Pope Francis Prophetic Year Of Mercy- Prepare Wisely in 2016 Because 2017 Is When Divine Wrath Will Be Poured Out On The Earth


Damocles’ Sword

In the 4th century BC, the island of Sicily was ruled by the tyrant Dionysius II. According to legend, a courtier named Damocles was lavishing praise upon Dionysius when the tyrant made a startling proposal to Damocles. He said that he would allow Damocles to serve as ruler in his place and allow him to partake of all the luxuries of his court on two conditions. The first was that Damocles would sit in his throne, and the second was that directly above Damocles’ head there was to be hung a large, finely sharpened sword supported by nothing more than a horse’s hair for thread. After a short while, Damocles returned the throne to Dionysius, having realized that great power and wealth come with equally great responsibility, and it is only a hair’s breadth away from being irreparably lost.

I have retold this story because America and literally, the rest of the world is living under Damocles’ sword today. Never has there been such power, such wealth, such opportunity and prosperity than ever before in human history. At the same time, never also has there been such a evident warning signs of a great and impending catastrophe.


President Erdogan of Turkey, who wants to revive the Ottoman Empire and become King of a new Babylon

I don’t need to recount details at too much length because the signs are all around us. Europe is facing a civil war and the real possibility of her ethnic and cultural extinction on account of the massive Muslim invasion taking place today. Turkey is attempting to give birth to a new Ottoman Empire with the purpose of preparing the way for the Muslim Messiah and exterminating Christianity from the Earth. To make matters worse, Christianity is in a state of disarray. In the United States, the economy is collapsing and has been for some time, but so also is the entire world. This must have been something of how the world looked on the verge of World War I- except this time it would be World War III.

But I do not believe that 2016 will be the year in which all these events culminate in a catastrophe of Biblical proportions. Sure, certain things will happen and the situation in the world will deteriorate, but I do not believe that 2016 is the year. Why, you ask, would I make such a statement?

Several years ago I was a volunteer CCD teacher. One of the most memorable lectures I gave my 6th grade class was about God’s love. It was a lecture that I continued to give throughout the year, as I wanted to drive the message into them because for many of these students I was their only teacher about the Faith. While I won’t go through everything the lecture went something like this:

-God is Love (1 John 4:8)

-God is perfect, and therefore God is perfect Love.

-Perfect Love contains in in absolute mercy and absolute justice

-Therefore, perfect Love must perfectly merciful and perfectly just.

I often gave this lecture alongside a picture of Dutch Painter Rogier Van Der Weyden’s The Last Judgment:


My point was well received. God is perfect Love, and He naturally demands perfect obedience to Him. We are sinners, but He offers us perfect mercy, and if we do not accept His perfect mercy, we will merit His perfect- and final -justice.

I have made it very clear from my articles that I do not like what Pope Francis is doing. He is doing things that are many times at the very least questionable, and too often things that are manifestly heretical. That said, Pope Francis is still the Pope. Nobody ever said that a leader had to be a good leader (although that is certainly preferable), but he is still the elected leader of the Church.

The Liturgical (Church) calendar for the Catholic Faith begins with Advent and ends with the feast of Christ the King, which is the day before Advent begins. Pope Francis declared that 2016 would be the year of mercy. There has never, ever been a “year of mercy” ever prescribed in the Church. For this year of mercy, Pope Francis has allowed parish priests to perform certain faculties reserved only to the bishop and sometimes, the Pope himself. How interesting that it falls at such a time when the world is falling to chaos!

But that reminded me of another very important Catholic prophecy from the early 20th century


St. Faustina’s vision of Divine Mercy

Sr. Faustina Kowalska of Poland, now St. Faustina Kowalska, was canonized by Pope John Paul II as the “apostle of divine mercy.” In short, she was a young Polish Nun who received visions of Jesus for many years. The messages that she received were understood as a continuation and development of revelations from St. Mary Alacoque and Bl. Josefa Menendez about the Sacred Heart of Jesus and how Jesus’ infinite love and mercy flows from His Most Sacred Heart. One might say that St. Faustina’s visions are the culmination of these revelation that had been building up since the 17th century.


St. Faustina Kowalska

The Divine Mercy message, as much as it is very comforting to know about how merciful Jesus is, also comes with a strong warning- not only that those who refuse to accept His mercy will necessarily merit His justice, but that the message of divine mercy given by Jesus to St. Faustina is a time of mercy and preparation for the ushering in of God’s just wrath and the final judgment, as she recorded in her diary:

You will prepare the world for My final coming. (Diary 429) 

Speak to the world about My mercy … It is a sign for the end times. After it will come the Day of Justice. While there is still time, let them have recourse to the fountain of My mercy.  (Diary 848) 

Tell souls about this great mercy of Mine, because the awful day, the day of My justice, is near. (Diary 965).

I am prolonging the time of mercy for the sake of sinners. But woe to them if they do not recognize this time of My visitation. (Diary 1160)

Before the Day of Justice, I am sending the Day of Mercy. (Diary 1588)

He who refuses to pass through the door of My mercy must pass through the door of My justice. (Diary 1146).


The National Shrine of Divine Mercy, Stockbridge, MA



The Miracle of the Sun, October 13th, 1917, Fatima, Portugal

Pope Francis’ declaration of 2016 being the year of divine mercy is also very interesting as it falls exactly one year before the 100th anniversary of the apparitions of Fatima. For those who have never heard of it, and which I will be writing about in an upcoming article, Mary the Mother of God appeared to three Portuguese children and told them three secrets about terrible things to come. The third secret has never been revealed publicly (although some have seen it, including Pope Benedict XVI), but from what many have alluded to, it seems to refer to the destruction of the world by fire and the rise of the Antichrist:

This will be the time of the decisive battle between the Blessed Virgin and the devil. A wave of diabolical disorientation will be hurled over the world. Satan will introduce himself even to the highest summit of the Church. He will blind the minds and harden the hearts of pastors. And God will deliver them to themselves as a chastisement for their refusal to obey the requests of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. This will be the great apostasy predicted for the ‘last times’; ‘the False Lamb’ and ‘False Prophet’ will betray the Church to the profit of ‘the Beast,’ according to the prophecy of the Apocalypse.”


A statue of Our Lady of Fatima with the Immaculate Heart of Mary

Much of this seems to be conditional, however upon the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary:

“I shall come to ask for the Consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart…If people attend to My requests, Russia will be converted and the world will have peace.”

While reading this, one must keep in mind that the message of Fatima is considered by the Church to be the most significant revelation in modern times.


The three children: Lucia dos Santos, Francisco Marto, and Jacinta Marto

There are many Catholics, including myself, who do not believe that Russia was ever consecrated. Several years after these original revelations, one of the children, Lucia dos Santos, who became a nun, said had the following vision from Mary:

“Later on, by means of an interior communication, Our Lord complainingly said to me: ‘They did not want to heed My request. Like the King of France they will repent and do so, but it will be late. Russia will already have spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The Holy Father will have much to suffer’!”


Beheading of King Louis XVI during the French Revolution

To put things in context, June 17th, 1689 was the day that Jesus told St. Margaret Mary Alacoque to tell the King of France to consecrate France to the Sacred Heart of Jesus.  It was never done, and exactly 100 years later on that same day, June 17th, 1789, the French National Assembly voted to strip the King of His power in the act that would begin the French revolution. He tried to consecrate France, but it was too late, and the King was beheaded and France became the godless state which it still is today.


A traditional illustration showing the union of the Sacred Heart of Jesus with the Immaculate Heart of Mary

God wanted France consecrated to the Sacred Heart of Jesus, it was not done in the 100 year time frame, and that nation fell to pagan tyranny. God now wants Russia consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary for the sake of the whole world, and it has been 99 years and the consecration still has not been done.

Damocles’ sword uneasily hangs over the world’s head.


Christ the King

Make use of this Divine Mercy as much as you can this year. Next year may be the year of Divine Justice.

A video of the Divine Mercy Chaplet performed at the National Shrine of Divine Mercy, Stockbridge, MA. This is often played on EWTN.

  • Tom_mcewen

    Cultural extinction, perfect words like apples of silver and gold.

  • PaulF

    Thanks Andrew. Very good information here.

  • Willing to die for Jesus

    People in the West today, including many Catholics, don’t fully realize how the Catholic Church is the backbone of Western Civilization and should therefore care about the Church.

    The fate and future of the Church and the West are inextricably intertwined.

    Here is Thomas Woods, the historian and author of How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization discussing his book.


    • ace

      Happy New Year! Happy Coming Epiphany Willing! May God bless and protect you and yours and help you persevere during the coming year – and always

      Revelations 12:17 “Then the dragon was angry with the woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and bear testimony to Jesus. RSV

      Revelations 12:17 “And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ” KJV

    • AnthonyM

      Very good.

    • Julie LaBrecque

      So too is Bill Donohue’s book “Why Catholicism Matters”.

  • Tom_mcewen

    Weyden’s painting begain Peter Hitchens return to the Anglican church

    • Grandmere

      Many prayers went up for poor Christopher.

      • Julie LaBrecque

        Wasn’t Peter at his side begging for his conversion while he was dying?

  • Kamau41

    Very informative and impactful article Andrew. Reading, especially the story of Fatima, is a real eye opener concerning the current condition of the Church/World:
    “This will be the time of the decisive battle between the Blessed Virgin and the devil. A wave of diabolical disorientation will be hurled over the world. Satan will introduce himself even to the highest summit of the Church. He will blind the minds and harden the hearts of pastors. And God will deliver them to themselves as a chastisement for their refusal to obey the requests of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. This will be the great apostasy predicted for the ‘last times’; ‘the False Lamb’ and ‘False Prophet’ will betray the Church to the profit of ‘the Beast,’ according to the prophecy of the Apocalypse.” Indeed, we are seeing the stage being set for the final battle ahead. It appears that 2016 could very well be a pivotal year, and may we be wise in making use of this year’s Divine Mercy.

    • ace

      Amen! God’s blessings and mercy to you and yours Kamau!

  • ace

    Efficacious Novena to the Sacred Heart of Jesus (To be recited daily for 9 consecutive days) Novena promulgated by St.Margaret Mary Alacoque (1647-1690)

    I. O my Jesus, you have said: “Truly I say to you, ask and you will receive,
    seek and you will find, knock and it will be opened to you.” Behold I
    knock, I seek and ask for the grace of…… (here name your request) Our
    Father….Hail Mary….Glory Be to the Father…. Sacred Heart of Jesus, I
    place all my trust in you.

    II. O my Jesus, you have said: “Truly I say to you, if you ask anything of the
    Father in my name, he will give it to you.” Behold, in your name, I ask
    the Father for the grace of……. (here name your request) Our Father…Hail
    Mary….Glory Be To the Father…. Sacred Heart of Jesus, I place all my trust
    in you.

    III. O my Jesus, you have said: “Truly I say to you, heaven and earth will pass
    away but my words will not pass away.” Encouraged by your infallible words
    I now ask for the grace of….. (here name your request) Our Father….Hail
    Mary….Glory Be to the Father… Sacred Heart of Jesus, I place all my trust
    in you.

    O’ Sacred Heart of Jesus, for whom it is impossible not to have compassion on the
    afflicted, have pity on us poor sinners and grant us the grace which we ask of
    you, through the Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart of Mary, your tender Mother and

    Hail, Holy Queen, Mother of Mercy, our life, our sweetness and our hope! To thee do
    we cry, poor banished children of Eve. To thee do we send up our sighs,
    mourning and weeping in this valley of tears! Turn, then, O most gracious
    Advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us, and after this, our exile, show unto
    us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus. O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin
    Mary; Pray for us, O holy Mother of God, that we may be made worthy of the
    promises of Christ.

    St. Joseph, foster father of Jesus, pray for us.


    Some promises Jesus made to St. Margaret Mary Alacoque for those who make the devotion to His most Sacred Heart:

    (1) I will give them all the graces necessary in their state of life.
    (2) I will establish peace in their homes.
    (3) I will comfort them in all their afflictions.
    (4) I will be their secure refuge during life, and above all, in death.
    (5) I will bestow abundant blessings upon all their undertakings.
    (6) Sinners will find in my Heart the source and infinite ocean of mercy.
    (7) Lukewarm souls shall become fervent.
    (8) Fervent souls shall quickly mount to high perfection.
    (9) I will bless every place in which an image of my Heart is exposed and honored.
    (10) I will give to priests the gift of touching the most hardened hearts.
    (11) Those who shall promote this devotion shall have their names written in my Heart.
    (12) I promise you in the excessive mercy of my Heart that my all-powerful love will grant to all those who receive Holy Communionon the First Fridays in nine consecutive months the grace of final perseverance; they shall not die in my disgrace, nor without receiving their sacraments. My divine Heart shall be their safe refuge in this last moment.

    • Julie

      I love this devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus.

  • theophorus

    I wonder, was the consecration made? Russia is certainly changing of late and this says that in fact the consecration was made in 1984. 7 years later the soviet union collapsed and Russia has increasingly become a christian nation, stepping in to defend christians in the middle east as well and holding islamist turkey in check.


    Then this same Supreme Pontiff, John Paul II wrote to all the bishops of the world
    asking them to unite with him. He sent for the statute of Our Lady of Fátima — the one
    from the little Chapel to be taken to Rome and on March 25, 1984 – publicly – with the
    bishops who wanted to unite with His Holiness, made the Consecration as Our Lady
    requested. They then asked me if it was made as Our Lady requested, and I said,
    “YES.” Now it was made.

    • AnthonyM

      Russia was consecrated, and it has changed. The US is headed in the wrong direction, not Russia.
      Anyway, please give the Catholic Answers Podcast #6971 Our Lady of Fatima – Fr. Sebastian Walshe a listen. Only 50 minutes long, available on ITunes web site.

      • Andrew Bieszad

        No, Russia was not consecrated. But don’t worry- I will be dealing with this in an upcoming post. The history is very interesting.

        • richinnameonly

          All very interesting and extremely timely.

        • Julie

          Will see….but I lived in Portugal for a short while to learn the language, and the family took me to Fatima. Sr Lucia did say the consecration was accepted, and see my post above regarding it.

          I was raising small children in the 80’s then. Very in tune.

          Seattle had the highest number of KGB in the country second to Washington, DC.

          The secret has been revealed and it is on the Vatican website for the world to see. And it speaks of the pope, cardinals, bishops, religious, lay martyred. So many of them. and we see it coming now with Islam and the Secular Atheists.

        • You throw a monkey wrench on all our excitement about Russia. But what the heck. I like monkey wrenches.

          P.S: can you pass me the sledge hammer while you’r at it?

          • Julie LaBrecque

            2016 being proclaimed the Year of Mercy might well be
            prophetic for the Jews as well as Kislev 25 will correspond to December 25 – Christmas – which falls on ‘Sunday’ in 2016. Also, 2016 is the year 5777 in the Jewish calendar, numbers that are not without significance – 5 is grace, 7 is covenantal,
            3 ‘sevens’ could well be seen here as Trinitarian. It was at Hannukah when Jesus went to the Temple area at the
            Portico of Solomon where the Jews ‘gathered around him’ and was asked of “How long are you going to keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.” (John 10:22-24).

            (The following inscription showing the year 5777/2016 is from

            December 25, 2016

            25th of Kislev, 5777 / כ״ה בכסלו תשע״ז

          • RodK1975

            “…numbers that are not without significance – 5 is grace, 7 is covenantal, 3 ‘sevens’ could well be seen here as Trinitarian.”

            Finally, someone else said it, too… We have a lot of that coming up over the next 2 years or so… the 70th anniversary of the rebirth of Israel being one…

          • And so what do you think will happen Dec 25, 2016?

          • Julie LaBrecque

            The Jews will ‘gather around Jesus’ – will then know that He is the Messiah.

          • I’ll hold you to this.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Fair enough – I believe 2027 is the next convergence of Dec 25 and Kislvev 25.

          • Andrew Bieszad

            Shoot- I’ll give you dynamite too.

        • Catbr

          I agree that Russia is not yet consecrated. I have read many articles that prove this by Father Gruner (deceased last year), the Fatima priest, and his associates. I look forward to your upcoming post.

          • I would suggest that you read our side of this topic, as it seems Catholics can at times be oblivious to what Russia actually thinks about the Holy Theotokos and her role in protecting Orthodoxy: http://www.shipoffools.com/features/columnists/epistles_of_straw/01.html



          • Interesting. And once again, I keep seeing the thin thread that is linking everything back to 1916 when Tsarist Russia gave support to the Sykes-Picot Agreement. This is not a coincidence, and I only wish people would see that.

          • racarrera

            You ought to consider writing more on the topic. It’s very timely now.

          • I will give it some serious thought. I think I need to keep digging.

            I honestly think Satan corrupted Russia with communism. There is simply no way to explain its sudden “fall from grace,” so to speak, so soon after endorsing the Sykes-Picot Agreement. Then after WWII, the attention after the rebuilding of Europe suddenly shifted to the Cold War, and the chess match between capitalism and communism saw the Korea War, Vietnam, then the American stupidly training the Afghan resistance to the Soviet Union, etc.

            It just seem that Satan was quite busy during the 20th century in throwing the Church into disarray with confusion. To compound the confusion, there’s quite a few pastors leading the Cold War mentality that the Soviet Union was the dreaded bear, and therefore, Gog. At the same time, atheism grew at an astonishing clip, replacing academia, spreading their errors.

            Yet, God was fully in charge. Israel, after being gone from the world history for thousand of years, was restored to the land, successfully fought off the Arabs against overwhelmingly, statistics odds, which only strengthened the arguments that we are in the terminal generations that may soon see the Antichrist coming before the Glorious Appearing. At the same time, Christianity was growing at a phenomenal rate, reaching into remote corners of the world while Islam was quiet, almost forgotten. I say, almost. At the same time, cooperation between the schism of the Church began to close the divide, even though much works needs to be done to make the rift close permanently, which will take an act of God.

            So, even though it appears there was much doom and gloom, it does not take away the fact that God is firmly in control, and He is never going to be outwitted by one of His creations, that is Satan.

          • racarrera

            Amen, good sir. We saw the world getting mangled between the evils of Communism and the destruction of the Assyrian/Greek/Armenian communities in Asia Minor. We’re about to see some amazing things in the next two years.

          • I think we will. At the same time, it should serve as warning that judgement is a-coming.

          • racarrera

            Amen. God only help me lose patience with ignorant fools.

          • Know that line where Walid deadpannedly asked why Moses went nuts near the end. I think you are getting there.

          • racarrera

            I’d rather make it to the Promised Land, unlike our venerable forefather.

          • Aye, so would I. So would I.

          • Hey, Rudy, check this out:

            After the war broke out in the summer of 1914, the Allies—Britain,
            France and Russia—held many discussions regarding the future of the
            Ottoman Empire, now fighting on the side of Germany and the Central
            Powers, and its vast expanse of territory in the Middle East, Arabia and
            southern-central Europe. In March 1915, Britain signed a secret
            agreement with Russia, whose designs on the empire’s territory had led
            the Turks to join forces with Germany and Austria-Hungary in 1914.
            its terms, Russia would annex the Ottoman capital of Constantinople and
            retain control of the Dardanelles (the crucially important strait
            connecting the Black Sea with the Mediterranean) and the Gallipoli
            peninsula, the target of a major Allied military invasion begun in April
            1915. In return, Russia would agree to British claims on other areas of
            the former Ottoman Empire and central Persia, including the oil-rich
            region of Mesopotamia.

            Source: http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/britain-and-france-conclude-sykes-picot-agreement

            So, this just supports the hypothesis that due to Russia’s collusion with Britain and France, Russia fell victim to communism and atheism almost like a satanic punishment for breaking up the Ottoman Empire.

          • racarrera

            That’s an extremely reasonable assertion, Trevor. Bravo on that one.

          • Well, it just got mighty interesting, “Palestine would have an international administration, as other Christian powers, namely Russia, held an interest in this region.” That’s from the same link I sent.

            This actually lends support to Steve’s argument that Russia was a Christian nation before 1917.

            Satanic punishment, indeed.

          • racarrera

            This is why I wish theology was discussed in Greek. So much has been missed by the West since Augustine’s inability to learn the language. It’s had some really screwy ramifications.

          • Well, Rudy, I am now digging further and just learned something dynamic.

            The Conference of San Remo to settle the question on what to do with the Arabs who were “scandalized” when they learned of the secret Sykes-Picot Agreement which broke whatever agreement the British had with various Arabic tribes, and this was discussed in the research paper I presented. This took place on April 19-26, 1920. Guess who was presented during the conference? Among nations, Japan was there. So, I am starting to see why Ted have long been warning that Japan will revert back to its Imperialism, and news coming out of Japan in trickle are confirming his prediction. Source – http://www.britannica.com/event/Conference-of-San-Remo

            Then there’s the Treaty of Lausanne which took away the Kurds’ promise of having greater autonomy, and that is the treaty why the Kurds are recognized by the United Nations as a people without border.

            Does anybody dare to argue why God foretold that both Iran (Persia) and the Kurds (Medes) will turn their wrath on the Saudi government in the future? History is the silence witness.

            Between you, Rod, Grandmere, and Julie L., you all been my sounding boards. I appreciate your patience.

          • racarrera

            You post wisdom. It’s a pleasure to read.

          • RodK1975

            I like being in the loop…

          • Hey, that research on Sufism, you deserve ton of credits. Couldn’t have done it without your searching and finding those links.

          • RodK1975

            You flatter me too much, my good man…

          • racarrera

            As for Steve, he’s been right on this the whole time. He takes the subject seriously.

          • Catbr

            I am sure Orthodoxy is very dedicated to Mary and her to Orthodoxy. Some people believe Russia was consecrated and others are not so sure, which is no way would reflect on Orthodoxy one way or the other. This consecration is only concerned with communism. Let’s see what Andrew Bieszad’s future post has to say on the subject.

          • Catbr

            I read through maybe half of the third link (orthodox.org/Fatima) and could see it made no sense at all. It contained a watered down limp account regarding Fatima and the church and seems to have been written by someone who hates the church and was very skeptical concerning Fatima. Not very impressive.

          • racarrera

            Then you didn’t read it in its entirety. Most people who do read this don’t see any hatred in it, but that the Orthodox don’t see it as fully credible. If that’s what constitutes hate, then there’s a problem with methodology.

          • Catbr

            If Orthodox doesn’t believe in the Fatima apparitions or Catholicism that’s fine with me. Just one more to add to the list. lol If someone were to degrade my son or daughter or spread lies about them I would consider this to be hatred. No problem in this methodology.

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            Yes, with all due respect to those trying to debunk Our Lady of Fatima as mythical, I also have to agree with you that there are just too many details like the incorruptible body of Bl Jacinta and the Miracle of the Sun to claim otherwise.

            As I have discussed with you about the Australian Church currently being taken to court merely for voicing its teaching that homosexual behavior is sinful and pointing to what homosexual “marriage” has done to North American and Western European churches and business, etc.

            We have a plebiscite/ referendum on homosexual “marriage” this year and the population has been brainwashed. Two of our public broadcasters have refused Christian and Catholic opponents of homosexual “marriage” from being able to air their messages. Indoctrination of Marxism and secularism is rife now.

            I am dreading that the population has been brainwashed into accepting the gay agenda and that we will become the second nation in the world to vote in this abomination. And only a decade ago people were against this. I can’t stand to see what is happening to our Western nations. While all this appears to have occurred so quickly, its roots have been long in the planning with the radical leftists of the 1960s and 70s coming into full bloom now.

            There is also a rise in Satanism and Black Masses. I just read abortion and contraception has been liberalised even further in France.

            The Church in the West is under Marxist persecution. I never thought I would see the Irish being indoctrinated to the point of “voting” for “homosexual marriage” nor the US population. You would totally understand this being in Canada which I have been tracking and noticing how Marxist it has become.

            The liberal tyranny means conservative Christians and all conservatives are being persecuted by the Secular Atheists and all those whom they deploy against us (especially the Islamists).

            I find some cognitive dissonance going on here. Some of those who are arguing that the West is the new Soviet Union at the same are saying the Consecration of Russia was done and/or it is irrelevant? Then why did the “errors of Russia” spread worldwide and there is no world peace if the Consecration was done? The errors particularly spreading to Western Europe and North America just as Sister Lucia of Fatima said.

            There are some Jesuits who are corrupted by modernism (as many are) who are also advocating homosexual “marriage” over here. It is devastating. My brother went to a Jesuit high school and many of them have been compromised by modernism.

            I have been following this since the early 2000s and have great devotion to Our Lady of Fatima. We aren’t required to believe in any of the Marian apparitions but I also have to voice my concern. Thank you for your valuable opinion.

            The Fatima Crusader website http://www.fatimacrusader.com/ and the Fatima Crusader magazine has detailed many geo-political and cultural issues that are hard to deny.

            I cannot interpret life in any other way than through the lens of Our Lady of Fatima’s message. As one of the poster here put it in such a good way, Our Lady does not rise to Her exalted place in Heaven for no reason. She always comes with warnings of repentance and praying the Rosary. How can anybody be against Her!

            And the fact that the papacies have all been consecrated to Our Lady of Fatima and the Immaculate Heart of Mary is all the more important.

            Unfortunately, the issue of the Primacy of the Holy See and the Marian dogma of the Immaculate Heart of Mary (Immaculate Conception) are two of the outstanding issues with the Eastern (and Oriental) Orthodox.

            But I personally don’t get involved in Catholic/Orthodox inter-disputes since these are pointless in the overall scheme of things.

            So in light of how I see the world and current events in the West, I can’t in all honesty believe the Consecration of Russia was validly done. And I can only seek refuge in the Immaculate Heart of Mary in these troubling days.

            Thanks again for your input and God bless you.

          • Catbr

            I agree with all the points you made. These world events just seem all so unreal. But I suppose the world has been headed in this direction for years so it really shouldn’t surprise anyone. Canada seems to be leading other nations in the communist/satanic (same thing) movements such as abortion, gay marriage, dummying down Christianity, pro muslim/islam everything and so on. Other nations eventually follow suit. I’m not sure if the euthanasia issue has completely been passed yet in Canada but the way things look it will go through. Canada (where I live) isn’t what it used to be, but neither are any other democratic countries.
            The problem with the Fatima apparitions is that I don’t think most people know the entire truth of it. I started researching and following this some 10 or more years ago. I consider the resources to be reliable. I decided based on the evidence, as you noted, that it has to be true. Plus the fact that it had been raining hard that day of the last apparition and everyone and the ground was soaking wet. And then after the apparition the ground and everyone present (some 70,000 people) was completely dry. There is other evidence some of which you stated.
            We’re in a dark period with unimaginable and many unknown atrocities happening and all we can do is keep the faith, wait and stay alert.
            Thanks for your reply and God bless you too.

          • Стефан Евгений

            Спасибо брат!!!!!!

          • racarrera

            К вашим услугам, брат!!!

          • Стефан Евгений

            и у вашего.

          • RodK1975

            Translation, por favor? LOL

          • Стефан Евгений

            Spasibo brat ….Thank you brother. In great Russia you say spasibo with a (a) at the end, spasiba ,or in in the west or Ukraine you say the (o) at the end. Hope it helps RodK.

          • RodK1975

            Hehe.. Steve, I used freetranslation.com… 😉 But thanks for entertaining my nosiness… :-))!

          • Стефан Евгений
          • RodK1975

            Awesome, Steve… thanks for posting that, you always post the best pictures…

        • Nan

          St. John Paul II said it was consecrated. I think he’d know.

    • Julie

      Yes again. The Holy Father had to temper his words as not to offend the Orthodox. They have a chip on their shoulder at times, and think the Latins are praying for their conversion, when it is the Soviets and our prayers of praying for the perseverance of the just some how doesn’t reach them.

      Sr Lucia of Fatima said Our Lady accepted it. I believe it because the Soviet Union was preparing for war in 1983 with continual military surges along the Polish border and the falling of Soviet dictators one by one. The last was Andropov, head of KGB and he died suddenly.

      I saw this happening. My son was born within hours of the Soviet downing of the Korean jet over the Sakhalin Islands….very provocative…this under a prior dictator.

  • AnthonyM

    Good article. Coincidently I just heard this morning a CA Podcast #6971 Our Lady of Fatima – Fr. Sebastian Walshe released May 14, 2015. In it he affirmed that the consecution of Russia was done and accepted the 2nd time.
    The discuss on this come up at 9:50 in. But the whole Podcast is worthwhile.

    I hope this link works:

  • Here’s the questions –

    DOES IT matter if Russia was consecrated or not? And second, why only Russia? What makes Russia so special to obtain a special favor of God if the Scriptures clearly states that God is not a respecter of person?

    • AnthonyM

      Russia when it was atheist Communism, was the greatest Global threat.
      And in a general way the world was also consecrated with Russia.
      Also, it seems Russia will play an important part in fighting against and defeating the anti-Christ.

      Now I’m starting to sound like a broken record/CD/DVD/8track, but find the Podcast on Catholic Answers #6971 Our Lady of Fatima – Fr. Sebastian Walshe. Much more detail there.

      • “Russia when it was atheist Communism, was the greatest Global threat.
        And in a general way the world was also consecrated with Russia.
        Also, it seems Russia will play an important part in fighting against and defeating the anti-Christ.”

        What is very interesting is that in 1916, the Tsars gave support to the Sykes-Picot Agreement, and in the following year, the Revolution overthrew the Tsar, starting communism. I do not think this was a coincidence. If, as I have argued in my analysis of the Sykes-Picot which broke the Ottoman’s Empire, then the devil moved to make Russia an atheist nation in order to have the Ottoman’s Empire return, and it would then explain why, here we are nearly 100 years later, we are witnessing convulsions in history because we are getting closer to the 100th anniversary of the Sykes-Picot agreement. Then in 2017, we could see the end of communism in Russia and the final closing of the Revolution. I am trying to think of things in reverse.

        Ironically, for as much grief that America caused and received, it was America and the west who stood against communism. So that gives me hope that God is not through with America in spite of what other Christians think.

        And as for the podcast, I think you forgot I can’t hear those… 🙁

        • AnthonyM

          Nations change slowly, and the cracks in Russian communism began to show in the 80s with Lech Walesa. To me Russia had changed and will be fighting against the Caliphate, instead to the West.

          Sister Lucia reported a vision that the consecration of Russia would usher in a period of world peace but will then usher the wars of End times. In response, Pope Pius XII (1942), Pope John Paul II (1984) and Pope Francis (2013) consecrated the world to the Immaculate Heart, with Pius XII also specifically consecrating “the peoples of Russia” in 1952. Though Sister Lúcia Santos declared that the consecrations of 1984 were accepted in Heaven, some honestly disagree.

          Sorry, I wasn’t aware you have no access to Podcasts. Also available from general web browser access.

          • Grandmere

            Trevor is deaf, Anthony. He cannot hear the podcast, but he surely hears the Shepherd’s voice.

          • mspip

            podcast is nothing compared to hearing from the Shepherd.

          • AnthonyM

            Ooh, my mistake. Thanks for cluing me in. ‘scuse me, I have to go hang some noodles on my ears.

          • Стефан Евгений

            So you are fooling yourself?

          • Nan

            Lech Walesa was Polish. It was Solidarity and St. John Paul II who broke the iron curtain.

          • AnthonyM

            Yes, my point is that it happened over time due to the impact of believing leaders. For example, people even claim Ronald Reagan caused the collapse of the Russia empire with his ‘Tear down this wall’, and broke their economy with the run up in US military spending. I don’t believe the change can be attributed to any one living person, but the combined efforts. Some people had a greater impact than others. The transformation process began shortly after the conversion of Russia was completed.

          • Стефан Евгений

            It started in Russia in 1988 and the discovery of the relics of St Seraphim.

          • AnthonyM

            Had to Wiki St Seraphim as I was not familiar, but they had an interesting line “St. Seraphim’s relics were rediscovered after being hidden in a Soviet anti-religious museum for seventy years.”. What a place to hide relics, who would have thought!

          • Стефан Евгений

            To date every thing has com true 100%. Anthony.

          • susan

            What do you mean? Everything? I’m learning about these wonderful Saints. 🙂

          • Стефан Евгений

            Here, susan this is a part of the article. http://www.symeon-anthony.info/StSeraphimSarov/StSeraphimSarov.htm

            Regarding Tsar Nicholas II: St. Seraphim of Sarov prophesied in clear words about the tragic fate foreordained by God for the Tsar who would be present at the Savor solemnity of faith, when there would be Pascha in the midst of summer (the glorification and canonization of St. Seraphim in 1903). According to his prophecy, if there would be repentance in the Russian people, God would yet have mercy on her, but first He would allow for a time the triumph of lawless men: the Tsar would to overthrown and killed, so that the people might know in experience what life was like under the Tsar anointed by God, and under the rule of men who have trampled underfoot the law of God. St. Seraphim, by revelation from God, wrote in his own hand a letter to the Tsar who would come to Sarov and Diveyevo, entrusting it to his friend Motovilov, who gave it to Abbess Maria, who in turn handed it personally to Emperor Nicholas II in Diveyevo on July 20, 1903. What was written in the letter remains a secret, but one can suppose that the holy elder saw all that was to happen and warned against the frightful events to come… [65]

          • susan

            Thank you. 🙂

          • Стефан Евгений

            Welcome, dear! hope you had a nice Christmas?

          • susan

            I did!! :). I hope you did as well.

          • Стефан Евгений

            I did love the January one,no hub-bub going on,

        • Catbr

          While America and the west stood against communism, this was not enough to defeat it (communism). Our lady of Fatima stated to the 3 peasant children in 1917, that if her requests were not granted (about the consecration of Russia to her immaculate heart) Russia would spread her errors throughout the world, the good would be martyred, many nations would be annihilated and the holy father (the pope) would have much to suffer. I believe communism is going just as strong as ever in many countries and there are many people being martyred. Your research about this Sykes – Picot agreement seems to be significant with this Fatima message. Coincidentally 2017 is the 100th anniversary of these Fatima apparitions and messages.

          • Which is why I am thinking of things in reverse.

        • AnthonyM

          Understood, my mistake. Apologies for my being somewhat slow in the upstairs department.

    • Стефан Евгений

      My reply is pending. on this subject. I personally can’t grasp the obsession.

      • I can’t either.

      • theophorus

        Well it was brought up in the article posted so….

      • AnthonyM

        Is it a cult following if warnings of future calamities and preventive measures are given, and people take it seriously? I would say not a cult, but wisdom.

        • Стефан Евгений

          Anthony, I used the classic meaning for the word cult….a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.”the cult of St. Olaf”

      • Julie LaBrecque

        You might not know of what happened to Archbishop John Cieplak and Msgr. Constantine Budkiewicz – both sentenced to death in 1923 – Cieplak was spared death, only because of international pressure led by the Vatican, Budkiewicz was shot on Easter morning. In the 1930’s, Stalin ordered the killing of any suspected ‘Catholic rebels’, large numbers of Catholics as well as Jews were deported to concentration camps. By 1934, the 3,300 Catholic churches and 2,000 chapels on Russian soil was reduced to only 2 active churches.(‘The Catholic Martyrs of the Twentieth Century”, Royal, p. 144. The Soviet government seized a total of 11,381,009 rubles which belonged to the Catholic Church. Hopefully this sheds a perspective on the issue with Russia.

        • Стефан Евгений

          We all suffered Julie, This is a long read but worth it,


          The August Icon of the Bogoroditsa in 1914

          • Julie LaBrecque

            If you ‘see’ this. then I don’t understand the antagonistic attitude towards Our Lady of Fatima. Whether it be true enough, I think the Orthodox are trying to read into this more than what was meant – it was for Russia as a country, not about the Russian Orthodox. Is it not enough proof that the Jacinta and Francisco both died young, as the Hoy Virgin disclosed – and the Jacinta’s face is incorrupt? And what do you make of the activity of the sun – and how the ground which had been inches deep with mud suddenly dried up?

          • Стефан Евгений

            You are thinking like a Westerner Julie. Under a Tsar the nation/people and Church act in symphony as one. The nation/people. народ- narod act as a Orthodox nation.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            So were Stalin and Lenin Orthodox?

          • Стефан Евгений

            On January 19, 1918 Patriarch Tikhon anathematised
            the Bolsheviks in the following words: “By the power given to Us by God, we
            forbid you to approach the Mysteries of Christ, we anathematise you, if only
            you bear Christian names and although by birth you belong to the Orthodox
            Church. We also adjure all of you, faithful children of the Orthodox Church of
            Christ, not to enter into any communion with such outcasts of the human race:
            ‘Remove the evil one from among you’ (I Corinthians 5.13).”


          • Steve, I’m reading the writing now, and this quote:

            The true Russian Orthodox Church, faithful to Christ to the last, had no alternative but to withdraw into the catacombs,

            stood out for the time being. This is the future of the Church in the whole world. I believe that the Church will be forced to go underground for a time, times, and half before the Glorious Appearing.

          • Catbr

            Things do seem to be heading in this direction. Christianity is under attack now in so many ways around the world. I would never have imagined this even 5 or 10 years ago.

          • Yeah, catacombs church. Why not? Hebrews 11 talked about how the faithful went into desert, caves just so they could worship God.

          • Стефан Евгений

            It is happening this wery hour.

          • Catbr

            In the middle east and China?

          • Стефан Евгений

            Here in the USA

          • Стефан Евгений

            I’m surprised at this question, NO! Lenin, was a Jew as for Stalin, all Soviet athority were Anathema.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            I well knew that they weren’t – I asked a rhetorical question so that you might see the issue from another perspective.

          • Nan

            The problem is that most Russians were Orthodox as the state converted as a whole under Prince Vladimir.

    • richinnameonly

      God will use any nation as he sees fit, but I think the troubling news that the antichrist receives from the north and the east points to something significant arranged by God.

    • Andrew Bieszad

      You will have to wait for the next article about Fatima to find out 🙂

      • You tease, you. 🙂

        I do hope you aren’t one of those Anti-America crowd… :-/

        • susan

          He has severe warnings…but he’s not anti-American anymore than he is about anything else. At least from what I’ve heard on iPod.

  • Стефан Евгений

    Russia was a basket case under communists at the time how could it be a threat?
    The downfall of the Tsar was planed by Britain Germany AND the USA. It was economic competition with the west and had to go.
    The communists could never survived without direct aid from the West, see Anthony Sutton, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_C._Sutton

    this vid is how the commies poisened the Patriarch.

    Cheka against Patriarch Tikhon

  • colin

    The practice of absolution.

    The Bible is clear that only God alone can forgive sins Mark 2:7; Luke 5:21, and Christ, being God, has the power to do so, but He never communicated any such power to His apostles, nor did they ever assume any such power to themselves or pretend to exercise it.

    It is the mark of antichrist to attempt anything of the kind because, in doing so, one usurps the divine prerogative and places himself in God’s seat.

    • Julie LaBrecque

      You are Biblically ignorant – and must be intentionally so. Jesus BREATHED on the Apostles after His resurrection and gave THEM the power to FORGIVE or NOT TO FORGIVE SINS – surely you would agree that someone must HEAR what sins a person has forgiven in order to forgive or NOT to forgive them, for once, read John 20:19-23; then see James 5:13-20′ then tell my why the Catholic Priest St. Paul ordered PUNISHMENT to a sinner ( 1 Cor 5:2-5), then after the sentence of punishment was fulfilled, declared FORGIVENESS TO THE SINNER – in the PERSON OF CHRIST (2 Cor 6-11; these 2 verses alone refute all of protestant theology.

      • theophorus

        It always amazes me how protestants hold the bible so dearly(and good on them) and then ignore the meat of it.

        I should know, I was one for 20 years. I skimmed over John 6, let me tell ya.

        • Julie LaBrecque

          And they ‘supposedly’ derive their theology from St. Paul! The truth of the matter is, they TWIST and isolate St. Paul. I would bet a load of bricks that no protestant sermon ever spoke of St. Paul sentencing a period of punishment to a sinner, then later declaring him forgiven. Can I ask you if your church ever did so?

        • Julie LaBrecque

          And they ‘supposedly’ derive their theology from St. Paul! The truth of the matter is, they TWIST and isolate St. Paul. I would bet a load of bricks that no protestant sermon ever spoke of St. Paul sentencing a period of punishment to a sinner, then later declaring him forgiven. Can I ask you if your church ever did so?

      • colin

        Julie – In the New Testament it teaches that all believers are priests. 1 Peter 2:5-9 describes believers as a “holy priesthood” and a “royal priesthood.”Revelation 1:6 and 5:10 both describe believers as “a kingdom of priests.”

        The New Testament teaches that one’s confession should be as public as the sin, e.g., “And many of those who believed kept coming, and openly confessed their practices.” Acts 19:18. If the sin was against God only, it needs to be confessed only to God 1 John 1:9. If the sin was committed against one or a number of individuals, it should be confessed to God and to those who have been wronged. James 5:16 says, “Confess, therefore, your sins to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be saved.” This means that Christians are to confess to each other and applies to sins committed against each other.”

        Is not the same as confessing sins to a priest as the Roman Catholic Church teaches, as Roman Catholic Church bases their practice of confession to a priest primarily on Catholic tradition.

        John 20:23 If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

        Catholics claim that God gave the apostles the authority to forgive sins and that authority was passed on to the successors of the apostles, i.e., the bishops and priests of the Roman Catholic Church.

        There are several problems with this interpretation

        (1) John 20:23 nowhere mentions confession of sin to a priest.
        (2) John 20:23 nowhere promises or even hints that apostolic authority of any kind would be passed on to the successors of the apostles.
        (3) The apostles never once in the New Testament acted as if they had the authority to forgive a person’s sin.

        Similarly, Catholics point to Matthew 16:19 and 18:18 (binding and loosing) as evidence for the Catholic Church’s authority to forgive sins. The same three above points apply equally to these Scriptures.

        The ability to forgive sins is God’s and His alone Isaiah 43:25. The better understanding of John 20:23 is that the apostles were given the responsibility of declaring with utmost certainty the terms on which God would forgive sins. As the church was being founded, the apostles declared that those who believed the gospel were forgiven Acts 16:31 and those who did not obey the gospel faced judgment 2 Thessalonians 1:8; 1 Peter 4:17. As the apostles proclaimed salvation in Christ Acts 10:43 and exercised church discipline 1 Corinthians 5:4–5, they were wielding the authority Christ had given them.

        Again, the concept of confession of sin to a priest is taught nowhere in Scripture. We are to confess our sins to God 1 John 1:9. As New Covenant believers, we do not need mediators between us and God. We can go to God directly because of Jesus’ sacrifice for us. 1 Timothy 2:5 says, “For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.”

        Don’t know what 2 Corinthians 6:11 O ye Corinthians, our mouth is open unto you, our heart is enlarged. Has to do with confessing sins to priest

        • Julie LaBrecque

          There is quite a difference in the Ministerial Priesthood versus the Lay Priesthood. Do you think that you have the power NOT to forgive someone who sins against you? I ask you to think on this.

          • susan

            “Forgive us our trespasses


            We forgive those who trespass against us.”

            I added this for Collin. 🙂

          • Julie LaBrecque

            That is it!

          • And even Jesus warned that if we do not forgive others of their sins, either would God forgive us of our sins.


      • Tom_mcewen

        In Sherlock Holmes the verse The Butler did it, is clear and damning. But the paragraphs, chapters and the book modify its meaning. A verse in isolation is an idol. The only way protestant theology can work is on the verse level in isolation.

  • susan

    and the debate continues…what a mess…

  • Why do fundies lie about the practices of others?

    • The really slim shady

      “This will be the time of the decisive battle between the Blessed Virgin and the devil.”
      I would consider that deifying Mary over Christ.

      • Nan

        Or responding to Revelation.

        • The really slim shady

          Where is this decisive battle between Mary and the devil recorded in Revelation?
          Im guessing you mean Revelation 12?

      • Julie LaBrecque

        Guess you missed Bible 101 – Genesis 3:15 – Mary and the devil are in enmity – that means warfare.

        • The really slim shady

          “Enmity – a very deep unfriendly feeling” – mw online dictionary

          You are exaggerating a bit. There is no war, because the devil only has authority he is ALLOWED – he has no power of his own.
          Its not a fight, Satan is already under complete obedience.

          “Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.” Hebrews 2:8
          That is – there is nothing that is not under Jesus, even though it might not seem like it yet. He has already won (by being God), theres not ever going to be a battle between Mary and the devil, or God and the devil for that matter.
          The “Battle” of Armageddon is nothing more than a one-sided bloodbath.
          The Revelation battle in heaven is between the devil/demons and Michael/angels – why, when, and how is not elaborated on.

          So then, to say Mary is going to fight the devil is completely biblically unfounded – as well as giving her credit for something that God has already done, thus elevating her to a level of godhood.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            “For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.” Ephesians 6:12 . Get a grip – we all have our share in the battle – wake up. The last enemy to be defeated is DEATH – so the war wages.

          • The really slim shady

            Were sort of getting off topic, but thats ok.
            Death is already defeated, as the verse in Hebrews 2 points out.
            “So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
            O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
            The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
            But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.” 1 Corinthians 15:54-57
            We have no fear of death, and its not thanks to Mary – its thanks to God, whos given us victory through Jesus.

            Im not trying to say we arent fighting to win souls, but a war we are not in.
            Its like were in a football game thats 99-0 in the first quarter, games over, even though the time hasnt run out.
            But even that is giving the devil too much credit – hes not even going to drive the ball – he cant, unless God allows him to move the ball.
            How is that a war?

            Our purpose is to be like the moon – reflecting the Son. Were supposed to be a light in darkness. Were not fighting anybody, at least not for Christ.

          • You are telling us that the saints do not participate on the war on Satan?

            Secondly, if you search “Mary” and “Shoebat” and “Revelation 11-12” on google, there are a few articles showing the biblical evidence you are asking about. Have you read these articles?

          • The really slim shady

            Im saying “war” suggests that Satan has power of his own.
            We are not waging, or waiting to wage, war on Satan – we are merely waiting for Christ to cast him into the bottomless pit.
            Christ has already claimed victory.

            I dont think ive read the articles youre referring to, unless theyve been posted since ive been coming around.
            But i think i have a pretty good feel for the views you and your friends have regarding Revelation 11 and 12.
            I just tend to disagree. One day all will be revealed.

          • susan

            Don’t just “tend to disagree”. Know WHY you believe what you believe. I “tend to agree” that the closer one gets to the sun, the hotter it will get. Then why is there snow on mountains? Don’t drift. Grab a paddle and strike out in a direction.

          • The really slim shady

            I know exactly why i believe what i believe.
            I tend to disagree with many of the people on here regarding interpretation of Revelation. I have plenty of reasons why, but those things weve discussed in other articles – didnt feel the need to bring them up again.
            But if youd like me to….

      • Bobby

        Evil and not Biblical. The woman is Israel and 12 stars the 12 tribes. God will not share His Glory with another. The King James, New King James Bibles are exactly in line with the full Isaiah and the other Dead Sea scrolls. And the 25,0000 same, original New Test. copies. No contradictions, the same. There are rare places where the much more descriptive Greek New and better Covenant, are harder to get into English, but the meaning is the same. Old Test, Hebrew, both are the only 2 languages where letters have numerical value. God, 3 in One God. Will not share His Glory with another. Lord Jesus is the fullness of the Godhead, bodily. Not religion and traditions of men. The woman, Isaiah 66:8-11 prophecy of israel born as a nation again in a day. Hosea,many others. Matthew 24 is to the fig tree, Israel in the after soon Rapture, 7 years on earth. Read both Rev.12 with that. This pope is a, and could be the false prophet.The one world harlot, false religious leader, the false prophet. The antichrist’s sidekick. He looks like a lamb and speaks like the dragon.Heresies admitted in this article, are damnable abominations and minimized. He’s pushing one world gov’t and one world religion. Says people who reject Christ will go to Heaven. A lie from the pits of hell. Rev,17 sure describes Rome and the coming false one world harlot religion. Lord Jesus ‘Do not be deceived.’ God bless you and yours!

        • The really slim shady

          Im with you. I sure see Rome being the false prophet.

          They preach a different gospel.

  • I’ll second this.

    • Стефан Евгений

      Rudy, people forget that my father was a Catholic. so this is not coming from Catholic bigotry, if i trash Catholics then i would be trashing my father. I remember the church before Vat2.

      • I’m sympathetic to your position. I was born into a split Catholic-Lutheran family, and am in something of a similar spot. However, my grandfather, on knowing I would convert to Orthodoxy, was utterly supportive, and before he reposed, a Romanian Priest took him in and prayed the Psalms for him as he passed away. I, too, have no ill will toward the RCC, but see them as schismatic (I know that word sounds bad, but it is what it is), but containing valid sacraments and apostolic succession.

  • Jeff Benton

    Have you ever seen a cross at a non Catholic Church??? Is that a graven image??? What about the water in the Baptismal?? Are you deifying it by allowing yourself to be dunked under to be “Buried with Jesus Christ”???

    What was the Staff of Moses??? How come the Staff of Moses was used in performing Miracles??? God certainly didn’t need Moses to use that staff, yet Moses was told to use it…

    So tell me, Since God Almighty has never once needed to use people to perform miracles, why is it that God so often DOES use peeps to perform miracles???

    What are idols? Is a picture of Jesus and Mary an Idol to a foreign god???
    IS a statue of Saint Francis sitting in someones garden where they meditate from time to time on God Almighty, is that statue an Idol to a foreign god???

    You peeps keep getting me in trouble with Jesus Christ you know… For how can I resist calling peeps that spout stuff like you have here “Window Lickers” when it is so obvious that you have not spent one minute using that God given brain of yours….

    Try reading the Bible spiritually for a change… And while your at it, toss in a bit of common sense when you do…
    It’s not rocket science….

    • colin

      “Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone — AN IMAGE OR ART MADE BY MANS DESIGN OR SKILL. In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. Acts 17:29-30

      • Jeff Benton

        Which applies directly to the pagans worshiping idols of foreign gods made of gold silver or stone…
        Not to Christians with a stone statue of St. Francis in their Garden LOL…
        And you are truly a Window Licker if you believe otherwise…
        Use your head…
        What is an idol???
        Do you even know???
        It appears you dont…
        Here is a HUGE hint… It is not a statue of a Saint of God or of an Angel of God and it is not a picture of Jesus and Mary…
        The Cross you see in churches everywhere is also not an idol to a foreign god nor are any of the above a graven image of a foreign god or it’s earthly representatives…
        You teach error…
        Just Sayin…

        • colin


      • theophorus

        THE DIVINE BEING! Do you even read what you write? We should not think that the DIVINE BEING is like gold or silver or stone. NO Catholic thinks as STATUE IS GOD!

        I mean seriously that’s the best you’ve got?

        • colin

          Don’t you know that the second council of Nicea decreed that an image of God was as proper an object of worship as God Himself.

          It is shamefully inexcusable that the Greek and Roman churches paganized the worship of the Christian Church by the encouragement of pictures and images in religious service!

          • Стефан Евгений

            Again Colin, you twist and miss quote.

            Seventh Session (October 13, 787) — The council issued a declaration of faith concerning the veneration of holy images.

            It was determined that “As the sacred and life-giving cross is everywhere set up as a symbol, so also should the images of Jesus Christ, the Virgin Mary, the holy angels, as well as those of the saints and other pious and holy men be embodied in the manufacture of sacred vessels, tapestries, vestments, etc., and exhibited on the walls of churches, in the homes, and in all conspicuous places, by the roadside and everywhere, to be revered by all who might see them. For the more they are contemplated, the more they move to fervent memory of their prototypes. Therefore, it is proper to accord to them a fervent and reverent adoration, not, however, the veritable worship which, according to our faith, belongs to the Divine Being alone — for the honor accorded to the image passes over to its prototype, and whoever venerate the image venerate in it the reality of what is there represented.”

            Colin there are two diffrent greek word you hava a hard time with δουλεία, douleia =Veneration and λατρεία lateria = worship of the God head, NOWERE do we Orthodox Worship Holy Icons!

            If you are so repulsed to use Icons whu do you still have one?

          • Rapheal Sebastian

            And the demonic rat with halitosis is shamed after being exposed as a twister of facts and truth and a complete liar.

          • Стефан Евгений

            Can’t pull this over an Old Hunkie, that is a put down for Eastern European workers . I use it with pride.

          • colin

            Spouting off before listening to the facts is both shameful and foolish.

            See my reply above.

          • Rapheal Sebastian

            Pfft, I want nothing to do with your kind, you are a LIAR and twister of facts. Get behind me satan!

          • colin

            Стефан Евгений: – The word you provided – δουλεία, douleia does not mean veneration it means slavery, bondage, the condition of a slave.

            Here is a link the strongs concordance where you can find out the meaning.


            In the Bible not only does not recognize such a distinction, it denies it, both lexicographically (both lateria and douleia
            trace back to biblical usages and both terms refer to divine worship) as well as by direct assertion.

            Paul refers to the idolatry that marked the pagan past of the Galatians as “service” in Galatians 4:8

            Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service (douleia) unto them which by nature are no gods.

          • Стефан Евгений

            Another blow hard asshat! it originally meant, a dog licking a masters hand…..a servent giving obeisance to the master. not a slave as the Strongs said it is a poor source Colin, , http://enc.slider.com/Enc/Doulos

          • colin

            Стефан Евгений: Hold on – stop moving the goal posts; the word you first used was douleia..

            The link you used was for the Douloi

            Now by reading the artcile I can see you didn’t read the article you posted…

            from your article with the word you first quoted..

            Aristotle (who was in favor of douleia) mentioned that some philosophers in Athenian Democracy were against douleia and they wanted the abolishment of it.

            Aristotle was all for “dog licking the master hand” while other wanted to abolish “dog licking the master hand”

            I don’t think so…

            So away you go dog and lick your idols.

          • Стефан Евгений

            again you twist,,here is the segment at the top i wished for you to see.

            Doulos (plural form: Douloi), translated from Greek, means a worker who has no voting rights in order to vote for the decisions that affect his community, and who is forced to obey to commands and laws decided by other person(s). On the contrary, a free person (eleutheros) is defined as a person who has voting rights, and is subjected to nobody except only to laws that have been decided using majoritarianism voting method. In between them there is a metic (metikos), meaning immigrant guest or visitor, who has no voting rights, but who is also not forced to obey to commands and laws decided by other person(s), and has the right to leave the community in case he dont wants to obey.

            The word “douleia”, used often by contemporary Greeks, is translated as “work”, and this is not by chance. Additionally, the accurate translation of the word slave is “sklavos”. This shows that Greeks distinguish “doulos” from slave. also see here

            the way the Strongs works you can’t use it to translate the bible couse it only uses the root word not the context.

            Although the Greek words in Strong’s Concordance are numbered 1–5624 editions of Strong’s, the numbers 2717 and 3203–3302 are unassigned due to “changes in the enumeration while in progress”. Not every distinct word is assigned a number, but only the root words. For example, αγαπησεις is assigned the same number as αγαπατε – both are listed as Greek word #25 in Strong’sαγαπαω.

            Strong’s Concordance is not a translation of the Bible nor is it intended as a translation tool. The use of Strong’s numbers is not a substitute for professional translation of the Bible from Hebrew and Greek into English by those with formal training in ancient languages and the literature of the cultures in which the Bible was written.


          • colin

            I used strongs, the greek lexicon and referenced to scriptures to get an understanding…

            Gal 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

            The word “servant” is doulos it also means a slave, bondman, man of servile condition.

            Gal 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.

            “ye did service” is douleuō to be a slave, serve, do service.

            Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

            The word bondage is douleuō to be a slave, serve, do service

            Now at the start of all this you said “douleia” was veneration; now after some exchanges in a biblical sense it is a servant who is in bondage providing a service to a Master and in particular the verses above regarding Idolatry.

          • Стефан Евгений

            Colin, I was pointing out to you that you can’t rely on Strongs to give you the proper context in Greek, it only gives the Root Word.
            Just look at Iconodule it has douleia in the word, Pay attention to the context, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iconodule This is what the document at NICEA II was refering to when it used douleia.

          • Rjk

            Are pictures on your wall of family and friends, are they idols. The reason for pictures and icons from the early church was that many people were illiterate and didn’t comprehend and Bibles weren’t readily available as they are today. So they gave the people images for better understanding, they didn’t worship them it just brought better understanding. A picture is worth a thousand words.

      • Bilbo

        Why do you put out your own prized statue of Mary every Christmas for your children to look at and ponder, you using it as a tool to explain the birth of Christ as they gaze and ponder the baby Jesus statue? ;-D

  • colin

    Some Mercy!

    Archbishop Fisichella suggested that some criticisms of Pope Francis might result in automatic excommunication.

    Archbishop Fisichella made his remarks while explaining how Pope Francis’s new “Missionaries of Mercy” will operate. The 800 “missionaries” will have the power to absolve from penalties previously reserved to the Holy See.

    In reference to Canon 1370, which imposes automatic excommunication for “physical violence” against the Roman Pontiff, Archbishop Fisichella said:

    “I would say that we need to understand well ‘physical violence,’ because sometimes words, too, are rocks and stones, and therefore I believe some of these sins, too, are far more widespread than we might think.”

    • Nan

      Why is that a problem? He’s cautioning his flock to tone down their rhetoric against Pope Francis. The Missionaries of Mercy will be allowed to absolve sins reserved to the Apostolic Penitentiary. All that means is absolution will be easier to find; rather than giving a pseudonym to the priest in confession, who sends information to Rome, waits for a response and waits for the person who gave the pseudonym to show up in confession to be told the result, you can go to one of the Missionaries and confess the sin and receive absolution.

      While you seem concerned about the expansion of physical violence to words that Abp. believes cross the line, it’s things like defiling the Host, breaking the seal of confession, or a priest who has committed a sin against the 6th commandment offering absolution to his accomplice that are the typical sins.

      Note that if you overhear someone in the confessional you’re also bound by the seal of confession.

  • RodK1975

    Awesome, Steve..

    • Стефан Евгений

      Rodk, My father was a Traditional latin Mass Catholic his whole 86 years of life.
      He said his salvation did not depend on accepting Fatima, or any other visions of Mary. For me there are too many missing part to the puzzle.

      • Rapheal Sebastian

        I agree.

      • RodK1975

        I tend to be a “Cautionarian” LOL… So, for me it’s just a personal caution I have about modern prophecies, visions and so forth. Your dad sounds like he was a very wise man. BTW, that painting you posted is fantastic!

        • Careful, Rod, you might end up starting a new movement.

          If you could see, I have on a wolfish grin.

          • RodK1975

            I like my new word “Cautionarian” … lol

          • :-))

            We are going to get into trouble with the Head Chef.

  • Great article, Walid. Supposedly, the consecration of the world made by Pope John Paul with ‘special mention of Russia’ was ‘accepted by heaven’ according to Sister Lucia – the only living visionary at the time. Russia’s current opposition to the radical homosexual agenda and their war on ISIS appear to be fruits of the consecration, IMHO. Lastly, I believe an angel first appeared in Fatima in 1916. With that in mind, one could consider THIS YEAR as the 100th anniversary.

  • Dear heavens! We HONOR Mary. And BTW, do you have pictures of loved ones in your home? Why? To remind yourself of them and feel close to them. You don’t ‘love’ the pictures, you love the people they represent.

  • Tom_mcewen

    I am leery of trusting prophecy, there are thousands and thousands of protestant prophecies on utube and they are all a statistical anomaly, random chance says some should come true just by accident, but none do. I don’t think God believes them either. We shall see, the Church is true. I have faith in the saints, both Catholic and Orthodox, zero in protestantism.

    • I feel the same way about people making prophecy.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Thanks for the link – very interesting, esp the convergence of the date, Nov 16.

  • Стефан Евгений

    I disagree Julie, That Russia was a threat in 1917 it was ascending Golgotha at the time, See being Russian we make a distinction between Russia, and the Soviet Union

    • Julie LaBrecque

      So had she said ‘the Soviet Union’ rather than Russia, then it would be OK?

      • Стефан Евгений

        THAT is the key words she/it used, that is why i don’t buy into the Fatima cult. The Church and State still resided in the person of the Tsar. Who was alive at the time. I do not think this was the Bogoroditsa.

        Increasing evidence show that That Tsar Nicolas never abdocated, the document is fake.


        • Nan

          Fatima was considered prophecy though so not contingent upon the state of the country at that moment. This is separate from the countries that wanted war and sent Lenin back to town. However, you know from the history of the Czars that there were dissidents – didn’t Lenin’s brother participate on an attempt on a Czar’s life? That element was present without the involvement of outsiders.

          Note also that Czar Nicholas had allegedly abdicated on March 15; true or not, that was believed, and that the apparitions took place between May and Oct. He wasn’t in charge at the time of the apparitions.

          I would expect you not to believe that it was the Bohoritza since you’re Orthodox.

        • Julie LaBrecque

          Now its a ‘cult’? Whether or not the abdication was faked or not, the Tsar was killed and all his heirs.

          • Стефан Евгений

            I used the classic meaning for the word cult….a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.”the cult of St. Olaf”

          • Seraphim2478

            Spaceba brat! Where was I should have heated up samovar and poured a hot cup of tea and followed this important discussion, oh we’ll better late then never!!

          • Стефан Евгений
        • susan

          But wasn’t the Soviet Union made up of Russians? It was a struggle of ideas among the Russian people? And communism won? She wouldn’t call Russia the Soviet Union. She knew the real name…Russia.

          P.S. I have no idea about Fatima. I’m just watching from the sidelines. 🙂

  • Someone more disturbing than me? Hard to imagine.

    Its easy if you try.

  • Jeff Benton

    Well said!!!

  • Julie LaBrecque

    I did so on Christmas Eve, luckily enough at the Old St. Joseph parish in downtown OKC right across the street from where the Satanist Adam Daniels desecrated a statue of Mary while we were inside the Church celebrating the Christmas Vigil Mass.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Someone has to know about it or be involved for it to be valid? Jesus’ healing of the centurion’s servant at the request of the centurion is a perfect example of this.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    So you don’t see punishment as grace? Why does scripture tell us that God chastises every son he loves, and that if we are without chastisement, then we are BASTARDS and NOT SONS You seem stuck of forgiveness of sins with NO PENANCE as well as refusing to confess your sins orally as scripture says to do.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    What a confluence of dates – thanks for the heads-up- further, Francis was the Bishop of Buenos Aires during the time when the Miracle of the Eucharist occurred there in 1996 – and he ordered photos be taken of it and ordered the investigation and testing – which was discovered to be Heart Tissue – same test results as the Miracle of Lanciano.

  • colin

    When Ahab saw Elijah, he said to him, “Is it you, you disturber of Israel?

    It seems that I stand with good company…

  • Nan

    I’ll pray for your wife’s return to the True Church.

  • colin

    Okay so I did a google search for a prayer for Mary… this is what it came up with..

    My Queen, My Mother, I offer
    myself entirely to thee.
    And to show my devotion to thee,
    I offer thee this day, my eyes,
    my ears, my mouth, my heart,
    my whole being without reserve.
    Wherefore, good Mother, as I am thine own, keep me, guard me as thy property and possession.

    There is no slithering away from it that’s idolatry…

    • Julie LaBrecque

      That prayer may very well have been recited by her Son Jesus – would you like to accuse Jesus of idolatry.
      “Her CHILDREN rise UP and called HER BLESSED.” Proverbs 31:28 You obviously are not one of her children – yet I bet you claim that Jesus is your brother -what hypocrisy!

      • And her husband also. In that case, Joseph.

        And it also declares because of the wife’s virtue, her husband is known even in the gate, meaning that his reputation is greatly enhanced by his wife. It’s the definition of a beautiful marriage God intended in the garden.

        Joseph and Mary, match made in heaven and ordained, blessed by God. Joseph, devout and just according to the Gospels’ account, took a great risk in accepting Mary. He took quite a leap of faith, and I am so glad he did.

        Reading the Protoevangelium of James gave me some insight into Mary. Quite interesting that her mother made the quote that Mary would repeat, “My soul magnifies the Lord.”

        • Julie LaBrecque

          Very ‘Hannahesque’.

          • Ah, Samuel’s mother. Very good.

            There’s an interesting parallel between Samson’s birth and Christ’s birth. Well, not quite a striking parallel, but it’s almost a mirror image.

    • Bilbo

      Colin, I know you’ll agree with the scriptural visitation by angels. Take a look at, for example, the older movie about Our Lady of Lourdes featuring Loretta Young. A young Bernadette shares her vision of an angelic visitation. The priest then TELLS her she saw mother Mary, Bernadette says “sure”. This is how I think these things happen, an angelic visitation that gets gilded. I’m trying to state this from my Prot background.

      But, Colin, a predeceased Moses showed up to Jesus on the mount, so God felt it was okay to do. Biblically, there would be nothing to preclude Mary from visiting the face of the earth after her death. I really can’t go with Mary’s dead body being carried to heaven but, then, Moses dead body had apparently been carried to heaven, and Mary really does hold an elevated position in the kingdom of God. Mary, the mother of Christ, blessed above all women. I lose a biblical argument with a Catholic regarding a possible visitation by Mary.

      Now the Bible clearly states there is one intercessor between man and God, Christ Jesus, so praying to Mary or saints is another thing I personally don’t go with, no scripture otherwise. But I except this by saying those who pray to Mary and the saints are in no wise praying to a demonic OT queen of heaven and her devils. On the very best light to your claim, stating this is Satanic or necromancy is rhetorical and fallacious, as these folks simply don’t pray to demonic beings, as Mary and the saints are fully alive and heavenly Christian residents. At most, it would be erroneous and not heretical.

      What I tell every Christian, Colin, is that there is no RC, no Baptist, no Orthodox, no Anglican. There is just one undivided body of Christ, all believing Christians. We must withdraw from secondary considerations that would cause division. We’ll be all in the same FEMA center soon enough and these oh so important doctrinal differences will be quickly forgotten when we face our death together.

  • Nan

    Yes. It’s typically the Cathedral. The information should be on the diocesan website.

  • Nan

    I assume you know that Public Revelation died with the Last Apostle. Although Fatima is an approved apparition, it’s still a private reveleation and the Catholic Church teaches that we’re not bound by private revelation.

    • Стефан Евгений

      I knew it was something like that Nan, Thanks! My father said it that way. He was a Latin Mass Catholic BTW.

  • The really slim shady

    Great way to say it.
    Religion clouds Jesus’ simple, free gift.

    • Lidia

      Happy New Year Slim!!!

      • The really slim shady

        Happy new year!
        I take it its not 1989 anymore.

  • Nan

    Dude, Saint Pius X complained about Modernism so according to that, you didn’t grow up in the Catholic Faith before it was perverted by Modernism. Nor must you know the younger priests, who are faithful to Tradition with many learning EF Mass and attracting many to their reverent Masses in whichever form.

  • Julie, before 1917, the Tsar of Russia gave their blessing to the Sykes-Picot Agreement which happened in 1916. Don’t forget that Russia have fought wars against the Ottoman Empire, and I think they were more than eager to lend their support to breaking up the Ottoman Empire. It is the only plausible explanation I have to why suddenly in 1917, the Revolution murdered the Tsarist and plunged Russia into the darkness of communism.

  • susan

    One of our Priests wisely pointed out that Putin listens to the Pope–unlike some in authority.

  • Joe M

    It sounds like an attempt by the Romans to blackmail Russia and France and any other country that doesn’t convert to Roman Catholicism. It is not that l don’t believe that the children at Fatima saw the vision of Mary and heard her concerns about corruption and apostasy to come to the Roman Catholic Church, which did come, l believe, and may grow worse likely, but it is a sign of that corruption to blackmail countries into making their only form of Christian worship to be that which is stipulated by the Roman Catholic Church. So, yet again the Popes and Vatican twisted the message given to the children for their own purpose, and withheld what Mary wanted to be made public. If it was meant to be secret, Mary would not have appeared in public to children in a small village, she would have stayed in Heaven or she would have appeared to the Pope in private in the Vatican or his garden at the Vatican. So, the Roman Catholic hierarchy are guilty of blackmailing countries into Roman Catholicism, and away from Protestant forms of worshipping God, and they are guilty of twisting the message given to the children, and they are a disgrace and arrogant to withhold the message or part of it by making it secret, thus only quess work and speculation makes the message impotent!

    Jesus Christ is the Rock on which his Church is built!

    • Bilbo

      Baptists believe in heavenly visitations that are in the Bible but none otherwise, no matter how biblical.

      Joe M., I wasn’t saved on Easter morning 1975 on a foggy mountain top in the Shenandoahs because of a Bible or church or an evangelist, all of which I despised at the time. First God the Father, then God the Son, spoke to me by the Holy Spirit in an audible voice while I was still in a sinful state that I can only describe as demonic; God’s word which He spoke freed me and saved me. A communion service with wine and bread, administered by my dear mother, sealed the covenant on that cold, wet morning. The ONLY reason I believe in the Bible is because God does. The Bible, within itself, can save no one. Only the call from God to His chosen can save anyone.

  • Kamau41

    The quote comes from the concluding paragraph of Frère Michel findings pertaining to the “Third Secret” from the link within the article. Review below:

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Seventh Day Adventist is a false religion.

  • Julie LaBrecque
  • Julie LaBrecque

    Do you confess your sins to your church’s leader – and does he issue a penance for you to perform – and why no Ministerial Priesthood in your church? What protestants refuse to acknowledge, is that our sins require not only confession, but to make amends for – I will ask you to explain, something no protestant that I have ever asked can explain: “Above all, let your charity for one another be intense because LOVE COVERS A MULTITUDE OF SINS.”- 1 Peter 4:8

  • He won’t e responding since I sent him to the dog house.

    • Julie LaBrecque

      Victory Lap! Hoping the next one is when Trump is elected!

      • Yes, but I hear Obama won’t spend any time in the dog house. He wants to become the U.N man.

        • Julie LaBrecque

          Very interesting since the next election for a new Secretary General is in 2016.

  • Andy Holland

    Even Saint Seraphim of Sarov warned Russia about Russia as all the Saints did. According to him and Saint John Bosco in the West, the Orthodox and Catholics will reconcile in an eighth ecumenical council built on the two pillars or anchorages of the veneration of the Mother of God and the adoration of the Real Presence (Monstrance in the West).

    We argue over nothing. America is probably the greatest evil empire today with abortion, clown government giving the world nukes (I was in graduate Nuclear Engineering classes with Iranians in the 80s), and continuing the evil ideology of Marx, Lenin, Stalin, the idiocy of Darwin etc…..

    The Roman Catholics were given a great Icon made in the Church Triumphant as a clear sign of Holy Mary’s protection called our Lady of Guadalupe, impossible written on Burlap and with the Icon of Saint Juan Diego reflected in her eye when examined by microscope:

    Of course if we Christians were doing God’s will, perhaps these miracles would not be so necessary. We need to end the circular firing squad.

    • Julie LaBrecque

      The discovery of the images in her eyes was beyond startling – as only a live eye has the ability to have an image in it! I am ready for the unification – and hopefully it happens prior to the unification of Islam.

  • Michellemaria

    You have an absolute cheek to even consider yourself Christian! Go wash your mouth out with thick bleach!!!!

  • Doc

    When dealing with prophecies supposedly received from God regarding what is to happen in our modern era, one must always remember the cautionary words of Jesus: “Take care that no one deceive you.” I will make note of Pope Francis’s so-called predictions, and keep them in mind so I can refer back to them to see if they come true or not, just as I would the prophecies of evangelical sources. For your amusement, if not edification, here is a website purporting to publish nothing but the “prophetic words” given to modern Christians. Curiously, most of them predict 2016 will be the beginning of a lot of horrible things. http://z3news.com/w/category/prophecies/

    So I take all such modern prophecies as “duly noted, but not necessarily heeded.” Only when some of these so-called modern day prophets demonstrate a track record of accuracy will I follow their “predictions.” Remember, they used to stone false prophets; now we just blog about them.

  • Grandmere

    Thanks be to God.

  • racarrera

    Reading junk like that only shows that you’d rather avoid history and read comic book-style literature like this. You’re smarter than this.

  • racarrera

    Why are you using ‘beloved’ in the manner of Paul? You hate Apostolic Christians, and yet you use their words?

  • Bilbo

    Can trolls cult, too?

  • Rapheal Sebastian

    So you know how to start “blogin”, but you certainly do not know how to start thinkin’. Spare us your cult’s lies and slanders. Take a look at your founders and see them for the occultists and soothsayers they are.

  • Tom_mcewen

    What is an alter boy, something else then a boy ? We have an altar.

  • Tom_mcewen

    Would it help if you thought of her as bearer of God. Russia needed any prayers it could get, I know Russians are proud, but she is not an enemy. You russians can pray for us now.

    • Стефан Евгений

      Tom, the problem is not the title we give the Bogoroditsa, but was the Fatima vision Real, was it the Bogoroditsa?

      • Tom_mcewen

        We are not required to accept any private vision or visitation. Time will tell, but the bishops accepted it as supernatural and not against scripture or doctrine. The USSR was evil not russia or Russians. This battle between Catholics and Orthodox has gone on too long

  • RodK1975

    Very rarely have I been completely stricken speechless… yet, this was one of those occasions…

  • Rapheal Sebastian

    You defy Paul then as he said 2 Thess 2:15. You then defy 1 Timothy 3:15 as well. If you claim to be bible believing whatever then you need to believe all of the teachings not just the ones you like and defy the ones you don’t. The very fact that you believe in the bible alone is a man made tradition, you have just exposed yourself as a worshiper of men. Namely Luther and all those that are part of the Protestant heresy from which you derive all if not most of your beliefs..you are so deluded that you think you are anything like Jesus when He was accused of having the spirit of evil. You on the other hand are too blind to see your cult’s errors, I ask you one thing, try to say that you plan to leave your church, see how they react. You will see how they will try to destroy you, your family an your relationships. That is a hallmark of a cult. Go ahead experiment that for yourself.

    If you believe in the bible then what your founders are should be clear to you, they are nothing but occultists and soothsayers. You twist scripture to suit your agenda, for certainly you twist distort and even misquote scripture when clearly Jesus was talking to the scribes and Pharisees when He said they worship in vain, you like them are a hypocrite, you like them are a vile slanderer, you like them and all of us will be judged. May you realize your folly and repent.

  • Rapheal Sebastian

    You should flee from the perverted demonic Ellen G White and her demonic banner. Come out of the perversion of truth and denounce the banner of the SDA evil cult. Then let God be in control of your life and not what those cultists and worshipers of Ellen G White tell you, deny that dead woman and come to God.

  • Joe M

    Colin, l have heard you have been banned by Walid. This article that l am replying to was destructive to you. You should not have said that thing Colin. It was ridiculous and not true!

    I am sorry because you made many good true points and you have let others down and should behave in a responsible way. You should remember always who your Lord is! No doubt you have begged Jesus forgiveness for this behaviour. Jesus didn’t tell you to say such a thing! I pray for you Colin. Take my rebuke and improve your performance in the future. God bless you brother Colin.

  • The really slim shady

    I agree with you, but please, for the sake of everybody – paragraph breaks!

  • The really slim shady

    I agree with you that Satan hates and wants to destroy hmanity, but even still – its not a war.
    Satan is still powerless, because Christ has overcome.
    The saints arent at war with the devil, who is already defeated.
    And all the devil can do is make us stumble, he cant take us from the hand of God.

  • Rapheal Sebastian

    Oh please! You need God more than your conspiracy theories and utterly nonsensical teachings by your Ellen G White that Catholics are out to kill you, I assure you none of us care about the SDA or Ellen G White and her sorcery, occultism and soothsaying. No Catholic or Orthodox is out to kill you.

    If your cult needs to pay and actor to allegedly discredit Catholics and the Orthodox posing as a fake Cardinal who doesn’t even know how to use a biretta and spout nonsense about Catholics and Orthodox, then how credible can your cult be or the teachings of your so called religion be truth? Come out of Ellen G White’s cult, save your soul, choose God over an evil woman that is completely demonic.

    • “Ellen G White that Catholics are out to kill you”

      Perhaps they saw that photo of yours and reached that conclusion without realizing that you were simply jack rabbit hunting, Raphael.

      • Rapheal Sebastian

        Hahaha! Yes, I wasn’t SDA hunting for sure.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Neither was her seed Jesus.

  • “The woman is Israel”

    How about in Revelation 11-12, is the woman “Israel” “Israel and The Church” or also “Israel and the Church and Mary”?

    My second question is: who killed Goliath: 1) the rock, 2) David 3) God?

    My third question: could the biblical text at times have a triune interpretation?

  • “Also, the forbidden praying to the dead.”

    You mean “intercession of the dead”.

    How about intercession of the living. Is that forbidden too?

    The second question is regarding the saints when they are absent of the body are the dead or are they living present with the Lord?

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Perhaps you need to read the Intro of Proverbs 31 : The words of Lemuel, king of Massa, THE ADVICE WHICH HIS MOTHER GAVE HIM.” Isaiah 7:14 states that the VIRGIN will conceive and bear a Son – are you trying to tell us that ISRAEL WAS A VIRGIN? There is no hope for people like you, trying to understand a book written by Eastern people for an EASTERN AUDIENCE.

  • The really slim shady

    I dont disagree with you.
    Merely stating that there isnt a war between God and the devil (even moreso, not Mary and the devil).
    There isnt really a war for souls either, as God has given everyone the ability to choose what they want for themselves.
    Satans power is quite irrelevant, as hes doomed already.

    • susan

      Whoa! Do you have scripture or church teachings to back these claims?

      • The really slim shady

        Sure do, would you like to hear them?

        • susan

          Okay. Let’s start with what you said earlier. “Satan is powerless”
          How did you come to believe this?

          • The really slim shady

            I’ve been writing and rewriting this, trying to figure out the best way to say this. And I’ve finally figured it out.

            Power is relative.
            The state has more power than I do. Yet the Federal Government has more power than them – and if the Federal Government is on my side, then I have more power than the state.

            This is the same situation with Satan – he is physically and spiritually more powerful than we are. Yet, God created Satan – and it’s not even comparable the power between the two. Therefore, if God is on our side – Satan’s power is nothing.
            This can be seen by the fact that Satan is merely permitted to use the power he has been given – he can do nothing by his own accord. (as seen in Job).

            “Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
            And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.”Hebrews 2:14-15

            “So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
            O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
            The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
            But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.” 1 Corinthians 15:54-57

            So Christ has taken away the power of death from Satan. And this will be realized “when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption” – when death is swallowed up in victory (and cast into the lake of fire). This is a reference to Judgement day found in Revelation 20.
            That being said, Christ already has finished the job – we’re just waiting for it to play out.

            “When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.” John 19:30

            God deemed it prudent to have Jesus defeat Satan on Calvary. As Jesus said, the job is done- we’re now just waiting for the affects to play out.
            In the meantime, Jesus has all authority over everything.

            “And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.” Matthew 28:18

            “Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father;
            when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
            For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
            The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
            For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
            And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.” 1 Corinthians 15:24-28

            Again we find a reference to Judgement day – when death is cast into the lake of fire. We also see that Christ will reign until all of his enemies have been destroyed (defeated and destroyed are two different things). Even though his enemies are permitted to continue to exist for now, they’re already under subjection to Christ (They always were under subjection to God).

            And finally;
            “Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.” Luke 10:19

            Christ has given his children the ability to use His authority. It can easily be seen in the works of the disciples and in the words of the New Testament.
            So although Satan does, in essence, have power – Christ has rendered him powerless. Satan has no power over a believer, unless the power is permitted.

            Christ has already defeated Satan, and He has given us each the power to use His authority over the devil – therefore; we are no longer slaves to sin, and we are no longer under the fear of death.
            Satan has no power. Where I am weak, Christ is strong.

            I hope this was somewhat linear and understandable. It’s hard to select just a few verses when the entire Bible speaks so harmoniously. Hope it helps.

  • The really slim shady

    We are at risk of what?
    Losing our salvation?

  • The really slim shady

    Well I agree with you that some Bible verses seem to say we can lose our salvation, I think if you consider the whole context of the entire NT you’ll see that it is actually impossible to lose our salvation.

    “For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift,
    and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
    And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
    If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they
    crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open
    shame.” Hebrews 6:4-6

    At first glance, this verse says that we can fall away from salvation.
    But in reality, it is saying much more. It says it’s impossible for us to fall away and be returned to salvation.
    If it’s impossible to regain salvation once we’ve lost it – then we must not lose our salvation for simple sin (or none of us would have salvation). And at the same time, we can’t re-gain salvation for saying “confession”.
    It must take more to lose salvation than sin.

    As far as Paul goes, you might be thinking of this verse in determining that Paul felt he could lose his salvation:
    “I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
    But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.” 1 Corinthians 9:26-27

    But the message Paul is trying to get across here is his obsession with his salvation.
    He is not in fear of losing his salvation, he is concerned that he might not have done enough to warrant it in the first place – therefore he keeps his body under subjection.

    All that being said, there’s some very important verses that go to show you cannot lose your salvation.
    “For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Romans 8:38-39
    That is – nothing can separate us from the love of God.

    “But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
    My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
    And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
    My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand” John 10:26-2
    Nothing more to add to that one.

    If it were up to us, we’d lose our salvation 100 times a day. And since we know that we can’t regain our salvation – all of us would be out of luck within a matter of days once we first earned salvation.
    But thank God – He is more powerful than us. He’s so powerful that even we can’t mess it up. Once we are His, nothing can separate us from Him – not even our own sins.
    That’s the depiction of salvation in the NT.

    • susan

      “…to renew them again into repentance….”

      Have you pondered this verse in your heart?

      What you see as Catholic man made traditions is Catholics practicing repentance physically and spiritually. We confess our sins to our Priest. We are given prayers and scripture and guidance to help us overcome our weaknesses and pride. We ponder Jesus at the cross and the severe suffering he endured for our sins. We receive absolution from our Priest, Jesus’ representative for us here on earth. It is in this state of humility and gratefulness and love which we then receive the Eucharist.

      • The really slim shady

        I know what Catholics do, just don’t see why they do it. Its strange because we read pretty much the same Bible.
        I confess my sins to the High Priest. I pray from my heart, and study the scripture. Christ Himself helps me overcome my weakness when I’ve humbled myself.
        I received absolution the day Christ forgave me for my sins. I, myself, am also a representative for Christ on earth.
        It’s with a spirit of humility, gratefulness, and love I try to live every aspect of my life – although I often….often fall short.

        I wonder if you’ve pondered the verse in question, as the “…” before “to renew them again to repentance” says that it is IMPOSSIBLE.
        You live in fear of unrepentant sin, or committing an unforgivable sin (and perhaps dying without the last rite?-not sure how that works entirely). That is still living a life of bondage to sin.
        You’re under the impression that when we sin we have to go run and get it pardoned by a priest before we die with unrepentant sin in our heart.
        Everything you do revolves around your sin.

        But if the Son has set you free – you are free indeed. That is to say if Christ has forgiven your sins – they are forgiven. There’s no need to worry about sinning (it’s 100% going to happen), instead set your mind on productive things like righteousness and truth.
        Christ killed our sinful old selves – we are a new creation (albeit one that still struggles with sin).

        I can’t say it any better than this;
        “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
        God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
        Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
        Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
        For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
        Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
        Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
        Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
        For in that he died, he died unto sin ONCE: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
        Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
        Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
        Neitheryield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
        What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
        Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
        But GOD BE THANKED, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
        I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
        For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
        What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
        But now being made FREE FROM SIN, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
        For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
        Romans 6

        There’s a chasm called Jesus that distinguishes a saint who sins from a sinner.
        I don’t think, as much as you’re trying, you fully understand the power and finality of Christ’s forgiveness.

        “Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.” 2 Corinthians 5:17
        Hope this helps.

        • “You live in fear of unrepentant sin, or committing an unforgivable sin …”

          And you fear NOT when you sin, you care NOT when you sin because such live in delusion.

        • susan

          Thank you. Next time I’ll try and complete the whole verse.
          Does the verse speak of the possibility to lose one’s faith?

          • The really slim shady

            Sure, it says that a person can lose their salvation – and in turn theyll never be able to get it back.
            Yet, when you consider other verses you understand how impossible that is – impossible.

            On that day many will say to him, “Lord, Lord”….
            Someone who is truly saved cannot be taken from his hand.
            Many people think theyre saved an are not – these are the people who “honor me with their lips, bt their hearts are far from me”.
            Would those kind of people be considered enlightened?

          • The really slim shady

            “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:13-14
            Holy Spirit guarantees our inheritence until redemption?

        • susan

          Did our High Priest give authority to forgive sins? Why, when He is the high Priest?

          • The really slim shady

            For the same reason He gave us all of our other authority – He wants us to be a part of the process.
            Yet, its ultimately God who judges anyway.

  • The really slim shady

    1 John 5:16-17.
    Yes there is a sin unto death (blasphemy of the spirit), would a Christian do that?
    Is he talking about Christian brethren if Christians do not blaspheme the Holy Spirit?

    “He who endures to the end” is no different a scenario than the 5 wise and 5 foolish virgins.
    The 5 foolish ones fell asleep and missed the party, they didnt endure.

    Romans 11:22.
    “Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.” Romans 11:20-21

    Hebrews 10:26-29.
    Naturally, a person who continues in sin after receiving the knowledge of truth is not a Christian.


    Well have to agree to disagree, as you have given me nothing that seems contrary to my understanding of salvation.

    One thing i know, God hates lukewarm Christians, and promises to spit them out.
    A person who has a passion for God burning inside them will never be taken from His hand.
    Those are the people that are truly Christian, and those are the few that have the security of salvation.

  • The really slim shady

    Babies let to their own devices is the point – that all, even babies, have sinned.
    Sin is in their DNA, they dont come without it. Man is in a fallen state – thus all have sinned.
    You leave that baby on his own, and hes going to show you what a sinner he always was.
    As you said, it is inevitable, and thats the need to become a new creation.

    And we cant even acknowledge that Jesus is Lord, except by the Holy Spirit – how then, are we responsible for anything?
    Is the homeowner responsible for hanging drywall when they say yes to the remodeling contract?

    Your Matthew 9:8 reference isnt a figure of speech, but it also doesnt back up your stance – its in response to Jesus healing a lame man.
    Only God can forgive sin. Only God can free us from sin.
    I dont see it as referencing all sin a person commits, but a sin someone commits against you – sort of like “as we forgive those who trespass against us”.
    One thing i do know, Jesus wasnt setting up an institution of sinful people to go and receive redemption from.

  • The really slim shady

    “Babies inherit sin”
    Thats a much better way to say it.
    Yet, i still insist that babies and mentally handicapped do still sin – even though they dont understand what theyre doing.
    Pretty much what Romans 7 talks about:
    “Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died.” Romans 7:10
    I mean lets be honest, babies are lazy, chubby, and only think about themselves….

    But in truth, we both agree that people who cant be held accountable arent, and i dont remember what the original topic was anymore.
    We could continue on to other topics, or we could just pick it up again another time.
    Either way, was a nice debate, thanks.

  • The really slim shady

    I will never mind beating a dead horse!
    What is the saying? Ignorance of the law excuses noone?

    I will grant you this verse:
    “I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law” Romans 7:7 B

    So not knowing that you are sinning is different than not sinning.
    But in reality, i dont disagree with you about babies and mentally handicapped people being exempt – just that they do in fact sin.

  • The really slim shady

    Not really.

  • The really slim shady

    Exempt from the wages of sin, not the sin.

  • Sankt Athanasion

    You obviously do not know what Catholicism is. We don’t pray to idols, and we don’t deify Holy Mary over Jesus Christ. The Catholic Church is the original and first Church, the only true Church founded by Christ, unlike the Protestant sects. That’s why I left “evangelical” Protestantism and became a part of the one true Church. I urge you also to leave the man-made sects of Protestantism behind to embrace the one true Catholic Apostolic Faith.

  • The really slim shady

    Hi Philip, thanks for the comment.
    Alot of topics, ill try to hit them all.

    The dietary laws of the OT were changed by God already in the new testament.
    Remember Peters vision? “Dont call unclean what I have made clean”.
    The Death/Resurrection of Jesus made many things clean, most importantly repentant believers.
    Most importantly Jesus has given us grace, good thing since we all have failed at keeping the law.
    Were not bound by the law anymore, a greater commandment we have been given – that we love eachother, even as Christ has loved us.

    All Christians have Gods authority, but of course i know you dont believe that.

    I dont believe in the Trinity in the same way you do.
    I believe in the God of the Bible, His Son Jesus (God in the flesh), and the Holy Spirit (God living in us).
    I dont see the Holy Spirit being a unique entity, i also note God has manifested as a burning bush, as well as a pillar of fire and smoke.
    I always wonder why people dont mention those.

    I also dont believe Christmas is Jesus birthday, the holiday we celebrate is a pagan winter festival….I dont do Easter either.
    The Christmas tree has even been around since the OT:
    “For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
    They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.” Jer 10:3-4

    I use the Gregorian calendar because thats what everyone else uses, but i cant help but think of that when i read about antichrist changing the times and seasons.

    I do believe that divorce and remarriage is adultery, but thats what the Word of God says, of course I believe it.

    And I agree with “faith without works is dead”, i just disagree with the way you use it.
    If a persons a Christian their works will naturally flow.
    Cant help but display the fruit of the Spirit when you have contact with the Almighty.

    The preacher doesnt have to quote only scripture, his message just has to align with it to be true.
    How do you know the Westboro Baptist people arent of God? Because they say and do things contrary to the Word of God.
    Why do I believe all the Bible says? Thats a strange question.
    I guess id say its because everything in the world verifies the Word of God.

    Btw, there is more canons in the world than the RCC canon – its certainly not a closed case.
    I say read everything there is to read, how else can you say if its true or false?

    Hope that helps.

  • The really slim shady

    Sorry Philip, I didnt see your response til today.

    Theres alot here, ill try to respond best i can.

    As far as Jesus being schizo in regards to the Holy Spirit.
    If Jesus and God are separate, why would He say He and the Father are one?
    The only reason Jesus is a separate entity is because He was born of a woman.

    We all agree, God=Jesus=Holy Spirit.
    In the OT the Holy Spirit was just called “the Spirit of God”, yet its the same thing.
    Its sort of like being posessed by God Himself.

    Take, for example, the location of God in heaven.
    You have God sitting on the throne, Jesus at His right hand – wheres the Holy Spirit?

    All this talk of apostolic succession.
    Let me ask you this, how did I ever hear of Christianity apart from the RCC? Its quite evident to me that theres been a chain of belief between the Apostles and myself – and it didnt require the permission of the Church to be so.
    Of course theres people that manipulate the message, thats why you cant rely on the work of others to determine what you believe.

    I agree, it is all how you celebrate your holidays.
    Im not telling anybody not to celebrate Christmas – i love Christmas. I just understand the holiday has very little to do with Jesus.
    In reality though, Constantine is the reason these things are corrupted – He worshipped the sun god Mithra, who was born on Dec 25. Its not really a matter of pagans mimicing Christian holy days as it is Constantine blending the religions of his empire.

    All the mainline Christian denominations are corrupt, as one who is expecting a “falling away” would expect.
    Seems like its time we all get back to the basics.

  • The really slim shady

    I think it’s quite humorous that you say the RCC is “egoless”…But what do I know?

    I read that article you linked to. It doesn’t really prove that Constantine didn’t form the Catholic Church as we know it – more talks about the people he persecuted.
    It’s probably misleading to say that Constantine made the RCC – in reality, Constantine put it in motion.
    Constantine legalizing Christianity and “converting’ caused many of the other ruling class to “convert” as well. Christianity was now a social badge of honor.
    Now you have all these rulers, who were former pagans, impacting Christianity on a large scale.

    The paganism in Catholicism is clearly seen by those who aren’t a part of it. And the history of Constantine himself shows he was no Christian – merely using it as a tool of dominance.

    Yes, the apostles elected someone to replace Judas. Who elected Saul? Stephen?
    Does it make someones faith better or more pure to be able to trace it to the first century?
    Is the power in the faith or in the One who honors the faith? Is the power in the person who brought you to the faith, or to whom you have the faith in?
    You are under the impression that God only gives power to people who were chosen – weren’t all of us called? Wouldn’t it be more prudent to grant all of his followers power?
    The only reason to support apostolic succession is to defend the preeminence of Rome, which is preposterous. Who is Rome, who is Constantinople?

    Is there a formula for church liturgy in the Bible? I haven’t been able to find one so far. Obviously the OT temple service is quite well documented, but I can only seem to find instructions for conduct in the church – such as elders, women, and whatnot.

    What is the purpose of coming together and having a service? Is it not to learn about God and worship Him?
    That’s something you can do in a large building, or in a small house. With an orchestra, or with two spoons.
    The point of “going to church” is to have communion. It’s to come together with other believers and worship God in a common union. The liturgy is not important whatsoever.
    Some people like to worship God with hymns, others with guitars and drums. It’s not in the object used for worship its in the heart of the person doing the worship.

    “Praise ye the Lord. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power.
    Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness.
    Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.
    Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.
    Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals.
    Let every thing that hath breath praise the Lord. Praise ye the Lord.” Psalm 150

  • The really slim shady

    Hi Deborah, thank you for all of your comments. I’ll get to each one.

    I don’t mean to sound combative, but why do you believe the woman in Revelation is Mary?
    And why do you believe Mary will crush satan?
    (I do agree we all have virtually the same NT)

    I’ll tell you why I believe it’s either the Church or Israel, but I am leaning towards Israel – and you can tell me why you believe it’s Mary (as the majority of people here do).

    I see Revelation 12 as sort of a summary of Jewish history, not so much fitting in chronologically with the rest of Revelation. And not entirely a description of future events.
    “A woman clothed with the sun, with twelve stars on her head”. I see that as Israel, with the twelve tribes.
    The red dragon casts 1/3 of the stars to the earth – Satan fell as “lightning from heaven”.
    Satan tried to devour the male child as soon as he was born (Jesus), but Jesus was snatched up to heaven.
    The woman flees into the wilderness after this point, for “1260 days” (whatever that refers to).
    War breaks out in heaven, and satan is cast out (he still has access to heaven as we see in Job).
    The dragon is ticked he got kicked out of Heaven, so he goes to kill the woman (Israel – wipe them off the map), but the woman has another hiding place for “a time, times, and half a time” (3 1/2 years most likely).

    And then finally, since the dragon cant get the woman, in verse 17 he goes to wage war against the “rest of her offspring” – “those who keep the commandments of God and hold fast their testimony of Jesus” (the Church).

    So you see, I see the Holocaust and the general anti-semetic sentiment that the world has as the proof the dragon is trying to kill the woman (Israel).
    Throughout history just about everybody has fought the Jews – of course the world does, but consider also the Catholics and Protestants.
    When the devil realizes he can’t get the woman he just starts going full persecution into the church, or perhaps the remnant of the church.

    And finally, it’s ultimately Jesus who conquers satan.
    I am guessing part of your proof of Mary defeating the serpent is the Catholic translation of “And I will put enmity between you and the woman”. (If so, every other translation says “He will crush your head, but you will bruise His heel”).

    In Revelation 20, we see first an angel casting the devil into the bottomless pit for 1000 years:
    “And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
    And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,” Vs 1-2

    And then in verse 7 on we read this:
    “And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

    And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of
    the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number
    of whom is as the sand of the sea.
    And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the
    saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of
    heaven, and devoured them.
    And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and
    brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be
    tormented day and night for ever and ever.” Vs 7-10

    Now I’ll give you, it doesn’t say that Mary or Jesus throw the devil into the lake of fire – but it does say that “fire from God” devoured his army.
    And also we have this:
    “O death, where is your victory?
    O death, where is your sting?”
    For sin is the sting that results in death, and the law gives sin its power. But thank God! He gives us victory over sin and death through our Lord Jesus Christ.” 1 Corinthians 15:55-57

    Jesus has conquered death, rendering satan powerless – all that’s left to do is cast him into the lake of fire.

    Again, thanks for your comment – I find that there’s nothing more valuable to discuss, even with conflicting viewpoints.

  • The really slim shady

    You are very correct.
    I am honestly unsure about this topic, but thank God I’m not the one who has to make the call.

    I will give you and anybody else that the Bible doesn’t directly say we have eternal salvation, and nothing can forfeit our claim to salvation. But the Bible does say a few things about it.

    “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
    And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
    My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.” John 10:27-29

    1) His sheep are contrasted from the people whom He “never knew” in Revelation.
    2) His sheep know His voice, and He knows them.
    3) Nothing can take His sheep from His hand.
    4) God gave the sheep to Jesus, and God’s greater than everybody, and nobody can take them from His father’s hand either.

    “For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift,
    and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
    And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
    If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they
    crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open
    shame.” Hebrews 6:4-6

    1) This makes it seem as though one can lose their salvation (and I know other verses do as well).
    2) This shows its impossible to go from saved to unsaved, to saved again. That right there is enough for me to prove “once saved always saved”, and disprove the Catholic view of salvation.

    Because, after all:
    “Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.” 2 Corinthians 5:17

    Think of Moses, when we meet God we can’t possibly stay the same – Moses even looked different.
    To become a Christian is to have died to ourselves (to shed our sinful flesh), and to be born again in Christ – we have the Holy Spirit now. That is a miracle in and of itself – how hard would it be to lose that? How do you un-die?
    Think of the prodigal son, think of Israel.
    Israel became blatant pagans, and God punished them – but He never forsook His promise to them.
    Israel complained the whole time they were in the wilderness, even had Aaron erect an Egyptian shrine to Apus for them, and God punished them….but He still delivered them to the Promised Land.

    I see salvation as very simple – “That if you confess with their mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in their heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.”
    Jesus asked the disciples – “who do you say that I am”. To me, that’s what gets you to heaven.
    I believe that a person like Paul will be far more rewarded in heaven than the person that Jesus believes, but I believe God’s not willing that any should perish – even the pathetic useless ones.
    So I believe salvation comes due to a mindset…. a belief.
    So you would have to unbelieve that Jesus is the savior to lose your salvation.
    Not saying it’s not possible, just seems like you never really believed it in the first place then.
    I can’t for a second imagine myself not believing what I believe about Jesus, it’s such a hard concept I can’t even consider it.

    Again, thanks for the comments….hope you respond. 🙂

  • The really slim shady

    Honestly Deborah, that’s the nicest thing anybody has ever said to me here. Thank you.

    My faith isn’t all that admirable though, the internet is easy, not as easy in real life. And the expressing part is also a product of the internet – I spend a long time on some of these comments, and have time to think about every comment. Sometimes I look at the comments and think about them during the workday before I respond.

    In reality I’m pretty stereotypical for my belief set.
    I drink, I smoke, I’ve done (“light”) drugs, I ignored the warning about waiting til marriage….
    I am still a work in progress, I could list plenty more sins struggle with.
    But the way I see things as Christ has set us free from the bondage of sin. I say it like this; Christ has put the sin thing aside (as far as the east is from the west) so we are free to do good works for Him.
    Being free from the wages of sin, I am free to come to Christ in spite of myself – I don’t have to cleanse what Christ has already cleansed before He will deal with me.
    That allows me to get to know God, and be one with God, despite being a worthless sinner.
    That’s a bit off topic, but I wanted you to know where I’m coming from.

    I would expect us not to agree with everything, we’re both at different points with our walk with God. We’re both learning different lessons, equipping us to deal with different tasks.
    One day we’ll all have all the answers, until then I personally think it’s a great thing to debate them.

    And peace to you as well, but don’t let your heart be troubled – Christ has overcome the world.
    These times aren’t scary, they’re exciting. “Look up, for your redemption draweth nigh”.
    We can have peace, knowing that though we walk through the valley of the shadow of death – no harm can overcome us.
    To live is Christ, to die is gain.

  • “I’m not at war with Islam, or evil, or the forces of darkness, or anything of the sort. That’s above my pay grade. I’m not at war with any individual, even if they’re affiliated with the aforementioned groups.”

    Of course your not at war with Islam. And don’t say that you do not war with anyone. You have been at war with Constantine, Eucharist, Infant Baptism … and everything Catholic.

    • The really slim shady

      Nope, not at war with Catholicism either.

      I am merely interacting, and in the process standing up for what I view as the truth.

      I enjoy the people here most out of the places i frequent, thats why I comment here a lot.

      I dont know where you get I have a lazy spirit; im either fully possesed by the devil or i am telling the truth, lazy my spirit is not.

  • giwil

    hey just start asking for mercy! okay

  • You and I are in agreement, it seem.