Christian Pastor, John Piper: I Would Not Have Killed Hitler, Because The Bible Says To Love Your Neighbor And “Thou Shalt Not Kill”

By Theodore Shoebat

Christian pastor, John Piper, said that he would not have killed Hitler because the Bible says to love your neighbor. I did an entire video on this:

Killing Hitler would not have been murder, and it would not be going against loving your neighbor, but instead, it would be a great illustration of loving your neighbor. To kill Hitler would have been to prevent the slaughter of your neighbor.

Moreover, it would not be evil or seditious to have killed Hitler. In the words of St. Thomas Aquinas:

Tyrannical is not just, because it is not directed to the common good but to the private good of the ruler, as the Philosopher shows at Politics III and Ethics VIII. Disruption of such a government therefore does not have the character of sedition, unless perhaps the tyrant’s rule is disrupted so inordinately that the community subject to it suffers greater detriment from the ensuing disorder than it did from the tyrannical government itself. Indeed it is the tyrant who is guilty of sedition, since he nourishes discord and sedition among his subjects in order to be able to dominate them more securely. For this is tyranny: a form of government directed to the private good of the ruler and the injury of the community. (Aquinas, Summa Theologiae, IIaIIae 42: On sedition, ad 3, trans. R.W. Dyson)

Now we must remember that there are actually assassinations against tyrants and evil people done in the Bible, and they are not condemned.

Israel was being tyrannized under the despot Eglon, the king of Moab:

And the children of Israel again did evil in the sight of the Lord. So the Lord strengthened Eglon king of Moab against Israel, because they had done evil in the sight of the Lord. Then he gathered to himself the people of Ammon and Amalek, went and defeated Israel, and took possession of the City of Palms. So the children of Israel served Eglon king of Moab eighteen years. (Judges 3:12-14)

The Hebrew Ehud, rises up and assassinates the tyrant:

So Ehud came to him (now he was sitting upstairs in his cool private chamber). Then Ehud said, “I have a message from God for you.” So he arose from his seat. Then Ehud reached with his left hand, took the dagger from his right thigh, and thrust it into his belly. Even the hilt went in after the blade, and the fat closed over the blade, for he did not draw the dagger out of his belly; and his entrails came out. Then Ehud went out through the porch and shut the doors of the upper room behind him and locked them.

When he had gone out, Eglon’s servants came to look, and to their surprise, the doors of the upper room were locked. So they said, “He is probably attending to his needs in the cool chamber.” So they waited till they were embarrassed, and still he had not opened the doors of the upper room. Therefore they took the key and opened them. And there was their master, fallen dead on the floor. (Juges 3:20-25)

Lets look at another story. Moses was living in Egypt when it was being ruled by a tyrant (like Hitler), and there was an Egyptian brutally beating a Hebrew. Did Moses sit there say, “I am going to love the Egyptian”? No, he killed the Egyptian:

Now it came to pass in those days, when Moses was grown, that he went out to his brethren and looked at their burdens. And he saw an Egyptian beating a Hebrew, one of his brethren. So he looked this way and that way, and when he saw no one, he killed the Egyptian and hid him in the sand. (Exodus 12:11-12)

When St. Stephen spoke of Moses’ killing of the Egyptian, did he say, “I am going to be slow to condemn Moses. I would not have killed the Egyptian because the Bible says thou shalt not kill”? No, St. Stephen honored Moses’ killing of the Egyptian:

And seeing one of them suffer wrong, he defended and avenged him who was oppressed, and struck down the Egyptian. 25 For he supposed that his brethren would have understood that God would deliver them by his hand, but they did not understand. (Acts 7:24-25)

How about another story of righteous men fighting defying tyranny and killing tyrants. Antiochus Epiphanies, a tyrant (like Hitler), was slaughtering the Hebrews in Israel, and when one of his generals tried to compel Mathathias, the father of Judas Maccabees, to sacrifice to false gods, did he sit there and say, “Well, the law says thou shalt not kill, so I won’t do anything”? No! He unsheathed his sword and killed not only the general, but the Jews who sacrificed:

And they that were sent from king Antiochus came thither, to compel them that were fled into the city of Modin, to sacrifice, and to burn incense, and to depart from the law of God.

And many of the people of Israel consented, and came to them: but Mathathias and his sons stood firm.

And they that were sent from Antiochus, answering, said to Mathathias: Thou art a ruler, and an honourable, and great man in this city, and adorned with sons, and brethren.

Therefore come thou first, and obey the king’s commandment, as all nations have done, and the men of Juda, and they that remain in Jerusalem: and thou, and thy sons, shall be in the number of the king’s friends, and enriched with gold, and silver, and many presents.

Then Mathathias answered, and said with a loud voice: Although all nations obey king Antiochus, so as to depart every man from the service of the law of his fathers, and consent to his commandments:

I and my sons, and my brethren will obey the law of our fathers.

God be merciful unto us: it is not profitable for us to forsake the law, and the justices of God:

We will not hearken to the words of king Antiochus, neither will we sacrifice, and transgress the commandments of our law, to go another way.

Now as he left off speaking these words, there came a certain Jew in the sight of all to sacrifice to the idols upon the altar in the city of Modin, according to the king’s commandment.

And Mathathias saw and was grieved, and his reins trembled, and his wrath was kindled according to the judgment of the law, and running upon him he slew him upon the altar:

Moreover the man whom king Antiochus had sent, who compelled them to sacrifice, he slew at the same time, and pulled down the altar.

And shewed zeal for the law, as Phinees did by Zamri the son of Salomi. (1 Maccabees 2:15-26)

It is quite disturbing to see how Christian leaders will take biblical verses to justify and vindicate passive indifference towards evil, as opposed to supporting defiance toward demonic tyrannies.

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  • billobillo54

    The fact is you are correct. And, the New Testament in Romans Chapter 13 speaks specifically regarding this. Government is to be righteous. Are we going to assert that government is not subject to the Law of God? Government is to protect the innocent. When government becomes abusive and evil it can and must be removed. Killing Hitler would be an act of righteousness. May God save us from the INSANE GOOFINESS AND HYPOCRICY OF THE DUMB CHRISTIANS WHO DON’T UNDERSTAND GOD’S WORD. Many of our brethren are the first to cry foul over the smallest of matters, yet assert that we cannot defend ourselves against torturing, raping murderers. I’m having difficulty in my Church trying to convince THE PASTOR AND LEADERS of the antichrist evil of Islam and the legitimate use of force by government to protect the innocent. All, I have learned from the New Testament. The irrationality and hypocrisy is due to our own relative safety. Paid for and bought in blood and death.

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  • susan

    Wow Theodore! I needed that fire! Thank you!!!

    • shoebat

      Here Susan, get more fire:

  • royal

    This is why I stoped going , havent gone for years….hypocrisy and not teaching , what needs to be taught..more interested in rasing money then in people, and feeding the poor..There are some that , Are serving God .Iam sure . It’s true the passive christain to preached..

    • shoebat

      Your better off listening to this:

      • royal

        Every day……when are you going to be back on…….. You were great ..

  • shoebat

    Its the signs of the times Tom, signs of the times. Actually Tom, if I may correct you, they are not “fools”, they are simply an evil bunch.

  • Joel Rivera

    Is this pastor for real? Hitler was consumed with pure demonic evil and beyond redemption. When it comes to the point where there’s no reasoning with evil people or appealing to what little humanity they have left, then they must be killed to prevent the mass muders of millions of innocents.

    • shoebat

      Here Joel, listen, this will heal your soul:

  • shoebat

    Here Tom, heal your soul:

  • shoebat

    Shedding Hitler’s blood for shedding the blood of millions would be perfect for this verse.

  • shoebat

    Get out of my soul. Get out the vermin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJcGWCIUf3M

  • shoebat

    Get that flag out, you should not carry it. Hitler killed million of Jews you filthy maggot. You use the Bible where it suits evil. If Hitler is your authority than you are evil. Take your Piper and stick him where the sun doesn’t shine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJcGWCIUf3M

  • richinnameonly

    Could John Piper and others be confusing Christianity with pacifism?

  • Arvis

    Christians are called ‘The Church Militant’ for a reason. One only has to look at the incredibly beautiful Russian Orthodox icon by the same name, ‘Ecclesia militans’. Michael Savage is right. The media is Satan’s mouthpiece. Thank you for posting his video clip, Walid. I needed a Handel rush today!

    • shoebat

      I have been repeating that clip all day long as I work. I am depressed at what I see all around.

      • Steve Smith

        Dear brother I can understand that, I had to stop looking at Russian news. I could not hear of all the mass graves and dead babies, people are being found with heads cut off in the Donbass.
        The contagion of Hitler never really left Europe, it was nurtured by OUN-UPA FIGHTERS and to the sons and grandsons. My Orthodox brothers in the Ukraine now think it is ok to ”Knife the Moscols” a nasty name for ethnic Russians.
        I lost countless family, to Communist and Nazis ideology.

  • shoebat

    El, why is everything simply just “wrong” or “right”, can it be at times “evil” or demonic”?

    Piper follows Calvin. Calvin said: “I concede more – that thieves and murderers, and other evil-doers, are instruments of divine providence, being employed by the Lord himself to execute the judgments which he has resolved to inflict. (1.17.5)

    Do you El, believe that murderers are employed by God?

    John Piper believes that Hitler killing 6 million Jews goes along this teaching since according to Calvin, it’s the will of God so why kill Hitler?

    According to Piper, God foreordains sin. He “ordains and governs” it.

    Calvin’s argument (again, Piper is Calvinist) that in the case of the rape of a single woman, the rapist should be compelled to marry his victim–particularly if the woman was a minor and her father consented.

    And if you think this is old think again, here is James White, another Calvinist, in a debate with Hank Hannegraaf and George Bryson, was asked, “When a child is raped, is God responsible and did He decree that rape?” To which Mr. White replied… “Yes, because if not then it’s meaningless
    and purposeless and though God knew it was going to happen he created it without a purpose… and God is responsible for the creation of despair… If He
    didn‟t [decree child rape] then that rape is an element of meaningless evil that has no purpose.”

    Calvinist Geneva permitted a single woman’s father to consent to her marriage to her rapist, after which the husband would have no right to divorce; the woman had no explicitly stated separate right to refuse.

    This means that she gets raped all her married life by her rapist husband.

    The teachings of Calvin’s pre-destination have little difference from Islam:

    “God Most High is the Creator of all actions of His creatures whether of unbelief or belief, of obedience or of rebellion: all of them are by the Will of God and His sentence and His conclusion and His decreeing. (Cragg, The Call of the Minaret 60-61

)

    And in Islam:

    “God’s one possible quality is His power to create good or evil at any time He wishes, i.e. His decree… Both good things and evil things are the results of God’s decree. It is the duty of every Muslim to believe this… It is he who causes harm and good. Rather the good works of some and the evil of others are signs that God wishes to punish some and to reward others… if God wishes to draw someone close to Himself, then He will give him the grace which will make that person do good works. If He wishes to reject someone and put that person to shame then He will create sin in him. God creates all things, good and evil. God creates people as well as their actions: He created you as well as what you do.” (Qur’an 37:94)

    Such men Embrace A “God” Who Is Really The Devil!

    And you want to simply label it “wrong”?

  • billobillo54

    In the 1990s the Pro-Life movement shut down a big abortion clinic operating in a big hospital where I live. On any given day, you could protest at the site. Thousands of us over many years picketed. Now the abortion clinic is and has been shut down. We need the same type of public display to oppose and thwart Islam. Political Islam is a much more dangerous phenomenon that the factually extremely dangerous and deadly Islamic terror. That’s because political Islam uses our laws and our tolerance against us. It is the perfect asymmetric warfare. It is aided and enhanced by all of those, sadly including Christians, who do not understand that evil must be opposed.

  • shoebat

    Piper follows Calvin. Calvin said: “I concede more – that thieves and murderers, and other evil-doers, are instruments of divine providence, being employed by the Lord himself to execute the judgments which he has resolved to inflict. (1.17.5)

    Do believe that murderers are employed by God?

    John Piper believes that Hitler killing 6 million Jews goes along this teaching since according to Calvin, it’s the will of God so why kill Hitler?

    According to Piper, God foreordains sin. He “ordains and governs” it.

    Calvin’s argument (again, Piper is Calvinist) that in the case of the rape of a single woman, the rapist should be compelled to marry his victim–particularly if the woman was a minor and her father consented.

    And if you think this is old think again, here is James White, another Calvinist, in a debate with Hank Hannegraaf and George Bryson, was asked, “When a child is raped, is God responsible and did He decree that rape?” To which Mr. White replied… “Yes, because if not then it’s meaningless
    and purposeless and though God knew it was going to happen he created it without a purpose… and God is responsible for the creation of despair… If He
    didn‟t [decree child rape] then that rape is an element of meaningless evil that has no purpose.”

    Calvinist Geneva permitted a single woman’s father to consent to her marriage to her rapist, after which the husband would have no right to divorce; the woman had no explicitly stated separate right to refuse.

    This means that she gets raped all her married life by her rapist husband.

    The teachings of Calvin’s pre-destination have little difference from Islam:

    “God Most High is the Creator of all actions of His creatures whether of unbelief or belief, of obedience or of rebellion: all of them are by the Will of God and His sentence and His conclusion and His decreeing. (Cragg, The Call of the Minaret 60-61

)

    And in Islam:

    “God’s one possible quality is His power to create good or evil at any time He wishes, i.e. His decree… Both good things and evil things are the results of God’s decree. It is the duty of every Muslim to believe this… It is he who causes harm and good. Rather the good works of some and the evil of others are signs that God wishes to punish some and to reward others… if God wishes to draw someone close to Himself, then He will give him the grace which will make that person do good works. If He wishes to reject someone and put that person to shame then He will create sin in him. God creates all things, good and evil. God creates people as well as their actions: He created you as well as what you do.” (Qur’an 37:94)

    Such men Embrace A “God” Who Is Really The Devil!

  • shoebat

    El,

    To use the armies in which God used to chastise Israel when they became evil by setting one evil nation against it is not the same when an evil rapist rapes a non-evil innocent girl. While God would do the first, He would NEVER destine or orchestrate the second. Had you completely understood this you would have never written your comments. Nevertheless you did and the reason is is because these “reformers” (who aren’t really reformers but wolves in sheep clothing) mean everything to you.

    Here do me a favor and answer a simple question. Had I said that Jesus had sex with Mary Madeleine, would you be upset at me? Would you state that what I said was a heresy?

    Now, what if Luther said it, would you just be upset at Luther? Or would you consider what he said was a heresy?

    I had thought you followed Jesus Alone?

    You hardly realize it, but you are a respecter of men (I know you think your not, but you are, so don’t write me a long comment telling me “you don’t even know who I am how dare you bla bla bla)

    Then you write:

    “It saddens me that you and Ted would constantly bring my Reformed brothers down and in general Protestants (like me) down. If it is your goal to unite Christians, you are doing an awful job, Walid.”

    Are you saying that the “reformed” are beyond reforming?

    And I am the only one here that is in need of being reformed by you? Hmmm, exactly what is going on here?

    Answering that question with a Yes is blasphemy (since everyone needs to be reformed) and answering it with “No” would agree with me 100%.

    Why then are you writing me here?

    Hmmmm, it is to send me the rest of what you said which is an opinion. An opinion which was void of any exact quotes by Ted or by Me.

    Your doing an “awful job” in accurately quoting. I did a good job in sharing exact quotes.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    So if we have a leader that commands us to become Muslim are you going to be subject to him and obey?

  • shoebat

    “if you want total agreement, don’t put reply possibilities under articles,”

    And I guess you are entitled to have “total agreement” but I am not entitled to also have total disagreement and even outright disgust?

    You want honest or dishonest feelings?

    I expressed my host feelings. Here’s why: had your loved ones (you have children) been in the concentration camps and I saved them by killing Hitler, would you think that you would express the nonsense you expressed? “O no Walid, you killed Hitler to rescue my children? I am ashamed of you Walid because John Piper said that killing is wrong and I agree with him” …

    You think everything is about “agreeing” and “disagreeing” politely? Somethings would irk any normal soul, especially your comment that Piper was right in that killing Hitler would be wrong.

    Imagine if someone rescued your loved ones (I rescued hundreds of slaves) while you sit on your behind commenting that killing Hitler would be wrong Scripturally. You don’t want me to tell you that “I want your thought out of my soul”?

    Darling, I am not here playing word games. We are busy saving lives. You can join or your can leave because your “feelings got hurt”, its all up to you, but we are in a middle of a major battle and we do not have a complaint department. So excuse me, got some work to do.

  • shoebat

    Well Filad, this is why I allow your posts, so you can add counter balance. This is why we have debate and reason.At least now you know that we do not fear correction if we err, but the question is, are you open to correction or are you the typical nationalist who defends a position accepted by the masses?

    • Steve Smith

      Walid, he showed his true colors, so to speak, he is trying to fool you. Right Rector, is not a Catholic organization. Filad Kufal Steve Smith 3 days ago

      I am sorry. My previous icon is back for you to see the Kiev caves lavra.
      black and red ”Svoboda” – what a mess in you, still it doesnt hinder you to make false accusations. that black and red flag is of “Praviy Sector” (Right Sector) – catholic organization.

      http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27173857

      Here is some info of why I am so disgusted with his kind, they like to forget this…http://www.volhyniamassacre.eu/

      While people will be having a joyful Christmas all I have is black and white photos of my mothers family, all were tortured and killed for giving bread to Polish Catholics hiding from the OUN-UPA Ukrainian Nationalists. It did not help that we were ethnic Russian either.
      He can post all the crap he likes, most people that comment on your blog are decent. Like Tom, Rudy Vincent the two Julies and Lidia, they see right through him.

  • “By the title of this article, it looks like you just want to say bad things about John Piper and critic his beliefs.”

    Yep.

    “You should have said something like …”

    Nope.

    “He’s not a perfect human being”.

    Yep.

    “he’s just expresing what he belives and understeands from the Bible”

    Nope.

    “there’s no need to make look like he belives something totally contratry and clearly wrong about God or the Gospel.”

    Nope.

    “I don’t think having diferences with him in a subject like this is a barrier to not learn from him.”

    Nope.

    Any other issues you would like to discuss?

    Glad to answer your concerns.