What Is Really Going On In Ukraine

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By Walid Shoebat

The world is deeply concerned by reports of military movements taken by the Russian Federation inside Ukraine. So what is this all about and what does it mean to our projection in the region. The nations of Belarus and Ukraine, home to large Russian populations, have entered into negotiations with the European Commission, setting out benchmarks for reform in preparation for eventual accession to the union. [1]

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There is a cleavage among the political elites of Ukraine. Yanukovych, the current president and his government are based in the East of the country, where the big but economically obsolete factories and mining areas are. People in this area generally speak Russian, not Ukrainian (Yanukovych himself only learned Ukrainian as an adult, for career reasons).

The business class in these areas is oriented to Russia and politicians like Yanukovych see the Ukrainian-Russian relationship as vital. In the West, where people speak Ukrainian, elites are much more oriented towards the EU.

Man splits picture of Yanukovych

Man splits picture of Yanukovych

They hope for investment opportunities and business ties. The Ukrainian state balances between these twee oprions, with the current regime generally leaning more to Russia, but not entirely closing off the road to Brussels. [2] There was a trade deal being prepared between Ukraine and the EU. At the last moment, Yanukovych rejected the bill mainly because of trade liberalization and making Ukrainian law conform to EU regulations.

Pro-EU wing of the ruling class succeeds in raising an impressive stage army of protesters, a large part is inspired by the Occupy movement and the other by traditionalists. These see themselves as Europeans. Then you have nationalists like Oleh Tyahnbok, an anti-Semite, which is a tradition that is not exactly dead in Ukraine. These are anti-Russia. Russia has been the imperial overlord of Ukraine, both under the Czar and in the time of the Soviet Union.

So it’s a geopolitical rivalry between the European Union and Russia, which has been mapped out with what is seen as Ukraine’s decision to turn its back on Europe.

Russia’s President Putin has never given up on the idea of a Russian-led and dominated political and economic union as a counterbalance to Nato and the EU. [3] With its historical, cultural and political and economic ties with Russia, it is the biggest prize in a competition for geopolitical power between Russia and the EU.

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Putin started a parallel and competing strategic initiative with the Eurasian Customs Union (ECU) in October 2007 aiming for a ‘fully-fledged union’ similar to the EU as a global pole of power. Russia used similar pressure to force Armenia to give up negotiating with the EU.

There is a deep dividing line between the EU and Russia. Moscow has always seen the EU’s engagement in Eastern Europe as competitive interference. Dealing with Moscow has always been one of Europe’s most sensitive dilemmas.

The tsarist empire, the Soviet Union and Russia have all been both the enemy, and an ally to Europe. Europeans have fought with and against the Russians, just as they have done among themselves.

Many see Russia as a European country, which extends into Asia. [4] Europe has no choice, what is in the interest of most of Europe is to have Russia as a close ally who can help on key matters such as dealing with Syria and the security of their energy supplies – which is about one-third of Europe’s gas, oil and coal imports which come from Russia. Europe’s relationship with Russia is more important for the EU than their relationship with the Ukraine.

So what does the future hold? President Putin’s visit bolstered Armenia politically, economically and militarily, which is bad for Turkey. Armenia’s recent rise as a regional power has only been possible due to the near total control Moscow has had over Armenia’s energy and military sectors. Armenia in the future will be an asset to fight against Turkey when conflicts arise between Russia and Turkey.

Putin visiting the Armenian Genocide Memorial

Putin visiting the Armenian Genocide Memorial

The European Union is in shambles given the terrible economic problems of Southern Europe, so adding the weak Ukraine to the EU was preposterous, but making it in the Russian sphere of influence will prove an asset for Russia in the future.

As far as the future goes, many in the U.S. fear the Russian sphere of influence, especially that it strengthened Iran. The Prophecy arena is replete with a Russian Iranian alliance that is based on error. But what needs to be understood are the issues at hand; first, they were fighting Sunnis in the northern Caucasus and feared the strengthening of radical Sunnis anywhere, but particularly in the larger Sunni-dominated republics in Russia. [5]

Second, an Iranian sphere of influence would threaten Saudi Arabia and would compel the United States to re-engage in the region to protect Saudi Arabia and by that will also be inclined to defend Israel. After all, the Americans remain obsessed with the Islamic world.

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Russia is creating a strategic crisis for the United States who fears Iran more than the Russians who are buffered from Iran by the Sunni Caucasus states. The Russians do not really have an interest to attack Israel as many in the Prophecy mania proclaim. No serious analyst would see any reason for Russia to invade Israel, and neither does Russia want the Iranians to gain nuclear weapons. What they do want is an extended conflict in Iraq, extended tension between Iran and the United States, and they wouldn’t much mind if the United States went to war with Iran as well. [6]

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Turkey and Iran have a common interest in preventing an independent Kurdish nation. The more the United States supports the Iraqi Kurds there will be a greater danger of an Iranian-Turkish alliance which is what we project will happen.

Turkey has a vested interest in being viewed as the stabilizing agent in the region and no longer regards the United States as a stabilizing force, and it sees Europe as a collective entity and individual nations as both hostile and impotent.

It views the Russians as a long-term threat to its interests and sees Russia’s potential return to Turkey’s frontier as a long-term challenge. [7] Considering the future of the region, the only power in a position to assert its consistent presence is as we have been saying for two decades is Islamist Turkey. [8]

Protests in Ukraine

Turkey is ready to revisit its relations with Iran. Turkish experts believe that competition with Iran for regional dominance is futile. They argue that leaderships of both nations have come to realize that striving to secure an undisputed leadership in the Middle East was pointless. [9]

Iran’s ambitions in the region will then succumb to Turkish dominance. The primary reason being that the Sunni-Shia strife in the region would eventually acquire a content conforming to the geopolitical interests of the U.S. and despite Ankara’s insistence and is why Washington refrained from resorting to plans of total regime dismantling in Syria. [10]

Most do not understand U.S. policy in the region and why the U.S. Administration are behind the Sunni-Shia divide. The U.S. needed a region equally treacherous both for Turkey and Iran. Current balance of forces between extremist religious groups prevents Turkey and Iran to feel comfortable, whereas Washington reaps geopolitical dividends from the situation. [11]

The only problem with this policy is that it undermines the situation for the Christians in the region, who are becoming highly persecuted. Such persecution will extend to the future in which the entire Christian population in the Middle East will have to flee or be slaughtered. To Christians, this issue should be the highest priority. Please help us rescue Christians.

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  • Herein is the driving force for the eventual establishment of the Islamic Caliphate; the alliance between Turkey and Iran. Turkey has been positioning itself to revive Islamic control as in the days of the Ottoman Empire while Iran is prepared to play a role in what Shia believe to be the catalyst to set the stage for the appearance of their global leader, al Mahdi, even if through global chaos, as publicly proclaimed by former Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. In a 2012 speech to the United Nations, Ahmadinejad stated, in part:

    “God Almighty has promised us a man of kindness, a man who loves people and loves absolute justice, a man who is a perfect human being and is named Imam Al-Mahdi, a man who will come in the company of Jesus Christ, peace be upon Him, and the righteous,” he said. Calling the Mahdi “the Ultimate Savior,” Ahmadinejad said his arrival on earth “will mark a new beginning, a rebirth and a resurrection. It will be the beginning of peace, lasting security and genuine life.”

    Are we seeing the days of unfolding Biblical prophecy wherein the One World Government/One World Religion is ready to be established and actually be the rule of antichrist and the false prophet? Seems so.

    • Miracle ✡

      The antichrist is already here, it is Islam, and their god, who is Satan. And the false prophet who is Muhammed.

      • Hi Miracle, Yes, according to the Holy Bible, the “spirit of antichrist” has already been here since the days of the first-century apostles, ref. 1 John 4:3. – However, the prophesied one-world government / one-world religion system needs to develop yet which will reveal the antichrist, the “son of perdition” who will be accompanied by his side-kick, the false prophet, referenced in the Book of Revelation, Ch. 13.
        When you see the Jewish Third Temple being built as a result of a “false peace accord” is when the NWO leading up to the days of tribulation that Jesus warned of will be underway. ref Matthew Chapter 24. You may be interested to know that there are Orthodox groups in Israel who already have Temple artifacts readied along with the architectural plans for constructing the Third Temple. This can only be accomplished through a temporary (false) peace accord. Known in Islam as a Hudna.

        • Robert Jaspers

          I agree.

        • The prince that is to come the one that will strike a deal with Israel will be the leader of the UN…That is the only person that could garnish the respect and have a world following on his actions…

          • You are aware, aren’t you, of the ultimate goals of Bill and Hillary Clinton? Bill has stated that he would like to be the head of the United Nations and Hillary’s sight is on becoming the head of the World Bank! However, it isn’t too far fetched that the antichrist could be the leader of the UN of which by the way most of the member nations are Islamic. Remember also that Biblical prophecy indicates that antichrist will have a co-hort in the person of a “false prophet”. This sure plays right in to the Islamic scenario of their awaited “al Mahdi and prophet Isa’ (Jesus) who are to be the ones that bring “peace and safety” to the world through the teachings of the Qur’an – according to Islamic theology.

          • Mike thank you kindly for responding to my response in a kind way unlike some others on this blog…Anyway I was not aware that it was the Clintons ultimate goal…However with that said I believe it will be a very moderate Muslim that becomes the head of the UN that appeases both sides…Not Bill Clinton but time will most certainly tell…Many believe as do I that the Antichrist will come out of Turkey…why you might be thinking? Because it was that legion of soldiers that destroyed the Temple in 70 CE…Yes back then Turkey was under Roman control so they share a checkered history with the Jews…
            Now to expand further on Mystery Babylon the city that rules the nations it is very difficult to know for sure however one candidate is the city of Dubai UAE…It’s fits perfectly with Revelation 18 as they import everything…And they also have offered to have the United Nations relocate there as the citizens of New York do not care to have the UN there…

          • I totally agree, albeit, that Turkey will be playing a significant role in the unfolding of end-time prophecy just as Walid and you have explained. A while back, Walid had a segment that featured a Turkish author/television personality by the name of Adnan Oktar. Mr. Oktar claims that the al Mahdi is present and living in Turkey. Just awaiting the time to reveal himself. Many Jewish rabbis have personally visited with Mr. Oktar over the years to discuss the theological comparisons between al Mahdi and their own awaited “Moshiach” of the Jews. Some of the rabbis even appear to be accepting that this will be the “interfaith” solution that will finally bring the peace settlement to the Middle East. Google Adnan Oktar and I am sure you will read many interesting things that he is doing to influence the Islamic agenda and help Turkey take the “moderate lead” in uniting the Islamic world – as in the days of the Ottoman Empire. Something is happening behind the scenes while the world’s attention is being diverted with other problems.

          • Avram Cohen

            As the days of the Ottoman Empire that exterminated 1.5 million of the first Christian nation the Armenians, along with a million Assyrians and Greeks.. I wonder why God allowed such a brutal cleansing of some of the first Christians on the planet and I wonder what it’s relates to with the end times??!

          • Greetings Avram. Good question, however, please remember that God and mankind has an enemy who is intent on wiping out God’s people wherever they are. Remember the plea, “Let My People Go” ? The point is that God has warned that His Children would endure persecutions and be hated without a cause. Yes, also, at times God allowed the enemies to vanquish the Children of God when they turned away from Him and went about their own ways. When they repented and turned back in prayer God would heal their land as He promised. The early first-century Christians were persecuted by the Orthodox likes of Saul of Tarsus, who later converted to become a follower of Jesus when he “saw the Light”. Paul became one of the most effective evangelical converts to Christianity and we find his inspirational teaching letters in the New Testament. Also, as you may already know, the end times has already been prophesied of what will happen when the satanic rule of antichrist is allowed to reign for the allotted period. The brutal cleansing of Christians during the reign of antichrist are those who are referenced in Revelation 7:14.

            Another thought is where Jesus stated in John 16:1-3: “All this I have told you so that you will not fall away. They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God. They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me.”
            Sounds like the present day. Muslims believing that they are doing a service to their god when they destroy churches and persecute and kill Jews and Christians. It has been prophesied that this would happen.

    • Robert Jaspers

      Possibly, it seems so, but when Jesus returns He will not be sharing His glory or anything else with anyone, much less someone named Imam Al-Mahdi.

      • Agreed. When the True New Testament Jesus appears, He will be chaining up Imam al Mahdi as stated in Revelation 20:1-3 and so much for the counterfeit Jesus “prophet Isa” who was al Mahdi’s side-kick. 🙂

    • Wayne

      Im wondering here……did Shoebat delete my post that I replied with to your comment? It basically asked you if you were new around here. The reason I asked is because Walid likes to smear Rosenberg and completely discredit anything he says simply because Rosenberg doesnt fall in line with Walid’s view about Russia and the likes…. About right he would delete it though. You can find the artice yourself if you havent seen it.

      Its titled:
      “Joel Rosenberg Targets Russia based on Fictional, Biblical Interpretation”

      • Hi Wayne. Actually, I can respect various authors but yet find some areas where I question or disagree with some of their thinking. Most Christians in the West have been taught to believe that Russia would be the end-times culprit of world domination. Yet, after reading the Qur’an and various Ahadith, I tend to go with Walid’s personal experience and explanation of there being a revived Ottoman Empire and that it will be Turkey that plays a big part in bringing about the end-times scenario. I began to see this back in 2001 when I undertook an intense research into the Islamic theology and long before I had started reading Walid’s info. I tried telling others that it really appears that Islam would be the one-world religion of the antichrist and just got scoffed at. 🙁

        • Wayne

          I had little doubt that you were in agreement with Walid’s views, I simply thought it ironic that you posted something in reference to Rosenberg, given Walid’s latest smear campaign of anyone that doesn’t fall into line with his thinking (Rosenberg). I’ve disagreed with the Islamic Caliphate view for some time (though I initially was in agreement with it) but I still supported Walid’s ministry and visited this website regularly, as well as listened with an open mind to what Walid had to say. I respected him and still do consider him a brother in Christ. However, with the increased animosity for anyone holding a different view on the Islamic Caliphate (among other things), Mr. Shoebat is alienating more than he realizes. Above all, Walid of all people should be extra sensitive to what its like to be smeared because we all know he has. I whole heartedly disagree with delegitimizing Christian authors (and scholars) simply because they hold a different view on a prophetic people’s/event. Its not like the issue here is core Christian beliefs. Although its being thrust in that direction very quickly, with the increasing apologetics for the RCC on this site.

          • Yes, I understand your point, Wayne, but to be honest I would tend to say that it is more “frustration” expressed by Walid’s response to authors who hold a differing view about the Caliphate and who just “don’t get it” through the explanations he provides.
            Plus, some of the Western Christian authors will still continue to have a differing view about Islam and end-times scenarios. Right now, there are several “Christian” churches/denominations that are aligning themselves with Islam in the Interfaith Dialogue Conferences believing that we can all solve the problem through mutual understanding and tolerance of one another’s faith. Some even believe and teach that the Islamic god, Al’lah, is the same God of the Judeo-Christian faith. Here is where the RCC claims the same thing through Catechism 841 that Muslims worship and adore the same God as the Catholics.
            The Shoebat organization has had its fair share of questioning the RCC as well.

          • Robert Jaspers

            It is quite possible that some muslims do believe we worship the same God, due to the lineage of man back to Abraham. The problem with that theory in general now is the fact that this perception has been totally corrupted by Muhammad’s interpretation of Islam by his writing the so-called hate-filled holy Quran, and attributing it to our Holy Creator, when obviously that writing is the work of Satan.

          • Wayne

            Some quotes from an article on this site about two weeks ago:

            ////”I don’t know Rosenberg’s heart but his view of Russia and end times (and herein today’s time) is irrational at best and, at worst, appears to involve Mt. 6:24 and God’s warning”

            “Ranting against Russia is the norm in the West. It is just disappointing that Christian writers continue to carry it out at any contrived opportunity and, that it supports their carefully nurtured marketing to Christian consumers.”

            “So what beside mammon would cause Rosenberg to oppose Russia and demean Putin over the Sochi Olympics? I leave the answer to you.”

            “The more capitalistic and successful writers seem to have been unable to admit any error. I believe Rosenberg clearly falls into this grouping. An example of Rosenberg’s error is his obstinate holding to Gog/Magog as Russia, and an obvious disdain for Russia because of this. This conveniently fits the long propagandizing of Americans against anything Russia, which also creates a large money market for writers to work on.”////

            This is more than mere frustration. What’s happening here is that they are accusing Rosenberg (among others) of only holding the view they do simply because they want to sell books. Shoebat even had the audacity to say that Arnold Fruchtenbaum and Jacob Prasch are not even scholars! The fact is that Shoebat and his crew attempt to discredit ANYONE who doesn’t fall in line with their view, yet Shoebat calls everyone else a heretic. He’s got it backwards!

            I most certainly agree that many liberal “Christians” will not admit the truth about Islam. I understand that there is all this despicable interfaith dialogue going on. I get that. But thats irrelevant to the issue of Shoebat discrediting anyone and everyone that disagree’s with his particular views, and Rosenberg is a prime example. And you are exactly right in what you say about the RCC and their claim that Islam worships the same God. As for Shoebat “questioning the RCC”, its few and far between. In most instances, he not only defends them along with their erroneous doctrines, but also advocates the idea of a Church State, where Putin and Russia align with the Catholic Church. I believe the words were: “Putin: The New Constantine”.

            Anyway, I like you. You seem like a good guy. I disagree with the Islamic Caliphate, but thats okay.

          • Thanks for your views, Wayne, and I do recall reading that same article. Okay, so, Walid was more than frustrated with Joel Rosenberg; he was VERY frustrated! lol The other authors that you mentioned, again, Walid is speaking his mind. I have met Arnold Fruchtenbaum and attended a teaching about the end-times Temple that the Orthodox Jews plan to build. Scholar or no, Arnold knows his subject in that area.
            Regarding the RCC, I actually see the new pope leading the masses (no pun intended) toward an interfaith alliance with a Turkish-led formation of a “moderate Islam” which is intended to unite Muslims, Jews and Christians in a tolerant relationship. Perhaps then a “red flag” will be noticed by those in the RCC who will then have to decide whether to follow papal authority or follow the Biblical Authority of placing faith solely in the teachings of the New Testament Jesus Christ. As it is now, anyone who disagrees with papal authority and does not accept the RCC Catechism is considered “anathema” by the church. Thus, Catechism 841 should be a deciding factor for those considering whether that teaching is “infallible”.
            As far as the Caliphate, well, here again we can both agree to disagree and still remain friends throughout our discussions when posting our view points. 🙂 Have a good week, Wayne, and thanks for your comments and extended friendship. I, too extend friendship to you and look forward to reading more of your posts.

          • Wayne

            Well said. I too believe Islam will be involved with the harlot religion, as well as bits and pieces from other religions, such as Christianity and Judaism. I definitely believe it will involve a mixture that’s intended to “unite”, like you said. However, I see a definite change at the mid-point of the 70th Week. In my opinion, much discussion on this topic remains to be had by different sides. I don’t think Walid or Fruchtenbaum or Rosenberg or Richardson or anyone else has it all figured out by any means. And that’s exactly why I don’t like the animosity towards the genuine men of God who have good points to make for either case. We all need to be a bit more open minded in this area (INCLUDIN ME). There are definitely points where we should draw the line! But belittling each other because we either do/do not hold the Islamic Caliphate view needs to stop. We will get much further if each side will hear each other out a little more. I wont spend a great deal of time debating with avid defenders of Catholicism and the likes, but when it comes to areas such as the one we are discussing, being closed minded isn’t going to get us anywhere. And thank you too Mike. I look forward to the discussions as well.

          • Steve Smith

            Wayne… Putin is a Orthodox Christian, Russia is Orthodox……. we have nothing to do with the RCC. The Orthodox Church teaching is called symphonia were church and state worked together for the greater good, it worked for the Orthodox Byzantine Empire for over a thousand years

  • Listen up people….Many of you are wondering when will the tribulation begin? I have discovered some bible clues which are reflective of God’s numerical nature and also co-inside perfectly with the Hebrew calendar…
    The predictions in the past have all been wrong as you all know because you must take the Hebrew calendar into consideration if you are ever going to get the beginning of the Millennium correct…Now most everyone out there believes that the 1000 year Millennium is an actual 1000 years…This is a flawed theory as I will explain..There is a verse in Psalm 90:4 that says: A thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night and also 2 Peter 3:8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day….So what does this mean? It means that the Millennium will be a day long but not a 24 hour day as you may suspect…Instead it will be a creation day long which is 70,000 days. Yes each creation day was 70,000 days long however they were not 24 hour days but instead 35/36 of a 24 hour day…So you might be thinking how do I know this??? Look in Acts 27 to where Paul and others were swimming to the island of Malta…How many were there??? There were 276 men. This chapter is symbolic of the number of days from when God said Let there be light to when he says I am the beginning and the end in Revelation 22…In other words the entire time frame is 2,760,000 days which represents all of creation…It also represents man and God’s temple which is the earth…6 times 46=276..However they are not 24 hour days but instead 35/36 of a day…So you need to convert…It works out perfectly…The Hebrew calendar did not begin when Adam was created but began instead when God left the Garden of Eden during the time of Enosh…to be exact it began 91,667 days after the creation of Adam…Therefore the Millennium of 70,000 days will begin in the year 2047 with the tribulation week beginning seven years earlier…This takes you to the year of 2240 or year 6000 in the Hebrew calendar…The readers of this website are the first to know of how I unlocked God’s amazing and perfect numerical nature…This has always been a mystery for all bible enthusiast until now…I have spent from start to finish about 6 or 7 years trying to figure this mystery out and was elated beyond my wildest dreams when it all came together perfectly…Part of the mystery was figuring out the exact number of days that Christ spent on earth because I knew in my heart that it had to center around that…He spent exactly 14,700 twelve hour days from conception to death on the cross..This cannot be debunked because time wise it works out absolutely perfect…The wise will know when the end is near. If I may say so I believe I belong to that group of people…Have a great Saturday Sabbath

    • darkknight91

      ~~~buuurp~~~

      • Now I know why you call yourself darkknight….You need to get right with Yashua while there is still time….So do you have questions about my theory or do accept it as biblical fact???

        • darkknight91

          Just another ‘know it all date setter’. It’s ‘Yeshua’ and I call him Jesus, because I’m English. Have fun with your Hebrew Roots formula.

          • There once was a shepherd boy who was bored as he sat on the hillside watching the village sheep. To amuse himself he took a great breath and sang out, “Wolf! Wolf! The Wolf is chasing the sheep!”
            The villagers came running up the hill to help the boy drive the wolf away. But when they arrived at the top of the hill, they found no wolf. The boy laughed at the sight of their angry faces.
            “Don’t cry ‘wolf’, shepherd boy,” said the villagers, “when there’s no wolf!” They went grumbling back down the hill.
            Later, the boy sang out again, “Wolf! Wolf! The wolf is chasing the sheep!” To his naughty delight, he watched the villagers run up the hill to help him drive the wolf away.
            When the villagers saw no wolf they sternly said, “Save your frightened song for when there is really something wrong! Don’t cry ‘wolf’ when there is NO wolf!”
            But the boy just grinned and watched them go grumbling down the hill once more.
            Later, he saw a REAL wolf prowling about his flock. Alarmed, he leaped to his feet and sang out as loudly as he could, “Wolf! Wolf!”
            But the villagers thought he was trying to fool them again, and so they didn’t come.
            At sunset, everyone wondered why the shepherd boy hadn’t returned to the village with their sheep. They went up the hill to find the boy. They found him weeping.
            “There really was a wolf here! The flock has scattered! I cried out, “Wolf!” Why didn’t you come?”
            An old man tried to comfort the boy as they walked back to the village.
            “We’ll help you look for the lost sheep in the morning,” he said, putting his arm around the youth, “Nobody believes a liar…even when he is telling the truth!”

            Moral of the story…Like I said in my first post…This is when the Milllenium will begin…I will not change the year as it all works out perfectly as is!!!

          • darkknight91

            ~~~belch~~~

          • Robert Jaspers

            More like a false prophet… as we were warned to avoid.

      • Schawminator

        You mean~~~~Brain Fart~~~~

    • Hi albeit. No problem with the thought that the end of days as we know them will culminate in the Hebrew year 6000. Makes sense. (some Orthodox Jews have believed that all along) However, when referencing the Millennial Reign of Christ, the Biblical interpretation is that it will be an actual and literal reign of Yeshua upon this earth after He defeats antichrist (Satan) and binds him for the 1000 year period. It is that period of God’s Peace on earth that Orthodox Jews have awaited; (appearance of Moshiach ben David) when the wolf and the lamb all get along, swords are turned to plowshares and everyone doesn’t need to ask each other if they know who the Lord is because all will know him and the people will come to worship in Jerusalem. Then, after the 1000 year reign, Satan will be loosed again and be allowed to wreak havoc for a short period. Then comes the Final Battle where Yeshua’s Victory will wipe out evil once and for all, then the Great White Throne Judgment. The scenario has already been set forth in the prophecies of the Holy Bible. Our scenario is to be ready in the here and now by getting our lives right with God through our High Priest and Mediator Yeshua HaMashiach (The New Testament Jesus).

      • darkknight91

        Correction, it’s the lion and lamb, not wolf. If the Orthodox Jews want to be there, they better start looking into who their messiah is. They missed him the first time. And I’m not referring to these phony Hebrew Roots Gentiles pretending to be Jews.

        • Yeah, that’s what I had also been taught before. 🙂 But here is what the Holy Bible states:

          Isaiah 11:6: The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

          Isaiah 65:25: The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent’s meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

          • darkknight91

            You’re right. I was speaking of Jesus being the lamb and lion and thought that’s what you were referring to. My mistake.

          • No problem – but you are right also: Jesus is the Lamb of God and the Lion of Judah. 🙂

          • Good point Mike…Also from conception to a normal birth of a lamb takes exactly 147 days…A lion takes 110 days…My point is this…Jacob or Israel lived 147 years…Joseph lived 110 years…Joseph begot Ephaim and Manessah

          • Mike and notice as well in the following chapter it talks about “in that day.” What day do you think they are referring to??? There are many verses in the book of Isaiah and elsewhere that talk about “in that day”

      • I guess I should expand on a few additional details…An actual creation day took 68,055.55 twenty four hour periods or 70,000 twenty three hours and twenty minute periods. Read the following in Isaiah
        Isaiah 38:8 8 “Behold, I will bring the shadow on the sundial, which has gone down with the sun on the sundial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward.” So the sun returned ten degrees on the dial by which it had gone down.
        I like to call this a God day or spiritual day…don’t know for sure but it is in a parallel dimension of time different from a 24 hour day. Look there will be a little less than 1945 days after the Millennium remaining. Totaling 70,000 (24) hour periods. During that time you have the 1335 days of Daniel 12 and the judgment and the new earth and the new heaven encompassed with the 1945 day period. Broken down I believe it will transpire as follows. 1335 days of Daniel 12 then 600 days of the final second Judgment and then 10 days for the New heaven and new earth totaling 1945 days. Yes I believe the 1290 and 1335 days of Daniel 12 will occur after the Millennium…

        • Hmmm…Genesis records each complete day to include a period from evening through to morning. 🙂

          Genesis 1:5 – And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.
          Genesis 1:8 – And there was evening, and there was morning, a second day.
          Genesis 1:13 – And there was evening and there was morning, a third day.
          Genesis 1:19 – And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.
          Genesis 1:23 – And there was evening, and there was morning, a fifth day.
          Genesis 1:31 – And there was evening, and there was morning, a sixth day.

          Genesis 2:1-3 – And heaven and earth and all their array were finished. And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done. And God blessed the seventh day, and he sanctified it, because on it he rested from all his work of creating that there was to do.

          • True…I see you take the bible literally…The evening represents the completion of the day and the morning represents the completion of the night…This is where many Sabbath keepers get it wrong…The Saturday Sabbath begins in the morning and ends in the evening…There are hundreds of verses in the bible which solidify this notion..The break of day always represents the morning…As far as each creation day being a 24 hour period is incorrect…Let me explain… Genesis 1:11-13 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day. I chose this one because it better proves my point however any day of creation could be used. During each day God used the word “LET.” Now it took longer for the plants to grow and multiply than just a 24 hour period…It took years…Many years or more exactly 200 (350 day) periods before man was allowed to live on the earth to utilize what God had produced. In other words the environmental conditions for plant growth were considerably more productive before the flood so they reproduce at a greater rate hence the 70,000 days…this has been scientifically proven

          • Good points, albeit, however, how long did it take for light to appear when God said “Let there be light” (Gen. 1:3) ?
            Or in the case of Jesus’ healing, just by speaking The Word – it was so; it was done. Yes, in our mindset of human understanding things will and do take a chronological period to come to fruition. We cannot comprehend how it could be any other way. However, in the case of God’s Supreme and Omnipotent power, I would believe that things can happen “in an instant” as He so wills and speaks it into existence. Especially “In The Beginning”. But, then again, that is my belief in God’s ability and why I take the Creation Days as literal days. Also, the Jewish Sabbath (Shabbat) begins Friday evening and ends Saturday evening. 🙂

          • Yes the Jewish Sabbath does begin Friday evening but that is adding to the Word of God…It is not neccessary nor is it a violation in God’s eyes to observe the Sabbath from sunrise to sunset on Saturday…The Jews have got it wrong…partially…..
            Anyway while it is true He could have created everything in 7 days the fact is he did not…The key to understanding this is he used the word “LET.” The fact that Jesus healed many in a short period of time is not a violation of God’s perfect numerical nature….He did not say the word “LET” in any of those healing miracles…
            Read all of my other posts on this blog site then you may fully understand what I am talking about…Thank you for your input…..

          • Okay, but I still accept the Biblical info about the six literal days of Creation. 🙂 However, since you believe the theory of evolution, that man would not have been created by God on the literal sixth day as recorded in Genesis 1:26-29, at what point in the “evolutionary process” do you think God “breathed life” into mankind that made him (man) a living soul as recorded in Genesis 2:7-8?

          • I do not believe the theory of evolution as you have stated…I don’t know where you got that idea from…The earth was God’s temple when he created it…There are bible verses that state that…The dots or pieces of the puzzle are in the bible but you need to have insight and perception to put them together in order to fully understand what I am telling you…Now in 2 Chronicles 2 Solomon had 70,000 carriers, 80,000 stonecutters and 3600 foreman to build God’s Temple…The 70,000 represents the numbers of days per day of creation The 80,000 represents the Sabbath day of rest totaling 500,000 days overall…It is all symbolic…And of course the 3600 foreman is symbolic of the length of year of 360 days…
            So if this theory is incorrect then tell me with your infinite wisdom on what day after the creation of Adam did God leave the Garden of Eden and the Hebrew calendar begin??? And what does it mean when during the time of Enosh they began calling on the name of the Lord in Genesis 4:26… And in Leviticus 25:10 in the 50th year we read: “You are to consecrate the fiftieth year and proclaim freedom in the land for all its inhabitants. It will be your Jubilee, when each of you is to return to his property and each of you to his clan.”
            The 500,000 day after God said “Let there be Light” is symbolic of returning back to his own property which is heaven…
            My theory makes perfect sense and so does my timeline…

          • Hi albeit. This is in response to where you wrote, “I do not believe the theory of evolution as you have stated…I don’t know where you got that idea from…”

            Okay, my friend, but here is where I got the idea that you were tending to lean toward “evolution”. It’s from one of your previous posts where you stated, “I guess I should expand on a few additional details…An actual creation day took 68,055.55 twenty four hour periods or 70,000 twenty three hours and twenty minute periods.”

            Now, in order to follow the timeline that you posit and apply it to the sixth day of Creation, then it took God 68,055.55 twenty-four hour periods to form Adam from the dust, breathe life into him and make him a living soul. To me, that would appear a type of “evolutionary process”. That’s where I got the idea that you had a leaning toward evolution. 🙂

          • Mike…I do not know when during the 70,000 days of the 6th day of creation man or Adam was fully created…that is an area I do not consider all that important however there is a verse don’t know exactly where to where man or Adam did not begin living on the earth until creation was complete…So to answer your question I suppose it was the very last day and not on day 35,000 or whatever…One theory is a normal birth today takes 280 days so go figure or in the case of Jesus 276 (12) hours days…Look up Acts 27

          • Correct. Man was indeed the “last phase” of God’s Creation after everything else was complete. The verses mentioning this: Genesis 1:26-31.
            The situation, though, is that according to the Biblical explanation, neither Adam nor Eve were conceived through “normal birth” as we know it. Rather, God personally formed Adam from the dust and Eve was developed from Adam. Again, not normal gestation period of childbirth as we know it. 🙂

          • Mike…we are created from the dust of the earth if you really think about it…In fact every living earthly creature is!!!
            Genesis 3:19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground,
            since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return.”

          • Amen! Have a good week, albeit! 🙂

      • donethattoo

        Mike, I just wanted to thank you for the spirit for kindness that you bring to every discussion. It is very much appreciated by this reader! 🙂

        • Thank you very much, donethattoo. I guess it’s only basic human nature for people to get a bit offended and confrontational in forum discussions. Then, pretty soon all sorts of insults and “*#!%*&” start flying back and forth at each other. lol
          With that in mind, one of the Christian teachings that really helps put me in my place and brings things into perspective for me is found in 2 Timothy 2:24-26. Thanks again for your comments. 🙂

  • Al Hart

    Every “birth pain” to a mother will feel like “this is the time “…anticipation ways heavy on her…same in prophecy..every event has the “prophecy contemplatives on edge”…albeit…it is good to seek,but keep in mind that much is still kept from us until the appointed time.See Daniel, John, etc… “wisdom” says “observe and anticipate but reserved dogma for a later time…’you criticize past teachers who as you are now doing..viewed” a new insight in G-d’s word” that gave you a” NEW UNDERSTANDING”…beware….beware…as in setting times and dates of Jesus’s return also setting out a dogmatic time table for events is proclaiming things not yet given to us..I say this in reference to actual events and what they mean..we may “know the signs of the times” but to point out a small group of “paint strokes” do not reveal the whole picture…..only G-d can do that. Seek..I commend you for that, contemplate…I contend you on that…but walk gently on dogma! Humility is the best guard against dogma…Your “New insight” has been around for a long time..at least 30 years I know of…..remember we see clearer as the fog dissipates …we have more fog to let withdraw…stay in there though and study!.

    • I guess I need to explain every little tidbit before all of you finally “GET IT.”

      In “Genesis 6:3 we read: And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.”
      What this verse is saying is that God has planned for mankind 120 (50) year Jubilees. He is counting the 50th year of each Jubilee period. Hence the 6000 year period. This is when the Hebrew calendar began. The overall number of days from the creation of Adam to the end of the Millennium is 2,275,000 days or 6500 (350) day periods. To put it another way it is 3 times 2100 times 350 days leading up to the Millennium with 200 (350) days reserved for the Millennium which is a creation day long. So in order to know when the Hebrew calendar began one must subtract the creation days from day 500,000 after God said “Let there be light.” This is when God left the Garden of Eden and returned back to his own property (heaven) which is 91,667 days after he created Adam. This is also when the Hebrew calendar started. Now subtract 91,667 from 2,275,000 and you have 2,183,333 days. This leads up to year 6000 in the Hebrew calendar…Divide 6000 into it and you have an average of 363.88 days per year…This is the yearly average up to the end of the Millennium…This includes 1400 years of 360 day periods before the flood…..This mystery once and for all has been solved…Any questions???

      • Al Hart

        TALKING DOWN ON PEOPLE WILL NEVER GIVE YOU THE AUDIENCE YOU WANT….NOR DOES IT GIVE YOUR COMMENT THE STATUS OF SCRIPTURE…HAVE A GOOD DAY.EH!..

        • Fine…Most would not be affected by what I said…And the intelligent ones out there who can think for themselves would not have me explain every little tidbit of information to get the pieces to fit together….They would take it upon themselves to figure the rest out …Do you have an education???…Sir…
          You are a tad bit sensitive EH!!

      • Robert Jaspers

        No, albeit, what you need to do is become quite a bit more humble, and quit trying to appear to be something you are not, and that is a prophet of the end times. Jesus said even He doesn’t know the day of our Father’s coming; how dare you assume you are knowledgeable about a thing you know nothing about. Your supposed math skills are useless and pointless. I suggest instead, YOU get yourself right with your Creator.

        • All of it is based on God’s Word…May I suggest that with your negative attitude toward others that you by all indications do not have the love of the truth written in your heart…
          The verse that you are referring to is the pretribulation rapture or the 6th seal…That is completely separate from what I have stated in these posts…It is you not me that truly does not have a clue about what I am talking about!!! The bible clearly states that you need insight and perception to fully understand God’s Word…You sir have neither!!!

          • Robert Jaspers

            Sir, you may suggest whatever you like, and you are free to ignore my suggestions to you, but don’t try to change the subject by attributing my comments to you as a negative attitude, while ignoring the FACT that you and no one else will EVER know when Our Savior will return until the day it happens, and your claiming to have knowledge of it when you clearly by God’s Word states you will not, have not, and do not.

          • Mr. Jaspers…you clearly do nothing to contribute to the advancement of learning about the topic at hand except condemn and criticize what others have study and learned…You have no idea what the bible teaches or from what you can learn from it. All truth and all understanding is in the bible…Us humans find it fascinating when we uncover just tiny fragments of God’s pure truth…the bible clearly states that it is possible to know all truth by reading and understanding scripture which includes the time of the Millennium and Daniels 70th week… I do not know the day or hour but I do believe you can know the year or very close to it by what I have stated here…If you whish to continue to disbelieve and criticize go ahead and I will also have you know that I take my studies very seriously and would not say these things without due diligence in my research and be 100 percent confident on what I have stated here based on how I understand scripture…Maybe you should find another site to spew your hate speech!!!

          • Robert Jaspers

            Whatever… In my eyes you are nothing more than a false prophet. Jesus, and others warned us about people like you. I have nothing else to say about it, or you.

          • Go ahead and believe your own lies that you keep reminding yourself of…You will be caught completely off guard when that day approches…I do not say these things for my own benefit but only for the benefit of others and I do not consider myself a prophet as you have indicated. Only someone that understands scripture. I guess you seem to have issues with those of us that understand scripture better than you!!!

  • Steve Smith

    The Russian news channel RT has very good reporting about Ukraine.The NAZIS HAVE TAKEN OVER the new government and are asking help from Chechen terrorists against Russia. The western media is not reporting these ties…. Police ,Jews, Russians are being killed, houses burned by mobs during the night. Oh God help us.

    • Anthony Nolte

      You do realize that RT is Russian state-run programming right? Meaning it’s communist propaganda- and it isn’t ashamed to be so. Communists are anti-Christian too you know. That’s why they banned Evangelical Christianity in Russia. Don’t take sides with them just because they are the lesser of two evils. That’s not helping anyone long-term.

      • Steve Smith

        Anthony you are 25 years behind we have state- run TV here its called CNN, FOX. MSNBC. When Russians tell the truth you call it communist propaganda the last time I looked Russia is not communist. The head of the Communist Party publicly repented for its Militant Atheism and harm to the Church did you hear that in the US news I think not, it is the commies that are defending Orthodox Churches from Savoda and Right Party thugs oh these thugs kill Jews and Russians by the way. Evangelical Christians are not banned in Russia… we do not trust you, you come to us with smiles but have a knife behind your back, Evangelical Christianity hates Orthodox Christianity Russia has been Christian for over a thousand years… Evangelical Christianity sees us as IDOL WORSHIPERS Gog and Magog not as brother Christians.

        • Anthony Nolte

          First of all don’t stereotype me- Walid spoke at my church around 2007 and sparked my interest in all this. I believe gog and magog are turkey. The scythians are the caucasus emirate. And yes CNN, MSNBC are leftwing propaganda. Not to mention they have been declining in popularity in masse. I also agree that FOX has become leftwing, thanks to Rupert Murdoch. Now would you calm down, and show me where the communists denounced atheism? I’m not trying get mad but your response was a little bit “in your face” to someone you claim has a knife behind their back. Btw, Beslan broke my heart- so don’t say I hate Russian Christians.

          • Steve Smith

            “One of the principle mistakes of my predecessors was quarreling with the Russian Orthodox Church. This was categorically not a thing they should have done. They should have combined their efforts and moved forward,” Gennady Zyuganov told reporters between the sessions of the World Russian People’s Council – an international forum chaired by the head of the Russian Orthodox Church, Patriarch Kirill. Anthony I was not mad at you but most Evangelicals think we are weird and we worship idols. Evangelicals try to teach us that our Holy Ikons are Idols.

      • Avram Cohen

        Nothings worst then the Propaganda from western MSM, PERIOD!

  • Try this for size to change the calculus:

    Putin enters retirement, and we see the Royal Houses of Serbia, Greece, Romania, and Bulgaria assert themselves in getting behind the revived Byzantine Empire. Russia, Ukraine, Armenia, Moldova, Montenegro and Cyprus would be invited to join.

    That way, the status quo would be changed, and foreign policy would change.

  • WHILE WE SPLIT HAIRS WITH BIBLE PASSAGES. PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING.

    WELCOME HOME

    WHAT BOTHERS ME: is the communists in the our media telling the public that poor
    freedom seekers are Nazis and Mother Russia is a saint. Even Mike Savage the
    born again conservative is mocking the victims of Soviet Nazi oppression. A
    socialist is a socialist whether in Germany, Russia or the occupied USA. When I
    see the faces of people in those peaceful demonstrations. I see all ages from
    youth to senior citizens. These are not the stunt makers seeded in the crowd by
    KGB. This is not Occupy Wall street New York rich communists. This is a poor
    people yearning to be free. With a holocaust record of 10 million Ukranians
    starved to death by Communists and forced to eat their dead children for
    survival. Their treasury has been looted and they have been betrayed by their
    leaders who fled to Putin for protection. All Putin wants is the beach front and
    he will get it as Obama draws another line in his coloring book. Ukranians are
    between a rock and two more rocks. Yet they cry out poor and oppressed for
    freedom. They are truly God’s people.
    I hope they settle to live and fight when they are stronger. If the East wants Russia the west cannot win it. Do not waste one life fighting to get it back. Take what you can salvage and build a better nation. Develop what you can and grow. No one is going to help you. All the more reason to survive and feed each other. CHRISTUS VINCIT CHRISTUS REGNAT.
    http://WWW.SPIRITOFAMERICAPARTYRADIOSHOW.COM

    • vitaly

      Tom, I agree with you. I was quite perplexed when I heard Savage make a statement that this turmoil was started by Neo-Nazis and that Yanukovich was elected by the people. This is the biggest fallacy. I was raised in Ukraine, my parents still live there and I know fully well that there is no such a thing as a democratic election in Ukraine. Yanukovich spent a significant part of his life in jail for felonies. He is a felon. I am surprised that nobody mentions it in the media. These poor people in Ukraine just want to be free because they are fed up with his policies….

  • richinnameonly

    Pardon the stupid question, but might the Ukraine eventually split in two, with the eastern portion going to Russia and the west remaining independent and pro west/EU? It would seem that Russia may be able to pull that off without a large scale intervention by outside forces.

  • Avram Cohen

    Western Zionist Christians are the worst,, they don’t give a dam about their brothers in the middle east as long as they can hear themselves shouting long live Israel as Israel laughs with no loyalty to these playcaters! pure idiots!

  • Robert Jaspers

    Careful Kristie, he’s arrogant and gets real nasty if you cast doubt about his self-perceived knowledge. Apparently he thinks the end’s coming around 226 years from now. Personally, I hate to argue, and I’m not interested in then when, but more so that I’m ready if it comes in my lifetime.

  • Hi Kristie, please check an Orthodox Jewish reference regarding the Hebrew Calendar. Accordingly, the yearly dates in Judaism overlap the Gregorian Calendar somewhat. Ref. the Jewish calendar dates comprised from Rosh Hashanah, Sept. 4, 2013 to Rosh Hashanah, September 24, 2014 and this is the Jewish year 5774. Just an FYI. But, then again, there may be different calculations of Jewish Calendars! ??? 🙂

  • I am also Messiannic however not a Jew per se…The ten world Unions must be formed and are not only the European Union is but others are in the developing stages..I suppose there is one other slight possibility for the rapture and that is in the year 2027 however I am not big on that…Counting back from 2240 is 77,777.77 days or the Sabbath day which is 80,000 days…Anyway I will strongly suggest that your other believer is incorrect in his belief…read all of my posts here to have a full understanding of what i am talking about…

  • Steve Smith

    Here are the peaceful protesters…. notice the WOLFANGEL arm band of the SS

  • John1969

    Thank you for this insight Walid, this sheds a whole lot of light on Hr4152.