The Muslim Antichrist Has Just Given The Most Important And Shocking Speech Of The Century

By Walid Shoebat (Shoebat Exclusive) with special thanks to The Right Scoop

In what we consider to be the most shocking video recordings of Turkey’s Recep Tayyip Erdoğan at two speeches in Istanbul which reveals the amazing evidence to what has been saying over a decade, the spirit, goal and aim of the Muslim Antichrist which seems to all manifest in Turkey’s star leader. Erdogan expressed his desire to catapult Turkey into an Islamic Empire stemming from Istanbul and covering the entire Muslim world in support of the Caliphate dream map of a ten-Muslim state confideracy.

In two remarkable astonishing recorded speeches one can summarize the definition of Antichrist, who is a Hitler type figure, except this arising prince is not originating from Europe’s Germany but from Turkey (1). The Turkish Sultan wanna be Caliph, Hitler-Erdogan,  who is beginning to fit the bill as he displayed his demonic tirades and hallucinations


proclaiming Muslims as a special people going as far as propounding the “Sun Language Theory”, which described how the Turkish language was the world’s original language from which all others were derived as in the original Babel. He claimed Muslims discovered America before Columbus and that when Cuba was first discovered it had a mosque on a hill and thereby a mosque should be built there.

Erdogan in intent was really reiterating the Quran in which it stated that the “earth belongs to Allah” and that Turkey will usher the Prince of the Faithful who will be the Caliph, Allah’s custodian of the Muslim world.

The dignitaries watching were elated at the myth though they had the pleasure of believing it. Bertrand Russell’s book Power analyzes tyranny is that it depends on a “huge system of organised lying” to keep “their followers out of contact with reality”, therefore Erdogan and Hitler have much in common, even that Hitler as in Erdogan admired Islam and wanted it for Germany instead of what he termed “flabby Christianity” when Hitler stated: “”You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness….” (Quoted from Albert Speer’s memoirs)


And in another recording of yet a more significant speech, Erdogan’s statements bears a rather striking resemblance to some of the propaganda that has come out of ISIS when the Turkish president blasted the Sykes-Picot Agreement, a secret understanding that divided up the Middle East after World War I between British and French spheres of influence showing a serious convergence of views between ISIS and Erdoğan. (2)  In this remarkable speech Erdogan says it all:


Erdogan said: “this war [WWI] shaped the Middle East today. And more importantly, it sparked all the crisis and conflicts”

He then hones in on the nesessity of a neo-Ottomanist plan complaining blaiming a western caused Sunni-Siite sectarian divide and that a western aggressive policy is taking place that aims to to dominate the region emphasising the need to revive the legacy of the Ottoman Empire, which at its peak dominated according to Erdogan “the Middle East, South East Europe, The Caucasus, and North Africa” which for centuries was under the rule of Sunni Islam before its collapse in 1918 at the end of WWI. Erdogan saying that this region was established from Ottoman sovereignty which in his view needs to be re-established:

“This is very important. Approximately 100 years ago, from Bosnia-Herzegovina to Yemen, from Georgia to Libya, a very large region of the world was ruled from here, from Istanbul were we stand today”.

Erdogan vows to remove “the zigzags” (borders) saying “I will not go into detail”.

Once one putts all the pieces of his speech, Erdogan is speaking of the very map of ISIS. In what he called “Churchill’s hiccup”, referring to Churchill as a drunk who in his hiccup divided Muslim territory. ISIS explicitly are out to erase the borders that Sykes-Picot established across most of the modern Middle East intending to remove borders in order to establish the very ten Muslim state league which they currently proclaimed as 13 states, that is, after they reclaim Spain, eastern Europe and Ethiopia.



The very deadly wound and the sick man of Europe (the Ottomans) was blamed on the West and Erdogan wants to not only heal it, but to revive its deadly wound:

“The Ottoman State was able to to maintain the entire region in unity and harmony. Now we all need to accept that above all“.

The world according to Erdogan, needs to accept the Ottoman sovereignty to rule the entire Muslim world and more, not only Europe, but even the Americas was discovered by Muslims, therefore, it too belong to Islam. As revealed in the past, Erdogan now says that he wants to bring in a Shiite-Sunni unity:

“For example, the Shiite in the region has been split between three countries. Similarly, the Turkmen have been split into separate countries. The Druze of Lebanon who were very few at the time, have been divided between three countries. The Kurds have also been divided between three different countries to the point that some villages were split right down the middle. Countries such as Syria, Iraq, Jordan and Lebanon, were created after WWI and were largely unheard of before.”

Erdogan is speaking of a worldwide Sunni-Shiite unification, which will include Shiite Iran. It is crucial to understand that the Iranian revolutionary leaders are also Azeri Turks and have kinship with the Ottomans. The Turks also do not hold the same animosity towards Shiite ideology, as do Sunni Arabs.

Iran can’t afford loosing its relationship with Turkey. Turkey and Iran have a common interest in preventing an independent Kurdish nation. The more the United States supports the Iraqi Kurds there will be a greater danger of an Iranian-Turkish alliance, which is what we project, will happen.

Iran and Turkey are locked into an alliance. Erdoğan even sacrificed Fethullah Gülen on the altar of Iranian-Turkish unity and it even clashed with Israel over several issues’ like the Gaza Flotilla and Erodgan’s foreign minister Ahmet Davutoglu’s made much effort to improve ties with Iran. We have been addressing Turkey for two decades, way back when Turkey was an ally of Israel; we were laughed at when we said that the two would become mortal enemies.


The Ezekiel 38 program is on course, Gog is a leader from Turkey who unites with Persia (Iran), Libya and Egypt in the Muslim “league” (Ezekiel 30:8). Erdogan a Sunni declared it openly now, he is interested in a grand dream; uniting Shiite and Sunni, Kurd and Druze, Syrian and Turk under one banner, with the masses behind him carrying the “fiery red, hyacinth blue, and sulfur yellow” flags (Revelation 9:17) alongside the dragon-red flag with the two-horned crescent of Islam even aiming his attention on the woman-clothed with the sun, Israel whom through the Church and God’s appointed Messiah will crush this crescent under the woman’s feet. Erdogan’s partner, Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu is already crying out for not only Jerusalem, but sovereignty over what was the Holy Temple of God:

“Nothing will keep Turkey from “protecting Jerusalem and the al-Aqsa Mosque [Temple Mount]”

He also stated, while reiterating his warnings to Israel saying on Nov. 11:

“From here, I once more call on Israel and Israel’s brutal rulers: Don’t you dare considering resuming these attacks against al-Quds [Jerusalem] and the al-Aqsa Mosque [Temple Mount], regarding … internal turmoil and tension in the Islamic world as an opportunity. Even if everyone remains silent, the government of the Republic of Turkey will not keep silent”.

The situation is of two Gods, one who says “I will not be silent” when it comes to Al-Quds [Jerusalem], trying to mimic the ancient God of the Hebrew: “For Zion’s sake I will not keep silent, for Jerusalem’s sake I will not remain quiet, till her vindication shines out like the dawn, her salvation like a blazing torch” (Isaiah 62:1) Erdogan said to the OIC (Organization of Islamic Council) that “Jerusalem is the apple of the eye of every Muslim” mimicking God “whoever touches you touches the apple of his eye” (Zechariah 2:7-8)

We stated back in July “It is crucial to note that Turkey is the best candidate to make peace between Shiites and Sunnis because they are Sufi Muslim” and now Erdogan addresses the issue, just as we predicted he will:

“when it comes to Iraq why are there such bloody conflicts between Shiite and Sunnis?”

And just as we predicted all along, Erdogan blamed Syces-Picot:

“Sykes Picot was not only meant to delineate borders, but to draw divisive borders in the mind”

Erdogan ensures:

“Allah willing we will remove all the borders in the hearts and minds that were created from WWI … trust me many people will follow our beliefs”.

Erdogan is blaming the West of fomenting all the violence forgetting that it was the imperialism of the Ottomans which created the mass persecution of Christians for centuries prior to WWI. While Erdogan claims that he does not want to interfere in each nation’s affairs, he emphasized:

“I am an ardent supporter of the absolute and definite need, to open the borders in the hearts and minds of people. If you cannot lift the borders in the hearts and minds of the people, it will never be possible to find solutions to the conflicts that have paved the region for the past 100 years.”

He asks a very crucial issue:

“take the Arabs, Kurds and the Turkmen, despite the fact that they adhere to the same beliefs, values and culture, why are they a continuous state of conflict?”

Erdogan is calling to establish a covenant “peace treaty with many” stating that Turkey is the only beacon to do this:

Turkey by taking the right steps is the only country that can ensure peace and stability in the region

He wants to bring the entire Muslim world at the table to give allegiance to the Ottomans who in his view  by bringing them to establish a peace treaty will unite the entire Muslim world.

If an antichrist is to rise, Erdogan or Davutoğlu are the two best candidates, whether one of them is or is not, these truly manifest some signs. We were correct this whole time, Erdogan, from the prophetic vision, to predicting the conspiracy aiding ISIS against the western powers. As the West is aiding the Kurds, Erdogan says it clearly, he is against it:

“Do you think those spending hundreds of millions of dollars, in order to bomb the region, brought these planes and missiles for the sake of peace? Absolutely not“.

Erdogan wants to blame the West while proclaiming himself the man to usher the true peace of Islam for Muslims.

Shockingly, Erdogan then hones in the harlot, Arabia:

“A hundred years ago there were spies in the Arabian desert aiming to destroy the Ottoman Empire and they still exist today”

Notice, the “spies” are the Arabs allied with the western coalition who a century ago gave the final crushing blow to the Ottoman and now are still current via the U.S-led coalition.

Its a century old wound and as we said, the Muslim will revenge, even if it takes him a hundred years later, we have stated it countless times, both Iran and Turkey want revenge and this means their fill of the Arab harlot’s blood, the desert which issued forth the blood-drinking religion of Islam and Mecca will pay the price through destruction. Saudi Arabia, the nation that allowed the Islamist boogeyman out of the box will be as the mother spider who gets eaten by her offspring.

And how many times we discussed Lawrence of Arabia and how Turkey holds a historic long memory against Saudi Arabia’s aid to oust the Ottomans during the Sharif Hussein revolt (1916-1918) when the Turks shelled Mecca and crushed the Black Stone, the very parallel to what’s coming in the future when Iran and Turkey destroy the harlot (see Isaiah 21). And this week, in a furious anti-Western diatribe, the Turkish president compared the outside meddling in the region now to the role the renowned British army officer played during the Arab Revolt against the Ottomans during World War I; Lawrence of Arabia and spoke on the betrayal of Saudi Arabia.

The “spy” hunt was no joke. Erdogan accused western journalists of being spies which thrilled Erdoğan’s supporters when the Turkish government went on the hunt. In southern Turkey, some local officials in his Justice and Development Party (AKP) even expressed sympathy for ISIS. Erdoğan in gestapo style, even argued there are modern-day ‘Lawrences’ in Turkey right now “disguised as journalists, religious men, writers and terrorists” to only have ‘spies’  (journalists) arrested by anti-terrorist police, three of them German after they were hauled before a court for a preliminary hearing in the southeastern Turkey of Diyarbakır.

Erdogan truly believes in his grandiose plans for Turkey to become the organizing force of the Middle East. The Ottoman Sultans, after all, were the last Caliphs, ruling over the territory that Islamic State wants to rebuild into a grotesque parody of the old Caliphates.

Erdogan’s speech marks the 100 year anniversary of the World War I which saw the collapse of the 700 year old Turkish Ottoman Empire, and is why on Friday Prime Minister Davotuglu spoke of Turkey’s Ottoman colonial territories as if they still belong to them arguing that Jerusalem has been entrusted with the Turks by Muslim caliph Omar Bin Al-Khattab when he invaded it removing the crosses from all the holy places and replacing them with crescents.


(1) See Revelation 2:12-13, Zechariah 9 “Ionia”, Ezekiel 38 “Gog” of Meschech and Tubal which is in turkey. See here for detailed explanation.

(2) In his speech Monday at a university in Istanbul.

  • Though Ataturk was not a saint, it is a shame he didn’t utterly stamp out the ashes of these rascals. He did a good job, but not good enough.

    • Stephen Dalton

      Rudy, Ataturk was an Anti-Christ too. Christians were persecuted under his Kemalist government for years. also, there was evidence that MKA was Donmeh

      • Agreed. However, the point was the annihilation of the Caliphate and any trace of Islam, which he failed in doing.

        • Stephen Dalton

          Rudy, Ataturk was a secular nationalist. He only attacked the outward manifestations of Islam. His reforms never touched the hearts of the average Muslim Turk. They hated him for his attacks on Turkish traditional culture. Only the Kemalists, who had everything to gain by supporting him, stood behind him.

          • I don’t think you and I are in any real disagreement. However, until this dog ruining the country these days came in, most Turks in the cosmopolitan areas appreciated the fact that he got the Caliphate’s residue to back down in their influence. Unfortunately, the imbeciles in the mountains, the same sort who ruin the whole of Arabia, support Erdogan. And yes to Pero. Ataturk probably was a Domneh, and was most certainly a Mason.

          • Stephen Dalton

            You’re correct Rudy, we’re not in any real disagreement. Ataturk, like any strong armed dictator, thought he could transform Turkey by the power of his will. He should have been aware that strong-armed tactics and repression can’t work in the long run. Sooner or later, the repressed returns, with a vengeance. And I suspect the Donmeh will be leaving Turkey in large numbers soon to avoid that vengeance!

          • I don’t blame them for wanting to bolt. It’s not a safe time for them or anyone else.

            Be that as it may, there IS some good news coming out of Turkey’s Eastern flank. A bunch of Turkish converts to Orthodoxy have been doing great work converting Muslims in Abkhazia.

  • momprayn

    “..tyranny is that it depends on a “huge system of organised lying” to keep “their followers out of contact with reality”,….

    therefore Erdogan, Hitler and…..Obama (Admin.) have much in common.

  • shoebat

    Ahhh, just when I thought that I was infallible, you had to bust my bubble. Keen eye, its Revelation 9:17 I corrected the reference, its the breastplate of the Antichrist’s army and those are their main colors.

    Thanks Susan for setting me straight.

    • Joe Jetu

      No one could really fathom the allegories contained in Book of Revelation until you came to the scene. Thank you Mr
      Shoebat and God bless You.

    • Trevor

      Is the yellow flag a reference to Hezbollah?

  • RodK1975

    when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh
    upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not

    I may be harping on a moot point here, but, I’m wondering if they can and/or will change the official language of Islam from Arabic to Turkish and if so, is there a prophetic significance to that?

  • Trevor

    This quote made me giggle, “Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness…”

    Oh my word! Wait, I mean, Oh my Holy Bible! It says that the LORD, on that Day, would strike this plague, Their fleshes would dissolve before their bones hit the ground, and that is not meekness or flabbiness! Hysterical!

    On a much more serious note, I want to remind our brethren on this site that God is placing within the heart of Erodgan to fulfill God’s desire to have the Harlot destroyed. God has been at war with the Harlot since Babel and when we see Mecca in flame, does that signal that Jesus is coming, even at the door? When we see all the armies amassed on the northern portion of Israel as Daniel and Revelation predicts, does that mean we, the Bride of Christ, should take that as a call to arms to come to the aid of our Christian brethren and Jewish partners?

    God’s clock seem to be winding down, and it seem to be increasing in tempo.

  • Impeach Obama Now!

    Are we entering the modern day era of Gog and Magog? Turkey has sure ramped up their pure evil rhetoric as of late! I thought they were our ally for years, but I never trusted them. Because I know the enemy comes from the north!

    And the enemy comes from the north and meets at the Tigress and Euphrates Rivers for the final battle.
    An interesting explanation here….

    The Coming War of Gog and Magog, an Islamic Invasion?
    I can not explain any of this. All I can do is continue to search for the truth, and try to figure out what is exactly happening, by also comparing the prophesies in the Bible to our current events. And that’s why I am here on your fine site Mr. Shoebat. I was born and raised in the Church of the Nazarene. And accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior when I was just 9 years old. I do feel that we are in the last days.

  • Softly Bob

    I’ve always believed that the war of Ezekiel 38-39 will be a Sunni-Shia alliance because it mentions Persia being allied with other Sunni nations. Only this unification will give the Muslim World confidence enough to launch a full-blown invasion on Israel.
    Of course, the alliance will only be temporary. Each sect has the full intention of stabbing each other in the back once the mission is complete.
    But the mission fails of course as God smites them. In the panic and confusion, each side blames the other and they turn against each other, something that Sunnis and Shia are renowned for doing.

    And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord God: every man’s sword shall be against his brother.

    Ezekiel 38:21

    • Trevor

      And God has a history of turning would-be invading armies against each other. Gideon and the alabaster jars comes to mind.

  • FF

    We are running short of time to sharpen the sword and polish the shield.

    • RodK1975

      Right, FF… We have a lot of praying, meditating on the Word and renewing of the mind to get done, time is far spent.

      • FF

        And also to “impregnate” the minds of those around us…

        • RodK1975

          I agree again, FF. At some point we’re going to have to take up the mantle of the OT Prophets and the Apostles and start being heard, thrown in jail and so forth. Not in a crazy sense, mind you, but definitely zealous and outspoken.

  • Marco Vincent

    And yet, despite the clear warnings, the America and the West still wants Turkey to become their prime mediator for the Middle East. Choosing to alienate Israel , while offending both Russia and China at the same time.
    I wonder who’s running the State Department , as it was clear that foreign relation to them is like playing a board game.

    Russia and China to conduct joint military exercises in the MEDITERRANEAN and the Pacific in 2015:

    This clearly is an indication that Russia and China wants to show US,NATO, Japan and Turkey that their alliance are not something to be trifled with.

    also ,its official ,Turkey wants Iran to have nukes :

    Every pieces of the puzzle are coming together, amazing and frightening at the same time. Praise GOD!!

    Declaring the end from the beginning,
    And from ancient times things that are not yet done,
    Saying, ‘My counsel shall stand,
    And I will do all My pleasure,’

    –Isaiah 46:10New King James Version (NKJV)

  • shoebat

    “they have a skewed vision about what Christianity is”

    What then is Christianity Nicole?

  • shoebat

    Right on Nick.

  • shoebat

    You right, unless of course, that when it says he will pluck 3 out of the root, that this is a different issue than expansion.

    • Tom_mcewen

      From time to time I watch your video on CleanTV of you talking in a beautifully lite library, what is the library?, I wish all of you talks could be on such a stage. Thanks again.

  • Trevor

    It sounds like you are advocating Orthodoxy, as I have begun to embrace. I grew up as a Southern Baptist, joined a Charmisatic church, and then a few years ago, a Foursquare church. Now, I’m kind of using as my church. I’m still wanting to join a true, Bible-beliving Church that is not caught up in the prosperity gospel mania, pre-trib rapture mania, and so forth.

  • AnthonyM

    This is really amazing. Here it is, all the cards are being put on the table. Even the blind should be able to see what is taking place now. A great article. The line from ‘ Bertrand Russell’s book Power analyzes tyranny is that it depends on a “huge system of organised lying” to keep “their followers out of contact with reality” ‘ is correct and necessary to develop the cult of Erdogan. Who needs Drudge when we’ve got Shoebat!

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  • RodK1975

    <– Nick, I know it's hard to see, but my picture is a drawing of Ezekiel prophesying to the Valley of Dry Bones. I'm certainly not like Ezekiel, but I do feel like I am preaching to dry bones sometimes…. everyone seemd to have a bad case of "Church Narcolepsy".

  • RodK1975

    “What will it take to get our mainstream Western media to really begin to
    pay attention and cover what is really going on in the Muslim world?”

    Pamela, I don’t think there’s anything that can make them cover the real story in the Muslim World. The media is in the tank for Islam as strange as that may seem and as soon as a “Leader” emerges that the liberal believes is on course to reform Islam and make it just a tiny bit more to the liberals taste, then the world will fall at his feet. I don’t know, Mr Shoebat is the expert on this and may have a different view, but I think once that happens, Hinduism will join with Islam, Buddhism will and every other false religion will jump on board the Islam train. As well as, apostate Christians and Jews that are so desperate to have “Interfaith Cooperation” with Islam. True Christians will really be a pariah then and will have to be eliminated with the Jews because we will be the only thing standing in the way of world peace.

  • Stephen Dalton

    Nearly all the Donmeh Jews involved in the CUP were Freemasons.

  • FF

    sickofOmom, let me give you a breeze of fresh air.
    Taking Lea words, not [all] the “christian world” is being ruled by “cowardice”.

    Maybe I’m just lucky, but read this:
    When I begun teaching my sunday school class about the rapture being a post tribulation event, I got a big surprise, one of the girls told me “I knew we where heading to some kind of tribulation”, and she wasn’t saying it with fear!

    I talked to the Pastor (in fear of being expelled…) and (although not accepting it) he told me it wasn’t a issue of heresy, or subject to the church discipline.
    Whitin some of my close friends in church, many are already convinced of the coming tribulation, and Turkey role (thanks to Walid), and the not so global government. We are “trying” to be ready (at least not ignorant about it) to the coming hard times.

    Have hope. Preserve. Pray.
    Viva la Liga Sancta! Christus vincit! Christus regnat! Christus imperat!

  • Tom_mcewen

    Yes, you did hold them back quite well, the Croatians here feel a bit uneasy with the liberal Western Europe, the lack of moral restraint in the society offends them as Christians. While European may not fight I have no doubt of Croatians.

    • Lidia

      It wasn’t only the Croatians that held them back. Orthodox Serbs from Serbia (Kosovo, Raska) and Bosnia helped BIG TIME. These Serbs fled from the Turkish occupied regions to the border region between the Ottoman and Austrian empires. Austria agreed to let them own land if they provided military service and defended the border. This border stretched from the Adriatic Sea, along the western and northern edges of Bosnia into northern Serbia and even Romania. These Serbs became soldiers and officers in the Austrian army. This border region was called Krajina. There were other nationalities there too, like Croats, Hungarians, Romanians, Germans. But it was overwhelmingly Serbian. Most Croatians outside of Krajina (Croatian territory) didn’t even own land in the Austrian- Hungarian Empire because they were Serfs. The Krajina people did. So actually the Austrians and Hungarians considered the people of Krajina very very important!
      My Serbian family (mother’s side) came from Krajina. Most of the Serbs are gone from this area because of the recent Yugoslavian War (1990’s), including my Serbian family. I’m very sad about this personally. Now they live in Serbia.
      There is a book that I gave my dad written by an Englishman. It’s called the “Guardians of the Gate.” Guess who this writer called the guardians–THE SERBS!!! The Serbs that guarded the border between Christian Europe and Muslim Turks from the Ottoman Empire.
      The Croatians can’t fight the Muslims alone. They will probably fight side by side with the Serbs again. History always repeats itself. Pero will deny it but it’s the truth. Trust me Tom. He did say that he is not impressed with the new liberalism in Western and Northern Europe. So how do you think they will help Croatia. They can’t even help their own people. Islam is on the rise in Europe. Why!!?? Europe will become Muslim majority by the year 2050 or sooner.
      By the way my father is Croatian. That is why I’m Catholic. Pero still can’t believe that I’m Catholic. He said that I was Serbian. I am 50% Serbian. So I guess I’m a Serbian Catholic. LOL

  • Tom_mcewen

    I find the Rapture theology offensive, it is a free get out of jail card, where you get to retire from the fight leaving others to fight and die in your place. I have seen this before under the atheists, choosing a verse to avoid the fight.

  • nick

    I will check it out when i can im checking out some orthodoxy stuff at the moment

  • shoebat

    Any time Nick.

  • shoebat

    “I’ve studied the rapture and haven’t believed in it for 2 years now. ”

    Sounds like Rapture Anonymous 😉 , so you kicked the habit, good for you.

  • Tom_mcewen

    Sorry, I can not accept anything you said. It goes against all that is taught in the scriptures.

  • shoebat

    Your suppose to be in bed, dreaming of heaven.

    • nick

      Im going to work at 430am hoping they eventually get a third shift maintenance man.

      • shoebat

        I see, God be with you.

  • FF

    Right on spot!
    Some believe that the “the marriage of the Lamb” (Rev 19:7) refers to 7 years private party, without realizing that the banquet being served (as ugly as it may seem) is described in Rev 19:17-18 (cf. Ezek 39:17-20)

  • RodK1975

    Your story sounds familiar, Nicole. I remember maybe 12 or 15 years ago, going through the Bible and thinking to myself “ok, I don’t see how they get pre-trib rapture out of these verses they always use to justify it.” So, I asked my preacher about his thoughts and he looked at me and said “can you wait a few weeks? I will have a sermon coming up that might answer your question.” Sure enough, a few weeks later he was preaching a sermon and said “there’s no pre-trib rapture in the Bible, it just isn’t there.” I heard the chins hitting the floor, it was funny. So I have these battles and some people do cling to it like a life-saver in the middle of the ocean. When I get exhausted with the arguing I generally leave them with this, I say, “ok, if you want to believe in a pre-trib rapture, fine. However, you need to consider the possibility it is a misinterpretation and be prepared for that eventuality.”

  • RodK1975

    Right, Nicole. Our job as Christians is to occupy until He comes. We should concentrate on doing the job and let Christ rescue us when He sees fit.

  • shoebat

    Excellent point of view. Much appreciated.

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  • Mark

    Excellent to hear…always prayerfully ask the Holy Spirit to teach and guide you in these matters…I’ve found it is really easy to allow ‘ourselves’ to factor too much into the process which can easily result in anger and frustration toward others; always keep yourself away from that. If you feel God has given you a message to share then share it with those who want to hear. When you offer to others and they shun or walk away, please (assuming my suspicion is correct) don’t take it personal; it’s not your message, it’s God’s. Practicing this will help keep you focused on getting your message out instead of getting bogged down in arguments or your own hurt feelings. Stay strong Nicole and God be with you.

  • Mark

    Yep, definitely check it out. I find his overall approach very thorough, research rich, and fair to those who challenge him.

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