Obama wants to build Third Temple on Temple Mount (Caught on Video)

By Walid Shoebat and Ben Barrack
**SHOEBAT EXCLUSIVE**

See the AMAZING video in which President Obama’s brother (when we say ‘Obama’, we mean Malik) expresses solidarity with a man who wants to build the third Temple right next to the Dome of the Rock – Islam’s third holiest site – in Jerusalem. Making this situation worse for Malik, himself a professed Muslim, is that the man he’s partnering with in this pursuit, meets the standard of false prophet in Islam; this is an egregious blasphemy.

The man behind the effort to build the temple is Yisrayl Hawkins, a cult leader and self-proclaimed prophet who heads House of Yahweh in Abilene, Texas. To better understand the partnership between Malik and Hawkins, it was reported by Shoebat.com. Hawkins founded Peaceful Solution, an organization Malik lists as a ‘partner organization’ on his website.

According to the narrator in the video above, during a 2010 speech at the first annual Global Conference on Peace, Malik Obama can be heard saying the following about the third temple:

“It’s easy for me to get with the program because I’m a Muslim, a practicing Muslim, and all of the principles that are within the program are not in conflict with my beliefs. So, it’s easy for me to step right in and be part of the program.”

Proposed Third Temple next to Dome of the Rock.

Proposed Third Temple next to Dome of the Rock.

Aside from such advocacy being blasphemous to his own religion, one month earlier, Malik was in Sanaa, Yemen at an Orphans Development Fund (ODF) Conference. While there, Malik was photographed wearing a Hamas scarf that said in part:

“Jerusalem is ours… Palestine: From the River to the Sea.”

This certainly doesn’t square with his desire for a peaceful solution that includes helping what Islam considers to be a false prophet construct Jerusalem’s third Temple just a few steps from Islam’s third holiest site.

That certainly doesn’t sound like a recipe for a peaceful solution; it sounds like a recipe for disaster.

Malik Obama supports elimination of Israel but also construction of Jerusalem's Third Temple.

Malik Obama supports elimination of Israel but also construction of Jerusalem’s Third Temple.

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  • Marcos Filipe Guerra

    Oh dear, and the point emerges. That explains why Barack and his brother are connected with Erdogan. Spooky stuff.

  • RU4IesousKristos

    A most intriguing act of taqqiya…”He will confirm a covenant with many for one seven….”?

  • Curtis Day

    Is there no shame to this mans game? He doesn’t stop does he? Talk of being possessed…

  • darkknight91

    When that temple does go up, you’re gonna have every Hebrew Roots nutjob trying to get in on the action. Should be entertaining to say the least.

  • Goten Loves Life and Apples

    Beware the people who constantly stick up for the RCC are unknowingly supporting the black awakening.

    Black Awakening – Vatican Crimes

    Take a hard look at history.

    What is the one organization in the world that lies at the center power for the past two thousand years?

    The Vatican.

    What is the one organization that has killed more people than any other organization in the history of mankind?

    The Vatican.

    What is the one organization that has
    killed more believers in Jesus Christ than any other organization in
    the history of the world?

    The Vatican.

    I’ve studied original documents and the reproductions of original
    documents. I’ve rifled through the history books, and there can be no
    question about the above. None. And, it gives me no pleasure to say any
    of that.

    So, when we take a look at Revelation 17 and see this verse:

    And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. – Revelation 17:6

    There really can be no doubt as to who she is. But, there are three
    other verses that precede this one that help us understand something
    else about her:

    • http://batman-news.com albeit

      I’ve been trying to figure out for eons who the Harlot is…while you may have a point I do not believe it is the Catholic Church all by itself but others as well…Yes the Catholic church has committed millions of murders throughout the middle ages but I’m not sure if it was all based on religious beliefs…Look the Muslims exceed the Catholics by a wide margin and still counting by the day and it will be them that will be beheading the saints in the last days and doubtful if the Catholic church will play a part…who is mystery babylon the bible mentions Rome once and only once as babylon however many areas in the middle east are mentioned as babylon too multiple times…

      • shoebat

        Wow Albeit. I never knew that the Catholic Church killed MILLIONS. Can you provide a reference by a single historian who can confirm this amazing finding?

        • shoebat

          By the way, don’t send links, I need the historian and the quote. Please do not fill up pages of stuff either. Just ONE reference.

          • Woody

            You won’t get one reference as there are none.

          • Goten Loves Life and Apples

            Oh i get it you wont read an article if its over a page long and your supposed to be a historian who knows all this unknown doctrine? I mean seriously for years people have been teaching that the mark of the beast is a mark in the right hand or forehead then you come along and all of a sudden its a shoulder patch or a head bandana? Not lo9ng after you introduce a strange doctrine i have never heard before John MacArthur said that people can be saved even if they take the mark of the beast? All i can say is this doctrine sounds very strange if you ask me when compared next to what it says in scripture.

        • Woody

          Thank you for your objective and fair articles; I hadn’t read your background either until the other day; quite impressive.

        • http://batman-news.com albeit

          They did not achieve all of this power by kissing the feet of their neighbor…Yes they killed millions of Sabbath keeping believers…I have watched videos and read documented accounts of this…Please its out there look it up yourself

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Wow, I never knew video cameras existed in the dark & middle ages! Who invented them, the patent office needs to know so he (the inventor) can get his royalties.

          • Woody

            Wonderful–youse gots such a sense of humor but he won’t even get the terms, this Catholic of 100 years (funny he knows nothing of Catholicism like the other SicRent)
            God Bless and Happy Holy Thursday (to Church tonight i ill gravitate)

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Yep! 7:00 for me, Mass of the Lord’s Supper. Bless you

        • http://batman-news.com albeit

          Mr. shoebat:
          One needs not to look to far back in history to know how Catholic anti-semitism has influenced leaders which have led to the death of Jews…Look at Hitler for starters…You can’t tell me that Catholic antisemitism did not play a role in the holocoust…

          • Woody

            Shoebat has already answered you, and so have the Jewish people including Rabbi’s and the many nuns that hid the Jewish people during the war.
            Even better though, Jesus has answered you:
            “You have eyes, yet you do not see; ears yet you do not hear.”
            My best friends are Jewish and I, like my Church teaches, “they are the chosen people.” (we came in through St. Paul, God Bless him) Note: St. Paul also killed many Christians thus what you are not allowing for is that the “Church is a hospital for sinners” all except you of course.
            “Let he (she) who is without sin, cast the first stone.”
            Thank You Jesus, once again for upholding your Church and “Know the Truth for the Truth shall set you free.”
            It should be obvious that the one place satan does not want you is IN Jesus Church, and he is doing a good job at this lie, for ‘unless you are calling Jesus a liar” you are saying He did not found His Church.

          • shoebat

            Albeit, don’t change the subject and answer the question, you said the Catholic Church killed “millions”. Can you provide a single quote by a formidable historian who can attest to this? Here is why I ask: I went on a journey for months trying to answer this very question and what I found was this: All the crap was written by theologians who misinterpreted Scripture to think that the Catholic Church was the harlot. They made up piles of conjecture that was refuted by real historians. No historian would agree with your statement. Go ahead, make my day and answer the question. The Bible said to always be ready to give an answer. Why are you not obeying the Scripture. Give an answer to the faith that you believe in. You believe they killed millions, yet you cannot prove it. Yet you insist on believing this lie. Why? The answer is simple: It is not about Scripture or Truth, it’s about following the TRADITIONAL interpretations. Its about following men instead of God.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            I think Catholic anti-Catholicism must be how history accounts for the Catholics that roasted in the Holocaust!

          • Woody

            Yes, and they are never mentioned; even our Jewish brethern gets upset when we mention them. And no one mentions the thousands of Martyrs who gave their lives during the 1st 4 Centuries of Christ’s Church, the Catholics who died for Christ Jesus, Our Lord God & Savior. As our Holy Father’s have always said, “…the Church was built on the Blood of the Martyrs.; hence the early Church.
            Todays, news from Russia “all of our Jewish people must “register”–does this not sound like Hitler?
            It’s like Obama’s drive for us to register our guns so he can send his Gestapo to our houses and confiscate our self-defense weapons (like he just did to that poor farmer in Utah??)

          • Julie LaBrecque

            that and more, and the poor ignorant bleeding heart liberals will be the ones that foist it on it us I’d tell you how many guns are in my house, but, big brother is probably spying. I wish the Church would ex-communicate a few of the Catholics-in-name only, Ms Pelosi and Sebelius and others. I had some time back that Pelosi was denied communion from a priest or bishop somewhere.

          • Woody

            Hey, Shoe; you are certainly a different type of person; I can sense – great sensitivity in your posts (unusual for a man and found in many women–this is a compliment since it is a trait I have always admired in women) I saw this when your view of the Holacoust you saw as a child…you also get upset when you see a lot of name calling on your site. So,some questions:
            — I’ve been on your site for about 120 days, yet it was only yesterday or the day before I saw your post–do you normally follow posts on your site
            –Is you site called a “blog?”
            — You were born in Bethlehem – how wonderful; what kind of city is it today’ is the stable still there; what kind of people inhabit it and how many in the population?
            — I met a Brother lately and asked him (he is a Missionary in Africa) is it really true that in the past 10 years or so, 8-9 million Muslims have been converted to Christianity? He said, “yes,” and he has been given (catch this) 18,000,000 Rosaries, and he has already handed them out. but he went on, “Muslims if they convert to Christianity, or any other religion are “ostracized” by their own families and sometimes killed; many are afraid to leave,but they “whisper” to him (this brother) “as soon as my family passes on, I will convert to Christ.” Does this jive with your Muslim background?
            Where did you get your education–you are so smart and I attribute that to keeping an “open mind.” Aye
            God Bless, I put you in our Holy Thursday Mass tonight also

      • DJ

        Its impossible to know how many people the Catholic church murdered. Was it thousands….sure. Hundreds of thousands….possible. Millions? Millions suffered under them, but its unlikely that millions were killed by the church.

        • Woody

          Why not go to zillions

          • Julie LaBrecque

            To infinity and beyond!

          • shoebat

            And no wonder why there is no life at other galaxies, it was the Catholics who eradicated all of life.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            But of course! I’m waiting to see who will be the first of my Catholic-basher friends to blame abortion on the Catholic Church. Who’s in the running? 1. albeit 2. Corinna Morris 3. foxxbey.
            I’ll call the bookies and get the odds for us.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Actually, I’m rather surprised they haven’t already, maybe they did and I missed it.

      • Woody

        I believe in what Scott Hahn, brilliant Theologian says, “Fifty years from now there will only be Jesus’ One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church left; the 40,000 or 50,000 other churches by then will be collapsed as people will be tired of such things as “you must believe Genesis literally vs “you must believe John VI as ‘not literally…” duh, women priests or okay—why you! I’ll go off and found my church so take that! Or gay marriage is okay; No gay marriage is not okay; probably why the 3 protestant congregations (all members moving at once) left the DC area a year and 1/2 ago to return home once again to Jesus’ Church and truth “Know the truth and the truth shall set you free,” – Thank you, my Lord and Master. God Bless in your daily struggles for truth.
        Shoebat is right once again–see his post below–this guy does know the truth.. God Bless, the Shoe AND he is smart enough to ask for references, unlike the “wailing and gnashing of teeth” of the others on this site…
        Next poster will say the pope’s have killed zillions of innocent people and even babies of nursing mothers;, and why–they even worship statues…you would think they would get brighter but they never do–been believing this crap since the middle ages…gee, I wonder why no one has ever looked for or found Jesus’ Body OR this will get them sickened, why the early Christians or anyone I have ever heard of “looking for my Mom’s Body, Our Lady–Thank you for her, Jesus,and Thank you for the Gospel for each bead of her Rosary depicts just one incident in Your Life, Jesus and we love to meditate on that – Thank you Holy Spirit for writing this for me…
        God Bless

        • http://batman-news.com albeit

          1 Timothy 4:1-3
          Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
          Sounds like the Catholic Church to me

          • AnthonyM

            albiet, you are the one who is deceived. You are a non-Catholic who puts himself (herself?) forward as an expert on Catholic and history. You saw something on the Internet and that is your proof?? Anyway, the article is another good, informative article, with references, and it was not an opening for bashing believers in Christ.

          • http://batman-news.com albeit

            I was Catholic for over 50 years so don’t tell me Sir…Catholic influence on world leaders has led to the death of many Sabbath believing folks..Including Hitlers regime

          • Julie LaBrecque

            albeit, by the way, you never told me how many years you attended Catechism- while you’re at it, give us the Catechist’s name and the parish. I need to give them a heads up that they have had some terrible CCD teachers.

          • Woody

            This is true, some have been terrible, and hopefully that has and is being corrected. They don’t need a “heads up” on this–it is on Catholic Radio every day…
            Albeit is not someone to ask though – he spreads, like Eve, his own brand of lies. While he may have been to church–he has never been “Catholic” believing all that Jesus’ taught and teaches today.
            God Blss

          • Woody

            oh, I just caught on to this–good post. You were being facetious with our saintly “cat’lic” here. Sorry

          • Julie LaBrecque

            OK! I figured you misunderstood so I didn’t reply. I’ve done the same before.

          • Woody

            You were never a Catholic for a Catholic is One who believes ALL that Jesus’ Church teaches. Even Hollywood (mostly atheists and believing Jewish CEOs) know better than you–see the Movie “The Red and the Black” a true story exposing your lies; it is also well known that Hitler, a Pscho, killed as many of Christ’s Church including Nuns, Priests, that wonderful Protestant Bonhoffer who, if he were Catholic would be declared a saint. See also that many Rabbis have written about the Pope’s rescue of the Jews during that terrible time, the most famous:

            In Rabbi David G. Dalin’s controversial new book, he explodes the newly resurrected, widely accepted, yet utterly bankrupt smearing of Pope Pius XII, whom Jewish survivors of the Holocaust considered a righteous gentile.

            The Myth of Hitler’s Pope: Pope Pius XII And His Secret War Against Nazi Germany Hardcover

            by David G. Dalin (Author) (RABBI)

            But you would not do any research like Walid suggested–you would rather hold onto your LIES.
            Nice try though, little follower of satan

          • http://batman-news.com albeit

            So you are reluctant to leave your Catholic comfort zone and believe the many half truths that the church expouses??? So what do you want me to tell you to prove was a former Catholic??? catechism??? first communion??? confirmation??? alter boy??? church everyday before school??? nuns that slapped students in school ??? images of statues in the church??? the eucharist the liturgy??? the shameful apsotles creed??? the rosary??? the mysteries of the rosary??? praying for the dead??? praying to st francis to help you find something you lost ??? purgatory??? venial sins??? mortal sins??? christmas??? easter??? all saints day??? the list goes on forever …Go ahead believe your own lies without a shred of proof…Continue the Catholic tradition!!!

          • shoebat

            Hitler used “The Jews and Their Lies” which was written by the Protestant reformer, Martin Luther. By your own analogy, you have condemned yourself. Now, I know that you will come and tell me that you do not follow Luther, but I dare to differ, you do. Please tell me you don’t and I will show you a hundred reasons to show that you do. People who slander are usually guilty of the very things they slander others with, for the hatred of Catholics will always end up with what Hitler did to the Jews.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Thanks for bringing up Luther’s book, I hadn’t thought to use it in defense of the issue. Many “psychiatric” practitioners or similar type peoples that have read Luther’s writings from the beginning of “his” revolt think that he became insane or worse as his life progressed. He was about to punch out Zwingli at Marberg, put pounded the table instead.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Wonder if albeit knows about the Westminster Confession of Faith and what nice words it has to say about the Catholic church and the Pope? He would claim he’s not from a church that adhered to the WCF,, but he is either Catholic or protestant if he’s a Christian. He’s the child of one or the other whether he’ll tell the truth or not. Wonder how many modern day Christians have considered tracing their family tree back to the early 1500’s? If they had ancestors that were “Christian”, they would find that their ancestors were Catholic. I wonder if they would disavow themselves of that lineage when they found out?

          • Julie LaBrecque

            So, the Catholic church led to the death of… Hitler’s regime?

          • AnthonyM

            What are Sabbath believing folks, you mean Jewish people? They believe in and worship G_d on the Sabbath. You are still misinformed, even after 50 years, on Catholic influencing Hitler. He put a number of Priests in his gas chambers as he saw them as a threat, not an ally. Sorry for the long quote, but here it is: “In Three Popes and the Jews Lapide estimated the total number of Jews that had been spared as a result of Pius XII’s throwing the Church’s weight into the clandestine struggle to save them. After totaling the numbers of Jews saved in different areas and deducting the numbers saved by other causes, such as the praiseworthy efforts of some European Protestants, “The final number of Jewish lives in whose rescue the Catholic Church had been the instrument is thus at least 700,000 souls, but in all probability it is much closer to . . . 860,000.”[21] This is a total larger than all other Jewish relief organizations in Europe, combined, were able to save. Lapide calculated that Pius XII and the Church he headed constituted the most successful Jewish aid organization in all of Europe during the war, dwarfing the Red Cross and all other aid societies.”

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Thank you for “clearing the air”, with another quote.Golda Meir gave a very moving eulogy of Pope Pius. Jewish newspapers from around the world were brimming with praise all during and at the close of the war. I can’t remember the author, but he made a play in 1963 that was the impetus of the bashing the Pope and the Church regarding the Jews under Hitler’s reign.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            He’s just a basher, I quoted 3 references in the NT to him regarding celibacy in another article thread, so, he has no other joy but to condemn the Catholic church. Sounds like what the chief priests and Pharisees did to Jesus.

          • Woody

            Yah, take Dusty, she was berating the Church for catch this, “not keeping the Sabbath..” which is exactly what the Pharisees, said to Jesus, “why his man does not keep the Sabbath…”

          • Julie LaBrecque

            The Pharisees berated JESUS AND HIS DISCIPLES for breaking the Sabbath while they were in the grainfield picking grain heads, just like albeit and his cohorts are doing to us. Jesus broke the Sabbath but they don’t “get it”.

          • shoebat

            How many times must I tell you Julie, you are a Catholic. You must quote TRADITION. Why are you always quoting SCRIPTURE? Isn’t this what you Catholics are good at? Quoting law and tradition? (note: please understand, I am writing this while I am smiling since I am simply being sarcastic)

          • Julie LaBrecque

            You don’t have to worry! I can understand sarcasm because I often use it to refute the deaf and blind amongst us

          • Woody

            You know–this is a good point; why is it that Protestants are the only people I know that “tell others what they believe…” It is completely illogical. (example: Catholics worship statues–Catholics think this is so dumb they laugh) When I wanted to know my former Methodist wife’s believe I would say, “What do you as a Methodist believe on….say “sacraments?” And she would tell me…They are also “lazy” or afraid to find the truh–i.e., they can get a complete book on our beliefs called The Catechism of the Catholic Church” free at any public library-and they cannot even put out a “catechism” because they believe Jesus Church has suddenly become 32,700 of them all preaching different things they “think”Jesus meant. or they can walk 5 ‘ to their nearest dictionary and look up and see there is a difference between (“veneration” – the honor Catholics bestow on saints because they have made it and we are all a part of the same family hoping for the same result; and “Adoration,”–the worship which belongs to Only God Himself)

          • Julie LaBrecque

            albeit, I’ve already shown you in other threads, all the verses in the Bible where CELIBACY IS RECOMMENDED for those who can keep it, eunuchs for the SAKE OF THE KINGDOM. Both Jesus and St Paul make the recommendation. Rev 14:4 “These are THEY who were not defiled with WOMEN, the are VIRGINS, and THESE are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes.” Do you know who ‘the Lamb” is ?

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Have you ever heard of the Albigensians? They were vehemently opposed to marriage, not just FOR the clergy, but FOR THE LAITY TOO. And they just happened to have murdered Pope Innocent III’s representative and promised like treatment to any further delegates. No man is forced into becoming a priest you dingdong.

          • shoebat

            So many books were written that even complimented the Albigensians as “Bible believing Christians”, while they labeled you as heretic. Just imagine what the world would be like had the Catholics not eradicated so many of these heretics. We could add to the Mormons, Muslims, JH and all the multitudes of other cults.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Absolutely. In the garden at the time of his arrest, Jesus told Peter to put his sword back into its sheath. He didn’t tell him to get rid off it.

          • Woody

            He is not interested in proofs, and that is obvious…

          • http://batman-news.com albeit

            Rev 14:4 “These are THEY who were not defiled with WOMEN
            How many MEN have you defiled???

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Do you REALLY want to go that low? Will be waiting answer.

          • http://batman-news.com albeit

            Sounds to me it was quite a few…
            Anyway to get to the real meaning of that verse in which you refer…The women refers to the many churches planted on the face of the earth that teach half truths and doctrines of demons…In other words the commandments of men…They did not associate with mainstream Christianity or any of the many other false churches that are out there…Why??? Because Christ wants the two witnesses to preach the perfect truth written in the Word of God and not anything less…This has nothing to do with being married or having an occasional roll in the hay…Although, it, I would think, would be few and far between and repentance would be in order before becoming one of the witnesses… The two witnesses who in the last days will preach the perfect Word of God through out the world for 42 months…Now does that bode well for the millions of Catholics throughout the world??? I ask you Julie???
            Julie in all honesty I truly wish you would see the light and become a Sabbath believer…At least attend a few of there services …Messianic would be ideal if one in your area or something similar that believes Jesus is the Son of God and was already in the world…

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Darn the luck, albeit, some very notable messianic believers have come into “the Church’. Here’s just one you can check: Mark Neugenbauer. They are coming into the church, just as was told by St Paul in Romans 11:25-26. This is also “one” of the “signs” that we should watch for. Jesus himself tells them they won’t see Him again until they declare “Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.”

          • http://batman-news.com albeit

            They are coming into the church, just as was told by St Paul in Romans 11:25-26. This is also “one” of the “signs” that we should watch for

            Matthew 16:4 A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.” Jesus then left them and went away.
            Matthew 12:39 He answered, “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
            I take it you are one of those that Christ is referring too…Sad…Real sad indeed…

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Is your head that far in the sand? Jesus told us to watch. He didn’t say “put your life on hold, sell your stuff and head for the mountains”, but he said “watch”. So, I’ll “watch”. Do you think he meant “watch” your stop watch? A
            Aren’t you the one that has compiled the year that He will return based on calculations and shared them with us?
            “if you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull____.”

          • http://batman-news.com albeit

            Is your head that far in the sand?
            when it comes to listening to Catholic doctrine BS well…Yes it is!!!
            By the way was your Easter bunny with long pointy ears Male or Female??? Just curious…Was he or she married or single???
            Do you think he meant “watch” your stop watch?
            My stop watch is His stop watch to a degree…Remember He will return for his bride before that time that I have stated however I am still working on that!! And guess whom He will choose???
            Exodus 31:13
            “Say to the Israelites, ‘You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy.
            Exodus 31:17
            It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.’”
            This is the only sign you should be looking for Julie…It can’t get much planer than that…!!! Saturday is the DAY

          • Julie LaBrecque

            “Say to the Israelites” – I’m not an Israelite, I’m a gentile. I had no Easter Bunny. How was yours?

          • http://batman-news.com albeit

            Well you certainly are now…however you are a descendant of either Ephraim or Manessah who were decendants of Joseph who was a descendant of Jacob who was a descendant from Issac who was a descendant from Abraham and if by chance non of those then what about the other eleven from Jacob??? I’m telling you this is the Great Catholic Lie that it was only the Jews in Egypt…

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Do you not realize that the countries they scattered to ALREADY HAD PEOPLE LIVING IN THEM? I would agree that I am a descendant of Adam, but the rest is purely conjecture.

          • http://batman-news.com albeit

            Genesis 49
            “Joseph is a fruitful vine,
            a fruitful vine near a spring,
            whose branches climb over a wall.[k]
            23 With bitterness archers attacked him;
            they shot at him with hostility.
            24 But his bow remained steady,
            his strong arms stayed[l] limber,
            because of the hand of the Mighty One of Jacob,
            because of the Shepherd, the Rock of Israel,
            25 because of your father’s God, who helps you,
            because of the Almighty,[m] who blesses you
            with blessings of the skies above,
            blessings of the deep springs below,
            blessings of the breast and womb.
            26 Your father’s blessings are greater
            than the blessings of the ancient mountains,
            than[n] the bounty of the age-old hills.
            Let all these rest on the head of Joseph,
            on the brow of the prince among[o] his brothers.
            This is the United States and Britan

          • Julie LaBrecque

            You would have to prove that no humans existed anywhere on earth prior to Joseph being born to make your theory viable.

          • http://batman-news.com albeit

            To make my theory viable??? Say what …Are you drunk or just being obstinate as hell???
            Hey I have another Idea…Read the following verse in Revelation and let me know if this reminds you of December 25th…
            Revelation 11:10
            And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.
            Doesn’t sound like christmas is very christian like to the two witnesses now does it???

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Lest you forget, the Muslim world celebrated and exchanged gifts when they got the news that the twin towers fell.

          • http://batman-news.com albeit

            They most certainly did not…Yea, there was a video about one woman babling away but she was bribed…they did not exchange gifts Julie…Stop insulting my inteligence and perverting God’s Holy word to justify your Catholic pagan holidays!!!

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Chapter 11 of Revelation states that the enemies of the 2 witnesses will exchange gifts when they are killed. Pretty biblical if you ask me.

          • Woody

            Not only sounds like Albeit to me, it is obviously by his lack of any references–just like SickRent, that “some will depart from the Faith…” Soon, it will get awfully cold out there; I would ask yo to return but I don’t believe you were ever a member since you know so little about Church Teaching…

          • shoebat

            The way you lay your evidence is filled with conjecture albeit. You failed to explain how the Catholic Church forbids eating meat. I could counter by saying that we have Messianic movements who adhere to Kosher laws forbidding pork. I could also counter with Vegans too. Finding what you think as SIMILAR (accusing the Catholic as “heeding to doctrines of demons” indeed you still needed to lay down your evidence) and while you ignored the DIFFERENCES is classic on how people can pass slander. I could also argue that in the end times, people are slanderous, and by that your very accusation was reflected on you. YOU CAN’T LOOK AT SIMILARITIES WITHOUT EXAMINING THE DIFFERENCES. Its a common practice these days in Church circles.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Aleit’s best Christian example of “forbidding meat” should be the 7th Day Adventists. When a Catholic is “forbidden” to eat meat, it is usually, only, during the season of Lent. It’s called mortification of the flesh, just as St Paul “pummeled his flesh”.

          • shoebat

            “forbidding to marry” is forbidding marriage completely to everyone. Why don’t you study the Cathars and Albigensians. In reality, it was the Catholic who got rid of these, so you Mr. Albeit do not have to deal with them. Had it not been for Catholics and the battle at Tours, you sir, would be Muslim.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Is that your favorite verse?

          • Woody

            You don’t have to tell us you departed from the Faith as it is transparent.

          • http://batman-news.com albeit

            Typical Catholic response with there bigoted sense of self importance and righteousness…Twisting scripture to suit there narrow minded beliefs

        • shoebat

          Woody, when my father purchased our first TV (black and white) in Bethlehem of Judea, and he plugged it in, we all gathered excited with a bucket of popcorn. There were only two channels, Israel and Jordan. It was Yom Hashua (Day of Remembrance) for the Jews. I weep as I write this because for days Israel played footage on the holocaust. Bodies piled on mule carts, silent multitudes were being massacred in gas chambers and into pits. I asked and asked and asked. They told me that this was all a fabrication. How could all these bodies be so thin. How could millions stripped naked and be piled on top of each other like this and be acting? Decades later, they told me that Pope Pius XII was Hitler’s Pope. I believed them at first. Than I started to ask, why then do so many Jews attest that Pope Pius XII saved more Jews than any other man in history. Than CNN slandered me for days airing false information about me. I was angry with God. Why me? Than I thought of the very thing that I used to say, that God uses everything for good. Slander opened my eyes to the slandered. Than I found out that even the Jew in America is not as slandered as the Catholic. Hating Catholics is America’s only accepted prejudice. So I wanted to know more about these slandered creatures. There they are, the faithful Catholics do not slander back, they do not fight back, they do not gossip. They run daily to booths to confess their sins. They pray the Lord’s prayer daily. They try to keep sacraments. They have the least numbers of divorces than any other people (just look at Italy and Mexico). And then I asked myself “Why do we hate them?” When we first hated the Jews, we hated them because Satan hated them. When we hated the Catholics, we hated them because Satan hated them. So if we hated Jews and Catholics, have we truly shunned away Satan? How could we say that we embrace Jesus and hate the Jew and the Catholic? The world is a lonely place. It is a lonely place for anyone who wants to think. It is a lonely place for anyone who wants to love. It is a lonely place for anyone who seeks the mind of God.

      • Goten Loves Life and Apples

        The harlot is the one world religion that will be created in the not to distant future and theirs no doubt the Vatican will have a part in that and your right they are responsible for the deaths of millions of people during the dark ages which i might add was much longer than many people think and truth be told were still trying to shake the rest of the chains off from that dreadful period.

      • Julie LaBrecque

        Your gun seems to have only one target in its sights. You leaving out ANY reference to the good old protestants that murdered heaps and heaps of Catholics. Wonder why? Good old Queen Elizabeth was the most brutal of all, while the evil Catholic priest was still alive on the gallows, they were disemboweled AND castrated, then watched while their innards were burned. Then they were finally BEHEADED, but, the sadistic Queen still not yet satisfied, had their bodies cut in 4 pieces and distributed into the 4 corners of the city.

        • Woody

          Good point; but he is so prejudiced he sees evil only in his mixed up mind; throughout History deaths were committed by men, but not by Church clerics; temporal rulers were the perpetrators, and this all goes back to SIN.
          You are a quite logical Lady…he,like his cohorts never give Waiid what he asked for–references, references–instead he tells Walid “to go look it up for himself…” Right

          • shoebat

            Its very strange Woody. I have literally asked thousands of questions and not once did I ever receive an answer. I have written books and hundreds of articles asking so many questions. Not once did anyone answer them. This is why I finally went to Jesus who said “Ask and you shall receive”. Jesus answered all my questions, but most of the answers where all contrary to what I had thought and is why I changed my mind about so many things. People say they love Jesus, but they deny Him entry into their stubborn hearts. How then can God mold us to become a vessle that is put to good use? Indeed, many have become old wineskin.

          • Curtis Day

            So Walid,are you now going to become baptised Catholic? I am not being snarky just curious.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            FYI- an already baptized Christian does not get “re-baptized” when they join the Catholic Church. We believe, as does the Bible teaches and commands, in ONE baptism. What would a second baptism do?

          • Woody

            Sorry did not see your reply…

          • Woody

            Protestant Baptisms are recognized in the Catholic Church so one would normally not need a “re-baptism” as long as long as the correct procedure was performed.

        • http://batman-news.com albeit

          Maybe word of mouth did survive throughout all of those terrible centuries without the printing press and even with under the control of the Catholic church and king and queens under most of their control as well!!! There were millions upon millions of Saturday Sabbath believers before the wicked Sunday worshipping Catholic church came into being founded by Constantine …Were all of the killings recorded???… Hell No…I know we live in an age to where everything has to be proven but not back then…Look at how few Sabbath believers there are today ..They were killed off by the pagan Catholics to those that did not convert…The evidence in the few numbers of today proves it!!!

          • shoebat

            albeit, after reading your remarks here, I find it necessary to address this issue once and for all. I have comissioned my son Theodore to do an entire expose of this issue, so stay tuned. It is a serious charge that you are making here and I do not believe that you are aware of the gravity of what you are saying. You will not even find an educated Protestant who would say what you are saying here. I urge you to show any evidence to such claims. Or perhaps you are listening too much to Michael Rood, a known cultist? Your first word in your comment section is “maybe”. Do you find “maybe” in the Bible? Maybe is the beginning words of any conjecture makers. It does not fit into Christian faith, a faith that demands EVIDENCE. I assure you, you cannot find any historian who will agree with you. Please try. However, I need to address this type of nonsense. It permeates many circles, especially the Messianic.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Different day, same crap that’s been refuted to you before by 3 others!

      • Woody

        Oh, really we could never do this “all by itself” since Jesus’ Church being founded by God Himself cannot be wrong in “matters of faith and morals” because,unless you call God a liar, He did say, “I will be with you until the End of Days (this says it all) and so far He has kept His promise as we are in the 1986th year of His Word.

        Thank you again, Jesus and (my morning prayer–“Walk with me today, Jesus.”

        It’s amazing that this stuff is so easy to “research” in today’s world I can only guess that Beelelzebub is whispering into their ears–“Don’t look it up–you may discover this thing called–Truth…

        Again…this dude is “doubtful that the Catholic Church will play a part,” thus He does call Jesus a liar… “I will be with you until the End of Days

        • Julie LaBrecque

          You pray something besides “Hail Mary”? Shocking- don’t you know that the only prayer we Catholics know and say is the “Hail Mary”. Let’s not upset the apple cart here! Glad you let the cat out of the bag! You know, if these Catholic bashers would attend ONE Mass, they would be SHOCKED at the amount of time spent in prayer, besides the prayer time we spend BEFORE Mass begins.

      • Woody

        You can check–you know how to make a hormone? Pinch her boob.

        • http://batman-news.com albeit

          Sounds like your speaking from experience …”Well Are you Experienced”

          • Woody

            Nothing from a guy who can’t spell.Yes, I am comfortable with Jesus especially the greatest miracle on earth that He gave us, His own Body and Blood; nuns the best thing that ever happened to me; they are directly responsible for me not being in jail today; thank you, Jesus for Sisters Leticia, Rosalia, Leona, and even Julia who beat the crap out of me occasionally. oh, yah, what else are you heretical on:

            – Walid, has just shown in his well-researched article on
            the first Christians (we Catholics) what their worship looked like and, no surprise to me:

            – had all the smells and bells of today’s Mass

            – had the icons and statues of today’s Catholic Churches

            – had the incense of today’s Catholic Church

            – had the icons and images within the Catholic burial places of the Catacumbus

            Walid is a part of Jesus’ Church (he just does not know it yet), while you are not, but then Apostates are not new; they were predicted by

            Our Divine Savior beginning with Simon Magus who Peter put the “boots” to.

            – Walid is also a “thinking, open minded” man; he knows that if God has forbidden “statues and icons” He would not have Himself commanded

            That the Ark of the Covenant be bedecked with 2 Angels (statues); nor would Our Loving God have commanded that Moses make a “graven

            Image”(according to the normal Protestant isinterpretations of Scripture) of a “Serpent” and directed that the sick people look upon it to be cured. (Prots do not see that, while “Scripture” is inspired by the Holy Spirit – their mangled “interpretations” are not; most of this is done
            by Luther’s false “Sola brothers—Scriptura and Fides” neither are in the Bible which makes them oxymoron’s, thus this is the reason there are today over 33,000 Protestant churches all vying for recognition vs. Jesus One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church

            – Yes, and I love today’s Church before school; always wise to get closer to our Divine Savior

            – You would not understand the Apostles’ Creed which is a
            summary of the early Christian’s beliefs; even many Protestants believe; however they stumble over the part that says “…the Holy Catholic Church, being uncomfortable—no, this is reserved for real Christians not you

            And, you left our the Nicene Creed, established at the Council of Nicea where we developed the Bible under Constantine’s rule, the first Christian Emperor he was called, although he did not convert until his death bed with
            Extreme Unction

            His mom, St. Helena traveled and found the true Cross of Jesus Christ, a Cross of which my Church has a piece of (a relic to you who would not understand what a relic is); and I got to kiss it tonight our of reverence on tonight Good
            Friday

            — Yes, and the Meditations on the Gospel–Jesus life expressed on each bead of my Mom’s Rosary as She strives to bring people closer to Her Son–Her only mission
            in life, e.g., The Agony in the Garden, The Scourging at the pillar, The Crowning of Thorns, The Carrying of His Cross, and His Death on the Cross which we Catholics and Protestants celebrate today

            — Yes, and like Jesus who prayed to dead people, “Moses
            and Elijah,” we follow Our Master’s direction, we pray to them

            — Again, you are faking it–we do not pray to St. Francis for
            “lost Articles,” it is St. Anthony we pray to for this, and I use my childhood verse:

            “Tony, Tony, look around,
            Something’s lost and must be found…”

            To date he has found 237 articles i have lost (I do track them) Three years ago I was sitting with my Baptist girl friend at work; (she has terminal cancer), and she dropped her “cancer pill,; whereupon she panicked…understand-ably. I watched rather amused as one of the other lady
            associates dropped to the floor–feeling all over for it, and looking; then another guy associate, and another, and another…while I became amused, so after about 20 minutes of this nonsense – I said, Jeanie, relax, since I love
            you and you really look in panic, I’ll get the right guy for the job; “Tony, Tony, look around;; something is lost and must be found (and I closed my eyes and pointed to the floor, and said, “Your pill is right there!”

            “Oh, my God,” she cried. “It is…” and she leaned over and picked it up and into her beautiful mouth.. “But…but I
            looked there…” So I smiled and said, “What I forgot you is that St. Anthony moves things sometimes.”

            Anyway, no Catholic would confuse St. Francis with St. Anthony – nice try but no cigar!

            Call in a tutor for your spelling lessons..

            God
            Bless

          • http://batman-news.com albeit

            Was it St Anthony??? Fine it has been years since I’ve said it anyway as I was a child and grew out of that nonsense when I became an adult and I did very well at finding things without his so called help..You are entirely welcome to believe I was never a Catholic God knows that I was and that’s all that matters but you think you are smarter than him??? I could very easily debunked the practices of about 90% of the teachings the Catholic church that you’ve mentioned with bible verses but why bother you will continue to disbelieve and not make it a weekly practice to even take the time to open your bible…I do…I checked my article and I spelt yes just fine…I obviously got under your skin with the truth when you need to make false accusations against me to try to destroy my credibility..so go ahead feel free continue with your ways I will simply wipe the dust off of my feet when I leave your town…

          • Woody

            Yes, your spelling is Alter boy (if you are wrong on a “double check” it makes sense you are wrong on all)

            As an adult you have achieved the age of nonsense–“as a lady said on the radiot the other day “…an eternity is an awful long to be wrong…” Being a daily Communicant I hear the Bible every morning – at the end of every 3 years the Catholic has been through 90% of Scripture since it is read at every Mass and this is only for Sunday Catholics. Self interpretation of Scripture like you do is the reason you have over 33,000 churches all preaching what they “think” Jesus means… Sola Scriptura is an invention of Martin Luther who is 1517 years too late to know what the early Christians believed (Walid is an open minded person who has been doing “fair an documented research” and he is a Protestant–his research matches the Catholic Church not Protestant churches. I respect him because he is not interested in prejudice like you are, but only the Truth wherever it may lead.

            Neither Sola’s are in Scripture which make them an oxymoron in themselves (one of the reasons Scott Hahn left when he found this out)
            Recheck your article and just see who is making the false accusations…
            “Very well on finding things” is not the same as 100% over 30 years…[not all will achieve this fine rate since God answers all prayers, but not always what we want (because it He knows what is good for us and what is not)-you may be the exception.
            – Protestants think God forbids Statues in churches? Walid has proven them wrong merely by researching the “Know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free.” The first Christians all had icons and statues
            – they think Catholics “worship” statues (really dumb) yet, they are too lazy to get educated and look up that there is a difference between “veneration” (what Catholics do–holding someone in a very high honor, and “adoration” which is worship, belonging ONLY to God and only this is approved by all the Catholic Catechisms since the beginning of the world, already showed that if God was against statues He would not have had them (2 Angels) put on the Ark of the Covenant , not had Moses make a Serpent to heal people.
            – Protestants don’t know that the Bible never came in for 4 centuries – they never even wonder what the first Christians did (wow! they did it without the Bible)
            – They correctly say that the Bible is inerrant but do not see no one promised their “interpretations” would be inerrant
            (I normally do not mind some spelling errors but as many small words as you have does indicate, (as one woman said here) shows a lack of education, especially when you want people to believe you on other matters)

            .”what is the pillar and foundation of truth?” that is the KEY!

            God Bless, hope you find your way to TRUTH someday, but the devil’s plan has always been to “keep people out of Jesus Church,” and sometimes he succeeds – that clever jerk…this is also why Walid says the “…prejudice against the Catholic Church is the only fair game around today…”
            Jesus warns us “where society goes–don’t go there” and society is certainly anti-Catholic

          • http://batman-news.com albeit

            You are incorrect on so many fronts I don’t know where to begin!!! Lack of education!!! Oh yea, I see you take great pride in throwing the baby out with the bath water and generalizing to the extreme!!! You ought to put your article in Microsoft Word and see all of the incorrect spacing and spelling errors in your own articles…I could point them out for you but why??? It is foolish to argue with an idiot!!! Improper indentation for a new paragraph as well…I wasn’t aware that perfect English was a prerequisite to enter Gods kingdom… Another false Catholic teaching perhaps…I see how you are!!! Have a great pagan Easter celebration!!!

          • Woody

            We adore Thee O Christ and we bless Thee Because
            by Thy Holy Cross Thou hast redeemed the world

            STATION 1ST

            Christ speaks:

            In
            Pilate’s hands, my othe self, I see my
            Father’s Will.

            Though Pilate is
            unjust, He has earthly power over Me.

            And so the Son
            of God obeys. If I can bow to my Father’s will,

            Can you also
            submit, even in the face of injustice?

            I reply

            My Jesus Lord, Obedience
            cost You Your Life,

            For me it cost an act of will—
            No more—

            And yet how hard it is for me to
            bend,
            Remove the blinders from My eyes

            That I may see that it is you
            alone whom I obey

            Lord, it is you.

    • Woody

      Wow, drag woman is back; he wouldn’t know history if he tripped over it; read Walid’s article on the truth of history, and who is right and who is wrong–it won’t be you;

  • yahshua love’s you

    The stupid Muslims are only speeding up the time for my moshiach to come by the way they are Gods rod which he punishes those that do not listing to him but he’s going to destroy those evil Muslims in the end when he’s finished with using them by the way that fool Hawkins should call his church house of Satan instead of house of Yahweh because he is evil as hell together with his buddy malik odrama scum bags

    • Tzione

      Do you know where that scripture is? I can’t find it…Todah!

      • yahshua love’s you

        Here my ach in yehshua ha moshiach its in yeshayah 10:5 but its best you read the whole chapter 10 to understand thats how yehshua shall destroy them in the end shalom

        • Tzione

          Todah Rabah!!

          • yahshua love’s you

            Lo toe-dah achi shalom

        • Woody

          Maybe Mickey Mouse is the key here?

          • yahshua love’s you

            Lo yeshua ha moshiach Ben Yahweh shalom

          • Woody

            ad altare dei ad deum qui letificat … be- nedicta tu in mulieribus et benedictus fructus ven … orabit ad te omnis sanctus in tem- pore …

    • Julie LaBrecque

      “All in accordance with the workings of Satan”, can’t remember exactly what NT book it’s in, put, I think I got close without checking. Maybe one of Paul’s letters.

  • AmericanJesusBR

    Citation please

    • Woody

      Yes, his grandmother who was present at his birth in Kenya and his brother who says he is a Muslim.

      • Julie LaBrecque

        Tell AmericanJesusBR to get Jerome Corsi’s book “Where’s the birth certificate”, (I think that’s the name) He has photo evidence of documents (besides others) at the DNC while Obama was being “nominated”, then the same “document”, when later presented, had changed. I can’t recall the details, but it sure is compelling.

      • AmericanJesusBR

        I believe I asked for a citation, not further babble.

        • tomads

          look over the birther arguments…
          They are not preposterous as the cesspool media would have ewe sheeple parrot…
          I like the destruction of the immigration data for Honolulu for the period of his birth…

          • AmericanJesusBR

            Again, citation please, from a credible source. No more babble.

          • tomads

            go find them ewerself…

            they are there…

            hawaii obama immigration records destroyed

          • AmericanJesusBR

            No good. Researched what you asked me to. I can only find other Obama hating websites. The only thing that comes close is His father attending U of Hawaii (full records). So you fail.

            REAL citations please.

          • tomads

            The sheriff is more real than Obama…
            ewer already committed to failure…
            obviously an ObamaVoter…

          • tomads

            try google…

        • Julie LaBrecque

          Read Jerome Corsi’s book, it is LOADED with data. I don’t have it handy right now, it’s at my office and I’m not there right now or I’d grab it.To me, whether or not he was born a citizen, he has turned this country upside down. Other presidents helped pave the way, along with a lot of congressmen, but the crown is on his head. He did keep one promise, so he isn’t a total liar: “Change you can believe in”. Do you know that he declared, and it is on tape “The muslim call to prayer is the most beautiful sound on earth.”, words close, maybe not exact, but you get the point.

    • tomads

      It’s ewer choice what ewe want to be if ewe grow up…

  • foxxybey

    So does the Anit-Christ, does that say something about the illegal president Islamist from Kenya?

    • Woody

      You got something right…

      • Julie LaBrecque

        LOL!!

  • http://yahoo.com/ DustyFae

    Another Bible Prophecy about to come true….Closer to the coming of Jesus..

    • Woody

      Wow, a woman priest; so smart; I’ll bet she goes to church on Saturday like the Pharisees…

      • http://yahoo.com/ DustyFae

        Saturday is the true Sabbath…. prove me wrong

        • Julie LaBrecque

          Wrong. Jesus is the true Sabbath.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Do you have the “Bread of the Presence”, i.e. showbread, in the tabernacle like you’re supposed to? WE DO, with the light on.

          • Woody

            Are you asking me? No–I never heard of this? But then again my SnuggleBunny says I am dumb.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            No, reply to Dusty Fae

          • Julie LaBrecque

            I’m talking about our tabernacle that always has light _OOPS, its a CANDLE, don’t tell the conspiracy theorists that says “wax” candles were introduced in 240 AD, (proof of pagan worship!) they’d scrape the bottom of their septic tanks to dig up crap on Catholics. Wonder how the early Christians could see in the catacombs to worship!! Bet they used candles!! Maybe they had night vision goggles!

          • Woody

            Good post1 Oh, the red tabernacle light when lite indicates that Jesus is present in His little Home…many of our beliefs are taken directly from the OT Covenant.
            DF may be at Church although it is not yet Saturday.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Yes! I think some places call it the sanctuary light.

          • Woody

            Hey, I was thinking about this at Church and now know why I did not recognize your terms; we always called it “the Sanctuary Lamp,” and I thought “well all the Catholic Churches have them,” so I look around at Church tonight and see this Church does not have it?? I will have to ask the Monsignor.

            (Oh, that fake Catholic is bugging me again; i will return to you, baby. soon) When I look at the beauty of the “woman” I see God.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Since the sanctuary is “empty” tonight, there is no light.

          • http://batman-news.com albeit

            It just never ends with you or the Catholic church!!! It never ceases to amaze me how humans will do everything in their playbook to follow the cammandments of men so they do not have to change and repent…Once when I knew the truth I changed immediately and repented for my lack of knowledge taught by decieved men…But you oh heaven forbid…Hell would freeze over before that!!!

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Different day, same crap.

          • Woody

            Let me see here; wow not one spelling error? Not bad for an Apostate.

          • Karen Honick Ortwein

            Julie, Greetings sister! Where in OK are you? I live in Moore, just south of OKC. Nice have fellow Okie. I would love to attend your church if it is in mid Oklahoma. Im not Catholic, but have been exploring 1st century church.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Tulsa area, but have step-daughter in Moore, and we are in Norman for all home FB games, and have nephew in The Pride. Keep exploring, you’re going to find the truth. If you want a short-cut, read “Crossing the Tiber” by Steve Ray (Baptist), he was a committed anti-Catholic, started reading church history and the early fathers and was stunned at what he found, converted in 1994, his book documents the sources he studied. Another (shorter) book is “Rome Sweet Home” by Scott Hahn (Presbyterian Minister), started seeing holes in protestant theology, searched the early writings and converted. Also “Born fundamentalist, Born Again Catholic” by David Currie, “No Price too High” Alex Jones, Pentecostal Preacher, and several others. You can go to youtube and listen to some of their stories. Also, explore the eucharistic miracles that have been thoroughly scientifically examined, the most notable happened in Lanciano, Italy around 700 AD. The consecrated bread turned to bleeding flesh, and the wine to blood. The flesh is heart tissue, blood is type AB, same as the Shroud of Turin. The flesh and blood still exist to this day. I would love to meet you next time I’m in OKC, and am thrilled that your mind is open. We need to somehow exchange mailing address off-site. God bless you

          • Woody

            Hey, I love Fr Groeshel as he always says “There is no such thing as an accident.” I believe he wrote a book with the same title, and what I mean by that someone on the radio yesterday,said “Crossing the Tiber” is such an excellent read and story. Anyway, we are so lucky to be getting so many talented Protestants who are returning Home. And look how high they rise so quickly. Most of them risk losing friends, but find it well worth it in the end. These are what my mom used to call, ‘Fair weather friends anyway.” As I listen to Catholic radio almost all the show hosts are either converts (Marcus Grodi) or re-treads. I read Mother Angelica’s autobio and it is funny, she actually was 4 years old in Cincinnati sitting on the curb drinking a beer. Then it tells the story of how she started Catholc Radio and her fight with the Bishops–she going to her Mother Superior and telling her the Holy Spirit wants her to go down to Birmingham and start a “radio show.”MamaSup said, yah right,how much money do you have – I believe she pulled out a buck or something like that–well-it happened and look today it is Worldwide; 2 or 3 times she was cured by God of her afflictions, one time jumping up and dancing throwing her braces away. See what Faith can do. Patrick Madrid is on station or offshoot –St Gabriel Radio–he goes to my Parish, and he has a talk show and the Protestants love him–he treats them so kind and nice. And he really knows his stuff, written many books etc.–I just ordered 3 more today. God Bless
            (yes, and don’t post your personal data here for you are too good looking)

          • Julie LaBrecque

            I love Mother Angelica, she is awesome, heart breaking story of her dad, etc. I love having EWTN, and the radio station, its all I listen to. Have you ever listened to John Martignoni? He’s awesome, very passionate, has some good youtube videos. Geez, between albeit and sumsrent, I don’t know which one has the harder head. They are about to wear me out.

          • Woody

            Ma used to say they are cut out of the same patchwork quilt; Jesus said “…some will have “Hardness of heart” and “Thou art a stiff-necked people…” Centuries change but men don’t always.
            Martignoni? Is that the shrink? I go to Church with Elizabeth Ficorelli who usually interviews Seminarians. After my Protestant girl friend asked me if I could find her an Exorcist, I bumped into Elizabeth after Mass one morning–I casually, said, “Elizabeth you wouldn’t happen to have a spare Exorcist on you? – Would you.” Elizabeth is a convert to Jesus’ Church too, and said what she misses most is not having the opportunity of being taught by nuns when she was a kid?’ I was taught by them and I would be in jail today if it were not for those wonderful sisters…
            God Bless
            (I think the SicRent is having an emotional problem or maybe he just has to pee or something?

          • Julie LaBrecque

            He’s still fumbling for a way out of explaining why he did work on the Sabbath!

          • Woody

            I’m just not sure what point they were all trying to make with this Sabbath thing? Who cares what the Old Covenant did; that other chick flared out too but I see all my Protestant friends worship on a Sunday, and then they have all these idols all over their house–can you beat that-pictures of their husbands and sons and daughters in golden frames yet; isn’t a statue of a loved one just a 3 dimensional picture of someone we love? My Baptist girl friend one day took an “idol” out of her pocket and said, “this is a picture of my son.” I said, “Boy, are you in trouble.” She didn’t get it. Nice girl though…I hope she has not died of her cancer-haven’t heard from her in 2 months and we used to talk daily. Say a prayer for her…

            I grew up with a Protestant friend and when I visited their home the sister (a teen) walked across the living room naked (she said HI) and later the said go into the kitchen and have a cookie; mom was at the sink doing dishes–naked- then dad came home from work and up and down stairs – naked. When I asked my friend later “do you see anything unusual about your family>” When he said,”What do you mean?” I dropped it.
            God Bless, I mean turn in…back to taxes in the a.m.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Yikes! they must be trying to imitate Adam & Eve!

          • Woody

            Do you know this guy? He is great and funny too. Maybe he could straighten sicrent out? Ya think? Aye. On his site, he says, if I can’t give you an answer to your question, I’ll make one up.”

            Sounds like someone we know, Aye

            Reverend Know-It-All

          • sumsrent

            No Julie… I left a comment down below.
            Your problem is… you don’t understand the Sabbath.
            You satanically influenced catholic church members think the Sabbath is a day of worship rather than the Day of Rest.
            And as I looked at you comment down below… I realized how confused and brainwashed you are… it’s sad.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            We call it “The Lord’s Day”, in honor of the day Jesus thoroughly and un-mistakenly defeated death itself.

          • sumsrent

            Assuming you’re attempting to be civil here… I’ll do the same…
            It does sounds confusingly similar to “The Day of the Lord”…

          • http://batman-news.com albeit

            Hey Julie why don’t you try this one out for size….

            Matthew 24:5 For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.

            So what is your take on this verse??? It means one of two things…First it represents an imposter prophets that claims to be Christ the Lord…However this is highly unlikely because anyone that believes in the death and resurrection of Christ would already know he is an imposter…So it must mean something else…This is the true meaning of this verse…It is representative of the many various churches that arise including the Catholic church that claim “Jesus Is The Christ” but because of their man made rules, doctrines and traditions many of its members are deceived…This is exactly what Christ was referring too…
            So how are you going to deny this verse this time???

          • Julie LaBrecque

            “Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is administered only by the Bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the Bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be: even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church”. St Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Smynaeans 8, written circe106 A.D.

          • Woody

            Hey, try this one on for size one of your buddies:

            Why Jason Stellman Has Protestantism Nailedby Scott Eric Alt [ezcol_1half id="" class="" style=""]

            Here is an article which, if you haven’t read, you should. On his blog Creed Code Cult, Catholic convert and former PCA minister Jason Stellman posts this article on the fundamental paradigm difference between the Catholic Church and the Protestant “ecclesial communities” (to use Benedict XVI’s more accurate description). Mr. Stellman manages to write his article without using the word “paradigm,” but at heart, that is what he is talking about. And you should read it because he flat-out nails it.

            Here’s why: Because he says the words that many Catholics have thought but haven’t said; for, to say them will most certainly rankle. But Mr. Stellman says them and lets them stand without either overwought hyperbole or cowering apology:

            One thing I have begun to notice—especially after starting to fall in love with G.K. Chesterton about five years ago—is how practically and ecclesiologically atheistic Protestantism seems from a Catholic perspective.

            Mr. Stellman is willing to explain what he means by comparing Protestantism with atheism, but he does not backpeddle on the comparison. The gist of the comparison is that Protestantism, historically, has entailed an excision of the supernatural from the Christian imagination. Oh, Protestants believe in supernatural events—when the Bible has recorded them. But outside the context of what Protestants are bound by sola scripturato believe, the supernatural is nothing better than superstitious:

            Yes, Gabriel appeared to the young teenager Mary in the year 9-months BC, but no, Mary did not appear to that young teenaged girl in France in 1858 A.D. Yes, the Holy Spirit took a gaggle of sinful fishermen and protected them from teaching error so that they could pen the New Testament, but no, the Holy Spirit could not possibly have supernaturally protected their successors from teaching error when they continued their ministry of governing the Church that Jesus founded.

            That is spot-on in its exposure of the Protestant double-standard on infallibility: We believe that Peter was infallible when he wrote two epistles, but not when he taught as pope. Protestant apologists fail to explain how the Holy Spirit could guide the authors of Scripture but not the Magisterium of the Church. They fail to explain how God is capable of turning water into wine in 30 A.D., but just couldn’t have appeared before a poor Polish nun in the 1930s to tell her about His great mercy. They fail to explain how the one is the action of God, but the other little better than ignorant superstition.

            Protestant apologists want to confine the miracles of God to the pages of a book, because in their hands the pages of a book are safe and unthreatening. A book can be contained; it can be submitted to exegesis, to cool reason, to the canons of academic theology. Thus they cannot fathom the fullness of the unbindable glory of God; and that is, in fact, to be atheistic—in both ecclesiology and the religious imagination. An image of Mary on a 16th-century tilma is as superstitious for a Protestant apologist to believe in, as the Resurrection itself is superstitious for an atheist to believe in.

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            Jason Stellman

            It was G.K. Chesterton who helped reveal this truth to Mr. Stellman because of his insistence that Christians “recover that sense of childlike wonder which humility tends to foster. … [R]ed dragons are needed to amaze us because red apples no longer do.” That is correct, and I would add another Chestertonian observation to the mix. In his great book Orthodoxy [1], Chesterton (who hated Calvinism, which is why I love Chesterton) talks about what it means to be mad. He says that the error in the way we think about madness is to attribute it to the loss of reason. The truth is, rather, the opposite. “Poets do not go mad,” he says, “but chess players do. Mathematicians go mad, and cashiers; but creative artists very seldom. … The madman is not the man who has lost his reason. The madman is the man who has lost everything except his reason” (10-11, 13).

            But therein is the Protestant paradigm: Protestants are very good at scriptural exegesis (albeit within their own heretical framework), and they are very good at analytical homiletics. But they have little sense, in their theological orientation, of wonder or miracle or the supernatural. To the supernatural, such as they accept it, they bring mere cold reason and empty white rooms. They do not know what Gerard Manley Hopkins meant when he wrote, “The world is charged with the grandeur of God.” And that is why they—and especially the Calvinists in their midst—are mad.

            All this is what Mr. Stellman has come to understand over the past years; and that is why his witness and testimony are of such great value to the Church—to those who are in it, and those who will be brought to it because of what he has written.

            Kudos, and a belated “Welcome home,” to Jason Stellman.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Both Steve’s and Janet’s families rejected them when they converted. Don’t know it that’s still so, I thought Jehovah witnesses were the only ones that did that.

          • Woody

            Well…a missionary I just met told me Muslims are rejected and sometimes killed if they convert to another religion; so they “whisper to him” –“I will convert as soon as my family pass on.”
            He is a nice guy; told me (this is unbelievable) was sent from all over 18,000,000 Rosaries and they were snapped up quickly, so Our Lady is still doing her job of “bringing people to her Son, Jesus. (this is in Africa where a “new Crusade is growing as we speak) And as you know – the Rosary is the Gospel (each bead representing an event in Her Son’s life.)
            God Bless

          • Julie LaBrecque

            I know quite a bit about the conversions in Africa, mostly have come through visions of Mary, some of Jesus, one or two had both. Just bought “The Boy Who met Jesus”, by Immaculee Ilibagiza,.
            “Wise men still find Jesus with His mother.”

          • Woody

            How come no Catholics I know talk about this one in Egypt – it is so real; think Walid mentioned it/? Zeitoun? If that ain’t Our Lady in the films with hundreds watching her–I’m an old sock.

          • Fr Christopher P. Kelley, DD

            The first men to see her, at Zeitoun, on the edge of Cairo, were two muslim garage mechanics, in April 1968. Thousands followed, through August that year. The son of one of Nasser’s cabinet ministers was healed of “incurable” paralysis. I’ve met some of those who saw Her there. Coptic Christians realized, however, that Her coming was to prepare them for persecution to follow.

          • Woody

            Thanks for the info; funny but one does not hear the Church talk this one up like the other apparitions? The Pics on the Inet are AWESOME.

          • http://batman-news.com albeit

            Jesus is the true Sabbath
            Of course he is and on what day did he rest while on earth…I ask you Julie???…Hello I’m not heeeearrring you???
            On what day was the first Sabbath day after Christ was born on a Wednesday at high noon the 14th day of the 7th month???
            Genesis 8:4
            Then the ark rested in the seventh month, the seventeenth day of the month, on the mountains of Ararat.
            You should not observe any other day as the Sabbath other than Saturday Julie…Stop perverting God’s Word!!!

          • Julie LaBrecque

            The bow given in the Noahic covenant was a ‘sign’ that there was more to come. God put a ‘bow’ in the sky, but it was only half of a bow. As far as when Jesus was ‘on’ earth, He seemed to be ‘breaking’ the Sabbath.

          • http://batman-news.com albeit

            but it also pointed to a later ‘fulfillment’ to come
            Only a half a bow??? Where in the book does it say it should have been a full bow??? There was no later fulfillment promise made Julie!!!

          • Julie LaBrecque

            The full bow is around God’s throne.

          • shoebat

            albeit, Jesus kept that Sabbath, of course, but He also kept Kosher laws and He was circumcised. So, and if we use your argument, I ask: should we also keep Kosher and circumcise our children as a mandate of the law? Based on the way you argue, you are now stuck to answer “Yes”. Is that your position? I rest my case.

          • http://batman-news.com albeit

            I ask: should we also keep Kosher and circumcise our children as a mandate of the law?
            Many Jews do keep the kosher laws..I know one that orders his turkey online to keep kosher for Thanksgiving Day…Whether or not it is a sin if you keep kosher or not I do not know…The bible is not clear on that however we are commanded to be a set apart people and Holy so there you go…I try to keep kosher in some areas of observance but I am not strict in it …

          • sumsrent

            Well folks…
            Here we have it… a weeks worth of arguments about the Sabbath with the satanically influenced catholic fake church members…
            Who… who… who…
            Will fight to the death on which of the seven days we Christians should pick to worship God on. [Of course I prefer every day and not just one specific day]
            But… but… but…
            They’ll argue til they’re beat red in the face what day we should worship on and yet not one of these C’lics will state for the record that they don’t believe they worship the same fake god of satanic Islam… which they’re popes profess!!!
            Go figure!? They just can’t bring themselves to go against their satanically influenced catholic fake church and side with Christ Jesus!!!
            Let’s see…
            Christ Jesus… vs. the fake god of satanic Islam…
            Which do you choose?
            PS… I hope all you Catholics are now asking yourselves who you really want to serve…

          • sumsrent

            Here’s another thought…
            Folks… if most everyone here agrees that the antichrist will be the Caliphate/Mahdi of satanic Islam…
            Ask yourselves this question… who will be the False Prophet? The representative of the Christian world? The wolf with two lambs horns?
            Who would guess that it probably would be the most recognized so called Christian in the world?
            Who would guess that it would probably be a so called Christian who believes that the fake god of satanic Islam is the same God of Christianity?
            Does any particular person come to mind?
            Tell ya what… let’s ask the pompous and pious members of the so called “only true church”… those Catholic’s who believe us other Christians are peons…

          • sumsrent

            One more thought…
            Wiki Reports:
            “1.2 billion”… satanically influenced catholic fake church members who believe that the fake god of satanic Islam is the same god of Christianity…
            Plus…
            muslimpopulation(dot)com Reports”
            “2.08 billion”…. satanic worshipping muslims worldwide…
            [of course sources differ from 1.7 -2 billion muslims]
            If my addition is correct…
            Added together that is… 3.28 billion people on this earth who believe the fake god of satanic Islam is real…
            And since they have such a large voice… with the Islamic media pushing muslim sympathy through brainwashing…
            No telling how many more of this worlds population believes the fake god of satanic Islam is the same god of everyone!
            No doubt… that figure extends way beyond half of the world’s population!
            And since 75% of the brainwashed American population sides with same sex marriage… [who only make up 4% of the population]…
            I will step out and bet that it is a good possibility that 75% of this world’s population right now falsely believes that the fake god of satanic Islam is the same god of Christianity!

          • sumsrent

            Folks…
            The two main deceptions satanic worshipping muslim use on Christians is…
            1) That their fake god is the same god of Judaism & Christianity
            2) They revere Jesus who is mentioned in the satanic Quran.
            But what they don’t tell you is that they consider Jesus a mere man… a mere Prophet… and not the Son of God.
            Who would dare agree with that!?
            Which definitely makes satanic Islam an antichrist totalitarian government cloaked in a religion!
            Folks… as we can see… the Christians are being duped by these deceptive and yet satanic tactics of satanic Islam…

          • Fr Christopher P. Kelley, DD

            Well, at last you’ve got something right, sums!
            I think St Paul is referring to this when he speaks of satan liking to appear as “an angel of light.”
            “Political correctness” and “cultural relativism” are demonic twisting of truth that many of the academic elite have bought into, because it relieves them from thinking.

          • http://yahoo.com/ DustyFae

            Jesus is LORD OF THE SABBATH and NOT the Sabbath–
            Genesis 2:3
            So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation.
            Catholics change the Sabbath to Sunday, God did not changed any of HIS laws.. Man did.

          • Fr Christopher P. Kelley, DD

            JESUS, God Incarnate, fulfilled this completely by His Own Rest on that Sabbath, in the Tomb given by St Joseph of Arimathea, now the centerpiece of the Church of the Resurrection, aka Holy Sepulchre, in Jerusalem, the place known and visited by Christian pilgrims since the First Century. HE then consecrated the EIGHTH DAY by His Glorious Resurrection. HE consecrated it AGAIN by His EIGHTH SIGN, His appearance to St Thomas, on the Eighth Day. HE consecrated it AGAIN by the Descent of the Holy Spirit on the DAY of PENTECOST, yet another First Day of the Week. And, you will note, in St Luke 6:1, 6, & 12, St Luke says He chose His Twelve first Apostles from among His many disciples, on the day AFTER the Sabbath, and it would seem, preached His “Sermon on the Plain” (St Luke 6:20ff.) on that same First Day. (This may, or may not, be the same as that reported by St Matthew, Chh. 5-7.)

            Given this clear Pattern established by JESUS, He certainly impressed the FIRST Day upon His closest Followers. (He clearly *told them something* about what they were to do!) So St Paul’s congregation in Troas met on the First Day of the week in Acts 20:6. Pliny the Younger, reporting on results of torture of some Christian women, ca. 112 in Asia Minor, says he learned that they gather before dawn “on the first day of the week.” It was NOT BY ACCIDENT. It had nothing to do with “pagan” influences. From the very first, Christians were “EIGHTH-DAY ADVENTISTS!”
            DustyFae, somebody has lied to you. It isn’t I.

            The Day After the Sabbath is “the beginning of the New Creation” in Christ. We are all supposed to be “new creations”.

            Get with the Program! Don’t be deceived any longer.

          • Woody

            How are you my raving beauty? I sometimes worry about our friend, sicrent. Do you think maybe he is strange at times; I was thinking maybe he has Pseudocyesis? He seems like the type; and then again I think the way he gets so nervous sometimes “wailing” to Walid that he is overburdened; maybe he just has to “go” and I just heard the nicest thing on TV he which might help him–the discreet pocket catheter? What do you think? I wonder what happened to his bud, Wayne–he and Wayne used to chase and try and see which one could capture the most “beasties” in a day? Wow? That was the same week I was really rolling; having been placed 2 marks of the beast on me; been committed to Gehenna, while at the same time having fun with my friends who all speak in Tongues. This was all after they discussed being “ruptured” or something like that–and I sure wouldn’t want them to fall out of a car and hurt themselves. And little beauty Dusty is not far behind as she worships on Saturday which I believe was the old Covenant? Aye
            God Bless, you were up late last night embuing some wisdom on these blatherskites along with that sage–Fr Kelley; I wonder if he is Megan’s brother?

          • Fr Christopher P. Kelley, DD

            Not Megan’s brother. Margaret’s.

          • Woody

            Ah, still up I see; at least you are awake which is more than I am–time for my Rosary to say Hi to my Ma; she’s had more than enough out of a wastrel like me; Thank God for her…
            God Bless, and keep up the good work

        • sumsrent

          And they never did…

      • http://batman-news.com albeit

        Woody The Saturday Sabbath is correct and it begins in fact when the sun breaks the horizon on Saturday morning and not on Friday night which is how most Sabbath believers observe it…

        • Woody

          Yah,but once again you are in the right pew in the wrong Church; Early Christians did worship on Sunday also, and to Dusty “PROVE ME WRONG…” Right here Tough Stuff, the explanation called “Truth,”:

          Some religious organizations (Seventh-day Adventists, Seventh-Day Baptists, and certain others) claim that Christians must not worship on Sunday but on Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath. They claim that, at some unnamed time after the apostolic age, the Church “changed” the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.

          However, passages of Scripture such as Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2, Colossians 2:16-17, and Revelation 1:10 indicate that, even during New Testament times, the Sabbath is no longer binding and that Christians are to worship on the Lord’s day, Sunday, instead.

          The early Church Fathers compared the observance of the Sabbath to the observance of the rite of circumcision, and from that they demonstrated that if the apostles abolished circumcision (Gal. 5:1-6), so also the observance of the Sabbath must have been abolished. The following quotations show that the first Christians understood this principle and gathered for worship on Sunday.

          The Didache (Forerunner to the Bible-my comment) since it is much older (unlike the Bible which came in in 325 AD at the Catholic Council of Nicea [don't think one Protestant showed up]

          “But every Lord’s day . . . gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned” (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).

          The Letter of Barnabas

          “We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead” (Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]).

          Ignatius of Antioch (my favorite guy)

          “[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death” (Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).

          Justin Martyr

          “[W]e too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined [on] you—namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your heart. . . . [H]ow is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm us—I speak of fleshly circumcision and Sabbaths and feasts? . . . God enjoined you to keep the Sabbath, and imposed on you other precepts for a sign, as I have already said, on account of your unrighteousness and that of your fathers . . .” (Dialogue with Trypho the Jew 18, 21 [A.D. 155]).

          “But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead” (First Apology 67 [A.D. 155]).

          Thank you, early Christians for your TRUTH–

          Notice that poor Walid still does not get any references like i am giving…thus it is easy without references not to spread the truth (however, I do give my Protestant Bros & Sis”s he benefit of the doubt–it is done through ignorance and (I do not mean “stupid” I – mean legitimate “lack of knowledge” not done purposely)

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Well said, nay, WELL PROVED. Good job

          • sumsrent

            I don’t find it “well proved” at all…

            To me a wordy comment is evidence… especially when I’ve seen wordy comments attempting to prove that the Jet Airliners used on 9/11/2001 were holograms.

            Just as I reminded you to read up on the Ten Commandments and learn what an idol is… It appears as if you also need to read up on what the Sabbath is… aye?

          • Woody

            I know according to you God Himself is wrong when he told Moses to “make a fake serpent” and have the people look at it for healings, or Walid’s wonderul article on the first Christians (Catholics) Churches were filled with (to you idols), and you still need to educate yourself on the difference between “veneration” and “adoration” — you don’t want to find out there is a “difference.” You actually look silly saying God cannot approve of making basically a statue–Catholics believe God can do anything He wants. To really strain your brain – look up Dulia and Hyper-dulia ..but a warning – going this deep into metaphysics is for advanced educated people only.

          • sumsrent

            You use the words… “make a fake serpent”
            Those are your words… NOT mine!

            Why do you keep bringing up veneration and idol worship with me?

            You tell me… “to educate yourself on the difference between “veneration” and “adoration””

            I had NO conversation with anyone about veneration!

            You are a trickster…

            You say… “You actually look silly saying God cannot approve of making basically a statue”

            Once again… I’ve NEVER said “God cannot approve of making basically a statue”

            You’re a LIAR!
            PS… Keep it up Woody with your games… you keep helping me to expose your lying, trickster ways.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            YOU are the one demanding “look up to 10 commandments, see what an idol is” Do you forget your own questions, and then blame Woody for “keep bringing it up”.

          • sumsrent

            That’s incorrect Julie… I told you what I’ve said in the past and was showing YOU how confused you still remain.

            Here is the comment addressed to YOU Julie… not Woody…

            “Just as I reminded you to read up on the Ten Commandments and learn what an idol is… It appears as if you also need to read up on what the Sabbath is… aye?”
            If you can comprehend… it was reminding of the past in order to get you to look up what the Definition of the Sabbath is.
            It really isn’t that hard to understand is it Julie?

          • Julie LaBrecque

            To a Christian, Jesus is our Sabbath.

          • Woody

            Who cares-we changed it like circumcism.

          • Woody

            this is almost too funny but it is tragic; this Sumrent claims He is a Christian, but Jesus most repeated admonition is to “love your brother like yourself.” That is why this guy is sick, how can his posts filled with rancor, hatred of Muslims, the Whore of Babylon, …on and on and on–so how can he compare his Rants to Jesus Who said to love everyone…? (The other person “I’ve met in this life like this was possessed) aye! (he even thinks he is a pirate (hmmmm, mayber because they are from another “age.” Don’t forget his “logic”? has “demons casting out “demons.” How logical is that? We memorized the 10 Commandments in the 2nd grade; and who cares about the Sabbath anyway, only he and Dusty, both of whom I would guess if they worship at all do it on a Sunday.
            aye

          • sumsrent

            The main problem with you C’lics is… you are pompous and pious…

            Take a look here… Dusty makes a simple comment and you question her as if she is scum…

            You say… “Wow, a woman priest; so smart; I’ll bet she goes to church on Saturday like the Pharisees…”

            Now granted… maybe you have had discussions with her in the past which made you feel powerful enough to say such a comment…

            But if I had my choice to side between her and you… I would go with her.

            NOW THEN>>> another lie of yours… You say… “he even thinks he is a pirate”
            When did I EVER claim to be a pirate? ARE YOU LOSING YOUR MIND? Have me mixed up with someone else?
            HOW ’bout quit trying to change the subject and answering the question on where you got the definition of the Sabbath?

          • Woody

            That’s how much u know I love Dusty she is gorgeous. So you would go with her, Aye, no wonder you prevert you-but she would never go with someone who does not love his neighbor for she is a Christian in the making…Aye
            Walid offered to help your mind by giving your a site where you can find the definition of the “Sabbath” but like everything else you refuse because “,…the Truth would set you free..”
            Thank You, Jesus (lead this blatherskite on)

          • sumsrent

            Pervert?
            Where do you come off with such remarks?
            I dated my wife in High School and have been married ever since… to just one woman.
            Get over your distorted thinking!

          • Woody

            You need to learn to read–I said “prevert” not pervert!” time for beginning reading course. Aye

          • sumsrent

            Touché… but your implications were obvious…

            Maybe you could explain differently… aye?

            You say… “Dusty she is gorgeous. So you would go with her, Aye, no wonder you prevert you-but she would never go with someone who does not love his neighbor”
            Fact is Woody… you’re a waste of time…

          • Woody

            That lets you out who is anti-Musim, anti-Catholic, anti- Islamist, anti- Saudi, anti Iran, anti-African… anti-Pope, and then there is my Master, Jesus who said “You must love thy neighbor as thyself..” and “everyone is thy neighbor…Thank you, Jesus

          • shoebat

            Everyone is Touche here. Now we are talking about Dusty instead of Didache. How long must I be with you all, always finding you diverting from the topics. Wish that we all could put away our feelings, insults and the such and instead focus on the subject at hand. Tell Woody how much you love him. Woody tell sumsrent how much you love him … lets move on with our main discussions.

          • Woody

            I always love Sumsrent – I think he is cute, always paripeteting around

          • sumsrent

            Touché as in… used to acknowledge a hit in fencing [sword fighting] or in this case… the success of his trickery to catch me off guard.

            Woody intentionally used the word “prevert” instead of pervert in his implications of accusing me of wanting “to go” with Dusty.

            We’re talking about Dusty because Woody and Julie originally jumped on Dusty in the beginning this article when Woody wrongly insulted Dusty by saying…

            “Wow, a woman priest; so smart; I’ll bet she goes to church on Saturday like the Pharisees…”

            Which had nothing to do with her original comment which she said… “Another Bible Prophecy about to come true….Closer to the coming of Jesus…”
            From there Julie jumped in on her…
            Take a look at the very first comments here…
            Woody is an instigator… and Julie tags along as support. Quite a problem… as usual.

            Which exposes the problem of Woody and Julie both hooking up together to push their doctrines upon everyone else. But when corrected… they never cease to divert the conversations unto something else just to keep things going and going and going… and going…

            For instance… here above Woody [out of the blue] says… “That is why this guy [referring to sumsrent] is sick, how can his posts filled with rancor, hatred of Muslims, the Whore of Babylon, …on and on and on–so how can he compare his Rants to Jesus Who said to love everyone…?

            Well.. we all know that we are to love our enemies and neighbors… including muslims… but what we aren’t called to do is love their sin or their worship of false gods.
            So then… does last word Woody harass me because of exposing satanic Islam? Nope…
            Does this then mean he approves of satanic Islam? Maybe…
            What he really hates is me exposing his false doctrines… so he trolls me down just to instigate and provoke.
            So again I ask… why do you keep pressing me? The problem is with Woody and Julie. Take a look… see for yourself…
            Do we likewise blame the USA for the muslims attacking us on 9/11/2001? And even excuse their deadly behavior because we have aided Israel in the past? Or because they see us as the Great satan?
            Why are the bullies of this world not held accountable for their actions? And the victims expected to appease the bullies?
            Are us Christian Infidels worthy of being enslaved, raped, maimed, mutilated, bombed, terrorized and killed because we deserve it? For simply refusing to submit to satanic Islam? For simply believing that Christ Jesus is the Son of God?
            How do these thing hurt muslims which gives them the right to seek revenge, attack and kil us?
            The fact is.. it’s a messed up backwards thinking world nowadays…
            You ask me to state for the record that I love Woody… yes, I love him as a brother… but that doesn’t excuse his behavior or give him the right to be free from correction. Or… give him the right to persist on provoking me because I’m not Catholic.
            Obviously; he can’t refute what I have to say… and that there… eats at his inner core.
            And as you and Julie continue to support his behavior and press me to make changes… he feels as if he now has a free pass to keep it up.
            Just like what the world is doing for satanic Islam.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            I just busted a gut!

          • Woody

            So you are not like the lady at the well; at least you will get the same lady in Heaven (i may have 3 or 4 hot wives)

          • sumsrent

            You love Dusty???

            When you say… “”Wow, a woman priest; so smart; I’ll bet she goes to church on Saturday like the Pharisees…”

            Q: What kind of love is that?

          • Julie LaBrecque

            please, please, tell me you aren’t from Oklahoma.

          • Karen Honick Ortwein

            why did you say that?

          • Julie LaBrecque

            So he’s not a spot on the state I love. I’m a transplant from California, but claim Oklahoma as my home.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            I know all about sumsrent, I’ve had dialogue with him before on other topics. Actually, Jesus said he gives us a new commandment, (our priest spoke about it tonight), that we are to love others, as He loved us.

          • Woody

            Actually, he is kind of cute though; dancing around with blinders on…he did admit he is often thrown off sites. I know he doesn’t sleep…I am surprised he hasn’t jumped on this:
            This would really give him a reason to hate.

            Demon Possessed Muslim Talks About His Desire To Eat Human Hearts

            Then we could call a Catholic priest to cast out the demon..Aye

          • Julie LaBrecque

            I think sr wants to eat our hearts! At least “figuratively”!

          • Woody

            Are you new? I’ve never seen you, like Walid, only in the last couple days; when I look at girls like you and Dusty – I see God…but then again I see people in Church–halos around many of their heads. Thank you, Holy Spirit
            Have you ever been to a Charismatic gathering? Now if you want to experience the HS–it is here. I was doubtful but no more…seen to many strange things…
            Actually, the movement was started by the Prots but the main streamers like Lutherans, Calvinists, Methodists, kicked them out (no support) “they would have no one who would speak in Tongues, perform healings, prophecies, etc They told them “all this ended with the Apostles…” Wow, are they wrong! So the Catholics picked them up and the former “Pentecostals” I guess went out of business or maybe there is a Protestant on this site that knows about it …
            Walid is so nice I meant to tell him about it–I do not know what state he is in, but most states have a “Charismatic” group and I bet he would attend one of their meetings..
            Whew! I am glad my posts are so short, aren’t you?

          • Julie LaBrecque

            No, I haven’t been, would love to though. I think Walid is in California, my home state. The best conversion story in book form I could recommend is Steve Ray, “Crossing the Tiber”. He confesses to being one of the biggest anti-Catholics in the world, worse than Scott Hahn if you can believe! Like most converts, they started searching history and ran into an elephant!

          • shoebat

            Where I am in remains a mystery for security reasons, but I am originally from Bethlehem. I have been to Oklahoma, I love it there. It is as you said, very friendly. Wish I could live there.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            I knew you were from the House of Bread! Always praying for you and your family’s protection. God is with you. Stay strong.

          • Woody

            may I sing “Oklahoma” to you…

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Yes you may! I love it.

          • Woody

            Once again… I’ve NEVER said “God cannot approve of making basically a statue”

            You call them “idols” which they are not; red your own posts…

          • sumsrent

            satanic worshipping muslims will deny worshipping the Kaaba in Mecca… the exact same way Catholics deny worshipping idols.

            Are you trying to draw me into a different subject so you can use your Copy and Paste pre-written rebuttals from your Catholic Defender websites?

            Of course you are…

            Silly you… you trickster…

            How about we finish the discussion about the Sabbath first?

            PS… you are a lousy Defender. And it bothers you to the bones that you can’t do anything but make up lies and false accusations!

            AGAIN>>> How about we finish the discussion about the Sabbath first?

          • Woody

            Yah, I believe you are against “graven images” and so are Catholics so what is your beef?

          • shoebat

            Sumersent, if I may ask you a Jesus style simple question, the Didache, was it written by Godly people or was it written by Satanic followers?

          • sumsrent

            I saw your comment above referencing it… and I’ll admit I never heard of it until now. So yes… I immediately went to researching it. Hadn’t had the time to really give an opinion on it.
            But… I would say that it was probably written by godly people. The question I would ask… what god did they serve?
            For instance… the Book of Jasher… is a book not only mentioned in the Bible… but a IMO… and book about the True God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I haven’t taken the time read all of it but what I’ve seen what I’ve seen it looks legit. [If I may put it that way]
            Have you seen my reply to you on the other article? Because now… I’m getting confused by these comments from you.
            And please note… I have noticed your continually reference of calling me “Sumersent”.

          • shoebat

            Sumsrent, you stated: “I would say that it was probably written by godly people.” You have answered wisely Sumersent, indeed, it was written by Godly people. Here then is my other question, why has the oldest instruction manual (actually the first instruction manual) been so absent for all these centuries? Was there a coverup? Why didn’t our churches share this with us?

            Why is it shared within the “satanically influenced Catholic fake church” (as you call it), but not in our Protestant churches? Is there a cover up? And this manual was BEFORE the “satanically influenced Catholic fake church” (as you call it) began (I assume in your view the Catholic Church was founded during the 3-4 century). Now, the Didache was from the FIRST century and according to you, it had the TRUTH. And since its the oldest manuscript after the N.T. Would you then adhere to its instruction? I shall patiently await your kind response. Walid Shoebat. P.S, sorry for the misspelling of your name. As far as your other comments, I wasn’t condemning you for not giving references, but had asked you for that specific occasion and comment and for my sake of asking a favor of you if you can help and provide a reference and post it on that spot where I asked. Would you kindly do that for me? I have read hundreds of your comments in the past (you might think I do not read them, I do), it would be difficult for me to trace them. I never objected to your comments, (even though I disagree at times with you), yet this once I asked you a favor, this shouldn’t be a problem, I hope.

          • sumsrent

            I have no problem doing that favor… I’ll get to it probably Monday, the latest. But also know… I’ve already addressed Woody on these issues… he keeps playing games as if I haven’t. Which makes him untrustworthy.
            Moving on…
            I might had said “godly”… but that didn’t mean the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob or… that I’m calling it “Truth” even.
            As far as the answers to all your questions regarding the Didache… I can’t answer them right off… as I’ve said, I haven’t researched it yet, let alone prayed about it or studied it.
            But then… how do we know it ain’t tainted by biased Catholic interpretations like Polycarp’s letter? Which Catholics have latched unto as evidence to tie their church into Peter? Which is questionable to me… because other versions don’t use the word Catholic or “universal” at all.
            So what we have is… the Catholic version interpretation of things and the non-Catholic version interpretation of things.
            And when I use the Holy Bible to define a Christian… it isn’t based upon being a Catholic… and when I see how all these popes make the claim that Christians serve the same fake god of satanic Islam…
            I’m left to believe that the Catholic interpretations are false and their versions are lies.
            Also… if so many here proudly refer to how the Holy Bible was put together by Catholics… then why didn’t the Catholics include the Didache in the KJV? And the book of Jasher?
            Maybe I’m missing something here? Or is the Didache and the book of Jasher included within the Catholic Bible?
            I’ve also seen other books that weren’t included in the New Testament too…
            So to me… it’s not a question of how Catholics did this or that… it’s about how Christians did it.
            Remember… I’ve always believed that there ARE Christians within the Catholic church…

          • Woody

            No we don;t we have truth and the term “Catholic” was not introduced until 107 A.D. and i have related the truth several times which proves you are not interested. In a short, “as Jesus predicted, many heresies were growing to confuse His Church, then called “the People of the Way” and when, St.Ignatius of Antioch made several joyous stops on his ways to his execution by the the Romans in Rome; during one of these stops the people asked him a good question, …how do we know where the Church of Jesus is? And he answered …”look to Rome; wherever the Bishop is (Peter’s successor) that Church is truly Catholic (Universal)…and the term “stuck” and has been with us ever since. God Bless Thus,if Didache is older than 107 AD – you will not find the term before that event.
            note that the Didache even forbids “Abortion” which impressed me.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Yes it does include the word abortion! As far as the dating of the Didache, I’ve read around 60-70 A.D., the consensus of most historians is that it was written before most of the books of the NT. As far as the church that Jesus said HE would build, the gates of hell WILL NOT prevail against it-from its beginning right there in the upper room, to His death on the cross, to the day of Pentecost. Proof ‘the church’ EXISTED already is in Peter’s preaching on the day of Pentecost, followed by the comments AFTER those present were Baptized, are the comments :and about 3,000 souls were ADDED that day. Not to blow a horn, name a Church that has existed since the Didache, that has always, and still does, teach that abortion is wrong, grave sin?

          • Woody

            SicRnt will deny this and say “It was probably written by Catholics – this is the same guy that thinks there are “devils casting out devils…” Figure that one out…
            You are so well-read…you must be Jesuit educated…

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Who told you-I’ve been trying to keep that info covert! LOL!!

          • sumsrent

            I’ve already addressed this issue as well… several times.

            But you refuse to listen… or even think. Always playing the absent minded Catholic… how convenient… aye?

            So tell me… where did you get your definition of “Sabbath”?

          • Woody

            From Walid but you already rejected his kind offer of giving it to you

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Woody- meant to reply to sumsrent, maybe he’ll see it.

          • sumsrent

            You say… “No we don;t we have truth and the term “Catholic” was not introduced until 107 A.D.”

            I can only assume this is an answer to whether the Catholic Bible has the book of Jasher and the Didache? Who knows?

            And as Julie implied… I’m the idiot for not having the Bible version which doesn’t have your other seven books… then why doesn’t your fake church have these? Are you and Julie idiots for not having the Bible with the Didache and the book of Jasher? (YIKES!)

            The second half of this comment says… “the term “Catholic” was not introduced until 107 A.D…. which proves you are not interested.”
            Actually; Woody that is another lie of yours. Remember I was the one who questioned this date and shown how other versions say “Church of God” and NOT “Universal”… and definitely NOT Catholic…
            See… isn’t it amazing how Catholic history can take historic documents and inject it’s own version and wording?
            Which means what? Someone is lying? And with the other evidence I’ve seen and cited… it tends to point to the satanically influenced Catholic fake church.

            Hey… instead of jumping in on Walid’s and my conversation… how ’bout answering the question… “Where did you get the definition of the Sabbath?”
            It seems as if you’re being evasive here? Is there a reason? Are you caught up in some more lies and can’t dig out of them?

          • Julie LaBrecque

            some of your argument defeats itself because the very “bible” that you have a translation of, 66 books (66? yikes), comes from the Bible (73 books) that the Catholic Church provided for the world. If you had the missing seven books, you would know the story about the woman with the 7 seven husbands that the Jews try to trip Jesus up with.

          • Woody

            Ah, yea baby’ and they would have a truthful knowledge of Purgatory, and actually we cannot blame the loss of the 7 books on Luther since he sent all 73 books to his printer–who “lost” them, since Luther only got 66 books back on his first crank at Sciptura. The Prots are so confused at all this that, like other things, some of them include the books in an Appendix or somewhere witihin the very bowels of their bibles. But if they wanted to they could very easily resolve “their” problem by going back to the Bible Jesus most often quoted from, “The Septuagint” which is extant today. “You have eyes yet you do not see; ears yet you do not hear.” Thank you Jesus for interjecting Yourself in this conversation.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            What gets me is why they ignore the number of books in their bible? Who wants 66, when you can have 73? Maybe they should be called “sola short scriptura”. I don’t really care, but you wonder why some of them don’t ponder why Luther threw out 7 books that had been canonized? How can they trust the others shouldn’t have been thrown out too?

          • shoebat

            sumsrent, you stated ” I haven’t taken the time to read all of it [The Dedache] but what I’ve seen and read, it looks legit …”

            It looks legit. This is what you stated. I can also almost bet that I can give you a hundred or so documents which were written by Catholics and you would not know the difference as to who wrote them, Catholic or Protestants. The problem in your analysis is this: The Dedache was written during the first century, how could it (according to you) be written by Catholics who started between the Third-Fourth century. The Dedache says Sunday, not Saturday, it calls the bread Eucharist, it had indulgences, confirmation …In reality, there exists no book in the First to the Fifteenth Century that is written by Christians that would disagree with the Didache.

            You are left now with only a few options:

            1) to retract the positive comments about what you stated regarding the Didache since it does not agree with your theology. If you choose that, it becomes a MAJOR problem for your argument since all historians agree, the Didache pretty much was followed by First Century Christians.

            2) to accept that the Didache hold the beliefs of all Christians (which all historians agree) which then leaves us with one conclusion, that is you adjust your views a little.

            Also, you say “I’ve always believed that there ARE Christians within the Catholic church…” perhaps then you can provide me with a single name of a Catholic that according to you, you consider “Christian”? I would be very interested to talk to them.

          • sumsrent

            Walid… I said the Book of Jasher looks legit… that was not in reference to the Didache.

            You say… “The Dedache says Sunday, not Saturday, it calls the bread Eucharist, it had indulgences, confirmation …”
            For the record… what you say here isn’t clear…
            I have to ask… It says ‘what’ is Sunday not Saturday? The day of worship?
            And by you taking up this conversation in Woody’s and Julie’s defense you’re making this difficult for me. I’d rather you not get involved and just watch.
            As far as meeting with who I believe is Christian and a Catholic… I’m sure he would take up the offer to meet you if you covered the expense. He was my Best Man at my Wedding. But then… he is a very humble person too and might not see the purpose of such an encounter.
            In fact… I certainly believe his whole family… mother and sisters are Christians.
            So… how does providing a “single name” prove anything?
            But I will add… I believe mother Theresa was a Christian too.
            And this may surprise you… I also believe that Woody and Julie here are Christians.

          • shoebat

            sumsrent. Glad that you consider Woody and Julie as Christians. There would be no need to meet your friend, since you provided some valid ‘specimens’ to examine. I say ‘specimens’ sarcastically. I hope Y’All do not mind some little sarcasm. But how then do you deal with the issue that Julie and Woody believes that Mary is the Mother of God and they say that she is the Queen of Heaven and they pray for the intercession of saints in heaven? How do you defend this position you took that they are Christian?

            As far as the Didache, you are correct, you were speaking of the Book of Jasher. I miss-read your statement. However, you did state “I would say that it [Didache] was probably written by godly people.” So I am still awaiting the response to my original questions. And here is the Didache on what it said about WHEN to worship and gather:

            The Didache

            “But every Lord’s day . . . gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned” (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).

            This is around 70 A.D.

            The Lord’s Day has always been known to be Sunday:

            The Letter of Barnabas

            “We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead” (Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]).

            Ignatius of Antioch

            “[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death” (Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).

            Justin Martyr

            “[W]e too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined [on] you—namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your heart. . . . [H]ow is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm us—I speak of fleshly circumcision and Sabbaths and feasts? . . . God enjoined you to keep the Sabbath, and imposed on you other precepts for a sign, as I have already said, on account of your unrighteousness and that of your fathers . . .” (Dialogue with Trypho the Jew 18, 21 [A.D. 155]).

            “But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead” (First Apology 67 [A.D. 155]).

            The ones who insist on Saturday worship instead of Sunday are simply following cults. Think of the Seventh Day Adventists, They are a Judaizers, a schismatic cult from hell. Why would we “the Christians” follow these? The devil tries to put a wedge. Here we are now fighting over issues that were resolved long ago. The devil revives all the schisms, while the Church has put their arguments out long ago. Think deeply brother sumsrent, I do really care about you not to fall into the snare of the devil. We must always look out for each other. Your brother, Walid.

          • sumsrent

            I just made a reply to Woody… not seeing this until I scrolled down here now.

            I could easily pick many of these quotes apart… but I’m not…

            The evidence you provide shows the Day of Worship… but yet… the Sabbath is the day of rest.

            As far as I’m concerned the Christian world doesn’t need to be given a specific day to worship the True God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob… the Father of our Lord and Savior.

            We should worship our God every moment of our lives… forsaking not the gathering of the people… of course.

            But the Sabbath has never been removed. Even God rested on the seventh day long before Adam & Eve sinned in the garden.

            Now… even still… one could take the argument that our All Knowing God already knew that the Day of Rest was gonna be replaced by us resting in Christ Jesus… sure… but I don’t agree.

            If that’s the case… then explain why it is written in Genesis 6:6… ” And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him”.
            This to me is like giving a child the keys to our car… knowing what will be the outcome… but not knowing how it will happen.
            The way I see it… God has a plan… and that plan will work… but there have been obstacles thrown in that plan which has caused God to adjust.
            Otherwise the topic gets into predestination… and that our God already knows who is saved and who isn’t gonna be saved. And if that’s the case… why even spread the Gospel?
            Does God know the sin you’re gonna make tomorrow? Or next month? I don’t believe so…
            At any rate… I will never believe that the Commandments no longer include the Sabbath as the Day of Rest.
            If you notice… the discussion was always about the Sabbath being the day of worship… which to me is the lie which the devil has snared many to latch unto.

          • Woody

            Of course he would rather you not get involved; look how he danced around these easy logical questions; since the Didache as written in 70 AD (look how close to Jesus – 28 AD), and it describes:

            “The Dedache says Sunday, not Saturday, it calls the bread Eucharist, it had indulgences, confirmation” which is exactly the same as Catholics today believe and Sumsrent doesn’t – who is like the first followers of Jesus–a no brainer!

          • sumsrent

            Wrong!
            Again I’ll ask… The Didache says WHAT is Sunday, not Saturday?
            The day of worship? The day of rest? The day muslims kill Christians? The day Catholics can’t spew lies? The day Catholics use to rewrite history to keep pace with satanic worshipping muslims?
            Can you not answer that simple question? Of course not…
            Because the satanically influenced Catholic fake church created a day of “worship” out of thin air like fiat money!
            Tell me… what are Christians to do during the other days of the week? Sit and twiddle their thumbs waiting for the “Day of Worship” to come about? Let their Catholic Bibles gather dust? Are these days dedicated for Catholics to head out and attack Protestants? Catholics use these other days to read the satanic Quran?
            Or… are those the days which Catholics use to do “works” so they can keep their Salvation?
            You Catholics are SOOOOOOOOOOO blind and duped!

          • sumsrent

            I’m gonna assume this is your comment which you wanted me to answer the questions…

            Therefore let me begin with… there a several versions of the Didache. Which is the truly accurate one is questionable?

            But I would go with Tony Jones’ version myself.

            The Catholic versions are tainted with Catholic wording designed specifically for brainwashing the masses with their interpretation.

            Wiki says… “Lost for centuries, a Greek manuscript of the Didache was rediscovered in 1873″…

            Especially since it was during pope Pius IX reign. Who is accredited with defining the so called “Immaculate Inception” and “Papal Infallibility”. [Controversial issues which I don't agree with either.]

            So there remains doubt on when this Didache was even written.

            My view on when the Catholic church was “founded” isn’t concrete as of yet… what I do know is that Peter and Linus weren’t popes at all and were just given the title to trace the Catholic church back to Christ Jesus through Peter.

            In other words… I have a suspicion that the focus on Constantine is a distraction from the truth of when the Catholic church was actually founded. Which may have been earlier… I suspect. But definitely not by Peter or Linus.

            As far as the “truth” of the Didache”? That’s still debatable…

            1) It doesn’t refer to Jesus as the Christ

            2) When the first copy was found… ironically others were found all about the same time.

            3) Too many other versions twist up many of the words to change the meanings. Like “molestation of children” vs. “do not corrupt boys” and… the use of the word “Eucharist” which not even Ignatius or Justin the Martyr used.

            Sofiatopia…
            The DIDACHE or DUAE VIAE
            Wim van den Dungen Antwerp, 2014

            a) “In his Apologia (ca.150 A.D.), Justin Martyr (born ca. 100 A.D.) describes the sunday ritual as starting with the service of the word immediately followed by thanksgivings (“eucharists”)…”

            b) “Ignatius of Antioch (executed in Rome in 107 A.D.), who only wrote of the eucharist in passing, calls the celebration “breaking of bread” (Letters).”

            And since I can’t get any references to when the word “Eucharist” was even coined… this leads me to believe the Catholic church replaced wording so the world will believe their lies even more.

            You ask… “Is there a cover up?” Which I would answer… it looks that way.

            You also ask… “Would you then adhere to its instruction?”

            Probably not… because I don’t believe anger leads to murder.. for one example.

            Since it says… 3:2 “Don’t be prone to anger, for anger leads to murder. Don’t be jealous or quarrelsome or hot-tempered, for all these things lead to murder.”

            And… I don’t believe these are true either…

            3:5 My child, don’t be a liar, since a lie leads to theft. Don’t love money or seek glory, for these things lead to thievery.

            My overall take… I wouldn’t trust it. Even the way it’s worded it could have been written by a muslim who was bent on unifying the Christian world with the satanic Islamic world.

          • Woody

            There is only ONE God.

          • sumsrent

            Are you implying that the fake god of satanic Islam is the same God of Christianity? Or just the same god of Catholicism?
            Please answer…

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Tell us, please what is an idolator? Please consider the following from the Old Testament (proofs in addition to all the graven images in Solomon’s Temple which God consecrated)
            Please respond to the following questions- 1. Was David an idolater when he “leapt and danced” for joy in the presence of the Ark” (it was made of gold, with graven images of cherubim on it). Yes, or NO?
            Were the daughters of Israel idolaters? 2 Samuel 1:24 “oh daughters of Israel, weep for Saul who gave you scarlet and fine linen to wear, who pinned GOLDEN JEWELRY on your dresses? Yes, or No
            NT 3. Were the wise men idolaters? “Matt 2:11 “they saw the child with His mother. They PROSTRATED themselves and did Him homage”, right their in His mother’s presence. Yes, or no.
            If you could quite figure it out, and idolater is someone who has a God other than Yahweh, or someone who places ANYTHING above Yahweh.

          • sumsrent

            Julie… stay focused here… don’t change the subject.

            Listen to me… I’ll say it again…

            “Just as I reminded you to read up on the Ten Commandments and learn what an idol is… It appears as if you also need to read up on what the Sabbath is.”
            And I’ll add… I was being too kind… it doesn’t “appear”… it actually is.
            What you prove here is just what I’ve been saying all along… that you C’lics can’t think for yourselves and must keep the discussions in the areas which you feel in control of… which y’all can scoot off to getting pre-written copy and paste rebuttals so y’all can be in charge.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            sorry to disappoint, but I’m an old fart and don’t know how to cut and paste, and I don’t have bible software to use. It’s all in my head, or I have to look it up. I don’t have cheat sheets like you do.

          • sumsrent

            Cut and Paste? OK… my apologies… you don’t know how to do that. Silly though… my advice… learn… it’s very simple.
            But you’re still a control freak…

          • Julie LaBrecque

            When I get a new phone, one of my adult children has to “show me the ropes”, and I’m not afraid to admit it.

          • Woody

            Your asking the wrong guy–he does not know that the Ark had 2 angels (statues on it) since it would disprove his nonsense and make God an “idolator” too, just like he has “demons casting out demons” in the Catholic Church…Duh! He needs to take a course in Metaphysics but he can’t even spell it. Poor guy.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            I think I’m about done with him, and with foxxybey, she’s a real trip, LSD, I don’t know, just talks in circles, responds to post that asked for proofs to questions answered, response is like she never read the post she’s responding to., like when you ask your kid if they cleaned their room and you get a million reasons because they don’t have a good answer.

          • Woody

            Who is this–Dusty? Well, she is pretty and you know how us disgusting men are, cutting a break for any chiclet.

          • Woody

            Right your comments are just right; they say nothing,just rants and raves.

          • sumsrent

            And comments are full of distortions, lies and twisted up accounts of history?
            Tell me… where did you get your definition of Sabbath from?
            I’ve been waiting days now for an answer…

          • sumsrent

            Here ya go Walid…

            Woody says… “Notice that poor Walid still does not get any references like i am giving…”

            and then says… “I do not mean “stupid” I – mean legitimate “lack of knowledge”

            WoW!!!

            The pompous lies of a C’lic… If we could all be as good and perfect a sinner as Woody here.

            And then… Julie the other most vocal satanically influenced Catholic fake church member adds her two cents… saying… “Well said, nay, WELL PROVED. Good job”
            Too sad…

          • Woody

            You are a bit slow–but I can help you

            Acts 20 shows them worshipping on Sunday (breaking bread the common term for receiving the Body & Blood of Our Savior

            1 Col 16-2 Same – used to be called a “day of rest”

            Col 2-16 the sabbath is the “holy day…” unless you are Jewish Like Dusty who worships under the Old Covenant on Saturday [she says] (Jesus brought the New Covenant in case you don’t know), or like you – apparently you and Dusty are Muslims since the consider the 1st day of the week–Saturday….

            2 16 Again – New Moon begins with “Sunday (as above defined as “holy day” – Sunday worshipped by the early Christians [in the New Covenant] although a Muslim like yourself would keep Saturday holly

            Re 1:10 as again the first Christians (all Catholic–Universal Church of Jesus (meaning “everywhere”) as defined in above verses…

            The earliest known reference in East Asia to the seven-day week in its current order and name is the writings attributed

            to the …

            the first day of the week is Sunday.

            Sab·bath

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            noun

            1.

            the seventh
            day of the week, Saturday, as the day of rest and religious observance among Jews
            and some Christians. Ex. 20:8–11.

            2.

            The first day
            of the week, Sunday, similarly observed by most Christians in

            commemoration
            of the Resurrection of Christ.

          • sumsrent

            You do know that satanic worshipping muslims observe Fridays… don’t you, oh wise one?
            Here’s the story…
            For years I had unknowingly defended the satanically influenced Catholic fake church regarding the Sabbath… not knowing I was defending a church of lies which worships the same fake god of satanic Islam.
            Now then…
            Tell me… where did you get your definition of “Sabbath”?
            My Strongs isn’t anything close to your reference… why is that?
            In fact it does NOT have the Strongs reference number… how come?
            Tell me also… since you’ve been so boisterous about providing evidence lately… is your so called “evidence” truthful? It doesn’t look like it…
            Try again… aye?

          • sumsrent

            Two hours later Woody and I’m still waiting…

          • Julie LaBrecque

            How ’bout the words of Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch, in 107 A.D. Letter to the Smyrnaeans. “Wherever the bishop appears, there let the people be; as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful to baptize or give communion without the consent of the bishop. On the other hand, what has HIS APPROVAL is pleasing to God. Thus, whatever is done will be SAFE AND VALID.”

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Now you are on your own, go read the other writings of Ignatius and other church fathers and see what day they gathered to worship.

          • sumsrent

            I’m gonna assume that this was a continuation of your comment to me…

            So I';ll offer you the opportunity to answer for Woody since he seems to be evading…

            Tell me Julie… “I’m curious how these verses are evidence that Sunday is the day of worship?”
            Can you pick up where Woody left off? Considering you also felt compelled to correct Dusty…

          • Woody

            This guy has a fixation on the Sabbath–have you been circumsized for religious reasons?

          • Woody

            Oh, yah. and maybe Dusty was too.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Read the post following the one you are referencing, I went on to say read the Church Fathers and find out for yourself the day they worshipped on.

          • Woody

            Who cares pray on whatever day you wish.

          • Woody

            Yes, just came from
            there–the Church was crowded and hundreds receiving the Lord’s Body and
            Blood… In fact the priest said so many nice things–

            (first they washed
            the people’s feet–I didn’t go up cause my feet stink (a joke)

            — he said many are
            hurting tonight in our own neighborhoods – so whose feet will you wash
            tonight-love your neighbor

            — Just before Holy
            Communion, He said, “Jesus loves us so much that (tomorrow being Good
            Friday) that He really did not want to leave–so He did both-he stayed (that is
            why He gave us His Body and Blood) and He left–dying for us on the Cross.

            — I did see Pope
            Francis the other night on TV jumping out of line and kneeling down to that
            lowly priest and confessing his sins (what a humble different guy)

            (The last time I
            went to confession – the priest fell out of the box – (a joke) I have to note
            this because the Prots don’t have a sense of humor–too busy hunting
            “beasties” i guess–I wonder what happened to Wayne – SackRents
            buddy–when I last looked he was up 2 beasties to Sackrents beasties??? or
            maybe they don’t want to get in their “dreaded” Rupture
            comes..Dah…dahhhhhhh! This motorcycle will be empty – I saw a sign or
            something like that-funny for 1600 years none of the first Christians even
            mentioned this–nor did Yesua..

            Sleep tight and God
            Bless

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Agreeee- our joyful hope is the see the beatific vision, theirs joyful hope is to get raptured our of here so they don’t have to face the persecution Jesus promised we would have to endure.

          • Woody

            Oh, as I was about to post–this guy is still confused on which day to Worship; I like Padre Pio’s advice, “…sit, stand, lie down, Sunday, Saturday, who cares as long as you PRAY!”

            These people get lost in trivia; yet ignore he greatest gift given in the History of the World:

            On the night he was handed over, took bread, and, after he had given thanks, broke it and said, “This IS my body that is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup iS the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup you proclaim the death of the Lord until he comes.

            — From Today’s Reading
            1 Corr. 11

            Note: that He does not say “looks like my Body…looks like My Blood-No he is adamant- “IS” is pretty clear to me;

            I heard on my car radio the other day (a lady) saying, “That’s it! I go to my church (Protestant) and they expect me to read “Genesis” literally; then go down the street to another Prot church and they say, “I must take “John VI” not “literally” when it is obvious Jesus is talking literally because THE PEOPLE IN THE CROWD CERTAINLY TOOK IT THAT WAY SINCE–THEY WALKED AWAY!. I am returning home to the Catholic Church where I know I will get the Truth.

            (Well ,this is the reason they have now approaching 33,000 Protestant churches while we still have the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ Who promised “I will be with you until the End of Days…” Thank you, Jesus)

            And why Scot Hahn says “Fifty years from now I am convinced only the Catholic Church will be here…”
            He left because he could not find “Sola Scriptura” in the Bible and neither could many of his Minister friends give him a “citation” from Scriptura…so it fees on itself–if IT is not in the Bible and “only what is in the Bible is True–then it is not true either.” Thank you,Jesus and Scott

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Funny, they take the word of God literally in ALL PLACES, except for when Jesus tells to eat his flesh and drink his blood, (the eucharist, the actual covenant), and Baptism (entry into the covenant) is figurative too, not literal!

          • http://batman-news.com albeit

            I do not take it literally and be ready Julie for the Lord cometh at an hour that you do not expect and that hour will be between 2033 and 2040…I still do not have all of the pieces put together but am still working on it…so there is a window

          • Woody

            Poor Julie; he likes you!

          • Woody

            Happy Easter–the Lord has RISEN!
            God Bless

          • Woody

            He won’t read anything Truthful so he can continue with “the Ostrich Technique. Or as the great Bishop Sheen, “…when one does not seek, he will not find. (ignoring Jesus of course)
            Thank You Jesus
            Aye

          • sumsrent

            Can you ever speak the truth? Of course not…
            What you really mean down deep is…
            If everyone doesn’t blindly follow the satanically influenced Catholic fake church… we’re not seeking…

          • sumsrent

            What does your silly comment half to do with the Sabbath?
            PS… I’ve already refuted these words which your fake church leans on. Don’t you remember Julie? Or… are you suddenly also suffering from an absent mind like Woody does all the time?
            If you missed it refer to my comments on the “When will Catholics and Protestants go to hell” article… that way we can stay focused on the Sabbath for now… aye? Is that OK with you?

          • Julie LaBrecque

            have, not half. Jesus is the Christian’s Sabbath. We honor his day of resurrection as our day of worship. Jesus is God, get it?

          • sumsrent

            Yes Julie… you’re right… it is “have”…

            You got me…

            I’m glad I was able to help you to be useful somewhere in life.

            Here’s your official badge of honor… you are now part of the Spelling Police. Congrats… you earned it!

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Spelling, or was it word choice?You can put the badge on my parents first, they were tough, demanded correct grammatical usage, and yes, we better bring home 100% on our spelling tests. Second, another badge to my superb HS English teachers that were unrelenting in their demand of our proper pronunciation of words, grammatical correctness, sentence structure…

          • sumsrent

            Aren’t you the pompous C’lic?

            I see many mistakes in just your two comments here… can you see them?
            Apparently your Academy trainers weren’t very good… you’re failing as a member of the Spelling Police.
            I see you’re not perfect… are you?

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Not trying to be pompous or else I wouldn’t have given the credit to parents and teachers, unless you can’t read and understand. I never claimed to be perfect, just tried to point out to you an incorrect usage so that you don’t repeat it. You know, that’s usually the way we learn: say or do something wrong, someone points out the error, so as to spare us the same mistake in the future. I never faulted you or anybody for a keyboard error, did I?

          • Woody

            So true and, like a female Paul correcting, the Corinthians – you are doing a good job in Christian kindness. God Bless

          • Julie LaBrecque

            I’m just not always so kind in how I do it because the same ole ones keeping coming back in lieu of all the scriptures I’ve quoted. And they are the sola scripturists! They refute the very thing they claim is their bedrock when it doesn’t fit their theory! More than ironic if you ask me.

          • sumsrent

            How can you be a member of the spelling police and have all the mistakes you have in your comments?
            You don’t see them do you?
            Take the log out of your own eye Julie!
            Because if you spent your time correcting everyone’s mistakes on word usage and spelling errors… you wouldn’t have any time to spew the lies of your satanically influenced Catholic fake church!
            Although… that does sound like a good idea…
            My advice… start with your own mistakes… first.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Using ‘half’ instead of ‘have” is not a spelling error in my book. I make as many spelling errors as the next guy, I stink at typing so I’m not quick to point out “spelling” errors”, because a lot of the errors made are typing errors. Picking the wrong word can’t be blamed on typing or misspelling.

          • shoebat

            sumsrent, I was waiting for my Didiache questions to be answered. Did I miss the answers? Or have we dropped the ball?

          • sumsrent

            Actually; I believe I’ve already covered and explained my position on every one of your comments to me. Have you read all them or… have I missed something?
            I can’t answer your questions because I don’t plan on reading the Didache this weekend. So I guess that means I’ve dropped the ball.
            Why are you pressing me? It won’t ever change my opinion about how the popes are wrong for making the claim that Christians worship the same god of satanic Islam.
            At any rate… at quick glance… I’m not impressed.

          • Woody

            Walid offered you help with an understanding of the Sabbath which you seem to have trouble with and he offered many verses back which I believe you turned him down. We new you are not in accordance with the new Covenant which Jesus brought to Julie and me. But that is ok as we won’t hold that against you.

          • http://batman-news.com albeit

            More mumbo jumbo crumbo…putting the words of man ahead of the bible

          • Julie LaBrecque

            In case you would ever begin to study the early church fathers, you will see that they are in perfect alignment with the scriptures. You will NEVER read the early Church Fathers because you are scared to death of what you will find.

          • Woody

            Talk about ignorance–the Bible is the words of man or have you never heard of Mathew, Mark, Luke and John Bless this bed I sleep upon; You must think a walrus wrote Scriptura…i did not notice any of your people at Nicea when we put the Bible together…do you think they overslept?

          • http://batman-news.com albeit

            The Catholic church wasn’t even in existence back in 107 CE…All of scripture is God breathed…the words of man my ass…you’re a fool…the church does not have authority over the word of God…You’ve really got issues Woody…Julie is twisting the words of Ignatius a Saturday Sabbath believing Christian and trying to make the connection between the true believer and the Catholic church and she has failed miserably…Get a life and stop bothering me with your complete idiotic and moronic remarks!!!

          • shoebat

            albeit, your correct on the Bible being God’s breathed, my question is: What church was there in 107 CE. Can you give us some historic background from historic sources? Also, I have never heard that Igantius was Sabbath observant. Do you have a historic reference to show this? Much appreciated.

          • Woody

            Face it; Julie and Walid have very high IQs–you don’t– and one is Catholic and one is Protestant but when they see the Truth–they follow the voice of their Master: “Know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free.” It is the Bible which was not in existence then; It came about when the Council of Nicea was called in 325 AD and not one Protestant showed up. Note that Jesus never “quoted from the New Testament as He did the OT (Septuagint) One of His favorites. You need to review your Bible and, even the Atheistic Hollywood people get it right–See the movie the “Son of God” and watch has the Bible unfolds and Jesus founds His Church on Cephas (Peter) in case you are too un-knowledgeable to know that; and Julie is correct once again–Iggy did rename Jesus’ Church, as history repeats itself …people, all confused because of the “then heresies” (just like you today) when Iggy pointed to Rome and the ‘bishop” –Clement at the time (the successor of Peter), and he told them wherever the “bishop” resides there is the true Church of Jesus. (prior to 107 Jesus’s Church was merely know as “the People of the Way,” and all of the Faithful knew what “the Way” meant.

            The only ones that do “the Bible Jousting” are you guys” with the false “Sola Scriptura,” [which is an oxymoron since it eliminates itself – it (SS), not even being in the Bible; like its “sister phrase,” Sola Fide) both figments of Luther’s imagination…Paul said “….listen to the Church,” not the Bible…(to Timothy)

            Brainwise, if Julie were on an athletic field with you, you would not be able to carry her athletic supporter.

            Return to school and get your GED.

            God Bless and Thank you Jesus for:

            “Know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free.”

          • http://batman-news.com albeit

            Brainwise, if Julie were on an athletic field with you, you would not be able to carry her athletic supporter.
            Athletic supporter…Jockstrap, men’s undergarment designed for use in sports
            Evidently there is a whole lot of people out there smarter than you!!! Like maybe 99.9%
            You fail to realize how paganism has crept into the Church

            1 Timothy 4:1-3 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

            2 Timothy 2:17-19 And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, 18 who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ[a] depart from iniquity

            1 Timothy 6:9-11But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition. 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

          • Woody

            Walid–the Holy Spirit is timely; this guy is a perfect example of what I said about “self-interpretation” of the Bible; here is a guy who can “read” the verses (proving only that he can read, maybe), but his Arrogance makes him think he can “interpret” Scripture, and even though he makes simple errors in grammar and spelling; so what on earth makes him think he knows what the verses mean; I don’t see his name in the Bible (Sola Scritura) which says “i am giving “albeit” my guarantee that he interprets Scripture validly.” HS

            He is just another “verse Jouster”

            And He calls Jesus a liar.[His words–not mine (“You fail to realize how paganism has crept into the Church} Thus Jesus has allowed “paganism” to infiltrate His One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church – Our Jesus who told the Apostles when He founded His Church on them: “I will be with you until the End of Days.” [Albeit may not know it but it is not the "End Of Days" yet] (now that IS a guarantee from God) Albeiit is not even guaranteed that he will be alive in the morning. He sactually believes, that Our Loving God Who knows all, would make a mistake so egregious as to allow His Church to disappear.

            Thank you HS for exposing this jouster
            (maybe he will go off and establish his own church like his buddies when they constantly differ on scripture verses)

          • shoebat

            Woody,

            It’s the words of man, but is also God’s breathed. Don’t you think?

          • Woody

            Absolutely, it s a joint effort inspired by the Holy Spirit; the mistake is that “man” interpretations are not guaranteed–and that is why St Paul said to Tim “listen to the Church…”
            You get one guy who says “Gay marriage is okay…” and the Holy Spirit inspired me., then another guy “Scripture tells us Gay marriage is forbidden (this is correct by the away) but both claim the HS approved–impossible – that is why Catholics have it the way God intended “if we get confused on a verse–we go ask the Church..”what is the Church’s meaning of this verse (I would never dare to apply my meaning over Our Churches and some CINO’s (Catholics in Name Only) like Nancy Pelousy, Joe Biden, et al. A Body (His Church) that has Jesus’ guarantee, “Whatsoever you bind on earth I will bind in Heaven; whatsoever you loose on earth I will loosed in Heaven.” Now that’ pretty clear except to the “self-interpreters” of Scripture. it’s like saying “Duh–gee, those first Christians had not beliefs since the Bible did not come in until he 4th century; what nonsense and as you found out yourself by your great research–most of how the first Christiains operated is still “searchable” to a fair minded person. at Mass each day I am certain I still see the same “Vestment” clad garments of the old Testament (Presbyters), the same “Words” over the bread and chalice as the Bread and Wine becomes Jesus very Body and Blood…hear the same bells, see the same icons…
            [note also that Nancy and Biden are forbidden by the Church to receive Our Lord's Body and Blood] as both are “public sinners” both favoring the murder of innocent babies (which is against the 10 Commandments “Thou Shalt not kill..”} by the way the same Sickrent says we do not know.
            Have u ever read ‘Aquinas” probably the smartest man who ever lived..I had some fun with my wife—I asked if she would like if I read to her some of Aquinas’ “Summa Theological,’ She said “yes. So I read her a sentence and she said “What does that mean?’ I said, “I don’t know.” Then another, her same response, my same answer (a bit exaggerated buy a lot of fun}
            Happy Easter-the Lord has RISEN!

          • sumsrent

            That’s not the question Julie… do you have a comprehension problem?

            Where did Woody get his definition of Sabbath? <<< That is the question. So stop trying to flip the conversation like the trickster you are!

            [PS... and for the record I've already addressed all this on the other article... which doesn't use the word "Catholic" in the letter! You C'lics are blind followers of lies!]

          • Julie LaBrecque

            No comprende? “What has HIS approval is pleasing to God.”
            I posted this to you because everybody and his dog has listed scripture to you about the Sabbath, and if scripture doesn’t convince you, I thought this one would set your tent on fire. Guess you didn’t “comprehend”. I’m so glad to see another nickname for me, “trickster”, do I have your permission to capitalize it?

          • Woody

            “Be not anxious about anything…” Thank you Jesus…
            or maybe Sumrent as to take a bathroom break

          • sumsrent

            Still nine hours later Woody… and you keep skirting around the question…
            Where did you get you definition of the Sabbath from?

          • shoebat

            sumsrent, I happen to jump into this discussion during my checking, is this about Saturday vs. Sunday? If so, the Didache, which you approved of being written from men of God, says that we should observe Sunday. If you would like the reference I would be glad to provide it to you.

          • sumsrent

            Observe Sunday as what? The day of worship?

            Also… I did not approve of the Didache…

            I said… “… it was probably written by godly people. The question I would ask… what god did they serve?”

            And let me add…

            As far as I know… since I haven’t researched, prayed about it or studied it… it could have been written by godly men of allah or Jupiter. I just don’t know at this time.

            You say… “In reality, there exists no book in the First to the Fifteenth Century that is written by Christians that would disagree with the Didache.”

            Which means there are books written after the 15th century that do disagree with it. Therefore something about it is questionable…

            And since this is the second time you’ve addressed me on this Sunday issue… I feel compelled to explain what I’m driving at…

            The fact stands… Sunday is not the Sabbath.

            The Sabbath is the seventh day… Saturday… not the day of worship… it is the day of rest.
            As Christians we are called to mediate upon God’s Word…

            I other words… we worship God all the time… seven days a week.

            We rest on the Sabbath from labor.

            In defending the Catholic church for making worship on Sunday… all it took was having friends that were 7th Day & attending a Seventh Day Adventist service just once.

            They insist on worshipping on Saturday… but what they don’t tell us is how their families rush and argue and fuss about getting ready for their church service. And… then after church fussing with cleaning up and cooking for entertaining guests after church service at their homes.

            That isn’t resting… that’s laborious.

            Mr 2:27… “And he said to them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath:”

          • http://batman-news.com albeit

            The Sabbath is the seventh day… Saturday… not the day of worship… it is the day of rest.
            As Christians we are called to mediate upon God’s Word…

            Mr. Shoebat…although you wish to have a perfect record and never once have you admitted any error on this sight the fact remains that there are many examples to where Jesus went to the Synagogue on Saturday…Saturday is a day of worship…and a day of rest …

          • Woody

            “sight” ?????? This guy really needs to return to grade school and learn spelling??

            Jesus is Jewish; now why would he NOT go the a Synagogue? He preached in Synagogues since He had not as yet created His One [Jesus is One; His Truth is One - not 33,000 churches like you have today] Holy [He is present in the Eucharist, Body and Blood Soul and Divinity] Catholic [Universal-found everywhere] and Apostolic [founded on the Apostles on whom He gave to Peter “the Keys [Authority] to the Kingdom of Heaven”] Church yet. Thank you, Jesus, My Savior

            Forget the crap on Saturday; Jesus gave His Church under Cephas the power to “Whatsoever you bind on earth I will bind in Heaven; whatsoever you loose on earth I will loose in Heaven.” The power of binding and loosing under Jewish law is the power to make and change religious edicts. If you knew anything about Jesus Catholic Church you would know from the Bible that the first Catholic Council was held in Jerusalem where the Church changed the law from “circumcise” -no more from formerly under Jewish law mandatory. And Peter approved the change.
            Just like the Sabbath was changed from Saturday to Sunday; and why are the Protestants so hypercritically by this since they “worship” on Sunday–just another example of “prejudice” her and Walid would notice that is all it is,too.

          • http://batman-news.com albeit

            The Catholic church has made a lot of changes all to the disapproval of the writings of the bible…Good luck with that come judgment day!!!

          • Woody

            Again you go against my Lord God and Savior as He granted full authority to make changes to our leaders, “Whatsoever you bind on earth I will bind in Heaven; whatsoever you loose upon earth I will loose in Heaven.” …hardly “disapproval of the Bible but actually supported fully by Jesus… Thank You My Savior

          • http://batman-news.com albeit

            Oh I see …So I guess that gives the Catholic church the right to pervert God’s Word however they see fit…Because since they are the one and only true church founded by Peter himself who died 400 years before it came even into existence only they have the authority to do so…Boy you must be sooooo smart!!!

          • Fr Christopher P. Kelley, DD

            The word “catholic” was coined by the scientist-philosopher Aristotle, tutor to Alexander the Great, in order to describe things he observed in nature. kata + holon = in accord with + the Whole. For instance, he found various species that he could identify as a group that make up what we today call a Genus, of Mustard plants. It helped him talk about them as a group. Since Botany may not be your strong suit, think of the variety of Oak trees you have seen. Some are live oaks, which retain their leaves all year; some are deciduous, shedding them in the fall. There were White Oaks, Black & Red Oaks, and altogether about 400 varieties. They are all part of the Genus, Quercus, from which comes the word “cork”, because a Spanish oak’s bark makes excellent corks. These oaks have something in common. It isn’t the leaves, the height, the branch structure, etc, but one thing they do share: Acorns. As Jesus said, “By their fruits ye shall know them.”
            [[But, you might object, What about Poison Oak? Ah, Aristotle would be proud of you! Poison Oak grows in the same habitat, has leaves shaped like some live oaks; but they turn bright red in the fall, & drop. And the species, Rhus diversiloba (causes Rash, you see), DOES NOT HAVE acorns. It is actually a member of the Cashew Family, not an Oak at all! It is a mimic, a counterfeit, an 'anti-oak', "a heretic". There are counterfeit churches that are poisoning their people! Heresy is cruel to its adherents!]]

            So, the word “katholiko’s” was known in the First Christian Century, even by non-Christians, as was its meaning.
            In 107, the great old Bishop of Antioch, St Ignatius, a disciple of St Peter, was arrested and sentenced to death in the arena in Rome. For much of his journey from near Syria to Italy, he was chained to four Roman soldiers. He referred to them as his “leopards” (as many wealthy Romans had the cats as pets, on chains!) (Ignatius had a sense of humor, unlike some on this website.)
            Along the way, St Ignatius wrote letters to the various churches which sent representatives to greet him, often kissing his chains, in honor of so great a living witness to the Gospel. There are seven Letters of St Ignatius that survive. ((I urge you to find & read them. What did those who were taught by the first Apostles actually believe?))
            In his letter to the Church of Smyrna (the same that got Good Marks in Revelation 2:8-11), he wrote that they should faithfully gather around their Bishop (St Polycarp, a disciple of St John), “just as where Jesus Christ is: For there is the Catholic Church.”
            This is the first instance in *surviving* Christian literature where the word is used. (We don’t know how many times it may have been *spoken* before it was first *written.*) St Ignatius is not “springing” a new word on them. It is one the Smyrna Christians *already* know and understand, it is something they WANT to be part of. It is not “Roman” in any exclusive sense, but something the Roman Christians of the day also wanted.
            The local church which is “in accord with the Whole (Church)” is what they KNEW they must be.
            As in Acts 2:42, they were bound to “be steadfast in the Apostles’ Doctrine (Teaching/ Dogma) and [the Apostles'] Fellowship, in the Breaking of Bread, and in *The* [Common, liturgical] Prayers.” [The Fellowship WITH the Apostles is a cornerstone of faithful Christian life, in what I've nicknamed St Luke's "Constitution of Christian Life." Cf I John 1:3.] — The Church at Smyrna was glad to “gather” around their saintly Bishop, in steadfast Fellowship with their own Successor to the first Apostles, truly an Apostolic Man. (martyred in ca 156, in great old age.)

            These are characteristics of the CHURCH of JESUS CHRIST, His Bride, from her very First Day, Pentecost, 33AD. (–a Sunday, by the way, as we name the weekdays in English; Kyria-ke, in Greek, Domingo, Dimanche, in Spanish & French, “The Lord’s Day”; or Voskresyeniya, in Russian, “Resurrection Day”.)

            To claim, albeit, that the Catholic Church did not exist until 400 years after St Peter is just plain, unadulterated poppycock!
            Read St Ignatius of Antioch. He is a Man of the Gospel, who was taught by the first Apostles. Perhaps then you can shed some of your uninformed biases. All to the good.
            PS.
            Do you name yourself “albeit” as a sign of being “contrarian”?

          • http://batman-news.com albeit

            Catholic means Universal church as in christianity, paganism, sun worship, moon worship, idol worship, and tidbits of all of the previous religions combined and you dare call it the one true church …LOL

          • Fr Christopher P. Kelley, DD

            You have no idea what you are talking about. The term “catholic” has the specific meaning I explained above. It came into Christian use WELL before 100AD, likely in the lifetime of the first Apostles. By 300, its use outside the Christian Church was virtually nil.
            I can tell that you do not approach things with clarity of mind, nor charity. Christians who worship the Word-made-flesh must be careful about how they use words. Words are meant to convey Meaning. If you misuse them, they cease to fulfill their function. The preaching of the Gospel is then impaired.

            If you want to apply “Catholic” to paganism, sun worship, moon worship, idol worship, or whatever, you are a perverter of language. PERIOD.

          • sumsrent

            I’m not sure if you’re confused… but those are my words… not Walid’s.

            Even though the Jewish/Hebrews went to the synagogue on Saturday… that does NOT mean it is the day of worship.

            The Sabbath is the day of rest. Period.

          • Woody

            After the fifteenth century who cares – 1517 years away from Jesus’ time is too far to know anything and it shows since your have been squirming into 33,000 churches all claiming they know what Jesus’ meant???
            Right; What Protestant was present when we held the Council at Nicea where we developed the Bible–who gave any “man” even the right to create a “church,” it is certainly not in Scripture?
            How is it that Zwingli, Luther, and Calvin all loved Mary so much that you have even now drifted from that truth?

          • Woody

            Thank the Lord “you did not approve of the Didache; that would probably make it wrong.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            sumsrent, you kinda fudged a little there! Thought no one would notice? Which are a shadow of things to come, but the REALITY BELONGS TO CHRIST.” Shame shame. Or, are you reading from the JW New Translation?

          • sumsrent

            Fudged what Julie?

            Those verses are from the Webster Bible… not what I use… my software just so happened to be on version. Probably because I was cross referencing something previously.

            I prefer the KJV… which even says…

            “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

            Even researching the Standard Version… doesn’t use the words… “Reality belongs to Christ”. I don’t see a version which has it changed like that.

            Every version I readily have uses the words… “but the body is of Christ”.
            Is your version from the Catholic? That would be your problem…

          • Woody

            Nothing wrong with verses; it’s the “interpretations” that are fudged to support pre-formed errors–just look around for one that seems to support what I think and WOW! Am I smart, even understanding what Jesus does not say.

          • sumsrent

            Then by your own words… you expose Julie as a false accuser!

          • Woody

            Julie? Julie has a 200 IQ; Press the Call button and your handlers may come?

          • Woody

            Spank him, Julie. I thought Webster was a car he drives. Is this the same as Martin Luther Webster who lives down the block form me.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            I would assert that your version is not an accurate reflection of the meaning of the writers, because “the body belongs to Christ” is quite ambiguous and vague in its presentation. Of course, Christ’s body belongs to himself. Do you see the vagueness of how your version is written? The whole point of the verse is that all those items mentioned, were shadows of their ultimate fulfillment. If your version said “the reality belongs to the body of Christ”, it would convey its intended meaning without any chance of misinterpretation. How these verses make clear that Sunday is the day of worship, is that the Sabbath was meant for “rest”, and the “Christian” rest is in what Jesus did for us, both in His death AND resurrection. Without HIS resurrection, we would have no resurrection. Our bodies being resurrected to heaven was not completed on the cross, but upon HIS resurrection. It’s not an either/or proposition, it is Both/And.
            You need to remember that the Catholic Church is the PRESENTER of the Bible, not you, not King James, not JW.

          • http://batman-news.com albeit

            Everthing you just stated is unbiblical but of what man would say!!!

          • Woody

            The Bible only takes in about 3 1/2 years of Jesus life; under your Sola fake Scriptura – it would mean Jesus did not live between ages birth – 29? Dumb!

          • Julie LaBrecque

            I’m sorry, but that is hilarious!(Sola fake Scriptura, I’m so stealing that, don’t sue me).Their sola scriptura, like their sola fide, are both fake, just a mask. None of them are ever convinced of their bad theology after loads of scripture smacking their theories down. I’ve been sooo tempted to ask them if they truly believe in sola fide, why do they even sit in a pew? They’ve got everything they need in their can of salvation called sola fide. I’m sure they’ll give some lame reason, but when you take it to it’s logical conclusion, why go to church? On the other hand, I really do know a Christian couple that does not attend any church, ever. Have they ever wondered about their funeral? I don’t get it.
            The Bible says the even the demons believe, right? I bet they don’t get their ticket to hell exchanged for one to heaven. Why not, they believe.

          • sumsrent

            He only uses the word “fake” because I use it to describe your satanically influenced Catholic fake church.
            And I won’t sue you… you can steal/use that whenever you want too…

          • Woody

            No one would copy you on anything..that is why you get banned from so many websites–poor fella you

          • sumsrent

            Wrong… you are quite the person to make up things… aye?
            I was actually warned at one time to quit replying to Trolls like you…

          • Woody

            Aye

          • Woody

            You would lose in court anyway the way you are going..
            God Bless

          • Woody

            so There…per your founders:

            SOURCE:

            Amidst all the stimulating discussion here about the Catholic doctrine of Mary’s perpetual virginity, it ocurred to me that it would be instructive to point out that both Martin Luther
            and John Calvin — the progenitors of two of the three major branches of the Protestant Reformation — both held firmly to
            this Catholic teaching. For your consideration, let me add here some pertinent quotes from these two Protestant leaders.

            I’d respectfully ask our Evangelical and Fundamentalist friends here to think carefully about these quotes and consider just how far modern-day Protestantism has drifted from its 16th-century moorings, not to mention how very far it has drifted from the fifteen centuries of the Catholic Faith that preceded the Protestant Reformation.

            Martin Luther
            (his writings)

            Luther: “Christ, our Savior, was the real and natural fruit of Mary’s virginal womb . . . This was without the cooperation of a man, and she remained a virgin after that.”

            SOURCE: {Luther’s Works, eds. Jaroslav Pelikan (vols. 1-30) & Helmut T. Lehmann (vols. 31-55), St. Louis: Concordia Pub. House (vols. 1-30); Philadelphia: Fortress Press (vols. 31-55), 1955, v.22:23 / Sermons
            on John, chaps. 1-4 (1539) }

            Luther: “Christ . . . was the only Son of Mary, and the Virgin Mary bore no children besides Him . . . I am inclined to agree with those who declare that ‘brothers’ really mean ‘cousins’ here, for Holy Writ and the Jews always call cousins brothers.”

            SOURCE: , ibid., v.22:214-15 / Sermons
            on John, chaps. 1-4 (1539) } [Luther}

            SOURCE: A new lie about me is being circulated. I am supposed to have preached and written that Mary, the mother of God, was not a virgin either before or after the birth of Christ . . .

            {Pelikan, ibid.,v.45:199 / That Jesus Christ was Born a Jew (1523) } [Luther]

            Luther: “Scripture does not say or indicate that she
            later lost her virginity . . .”

            Luther: “When Matthew [1:25] says that Joseph did not
            know Mary carnally until she had brought forth her son, it does not follow that he knew her subsequently; on the contrary, it means that he never did know her . . . This babble . . . is without justification . . . he has neither noticed
            nor paid any attention to either Scripture or the common idiom.”

            {Pelikan, ibid.,v.45:206,212-3 / That Jesus Christ was Born a Jew (1523) } [Luther]

            Editor Jaroslav Pelikan (Lutheran) adds:

            “Luther . . . does not even consider the possibility that Mary might have had other children than Jesus. This is consistent with his lifelong acceptance of the idea of the perpetual virginity of Mary.”

            {Pelikan, ibid.,v.22:214-5}

            John Calvin

            Calvin: “Helvidius displayed excessive ignorance in concluding that Mary must have had many sons, because Christ’s ‘brothers’ are sometimes mentioned.”

            SOURCE: {Harmony of Matthew, Mark & Luke, sec. 39 (Geneva, 1562), vol. 2 / From Calvin’s Commentaries, tr.
            William Pringle, Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1949, p.215; on Matthew 13:55}

            [On Matt
            1:25:] The inference he [Helvidius] drew from it was, that Mary remained a virgin no longer than till her first birth, and that afterwards she had other children by her husband . . . No just and well-grounded inference can be drawn
            from these words . . . as to what took place after the birth of Christ. He is called ‘first-born'; but it is for the sole purpose of informing us that he was born of a virgin . . . What took place afterwards the historian does not inform us . . . No man
            will obstinately keep up the argument, except from an extreme fondness for disputation.

            SOURCE: {Pringle, ibid., vol.
            I, p. 107}

            “Under the word ‘brethren’ the Hebrews include all cousins and other relations, whatever may be the degree of affinity.”

            {Pringle, ibid., vol. I, p. 283 / Commentary on John, (7:3) }

            Huldreich Zwingli

            ZWINGLI: “He turns, in September 1522, to a lyrical
            defense of the perpetual virginity of the mother of Christ . . . “To deny that Mary remained ‘inviolata’ before, during and after the birth of her Son, was to doubt the omnipotence of God . . . and it was right and profitable to repeat the angelic greeting – not prayer – ‘Hail Mary’ . . . “God esteemed Mary above all creatures, including the saints and angels – it was her purity, innocence and invincible faith that mankind must follow.”

            ‘Fidei expositio,’ the last pamphlet from his pen . . .There is a special insistence upon the perpetual virginity of Mary.

            ZWINGLI: SOURCE: {G. R. Potter, Zwingli, London:
            Cambridge Univ. Press, 1976, pp.88-9,395 / The
            Perpetual Virginity of Mary . . .,Sep. 17, 1522}

            Zwingli had printed in 1524 a sermon on ‘Mary, ever virgin, mother of God.’

            {Thurian, ibid., p.76}

            ZWINGLI: “I have never thought, still less taught, or
            declared publicly, anything concerning the subject of the ever Virgin Mary, Mother of our salvation, which could be considered dishonourable, impious, unworthy or evil . . . I believe with all my heart according to the word of
            holy gospel that this pure virgin bore for us the Son of God and that she remained, in the birth and after it, a pure and unsullied virgin, for eternity.”

            {Thurian, ibid., p.76 / same sermon}

            Heinrich Bullinger

            SOURCE: “Bullinger (d. 1575) . . . defends Mary’s
            perpetual virginity . . . and inveighs against the false Christians who defraud her of her rightful praise: ‘In Mary everything is extraordinary and all the more glorious
            as it has sprung from pure faith and burning love of God.’ She is ‘the most unique and the noblest member’ of the Christian community . . .

            Bullinger: ‘The Virgin Mary . . . completely sanctified
            by the grace and blood of her only Son and abundantly endowed by the gift of the Holy Spirit and preferred to all . . . now lives happily with Christ in heaven and is called and remains ever-Virgin and Mother of God.’

            SOURCE: {In Hilda Graef, Mary: A History of Doctrine and Devotion, combined ed. of vols. 1 & 2, London: Sheed & Ward, 1965, vol.2, pp.14-5}

            John Wesley (Founder of Methodism)

            “I believe… he [Jesus Christ] was born of the blessed Virgin, who, as well after as she brought him forth, continued a pure and unspotted virgin.”

            SOURCE: {“Letter to a Roman Catholic,” quoted in A. C. Coulter, John Wesley, New York: Oxford University Press, 1964, 495}

          • sumsrent

            “perpetual virginity”
            A common shared belief between the satanically influenced catholic church and satanic Islam with it’s perpetual virgin awarded to martyr’s of satanic Islam.
            Who here can see all the correlations between satanic Islam and the catholic church who claims they worship the same fake god?

          • Woody

            I didn’t know Luther, Zwingli, Wesley, and Calvin were Cat’lc?

            SOURCE: Looks like SecRent drifted from the Truth not these Protestant Founders; Voila–they are in consonance with those “damned Cat’lic’s

            Amidst all the stimulating discussion here about the Catholic doctrine of Mary’s perpetual virginity, it
            ocurred to me that it would be instructive to point out that both Martin Luther and John Calvin — the progenitors of two of the three major branches of the Protestant Reformation — both held firmly to this Catholic teaching.
            For your consideration, let me add here some pertinent quotes from these two Protestant leaders.

            I’d respectfully ask our Evangelical and Fundamentalist friends here to think carefully about these quotes and consider just how far modern-day Protestantism has drifted from its 16th-century moorings, not to mention how very far it has drifted from the fifteen centuries of the Catholic Faith that preceded the Protestant Reformation.

            Martin Luther
            (his writings)

            Luther: “Christ, our Savior, was the real and natural
            fruit of Mary’s virginal womb . . . This was without the cooperation of a man, and she remained a virgin after that.”

            SOURCE: {Luther’s
            Works, eds. Jaroslav Pelikan (vols. 1-30) & Helmut T. Lehmann (vols.31-55), St. Louis: Concordia Pub. House (vols. 1-30); Philadelphia: Fortress Press (vols. 31-55), 1955, v.22:23 / Sermons on John, chaps. 1-4 (1539) }

            Luther: “Christ
            . . . was the only Son of Mary, and the Virgin Mary bore no children besides Him . . . I am inclined to agree with those who declare that ‘brothers’ really mean ‘cousins’ here, for Holy Writ and the Jews always call cousins brothers.”

            SOURCE: , ibid., v.22:214-15 / Sermons
            on John, chaps. 1-4 (1539) } [Luther}

            SOURCE: A new lie about me is being circulated. I am supposed to have preached and written that Mary, the mother of God, was not a virgin either before or after the birth of Christ . . .

            {Pelikan, ibid.,v.45:199 / That Jesus Christ was Born a Jew (1523) } [Luther]

            Luther: “Scripture does not say or indicate that she
            later lost her virginity . . .”

            Luther: “When Matthew [1:25] says that Joseph did not
            know Mary carnally until she had brought forth her son, it does not follow that he knew her subsequently; on the contrary, it means that he never did know her . . . This babble . . . is without justification . . . he has neither noticed
            nor paid any attention to either Scripture or the common idiom.”

            {Pelikan, ibid.,v.45:206,212-3 / That Jesus Christ was Born a Jew (1523) } [Luther]

            Editor Jaroslav Pelikan (Lutheran) adds:

            “Luther . . . does not even consider the possibility that
            Mary might have had other children than Jesus. This is consistent with his lifelong acceptance of the idea of the perpetual virginity of Mary.”

            {Pelikan, ibid.,v.22:214-5}

            John Calvin

            Calvin: “Helvidius displayed excessive ignorance in
            concluding that Mary must have had many sons, because Christ’s ‘brothers’ are sometimes mentioned.”

            SOURCE: {Harmony of Matthew, Mark & Luke, sec. 39 (Geneva, 1562), vol. 2 / From Calvin’s Commentaries, tr.
            William Pringle, Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1949, p.215; on Matthew 13:55}

            [On Matt 1:25:] The inference he [Helvidius] drew from it was, that Mary remained a virgin no longer than till her first birth, and that afterwards she had other children by her husband . . . No just and well-grounded inference can be drawn from these words . . . as to what took place after the birth of Christ. He is called ‘first-born'; but it is for the sole purpose of informing us that he was born of a virgin . . . What took place afterwards the historian does not inform
            us . . . No man will obstinately keep up the argument, except from an extreme fondness for disputation.

            SOURCE: {Pringle, ibid., vol.
            I, p. 107}

            “Under the word ‘brethren’ the Hebrews include all cousins and other relations, whatever may be the degree of affinity.”

            {Pringle, ibid., vol. I, p. 283 / Commentary
            on John, (7:3) }

            Huldreich Zwingli

            ZWINGLI: “He turns, in September 1522, to a lyrical
            defense of the perpetual virginity of the mother of Christ . . . “To deny that Mary remained ‘inviolata’ before, during and after the birth of her Son, was to doubt the omnipotence of God . . . and it was right and profitable to repeat the angelic greeting – not prayer – ‘Hail Mary’ . . . “God esteemed Mary above all creatures, including
            the saints and angels – it was her purity, innocence and invincible faith that
            mankind must follow.”

            ‘Fidei expositio,’ the last pamphlet from his pen . . .
            There is a special insistence upon the perpetual virginity of Mary.

            ZWINGLI: SOURCE: {G. R. Potter, Zwingli, London:
            Cambridge Univ. Press, 1976, pp.88-9,395 / The
            Perpetual Virginity of Mary . . .,
            Sep. 17, 1522}

            Zwingli
            had printed in 1524 a sermon on ‘Mary, ever virgin, mother of God.’

            {Thurian, ibid., p.76}

            ZWINGLI: “I have never thought, still less taught, or
            declared publicly, anything concerning the subject of the ever Virgin Mary,
            Mother of our salvation, which could be considered dishonourable, impious,
            unworthy or evil . . . I believe with all my heart according to the word of
            holy gospel that this pure virgin bore for us the Son of God and that she
            remained, in the birth and after it, a pure and unsullied virgin, for eternity.”

            {Thurian, ibid., p.76 / same sermon}

            Heinrich Bullinger

            SOURCE: “Bullinger (d. 1575) . . . defends Mary’s
            perpetual virginity . . . and inveighs against the false Christians who defraud her of her rightful praise: ‘In Mary everything is extraordinary and all the more glorious
            as it has sprung from pure faith and burning love of God.’ She is ‘the most unique and the noblest member’ of the Christian community . . .

            Bullinger: ‘The Virgin Mary . . . completely sanctified
            by the grace and blood of her only Son and abundantly endowed by the gift of the Holy Spirit and preferred to all . . . now lives happily with Christ in heaven and is called and remains ever-Virgin and Mother of God.’

            SOURCE: {In Hilda Graef, Mary: A History of Doctrine and Devotion, combined ed. of vols. 1 & 2, London: Sheed & Ward, 1965, vol.2, pp.14-5}

            John Wesley (Founder of Methodism)

            “I believe… he [Jesus Christ] was born of the blessed Virgin, who, as well after as she brought him forth, continued a pure and unspotted virgin.”

            SOURCE: {“Letter to a Roman Catholic,”
            quoted in A. C. Coulter, John
            Wesley, New York: Oxford University Press, 1964, 495}

          • Woody

            Yes, their logic escapes me–they believe a man (Martin Luther, et al) over Jesus (God) who gave no permission for any man to even found a church based on His teachings–I certainly don’t see it in Scripture; “No thanks, fellas, Jesus says, I think I can manage on my own to establish my own Church–so butt out!”
            Well, they did it anyway and are heading for 50,000 all thinking they are the church of Christ…

            Martin Luther tried to take “James” out of the Bible because it contradicts his theories.

            Every once and a while I hear something which I hear and think it is “profound,” and usually just short, terse statements 2 lately):
            — “the only reason we built churches in the first place as “brick and mortar” buildings is that they are the only place one can receive the Body & Blood of Christ; after all, one can “pray” at home (no need to go to church) and one can “sing” at home (no need to go to church) Now that is a very deep series of thoughts
            — “an eternity is a long time to be wrong…”
            So true–compliments of my lady friends
            You got any Charismatics down there in Oakie country?

          • sumsrent

            You say… “Martin Luther tried to take “James” out of the Bible because it contradicts his theories.”
            Source please…

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Google it. He also wanted to remove Hebrews, Jude, and Revelations! He did add the pesky little word “alone” to Romans 3:28 in his German translation of the Bible. Naughty little boy, he finally took “alone” out in later translations, but the damage was and IS still done, as most people believe in Faith Alone. It’s all on Luther’s head.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Not to mention the other 7 books, leaving most protestants with a Bible with 66 books instead of the nice number of 73 books. Think about it.

          • Woody

            THIS GIVES ME A LAUGH AND WHY WALID WANTS “SOURCES” AS THE REVEAL THE TRUTH..BUT POOR SUMRENT IS BEING “BLASTED” SINCE MOST OF THIS POSTS SHOW FROM “SOURCE” THAT HE IS WRONG…”
            MY PREDICTION–HE WILL NOT BEING ASKING FOR “SOURCE” FOR VERY LONG

            Source: (or the way you say it–souce):

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            Why did Martin Luther want to take James out of the Bible?

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            Anonymous answered 4 years ago

            Because James disproves the idea of salvation by faith alone.

            Source:

            James 2:24

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            Artorius answered 4 years ago

            Because James promotes the virtues of “good works” which is what Luther objected to. Luther believed that salvation comes through faith alone & not good works.

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            delsydebothom answered 4 years ago

            Because Martin Luther and the Apostle James were not in theological agreement. Pax!

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            Just a guy answered 4 years ago

            Is there a such thing as faith without works?

            A faithful person can’t live without making a “work” of some kind here and there. the two go hand in hand…

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            Pat, or that Jesus guy answered 4 years ago

            He probably didn’t like this part: Faith without works is dead (James 2).

            [WOODY COMMENT: THIS IS THE BEST ANSWER AND IT ALSO SHOWS SUMRANT WHY HIS THINKING HE CAN "INTERPRET" SCRIPTURE IS WRONG, TOO...IF HE FOLLOWED ST PAUL--HE WOULD LISTEN TO "THE CHURCH..."]

            All you phony Christians probably don’t like this either:

            [God] who “will render to each one according to his DEEDS”, eternal life to those who by patient continuance in DOING GOOD (being upright, honorable) seek for glory, honor, and immortality; but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness — indignation and wrath, tribulation (affliction, trouble) and anguish (distress, dire calamity), on every soul of man who does
            evil… but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who WORKS what is good… For there is no partiality (no respect of persons) with God (meaning it doesn’t matter who you are). For as many as have sinned without law (without the knowledge of law, to live ignorant of law and discipline) will also perish (to be given over to eternal misery in hell) without law… – Romans 2:6-12.

          • sumsrent

            You say… “they believe a man (Martin Luther, et al) over Jesus (God) who gave no permission for any man to even found a church based on His teachings”
            Source please…

          • Woody

            Yes, the Bible–find me Luther’s name in your “Sola Scriptura,”

          • sumsrent

            You say… “50,000 all thinking they are the church of Christ…”
            Source please…

          • Woody

            Souce? Now you got it me-bucko. Aye

            You need to not truncate remarks…I said “heading” for 50,000 as i have been saying 33,750 on this site with the growth of 5 per week; The source:

            David Barrett, et al, does indeed refer to “over 33,000 distinct denominations in 238 countries…” (Table 1-5, vol 1, page 16). This refers to his unique definition of a “Christian denomination” but does not include small ones (congregations of a couple hundred or less), which would dramatically increase this number beyond all imagination…

            Therefore, I believe 33,000 is a tragically conservative number of Protestant denominations IN THIS COUNTRY (U.S.) let alone in the world.

            Anti-Catholic Evangelical apologist Eric Svendsen is quoting from an earlier edition of the same encyclopedic source. Unfortunately, if you’ve read Dave Armstrong’s article on the subject, you know that Eric Svendsen’s polemics fall flat upon its face (as usual). The beauty is, Svendsen still has not faced up to the fact that there is ONE Catholic Church listed for every country Barrett lists. Nor has he addressed the fact that all those “denominations” that use a 66-book Protestant Bible, and uphold the pillars of Protestantism (sola scriptura and sola fide) are PROTESTANT even if they claim otherwise. Calling themselves “non-denominational” may be a clever marketing technique, but the world (including Protestant authors) knows them as Protestants.

            God bless,

            Either way, Christ is One and does not need any help establishing His Church which He did and He is the only One Who has any authority to establish His Church…

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Luther also wanted Hebrews, Revelations, and, I think, Jude all out of the bible. He didn’t like James because it blew his “Sola Fake Fide” out of the water! He didn’t like Revelations, because, in his words, it should have “revealed something”, and Hebrews, can’t remember why. I just used the “throw Jimmy in the river ( I heard some say throw Jimmy in the stove), to refute one of our Catholic bashers that informed me we just have to have faith, and that I’m doomed to hell if I try to have works, I show him judgment day according to Jesus which smacks down his theory of who is saved and who isn’t. The biggest irony I see as regards modern day “believers”, they believe that Luther ‘set them free’, he is their hero, but aside from SFS, and SFF, they don’t agree with anything else he believed!! What hypocrisy! But, that’s the whole problem, they all take a piece here, and a piece there, sew it together and think they’ve made something that existed long ago! The historical Church never existed as some patch-work quilt made up of unlike material, each square added on as each new man’s interpretations came to light. The blanket was whole to being with, they had to define already held and practiced beliefs when those beliefs were challenged, so on and so on. And, here we are. I’ve heard evangelicals make the claim that they are “the remnant”. How does a belief system with no historical proof to substantiate their claim, make the claim to be the remnant?

          • Woody

            One problem here is that these “posters” have not had any Classical training in logic or Metaphysics, Nicomachean Ethics,
            so I see frequently, that they start with a preconceived error and then follow it through to its targeted erroneous assumption. A principle of Aristotle and Aquinas is that when one begins with a false posit-he or she will end with a false conclusion. Aye

          • sumsrent

            You say… “One problem here is that these “posters” have not had any Classical training in logic or Metaphysics, Nicomachean Ethics…”
            I’m curious… when did these become necessary to understand the Holy Bible?
            The fact is… it never has been. Otherwise… all the history of your satanically influenced Catholic fake church is totally based on assumptions and false conclusions!
            Oh… wait… they are…. aren’t they?

          • Julie LaBrecque

            FYI- Aquinas’ writings are works so far above the other sages of his day that they are still used to defeat the theory of “Atheists”, and to refute other heresies. Try reading his stuff before condemning that they have a place today. Maybe your Bible omits the verse that tells us that “The Church is the pillar and ground of truth.” Doesn’t quite fit with Sola Fake Scriptura. It’s not either the Bible or the Church, ITS BOTH. If no present day thinker can’t see the chaos that has ensued since Sola Fake Scriptura, then they don’t have eyes to see. There are 38,000 denominations, all with differing beliefs, hard for anybody to say that fits the ideal “ONE FAITH” that Jesus prayed for.

          • Woody

            Julie, Julie you are right on–this is the exact St Paul verse in which he says this to Timothy, “The Church is the pillar and ground of truth.” Protestants think the Bible “is the pillar and ground of truth,” thus Paul has proved them wrong once again.

            And–this is exactly in their book “Rome Sweet Home” Scott Hahn pitched this same quote to Elizabeth Hahn when he was trying to have her see the Truth, and when he asked her, “what is the pillar and ground of truth…” like a good Protester she immediately responded “…why the bible of course..” so he opened her Bible and showed her the verse which does say “the Church…” She was dumbfounded and said later, ..one of the things that finally brought her into the true Church of Jesus.

            “Yes, “that all may be One…” Thank you Jesus for Truth…and this is what Walid meant when he discussed “do Protestants follow Luther…they do …but again this does not follow Jesus…”
            Also, yet they throw Luther, Zwingli, and Calvin who had such a great love for my mom, Mary…under the bus (like BO does in politics) Again–they are so mixed up…but I feel sorry for them. Imagine going through life without receiving the greatest miracle in the world today–the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ? So much that I receive Him every day…
            God Bless

          • Woody

            Station 2

            We adore Thee O Christ and we bless Thee Because
            by Thy Holy Cross Thou hast redeemed the world

            Christ speaks

            This Cross, this chunk of tree,
            is what My Father chose for me.

            The crosses you must bear are
            largely products of your daily life.

            And yet My Father chose them, too
            for you.

            Receive them from His hands.

            Take heart, My other self, I will
            let your burdens grow one

            Ounce too heavy for your
            strength.

            I Reply

            My Jesus, Lord, I take my daily
            cross, I welcome the monotony

            That often marks my day,
            discomforts of all kinds,

            The summer’s heat, the winter’s
            cold,

            My disappointments, tensions,
            sertbacks, cares.

            Remind me often that in carrying
            my cross

            I carry yours with you,

            And thought I bear a sliver only
            of Your Cross,

            You carry all of mine, except a
            sliver, in return

          • Woody

            If you understand what the Bible says – the only thing is it doesn’t “say” anything–it is a book that sits on a table or stand or whatever i.e., books can’t talk or you may not have noticed that; while the Bible may be truthful, it is obvious that “your interpretations are subject to your own mal-interpretations, or how you feel when you get up in the morning, maybe sick to your stomach, farted a little too much, etc. And that is why you have 33,000+ churches all claiming to know what Jesus said. Truth is ONE as Jesus is ONE and His ONE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH is ONE, UNIVERSAL AND APOSTOLIC. Brains are necessary in understanding the Bible; but even Sola Scriptura is NOT in he Bible, and St. Paul said to Timothy “to LISTEN to the “CHURCH” NOT the Bible…which did not even come in until 325 AD thus by your reasoning the Poor Christians (all Catholics I might add) “knew nothing” since they had NOT the Bible–how ignorant is that, and to BOOT, few homes even had a Bible until Gutenberg (1448) (Luther came along shortly thereafter) with his printing press; Bibles were available only in Monasteries (all Catholic I might add) or in rich persons homes. Understanding the Bible might seem easy, but most of the posts on here show it is not…like Protestants…”we have gay marriage in our church…the bible does not forbid it…we don’t have gay marriage in our church-the Bible does forbid it…” yatta yatta, or as one Protestant lady put it on the radio the other day “I am disgusted…my church Evangelical wants me to believe I must take Genesis, Literally….then I go across the street to another protestant Church…and they want me not to take John 6 literally when it is obvious that the crowd who heard Jesus DID take Him “literally” BECAUSE — they WALKED away…only Peter the Prince of the Apostles accepted Jesus literally when Jesus asked — You gonna scram, too?” But Peter said “Lord, to whom shall we go. So yes I would apply for some brains if I were you. But as I mentioned earlier the real answer is given by St. Paul, give him a round of applause:

            “St. Paul said to Timothy “to LISTEN to the “CHURCH” NOT the Bible…”

            God Bless – I hate these short posts

          • Julie LaBrecque

            What do they do with Matthew 18:15-17?? I mean really, how does not this verse blow their “many churches” theory out of the water? I am supposed to tell my brother when he’s sinned against me, if he won’t listen to me, go get 2 or 3 witnesses, if he refuses to listen to them, then “tell it THE CHURCH’. How can the verse be applied when we have 38,000 denominations? If a Baptist has an issue with a Methodist, which ‘Church’ settles it? It’s so obvious that Jesus expected one church from this verse, besides others.
            Most don’t even adhere to forgiving each other because their theology says Jesus did it all on the cross and there Is nothing we can do, just “believe”. I know several of my Christian friends that will NOT RECITE, & absolutely reject The Lord’s Prayer! They claim that it was for the ‘gap’ time in between Israel & the Church! I just want to cringe, every day, a new theory evolves. They disregard The Lord’s Prayer because it doesn’t fit in that can of salvation they call faith alone. Jesus explicitly declares that we are forgiven as we forgive.

          • Woody

            That’sa for sure, mon petit fleur…and I did hear from little Evangelical girl friend tonight–as busy as she is she is teaching catechism – oh, I think she said, Sunday school…not sure if this is same as “catechism” because like you say with 38,000 churches teaching different things, maybe they cannot nail anything down for sure? I’m just glad I am in Jesus Church with 1.2 billion members all believing the same thing.
            I’m looking down on your post about Aquinas and 20 years ago (it was my favorite a silent retreat); [other than the Charismatic I now attend} – well, I met a Jewish woman in the library during break and she said, “Go ‘head and ask me?”
            I said, “Ask me why me, a Jewish woman is here?” I said, “It’s none of my business. How would I even know you are Jewish?” She went on, “Knock it off. Because of my big nose.” “Okay I will ask – why are you on a Catholic Retreat?” She said, “I picked up accidentally this book by St Thomas Aquinas, and – I have a 200 IQ, and you know–I did not understand anything he was talking about.So I reasoned, any Church who has a guy this smart, has to be in the true Church. So i converted.” Great gal.
            God Bless

          • Julie LaBrecque

            I’ve heard one theory as to why most Jews are so smart is because their ancestors memorized the OT, could hear 3 words and know what verse in what OT book was spoken of, and could finish the verse. For instance, as soon as Jesus uttered “I will give you the keys of the kingdom”, any knowledgeable Jew would know that Jesus was quoting Isaiah 22:22, and His words on the Cross, “Why have you forsaken me”, they knew it was Psalm 22. The story about why the lady converted is awesome.

          • Woody

            Isn’t it funny that all they do is post Bible verses, like everyone doesn’t have a bible or something? They quote on and on making up the interpretations as they go along, sometimes making errors in English or grammar which we all do but then they think when they post a “Bible” passage they know what it means? How arrogant! Again not logical (see Aristotle). Even simple things escapes them-e.g., they say the Bible is ALL; yet they miss 6 books from the OT (which Luther’s Printer lost), and it is so easy to find the TRUTH–you just go to the BIBLE Jesus quoted from the — Septuagint, and (catch this for our math major) COUNT the books–72 in all; however they would rather argue for centuries about the loss of 6 books and they go on without it–Now Jesus, being God, certainly knew the right Bible–
            [thus prejudice raises its ugly head once more] and I know this irks Walid so much (he has seen so much of it] These 6 books are important, too; one major area on Purgatory which they can never manage to find; they expect Jesus is going to let them into Heaven after denigrating His Mom for their whole lifetime. Yah-right! Aye
            God Bless, pretty one

          • Julie LaBrecque

            One of the “refuters’ main thrust against is Catholics, is that Simon was not renamed “rock”. They claim it was Simon’s “confession” that is the “rock”. According to Jesus, God in heaven revealed this “confession” to him! Simon did not come to it on his own! Seconding, Jesus prophesied Simon’s name change in John 1:42 the first time he met him. Secondly, Jesus calls him Peter post-resurrection! Why do the NT writers call him Peter? Aren’t they inspired by the Holy Spirit? Many verses say “Peter and the rest’, “Peter and the 11″, etc. Even with the preponderance of biblical texts, they refuse this name change. Abram was renamed “Abraham”, which means “FATHER (the word they say Jesus forbid anybody to use!) OF NATIONS!! God changed his name before he had a son or a nation!! I think Peter’s name is mentioned 191 times in NT, is always listed 1st except in one place where James comes first. John outran Peter to the empty tomb, but he stops, waits till Peter gets there, Peter goes in first. Peter walks on water, people fall dead at Peter’s feet, Jesus gets into Peter’s Boat, Jesus predicts the manner of Peter’s death. So much for Sola Scripture, it ought to be called ” Sola Scriptura Except” because they omit verses they don’t like.

          • shoebat

            The thing about Peter is that no one Rocks like him. He was definitely well-connected and in my neck of the woods, being well-connected is the key to the Kingdom.

          • Woody

            Yah, he certainly was a cool dude. Stumbling about and many times being corrected by the Lord, pitched Him away with the “cock-crow,”-I often pray “Lord, make me a Peter,not a Judas.”
            And like God Peter would be the last guy one would assume to lead His Church but he made up for it in the end.
            My wife said, “Since you made that Retreat with the Charismatics a month ago, you are crying at everything; the other night I met my wife in the supermarket and her friend (talked about her nephew who had been in jail) – she said to my Snugglebunny , “Why is he crying?” She said, “oh he cries at everything now.”
            The lady at the Retreat said, “Oh, when you are around the Holy Spirit it is HE, and what you are experiencing are called “Tears of the Spirit.” Praise God, and one the little guy–Aye.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Amen to that. What is amazing is to look at pictures of the place Jesus declared the words to Simon, Caesarea Philippi (formerly Paneas, now Banias because the Arabic doesn’t have P) how it would have appeared during Jesus’ time. Near the massive ‘rock” there, was a pagan “church” built by ‘King” Herod to Caesar Augustus( who was “Lord”), there were niches in the rock for all the “Gods”, one was of Pan, the God of sheep and shepherds. In the left of the rock is a cave called the “gates of the hell” that the pagans threw their living sacrifices into, and water flowed from that cave and still feeds the Jordan River. Jesus took his disciples far from Jerusalem into gentile territory so that they had a marvelous backdrop to correspond to his words.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Just curious, do you know when the Arabic language came into existence?

          • Woody

            Yes, and there are many ways to prove Peter’s Primacy and I learn a new way each day (The following is so true, and why familiarity with Logic is so critical:) [a lot smarter than I am developed this study by really knowing Scripture–Walid, being an Engineer has this kind of mind)

            Detractors of the primacy of Peter have arguments that are so weak, they are almost non-existent. I could discuss each of these points, but in this section of this letter I will discuss
            only one point, which makes all other arguments against the primacy of Peter moot.

            The Law of First Mention…

            When something is first mentioned in the Bible, the meaning of it remains the same throughout the rest of the Bible.

            When GOD gave authority to someone in Scripture, HE changed the name of that person. (I did know this)

            1. GOD renamed Abram to Abraham when He made him the ‘Father of a Multitude of Nations’, in Gen 17:5. HE gave Abraham ‘primacy’ over all other men.

            2. GOD renamed Sara to Sarah when HE made her the ‘Mother of Nations’ in Gen 17:15-16. HE gave Sarah
            ‘primacy’ over all other women.

            3. GOD renamed Jacob to Israel, the name of the Jewish Nation, and Jacob became the first Israeli in Gen 32:29, 35:10.

            4. GOD renamed Simon to Peter in Matt 16:18, thus giving him ‘primacy’ over all of the Apostles. Why else would GOD give a new name to Simon?

            5. Good job, but I even thought of one he does not mention. He renamed Saul to Paul, thus making him “Apostle of the Gentiles.”

            The ‘Law of First Mention’ as applied to Abraham, Sarah, and Israel, works very well indeed. Why then do some believe it does not work for Simon-Peter?

            What a valid point! I wonder who this dude is?

          • sumsrent

            The respect of Peter has NOTHING to do with Sola Scripture!
            Maybe you should look up what Sola Scripture means instead of following the satanically influenced Catholic fake church and it’s twisted interpretations of Holy Scriptures and how to be good Catholics.
            Tell me… have you done enough “good works” today to maintain your Salvation? How do you know? Did the Catholic church register 10 as the defining number? What if you only got to eight today? Will you not rest until you accomplish all your god works?
            Are you absolutely certain? Without a doubt? Do you know you have pleased God enough today? And if you died tonight… are you sure you did enough good works that will get you into Heaven?
            ARE YOU SURE!?
            THEN… why is it that satanic worshipping muslims and you Catholics share the same beliefs of having to earn your Salvation?
            Why?
            I’ll tell ya… The difference between satanic Islam and the satanically influenced Catholic fake church is….
            Now wait for it….
            Here it comes….
            NOTHING!

            PS… care to list all your good works for today?

            Care to let me in on the secret of knowing which good works supersede others? That way we can share it with all the Christians in the world so they can all get the Fast PASS to heaven… aye?

          • Woody

            Press your Call Button and the handlers will give you much charitable actions you can do for those in the other beds.

            I know Jesus is pleased with me today, because when I woke up this morning, I said, “Jesus, like always, walk with me today,’ and as a special favor “Be my accountant today and assist me with my IRS audit.” Voila! He has found over $10,000+ in expenses I overlooked.” Thank you, Jesus.

            What happened to “Source” please; I did have a prophecy that you would soon drop that since every time a poster comes back with the source–you lose.
            God Bless

          • Julie LaBrecque

            A true believer, someone who is a branch of the true vine, will bear fruit. It is nothing forced, as you tend to imply. If your heart doesn’t compel you to help the poor and the struggling amongst us, I don’t know who your Lord is. “I give you a new commandment: Love one another as I have loved you.”

          • Woody

            Strange guy…quotes the Bible all day and then makes fun of an Apostle–James?
            If I died tonight I would get Extreme Unction – would you?
            My dying neighbor had it for her expected death 6 months ago and I told her EU has a healing function sometime. She looks better than ever-took her to Church for Easter. (Love those 7 Sacraments!)

          • Woody

            Boy, you and Walid should be co-popes with my small struggling mind…and Walid hit it right on with the Maccabees – and it is such a neat and comfortable chapter to read, I think this is where my favorite Archangel tries to fix that guy up with a hot date…no?Or am I mixing it up with one of the other of the 6 Luther lost?

          • sumsrent

            You and Julie have a real hatred for those who don’t include your other writings…

            So… maybe you can direct that nasty, stinking finger back at yourselves since y’all are missing books which the Ethiopian Orthodox Church has!

            UGH… you Catholics are SOOOOOOOOOO pompous and pious! just like satanic worshipping muslims!!!!!!!!

          • Woody

            If Julie and I “hated” our Protestant brothers you probably think the same of St. Paul who never hesitated to set them straight (Corinthians) [slow learners) and I would not be putting you in my Daily Mass especially during the time of the Transubstantiation …that time when Jesus is Most Present, and I did tell him to help you anyway since you spurned any prayers for you. You need to print out all of your posts, see the vile language, and then compare your posts with Jesus, “Love your Brother as yourself. God Bless, little fudgy

          • Julie LaBrecque

            So, we are wrong because we have 7 books that the protestants took out, and we are wrong because we are missing books that the Ethiopian Orthodox has. Could you provide the Church council that declared these EOC books were canonized? Also tell me any “other books” you deem should be in, and which ones out. When you’ve sent me the list, I will have my Bishop forward it on to Rome and see if they’ll approve your list at the next council.

          • Woody

            Great! I have never been to Ethiopia; perhaps SekRent can go there and bring the books back so we can read them and see if they have any chance for approval by Jesus’ Church? Aye
            (Hey, I am becoming a Pirate, too–annoying isn’t it?) My only guess on why Nicea did no include the Didache is that it is so close to the Bible it would be “duplicative.” and that would make the Bible tedious to read. I love the Psalms, don’t you?

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Absolutely love the Psalms. Am so glad I belong to a church that reads one of them every mass. They, like all the OT, are still important! Funny about you “pirates”- that’s the mascot of my HS. NIcea-since at that time all the things in the Didache were being practiced, probably thought it would be redundant to canonize it.

          • Woody

            Your Holy Spirit has a mascot? Gee I wish my HS had a mascot; do you think he will appreciate it? Reminds me; Before Elizabeth Hahn converted she snuck in to Mass to see what “those damned Cat’lic’s service was like; so she took to the back room and watched, being totally amazed at the amount of Scripture that is read at Mass; like other Prots she thought from thousands of years in a denominational church, and being taught that “they don’t read Scripture–what we don’t do is “bible-joust” with one another (the my verse is better than your verse crowd) for, as St Paul pointed out “…listen to the Church.”
            And we do.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            High School! Sorry. Do you know how to prove that Catholics aren’t Christian? Watch them when to they enter church, they don’t carry a Bible! (sounds like the first 15+ century church people, they didn’t have a bible for 3+ centuries, then monks made copies so each Church might have one, and most people in the first 1,000 were illiterate anyway.)Let’s not get our facts confused! We are so spoiled here, we don’t know how good we have it. I lived in Panama for 3 years- the people would walk one hour from their homes (shacks) up in the hills and jungles through downpours of rain just to get to Mass on Sunday. How many of us would?

          • Julie LaBrecque

            I think from your post, that you are referring to Tobit and the angel being Raphael which means “God heals”.

          • Woody

            Yah, that’s it; Tobit and Raphael – but is that from the Maccabees? I love Raphael , and pray to Him every day to keep me out of jams–but my wife, SnuggleBunny asked me not to have him fix me up that cool Protestant chick I like?
            SB gets her way and keeps me in line. Isn’t that a neat story to read? I just found out he is also the Patron Saint of travelers also I guess because of this trip here. I dropped St Christopher because I felt he was on overload.
            I need to keep you around…

          • Julie LaBrecque

            No, its from the Book of Tobit. Raphael meets up with Tobias, son of Tobit, and urges him to marry Sarah, the woman whose 7 husbands died because the demon killed them before the marriage was consummated. Tobias later returns home and cures his father’s blindness with fish gall.

          • Woody

            Julie, you are so smart; I haven’t read it for a couple of years and still love it; I met a Prot lady he other day and complimented her on her name-Rachel; and she replied, “my sister are Sarah, and Mary, and my brothers are Daniel, and David. Wow! What a Ma.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            To me, I see an allegorical story of the restoration of Israel, Tobit’s “blindness” is finally cured. Tobit’s song of praise says a lot.

          • shoebat

            The Septuagint being the Bible Christ used is a no-brainer the moment I read the extra books. The arguments they have against the Duetrocanonical are the same arguments of liberals against the whole of Scripture. As far as Purgatory goes, no one can be in heaven (even if they are “saved”) without first getting a shower. I recall when I was in the YMCA in Jerusalem, we all needed to take a shower before we jumped in the pool. Call it Purgatory, shower, holding place … God can have as many compartments as He wants. But one thing for sure, without Maccabees, how could any Jew understand Antiochus and Hannukah? Why do we fight over the issues of heaven or pre-heaven beats the heck out of me.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            I don’t know all the metaphysics, and I have no clue what “nicomachaen ethics” is, unless it has to do with Manichee (sp?), anyway, I have read Aquinas’ BRILLIANT works and how he springboards from Aristotle, but I don’t mind saying that a lot of it is over my head. I do understand the first cause principle, and the “accidents” stuff, but, I’ll say that Aquinas was/is way ahead of any current day thinker.

          • Woody

            You have it naturally … Google the “Square of Opposition,” you are right Aristotle is probably in the top 3 of the smartest persons who ever lived; too bad they don’t teach him in school anymore; even sumarent below it escapes him since he does not understand what the Lord means by the gift or charism if you want to call it — that of “wisdom,” and that is why his posts meander so much–he looks almost like a cartoon. don’t you thunk? Or are my eyes deceiving me?

          • http://batman-news.com albeit

            You and the Catholic church are soooooo clueless Jesus lived 14,700 (12) hour days…The proof is in the blble!!! Wipe off the dust and open it!!!

          • sumsrent

            Well… I’m not a C’lic… and I haven’t ever heard of such a thing either… I guess that makes a lot of us clueless.

          • Woody

            Station 3

            We adore Thee O Christ and we bless Thee Because
            by Thy Holy Cross Thou hast redeemed the world

            Christ speaks

            The God Who made the universe,
            and holds it in existence

            By His Will alone, becomes a man,
            too weak to bear

            A piece of timber’s weight

            How human in His weakness is the
            Son of God

            My Father willed it thus.

            I could not be your model
            otherwise.

            If you would be my other self,
            you also must accept without complaint

            Your human frailties

            I reply:

            Lord, Jesus how can I refuse?

            I willingly accept my weaknesses,

            My irritations and my moods, my
            headaches and fatigue

            All my defects of body, mind, and
            soul.

            Because they are Your Will for
            me, these

            Handicaps of my humanity, I
            gladly suffer them.

            Make me content with all my
            discontents,

            But give me strength to struggle after
            you.

          • Woody

            Hey, we got a math major not a religious scholar…Bravo!

          • Woody

            Wonderful; this is the fake Catholic I was just referring to; he can’t even spell–alter boy????

          • Julie LaBrecque

            His CCD teacher is surely to blame-.LOL!! I knew who it was before I checked to see! Cut him some slack!!! Not.

          • sumsrent

            Julie… aren’t you the one who stated that you believe we are already living in the millennium? Please correct me if I’m wrong…

          • Julie LaBrecque

            John 18:36 “My kingdom is not of this world.”
            Luke 17:20-21 “The Kingdom of God cometh…, the kingdom of God is within you” Luke 22:28 “It is you who have stood by me…and I confer a kingdom on you” 1 Col 1:13 “He delivered us… and transferred us to the Kingdom of His beloved son” 2 Peter 3:13 “But we await a new heavens and a new earth”

          • sumsrent

            That didn’t answer the question…
            Try again…

          • Woody

            And “only the Father knows the hour and the day…” Then why does Sumrent hunt little beasties with his long lost buddy Wayne–they had a contest going for a while. Notice that some of our posters when they tell little fibs they exaggerate with profound !!! like we would be more likely to succumb to the devil’s delight.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            What happened to Wayne? I hadn’t noticed his absence till you mentioned it.

          • sumsrent

            Not notice? Why doesn’t that surprise me… since you struggle noticing what Holy Scripture says…

          • Woody

            Yah, just got off with him; his posts contain errors all the time yet he thinks when he quotes Scripture, his ‘interpretations” are “without error?” Now that is real arrogance,and he also thinks Jesus lied when He said, “I will be with you until the End of the Ages.”
            Jesus left Truth to his Church not to some modern day half-believer? St. Paul affirms that, admonishing all to ‘listen to the Church.”
            He also must be 100 years old since he forgets what he said in his prior posts…”was a Catholic for fifty years; no Catholic I know would mix up St. Francis with St. Anthony (another error) so again why would anyone believe he can get Scripture correct?
            God Bless, soon the worm will turnuth and he will be back at you. Keep up the sound posts…
            (Why can’t we get some logical posters instead of the “whackos?”
            As I go to sign off, I see his posts, always saying something is “unbiblical?” The early Christians (or Forefathers) were unbiblical since they had no Bible. yes,they seemed to have survived just fine. as they gave their lives for Jesus…having to say their Masses in the Catacumbus.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Dare you to ask him his baptismal name and who his patron saint was! Bet a dollar to a doughnut he’ll make one up. Hey, ask him if he has a St. Christopher necklace that he’ll send to you.

          • sumsrent

            Is this a reply to my comment down below? Do you think sticking it up here makes it more difficult for others to follow? Of course you do… you’re just as untrustworthy as your C’lic member Woody!

            You say… “You need to remember that the Catholic Church is the PRESENTER of the Bible, not you, not King James, not JW.”

            Let’s get something straight first… the satanically influenced Catholic fake church did NOT write the Scriptures!

            And since the satanically influenced Catholic fake church has a tendency to add words and remove words from Holy Scripture… me thinks your version is incorrect!

            ALSO>>> the question I asked is this… HOW ARE THESE VERSES EVIDENCE THAT SUNDAY IS THE DAY OF WORSHIP?

            They aren’t evidence… are they!?

            Because NO WHERE in Holy Scripture will you find it specifying a specific day for worship!

            The Sabbath is Saturday! The Seventh day! The day of REST and NOT the day of worship!

            Which you and your C’lic friend has missed all throughout this discussion until you just conveniently reworded it all here in a slick trickster satanic Islamic way!

            Which is why you replied up here rather than following the thread of the discussion!

            You can twist it up and backtrack however you wish…

            Woody and your focus had always been about making the Sabbath a day of “worship” disregarding how the Sabbath is a day of “rest”.
            The fact stands… there are Ten commandments not nine!

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Did your Church present the Bible? Just curious. If you want to believe the Sabbath is “still” ordered, and on Saturday, be my guest. Please tell me and the whole world, that you do NO WORK on the Sabbath.

          • shoebat

            Julie, instead of arguing back and forth with Sumersent, why don’t you write an article “The Case for Sunday instead of Saturday” and I will consider posting it. Deal?

          • Julie LaBrecque

            OKEY DOKE!

          • sumsrent

            So now I’m Sumersent again? Really?

          • sumsrent

            Julie… I have employed dozens of people that will be witnesses to the fact that our family business was closed on Saturdays. We worked six days a week and everyone was scheduled off on Saturdays.

          • shoebat

            Sumsrent, instead of arguing back and forth with Julie, why don’t you write an article “The Case for Saturday instead of Sunday” and I will consider posting it.

          • sumsrent

            No thank you…
            There is no day of Worship…
            The Sabbath is the Day of Rest.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            sumsrent, I asked you before to tell the world, I ask again. “Do you do ANY work on the Sabbath”, that means more than
            I don’t go to work on Saturday”. and don’t lie. (Hope you’ve never mowed your lawn, cooked a meal, washed clothes, fed animals, picked grain)

          • sumsrent

            Yep… you got it…
            I don’t mow the grass… don’t wash cloths… don’t go out to the garden and pull produce… don’t wash the truck or car or RV… don’t clean the house.
            But yes… we do use the microwave & stove to cook our food and do feed & water our beloved Yorkie.
            Even spent last Saturday at a widows house doing some electrical work for her… do you think that makes me a murderer?
            But know this… I don’t work employees on the Sabbath.
            Now your turn… did you do enough “good works” today? I’ll check to see if you answered me…

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Uhm, the Israelites had “preparation day” to cook their food. Besides that, the Sabbath started on Friday evening.
            Is your “beloved Yorkie” an idol?

          • sumsrent

            Silly you…
            Do you actually think you can teach me about the Sabbath? A satanically influenced Catholic fake church member? Who doesn’t know the difference between the Day of Rest and what worship is?
            Someone who refuses to take the log out of her own eye?
            Someone who refuses to denounce their popes for making the claims that the fake god of satanic Islam is the same god of Christianity?
            Please… take a step back and check yourself.

            Like usual… you’re desperate to be the all knowing Bullwinkle, grasping at any straw just to be important. You make me want to barf.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            When you are finished barfing, could you address “preparation day”?

          • sumsrent

            I said YOU make me want to barf… I didn’t say I was actually barfing!
            But I’m not gonna answer anymore of your questions Julie when you defiantly refuse to answer mine all the time.
            You’re a snake in the grass… and I’ve already proven to you that the Sabbath is NOT the day of worship [unless you're a stupid brainwashed catholic] and that it is the Day of Rest.
            Tell me this… did you worship at all today? On a day that wasn’t the day of worship? Or… do you worship only on Sundays like satanic worshipping muslims who worship only on Fridays?
            Because when you get down to it… the day will come when you satanically influenced Catholic fake church members are presented to change the day of worship to Fridays with satanic Islam… I bet you’ll do it without a second thought… aye?
            Why? Because it’s just a day of worship and you shouldn’t have a problem with what day to worship your same god on… will ya?

          • Julie LaBrecque

            I actually did worship the past Thursday and Friday. Holy Thursday and Good Friday, and of course (hold your eyes) Easter Sunday! Preparation Day? What’s the deal, if you really live by the Sabbath you can do NO WORK. Maybe your Ox is in the ditch.

          • Woody

            Not sure as I’ve never heard of this–i am guilty of using Preparation H once.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            preparation day was the day before the Sabbath, they had to prepare for the Sabbath by doing all work, including meals, on prep day. Mr Sabbath keeper already said he cooked on the Sabbath, which makes him a fake Sabbath keeper.

          • Woody

            Wow! Breaking News! Shall I tell Jesus on him; or maybe I will report it to Megan Kelly (Personally)
            I’ll have to ask my Jewish friends how much of this they honor today.
            Did I actually see BO going to Church yesterday…is this the second time in his 6 years? I recall the day he tried to quote from the NT peeking down at the podium and stumbling all over the place. (Maybe he stopped at SechRents for a fish sandwich in honor of those Cat’lics whose Lent ended on Friday? Aye

          • Julie LaBrecque

            You know Megan Kelly? She’s one smart gal. I didn’t know BO went to church yesterday. Sicrent would love to serve us a fish sandwich with the bones in it. Till I started on this dialogue, I had no idea there were so many Sabbath as Saturday people. I’ve noticed how few of our protestant friends jump in on the Sabbath dialogue. Do you think they’d throw us a line if we were drowning?

          • Woody

            I’d like to know Megan Kelly and when someone commented on that, “Bill O’Reilly said, Go take a shower.” But I’m kind of different…at least my SnuggleBunny thinks so, when I look at a woman I see God, the Divine Sculptor behind her design. SB is funny – when i tell her Mother’s Day is coming up–she says, “Yah. You want to make them all mothers.” She is funny. She sent me to the beach on my birthday for 10 days and paid for my trip to dance with my thirty girl friends. I spent the 10 days in church to keep me away from my girl friends.

          • sumsrent

            I’ve noticed that you have a fixation with shrewd comments regarding women and sexual innuendos…
            Are you a member of NAMBLA too?

          • Woody

            Very observant; Yes, I do love women with or without “innuendos:” Are these parts of the body that I have missed?
            Do they come in pairs or is there only one allotted per lady?
            Yes, I thank God each and every day for my lady friends; you may not be aware but Adam was the first man and then he got lonely; our Divine Master noted this and said, “Awwwwww. And he gave to Adam, taking from his rib (yuk), and yet turned it into the beautiful creatures you see today. Not sure what a NAMBLA is – could you mean “Not Available Momaleas Backing Los Angeles? Maybe I willl ask my girl friends at the beach to show me their innuendos? (unless you are referring to something indecent of course) Would Dusty have some of these?
            Do you know every woman is blessed and Awesome, carrying with them the entrance to this world. Now that is a magnitudical thought for you so– treat them nice. Mom taught me always open doors for them and to “walk on the outside when escorting them down the street (I guess so we would get hit by a stray car first and then die and go to Heaven.

            God Bless, thanks for the tips

          • sumsrent

            “throw us a line if we were drowning?”
            Yep… sure would Julie…
            And… I would even throw one to a satanic worshipping muslim.
            Although; according to your definition of the Sabbath… you’d best pray that you didn’t drown on the Sabbath… aye?
            In fact… maybe you could hook up with some of those Sadducees and Pharisees and create a new law that says… “No getting near water on the Sabbath”. That way no one would have to break the Sabbath in order to save you from drowning… aye?
            Something tells me that you would be great at writing up restrictions… what do you think?

          • sumsrent

            I also fire up the coffee pot on Saturday too… and lift the lid on my Hot Tub… turn the handle on my door to go outside and sit in the warm breeze. Turn on and off my light switches… adjust my heater during the cold winter months and crank up my cold air in the hotter days.
            I also fetch meals for my elderly father who I care for… even setting out his cloths and caring for his bed linen when he soils them.
            Let me see… what else do I do… which you could deem as inappropriate on the Sabbath?
            Is lifting food to my mouth considered “Work”? Putting on a pair of socks? Opening a bag of potato chips and salsa? Answering the telephone?
            No Julie… your understanding of the Sabbath is more in line of following rituals that miss the meaning of keeping the Sabbath Holy.
            Like I already told you Julie… research these things…
            And now I’ll add… learn something and read your Bible.
            Q: What kind of “works” did you perform Saturday which helped you keep your Salvation?
            PS… I’m really beginning to feel sorry for you.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            If you are trying to dismiss your own failure to properly “keep” the Sabbath, you’ve failed miserably. It seems you are venturing into the land that most Christians are in, in other words, instead of keeping to the letter of the law, we are to keep the spirit of the law.

          • sumsrent

            “Failure”? Only in the eyes of a satanically influenced catholic fake church member…
            Again… I ask you… how can you define the Sabbath when you don’t even know the difference between worship and rest?

            See… you’re just as lost as those Sadducees and Pharisees were when keeping the Sabbath. They worked so hard at keeping the Sabbath that they never rested.

            Mk 2:27-28… “And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.”

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Glad you finally acknowledge that Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath.
            FYI- The God that we worship is a Father, with an “only begotten son, begotten, not made”, and the holy spirit. For short, we called in the Trinity. Why don’t you discover which Church made this definition of the relationship of the 3 persons of the Godhead?. You will find out it wasn’t your messianic congregation, or the 7th day Adventists, or any other “church”.

          • sumsrent

            Your words six days ago were…

            “Jesus is the true Sabbath.”
            Now you change your perspective as if I learned something new?… “He is Lord of the Sabbath”…
            Careful Julie… now you’re starting to act like the distorter Woody!

            However…
            You’re right Julie… there have been some devout Christians in history that have given us some good insight on the Word of God…

            Unfortunately; there have also been some twisted individuals that have done the opposite.

            You like to view things as if your church done this or that… but I see Christians.

            An example… I know a story about the fella who created metallic flake paint… he was employed and worked for a car company. Now then… who gets the credit for coming up with the product?

            And with your outlook … you’d say… your fake church does… aye?

          • sumsrent

            I’ve got your game Julie…

            I’ve pinned you down, once again, where you can’t squirm out of defending your satanically influenced catholic fake church and…

            You’re now desperate to flip the conversation unto something you can hold over my head. But you just struggle trying to latch unto something… and that eats at your inner core… aye?

            Remember Julie… I told you to research the Sabbath… evidently you haven’t done so… which means you still don’t comprehend.

            Why you haven’t studied up on it is because you’re stubborn and brainwashed.

            And when you say things like this… “What’s the deal, if you really live by the Sabbath you can do NO WORK. Maybe your Ox is in the ditch.”
            You just don’t get it…

            Also remember this Julie… you are the pompous one that mistakenly thought the Sabbath was the day of worship instead of the Day of Rest. Which began this whole discussion…

            I get it Julie… you can’t stand being wrong… aye?
            And why let it bother you? Since it is your satanically influenced catholic fake church which programmed you to be confused like you are?

            Q: When are you gonna admit that the fake god of satanic Islam is NOT your God? When?

          • Julie LaBrecque

            There are as many theories as there are fools.

          • sumsrent

            Tell ya what Julie… I really do like you…
            When your not talking about the satanically influenced catholic fake church… You tend to make some really intelligent comments!
            But answer me this one question?
            Q: Do you believe that you worship the same fake god of satanic Islam?

          • sumsrent

            It just occurred to me why you satanically influenced catholic fake church members can’t observe the Sabbath as the Day of Rest…
            Y’all have to keep up the good works every day of the week in order to keep from losing your Salvation.
            So sorry to hear that… y’all can’t ever rest or take a day off.
            [Yep... the satanically influenced catholic fake church is most certainly messed up.]

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Sunday is our day of rest, and our day of worship, just like John describes in the book of revelations.

          • sumsrent

            It is not “revelations” Julie… it is the Book of Revelation.
            That log in your eye needs to be taken out… you’re not as perfect as you think you are. Especially when you go about correcting others spelling errors as you do.
            Of course… I’m interested in what you think John says in your satanically influenced catholic fake church’s version of the Book of Revelation?
            Care to expound? Because I can’t find anything which is close to what you claim…

          • Woody

            Hey, is this the same “snake” idol you accuse God my Father of making so that He is in league with the idol worshipers … boy better watch out…I checked it out–Julie is right you did say you want to barf? Are you having a nervous breakdown?

          • sumsrent

            Once again you lie… I never said that. LIAR!

          • Woody

            What’s a bulwinkle; and ouch Julie that log must hurt–how do you think it got there or is it da daaaaaaaaa! the devil again as he gives that craphead more press than he deserves; I like St Faustina’s action who never gave Beelzebub any press–she just said “Jesus” and he scrammed back down to his hole; I guess SicRent likes having him around. Have you read St Faustina’s diary–she is so funny–she would argue with Jesus each day, telling Him she was unworthy to do the things He asked of her–His demands…that she write a daily diary, and 2-the get the Divine Mercy prayer established throughout the world; in the end she did both. One day though, she said to Jesus, “I want to ask you for a favor.” He said, “You know how much I love you, go ahead and ask.” So she said, “i want you to save all of the souls who are going to die this day.” Hey, said, you don’t know what you are asking, that is so much, but for you I will do it.”
            And He did. She often said in her diary that Jesus actually took up residence in her heart–I can’t even imagine how He could “reside” in someone’s heart, but the way she put it, I know she meant it literally.
            God Bless

          • sumsrent

            How ’bout you finally answering the question…
            Do you worship the same fake god of satanic Islam which your popes claim you do?

          • Woody

            Answered it many times; I follow my Master, Jesus Who said to love my brother as myself; you have a mental aberration, fixated upon satan and he loves you for keeping him in the limelight; an intelligent person would not give the rascal and blatherskite the time of day; you also have a need for some Aristotlelian training, since you make no sense at all…”demons do not cast out demons,” for like you–they are buds. Look to the saints, those holy men and women who gave their lives for their Master; I did put you in my daily Mass again today and apologized to him for your lambasting of His Church and His Holy Mother; I said this guy is also ungrateful for if Mary had said “No” to the Angel Gabriel Summationrent would be in hell today–no “Fiat” no Jesus–no SicRent. Now be a good boy and press your Call button for your handlers and nurses to arrive and also ask them if you can do some Corporal Works of Mercy by assisting the other patients, perhaps you can shorten your Purgatory time just by reading to them or propping a pillow up for one of your old ladies in bed.
            God Bless
            I just thought of something – I can give you a reference for the Cleveland Clinic–I know the head there and he is the best psychiatrist in he whole world.

          • sumsrent

            Even the satanic worshipping muslims revere Jesus…

            So no… you haven’t answered the question at all.

            “Do you worship the same fake god of satanic Islam which your popes claim you do?”

            Yes or no?

            If you are a Christian… you won’t struggle with this answer.

            See folks… a catholic can’t get past worshipping their satanically influenced catholic fake church over Christ Jesus!

            Answer the question Woody!

            “Do you worship the same fake god of satanic Islam which your popes claim you do?”

            Yes or no?

          • Woody

            SOURCE PLEASE

          • sumsrent

            “Is your “beloved Yorkie” an idol?”

            Nope… it’s a dog. Don’t you know the difference?

            But I can see how you struggle… You C’lics worship concrete, brass, marble, plastic and rock idols.

            In other words… I can see how you would worship it… you have a tendency to worship everything including the fake god of satanic Islam.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            According to your standard, I can declare what you do is idolatry. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Please tell me you won’t have the dog stuffed when it dies, that is so creepy.

          • sumsrent

            You… “can declare what [I] do is idolatry”?
            Oh really… and how’s that Julie?

          • Julie LaBrecque

            that’s the standard that you and albeit use, so why can’t I?

          • Woody

            I thought Walid put this one to bed with his fine study on the early Christians that the “Cat’lcs were right not the Evangelicals?”
            How those Cat’lcs having da daaaaaa incense in their Churches – Whoa! Do you think it could be on your brilliant theory
            that “calic demons are casting out demons…” how is this logical? What would happen if an idol was made of brick? Would that be more sinful than “rock idols?”
            SOURCE?

          • sumsrent

            Matthew 7:22-23…
            “Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

            And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”

          • Woody

            Great post– pointing out those who have been denigrating Jesus’ Mom, Our Lady, at their judgement; fits them perfectly.
            Even in our society knocking another’s mom is considered poor taste and judgement. I wouldn’t want to be in their knickers. The love Luther, Zwingli, Wesley, and Calvin may have been enough to sway their ultimate judgement to the dark side…
            About time you followed Jesus’ “Know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free.”
            God Bless

          • Woody

            Yes, and remember what Jesus said to Martha while she was a fussing with the housework and cooking and thangs. “Mary has the best part of it…”

          • sumsrent

            What no comeback Julie? You at a lost for words all the sudden?
            I thought you had itchy pants awaiting my return? Why give up now?
            Maybe Woody will come to your deluded rescue… aye?

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Itchy pants? For you? Have you lost your mind (never mind, I can answer that.) You haven’t explained, as a “true Sabbath” believer, why you cook on the Sabbath. You should have everything “prepared” before sundown on Friday.

          • Woody

            What are itchy pants?

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Ask Columbo, its his invention. Read his post above mine. He usually has a new term of endearment or nasty way of addressing me when it’s not going his way.

          • Woody

            Why are you obeying James?; uncle Marty would not like that?

          • sumsrent

            Walid…
            Here ya go… look at what your Catholics are doing. They’ve been sitting here for days itching away for the moment they can gang up on me…
            Take a look… I’ve had around thirty comments from these Catholics over the weekend…

          • Julie LaBrecque

            I’m impressed! You’ve promoted us up a few steps to being “these Catholics”, from “satanically inspired Catholics””. Sounds like the Grinch may have received a new heart for Easter.

          • sumsrent

            Wrong… respect to Walid…
            No promotion at all. I will always address you the same until you denounce that satanically influenced catholic fake church…

          • Julie LaBrecque

            OOPS, the heart failed.

          • Woody

            the satanically influenced catholic fake church

            SOURCE PLEASE?

          • Woody

            Like Peter I will not denounce the Vicar of Christ on earth; he made up for his sins, but not Judas.
            SOURCE please?

          • sumsrent

            “SOURCE please?”
            Yes.

          • Woody

            Awwwwwwwww, poor guy; Jesus handled more than 30 comments per day so you have plenty of time – why are we “Walid’s Catholics?”
            Just because he is clean of prejudice and a man with an open mind, and follows Jesus admonition: “Know ye the Truth and the Truth shall set you free.”
            Ye ought ta be able ta handle anting from a fake church wit yo brains. Fake it out iffen yo don know da answr like ya ben duing.

          • sumsrent

            “Prejudice”?
            Shameful that the members of the satanically influenced catholic fake church are prejudice against every other Christian… but willing to accept the fake god of satanic Islam… aye? Go figure…

          • Woody

            He is cute, isn’t he? Just came from Mass, and the Pastor pointed out that Easter is not just one day, that we are still celebrating (the Octave) and this is goot because for such a grand day and I love it (Sackrent won’t like it) but see all the gorgeous looking ladies on Easter Sabbath Sunday, dressed to the “nines,”-last year I told by lady friend at the pool I used to travel to NY and just stand on the corner in the AM watching all the girls going to work, and she said, “I used to be one of those girls you admire so much.” Yes, Suzy is from NY City which I did not know at the time. But the “feminist” movement has really struck a blow to ladies in my opinion–most don’t wear makeup, they wear jeans to church, and every time I go into my old firm, JCP (but they are everywhere) the ugliest bras I have ever seen–and they are everywhere.
            I had a great idea the other day but SnuggleBunny nixed it on me. I want to buy a bra and mail it to Valerie Putin since he loves his pecks so much. I still think I may do it—what size would you suggest–32A perhaps?

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Maybe a B. Too bad so many we burned and not put in a warehouse, you could go grab one. At least Putin has pecks, unlike our “fearless” leader.

          • Woody

            Good points-oops, sorry, SumerRent will get mad me and say I am having impure thoughts again; back to the Sacrament of Penance for me (love it, dredge that I yam) Aye
            I was standing in a confession line of about 28 several months ago and there was homeless man in line–he fainted and I saw another homeless man, called him over and said, “Do you know this man?” He looked down, stared for a moment and said, “Not in that position.”

          • Woody

            Did I mention that when the good sisters told me in the second grade that when we leave out prayers at Mary’s altar, the form into beautiful Lilly’s and rise up to or Mom for her to take care of them for us. Well, about a year and a half ago I snapped a photo of Her Altar at my Church and, in the picture, are long stemmed Lilly’s arising from the votive candles – a couple almost up to Her; but there is at least 12 in all. Love that picture?

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Wow. Does sumsrent not have anything else to do? He reminds me of Columbo except for the “solving” part. Wonder if he wears a trench coat.

          • sumsrent

            Woody says… “(Sackrent won’t like it)”…
            That’s your buddy, Julie… I’m sure you have a valid excuse for not rebuking him like you did the other commenter today for saying such vulgar things against the Protestants… aye?
            Folks… it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out what type of person Woody really is…

          • Woody

            “rocket scientist” – clean up your act – you should not use cliches or you will appear immobile and disjointed in the head.

          • sumsrent

            Although I answered this already, which has been shoved down below by other comments…

            I’d like to add…

            Julie says… “Hope you’ve never…”
            Well… “never” is a long time…
            But… I must confess… there was a time, years ago, when I didn’t understand what the Sabbath was… but I learned the Truth.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            You have obviously not read my post to you that puts your Sabbath theory in the dust. Either that or you are avoiding it.

          • Woody

            I guess he doesn’t go to church–“no day of worship?” i missed this…but he is resting always.

          • sumsrent

            Round and round and round he goes… where Woody stops…
            He won’t.

            So let me put it like this Woody… there is NO specified day of worship!

            And your satanically influenced catholic fake church… which serves the fake god of satanic Islam… has distorted what the
            Day of Rest is…

            The Sabbath is the Day of Rest… NOT the day of worship.

            I would hope that if you are the Christian you claim to be… that you worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob… the Father of our Lord and Savior… more often than just one stupid day a week.

            Folks…
            Q: What’s the difference between the satanically influenced catholic fake church and satanic Islam?
            A: Nothing. Except the satanically influenced catholic fake church serves, bows to and submits to satanic Islam!

          • sumsrent

            You say… “were shadows of their ultimate fulfillment.”

            Read the verse again Julie… it says… ” a shadow of things to come”.
            Which means… your interpretation needs extra words added in order to make it fit. Which is typical of the satanically influenced catholic fake church.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            You truly are blind. Maybe I should ask Raphael to instruct me to take some fish gall and slather on your eyes.

          • sumsrent

            It would seem Julie that you will need it more than I since you have that log in your eye that needs to be removed…

          • shoebat

            Excellent references Woody. I was shocked when I first read the Didache. So few even know of it. The oldest instruction manual on the practice of the Church and I never met a Protestant who reads it. The interesting thing is this: If the Catholic Church was founded by Constantine (as so many anti-Catholics claim), then what is pre-Constantine is the ‘true-Church’, right? At least this is what anti-Catholics say, yet the Didache is from such an era that should settle the matter. What is shocking is that the Didache shows that Christian practices were more Catholic, not Evangelical or Messianic. It is impossible to refute such evidence.

          • Woody

            You are impressing me more and more; I was first attracted me to this site when I read the Catholics and the Lepanto, etc. which i knew Prots probably never heard of (probably because, despite their founders love for Our Lady, they have drifted very far from Luther, Zwingli, and Calvin…I love the Didache but have always wondered it it was considered for inclusion by the Catholic Bishops at the Council of Nicea in 325; then again, it is so “duplicative” of a “short Bible” that may be the reason for not putting it in (a nice read though)
            My theory is …two nice Protestant women this site commented,
            “i wonder why we Protestants have never gotten much Church History. I kind of smiled because I know many Prots who, once read what and how the first Christians worshiped they turn Catholic (Scott Hahn who taught seminary in Protestant seminaries, said, after he decided to read the early Church Fathers,”Whoa! This is not what we Protestants believe at all.” You see, as Elizabeth Hahn has said (these my parphases) …turning away from what you have been brought up with is a gut-wrenching experience
            (Have you read Scott and her book, “Rome Sweet Home,” both of them (like SickRent here “hated the Catholic Church”) I really cried for Elizabeth seeing the stress on her–she with 5 Protestant Ministers in her family,including her dad (what a dad she had or has) [She was on TV a week ago and said, “This the anniversary of my 27th year as a Catholic and I do not regret 1 second of it)
            I have only heard this Constantine thing once, and I laughed, – Constantine was a pagan…he did not convert to Catholicism until his death bed. My Baptist girl friend has had cancer since 1998, and one time she waited at the back of my Church while i did an errand, and she said, “Why do I feel so comfortable and at peace here?’ I said, because look up at that tabernacle- Jesus is present physically here.” Say a prayer for her. You should read some more of “I really like Ignatius of Antioch (3rd Bishop after Peter), and Polycarp (when they tried to “torch” Polycarp, the flames would not touch him–they rose over is head to make an Arch, so the lions finally ate him. Yes, no one ever takes my quiz–asking WHO founded the Catholic Church? They say no one–right is that logical–all churches have a founder and we are to believe the largest with 1.2 billion Christians came along on its own? Now that is illogical. Sorry for being windy but i like logical and well read persons.

            God Bless, (Hey, i even said a Mass for you this a.m.)
            (PS Look up Blessed Margaret of Castello–you will love her…and cry.) Back at you

          • shoebat

            Woody, “Blessed Margaret of Castello” is an amazing story of an abandoned hunchback girl whose wealthy parents abandoned and the poor took her in and she ended up caring for the poor and needy. Christ loves the rejects. Her body is on display. How can anyone explain how her body is so well preserved? People ask for miracles, and when miracles are in plain view, people refuse to believe it. The Shroud, Miracle of Fatima (I read the book) and many other things that is difficult to refute. At Fatima, the story of consecrating Russia to God is quite the challenge. For two decades I have been battling with big names in the Prophecy arena,met most of these guys (Lahaye, Hagee, Dave Hunt was a friend of mine) they all say Russia is Gog. Yet, from Fatima we know that Russia will return to God. This fits perfectly with Daniel 11 (an enemy to Antichrist comes from the North), this is Russia going against Turkey. For Russia to fight against Antichrist it must return to God. It is difficult to ignore the evidence from Fatima. Zeitun in Egypt, thousands and thousands saw Mary. Now, the only explanation I get from non-Catholics is that these were apparitions from satan. But why would the devil confirm the Trinity? Who is preserving the Shroud and these bodies and why? The devil?

            But this is the same accusations Jesus got.

            As far as Hann, I read his book Signs of Life. Indeed, Polycarp is an amazing story. Here is someone who was the student of John. For Pete’s sake, this is not someone to be ignored. Indeed, Protestants know very little history, they say that the Bible is sufficient. But the Bible itself refers to historical events. How could we not care about history? It is like saying that I care about my son, but I could care less about feeding him. The other thing is that to love the Bible is to follow it. Following the Bible mandates WORKS.

            As far as the Presence and the Tabernacle, it seems to amaze me that we say that God is omnipresent, we accept His presence everywhere, except in the bread!

            We accept to plug into an electric outlet, we realize that their is a source, yet why can’t we accept that God, the Omnipresent God can be with us in Communion. Why not?

            While many will condemn me for saying that, yet this is also strange, because while they DO NOT mind condemning me, they DO MIND condemning Luther who believed of Christ’s presence in the Eucharist. When you bring that up, then they say they could care less about Luther, then you ask them, do you believe is Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide, and they all say they do. Yet these terms were coined by Luther.

            Its very confusing.

            The questions I always ask: do we follow Christ or Luther? They always say Christ, but in reality and truth, they follow Luther.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Read about the miracle at Lanciano, Italy. The consecrated host turned to flesh & blood in the priests hand, circa 700-800 A.D. I think, the host STILL EXISTS, has undergone 4 scientific investigations, they can not explain what happened, but the tests confirm that is HUMAN HEART TISSUE type AB blood, same as the blood on the Shroud of Turin. The consecrated wine turned into 5 globules, still exist today, each globule is of different size but weigh the same, and when weighed together, shows the same weight as each separate globule. Many, many incorruptible bodies of saints still incorruptible after centuries.

          • shoebat

            I already examined it in the past. I also have seen the testimony of cardio-pathologist Dr. Frederick Zugibe of New York City which confirms this type of occurrences. Zugibe is originally from my neck of the woods. I think he is Palestinian American. He passed away recently. Its quite interesting and difficult to refute his scientific confirmation. Catholics can attest to some interesting phenomenons. You have the Shroud of Turin which I have been investigating for years. They thought it was fake and now it is obvious that that the carbon dating was what was at fault. I believe these things are true indeed.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            It is hard to refute, I’ve read that carbon dating is not necessarily accurate, also that shroud experts believe some parts may have been patched. I would love to eat kabobs and hummus with you! The area of Oklahoma where I live had many Lebanese and Syrian families settle here, and they set up restaurants serving the best hummus, tabouli, cabbage rolls, & steaks on earth. My treat if you ever head to Tulsa, dinner is on me. I make a pretty good Lebanese meat pie myself! And Macroons and Sambousics! Stay safe, we all pray for your protection. God Bless

          • Woody

            I thought you were in California; guess what…went to Good Friday Services with “those damned Catholics…and stood in a line of 450 persons and kissed the Cross of my Savior along with others–imagine kissing a “graven image.” The Prots will go nuts. Yes, they thing God sinned also because he commanded Moses to make “a graven image of a Serpent and had the people look at it to get healed. Once my Baptist girl friend and I were at dinner and she pulled out a photo of her son and said, “”This is my son and…” I interrupted and said, “Why are you carrying a “graven image” around with you.” She said, “you are so silly. It is just a reminder of one I love.” Why then do you not see when it venerate my favorite saint; After all it is the same as your picture only in 3 dimension, and now we also have Walid’s study of the early Christians who had “images” everywher–the Catacumbus, their Churches etc. Mom said what is good for the goose is good for the gander, Aye.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            I’m originally FROM California, have lived other states and overseas, but dear ole Oklahoma is the place I love. It’s a great state, the people are friendly and down to earth. Besides, we have the greatest football team in the country! Boomer Sooner!

          • Julie LaBrecque

            About the “graven” images, I just have to laugh at these people. 3D is bad, so saith the Lord! Jesus was 3D in case they haven’t figured it out, and so are we. I know people that love their cats and dogs more than God, have them stuffed and kept in their homes! EKE-3D!!!

          • Woody

            Yes, and how about Veronica’s veil; not in the Scripture I believe but in a Church somewhere–no time to research it; and how about Sola Scripture not recording Jesus’ 6th wound (not in Scripture, and how about me–I exist yet I am not in Scripture??
            On the shroud I have always believed it is genuine, but that they took the carbon sample form one of the many patches.
            God Bless.

          • Woody

            And I still want to find out what Church Veronica’s Veil is in? Maybe sweetie Julie knows (she is like a girl Pope)

          • Woody

            So true; but also note that they do NOT follow Luther, Zwingli, and Calvin on these founders Love for Mary; so they pick and choose each day and back again, and basically why they have 33,000 churches all disagreeing with one another or the would be One as Jesus is One. You bring up some interesting points: on Fatima, that promise was contingent if I remember right, and it was contingent on the Pope ‘dedicating’ Russia to God; yet, for years I keep seeing ‘he did” he didn’t” “it hasn’t happened yet?’ So if he did not? Why would he have not done it? (I’ll ask him if I see him in the Men’s Room tomorrow.)-I have to say this is a joke since Protestants are so serious)

            On the “…body on display” comment–did you read Joan Carol Cruze’s “The Incorruptibles,”

            I just googled Joan Cruz and saw St Bernadette’s face who died in 1871–she is so beautiful in death as she was in life.

            You know about Zeitun – I just stumbled onto that but I am puzzled as I have not heard any Catholics discuss it;I meant to ask Patrick Madrid (he knows everything and Protestant’s call in to him all the time since he is so patient and kind with them)

            Julie have you looked on the Internet at Zeitun or heard of it; the pictures are amazing; if that’s not Mary then i dont know my Ma. I’ll never forget the first time I talked to her–I was only 7 and when i asked her “Who are you/” She said, “Why I am Jesus Mom?” “How are you little boy?” I said, “scared,” and she asked “of what,” and I told her “of the world.” Then she asked “Would you like me to be your mommy, too?” Of course I accepted. Boy has she had a time with me!

            Protestants blame everything that requires ‘Faith” on satan? That’s why they booted our their own “Pentecostals.’ being jealous of them. To believe like Catholics you really need a strong Faith and that is why Jesus demanded it–for ‘faith can move a mountain..” and I believe that; contrast that with the main Prot bodies telling the Pentecostals “miracles” ended in the Apostolic Age. i’ve seen several personally during my lifetime alone.

            Every Protestant including the Hahn’s who have read what the early Church was like converted to Catholicism since like you found out and you are only beginning–the Churches and the Mass is the same–after, all what the priest does at Mass is exactly what Jesus did at the Last Supper and He told His first Bishops to continue to do this and they do even today.

            Well, I can understand why the Protestant’s reject the “Real Presence,” since they have no way to consecrate the wafer and wine, since it is a gift Jesus gave to His Apostles (the first Bishops); but don’t forget one of the main Sacraments (of the seven) is Holy Orders (the priesthood) and, since Luther opted out, the Prots no longer have these powers especially consecration [thus they are forced into this position] Also, to continue in an unbroken line from the Apostles, new priests have to have “the laying on of hands” by a Bishop; and even Luther could not do this since he was a lowly priest.

            And I can see why you are being criticized; you seek the Truth no matter where it leads you; but remember that anyone who does this is subject to losing his friends–I believe most of the Hahn’s friends left them–BUT finding Jesus is more important and look at them today–in the leads of the Catholic Church, with many lovely new friends–they would not change for anything.

            If they followed Christ they would not have so many churches all preaching different things, most of which contradict each other and as we know from the brains–Aristotle, Socrates, Aquinas (smartest man that ever lived), and Augustine – ‘contradictions cannot exist and both be true at the same time (see the Square of Opposition)

            Interesting discussion but I like to keep my posts short as you may have noticed; let me give Julie a kiss SMACK and sign off of this Q’s.

            God Bless
            Still want to know what Bethlehem is like?

          • Julie LaBrecque

            “To be deep in history is to cease being a Protestant”
            John Henry Newman

          • Woody

            Yes, we have changed very little in over 2000 years because Jesus said “I will be with you until the End of Days.” And He is still with us; saw Him and thanked Him tonight and got to kiss His true Cross. (And I thanked St Helena, Constantine’s mommy for finding that Cross)

        • Julie LaBrecque

          If the Sabbath begins “when the sun breaks the horizon”, as you state, and for a Christian, it shouldn’t matter, per se, then why the “rush” to get Jesus off the cross (He died at 3:00 p.m), so they wouldn’t defile the Passover? Seems like they knew they had but a few hours to get it done.

        • Julie LaBrecque

          Wrong again.

          • http://batman-news.com albeit

            There you go again with your “HERD MENTALITY” going against Gods Word way of thinking!!!

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Do you follow the way of the Sadduccees?

        • Fr Christopher P. Kelley, DD

          Shabbat begins when the sun sets on Friday. Who is now redefining the Sabbath? Read Genesis 1. “It was Evening and it was morning, a day.” (This kept the Hebrews from sun-worship.) this is why St Luke says, “When the Day of Pentecost had FULLY come” (= morning, as it had *begun* the evening before)!

          • http://batman-news.com albeit

            Where is your insight and perception Fa&#@%….. The bible defines itself….I do not define it but simply interpret it as God instructs…Evening represents the completion of the day and morning represents the completion of the night!!! If evening represented the start of the day then when did God do his work??? Also did the plants reproduce in a 24 hour period??? Hardly!!! A day represents 70,000 days consisting of 23 hours and 20 minutes totaling 420,000 days of creation based on a 23 hour and 20 minute day…This is symbolic of several biblical verses…The age of Jesus while on earth which is 42 (350) day periods or 14,700 days and about 40 plus years based on 365 days…conception on the winter solstice, birth the day before Tabernacles or the 14th day of the 7th month…About October 1st…Death on or about April 1st …Conception took place either 7 or 8 BCE and death 34 or 35 CE…Creation is also symbolic of the 12 apostles being 1200 (350) day periods…with the fall of man or Adam symbolic of Judas Iscariot betraying Jesus…does this make sense to you or do you need to go back to bible study 101…

            This kept the Hebrews from sun-worship.)

            Well it certainly didn’t keep the Catholics from Sun worship…

            Ezekiel 8:16
            16 He then brought me into the inner court of the house of the Lord, and there at the entrance to the temple, between the portico and the altar, were about twenty-five men. With their backs toward the temple of the Lord and their faces toward the east, they were bowing down to the sun in the east.

          • Fr Christopher P. Kelley, DD

            Find me a Hebrew-speaking Jew who twists “Evening” & “Morning” the way you do! When does Pesach begin? At Sunset. When does Trumpets begin? At Sunset. When does Tabernacles begin? At Sunset. When does Simchat Torah begin? At Sunset. When does Purim begin? At Sunset. What about Tisha b’Av? Evening. When does Yom Kippur begin and end? At Sunset! I could go on. Case Made. Hebrew/Jewish understanding of the Hebrew language does not concur with your novelty.
            To God, David says, “The day and the night are both alike.” No impaired vision in the Almighty! The Creator of Light does not need light to see!
            One thing can be securely dated: The Crucifixion took place on Friday, in the year 33AD, on the 3rd of April, by the Roman [Julian] calendar, the 14th of Nisan on the Jewish Calendar. [No approximate about it.] There was a Blood Moon that night, visible from Jerusalem, to which St Peter refers 8 weeks later, on Pentecost. The “residents in Jerusalem” being “devout men from every nation under heaven” had seen that Paschal Full Moon rise in eclipse, red. They KNEW then that the prophecy of Joel was fulfilled.
            As to the year of Jesus’ Birth, there has been some major re-examination of Josephus, in regard to the death of King Herod. March of 4BC is no longer favored, as that eclipse of the moon was not visible in Judea at all. There was, however, an eclipse on December 29, 1BC, which WAS visible there. This would put Herod’s death in the Spring of 1AD. See the astronomical work of Dr Richard Larson, on DVD, “The Bethlehem Star.” There is a Cosmic Poem worked out by God from the Beginning of Creation. Let him show you how God placed the stars to tell HIS Story. (But 7 – 8 BC is ruled out.)

            As for your mathematical extravaganza, it may look nice to you on paper, but makes a whale of a lot of assumptions out of thin air. The 24-hour day is something that was calculated in Mesopotamia, along with the 60-minute hour, and 360-degree circle, before the time of the Assyrians. The interest in precision would not have permitted a 40-minute “gaposus” in the clockwork. You have some mathematical hocus-pocus going on there. Kabala?

            As for sun-worship, the Orthodox and Catholics’ oldest liturgy is the Paschal Vigil (of Easter), which takes place AT NIGHT. Jesus spoke of the Return o the Bridegroom “at Midnight”. It is the Christian Seder. It is the Druids who are Dawn-worshippers. You have a great penchant for displaying your ignorance of the victims of your slander.

          • http://batman-news.com albeit

            How many years of seminary school did it take to learn that God and his plan were as unbalanced and convoluted and as imperfect as what you’ve just stated…so are you willing to state to me and to everyone on this blog that God is imperfect??? then why does the bible say he is??? And why do the jews celebrate many holy days beginning in the evening??? What verse in the bible justifies that??? Only atonement and passover begin in the evening…Open your eyes and see!!!
            · There are 23 biblical patriarchs from Adam to Joseph
            · 2300 years expired from the creation of Adam to the death of Joseph
            · 6 x 46 or 12 x 23 is 276. Six represents man w/o God and 46 represents the number of years it took to rebuild the temple
            · In Acts 27 Paul and other prisoners and Roman soldiers swam from an abandon ship to the island of Malta 276 total
            · 2,760,000 days of 23 hours and 20 minutes will be completed from when God said “Let there be Light” in Genesis to “I am the Alpha and Omega” in Revelation 21
            · Converted into 24 hour periods it amounts to 2,683,333.3 days
            · Six days of creation total 420,000 (23) hour & 20 minute day or
            · Six days of creation total 408333.3 (24) hour days
            · Jacob was 82 when (70 Israel) & (12 tribes) Joseph was born. The bible only states that he was born to him in his old age which is to say over 80 years of age. (Stats available upon request) Never before figured out or at least publically published
            · Yashua was born on the 14th day of the 7th month in the Hebrew month of Tishrei
            · Yashua is the Lamb of God John 1:29
            · A lamb from conception to birth is 147 days long
            · Yashua is the Holy One of Israel Jeremiah 51:5
            · Jacob (Israel) lived 147 years and then he died
            · Yashua lived 14,700 twelve hour days from conception to death on the cross
            · From the creation of Adam up toYashua’s death on the cross 1,470,000 days passed.
            · There are 3 sets of 1,470,000 (12) hours periods or 735,000 (24) hour day periods from the creation of Adam until the beginning of the Millennium
            · The Millennium is actually a creation day long or 70,000 23 hour and 20 minute days approaching near to the year 6000 in the Hebrew calendar with the remaining 1945 days to fill in the biblical events after the Millennium including the 1290 & 1335 days of the Book of Daniel 12
            · The Hebrew calendar began when Christ left the earth on day 500,000 after he said: “Let there be light.”
            · This is symbolic of the 50 year Jubilee period when in the 50th year we are to return back to our own property
            · The Hebrew calendar began 91,667 days after the creation of Adam

          • Fr Christopher P. Kelley, DD

            Contrarian,
            Again you splatter a diatribes on Walid’s blog. Your mathematical hocus-pocus continues. So do your unfounded assertions. Take a mirror and look at yourself.
            Do you know any Jews? It would seem you don’t. It did not take any special instruction to learn that Shabbat begins at Sundown on Friday. So your silly assertion that only Passover and Atonement begin at sunset is utter rubbish. Wake up! It is YOUR instructors who have made a fool of YOU! EVERY Jewish day begins at Sundown. EVERY Jewish feast day, or fast day begins at Sundown.
            Hence the Church’s unbroken heritage has her great feasts also begin with the Eve.

            Your abracadabra with numbers is curious. God HAS placed numbers of meaning in the Scripture. Each has its assigned place. Even the 276 aboard St Paul’s ship — not all were Roman soldiers however, as St Paul and St Luke were among them. But check your text. “Melita” is NOT Malta. Malta never had serpents. The better candidate is the island of Mljet (modern name), just off the Dalmatian coast. But that is not germane here.
            Check out “THEOMATICS” by Del Washburn and Jerry Lucas for a better approach to the numbers in Scripture. Also E.W. Bullinger’s book.
            But so much of your speculation is naught but speculation.
            Where do you find a 12-hour day? The same place some find a “5% tithe” ???
            That is contrary (albeit) to the definition!

            Nothing I have said ever implied that God was imperfect. This is your projection. This is the perversity of your sectarian instructors. Wake up, friend! You have been seduced.

    • GIGfriend22

      Sometime I wonder if the dome rock was the third temple to be warned about…..?? I do not recall it in scripture that a worshiping building was going to be there before the third temple.

  • http://www.Starman3000.com/ Mike Ramirez

    Folks, there are several “Interfaith” groups who advocate building the Third Temple – just as Yisrayl Hawkins and Malik Obama are now talking about. As you know, Adnan Oktar, the Turkish author and TV personality, has met with many Israeli Rabbis over the years proposing the same – and the rabbis have met with him regularly in eager in anticipation. Walid has published a prior story about Adnan Oktar. Then, there is also an Israeli organization, known as “The Temple Mount Faithful”, led by Gershon Salomon which has already drawn the architectural plans for the Temple.
    The point is, this may actually come to pass when a “Two-State” solution is finally resolved by consensus of the “world leaders” including from the Muslim world. While the Jewish people will believe this is “the day” that they’ve been waiting for, it will be a Hudna (temporary peace) and will fall in line with the prophetic account from the Bible that tells of the day when the antichrist and false prophet come onto the world scene.
    Another interesting point: Israeli land surveyors have determined that the Dome of The Rock does NOT encompass the area where the Holy of Holies was located in the Second (Solomon’s) Temple. It is the Holy of Holies that was the most important part of the Temple structure. Thus, the Third Temple would be built on the grounds near the Dome of The Rock and set on the actual site of where the Holy of Holies once was. The Jewish High Priest “of the 21st Century” would then be able to proceed with establishing Temple worship as before (but for a short while).
    Watch for the future agreement: A Two-State Solution built on Interfaith cooperation that allows Muslims and Jews to all be able to worship together in Jerusalem – on the Temple Mount, and the only way is having both Temples side by side.

  • AnthonyM

    A computer generated program speaking the text. Listen to how the program speaks, especially Antiochus Epiphanes. A human voice would be better.

  • richinnameonly

    Thanks for posting!

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  • tomads

    I like the idea!
    Jerusalem is the place where the Son’s of Abraham should UNITE not self-destruct at the behest of atheists!

  • http://www.Starman3000.com/ Mike Ramirez

    Friends, Christians, countrymen – lend me a moment. We’ve allowed theological disagreements to continually divide us from the simplicity of the Truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and turned on one another instead of turning to God. We are to be defenders of our faith in Christ not defenders of the church we attend. There Is Only One Truth and that is Faith in The Lord Jesus Christ. All churches are not perfect but only God is Perfect and only God is Good.

    This week, of all times, should be a remembrance of the price that Christ paid to bring God’s forgiveness and Salvation to all who will accept Him as personal Lord and Saviour. It’s the Message we must keep in our hearts and share with others that God is willing that no one should perish but come to repentance and faith in His Only Begotten Son, Yeshua HaMashiach. By Faith are we saved and through this faith we are to love, not attack, one another if we are truly Children of God. We need a “time-out” to stop and pray, ask God to forgive us of our sins and shortcomings and ask Him to let us see one another as brother and sister and focus on the love He commands of us – if indeed His Spirit dwells in us..

    “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” (John 13:34-35)

    “We love because he first loved us. Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.”
    (1 John 4:19-21)
    Taking a temporary hiatus from these discussions :)

    • Julie LaBrecque

      Thank you, Mike. We’re still playing ball, aren’t we. Maybe it’s time for the 7th inning stretch.

      • http://www.Starman3000.com/ Mike Ramirez

        The “game” has been called due to un-sportsman-like conduct. :)

        All sides have allowed doctrinal differences to create some sort of animosity through various disagreements. We are to encourage one another in the Faith that is in Christ. Arguing over doctrinal differences, dogma, traditions, etc. are what actually take away the peace, love and joy that God wants us to each have in our lives. Counterproductive disputes over doctrine have been going on since the first-century and will continue on and on. The question is, do we really want to be part of it? God’s Children are expected to turn to Him for Guidance and to behave one toward another.

        “Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them.” (Romans 14:1-3)

        Love to you and have a good weekend. :)

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Sorry to disagree, but Isaac, and Isaac alone, is the child of the covenant. Ishmael received a promise of being fertile and make a great nation, but NO covenant was made with him. I think God even declared that Ishmael would be a wild ass (beast?) of a man, Abraham was not unfaithful, he is our Father in Faith. All human beings are children of God, but not all are children of the Covenant unless they have entered into the Covenant according to its terms. Until a Muslim will accept that God DOES HAVE A SON, and accept the covenant that Jesus made in the upper room, they not in covenant with God. I do believe that God can “bring in” to his covenant peoples, some outside, but only at His discretion, Rahab, etc. We have to go by the rules the Covenant maker set out.

    • Woody

      Good point on the “Covenant;” this is the part Dusty is missing-Jesus brought a “new Covenant,” thus, she thinks Christians should be worshiping in accord with the old Hebrew Covenant; if she had her way she would be circumsizing men today–a practice which was also “Old Covenant,” and given the boot. (I’m glad ’cause it hurts, and she don’t care cause she was born that way.” A boo on her!

      • Julie LaBrecque

        She probably doesn’t know that Baptism is to the New Covenant what circumcision was to the Old.

        • Woody

          Yes, my Irish mom once told me to “watch out for girls with a knife or you may become a girl yourself..can’t wait to see her again–She also told me (when I was nine) “when you get married some day don’t ever tell you wife the truth.” I was taken aback. I said, “but mom–why! I thought love and marriage and all that..” She said, “because you don’t want to make her cry. do you…” hmmm, now after 2 wives I know mom was right–every time I told them the truth–they would cry…
          now I am tight lipped with this one…
          Happy Good Friday (to all)

          • Julie LaBrecque

            HGF to you too.

          • Woody

            Wow, you mean those damned Catlics pray on Good Friday, too. Aye. What is the world coming to?
            God Bless

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Woody, now you know darn good and well that Catholics don’t pray! (I kissed the cross, too, 3 hrs ago)

  • sumsrent

    I agree…

    • Woody

      Why does it not surprise me you worship on Saturday…under the old Covenant…oR are you like Dusty who, like the Pharisees accused Jesus of “breaking the Sabbath?’

      • sumsrent

        I NEVER said I worship only on Saturday… you’re a liar.

  • Woody

    Who cares? The early Church changed it just as they did the ritual of circumcision. What authority? Jesus, who gave his Church leaders the wherewithal ” “Whatsoever you bind on earth I will bind in Heaven; what soever you loose upon earth I will loose in Heaven.” Binding and loosing under the old Jewish laws meant the changing of religious precepts. Protestants get all bent out of shape on this but they are being hypocritical since they go to church on Sunday–so don’t see their beef (as usual).
    It was changed to honor Jesus “Resurrection” and appropriately so. Jesus brought a “new” covenant, not stuck with the old.

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  • Debbie Hogan Tate

    Thank you, Walid! Thank you for converting to Christianity and for opening our eyes to what is really going on. I trust you and your reporting more than any MSM reporting. You speak the truth when the MSM ignores it and prints what is the potus point of view! May God bless you and keep you safe. I love your website and the very informative articles. God had bigger plans for you than being a terrorist. So glad you heard Him calling out to you. Keep up the wonderful work in keeping us informed.

  • Irv Spielberg

    OBAMA AVOIDS BIBLE VERSES !

    Here are some Bible verses that Pres. Obama avoids:
    Proverbs 19:10 (NIV): “It is not fitting for a fool to live in luxury – how much worse for a slave to rule over princes!”
    Also Proverbs 30:22 (NIV) which says that the earth cannot bear up under “a servant who becomes king.”
    And Ecclesiastes 5:2-3 (KJV) advises: “let thy words be few…a fool’s voice is known by multitude of words.”
    Although Obama is not descended from slaves, he may feel that he’s destined to become a black-slavery avenger.
    Or maybe an enslaver of all free citizens!

  • GIGfriend22

    Sometime I wonder if the dome rock was the third temple to be warned about…..?? I do not recall it in scripture that a worshiping building was going to be there before the third temple…..

  • Fr Christopher P. Kelley, DD

    What MATTERS is the LIES being propagated by false teachers, who use their influence to split the Church, deceive the simple-minded, create chaos in families, fan the flames of fanaticism and hatred, all to their own benefit, keeping the followers of their cults in bondage to themselves, setting themselves haughtily on high as the founts of truth, AGAINST the Whole Church of the Ages. They thrive on confusion.
    ANY day we give wholly to the LORD is good. But He also calls us to UNITY, — and a VISIBLE UNITY — such that the non-believers will be convinced of the Messiahship of JESUS.
    These perverse teachers, on the other hand, create havoc, and do the devil’s work.
    That is why I strive mightily to speak the Truth of Christ into the welter of nonsense spewed by the cultists.

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