Iran’s Ally Launched Two Long Range Giant Missiles Which Nearly Hit Mecca Revealing That Mecca’s End Is Near

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By Walid Shoebat

The Yemeni Shiite Houthis have always wanted to send a long suppository to Saudi Arabia and so they developed scuds, Volcano 1, range 800 kilometers. Not only did they develop it, but they fired a couple of these babies just a few hours ago.

Target? Saudi Arabia’s Fahd Air Base, near Mecca. See map below “Mecca” then see “King Fahad Air Base”. The scuds missed Mecca by a hair.

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Here watch the launch from Yemen:

The two cries where: “Death to America. Death to Israel. Cursed be the Jews. Victory to Islam. Allah hit the target.”

As it happens, Allah missed the target, he did not hit America, he missed the Jews by a long shot, and he landed it, not that far from Mecca, Allah’s House (Bait Allah).

His favorite vacation home, the Kaaba, after Karbala, was missed by a few miles.

Today they even released the photos of these two giant suppositories.

Scuds are not that accurate. However, the Houthis are perfecting the rocket, succeeding in gaining the range to hit the heart of Saudi Arabia. The Shiite Yemenis are not threatening to use these scuds; THEY ARE LAUNCHING THEM as you witnessed from the video. The problem is that a scud does not have a smart eye. When this is ironed out, which they will do, one could guess where these suppositories will end up. Iran says that Karbala is Allah’s favorite vacation house, not Mecca, which Allah will penetrate with a scud, someday soon, as a last one night-stand with the veiled Burqa dressed Kaaba.

But the developments of scuds by Yemeni Shiites is not that simple to ignore by Saudi Arabia, which plays a game of cat and mouse with these rebels playing with some serious fire. Four days ago on August 28th, Saudi Arabia had to send a jet just before this other scud was about to take off destroying it on the ground and at times have the patriots intercept.

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The two scuds hit an area near Taif, nearby Mecca, missing the target at King Fahad’s Air Base.

So the strategists tell us that an all-out war between Iran and Saudi Arabia, including the Gulf nations, is extremely unlikely, considering the geo-strategic, economic, and global political aspects. They say its very unlikely because the occurrence of such a war will lead to a breakdown in the infrastructure and sources of oil and gas, as it will destroy the global economy, especially the economy of those countries that rely on oil and gas. Therefore strategists and researchers exclude an all-out war.

It’s like saying that Japan attacking the U.S. was unlikely, until one day Pearl Harbor was the headlines.

Do these experts ever look at the maps above and see just how a close call can ignite not just a regional war, between Persia and Babylon, but the whole of the Muslim world?

Or perhaps they can counter, that a Babylonian versus Persian wars is all ancient history. If so, why does it still continue, even today between Arabia and Iran? If the skeptic who says that God does not exist, all they need to do is to disprove Him by stoping the repetition of this history that is well etched in scripture.

According to Josephus, John the Baptist was not beheaded in Jordan but in Arabia. This is significant. Eventually Arabia will pay the price for the Baptist and it will not be pretty.

Daughter Babylon, doomed to destruction,

happy is the one who repays you

according to what you have done to us.

Happy is the one who seizes your infants

and dashes them against the rocks. (Psalms 137-8-9)

God’s vendettas are a lot longer term that the Arab or the Persian. God will have both Shiites and Sufis turn on the Wahhabists. From an Islamic perspective Jalal al-Din Rumi, by far the most prestigious sufi scholar in Islam’s entire history, explained how Mecca (the Kiblah in Islam) will be no more the direction of prayers to Muslims:

the Light of Allah to face the wall of the prayer niche (direction of prayer) has assuredly turned his back on Mecca, since God’s Light is the soul of the Kiblah[the Ka’bah] (Rumi, Service done for God is proof of divine favor, in The Complete Discourses of Jalal al-Din Rumi, discourse 3, p. 17, ed. Louis Rogers)

This is quite telling; what its saying is that the Muslim leader becomes the Kiblah, or the person to whom Muslims would pray towards him. Therefore, a Muslim leader, a Caliph can declare that he is the light of God, and Muslims from all over the world will pray towards him; he will become the new Kiblah, with the multitudes of Muslims praying to his direction.

If the anti-Trinity Muslim skeptic insists that Allah is the true God, why has he failed to protect his own house, the Kaaba, which was hit twice in history with catapult and bombs, and soon it will be thrice.

We, the Christians, are unlike the Muslim. We have the ability to speak in tongues; Greek, Arabic … we sing “Al-Maseeh Qam min baynil-amwat” (Christ risen from the dead).

You see Mr. Muslim, He defeated death by death “Wati-a Al-Mawta bit-Mawt”, and gave life for those in the grave “Wa-Wahaba Al-Hayata lilatheena fil-Qubur”.

How can one defeat death with death? These are the mysteries of God which Allah can never do since Allah is the causer of death. Try to figure that one out.

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  • Wow… Better get prayed up…

    • The reason why allah didn’t protect his house was because he was too busy playing golf.

      • Tom_mcewen

        Wow, Obama is Allah who would have thought it.

        • 😉

        • Grandmere

          He thinks he is sometimes.

          • susan

            Now that’s a scary thought. I wonder what erdogan and obama will discuss at the G20…in arabic..two peas in a pod. Do you think they’re sharing the same dream?

  • Ozibarb

    A warning shot across the bow. . .

  • Ceirwyn

    Good riddance

  • ezekiel22

    How stupid can so called smart people be to think that because they do not want a war that it will not happen??? They are literally their own worst enemy and even worse is that they will take many innocent lives with their self delusions.
    From what I have learned is that Iran does not mind a disastrous loss of life even their own. It seems that they have this end times scenario they want to ignite. With Valerie Jarret pulling strings in the White House and obama’s obescience to islam I see a shortening of their timetable because of the upcoming election.
    Turkey gaining in stature is a problem. Iran is seemingly taking a backseat for now but that is just to let the world take eyes off of their nuclear program which I think is accelerating. They as a nation want to be the big man on the block and letting Turkey take the lead has to hurt. My question is when will they fire on one of our ships in the Streaights?

  • filomena seiffert

    Too bad the missiles missed Mecca. I hope they will succeed next try. I think Israel should implode the dome of the rock. In order to destroy the nation of Israel the Romans leveled down the temple. Why not learn with ancients.

    • 1Bobby8

      I’ll be applauding when Mecca gets whacked. It was just reported that 27 people were arrested in Saudi Arabia for praying the rosary inside their home…I think Saudi Arabia made a big mistake.

      • LINK?!

      • filomena seiffert

        I will be given thanks and praising God. If the center of perdition of perdition, the throne of the lawless one, dome of rock be imploded or exploded I will be smiling and singing all day., but a think the men of perdition will be sitting there before the day, Erdodevil . Maybe Jesus explode him swiftly.

  • Kamau41

    Amazing times indeed. We are getting closer.

  • Saudi Arabia. It was incoming

  • Julie LaBrecque

    No globes in Yemen? Did these fools truly think they would hit the US?

  • Taurnil Oronar

    It’s like saying that Japan attacking the U.S. was unlikely, until one day Pearl Harbor was the headlines.

    So true, so true.

  • Doc

    Tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock….Are you ready to meet your Maker?

  • AnthonyM

    Amazing events!

  • Kevin Nicholson

    “And the ten horns and the beast that you saw will hate the prostitute.
    They will leave her desolate and naked, and will eat her flesh and burn
    her with fire…And the woman you saw is the great city that rules over
    the kings of the earth.”
    Revelation 17:16,18

    “Woe, woe to the great city, the mighty city of Babylon! For in a single hour your judgment has come.”…”And there was found in her the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who had been slain on the earth. ”
    Revelation 18:10b,24

    Walid, please explain who is Babylon?
    Thank-You for guiding us in His truth.

    Peace brother.

    • Paul

      Dear brother; I will tell you (1.) something you like to hear and (2.) something(s) you might not !
      (1.) In the vision of “Woman in the Basket” in Zechariah 5 the woman in the basket called “wickedness” will be set up in “Shinar” (which is clearly not in Turkey) by the two women carrying the “basket” which quite possibly was an allegoric representation of the two major branches of Islam.
      (2.) Mr. Walid Shoebat & Mr. Chuck Missler holds several conflicting views. Walid Shoebat says Noah’s ark is on the mountains of Ararat. Chuck Missler says it is in Iran because Iran lies in the east of “Shinar”. Dr. Missler fans have to suspect if Mr. Walid Shoebat is saying this to leverage his eschatological position by in some sense figuratively trying to equate Turkey and Shinar as Ararat lies in the east of Turkey.

      “And it came to pass they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar (lit. "between the two rivers i.e. Tigris & Euphrates"); and they dwelt there.”
                                                      — Genesis 11:2 (KJV)

      However; as earth was not divided at this point in time due to “plate-tectonics” (Gen 10:25) as it is divided today; (and back then they would have also had a 360-day year); “Shinar” mentioned in Genesis 11:2 points to northern-Iraq under ISIS control now; not southern-Iraq.

      “Two sons were born to Heber: One was named Peleg (which means "division"), for during his lifetime the earth was divided;…”
                                                  &#160   — Genesis 10:25

      (3.) It is possible that Walid Shoebat has some reluctance to go further than what his son Theodore Shoebat can also agree on !
      (4.) On the one had Theodore Shoebat want to be Roman Catholic but he obviously has problems (like some evangelicals) with the content of the type training Roman Catholic priests receive which wich goes in to great depth (ie; comparatively speaking) in philosophy, psychology, parapsychology etc ! I am of the persuasion that study of psychology forces one to do meta-thinking (ie; thinking about thinking) which eventually makes them iconoclasts (in its non-literal generic sense) which frees them from cult like thinking prevalent among modern evangelicals due to the millions of false / non biblical doctrines they subscribe to from their favorite “cult” leaders !

      • “Walid Shoebat says Noah’s ark is on the mountains of Ararat.”

        God says it landed on Ararat. Never been an Ark hunter, do not know where Noah’s ark is, never had an interest to find it and all who did failed miserably. I’d rather be searching for spiritual arks. Never had a reason to “leverage” eschatological positions … my approach has always been simple Forrest Gump style (just started running) and nothing special..

        • Paul

          Dear Sir:
          You once remarked regarding the timing of when babylon(s) is/are to be destroyed that “little sequence is given” about it !
          Easy…
          We know from Rev 17:16 that it is the 10-horns that will hate the Harlot / Arabia (distinct from the Beast) and will destroy / burn her. Implying that when this event takes place the “three kings” are not put down. We know form Dan 7:20 & 7:24 that the “little horn” in Dan 7:8 has to put down 3 of these 10 horns in his rise to power.
          Thus it follows that it is sequentially impossible for the “little horn” to be recognized by the entire Muslim world as the legitimate caliphate as long as Arabia is not destroyed.

          • Please address what I discussed Paul. Lets not get into eschatology here. I wasn’t horn hunting in my comment.

          • susan

            Yikes! Why do these “Paul” types always horn in on your views? And why do you allow it? Time for them to get their own following on their own website!

        • Kevin Nicholson

          Godspeed Walid, Ted, and Andrew.

          Let His church say:
          ” I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. From now on the crown of righteousness is laid up for me, which the Lord, the righteous judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but to all who crave His appearing.…”
          2 Timothy 4:7-8

      • Kevin Nicholson

        Paul thank-you for your discussion.
        “Iron sharpens iron, So one man sharpens another”
        Proverbs 27:17

    • I’ll take a stab at answering your question.

      The controversy surrounding the interpretation of Babylon the Great of Revelation have much to do with prejudices against the Roman Catholic Church. It’s true that Rome is called the city of seven hills, however, the Vatican itself is situated on a different hill, not the original seven hills. Further, there are quite several different cities in the Middle East that also have seven hills – Istanbul, Jerusalem, and Mecca. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_claimed_to_be_built_on_seven_hills#Asia

      The reason I focus on the Middle East is because the Lord directed John to pen seven letters to the seven churches of Asia, and that alone should refute centuries of idiotic arguments presented by the anti-Catholic brigade. Alas, prejudice dies the hardest.

      Let’s examine the details of Istanbul, Jerusalem, and Mecca.

      Istanbul was once the city called Constantinople, and it was also the eastern seat of the Roman Empire when Constantine divided his empire in order to effectively fight the barbarians in the north. Incidentally, it was at this time that the capital of the western seat of Rome was moved to Milan, a key point that also refutes worthless anti-Catholic brigades. Constantinople was long considered by the Eastern Orthodox to be the second Rome before its conquest by Islam, and when Islam conquered Constantinople, it effectively ended the longest reign of an empire, Rome’s. Today, Istanbul overlooks the Mediterranean sea, having seven hills with each hills having mosques built on top. Another point to consider, Istanbul is also home to the infamous Hagia Sophia, which was recently reopened this past summer and once again conquered by Muslims to become a mosque again. It was converted to a museum. The Hagia Sophia was the temple dedicated to Jesus Christ, the Wisdom of God, and it is still a very sore spot for the Eastern Orthodox. Number of Orthodox prophecy have Russia finally conquering Turkey and returning the Hagia Sophia back to the Orthodox. Only time will tell if this will come true.

      Jerusalem is another candidate, and I think presents a stronger argument to be Babylon the Great. In the Gospels, Jesus wept over Jerusalem, lamenting how the city have seen prophets sent there and killed to warn of impending disaster sent by God to correct the wayward Israelites. It is also where Jesus was crucified. It is also where John called the city “spiritually Sodom and Egypt,” and looking at headlines from Israeli’s media would confirm it, what with numerous of so-called pride rally being held. Second, Israel’s government is strictly westernized-style democracy that is deeply secular with minor religious party holding minor seats in the government, mainly from Orthodox Jews branches. Jerusalem is also the site of number of wars and it is also where God told David that He has chosen to place His name there.

      Finally, Mecca is the strongest candidate to be Babylon the Great. All we have to do is take a look at what is housed there. It has the Kabba, a stone that Muslims claimed to have fallen from heaven (red flag #1), and it was the stone that St. John of Damascus identified to be the star of Aphrodite (red flag #2), and finally, Muhammad himself ordered Muslims to circle the stone seven times and touch it, saying that the stone would absorb their sins (red flag #3). Frankly, if one take a look at how the black stone is housed in a silver housing, it looks a lot like a vagina. The men there kiss it and rubs on it…come on, dude…if that is not a prostitute religion, then I have a swamp land in Georgia to sell you.

      Furthermore, John explicitly states the city is situated in a desert and using Google Earth, Microsoft’s Map, or even NASA’s satellite view all will prove that Mecca perfectly fulfills all the criteria John penned in Revelation as it is located in the desert. Mecca is also where it is believed that Muhammad’s grave is located.

      Mecca rides on the back of Islam and right now, Mecca is increasingly coming under fire because the Saudi royal family continues to expand its hotels (it has seven towers, by the way, overlooking the Kabba, a clear throwback to the Tower of Babel). Another point to keep in mind is that the Saudi royal family made themselves the sole custodians of Mecca, angering many Muslims worldwide. To them, nobody have ownership of Mecca. This is a point that anti-Catholic brigade refuses to consider because they all flunk in history.

      The kingdom of Saudi Arabia is shrouded in controversy. It was the House of Saud that allied with the House of Wahab, a religious house, and they hatched a plan back in the 18th century to overthrow the Ottoman’s control of Mecca. When the Ottoman caught wind of it, they responded in fury by shelling Mecca, severely damaging the black stone, and murdered many family members of both house. However, some survivors escaped and waited for their time to come. It would come during WWI, and again, both Houses entered in a conspiracy with the British to overthrow the Ottoman’s control of Mecca. When oil was discovered later, the British immediately moved to protect their investment in oil.

      When the Ottoman was finally overthrown, the House of Saud and Wahab had many, many Turks murdered in cold blood, which is why in the future, Turkey will abandon Saudi Arabia to her fate at the hands of Iran. In order to maintain the grip on the tribes of Saudi Arabia, the king from the House of Saud married every women of each tribes, a clear violation of Islam (each man was to have no more than 4 wives, but allowed to have as many concubines he desired, provided he can afford to).

      In order for the House of Saud to justify its Islamic obligation to become sole custodian of Mecca, this is where the House of Wahab comes in. The House Wahab would provide the Islamic jurisprudence, and in return, the House of Saud would protect them, provide them with funds for the Wahabbism to spread through mosques around the world. That’s why I often refer the Wahabbists as Puritans. They are extremely intolerant of other Muslims sect, just as the Puritans were of Catholics.

      While it is true that Turkey are majority Sunni, they also practices Sufism, a mystical form of Islam that is rapidly gaining widespread acceptance as an alternative to Wahabbism, thus it is why Iran, majority Shia, will be willing to ally with Turkey because, as Walid has written so many times, of Sufism adoration of Shia’s icons.

      Turkey has never forgotten the treachery of Saudi Arabia, the massacres of many Turks at the hands of the royal family, the spread of Wahabbism, which has fueled so many sectarian wars in the Middle East, and finally, Iran is itching to pay back Saudi Arabia for the many lives lost at Mecca.

      Finally, Islam came from Mecca. The entire religion of Islam, its core tenet, completely reject Jesus Christ as the Son of God, fulfilling the requirement of 1 John 2’s golden litmus test of antichrist, Islam also denies Jesus’ resurrection. They also deny the Trinity. Islam is strictly Unitarian. I will make no apology of this – I truly despise what Islam stands for, and those who wave the Jerusalem Declaration can shove that paper up where the sun don’t shine.

      Islam has murdered many Christians – priests, saints, and prophets – since it’s inception. I would go on and on all day about how Saudi Arabia has controlled many of America’s foreign policy adventurism, but suffice to say that when America replaced the British as world power in the 1930s, Saudi Arabia promised unlimited oil supply to America in exchange for military protection and for America to look the other way whenever Saudi Arabia commits many human rights violation. Saudi Arabia leads the world in human traffickers, consistently ranks on the top of human right violation.

      I hope this helped some. Also, take some time to read through Shoebat’s articles on Mecca.

      • Kevin Nicholson

        Awesome response. Thank-You Trevor (a chip off the ‘ole Shoebat).

      • racarrera

        Well done, good sir. The anti-Catholicism here is childish. I can hold a nice dialog with my Catholic friends and agree to disagree on the 3-5% of things which make us different. I won’t abide jackasses who bring their illiterate trash to slander a brother.

        • I am with you 100%, sir. The deeper one goes into history, especially the Ante-Nicene Fathers, the more one realize that, while Baptist brings a strong emphasis on fundamental Biblical teaching, they woefully fall short of history and tradition, I can no longer deny what I have learned.

          Personally, I look forward to the day when Rome and Constantinople put aside the doctrinal difference and unite. We cannot stay divided any longer, not with the strength of our enemy gaining rapidly…

          • susan

            Painful losses will force it.

          • I’m afraid you may be right.

          • susan

            Purification.

          • Wise words.

          • Juan

            Exactly

          • Kamau41

            Very well said. The time is coming when divisions will finally cease.

          • racarrera

            I do, too. When it’s done honestly and with full understanding of the issues. And we’re getting there quickly.

      • Lay_monk

        Brother Trevor,

        Wow! That’s a HOME RUN! 😉

        I have a natural habit of simplifying things, sometimes at the risk of oversimplifying them. Ask me to write a thesis on a subject, and I wouldn’t know where to begin! Ask me to extract a simple truth from a thesis, and you might have better luck at getting an adequate answer! hahaha

        The simple truths I’ve personally extracted from Walid’s fine work and research is this:

        – Islam was founded in Babylon and it’s the continuation of Babylon’s errors. Islam’s primary mission since her rise has been to conquer Christians first and foremost, (and Israel), and to rule the world as Antichrist.

        – There are two world religions: Christianity and Luciferianism (of which Islam is the head). They both have a spiritual empire and a physical land mass. The lands of Arabia where Babylon once ruled is Satan’s home base. The lands of Rome, which as you stated above, included both the Catholic and Orthodox Church at its peak, is Christ’s home base.

        (Obviously God is omnipotent, omnipresent; and omniscient. I’m attempting to explain this perspective within the limitations of human language).

        – God has providence. Man has freewill. Therefore even Islam itself i.e. the evils of men, is used by God to ultimately serve a higher good. There are Catholic’s who see Islam as the “sword of God.” Its purpose being to correct Christian peoples and nations when they lapse from the faith and into sin.

        – Armageddon will be the “completion of the crusades” i.e. the last crusade. It’ll be the final war between Christians and Muslims, Babylon and Rome; Christ and Satan.

        Based on the above observations (faulty as they might be), I’m going to take a shot at arguably the most “controversial” paragraph in our Catholic Catechism:

        841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”330

        What a shocking paragraph on its surface for those of us who are aware of the evils of Islam!

        The plan of salvation also includes those who profess the Creator (outside of Christianity), first among them is Muslims and “together” with us they worship Him?

        Muslims albeit ignorantly do “profess” to believe in the God of Abraham as we do. Most of them aren’t aware that they are serving Satan’s agenda (while actually believing in God the Creator), and a minority of them, like Walid, do convert to the Christian faith upon this realisation.

        This “belief” that they purely worship the God of Abraham does however put them first among the other religions outside of the Jews (who are addressed before this paragraph). As Islam is a counterfeit of Christianity they do hold certain Christian truths (at least on the surface). Truths they that have been perverted by Satan because he doesn’t have the power to create, only to pervert.

        CC 841 is positively stating these “truths”. If negatively stated, we could say that Muslims are the first among other religions as our archenemy, and this would also be “true.”

        That’s why the Catechism shortly thereafter goes onto state (in the same section):

        843 The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as “a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life.”332

        844 In their religious behavior, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them:

        Very often, deceived by the Evil One, men have become vain in their reasonings, and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and served the creature rather than the Creator. Or else, living and dying in this world without God, they are exposed to ultimate despair.333

        845 To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son’s Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is “the world reconciled.” She is that bark which “in the full sail of the Lord’s cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world.” According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah’s ark, which alone saves from the flood.334

        All the major world religions at their root exist because of our innate God given instinct to worship God, and our Catechism positively affirms this truth “without denying” the need for Christ and the role of Catholic faith.

        It’s my personal belief that the Church has shifted its focus to the “positives” because we are so late in the game. The people of Christendom have turned from God as a whole for the moment, and the enemies of Christ are marching in. “We’ve given ourselves over” so to speak to the “last days” of Bible prophesy, which seems to be on the horizon. To state the truth negatively this late in the game would be futile. Not enough of God’s people are listening to Him anymore, so Islam’s sword of correction is coming for us. And it’s through this sword we’ll rediscover the purity, necessity and transcendence of our faith (Christ Jesus).

        What percentage of Muslims or New Ager’s etc, are aware that they are deceived by the Evil One in matters of faith and morals? My guess is it’s minuscule.

        Walid himself has stated that every survivor after the war of Armageddon will convert to Christianity. If true, won’t this prove that Muslims are included in God’s plan for salvation “in the end”?

        The former lands and peoples of Christendom are suffering because we have lost our faith and values. In the end, Christ finally will claim the remaining remnant of Muslims as His own proving our Catechism to be correct. Andrew B has stated Muslims, because they live by the sword, see mercy as a weakness. When Christ returns as a lion rather than a lamb and finally crushes Islam, the Muslim survivors will be humbled into “submission” and penitence once and for all. The war will be over. Judgement day will commence…

        (It’s my personal believe that the 1000 year millennial rule of Christ has already been and gone.)

        Disclaimer: This is my own personal take, and it’s in no way authoritative! hahaha

        God Bless

        • Kevin Nicholson

          Lay_monk: back to back! as the sports announcers say.

          “Do not reprove a scoffer, or he will hate you, Reprove a wise man and he will love you. Give instruction to a wise man and he will be still wiser, Teach a righteous man and he will increase his learning. The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.…”
          Proverbs 9:8-10

          Peace and Victory in Christ brother.

          • Lay_monk

            Thank you brother. I was so pleased to read your testimony!

            Peace and Victory in Christ indeed!

            God’s best to you.

      • Lay_monk

        Good Trevor, inspired by the Jesus “question style” approach adopted by Walid, you, and some of our other brethren here, I’ve prepared the following little quiz for you based on the Churches current “pastoral position” on Islam:

        841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”330

        You know the rules of the game. Yes or no answers only please,
        should you accept this quiz. You don’t need to answer them in writing. I’m
        offering this quiz solely for you to meditate upon in the hopes that it may
        edify you and give you a richer appreciation (without protest) to all our
        Catechism has to offer even this pastoral section on “other religions”:

        Question 1:

        “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims

        1A) does the Holy Bible state that it is God’s “will” that “all men” be saved, full stop (no exclusions)?

        1B) is Islam the largest religion in the world outside of Christianity? Doesn’t this make them “first” among the people outside of Christianity?

        1C) was Walid a Muslim? Is He now a Catholic? Doesn’t Walid’s conversion prove that God’s plan does indeed include the salvation of Muslims?

        1D) Walid has stated numerous times that in “the end” the remaining survivors of Armageddon will convert to Christianity, including Muslims. Do you agree with Walid’s conclusion? If so, doesn’t this also affirm that God’s “plan of salvation” includes the conversion of Muslims (as it does the Jews and Israel)?

        “these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”330”

        2A) Do Christians believe they worship the God of Abraham?

        2B) Do Muslims believe they worship the God of Abraham?

        2C) Is God “one” (though Triune)?

        2D) is the God of Abraham the one true God, making this a “truth”
        that Muslims believe (despite the errors of their belief) in the one true God, Creator of the universe?

        2E) Don’t we then both profess the same God in “belief” (despite the erroneous understanding Muslims have of our God)?

        3A) is the primary mission of the Church the “conversion” of sinners and the “salvation” of souls i.e. evangelism and formation? Or is to militarily vanquish all evil first and then to ask questions later?

        3B) If it’s the conversion of sinners and salvation of souls, does this include the Muslim? By that I mean is the primary purpose of the Church to vanquish Islam or convert Muslims to the faith?

        3C) Every time a Catholic “witnesses” to a Muslim, is he or she participating in an “inter-faith” dialogue?

        3D) According to our Just War Doctrine would it be prudent for us to simply declare war on Islam at this time (when our own hearts as peoples and nations aren’t even converted to the faith)? Have we really reached the end of the road, our last resort yet? All out war:

        2309 The strict conditions for legitimate defense by military force require rigorous consideration. The gravity of such a decision makes it subject to rigorous conditions of moral legitimacy. At one and the same time:

        – the damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave, and certain;

        – all other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective;

        – there must be serious prospects of success;

        – the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated. The power of modem means of destruction weighs very heavily in evaluating this condition.

        These are the traditional elements enumerated in what is called the “just war” doctrine.

        The only truth that I’m trying to establish here is that our universal Catechism is without error when understand in context.

        3E) Outside of Vatican City, are there are any truly Catholic nations left on this earth for the Pope to declare it’s time for a crusade too?

        The section quotes above on “other religions” concludes with the following:

        845 To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son’s Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is “the world reconciled.” She is that bark which “in the full sail of the Lord’s cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world.” According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah’s ark, which alone saves from the flood.334

        3F) does this not affirm that there is “No salvation outside of the Church” (which is expounded upon in the following section)?

        Bonus (in context of your answers above whatever they are):

        4A) Are Muslims to blame for filling the vacuum formerly Christian nations have created because we apostatised from the faith and embraced fornication, contraceptives, deism, atheism, secularism, etc?

        4B) Now that the divorce of the universal Church and sovereign State has been thoroughly accomplished and implemented, isn’t it the duty of the Church to focus on converting both individual AND nation again rather than defending Catholic nations from false religions (now that we have reverted back to the days of pagan Rome and no longer have any Catholic nations left outside of Vatican City)?

        4C) Will we inspire others to the faith by “living worldly lives” (as most Christians do today) and demonising other people as a collective for their beliefs? Or is Catholicism about sharing the “Good News” to sinners?

        Note: I support Walid’s work here. It’s up to us to take from it what we will. I’ve learned much. But I still don’t demonise all Muslims, in the same way as I don’t demonise all Jews. That’s not Christ’s calling for us. I come here for educational purposes, and to be “wise as a serpent” without losing my simpleness as a dove. And I repeat, I’m not a pacifist! I’ve been in physical confrontations in my life. I would go to war if the Pope or my government called me to war.

        Remember, Walid is an independent Catholic working independently. It would be imprudent for the Church in this era to demonise Islam and Muslims for all the reasons implied above. The Church’s primary mission is the conversion and formation of souls and nations, not the military obliteration of them. War is our last resort. And right now, the number of faithful practicing Catholics in the West is so minuscule, I doubt we’d even have an army to call to war if the Pope declared it. (No Christian outside of the Catholic Church cares what the Pope has to say, many of them see him as the Antichrist himself!)

        We aren’t Catholic nations anymore. The vast majority of those who identify with the faith are either fallen away or lukewarm. We live in multi-cultural multi-faith society now. It’s no longer “Catholic” or “Catholic versus Protestant.” This is pagan Rome with its orgies and all.

        The Catholic Church continues to doctrinally affirm all the truths of the faith in its fullness. We’ve just had to revert back to evangalising our nations once more. We’re almost back at square one basically!

        I am hopeful nations like France and the rest of the West will come around. I really do love Walid’s work on Bible prophesy! In the meantime we must live in the present reality of our times and work with what we have, trusting in, and depending on, Christ in all things, in the fullness of our Catholic Church and the Catholic faith,

        (I mean no offense to Christians outside of the Catholic Church who read this. I’m one Catholic writing to another Catholic. Our Church desires the reunification of Christendom, and I share our Churches desire for unity. I love all Christians of goodwill everywhere and accept them as brothers without compromising the fullness of the Catholic faith.)

        God’s best to you my good friend.

        • 1A) does the Holy Bible state that it is God’s “will” that “all men” be saved, full stop (no exclusions)? Yes.

          1B) is Islam the largest religion in the world outside of Christianity?
          Doesn’t this make them “first” among the people outside of Christianity? Y.

          1C) was Walid a Muslim? Is He now a Catholic? Doesn’t Walid’s conversion prove that God’s plan does indeed include the salvation of Muslims Y

          1D) Walid has stated numerous times that in “the end” the remaining survivors of Armageddon will convert to Christianity, including Muslims. Do you agree with Walid’s conclusion? If so, doesn’t this also affirm that God’s “plan of salvation” includes the conversion of Muslims (as itdoes the Jews and Israel)? Don’t know. I’m not God.

          2A) Do Christians believe they worship the God of Abraham? Y

          2B) Do Muslims believe they worship the God of Abraham? Y (They profess to).

          2C) Is God “one” (though Triune)? Y

          2D) is the God of Abraham the one true God, making this a “truth” that Muslims believe (despite the errors of their belief) in the one true God, Creator of the universe? Y

          2E) Don’t we then both profess the same God in “belief” (despite the erroneous understanding Muslims have of our God)? NO. They are strictly Unitarian whilst we are Trinitarian. Huge difference.

          3A) is the primary mission of the Church the “conversion” of sinners and the “salvation” of souls i.e. evangelism and formation? Or is to militarily vanquish all evil first and then to ask questions later? Two separate question. Yes to the first and Yes to the second.

          3C) Every time a Catholic “witnesses” to a Muslim, is he or she participating in an “inter-faith” dialogue? Vaguely asked.

          3D) According to our Just War Doctrine would it be prudent for us to simply declare war on Islam at this time (when our own hearts as peoples and nations aren’t even converted to the faith)? Have we really reached the end of the road, our last resort yet? Why bring this up again? Pass on this question.

          The rest of your question I am not going to answer.

          Now let me ask you this one simple question: does every Muslim deny that Jesus is the Son of God? Yes or No.

          • Lay_monk

            Yes, and so do (Talmudic) Jews (in the Talmud)…

            “2E) Don’t we then both profess the same God in “belief (despite the erroneous understanding Muslims have of our God)? NO. They are strictly Unitarian whilst we are Trinitarian. Huge difference.”

            That is correct, but it’s also correct to state that we “both” profess to believe in the God of Abraham, that was the point. The God of Abraham can only be one God. Abraham didn’t have two God’s. Islam believes in the God of Abraham, but they have a false understanding of Him. Walid truly believed he worshiped the God of Abraham “prior” to his Christian conversion, as fate would have it, and in his heart and mind he did worship the God of Abraham (incorrectly).

            Thanks for participating in the exercise. I understand that this is a highly emotional and sensitive topic for Christians in particular because of the brutal persecutions our people are suffering from around the world, none of which I take lightly.

            Not to mention the long and documented history of “war” we share.

            The point is that the Church as a public body is in “evangelism mode” at this time, and rightly so. We are in no position to declare war against a religion that is 1.3 billion strong let alone win one. Our governments are anti-christian and our people as a whole have lapsed from the faith. Would American have accepted the legalisation of gay marriage 60 years ago?

            American’s 60 years ago refused to put up with Elvis swinging his hips on stage!

            That’s how far we’ve fallen as a people and a society. (I’m not finger pointing. My nation is no different. In fact, the percentage of Catholics who attend mass regularly is lower in my nation that yours).

            The Just War Doctrine can only be sanctioned if it meets the full criteria stated therein. In the meantime, the “threat” of Islam is in the hands of our governments to deal with, which they are not given that they are antichrist at present (in the same way as Islam is antichrist for different reasons). The Church must work within the laws of the land without compromising the eternal truths of our own faith.

            The Churches first mission with outsiders is evangelism. We all have a past. Our people weren’t always Christian. We were once Barbarians, Vikings, Druid Witches, etc. As long as we don’t have the power or justification to declare a world wide war on Islam, it’s our duty as a Church to continue working toward converting Muslims.

            I’m not naive. I’m not saying war isn’t coming. I’m sure it is. My point is we aren’t there yet. I have no definitive views on Bible prophesy to be honest. I love Walid’s research, and I’m convinced that a Muslim Caliphate is coming. I just have no idea exactly how things will unfold or whether this coming Muslim Caliphate will actually be ‘the’ Antichrist of Bible prophesy.

            I don’t like to think about Bible prophesy too much because it’s speculative in nation! I’d rather focus on the truths I can stand on, and they are the defined doctrines of our faith! 🙂

            God’s best to you as always my friend. I do appreciate the friendly exchange.

          • Lay_monk

            Yes

            2E) Don’t we then both profess the same God in “belief” (despite the erroneous understanding Muslims have of our God)? NO. They are strictly Unitarian whilst we are Trinitarian. Huge difference.

            The God of Abraham is only one God, meaning they do by default, despite our difference in understanding of Who this God is i.e. Triune or Monotheistic.

            I did write a longer response, but it’s pending because I elaborated on some of the larger points! 🙂

            I’m giving up Disqus after today to focus more on personal study, so I just wanted to make sure I got this in beforehand, in case you have any further questions or remarks.

            Thanks for taking up the challenge!

            God’s best to you as always…

          • So, because Muslims deny that Jesus is the Son of God, 1 John 2:18-24 stands as a witness against them and against the Church as well. It is a plain truth that when one denies Jesus, one denies the Father as well. They can profess until they are blue in the face that we worship the God of Abraham (It should also be the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, which also stands as witness against them as well) along with them.

            I’m sorry, but the Scriptures is quite clear on this, and frankly, this type of dialogue is pointless exercise in futility.

          • Lay_monk

            Our Catechism nowhere states that Muslims are “saved.” The point of this exercise is simply to demonstrate that truth. The statement is pastoral and factual.

            You might not like the wording but that doesn’t make it an error.

            That’s the only point. Reject it, deny it, love it, hate it, it makes no difference 🙂

            God Bless

          • Trevor

            I wholeheartedly agree with Cardinal Burke which is what I have been trying to say.

            http://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/cdl.-burke-catholics-and-islam-do-not-worship-the-same-god

            And I actually agree with Burke’s call to return the Mass to its original form.

          • Trevor

            The Holy Spirit, foreknowing this, guarded against heresy that would creep into the Church. He took defensive measure against heresy by explicitly declaring God to be the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Jesus repeated this in the Gospel. Muslims claim it is the other way, that is, it is God of Abraham and Ishmael in their vain attempt to discredit the integrity of the Scriptures that were inspired by God.

            If you cannot see this, then there is a clear dissonance with me.

          • Lay_monk

            Please feel free to read this section of our Catechism from start to finish, that way you will be aware of the “context” each statement was written in:

            The Church is calling for the conversion of everyone, Muslims and other religions alike, into the One True Faith:

            http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a9p3.htm

            Quote: “845 To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son’s Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is “the world reconciled.” She is that bark which “in the full sail of the Lord’s cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world.” According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah’s ark, which alone saves from the flood.334″”

            Every time a Muslim or person from another faith answers this call and converts to the Catholic faith God is proving that His plan of salvation includes all people. That doesn’t mean Muslims who refuse His invitation in the faith will go to heaven. That’s why our Catechism must be read and understood in context, in the same way as the Bible needs to read and understand the Bible in context.

            How many heresies exist today because protestant have taken “one verse” completely out of context and made it Gospel in itself?

            God’s best to you my good friend.

  • Tom_mcewen

    The Sunni and the shia are big on killing each other, the problem is they are squeezing the apostolic Christians to death along with everyone who is not Muslim. If this is World War III as Einstein said, they are working their way down to world war IV fought with sticks and stones. Come on Orthodox move south.

  • Wilma Mills

    Yes, definitely, don’t mess with a Baptist.

  • Lidia

    Where was this video made? What is this song about, “Christ risen from the dead?”

    • racarrera

      This is probably the Paschal Troparion one hears in every Orthodox Church:

      Al-Masīḥu qāma min bayni ‘l-amwāt,
      Wa-waṭiˀa ‘l-mawta bi’l-mawt,
      Wa-wahaba ‘l-ḥayāta li’l-ladhīna fī ‘l-qubūr!

      المسيح قام من بين الأموات
      ووطئ الموت بالموت
      ووهب الحياة للذين في القبور

      Christ is risen from the dead,
      Trampling down death by death,
      And upon those in the tombs
      Bestowing life!

      • Ahhhh, now there is one smart cookie. And he writes in tongues too.

        • racarrera

          I’ve been learning from the best. No sense hanging out with dull blades when I have Damascus steel around here.

          • Vinny Zee

            Great comments brother. Always good to see you around. As a historian, any insight you can provide to my comment to Walid in this thread will be looked into as well. It is amazing what one can learn from the right people and at the same time be amazed at how we were so easily duped in the history books and grade school/high school teaching of my time.

          • racarrera

            I’ll go hunt the comment down now!

          • racarrera

            Vinny, brother, I couldn’t find the other comment, but I’d be happy as always to give the best answer possible to any question you might have.

        • Vinny Zee

          Walid,

          Correct me if I am wrong, but I want to make sure I understand it correctly. Mecca, as far as being in modern day Saudi Arabia, is coming to an end, without necessarily Islam’s attempt at world dominance will continue? Isn’t part of the reason why Mecca’s end is near is that it was Britain, who in WWI, and looking to divide up the Ottoman Empire, looked to Arabia for the Caliph? Isn’t it Britain (and the allies) that gave power to Saudi Arabia, which was not necessarily recognized by the Muslim world at large? I’m not trying to make a pronouncement, I am trying to understand it further.

          For the last few years now I have been trying to gain a further understanding of mid-East affairs, it’s current state, former state and (who knows) its future state. I’m currently reading about the break up of the Ottoman Empire after WWI. It seems the U.S. today and (western powers for that sake today), make the same mistakes Britain and the allies made back then. They did not only not understand Islam, they did not understand the real make up and politics of the middle east at large. Your insight, if you have time, is greatly appreciated. Even if you want to point me to further reading on this.

  • richinnameonly

    Very interesting. Just as it was when Jesus preached, the “experts” are clueless.

  • Smith

    A better question to ask is how did these houthis all of a sudden get the equipment and technical knowledge to aim and fire scuds?

    Answer: either we or the Iranians or some other third group sent them some specialists to do it.

  • susan

    “Therefore, a Muslim leader, a Caliph can declare that he is the light of God, and Muslims from all over the world will pray towards him; he will become the new Kiblah, with the multitudes of Muslims praying to his direction.”

  • susan

    All this makes me wonder…when this leader of the muslim world is revealed and if we were to have a muslim sympathizer as President…?

  • Pamela Sage

    Stick a nuclear warhead on a Scud and it doesn’t need to be very accurate. ..How is Saudi Arabia responding?

  • Saved_by_Jesus

    Love the last 2 paragraphs. Very Powerful!

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  • susan

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    • Grandmere

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