Prophecy Alert: Former Top NATO Commander Says World War III With Russia Begins MAY 2017

By Andrew Bieszad

Via the UK Guardian and Russia Insider:

A startling claim that the west is on course for war with Russia has been delivered by the former deputy commander of Nato, the former British general Sir Alexander Richard Shirreff.

In a book published on Wednesday, 2017 War With Russia, Shirreff argues that the events in Crimea have destroyed the post-cold-war settlement and set the stage for conflict, beginning next year.

In a chilling scenario, he predicts that Russia, in order to escape what it believes to be encirclement by Nato, will seize territory in eastern Ukraine, open up a land corridor to Crimea and invade the Baltic states.

Shirreff, who was deputy supreme allied commander Europe from 2011 to 2014 and before that served in Northern Ireland, Iraq and the Balkans, is risking his reputation by making such a bold prediction. But he claims his narrative is closely modelled on his Nato experience of war-gaming future conflicts.

His scenario is specific, naming Latvia as the first of the Baltic countries to be invaded, in May next year. Such specifics open him to potential ridicule.

At the book launch at London’s Royal United Services Institute, he heavily caveated the scenario by saying it was still avoidable provided Nato took the necessary steps to pre-position forces in large enough numbers in the Baltic states. Nato is planning to make a start on just such a move at a Nato in Warsaw in July.

 

Now in most cases, I really do not care about secular predictions about what the future holds. The future is unknown and, as we all know, anything can happen.

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The only reason why I bring this “prediction” up is because of a topic which I have been writing a lot about, and that is the events of Fatima.

I did a piece last week entitled Is Your Soul Ready? Divine Justice Follows Divine Mercy, And The Year Of Mercy Ends In 6 Months. It re-emphasized many points I have brought up about Fatima because, based on what I know and understand, we are on the edge of something big and terrible and it involves the Third Secret of Fatima.

Fatima is a very controversial topic in the Catholic Church, and without going into a lot of detail, there are basically two issues which cause the controversy:

1) Was the third secret of Fatima revealed or not?

2) Was Russia consecrated to the Immaculate Heart Mary per Our Lady’s instructions?

When it comes to these questions, there are likewise two group. The one group which says “Yes” to both questions, and the other group which says “No.” And the two do not meet.

Talking about Fatima is a great way to isolate yourself and get yourself uninvited from parties, especially if you are of the view that the Fatima consecration was NOT done, and that is because of the frankly horrible conclusions that one must draw from it. Among the many assumptions if one answers “No” is to say that (a) every pope since 1917, each who has read the third secret, has refused to follow Our Lady’s instructions and that (b) certain members within the Vatican have used their authority to silence under obedience people who have read the Third Secret while at the same time have been invovled in a disinformation campaign- outright lying– to the average Christian “in the pew” about the Fatima message.

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The three Fatima Children- Jacinta Marto, Francisco Marto, and Lucia Dos Santos

The result has been that for every statement the Vatican makes about Fatima, the fewer questions are actually answered the the more questions come up that necessarily merit more explanation. In other words, the more one looks to find the proverbial “end of the rabbit hole,” the further one goes down the rabbit hole because this hole just does not end.

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Fr. Gruner

Several years ago, I did some work with the late Fr. Gruner, who was one of the leading proponents of the “No” camp I referred to above. Without going into detail, a this weekend a Catholic Publisher and longtime friend, Steve Skojec of the blog One Peter Five, who I have also blogged with about Islam, encountered this very problem when it came to a “official statement” about Fatima with regard to  certain article he and one of his colleagues, Dr. Maike Hickson, had been putting out. You can read the full text of the article here, but the issue that he encountered was essentially that as the Vatican was “rebutting” certain statements that he had recently published, the more questions were actually being raised:

It is, in itself, a strangely perfunctory communique, and is presented in a way that prompts questions about its provenance and completeness. It is not a full, unabridged statement from Pope Emeritus Benedict; nor does it bear his signature. We are presented instead with pull quotes attributed to Benedict, and lacking the full context in which they originally appeared. Neither is it given to us to know who conducted this apparent interview with him, or how the questions were phrased.

We are, in other words, asked to take it on faith that the statement contains the authentic, complete, and ratified sentiments of the Pope Emeritus on the matter.

It is noteworthy that when we presented the words of Fr. Dollinger as reported by Dr. Hickson, we were accused by some of reporting unverifiable hearsay. But now we are given partial statements attributed to Benedict by an unnamed member of the Vatican communications staff — statements which implicate us, and also Pope Benedict’s old friend, Fr. Dollinger, in willful deception — and we are asked to believe that the matter is therefore settled?

I hope you will forgive my skepticism.

I have two questions about the semantics of this carefully-constructed statement. I believe they merit consideration.

First, I would like to draw attention to the portion which states, “the remarks attributed to Professor Dollinger on the matter ‘are pure inventions, absolutely untrue’.”

Dr. Maike Hickson, who personally called Fr. Dollinger, attests to the truth of what she recounted from that conversation. Inasmuch as the Vatican statement accuses her of “attributing” statements which are “inventions” to Fr. Dollinger, it is false. She did not imagine the conversation she had with Fr. Dollinger, shereported it, and I stand by her testimony with full confidence in her integrity, both as a journalist and as a faithful daughter of the Church.

Further, this morning Dr. Hickson telephoned Father Dollinger with the news of the Vatican statement, and at that time he again confirmed to her emphatically and clearly his previous remarks. In other words, he stood by his story.

And

Second, the communique quotes Pope Benedict as saying that “the publication of the Third Secret of Fatima is complete”. This is very cautious language, in a legal sense. If the Vatican has already published all that it intends to publish about the Third Secret of Fatima — even if there is more that they do not intend to publish— one would be technically correct in saying that “the publication is complete.” It does not in any way dispel the notion that a text written by Sister Lucia at the prompting of Our Lady as a means of interpreting the symbolic import of the Third Secret may yet exist.

As I stated in my followup to our original article, one needn’t assume that the popes who have potentially concealed additional information relating to the Third Secret have lied to us; if they fear that the information it contains will cause severe damage to the Church in some way, they may be using broad mental reservation in their concealment of the portion of the text in question. There is also the issue, raised by Marco Tosatti, of internal questioning within the Vatican apparatus about which portions of an additional explanatory text, if it exists, can be attributed to Our Lady, and which to Sister Lucia. If there were sufficient doubt, one could conceivably conceal such a text while remaining technically correct stating that the full secret (ie., the portion that they were confident came from Our Lady) had been revealed. The legalistic sense, therefore, is noteworthy in this regard.

I believe that beyond the questions raised by the text of the communique, there are other known facts which simply do not add up in this statement as attributed to Pope Benedict. The language is strong, even harsh, and it seems uncharacteristic in that regard. Benedict has a reputation for kindness and gentleness, and the source of the information he is refuting comes from a long-time friend – a friendship that his statement does not deny.

And as Steve concludes,

There is a great deal that does not add up. There are many questions left unanswered. We offer our sincere prayers for the Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI and our gratitude that he broke his silence to address this open question.

At the same time, we are being asked to believe that we are being lied to by our sources. That we are being deceived by individuals in the last years of their life, with nothing apparent to gain. Individuals who have established strong reputations as noteworthy and orthodox Catholics, and whose reputations have now been put on the line by presenting an alternate version of events.

This is a great deal to ask, and we must respectfully request, therefore, that we be given a complete response — a full, unaltered, and witnessed statement from the Pope Emeritus himself. The filtered words of the Vatican Press office do not suffice.

The point I am getting at is the more one looks at Fatima, the more questions one asks, the more questions, and with more dire consequences, one must look at.

Which brings me to the issue of this War with Russia.

Again, I do NOT have inside information in this matter. However, among the relevant things to this matter, I know three things.

1)The Fatima revelations began in May 2017. This is basic historical knowledge about the events.

2)Sr. Lucia herself said that if Fatima was not consecrated, the Pope would follow the example of the “error of the King of France,” which refers to the fact that on June 17, 1689 St. Margaret Mary Alacoque was told that the King of France had to have France consecrated to the Sacred Heart of Jesus, and he had 100 years to do so. He did not, and on that exact day- June 17, 1789- 100 years later, was when the king was stripped of his power and the French Revolution began:

As Sr. Lucia said in a message she received from Our Lady in 1931:“Make it known to My ministers that, given they follow the example of the King of France in delaying the execution of My command, they will follow him into misfortune. It will never be too late to have recourse to Jesus and Mary.”

As one Catholic blogger, writing nine years ago notes:

Like the Kings of France who disobeyed the heavenly King’s command by delaying the solemn consecration of France for 100 years, the ministers of the Lord who do the same in regard to the collegial consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary “will follow the French king into misfortune.”

3)The Third Secret, while the text is not known, is said to have the same- but more dire– message as Our Lady of Akita in 1971. The Message of Akita is that if man does not turn from his sin, the world would be destroyed by fire

As I told you, if men do not repent and better themselves, the Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. It will be a punishment greater than the deluge, such as one will never have seen before. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity, the good as well as the bad, sparing neither priests nor faithful. The survivors will find themselves so desolate that they will envy the dead. The only arms which will remain for you will be the Rosary and the Sign left by My Son. Each day recite the prayers of the Rosary. With the Rosary, pray for the Pope, the bishops and priests.

“The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres (other priests); churches and altars will be sacked; the Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord.

“The demon will be especially implacable against souls consecrated to God. The thought of the loss of so many souls is the cause of my sadness. If sins increase in number and gravity, there will be no longer pardon for them.

What makes all of this particularly interesting is that this is the “Year of Mercy”- the first ever of such- in the Catholic Church. As I wrote about in my articles before, mercy always comes before justice.

So, will there be war with Russia next year? I do not know. I hope not.

All I know is that nothing in life happens by accident. And then I see this General, talking about war in May 2017, exactly 100 years after Fatima’s revelations began, even going so far as to risk his reputation by doing so. 

Watch. Pray. Prepare.

Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. 

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  • Julie

    Pope Benedict revealed the entire third secret of Fatima.

    What was worse in the message, was the implication that Portugal would retain the true faith of the Crucified Lord. It did not say the rest of the Catholic world would stay truly Catholic.

    The secular/atheistic/pagan/Muslim world of the East has belief without Christ. It accepts suffering and sees value in it.

    The West has Christ without the Cross….all about personal comfort and self autonomy, that we now have arrived at the culture of isolation and narcissism.

    These points drawn from Bishop Sheen’s, communism with the cross, the West, Christianity without the cross.

    I speak European Portuguese. I have studied the character of Pope Benedict while he was a cardinal. I have communicated with someone who was very close to Sr Lucia and covered the controversy between Fr Gruner and Fatima.

    Gruner is mixing up the errors of modernism and masonry in the Church with the Fatima message.

    Sr Lucia said despite the drawbacks, John Paul II did consecrate the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary….but not to upset the Orthodox….we see here even at times, Orthodox misunderstanding the direction of the consecration to the communists and their disinformation apparatus — instead referred to that country we all know….he said the phrase implying Russia.

    So it is done.

    Before the consecration, March 25, 1984, the Soviet Union was preparing to invade Europe, and like a stack of dominos, each Soviet ruler died down to Andropov. I remember it, I remember the downing of the airplane over the Sakhalin Island…I had just given birth to my second child. I was being kept up to date with what was going in Russia, read about the great explosion of their great military base by unknown forces….with the development of war by that country.

    The consecration was done, however not directly named but implied. There could be another pope following Francis who could name. But all the devout knew what JP was saying.

    In the end, her immaculate heart will triumph.

    • Willing to die for Jesus

      Communism has never gone away!

      If you think the Consecration was validly done, Julie, why has there never before been a greater threat to world peace and a greater confrontation between the USA/the West and Russia. Which have the TWO largest stockpiles of nukes.

      No offence, but you need to be more informed of contemporary geo-political events.

      Let me tell you TWO things that just happened in the news in the media over the past few days or hours.

      (1) THE USA HAS LIFTED ITS EMBARGO ON SHIPPING ARMS TO COMMUNIST VIETNAM.

      (2) The State of Victoria, Australia, has officially apologized for its past criminalization of homosexuality to the “gay community” — a FIRST IN THE WORLD. We don’t even have homosexual “marriage”, but definitely soon will, the last of the English-speaking countries not to do so.

      IF the Consecration was validly done, then tell me WHY IS THERE MORE COMMUNISM (ie, “errors of Russia”) THAN EVER BEFORE?!

      Why the moral decay which Started in Russia under the USSR?

      WHY is the Russian Orthodox Church so anti-American and anti-Western?

      WHY has there be no era of peace? Why is the Catholic Church in such disarray?

      The Church is being CHASTISED because the Consecration was never done.

      But go on fooling yourself, like most Novus Ordo apologists do that the Consecration was done. That is on your shoulders.

      • Julie

        The Orthodox have been as such for a long time. Why no apologies by the Orthodox of the slaughter of several thousand Latins in Constantinople a hundred years before the sacking by the Normans, who when they returned, were excommunicated by the pope?

        The American and Canadian seminaries were infiltrated by the communists 40 years before Vatican II…look up a Ms Dowd…who testified before Congress the infiltration of our seminaries.

        And then look at how many Catholics are actually even following the Fatima message? So many Catholics know about it in Europe, but they don’t follow it.

        In the USA, the news was the World Series…sports.

        No it is not on my shoulders…and your wording and attitude…

        Did you know Clinton gave information to Red China regarding security? I keep up with the news and know the lifting of embargo by our country…and our country is not the same either.

        Look at the media, the power of technology and information.

        Pope Benedict was no liar.

      • Julie

        Who said communism went away?

        And I meant to add there were Americans who took a statue of Our Lady of Fatima to Red Square to place it there to fulfill Bishop Sheen’s vision of the statue being there some day…thinking doing so would allow God to work to bring about conversion.

        You cannot force God’s hand.

        And you cannot force people to convert no matter how many sacrifices, penance and rosaries for these souls.

        • Trevor

          “You cannot force God’s hand.”

          Oh how I wish people would hear this and take it to heart. Clearly the lesson of Sarah and Abraham hasn’t gone to heart very clearly.

          • Julie

            People are trying to get God to do their thing at their time.

          • Trevor

            Yup, that is exactly what is happening all over the world. I prefer the simple Our Father prayer because as the Lord said, “Thy will be done on earth as in heaven.” We know God’s mystery will soon be completed. It’s a matter of faith.

            If it took Noah 120 years to build the ark which took a whole of faith, then we can endure until Christ returns when the Father says, “Go.”

          • Julie

            The Our Father is the Lord’s prayer…..the best we could receive.

            By the way, do you know how to recite the rosary? It does have the Our Father (Pater) leading the decades of the Aves — the Hail Mary’s followed by the Glory Be..the Gloria….and ‘Oh My Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fire of hell and we pray for those in need of conversion’….

            Next to the Mass, to bind Satan, it is the simple, beautiful chain of the Holy Rosary.

            Every Hail Mary we pray with Mary, she in turn magnifies the soul….in every Ave…..she magnifies the Lord in our soul, she leads us to His will, and for His kingdom to come.

            Gentle Mary. Full of grace…she and St Michael the greatest enemies of satan.

          • Trevor

            I haven’t ordered a rosary yet.

      • Стефан Евгений

        May be this from fr Phillips blog will answer your question willing.

        WHY is the Russian Orthodox Church so anti-American and anti-Western?
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        Introduction: The Aggressive West

        ‘Peace-loving’ Western Europe invaded Russia four times in five generations, in 1812, 1854, 1914 and 1941. The three main Western nations, France, Great Britain and Germany were all involved in these invasions, together with many smaller Western nations. Thus, twelve nations were involved in the 1812 invasion of Napoleon I, who ‘filled Europe with graves’; in 1854, France led by Napoleon II, Great Britain and Sardinia invaded together with the Ottomans; in 1914 the multinational Austro-Hungarian Empire as well as the new Prussianised Germany invaded; and in 1941 representatives of a large number of European countries led by the Nazi Fascists. What made the West so aggressive? We cannot help but trace back its aggressiveness to its origins as a unique and distinctive phenomenon, born together with the filioque ideology under the upstart ‘Emperor’ Charlemagne in 800.

        The leaders of this new Western Europe and its newly devised Old Testament version of Christianity, called ‘the filioque’, could not bear to see the original form of Christianity, Orthodoxy, as a rival to it; therefore, as Satan had done to the Father, it had to be rebelled against, slandered, if possible compromised, and if this were not possible, destroyed altogether as in the ‘Crusade’ of 1204. Today, modern, post-Christian Western secularism, the result of the ever-degenerating filioque ideology, hates Orthodoxy for being authentic Christianity in exactly the same way as its Catholic/Protestant predecessors hated it. Nothing has changed. And yet, Russia saved its aggressors twice. Thus, in 1914, Russian military sacrifices saved Paris, operating the ‘Miracle on the Marne’ by diverting German divisions to the Eastern Front, and in 1941 Moscow saved London. How?

        How Moscow Saved London and was Rewarded with the Cold War

        1941 was the critical turning point year of World War II for Great Britain. Isolated and bankrupt, it was cornered, dependent on food and supplies coming across the U-boat-infested Atlantic Ocean from North America. Starved into submission, it would eventually have been forced to negotiate with Nazi Germany. At this point, alone and facing Hitler’s might, it was saved. How? After all, by 2 December 1941 German forces had advanced to within a few miles of Moscow and could see the towers of the Kremlin.

        However, the Wehrmacht was not equipped for winter warfare. Frostbite and disease caused more casualties than combat, and dead and wounded had already reached 155,000 in three weeks. The bitter cold also caused severe problems for guns and equipment and weather conditions grounded the Luftwaffe. Newly built-up Soviet units near Moscow now numbered over 500,000, and on 5 December, they launched a massive counterattack which pushed the Germans back over 200 miles. It was the beginning of the end.

        The invasion of the USSR cost the German Army over 210,000 killed and missing and 620,000 wounded in 1941 alone. A third of these became casualties after 1 October and there were an unknown number of Axis casualties such as Hungarians, Romanians and Waffen SS troops, as well as co-belligerent Finns. This failure resulted in the salvation of Great Britain and ultimately in the end of the Third Reich. However, after this fourth failed invasion of Russia came the Cold War, which still continues today in its anti-Putin propaganda – nearly seventy years of aggression without ceasing.

        This Cold War gives a completely distorted view of Russian history, whether it concerns the blood-soaked invasion of the Teutonic Knights (which the West sees as good), Ivan IV (whom jt sees as bad, miscalling him ‘the Terrible’, though he was a hero compared to the far bloodthirstier English Henry VIII who ruled at the same time), the Polish invasion of 1612, Peter I (whom it miscalls ‘the Great’), Paul I (who is seen as bad and was in fact murdered in a plot organised by the British ambassador), Catherine II (this bloodthirsty foreigner it calls ‘the Great’) and more recent figures such as Rasputin ( a devout, married peasant, murdered by British spies with the help of an Oxford-trained Russian transvestite).

        Above all, this distorted view includes the much denigrated figure of the heroic Tsar Nicholas II and the twisted story of his death. During the reign of Nicholas II the Chinese Eastern Railway and the South Manchuria Railway were built, plans were laid for the electrification of the whole country, an oil pipeline from Baku to the Persian Gulf was planned, and the White Sea-Baltic Canal was designed. Major industrial zones in the Urals and the Far East were planned and the Baikal-Amur Railroad trunk-line was proposed. The Bolsheviks implemented these great plans afterwards and passed them off as their own ideas. Western sources blindly repeat these same Bolshevik myths. Why?

        http://www.events.orthodoxengland.org.uk/

        • ChiRho

          Question: “Western sources blindly repeat these same Bolshevik myths. Why?”

          Answer: “…the original form of Christianity, Orthodoxy, as a rival to it; therefore, as Satan had done to the Father, it had to be rebelled against, slandered, if possible compromised, and if this were not possible, destroyed altogether…”

          • Стефан Евгений

            XP, we see that same story unfold before our own eyes. Will we something like this happen in America. I pray that it does.

          • susan

            One day :))

          • Стефан Евгений

            I hope it comes soon.

          • susan

            You and me both.

          • Стефан Евгений

            I don’t wish to glow in the dark….LOL

          • susan

            Me either. Day glo-green doesn’t look good on me 😉

          • Стефан Евгений

            HA….LOL

          • susan

            We better. The clock is ticking.. Thank you for the articles. 🙂

          • ChiRho

            History repeats itself, especially when we ignore it.

            Perhaps one day we may see that kind of procession. All the other churches are dying. Orthodoxy is growing. The wheat is being sifted, and the tiny pieces of gold ore mixed in with large amounts of rock are slowly being heated and joined with more pure gold as the rock melts away.

            When the Kurst Root Icon visited us there were not tens of thousands, but I would probably not have been able to get close to it if there had been!

          • susan

            Kurst root icon? That’s an interesting name.

          • ChiRho

            Oops. Either my fat fingers hit wrong button or the spelling program changed it on me. I meant “Kursk” not Kurst. You should look it up Susan, many miracles are associated with it for over 7 centuries.

          • susan

            Thank you ChiRo :). I shall. 🙂

          • susan
          • ChiRho

            Wikipedia gives a watered down, secular description, but at least an idea.
            Try this one if you want to know about some of the miracles and more history: http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/43389.htm
            The muslims could not destroy it, nor the commies.

          • susan

            Thank you. A sign of hopeful endurance. I seem to recall the sign of perseverance as a sword piercing the heart.

          • ChiRho

            You’re welcome. There are so many amazing and encouraging miracles in Orthodoxy that the West has no idea about.

          • susan

            Lol. True. The Catholic reminds me of the upper part of the skull. The Orthodox the lower half. When they unite and they will. Watch out! Great things are going to happen. But initially it may be shared pain that draws them nearer and helps them look beyond the things that separated them. A painful buttoning of the lips.

          • Стефан Евгений
          • Стефан Евгений

            it was found in a tree root near the city of kursk. http://www.fatheralexander.org/booklets/english/icon_kursk_e.htm

          • Стефан Евгений

            We had over 300

          • ChiRho

            That’s pretty good for this side of the globe.

      • theophorus

        Your visceral, angry reaction is a warning to me. Did not Sr. Lucia herself not say it was accomplished? She did. Now, who are we to believe?

        • Julie

          It was. The tone here is similar to those who follow false apparitions, I am afraid to say so…or if you come out with factual military info…they try to discredit you.

          I lived in Seattle, then the most notorious diocese in the world.

          Every bishop received the letter requested by the pope that did indeed state the conversion of Russia.

          It was described differently as not to offend the Orthodox who have suffered the most under communism.

        • Willing to die for Jesus

          Theophorus, the CHIEF EXORCIST at the Vatican, and I am sure you know this, Father Amorth, has said openly the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary has NOT BEEN DONE.

          Google, Fr. Amorth, Fatima.

          Here is a recent source, but you will see many all over the Net from reputable Catholic sources.

          https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/exclusive-interview-with-rome-chief-exorcist-fr.-gabriele-amorth

          But Father Gabriele Amorth, 90, known as the dean of the exorcists, as well as a prolific author, does not believe that what was requested by the Blessed Virgin has, in fact, been fulfilled. He asserts in fact that,

          “the Consecration has not yet been made. I was there on March 25 in St. Peter’s Square, I was in the front row, practically within touching distance of the Holy Father. John Paul II wanted to consecrate Russia, but his entourage did not, fearing that the Orthodox would be antagonized, and they almost almost thwarted him. Therefore, when His Holiness consecrated the world on his knees, he added a sentence not included in the distributed version that instead said to consecrate “especially those nations of which you yourself have asked for their consecration.” So, indirectly, this included Russia. However, a specific consecration has not yet been made. You can always do it. Indeed, it will certainly be done … “.

    • susan

      This diabolical confusion has only added to the mistrust growing on both sides and within. At it’s best and it’s worst it appears half baked. And I totally agree with you. Mary’s immaculate heart will triumph. Please tell me if you know, is there a problem with the word “immaculate”? If there is no disagreement then it’s a mute point. Thank you very much.

      • Julie

        No problem with immaculate….most pure….Mary most pure.

        Fr Gruner was an extremist.

        Yes there are dark forces in the Church but the Lord has not left us without a shepherd….and we have had times where popes have not been faithful.

        Puts the onus on us to learn our faith better.

        Sr Lucia said the consecration was done and Our Lady accepted it. Everybody knew who JPII was referring to and did not want to offend the Orthodox.

        By their comments, they sometimes appear to wear their feelings on their sleeves. I pulled out of dialoguing with them on Catholic Answers because they were always so arrogant, calling us heretics, the put downs, etc. My friend told me he also suspected with their terribly anti papal attitude, they were former ‘protestors’ and went to the Orthodox.

        The Latin Church has systematic theology and so is very scrupulous in discerning always taking the devil advocate. What the third secret refers to is the crucifxion of the church and so many of us being slaughtered.

        • Willing to die for Jesus

          Father Gruner was an “extremist”?

          And you called my post as exhibiting “attitude”?

          Why do you speak ill of the dead? He isn’t even alive to respond to your accusations.

          He was one of the most holy priests and lived a life of entire suffering and embracing of the Cross.

          He loved Our Lady so much more than many I can even think of.

          I’m sorry if I come across as combative but I am more than ever convinced that what is going on is because the Consecration was never done.

          I am not a fool. I go on Catholic Answers.. and I see how awful the Catholic/Orthodox dialogues can be. I try and not go into them.

          But likewise am aware of the discussions that can spiral out of control between the Traditionalists and the Novus Ordo Catholics.

          Do you know Steve Skojec?? Ever heard of him?

          Go to http://www.onepeterfive.com some time…

          • Julie

            Again, the consecration was done.

            And I continue to pray for the conversion of Russia. Pope Benedict, sources who knew Sr Lucia personally, who spoke with her when she was alive in relation to Fr Gruner, etc.

            I am not condemning him.

          • Lisa

            Which Sr. Lucia?

          • Julie

            The older girl who was cousins to Jacinto and her brother Francisco. I had a roommate in Lisbon who came from Leiria, the episcopal seat of Fatima and her family took me there.

            Sr Lucia lived to be very old. The Lord kept her alive for a long time to clear up all the misconceptions, etc about the messages.

            You can easily find them online.

            We are being called to come back to the way of the Cross and to do penance for our sins, and to live constantly in Christ’s presence and to offer up everything we are and do for Him. Especially in reparation for all the sacrileges, blasphemies, and the persecution of Christians and inhumanity where Christ lives the most…in those who suffer.

          • Lisa

            Which Sr. Lucy? The impostor, or the original shepherd girl with crooked teeth?

          • Julie

            Please don’t send me any more emails as such.

          • Lisa

            Why? It’s a honest question. Have you ever compared the pictures of her in her days of visitation, and then the later ones with pope JPll? Just because you believe your opinion, doesn’t make it so. Their are some sincere questionable inconsistencies in the photos.

          • susan

            Maybe she got dentures.

          • Lisa

            They are two different people, in my opinion of course.

          • susan

            DNA and a skeletal examination. But for what it’s worth, I agree with Julie. We share the same opinion on this.

          • Lisa

            That’s fine.

          • susan

            :).

          • Julie

            Look to Mary and what she has called you to do.

          • Julie

            Likewise, having worked in a dental office, people lose teeth and considering her Carmelite vocation, I would imagine she avoided replacements or beauty work on her teeth. And teeth tend to shift as one ages.

            Peoples’ faces get longer with age, so do the ears and faces sag.

            I think there have been too many things on the internet and to think the popes are dishonest with us….when just looking at Shoebat’s articles…they are horrific enough.

            The worst is the loss of faith.

            Enough.

          • susan

            I’m not sure what she was referring too. Just crooked and straight teeth. Sometimes people need their teeth pulled but I appreciate your response. You’ve given a lot of good information Julie. 🙂

          • Julie

            I never depend on such an immense prophecy with such foreboding by one person vs the Church. It is like following Martin Luther after 1500 years…and yes, he came about in a time of distress and trevail.

          • susan

            Exactly Julie! That’s why I’m Catholic. 🙂

          • Lisa

            Well, you believe what you like, but your opinion means nothing to me, and many other people. Enough is right. I may not have worked in a dentist office, but I practised nursing for over thirty years, and I am a observant person, who also knows how to read, have a civil discussion, and admit that I don’t know everything. In fact I really know nothing!

          • Julie

            Likewise so do I. I was in grad school, have natural inclination towards nursing but at that time, have minor in education and served the poor and later did nursing in a mission compound. I have lived with multiple ethnic groups all speaking Portuguese…overseas and saw a country go Marxist, a former Portugese colony, and had a Portuguese bishop who oversaw us.

            And I am going to be 70 in a few years……………

            So we are equal.

            I follow Mary’s intention as I told someone else. The third secret was meant for the pope.

            For me the worst would be…the true faith lost in most places…and gloryifying mortal sin.

          • Julie

            Again…see where disputes lead you? The real issue for us is heeding Our Lady’s requests.

            The third secret was intended solely for the pope.

          • Lisa

            Dr. Gunner read the messages! He spent almost his whole life studying the Fatima messages. How can you say that? Pope Benedict just recently stated, that their is more to the third secrets. Remember, the Blessed Mother said that Russia would be converted, but, that it would be late. There is a revival in the Orthodox church today, but the Russian Catholic Church is still being suppressed.

          • Julie

            I follow P Benedict. He said it was all revealed.

            And we still continue to pray for the conversion of Russia and were very knowledgeable of the genocide against Russian Orthodox by the Soviets.

            I read Josef Telrelya’s experience being in the Gulag and having great devotion to Mary. He said he saw the guards reading New Age books.

            Disinformation is the Soviets’ greatest weapon. It was used against P Pius XII, through the play, ‘The Deputy’, written by German communists, that swayed the public to believe Pius did little. Many Jews to this day grow up detesting him.

            The Soviets know the best way to influence people is not by facts but by culture…distorted information in all the fields of art and media and secular education as is the case in our country.

            Looking at Gruner alone sounds like conspiracy.

          • Julie

            So did alot of others.

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            Lisa, God bless you: the CHIEF EXORCIST at the Vatican, and I am sure you know this, Father Amorth, has said openly the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary has NOT BEEN DONE.

            Google, Fr. Amorth, Fatima.

            Here is a recent source, but you will see many all over the Net from reputable Catholic sources.

            https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/exclusive-interview-with-rome-chief-exorcist-fr.-gabriele-amorth

            But Father Gabriele Amorth, 90, known as the dean of the exorcists, as well as a prolific author, does not believe that what was requested by the Blessed Virgin has, in fact, been fulfilled. He asserts in fact that,

            “the Consecration has not yet been made. I was there on March 25 in St. Peter’s Square, I was in the front row, practically within touching distance of the Holy Father. John Paul II wanted to consecrate Russia, but his entourage did not, fearing that the Orthodox would be antagonized, and they almost almost thwarted him. Therefore, when His Holiness consecrated the world on his knees, he added a sentence not included in the distributed version that instead said to consecrate “especially those nations of which you yourself have asked for their consecration.” So, indirectly, this included Russia. However, a specific consecration has not yet been made. You can always do it. Indeed, it will certainly be done … “.

          • Lisa

            Thank you so much for validating what I read! Sometimes I feel so discouraged from what I learned, and what other people say. I feel strongly that there are dark forces out there, who do not want the truth out. . I too want the consecration to be over, but I do not see the evidence. God Bless you too!

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            Julie, the CHIEF EXORCIST at the Vatican, and I am sure you know this, Father Amorth, has said openly the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary has NOT BEEN DONE.

            Google, Fr. Amorth, Fatima.

            Here is a recent source, but you will see many all over the Net from reputable Catholic sources.

            https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/exclusive-interview-with-rome-chief-exorcist-fr.-gabriele-amorth

            But Father Gabriele Amorth, 90, known as the dean of the exorcists, as well as a prolific author, does not believe that what was requested by the Blessed Virgin has, in fact, been fulfilled. He asserts in fact that,

            “the Consecration has not yet been made. I was there on March 25 in St. Peter’s Square, I was in the front row, practically within touching distance of the Holy Father. John Paul II wanted to consecrate Russia, but his entourage did not, fearing that the Orthodox would be antagonized, and they almost almost thwarted him. Therefore, when His Holiness consecrated the world on his knees, he added a sentence not included in the distributed version that instead said to consecrate “especially those nations of which you yourself have asked for their consecration.” So, indirectly, this included Russia. However, a specific consecration has not yet been made. You can always do it. Indeed, it will certainly be done … “.

          • Julie

            In the spirit of the Church….I continue to pray for Russia, for the conversion of sinners and the perseverance of the just….and know the letters sent to all the bishops of the world.

            Sr Lucia said it was imperfect but Mary accepted it.

            Some day we may have another pope who can articulate the name, Russia.

            For me, the worst of the third secret could have been…’the loss of faith in most of the Catholics’…..and who knows…the evil one ascending the throne of Peter.

            Ven Catherine Emmerich said we would have a bishop take the seat and make everything think all religions are the same. We know they are not.

            No..I stay with my own position of prayer and following Mary’s intentions in what she asks us all to do.

          • susan

            It was done. :). But they left off the frosting. And some folks don’t think a cake is a cake unless it has frosting. Even if it’s a very good cake. So yes, like you, I hope to hear the word Russia. :)). Then it’ll be easier to sort the nut jobs from the sincerely concerned folks. Jesus warned us against the deceptions to come. He didn’t exaggerate. And satan has put as much into motion for this final battle as he could. This confusion is just part of it.

          • Julie

            Yes…and i find living out Mary’s request enough to deal with in my daily life….

          • susan

            And i believe you’re doing as Mary desired. This is the year of mercy. It should be just that, a year of mercy.

        • Стефан Евгений

          Julie, so you are going to think all Orthodox as the same, stop throwing rocks and listen.
          What good Orthodox ever go to Catholic answers? most of the comenters are Konvertsy nutters. with no good Orthodox foundation.
          I found that some Catholics are un willing to listen to us. We do have valid points.the West were more indoctrinated than us Russians.
          Have a listen to Bishop Pohalo.

          • Julie

            That was also my inference, agreeing with you. I am referring to our experience dealing with the Orthodox on Catholic Answers…and if you see my comment, one of my friends told me he thought some of them were former ‘protestors’…I am trying not to name any class of believers…but they were so hardened against the papacy, you wonder what their belief system was before they became Orthodox. The worst were eventually banned.

            Of course the Eastern Orthodox have valid points.

            The problem is we need to all be in the Universal Church that incorporates all the apostolic Christians….One, Holy, Catholic (Greek for universal) and apostolic with proper liturgy.

            There is so much to incorporate from one another and this will convert the world as Our Lord said at the Last Supper…we be one so the world may believe.

          • Стефан Евгений
          • Julie

            Thanks…look forward to reading it…love old time religion. My family was the type who lived 5 blocks from a Catholic church.

          • Raph Sebastian

            Brat, I have always seen these “konvertsky nutters” as you put it, try to push the Protestant way into our Church. So many of these newly converted who truly have not embraced all that is Catholic/Orthodox try to modify our traditions and beliefs. They hold seminars and such, adding Protestant pseudo-theology and confusing the younger ones, the older Catholics/Orthodox don’t buy their bullcrap at all, but very few stand up and call them out for it. I do this all the time at church and lay down the beliefs and tell them that their Protestantism has not yet been totally exorcised out of them. It doesn’t go down well with a but most generally agree and support me when I do that..

          • infowolf1

            could you give me an example of this Protestantism? do you mean pews? or the issue of substitutionary atonement and taking the death we deserve so God can take us back into His kingdom without violating His own integrity by breaking His word (St. John Cassian why prayers are offered at sixth hour, St. Athanasius the Great On the Incarnation chapter the divine dilemma and of course St. Symeon the New Theologian in The Sin of Adam)? or is it original sin? of course we don’t have the guilt of Adam we inherit the UNCLEANNESS and PROCLIVITY TO EVIL that Adam acquired, an ontological change.

          • Raph Sebastian

            Simple, konvertsky nutters, as Stephan put it, and I agree with. Why get your panties in a bunch? What part of my comment to Stephan did you not understand? I explained these people who supposedly convert to the Orthodox/Catholic Church but refuse to let go of their Protestantism.instead try to insert their Protestant beliefs . I don’t see how your reply is pertinent to what I said, want to try again?

          • Стефан Евгений

            See this is what is lacking brat, it takes a good 5 years in the church to root out all the proddie thinking. https://02varvara.wordpress.com/2016/05/22/22-may-2016-some-thoughts-on-real-christian-love/

          • waffle_anna

            This is increasingly becoming a problem here in Germany as well. It annoys me to no end when people babble during liturgy.

          • Стефан Евгений
          • Стефан Евгений

            The same same situation I am in brat!
            I have seen how the half-odox tear whole churches apart. we must firmly stand up to them.
            Here is a prime example.
            https://02varvara.wordpress.com/2016/03/20/20-march-2016-cabinet-intel-on-loopy-doings-in-the-wyoming-valley/

          • Raph Sebastian

            We, those who hold steadfast to the authority and teachings of the Church will always be headlong in battle against falsities. We are hardened fighters of the faith and truth, brat. We know what the enemy looks like and have been so up close to them, we even know what they smell like. Keep fighting the good fight, finish the race and keep the faith.

          • Стефан Евгений

            We had this nut that (proddie convert) tossed 200 year old icons b/c to her they did not look Orthodox, she was only to clean not ethnic cleaning.

          • Стефан Евгений

            Brat, i think you like me agree with this poster. This is the Orthodoxy i was raised with, this is why i hate konvertsy,that stump preach on the internet. https://02varvara.wordpress.com/2016/05/14/14-may-2016-its-time-for-real-old-school-orthodoxy-not-phoney-baloney-online-orthodoxy/

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            Ralph, the CHIEF EXORCIST at the Vatican, and I am sure you know this, Father Amorth, has said openly the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary has NOT BEEN DONE.

            Google, Fr. Amorth, Fatima.

            Here is a recent source, but you will see many all over the Net from reputable Catholic sources.

            https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/exclusive-interview-with-rome-chief-exorcist-fr.-gabriele-amorth

            But Father Gabriele Amorth, 90, known as the dean of the exorcists, as well as a prolific author, does not believe that what was requested by the Blessed Virgin has, in fact, been fulfilled. He asserts in fact that,

            “the Consecration has not yet been made. I was there on March 25 in St. Peter’s Square, I was in the front row, practically within touching distance of the Holy Father. John Paul II wanted to consecrate Russia, but his entourage did not, fearing that the Orthodox would be antagonized, and they almost almost thwarted him. Therefore, when His Holiness consecrated the world on his knees, he added a sentence not included in the distributed version that instead said to consecrate “especially those nations of which you yourself have asked for their consecration.” So, indirectly, this included Russia. However, a specific consecration has not yet been made. You can always do it. Indeed, it will certainly be done … “.

          • Raph Sebastian

            Yes I tend to agree with Father Armorth as well as the late Father Malachi Martin. Consecration to the world without specifically mentioning Russia is not fulfillment of the requirement. I totally am with you on this.

          • susan

            What did Sister Lucia say about how the unity would start? That has already happened. We have a half baked loaf at worst. I believe it was accomplished. This confusion will undoubtedly linger until both come together. One to give willingly. The other to receive willingly. Is pride more important than nuclear war?

          • Raph Sebastian

            No I do not want to see a nuclear war, dear sister. And yes, it is for us to come together and have an understanding as to what has happened. It would take our current pope if not the next to clarify this. Pope Emeritus BXVI already said the whole third letter was published. That is the truth since PEBXVI is no liar.

          • susan

            Exactly! :)).

            And as for the US and Russia, they need to just need to respect each other’s space. How would we feel if Russia lined up on our Canadian borders? And started arming terrorists? And all the other stuff we’re (US) doing that Walid has been warning us about? There needs to be more respect there. Russians are good people. Let the competitive nature be used in Sports. 🙂 We’ve sent too many of our boys to die in the Middle East. And now we’re helping the antichrist. I used to think we could wash both houses to get them cleaned. Now it’s beginning to look like a gut job. :(. We’re going to have to break it down piece by piece and see who’s salvageable.

          • Raph Sebastian

            As far as I know, and based on how the current state the military of the USA is, it would be foolish to even try to poke the bear. The US military in general has been gutted over the last 7 years under Obama, operational readiness is at its lowest. The number of active service members is at the 1940’s level. I can go on describing the atrocious levels the military is at but that would take far too much space.

            The thing is Russia will and won’t back down, Putin is going to look at what is best for Russia first, be it Crimea, Ukraine, Latvia or any of the Baltic states just like how Israel would do what it can to ensure her interests come first. The US military is in no state to even try to start anything, this is contingent on a president Trump and he immediately starts rebuilding from day one. But Trump has openly said his policy will be peace through strength, a strong military would mean no one would dare push the envelope as we have seen Iran, N. Korea and China have blatantly done under this administration.

            I am confident a president Trump will see a new era in growth and peace through strength, even Russia wants a president Trump as does Putin for these two are on the same level of respect to begin with.

            While all this is happening, we should not stop praying for peace and to prepare ourselves for the LORD’s return.

          • Julie

            ‘throwing rocks?’

          • Стефан Евгений

            Da, zakhuyarit! Not all Orthodox are the same, some of us have a better foundation than others…..you are thinking we all are like the nutters posting on Catholic fourms. Most are mewing nappie wearing brats,pretending to be a authority. Take it from this old Hunky,we are not like the Ivans, that post on the internet.

          • Julie

            Thank you. Yes they are brats and worse. We cannot say anything and have to bear it.

      • Стефан Евгений

        We have no problem with it. we teach that Mary never sinned.
        http://oca.org/questions/saints/sinlessness-of-mary

        • Trevor

          The OCA is one of my favorite websites. I go there daily for my readings to get nourishment.

          • Стефан Евгений

            Trevor, it is proper English, we got our English translations at the turn of the century when real English was spoken.

      • Julie

        I found the link to P Benedict’s…added it and Anthony got it from another source.

  • richinnameonly

    I hope the answers are yes and yes. The West going to war with Russia in 2017 is about one of the last things I would want to see happen. I’m hoping for the opposite, but maybe my timing is way off.

    • susan

      Only satan desired the destruction of mankind. Prophecy clearly states that news from the North will trouble him. A game of chicken between Russia and the US is Erdogan’s wet bloody dream. Perhaps it’s time we woke him up for a change.

  • AnthonyM

    Those best in the know, say Yes, and Yes.
    Recently Pope Benedict broke his silence to say “Saturday, using a statement from the Vatican Press Office to insist that claims the famed “Third Secret” of Fatima has not been revealed in full “are pure inventions, absolutely untrue.””
    http://www.cruxnow.com/church/2016/05/21/pope-benedict-denies-theres-more-to-third-secret-of-fatima/

    Also Sr Lucia confirmed the consecration was finally done properly “Then this same Supreme Pontiff, John Paul II wrote to all the bishops of the world asking them to unite with him. He sent for the statute of Our Lady of Fátima — the one from the little Chapel to be taken to Rome and on March 25, 1984 – publicly – with the bishops who wanted to unite with His Holiness, made the Consecration as Our Lady requested. They then asked me if it was made as Our Lady requested, and I said, “YES.” Now it was made.”

    Still we should all continue to pray for the US, Russia, and other countries, the Pope, and priests, and be alert to what is going on in the world.

    P.S. The actions and statements of NATO show it has outlived its usefulness, and needs to be rechartered before they cause a global conflagration to justify their existence.
    Trump can fix NATO.

    • susan

      Trump 2016. He’s going to keep us all busy.

    • Julie

      Thanks, Anthony….found the same at another source, added it to my post.

      Pope Benedict is a man of great honesty and truth.

      the Lord never calls us to confusion and we already had the truth with JP II in 2000.

    • Willing to die for Jesus

      AnthonyM, the CHIEF EXORCIST at the Vatican, and I am sure you know this, Father Amorth, has said openly the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary has NOT BEEN DONE.

      Google, Fr. Amorth, Fatima.

      Here is a recent source, but you will see many all over the Net from reputable Catholic sources.

      https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/exclusive-interview-with-rome-chief-exorcist-fr.-gabriele-amorth

      But Father Gabriele Amorth, 90, known as the dean of the exorcists, as well as a prolific author, does not believe that what was requested by the Blessed Virgin has, in fact, been fulfilled. He asserts in fact that,

      “the Consecration has not yet been made. I was there on March 25 in St. Peter’s Square, I was in the front row, practically within touching distance of the Holy Father. John Paul II wanted to consecrate Russia, but his entourage did not, fearing that the Orthodox would be antagonized, and they almost almost thwarted him. Therefore, when His Holiness consecrated the world on his knees, he added a sentence not included in the distributed version that instead said to consecrate “especially those nations of which you yourself have asked for their consecration.” So, indirectly, this included Russia. However, a specific consecration has not yet been made. You can always do it. Indeed, it will certainly be done … “.

  • Saxon Warrior

    Why Russia? Because Putin is the only leader standing against a Godless NWO, a NWO that is doing everything it can to allow Muslims to destroy Western civilization.
    Putin’s Russia is the only major nation that is encouraging a regrowth in Christianity, that is bringing in laws to prevent the spread of Sodomist propaganda, and that is actively warning of the dangers of radical Islam.

    • Julie

      Yes and no….I also see he has two sides to him, but yes, am seeing in him a conversion and the re insertion of religion into military as well….

    • susan

      I think the Senate voted to approve our first openly gay commander. Hard to imagine but that’s what I read they did.

    • Стефан Евгений

      Thank you SW for your kind words,and reason.

  • Georgeorwell

    I do not think the secret has been fully revealed for these reasons:

    1. The Fatima message was to be revealed in 1960 and it was not. Why. Because as Akita and other prophecies have said there would be a evil counsel and an apostasy in the Church. If the man who brought the revolution of Vatican II to reality, Pope John the XXIII, knew this he would not have revealed it because it would ended the revolution. The revolution happened and those who read the secret said Akita is identical;

    2. What was revealed was supposed to be about JPII, however, it read nothing like what happened during his attempted assassination;

    3. We are living in a time of Bishop against Bishop and many are now calling the crisis in the Church worse than the Arian Heresy(I have even heard this from Novus Ordo priest in my diocese);

    4. The time we are in and a destroyer anti-pope was also foreseen by St Francis of Assises in 1226, we now have such a destroyer;

    5. Benedict is purported to have read the prophecy and his behavior as Pope shows that the office changed the man. His restoration of the Tridentine Mass was a bomb shell that shocked the modernists who spent 50 years suppressing the Mass. Benedict before he was pope was no traditionalist;

    6. It was foreseen that the pope would be a prisoner in the Vatican. If you remember the history of Benedict’s abdication he intended to retire to Austria where a residence was being prepared for him. Instead he is confined to a papal apartment in Rome and can not leave unless summoned by Francis;

    7. The Chastisement of Europe is going just as the prophets have said; and

    8. Other prophecies on this topic read like a history book.

    It makes perfect sense now why these men refused to reveal it when it has been revealed that the Fatima secret spoke of an evil counsel and, for the first time as far as I know, an evil Mass. Also, why is the east and west preparing for war if Russia is consecrated? Rumor has it that when Putin visited the Vatican in 2015 he ask Francis for the consecration and was rebuked. How much louder does God have to shout at those Catholics awake enough to hear that He has not been obeyed! If He has been then this is not much of a time of the triumph of the Church and looks more like the Apocalypse.

    The totality of the objective evidence does not support the narrative that the secret was revealed and Russia consecrated. The bishop dressed in white in the secret that was revealed looks more and more like Benedict at some future terrible event probably a sacking of the Vatican by the Muslims.

    • Vinny Zee

      Your best point is point 5. Benedict XVI decreed that all priests of the Latin Rite are free to offer the Traditional Latin Mass. When the Missal of Pope Paul VI took effect in 1970, it was widely and falsely believed the Traditional Latin Mass (the 1962 Missal) had been abrogated and suspended. In spite of this erroneous belief, interest in the old form of the Mass persisted. In 1984 John Paul II gave limited permission for the 1962 mass to be offered with the approval of local bishops. Later, in 1988, he called for, “wide and generous application” of the Latin Mass. It was Benedict, however, in Summorum Pontificum, who put into place new directive for the use of the 1962 Missal. Replacing the directives of John Paul II in Ecclesia Dei, Pope Benedict declared the priests no longer needed permission from the Apostolic See or from his ordinary to offer the Mass from either the 1962 or 1970 Missal.

      Since this decree, over 100 new Latin Masses have started and the number of Latin masses offered are now over 300. Perhaps the church is going to see a purification by fire? A purification that, for failure to publish the secret (if this actually what happened), the Latin Mass has begun to spread like wildfire among the faithful “those being refined through the fire.”

      • Julie

        I hear from people my age nobody is interested. Well, there are more and more young people drawn to the Latin Mass.

        My new archbishop loves the high pontifical Mass.

        But sitting at breakfast time with our pastor, he said it would take an edictfor him to pray the Latin Mass.

        I think of the terrible suffering of people today and find the Happy Clappy Mass so indifferent and out of touch.

        • Vinny Zee

          There is an interesting mix of ages in the Latin Mass where I go. However, this same mix is found among those at the divine liturgy too. I am not sure what age the people of your age are. However, I have found among those that were raised and knew the Latin mass, they would say it should have never been changed. I only knew there was a different form of the mass because my parents talked about it, mostly my dad. As a kid I thought it was strange that the entire mass would have been said in Latin. Why would anyone do that? I also knew nothing of the eastern rite churches then either. However, and after having traveled around as an adult, I learned the sure foundation that was the Latin Mass. I have nothing to compare it to. I only knew Novus Ordo my entire life. Actually, the only thing I could compare it to (if there can be a comparison) is the divine liturgy. I say this because the divine liturgy has not undergone what the Latin Mass went through with the change after Vatican II. The first time I ever went to the Latin Mass, I was out of sorts. However, because of my experience with the divine liturgy in both Greek and Ukranian, I knew it would not be long before the language was not the barrier and also with my understanding of the order, the Latin Mass would be something in which I could worship.

          I think the bigger issue of people “not being interested” goes to something so much deeper than whether the order of the mass is Novus Ordo or Latin. I think I goes to a lot of what some others have brought to light, and namely this is the infiltration of the church on so many levels with ecumenism, communism, apathy, radicalism, etc. All of these forces, over time, have created an apathetic laity. Couple this with growing materialism, growing skepticism and people get worn down. I once read a story once, of which I have faint memory now, but of disciples of an elder who was in prison. They traveled through much difficulty to reach his jail cell. When they made it they wanted to celebrate the Lord’s supper with him, for he was weak. He told them to use his body as the alter upon which to celebrate the supper. Compare that with today, where education abounds and parishes are flourishing, (without really any persecution) to which one can attend the Novus Ordo or the Latin mass. However, you have the issue of people who are just not interested. We cannot allow the apathy of others to deter us from the call Christ has placed within all of us. Society, though increasing in knowledge and freedom is really deteriorating and decaying. It will take much prayer and sacrifice to turn the hearts of the young and old back to Christ. All we can do is be faithful.

          • Julie

            I really like your post. Totally agree with you…Western Christianity without the Cross.

            I am scandalized by the silence of the Church.

            I am going to write a letter to our Catholic Sentinel, and broadly described the treatment of Christians, Muslims and other minorities by ISIS and others who think all these people have worked for, actually belong as property to these ignorant Middle Eastern Muslims.

            I don’t think our comfort is long lasting.

            I was young but attended the Latin Mass and it did not keep me from my faith in Christ. I remember when the altar was changed when I was in the sixth grade and had no adjustment to it.

            But it was the teaching that was watered down. No more talk of sin and hell…all about relating to others. Like we are hearing today from high places. The Baltimore Catechism and my parents’ weekly calls kept me on the straight and narrow when I was single….

            There are young people in their 20’s and 30’s who are being drawn to the Latin Mass and likewise have no issue with Novus Ordo.

            The problem for me is those who are working against the Latin Mass saying nobody wants it. I have already corrected a top lay theologian in the country for his position.

      • Willing to die for Jesus

        Vinny, the CHIEF EXORCIST at the Vatican, and I am sure you know this, Father Amorth, has said openly the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary has NOT BEEN DONE.

        Google, Fr. Amorth, Fatima.

        Here is a recent source, but you will see many all over the Net from reputable Catholic sources.

        https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/exclusive-interview-with-rome-chief-exorcist-fr.-gabriele-amorth

        But Father Gabriele Amorth, 90, known as the dean of the exorcists, as well as a prolific author, does not believe that what was requested by the Blessed Virgin has, in fact, been fulfilled. He asserts in fact that,

        “the Consecration has not yet been made. I was there on March 25 in St. Peter’s Square, I was in the front row, practically within touching distance of the Holy Father. John Paul II wanted to consecrate Russia, but his entourage did not, fearing that the Orthodox would be antagonized, and they almost almost thwarted him. Therefore, when His Holiness consecrated the world on his knees, he added a sentence not included in the distributed version that instead said to consecrate “especially those nations of which you yourself have asked for their consecration.” So, indirectly, this included Russia. However, a specific consecration has not yet been made. You can always do it. Indeed, it will certainly be done … “.

    • Julie

      Get his book, ‘Spirit of the Liturgy’. He used to be a liberal and went through his own conversion! I speak of Pope Benedict.

      The secret was revealed…remember, for the pope in 1960 and P John XIII read it and was appalled.

  • Vinny Zee

    My biggest concern with the fact there is a possibility the third secret of Fatima has not been revealed and which is causing such consternation is that this also subtly plays into and in effect proves the Protestant and sectarian arguments of the ways the Vatican “corrupted the faith.” These arguments go into also sorts of conspiracy theories about the papacy, the twisting and changing of scripture to the covering up of multiple secrets etc. Many have fought for years to overcome these attacks and show the faithfulness of the Church throughout the centuries.

    Enter stage left the Third Secret of Fatima and whether it was concealed or revealed. God forbid (I hate to say it this way) that it was concealed. This opens the Pandora’s box of, “What else has the Catholic church hid from us all these years?” Protestants will then have their swan song of why the Reformation was correct, why the church was corrupt, etc.

    Andrew, I’d much prefer to see if it is possible that Dr. Kickson, Steve, or yourself can take up an issue further that even Steve raises is possible, “namely there is also the issue, raised by Marco Tosatti, of internal questioning within the Vatican apparatus about which portions of an additional explanatory text, if it exists, can be attributed to Our Lady, and which to Sister Lucia?” I feel this issue has to be addressed more in depth in this regard.

    An issue like this, is akin to an individual committing perjury in court. Once an individual is perjured, they are for the most part forever perjured. If the Vatican has concealed this secret, the Church will never again be able to have any credibility and claim she has conducted herself infallibly in all other areas. Even as Steve noted,

    • Georgeorwell

      Actually fear not what this reveals is that the Catholic Church is the one True Church and the Protestants are not. Here is why: VII was a council founded on false eccuminism not of return to the Catholic Church but in the capitulation to the position all “christian” faiths are the same and equal paths to salvation to the point the Destroyer says the same about Muslims, atheist and Jews. The Mass was changed to make it more Protestant to the point the NO is indistinguishable from the Calvinist and Episcopalian so called “mass”, which is condemned not only by the Council of Trent but our Lord as well. Make no mistake Trent condemns the novelties of VII almost line by line.

      Why would God be concerned about the heresy of an already heretical sect? As prophecy has shown God was not warning us of the way it was in the Church but the way it would be–what was to occur in the future. Scripture by the way predicted this as well when The Lord Jesus Christ said, “when he returns will he find any faithful left”, and, “if the time would not be shortened even the elect will be deceived if possible”. The deception is in the false church which sits atop and occupies the True Church–what we have now with the NO sect–otherwise there is no deception. This is right out of Daniel and the abomination of desolation which is the thing that sits atop and up against true alter. The table of a meal has replaced the perpetual unbloody sacrifice of the Son to the Father represented upon the alter of Calvary. Look at an old Catholic Church which still has the high alter and look at what sits atop the alter and is against the high alter(the alter includes the foot pace and extends to the rail), the table of VII. As our Lord and King said when you see the abomination of desolation in the Holy Place know the end is near.

      Dicit qui testimonium perhibet istorum. Etiam venio cito: amen. Veni, Domine Jesu!

      • Trevor

        “Here is why: VII was a council founded on false eccuminism not of
        return to the Catholic Church but in the capitulation to the position
        all “christian” faiths are the same and equal paths to salvation to the
        point the Destroyer says the same about Muslims, atheist and Jews.”

        You have just described Sufism and their doctrine perfectly.

        • Raph Sebastian

          And this is why I continue to call out Protestantism as a heresy. Many would want to push that “separated brethren” narrative in order to seem to want to have unity. If unity comes with the price of losing the Catholic identity, then no thanks.

          Over and over I have put this across over the years on here, that there is ONLY ONE TRUTH, the TRUTH that the CHURCH the LORD founded teaches. All others are falsities. Many are offended, even among Catholics when I say this, but it’s the truth and the truth is never PC.

          • Julie

            There is only One Church. Marks in this order: One, holy Catholic, apostolic. Simple. Done 2000 years ago.

            A priest said the Trinitarian baptism brings all recipients into the Catholic church in the broadest sense so in that way they are our separated brothers and sisters.

          • Raph Sebastian

            Dear Sister, I get the separated brethren argument and the theological implications, but not the narrative that we should accommodate their beliefs. After all “separated” here means from the truth, the fullness of the truth and the faith. And anything that is an adulteration of that truth is a heresy.

          • Julie

            If we accommodate them at their level, we accommodate them to continue to focus in essence God takes care of me, God blesses me, not to worry, etc….all on the temporal.

            They never have the opportunity to experience God in the Eternal Presence of the Word Made Flesh.

            I have a faith formation director who is a former Lutheran and does not believe in infant baptism and let the kids find their own…I came to the conclusion she is not fully converted to the Catholic faith, has the posture of a bully grandma type, shows up for everything, has her finger in everything, and blocks me …to the point a fellow member of our group from NYC, a grandfather, said ‘Let her talk.’…………..I am dividing my time with that parish and the other that really is my parish boundary parish……history going back 25 years of poor pastoring. Now finally are getting a new priest this summer. I hope to spend more time there ….

          • Michellemaria

            Amen to that Raph. We stay 100% authentic Catholic, no room for compromise. Why should we anyway? NO PROTESTANT WAY OF THINKING SHOULD COME INTO THE CHURCH!

          • Trevor

            I told a Protestant who is now banned from the site that there are over twenty different Bible versions and over a hundred different interpretation. As you already know, Peter forbids private interpretation and how many are guilty of that violation?

            They will not admit their error because of pride.

          • Raph Sebastian

            They will continue on their merry way spouting the same tired drivel and slander against Catholics no matter where theygo. There is only change when they have that “a-ha!” moment when they realize the falsity of their beliefs. So many formerly hateful, prideful and vile Protestants have had their “a-ha” moments and have returned home to the Church the LORD founded.

            And then again, there are just as many lukewarm, uncatechized Catholics that take the easy route to Protestantism because of personal issues, like divorce, “a bad church”, priests, people etc etc. I always say that if one loses his faith and leaves the Apostolic Church because of a few rotten scoundrels and people, then their faith was never in God but was heavily invested in people instead.

          • Trevor

            Reminds me of the parable of the vineyard owner.

          • Raph Sebastian

            Exactly, dear brother.

      • Willing to die for Jesus

        Georgeorwell, the CHIEF EXORCIST at the Vatican, and I am sure you know this, Father Amorth, has said openly the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary has NOT BEEN DONE.

        Google, Fr. Amorth, Fatima.

        Here is a recent source, but you will see many all over the Net from reputable Catholic sources.

        https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/exclusive-interview-with-rome-chief-exorcist-fr.-gabriele-amorth

        But Father Gabriele Amorth, 90, known as the dean of the exorcists, as well as a prolific author, does not believe that what was requested by the Blessed Virgin has, in fact, been fulfilled. He asserts in fact that,

        “the Consecration has not yet been made. I was there on March 25 in St. Peter’s Square, I was in the front row, practically within touching distance of the Holy Father. John Paul II wanted to consecrate Russia, but his entourage did not, fearing that the Orthodox would be antagonized, and they almost almost thwarted him. Therefore, when His Holiness consecrated the world on his knees, he added a sentence not included in the distributed version that instead said to consecrate “especially those nations of which you yourself have asked for their consecration.” So, indirectly, this included Russia. However, a specific consecration has not yet been made. You can always do it. Indeed, it will certainly be done … “.

  • Indian Christian Crusader

    Here is a rough guess in case a world war 3 happens (just a rough guess):

    If USA and Russia go to war each other, the two super powers will check
    themselves out and weaken into just ordinary places where survivors
    remain hidden and scattered. Far off places like Australia, Canada, etc can become shepherd nations.

    The remaining power would be Caliphate led by Turkey and the Eastern nations of India and China in the world. Erdogan will unite all the Muslim nations as “family” and become caliphate and he will offer the world solutions through Sufism after the devastation caused by nuclear wars between 2017 and 2022. Europe would be over-run with Muslims and weakened.

    Caliphate’s borders will borders will touch India through Pakistan and touch China through Central asian states. China and India will then be blackmailed by Islamic ottoman Caliphate and their oil supplies cut off, and China and India will together mass massive armies to attack the Caliphate from the east to access the oil. News from the east will worry the Muslim caliph Antichrist.

    I have only one message to both Americans and russians : “please, don’t fight each other, if you do, the only winner will be Erdogan and the Muslims ,so please Sir Putin and American politicians, don’t fight each other.”

    • Trevor

      Pray for us, Indian, that America elect Trump because Putin respects Trump and Trump respects Putin. America has a lot of repenting to do.

      • Eric

        Trevor, as I look through the bible, God often brings in leaders to help with the repentance part, or at least spur it. America certainly needs to repent, no doubt about it. As we’ve seen, our government has gone rogue. Now, Trump certainly isn’t scholarly in biblical matters, but I do love his America first and Christian First policy. I believe God is sending Trump to help us. We certainly need all the help and prayer that we can get!

        • Julie

          We pray very much for Trump.

          How much need we all have to pray! I live a very simple busy life, but very ordinary. But here is where our prayers work best…in the ordinary united with Our Lord.

          • Eric

            Indeed, Julie. Trump and America as a whole are on my daily prayer list. Prayer is a wonderful thing, and you are right: our prayers work best in our everyday walk with God. 🙂

  • susan

    Purification. A spotless bride. Great wrath and fury.

  • Trevor

    The problem is actually very simple, but we know in truth, politicians like to muck things up as they always do.

    Turkey is pushing NATO and Russia to war. That’s it. Turkey has animosity toward Russia, and the feeling is mutual. If folks have read Tom Clancy’s novel, The Sum of All Fears, or seen the movie, this is precisely what is playing out before our eyes.

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/as-nato-bolsters-its-southern-flank.aspx?pageID=449&nID=99509&NewsCatID=570

    If Turkey can get Russia and NATO to cancel each other out, what better way than to conquer the world because two superpowers would have been reduced to shells of their former selves. However, God will not be denied.

  • rodolfo

    May our Lord Jesus Christ our Shepherd gather us in His flock and do not let us go astray. I am still struggling to live my life according to the Words of the Father as taught to us by Jesus Christ. May Christ have mercy on us.

    • Trevor

      I try to remember to pray the Jesus Prayer:

      “O Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.” Source.

  • Craig A. Mouldey

    I hope there is not war of this sort. If there is, don’t think we in North America will be able to sit home and watch it on TV. It will be here too. What do I see? Who is war mongering? Who is invading, love bombing to obliteration one country after another? Is it Russia? NO, it is the U.S. and Nato. Who is forcing perverse life styles on the public? Not Russia. It is the west. Who has placed missiles all around Russia? And this is not an attempt to provoke a war? All I know is the wicked end times ruler is disturbed by reports from the north. That appears to be Russia. Where is the mighty international police man U.S.A.? They can destroy stable countries who can’t defend themselves and kill millions, but they can never actually win a war they start. I think the U.S. is going to come crashing down and it is well deserved.

    • Julie

      I saw a program last night about the culinary lifestyle of the citizens of Georgia that were invaded by Russia that took part of their land.

      I remember a reporter quitting Russian Tv because she could not be involved with lies.

      There are still alot of bad people in Russia who have power. We must continue to pray.

      The USA spreads so much destruction of the family.

      And Mary said at Fatima more souls go to hell on account of the sins of the flesh than any other sin. And our country leads many to there. And yes…in many ways you are right.

      But i pray for our country all the time as well as for others…through Mary’s request at Fatima.

      Bless you!

      • Стефан Евгений

        You, need to stop looking at TV.

        • Julie

          My son has an online friend from tbilisi and he learned to make the dumplings.

  • Chinese man

    I wish Mr Constantine(Walid) can give us a Timeline with the sequence of events leading up to the Messiah Jesus landing on Mount Olive.

    Because he is currently the best End time teacher to depend on.

    I will surely follow and monitor his timeline chart daily.

    Things are getting confusing.

    Mr Andrew, please relay my humble request to Mr Constantine. Thanks.

    • Chinese man,

      Timelines are the worst idea to write prophetic issues since the Bible does not provide a timeline.

      • Chinese man

        You are very right Mr Walid.

        I apologies.

        What I am trying to ask is I hope you can give me a rough sequence of events leading to Christ coming as a general guide.

        It will be very helpful to me and perhaps the readers here.

        Because there are many confusing events happening.

  • Julie

    Rev 12, the woman clothed with the sun, 12 stars around her head…the apostles, the perfection of faith…the universal apostolic church.

  • Стефан Евгений

    I don’t buy it either. But if others choose it that is ok, just don’t try to force it on me.

  • Julie

    You have to read Church history in context.

    You are jumping to conclusions without reading the event in the late 1100’s in Constantinople to Latin Catholics.

    And you did not read that the Church excommunicated those Norman crusaders who desecrated sacred places.

    The Church was one prior to the Schism. There is great gifts to both and once we are re united, we hope the world will believe.

    All patriarchs follow the most accurate translation of the Bible since the beginning of the Universal Church, the Septuagint, which was the one Our Lord and the apostles used.

    All churches worship Almighty God with proper worship found in the liturgy which is our expression of faith and nourishment in the Covenant of the Blood, where we encounter the Lordm the Word Made flesh realized in Word and transcended to the summit of the Eucharist.

    All churches have their bishops as we have been faithful to the foundation of the tradition of the Church — how the Word of God is to be integrated into every day life, since our beginning.

    And we are all apostolic, ours founded by the apostles, true witness to the Lord.

  • Julie

    Atheistic Russia is still there…Orthodox are returning and their numbers growing.

  • Julie

    For Raph, the first indicator is the hatred and invalidation of the primacy of Peter.

    I took a seminar on the roots of the papacy, as well as in depth education in what is actually meant by papal infallibility…it cannot happen without certain conditions.

    Another is the intense and irrational anger that the Church defined the Blessed Mother as the Immaculate Conception, when the Orthodox likewise believe she is without sin.

    Another is the irrational reaction to Mary’s assumption into heaven. The Church does not know if she went to sleep, died was resurrected alive….so the word, ‘assumption’, to assume is used.

    They cannot stand the Western church defining anything when its history and charism includes systematic theology, whereas the Orthodox are noted for their deep spirituality, profound liturgies, and not always trying to define anything and everything….like limbo for babies when we Catholics always sensed it was not right. It turns out it was never defined as a doctrine either.

    The other is that they refuse to study the Catholic catechism as do many other protestants.

    And we can make some little comment and some immediately come back and call me a heretic when I am quoting our defined beliefs.

    Irrational. No charity…superiority complex.

    There is a new book that came out, ‘Bearing False Witness’ that covers the misconceptions about Catholics that have perpetuated for hundreds of years. Dr Stuhrling…i believe is the author, professor at University of WA, my alma mater.

    I would recommend you get it…

    • Raph Sebastian

      Spot on dear sister Julie! That is in essence what separates truth from the muddy waters of Protestantism. Today’s Protestantism is a far cry from what their founders envisioned, today’s Protestantism is dominated by Americanized Protestantism, which relies on ignorance of the gullible and rote learning of falsities. Some actually believe that the true measure of a Christian is how many bible verses one can quote verbatim. Such is the depravity of this Americanized Protestantism.

      • Julie

        There is a book I just ordered. Found out about it a few days ago…’Bearing False Witness’….a U of WA professor, non Catholic, who lays out the misconceptions about our Church and faith.

        Got mine on Amazon. Dr Stuhrling?…my alma mater…U of WA.

        • Raph Sebastian

          I am reading it as well, Jimmy Akin was talking a little about it on CA open forum. It is one of the highly recommended reads for this summer, this and the Apostasy that Never Was.
          I am glad that these books are available today, especially during times when keeping the faith can be challenging, and slanderers abound repeating the same old tired lies.

          • Julie

            Looking forward to it and hope to show it to my family…

      • Julie

        And yes, American Protestantism….the mainline are disappearing that have some roots left of their Catholic faith….how these sects going around spreading hatred towards us….

  • Raph Sebastian

    I don’t even know what you are getting at, what examples do you want? Like what Julie said, one “convert” from Lutheranism into the Catholic Church refusing to accept infant baptism? Protestants that “converted” into the Catholic Church and refuse to believe in the real presence? “Converts” that deny Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of the LORD in the Blessed Sacrament? What sort of examples you want? This is the essence of my post to Stephan. Tat “konvertsky nutters” refusing to fully enter the faith and believe.

  • Стефан Евгений

    HOOMIE?

  • Стефан Евгений

    So Padmoshensky and Rose,two blue boys (FAGS) run off in the woods to play monk. I hope they repented…. NONE HAD ANY MONASTIC FOUNDATION…. i met them in my young dumb days, and was taken for a ride. I know better now.
    Russians, do use the word Konvertsy to discribe nutters that are hard hearted and are unwilling to love your brother

    конверт konvert = evenvelope…. is it full or empty, or does the flap get stuck.
    You sound like the HOOM or a Platina nut.
    http://www.pokrov.org/persons/father-herman-podmoshensky/

    https://orthodoxwiki.org/Holy_Order_of_MANS

  • Стефан Евгений

    On his point you just proved it.
    St. John Chrysostom: “The Church is a hospital, and not a courtroom, for souls”
    The toll house crap is gnostic it reads like the book of the dead. The Holy synod put a lid on it.

  • Isaiah5512

    Yes, that is the bottom line, Lou… to not be troubled over such things. Jesus said these things MUST come to pass, but that “the end” is still a ways off in the future.

  • Isaiah5512

    Pope John XXIII had Fatima’s Third Secret read to him by Cardinal Ottaviani, Prefect of the Holy Office. On 2/8/60. it was suddenly learned through a simple Portuguese press agency communiqué, that the 3rd secret of Fatima would not be published, and that it probably never would be disclosed. The Vatican communiqué ended: ”Although the Church recognizes the Fatima apparitions, She does not desire to take the responsibility of guaranteeing the veracity of the words the three shepherd children said that the Virgin Mary had addressed to them.”

    Pope John XXIII believed the vision at Fatima had occurred, but, speaking for himself and for the church, through that Portuguese press agency communiqué, he simply could not put any weight into what the children reported had been uttered to them by the apparition of The Virgin Mary, which according to 100 year old Cardinal Capovilla, who also read The Third Secret of Fatima, said it “concerns ‘an extraordinary event’ and a ‘manifestation of the supernatural’ .”

    Read more here: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mysticpost/2016/02/26/100-year-old-cardinal-read-fatimas-third-secret-says-it-concerns-an-extraordinary-event-and-a-manifestation-of-the-supernatural/

  • Isaiah5512

    Pope John XXIII had Fatima’s Third Secret read to him by Cardinal Ottaviani, Prefect of the Holy Office. On 2/8/60. it was suddenly learned through a simple Portuguese press agency communiqué, that the 3rd secret of Fatima would not be published, and that it probably never would be disclosed. The Vatican communiqué ended: ”Although the Church recognizes the Fatima apparitions, She does not desire to take the responsibility of guaranteeing the veracity of the words the three shepherd children said that the Virgin Mary had addressed to them.”

    Pope John XXIII believed the vision at Fatima had occurred, but, speaking for himself and for the church, through that Portuguese press agency communiqué, he simply could not put any weight into what the children reported had been uttered to them by the apparition of The Virgin Mary, which according to 100 year old Cardinal Capovilla, who also read The Third Secret of Fatima, said “concerns ‘an extraordinary event’ and a ‘manifestation of the supernatural’ .”

    Read more here: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mysticpost/2016/02/26/100-year-old-cardinal-read-fatimas-third-secret-says-it-concerns-an-extraordinary-event-and-a-manifestation-of-the-supernatural/

  • susan

    Thank you Julie! People spend so much time worrying about big calamities that they overlook confession, mortal sins, His body and blood, the true apostolic church. We may not even live to see the end. A car crash or heart attack could end our life today. We need to take advantage of this year of mercy. The church has already given the people the clearest clue possible. Times of calamity have happened and they are coming again. Walid has been pulling people into the ship right and left, all who will come. :). He’s been clearing the way. Correcting falsehoods. And revealing the antichrist. Who is not and will not be the Pope. Or Putin. It’s erdogan that keeps fulfilling the scriptures for antichrist.

    • Julie

      Yes, totally agree.

      And yes, it looks like Erdogan….

      • susan

        Although he may be usurped too before the end. 😉

    • Julie

      I notice now how some get mad and insinuate more on your character because you don’t agree with them.

      Point is to follow the Church’s guide in the Lord to our salvation and not look to man.

      • susan

        Anger is normal. I get angry too at times. The difference is when they attack your character. It takes a little time to get where one can respectfully disagree and still continue to work for the greater good. 🙂

        • Julie

          True…we have to order our lives to the Cross.

          • susan

            And that for me is a daily, sometimes hourly struggle.

          • Julie

            You look at the world around us…Sr Faustina said we would not see how much redemptive suffering we offer up to the Lord is so valuable to Him in heaven, and we won’t know until the next life.

            Looking at the world around us…..perhaps yours is truly in the Lord’s….so much to offer Him for reparation and conversion and perseverance.

          • susan

            Lol. He is the King. And He is my consolation. :)). The rest is a marathon that doesn’t go to the swift or the capable. Just the needy and the poor in Spirit. 🙂

  • Стефан Евгений

    robert, Clinton is stooped, second she makes money from all the war hawks in DC.

  • Стефан Евгений

    The key word is WAS. Thank GOD that righties or far lefties did not stiffle the Church. right wingers are the greatest enemy the Church has to date.
    Thank full that I was under the Moscow Patriarchate.
    American converts have a hard time breaking the chains of Right or Left and don’t see the Church is for all the Gin-full Sin-full.

  • Julie

    Judging by appearances.

    I am Catholic because I encounter the fullness of Christ there…I do not put my faith in man.

    You are in man made Christianity whose devotions primarily focus on individual interpretation…praise….and good teaching…..but so many times the focus is still on the temporal world….and no witnesses to the Resurrection of Our Lord…in the lives of the saints.

    What the Church considers who is a canonized saint is very different from the other beliefs in Christianity..I also think of the Mormons…you sign up, you are automatic saint…and we aren’t.

    You don’t know the difference…because you are outside the Lord’s physical presence among us that incorporates us into His eternal life…now….in the Mass and sacraments.

    Being in the Lord….through the Church….brings us before Him in the outer form of bread and wine and tabernacle….for 2,000 years.

  • Julie

    I am sharing the predictions now of British General Sir Alexander Richard Shireff, read that Fr Amorth was there witnessing John Paul II consecrate the world and Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, saw ‘politicos’ tell him over and over not to say the name, ‘Russia’ but did allude to her in the rest of his phraseology….

    And in contrast to Fr Gruner, Sister Lucia of Fatima who was one of the seers and lived a long life to explain the consecration, stated that however imperfect, Mary accepted the consecration.

    The Soviet Union was preparing for war and one by one, its dictators were removed, and Gorbachev came to the scene and communism collapsed.

    What I am seeing is not so much the issue with Russia now, but the corruption and immorality of the West and turning its back on Christ.

    It is more about the West rejecting Christ and will suffer the consequences of war with Russia and Turkey.