Shocking: Muslims Are Now Declaring Erdogan As God

By Walid Shoebat

As shocking as it may be, Erdogan is being proclaimed as God amongst diehard leaders in Turkey. And if in doubt, read this (link here) Erdogan proclaimed himself as God.

Everyday I wake up I am not just shocked at what I find in my researches on Erdogan of Turkey, but amazed in awe how closer this man is beginning to mimic what the biblical prophets of old declared as The Antichrist proclaiming himself to be God in 2 Thessalonians 2.

As shocking as you just read it, wait till you read this article by Mustafa Akyol (a columnist for Al-Monitor’s Turkey Pulse, the Turkish Hurriyet Daily News, The International New York Times and The Wall Street Journal) and be amazed that reputable writers are now documenting that Erdogan is literally viewed by many Muslims as “God”. You heard it correctly.

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Aykol writes of Erdogan’s cult of personality:

“In a recent book, Recep Tayyip Erdogan: The Sun of the Age,” Aykol writes “proudly gives him titles that only belong to deity which would sound bizarre, if not heretical”.

Indeed, I am not sure if Aykol is aware, to the Wahhabist Muslim this is true, but not the Sufi Muslim who believes in the Sufi doctrine of “Fana” in which man becomes God. Aykol adds:

“In 2011, an AKP deputy declared, “Even touching Erdogan is a form of worship,” and in 2014 another AKP deputy proclaimed that Erdogan “carries all the attributes of Allah in himself.”

“The Sun of the Age,” and “carries all the attributes of Allah in himself” and “Even touching Erdogan is a form of worship,” qualifies Erdogan to fit what none of us Christians who would ever doubt what was already proclaimed in the Bible:

Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers, not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. – 2 Thessalonians 2 1-4

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AKP deputy Duzce Miletvekili Feavi Arslan proclaimed that Erdogan “carries all the attributes of Allah in himself.”

So where are the Naysayers now who for years ridiculed us saying that it is impossible for a Muslim to qualify since Muslims can never deify a man? Shoebat.com predicted this will be the outcome last year and and even explained it theologically from a Muslim perspective (read here).

We in fact even illustrated, before Erdogan’s coming out of the closet this very issue, by quoting the most infamous of Islamic Sufi writers, Rumi, when he wrote of how the goal of the Sufi is to become divine via Fana (eliminating the self to become God):

Remember the famous utterance of al-Hallaj, “I am God.” People think that to say “I am God” is a claim of great pretense and spiritual arrogance. It is actually a claim of extreme humility. “I am God” means “I do not exist.” He is all, everything is He, existence is God’s alone. I am without existence, pure non-existence. I am nothing.” “I am God” is not a claim of great pretension, it is a claim of extreme humility. There is more humility in this than any supposed claim to greatness, but people do not understand the inner meaning. When a man acknowledges his servitude to God, he is aware of his being a servant. He may see himself as a devoted servant of God, but he still sees himself and his own actions as apart from the one reality of God. He is not drowned in the Ocean of Divine Unity. Drowned is he in whom there is not separate motion or mobility. Drowned is he whose movement is the movement of the water. And so it is with the enlightenment ones, those who declares, “I am God.” Anyone who says “I am the servant of God” asserts the reality of two existences, one for himself and the other for God. But he who says “I am God” — and has realized the deepest levels of unity within his being — has seen through the illusion of his existence. He knows from the experience of unity that his own separate existence is nothing but an illusion. Knowing that, he casts its former selfhood upon the winds of oblivion. (Rumi, Hearts bear witness one to another, in The Complete Discourses of Jalal al-Din Rumi, discourse 11, p. 75, ed. Louis Rogers)

And now we understand Erdogan’s show of humility and tears when viewed by Muslims. Erdogan is a master of great deception. This is the first time in history that this connect was made. And it is not as if Erdogan is unaware of Rumi’s theology. Far from it. It was no surprise to us that the president of Turkey, Erdogan even praised Rumi’s work, revealing that he himself is not only Sufi but that he also believes in Fana “the art annihilation and becoming God himself”. Why else would Erdogan praise Rumi’s work The Masnavisaying:

“A work can live for more than seven centuries only if it is written with love”.

The Masnavi is amongst Rumi’s most popular works, and it is in this very book that the idea of man becoming divine is adulated. He praises the Sufi declaration “I am the Truth!” saying, “Mansur’s ‘I am the Truth!’ was purest light” (Masnavi, 2.307, trans. Mojaddedi)

When Christ said “I am The Truth” He was declaring Himself to be God Almighty. Likewise in Sufi Islam, this also exists, yet mimicking Christ. In Sufi Islam for one to exclaim, “I am the Truth,” is to say “I am God!”

While some of these people who deify Erdogan are Islamists others are secular figures who praise Erdogan  for making Turkey a powerful country and for crushing the “traitors” of the nation. Notably, some of these secular pundits have become pro-Erdogan only in the past few years and have outdone most Islamists in the ranks of the AKP in their zeal to defend the “founding leader of New Turkey.”

All this besides Erdogan’s metamorphosis into an outspoken Islamist calling to serve the God Allah and advance his glory via warfare and martyrdom (see Daniel 11).  The most striking example of this troubling metamorphosis was the speech he made during a ceremony held March 16 in the presidential palace to award “state honor medals” to army veterans and families of fallen soldiers.

“These lands remain our home because every singly citizen of this 78 million-strong country — men and women alike, even the children and the elderly — see martyrdom as an honor when necessary. Otherwise, we wouldn’t have been allowed to stay a single day here,” he said.

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“Don’t even think that the struggle that began 1,400 years ago between the truth [Islam] and fallacy [other beliefs] is over. Don’t even think that those who set an eye on these lands 1,000 years ago have given up their ambitions. Don’t even think that those who turned up at the Dardanelles, and then across Anatolia 100 years ago, coming with the most powerful armies, weapons and technology of the time, have repented. No, they never did so. This long-standing struggle is going on and will go on,” he added.

Erdogan wants to declare war, again, against the “strongest fortresses” to “advance his god” (Daniel 11) while at the same time wants to “proclaim himself to be god” (2 Thessalonians 2).

Erdogan went on to say, “We have to keep toiling with this awareness, always ready for one of the two beautiful [eventualities], and take measures accordingly.” What he meant by two “beautiful” eventualities was becoming a “martyr” or “ghazi.” In the Islamic sense, a martyr is someone who sacrifices his life in the name of Allah, while “ghazi” is a title of the Muslim who advances the cause of Allah in war.

Hakan Albayrak, one of the leading activists in the 2010 Gaza flotilla, wrote a critical open letter to Erdogan March 22 in his new Islamist daily, Dirilis Postasi. Albayrak was nonetheless supportive of Erdogan, but longed for the days when he shared power with other figures, among them former President Abdullah Gul. Albayrak soon learned that even the most respectful of criticism is unwelcome. A website operated by the Sabah group, i.e., Team Erdogan headquarters, accused him and two other similarly supportive-but-critical journalists of “treachery” against Erdogan, “the leader of a struggle awaited for a century.” Erdogan in other words is an awaited Messiah.

“The Islamist scene, however, has become a bit more complicated as of late, with “Erdoganism” morphing into an ideology unto itself, disillusioning veterans of Turkey’s Islamist movement” writes Aykol.

ERDOGAN IS LURING ISRAEL

With Erdogan and Israel, it is as if the devil possessed the man telling him to lure the Jews in readiness to rebuild them a temple. The other shocker was Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s silence during the recent Israeli election campaign, despite controversial remarks about the Palestinians, and the reopening of a synagogue in Edrine might signal a change in in his methods with Israel. Ibrahim Kalin, Erdogan’s devoted adviser, even published a moderate and thoughtful analysis March 24 about the Israeli election results attempting to convince his readers that the only way for Netanyahu to achieve his goal of a secure Israel is through a just and lasting peace with the Palestinians. Erdogan wants to be the peacemaker and divider of God’s land (Joel 3).

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Even after the Israeli elections, a lavish ceremony was held March 27 in the city of Edirne, in northwestern Turkey, to re-consecrate the city’s Great Synagogue. In its glory days in the early 20th century, it was the largest synagogue in the Balkans and the third-largest in Europe. The impressive building, designed as a replica of the Leopoldstaedter Temple in Vienna, was renovated by the Turkish government at a cost of $1.7 million. Just a few months ago, in November 2014, the governor of Edirne province, Dursun Ali Sahin, caused a controversy when he called for the synagogue to be confiscated from the Jewish community and turned into a museum because of what he called “the rumblings of war from the [Israeli] criminals, who are destroying the Al-Aqsa Mosque and killing Muslims there.”

Erdogan aiding in building a temple for the Jews in Edrine is no accident, Erdogan himself wants to sit in a Jewish Temple and in Hagia Sophia, the Temple of The Word of God.

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The ceremony was intended to be an expression of Turkey’s tolerance and openness toward the Jews, who had long ago left Edirne. Representatives of the Jewish community were invited to attend, along with top-level Turkish officials, as would be expected according to protocol. A number of them actually showed up. Even Israel’s chief rabbis were invited, but at the suggestion of the Foreign Ministry, they chose to remain in Jerusalem. Israeli diplomats serving in Turkey, however, attended the event.

Deputy Prime Minister Bulent Arinc, who had apologized to the Jewish community on behalf of the Turkish government for Sahin’s remarks, called on all Jews who so desire to come and live in his country. Arinc was trying to supplant any expressions of anti-Semitism, which has been rearing its head in Turkey and which, according to a report by the Anti-Defamation League, is directly connected to public statements by senior politicians about Israel.

This makes it impossible to ignore that the message being conveyed by the ceremony at the Edirne synagogue was not simply one of inclusiveness and brotherhood toward the Jews, but also one of reconciliation, or at least of “good intentions” by the Turkish government toward the State of Israel.

Erdogan being declared as “God”, preaching on war and martyrdom, while preparing peace with Israel and the Jews is some Antichrist deadly combination.

It is now no wonder why Erdogan of Turkey introduced the latest state-of-the-art innovation to Turkish politics, resorting to a tool usually found only in science-fiction books: The hologram which reflected Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s image as he addressed his worshippers in İzmir. Erdogan through trickery, wants to be an omnipresent type of leader and is luring the entire Muslim world.

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Turkey will lure Israel with a 7 years covenant of death (Isaiah 28:14-22) and a treaty will be signed in Egypt thinking it preserved the Egypt-Israel Camp David accord. By this “peace” Turkey “will deceive many” and “Islam” will appear as “a peaceful religion”, so by peace the Antichrist will deceive many.

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  • Eric

    Well. . .the ball’s rolling. . .

    • Kamau41

      Yes indeed.

      • Eric

        How quickly? No clue.

  • Saxon Warrior

    The thing is, Islam is not the truth despite Erdogan’s insistence that it is. Islam is a diabolical lie.

    • RadgetWIFI

      It sure is, Saxon!

  • waffle_anna

    Wow.. shyte hits the fan earlier than I expected. This will get ugly.

  • RadgetWIFI

    Turkey is the seat of Satan.

    • WinkyVonTrollStuffer

      I just read that somewhere in the NT speaking of Ephesus I think which is in Turkey.

      • Trevor

        Seven churches Jesus spoke to in Revelation was all located in Turkey.

        • Steve Smith

          Trevor, they were still there till the 1920s then came the population exchange and the carnage.

          • Fr Christopher P. Kelley, DD

            Western powers with ships off the coast of Asia Minor gave orders to do nothing while the Turks massacred fleeing Greek Christians, and dynamited historic churches, fearing that if the Greeks were able to return, they might reclaim them.

          • Grandmere

            Thank you father. So many don’t know.

          • Fr Christopher P. Kelley, DD

            There are photos of Greek skulls piled up on the wharves, massacred while they pleaded for ships to ferry them away.
            Scandalous! — And this, less than a decade after the West
            did NOTHING to count for, in the face of the Armenian Genocide.

      • Pergamum.

        • susan

          Mum is the word.

          • EBH54

            I stayed up to late last night!

            Bird is the word!

      • j7h

        Pergamum/Pergamus is called the set of Satan in Revelations 3. It’s in Turkey.

  • Infidel woman

    Turkey will soon be dancing with a Satan. Erdogan is the most dangerous man alive and should be dispatched immediately for the sake of world peace.

    • susan

      Puts a whole new twist on ballroom dancing.

  • Does he declare himself to be God? Do we have a statement of him doing that? There seems to be some allusion to that fact he agrees with Rumi. There is the suggestion he would want to be called God. But to me this is still a far cry off from this clear warning of Paul:

    “He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.” – 2 Thessalonians 2:4

    My other issue is him going into the temple. Israel doesn’t even have that yet. Next, if they did, I don’t see Netanyahu or Israel letting him prance around Jerusalem to go into the temple to declare himself to be God.

    The Muslims calling Erdogan “god” to me is more telling of their corrupt and reprobate mind than it is of him being the anti-Christ of Daniel/2 Thessalonians.

    • CORRECT ZINNY. I was going to write another article to expound on what we have vs. what is missing. We don’t yet have everything, but this shows that the Turks are moving that direction.

      • Eric

        So what we’re seeing is a sort of indicator in the direction the Turks are moving, sort of like a foreshadowing of what is to come, correct?

        • RodK1975

          IMO, Eric, you’ve pin pointed another aspect of this whole thing. I think a lot of people are expecting all of this stuff to just appear overnight out of thin air. However, I believe it’s going to develop, at some pace whether fast or slow, and that’s what’s so great about this website and Mr Shoebat’s work is that he’s looking and finding areas where things are developing yet retaining caution in going too far in interpreting events beyond their due significances.

          • theophorus

            Most christians, waiting for a Roman antichrist named Carpathia and the pope to be the false prophet won’t even recognize what’s happening.

          • Trevor

            If you take a look at some the garbage being spewed by the Anti-Catholic brigade, you will be right on.

          • See my message to theophorus.

          • Trevor

            I am really sorry for the crap you have to put up with from the anti-Catholic brigade.

          • Grandmere

            They better watch out. They might be left behind.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Snap!

          • j7h

            Great come back, Julie!

          • there are two camps, the lazy who want to vanish while doing nothing but slander and the good servant who follows the tract that God ordained. This Carpathia thing is for the lazies which I know that you’r not dearest theophorus.

          • Eric

            Right, Rod. I love the fact that Mr. Shoebat and Ted never “jump the gun”, and make solid statements on bigger issues. When Mr. Shoebat pointed out in an interview with Pat Robertson on the 700 Club, prophecy has multiple fufilments. I’ve held to that ever since. And secondly, people don’t realize often how slowly prophecy unfolds. Christ’s first coming took what, 4,000 years to fully come to pass? People shouldn’t expect every End Times thing to happen overnight, or even in the same year. God does not rush.

          • susan

            He does not rush. If you haven’t started to give to save your brethren, now is the time to begin.

          • Eric

            Susan, that is on my mind all the time. I’m saving some money just for that. It’s been something I’ve been wanting to do for a while, but unfortunately didn’t have the financial means to do so the past few months. But coming up soon, I will. My family and I are in a tight financial situation at the moment, but believe me, Rescue Christians is on our minds, and we’ll help as soon as we’re able.

          • susan

            That reminds me, I need to give the latest collection. Thank you.

          • Eric

            You’re welcome. 🙂

          • Grandmere

            May God bless you and your little jar. It is like the widow’s cruze of oil. I do love you so.

          • Finally, someone who correctly read that little screen inside my mind. We say look here, there are millions here with badges on their foreheads, and we say look there is a man whom the multitudes want to deify, but look, here is the text which says he sits in the Temple, yet which temple, where, we don’t exactly know everything yet, so wait and while you wait look above and stay the course.

          • RodK1975

            Yes, exactly. People should be wary to “rightly divide the word of truth”. My dad always warned me “don’t put all your eggs in one basket”. If we put all of our end-time eggs into the “Rome” basket or the “American Babylon” basket or “Euro-trash Antichrist” basket we’re doomed. Jesus said to look “up”. It’s funny, the Jews in Jesus’ day knew the scriptures far better than most of us do today and they missed Jesus the first time, yet, many are so arrogant as to think they have it all figured out and will not miss him this time around. We’ve been admonished not to be deceived, if things were so easy to figure out, would Jesus and the Apostles have warned us so frequently not to be deceived?

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Your last statement makes absolute straw out of the pre-tribulation rapture belief.

          • RodK1975

            Yeah… hard to be deceived if you aren’t here. It’s exquisitely hard to know the full details of a prophecy’s fulfillment until after it’s fulfilled. Luckily, Mr. Shoebat has us in the ballpark. Which I think is about as close as we can get.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Exactly – and, Jesus words that the time has been shortened else no flesh would be saved are emptied of any meaning.

          • RodK1975

            Right… And lest we forget what He said about false Christs and false prophets leading astray “the elect” if possible.

          • susan

            Amen.

          • AnthonyM

            Hi Julie, I’m confused or don’t understand your statement. Do you mind explaining? Thanks!

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Regarding those who hold to a pre-tribulation rapture, Jesus admonition not to be deceived, that even the ‘elect’ might be deceived by the false Christ; his words that unless the time had been cut short, no flesh would be saved – all disprove anybody being raptured out before crap hits the fan.

          • AnthonyM

            Understood, thanks for the explanation.

          • j7h

            Amen!

        • correct Eric. It is as when Israel saw John The Baptist, it meant that the Messiah is around the corner. So if we see a man proclaimed as God, we should be watchful. This is part of the message in 2 Thess 2.

          • Eric

            All right. Just wanted to make sure I was on the right page. 🙂

      • Everything you’ve been reporting on has been helpful so please keep up the excellent work. As I listened to you on Savage the other day I realized what a prize we have in one who can understand the Arabic and see through the Berghdahl’s for example. Your work is very important. I keep reminding myself in all things, we have to be sober and vigilant; whether we can see the things of the future or we are still dimly. So thank you!

    • susan

      Has he denied what they claim?

    • Now I can say Yes, read the new post dedicated to your question Vinny

  • Kamau41

    Walid, thank you once again for the heads up on the critical details of this rising Sufi Islamist Metamorphous Erdogan and the amazing hard work you do from both a Biblical/Historical viewpoint to help us understand what is happening. You did indeed predict this very accurately just last year. Thank God you did not listen to the naysayers years ago. To witness how the Prophetic Words of Dan 11, Joel 3 and, 2 Thessalonians 2 are unfolding right in front of eyes is stunning!

  • Impeach Obama Now!

    Hey Obama! A man is known by the company he keeps!

  • He will not honor the desire of women.

    • susan

      To him women are no better than animals to use for breeding.

  • Trevor

    Incredible.

    Erdogan is called The Sun of Age.

    Jesus is called the Sun of Righteousness.

    Astonishing.

    • RodK1975

      It’s almost shocking, isn’t it?

      • Trevor

        Yeah. That was one of the first thing to grab my attention.

        Deep breath. The worst isn’t here yet but its coming.

        • RodK1975

          Yeah, it’s the first thing I noticed too. I was like… “Whaaa….” lol

        • susan

          You can feel it.

          • Trevor

            Loved those cartoons. I still watch them sometime on YouTube.

          • Grandmere

            I loved the way his ears drooped when he realized what was about to happen.

          • susan

            🙂

  • xavier

    yeah Walid, If only we had a particular timeline of things to happen in Chronological order

    • susan

      What would you do if you knew? How would/could that change things?

      • xavier

        To b really honest I just wanted to know if it had something in sync

      • xavier

        I mean atleast we’ll know what’s next

        • susan

          Even if someone could give you a time…you would still.ask..What does it mean? And you might draw the wrong conclusion.
          God is in control. We can rest assuredly. 🙂

          • xavier

            🙂 ya I agree since many of the prophecies actually sounds impossible but have come to past, we should just leave it to God then 🙂

    • Another American?

      • xavier

        Who me 😀 na na im an Indian Frm Mumbai 😛 sorry but I just wanted to know if there was something which puts all theses prophecies in a sync 😀 nothing other than that

  • RodK1975

    “The hologram which reflected Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s image as he addressed his worshippers in İzmir.”

    And everyone is so sure that the “Image of the beast” is a talking statue… It very well could be a hologram…

    • I have entertained the hologram concept for a few years now Rod. You might be right about that.

  • Trevor

    More thoughts.

    Erdogan helping the Grand Synagogue being renovated should not be a surprise, I agree, and it may be through Erdogan that Israel signs a covenant with Shoel, as God predicted thousand of years ago.

    Glory be to God though! For Christ will cancel that covenant with Shoel at His return.

    Hold fast to our confession of Faith and cling to the cross like a life raft.

  • momprayn

    Can he be the “Mahdi” they are expecting be the same then? I posted on a previous thread this “interesting” article re the timeline the Sunni’s have declared for all this. ??? In case it was missed — Excerpts:

    ————————————————————————————————–
    “In the latest evidence of this messianic fervor, a mainstream Sunni Muslim website has decreed that the Islamic messiah, called the Mahdi, will appear this year or in 2016 and that the Muslim Jesus will return in 2022 to conquer the world for Islam.

    DiscoveringIslam.org and the End Times Research Center have calculated that the “first phase” of the end of time will begin soon and lead to the “Day of Judgment” in seven years.

    The estimates were derived from “the latest research” into numerical analysis of the Quran, Hadith, Arabic words and historical events,” according to DiscoveringIslam.org.

    “The Messenger of Allah [sallallahu ‘alayhi wa-sallam] informed the Companions of everything that would occur until the Day of Resurrection,” the website reports.

    “Based on our numerical analysis of the Quran and Hadith, the official beginning of the End of Time and the coming of the Imam Mahdi will most likely be in 2015 (or 2016) and Jesus Christ (p) will come down from Heaven to Earth in 2022, in-sha Allah (if Allah is willing),” the website reported.”

    http://www.wnd.com/2015/03/mah

  • Shannon E

    Erdogan looking like Adolph’s identical twin was enough to make me take notice. I mean, what are the odds of that?! creepy!

  • susan

    His days have been shortened.

  • Be as wise as serpents

    • William Roach

      Walid,
      I want to ask you how can Saudis Arabia be the harlot. In order to be a whore you have to be a virgin first.were they ever a part of the church?

      • Julie LaBrecque

        ‘Babylon’ is not the church.

  • You must be an American, right? With Americans, God says “Thus says the Lord” and they answer “Give us a timeline”.

    • susan

      🙂

  • Eric

    I would imagine, Molon

  • AnthonyM

    Interesting.

  • AnthonyM

    It is great to be able to read about these happenings. You won’t hear about it on MSNBC, or the White House spokesman, for sure.

  • RodK1975

    Anything is possible, ChiRho, it could be both

  • Julie LaBrecque

    You’re right, no pre-trib rapture – why would Jesus & Paul give such strong admonitions not to be deceived if we weren’t here to be deceived; also, why would Jesus state that the time had been cut short else no flesh would be saved?

    • Kamau41

      Indeed. Great response.

  • susan

    Everyone will have to make a decision.

  • Trevor

    Indeed. It was the sun part that made me sit up.

  • Trevor

    Look in the article and there’s a link to the Shoebat’s research on the Hagia Sophia which have Muslims calling for it to be converted back into a mosque.

    Israel is rumored to be planning a construction on their 3rd temple.

    So much needs to take place.

  • Grandmere

    They have all of the vessels, table of showbread, candlesticks, vestments, etc all ready to go. They are stunningly beautiful. You can see them on the internet.

  • Grandmere

    Welcome. I’m looking forward to your posts. As you know we sometimes get a little rowdy but we are all longing for His appearing.

  • theophorus

    Yes I too wonder about the meaning of ‘little horn’

  • AnthonyM

    You are so ignorant in the area of religion, s_c. ‘The sovereign citizen movement is a loose grouping of American litigants, commentators, tax protesters and financial-scheme promoters. Self-described sovereign citizens take the position that they are answerable only to their particular interpretation of the common law’. Like Obama, they feel they are above the law.

    • waffle_anna

      This guy is so ignorant of church history that such inflammatory comments do not faze me anymore. His “church” has been founded millennia AFTER Jesus ascended into Heaven. “You shall know them by their fruits.”

      • AnthonyM

        You’re right. I would do myself a favor by ignoring it. And do the environment a favor also, as the servers don’t have to use additional energy to store useless data.

        • susan

          It’s getting to the point that these posters aren’t worth the time. Eventually they’ll see the truth or believe the lie. Even the squirrels know enough to pass on these nuts.

          • AnthonyM

            LOL, good one.

          • Grandmere

            I am not going there anymore. All they want is attention.

    • Julie LaBrecque

      They are so wrong-headed, try to make the church a democracy rather than what it is: a Kingdom.

  • Kamau41

    You are now starting to think right!

  • its a very minor website, insignificant

  • Obama proclaimed himself as God? When? Where? Is Obama from Pergamum, the seat of Antichrist?

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Why did Jesus warn that even the elect might be deceived – if the elect have been raptured out? Why would he state that the time has been shortened else no flesh would be saved?

  • Welcome Jean, feel at home.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Do you have scripture for that?

    • Grandmere

      I guarantee he doesn’t.

  • j7h

    I lived in Turkey too. Yes, women will indeed suffer. They have been for centuries, under This religion. It will get worse. Glad to meet you, Sister.

    • Grandmere

      Satan hates THE woman, therefore he hates all women. Women bring into the world those made in the image of God.

  • j7h

    I lived there in the 80’s and early 90’s. It was more European then, too, in SOME ways and in SOME locations. But you had to live there for longer than a year, live off the bases or posts and really get into the culture. Or at least just be really paying attention. The barbaric was there all along, and it would pop up frequently. It’s more about what Westerners wanted to see – because like I said, it was there all along. They jjust aren’t as interested in keeping up appearances now, so they aren’t hiding it as much as they were.

  • j7h

    Yes, and systematically assassinated.

  • j7h

    That would be the right way to put all your eggs into one basket.
    ; )

  • RodK1975

    That’s the one occasion that it was ok for me to put all my eggs in one basket…

  • j7h

    Good for you, Tonya! And welcome. Some conversations can get a little heated in here, but we have fun chatting and exchanging ideas – even when we disagree.

  • j7h

    I think it will still be a literal building, specifically a sign the Jews will recognize.

  • j7h

    I have had a passing thought about that too.

  • RodK1975

    Welcome, Jean to Walid Shoebat’s Falafel Stand/Insane Asylum… We’re all crazy… so… yeah… pull up a chair and grab a glass of tea!

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Jesus wouldn’t warn us not to be deceived by men that claimed to be him if we were going to be ‘raptured’ before this occurs.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Awesome, and welcome aboard – all our donations/alms to help rescue/support the persecuted are far more valuable than anything else we could contribute to. “Above all, let your love for each other be intense, because love covers a multitude of sin.” 1 Peter 4:8. With the book – you will not be disappointed. I’ve read mine four times, still use it for reference.

  • SuzyQ

    And you will be glued to that book for many, many days and nights…as I am in reading it and re-reading it nightly. Simple to read but so much to digest. I love it.

  • Jean Maida Dunn

    Thank You Phil aka Felipe.that is exactly what I needed a quick reminder of how far away I am, and how much work on myself needs to be done. The journey is long wasted my whole life with nonsense when I should have stayed close to Lord all along.Some lessons are difficult but sometimes welcomed in order to see and hear exactly what it is that we should be doing. Thank You for the warm welcome

  • RodK1975

    Well, the world calls us crazy and insane for our faith in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, so I figure we should wear it as a badge of honor! Thank you and again, welcome, Jean!

  • EBH54

    Well said!

  • These are good points!

  • ROT_SOLDIER,

    My desire is that you become a devout Christian before a student of the end times. The end times are important, but I think we all forget, we have been in the “end times” since Christ resurrected. When Jesus appeared to his disciples for the last time, they were still curious about the end, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?” (Acts 1:6). He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” See what was important was not times and dates, but the power of the Holy Spirit to come upon us, to be his witnesses “to the ends of the earth.” Then:

    “After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight. They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.” (Acts 1:9-11)

    Look at this powerful blessing we have today. To communicate with people all over the world. To share the gospel of Jesus Christ, our great God and savior. My friend, the apostle Paul said it better than I ever could (Romans 8:1-11):

    ” Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you[a]free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh,[b] God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering.[c] And so he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God. You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life[d]because of righteousness. And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of[e] his Spirit who lives in you.”

    Do the end times call for wisdom? Yes. Should we be vigilant and aware? Yes. Does God desire all men to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth? Yes. Romans 13:11, “And do this, understanding the present time: The hour has already come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed.” If it is nearer now, it is because we are always approaching the time of the end. But the priority is salvation, not “eschatological” knowledge of the end.

    “How shall we escape if we ignore so great a salvation? This salvation, which was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard him” (Hebrews 2:3). Finally, “For he says, “In the time of my favor I heard you, and in the day of salvation I helped you.” I tell you, now is the time of God’s favor, now is the day of salvation.” 2 Corinthians 6:2. Peace to you my friend!

  • Fr Christopher P. Kelley, DD

    WHO says a “threshing floor” as to be FLAT, or horizontal?? That is only if it is worked by animal power. Find pictures of “primitive farmers” threshing, and you will often find them casting the wheat & chaff into the air, and it falling down all around them, the wind taking off a little bit of the chaff each time. More effective is the use of a SLOPING “floor” or surface, which causes the heavier grain to run back toward the farmer, so he does not have to scrape it together for each new toss. The purer grain catches in a trough at the bottom of the slope, making the farmer’s work more efficient for the energy spent.
    This is precisely what we find under the Dome of the Rock. See the detailed examination of archaeological and architectural detail done by Leen Ritmeyer. Furthermore, he has a copy of a rare photo from the gallery of the Dome (artistry of enslaved Byzantine Christian craftsmen, by the way) looking down on the top of the Rock. It clearly shows a rectangular space that is the precise dimensions of the Ark of the Covenant, specified in Exodus. This is not set like an “altar” in a church, at right angles, but in line with the axis of the Temple of Solomon, East-to-West. This is where the team of Levite bearers would set it down, without further ado, in the Holy of Holies.

  • Fr Christopher P. Kelley, DD

    “LORD” should be in all caps, too. The Sacred Name of Yeshu’a is “KYRIOS” — a Greek word, derived from the Persian (cf, Kyrus), meaning “The Emperor of Heaven.”
    Greek-speaking Jews used this as the substitute for the Sacred Name when reading the Bible either in Greek or Hebrew, lest they violate the Commandment about the Name of the LORD, even inadvertently.
    Emp. Caligula attempted to force all Romans to call him “Kyrios”, in the same decade that Christians so titled JESUS! The Temple authorities in Jerusalem sent an embassy to Rome to plead that they could only use that title for their GOD, begging an exception, which Claudius did grant them (after Caligula was assassinated by his own bodyguards).

    Jews in the First Century treated the Sacred Name as so Holy that the High Priest only uttered it aloud once a year, on Yom Kippur, and only within the Holy of Holies.

    I encourage all to capitalize “Name” when referring to the Sacred Name in Scripture. Visually, this helps us get across the dignity and significance the Bible itself attaches to ha-Shem Adonai.

    • Julie

      Thanks Fr. Our parochial vicar at Mass was saying the name of Y….w was removed because it was just too sacred to speak out…a poster here was talking about the Karraites…spelling … Jewish sect that was akin to Sola Scriptura….opposing this thinking this was taking us away from calling out to the Lord in His proper name.

      Can you follow me on this? So is this your insight? All this happening after the destruction of the Temple by the Romans?

      • Fr Christopher P. Kelley, DD

        Julie, I’m not sure I quite understand your question.
        Pope Benedict wisely restored the use of LORD in the Mass, in place of the Hebrew Sacred Name of GOD. It helps us by getting us closer to the Jewish piety about the Sacred Name at the time of our Lord JESUS’ birth.
        Notice how Elizabeth asks, “Why is this [great privilege] granted to me that the Mother of my LORD [=GOD] should come to me?” (St Luke 1:43) And Mary undoubtedly bowed her head when singing her Magnificat, “And HOLY is His Name.” (1:49)
        Caligula was around 40AD; the destruction of the Temple was in 70AD.
        I hope this helps as an answer toward your question.

        • Julie

          Hi Fr Christopher…

          The actual article I am referring to….is from the one regarding having a Muslim play Christ’ in Bill O’Reilly’s source, ‘Killing Jesus’.

          If you scroll down to Linda Hamilton’s remark to me, she talks about what happened to a Karraite Jew for wanting to keep the name “Yahweh” used…when the Roman government didn’t.

          She gave background of which I had never heard of.

          I thought over time at Mass it was said that the name called God had changed over different periods…and that we Christians call God as “Lord”, as you indicate here.

          She provides some interesting background on Jewish practices.

          Thank you and sorry about the question on the wrong thread!

          Blessed Good Friday!

  • Fr Christopher P. Kelley, DD

    Note: Revelation (Apokalypsis) is singular. It is all a singular unveiling to St John.

  • Fr Christopher P. Kelley, DD

    But Turkish men are seeing Western women as wives, and have done so for a long time. The outcome is often tragic for the woman, and her children. Again, HEED THE WARNINGS!

  • Trevor

    Yes. The fatal wound was the defeat of the Ottoman Empire. That’s why we are seeing the revival of it before our eyes.

  • Trevor

    I’m sorry but the internal consistency of God’s Word demand there to be consistency.

    Paul spoke more of the 2nd Coming than about any idea of the rapture. To isolate a doctrine to one verse is to be going down a steep slope. Paul was actually pointing back to what Christ said about Him sending His angels ahead of Him to gather together His elect from the four winds of the heaven immediately after the Great Tribulation. Paul had to repeat in 2nd Thessalonians that before we could even be gathered with Christ, the falling away, the man of sin, the son of perdition must be revealed. God always have orders to how He operates, not confusion or chaos.

    The Church Fathers were unified in belief that all Christians will go through Tribulations. Paul says to be a Christian is to suffer persecution. We in the west have hardly experience the hardship of living a Christ-like life like our brethren in the Middle East have.

    Here is a far more exhaustive, analytical approach to debunking the pre-trib rapture theory…http://www.answersinrevelation.org/Rapture.html

  • Grandmere

    You are correct. The Ottoman empire was wounded and is now coming back.

  • Grandmere

    What makes us so special that we would escape the persecution that has been going on since Christ ascended to the Father. History is full of the horror of Christian persecution.

  • Grandmere

    There will be a nuclear fusion of the Church. Christ’s prayer that we may be one will not go answered.

  • Julie

    Amazing…Fr…..

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Not that – the part that he claimed the rapture occurs before the anti-Christ is revealed and unleashes his killing machine.

  • jeff

    Current events just keeps that ball a rolling down the path. if erdogan truly is the antichrist to be then i would think he would be able to muster up some real mystical powers rather than use an old magicians trick by planning his own fake coup… I know some people do not like westerners comments such as this, but it is difficult to resist using the keyboard…