THE FOOLISHNESS OF ANTI-JEWISH PROTESTANT CONSPIRACY THEORISTS

For a long time, I have been intending to discuss this phenomenon. Before I begin to discuss this, I shall tell you something autobiographical. Many years ago, I became a Christian at a young age after resisting God and suffering a serious coma which forced me to investigate all the different religions. After going through the Eastern religions (particularly Hinduism, Therevada Buddhism, Taoism/Daoism), I started to look into the monotheistic religions, namely, Judaism, Christianity and Islam. In my search, I discovered the beauty of the Old Testament (the Tenach as the Jews refer to it as) and realised that if the Old Testament is correct, then naturally, the New Testament, which heavily refers to the Old Testament, had to be correct also. In the process, I was able to see that any supposed similarities between Islam’s Qu’ran to the Bible was extremely superficial at best, and plagiarised and distorted at worst. Naturally, that left a hole in the heart which only God could fill, as both Holy Scripture promised in Deuteronomy 4:29 and to somewhat paraphrase the words of St. Augustine of Hippo: “Naught shall find rest in the heart save in Thee, O God.” It was during this time, that Christ found me and used some wonderful Christian people in my life to bring the Gospel to me, and thus, I believed by faith in the reality of Christ as God of both Old and New Testaments. As the years progressed, I naturally wanted to be a better Christian and to love God and resist Satan. It was already bad enough that there was modernism infecting all the churches, but just as equally, there was also a lot of anti-Jewish rhetoric in many forms. If it wasn’t blaming the Jews for the murder of Christ, it was blaming the Jews for atrocities against the Palestinians whilst ignoring their inciting to murder Jews and to also attack Christians too. Then it got worse: others were blaming Jews for all manner of conspiracy or evils in the world, no matter how ridiculous it was. Thankfully, most of that was not coming from the Catholics and Orthodox that I was encountering, although they have their fair share of this stupidity too, but from otherwise professing “Bible Believing” Evangelicals and Protestants! I was disgusted that I had to point out the Jewishness of our Faith and the Jewishness of the Prophets and the Apostles, not to mention Christ and the Blessed Virgin Mary herself.

At the time when all this was happening, I was also brainwashed to hate and despise, which I did well at in the beginning, anything to do with Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy. As a person who spent a good proportion of the formative years in a number of Protestant Evangelical churches, I was always told that both Catholics and Orthodox are idolaters and heretics and that somehow, the Reformers were beyond reproach. Yet, what many of them failed to tell me was that Luther, to my shock and horror, was a notorious Jew-hater. It was Luther that wrote towards the end of his life: “On the Jews and their Lies” which not only attacks the Jews and Judaism, but goes further and urges the rulers of the day to commit all manner of atrocities against the Jewish people. It was little wonder that Adolf Hitler, when he arose to power, was more than happy to have this work of Martin Luther published and distributed throughout Germany and in fact, met with very little resistance from Lutherans, if any. I was constantly told that Catholics and Orthodox were guilty of atrocities towards the Jewish people, but somehow, the guilt of Luther was overlooked and so was the collaboration of a good proportion of Lutherans to the Third Reich. Yet in my studies on Yad Vashem, I remembered that a good proportion of those who risked their lives to save Jews from the death camps of the Nazis were often Catholic priests, monks, nuns, bishops, cardinals and laymen as well as Orthodox priests, monks, nuns, bishops, archbishops, metropolitans and laymen compared to the very few notable Protestants such as the Ten Boom family in Holland. That was not all. I also discovered in the process that despite the accusations of the Concordat between the Vatican and the Third Reich, that Pope Pius XII actually issued an Encyclical against Communism, Fascism and Nazism too. In addition, in my discovery, it was Pope Pius XII that engineered rescue missions and tunnels with a number of priests, monks, nuns, bishops and cardinals, to save Jews in Rome and anywhere where the Third Reich had influence. On the side of the Orthodox, I discovered that both the Serbian Orthodox Church and the Bulgarian Orthodox Church had done a lot of work in saving Jews from the Nazi forces that occupied their nations too. This also happened in Greece under the late Archbishop Damskinos and other bishops and priests and monks too. Let us not forget Mother Maria Skobtsova who resisted the Vichy French for their evils too. And then to my shocking discovery, the famous Sugihara, the Japanese diplomat in Lithuania, was a convert to the Russian Orthodox Church. As for Evangelical Protestants, the best that we could offer was the Ten Boom family and few others, but overall, the majority of the clergy did nothing!

Time progressed further, and despite my discoveries, I was intent on being a hard core Evangelical fundamentalist. As part of this, I naturally chanced across 3 websites that shall be the subject of discussion: Refromation Online by Niall Kilkenny; Antichrist Conspiracy by Edward Hendrie; and Power of Prophecy of Texe Marrs. Whilst varying in some minor details, all constantly came to the same conclusion: the Jews are the cause of all the evils in the world and were tied into the Catholic Church. So there you have linking both the Jews to Catholicism and accusing both of being twin evils in the world behind everything. All constantly referred to Reformers as their source of accusations and also were guilty of both Holocaust denial and promotion or overlooking Islamic terrorism, especially of the Palestinian variety. This prompted me to look further and unexpectedly, I found myself in the Apostolic Church as expressed in Orthodoxy. But that is another story altogether.

Niall Kilkenny (aka Patrick Scrivener). Schizophrenic Protestant conspiracy theorist behind The Reformation Online.

Niall Kilkenny (aka Patrick Scrivener). Schizophrenic Protestant conspiracy theorist behind The Reformation Online.

If there was such a thing as a schizophrenic Protestant, then you can find it in none other than Niall Kilkenny’s Reformation online at www.reformation.org . Niall Kilkenny began first by promoting the King James Bible and then totally turned against it and in the manner that a number of Reformed people do, starting picking out all the supposed textual “errors” of the King James Bible. The irony of his hatred for the Jewish people, is that he is so insistent on using the Hebrew names for both God and Jesus, “Jehovah” and “Joshua” respectively, whilst accusing the use of “the LORD” and “Jesus” as being pagan and therefore the Roman Catholic Church is termed pagan by him! An irony of ironies indeed!  This man is so anti-Jewish to the point of accusing Jews of not only being Khazars (a common theme throughout all the other sites too) but also of being both Samaritans and Canaanites too! As ridiculous as it sounds and it is ridiculous, this is being promoted by a man who is intent on promoting the Protestant Reformation and promoting the classical Protestant eschatological school of thought known as Historicism (The belief that the Antichrist in history was always the Popes even unto present day and that most of the Apocalypse/Revelation is already fulfilled in history, a quasi-cousin of the heresy of preterism). Due to Niall’s hatred of both the Jews and the Catholic Church, he accuses the Jews of being the influencers in the Catholic Church (?) and that those who subscribe to a more literal view of eschatology (whom he in classical Reformed fashion terms “futurists”), are influenced either directly or indirectly by Francisco Ribera, a Jesuit priest. The fallaciousness is obvious to anyone who is aware of the facts. To begin with, Ribera was not even a person who believed in the literal view of prophecy and in fact was an amillienalist, which is not what those who hold to a literal view of prophecy subscribe to. Secondly, Ribera never had his works approved by the Catholic Church and there was no imprimatur on it either. However, since the likes of Kilkenny is so blinded by not only their distorted Reformation thinking, they always accuse Jesuit conspiracies as well as Jewish ones and will even cite the most questionable of sources, whether it is neo-Nazi sources or David Icke or David Irving. Even the method of historical analysis there is filled with all manner of contradictions. On one hand, you have Kilkenny supposedly hating Hitler and on the other hand, claiming that the Holocaust never happened and that Hitler was aiding the Zionists! You also have some faulty claims such as claiming that Hitler survived in Argentina and lived to an old age until 1962. In fact, to get even more fanciful, Nial Kilkenny also claims that Hitler, Lenin, Stalin and Mao Zedong were agents of both the British and the Jesuits. So now we have the British being accused of all manner of evil too along with the Jews and the Catholic Church! If Kilkenny’s Reformation conspiracy thinking isn’t fanciful enough, then he resorts to accusing the Catholic Church of founding Islam, and at times, he almost whitewashes Islam. Using the discredited Alberto Rivera as the source of conspiracy (as is common in all of these anti-Catholic, anti-Jewish conspiracy sites), he not only makes such outlandish claims but also tries to accuse the Catholic Church of assassinating Abraham Lincoln. Ironically, despite his hatred of the Catholic Church, he is more than willing to term Galileo Galilei as a heretic and refute his position on the solar-centric theory of the earth, thus placing himself in the exact same position as the Catholic Church! Schizophrenia and conspiracy theories never looked so good for the Protestants until you encounter Niall Kilkenny, and you then discover, according to him, that every evil is the result of the Jews (whom he refers to as “Samaritans” and “Canaanites”) in conjunction with the Catholic Church and to a lesser extent, the British. Recently, Niall Kilkenny has taken on the nom de plum of “Patrick Scrivener”. He has revealed also that he was a disgruntled former Roman Catholic from Ireland and also that he converted to Protestantism via the Pentecostals in 1973 before going over to be a full-blown schizophrenic  Hebrew Roots Calvinist. Details can be found here: http://www.reformation.org/about-patrick-scrivener.html

Edward Hendrie, another Protestant conspiracy theorist filled with the absurd and avid hater of Jews and the Catholic Church.

Edward Hendrie, another Protestant conspiracy theorist filled with the absurd and avid hater of Jews and the Catholic Church.

In my times as a hardcore Evangelical, I also came across another character that resorted to all of the above conspiracy theories, but was more centred on using Calvinistic historicism to promote not only hatred of both the Jews and the Catholic Church, but was more centred on attacking the nation of Israel for every evil on the planet, thus almost coming off as a mouthpiece for Hamas and other Islamist groups. This person was none other than Edward Hendrie. This man is supposedly a lawyer and was once according to him, a Jesuit trained person. He promoted a book, which is now being sold by Texe Marrs (more on him later) called Antichrist Conspiracy, which he turned into a website filled with all manner of anti-Jewish hatred as well as anti-Catholic hatred too. Details can be found here: http://www.antichristconspiracy.com/ . As is typical of other Evangelical conspiracy theorists, he cites Alberto Rivera for evidence and goes even further to accuse Israel for every evil under the sun as well as attack the Jewish people too using the word “Zionists” and so forth. This man has no qualms in even citing discredited leftist websites such as WhatReallyHappened.com as well as endorse Islamic terrorist organisations who are bent on not only destroying Israel and the Jewish people, but also destroying Christianity as well. In fact, not only has he resorted to Holocaust denial and hatred of Jewish people at every turn, he has even gone so far as to promote Henry Ford’s work The International Jew. Henry Ford, who was not only notorious for Jew hatred, but also for funding Adolf Hitler personally through his profits made from his cars. As a 5 point Calvinist like Niall Kilkenny, Hendrie also believes that the elect is only for “saved” people and that there is nothing one can do to even repent or believe in Christ. (Think not only Calvin, but Luther’s Bondage of the Will). Since Hendrie hates the literal interpretation of Scriptural eschatology, he also resorts to the Ribera accusation and also even stating that those who believe in the Rapture of the Church believe that God is going to “rape” the Church, a totally false accusation to make on those who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture. But that is not all. As Hendrie does not accept that God does require people to repent and believe on their own accord, he accuses other Evangelical churches that do believe in repentance and faith in Christ as being infected with the “anti-Gospel of the Jesuits”. Since Hendrie is so blinded by Reformation theology and Calvin’s 5 points, he never considers that the elect can refer to people other than the saved people. Israel is called elect, something that Hendrie cannot accept due to his hatred of the Jews combined with the faulty doctrine of Replacement Theology. (Isaiah 45:4). Angels can be called elect too. (I Timothy 5:21). Hendrie is filled with blindness and hatred courtesy of his hatred of both Catholicism and the Jewish people, that he forgot that the Church is part of the “Commonwealth of Israel” (Ephesians 2:12). A Commonwealth is never a replacement but an addition to! Since Hendrie was such an embarrassment to other King James Bible believers, which he claims to be one, even 2 King James Bible believers had to personally rebuke and refute him as found here: http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/prophecy/hendrie.htm

Texe Marrs, another crazy Protestant conspiracy theorist and hater of Jews and the Catholic Church.

Texe Marrs, another crazy Protestant conspiracy theorist and hater of Jews and the Catholic Church.

Last but not least, we must give (dis)honourable mention to Texe Marrs, the man behind “Power of Prophecy”. As a former hard core Evangelical, I used to receive Texe Marrs “Power of Prophecy” newsletters as well as have some of his books. Amongst his books, I had “Hidden Secrets of the New Age” from 20 years back, which whilst useful, still had some questionable content in there. Texe Marrs began as a Pastor that simply hated Catholicism and seemed to express sympathy towards the Jewish people but by the late 90s, he changed gears. Unlike previously, where he expressed sympathy towards Jewish people in some of his sermons, he started accusing the Jews and Israel of all manner of atrocities and conspiracy, even to the point of Holocaust denial too. Sounds like a familiar path that Martin Luther took, doesn’t it? In fact, Texe Marrs has now endorsed Martin Luther’s On the Jews and their Lies on his website now as a sale item. Texe Marrs also interviewed Hendrie on one of his radio programs and endorses Hendrie as someone who was formerly involved with the Jesuits and is “the most godly man I have ever met” (LOL!). No surprise but Texe Marrs has also sold Hendrie’s Antichrist Conspiracy Book via his website too. You only need to look at his website to see it filled with hatred and accusation of Jews, Zionism and Israel at every page. See it all at http://www.texemarrs.com . But that is not the worst of it. In a similar fashion to Martin Luther, Texe Marrs takes the Book of Esther and not only discredits it, but goes so far as to twist the contents of it to the point where he attempts to paint Haman as the hero and Esther and Mordecai as villains! I have encountered many filthy liberals and open Christ deniers in the pulpit, but none so damaging as this! Not only is it distortion but outright blasphemy! In his poor attempt to portray Esther and Mordecai as the villains and portray Haman as the hero, he states:  “According to the Bible’s book of Esther, many people in the Kingdom converted to the Jews’ religion (Babylonian Talmudism) so fearful were they of the murderous and vicious spirit of the unleashed Jews. Interesting, too, is that harlot Queen Esther also maneuvered things so that her wily cousin, Mordecai, became Grand Vizier in place of the dead Haman. And so, he and Esther apparently ran things their way in the Kingdom with the stupid and drunken King Ahasuerus being figuratively led around by the nose…I have much documentation in my files that, during the celebration of Purim, the liquor flows inside the synagogues, and parties go on and on, punctuated by dancing, drinking, costumes, and unrivalled reveling. Sexual orgies are commonplace, and worse things occur. There is evidence that Gentile children are kidnapped and ritually sacrificed, this being practiced by certain, especially evil Kabbalistic Jewish sects.” Not only is blasphemy being promoted here, but also clear revival of the “Blood Libel” myth is being endorsed, a myth that has shamefully caused harm to not only Jews, but also to Christians as well! It can be said that Texe Marrs is a blasphemer and also an antichrist in promoting not only Jew hatred but also hatred of Scripture too. I remember once hearing from someone in the churches I was going to: “The Antichrist will not necessarily come out as an open liberal or amoral person. He can go around in the churches carrying a King James Bible and even preaching from it too!” Looks like we at least have one such antichrist using a King James Bible in an evil manner as has been done then. Not only does it bring great disgrace to other believers in the King James Bible, who certainly don’t subscribe to such blasphemies and stupidities, it causes Christians to be discredited to the whole world and the Faith to suffer ridicule. For those who want to see what blasphemy that wolf in sheep’s clothing stated, here it is: http://www.texemarrs.com/072005/prophecies_in_esther.htm . Luther in a similar manner also discredited the book of Esther and stated: “The book of Esther I toss into the Elbe. I am such an enemy to the book of Esther that I wish it did not exist, for it Judaizes too much and has in it a great deal of heathenish foolishness. “ (The Facts About Luther, O’Hare, TAN Books, 1987, p202). Notice that both Luther and Marrs accuse Esther of not only being a Judaizing book but also filled with paganism! This is blasphemy!

CONCLUSION: Whether it was Texe Marrs, Edward Hendrie, Niall Kilkenny or anyone else amongst the Protestants that were crazy enough to promote not only Jew-hatred and crypto-Nazism but also hatred of the Catholic and Orthodox Churches (mis)using the King James Bible or anything else, it not only showed to me the lack of credibility on the part of those discussed and those who follow after their manner (e.g Pastor Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church), but also caused me to investigate the rottenness of the Reformation altogether, starting at the foundations. Christ not only warned about a tree is known by its fruits but also warned of false teachers too. (Matthew 7:14, 15). What a shocking discovery for such anti-Jewish conspiratists to discover that our Lord Jesus Christ stated to a Samaritan woman: “Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.” (John 4:22). What will these fools have to say at our Lord’s return when He causes the remnant of Israel to mourn for Him for their infidelity and also to repent to the point of being reinstated at the top along with the Church? This is clear in Zechariah 12:9-14; 13:1-9; 14:1-14 along with many other Scriptures. Not to mention the deliberate ignoring of both Romans Chapters 9, 10 and 11, which talk about Israel’s past, present and future, and how God intends for their total redemption. These blasphemous minded Protestants turned these chapters into being about their Calvinistic predestination when nothing could be further from the truth! It seems that these blasphemers also believe that they have measured the earth and the heavens all the way through and thus think that Israel is cast off because of it: “Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.” (Jeremiah 31:37). Maybe I should ask them for scientific advice on astronomy then!

Pastor Steven Anderson, the pastor of Faithful Word Baptist Church, that espouses the crazy theories of Texe Marrs and others.

Pastor Steven Anderson, the pastor of Faithful Word Baptist Church, that espouses the crazy theories of Texe Marrs and others.

The more I investigated, the more I was disgusted, since many of these evil ideas and blasphemies also had their foundations in Luther and Calvin along with their followers. Whilst I sincerely believe there are genuine Christians amongst Evangelicals who despise these blasphemies and heresies as well as evil ideas as much as I do, it is not because of the Reformation but IN SPITE OF IT! God does not play favourites when it comes to standing for righteousness and truth. Unexpectedly, I ended up in going towards Orthodoxy as found in the Eastern Orthodox Churches, but with more of an edge to it. I do not wish to contend with genuine Christians amongst the Protestants, I am asking you based on my discoveries, to investigate and not accept things blindly that you were taught. You claim a high belief in Scripture, then I suggest you use it to examine Luther and the Reformers and for that matter, anyone else. I would say exactly the same things to my Orthodox brethren who have accepted things blindly too. May God bless and awaken the reader.

Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Ghost. Both now and ever, and unto the ages upon ages. Amen.

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  • Willing to die for Jesus

    These are arguably not representative of the majority of (American) evangelical Protestant fundamentalists.

    These would be the exception rather than the rule regarding hatred of Jews among the 40,000 and growing sects.

    However, the virulent Catholic hatred among so much of evangelical Protestant fundamentalism, and among Protestantism generally, is rampant.

    Many of these also draw upon Catholic prophesies and like their Bible-quoting out-of-context, often draw upon Marian apparitions with their anti-Catholic agendas to pull Catholics out of the Church whom they see as “saved” only if they leave the Church.

    The drift of so many Protestants into generic Christian non-denominationalism, often as a result of the open promotion of sin (eg, homosexuality) by liberal mainline Protestant churches and some of the megachurches, has led to many of these “Christians” attempting to “return to the early Church.”

    Returning to “the early Church,” for many of these, has meant going Hebrew Roots. And because Jesus and His disciples and Paul, etc, was Jewish, many of these are attempting to “return” to a “time” allegedly “before” the Catholic Church “existed,” a time before Constantine “started” the “pagan” Catholic Church.

    And many insist on calling Jesus “Yeshua,” accuse Catholics (and the Orthodox, whom so many are ignorant of) as “idolators” for venerating the Blessed Virgin and the Saints. And view the Woman in Rev 12 as the modern-day nation-state of Israel rather than the Virgin Mary/The Church.

    Great article, but I would surmise that Judaizing, not hatred of the Jews, is a large problem among many evangelical Protestants.

    Many of these, however, are virulently anti-Catholic more than anything else and you are spot on there.

    • Doc

      I agree. I know all the famous evangelicals (nutcase and otherwise), and I’ve NEVER heard of any of these guys. I would love to see an article on the movement of false prophets among evangelicals. To the unaware, people like Rick Joyner, Rick Wiles, and many others supposedly receive “prophetic words” right and left, yet does anyone go back and verify their accuracy? It would seem this would be a more valuable investigation than to “out” a bunch of guys most evangelicals have never heard of anyway.

      • Owen Schumacher

        Doc, I used to listen to Rick Wiles for a time. Listening to him is an emotional roller coaster! He’s convinced the Russians and Chinese are going to destroy the U.S and Obama won’t even finish his last term in office because he’s going to establish an emergency police state.

        It’s all paranoia arising out of (very) bad interpretations of the Bible. Whether he’s deceiving or being deceived, it’s all deception. Very few in American Christianity want to talk about the “seat of Satan” being in Pergamum (Turkey), the righteous “ships of Chittim,” or the triumphant “seven shepherds and eight princely men,” who end up going against the Antichrist. Instead, it’s just “Russia and China are going to destroy us, because the U.S. is evil.”

      • mikifenn

        I personally do not know any Evangelicals who are as interested in Catholic doctrine as many of you think we are. I know no one who is interested in pulling Catholics out of their church. I know no one who spends much, if any, time fixating on Catholics. On this website Catholics fixate on Protestants and Evangelicals and I have no idea why. It would seem logical that if Catholics on this website enjoyed being Catholic they would talk about how much they loved their church rather than going over and over details of Protestant and Evangelical Christians and obsessing about what they don’t like and sharply criticizing Evangelical leaders few have ever heard of.. I makes no sense to me.

  • AnthonyM

    Thanks for laying the facts laid out, plain and simple. Some people are just irrational in their anti-Jewish and anti-Catholic opinions. And they are not disturbed by facts to the contrary.

  • Grandmere

    I grew up in a fundamentalist church and by the time I was twelve years old I knew something was very wrong with their teaching. I was always the rebellious child. Never conforming. I was literally on my own. My family eventually accepted that I was never going back there and my mother was Anglican before she died. Her former pastor refused to even attend her funeral. This article explains the many visitors here who are under delusion. While we argue with them and even poke a little fun, let’s not forget to pray for them too.

    • Doc

      Amen. We see through a glass darkly. I know people will throw stones at me when I say I think the catholic church AND the protestant churches are most likely apostate: the Eastern Orthodox church seems to be the only one uncorrupted through time. AND I could be wrong about THAT.

      We must keep watching, and keep our eyes on Jesus, and always listen for the Holy Spirit to guide us.

      • nagra bagra

        Have you heard that saying that if you’ve found the perfect church, then don’t attend or you’ll mess it up? LOL!! But there is a difference between an imperfect church and a heretical church.

    • Стефан Евгений

      Geandmere, I have a list with every nasty person on here, I light candles for them, Fr Chris, asked why so many, I said that they are for the hate and ignorant remarks to our Bogoroditsa,

      • Seraphim2478

        Some people don’t like the more humanistic icon forms, I began only liking “correct” Byzantine iconography. What a bozo I was, I hadn’t learned the value of appreciating and understanding the times and history that unfolds within the Church in regard to iconography, God has a way of humbling a new convert like me which I was at the time. Lol. I very much I appreciate the bueaty and story behind such icons!! Thanks for posting her Evgeny!!

        • Стефан Евгений

          People that think “correct” Icons are NUTS. It is God who sends grace through the more realistic Icons, I have seen great things come from realistic icons, and seen dead lifelessness come from proper Byzantine style, They are painted correctly but have no soul, they don’t speak to your heart, Icons by Aidan Heart are a perfect example of what i speak of, These “Pure” Orthodox are what I call Icon [email protected],

          Seraphim, just look at the many Icons that give God’s grace, in Russia in a realistic style,

          https://iconreader.wordpress.com/2011/06/04/tenderness-icon-inspiration-of-st-seraphim/ https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/51e4061b1f2fb40c77d5f0de36e5244947710f5365e2c9f89df887f525073e8b.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ff81da20729f99b967f31fed4d09f8a6f7e208472c2feb0091fdab2bf6bd6a36.jpg

          • Seraphim2478

            True, I saw once the Kazanskya Theotokos, Icon from Kursk, The miracle icon was in Chicago with Archbishop Alipy of R.O.C.A., Asteticly it was very unassuming, yet had a grace about it that was truly mysterious and clearly other worldly. In fact when I look at the icons you sent you see, in a sense the verse, “God choose the foolish things of the world to confound the wise” and we see this in the case of many of the saints when we study their faces, we see nothing outwardly extraordinary in the outer shell, yet their eyes and their examples are other worldly and speak of the Heavenly Kingdom!

          • Стефан Евгений
          • Seraphim2478

            Yes, this is the one it was in the Chicago cathedral with great solemnity, I saw her in the late 90s many seasons ago! Was such a great picture of Holy Rus’ the people were very devout during the veneration ceremony many babushkas were bringing their children’s to venerate and be blessed by the Lady Theotokos of Kursk Root miracle working icon!! This was the first time in my life to meet Her in this way!! The cathedral was full beyond capacity!! Truly God is wondrous in His Mother!!

          • Seraphim2478

            To this day, truly I do not understand God’s providence as to why a sinner like myself was allowed such great spiritual edification and consolation. I am truly indebted to our Lady Theotokos and ever Virgin Mary!! Strange mysterey!!

          • Стефан Евгений

            Simple, LOVE!

          • Стефан Евгений

            You may enjoy this…ok i know it is in Russian, enjoy the visuals.

          • Seraphim2478

            Evgeny your assistance is needed this protestant preacher on YouTube did a whole video on a sermon he preached against the Orthodox Church! You will see my comment towards the top ( unless they deleted it) this was preached last month so it is new. This is a blasphemous Atrack on our mother!! Here is the link Bro. : https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x07ys_NmNeA

          • Стефан Евгений

            Why?… even this zapadniky, any notice at all.? You can’t have a conversation with a block of wood.Your effort is wasted, better lite a candle for this asshat! I learned the had way with somesrent. Brat! better to walk away, and turn him over to our Lord.
            pray for them before the Icon Bogoroditsa, Soften of Evil Hearts. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fcfdb658463494dd25620b163f0dc341840cd1fb6656d94ea12bee922167150f.jpg

          • Seraphim2478

            Brat, you may go blind from all those candles being lit!! Lol, na na your of the right practice in this! This particular video was way over top!! Yet, you have chosen wisely.

          • Стефан Евгений

            Just, look at his replies, Tells you every thing.

          • Seraphim2478

            Most of the comments were ripping his false teaching apart. I added mine as well! Brat…couldn’t resist!!! Lord have mercy!!

          • Grandmere

            Is a zapadniky anything like a coullion?

          • Стефан Евгений

            Yes… Grandmere, The Westerner=zapadniky way of thinking is just plain NUTS. The me # 1 and I’m better than you are, Southern Baptist, Nut case.

          • THOMAS KING

            I briefly mentioned him in the article. Whilst he may be correct on some issues, overall, this man is dangerous and a heretic. This video is proof positive.

          • Seraphim2478

            He mocks even the Jesus prayer and about to mock the Theotokos and ever Virgin Mary!! Lord have mercy!!!

          • THOMAS KING

            Blasphemous fool. I made a brief reference to him earlier. This man is also a vile character despite having a good stance on various issues. This man also endorses Texe Marrs too.

          • Seraphim2478
      • Grandmere

        You have a list of the naughty. I hope I am on your list of the nice. Pray for me, as I believe you stand in good with the Lord. XO

        • Стефан Евгений

          I don’t know bout good with the Lord. I’m a sinner, a ginful-sinful one. but you are in my prayer book for a long time now.

      • Seraphim2478
        • Grandmere

          Lovely! Pray for me, angel.

          • Seraphim2478

            You got it Grandmere!! Pray for me as well, truly I am a sinful man!

    • Bilbo

      Thanks for sharing this, grandmere. The trial of our faith…

    • Seraphim2478

      Grandmere my mom is Anglican, and she is very devout women. She still has the old Anglican prayer book! She made such an impression on me in my rebellious years, she was always calm and loving. She always had a deep peace, I used to feel ashamed when I looked into her eyes, very convicted. My dad handled the discipline and would, put the fear of God in me lol! He is a bit like Trump in his personality, firey and a business man.It breaks my heart to see the state of most Anglican churches today, my mother grieves over this! My mom has always been supportive of my Orthodox journey and she has come to church with me. She would tell me, “This is a real Church son… I feel at home…” when we’re on the phone, she and I talk for hours about Orthodoxy and she particularly likes how the Church calender of feasts and fasts related to the seasonal changes, and she loves the fact that the Church has Tradition and little “t” tradition, within the Orthodox Churches. She is Orthodox in her heart.

      • Grandmere

        Thanks. I follow the Ordo Calendar for the feasts and fasts. I am Anglo Catholic. Love the traditions, both “t” and “T”. Love my RC and O brothers and sisters. I always had a special affinity for my angel. Now I know why.

  • Kamau41

    Thank you for boldly and plainly speaking truth corroborated well with facts and setting the record straight. It is quite sad and tragic to see so much anti-Jewish and prejudiced toward our Catholic/Orthodox brothers and sisters. We must continue to pray that many more delusional hearts and blinded eyes will become open to the reality and truth before it is everlasting too late.

  • Owen Schumacher

    Mr. King, I too come from a Protestant / Evangelical background, and while in reality I have not officially made the leap to joining the Catholic or Orthodox Church, in my heart I’ve made a number of adjustments. My “problem” is I got interested in Augustine and the early Church Fathers—as well as how there was only ONE church until the eleventh century. Then, when I found out that a number of Protestants and Calvinists actually sided with the Ottomans, for me that was a wake up call.

    I’ve come to find out that Calvin and Luther were awful men. So I’m going through some growing pains like you were, and it’s definitely been a process of exploration and prayerful consideration. Since so many of the founders of the Reformation were not even mediocre but frankly terrible, knowing this has given me the creeps. Now I’m probably were you were when you first made your discoveries. Anyway, I know this: I’m a Christian who believes every word of the Apostle’s Creed, I’m doing my best, and I try to love God with all my heart, all my soul, and all my strength. God bless you, sir!

    • Seraphim2478

      That’s very inspiring to hear of your interest in the apostolic church! I was a convert from Protestantism some 20 years ago. I landed in the Orthodox Church and it was the best decision I ever made! I would encourage you to go slow. If you haven’t already, contact an Orthodox priest and he can help guide you in your journey! May God bless you!

      • Owen Schumacher

        I agree about going slow. It’s a lot to take in at once, but I’m definitely on a journey. Thanks for your encouragement, and God bless you. 🙂

        • Seraphim2478

          Your in my prayers Owen and if there is anything I can do, let me know!!

          • Owen Schumacher

            Thanks so much! You got it.

          • Grandmere

            It always helps to have an angel on your side.

    • Grandmere

      I will pray for you, Owen. Been there.

    • Bilbo

      It’s quite shocking to see the skeletons in the closet. And we can never write it of as “that was the times”. Just don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.

      • Owen Schumacher

        Which parts should we keep, Bilbo? That’s what I’m trying to understand.

        • Bilbo

          No rush. Salvation by grace, biblical authority, gathering at an appointed place, all good. My biggest issues with Prot is lack of administrative oversight and chain of command and especially disregard for the mystical nature of the Eucharist, which would include infrequency of communion. Reading works on the early church, especially the first three centuries, regarding doctrine really set me on the right path. I found myself attending and ACNA (Nigerian conservative) Anglican church, and as a retired missionary pastor who always offered a Eucharistic centered service, I find it a great fit.

          • Owen Schumacher

            Very cool, Bilbo. I agree that too many Protestants fail to appreciate the Eucharist. It should definitely be at the center of every worship service. Thanks for telling a bit of your story.

          • Bilbo

            So the conservative Nigerian Anglican conference sent missionaries to the U.S. when the Episcopals went homer and set up the Anglican Church of North America (ACNA) which is an orthodox conference. Very biblical and right on. They offer open communion to any baptized believer.

          • Grandmere

            Bilbo, while the Nigerians came with AMiA, they did not start the ACNA. It was founded in 2009 and the Nigerians here have become a part of it. I was Bolivian until 2009.

          • Bilbo

            Thanks grandmere, for that.

          • mikifenn

            I have a relative who worships the Eucharist wafer. He sits and looks at the wafer in some sort of ornate box and worships the wafer on occasions.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Why don’t you worship the Eucharist – do you not believe what Jesus most sternly said about this? Are you not aware of the many Eucharistic Miracles? This is the problem with Evangelical Christianity – you’ve distorted the Lords’ most clear words into nothing but a symbol – you refuse the heavenly bread He gives.

          • Grandmere

            As an Anglican, I would not advise you to split the difference, Look into the three churches who claim apostolic succession. I will go now and get you a link to Archbishop Beach’s Investiture. You will see the liturgy and the Eucharist in the video. Back in a minute.

          • Grandmere

            This is long. Key points: 20:30 The knock at the door (the crozier was a gift from the RC Archbishop of Atlanta) 41:00 The Investiture (the gospel book upon which he swore the oath was given by yours truly) 1:13.0 the sermon 2:38.0 The Papal greeting 2:58.0 the Holy Eucharist. Enjoy

    • mikifenn

      You do know that the Lutherans of today are not like Martin Luther. There are many fine, Lutheran Christians. The same is true of Presbyterians. They are no longer like Calvin. Although, sad to say, many Presbyterians are liberals, but there are still many Presbyterian believers who are leaving the liberal Presbyterian churches.

      • Owen Schumacher

        Yeah, I don’t think today’s Presbyterians have retained Calvin’s weird, Islam-like conception of predestination. I agree with your sentiment in general, Fenn. However, I would venture to say you’re more likely to find the belief of “cheap grace” among Protestants / Evangelicals than, say, Orthodox or Catholics.

        • Stephen Dalton

          Owen and mikifenn, the Lutherans and Presbyterians may not act out the full implications of the Lutheran and Calvinist creeds today, but they have not repudiated them either. The Lutheran and Calvinist creeds still teach the Pope is Anti-Christ, and other ridiculous things. Until they formally renounce stuff like this, there really can’t be any real trust between us.

          • Owen Schumacher

            Yeah, stuff like that shouldn’t still be “on the books,” so to speak. I second what you’re saying.

        • Bilbo

          Is it predestination or free will? I think…yes.

  • 1Bobby8

    Amen Mona Lisa, good to see you here.

  • Luther was NOT a special man, indeed; but he needed grace and forgiveness and salvation just like the rest of us. He was the earthly man claiming to follow Jesus, only. May we all never follow his example.

    • mikifenn

      Walid, you are following the example of Luther in your vendetta against Evangelical Christians. I have lived in several different areas of the US, attended a number of non-Catholic churches and I have never heard anything hateful about Jews or Catholics for that matter in church. Most Evangelicals love Jews, the two major Christian TV networks love Israel and Jews, I am some of my friends read the Jerusalem Post, I had my DNA tested for ancestry.com and learned that I am about 4% European Jew for which I am proud..There are some who dislike Jews, but they are on the fringe and I’ve never met one in church. Sometimes they pop up in comments online. Remember Rasputin? The crazy Orthodox monk from Russia. What if I wrote articles saying he was typical? I interviewed a priest who was president of a local college and this man was not a believer and cussed and swore in the interview, as well as ridiculing Catholic beliefs. Suppose I portrayed him as typical of Catholic priest?
      King David is a lovely Biblical example of respect. Even though King Saul became jealous of David and tried to kill him, when David had an opportunity to kill King Saul, he did not. David said he would not kill God’s anointed.
      Many Evangelical pastor’s are God’s anointed and people who are wise keep that in mind when they decide to unfairly label all Evangelicals as anti-Jewish. There are several wonderful Jews who are evangelical Christians and have their own ministry. I think you appeared on Sid Roth’s program. If Evangelicals are so awful why did you go on his program and why did you speak at an Evangelical church in the town where I live?
      I don’t take what you do personally. Perhaps like King Saul you are jealous that a number of Catholics are now Evangelical Christians. I know this because they go to the church where I am a member,
      I an honored that you feel Evangelical churches are such a threat to you.

      • Стефан Евгений

        Walid ,,,,did not write this article, Thomas king did, why trow rocks at Walid. Rasputin, was not crazy, nor was he a monk. He was a strannik (Странник) I dont know how to English this, can say a pious vagabond.

        • mikifenn

          Walid posted the article. Same thing.
          Rasputin was a crazy monk.

          • Стефан Евгений

            Rasputin was NOT a MONK! get your facts stright, A Russian should Know.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigori_Rasputin

          • mikifenn

            I looked it up. Rasputin entered a monastery with the intention of becoming a monk but left to get married.

          • Стефан Евгений

            he was never tonsured big diffrence.

          • Grandmere

            So – He was never a monk.

    • SwampLife2002

      I’m so thankful for the truths espoused here! I will forever be grateful…. Praying my hubby comes around to the whole truth!

      • Thank you SwampLife2002. At times one has to hubby their hubby their whole life. Happy new years to you and to your hubby.

      • Grandmere

        Do you live on the bayou? I can’t watch Swamp People on TV because every time I hear Troy Landry talk, I fall into a trance. I get very homesick and very hungry all at once. lol

        • SwampLife2002

          I live on the east shore of Mobile Bay in the swamp!
          Beautiful view and I love cooking!

  • Mr Al

    Replacement theology is soddodgy and unbiblical. How else can you interpret key passages such as Romans chapter 9-11.the truth is The Jews still remain the apple of God’s eye but this can also be ddistorted thinking Jews have a different entry into heaven protocol to us Gentiles. For Jewish andGentile Jesus Christ IS the only way truth and life.

    • Bilbo

      Well put, Mr. Al.

    • mikifenn

      I thought that replacement theology was saying that the present day church has replaced Israel in the Bible. In other words, a few churches teach that when Israel is mentioned in the NT, it is now referring to a church or two today. Totally off the wall.

      • Bilbo

        British Israelism comes into the issue here.

    • Stephen Dalton

      The only Jews who are the apple of God’s eye are those who believe and worship Jesus Christ. Romans 9-11 shows only the Jews who have faith in Christ are considered Israelites, and heirs of the promise. The rest are rejected.

      • Bilbo

        Don’t skim Romans 9-11, and read 12 and 13 as well. Read in context and plain language.

        • Stephen Dalton

          Bilbo, Jesus said in the Gospel of Matthew 21:43 that the kingdom of God would be taken from the Jews and given to others who would bear fruit. The vast majority of Jews since that time have rejected Christ, and therefor, brought rejection upon themselves.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    So – Jesus was not Divine at his conception and birth?

  • Doc

    The problem is you lean on your own human understanding. You cannot grasp the personality of God in three Persons in the same way you grasp your fellow man as having one body and one spirit.

    • Owen Schumacher

      I would say we don’t entirely understand the Trinity in the same way we don’t entirely understand God. We’re finite, He’s infinite. Thus the confusion. However, the tenet of the Trinity is foundational to Christian doctrine, and to deny it is heretical. What do Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and Muslims have in common? They’re all anti-trinitarian, and they’re all heretical. “He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son” (1 John 2:22).

    • M.R.R. Lopez

      Well if we can interact with multi dimensions in 3d land with out going anywhere… I think God can do that and much more. Just because we see God is moving multiple things at once or speaks through jesus and then from heavy above indicating that this is his Son…. doesn’t mean it has disturbed the Jewish Monotheistic Faith.

      But like you said, we should not lean unto our own understanding as human beings. I know I am not capable of understanding certain things… the trinity being one of them. I of course do not Deny the father or the son, or the holy spirit. I just think they are the same person. Like my uncle who is a Fireman. IF I want to talk to my uncle and say lets go for a BBQ New years. I will call him Uncle. If my house is on fire…. I will Call 911 and call him Mr Fire man Come and save me!

      Jesus means Savior! So if I need to be saved I will call Upon Jesus. But when I pray… I will pray like Jesus to My Heavenly Father 🙂

  • Bilbo

    Mr. King, speaking historical truth concerning a radical political faction comprised of a small minority of ethnocentric well-funded Marxist ideologue Jews is not a conspiracy. As Saul Alinsky states, it only takes 1% to inculcate another 9%, and that 10% are able to rule the remaining 90%.

    Your mistake is thinking that anyone who calls out the 1% are antisemitic, which is fallacious. None of the sources you quoted have ever stated “all Jews”. Granted their presentation could be refined but then, again, how do you couch such a disturbing message? Regarding Texe Marrs and Israel, is it shocking to know that the same persons that funded the Bolshevik Revolution funded and founded the nation of Israel? It’s a historic fact, well referenced. So maybe Texe is a little over reactive, but he’s from Texas and that’s just how they are in Texas.

    An analogy. If I, for example, state the fact that the New Black Panthers is a radical and well-armed radical Black organization funded by bank robberies in the 70s, and that they are bent on the overthrow of America, am I a conspiracy theorist who hates all blacks? Of course not. And if, in uncovering the evil of the New Black Panthers I get a little caught up…you get the picture.

    Instead of killing the messenger, why not simply springboard off of their references?

    • Stephen Dalton

      Although I don’t trust Marrs or the other two guys as reliable sources, history shows that Jews have always conspired against Christianity. The New Testament has many mentions of Jewish actions against the early Christians. The Post-Apostolic Fathers likewise tell of Jewish Anti-Christianism, sometimes in cooperation with the pagans.
      If Thomas King and other readers are interested in pursuing this history from reliable sources, here’s some books I’ve read on this subject “Jewish Influence On Christian Reform Movements” by Rabbi Louis I. Newman tells the story of how Jews tried to coopt the Church by subverting it with internal heresies, or sponsoring movements outside the Church as competing sects. “The Plot Against The Church” covers the same ground from a Catholic perspective. It was written by a group of priests using the pseudonym of Maurice Pinay, who were concerned about the dangerous, radical changes the Vatican II council was bringing about. “Savage Ingratitude” by Ari Ben-Tzvi, shows that there has always been a self destructive streak in many Jews that propelled them into activities that were to the determent of themselves and the Non-Jews they lived among. All of these books are available through Amazon, and all of them are extremely well documented with a generous amount of footnotes so you can do a lot of fact checking. Newman’s book has been out of print for a number of years, but if you look carefully, you should be able to find it at a library, through an interlibrary loan, or at a second-hand bookstore on the net. That’s how I got mine.
      In closing, my posting is not meant to claim Jews are behind every evil conspiracy. They’re not. But it’s historically inaccurate to deny they had a hand in many of them. The books I’ve recommended will give a balanced picture of that history.

      • Bilbo

        Excellent post.

        The modern Talmudic, atheistic, God-is-the-Collective-Consciousness-of-the-Jews ideology that propels this small minority in present times was present in the Pharisees of biblical days. When Jesus addressed the Talmudic fallacies, such as Matthew 23:16-22 (swearing by gold on the altar vs. altar), He is clearly addressing the godless Talmudic ideology. In John 19:7, 12, 15, 21, we find the same Talmudists denying Jehovah and Messiah repeatedly, basically a declaration of atheism. Interesting in verse 15 is the declaration “We have no king but Caesar”. Under Roman law, the Jewish religion was one of the few exempt from making this mandated declaration, but the chief priests made it nonetheless. Also notice that in all these cases it is the Jewish leaders, but not all of them, and clearly not the Jewish population at large.

        The Talmud was an oral tradition until it was codified in the 3rd century A.D. Of note is that Mayer Rothschild, Karl Marx, and many of the original Jewish bolsheviks, maintained a Talmudic perspective and ideology that blended well with modern Communism.

        It astounds me how an Ultra Orthodox Jew can be so religious and so atheistic at the same time, but Jesus said it best when He said, “You forsake the commandments of God and keep the traditions of men.” And then, again, my old Presby pastor was just fine with a secular and social gospel void of any mention of God.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    The fly in your ointment is that the Bible tells us to obey the Church – the Church that Christ built – not any that broke away and made new doctrines and practices – which are nothing more than traditions of MEN – and that is what you follow.

  • Stephen Dalton

    What “Non-Catholic” Christians are you talking about who were being “persecuted” by the RC religious leadership?! There were no “Non-Catholic” Christians back then. The people you refer to were heretics, Judaizers, and Gnostics. Please, read some real history, like the articles presented by Walid and Company, instead of repeating “trail of blood” fairytales!

    • Bilbo

      The Copts? Are they still heretic? ;-D

      • Stephen Dalton

        When I was responding to nowits, I was referring to these groups that the Trail of Blood groupies always claim to be Proto-Protestants. As far as I know, the edwitnesses of fundamentalist follies never claimed the Copts as Protestants before Protestantism was cool.

  • SwampLife2002

    Me too and they come across as holier than thou!

  • Стефан Евгений

    This is by Fr Bernstine a Orthodox Priest, who once was the founder for Jews for Jesus,

    ”The scriptures do say: “He is not a Jew who is one outwardly, but is a Jew who is one inwardly” (Romans 2). So Paul here speaks of the gentile as well as the Jew. On the other hand, St Paul in three chapters in particular (Romans 9,10,11) makes perfectly clear that there is a future destiny for the Jewish people. He assumes their continued existence as a people. So St Paul asks in Chapter 11:”

    “Has God cast away his people? Certainly not but through their fall to provoke them to jealousy, salvation is come to the gentiles. For I do not desire brethren (speaking to the gentile Romans), that ye should be ignorant of this mystery lest you should be wise in your own opinions that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the gentiles come in.”

    So there is a hope for Old Israel. And also so we have in the same chapter it speaks of Old Israel being a natural olive tree into which wild gentile branches have been grafted. And then St Paul says: “Do not boast. Remember that you gentile Christians do not support the root, but the root supports you.”

    ”So to answer the question, I do not believe the Old Jewish olive tree was cut down and replaced with the brand new olive tree. There is only one olive tree into which the gentile Christians have been grafted.”

    Fr. Bernstein is right that Orthodoxy does not teach that there are two separate olive trees and that one was cut down and “replaced.” If that is what Replacement Theology or Supersessionism mean, then they are not Orthodox concepts.

    http://www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts/illuminedheart/surprised_by_christ

    • Bilbo

      Excellent, C. A short, concise survey.

  • mikifenn

    Correct and true, Jody. It is absolutely false that Evangelical Christians are antisemitic. I concur with everything you said. Evangelicals are the best friend Israel has!
    I have read that Catholics believe the Mother of Mary was also a virgin when Mary was born. If this is true, there is no Scriptural basis for this belief.

    • Grandmere

      What you read is incorrect. They do not teach that about St Ann.

      • mikifenn

        I did not read that. A staunch Catholic relative told me that.

        • Grandmere

          Your relative is mistaken about teaching about St Ann.

  • Grandmere

    You said the “HS the present form of God”. The Holy Spirit is co-eternal with the Father and the Son. He was present in the beginning. Without beginning or end. Please read the Athanasian Creed.

    • Bilbo

      Right on, Grandmere.

  • “Bashing and pointing fingers is the typical cheap way out”

    we prefer “bashing” “pointing fingers” and the “cheap way out”

    “99.999999 % of all churches including the orthodox have obstructed and are still obstructing ….”

    You stay with your bashing (as in the above) and we stay with ours.

    Deal?

  • Julie LaBrecque

    I asked – WAS JESUS DIVINE AT HIS BIRTH – you didn’t answer.

  • Stephen Dalton

    Your reply shows your incredible arrogance and ignorance. The writings of the Post-Apostolic, Ante-Nicene, and Post-Nicene Fathers show that the Catholic Church kept and preserved the teachings of Christ and his Apostles. The same writings also prove these so-called “persecuted Christians” were heretics and schismatics who were either Judaizers, Gnostics, or dissident Catholics. However, people like you will ignore the real facts about these heretics, so you can slam the Catholic Church, and cling to your trail of blood malarkey.

    • Bilbo

      You must admit, Stephen, that after the initial works of the Apostolic and Church Fathers, the intent went from a defensive and apologeticist posture regarding non-Church outsider heresies, Gnosticism being the best example, to an in-house cleaning, the best example being the Coptic Church excommunicated for One Iota. This is a very clear political and theological red line.

      • Stephen Dalton

        I know nothing about the “one iota” business. But edwitless is ignorant about everything else!

  • Bilbo

    The Irish recently voted for homosexual rights. 10 to 1 it’s the Catholic-hating homosexual lobby coming out as Nazis as well. Godless Irish leaders, the same who are launching these antisemitic attacks, also pushed this homosexual agenda through, blaming the repression of homosexuality on the Catholic Church. Additionally, the IRA has had association with the PLO, running arms and money between the two. These particular IRA radicals are godless global anarchists, and Catholic by birth only.

    Your statements, which I suspect are cut and paste, are a fallacious non sequitur. So quit blaming the Catholics and start blaming the debauched pagans. And get your head out of your hinder portions.

    • colin

      Trocaire

      The charity was launched in 1973 by the Irish bishops laudably to “give whatever help lies within its resources to the areas of greatest need among the developing counties”, while domestically making “us all more aware of the needs of these countries and of our duties towards them.” Nowadays it is more fashionable and majors on gender equality, Aids, climate change and human rights, with particular emphasis on the rights of Palestinians.

      Trocaire’s blatant bias on Israel was addressed in an article a week agoby Richard Humphreys, a Dublin Labour councillor and one of the few dissenting voices . He discussed its relevant on-line educational pack for secondary schools, which had a Palestinian flag on the front page and inside two harrowing stories of Israeli wrongdoing through Palestinian eyes. There was no mention of rocket attacks on Israel: the blocade of Gaza was designed “to punish Hamas”. “The more I read of the Trocaire pack, the more it seemed to be a case of four legs good, two legs bad. Palestinian victims and Israeli oppressors.”

      When he made contact with Trocaire he was told they had withdrawn the resource for review and had decided not to revise it but instead to focus on the issue of boycotting produce from Israeli settlements. Because there is nothing on labels to distinguish settlement goods, this in effect means a boycott of all Israeli produce.

      Why, asked Humphreys, should Israel be singled out? “Do Trocaire really believe that Israel is the worst human rights offender on the planet?” Did the country get no credit for its record on the rights of women and gays, on free speech and on religious freedom, which so contrast with the Palestinian regime. Now Christians are under attack in the Arab world, he suggested, “you would have thought that persecution of Christians would be a bigger issue for the Catholic bishops and their aid agency”.

      I don’t know if the Carersiveen school had made use of the Trocaire educational pack, but it’s a fair guess that they had. Certainly, its pupils’ campaigning zeal can only be heightened by the charity’s call tolobby retailers to boycott Israeli goods. The Irish bishops, who are mostly punch-drunk since the child abuse scandal and few of whom seem brave, either approve of their charitable funds being spent on anti-Israeli propaganda rather than saving Christians from persecution, or are hiding under their collective duvet.

      It’s no wonder that the Israeli Foreign Ministry sees Ireland as the most anti-Israeli and, indeed, anti-semitic, country in Europe. The bishops should be ashamed that – in the name of compassion – they allow their charitable arm to disseminate hatred.

      http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ruthdudleyedwards/100200301/the-jews-crucified-our-lord-irish-antisemitism-and-the-complicity-of-the-catholic-bishops/

      • Bilbo

        Wow, you pull these articles out of your hat like a rabbit. I guess if it’s on an UNREFERENCED BLOG written by a LEFTIST CATHOLIC BASHER that makes it true. Sorry to confuse you with the facts, my bad.

        • Correction: its not from his hat where he pulls these articles. It is from a different spot.

          • Bilbo

            LOL, Walid. You just gave him a Trumping. Your AI program doesn’t allow me to post it.

          • Grandmere

            S-N-A-P !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Okay I got caught.

        • colin

          Well proves you didn’t read the article as I have copied the link to it at the bottom, you’ll see it not an unreferenced blog…

          The writer of it is Ruth Dudley Edwards who was brought as a Catholic and nationalist in Ireland, she is a historian and a prize-winning biographer and crime writer.

          • Bilbo

            Her allegations are over 40 years old, she’s a failed Catholic pro abortionist who supported the homosexual vote. Got another one who’s not a Ziofascist?

            Now here’s a real reporter, who’s a Jewish non-commie pinko.

            http://rehmat1.com/2011/01/23/hersh-anti-islam-ziofacists-control-the-us/

          • colin

            Bilbo she gives a historic context then and leads into the current conditions in Ireland.

            The article you provided is like reading one of Alex Jones stories…

          • Bilbo

            Sy Hersh uncovered the My Lai Massacre. He’s world renowned. Woops, your bad.

          • colin

            Ok moving on from the Irish catholic anti-jewish hatred. I will leave you something from this site to ponder.

            http://shoebat.com/2014/05/29/jew-hate-rears-ugly-head/

            http://shoebat.com/2014/07/13/evil-irish/

            http://shoebat.com/2015/09/14/undercover-video-exposes-amazing-hypocrisy/

            Well onto your article –

            About the a (Jewish-Jesuits masonic cult) and (neocons) who Sy Hersh says are members of Opus Dei, who seek to set up a One World Government under Jewish domination.

            You do realise if you mention Jesuit, it means that at the highest level (current pope a Jesuit) the catholic church is involved in trying to create a One World Government?

            What we know is that Pope Francis has been calling for a new world order, and we know that the push to make the Pope the head of the UN One World Religion has been going on for a while. Along with that we have saw for the first time in history, Islamic prayers and readings at the Vatican.

            Out of interest the Jews says that the “Jews” behind the push for a One World Government aren’t Jews but Edomites. Rothschild…. Roth meaning red – Esau being the red child… the Father of the Edomites.

            The article puts Pope of Rome Jesuits/Edomites in cahoots to control the World, with the Pope being some sort of Spiritual leader.

            What your article doesn’t prove is the Irish catholic jewish hatred.

          • Grandmere

            I’m sure 1.6 billion Muslims can hardly wait to submit to the Pope. You are truly nuts.

          • colin

            I am just taking the article supplied by bilbo out to it’s fullest extent..

          • And I am running out of Haldol.

          • Bilbo

            My article proves there’s a Catholic conspiracy that’s pro Jew, so I won this round.

          • colin

            The catholic church at the centre of a the new world order; along with Jews who are not Jews but Edomites.

            Yip you certainly one that – lol

          • Bilbo

            You’ll not find most here denying that evil men have moved within the institution. Many here know of the Marxist infiltration of Catholic Bishops, etc. that the RC has been dealing with to this present day. I’ve linked Ted’s an article about problems in the RC. As to Hersh, he’s no wing nut, he’s the most well referenced and verifiable reporter there is, recently uncovering the Obama-directed Pentagon funding of ISIS.
            http://shoebat.com/2014/11/29/pope-francis-appeases-religion-antichrist-enters-mosque-pays-toward-mecca-islamic-call-prayer/

          • colin

            I don’t listen to Ted he just annoys me… However I am glad that your can see some of the errors within the Catholic church.

            All the best to you and your family in 2016..

          • Bilbo

            You as well, Colin. As to the Catholic Church, I personally think Hersh is factual, but then I am mindful that Catholic Church leaders and parishioners are presently being martyred throughout the world; this is also the true and pure expression Catholic Church.

          • Stephen Dalton

            So, you believe in this balderdash about Jews being Edomites, eh. That’s a hoot, since the Edomites became extinct as an ethnic group around the 1st century AD. The Jews are Jews in the Biblical sense of the word, as far as their biology is concerned, they are Abraham’s descendants.

          • Grandmere

            Thanks for the info, Bilbo.

  • Bilbo

    I don’t hold to dispensationalism nor replacement theology. Respectfully, your statement presumes there are only two alternatives, and that’s simplistic.

  • Bilbo

    Those in the article present well referenced research. Their red-necky presentation and rhetoric shouldn’t be misconstrued.

  • Bilbo

    Paul, the historic agenda of the Orthodox Church has been, in the last century, to preserve the faith against godless Communism in Russia and China, Mexico and the U.S. And now, in the middle east, against annihilation by CIA/ISIS.

    Your post reflects a well insulated paradigm from a well heated home with hot and cold running water. And today our Orthodox brothers and sisters are being beheaded and raped to death; this day, under the tutelage of their brave leadership who are also suffering, these brave souls are obtaining “pure and full knowledge” of Jesus Christ as He rises to greet them in heaven. Really take time to ponder this before you make even one more post disparaging the Orthodox Church.

  • Bilbo

    Regarding hatred, Dr. Gus, if a Christian dies with a heroin needle in his arm and is denied heaven because of it, what hope is there for you and me? Having begun in grace, are we then justified by the law and our works? Who has bewitched you?

    Legalism and lawlessness are never satisfied. Time to get off your self-righteous high horse and realize you’re no better, and perhaps worse, than that stinking pissy pants rummy you passed out in the gutter today.

  • Stephen Dalton

    What you have brought up has nothing to do with what we are talking about. But that’s par for course for an ignorant bigot like you. I’m well aware of some of these shenanigans that were pulled by less than honest Catholics. Christ himself warned that there would be those who would give offense, so I’m shocked, shocked I tell you, that something like this could happen in the Catholic Church! The horror, the horror!
    What I said about the history of the Church and these sects that willful ignoramuses like you mislabel as “persecuted Christians” is truthful history that can proven by critical analysis by people from different social and religious backgrounds. It’s bigots like you, with an ax to grind, that ascribe heroic virtue to twisted sectarians like the Cathars and the Bogomils, to libel and slander the Catholic Church. That will work on your fellow bigots, but most of us here on shoebat.com are considerably more well informed and better educated in history than you and yours. Stop reading Chick tracts, or books by Dave Hunt or Tim LaHaye, and start reading some real history for a change!

    • Bilbo

      He’s not a bigot, he’s a Baptist ;-D

      • Stephen Dalton

        He’s a willfully ignorant jackass! His kind can be found in all religions, but they thrive better in a narrow, minded, fundamentalist sect, like the one he belongs to!

  • Bilbo

    Evangelicals tend to be ultra Zionists due to the Scofield Bible that was commissioned, interestingly enough, by a Jew.

  • Bilbo

    As you RC friends pray the same for you. Is this not ironic, this great divide, when we are all God’s children?

    • Wendy P

      In light of the tone of the OP, there already IS a great divide in theology. I love my Catholic friends, which is why I pray that they will come to a true saving knowledge of Christ alone, through faith alone. I have no desire to be united with the heretical RCC. We are all God’s creation, but only those who are in Christ are counted as His children.

      • Bilbo

        Pretty soon we might all be in the same FEMA camp together, and none of this will matter.

  • Bilbo

    Yes and no on the Vatican. I think, like any large organization, an bad man in upper management can engage in hidden evil works without the CEO ever finding out, especially when the CIA is involved in the disinformation program.

  • Stephen Dalton

    Bilbo, you’re right about many Baptists being solid Christians. However, in my neck of the woods, the Baptists I’ve known are intellectually and spiritually isolated from other Christian people. While they believe there are “born-again believers” in other churches, they believe they’re “the born-again believers”. They don’t have a “special shade”, they have a triple-locked door to protect themselves from orthodoxy! To paraphrase the GEICO commercial, “if you’re an independent, fundamentalist, Baptist, it’s what you do.”

    • Bilbo

      Is your neck of the woods the Red Neck, of what I is proud to be 😉

      • Stephen Dalton

        Nah, I’m in a suburb of Peoria, Il. The Baptists in my area are heavily influenced by Bob Jones University graduates who become their pastors. The BJU mindset is one of incredible sectarianism. A church member who goes to a church pastored by a BJU grad is told to read books and articles approved by BJU, to send their children to primary and secondary schools approved by BJU, and for higher education, can you guess where it’s suggested that they go? It’s not to Notre Dame!
        Many of the BJU grads end up as pastors in the independent, fundamentalist Baptist Church movement. Interestingly enough, this movement has been criticized as cultic by many former members. If you go to Youtube and put independent, fundamentalist Baptists into the search engine, you will come across many videos that back up their claims of cultism extremely well.

        • Bilbo

          Yeah, I’ve dealt with these modern day Pharisees. Don’t they have their own version of the Talmud?

          • Stephen Dalton

            Their Talmud as I understand it, are the various books, magazines, and newspapers that are published by their preachers.

          • Bilbo

            And then I have to examine if I’ve pulled my own Talmud out…

            In AA, they call it “Brutal Honesty”. for instance, I became aware that to lust after a woman is not only the sin of fornication but makes me an abortionist as well. The fruit of sexual lust is the act of fornication. If that act bears a child, 10 to 1 the child would be aborted, and it would be my sin.

            So I try to discern but not judge, and to remember, especially at Eucharist, how far God has brought me.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    You are trying to divide Christ like Nestorius did- the Person that Mary gave birth to was GOD in the flesh.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    “And how is it that the mother of my LORD can come to me” – your assertion is busted by scripture.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    “This IS my body – this IS my blood.’ – Got it?

  • Grandmere

    If you don’t want to believe the teaching of the church in the Athanasian creed, that is on you.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    They end up in heresy JUST to refuse Mary the title that is hers.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Instead of falling to your own faculties, why don’t you let scripture tell you? Gabriel’s address to Mary as ‘Kecharitomene’ is what you need to examine – any reliable scholar of Greek will tell you that it signifies that she was already, in the PAST, endued with grace, and that grace was to continue into the future. Further, Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant as revealed in the gospel of Luke, compare his account of Mary’s journey to the House of Zachariah to the accounts of the OT Ark in 2 Samuel 6 – further, Psalm 132:8 prophesied of the taking to their resting place, the LORD, and his ARK – which is shown in Rev11:19- Rev 12 – it is Mary.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    ‘That is an isolated incident.” – so you reject it because it doesn’t fit into what you’ve been taught? What have you to say about the Wedding at Cana? Why did Mary intercede- and why did Jesus fulfill her request? Because she is the Queen Mother, see 1 Kings 2:19 – the mother of the King sits on a throne to the right of her son AND she intercedes for the King’s subjects.
    YOU have taken ONE verse and built an entire doctrine around it yourself – their ARE other mediators – read the NT – replete with them – including SAINTS IN HEAVEN – Rev 5:8. Any time you or I or any other Christian prays for someone else WE ARE MEDIATING. Mary’s Fiat was the greatest intercession in human history by a person.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Here’s why Jody – she was already saved – that is why Mary states that God had done GREAT THINGS to her – not one things – read the OT and you might figure it out. I’m not blaming you, but blaming your pastors who practically ignore the entire OT, especially the Davidic Kingdom, for it was the model for the Church – and the King’s mother is the Queen Mother, and she sits on a throne to the right of her son and intercedes for the King’s subjects, 1 Kings 2:19.

  • Mona Lisa

    Unfortunately, Jody, protestant ministers are not protected from error by the Divine promises. And neither are you. To infer much less outright attack the dogmas of the Immaculate Conception and perpetual virginity of the Blessed Virgin Mary is the height of blasphemy. Catholics believe what the Church teaches expressly because Our Lord gave His Church the guarantee of infallibility. The tenets you demonstrate are the logical conclusion of the errors of freedom of conscience and private interpretation of scripture. If those sharing your opinions are wrong, how can they stand before Christ in judgement without incurring His rightful wrath for denying His inscrutable designs for the salvation of mankind? This is a very serious matter. Jesus Christ is the Author of both these gifts, not the Church or any other individual.

  • Stephen Dalton

    Yada, yada, yada! The same old Constantine corrupted the church meme. I’ve already told you, (and so have the Shoebat’s) that these groups were heretical sects that had nothing to do with Christianity. Even Protestant historians like McGoldrick in his “Baptist Successionism” admits this is true. The only people who buy into this garbage are sectarians like you who have an axe to grind. No responsible historian would buy your thesis. However, there are willful bigots and ignoramuses like you who eat this stuff up, because of your irrational hatred of the Catholic Church.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    What you miss in your belabored defense is that the 3 items put inside the ark and the things that prefigure Jesus – Mary’s womb is the parallel to Ark – inside her womb where these same 3 ‘things’ – further – no man could touch the Ark – yet in the gospels we see that Jesus is being touched by all sorts of people – men included – and we see Mary proclaiming that she know NOT man. Also, the Ark is God’s throne – so is He sitting on himself? And what do you do with Psalm 132:8 – how can the Ark arise to heaven if the Lord is the Ark – when we are told that the Lord AND His ark will arise to their resting place? Mary’s womb contained Heaven itself.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    You might do well to see that Mary is clearly the Queen of Heaven as revealed in Rev 12 – what other title would you prefer to call a Woman wearing a crown? Did not ALL the Queen Mothers of the Davidic Kingdom wear a Crown – and sit at the right of their son – Solomon BOWED to his Mother – why don’t you know the OT any better than you do?

  • Julie LaBrecque

    You are quite assuming – such an arrogant statement that protestant ministers study the scriptures more than RCC priests – can you tell me which ones Jody? Do you consider Martin Luther one of these? “It is a sweet and pious belief that the infusion of Mary’s soul was effected WITHOUT ORIGINAL SIN; so that in the very infusion of her soul she was also purified from Original Sind adorned with God’s gifts, receiving a pure soul infused by God; thus from the first moment she began to live, she was free from all sin.” ‘On the Conception of Mary, the Mother of God’, Martin Luther, December 1527. “She is FULL OF GRACE; so that she may be recognized without any sin. That is a high and great thing, for God’s grace fills her with all gifts and frees her from all evil.” Martin Luther, ‘Little prayer book’, 1522. “…It is for this reason, that the PURE and IMMACULATE embodiment of the Mother of God, the Virgin Mary, the Temple of the Holy Spirit, that is to say, her saintly body, was carried up to heaven by the angels.” Heinrich Bullinger. ‘Mary; Mother all Christians’, 1568. Pleaes note these words from protestant miminsters, BEFORE the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception was promulgated. If you ‘knew’ the OT the way you purport to, you would know that any relative or friend were called BROTHERS/SISTERS. Also, can you tell us why the protestants removed 7 books from the Bible – do you realize your book has 66 books?