Them ‘Damned’ Catholics

By Walid Shoebat

Throughout the Church’s history, it has warred with Islam. Yet, it has nothing to offer us today. This is the typical answer I get when I discuss Christian history with many Evangelicals. They tell me that beyond the Bible, there is nothing else we need. So next time you have a fire in the house, read the Bible, don’t forget to pray while you forget dialing 911 and enjoy the smoke and fire billowing inside the house.

I find it difficult to even ask questions: What was Christian history like, that withstood Islam’s evil and defeated it in Europe? Why and how did Christendom lose Egypt and Asia Minor to Islam? And what are we doing in our days to emulate or not emulate from that history?

The one million dollar question that no one can answer – although I will get many remarks from people damning me as a heretic – is this: Why did God choose Catholics to stop Islam in its tracks in all the major battles intended to destroy Christendom? Anyone who has the answer, please step forward.

What do most spirit-filled evangelicals know about the Battle of Lepanto, Battle of Tours, The Battle of Vienna, and The Battle of Malta?

Had the ‘damned’ Catholics not fought the Battle of Tours, all of Europe would have been Muslim today, like in Asia Minor. It would have been the end of Christianity, as we know it. Today, Turkey (Byzantium) is 99% Muslim and looks very likely to produce the Antichrist while Evangelicals still think that Antichrist and the Harlot is the Roman Catholic Church.

Why is it so rare to find holy spirit-filled evangelicals that speak of such history, except paint it as Crusader, dark, warring and bloodthirsty? What difference then is there between the die-hard liberal and the spirit-filled evangelical? Both criticize this history. Even further, like many evangelicals and liberals, the Muslims also condemn this history. So why do we echo their interpretation as we damn the Catholic?

Why? Is it because of them ‘damned’ Catholics who defended Christendom and saved the Protestants from utter annihilation? Could it be perhaps the Catholics did something right, like fight them damned Muslims and thwart them from annihilating Christendom?

In all these battles there were no Protestants coming to help save Europe and Protestant states refrained from helping or even lifting a finger. They were too busy doing Bible studies on how them ‘damned’ Catholics were the Antichrist.

Perhaps I need to exercise the typical American habit before speaking about such matters and prequalify my statements. I am not saying that all Protestants are evil, heavens no. Yet, every time I say the word “Catholic” and the whole church jumps up and down pin-pointing the leaven of the Catholics without even looking into the piles of dung worth of heretical books produced by so-called evangelicals.

Is the rich Catholic history such an evil subject that the Bible warned us not to touch and even beat down on the Catholic wars with Islam? Even during Nazism, there were many more of these ‘damned’ Catholics that chose to die in Hitler’s ovens than there were evangelicals and Protestants put together. Are these Catholics damned to hell despite making a choice to enter Hitler’s furnace? Which of the two is more pleasing to God, the sodomite loving pastor or the Jew loving Catholic who died in the infernos of Hitler’s crematoria?

So who will answer my questions? Will it be some unlearned, half-cocked, spikey-haired, tattooed, nose-pierced, ear ringed, mocking, useless, teenage brained heretic from The Free Grace Movement who will instantly obtain from his own authority to anathematize and excommunicate me since such homosexual sodomite sinners must be welcomed into the fold as Christians without repentance? Will such mutants be the future soldiers who will outdo the Knights of Saint John and fight to thwart the forces of darkness and the devil? What will they use to fight, the earrings of their noses and the spikes of their stupid looking hair? Or perhaps these are the very sons of the devil?

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Must I denounce the Pope as a heretic while I remain silent on America’s pastor, this self-appointed son-of-the-devil-pope named Rick Warren who signs a treaty with Islam saying we “worship the same God”? Dare I say anything on that fattened whore who pussyfoots with homosexuality while he condemns the Crusaders in that very treaty?

Perhaps these things can aid in answering my question, which I’ve asked more than once and no one seems to have answered: During my two-decade walk in my Holy Spirit filled evangelical faith; Jesus said: “I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it”. Well, in two thousand years, who was this church? Was the church lost from the time the authors of the New Testament departed until the time the holy Martin Luther showed up? Hitler used Martin Luther’s demonic writ, On The Jews and Their Lies, to help him rid Europe of six million Jews.

Evangelicals answer this dilemma by saying that the true Church was always there but it was persecuted by them ‘damned’ Catholics. Yet, such answers are impossible to prove. Perhaps some Jesus-style questions will help clarify this issue. So which Christian movement was it that them ‘damned’ Catholics persecuted? Was it the Montanists, Novationists, Donatists, Docetists, Cathars, Albigensians, Waldenses, Hussites, and the followers of Wycliff? Were these “The Church” that Jesus spoke about? Were these the true Bible-believing, evangelical-type, spirit-filled believers?

There is no historian who will tell you that these movements even fit into the definition of evangelical “spirit-filled” model. Such movements, which the Catholics squashed (thank God), were radically non-Christian, heretical, and gnostic. Only the Waldenses and the Hussites were somewhat Christian but even these were closer to Catholicism than they were evangelical. How would a common Holy Spirit-filled evangelical even know what these movements are all about? After all, we only need the Bible and the hell with history, right? To ignore history is to also ignore the Bible.

Even Martin Luther and the Protestant movement, which came up with the Westminster Confession of Faith (WCF) that is adhered to by protestant denominations, in fact, aided the Ottoman Muslims and provided them with tin to build canons to destroy catholic states because in their view, the Catholic Church was the Harlot of Babylon and the Antichrist.

So important was this WCF that it was an essential doctrine of the faith and was non-negotiable. If the Trinity was essential, so was this belief regarding Catholics. Despite Islam’s overt denial of the Trinity, it was never even mentioned in the WCF while the Catholics who prevented the annihilation of Christendom, took precedence over Islam when it came to that document, despite Islam being the religion of Antichrist. Even Martin Luther himself came around on this issue to confess after reading the writing of the Catholic Riccaldo Di Montecroce in his wonderful work, Refutation of The Quran. As a result, Luther changed his views and even according to him Islam was the system of Antichrist, yet the WCF never even included it.

And lest I get into grace versus works theology… One thing is certain; Jesus gave the example about the good worker and the gung-ho church-goers of His day when He chose the Samaritan over the Pharisee who walked by the persecuted beaten naked man and did nothing, claiming he was doing the Lord’s business. If we take that example, the Samaritan in that time would be viewed as the way we view a Catholic; ‘he was all screwed up and got it all wrong’. The Samaritan didn’t even follow Sola Scriptura and his canon of Scripture was missing many books. He even believed such madness that the Temple was on mount Gerizim and not Jerusalem. Yet, Jesus honored the Samaritan over the Pharisee who got both the Bible and Temple correct – but helped not, the persecuted.

When Jesus comes, He will throw in hell many ‘damned’ Catholics and them ‘damned’ Evangelicals for not helping persecuted un-damned Jews, un-damned Catholics and un-damned Evangelicals and other un-damned others (Matthew 25). Today, neither Catholic nor Protestant is doing much to save Christians slaughtered in Muslim countries. Name me the organization that rescues Christians today? There are NONE. We try and our supporters are predominately Armenian, Copts and Assyrians. Where is America’s pastor? Where are the American Evangelicals and Catholics? Perhaps I should follow the Copt, Assyrian or even Armenian and dump this modernized homosexual-loving, Americanized version of Christianity.

While we accuse these ancient churches of holding to deuterocanonical books like The Wisdom of Solomon, which Evangelicals reject, in less than fifty words, sums up the entire purpose of the Incarnation of the Son of God and why God became man:

“While all things were in quiet silence, and the night was in the midst of her swift course, Thine almighty Word leaped out of Heaven out of Thy royal throne, as a fierce man of war, into the midst of a land of destruction.” (Wisdom of Solomon, 18:14-15)

Who is this “Thine almighty Word”? Who was “The Word”? When will He leap from out of Heaven and out of “Thy Royal throne”? When will He be this “man of war”? Is this not a prophecy about Christ coming to battle in the end of days? Who is He battling with? The Catholics, who preserved the Bible – including The Wisdom of Solomon? Has wisdom departed from earth that no man can point it out? Isn’t the Holy Spirit leading me to re-discover such prophecies struck out of the American evangelical Bibles? Is Polycarp who was the student of John unnecessary for study? Was Irenaeus his student so unimportant? Was the Coptic Church that was founded by Saint Mark of the Bible unimportant? Was it not Christ who built that Church in Egypt? Even when the Portuguese first entered India they found native Christians who, to their surprise, declared their apostolic succession to St. Thomas.

When I first became Christian, I entered an Evangelical Church that taught me that in Daniel chapter II, the two legs were the Eastern and Western churches (Orthodox and Catholic) and that these were the spirit of Antichrist. Yet, I never believed them because I examined the Word of God and discovered that Bible prophecies were speaking of Islam. Was I not following the Bible or were these Evangelicals misinterpreting the Bible? It was the Evangelicals who also misinterpreted many things in the Bible.

I reject all doctrines that differ with the Bible but for centuries, Holy Protestants have pointed to several Popes as Antichrist, which have all turned out to be false. Is this not unholy slander? Did Jesus not warn about such damned slanderers?

We trumpet: “my people perish for the lack of knowledge” when we, the ones who trumpet such verses are perishing. There is a difference between knowing the Bible and doing the Bible.

But there is also a difference between emotionally loving Jesus and doing what Jesus says. We preach something. Yet, we follow the opposite; we continue in lacking knowledge.

As a result, we see things from a certain prism we think is holy and is not.

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  • http://www.twitter.com/xthred xthred

    I think you are going a little farther than justified in order to make your point. But, your point is well taken.

    I’m of the evangelical crowd but I rarely attend church because they make me sick. Never a word about the persecuted, let alone a ministry to them. Hearts of stone everywhere.

    • billo

      XTHRED: If you love Jesus you will love His Church. If you want to serve God, REALIZE THE FIRST PLACE YOU WILL GET ATTACKED IS IN YOUR CHURCH BY THE SHEEP WHO ARE EITHER IGNORANT OR OVERCOME WITH SIN AND BY THE MANY GOATS WHO ATTEND. Be a Christian and make a difference. Think of Jesus on the cross when you are tempted to quit. Then remember He died for YOUR SINS TOO! Few in my church advocate and ACT, AS I DO, FOR JEWS, MUSLIMS (WHO NEED CHRIST) AND PERSECUTED CHRISTIANS. I AM HARSHLY CRITICIZED FOR MY ACTIONS AT TIMES. SO WHAT? I love the Church!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Demelza

        MATTHEW 18:20: For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”

        Many Christians like me, believe when we accept Jesus Christ as our Savior, cultivate our faith, and get to know our savior by reading the bible, the church is within our hearts, and not some structural building we go to every Sunday for worship. Of course worship of our Savior can be done every single day in our homes and hearts. I have friends over to my home for bible study and prayers. I stopped attending what some Christians deem as the true church, a building, because I got tired of all the squabbling amongst the congregations. All feel they have the correct spin on the word of God. Lutherans maligning Baptists, Baptist maligning the 7th Day Adventists, The First Christian Church maligning none denominational Christian churches, and so on and so forth. Each thinks they have the correct spin on the interpretation of the bible, and if the rest of us do not believe what they believe, we are all going to hell. The problem is, we ALL fall short of perfection and the glory of God, and I do believe God loves us when we really work hard to show him in our own ignorant, and imperfect human ways, that WE LOVE HIM! The problem with many Christian churches is much squabbling! Many of these churches cannot even look to their commonalities and unite in fighting Islamization, or even helping the less fortunate.

        While in college, I studied religions of the world, and then Islam. With regards to Christian churches I attended during these studies, as soon as I walked into a particular church, and I heard them start to malign another Christian sect, I walked out the door immediately. I was there to study and cultivate my faith, and not to hear maligning of other Christians. Another reason I would walk out, is when I would hear another Christian congregant maligning another Christian congregant. I have always thought we are to attend church so we can get right with God, and not so we check to make sure our neighbor is getting right with God. So I ask, why are so many Christians always looking at the speck in the eye of another Christian Sect? I see this a lot on Facebook, in Christian groups, and it is very disheartening.

        MATTHEW 7:3-11:”3.”Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4.How can you say to your brother, `Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5.You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.”

        While I know there are religions that need to accept Jesus as their savior, I would rather look at our commonalities with them and other Christian sects, and unite to fight Islamization; after all, there are many religions of the world, which have always been able to coexist peacefully, but there is one that has not, and that is ISLAM. Many Christian sects refuse to look at the commonalities of Catholicism. I have heard Christians ignorantly call the Catholic church the Great Harlot, when they do not realize that Islam is the Great Harlot, but that’s another story. Has anyone read the Harbinger, by Jonathon Cahn? He backs with scripture, that Islam is the great harlot.

        Many Christians are down right nasty toward Catholicism, and Catholics. They can only point out the child molestations, or homosexuality issues of the clergy, and how those nasty high ranking Bishops tried to cover it up, and yet, they omit the fact that amongst these corrupt clergy, there have been, and still are many truly pious and selfless clergy. Furthermore, they bring up some corruption in the very past history of the Catholic church, such as those nasty Crusades, and while casting such harsh judgments, these self righteous Christians have NO CLUE ABOUT THE TRUTHS OF THE CRUSADES!! Many Christians will say:’ Oh, but Pope John Paul kissed the Quran, or he may have said we have the same God as Islam, and yet they forget their are several protestant Christian sects that have done this too. Well there you are, even the most learned can be deceived. Still, it does not negate that in the Catholic Church, there are a lot of devout Christians who DO NOT BELIEVE ISLAM HAS THE SAME GOD, OR THAT ISLAM IS A GODLY RELIGION!! Furthermore, there are Christian sects who are either ignorant ,or refuse to point out the pious and saintly Catholic clergy and congregants who have given up their lives to help save the lives of others; especially during WWII. Additionally, the mere word Catholic, or Catholicism is abhorrent to many protestant sect Christians.

        On another note, funny how the main stream media always gets after the Catholic church, somehow holding it to higher standards than other protestant Christian faiths, who have had their own scandals, or corrupt pastors. I could name plenty, but it suffices to know, that scandal and corruption exists in other Christian sects, or organizations. People point out the wealth of the Vatican, and how they accumulated it through the blood sweat,tears of the poor, and corruption, or that Catholics have no charities to help the poor despite all that Vatican wealth? Why do we not look at some of our protestant televangelists like the TBN Network, Benny Hinn, Joyce Hutchinson, Paul and Jan Crouch, and Joel Olsteen who have profited off the finances of hard working Americans!! Before any of the congregant contributions go to help the poor, they take a huge cut for themselves, and their lifestyles of the rich and famous!! Hell, if a rock in the desert was good enough for Jesus to rest his head, why is it not good enough for the likes of these corrupt pastors!!! I don’t recall Jesus every asking for an ARMANI SILK SUIT!!

        So after this long spiel I will say, no, I am not a Catholic, but neither will I condemn them for their sins, for as a Christian, I also know, that our protestant Christian sects are NOT WITHOUT SIN!!! Ultimately, my point in my entire post of gibberish is this, and I may be condemned for saying this by other Christians, but I believe all religions of the world that have been able to coexist, Christians, Jews, Buddhist, Taoist, etc., need to unite for the cause of stopping Islamization. As a Christian, I will always pray all will come to accept Jesus Christ as their Savior, but I would rather live among peaceful none Christian religions, who allow me to have my Christian faith, than live among the satanic, fascist Sharia doctrine of Islam. SO RELIGIONS OF THE WORLD, WHICH COEXIST, AND EVEN THOSE WHO HAVE NO FAITH, BUT SEE THE EVIL ISLAM IS CAUSING IN THE WORLD, LET US UNITE TO ERRADICATE ISLAM, FOR IF WE DO NOT UNITE, IT WILL MAKE THEIR CONQUERING US EASIER!…OK, THAT’S IT… SE FINI…THE END!!!! ;-)

        • harvtrueword

          ty my sentiments exactly. Jesus accepts us as we are, the only requirement being repentance. not what we wear or how much in the way of material wealth we have etc. We are all separated from God by sin. Jesus is our bridge and advocate to God. John 14:6.in the end it will only be Jesus who is able to be a everlasting peace. Everything that man does is based on just that -man and the things of man not God.ty for putting the truth out there and thank you brother walid for allowing it.

        • stroncross

          Throughout the Church’s history, it has warred with Islam.
          Better still, throughout the Church’s history, it has warred with false doctrine. This applies not only to Islam but also the doctrines of men that have infiltrated the church. Where in Scripture do we find a Pope? When did immerse become sprinkle or pour? When did the name of the Church become a name of some man? Where is the sinner’s prayer found in Scripture? When did the simple Gospel become a means of becoming wealthy? When did prayer become an avenue to seduce a brother’s wife or daughter? Not all believers have fallen for these man made practices and doctrines, but as Christian believers all need to investigate their own history and question their accepted beliefs.
          Gera

          • Shirley Anne

            Exactly…… In Our Messianic Fellowship we are Very busy studying Yahweh’s word….. worshipping and singing to His Glory ……. Halleluyah !!!! Futile to Even notice the Speck in brother’s eye… Shalom….

          • naniam

            When he told Peter, “You are the rock on which this Church is built” and said whatever you loose on earth is loosed in heaven, whatever you bind on earth is bound on heaven, Jesus named him Pope. Note that “Pope” isn’t an official title.

            Note that in Thessalonians 2:15, Paul says to practice both scripture and tradition.

            Luke 18:13 Lord, have mercy on me, a sinner.

      • Truthin Christ

        I must agree that too many christians speak & don’t do….. but I must also emphasize that too many also forget to study properly what hath God said on the subject using proper biblical hermeneutics when studying. There is one simple truth being overlooked here the Roman Catholic church teaches salvation thru works this was quite strongly refuted by the apostles and is what caused Martin Luther to leave the church when the Holy Spirit opened his eyes. No matter how much good a particular church does if it alters the truth taught in scripture it will be condemned by the LORD Himself. Sadly when Martin Luther found this truth he tried to use it to convince my ancestors of it in A way they were not ready for & when rejected instead of continuing to love them he turned on them. Well so has the RCC over the centuries butchered mass multitudes of Jews and forced many to convert under penalty of death. While there have been individuals on all sides who have done wonderfully good works for the Jews they are still individuals. History is filled with accounts of atrocities poured out on the people of God’s first covenant. We must look to the scriptures to understand that all this and much more was fortolled it is part of what must be. We must also realize that when men begin to redefine what scripture teaches there will be error…. there can be only one truth Jesus !!!!! It is He And Him alone we must follow, the time is growing very short and like the parable of the virgins teaches we must not be caught short of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit or the door to Heaven will be closed to us. As far as Islam is concerned study Psalm 83, Isaiah 17, which will then be followed by Ezekiel 38 etc. they will be dealt with as God who is not slack in keeping His promises has prophesied. The State of Israel will receive it’s time of glory but this will be short lived as the False Christ will be given power for 7 years and deceive many and the Jews will experience their worst holocaust of all time in the last 3 1/2 years before the partial blindness God has allowed is removed and they repent as a nation. Then and only then will the return of the True Christ and His Bride of the new covenant occur. Jesus told us that not one single letter or mark of His word pass away until all is completed. Praise be to God for His will will be done.

        • Shirley Anne

          TC Dear, You have really studied Hermeneutics ( Study Of Interpretation Of Scripture , for those who don’t know ! ) So succinctly and well presented ! These are surely latter days and we need to stop fussing and carrying on , like the vast majority are doing…. and a lot of false prophets are cashing in on this. Selling books and posting videos !!!!! Quick buck here and there, Who are they proposing to leave it to ??? If you don’t mind , may I copy and post it on FB ? I will await an answer. Thank you much…. I have read the Bible and concentrated on the Books directly dealing with end-times…. Mat. 24 , Luke 21 , Mark 13, Daniel , Psa. 83 , Isa. 17 , 19 , 21. Zech.14, Eze. 37-39 and Rev. However, You have put sequential order to it. Shalom. shirley.

        • naniam

          According to Jesus works matter (Matthew 25:31-46). The people rewarded and punished are done so by their actions. And our thoughts (Matthew 15:18-20) and words (James 3:6-12) are accountable as well.

          • grandmamoses

            Good for YOU, that you speak truth which we don’t want to hear,
            naniam. May U B Blessed for it.
            This is why there will be much sorrow in that Day of the Lord; when rewards are lost in the face of bad deeds. We each will be held accountable for things long forgotten.
            The enemy works hard at making us believe that our whole existence is a free ride to heaven.

        • EasterBunny

          True the one truth is in Jesus, but ignoring what He says is not being true to Jesus; (1) He did found a physical Church (first followers were called “the People of the Way…” (in Bible) (2) He did place His Church under St. Peter (in Bible) [In the 107 A.D. St.Ignatius of Antioch on his way to his martyrdom(because of the many heresies growing in the early Church) "pointed to St Peter in Rome and said the true Church of Jesus is there (truly Catholic (universal)] (3) Jesus also promised to be with HIS Church “to the end of the Ages” [end of the world} (in Bible) (Incidentally "Sola Scriptura" is NOT in the Bible nor even logical since until Gutenberg invented the printing press few Christians had no bibles (1400s) long after Christ died for our sins; (4) I am a Catholic because I can go to any Catholic Church daily and receive the very same Body & Blood that died for me on the Cross (in Bible-"unless you eat of My Flesh and drink of My Blood, you shall not have life within you..." Jesus and (n Bible) God Bless [Let's get back to Jesus Church led by His appointee]

          • grandmamoses

            honey .. the first followers called ‘the way’ were Hebrew and never converted to a new religion. The word “church” is man-made, and was never used by any authors of the gospel writings. The Lord never preached in the Greek language; and the translations from Aramaic are very poor – even altered in many passages – as the verses speaking of ‘the rock’ to Peter (which was never his name)

            I have many Catholic friends whom I love, although it hurts my heart to see them kneel before statues and pray to dead saints.

          • billo

            Dear EasterBunny: The Roman Catholic Church is not the “true church of Jesus.”

            First, the RCC is in error regarding the means of salvation. The Nrw Testament is clear: Our salvation was completely purchased by Christ on the cross. Our salvation is by grace through faith alone. Our righteousness is imputed and is not an actual sinless perfection which is the only state of a soul that God will accept. God only accepts the sinless perfection of Jesus that is imputed to the saints through their faith in His blood sacrifice at Calvary “once for all.”

            Peter is not the “Rock” the church is founded on. The “Rock” is Christ and the proclaimation of Christ.

            The Book of Acts records that James and not Peter presided over the Council of Jerusalem. James, not Peter, provided the final determination and instructions to Paul and Barnabas. The Council met due to the fact that Peter was unwilling and unable to fulfill the command that God personally gave him to preach the Gospel of Grace to the Gentiles. The central authority of the church in Jerusalem was legalistic and had to be persuaded through much debate to accept that the Gospel was to be preached to the Gentiles and that the Gentile believers did not have to be circumcised and follow the Law of Moses.

            Peter was clearly guilty of heresy as clearly and straightforwardly recorded in Galatians. Paul rebuked him for this heresey in front of everybody in Antioch. His heresy was teaching that there was something other than faith in Jesus and His shed blood that was required for salvation and sanctification.

            In John’s Gospel, when Jesus preaches that it is necessary to eat His Body and drink His Blood He later clearifies: Here’s what He said in John 6:64: (Douay Rheims version)

            ” It is the spirit that quickeneth: the flesh profiteth nothing. The words that I have spoken to you, are spirit and life.”

            You, like so many others, continue to distort the Gospel by adding conditions other than faith in Jesus and His death. There is nothing: no ritual, practice, code, commandment, sacriment, service, liturgy, formula…nothing other than faith in Jesus and Him crucified that saves or makes holy.

          • shirleyanne12

            TRANSUBSTANTIATION MEANS YOU ARE REPEATEDLY PUTTING YESHUA BACK ON THE TREE !!!
            THAT IS BLASPHEMY !!!!
            ALL YOUR THEOLOGY WAS CO-MINGLED WITH THAT EVIL EMPEROR CONSTANTINE !
            OPEN THE BIBLE AND READ IT FOR YOURSELF.
            STOP BEING SPOON-FED BY THOSE FROCKED MEN!!!!

          • Jack Reacher

            And as such the Catholics crucify Christ over and over again in the Eucharist, and deny Christ’s one sacrifice was enough. Even he said “It is finished.” meaning the enemy has been defeated once and for all. They worship a cookie, and claim it is Christ embodied.
            Catholics say that it is anathema to say they are saved, when the Bible makes clear that “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
            It is also anathema to say salvation is by grace alone, when the Bible clearly states that very fact.
            I could go on, but shouldn’t have to. That is enough to declare Catholicism in error, and fase doctrine. No man is inerrant as they declare the Pope to be. The very pope we have this very day recently said that atheists could be saved by following their conscience. Really? Jesus said plainly: “I am the way and the truth and the life, no one comes to the father but by me.”
            I don’t agree that the Catholic Church should get credit for saving the world from Islam. Every Christian back then was by default and by force (just like Islam) a Catholic, because they were not allowed to be otherwise. It was the same coercion the muslims use.

      • dahcargo

        Billo, I would copy and paste the whole speech, but I fear that most wouldn’t read it in its entirety. I know that Catholicism has been discussed quite a bit on this site, but I’m concerned that most people don’t understand how twisted the false religion of Catholicism is. I thank God that Walid’s wife converted from Catholicism to Christianity. As Walid has said, “when someone converts, they’re making a change from falsehood to truth” I TOO lift up the “Book of Shoebat” and am thankful that his wife is discerning.

        I do however, think that most Christians should listen to a very well studied, thought out, factually correct and timely sermon on Catholicism. Here is the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxmXiCUXjDI

        The problem is that no one in Christendom believes that Islam parallels Christianity, however, many believe that Catholicism is just another denomination within the Christian faith. Unfortunately, many Christians fall for the ecumenism approach that supposed “Catholic/Christian connection when there is none.

        This is a direct quote from Pope John Paul II:

        ADDRESS OF HIS HOLINESS JOHN PAUL II
        TO YOUNG MUSLIMS

        It is therefore towards this God that my thought goes and that my heart rises: it is of God himself that, above all, I wish to speak with you; of him, because it is in him that we believe, you Muslims and we Catholics. I wish also to speak with you about human values, which have their basis in God, these values which concern the blossoming of our person, as also that of our families and our societies, as well as that of the international community. The mystery of God, is it not the highest reality from which depends the very meaning which man gives to his life? And is it not the first problem that presents itself to a young person, when he reflects upon the mystery of his own existence and on the values, which he intends to choose in order to build his growing personality?

        BTW, John Paul kissed the Quran at that time he exclaimed that heresy.

        Andrew

        • AbuShy

          The last pope Benedict, the one who just retired, started out strong. But his first comments out of the gate about Islam, how the Orthodox Church in Constantinople cried for help,just before it became “Istanbul”—because of the depredations of Mohammedism—that really played into the hand of the world’s most peaceful religion, the world of Islam which immediately responded to his comments by “being offended” about his truthful rendition of history. So the war of attrition on this fellow, the one who followed John Paul and just retired, obviously had its effect.

          Islam has had 1400 years of its “by whatever means it takes, the end justifies the means, by any means whatsoever” approach to dealing with the truth. It is Satanically inspired and demon possessed in terms of its true believers. It knows how to divide and conquer.

        • billo

          Brother dacargo: I agree with you Brother. The RCC is not faithful to the Gospel and is so very wrong about many things including Islam.

          Many Catholics either refuse to admit it or just ignore it.

          I was raised in the RCC, attended RCC high school and University.

          As a kid, I would, when thinking or hearing the story of the repentant thief on the cross say to myself: ‘I wish I was the thief on the cross with Jesus so He would tell me that “today you will be with Me in paradise.”

          Now I know that I (and We) am and are that thief.

          God bless you Brother.

          Sola Scriptura

          • dahcargo

            God bless you billo. I love to hear the testimonies and thoughts of those who know Christ. The Holy Spirit draws us in so many ways. As a former womanizer, brawler, anarchist, et al, I often feel that I am not worthy of salvation! The truth is that I’m NOT worthy, which is the beginning of understanding salvation. Thank God that He has imputed His righteousness to us so that now both YOU and I will see Him in heaven. I will also see you, which will be a blessing.

            Andrew

    • craigpflaum

      The Muslim onslaught into Europe was stopped in 732 at Tours. This was before the Papacy did most of its erroneous stuff. The western church didn’t split officially from the eastern church until 1054. The crusades occurred later. In effect, the Roman church was the first protestant church.

      • naniam

        Neither the Catholic Church nor the Orthodox is protestant. You need to read about the Battle of Vienna, Lepanto, Malta…the Ottomans tried many times to overtake Europe but by the help of Our Lady and the Rosary were turned back.

    • harvtrueword

      thank you once again brother walid,i know in heaven someday there will be no divisions as to color race or denomination, this fact alone is worthy of praise. I have grown up as a member of the main Christian churches, not catholic, but Baptist. that means nothing what means anything at all is what is in my heart, my inner character, my inner solid set core”i will die for it” belief.in my youth in school I joined and was active in the local ”Jesus Freak” movement we as young people while following a designated leader were essentially all leaders in the sense that we were indeed spirit filled, let me stop here and address your analytical thinking, you say well if you were spirit filled then why aren’t you now? I am but to the degree that life has in grinding us down in the course of time it is the weakening of the flesh but never the spirit. Inwardly I am as strong as ever you see? those early days in my life are to cherished forever. I grew up with a old fashioned Baptist dad(no southern Baptist convention type) and a old fashioned Pentecostal mother= nitro glycerin in the home almost on a daily basis. yes I know we should marry like belief to like belief to preserve peace in the home -agreed.overall what im long eludeing too is this : the body of Christ is more than a building no matter how grand it is more than anything in this world. it goes into the spiritual realm not the physical often times we allow ourselves to be deluded in our thinking because that is what most matches up to either how we were brought up and believe me that programing is hard to get away from. But everything must be done on a spiritual level. this is where the Holy Spirit comes in,there is no such thing as a continuing vacuum, that empty spot will be filled.that is why I feel yes that we as Christians should strive to always be our best, look our best,etc I know all these requirements by pastors of the mainstream churches out there have their own beliefs that if we don’t look a certain way dress a certain way or speak act etc a certain way then we are not Gods own. that is blatantly false, that is a judgment from their heart that will be dealt with.believe me I have set under such ”men of God” in such a atmosphere no one can grow spiritually. I have come up against those that have been demonically possessed those that that are so deluded in their thinking telling me of their strange going ons inside their church,i have set down before 7 pastors all evangelical in their core beliefs and counseled them with nothing more than Gods Holy word and and came out on top. I have taught sunday school to boys age s 10-12 not a easy thing as by this age they are fully indoctrinated by their parents beliefs.under one pastor I felt in my heart truly called to service, but he pastor I was under was more impressed by who had fortune and material wealth rather than anyone with a true calling, I have since forgiven this person but I have never stepped foot in his ”establishment” again.so many things, but for any man I will not compromise on my core beliefs by core beliefs I mean to say those that are written in stone on the tables of my heart. There is something to be found inherently wrong with all religions. religions are all man made not God made, God cannot be defined as a religion, at best it can be defined as a living breathing daily on into eternity relationship. brother I love you I love the way you look at things because they way you look at things makes people really dig in deep and think about true or false they really are. how deep or shallow they are spiritually. thank you for this whether it is your purpose or not. Down here in this old sewer the earth as we know it the battle will always rage on, but with God all has been settled long ago. thank you brother for your enlightenment. God bless you and your family.

    • Truthin Christ

      While I must agree the American church is fulfilling the end times prophecy of becoming apostate, the catholic church which claims in it’s doctrine that the pope is christ on earth and has the right to reinterpret scripture at will is not teaching truth either. If G-d chose to use the catholic church to stop the advance of Islam then that is His right after all this is His world. Jesus told us to go forth and make disciples and to spread the gospel message to the four corners of the world. We cannot stop what G-d has ordained and set in motion we can only change our relationship with G-d. We are to refute false teaching in love and when they ( including those who claim to be serving the LORD) reject us we are to pick up our blessing and shake the dust off our feet and go on looking for those who have been called and will receive the truth. Jesus said all these thing’s must take place and then will come the end and for the true believer to look up when you see these things for our redemption is coming, we will soon be called to the true Bema seat and taken out before His wrath is poured out on the whole world that Paul taught this is our comfort praise be to G-d.

    • Shirley Anne

      Is it then O.K. to point a finger at them ‘Damned’ Catholics OR Protestants OR Evangelicals ??? What kind of ‘Samaritan’ are we being to the Persecuted Church ??? At any rate, the Protestants are Just REBELLIOUS Daughters of the Holy Roman Catholic Church.

      • grandmamoses

        Shirley ~
        In reference to “persecuted believers”
        Beyond all our personal misconception of prophecy, divisions & finger*pointing – this is one reason I’ve admired Walid for years.
        “In a place where there are no men, be a man”
        (Pirke Avot – The Ethics of the Fathers 2:5)
        I only hope (even as a woman) I can stand against persecution in the same manner; as lethargic believers cause Messiah to vomit.
        ( Paul said – no distinction of male or female in God’s Kingdom)

        • Shirley Anne

          Grandmamoses ~ Thank you …. Thank you…. I have been much Blessed In my Fellowship with Messianic Believers… Yahshua’s Promise… Be of good cheer , I have Overcome the world …. With His Ruach Hakodosh within, One gets a peace that surpasses ALL understanding …. And NO one can take that away …. Resting in His Shabbat and Enjoyig His Feast days, brings ALL the comfort a human being needs…. Throughout History there has been much persecution and very troubling times ….. Yahweh’s people are always TROUBLED By hashatan ! The difference being that NOW , with all , the modern Tech. we get the news INSTANTLY ! Also, We are getting close to the Completion of His 7,000 year plan. I Have learned so much from Mark Biltz , Jim Staley , Bill Cloud , Brad Scott , and Now Am learning fromRabbi Ralph Messer ! Shalom, dear. Shirley.

        • Shirley Anne

          grandmamoses … This newsletter is constantly in circulation… I was notified of a new comment.. Can’t find it.. Got to re-read some old ones.. July 14 , in particular, wherein you blessed naniam… Now there is nothing wrong with blessing and you may well have some insight that is more accurate than you may know !!! I have noticed that naniam and Ruddy Carrera are the only 2 that have their screen logo and face showing, respectively. naniam is RCC and so is the other guy… The rest of us have weird looking screen insignia !!! Was just wondering what that could be all about ???

    • masteele7

      If you think that the church should minister to the persecuted why aren’t you in church ministering to the persecuted?

  • Jesus Freak64

    Oh Brother Shoebat you are going to have many people be offended by this article…lol. I love it! I don’t know how many times the leaders of the institutional church today have been offended by the things I have said. Then I would remember the Lord offended all of them with His words of truth. Remember when the 70 left and he asked Peter and the 12 well you leaving too? They replied with the greatest words ever spoken, where would we go Lord you have the words of LIFE. Jesus said you shall know the truth and the truth will make you free. I believe the reason that Americans are so bound is because they have chosen to believe lies and honor lies rather than truth. The American people voted overwhelmingly to elect the President of lies rather than reject it. I know I am probably sounding political, however it was a picture of the demonic oppression sweeping across this land. To believe a lie and be “Damned”. Thank you for your words of truth and I pray that the ears of the people of this Christian Nation be unlocked to hear the words of Life!

    • billo

      “The American people voted overwhelmingly to elect the President of lies rather than reject it.”

      Correct. Here’s an approximate break-down of Obama’s support according to PEW:

      Protestant-42% for Obama (57% for Romney)
      Roman Catholics-50% for Obama (48% for Romney)
      Jews-69% Obama (30% for Romney)

      I personally voted for Romney. I will in the future not vote for anyone WHO FAILS TO CALL OUT ISLAM FOR ITS SINS, AUTHORITARIANISM, DECEPTION, VIOLENCE, SHARIA, JIHAD, ADVOCACY FOR DHIMMIATUDE, PERSECUTION OF CHRISTIANS AND OTHER NON MUSLIMS, ANTI-DEMOCRATIC NATURE, ABUSE OF WOMEN, HATRED OF JEWS AND ISRAEL, PERSECUTION OF COPTS, ORTHODOX, MARIONITES, PROTESTANTS AND ROMAN CATHOLICS AND ADVOCACY OF SLAVERY.

  • canadianguy

    Interesting article. I wish I could have you come out to Manitoba, Canada!

    • Shirley Anne

      Yes, We also need him in Ontario, Canada…. In fact globally….. He has Such a vast knowledge of History, in addition to the most important subject…. God’s Word !

  • billo

    Brother Walid: I am an ex-Catholic and a fundamentalist, evangelical Christian. Needless to say I disagree with much of the theology of the RCC. Your points are well taken, factual and truthful. Still, lets stick to the matter at hand: The Church v. Islam TODAY. TODAY. It is valid and needful to criticize Glenn Beck, Rick Warren or ANYONE else who professes Christ (in the broadest of senses) and manifests Chrislam. The most complicit and dhimmi-like pronouncements of Rick Warren or anyone else who embrances Chrislam ARE FOUND THE THE RCC CATECHISM. I PERSONALLY KNOW OF CATHOLIC CHURCHES IN THE U.S. WHO READ FROM THE Q’RAN IN AN ATTEMPT TO PROMOTE “UNDERSTANDING.” Why do the Catholics who do the exact same thing get a pass? The laziness, ignorance, dhimmiatude, evil and heresey of PROTESTANT EVANGELICALS ARE REGULARLY noted by many of us Protestant evangelicals. Yet, when the very same, exact, precise heresey of Chrislam is pointed out as in the RCC it is somehow interpreted as Catholic bashing.

    • Demelza

      I am sure a lot of us know evangelical and Catholic Churches who condone Christlam, and plenty coming from both sides. My Doctor is a evangelical, whose church had Mormons and Buddhist as guest speakers. He informed me when his little son had nightmares, he would have him incorporate Buddhist meditations to help him sleep, as if praying and asking our Savior for help was not enough!!

      I would like to ask if you can you show me where in the Baltimore Catechism Christlam is embraced, so I can make note of this? As for your claim of knowing Catholics churches in the US, which read from the Quran, I know of none thus far, even in the modern Catholic church, unless they are renegade runaways, and in that case the Roman Catholic Church doe not recognize them anyway. Many of these renegade Catholic groups are considered apostates. In any case, please let me know which Catholic Churches you speak of who are using the Quran, as I would love to research them and personally call them by phone to discuss their use of the Quran. I know of traditional Roman Catholic sects, who are considered apostates of the Vatican II, because they refuse to practice what they feel to be the modern Catholic Church heresies.

      • billo

        According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church (current),1 paragraph 841, Muslims together with the Catholics, “adore the one, merciful God.”

        Here’s the text:

        “841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”

        Also from “DECLARATION ON THE RELATION OF THE CHURCH TO NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS,” Nostra Aetate, 10/28/1965:

        “The Church has also a high regard for the Muslims. They worship
        * God, who is one, living and subsistent, merciful and almighty, the
        * Creator of heaven and earth,[1] who has also spoken to men. They
        * strive to submit themselves without reserve to the bidden decrees of
        * God, just as Abraham submitted himself to God’s plan, to whose faith
        * Muslims eagerly link their own. Although not acknowledging him as God,
        * they worship Jesus as a prophet, his virgin Mother they also honor,
        * and even at times devoutly invoke. Further, they await the day of
        * judgment and the reward of God following the resurrection of the dead.
        * For this reason they highly esteem an upright life and worship God,
        * especially by way of prayer, alms-deeds and fasting.”

        • hitoall

          Catechism of the Catholic Church
          841 was referenced by billo pointing out those who believe in the One God of Abraham.
          The reader would then read item 844 as follows:
          844   In their religious behavior, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them: (29)

          Very often, deceived by the Evil One, men have become vain in their reasonings, and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and served the creature rather than the Creator. Or else, living and dying in this world without God, they are exposed to ultimate despair.333

          29      But this “intimate and vital bond of man to God” (GS 19,1) can be forgotten, overlooked, or even explicitly rejected by man.3 Such attitudes can have different causes: revolt against evil in the world; religious ignorance or indifference; the cares and riches of this world; the scandal of bad example on the part of believers; currents of thought hostile to religion; finally, that attitude of sinful man which makes him hide from God out of fear and flee his call.4 (2123-2128, 398)

          It isn’t Just to read selectively and then condemn.

          • billo

            Dear hitoall: The fact is that the Catechism states emphatically that Muslims worship the same God as Christians do. Of course, Catholicism preaches that the only true worshiping of God is through the RCC.

            Glenn Beck or Rick Warren or a host of Protestant apostates would and do say essentially the same thing that the Catholics state: The Muslims are not perfect in their faith, but their are elements of truth.

            Even Rick Warren DENIES EMPHATICALLY THAT WHICH THE RCC CATECHISM ASSERTS:

            RCC CATECHISM:

            “the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge” The RCC asserts that “together with us they adore the one, merciful God,”

            Rich Warren says:

            A recent newspaper article claimed you believe Christians and Muslims worship the same God,
            Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/exclusive-rick-warren-flat-out-wrong-that-muslims-christians-view-god-the-same-70767/#M6lZIm2f2fU1Ij9T.99

            First, as I’ve already said, Christians have a fundamentally different view of God than Muslims. We worship Jesus as God. Muslims don’t. Our God is Jesus, not Allah. Colossians 2:9 “For in Christ dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.”
            Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/exclusive-rick-warren-flat-out-wrong-that-muslims-christians-view-god-the-same-70767/#M6lZIm2f2fU1Ij9T.99

            As much as I respect the Shoebats and respect and support them, they need to criticize the RCC as well as anyone else who is compromising with Islam.

            If my evangelical Protestant Pastor said what the RCC Catechism states: I WOULD REBUKE HIM EVEN PUBLICALLY!

          • Shirley Anne

            hitoall , Why then doesn’t the RCC obey what they already have in their catechism…. guess then, that most people are missing the mark …. This subject matter is being read selectively and condemned by people on both sides of the fence !!!

    • Lisa

      That isn’t all the catechism has to say. Here’s the rest:

      843 The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as “a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life.”332

      844 In their religious behavior, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them:

      Very often, deceived by the Evil One, men have become vain in their reasonings, and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and served the creature rather than the Creator. Or else, living and dying in this world without God, they are exposed to ultimate despair.”

      • billo

        Lisa: If Rick warren or Glenn Beck said what the RCC Catechism says they would (justifiably) be excoriated by many, including the Shoebats. My point, which is proven over and over by the posts of Catholics and others is simply this: Many among Christians (especially among Protestants, evangelicals, pentecostals, fundamentalists) are either complicit or ignorant and useless when it comes to opposing, exposing and resisting Islam. This group includes the Roman Catholic Church. The Catholics, due to their insistance that they are right about everything, refuse to criticize anything that comes from the Magesterium (which includes the Catechism). If Rick Warren kissed the Q’ran publically (as the Pope did), if he (which he did) simply endorsed the “Common Word” initiative (which the Pope did), if Rick Warren said the Muslims and Christians worship the same diety (which the RCC Catechism emphatically states)-then Rick Warren would be soundly and rightly criticized by the Shoebats and others. But the RCC gets a pass due to their military resistance to Islam 500 years ago?

      • grandmamoses

        LOOK AT THEIR “SIGN /MARK”

        God has a way of marking His set-apart servants.
        “You shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes” Deut 6:8
        This symbolizes man’s thought & deed – as the “mark of the beast” is on the forehead & hand.

        GOD’S OTHER SIGN (seal) IS SABBATH.
        ‘You must observe My Sabbaths as a SIGN between Me and you for the generations to come..”

        We all know the first thing on the agenda of the Roman church was to axe Sabbath observance.

        The E.U. has a new Law in place: Working Time Directive
        European Sunday Alliance

        As in the days of Constantine (symbolic first Pope) when Hebrew Messianics were put to death b/c of Sabbath observance ..
        God’s final remnant will also face the same persecution.

        Hurt not the earth, sea or trees ’til we have sealed the servants of our God
        … those who come out of great tribulation /war with the remnant
        … the remnant which keeps God’s Commandments AND hold to the testimony of Yeshua Ha’Mashiach.

        • Shirley Anne

          Grand ma Moses…. I have learned so much from Mark Biltz , Jim Staley, Rico Cortes and Bill Cloud On Our Hebriac Roots… We will hold fast to Our Yahshua Ha’Mashiach….. TO BE HIS FAITHFUL REMNANT, COVENANTED ISRAELITES ! Shalom.

          • grandmamoses

            Shirley-
            Maybe we shouldn’t find ourselves all caught up in a messy*antic movement, either. Even THOSE groups are at odds over true bloodlines & kosher rules ~~same issues the first disciples quarreled about.

            Theodore wrote a book when he was still a little boy, revealing false foundations of man-made religion. Isn’t it possible that the final government will be an unholy, politically religious UNION of Islam AND pagan elements of ALL Christianity? It seems like our sub-titles are meaningless to God.
            The true remnant of this generation desperately relies on God’s
            “compass” alone.
            Doctrinal voices and religious mindsets are hazardous, misleading road signs.

        • Shirley Anne

          Grandmamoses, thank you…. I shall observe vigilantly… Won’t get ”CAUGHT UP ” raptured out of here … I am facetiously using pre-tribbers vocabulary !!! With their MOVEMENT… Lest it be a bm ! NO , will only get the Message and NOT follow the Messenger… Thank you… I Have been loaned a video series on Bamidbar by Rabbi Ralph Messer. Speaking about the Trust Deed to the Land, Our Kingdom here on earth, That Adam gave away to hasatan.

    • Shirley Anne

      I personally think it is because a high percentage of Expositors of Eschatology are teaching that the ” Beast,” mentioned in Revelation, is going to come from the Vatican !

  • billo

    Brother Walid: As a fundamentalist, evangelical Protestant I recognize that your criticisms of Protestants ARE LEGITIMATE, FACTUAL AND NEED TO BE ADDRESSED BY PROTESTANTS AND ESPECIALLY THEY ARE DIRECTED AGAINST”SPIRIT FILLED” CHRISTIANS. Repentance and ACTION is needed. God forgive the “Spirit filled” Protestant churches for their laziness, complacentcy, ignorance and lack of love for our FELLOW CHRISTIANS (I.E. ROMAN CATHOLICS, COPTS, ORTHODOX, MARIANITES).

    The RCC needs to do the same! Again, their Catechism states the following:

    “841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”

    This statement is as unsound and in the spirit of Chrislam as anything Rick Warren, Glenn Beck or anyone else has stated.

    Also, the RCC is the biggest proponent of Replacement Theology in the world.

    I consider Catholics fellow Christians. They, like us Protestants, especially along with self professed “Spirit filled” Protestants NEED TO REPENT!

    • Clare

      Catholics in America have plenty of factual information about Islam and the danger and threat of this ideology. Michael Voris of ChurchMilitant has numerous programs about the Crusades, the Inquisition, heresies, the occult and so forth, that reveal Islam. That Islam is a heresy, a garbled, twisted, mangled version of Catholic Church teachings, combined with a distortion of Jewish teachings. Also, on ChurchMilitant there is a movie review of the documentary of “Obsession” about radical Islam and the suggestion that “everyone should see this film”. And so on. Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch continually and steadily calls the Catholic Church to task with the truth about Islam, has guidelines for “interfaith dialogue” that point to the truth of Islam’s motives, has college debates with Catholics. These are only two, but there are hundreds of Catholic articles and references to the truth about Islam that have been presented to Catholic audiences or that are written by Catholics themselves.
      Many Catholics, however, do not find these web sites. Their parish is in with the PC thing, the inclusive thing, and so genuinely don’t know about Islam. The Catholic Church as a whole needs this official understanding to be amended in my opinion and I hope Pope Francis does correct this ignorance. Many Catholics are working toward that end as you can see and this is something that can be amended.

      • Verity Jane

        Hi Clare, Thanks v. much for this. Did you see in recent Islam-aware e-news that an ex-Muslim, baptised by the Pope (Benedict?), has left the RCs because he is dismayed at the lack of awareness of the heretical nature of Islam. It is antithetical to the Gospel, teaching and modelling hate instead of the love taught by our Saviour. I’ve been on edge of my seat since the Conclave to see whether Pope Francis will speak boldly. His first move of canonising those folks martyred by Muslims looked like a good start but we need great boldness and clarity. My opinion is that Pope Benedict saw this and was only pushed to back down from what he said at Regensburg.

      • Demelza

        The modern Catholic Church has lost its way.

    • naniam

      So kind of you to consider Catholics, members of the only Church that Christ founded, to be Christians. Note also that Maronites are Catholics.

      • Leah

        Yeshua didn’t “found” Catholicism. Sorry. He was a Jew who lived and taught Torah.

      • jackrussell

        The only church that Christ founded was the one made up of every single person who believes in Christ as the savior, the death, burial, and resurrection, and the salvation purchased purely by grace in the shed blood of Christ. No contributing works on the part of the saved, lest the blood of Christ be diminished. All who accept this free gift of righteousness by grace alone are a part of the church that Christ established.

    • jackrussell

      Billo, I truly enjoy your contributions and agree with them as far as every detail I’ve read from you. I would also like to encourage you to check out the ministry of Brannon Howse called Worldview Weekend (dot) com . God uses him to identify the Joel Osteens, Rick Warrens, and even the Glenn Becks of this world and how Satan is fooling much of the flock with these charlatans. He has built such an amazing library of information regarding everything from John Maynard Keynes, to an expose’ of the Jesuits, the Fabian society, etc. I can’t recommend his research and his Biblical basis highly enough.

    • Leah

      Anyone who thinks the god of Islam and the God of Christianity are the same, needs to repent!

  • billo

    With all my posts today here is another I stand by: God belss Walid and Theodore Shoebat. You guys are courageous warriors for Christ! I love you in the Lord. You have blessed me greatly. Your prophetic message, from Jesus, is powerful. I attended the Sarasota, FL Jewish Community Center speech by Walid and wept for joy and for sorrow. I pray for you guys daily. I WILL NOT BE SILENCED! God bless you in Jesus’ Name.

    • Shirley Anne

      NEITHER WILL I…… GOD BLESS YOU, WALID & YOUR FAMILY, IMMEASURABLY…. I HAVE LEARNED SOOOO MUCH ABOUT ESCHATOLOGY AND HISTORY !!!!

  • dahcargo

    I give no credence to any heretic for a second. For many years I have shunned what some Christians believe to be the modern day evangelicals. The problem is that we don’t name names and expose these frauds. I was a pastor for a few years, stepping in to fill a need in a very troubled church. To this day I find it extremely difficult to find ANY church in my area to worship in and learn more about the full “council” of God.

    I see little to no discernment from most Christians today mainly because they don’t know God’s word. Most television evangelicals are like the Pharisees of Jesus’ day. They “appear” to have the “outside of their cups and dishes” clean, but inwardly they are full of greed and wickedness. As we know, we’re to focus on our inward self” and then we will be clean. BTW, here’s a hint, beware of those who smile a lot, you know, the Schullers and Osteens of “evangelicalism. If people like this knew God’s word, they wouldn’t be teaching contrary to it. They would realize that adding to or taking away from God’s word will demand consequences.

    We need to start our separation from those who we KNOW do not honor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ. To recognize the Pseudo-brothers we need look no further than those who are signatories of “A Common Word”. I shun the health, wealth, prosperity teachers just a much as I shun a man who prays to Mary, wears a gold crown and lives in the Vatican. I shun evil wherever it is. Where is the Catholic Church of old? Why is it seemingly being taken over by Muslims?

    America is/was great because it “protested” the theology of old Europe. men who knew the truth and practiced it. Now, I believe the Democrat party is the Romans 1 party. Everything God hates and then lists in Romans 1 is precisely that which the Democrat party reveres! C’mon folks, let’s open our eyes. Remember the Democratic convention where the democrats had to “put God back in to the platform”?

    God blessed America and now, I believe He has abandoned her. God judged Israel several times and I believe He is still judging her. There will be a time when Israel will “look on the one whom they have pierced and mourn, as a mother mourns over the death of her son”. That has yet to happen, and in the meantime, there is nothing but TROUBLE. God even uses Satan to judge people (sometimes for no apparent reason). Look at Job, Paul and several other people found in scripture. God is using Islam to judge/awaken the church today, it’s as clear as day. Yes, there is a devil, but he is God’s devil and can do nothing without God’s approval.

    God is not in heaven wringing His hands worried about how it all will turn out! Jesus said, “It is finished”. Walid is right when he quotes Matthew16: 18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Of course we know that Jesus was talking about what Peter had just said, and that is that Jesus was the Christ, the son of the living God.

    Remember:

    “Matt 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.”

    2 Cor 6:14. — what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?— 17.Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18. And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.” So, God wants his people to stand for righteousness and not for tolerance.

    BTW, Try being a protestant in the 16th century:

    “In 1559, John Calvin began a seminary in Geneva to train young church planters. We know that Calvin sent at least 88 church planters to his native country of France, possibly many more. It was dangerous to plant churches in France because of anti-Protestant sentiment. In fact, it was so dangerous that the Academy of Geneva became known as “Calvin’s School of Death” because so many graduates went out to martyrdom. If any of our seminaries today were nicknamed “The School of Death,” they would be empty!”

    Andrew

    • billo

      Andrew: As a Protestant, evangelical, I can say, your statements are typical of many evangelicals. Many of us call out and exposed the failures and evils among us, including our own. We realize, as James in his epistle stated: “We all do err in many ways.” We are willing to repent of sin and do so. We trust Jesus and only Jesus for our righteousness. We know that love is an action verb. That being said, there are some, within Christianity, among evangelicals and especially Catholics, who beileve that whatever is declared from their church or their leaders is without any possible error. Thus, any questioning or criticism of their pronouncements is unacceptable. Thus, pronouncements like the RCC Catechism cannot be questioned by the faithful.

      “841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”

      Pope Benedict endorsed the “Common Word” initiative:

      [T]he more recent A Common Word letter …. echoed a
      theme consonant with my first encyclical: the unbreakable
      bond between love of God and love of neighbour,
      and the fundamental contradiction of resorting to violence
      or exclusion in the name of God (cf. Deus Caritas
      Est, 16).
      —H.H. Pope Benedict XVI, May 9th 2009,
      at the King Hussein Mosque in Amman, Jordan

      The Pope’s endorsement is not much different than Rick Warren’s.

      • dahcargo

        billo-

        I certainly agree with your statement “the Pope’s endorsement is not much different than Rick Warren’s”. Muslims however, do not have the faith of Abraham in the purest theological sense, in fact, quite the contrary. As you remember, it was Abraham’s disobedience to God, which set into motion the whole problem with the promised son Isaac vs. the illegitimate son Ishmael. The problem isn’t that Muslims don’t believe in a creator, it’s that the god of the Muslims is NOT the creator. Read John 1, Col. 1 and Genesis 1. The “creator” is found throughout Holy Scripture but is bastardized in the accounts cited in the Quran.

        When I speak from a pulpit, I have NO authority other than that which comes from the correctly proclaimed word of God. Remember, a pastors warning in James 3:1, Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment. This is very much unlike speaking as the “Vicar” of Christ which when speaking Ex Cathedra it equates to Papal authority speaking from his seat.

        As brother Walid has correctly stated, the Muslims are guilty of the unpardonable sin; they boldly fall into the category of the spirit of the anti-Christ i.e. 1John 2:22.

        Andrew

        • billo

          Bro Andrew: I agree with everything you say here. Certainly, the text: “and together with us they adore the one, merciful God,” in the RCC Catechism is erroneous, heretical, misleading, dhimmi-like and heretical. They do not in any way know or adore the God of Israel, who is the only real God.

          Go to the “Common Word” website:

          http://www.acommonword.com/

          Here’s a direct quote form the Hom Page:

          “Unprecedented Global Acceptance
          Since the launch of A Common Word, hundreds of Muslim
          and Christian scholars, leaders and intellectuals have approved
          and commented on the initiative; including H.H. the Pope
          and many grand muftis.”

          Rick Warren and the Pope are included. Enough said. God bless you borther.

          The camel is indeed in the tent.

          • Soldier

            The “acceptance” of the “Common Word” is clearly represented in the numbers who have visited the site. The only thing “Unprecedented” about it is the hype.

            Billo and Andrew,

            As Christians, and I mean those that truly attempt to follow the path of our Lord, we must pray for grace, understanding, forgiveness, guidance, fearlessness, strength and above all, our Lords eternal Love. Without His enduring Love, nothing is possible. Only by keeping His Love in your heart, the Spirit in our souls and his promise in our minds will we be able to DO his work. ACTS are fruit of His Love. Evangelism is our calling. Spreading his Love through our ACTS the mission. Luke 10:25-37 “Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” We must all be as the Samaritan. He loved a beaten stranger unconditionally; giving fully the gift of his “self”. ALL of it. All are pardonable in the eyes of the Lord. Even at his end, the Lord pardoned the sinner who was “with Me in Paradise”. Peace …

            By assured that if you walk with the Lord and LISTEN when you are called … you will know when it is time, to “Do whatever he tells you to do.” – John 2:5

      • naniam

        Wow! You should really read the Catechism before you start; the Magisterium has worked for 2000 years to interpret the Word of God. There’s no prohibition on questioning things; however, the Pope, together with the Holy Spirit steers the barque of Peter. The only time he is infallible is when he speaks on doctrine. The last infallible statement a pope made was in 1950, when Pope Pius XII declared the Assumption of Mary to be doctrine. That was what, 6 popes ago? Totally separate from the Catechism.

        • Soldier

          Naniam,

          We Catholics have a much longer time as erring humans in history. Unfortunately, “historians” have practiced the “rule of politics and media”, finding failure more interesting than successes. If none of you have read, “Rediscovering Catholism” by Matthew Kelly yet, you will find not just a Catholic-centric view of the RCC, but what is ailing humanity today.

    • stroncross

      Andrew, have you in your efforts started a congregation of the Lord’s Church following the Scriptures rather than the teaching of men? You can start by calling bible themes by Bible names, determine what Jesus taught concerning salvation and how a person becomes a child of God. Restore the first century worship and love for brethren in Christ. Also check out the order and organization taught in the Bible. When you start doing these things you will find the true Church that Jesus shed his blood for.
      Gera

      • dahcargo

        stroncross-

        I didn’t choose Him, but he chose me and called me before the foundation of the world. It was a done deal by Him and not by me. I too, know my brethren, for they do the will of my Father who is in heaven. My brethren might be rich, but most likely will be poor. Silver and gold I have not, but in the name of Jesus I pray that you will know Him, for He willing that no man would perish, but all would come to repentance.

        Andrew

  • frankz

    “I think – I said – that either Europe will become Christian again or it will become Muslim. What I see without future is the “culture of nothing”, of freedom without limits and without content, of skepticism boasted as intellectual achievement, which seems to be the attitude largely dominant among European peoples, all more or less rich of means and poor of truths. This “culture of nothingness” (sustained by hedonism and libertarian insatiability) will not be able to withstand the ideological onslaught of Islam, which will not be missing: only the rediscovery of the Christian event as the only salvation for man – and therefore only a strong resurrection of the ancient soul of Europe – will offer a different outcome to this inevitable confrontation.

    Unfortunately, neither “secularists” nor “Catholics” seem to have so far realized the tragedy that is looming. “Secularists”, opposing the Church in every way, do not realize that they are fighting against the strongest inspiration and the most effective defence of Western civilization and its values of rationality and freedom: they might realize it too late. “Catholics”, letting the knowledge of the truth they possessed fade in themselves and replacing apostolic anxiety with pure and simple dialogue at all costs, unconsciously pave the way (humanly speaking) to their own extinction. The only hope is that the seriousness of the situation may at some point lead to an effective awakening both of reason and of the ancient faith.”

    - Cardinal Giacomo Biffi – September 2000

    • Verity Jane

      Agree! Have a look at David Pawson’s prophetic book: “The Challenge of Islam to Christians”. He sees what you see.

    • stroncross

      When people go back to Scripture, the inspired Word of God, and begin to follow its teaching, then and only then will there be a resurrection of the ancient faith. Throughout history man has added to and deleted from the truth contained in Scripture. When good men who believe in Scripture are willing to question the doctrines of the church they belong and find that many of the doctrines of the church are in reality the doctrines of men and will stand and say, “No more!” Then and only then will there be an “effective awakening” of the ancient faith! Gera

      • Shirley Anne

        However while they continue to vacillate between Absolute Truth and Relative Truth, The 6,000 year plan will be up !!!! We, who are alive will witness the great tribulation before we see the return of our Yahshua Ha’Mashiach. We will reign with Him for a millennium. Shalom.

  • Charles Nick

    Here’s another constant drum beat that I hear: ‘if only Abraham didn’t have Ishmael with Hagar.’ Well, If you read the Bible, yes Ishmaelites are in Psalm 83 and are Moslems today in many respects . But God never condemns him in the Bible. As a matter of fact, He blesses him in Genesis17:20! Esau on the other hand is the real culprit. God says He hated him in Malachi 1:3! And the last verses in Obadiah has judgement on Esau’s “house, and “Mountain”. Among many other verses implicating or condemning Esau/Edom/Idumea, is the very last book of the Old Testament. Does it condemn Ishmael? No! It condemns Esau, – The Lord hath indignation (for Edom) FOREVER. Malachi 1:4… Forever. By the way, When Jesus came the first time, there was an Edomite usurper on the throne in Jerusalem if I’m not mistaken named Herod. And so there will be one at the 2nd coming too – 2Thess. 2:4. Whether by blood or not, the antichrist will be an Edomite, because I believe when mentioned in the Bible Edom is also all Islam if you will. Ishmael’s name is not used. So even though Ishmael is involved and his descendants wild and so forth. Brother/ man against man /brother . Esau is Always the main culprit in the Bible. And of course Edom I’m sure is not just blood but Islam in general and Ishmael is certainly involved, but everyone always points their finger at Abraham, Hagar and Ishmael, but never, I don’t even think 1 out of ten do they blame Esau today like the Scriptures do. -Charles

    • blossom

      Esau’s direct bloodline went to the first Roman emperor. Can’t remember his name, will have to find it. Interesting! So Esau & the RCC are connected. I’m ex RCC, and know a ton of the churches history. The RCC and it’s secret societies helped create the Islam of today. The reason being, is they wanted Christians and Jews kept off of the temple mount. That backfired when Mohammad became to powerful, so then they sent in the crusaders (knight’s templars) who were homosexual perverts. Mohammad’s wife was a catholic (nun) and very wealthy. When Mohammad was nearly strangled to death by a demonic angel, he consulted with his wife’s cousin, who was also RCC, and he told him well there are angels in the bible. Old pagan Islam worshipped as many as 350+ different deities. Things changed when Mohammad came along. His wife was 15 yrs older than him and very wealthy, and created the monster we have today in Islam. As Jesus said, a house divided against itself will fall. satan can’t keep all his devils in check. No surprise that the RCC loves Islam. Watch Walter Veith’s video secret societies, then the Islam connection. He shows how pagan the RCC is, well it always has been. Constantine was pagan, and they kept paganism to draw in more believers who wouldn’t drop their beliefs. The RCC has manipulated, murdered, martyred, betrayed, etc for over a millenium. They are trying to get on top of the temple mount too, and control all other religions. Ivar Fjeld has a page on wordpress about the current events with the RCC. The idol worship, paganism, mary worship, collecting artifacts of flesh and even PJP2′s blood, evil and very satanic.

      • naniam

        You have a very distorted perspective. I don’t know what you’re considering to be idol worship; however, we venerate saints. Images thereof are remembrances, similar to photos of loved ones on earth. Catholics do not worship Mary; have you ever asked someone to pray for you? We believe that Mary, together with the rest of the saints, is alive in heaven and can hear our prayers. We ask her to ask her son, Jesus, to help us here on Earth. That’s why we remember her on many days of the year. July 16 is the feast day of Our Lady of Mount Carmel, when we thank her for her patronage of the Carmelite Order.

        If, by artifacts of flesh, you mean relics, yes, we keep relics of the saints, including blood. These are venerated and heal people. One of the steps to being Canonized in the Church in modern times is to perform two miracles after death; after the first approved miracle is beatification, after the second is canonization. Many times miracles happen after someone prays before a relic, typically for the benefit of someone who has a disease or is expected to die soon. Often the relic is brought to the sick person and touched to them. This is a first class relic. That’s Blessed PJP2 to you. He will soon be canonized due to a second miracle. His blood is neither evil nor satanic. His blood, like any other relic, is venerated.

        Oh, and your Church history shows me that you never were Catholic. Of any kind. Never mind Roman. The Church had nothing to do with the foundation of Islam. The Crusades were a direct result of Muslim incursion in Christian territories; only after Muslims killed, raped and stole did the Catholics take action.

        Mohammed married several women, none of which was a nun. Yes, there are angels in the bible; they have a long tradition and it is because the angels didn’t do a good job that we have all the false religions. Even Michael wasn’t perfect. Constantine legalized Christianity. Keeping paganism is a canard; there’s nothing pagan about Christianity. The Temple Mount is the most holy place in Judaism, don’t you think that the Jews should control it?

        Islam turns everything into mosques and lies about their origin; they do this in Jerusalem, in Cordoba, in our own Hagia Sophia. They also claim that everyone is muslim at birth and people convert to other religions. Mohammed was the pervert, not the Knights Templar. He had multiple wives including a 9 year old.

    • Soldier

      Chuck,

      You need to do some research on the founding of the Muslim religion. Mohammad’s lineage is traced to the bastard Ismael, son of Job and Hagar. When the Romans’ destroyed Jerusalem in A.D. 70, the Jews fled to Arabia where the Roman’s had little interest. All ancient Arabs are of Ismael’s bloodline. Early Christians also spent time in Arabia, Paul being among them. But between the fourth and sixth centuries, Christians and some Jews lost favor in this area because of the dominant practices of superstition and idolatry. Christians lost favor with God because of this and have been made to suffer His indignation and degeneration at the hands of Muslims for neglecting Jesus’ word.
      From age 25-40, Mohammad traveled frequently throughout the regions. His affluence attributed to the wealth of his uncle and wife. During this time Mohammed learned much about religion, drawing from the powerfully organized Jewish faith and Christianity which had proliferated quickly in the cities he visited. Mohammad understood that aligning his new religion with the ancient Jewish and young Christian faiths afforded a degree of safety as well as eased the conversion of the weaker willed and minded.
      The Muslims standing feud with the early Jewish tribes can be traced to Mohammad’s adopted family being rebuked as tenders of the Kaab. After Mohammad’s adoptive uncle Abu Taleb, and wife Kadijiah died, Mohammad was run out of Mecca and Medina. The rest of his astonishing claims to Godly affinity are good reading, but unlike Christianity, no one has been able to gather enough “recorded” independent proof of their validity. As Mohammad’s enemies assertions of blasphemy increased and after word of an attempt on his life was found out, Mohammad’s followers resorted to using the sword and conversion through intimidation instead of true belief. Though Muslims will exhort that the Quran has been only written once, subsequent chapters added to it’s original volume were done so over a period of time. Their increasingly violent natures being reflected as Mohammad’s violent conquests continued.

      • Shirley Anne

        Soldier, this was part of a goos history lesson to the uninformed… to the rest, a good refresher . Thank you… And You are right… It is A ”whomsoever”, Gospel… The Only Begotten Son Is The Redeemer to whomsoever will believe in the Redemptive Power Of His Shed Blood At Calvary !!!

  • Bones

    God makes known the nature of Islam and other religions or those in opposition to Christianity. Prostest Islam for Jesus Christ sake! The Church is the Body of Christ. That was established along time ago. With Gods Love and the Holy Spirit he gave us his eternal dispersion of grace. Amen. Amen, brothers and sisters in Christ.

    I also agree, If America can rejuvinate the old spirit of the church we will make it through the darkness that is yet to come upon us. Will we make it to see the Lords Day? All we can do is teach the church the words of God, and that is what makes the difference. Between God and man, God’s good news is in the Bible, man can listen and honor God, because God chosen us(All people that believe in Jesus) to war against evil. Honor Jesus and do not honor self, if it is opposite of goodness and righeousness.

    Noone can compare to the Love and Mercy of God. As the body of Christ is persecuted from within this country, by the atrocities of seculars, and others that just dont see the Light of Jesus Heart, they are not whole, and have not understood yet, the meaning of Christianity, and they do not know what they do to Jesus, but they can be forgiven.

    All we can do is repent, forgive and with forgiveness with God he will make a person whole again. Jesus will give them the much needed new heart to do well in his eyes, in so to live a righteous life will also help the communities around us.

    If it was disobedience that took America into the dregs of idols galore, into the dregs of sin galore, into self worship, and self celebrating, i believe it is trusting in the obedience to forward Christianity that will be a positive path for America, we will get back to the original Republic of our Founding Fathers. We were free, We had freedom and once we had God here.

    No tyrannical giant will set America assunder, but God’s people must all come together to repentence, forgiveness and with Love. Asking for God’s Mercy will only make America stronger.

    All of God’s people in America must come together to crush the head of tyranny, crush now, that which is in opposition of freedom. We can crush tyranny with the gifts of the Holy Spirit, and the obedience to practice them.

    Virtues of old in motion by the Grace of God there goes America! God will it! We can do this!

    Trust in the Living God the only one true God of Life, Love and Mercy.

  • Clear Thinker

    I believe that the idea that the Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon and that the Pope is the Anti-Christ is a demonic deception/plot to divide Christians and to blind them to the real Anti-Christ religion. Yes, Catholic leaders have sinned and there are errors in doctrine such as the example in the Catechism of the Catholic Church referring to Muslims, but that does not make Catholics or the Pope Anti-Christ. Evangelicals, as you point out, have made similar errors. Catholics pray “In the Name of The Father, The Son, and of The Holy Spirit” Catholics, as you point out, defended Europe and saved it for Christendom in centuries past. Pray that Catholics come to realize the error in the Catechism in light of the fact that Jesus said, “No one comes to The Father but through Me” and in light of 1 John 2:22, “Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.”

    • billo

      For the record, I read Walid Shoebat’s “God’s War On Terror” and Joel Richardson’s books and am in agreement with them on many if not most points of prophecy, including the fact that the “Whore of Babylon” is Saudi Arabia. The books are the absolute best books I have ever read on prophecy.

      Again, no one disputes the error, apostasy, heresey, dhimmiatude and betrayal of Christ perpetrated by many Protestants. Also, the laziness and indifference toward the persecuted church and towards Islam is eivident in evangelical and fundamentalist Protestant circles.

      My point was not to deny these obvious facts.

      My point was to expose the guilt that Catholicism shares with the rest of the professing church.

      This is not about theology. It is about the social and political consequences of theological error and complicitcy with Islam.

      • http://rudycarrera.com/oiketerion Rudy Carrera

        Ah, we have much to agree upon, then. ALL denominations have many mistakes that need to be rectified. And, by the grace of God, we will.

      • Shirley Anne

        AMEN ! Adding and deleting from the inerrant word of Yahweh. What hypocracy with being called the ‘Vicar’ of Christ ( instead of ) and being able to ‘ absolve ‘ us of sin !!!! It is well understood that the inception of Islam was only in the 7th. century and was ‘begotten’ of Catholicism. We wont even get into the ” Rebellious ” daughters of the Catholics !!

        • naniam

          Christ himself said to Peter “whatever you loose on earth is loosed in heaven; whatever you bind on earth is bound in heaven.” That statement gave him permission to absolve us of sin. If you just talk about your sins but take no action (like going to confession) there’s no way to be certain that they’re forgiven although you can hope so. You must also do penance to take away the effects of the sin. Then you can be certain that the sins confessed no longer exist to keep you from your Father’s love.

    • Lisa

      Hey. After reading what came next in the catechism, I see it as a being somewhat politically correct and not them not being too blunt, so to speak. It goes on to say that those of other religions that have been deceived will suffer the ultimate despair.
      I have two Muslim friends and they have told me for years they worship the God of Abraham. So, if the Cathoilc Church and Rick Warren are responding to the same claims maybe this further statement in the catechism more fully explains the catholic position.

      This is copied and pasted from the CCC:

      843 The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as “a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life.”332

      844 In their religious behavior, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them:

      Very often, deceived by the Evil One, men have become vain in their reasonings, and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and served the creature rather than the Creator. Or else, living and dying in this world without God, they are exposed to ultimate despair.”

  • Raiddan

    Thus says the Lord God,
    ” Call out to a people who are my people and they turn and shun Me,
    I call out to a people who are not my people and they gladly receive Me.
    And to a people whose prophet I did not send, whose prayers I hear daily, I do not know you!”
    “For when you spread out your hands in prayer, I hide my eyes from you;
    even when you offer many prayers, I am not listening.
    When you offer up your prayers to the false prophet’s god, the mother and elect, it is not me for whom you speak.”
    For you have turned from me, and your hands are full of blood!”
    “You make men twice the sons of the Devil when you espouse your bitter hatred and violence, you make it hard to receive my children into My Kingdom.
    In your desires for formalities you have casted Me out, in your
    Pursuit of rituals you have drove away my Spirit.
    You appear as holy men, but you are nothing more than sinners.
    You are like those who sleep , and your houses are like tombs of dead men.
    Repent, receive Me in your hearts and the Anointing of My Spirit that you may live by Grace.”

  • rion

    I will step forward. Answer: IT WORKED. Let the liars fight amoung themselves or as you have said where the mess is. Is where’s Satan is in control. So if Satan wants to fight the Devil fine. Many died that believed and fought for what they were told by the father of the lie. Remember it is written that a great falling away is to happen in the last days. Why? Truth is to come out. All will be revealed about the governments, corperations, laws, judges, religions, and also myself.
    Walid use your great mind to save those that only you can influence better than anyone else. Of course I would love to discuss with you my reasonings for the other questions. I donate to your cause I also donate to Michael Rood the same amount. He is on television to 156 countries I would like Walid Shoebat to be on his show to help ALL the people even from your side of the tracks “as you have said”. He also allows people he to sell thier items in his store on line. He does not care which bible you use. As long as it is written “as Jesus said “! love you brother still trying to get you in Ensanada. Sackcloth and Ashes? How many bags?
    [email protected]

  • http://rudycarrera.com/oiketerion Rudy Carrera

    Walid, we met years ago in Chino. You are always welcome into Eastern Orthodoxy, where we still struggle with the same demons, while the Pharisees here gloat.

    • billo

      Rudy: I have news for you: Walid Shoebat is welcomed in Protestant Evangelical and Protestant Fundamentalist Churches. Just enter “Shoebat” on youtube. Check out his web site regularly. Please correct me if I’m wrong, but Walid Shoebat is featured by Protestant Evangleicals web sites, radio programs, etc, at least as much as any other group. Probably more than any other groups, Evangelicals are the most welcomong to Shoebat. I am a Protestant, AND I LOVE WALID SHOEBAT IN THE LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Again, you prove my point. Do not dare criticize Catholicism. Even when it endorses Islam.

      • http://rudycarrera.com/oiketerion Rudy Carrera

        Good for you that you love Walid. You know that he’s Evangelical, I would hope. What he also is is a friend to other denominations treated shabbily by some. I would assume that you are not in that camp, as I have no idea who you are. Unfortunately, there are many in the Protestant movement proving his point, that they are already chastising him for speaking well about Catholics. Read slowly next time. You’re not in enemy territory.

        As for not criticizing Catholicism, I’m Orthodox. Walid’s comments hold real weight, which is what is at issue here. We in Orthodoxy and Catholicism have been criticizing each other since 1054, but at some point (and that point is coming more quickly as the days pass), we must heal the Schism.

        • Demelza

          AMEN!!

        • Verity Jane

          Rudy, I so agree with you. I just ache for the Schism to be healed. Jesus Himself said that the tares will grow up among the wheat and attempts to uproot tares will cause more damage than they avoid. Of course we have to speak out for pure doctrine in all areas of the worldwide Church but there are true believers & hypocrites in every denominational corner of it/Her. At least, that’s what Jesus said. And the famous preacher Spurgeon said that if one of us finds the perfect church “Don’t join it because you’d only spoil it”. And if anyone is looking for a good Protestand point of view, Calvin told pastors to preach to their flocks as if all there are saved although some are not. He was following what our Lord said about tares and wheat. Anyone read C.S. Lewis’ Screwtape? He makes many points about how to get believers working for Satan, by complacency or nit-picking with others for example.

          • http://rudycarrera.com/oiketerion Rudy Carrera

            My sister in Christ, I thank you for the kind words! We all have our doctrines, and I come from a family that is split. Never once do we argue about theology, though everyone is well-read. We’re smart enough to realize that Christians need each other these days, and crazed comments about Romano-Islamo-whatever anti-Christ coalitions forming is the sort of thing that will keep people away from communicating with each other.

            I grew up Protestant, though I was born Catholic, and I never felt the need to slander any side. I discovered Orthodoxy in my early 20s, and 20 years later, I feel like I found the fullness of the Faith there. Some people won’t. Some leave, though I tend to find that it’s because of the people, not the theology.

            The one thing I am thrilled to see is people talking about people like C.S. Lewis, G.K. Chesterton, J.R.R. Tolkein, N.T. Wright, Charles Spurgeon and scores of Greek, Russian, Romanian and Serbian writers (including many now written in English as Orthodoxy continues to grow in the US), where good, timeless knowledge is being spread outside of denominations.

            I’m happy to treat anyone who professes Christ as a brother or sister if they show due respect to other denominations.

          • stroncross

            Rudy
            Do you consider the Apostle Paul a brother after he anathematized false teachers?
            Gal 1:8-9
            (8) but even if we or a messenger out of heaven may proclaim good news to you different from what we did proclaim to you–anathema let him be!
            (9) as we have said before, and now say again, If any one to you may proclaim good news different from what ye did receive–anathema let him be!
            In the religious world today we find many differences as to the teaching of the Gospel.
            Gera

        • billo

          Rudy: The illogic and error in your statements are laughable. Please inform me of the Roman Cahtolic Churches or Orthodoc Churches that the Shoebats have spoken at. They are Protestant Evangelicals and speak a lot to Protestant groups, ministries, radio programs and churches. They are either ignored or avidly loved and admired. They are not disparaged.

          I too am grateful for any and all opposition the Catholics have had to the surge of Islam.

          But, to assert, as Walid did, that Cahtolics are above criticism regarding their actions toward Islam because of their wars woth Muslims 500 years ago is absurd, illogical and misleading.

          What about currently? The RCC faithful are as indifferent, ignorant or even as complicit as any of the apostate Protestants.
          The Catholic Church has been complicit with Islam in (at least) the following instances:

          1. The RCC Catechism states that Catholics worshipt the same God as do the Muslims.
          2. Pope John Paul publically kissed the Q’ran.
          3. A 1965 document cites the common ground between Islam and Catholicism (DECLARATION ON THE RELATION OF THE CHURCH TO NON-CHRISTIAN RElIGIONS, Nostra Aetate, October 28 1965).
          4. Pope Benedict, along with many Roman Catholic Bishops, Priests, University Presidents, scholars, et al, endorsed the “Common Ground” initiative that Rick Warren is condemned for.

          Many among Protestants are GUILTY of the same type of error. As a Protestant, we CONDEMN these actions.
          The exact same type of actions towards Islam is perpetrated by the highest levels of the Catholic Church and the Shoebats, with one word condemn Rick Warren and Glenn Beck, but refuse to say one word against the Catholics. (Hello?????)

          And most of the Catholics on this page can just continue to, like parrots, squak about how they are the only true church.

          It’s a good thing the Apostle Paul didn’t know about Peter’s supposed infallability when he had to PUBLICALLY REBUKE PETER IN THE GALATIAN CHURCH FOR PERVERTING THE GOSPEL.

          To Peter’s credit, rather than claim infallability, or demand to be beyond being the subject of fair criticism due to his past accomplishments, he repented.

          • Demelza

            Billo, you see what you want to see, or interpret things as you want to. When I read Walid’s article, I did not see that he was saying they were, or are now above reproach. With the admirable aspects of Catholic history, what the hell is going on with them now? What the hell is going on with all of Christendom. MANY, whether Protestant, Evangelical and Catholic are so apathetic to the plights of the world, and Christians who are seriously being persecuted.

  • Demelza

    I was raised a traditional Vatican I Catholic. We do not follow the heresies of Vatican II. We are considered apostates of Vatican II. This is our stance on Islam and Catholicism as written by Most Rev. Mark A. Pivarunas, CMRI

    Throughout His public life, Our Lord preached in a manner so wonderful that it was said, “Never has man spoken as this man” (John 7:41). His language was clear and concise; His style was so simple that even the common people comprehended the most profound truths that He taught. The four Gospels record in great detail the wonderful miracles of Our Lord. These public, supernatural works proved beyond the shadow of a doubt the divine mission of Jesus Christ. Yet, despite Our Lord’s marvelous teachings and miracles, the scribes and Pharisees, the leaders of the temple, were the very ones who rejected Him and condemned Him to death. They in turn incited the majority of the Chosen People to turn against Him and to clamor for His death.How remarkably similar is the present rejection and condemnation of the one true Church of Christ, the Catholic Church, the Mystical Body of Christ, by those who were once the leaders of the Church, but who now have betrayed the Catholic Church and the true Faith by the desire to form, in a spirit of false ecumenism, a brotherhood of all religions.

    In the Vatican II Declaration Nostra Aetate, Hinduism, Buddhism, Islamism, and Judaism are given explicit recognition, despite the fact that the Hindus and Buddhists worship false gods, that the Moslems deny the divinity of Christ, and that the Jews reject Jesus Christ as the Messias. In fact, this Conciliar Declaration goes so far as to state:

    “The Catholic Church rejects nothing which is good and holy in these religions.”

    Have you ever wondered at the strong and emotional animosity that the modern hierarchy of the Church of Vatican II manifests toward traditional Catholicism? In this ecumenical age, when the modern hierarchy “bends over backwards” to seek a false unity amongst all religions (Christian and non-Christian alike), all are lovingly received and recognized. Isn’t it ironic that any and all religions are accepted by the Church of Vatican II as long as they are not traditional Roman Catholic? How out of line appears our Catholic belief that Jesus Christ, our Messias and Redeemer, founded a Church and that membership in that Church is a necessary condition for salvation. This is looked upon as simply an intolerable doctrine.

    Consider the numerous, blasphemous ecumenical meetings of John Paul II:

    November 17, 1980: During a visit to Germany, John Paul II went to a Lutheran church and declared: “I come to you as to the spiritual heritage of Martin Luther.” He expressed admiration for Luther’s “profound religious spirit.”

    May 25, 1982: In England, John Paul II took part in a religious service in Canterbury Cathedral, side by side with the Anglican archbishop.

    January 25, 1983: John Paul II promulgated the New Code of Canon Law in which noticeably omitted is the sanction of excommunication against Freemasons, and in which permission is given in certain cases to allow “Holy Communion” to be administered to schismatics and heretics without their return to the Catholic Church.

    December 11, 1983: John Paul II, accompanied by several cardinals, preached from the pulpit of a Lutheran church in Rome, took part there in a heretical service, and recited a prayer composed by Luther. Earlier, he had stated his opinion that Luther’s case should be re-opened so that it could be “considered in a more objective light.”

    April 17, 1984: John Paul II received a delegation from B’nai B’rith, and called the audience a “meeting of brothers.”

    May 10, 1984: In Thailand, John Paul II visited the supreme Buddhist patriarch Vasna Tara, who received him seated on his throne, and before whom John Paul II bowed profoundly.December 11, 1984: John Paul II sent a representative to the laying of the foundation stone for the biggest mosque in Europe at Rome.

    December 11, 1984: John Paul II sent a representative to the laying of the foundation for the biggest mosque in Europe at Rome.

    August 8, 1985: In Togo, Africa, John Paul II went to the “sacred forest” where he attended animist rites. He further participated in pagan rites at Kara and Togoville.

    August 9, 1985: At Casablanca, Morocco, next to King Hassan II, “Commander of the Believers,” and before a crowd of 80,000 young Muslims, John Paul II preached “dialogue with Islam” and claimed “we all have the same God.”

    February 2, 1986: During his visit to India, as one could see in the media and on television, John Paul II received from the hands of a Hindu priestess the sign of the Tilak. Less publicized was another act which was positively more serious; on February 5, at Madras, John Paul II received the imposition of the “sacred ashes” from the hands of a woman.

    April 13, 1986: John Paul II went into a Jewish synagogue in Rome where he was received by Rabbi Elio Toaff in order to join in an ecumenical prayer service. There he called the Jews “our elder brothers, our dearest brothers.”

    October 27, 1986: John Paul II convened the ecumenical “prayer meeting” at Assisi in which 150 religions of the world were invited by him to pray to their false gods for world peace.

    These acts of false ecumenism remind us of the words of Pope Pius XI:

    “…to favor this opinion and to encourage such undertakings is tantamount to abandoning the religion revealed by God” (Mortalium Animos, 1929).

    And the reason he gave in this same encyclical is quite simple:

    “They presuppose the erroneous view that all religions are more or less good and praiseworthy, inasmuch as all give expression, under various forms, to that innate sense which leads to God and to the obedient acknowledgment of His rule.”

    In other words, the doctrine of false ecumenism holds that any one of the various man-made religions of the world is fine and good, and fulfill man’s obligation to worship and adore God, and that acceptance of Jesus Christ, His teachings and His Church, are not really necessary for salvation! Catholics have always believed that God the Father sent His Only-begotten Son into this world to divinely reveal to mankind for all time the way of salvation. Jesus Christ worked the most stupendous miracles to prove His divine mission, founded one true Church with the authority to infallibly teach the truths necessary for salvation and gave that Church the means to sanctify its members by means of the seven sacraments and the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. In spite of all this, false ecumenism holds that all these things Jesus Christ accomplished are not really that essential and that all religions must also be considered to have the means of salvation.

    It was for this reason that the Catholic Church, prior to the Second Vatican Council, had forbidden Catholics to take active part in non-Catholic worship. Canon 1258 of the Code of Canon Law (1917) legislated:

    “It is forbidden to actively participate in the worship of non-Catholics.” (communicatio in sacris)

    And also Canon 2316:

    “One who cooperates communicatio in sacris contrary to the provision of Canon 1258 is suspected of heresy.”

    In the conclusion of his teaching on false ecumenism, Pope Pius XI stated:

    “Thus, Venerable Brethren, it is clear why this Apostolic See has never allowed its subjects to take part in the assemblies of non-Catholics.”

    The rejection and condemnation of Christ by the chief priests nearly 2,000 years ago closely resembles the present rejection and condemnation of His Mystical Body, the Catholic Church, by the modern hierarchy. To the leaders of the temple, Jesus Christ was a false Messias; to the modern hierarchy, traditional Catholics are schismatic and excommunicated.

    The second consideration which shows the parallel between Our Divine Lord’s Passion and Death and the Mystical Body of Christ today is found in the words of Christ, “I will strike the Shepherd and the sheep will be scattered” (Mark 14:27). What must have been the tremendous confusion and disunity of the Apostles when their Master was arrested in the Garden of Gethsemane by the chief priests and was condemned by Caiphas the High Priest for blasphemy! The Apostles were indeed bewildered and scandalized: Jesus, their Beloved Master, in Whom they had placed all their trust and confidence, was cruelly scourged, crowned with thorns, and finally crucified amid the jeering and mockery of the scribes and Pharisees. How stunned must the Apostles have been!

    In our times, Roman Catholics who have remained faithful to Christ and the traditional Catholic Faith are likewise confused and scandalized. Jesus Christ, in the Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist, has been dethroned in the churches that were once Catholic. During the changes which followed the Second Vatican Council, many of the tabernacles were first relocated to the side and then eventually removed altogether. In many churches, the altars were stripped and replaced by a table with the presider’s chair behind it. No longer would Catholics-priests and laity-face the altar and Crucifix to offer the august Sacrifice of Calvary; no longer would the tabernacle be the center of worship with the Divine Presence of Jesus Christ in the Blessed Sacrament.

    How great has been the confusion of traditional Catholics to see their churches turned into Protestant halls and their Holy Sacrifice of the Mass stripped of all reference to a propitiatory sacrifice and reduced to a Lutheran “Memorial of the Last Supper.” How great is the confusion to see “extraordinary ministers” (lay men and women) distribute “communion” into the hands of the laity in a manner so lacking in proper reverence for what is supposed to be the Holy Eucharist.

    And as if this were not enough, the modern Church of Vatican II, in its ecumenical bent, has legislated that under certain circumstances, schismatics and heretics can receive the “Sacrament of the Eucharist”!

    Although many modern Catholics find this so incredible, this new sacrilegious law is contained in their 1983 Code of Canon Law promulgated by John Paul II:

    Canon 844, Sec. 3: “Catholic ministers may lawfully administer the sacraments of penance, the Eucharist and anointing of the sick to members of the eastern Churches not in full communion with the Catholic Church, if they spontaneously ask for them and are properly disposed.”

    Sec. 4: “If there is danger of death or if, in the judgment of the diocesan bishop or of the Episcopal Conference, there is some other grave and pressing need, Catholic ministers may lawfully administer these same sacraments to other Christians not in full communion with the Catholic Church, who cannot approach a minister of their own community and who spontaneously ask for them, provided that they demonstrate the Catholic Faith in respect of these sacraments and are properly disposed.”

    Later on, in the “Directory for the Application and Norms of Ecumenism” approved by John Paul II on June 8, 1993, this law was extended to allow the “eucharist” to be given to non-Catholics during the ceremonies for mixed marriages.

    “At mixed marriages, between a Catholic and a baptized Christian who is not in full communion with the Catholic Church, a eucharistic sharing is possible.”

    Compare this new law of 1983 to the 1917 Code of Canon Law, Canon 731:

    “It is forbidden to administer the Sacraments of the Church to heretics and schismatics, even though they may be in good faith and ask for them. It is necessary that they first renounce their errors and become reconciled to the Church.”

    Furthermore, the Council of Trent taught:

    “If anyone saith that faith alone is a sufficient preparation for receiving the Sacrament of the most Holy Eucharist; let him be anathema. But if anyone shall presume to teach, preach, or obstinately to assert, or even in public disputation to defend the contrary, he shall be thereupon excommunicated.”

    “I will strike the Shepherd and the sheep will be scattered.” Pope Leo XIII realized a century ago the diabolical forces which were at work to destroy the Catholic Church. For this reason, he composed an exorcism prayer which begins with an invocation to St. Michael. Pope Leo XIII wrote on September 25, 1888:

    “These most crafty enemies have filled and inebriated with gall and bitterness the Church, the Spouse of the Immaculate Lamb, and have laid impious hands on her most sacred possessions. In the Holy Place itself, where has been set up the See of the most holy Peter and the Chair of Truth for the light of the world, they have raised the throne of their abominable impiety, with the iniquitous design that when the Pastor has been struck, the sheep may be scattered.”

    As our Divine Savior was crucified, so will His Mystical Body the Catholic Church undergo a spiritual crucifixion. Let us not be surprised by the small number of traditional Catholics in contrast to the many modern Catholics. When our Divine Savior hung upon the Cross, there were but a handful of followers faithful to Him: His Sorrowful Mother Mary, His beloved Apostle St. John, St. Mary Magdalene, and a few holy women.

    The enemies of Christ, the chief priests and Pharisees, thought with satisfaction that they had finally discredited and destroyed Him. What was their astonishment on the morning of the Third Day to receive word that He had risen from the dead, even as He said! The enemies of the Catholic Church today believe they also have discredited and destroyed the Catholic Church. Little do they know that the Son of God has promised to be with His Church all days even to the consummation of the world and that the gates of Hell will not prevail.

    In Christo Jesu et Maria Immaculata,
    Most Rev. Mark A. Pivarunas, CMRI

    • stroncross

      Mark, when did it become Scriptural to give the title Most Rev. to a man? Where does the Father become less than the only Most Rev.? Gera

      • Shirley Anne

        DITTO…. They are so ”puffed up” with their Titles and Robes. And what is this nonsense of Vatican 1 and Vatican II ?? ” But in vain do they worship me, seeking the doctrine of men… Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

  • kataponeuom

    The one million dollar question that no one can answer – although I will get many remarks from people damning me as a heretic – is this: Why did God choose Catholics to stop Islam in its tracks in all the major battles intended to destroy Christendom? Anyone who has the answer, please step forward.

    I’m stepping forward.

    ANSWER: Because there was no one else. I refer you to the Old Testament, Book of Judges, for starters. God will use and do what He must.

    What do most spirit-filled evangelicals know about the Battle of Lepanto, Battle of Tours, The Battle of Vienna, and The Battle of Malta?

    I know a lot about them. But remember, Mr. Shoebat, THE GLORY GOES TO GOD, NOT ROMAN CATHOLICS OR WHOMEVER, THEN OR NOW. THEY WON BECAUSE IT WAS GOD’S WILL. WE ARE NOT WINNING NOT ONLY BECAUSE WE ARE NOT TRYING, BUT ALSO BECAUSE IT IS NOT IN HIS WILL AT THIS TIME, PROBABLY BECAUSE MOST OF US ARE NOT IN HIS WILL AT THIS TIME.

    AND I AM OUTTA THIS WEBSITE. YOUR POLEMIC IS WAY OFF. MAY GOD BLESS YOU AND MAY THE HOLY SPIRIT GIVE YOU INSIGHT AND HIS WISDOM IN THE WORD.

    • Demelza

      Kataponeum: people like you are exactly the epitome of why I rarely attend the many divisive institutional Christian Churches. I do attend periodically the Vatican I traditional Catholic Church, as it is a 15 hour drive to get there. I really do not care what anyone here will tell me, or that perhaps I am a heathen, or lost soul doomed to hell, simply because God has not called me to your Christian belief system. In any case, I will cast no judgment on what church you feel God has called you to, after all; in the end we will all stand before him, and he will shed light on all of this.

      Some how ,I think he will shed light to all the Pharisee type people of the world. These are people who know every single iota of the letter of the law, yet know not the heart. Anyway, I thought Walid’s website was where all members could unite, regardless of one’s faith belief system, in order to learn the current status of the rampantly spreading evil Islam, and also, to help those being persecuted all over the world by this evil cult. I had no idea that this web site was for all of us to be proselytizing our different Christian faith belief systems, and then to turn around and insulting other Christian faiths, as being in grievous error, if they do not have the same interpretation of the bible as other Christians here. CAN WE JUST ALL UNITE TO STOP OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS BEING TAKEN AWAY BY ISLAMISTS, RATHER THAN PICKERING AS TO WHO HAS THE TRUE SPIN ON CHRISTIANITY, OR IS IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO EVEN HUMBEL OURSELVES TO DO THIS. FOR GOD SAKE PEOPLE, EVEN OUR RELIGIOUS CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS ARE BING TAKEN AWAY BY ISLAM, AND WE ARE ARGUEING AMONGST EACH OTHER.

      • billo

        I agree with you. But remember, Walid and Ted regularly call-out people like Rick Warren for being betrayers of Christ. The Church needs to be called to repentence. That includes all churches. All Christians. Points of thelogy should be ignored and Christians should unite. But, don’t sit there and throw balls of fire at Protestant Evangelicals and then defend Catholics WHEN THEY DO THE EXACT SAME THING!

  • jericho777

    During this time Walbat, anyone outside of the Catholic Church were considered heretics and were burned at the cross, hung or beheaded by the Church!

    Perhaps that’s why they let the Damn self professed Antichristian Catholics fight their damn Unholy War!
    Many of these self profess antichristians were not truly Christians, even though they claimed to be. The name of Christ was abused, misused, and blasphemed by the actions of many of the crusaders!

    How many Lutherans and Calvinist do you think would had survived the Catholic Church had they come out from their bible thumping studies to help these damn Catholics?!

    Should the unbiblical actions of supposed Christians hundreds of years ago still be seen as a Christian Crusade??? The Crusade were a response to the Muslim invasions into the lands of Israel, Jordan, Egypt, Syria, and Turkey which at the time were primarily Christian.

    The horrors that these so-called Christians committed during the crusades were still deplorable. There is no biblical justification for conquering lands, murdering civilians, and destroying cities in the name of Jesus Christ.

    There were forced conversions and if they refused these damn Catholics, they were put to death and many of them weren’t even Muslims, they were Jews!!!

    They didn’t save Jerusalem for the Jews sake, they did so for the Roman Church sake and any Jew who did not convert, they were beheaded….

    The reason we are where we are today with the Muslim hatred breathing down the backs of our necks are two fold, first Hitler revived them from near extinction and used them for his African Campaign and would have released them later upon Europe…

    Secondly: The Obama administration took them from a tattered and beaten down almost weaponless rag tag army and weaponized them, he gave them teeth, gave them monetary support, encouraged and incited them, he set them upon country’s that could be worked with and fanaticized them and over threw leaders that were less threatening…

    And there was not a damn thing we Bible Thumping Studying Evangelicals could do about it!

    But you let these bastards march upon American soil and by YHVH there will be a blood bath, especially in my Bible belt South!

  • grandmamoses

    .. just wanted to mention .. “build My Church” scripture is a bit misquoted, there, and was mistranslated through Greek, anyway.
    BUT .. from what I know of Him, the Lord made it clear while on earth that He has little use for traditional, man-made religion.
    There’s a righteous remnant on the earth at all times, regardless of what labels believers choose to live under. ( Catholic/ Protestant )
    They’re the ones who love the Lord more than they fear suffering or death. .. the ones who try to grasp the concept of ‘love thine enemy’
    .. Do appreciate the historical research in your article.
    In retrospect, , Catholic Priests have usually been the ‘ghost buster’ guys called when people can’t get rid of demonic activity. . huh?
    .. guess Mel Gibson can B down with THAT.

    • Demelza

      Mel Gibson is a lost soul, who has not truly accepted Jesus Christ as his savior, although he tries going through the motions. Matthew 7:16:’You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?’

    • stroncross

      Granny, I would like for you to explain a little further how the Greek is mistranslated. I just checked my English Greek N.T., Alfred Marshall ed. and did not see any glaring mistranslation. I am not sure but suspect you many have been referring to the RCC “Thou art Peter…” and assumed that the church would be built upon the man, not the truth found therein.
      Gera

    • Shirley Anne

      Take them Amelakites out… Remember the bleating in his ears ( Samuel ) Talking to King Saul who didn’t carry out total annihilation of these pagans, as he was instructed to do !!!

    • Shirley Anne

      WHY Is this Grandmamoses ….. Were the Pentecostals resting in their Shabbat ?????? LOL.

      • grandmamoses

        Here’s the real meaning of that scripture.

        My mama named me Shimon, which means “being heard” Yeah, I was never shy of expressing myself.
        In our part of the world, names have meaning, usually reflecting human character traits.
        As it were, there was someone who could see past my own propitious persona at first glance.
        The first time I saw Him was on a slow workday in Galilee’s Lake Kinneret.
        He looked like one of the local sages; although muscular arms and calloused hands didn’t fit the talmid type.
        He said He had something bigger for us to do than catching fish. My brother Andy and I walked away from our job that day
        as if making a living didn’t count for much.
        The better part of the next three years was pretty awesome, to say the least. Miracles and droves of people followed us everywhere.
        Expectation of prophetic fulfillment raised the hope of Israel’s redemption. To most, this simply meant deliverance from Roman
        control of Mediterranean civilizations.
        In the third year, religious fanatics began to portray us as a dangerous cult. When we were reported to local leaders for culminating
        a renegade, political agenda – a lot of question about authority ensued.
        Some of the guys responded to “Who do the people say that I am?” with names of dead prophets.
        When asked again, “But who do you say that I am?” I blurted, “You are the Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach, the Ben Elohim Chayyim”
        Then I tried to soak-in His response to the culmination of words that just flew out of my mouth, having more profound meaning than entitlement of a king – but indicative of SERVANT appointment.
        “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah; because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. And I also say to you that you are Shimon Kefa, and upon this TSUR I will build my Kehillah, my Chavurah and the gates of Sheol shall not overpower it”
        I’d just been verbally christened as a small stone [ kefa ] relating somehow to an immoveable cornerstone [ tsur ]
        My thoughts flashed back to what Isaiah had written:
        “He who believes in the firmly placed foundation stone will not be disturbed”
        My concurrent revelation of His presence among us was this Cornerstone.
        How many people would ‘get it’ in the face of our brewing persecution?
        By the way … disturb: koosh means too hurriedly; over-eager with excitement.
        Yeah, I know, , right? ~ the Shimon part of my nature
        Consequently, this very premise was reflected later that same week as my newfound image seemed to fall from hero to zero.
        When we heard from His own lips that religious extremists would order His execution – I took it as a test to determine which one
        of us was His ‘right-hand man’ since our inquiry of that had remained virtually unanswered.
        So I piped up again, “Nothing of the sort can happen!” Obviously, not a spirit-filled revelation this time.
        Looking straight into my eyes, He said, “Get behind me, Ha’satan
        You are a michshol to Me; ( stumbling stone )
        for you are not setting your mind on the things of Hashem, but the things of Bnei Adam!
        Wait. He had named the power-seeking, money-grubbing Temple Priests “sons of Ha’satan”
        .. but did He just call a solid rock the devil ?

        While thousands of Israelites perceived this man to be a prophet of God; how many actually grasped the magnitude of His identity
        through the meaning of the Rock – this Cornerstone.
        “If these will be silent, the avanim (stones) will cry out”
        If Israel becomes muted, other building blocks after me will proclaim Him.
        “Whoever falls on this stone will be broken; but on whomever it falls, it will grind him to powder”
        Although my nickname never gave me power to pulverize anyone; I had a second chance to own it, being sorely sifted by the enemy.
        I became more than the surreal Rocky only after my heart was crushed, pride broken, and my human weakness revealed as I fell hard and heavy on the STONE.
        It is written that we Jews were blinded in part due to centuries of disobedience. Therefore, the true identity of our Messiah is spread
        over the earth through Gentile nations. .. other stones called-out to bear this title of ‘Rocky’
        Although nearly all who shared my revelation of the Cornerstone were to be martyred in the years following; none lose sight of it.

        • Shirley Anne

          Amein grandmamoses ! Yahweh willing I hope to visit some day soon… I do want to meet you on Galilee’s Lake Kinneret. Please keep in touch with me. …… how wonderful will it be if My sister and I can come over for the Feast of Tabernacles , after all that is where we will be celebrating with Yahshua Hamashiach, wont we ? Be Blessed For being a Blessing to those you encounter. I feel Blessed. Shalom… A friend from the fellowship, here in Ontario, Canada is learning Hebrew… She is going to give me her Book Hebrew 101. Bye for now.

  • alliekalli

    Thank You Mr. Shoebat and also to your son for everything that both of you do. I was born, baptized and grew up Greek Orthodox but now stepped away from “ceremonial traditions” and just worship Jesus and have a personal relationship with him, and study/read the bible myself. I see myself just a Christian. Even though I don’t like “religion” but love Jesus, I agree all Christians need to unite, and it doesn’t matter what denomination we are from. We need to pray, and help our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ who are being persecuted and killed for their faith. I love everyone even my enemies. Again thank you and God bless!

    • stroncross

      This is very interesting. Why don’t you find or even start a church that Jesus built by restoring the church of the first century? If you are a Christian how can you love Jesus and not love the church that he bought with his own blood? People in all denominations are leaving their church for one error or another. Use the Bible and establish a first century congregation of the Lord’s church. Gera

      • Verity Jane

        Yep. Jesus did not give us a choice. He commanded His disciples to love one another and this was a mark seen in the early Christians. That was a time when the Christian community was powerful in the Great Commission although they’d been bickering about who’s best/right since even when our Lord was still with them in the flesh.

      • grandmamoses

        Stonecross:
        That very thing is happening through the hand of G*d, beginning in the early nineties. Instead of the Greeks explaining Him to the world; this last-generation remnant doesn’t meet under a pagan steeple or learn Latin. We are over the whole face of the earth, so it’s a little difficult to gather in person.

    • http://rudycarrera.com/oiketerion Rudy Carrera
  • hammar

    Most Protestants are not humble people anymore or maybe they never were. They
    point fingers like they are the word of God. Only the Catholic Church stands behind the
    Saints and the Cross of Christ (the Rosary). Unless the faith of all Christians unite (un-Knights)
    we will never march together or bring the world back in faith. God’s Word. Pray for the Pope that
    He can unite the faithful together.

    • http://rudycarrera.com/oiketerion Rudy Carrera

      The good thing, as one can see in the words of a few commentators on this blog, is that Christians of good will are beginning to talk to each other. All three sides need to show humility, and it’s good to see quite a few walking the walk now. It gives one hope for the future.

  • Lisa

    The Vatican’s relations with Islam hit several bumps during Pope Benedict XVI’s papacy: He outraged Muslims with a 2006 speech quoting a Byzantine emperor as saying some of the Prophet Muhammad’s teachings were “evil and inhuman.” And in 2011, the pre-eminent institute of Islamic learning in the Sunni Muslim world, Cairo’s Al-Azhar institute, froze dialogue with the Vatican to protest Benedict’s call for greater protection of Christians in Egypt
    . From Time Magazine

    • billo

      Let’s look at recent history. I say that the Catholics ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN PROTESTANTS WHEN IT COMES TO ISLAM: A LARGE PORTION ARE INDIFFERENT, IGNORANT OF THE DANGER AND EVIL OF ISLAM AND SOME ARE EVEN COMPLICIT WITH ISLAM:

      1. The RCC Catechism states that Catholics worshipt the same God as do the Muslims.
      2. Pope John Paul publically kissed the Q’ran.
      3. A 1965 document cites the common ground between Islam and Catholicism (DECLARATION ON THE RELATION OF THE CHURCH TO NON-CHRISTIAN RElIGIONS, Nostra Aetate, October 28 1965).
      4. Pope Benedict, along with many Roman Catholic Bishops, Priests, University Presidents, scholars, et al, endorsed the “Common Ground” initiative that Rick Warren is condemned for.

      I say Islam needs to be harshly criticized. I say that Islam is a threat to our national survival and to Western Civilization. If Rick Warren is to be condemned then so should others who do the same thing.

      The Shoebats are offended by Evangelicals dueo to the lack of interest and support they get from Evangelicals. I do not blame them. I would be very pleasantly surprised if any Catholic or Orthodox churches even gave them the time of day.

      And this does not even thuch the surface of “Replacement Theology.”

  • grandmamoses

    The Crusaders & “Christian” Nazis killed as many people
    as (Catholic) Roman armies under the guise of religion.

    Strong delusion is now poured over the earth
    in the form of political religion, deceiving most of mankind.

    At this point in time, it looks as if Icons like Glenn Beck may
    help to form a Roman-Islamic-Mormon-Judaism coalition.

    God’s own words declare that He alone will rid the earth of
    Edom’s hoards. .. that will include all those who fall into
    something that just seems right.

    • jackrussell

      grandmamoses, I enjoy reading your contributions. I agree heartily with what I’ve seen from you. I have been following a ministry called ‘Worldview Weekends’ headed by Brannon Howse at w w w (dot) worldviewweekend (dot) com which exposes many of modern ‘protestant’ high profile ministers, the Joel Osteens and Rich Warrens, and collects examples in their writings and also television footage of them equivocating on who can go to heaven, or with what errant belief. He points out the ecumenicalism of Glenn Beck and how all of this is described in the Word as a deception that will lead the world and much of the church astray.

      • Leah

        That’s pretty amazing, in as much as Glenn Beck has been led astray!

    • Paul

      If it wasn’t for the Crusaders, Islam would have had full control of all of Europe for the last 800 – 1000 years. You obviously don’t know your history, but only the anti-Catholic rhetoric spewed by its enemies. You should also look at the number of those killed by the protestants in the 16th century and how they stole or destroyed the Catholic churches and their belongings.

      • laughterjones

        Understandably, life is ‘easier’ without the repressive rule of a foreign, violent religion like Islam. However, an un-persecuted people is not a requisite for serving Jesus. We should not be so bold to think we sustain his word, but rather that he does, in any situation. One could very well make a valid argument to show that Jesus’s message is much more effective during times of persecution than not.

  • Guy4Truth

    I stumbled upon your site. I was looking for a credible source on topics of Christianity and Islam. I thought I may have found it. But before I choose to trust a source, I do some of my own research. I was reading this article when I came across your comments about Rick Warren and his view of the Christian God and Muslim God being the same. I’m not a big Rick Warren fan, so I went to research this specifically to learn more. I came across this article: http://bit.ly/wi8P6n which clearly shows that Rick was misquoted and that he quickly corrected the misrepresentation.

    It appears to me, Mr. Shoebat that you do not do your own research to verify truth before making statements that call into question another’s character.

    For this reason, I do not feel that I can look to your writings as a reliable source. I do not say that with disrespect or any ill will. I only hope that my thoughts may prompt you to be more vigilant in your research before posting something to those readers who trust your writings.

    God Bless You.
    Preston M.

    • Verity Jane

      Hi Guy for Truth, Not sure whether you’ve gone away already but wanted to thank you for that link. Only two days ago a workmate & I were sharing the rumour re Rick Warren; now shown to be misinformation. Now I have a good source if that rumour comes up with anyone. I’d suggest don’t be so hard on Walid. He’s putting out daily posts and errors can be corrected in discussion here.

  • dianakay

    Walid, I feel your pain..so many opinions, so few answers. May I try?

    We would never deny all that God has shown you. Likewise he has shown us.

    Jeremiah 44:17, God needs no QUEEN.

    1 Timothy 2:5, God needs no MEDIATOR.

    1 Peter 2:9, God has made us a ROYAL PRIESTHOOD

    May I submit Daniel 2. The 10 toes in Daniel represent the 10 kings in Revelation 13. 10 toes are in the 4th kingdom, Daniel 2:41. This kingdom is partly clay, partly iron. Iron is always Rome, Daniel 7:19. Out of this divided kingdom 10 kings shall arise, Daniel 7:24.

    Could it possibly be that the 2 religions, Islam & Catholic/East & West, will join together to take the HOLY LAND once again? After all…history always repeats itself. They are @ last in bed together..

    “And in the day’s of these final ten kings shall the God of Heaven set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed.” Daniel 2:44

    I apologize for these evangelicals that do not support you. God has made you ordained you for such a time as this.

    • billo

      I am an evangelical. I support the Shoebats. With prayer and financially. I have read his books. I have met Walid and personally heard him speak. I love Walid and PRAY FOR HIS SAFETY DAILY.

      I have adopted his escatological perspective. I believe it is scriptural. His insights are revolutionary.

      I disagree with Walid and Ted on one point. They have asserted that the RCC is not subject to criticism for their (the RCC’s) current endorsement and complicit behavior toward Islam.

      The Catholic Church has been complicit with Islam in (at least) the following instances:

      1. The RCC Catechism states that Catholics worshipt the same God as do the Muslims.
      2. Pope John Paul publically kissed the Q’ran.
      3. A 1965 document cites the common ground between Islam and Catholicism (DECLARATION ON THE RELATION OF THE CHURCH TO NON-CHRISTIAN RElIGIONS, Nostra Aetate, October 28 1965).
      4. Pope Benedict, along with many Roman Catholic Bishops, Priests, University Presidents, scholars, et al, endorsed the “Common Ground” initiative that Rick Warren is condemned for.

      The Shoebats, who would not be welcomed or allowed to speak at any Catholic Church, are ignored by many evangelicals and embraced by others (like me). They made unsound statements. They are not infalliable.

      Protestants, Catholics, secularists…everyone needs to resist and oppose Islam. The Cahtolic Church, like many among the Protestants, is IN GRAVE ERROR REGARDING ISLAM.

    • stroncross

      In Col.1:13 the Christians in that city and I may assume in others as well, “… were transferred into the Kingdom of the Son of God’s love.”
      Please explain how in the first century a Christian is translated into a kingdom that will not be established until (even now) a future time?
      Gera

  • opinionated

    “Why did God choose Catholics to stop Islam in its tracks in all the major battles intended to destroy Christendom?”

    My answer?

    Because the Jewish Messiah, Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ and Son of God, established “One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church” as His body here on earth until He returns, declaring that the gates of Hell would never prevail against it.

    • sumsrent

      You’re adding words… learn to speak the truth.

      • Shirley Anne

        Exactly… Where does the Bible proclaim, one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church ???? This Is found in THEIR Catechism. Only the Truth can set you free, Opinionated.

        • opinionated

          Shirley Anne:

          And whom do you think brought you your Holy Bible?

          That would be: The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

          • xenia7

            I can’t believe what I’m reading. If you don’t know the roots of a word in your language don’t attempt to interpret anything! The word catholic comes from the Greek word “καθολικος” meaning “whole”, “all”, “total” and in the Lord’s prayer it means “the whole Church”, “everyone”. May I remind you that Christian is not only catholic or protestant, but Orthodox as well. The Orthodox also site this part in the Lord’s prayer, obviously not because they are catholic because they are not, but because catholic means “whole”, and the Greek Orthodox obviously know what it means. The fact that the catholics chose the word “catholic” to represent their doctrine is a bit unfortunate, that’s why those who know use the term “Roman catholic church” or other terms without the word “catholic”. In any case, the word catholic is not used to mean those of the catholic doctrine, at least not in that prayer.

          • xenia7

            oh, and by the way, God did not “choose” the catholics to fight islam so that it wouldn’t expand in europe. All the Orthodox nations, Greece, Serbia, Russia, Romania etc, they have all fought against islam throughout the centuries, as well. History and linguistics are important here.

          • Leah

            God gave us His Word, not you, dear opinionated one.

      • opinionated

        Not sure where exactly I added words. This is simply a statement of what all Christians believed for fifteen hundred years, until the Protestant revolt.

        • xenia7

          Not really, and you cannot speak for all Christians. The very large Eastern Orthodox Church, which is the oldest as well until the Roman Catholics chose to separate themselves, does not teach the Roman Catholic doctrine i.e. that Christ is not exactly the same as God, but that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one and the same.

    • Demelza

      From the Baltimore Catechism. I do not belong to the Novus Ordo, but a traditional Roman Catholic church of Vatican I. These are considered the Marks and Attributes of our Roman Catholic Church.

      152. Which is the one true Church established by Christ?
      The one true Church established by Christ is the Catholic Church.

      And other sheep I have that are not of this fold. Them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice, and there shall be one fold and one shepherd. (John 10:16)

      153. How do we know that the Catholic Church is the one true Church established by Christ?
      We know that the Catholic Church is the one true Church established by Christ because it alone has the marks of the true Church.

      Holy Father, keep in thy name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we also are. (John 17:11)

      154. What do we mean by the marks of the Church?
      By the marks of the Church we mean certain clear signs by which all men can recognize it as the true Church founded by Jesus Christ.

      155. What are the chief marks of the Church?
      The chief marks of the Church are four: It is one, holy, catholic or universal, and apostolic.

      156. Why is the Catholic Church one?
      The Catholic Church is one because all its members, according to the will of Christ, profess the same faith, have the same sacrifice and sacraments, and are united under one and the same visible head, the Pope.

      Because the bread is one, we though many, are one body, all of us who partake of the one bread. (I Corinthians 10:17)

      157. Why is the Catholic Church holy?
      The Catholic Church is holy because it was founded by Jesus Christ, who is all-holy, and because it teaches, according to the will of Christ, holy doctrines, and provides the means of leading a holy life, thereby giving holy members to every age.

      A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore, by their fruits you will know them. (Matthew 7:17-20)

      158. Why is the Catholic Church catholic or universal?
      The Catholic Church is catholic or universal because, destined to last for all time, it never fails to fulfill the divine commandment to teach all nations all the truths revealed by God.

      And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world, for a witness to all nations. (Matthew 24:14)

      159. Why is the Catholic Church apostolic?
      The Catholic Church is apostolic because it was founded by Christ on the apostles and, according to His divine will, has always been governed by their lawful successors.

      And I say to thee, thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (Matthew 16:18)

      160. How do we know that no other church but the Catholic Church is the true Church of Christ?
      We know that no other church but the Catholic Church is the true Church of Christ because no other church has these four marks.

    • billo

      The illogic of the Shoebat’s assertion that due to the fact that Roman Catholics militarily opposed, fought and prevailed against Islamic invaders around 500 years ago and therefore are beyond all criticism for the complicit behavior toward Islam today is only trumped by the illogic that the stamp of approval of God’s favor is found in their military victories.

      As a Roman Catholic then you must admit that God has chosen the NATION of Israel because they are the most recent victors of militarily defeating Islamic invaders.

      Also, God put His stamp of approval on the Soviets because they defeated the Nazis in eastern Europe, according to your logic.

      Also, the U.S., a nation founded by PROTESTANTS has been approved by God by our victory over the Nazis and Imperial Japan.

      It’s sad you cannot bring yourself to criticize the following:

      1. A church who in their most sacred writings (i.e the Cathechism) equates Christianity with Islam:

      841-”together with us they adore the one, merciful God…” Do Muslims indeed worship the same God that Cahtolics worship? THIS PROTESTANT SAYS: NO!

      2. A church whoes leader (the Pope), many Bishops, Priests, religious leaders, etc. publically and officially endorsed the “Common Word” initiative-a public initiative and statement that grants credibility to Islam.

      3. A church whoes leader (the Pope) publically kissed the Q’ran.

      4. A church, who in the document “DECLARATION ON THE RELATION OF THE CHURCH TO NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS” (1965) cites the many points of agreement between Catholicism and Islam.

      The evangelical Protestants, the Shoebats, condemn people like Rick Warren and a Mormon, Glenn Beck, for similar (perhaps) statements. Yet they turn around and rebuke anyone who would dare criticize Catholicism because of the Catholic wars against the Muslims 500 years ago? (Hello)?????

      Why don’t you just be a Christian, and apologize for the evil your church has comitted. I personally accept Catholics as brothers and sisters in Christ. I love Rick Warren, The Pope, The Shoebats, you, all Catholics, all Protestants, all Muslims, Glenn Beck…all-but we must ALL REPENT AS CHRISTIANS, STAND FIRM AND EXPOSE EVIL AND ERROR. The Protestants are largely either indifferent to or complicit with Islam. The same is true with the RCC. The only Truth is Jesus Christ, the Son of God. The west must be saved from the political, social, economic and religious anti-Messiah…Islam.

      • Demelza

        Billio, contrary to the prejudice you have been taught in your evangelical church, CATHOLICS ARE CHRISTIAN TOO!! Why don’t we all apologize for the evils that Protestantism, evangelism and Catholism have caused. All history of Christendom falls short of the glory of God, and all have had their scandals and evil.

        On another note, The Novus Ordo Catholic Church is schismatic from the True Catholic Church. The true Catholic church in no way condones ecumenism. The true Catholic Church will never stand side by side with Islam stating that their God is the same as the Christian God. So let’s all hold hands and apologize together…all Catholics, evangelicals and Protestants alike! Why do you only seek to criticize Catholics, and tell Walid he needs to become a Christian, and apologize for the bad aspect of Catholic history. Seems to me, all of us need to humble ourselves and look in our own back yards!

        Matthew “7:5: You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.’

        1 Peter 4:7 The end of all things is near; therefore, be of sound judgment and sober spirit for the purpose of prayer.8.Above all, keep fervent in your love for one another, because love covers a multitude of sins.9.Be hospitable to one another without complaint.

        • billo

          Mr. D. : Here’s a quote from one of my posts on this page:

          “I personally accept Catholics as brothers and sisters in Christ.”

          I was raised Roman Catholic and attended Roman Catholic High School and a Jesuit University. At the age of 19, while attending the well known Jesuit University I believed in Christ and the gospel of grace (i.e. Paul’s Gospel, Romans 2:16)

          My only criticism was the following: YES, WE EVANGELICALS ARE GUILTY OF BEING COMPLICIT AND COMPROMISING WITH ISLAM. SO ARE CATHOLICS.

          Then, Ted, posted a response and demanded that I “lay off Catholics.” I have refused.

          If Rick Warren, Glenn Beck and others ( many of whom are Protestants, even the majority) are going to be excoriated and condemned for being compsomising towards Islam, then so should the RCC.

          Again, evangelicals regularly admit their failures. We know we have no one who is infallible. Catholics, refuse to admit the RCC’s actions are EXACTLY THE SAME, from the highest, even Papal level and Magesterium. I’m persueaded it has something to do with the supremecist and infallible self description of Catholicism.

          “1 Peter 4:7 The end of all things is near; therefore, be of sound judgment and sober spirit for the purpose of prayer.8.Above all, keep fervent in your love for one another, because love covers a multitude of sins.9.Be hospitable to one another without complaint.”

          Does this scriptural citation above apply to the Shoebats, who condemn Rick Warren, who condemn lazy and indifferent evangelicals and does it apply to you who consider us evangelicals as heretics? Or does this also just apply to Protestant evangelicals?

        • billo

          Also-I love Walid Shoebat. I never have ever wrote that he wasn’t a Christian or doubted his Christianity. I support him in every way: financially, prayerfully-I have been greatly bless by Walid.

          Walid is a wonderful Christian and a great man of God.

          He is not infallible.

          I agree with his criticism of Protestant Evangelicals. We are largely lazy and infdifferent. God forgive us. Many are apostate.

          But, I believe that Cahtolics deserve the same criticism.

          That’s my entire point.

        • Shirley Anne

          Demelza, please explain to me why is it necessary to have 1 ) a separate Catholic Bible , 2 ) Obliterate the 3rd Commandment , thou shall not worship idols nor bow down to any graven image and divide up the 10th. to make a #9 & # 10… so it makes up the 10 commandments that the entire world know that there are exactly 10 commandments. 3 ) To call IL papa, The Vicar Of Christ ( instead of ) and that he can absolve one of sin. Only the Unblemished Lamb Of God Could Do that for us and He did it 2,000 years ago. I used to be a catholic ( it only means, Universal ) and Yahshua Ha’Mashiach set me free with His truth !

        • jackrussell

          Demelza, it is not impossible for any Catholic to be a Christian. But if any part of your belief puts any part of your standing with God as hinging upon your own actions or whether you pray a rosary (graven image) or pray to Mary, the fleshly human who is as asleep in Christ as my own mother is, or any other form of action or belief OTHER that 100% of salvation and being ‘kept’ is by the shed blood of Christ, then there is no salvation when your own actions are contributed. Jesus said, ‘I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, no man comes to the father but by me’, and the scripture explains that our own righteousness is as filthy rags, of no value to God. When we are ‘born again’, through faith in Christ’s sacrifice for our sins, we are spiritually ‘born again’. I can no more sin my kinship to God away than I can sin my kinship to my earthly parents away. I am called to be a reflection of God in the world, but none of my salvation is predicated upon that.

    • Shirley Anne

      THAT IS JUST YOUR OPINION… YOU NAME SUITS YOU WELL….. YOUR RCC IS JUST LIKE THE TALMUD… ORAL LAWS MADE UP BY THE HYPOCRITICAL RABBI’S… NO DIFFERENT THAN YOUR IL-PAPPA !!!! CHANGING INSPIRED WORDS OF YAHWEH AND MAKING UP DOCTRINES OF MEN…. THE VERY THINGS PAUL WARNED US AGAINST…. BE SOBER, BE VIGILANT !!!!

      • grandmamoses
        • Shirley Anne

          grandmamoses… I get their magazine which is issued every 2 months… Also, their email newsletters… You probably do know that this was started by Herbert W. Armstrong and his World Wide Church of God, in the early 70′s …. He died in 1986, in Pasadena ,California. That church has since been dismantled and there are various off-shoots of this cult…. There are several Living Church of God establishments that have sprung up !!! I got caught up by them !!! Prayed about , what just didn’t sit right with my spirit. ( I went there because they DO keep the shabbat and Yahweh’s Feast days. ) However, there was a whole bunch of non scriptural endorsements ! The most evident is the Greco-Roman mindset… This Jesus-stuff and Calling themselves ” The Little Flock ” considered themselves , set-apart , in fact quite the contrary ! Yah sure looks after His child. I have found my Ka’hal and my Torah, my foundation and my Instruction manual for living as a citizen in His Imperial Kingdom….. Bless Rabbi Ralph Messer who is teaching my sister and I to operate in His Constitution… NOT hasatan’s despotic kingdom !

          • grandmamoses

            Hmmm … I don’t follow all these threads on any certain topic, Shirley ..
            but thanks for the ‘heads up’ about the link. I read some of their Newsletters,
            but haven’t seen anything questionable.
            ( I feel like we’re using the Shoebat site for a chatroom sometimes ) lol
            My Bad.
            As for our goofy Icon faces here … HAH … You’re very perceptive. Don’t know what’s up with that.

          • sugarbeans08

            Yeah. I got involved with this church for ten years. And I quit going back in 1993 when the church basically fell apart. This church has, I have read, splintered over 200 different times. It is constantly evolving and operates under many different names. One, for instance, is the United Church of God. But they all teach a variation of what Herbert W. Armstrong originally taught. They do keep the Sabbath and the Holy Days or Feast Days. This “church” does not feed the flock, they feed off of the flock! Every time one minister disagrees with another minister they think they have to then go off and start their own church. In the process they lose track of their main mission which is to “feed the flock.” They have ego problems and they all want to be the big frog in the little pond. In my opinion, countless lives have been ruined by this “church” and I would recommend anyone looking into any of these splinter groups to run away as fast as you can! They claim to be the “one true church” They claim that they alone have the “faith once delivered to the saints” This “church” is full of monkey business. They expect you to marry in the church so that you will not be unequally yoked. You cannot wear make-up. And on and on it goes with their legalism. You are better off just remembering what Jesus said, “If you love me, keep my commandments.” That is much easier than trying to navigate all the crazy extras that this church will require of you. I could go on and on about this “church’ but I won’t. You can poke around on the internet and do some research and then you know what I am talking about here. I also want to say that everything I have stated here is entirely my own opinion.

    • shirleyanne12

      HOG WASH!!!
      Yeshua HaMashiach was referring to Himself being the Chief Corner-Stone!
      For crying out loud Peter was a sinner like you and me.
      Your il papa is NO VICAR… HE IS NOT YESHUA ON EARTH …
      SUCH BLASPHEMY!!!!!
      GO AND TESHUVAH !!!
      Those that you’ll call SAINTS HAVE ALL RETURNED TO DUST.
      STOP GUARDING JOHN PAUL’S TOMB AND PRAYING TO THE DEAD.
      THAT IS NECROMANSIA AND IS A GRAVE SIN!!!!
      OPEN THE THE BIBLE FOR YOURSELVES AND ASK GOD FOR FORGIVENESS AND ASK HIM INTO YOUR LIFE AND TO OPEN THE EYES OF YOUR UNDERSTANDING.
      YE HAVE NOT BECAUSE YE ASK NOT.

      • Leah

        Amein!

  • Canada

    There is a serious issue with the term CATHOLIC. Most do not even know what CATHOLIC means It means universal.
    Most believers in JESUS CHRIST are replused when it comes to the religion of ROMAN catholic. True biblical religion (if you want to follow religion) is to feed the hungry and look after the widows. As a former Roman Catholic, never did this evil institution come to our rescue when my mother of 9 children was widowed and I do not know of any person (I am 70 years old) that the ROMAN catholic helped feed and clothe. They did however come into a area to spread their doctorine and They sent the Jesuits in to take political control of nations, and to violate the innocence of the youth and to steal from the peoples making them (RC) one of the most richest and corrupt religions of this world. . It is the ROMAN in front of catholic or better know as RC that self appointed a man for pope to lead this evil corrupt RELIGION. Roman catholic (RC) usurps what JESUS CHRIST did on the cross for all mankind. As followers and disciples of CHRIST JESUS we do not look any human being to guide and lead us. Did you notice that Bush, Blair, etc all of a sudden became ROMAN CATHOLICS beside the muslim leaders that run to kiss the corrupt popes hand, as well as some evangelicals which have come into agreement with the pope. Its all about ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT and ONE WORLD RELIGION and ONE WORLD ECONOMICS. The evil ROMAN CATHOLICS and the evil MUSLIMS will/are joining forces as the ONE WORLD RELIGION TO FOOL and DESTROY US (the ELECT). I thank the GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB that the present PM of Canada has enough BOLDNESS TO STAND WITH ISRAEL. i AS A FOLLOWER OF YESHUA AM GRAFTED INTO THAT COVENANT.

    • Demelza

      The word Catholic (katholikos from katholou — throughout the whole, i.e., universal) occurs in the Greek classics, e.g., in Aristotle and Polybius, and was freely used by the earlier Christian writers in what we may call its primitive and non-ecclesiastical sense. Thus we meet such phrases as the “the catholic resurrection” (Justin Martyr), “the catholic goodness of God” (Tertullian), “the four catholic winds” (Irenaeus), where we should now speak of “the general resurrection”, “the absolute or universal goodness of God”, “the four principal winds”, etc. The word seems in this usage to be opposed to merikos (partial) or idios (particular), and one familiar example of this conception still survives in the ancient phrase “Catholic Epistles” as applied to those of St. Peter, St. Jude, etc., which were so called as being addressed not to particular local communities, but to the Church at large.

      The combination “the Catholic Church” (he katholike ekklesia) is found for the first time in the letter of St. Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans, written about the year 110. The words run: “Wheresoever the bishop shall appear, there let the people be, even as where Jesus may be, there is the universal [katholike] Church.” However, in view of the context, some difference of opinion prevails as to the precise connotation of the italicized word, and Kattenbusch, the Protestant professor of theology at Giessen, is prepared to interpret this earliest appearance of the phrase in the sense of mia mone, the “one and only” Church [Das apostolische Symbolum (1900), II, 922]. From this time forward the technical signification of the word Catholic meets us with increasing frequency both East and West, until by the beginning of the fourth century it seems to have almost entirely supplanted the primitive and more general meaning. The earlier examples have been collected by Caspari (Quellen zur Geschichte des Taufsymbols, etc., III, 149 sqq.). Many of them still admit the meaning “universal”. The reference (c. 155) to “the bishop of the catholic church in Smyrna” (Letter on the Martyrdom of St. Polycarp, xvi), a phrase which necessarily presupposes a more technical use of the word, is due, some critics think, to interpolation. On the other hand this sense undoubtedly occurs more than once in the Muratorian Fragment (c. 180), where, for example, it is said of certain heretical writings that they “cannot be received in the Catholic Church”. A little later, Clement of Alexandria speaks very clearly. “We say”, he declares, “that both in substance and in seeming, both in origin and in development, the primitive and Catholic Church is the only one, agreeing as it does in the unity of one faith” (Stromata, VII, xvii; P.G., IX, 552). From this and other passages which might be quoted, the technical use seems to have been clearly established by the beginning of the third century. In this sense of the word it implies sound doctrine as opposed to heresy, and unity of organization as opposed to schism (Lightfoot, Apostolic Fathers, Part II, vol. I, 414 sqq. and 621 sqq.; II, 310-312). In fact Catholic soon became in many cases a mere appellative–the proper name, in other words, of the true Church founded by Christ, just as we now frequently speak of the Orthodox Church, when referring to the established religion of the Russian Empire, without adverting to the etymology of the title so used. It was probably in this sense that the Spaniards Pacian (Ep. i ad Sempron.) writes, about 370: “Christianus mihi nonem est, catholicus cognomen”, and it is noteworthy that in various early Latin expositions of the Creed, notably that of Nicetas of Remesiana, which dates from about 375 (ed. Burn, 1905, p. lxx), the word Catholic in the Creed, though undoubtedly coupled at that date with the words Holy Church, suggests no special comment. Even in St. Cyprian (c. 252) it is difficult to determine how far he uses the word Catholic significantly, and how far as a mere name. The title, for instance, of his longest work is “On the Unity of the Catholic Church”, and we frequently meet in his writings such phrases as catholica fides (Ep. xxv; ed. Hartel, II, 538); catholica unitas (Ep. xxv, p. 600); catholica regula (Ep. lxx, p. 767), etc. The one clear idea underlying all is orthodox as opposed to heretical, and Kattenbusch does not hesitate to admit that in Cyprian we first see how Catholic and Roman came eventually to be regarded as interchangeable terms. (Cf. Harnack, Dogmengeschichte, II, 149-168.) Moreover it should be noted that the word Catholica was sometimes used substantively as the equivalent of ecclesia Catholica. An example is to be found in the Muratorian Fragment, another seemingly in Tertullian (De Praescrip, xxx), and many more appear at a later date, particularly among African Writers.

      http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03449a.htm

      • xenia7

        “The word Catholic (katholikos from katholou — throughout the whole, i.e., universal”.
        Please, do not give interpretations when you don’t know a language. I am Greek and I see all kinds of nonsense written in here. Who on earth told you that “katholikos” comes from “katholou”? Within the same subject in here, I’ve written ages ago what katholikos means and where it comes from. Katholikos comes from the merging of kata and olikos, meaning “according to all”, olikos means all, as you say “universal”. On the other hand, katholou means “not, not any, not at all” and although to non-Greeks it seems that the two words are similar, in essence they are not because the roots to these two words are different.

    • Demelza

      CANADA: You said:’There is a serious issue with the term CATHOLIC. Most do not even know what CATHOLIC means It means universal. Most believers in JESUS CHRIST are repulsed when it comes to the religion of ROMAN catholic. True biblical religion (if you want to follow religion) is to feed the hungry and look after the widows. As a former Roman Catholic, never did this evil institution come to our rescue when my mother of 9 children was widowed and I do not know of any person (I am 70 years old) that the ROMAN.catholic helped feed and clothe”

      I would like to say, I am sorry that the Catholic Church where you live did not come to the aid of your mother, and you had this devastating experience. Whom ever the clergy was that made this decision was very wrong, and they will account for it when they stand before God. However;I do know of many other’s who have had a positive experience.

      A math teacher of mine, whose mother was widowed, and left her with 11 children to raise alone, did get a lot of help from her local Catholic Church!! They all received a free education for one. Praise God for the kindness of her faith, and the Catholic Church which helped her. I have to say, where I grew up, we had a very cohesive Catholic congregation, which was very community oriented. I must say though, lack of charity knows no boundaries, and is not just allocated to the Catholic church. I have witnessed protestant/evangelical churches who lack charity as well, and the same goes with individual Christians. Furthermore, another friend of mine had unfortunately made bad choices in her life, and married a very abusive husband, who was sentenced to life in prison for rape and murder. He had had a double life. She divorced him. She started attending an evangelical church, and became born again. She struggling to raise 3 daughters alone. I was astounded that all the church could offer her were prayers and bible studies, and superficial friendship. I helped her financially where I could.She initially had to go on welfare, but later came off, and worked for many years financially struggling to raise her three daughters, but she did do it by the grace of God.

      And now CANADA:, while I assume you are talking about the violations of molestations some Catholic clergy made on innocent children, how can you judge and entire Church for the actions of those evil pedophile clergy? Imagine me judging and entire evangelical congregation by the actions of people like Joel Osteen, Jimmy Swagert, Reverend Jim Baker, the Rev. Jessie Jackson. As a Christian, I cannot put their entire flock or church into the same corrupt category as these pastors, because I know there are many ernest and pious members of their church. It is funny how people say the Catholic Church acquired their wealth through the blood sweat and tears of the working class, and yet, how did Joel Osteen, Binny Hinn, Pat Robertson, Joyce Meyer, Billy Grahm make their money? They did it through the funds of hard working people, and most of them take a big cut of the donations for their fees, before any of it goes to charities to help the poor!

      CANADA: you say:” As followers and disciples of CHRIST JESUS we do not look any human being to guide and lead us.”

      If we do not look to any human being to guide us and lead us, then why would many people, Catholics, Evangelicals, Protestants even attend church to listen to a reverend, pastor or deacon give the church services? Why do so many Christians seek spiritual guidance from pastors, who are considered after Jesus, the head of their congregation or church?

      CANADA: You said:’ Did you notice that Bush, Blair, etc all of a sudden became ROMAN CATHOLICS beside the muslim leaders that run to kiss the corrupt popes hand, as well as some evangelicals which have come into agreement with the pope. Its all about ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT and ONE WORLD RELIGION and ONE WORLD ECONOMICS. The evil ROMAN CATHOLICS and the evil MUSLIMS will/are joining forces as the ONE WORLD RELIGION TO FOOL and DESTROY US (the ELECT).”

      CANADA: Clearly, the Novus Ordo Catholic Church has lost its way, for I, as a practicing traditional Vatican I Catholic have been taught that these acts of false ecumenism of the Novus Ordo according to the words of Pope Pius XI:

      “…to favor this opinion of ecumenism and to encourage such undertakings is tantamount to abandoning the religion revealed by God” (Mortalium Animos, 1929

      Furthermore It was for this reason that the Catholic Church, prior to the Second Vatican Council, had forbidden Catholics to take active part in non-Catholic worship. Canon 1258 of the Code of Canon Law (1917) legislated:

      “It is forbidden to actively participate in the worship of non-Catholics.” (communicatio in sacris)

      And also Canon 2316:

      “One who cooperates communicatio in sacris contrary to the provision of Canon 1258 is suspected of heresy.”

      In the conclusion of his teaching on false ecumenism, Pope Pius XI stated:

      “Thus, Venerable Brethren, it is clear why this Apostolic See has never allowed its subjects to take part in the assemblies of non-Catholics.”

      THE MODERN CATHOLIC CHURCH..NOVUS ORDO IS PRACTICING HERESY, AND IS CONSIDERED SCHISMATIC FROM THE TRUE UNIVERSAL CHURCH.

      The enemies of the TRUE Catholic “UNIVERSAL” church today believe they also have discredited and destroyed the true Catholic Church. This is what is happening in the Novus Ordo Vatican II. Little do they know that the Son of God has promised to be with His Church all days even to the consummation of the world and that the gates of Hell will not prevail.

    • Shirley Anne

      Amein ! Shalom from Ontario, Canada. I too am a covenanted Israelite.

    • Paul

      If you truly understood the scriptures, your mothers family has the first responsibility to take care of your family. If there is no family then the Church would step in to help. I am not too far away from your age and I can tell you this, what you see as the catholic church is not the real Catholic Church. It was usurped by the very people you mention. This happened in 1958. The Novus Ordo church that passes itself off as the Catholic Church is a phony and is easily seen when comparing the teachings since 1958, starting w/John XIII, to today and comparing them to what the True Catholic Church previously taught.

  • grandmamoses

    Reply to ‘canada’

    I’m nearly 70, as well. Have studied world religions for 20 yrs.
    Some of your insight is more accurate than you may know.
    They base the whole papal empire on one NT Bible verse, altered by Greek translators.

    Matthew 16:18
    And I also say to you that you are Shimon Kefa. Upon this TSUR,
    I will build my Kehillah, my Chavurah; and the shaarei Sheol shall not overpower it.
    ……………………………………………………………………………………………….

    In the role of “tzur” God is flawlessly unchanging, immovable, ,,
    His precepts cannot be altered or penetrated.
    “Kehillah” Jewish population /community dealing with charities and communal affairs.
    “Chavurah” ..Qahal of Moshiach ( set-apart, Covenant Remnant )
    Universal is just the opposite ( ANTI: mirrored image, but flipped )

  • Demelza

    What I see here in all these post are a perfect example of why there was argument against sola scriptura , because it has splintered the Church. Thousands of Protestant denominations exist today, each one claiming to interpret Scripture by the guidance of the Holy Spirit. There are also Jews, who do not accept Jesus Christ as the Messiah, and there are Jews for Jesus Christ. Each of these denomination believes, if one does not accept their interpretation of scripture, from the Bible or Torah, we are instruments of the devil, doomed to burn in Hell for all eternity! All seem so caught up in the Letter of the Law.

    This reminds me of the Parable of the Good Samaritan, who was a good man and very compassionately help the poor. He did not know the letter of the law, yet it he actually followed the law in his lifestyle, and conduct. The Pharisees knew the Letter of the Law, but in their conduct and lifestyles did not live the heart.

    I wonder if God will condemn Christian or Jewish denomination to hell, who while not being spot on with the letter of the law, they were like the good Samaritan, who lived the heart of the law in his life. While I do believe God is just, I do believe he is a lot more compassionate and forgiving, than any of us could ever know. His forgiveness knows no boundaries. Mostly, he is certainly more forgiving and understanding than humans. I have a hunch, when those claiming to have the perfect interpretation of the Bible over other Christian faiths stand before him, even you will be enlightened. I truly believe, due to so many interpretations of scripture, all fall short of perfection and the glory of God, and if you are one of those claiming to have the perfection of scripture, you are just as arrogant as the Pharisees!

    To much judgment and condemning and judging of other Christians here. I actually came for concerns about Islamization of the world here, and not to judge other peoples faith. I leave that to God. In the end, it is all between God and each individual anyway.

  • billo

    Mr. D: You should confess your SIN of disparaging and distorting the positions of Jews for Jesus or many or the true Christians who are of the Prtoestant confession.

    Here’s your distorted and misleading position:

    “Each of these denomination believes, if one does not accept their interpretation of scripture, from the Bible or Torah, we are instruments of the devil, doomed to burn in Hell for all eternity! All seem so caught up in the Letter of the Law.”

    Each one accepts the others, AND ANYONE, as long as they confess the faith in Jesus. “IF YOU CONFESS WITH YOUR MOUTH THE LORD JESUS AND BELIEVEIN YOUR HEART HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD YOU WILL BE SAVED.” (ROMANS 10:9)

    WHAT WAS THE ONLY REQUIREMENT THAT JESUS MENTIONS IN JOHN 3:16 IN ORDER TO BE SAVED? “WHOSOEVER BELIEVES.”

    The only church who even approaches, if not actually states exactly what you erroneously accuse Protestants and Messianic Jews of above is THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH.

    • stroncross

      Have you read Revelations lately? John presents some ideas that seem to apply to this discussion.
      Rev. 2:5
      remember, then, whence thou hast fallen, and reform, and the first works do; and if not, I come to thee quickly, and will remove thy lamp-stand from its place–if thou mayest not reform;
      2:9- I have known thy works, and tribulation, and poverty–yet thou art rich–and the evil-speaking of those saying themselves to be Jews, and are not, but are a synagogue of the Adversary.
      2:14-16
      But I have against thee a few things: That thou hast there those holding the teaching of Balaam, who did teach Balak to cast a stumbling-block before the sons of Israel, to eat idol-sacrifices, and to commit whoredom;
      so hast thou, even thou, those holding the teaching of the Nicolaitans–which thing I hate.
      Reform! and if not, I come to thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
      2:20-23
      But I have against thee a few things: That thou dost suffer the woman Jezebel, who is calling herself a prophetess, to teach, and to lead astray, my servants to commit whoredom, and idol-sacrifices to eat;
      and I did give to her a time that she might reform from her whoredom, and she did not reform;
      lo, I will cast her into a couch, and those committing adultery with her into great tribulation–if they may not repent of their works,
      and her children I will kill in death, and know shall all the assemblies that I am he who is searching reins and hearts; and I will give to you–to each–according to your works.
      3:1-3
      lo, I make of the synagogue of the Adversary those saying themselves to be Jews, and are not, but do lie; lo, I will make them that they may come and bow before thy feet, and may know that I loved thee.
      3:15-16
      I have known thy works, that neither cold art thou nor hot; I would thou wert cold or hot.
      So–because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I am about to vomit thee out of my mouth;
      because thou sayest–I am rich, and have grown rich, and have need of nothing, and hast not known that thou art the wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked,

      Do you suppose he is referring to the true church?
      Gera

      • grandmamoses

        In response to stonecross:

        I’ve had a sick feeling for while, now, that the woman riding the beast
        is this Greco-Roman ‘church’.. joined up with the Edomite hoards in
        the last days against Israel – forming a beast system.
        She lured true believers away from Torah, their first love. After 2,000
        years, many nations are drunk on her wine, and God has turned over
        to strong delusion .. reprobate minds.
        Why did the Greeks keep Abraham’s name in the scriptures, but change the name of Messiah ?

        • xenia7

          “I’ve had a sick feeling for while, now, that the woman riding the beast
          is this Greco-Roman ‘church’.. “…….. quite hilarious really. WHO exactly are you to interpret the Apocalypse?? First of all, the Greek Eastern Orthodox church is different from the Roman church. There is no Greco-Roman church. Second, and most importantly, it is evident that you come in here to incite hatred against the Greek and the Eastern Orthodox. The Greek Eastern Orthodox church is forming a beast system against israel???!!! You really have a distorted view of things. The Greek Orthodox church has accepted Jesus Christ as the Savior, centuries ago, and has been persecuted for it throughout the centuries. Israel has never accepted Jesus Christ and they are still waiting for the “Messiah”. For anyone with even the slightest knowledge of Greek history it is evident that israel has always incited and urged islam to terrorize orthodox christians. Israel had teamed-up with the Ottoman turks during 1453-1821, when the islamists were torturing, staking, beheading Greeks so that they wouldn’t rebel against them and so that they would renounce christianity. People of the jewish faith often spread unfounded accusations against Orthodox priests or even preachers and slandered them to the turks, often offering money to the Ottoman turks to kill them. This is WRITTEN in history. Israel, which never accepted Jesus, always incited islam against the Orhodox Christians who had accepted Jesus from very early on. These are facts, not a false attempt to interpret the Apocalypse. Based on facts, the conclusions are there for everyone to make and the truth is obvious to those who want to see it.

        • shirleyanne12

          Grandmamoses, I strongly feel that it is the European Elitist Illuminati that is pushing forth the NOVOS ORDO SAECULUM.
          These are the Rothschilds, Bilderberg, the Vatican, British Monarchy et al. They CONTROL the Federal Reserve, the Bank of England, World Bank, not to mention the $$$$$$$$ Il Papa has CONTROL over !!!!!
          They are NO more a COVERT OPERANT.
          The beast is RISING from the Sea!

          • Leah

            yup

          • Paul

            It is also, and has since the election of JohnXIII, been pushing forward the NOVUS ORDO CHURCH, the Vatican II church which is not Catholic

  • grandmamoses

    Divide and Conquer Strategy

    When a ‘house’ is not built on a firm foundation, it will crumble in the face of adversity. The enemy easily injects wolves among the sheep; resulting in insurmountable division.
    After two millennia, religious leaders, calling for some form of this body to reunite, expect harmonious results.
    “Can’t we all just get along?” But under which of those religious doctrines, now ?
    That seems to be the topic of debate among this generation of believers; while we cling to visual misconceptions – like St. Peter guarding pearly gates, holding virtual keys to heaven.

    According to Biblical prophecy, man’s attempt to globalize religion is actually provoked by the enemy, resulting in creation’s worst nightmare.
    After 2,000 years of compounded division; the time clock is set for evil to conquer the world.
    But …
    Proverbial ‘white robes’ can only be ‘washed’ ( distinguishing saints ) through perseverance of tribulation.
    God’s Kingdom is not based on unity of all creeds – but a remnant SET APART from the world. ( pagan nations )

    • dahcargo

      The apostle Paul sates (under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit) that divisions aren’t necessarily bad in the church, in fact 1Cor. 11:19 says: “For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.”

      Remember, we who are saved must enter through the narrow gate which leads to the narrow road which leads to eternal life with our creator.

      Almost two decades ago I was asked very pointedly by the elders of a church to ABSTAIN from speaking out against Mormonism, JW’s, Islam and every other false teaching. At that time I was very hurt because I thought I knew these men. I refused to be quiet and left that church to follow the path that God had for me. I was asked by several families in the church to pastor them afterwords and I did just that. I’ve never looked back and couldn’t care less about what people think about me. If I’m true to the scripture, I’m within God’s will and if He is for me, who can be against me?

      Andrew

      • shirleyanne12

        Yes… Yeshua says we must be BOLD in the FAITH.
        If we deny Him in front of men, He will DENY us in front of His Father.

    • stroncross

      Granny, I agree with much of what you write. But of the future of Israel and the establishment of His Kingdom on earth I must ask, “Have you read John 18:36 and considered what it teaches?”

      How do you interpret John 18:36, where Jesus told Pilate that his kingdom was not of this world.
      According to Lamsa’s translation of Aramaic of the Peshitta text the Greek and the English are correct. Who are we to follow, Jesus or some man’s interpretation?

      I would say that God’s Kingdom which is not of this world is not concerned with the remnant but with His Holy Scripture!
      Gera

      • grandmamoses

        36 In reply, Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach said, My Malchut is not of the Olam Hazeh. If my Malchut were of the Olam Hazeh, my mesharetim would have fought, that I should not be delivered to those of Yehudah; but now my Malchut is not from here.

        Who was in control of Jerusalem, that He was ‘delivered to’ ?
        Governors & Soldiers of the Roman Empire. Who was threatened by Him? Jewish Religious Leaders – not the people. Thousands of Hebrews worshipped Him as Messiah.
        The Kingdom of God is above powerful empires, and most certainly, above all forms of man-made religion.
        The Bride of Christ is described by John as the Holy City, and is named New Jerusalem .. not New York or New Rome.
        In this generation, a remnant is being gathered from the face of the earth where the first one was scattered. According to the Book of Revelations, they are the ones who keep God’s Statutes AND hold to the Testimony of Christ. Many will die from be-heading, under a political-religious system. As it looks now, this system will be comprised under a union of Islamic leaders and the Vatican.

    • Shirley Anne

      Grand ma Moses, Hebrew = Crossed over from paganism to Covenanted Israelite. Set-Apart = Holy , Sanctified ! Yahshua Ha’Mashiach is waiting for His remanant, ( Hebrew Roots ) to stand apart from the Tares (end-days) and He will return to separate the wheat from the tares which will burn in hell fire and brimstone. Not to be Harvested till the end, lest the wheat accidentally gets pulled up with the tares ! Shalom.

  • billo

    There are many points of theology that I cannot be silent on when false doctrine is presented. The key one today, within the “orthodox” church, especailly among Evangelicals and of course, a main part of Catholic theology, is PAUL’S GOSPEL (ROMANS 2:16)…..THE GOSPEL OF GRACE…SALVATION THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS CHRITST AND HIM CRUCIFIED PLUS NOTHING ELSE.

    When’s the last time you heard a sermon on Romans Ch 5 and imputed righteousness?

    The curses of the Council of Trent are still in effect against all of us who believe the true gospel.

    • grandmamoses

      Amen, Billo!
      God has used pagan nations throughout history to enforce His divine plan on earth. All the enemy’s efforts to impede His Kingdom, through
      global, false religions are used to expedite His purpose for creation.
      The Roman ‘church’ is based on wealth, power & deception, no matter
      how many battles are won under the guise of the ‘cross’

    • grandmamoses

      Organizing to counter evil conspiracies isn’t where mankind’s hope lies,
      but in the reestablishment of a Government of God.
      Even the final thousand years (Millennial Reign) of human-life-form on this planet will continue as spiritual “Boot Camp” while the enemy rests in darkness for the final show-down against the Creator.
      The purpose of creation is to designate an army of the worthy righteous, who are proven faithful through generations of wars & persecution.
      Without the element of evil .. there would be no obstacle course in which to train.
      Our real life & purpose will begin with the new heaven & earth.

      beep..beep..beep.. THIS IS ONLY A TEST ..beep..beep..beep

  • billo

    In other words…the real Gospel is “my gospel” (i.e. “Paul’s gospel, Romans 2:16). That is the gospel of grace and salvation in Jesus “By grace through faith…not of works.”

    The false gospel wants to place us under law. There is no salvation, deliverance, holiness, love or anything from law. Thge Trent Council denies faith alone in the gospel.

    All of the above come from Jesus and His cross. By faith ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • billo

    Ted and Walid: Since I ignited the Catholicism discussion on your web site I wanted to share the following with you:

    http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2013/06/23/cardinal-dolan-makes-first-visit-to-nyc-mosque-lies-to-himself-muslims/

    And a quote by Cardinal Dolan (or could this be Rick Warren…nah, Warren would not state this, methinks):

    “You love God, we love God and he is the same God,” the cardinal said of the Muslim and Roman Catholic faiths.

    May our Father bless you in Jesus’ Name!

    • naniam

      He’s just paraphrasing Barney.

  • stroncross

    billo, right on!!! If you study you will find that Allah was the Moon god of the pantheon of gods. The Moon god was not the God I AM creator of heaven and earth.
    gera

  • PrayerWarrior7

    Hi Whalid & Ted,

    I read this article with great interest because I keep asking myself, “Where is the Church today?” especially in the United States of America. By “Church” I mean all those, regardless of their denomination, who are willingly taking a stand for Christ regardless of the persecution that is coming, and are a willing standard-bearer of the Word of God.
    Unfortunately, 55% of all US Roman Catholics voted for Barack Hussein Obama to win the presidency in 2008. So did 45% of all US Protestants. A significant number of both denominations again voted for him in 2012.
    Meanwhile, many self-professed evangelicals or “Bible believing Christians” sat at home and did not even bother to vote, while virtually none of the self important prominent ministers who have regular television programs or radio shows publicly challenged the immoral platform that this man was presenting as “hope” and “change”.

    Where are the Billy Grahams and Peter Marshalls of today’s generation?

    It seems far too many people were more worried about their money and material wealth than the eroding morals within our society not to mention the attack the freedoms guaranteed to all Americans under the Constitution. Furthermore, the name, “Barack Hussein Obama” apparently failed to raise the hairs on the back of their necks. Why would the vast majority of the American people feel compelled to vote for a man (in 2008) whose very name is a clear reminder of the terrible nightmare which happened only seven years earlier against the crystal clear backdrop of a cool blue September morning?

    For many of the black race, voting for Obama was considered “an emotional experience”. Fair enough, given the often tempestuous and cruel history suffered by black Americans in the past. Until you realize that Satan is a master manipulator of human emotions. And it is through human emotions, which often cloud critical judgment and spiritual discernment, that the enemy of the souls of mankind has found a home in many self-professed Christian churches in America today.

    Thank God our Founding Fathers believed that Satan and the powers of Hell were as real as they are disastrous to the human soul. Thank God that all though none of them were perfect leaders, they realized that their own righteousness, bereft of the leading and guidance of the Holy Spirit, were like filthy rags before the throne of Almighty God.

    They knew that had it not been for the divine intervention and protection of Adonai Nissi, which in Hebrew means, “The Lord Our Banner” in the War for Independence, America would have never become a nation at all.

    The Continental Army was made up of a rag tag bunch of farmers and blacksmiths, and were far outnumbered by the disciplined troops of the mighty British Empire. Yet, they had what the Red Coats apparently did not have, a righteous leader and commander named General George Washington. He knew, first and foremost, that without the help of God, he and his army would be annihilated by the forces of the English king.
    George Washington turned to the King of kings and the Lord or lords, His Messiah Jesus Christ, imploring Him to intervene on behalf of the colonies struggling for independence. Like the biblical patriarchs Abraham, Issac, Jacob, and Moses, George knew and understood that true freedom for mankind can only come from God and from honoring and obeying Him.

    “And you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free.” John 8:32

    Now, 237 years after America became a nation, our liberty is in grave danger. And again, I must ask myself, “Where are all the Christians?

    Our nation was founded on the Holy Bible and the laws and commands of Israel’s God.
    From my own family history research I have learned that prior to the year 1860, in every town and village and even city neighborhood across America, all activities centered around the local Christian churches. It was the responsibility of the churches not only to record births, baptism, marriages, death, etc. but to feed the hungry and clothe and shelter the homeless. It was also the role of the church to hold accountable to their actions those elected to public office and to challenge openly immoral behavior on the part of government.

    We saw a brief reprise of how churches can pull together last year, after the devastation of Hurricane Sandy along the Jersey shore and in parts of New York. It was the speedy and organized mobilization of many area churches and quite a few from other states bringing hot food and clean water and blankets and providing temporary shelter for the desperate victims of the storm. We certainly did not see any immediate help coming from the government, both local or federal! What did see, amid all the suffering of his people effected by the storm, Mayor Bloomberg bringing generators into Central Park, not to help those without power, but still determine to host the scheduled New York Marathon, until pressure from the news media forced him to cancel his plans! He might have cancelled the race, but the greedy and selfish motivations of his heart were clearly exposed!

    I truly believe we are living in the time of the wheat and the tares. Furthermore, I believe God is using the abomination of “Chrislam” not only to expose Satan’s scheme to destroy as many human souls as possible, but also as a means to separate the true Bride of Messiah from the Harlot, or apostate church.

    Islam is an ancient evil rooted in Babylonian moon god worship. I believe that “Allah” might actually be one of the angels that fell with Satan when he was cast from heaven. Not only is there no real love or compassion or mercy found in him, but Allah’s demands that his followers commit both murder and suicide for the glory of his name bear all the prideful earmarks of his master.

    “He (Satan) was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a falsehood, he speaks what is natural to him, for he is a liar and the father of lies and all that is false.”
    John 8:44

    Although Islam is not mentioned by name in the Bible, the warrior-judge, Gideon, of ancient Israel slew the Midian princes Zebah and Zalmunna “and took the crescent-shaped ornaments that were on their camels’ necks.” Judges 8:21

    I have to ask, Where are the Gideons of this generation?

    Throughout world history, Satan has used the demonized hordes of moon-god worshipers to rape, murder, rob, and plunder many people and nations. Today, he is using Islam to deceive “the very elect” by blinding their minds to the pervasive spirit of evil masquerading behind the so-called, “religion of peace” while inviting adherents into the sanctuary of the Holy Spirit to offer up prayers to their demon god!

    “But the Holy Spirit distinctly and expressly declares that in the latter times some will turn away from the faith, giving attention to deluding and seducing spirits and doctrines that demons teach.”
    1 Timothy 4:1

    However, as “organized” Christianity seems to be crashing and burning, especially in America and the traditionally Christian West, God is calling forth individual men and women from every nation, especially in those areas where the message of the gospel has been forbidden, often under the persistent threat of torture and death, to rise up and take a stand for Christ. Through the leading and the power of the Holy Spirit, these men and women are bringing the love and mercy and forgiveness of Christ to those trapped beneath the mantle of satanic darkness called Islam.

    For example, last summer I attended a concert of Messianic praise and worship singer, Paul Wilbur,(he is a Jewish believer in Messiah) who told the audience that the year before he had been asked to perform in a Middle Eastern nation, I believe it was in Kuwait. He was told that in order to have the concert there a government official and a Muslim cleric would have to be in attendance to monitor what songs could be sung, etc. On the night of the concert, neither man showed up for the performance. But 1300 Muslims gave their life to Christ that night!
    A Messianic Jew used as an instrument of God to bring people to Christ in an Islamic nation! A perfect example of how God loves to use the ordinary to do the extraordinary!

    Paul Wilbur’s incredible testimony gives me hope that although things appear to be hopeless and heading in the wrong direction in these perilous days we are living in, God is still very much in control of everything and His divine plan is coming forth for the world, despite the compromise of organized Christianity with the wickedness of this lost and fallen world. God sees the heart. And, He already knows who is standing with Him and who, unfortunately, is not.

  • StephenD

    As the ‘damned’ Catholic who first brought the battles of Lepanto and Vienna to your attention some time ago, I am gratified at this recognition of Catholicism’s role in beating back the attempted invasions of Europe by Islamic forces. In case you were unaware, the current Pope’s first canonisation ceremony involved that of 800 citizens of Otranto in southern Italy who were beheaded in 1480 for refusing to convert to Islam. It is said that the beheaded body of the leader of these martyrs and the first one to die, Antonio Primaldo, stood until all the executions were complete causing his executioner to convert to Christianity.
    You might also not know that although a third of a million black slaves were shipped to the US, one million Christians from France, Spain, Ireland, England and Iceland (mostly but not exclusively Catholic) were captured in their seaside home towns by Arab slavers and taken to North Africa to be sold, these incursions continued until the middle 1800′s when the US navy led the effort to stop the slavers.

    • Winston

      There was nothing holy about these wars. It was to advance the Vatican’s temporal power on earth, which is not what Jesus was about. The catholic church is the antithesis of Jesus.

      • Mary2333

        That is an ignorant statement. The Crusades were defensive wars against Islamic conquest. We needed a Crusade in Darfur, but then that would have been declared as “advancing the Vatican.” When they finally come for you, and we are in a time of global jihad, don’t whine that there is no one to help you.

        • Winston

          Madam, I believe your statement is not entirely true and may require some additional research.

          • Mary2333

            Sir, because you do not like the truth does not make it untrue.

          • Winston

            Madam, it appears that the truth has evaded you. Sometimes it can be hard to find.

          • shirleyanne12

            Truth has EVADED You, my friend…

            Gold has to Go through FIRE, to become the Gold that we see!

            Pearls are Found in the Bottom of the Ocean, in a Shell !!
            Proverbs 2:2-5

            King James Version (KJV)

            2 So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding;

            3 Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding;

            4 If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures;

            5 Then shalt thou understand the fear of the Lord, and find the knowledge of God.

          • Mary2333

            The Bible, which the Catholic church compiled in the second council of bishops (successors to the Apostles) in the Third Century and which Catholic Monks preserved for centuries before the printing press… Then which King James revised to be merely poetic when he declared himself head of the church in place of the successor to Peter (the Pope).

            Ignorance abounds.

          • Mary2333

            Sir, the truth is not what a hateful mind wants it to be. History can be perverted, you have to go to the sources. You obviously do not have an understanding of the teachings of Islam (which require conquest and subjugation of non-Muslims, as well as sanctioning the abuse, plunder, rape and murder of non-Muslims). Nor do you have an understanding of Catholic dogma, which includes the Bible and what the Bible calls the “traditions” passed down by the Apostles (called the Apostolic Tradition by the Catholic church).

          • Tony Capo

            In the past 1400 years Muslims have murderd 270 million, jews, christians, buddist, hindus etc in the name of peace. get a clue.

          • Tony Capo

            its ridiculous to compare the FEW battles that the west waged in defense to the 270 MILLION people killed by Islam in the past 1400 years.

      • Joseph Francis Whipple

        Actually, is was the Muslims who first invaded the Byzantines and those wars went on for quite a while before the Byzantines called to Rome for help, which the Pope gave. So really, the Crusades were Europeans and Christians helping their eastern brothers in their fight against the bloodthirsty Muslims, not the Vatican expanding its earthly powers.

        And Jesus founded the Catholic Church, which has kept all of His precepts, unlike the protestants, so it is hardly His antithesis.

        • Apolloone

          Wow I believe you are scriptural bankrupt, unreal.

          • Winston

            He is. Jesus’ church were his saints, his followers. The Catholic Church is an abomination. I know. I grew up in it and have formally had myself excommunicated from her heresy and blasphemy. I choose not to follow any particular denomination as I am just a devout Christian who lives as well as I can considering I’m human to biblical teaching. The freedom to love the Lord since I divested from the Catholic Church is unexplainable. I didn’t make this decision hastily either. I spent 20 years doing research, historical and biblical, before I made the formal request for separation with the Roman Catholic Church. I know I did the right thing.

          • shirleyanne12

            O HOW THESE SHEOPLE ARE FOOLED!!!
            STRONG DELUSION, BROTHER…
            TIME TO PRAY FOR THEM!!!!

          • Winston

            Shirleyannne12, I pray every day for them, as well as some in my own family who are scared to part from the Catholic Church because they believe the lie that they will go to hell. The truth of the matter is until they do part, hell is a strong likelihood, I fear. You have no idea how many times I wished I had been wrong. This is a monumental discovery when you become aware but people have believed the lie for so long and never do their own research as the Vatican makes them believe they can’t understand the Bible. We have to keep praying to make an impact on so many. Time is short, I think.

        • Winston

          Show me in the Bible where it says that Jesus founded the Catholic Church. He didn’t. I was born Catholic, went to Catholic school. I learned the untruths they spewed. Apparently, you have not read the Bible or don’t understand it. You had better do some more research instead of reading the propaganda issued by the Vatican.

          • shoebat

            Yes, but than show us where did Jesus found the Protestant Church? Better yet, show us how Jesus’s prophecy was fulfilled from 1st century to the 16th? What Church movements did Jesus “build”? Remember, He said “I will build my church …” I have been asking the question for decades. Perhaps you can answer it?

          • Glen

            I’ll take a shot at this. May God work in our hearts to find the truth. Amen

            After the Lord’s ministry on earth, after his death on the cross, after rising from the grave, after his ascension in to heaven, and after the stoning of Steven (some say this was Israel’s final rejection of the Lord), about 10 years later,
            the Lord called Saul.

            I have four questions I want task you in this missive. The first – do you believe the letters Paul wrote are the inerrant word of God?

            Paul tells us he was given the gospel by revelation of Jesus Christ (Gal 1:11, 12). 14 years later, Paul had a meeting with the 12 in Jerusalem, and they all agreed on the following:

            Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the
            uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

            Gal 2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)

            My second question – if there are two gospels in verse 7, why was Peter given the gospel of the circumcision and made apostle of the circumcision, and why was Paul given the gospel of the uncircumcision and made apostle of the uncircumcision?

            My third question – if there is only one gospel in verse 7, why was Peter sent to the circumcision and why was Paul sent to the uncircumcision?

            My fourth and last question – Is the Catholic Churh of the circumcision or are they of the uncircumcision?

          • Average Dude

            One last thing, this is what you’re looking for…

            Ephesians 2:19-22

            19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

            20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

            21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

            22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

          • Average Dude

            Mr Shoebat,

            I, by the magic of Youtube, happened upon some videos in which you shed some light on Biblical prophecy. It’s interesting, to say the least. I don’t know if it’s exactly true, but it certainly fits with what’s happening in our day. I also don’t claim to be a “prophecy expert”. I was troubled to find out you’re a catholic, as anyone with two thumbs and a moderate understanding of the English language can see their beliefs are almost further from the Bible than islam. I don’t even go to church and even I know that. I won’t argue with anyone here, and probably won’t be back to check to see if anyone responds to this. I would just like to encourage you to keep studying the Bible, as it’s infinite and will never fully be understood. I would also like to encourage you to keep talking about Bible prophecy, as you may be on to something.

            In closing, I also included passages from the Bible that discredit about 90% of what Catholics teach. Feel free not to take these out of context, and read the whole passage, as it will shed more light on the whole Bible, not just the prophetic parts…

            The qualifier- 2 Timothy 3:16-17 “All scripture is given by inspiration of God,…”
            The big stuff- Exodus 20 “You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me…”
            Problems with good works- Isaiah 64:6 “…all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags…”

            Also- Ephesians 2:8-9 “For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves…”
            Also- The entire book of Galatians….literally the entire book.
            Mother/son worship was present with the very first pagan religion on Earth, and is a constant in almost all pagan religions
            Mary wasn’t perfect, or even close- Romans 3:23 “For ALL have sinned…” Not all but mary, just all…

            I haven’t been to church since I was a child, and this is just off the top of my head, I’m sure I could think of countless more…If a backsliding Christian can think of this many, a true Bible scholar could think of a lot more. While you’re not busy studying prophecy, you may want to give the New Testament a once-over, it’s full of stuff that catholics don’t believe.

          • shirleyanne12

            So what do you understand of this scripture, Ted?

            Revelation 21:12

            King James Version (KJV)

            12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

            Yeshua said, Go Make Disciples of Nations.
            He Did NOT Say, Go Make DENOMINATIONS!!!

      • Apolloone

        God is clear in His analogy of what a whorish church is, as in comparing a whorish woman committing adultery, she has to be married to a certain man and commits a sexual act with a man who Is Not her husband, likewise this Spiritual Whore as committed fornication which had to have at one time belong to God. Islam Cannot be a spiritual whore, since she never belonged to God. So then how can Islam be the Great Whore of Revelation?

    • Goten Son

      Christianity = Illuminati = Antichrist

      • Winston

        Not Christianity, moron. The Catholic Church has come to embrace these temporal, Luciferian ideals as they struggle to relinquish temporal power and money. You had better keep reading or you’re reading the wrong stuff.

  • hypocrite unmasked

    “Name me the organization that rescues Christians today?”

    All right: The Voice of the Martyrs http://www.Persecution.com

    Here’s another: International Christian Concern (ICC) http://www.Persecution.org.

  • PrayerWarrior7

    “You might also not know that although a third of a million black slaves were shipped to the US, one million Christians from France, Spain, Ireland, England and Iceland (mostly but not exclusively Catholic) were captured in their seaside home towns by Arab slavers and taken to North Africa to be sold, these incursions continued until the middle 1800′s when the US navy led the effort to stop the slavers.” – Steven D.

    This is the truth! However, since liberal revisionist historians have distorted the facts, many people have been mislead to believe that slavery was an evil institution employed only by members of the white or Caucasian race.
    The Arab Muslim Corsairs, better known as the Barbary Coast pirates, were known as the merciless and marauders of the high seas and a scuttle with their ships was something even the infamous Irish pirate queen Grace O’Malley avoided whenever possible. The Corsairs often cruised in waters off the Irish coast and captured white slaves as far north as Norway.
    It was only after US Secretary of War and later President Thomas Jefferson decided that America would not pay one more red cent in ransom money to these evil cutthroat slavers who were attacking our merchant ships in the Mediterranean, and the United States Marines was formed one night in a Philadelphia tavern, that the gruesome exploits of the Corsairs was finally put out of commission for good and safe travel was restored to the region.
    Furthermore, in another story concerning the Roman Catholic Church and the rescue of slaves, did you know that the famous American Indian Squanto, who became a friend and a guide to the early colonists, was taken captive aboard ship to Europe where he learned to speak English? In the year 1605, he and four other Indians were taken aboard the ship of Captain George Weymouth, who was exploring the New England coast at the behest of a Spanish nobleman named Sir Ferdinando Gorges. Squanto was in England for nine years, and during that time he met Captain John Smith who promised to take him and the rest of the captured members of the Paxtuxet Indian tribe back to America. Smith made good on his promise, returning Squanto and the other Indians back to America, however, not too long after this, he was lured back on Smith’s ship by Captain Thomas Hunt, who had been left in charge after Smith went to lead a party of explorers. Hunt had lured the Indians to come on board under the pretext of trading with them, but once they boarded he slapped them all in irons and set out for the notorious slave-trading port of Malaga on the Mediterranean coast of Spain. Many of Hunt’s Indian captives were bought by Arab slave traders and sent off to North Africa. However, during the auction, a group of Catholic monks heard what was going on and raced to the rescue. They bought the rest of the captive Indians, including Squanto and took them back to the monastery with them to teach them about the Christian faith. Squanto later left the monastery and was able to board an English ship which took him back to America, six months before the arrival of the Pilgrims at Plymouth Rock!
    If it had not been for those merciful Catholic monks, the history of early America would have been a very different story.

  • O. Felix Culpa

    “Name me the organization that rescues Christians today? There are NONE.”

    What about « Aid to the Church in Need » http://www.churchinneed.org

  • grandmamoses

    Response to Felix: The Church in Need Organization
    Renovating & enlarging buildings – supporting Catholic Seminaries
    doesn’t exactly fall under the category of “rescuing persecuted believers”
    … people who lay down their lives for His Namesake.

    I find it interesting that some ‘drum beaters’ of the church, who have forever posted articles in social media, about standing up to be heard,
    have fallen strangely silent when they see the growing number of their counterparts under religious persecution.
    These are trying times for a reason – to make a distinction between sheep & goats – those who offer lip service, and the ones who are true servants.

  • grandmamoses

    With tongues detached from a servant’s heart,
    we give God an inch of servitude,
    expecting from Him, miles of blessing.

  • sumsrent

    May I make a suggestion?

    I recommended that Infowars [who protects satanic Islam] place the newest comments on top a few years ago… it has done well in keeping the comments flowing. And they hadn’t changed ever since.

  • staffsgt7

    Thank you. I am a Catholic who reads and listens to you often. I believe you are leading us in the correct direction. I am a Catholic because of the Sacraments. I have some problems on their catechism concerning islam. In fact I HAVE A REALLY BIG!!! PROBLEM with it! And have tried to write to many and I have noticed that on EWTN, some are admitting the truth about islam. I don’t know if it was because of my writing to them, or what, but I am glad that at least our own (some of them) are admitting what islam is about.

    The catechism that is a problem (#841), to me, is only an admittance by our clergy, at the highest levels, that they chose to remain ignorant about islam and will take the word of a moslem waging JBTW (jihad by the word) instead of cracking open islamic texts and reading it for themselves. BTW, I have asked many to find an Arabic/English speaking and writing Catholic and translate it for themselves if they do not believe me. I cannot believe that with all the Catholics they do not have one that can do that OR take another Christian and do the same – if they do not believe me. But, I have yet to see that being done yet. It would be helpful to have a few of our Bishops who are ok with bashing their own and defending islam to read those translations. I am ashamed of some of our own but I guess I should not expect differently considering that this has been going on for centuries (per Bat Ye’or’s book: The Decline of Eastern Christianity under Islam: From Jihad to Dhimmitude)

    Thanks again.

    • billo

      Brother ..gt7: I am an ex Catholic. I think I understand the fact that according to the Catechism you are sinning by not believing and actually denying waht the Magesterium teaches through the Catechism.

      That is one of the many reasons I am no longer a Catholic.

      The Shoebats excoriate and condemn Protestants, Mormons and apostates among Evangelicals or anybody who is in any way complicit with or conciliatory with Islam, but give a total pass to those in the RCC who do the exact same thing.

      Even worse, the RCC demands that we believe THEIR LIES AND ERRORS ABOUT ISLAM AND SAYS WE ARE SINNING IF WE REJECT THEIR APOSTACY.

      Sola Scriptura

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  • Clementia

    You ask why no Protestant states helped the Catholics in their crusades against the Muslims? At the time of most of the crusades, there were no Protestant states. The world was divided into Catholic and pagan, with a few weird heretic cults thrown in for good measure. I believe God used the Catholics to save Christendom because there was no one else to use — just like He used Cyrus to return the Jews to Jerusalem after the captivity.

    For the record, I am non-Catholic — but I still don’t believe all Catholics are damned.

    • grandmamoses

      Good point, Clementia.
      Religious labels don’t define the heart. There will be none in the Millennial Kingdom – no confusion
      regarding G*d’s Ways.

      And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem
      shall make aliyah from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. [ Sukkot - God With Us ]
      And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts; on them there will be no rain. If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the Lord strikes the nations who do not make aliyah to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. Zechariah 14:16-18

    • xenia7

      “God used the Catholics to save Christendom” ? you seem to be forgetting the Eastern Christian Orthodox Church. And I have to break the news to you, no the world was not divided into catholics and pagans. All the Orthodox Christian countries, Greece, Romania, Serbia, Russia etc etc, were fighting against islam before the catholics even knew about them. Most of you in here leave out Orthodox Christians when you write. Are you that ignorant?? Orthodox Christians have suffered the most at the hands of islamists, and the Orthodox Christians in asia still do.

    • xenia7

      “God used the Catholics to save Christendom” ? you seem to be forgetting the Eastern Christian Orthodox Church. And I have to break the news to you, no the world was not divided into catholics and pagans. All the Orthodox Christian countries, Greece, Romania, Serbia, Russia etc etc, were fighting against islam before the catholics even knew about them. Most of you in here leave out Orthodox Christians when you write. Are you that ignorant?? Orthodox Christians have suffered the most at the hands of islamists, and the Orthodox Christians in asia still do.

      • Paul

        The Orthodox Church is schismatic, it left the fold in the year 1000

        • xenia7

          Who is really schismatic is open to interpretation. Believing that Jesus Christ is not the same essence as the Father is wrong.

  • AbuShy

    ” Name me the organization that rescues Christians today?”

    Dear Walid,

    don’t forget the word to Elijah: I have reserved to Myself 7000 men…

    Voice of the Martyrs immediately comes to mind. Believe it or not, the 700 Club (Christian Broadcasting Network) has been doing work like you do since at least the early 1990s when they were sending in people to buy back the black Nubian slaves of Central South Sudan from the clutches of Khartoum and the same Islamists that today support Obama’s half brother. The South Sudan is here as a separate nation largely on the work of Pat Robertson and people like Gary Lane who put their lives and reputations literally on the line. Talk about deliverance ministry! Another specific group that came out of that encounter is called The Persecution Project.

    Maybe one of the reasons you don’t get much help from people like Franklin Graham is that he does the same kind of thing you do except all over the world with his group called Samaritan’s Purse. Realize that not everyone is called to flee the land of their birth. Many stay and gut it out and don’t come to America. By the way, has anyone ever come up to you, stuck out their hand and vigorously given it a genuine shaking—and then said, “Welcome to America!” ? Well, I just have. Good to have you on board. (;~))

    Day Spring, like your more focused work in hellholes like Pakistan does their work nearby in India. Not among only Muslims though. Among only the Dalits. The discriminated lowest Caste people among the Hindus.

    I could go on and on. I think you get my point. You’re not alone. Don’t complain. No temptation has overtaken you but that it is as everyone of us must. Don’t forget: your efforts are not in vain in YHVH. Have a nice day!

  • larivere

    Well…As a former Catholic and being in the Evangelical/Pentecostal circles for 30 years or so… I could not agree with you more. Perhaps I would not be as provocative as you in the narrative… but I am thankful for my Catholic upbringing and have great respect for my “born-again” Catholic friends who lead me to Christ… and all my Catholic family who have been faithful for generations; and who continue to exhibit a respect for the people of God and the Things of God.
    I even like this Pope! (now you know I have come along way and have grown in grace… as us ex-catholics have a tendency to be like “ex-smokers”… at least for a while!

    No, thank God for the damned stubborn Catholics who will not change their theology and remain true to their moral compass.

    However, for the life of me, I cannot understand how any true Catholic can call themselves a “good Catholic” and a Democrat. In my view… that is a non-starter. Yeah, right… you can call yourself a Christian or a Catholic and still think it is OK to rip children from their Mother’s womb for “convenience”… me-sa don’t think so!

  • masteele7

    I think you’re right about the antichrist Walid, but the Catholic church misleads people doctrinally. I have often wondered just where they stand with God. Would they be included in the seven churches of Revelation, and if so which one? I think they mostly resemble Laodicea. I was Catholic, and became a Baptist. I never would have understood salvation in the Catholic church, and I don’t see how a Christian could grow in Christ in that church, although I do think many of them are unknowingly born again. I love your teaching. God bless!

    Mark

    • xenia7

      maybe, since you didn’t like being catholic, you should also approach a Christian Orthodox priest, because -although of course non-Orthodox will not admit it- the Orthodox church has kept the original Christian doctrine for centuries, i.e. that Christ is the same, is of the same essence, as the Father and the Holy Spirit. For more information one should discuss with a priest, as I’m not theologically qualified to answer more complicated questions.

    • pretap

      masteele7,
      While I do understand where Mr. Walid is coming from, I ask myself just how closely he’s delved into the machinations of the Catholic Church, especially the one presented ‘today’? I’m not saying they haven’t helped people in times of crisis, but so have other denominations, when I look at those who are “coming out of her and the stories they’ve given while in the church”, it really makes me wonder if we’re talking about two ‘different’ kinds of Catholicism? Helping is one thing but where in the Bible does it say we should “bow down before idols, venerate Mary as the Queen of Heaven, truly believe that Jesus’ body inhabits the wafer, pray to dead saints, priests, etc. in glass coffins”?? How is any of this helping the cause of Yeshua-Jesus??? If there’s one important thing I’ve learned in ‘this world’, while it is right to do right, if the right that you’re doing isn’t by God’s standard of rightness (no such word I know), then it’s all for naught because there’s usually selfish motives behind it. Praying for Catholics, JW’s, etc.

      • http://www.facebook.com/dennis.sinclair.16 Dennis Sinclair

        Catholics do not bow down before Mary. Your lack of first hand knowledge is hindering your ability to respond intelligently. Repeating what others have said is easy. Read more. Question some good knowledgeable Catholics about the Church. You may learn a lot and come to appreciate it more.
        I remember talking with a protestant minister. In the course of the conversdation he explained that the man who founded their church had died. I asked “Who was that?” He explained how John so-and-so didn’t like any of the other protestant churches in town so he and some friends sat down in his living room and choose what they were going to believe because they “felt” their ideas were better so their church would be better. Th eminister didn’t know if the church could continue holding to the same beliefs after the death of “the founder” because some people wanted to change things.
        So we have a group of people picking and choosing what thye want to beleive. While the Catholic Church has 2,000 years of tradition and a command from Christ: You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my church. The Bad Catholics Guide to the Catechism as well as the Catechism of the Catholic Church are good for starts.
        In the CCC you’ll find enough info to refute much of the non-Catholic ignorance expressed here.

        • laughterjones

          Always find it interesting from Catholics that we need to read material outside of the teachings of Jesus in order to find The Way. In all my years of educated, meditation in the word have I ever found the words: Catholic, Pope, Catechism, etc.
          My suggestion to you is to open the Bible and see what Jesus talks about tradition, and religious institutions. The Bible is not only “good for starts” but it’s the last too.

      • Paul

        You unfortunately have only read anti-Catholic material. Just to touch quickly on what you said, an idol is something that replaces God, our statues do not replace God, Mary was given to the Church as It’s mother, when Jesus said from the cross,” Woman behold thy son and to St John, son behold thy mother”. St john represented the Church at the foot of the cross. Jesus gave His mother to be our mother. We are also commanded to honor our father and mother. If you read about history, even as the Jews understood, the mother of the King was the Queen. St Paul in his writings very clearly states that the bread we consume is his body, real food. Jesus also said you must eat my body and drink my blood or you have no life in you. Because many could not accept this teaching at face value they refused to believe and walked away. Jesus did not call them back and tell them they misunderstood, NO, in fact He asked the apostles if they wanted to leave too. To clear up your misunderstanding, Jesus does not “inhabit the wafer”, the bread BECOMES hIS BODY AND THE WINE BECOMES HIS BLOOD. He said what He meant and meant what He said. If you believe Jesus when He said if you believe you will never die, then you would have to admit that those who die in Christ are still alive in heaven. We ask for their intercession, while we are still on our journey. Those in heaven cannot pray against the will of God on our behalf, so I would prefer their prayers over those on earth who can pray against the will of God, though I ask both groups to intercede for me. Those in “glass coffins” is a testimony to the individuals life. The times that a person’s life reached a state of such holiness or virtue, God at times shows His power and acceptance of these human beings by preserving the bodies even after death, that is He keeps them from decaying. This is a miracle on display. How does this help the cause of Jesus? When you honor those who imitated Jesus it honors Him, when we honor His mother it does nothing but please and honor Him, When we believe Jesus’ word without fully understanding it, simply because He said it, how does this not bring Him honor and glory? When we show our appreciation to His miracles, whether in the “glass coffins, or in The Blessed Sacrament, (Him present in the form of Bread and Wine), how does this not help His cause. What doesn’t help His cause is someone not recognizing Him or His works.

        • JudasTheHammer

          Thanks for the great response. There is a lot of ignorance going on here.

  • xenia7

    It is so obvious to see that certain people in here are severely disoriented religion-wise, and they really have a problem with Greeks and the Eastern Orthodox. It’s no surprise given that a certain nation, which never accepted Jesus Christ, has always be the sworn enemy of Greece. How completely ignorant and naive to say that the Lord never preached in Greek. He blessed his disciples during the Pentecost so that they would be able to preach the Gospel in all languages. Had Alexander the Great not conquered most of Asia in his time, had Greek not spread as a language to most parts of it, the Gospel would have never reached those nations. God used a conqueror as his instrument so that it would later be feasible to spread His word. It was God’s will for the Gospel to be translated into Greek and received by the different nations. The mere existence of Greece, which has given a disproportionately large amount of blood, battles and martyrs and saints to guard the Christian religion, bothers a specific nation, which has always worked secretely behind the scenes to bring Greece to a downfall anyway they can. You can talk all you want against Greece, not everyone is deceived by your lies.

  • grandmamoses

    Sheese … just reviewed this whole long discussion & debate.
    I guess nothing leads to truth like humans trying to prove each other wrong,,, huh, Walid ? lol

    Thank G*d that His Kingdom on earth won’t tolerate any conflicting religious groups.
    That will be a sweeeet thousand years.

    • pretap

      grandmamoses,
      “I guess nothing leads to truth like humans trying to prove each other wrong,,,huh, Walid?
      Don’t know about ‘you or Mr. Walid’ but I don’t have to prove anyone wrong, the Scriptures can do that if they aren’t going by “God’s Word and way”. I pray for ALL to come to the knowledge of the Lord, each and every day and leave the rest up to God.

  • keleee

    I really enjoyed this piece as a Catholic living in a world of Evangelicals and others that like to fight with me about my beliefs. I refuse to argue with them and that makes them angry but they stop. The one thing you will never hear in a Catholic church is anyone bad mouthing anothers faith. This isn’t what Jesus wants us to do. I find that by living my faith I have brought more people into it then with the hard sell. It is very hard to be as good as Jesus was but he is the yard stick I choose to try and live up to. I will never be anywhere near his perfection but I can try to be a better person each day. Church is important to me because that is where I hear his words over and over until they become the way. I do have a couple of friends that attend a different faith that respect me and I respect their faith. It is important to look for the similarities instead of the differences. With some people this is impossible. My Grandmother always told me that the Middle East has been at war since the beginning of time and will be until the end of time, so “Let the whirling dirvishes whirl”! In other words stay out of it because we can’t change it. I pray that our country stops trying to be PC and just calls it like it is. Otherwise we are just lying to ourselves that we can change them to be like us. It hasn’t worked out very well so far and I pray that soon we will all stand together for what is right and no longer tolerate the lies the media tells us. My father used to say, “Always question authority, It is the only thing that will keep us from another Hitler”. How true his words are to me now.

    • jackrussell

      It isn’t hard to live as Jesus. Its impossible. For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God. And, ‘the wages of sin is death’. We can ONLY earn eternal death. No part of how good you live rises above the scripture that says, ‘your righteousness is as filthy rags’ or what you try to do for God is about as useful as used menstrual garments. Only purely entrusting your purity to the GRACE of God, purchased through the shed blood of Christ washes and keeps you. If you have any part of your hope in any act or acts that you do for God, you are rejecting His salvation as a pure gift provided through the blood sacrifice, exactly as illustrated in the Old Testament by the slaughter of the lamb.

    • Winston

      That’s right. The Catholic Church only tortured and killed in the most heinous ways possible who did not accept its teachings, which are blasphemous and heretical. How do people live all their lives and not know the history of this vile institution? After Constantine, this church took a nosedive into power, riches and materialism and are lead by Lucifer.

      • Tony Capo

        Amen, Read Foxes book of Martyrs and tell me Christ abides in that wicked catholic pedophile whore house.

    • Tony Capo

      Priests Rape Boys.

  • billo

    To Keelee: Your comments are so erronious they are comical Keelee.

    First, you state you will never hear Catholics bad mouthing other faiths? You have to be kidding. Turn on EWTN any day of the week and watch the program “The Journey Home.” It is specifically designed to “bad mouth” Protestantism. And Marcus the host does that and more each and every day.

    Secondly, all Protestants are under the curse of the RCC according to the Council of Trent. We are cursed according to the Council of Trent due to our belief that salvation is by grace through faith alone. We are cursed according to Trent because we believe that good works are the fruit of salvation and not part of the means of salvation.

    We are also cursed according to the RCC and its current Catechism because we do not accept the supremecy and the self described sole legitimacy of the Roman Catholic Church.

    According to the RCC’s current Catechism unbelieving Muslims, Rabbinic Jews and others can be saved through their good works, but Protestants who know the the RCC’s claim to supremecy and yet still reject the authority of the RCC, even though they believe in Jesus and the efficacy of His death of the cross, cannot be saved.

    I do not know of one Protestant who has ever stated that you must beling to their ecclieastical organization in order to be saved. We rightly state that we mus all believe in Jesus and His Blood that was shed n the cross. That, plus NOTHING ELSE!

    The RCC teaches that only the RCC is the true Church and all of its teachings must be followed.

    • grandmamoses

      You Speak Truth, Billo. … THANKS.
      Geeze … the Catholics in my family tell me regularly that I’m going straight to hell for being outside the true church. They already have their “Judge” robes on.

      • texasjo

        There are many misinformed Catholics. I was blessed to have studies in a convent school, where I learned the truth. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged…just tell them that. We are judged upon what we KNOW, and what we have been taught may not have been right. However, generally there is a little feeling inside a person’s heart that tells right from wrong.

        • Azygos

          Jeremiah 17:9 (KJV)
          9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

        • http://codephined.com/ codephined

          You’re mistaken. There is no salvation outside of the Church. We can objectively know this. Just like we can objectively know that a practicing homosexual will not see the gates of heaven. How can we know the fruits of something if we do not make an objective judgement?

          Subjectively, we cannot make the decision on whether or not one is going to hell or heaven.

          • texasjo

            Did the Good Thief belong to the Church? Have you heard of “Baptism by Desire?” It means, as the recent Pope said, if you are good, and your heart desires to go to heaven it will. Not everyone has the chance to join the Church. St. Augustine says “our hearts are restless until they rest in Thee.” We have a natural inclination for Jesus/God, and if we listen and respond we are saved.

          • shirleyanne12

            Matthew 7:21-23

            King James Version (KJV)

            21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that DOETH the WILL of my Father which is in heaven.

            22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

            23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: DEPART FRO ME, ye that work iniquity.

            1 John 2:3-4

            King James Version (KJV)

            3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we KEEP His COMMANDMENTS.

            4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth NOT his commandments, is a LIAR, and the TRUTH is NOT in him.

            READ YOUR BIBLE… DON’T LET YOUR EARS BE TICKLED BY ILL PAPA!!!

          • texasjo

            God/Jesus will decide…
            Those you do not think are doing what you say is willed by God, may be doing his will. God is our Creator and loves us, His children. Jesus came to show us the Way. Many have never been taught but by going by their conscience do good. The word “good,” came from “God,” we are not to judge. He decides who works iniquity or who follows the most important of commandments: Love God above all and Love your neighbor as yourself. You need a good learned “interpreter” for those bible verses, not just what you or any individual thinks, that’s the wrong of the Protestants.

          • shirleyanne12

            YOUR PROBLEM IS THAT YOU’RE LOOKING FOR A MAN TO INTERPRET FOR YOU!!

            WHY DON’T YOU READ THE BIBLE FOR YOURSELF, IF NEEDS BE, READ IT IN YOUR OWN LANGUAGE?????

            MY MOTHER-TONGUE IS ENGLISH..

            AND I HAVE THE RUACH, THE SPIRIT OF YAHWEH, TO TEST ALL THE SPIRITS!!

            1 John 4:1

            King James Version (KJV)

            4 Beloved, Believe NOT every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because MANY FALSE PROPHETS are gone

            out into the World.

          • texasjo

            I’ve had many years of religious study from masters. Look to the beginning and how the bible was written. It was written by The Followers of the Way, which were later called “Catholics,” or “Universal” by Ignatius. I’ve been to many churches, bible studies, in a convent school, in temples, in Buddha’s prayer places, and traveled most of the world. Even Martin Luther said the bible must be interpreted by those who have studied it, or even a milk maid will have her own version. People such as Scott Hahn, who was Protestant, and the brightest Cardinal Newman who was Episcopal.

          • shirleyanne12

            There are NO Denominations mentioned in Scripture.. Please Do NOT Add nor Delete from the Book….
            Revelation 22:18-19

            King James Version (KJV)

            18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

            19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

            Deuteronomy 4:2

            King James Version (KJV)

            2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

          • texasjo

            I’m afraid you do not realize how the bible got written. It goes back to Jerome. The verses to compile the bible were picked out and put together. There was just one Christian faith at the beginning, and it was what we now call Catholic. Please read about how the bible came about. And, study it from the right sources, not what you’ve been told, which is an error.

          • shirleyanne12

            Jerome Did NOT Write the Bible..
            Yahweh IS the AUTHOR… PERIOD …..
            Just Like Moses, who Did NOT, RESCUE the Israelites….
            GOD WAS THE PILLAR OF CLOUD BY DAY, & THE PILLAR
            OF FIRE BY NIGHT…
            IT WAS GOD, HIMSELF, WHO LED THEM..
            (Moses was the Herder, who Herded / encouraged the Sheep along!!)
            The Apostle John was ONLY the REVELATOR…
            IT WAS YESHUA’S REVELATION!!
            So STOP quoting, EXTRA BIBLICAL CHARACTERS!!

          • texasjo

            I can tell you are not going to let the facts interfere with your beliefs of how the bible was constructed. God did write the Ten Commandments, but inspired men wrote the bible. I dare you to read the history of the bible from various sources. The bible is a group of selected writings by a Council. You don’t see the Gospel of Thomas, or those other because they were from the gnostic. They buried their writings and were found not that long ago, because there was a reform going on. Too many people were getting away from the real Christianity. Please get informed, or you will be considered a bigot. That’s a person will not change their mind even when presented with evidence of another truth. I’m not quoting any extra characters. Say, are you one of those J. Witness’ who aren’t allowed to read the truth? Go to the library, see that the world isn’t flat.

          • shirleyanne12

            NO… Heaven FORBID… JW’s….. ABSOLUTELY NOT…

            I am a Torah Observant Believer in Yeshua HaMashiach…

            O, Yisrael Shema… GUARD and KEEP my Words….

            I’m astonished you did NOT pick up on this, with my verbiage.

            (Kind of slow, on the Uptake, Eh ???)

            We go through Torah, every week. And @ the end of the year… REPEAT, perfects the Memory.

            We GO Back to the Beginning.. There is SOOOO Much Depth to this book..

            Like an Onion, SEVERAL LAYERS!!!

            We have the Pictographic Paleo Hebrew…

            Like YHVH.. In the Greek this is the Tetragrammaton, of what they call, LORD.

            The Y = Yod is pictographic of the HAND!

            the He = H is pictographic of Man! (pronounced, hay)

            the V = VAV is pictographic of the Nail !

            So, in synthesis, it is ”Behold ! the Hand that was Pierced!

            Then we have the Gematria, the Numerical Value of the alefbet… Each of the 22 Alefbets have been ascribed a numerical value…

            Yod = 10.
            He = 5.
            Vav = 6
            So, 10 + 5 + 6 + 5 = 26.
            This Equates to Yeshua, the Mashiach.
            I hope this helps!
            Shalom aleichem.

          • texasjo

            I am not slow on any uptake, believe it or not. I do not know your so called “religion.” I did study about the bible and Christianity. I go back to …in the Beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Studied it religiously and scientifically. Do not believe in superstition. I do know our Christianity came from Judea, when we finally believed the savior came and died for us, resurrected and told the apostles to go forth and tell the good news and the Holy Spirit came upon them…so here we are now, 2,000 years later.

          • shirleyanne12

            You DON’T Know b/c you are ”RELIGIOUS!”
            I Have A Very PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with the Creator of the Universe!!
            He is the SAME Elohim, of Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob…
            That MIRACULOUSLY, Brought His 12 Tribes + a Mixed Multitude, Across the Red Sea, Across the Sinai Peninsula, into the Promised Land!!
            And here we Are 2,000 years Later…
            We will be going through Another Exodus (Greater) and will Return to the Promised Land… Then Will there be the Fulfillment of the Promise He made with Abraham…
            Read Romans 11: 14-27.. Grafting-In, of BOTH Houses.
            Gal. 3:28-29.
            Eph. 2:11-13.. We enter into the Commonwealth of Israel.

          • texasjo

            Could be…I made my trip to Jerusalem and know that Jesus will come down there to the Mount of Olives one day, and we shall all be one. Since you are so close to God with your relationship, ask Him why he has done so much for me, JoAnne, who doesn’t know b/c? Why was my life saved three times, and same for my fortunes? Why have all those around me gotten sick and died? Actually, I ask Him all the time “what do you want me to do now?” I guess write comments. God Bless you, see you one day.

          • shirleyanne12

            Shalom aleichem…
            I’ll will pray and ask, My Yahweh…
            He sure turned my Life around…
            I don’t have the finances I used to have. However, I wouldn’t trade what I have now, for even the Most Magnificent Castle!!!!
            NO WAY, Hosé
            It’s late @ night now… I’ll get back again…
            Take Care..
            Give-Up Religion, my dear…
            I came out of that Greek Western Thinking, & NOW THIS!
            It’s the Understanding, from a Hebraic perspective, that I’ve received the Revelation, of Scripture.. The Revelation Has brought the Deliverance from the Woes of the World..
            I Truly have a Shalom, that passes all understanding.
            There’s a tremendous amount of Deception, out there.
            Satan is causing HAVOC..
            Men’s Hearts are FAILING FOR FEAR..
            But He hath NOT given us a Spirit of Fear. But of Power, Love & a Sound Mind… Amein.

          • shirleyanne12

            Hear what Jerome had to say…………..

            Jerome says of the Nazarenes: “since the preaching of the gospel of Christ, the believing Jews do well in observing the precepts of the law, i.e. in offering sacrifices as Paul did, in circumcising their children, as Paul did in the case of Timothy, and keeping the Jewish Sabbath, as all the Jews have been accustomed to do.” (Jerome; Letter 75 Jerome to Augustine)

            Jerome further says of the Nazarenes “though believing in Christ, [they] were anathematized by the [church] fathers for this one error, that they mixed up the ceremonies of the law with the gospel of Christ, and professed their faith in that which was new, without letting go what was old.” (ibid)

            In other words Jerome tells us that the Nazarene doctrine that the Torah should still be observed began with “the preaching of Christ” and was the doctrine kept by Paul, but that the church “fathers” of Christianity declared this to be an error and a heresy.

            So according to the Church Fathers Nazarene Judaism began with Messiah and Paul, and Gentile Christianity began when Nazarene Judaism was rejected as error by the church “fathers”.

          • texasjo

            Oh, and another thing. When Martin Luther printed the bible, he (and others who were protestors) left out many parts of the bible, they picked what they wanted. I know the Book of Wisdom and Maccabees are two of them, but I cannot remember which others were left out.

          • shirleyanne12

            There are a LOT of Books, BUT they are NOT Canonical….
            The books of Enoch, Yassher, Tobit, Judith, Baruch, Sirach, Sennacharib, et al.

          • Winston

            Augustine was not the brain trust that the church tries to make you believe.

          • texasjo

            My favorite Thomas Aquinas.

        • Winston

          How can you get the truth from a convent when they are lied to as well? The Vulgate is full of blasphemy and heresy. Catholic dogma/doctrine, much of it, is contrary to the Bible, such as Mariolatry.

          • http://codephined.com/ codephined

            The Vulgate is full of blasphemy and heresy? Are you off your rocker buddy?
            You do realize that every single protestant bible is derived from the Vulgate, right?

        • http://codephined.com/ codephined

          Well, we must make judgements of the objective kind. How else would we discern the fruits of something?

          The difference is objective and subjective. Objectively, protestants are outside of the one Church. Subjectively, they will be judged according to their knowledge (CCC 847), and anyway this sort of judgement is afforded to God alone (whether or not someone is going to hell).

          Although we can objectively discern the path that someone is on by how they live their life. If I were a strung out drug addict, always took the Lord’s name in vain, and lived a homosexual lifestyle, if I continued in that manner, I’d be (objectively) damned. Subjectively, I might have a conversion of heart at the moment of death, etc, etc…

          • texasjo

            I agree. I’ve been curious enough to read all about moments of death, and several times, the person has been witnessed to have asked to be saved, reached up, etc. It is my opinion (no proof, of course) that there may be that second where we get a choice. I have also read of near death experiences (which I have had) of going to the good place, and one man who went toward the dark place (hell). On the way being dragged down, he beseeched God/Jesus to save him, and he came back up, converted, and I believe he’s a preacher or at least tells everyone “there is a hell.” I do believe you almost have to chose hell. And, I also believe we must be purged of sin in a place Catholics call Purgatory, as someplace in the bible it says we must be pure to enter, and how many of us are pure? Hmmm…just my thoughts.

          • http://codephined.com/ codephined

            I hear ya man. I hope that I die in a state of grace, but if I don’t, I pray that God has mercy on me and allows me to “pay the last farthing” (Mt 5:26) in purgatory

      • Azygos

        “But he who dissents even in one point from divinely revealed truth absolutely rejects all faith, since he thereby refuses to honor God as the supreme truth and the formal motive of faith. ‘In many things they are with me, in a few things not with me; but in those few things in which they are not with me the many things in which they are will not profit them’ (S. Augustinus in Psal. liv., n. 19). And this indeed most deservedly; for they, who take from Christian doctrine what they please, lean on their own judgments, not on faith; and not ‘bringing into captivity every understanding unto the obedience of Christ’ (2 Cor. x., 5), they more truly obey themselves than God. ‘You, who believe what you like, believe yourselves rather than the gospel’ (S. Augustinus, lib. xvii., Contra Faustum Manichaeum, cap. 3).”
        –Pope Leo XIII, “Satis Cognitum”, 1896 A.D.

        • shirleyanne12

          O, MY WORD.. THIS IS THEIR DOCTRINE?????
          WHAT HERETICS & THEIR HERESY ???
          SMALL WONDER, THEY HAVE DECEIVED 1.2 BILLION CATHOLICS!!!

      • Winston

        Don’t listen to them. They are nuts. The catholic church is a criminal institution. Always has been. Study history of the papacy and how corrupt all the popes were as well as the Jesuits.

    • jackrussell

      Absolute truth, Billo. Had to do more than just click you ‘up’. Catholicism is not only a convoluted refutation of the Word of God, it seems they’ve just gotten themselves a pope who is going to further disenfranchise those who understand God’s ideas about what constitutes a sin and what it means to have a relationship with our Creator.

    • Leah

      That’s one reason I returned to the Hebrew roots of Christianity. I’m not a Protestant, I’m part of the Olive tree and all Messianics are grafted in.

      • http://codephined.com/ codephined

        There’s no such thing as a non-Catholic Christian who isn’t Protestant.

        • vicktrola

          I beg to differ. Augustine was the spiritual father of both the Catholic church and the reformers. If you believe in the Augustinian (Manichean/Gnostic) doctrine of original sin you are either Catholic or Protestant. If you don’t, you are neither.

          • http://codephined.com/ codephined

            Augustine, after his conversion to the Church, repudiated his earlier Manichean doctrines.
            If you don’t accept the doctrine of original sin, you’re simply an infidel heretic… or an apostate, depending on if they rejected the Christian religion in totality :)

          • vicktrola

            Augustine vacillated on the Gnostic/Manichaen doctrine of original sin but ultimately embraced it, making him a witting or unwitting heretic. When his doctrines (including “church” sanctioned persecution of so-called “heretics”) became institutionalized as “true” Christianity in the 5th century, the prophecy of Paul in 2 Thess. 2:3 was fulfilled, paving the way for the man of sin to appear a scant two centuries later. (No apologies for talking over your head, btw).

            “Infidel” and “apostate” are words one hears bandied about quite often these days, but they are more becoming of followers of the false prophet (yes, that man of sin), don’t you think? (I hope I’m not still talking over your head). We face an even more formidable opponent than each other, one that will ultimately shatter the power of the saints worldwide, just as the angel told Daniel. Who was it that said “A house divided against itself cannot stand”? Hmmm, let me think.

            As I tell my Calvinist preacher brother, Jesus is my judge — not you. And thank God for that, because if He did not graciously overlook much error on the part of his church, none of us would stand a chance.

          • Winston

            Augustine has misinterpreted many parts of the Bible. Perhaps you should do some more research. He was a nut.

          • vicktrola

            Perhaps you should re-read my post a little more closely, Einstein. You will notice I said “When his doctrines . . ” (It’s what is called “plural” in English.)

            Augustine’s
            heretical teachings (yes, plural) might have rendered him a byline of
            history had they not been institutionalized as legitimate church
            doctrine. I contend that it was the formal adoption of them that
            fulfilled 2 Thess. 2:3 and paved the way for the revealing of the false
            prophet and his beastly religion in the early 7th century.

          • texasjo

            Do you think you are more brilliant than St. Augustine, who belonged to a cult type before his mother St. Monica prayed him into really finding the Catholic Church? Did you read his Confessions?

          • vicktrola

            Winston thinks he’s more brilliant than just about anyone.

            But, to respond to your comment, brilliance and prayerful mothers do not necessarily lead to the adoption of sound doctrine. The yardstick is the Bible. It’s way more reliable than brains or devoted moms.

          • texasjo

            The “correct” interpretation of the Bible. Augustine belonged to a certain cult that didn’t believe Jesus was true MAN and true God. It was a heresy. There were many heresies, that’s why the Catholic Church has so many rules, to keep folks on the right track, as many do not interpret the bible the same.

          • vicktrola

            Gnosticism was trying to worm its way into the church as far back as the first century. The apostles were vehemently opposed to it. Unfortunately, with Augustine some of these heretical doctrines became legitimized. The doctrine of Original Sin is one of the most destructive. It survived the Reformation and still holds sway to this day.

          • texasjo

            He believed in Manicheeism and Neoplatoism. Jesus wouldn’t have to come to earth and die for our sins if we didn’t have original sin. I know my New Age people say belief in original sin can drive one crazy (a professor who studied Ayn Rand) Not sure if I spelled things right. That’s why we need baptism…don’t you think?

          • vicktrola

            If Original Sin were indeed passed on from generation to generation then how was Jesus without sin? Now do you see why you have to invent a doctrine like the Immaculate Conception (that Mary was born of a virgin) to deal with the problem? Then we have infant baptism and many other ridiculous doctrines that have their origin there. It is Gnostic and grievous heresy. Don’t be afraid to embrace a better understanding just because it is different than what you have been taught.

            Babies come into the world sinless. They become sinners when they commit their first sin, as we all do, except for the One who was perfect. His virgin birth was unique in history and was for a sign. If you read Ezekiel chapter 18 (esp. verse 20) you will see that none of us answers for the sin of another (including Adam’s), but only for our own. According to God’s plan, sacrifice must be made for sin. He tested Abraham’s faith and then restrained him from doing the very thing that He would eventually do Himself — offer up his own beloved son as a sacrifice. Only the blood of Jesus effectually covers the sin of the repentant believer. His sacrifice was necessary, because all have sinned, and final, because Jesus is the ultimate Antitype.

            God will never allow a third temple to be built. You can mark my words on that. Not even for the sake of the unbelieving Jews. Jesus’ sacrifice was ONCE for ALL.

          • texasjo

            I believe in the Immaculate Conception because that’s is what Mary called herself when asked about her name. I believe in her apparitions. Furthermore, it is indicated that John the Baptist’s mother may have been without original sin, and of course, Mary’s mother, St. Anne. Remember the words God used when he kicked Adam and Eve out of Paradise.

          • vicktrola

            Believe what you want. My guideline is — if it ain’t in the Bible then throw it out.

            There is nothing more I can say to you.

          • shoebat

            Youth pastor is not in the Bible. Neither is Hymnals, Pews, Pastors or Sunday Schools. In the First Churches there were Liturgy, Spices, Icons and Priests. So why throw one while you want to keep the other?

          • vicktrola

            Which traditions did I say I wanted to keep? You are assuming things. Youth pastors, hymnals, pews, pastors, Sunday schools, liturgy, spices, icons, priests, and the list goes on. Some things are profitable; some are not. The Holy Spirit and the canon of holy Scripture can help us identify and eschew traditions that are, at best, of no benefit, and worse, even harmful, but many are so entrenched as to never be scrutinized or even questioned.

          • vicktrola

            Believe whatever you want then. My motto is “if it ain’t in the Bible then throw it out”.

            There is nothing more I can say to you.

          • texasjo

            Oh, the bible people. The bible was written by the Catholics. If you go way back to the beginning you will discover this. We also go by tradition. How in the world did the first Christians, who were called “the followers,” ever manage before the New Testament was written (100 years after Jesus?)…study more.

          • vicktrola

            Yep, I’m guilty of being one of those nutty “Bible people”. Mea culpa. MY Bible was written by Moses, the prophets and the apostles, none of whom I recall having ever embraced Catholicism

            And btw, if you truly believe that Catholics wrote the Bible, then no wonder you don’t bother to read it. ;^)

          • texasjo

            I’ve read the bible and in Mass parts of the bible are read everyday. You do not know the history of the bible and how it was compiled, I can tell. There are many mistaken as you are. The word “Catholic” wasn’t around till Ignatius decided that’s what to call “universal followers of Christ.” The Torah (Old Testament) was written by those I do not know as I haven’t studied the source, but, the New Testament wasn’t written until most of original apostles were dead. It is inspired writing by remembering oral tradition…tales of what happened. Perhaps Paul’s letters were saved, but many didn’t even know how to write. Please study where the bible came from reliable sources, and note that even Martin Luther said just a few should interpret the bible, and if every milkmaid did, we would have many versions that were wrong.

          • vicktrola

            You’ve already stated you believe in the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception, i.e. that Mary was virgin born, also that Mary’s mother and possibly even John the Baptist were virgin born.

            I will waste no more time with you.

          • texasjo

            That’s the definition of a bigot. You don’t have to believe in what Mary has told us, but if you go by the bible, by God, you had better learn where it came from.

        • OG Mally Bieber

          The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormons) are Christians whose roots are not Protestant.

          • Winston

            Beware of the roots of Mormonism. Freemasonry and sorcery surrounds the beginnings of this cult.

        • nickj123

          You haven’t hear of the Orthodox church?

          • http://codephined.com/ codephined

            ? Yeah, they left the Catholic Church in 1054AD.

        • Winston

          Are you insane?

          • http://codephined.com/ codephined

            If “everything we need to be saved is in the Bible,” then where does it say in the Bible that all you need is the books of the New Testament?

            The Bible mentions that Christ founded one Church, and changed the name of Simon Peter to institute His Church on him… Matthew 16:18. That Church is universal, which is what Catholic means.
            In 110AD, Ignatius of Antioch, a student of John the Beloved Apostle and ordained by St. Peter himself, was being brought to Rome for his martyrdom. He wrote, excerpted, “wheresoever the Bishop is, there is the katholikos [catholic] ecclesia [church].”
            That’s right around the second generation after Christ’s ascension into heaven. The Bible would not be a full undisputed canon for another (almost) 300 years, in 392AD, decided upon by the Magisterium of the Catholic Church.
            How did all those Christians “get saved” without a Bible?! :)

            There is one Church, like there was one Ark … outside of which is no salvation.

            I’m not in any way insane, but if you study history, isn’t it more insane to follow the traditions of men like Luther who said things like “all you need is the Bible?” -Which, by the way, hadn’t ever been said or practiced for 1,500 years in Christian history.

        • Allan477

          And what are Orthodox Christians? Pagans?

      • Winston

        All believers in Jesus Christ as our savior, together with repentance and obedience makes us part of the “Bride of Christ.” All you need are biblical truths. Check any church’s dogma/doctrine against the Bible. You’ll find most are heretical.

    • Jakareh

      I challenge you to provide even one quote from “Coming Home” that actually “bad mouths” Protestantism. A typical quote from the show would be something like: “I’m enormously grateful to the Baptist tradition for introducing me to Jesus Christ and imbuing in me a love of Scripture.”

      Now, if you equate disagreement with slander–as Muslims also do, incidentally–then that’s a whole other ball of wax.

    • keleee

      Billo, Are you still upset over this? I am correct when I said that you will never hear Catholics bad mouthing others faiths in a church. I meant at mass. I watch EWTN and I have watched “The Journey Home” many times. The show is about how and why people heard the call to convert to being a Catholic and how their journey unfolded. I have never heard anyone put down the faith they came from. Why do you watch EWTN if your not a Catholic? You are the one who needs help if you believe Protestants are cursed by the RCC? That is bogus. Your final comment takes the cake and you really need to call on a priest and ask him if you can go visit him sometime and go over some of these statements to see if there is any truth in them. I’m sure as long as you listened to him he would fill you in on your misconceptions. I was always taught that there are many faiths in the world and we should respect them. If you are not a Catholic don’t worry about it. You just believe what ever you want and try and be accepting of others who have different beliefs then you. I taught Sunday School for years and volunteer to help the poor. Catholics do more to help the poor in Maine then the State of Maine does! It is called Catholic Charities and I don’t do volunteer work to be saved I do it because it makes me feel good. If you took all your anger and instead of spewing it at others took that energy and put it into doing something good for someone that needs a hand you would be living like Jesus did. Jesus loved the poor and the children. I bet you would feel a lot better inside then you do now.

    • texasjo

      EWTN, Journey Home is excellent. It isn’t “bad mouthing,” it is those who were in other faiths found the Catholic Church to be the one. holy, apostolic Church founded by Jesus Christ, with Peter as the first pope. They are usually ministers. They are very intelligent and tell the differences they have found. the leader Marcus, was another faith, also. These people searched, read, and converted. Of course you do not have to be a Catholic to be saved. And, yes, you must believe in Jesus Christ and that he came to die for our sins. But, those who have not received the Word, if they have willing to be right in all things, have the Baptism of the Spirit. Now, if you believe what Jesus said, you must follow his Word.

    • Azygos

      Galatians 1:6-9, (All of Protestantism in a Nutshell)
      7 (not that there is another). But there are some
      who are disturbing you and wish to pervert the gospel of Christ.

      8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should
      preach (to you) a gospel other than the one that we preached to you, let that
      one be accursed!

      9 As we have said before, and now I say again, if
      anyone preaches to you a gospel other than the one that you received, let that
      one be accursed!

    • http://codephined.com/ codephined

      Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus. Peter bound it, thus it is bound in heaven.

    • Joseph Francis Whipple

      The Church that Jesus built upon Simon Peter was the Catholic Church, so its authority is hardly self-attributed; rather it is superiority that was given and blessed by God Himself. Even the Church’s doctrines and dogmas are sanctioned by God when Jesus said to the Apostles: “‘Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven.’” Matthew 18:18

      Am I saying that all protestants are bad people? No, of course not. Some of my best friends are protestants. But do your research before you degrade God’s One, Holy and Apostolic Church.

  • Tim

    I’m not Catholic, I’m Protestant, I have no urge to have a Protestant inferiority complex towards the Papacy.
    The Catholic church supports illegal immigration and socialism they call ‘social justice’. Many priests have been caught molesting children and many Popes have expressed a desire towards a one world order. While Catholics aren’t necessarily bad people, their WWII Pope helped Hitler.

  • Philip Galindo

    And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. Think about that one, Walid!

  • Allen Christensen

    When the Church becomes a ‘system’, that is to say- more of a political power structure than ecclesiastical, whether Protestant or Catholic, it has left its first love. ‘Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If any man hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.’ (Revelation 3:20)
    The invisible universal catholic church is made up of individual true believers who are ‘called out’ of these collective systems.

  • Leah

    Anti-Christ will come from the Holy Roman Empire. There is NO doubt about it and ALL of prophecy points to it, not Islam.

    • JudasTheHammer

      eesh. what have you been reading? no seriously..what sources are you using to make this statement? what prophecy points to it? the bible?

  • Ray Richards

    I Find it sad that the Eastern Churches (Eastern Orthodox, Coptic, etc.) are not mentioned at all in this article. How about we actually view and read history from a fuller lens rather than only looking at one side or part of it and not the full. So the author thinks that it was only the Roman Catholic Church that kept Islam at bay, keeping it from spreading? I mean seriously, this is very poor knowledge of history and cherry picking at best. Come on…

  • MrShel

    I will answer your questions Walid. While I grew up Catholic, the Muslim world has invaded our continent. Why? Because the Catholic church, supposing to be the ONLY true church, has denied its flock any and all of the power to fight the madness of Islam. While worshipping idols in its dead pews for centuries and trusting suffering “priests” to forgive them their sins, four levels of the hierarchy have separated them from God. Thankfully the Spirit of God is being poured out into ministries like Royal Family International which demonstrate the truth, power and love of God the way it was intended and which has been purposely hidden from man since the earliest church. The reasons for the truth been hidden, suppressed if you will, are the same old reasons which include a lust for money and power and a distaste for the true Jesus. Thankfully God is pouring out his Spirit on these types of ministries in these last days to demonstrate His true will. It is unfortunate that although these true men and woman of God will likely cause an unprecedented earthquake is the hearts of “believers” and unbelievers alike, it is my prophecy that the Catholic church itself will come into an unholy alliance with Islam and other worldly powers to snuff out the greatest revival of love, power and truth that this world has ever seen. Catholics beware… wolves in sheep’s clothing are breaking idols and deceiving you from behind black (and white) robes and veils. See 2 Timothy 3:5 to see why Islam and its minuscule amount of power has overcome the Catholic church and a lost and confused Christianity in general. Thank God that God Himself is giving us all a way out in these last days by demonstrating His love through a new breed of truly true Christians.

  • texasjo

    So, Paul, you know more than the Popes? Keleee is absolutely correct. The underlying principles of the church were not changed. Just English (or your language) instead of Latin, and a few other minor things.

    • Paul

      The novus ordo church teaches that Muslims, Jews and Christians all worship the same God. This is heretical and Jesus already refuted that teaching in the 8th or 10th chapter of John. The novus ordo church did not just change things into english or “my language”. All the sacraments were changed, the Novus ordo mass was changed especially the novus ordo “consecration” which was changed making it invalid. The teachings of the novus ordo church is a complete contradiction to the Church prior to Vatican II. Study up on it. You need to read the fathers of the church and the encyclicals of the popes prior to Vatican II, you will then see it is not the same Church.

  • http://musterion.typepad.com/blog/ Joe Dokes

    Mr. Shoebat,

    Unless and until your church officially shreds the anathemas specifically levied against Bible only believers (which we both well know it not only will not but can never do) your arguments are, to be polite, a bit hypocritical.

    • shirleyanne12

      Joe, I agree 100% with your statement…..
      NONE SO BLIND AS THOSE WHO DON’T WANT TO SEE !!!!!!!
      YESHUA IS POURING OUT HIS SPIRIT TO ALL MANKIND…
      There is Absolutely NO Excuse for ”SELECTIVE” Hearers !!!!
      But then again we know that these things must happen before the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord. His WILL will be DONE and in PERFECT TIMING to His CALENDAR.
      Amein.
      Come Yeshua, come.
      Shalom aleichem.

  • http://musterion.typepad.com/blog/ Joe Dokes

    Vatican II changed nothing fundamental to the RCC. I have a list of quotes from bishops and other authorities at the time who said as much specifically because laymembers feared it would make vast changes to their church.

    • Paul

      Joe, Did you ever read the Ottaviani Report? This came out after the council. It was written by Cardinal Ottaviani ad a couple other Cardinals. In that report, which was sent to Paul VI, clearly points out that Vatican II was a disruption in the teachings of the Church which would change the faith of the people. Vatican II also replaced the immemorial Mass to a protestant service even going so far as to change Jesus’ very words in the consecration, which ultimately makes the “consecration” invalid. I don’t doubt that you have a list of quotes from “bishops and other authorities”, but that is the excuse given by the, modernists. All you have to do is compare the teachings of the Church of 2000 years to the Vatican II church and you will see there is no comparison. There is a complete disconnect. Of course they are going to tell you there is no change, because they want you to “drink the cool-aid” which you have. Read….Read…..Read Even one of the Cardinals, a liberal one at that, said that Vatican II was the 1789 of the Church. Referring to the Masonic French revolution which overthrew the Catholic monarchy. With all due respect, you need to stop listening to the wolves who tell you the lambs are okay.

      • http://musterion.typepad.com/blog/ Joe Dokes

        Full disclosure: in case it’s not obvious from my prior comments I’m coming at this from the standpoint of an anathematized Bible-only believer (I am indifferent to the label “protestant;” others may apply it to me if they wish). As such I’m ignorant and largely indifferent to the ceremonial minutiae you refer to. But as to the authorities I referenced earlier…be they liberals or not, I remain unaware of any fundamental, bedrock, non-negotiable dogma of the RCC – something that MADE it the RCC and not something else – which was jettisoned at Vatican II.

        My only point in even posting here is: regarding the Trent anathemas, which of them were cancelled by Vatican II? Answer: None.

        Shoebat and others can howl in outrage about “Catholic bashing” due to prots simply (and correctly) pointing out we have contradictory Gospels – and I will defend no prot who goes further than that for it is a fact – but when is some ecumenical-minded Catholic going to stand up and call on Rome to disavow the anathemas against your supposed separated brethren?

        • Paul

          The results of Vatican II can be seen in the “Catholic”Lutheran accord in which this heretical statement/accord acknowledged and praised by John Paul II and Benedict VI does disavow the anathemas. To clarify your statement that the ” non-negotiable dogma of the RCC – something that MADE it the RCC and not something else -, is mistaken. The RCC is the Church established by Christ and the “non-negotiable dogmas” you speak of are the teachings of Christ Himself. Concerning when “some ecumenical-minded Catholic” is ” going to stand up and call on Rome to
          disavow the anathemas against your supposed separated brethren?”, you are The Church to accept heresy as being okay, which the True Church cannot do. The church you see as the Catholic Church, is not The Church but an apostate heretical church, that usurped the papacy in 1958. Just like Henry VIII usurped the authority of the Church in England and took over the buildings, the same thing happened on a universal scale from Rome. And just like all the protestant sects, ( which you belong to one), they changed the sacraments. If you no nothing of The Church prior to 1958 I can understand why you are ignorant of the facts. The novus ordo church (the church of vatican II), for example, teaches that Muslims and Christians worship the same God. One quick correction, you say you are a “Bible-only believer”, which is not true. You believe what people tell you what the Bible says. For example: at the last supper Jesus said, “This is My Body” and He said, “This My Blood…”, you don’t believe that as He said it, and as the Bible states it, but you believe what you have been told WHAT IT MEANS. Jesus, unequivocally stated you must eat His Body and drink His blood or you have no life in you, again you believe what someone has told you this means not what Jesus said. There are many examples that can be given.

          • http://musterion.typepad.com/blog/ Joe Dokes

            See? So one of us is wrong and bound for Hell, yes? Or we BOTH are and someone else is right…but we can’t both be right with God given what we believe. Do you agree with that?

          • Paul

            I do agree And I have 2000 years of consistent history to back up what I believe, you have about 500 years of history which verifies your interpretation.

          • http://musterion.typepad.com/blog/ Joe Dokes

            Well this is a surprise. In over 10 years of online discussions of this nature, and of asking this very question to Catholics, you are the only one who has had the guts to admit the plain truth that one, or both, of us is wrong and eternally damned right where we sit.

            I sincerely thank you for your honesty.

          • Paul

            Woe is me if I speak not the truth

          • http://musterion.typepad.com/blog/ Joe Dokes

            Latimer and Ridley on line one for you.

    • shirleyanne12

      THE RCC IS THE WHORE OF BABYLON, AS DESCRIBED IN THE BOOK OF REVELATION…
      COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE, SAITH Y’HoVaH…

  • http://musterion.typepad.com/blog/ Joe Dokes

    Dear Beth,

    Google the following,

    “If anyone says anathema”

    and post what you find.

    Also…

    “The Roman Catholic Church, also doesn’t claim that you have to follow 100% of it’s teachings.”

    I have read quotes from your own Magesterium that says you have no appeal to conscience in matters the Church has officially pronounced as dogma. You believe and obey 100%, or else. If you dislike that, then your argument is with THEM, not with we who just point out what was written by them.

    Posted with respect and love.

    • OG Mally Bieber

      Thanks for pointing me to the “anathema” stuff. Confirmation on why I’m not a Catholic.

      • Sonceto Zare

        Yes you are a poor soul, thats why you aren’t catolic, but i bet with you, you never was catolic, since you don’t know what it is, anyway.

    • Sonceto Zare

      Anathema is not a curse, anathema is a aramaic word, it you be hold till the end of the days, which means you be jugded for ur own trasgresions!

  • shirleyanne12

    Don’t be arguing to gain SUPREMACY for your Greek Orthodoxy and LOOSE sight of Yeshua HaMashiach…

    YOU FOLKS HAVE TOO MUCH PRIDE AND WANT YOUR KUDOS !!!!!

    WHY DON’T YOU’LL LOOK TO YESHUA, THE AUTHOR AND FINISHER OF ”THE” RACE ????? (Regardless of your COLOUR or RACE )

    Read this… DO WHAT YESHUA DID.. PAUL FOLLOWED YESHUA.

    There is NEITHER Paul NOR Appolos !!!!

    We are to be SET-APART… Not Jewish nor Christian.. We follow Yeshua, whom Paul also followed !
    Amein.

    Those who want go back to Christianity check out what Jerome said: Dr. James posted this and I think is important

    What many Christians do not know, is that the Church Fathers admitted that the original followers of Yeshua as Messiah, including Paul, were Jews of the sect of the Nazarenes, and that Gentile Christianity was their own invention.

    Of course the New Testament tells us Paul was a “ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes” (Acts 24:5). The so-called church fathers tell us quite a bit about these “Nazarenes”.

    The fourth century “church father” Epiphanius gives a detailed description:

    But these sectarians… did not call themselves Christians–but “Nazarenes,” … However they are simply complete Jews. They use not only the New Testament but the Old Testament as well, as the Jews do… They have no different ideas, but confess everything exactly as the Law proclaims it and in the Jewish fashion– except for their belief in Messiah, if you please! For they acknowledge both the resurrection of the dead and the divine creation of all things, and declare that God is one, and that his son is Yeshua the Messiah. They are trained to a nicety in Hebrew. For among them the entire Law, the Prophets, and the… Writings… are read in Hebrew, as they surely are by the Jews. They are different from the Jews, and different from Christians, only in the following. They disagree with Jews because they have come to faith in Messiah; but since they are still fettered by the Law–circumcision, the Sabbath, and the rest– they are not in accord with Christians…. they are nothing but Jews…. They have the Goodnews according to Matthew in its entirety in Hebrew. For it is clear that they still preserve this, in the Hebrew alphabet, as it was originally written. (Epiphanius; Panarion 29)

    The “church father” Jerome (4th Cent.) described these Nazarenes as those “…who accept Messiah in such a way that they do not cease to observe the old Law.” (Jerome; On. Is. 8:14).

    But in a letter to Augustine, Jerome makes an amazing admission concerning the Nazarenes:

    “…since the preaching of the gospel of Christ, the believing Jews do well in observing the precepts of the law, i.e. in offering sacrifices as Paul did, in circumcising their children, as Paul did in the case of Timothy, and keeping the Jewish Sabbath, as all the Jews have been accustomed to do…though believing in Christ, were anathematized by the fathers for this one error, that they mixed up the ceremonies of the law with the gospel of Christ, and professed their faith in that which was new, without letting go what was old. …In our own day there exists a sect among the Jews throughout all the synagogues of the East, which is called the sect of the Minæans, and is even now condemned by the Pharisees. The adherents to this sect are known commonly as Nazarenes; they believe in Christ the Son of God, born of the Virgin Mary; and they say that He who suffered under Pontius Pilate and rose again, is the same as the one in whom we believe. But while they desire to be both Jews and Christians, they are neither the one nor the other. I therefore beseech you, who think that you are called upon to heal my slight wound, which is no more, so to speak, than a prick or scratch from a needle, to devote your skill in the healing art to this grievous wound, which has been opened by a spear driven home with the impetus of a javelin. For there is surely no proportion between the culpability of him who exhibits the various opinions held by the fathers in a commentary on Scripture, and the guilt of him who reintroduces within the Church a most pestilential heresy. If, however, there is for us no alternative but to receive the Jews into the Church, along with the usages prescribed by their law; if, in short, it shall be declared lawful for them to continue in the Churches of Christ what they have been accustomed to practice in the synagogues of Satan, I will tell you my opinion of the matter: they will not become Christians, but they will make us Jews.
    (Jerome; Letter 75)

    (1) “Minæans” apparently Latinized from Hebrew MINIM (singular is MIN) a word which in modern Hebrew means “apostates” but was originally an acronym for a Hebrew phrase meaning “Believers in Yeshua the Nazarene”.

    Jerome says of the Nazarenes: “since the preaching of the gospel of Christ, the believing Jews do well in observing the precepts of the law, i.e. in offering sacrifices as Paul did, in circumcising their children, as Paul did in the case of Timothy, and keeping the Jewish Sabbath, as all the Jews have been accustomed to do.” (Jerome; Letter 75 Jerome to Augustine)

    Jerome further says of the Nazarenes “though believing in Christ, [they] were anathematized by the [church] fathers for this one error, that they mixed up the ceremonies of the law with the gospel of Christ, and professed their faith in that which was new, without letting go what was old.” (ibid)

    In other words Jerome tells us that the Nazarene doctrine that the Torah should still be observed began with “the preaching of Christ” and was the doctrine kept by Paul, but that the church “fathers” of Christianity declared this to be an error and a heresy.

    So according to the Church Fathers Nazarene Judaism began with Messiah and Paul, and Gentile Christianity began when Nazarene Judaism was rejected as error by the church “fathers”.

  • shirleyanne12

    GET BACK UNDER YOUR ”BUNKER.”
    You’re ANOTHER BLINDED SOUL !!!!

  • Paul

    Beth, Jesus did state what will damn an individual, therefore if The Church just reiterates what Jesus said then in essence The Church does say some people are damned.

  • xenia7

    I can find millions of references and pages to support my arguments, but it’s very easy to find for anyone who wants to look, so I will not spend my reply in that manner. Your reply is
    factually incorrect and the webpage you site is a catholic fundamentalist website, from that point of view you are no different to an islamic fundamentalist. It is good to know the meaning of words you use, so since I am a Greek Orthodox let me inform you that schismatic and heretic are too different things (and both Greek words). I will not go into a defensive of why the Orthodox are not heretics, It is just too ridiculous to call all the Orthodox nations, who have continuously fought against islam, heretics. Even your popes go as far as call us schismatics and no further, but you cross the line. Heretic is a very dangerous word to use and, unfortunately, you use it very easily. The catholic church killed many people accused as heretics, they thought they were killing witches, but many of those people were innocent children, or people with mental disorders, accused because the accuser was jealous or afraid or whatever else. All because someone was eager to accuse them.

    The main problem with the things you write is that it has an effect on people. You should remember that you are not God, you can’t judge anyone, but you claim to be some kind of “keeper of the truth” who assigns error, blame, heresy etc etc to others. You are in a quest to “show the light” and expose those who don’t agree with your notion of the “truth”. The truth is, you don’t know whether you’re wrong or right, you can only say what you believe and stop there. You don’t have the right to point the finger and decide who is wrong and who is right, because you’re human. What you do is not because you love the truth, it is because you hate those who according to you are “wrong”. What you do does not build up people’s faith
    in Christ because the main thing you do is criticism. What you write has nothing to do with love, the central meaning of christianity. You only set out to accuse and tear down the beliefs of others. However, Christ’s love for all people is central to the
    Gospel.
    These writings above are focused on Papal Supremacy and Papal
    Infallibility in a way that no longer reflects the many truthful and
    Christian things that Roman Catholics believe and teach. It is sad to
    read such obsessive writing. For instance, it is possible to argue that
    the Orthodox are schismatics. There was a schism, and naturally the
    Western Christians blamed the Orthodox for it, just
    as we Orthodox are very happy to blame them. That is the official Catholic
    position.However it is not correct to accuse us of heresy. We did not
    alter the customs of the Church at the time of the Great Schism. We have
    not added new teachings or beliefs since that time, or added to the
    Creed. We do not have a pick and mix approach as you suggest. You are deeply mistaken in the things you write, anyone who reads what you wrote above can see the anger coming through. Your anger does a
    disservice to catholics and to Christianity in
    general. The pope changed the Creed without consent from the Ecumenical Synode in 1054 and because the Orthodox did not agree with such changes you call them schismatics. You say it, but it does not mean anything really. And to be honest, infallibility of anything claimed by a human, even a religious leader, is an absurd statement. The only infallible being is God.

    I don’t know you and have nothing against you personally, but if you ever came face-to-face with Christ, what would you tell him? that you are proud of your polemic speeches against the Orthodox or of your accusations and rejection against non-catholics? do you think He would pay any attention to anything like that? You can argue all you want that your motives are pure, but to any logical person it is evident that you are obsessive, for some reason. People are drawn to love, humility and calmness, not to hate, anger and accusations. You talk about people been fed anti-catholic rhetoric. But, I can tell, you haven’t been fed much love either. Focusing on doing good, praying and not judging others can help you, and it is what we should all be doing, myself included.

    • Paul

      To say I can’t say if someone is wrong or not is completely wrong. If Jesus has stated who is wrong and I say the same I am only caring on the teachings of Jesus . You also say that I am wrong in calling the Orthodox heretics, yet at the same time you say that because I am human I cannot say if someone is wrong. Are you then claiming not to be human, in order to make that judgment? I know you are not. What I find interesting is that most people who tell others they can’t judge usually are judging at the same time.

      Catholic fundamentalism? There are certain things that must be believed, to believe them is not fundamentalism.

      You accuse me of hatred yet you say you don’t know me, I hate no one. To refute a position is not an indication that a person hates that person or organization they are refuting.

      • xenia7

        The first one who judged anyone in here was you. You attack others. You are the one who calls others heretics, and you continue doing so. Jesus has not appointed you to tell us who’s right and who’s wrong, for some reason you don’t seem to understand that. The teachings of Jesus Christ do not need you to defend them. And if Jesus has stated who is wrong, He doesn’t need you to re-iterate. I do not have to accuse you of anything; the anger and the hatred are evident in your writing. Sadly, you give yourself away and you still don’t get it. Your first paragraph is filled with the expression “… is wrong”, because your main interest is to point the finger and say that others are wrong and you’re right. Leave Jesus out of it. This only has to do with you and your superiority complex, not with christianity or religion.

        • Paul

          Xenia you said, ” Jesus has not appointed you to tell us who’s right and who’s wrong, for some reason you don’t seem to understand that” but now you claim that you have the right to say I am wrong. Now that is hypocritical unless you can show that Jesus appointed you to make these claims. Based on what you have stated, you have no right to correct anyone or show someone their error because we as humans we don’t have the right to tell anyone what Jesus has said . Your stance is completely illogical. May you find Peace.

  • Splash

    I agree with your take on protestants generally & Rick Warren but the Catholic Church is all those things protestants are and then some. They give only lip service to the bible while following their own invented doctrines (catechism). You yourself are accursed (anathema) by them & don’t even know it. Better re-examine the RCC.

  • Marian Johnson

    Money Quote: :But there is also a difference between emotionally loving Jesus and doing what Jesus says. We preach something. Yet, we follow the opposite; we continue in lacking knowledge.:

    So true. But wasn’t Jesus noted as a prophet in Islam? His teachings are still valid, and ignored by those who prefer the certainty of rules to the testing of the spirit. (And this coming from a person who is not religious, but respects the wisdom from the holy scriptures.) And I hope more people begin understanding the teachings and become more relaxed in regard to the rules….

  • Tukadoodle

    Very interesting,but not one word about the Jews? For the highest ” humanitarians” look at em all out to genocide Israel and every drop of blood Jew in the world. I call it ” Comunosocialism” cos it’s the same slippery with blood slope as Europeon ” Socialism’s” death rate from healthcare alone keeps going up. A recent study says there are over 150M Antisemites in Europe alone. So I ask, is Antisemitism the origin of organized hate? So maybe the true Original Sin was you folks all stealing old JC? I ask cos some say he never existed until age 30…like Obama and Zeitgeist. I noticed the Pope only denounced Marxism the Jew and not Communosocialists as I say. Just look at look at the 75% of Commie JINOS and JAP/P’s all using their Muslim frends to get us all once again. So I now also call them ” Social democratic Shariah’s” replacing Nazis with Muslims this time around. I mean the Church/Pope met with the Brotherhood right after Obama did. Seems like cutting another deal with the Devil once again. Bet that’s why their other resigned cos it was the Germans using the Muslims to kill us in WWII. So look at all of Democrat ” women” that run their show in bed with the very worst to set the ME/World ablaze. Hillary just traveled around dropping Molotov’s every where she went…and partied with them. They hide behind the Church that never rejects any of them. It’s true Theological Communism when you think deep. But ” extreme” Right or Left it’s all the same, blame/shame the Jews/Israel like everyone does to cover up their crimes. So look at em all bowing to our/world’s worst enemies they support and celebrate every single time….

  • Winston

    There is no mention of appointing popes by Jesus in the Bible.

    • Laurrie

      Jesus appointed Peter, the first pope.

  • Goten Son

    From this one article alone its clear that Walid Shoebat has no problem with the genocide that was carried out by the church during the dark ages. The inquisition resulted in the deaths of over 170 million people and Shoebat is okay with a historical event that dwarfs the holocaust by many orders of magnitude.

  • laughterjones

    Cephas Martin – the heresy you preach is part of the problem. “Truth of the Catholic Church” ? Where in all of scripture does it say anything about that? If I say to you, I am saved by Jesus and through him I know my salvation is secure, yet I am not a part of the Catholic Church, I am condemned? Jesus spent part of his time here on earth removing false worship towards principles, organizations, and said just to worship him. That’s it. Jesus is it my friend, abide in HIM he says, not in an institution.

    • Winston

      Parishioners in the catholic church are conditioned to believe those lies just like the low-information voter believes our evil government. Jesus did not create the catholic religion. That is ridiculous and it is ridiculous to believe that you have to be a member of the catholic church to be saved. The papacy, the Vatican is a corrupt institution that most catholics just don’t want to believe. The Vatican and Jesuits worship the devil. The Jesuits have been corrupt since their beginnings.

  • laughterjones

    Cephas – if you believe standing under a multi-billion dollar empire, will support you before Christ, you will be surprised. Christ came to free us from the very teachings/rules you serve under. Christ is the head of his church, no, one, else.

  • Guest

    I guess the central Protestant church will have to get off their multi-billion dollar organization and gold chairs, and pay out some money to the tune of 2000 years of persecution.

  • laughterjones

    You say “The church is One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic!”

    Yet the Bible says, In Christ Alone.

  • Rexlion

    You asked your ‘million dollar question’: “Why did God choose Catholics to stop Islam in its tracks in all the major battles intended to destroy Christendom?”

    The answer is simple. Who else was available? No one. The Catholic Church from 1100 to 1300 (the time of the Crusades) was the only organization with the manpower and money to fight such a war. You expect Protestants? Ha! Martin Luther was not yet born. the Protestant movement in the 12th and 13th centuries was weak and persecuted (hunted down and exterminated) by the powerful Catholic Church. Jan Hus? They cooked his goose, along with every other true Bible believing Christian they could find.

    Yes, the Catholics fought the Muslims. The Muslims were a dire threat to the Catholic Church’s empire.

  • Winston

    You’re an idiot. I am a Catholic and have come to know the horrors and what it currently embraces. Do your research before you open your stupid mouth. The Vatican today has been corrupted by the Jesuits. They embrace untold evils.

    • WatchmanofEzekiel33

      Easy with them my fellow worker in Christ Jesus. We must remember that all of us were at one time pre programmed by our parents, family, schools, churches of men and so much more until God Himself called us out unto The Son through the power of The Holy Spirit. They are still only able to consume the sweet milk and might not be ready for The Strong Meat that is of The Pure Word of God. Teach them as Christ Jesus so taught us all. With grace and gentleness. Peace unto you my fellow worker in Christ Jesus. Peace be unto you.

      • verbracity

        Anyone is a swine if you throw the right pearl in front of them….

        • Winston

          Aye, the weakness of humanity.

      • Winston

        You are right. I let my anger get the best of me.

      • shirleyanne12

        Jeremiah 16:19-21

        King James Version (KJV)

        19 O Lord, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

        20 Shall a man make gods unto himself, and they are no gods?

        21 Therefore, behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know mine hand and my might; and they shall know that my name is The Lord.

        • Philip Sieve

          Is that KJV passage about the Protestants? I understand a cowriter of it was the occultist, John Dee.

      • Prudent

        that was beautiful,I will try to remember that !

    • mcbee555

      Why does it always end-up in an argument of “Mine is better than yours?” In the end, isn’t the message of love and tolerance what is necessary for peaceful existence? It’s pointless and certainly not constructive to claim one’s certain faction of belief is superior to another’s faction of belief, both under the same heading of Christianity. Being so judgmental of each other is actually an act of trying to trump the judgment of the One Almighty. Judgment is God’s province, abiding by His words are what he expects of us.

      • Winston

        Frankly, I don’t believe that Jesus was about tolerance. His truths cannot be diluted to include any competing statements. Truth is black and white, with no shades of gray. I embrace the Word of God, I am not judging God’s Word. God will be true to His Word so we can pretty much figure out how justice will be disseminated.

        There is no belief better than someone else belief. Only the beliefs delineated in the Bible are what we need to be concerned with.

        34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn ” ‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law– 36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’ — Matthew 10:34-36

        • mcbee555

          Well, thank you for your point of view. You and I have different views, that’s all. I’m not about being judgmental of others and preaching “the word” to them as if they’ve never had access to it.

          • Winston

            It’s not really about judging anyone or preaching to anyone. It is about what the truth is. . .period. Would you really call it judging if you knew someone had murdered someone and you referred to him or her as a murderer knowing that murder is against God’s law, no shades of gray? I’m not judging. I’m not preaching. A person either complies with God’s laws or they don’t. There is no in between or shades of the truth.

            With your reasoning, we are not allowed to assess behavior in order to even figure out how we need to discipline ourselves? We are all sinners.

          • mcbee555

            In other words and to make it brief, if everyone would only know the truth as you know it, it would be a better world in your opinion.
            No further discussion necessary, I get the point you try to make.
            Further palaver is not necessary. Case closed.

          • shirleyanne12

            TRUTH, is what the Bible SAYS..
            Let God be True, & every man a Liar!!!

          • krowbro

            The Bible does speak the truth, but how do you account for differing intepretations? By what authority does one claim accuracy of an interpretation that differs from another? How can one be sure that he is guided by the Holy Spirit in his interpretation when the other claims the same? It seems to me that Jesus would have established and earthly authority to resolve such issues.

          • shirleyanne12

            Much study..

            I spend more than 14 hours in God’s Word…

            The Ruach(God’s Spirit) is My ”Filtration system!”

            Jeremiah 33:3

            Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

            3 ‘Call out to me,
            and I will answer you —
            I will tell you great things,
            hidden things of which you are unaware.’”

            Heb. 4:12. For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a DISCERNER of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

          • krowbro

            Maybe you should get out more.

          • shirleyanne12

            Remain IN & OF the world!!!
            Choice >>>> Choose this day whom you will serve.

          • krowbro

            I serve God, but even Jesus spent time with people. I’m pretty sure that Jesus does not expect nor want us to bury our noses in the Bible for fourteen hours a day. I’m sure he’d prefer we spread the Word to others.

          • shirleyanne12

            I only sleep for 6 hours..
            Do the Math..
            Do you EVEN Know what I DO FOR THE REST???
            Stop your NON Sensical Deductional reasoning!!!
            I Teach Torah!!!!

          • krowbro

            Cool, God bless you.

          • shirleyanne12

            Shabbat shalom to you and your family (mishpocha)

          • shirleyanne12

            Isaiah 56:6-7

            Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

            6 “And the foreigners who join themselves to Adonai
            to serve him, to love the name of Adonai,
            and to be his workers,
            all who keep Shabbat and do not profane it,
            and hold fast to my covenant,
            7 I will bring them to my holy mountain
            and make them joyful in my house of prayer;
            their burnt offerings and sacrifices
            will be accepted on my altar;
            for my house will be called
            a house of prayer for all peoples.”

          • shirleyanne12

            Jeremiah 16:19

            King James Version (KJV)

            19 O Lord, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our FATHERS have inherited LIES, vanity, and things wherein there is NO PROFIT.

          • Mariamante

            I believe everything the bible says is true. God said His most important commandment is to love one another. So when I see lost souls, I know I have to see them through God’s loving eyes and know that if it weren’t for God’s grace of wisdom, family, whatever… I, you, or someone we love, could easilly be that lost deceived soul. Our Father is a loving merciful Father who loves us ALL no matter what. That is what we need to remember the most. God’s laws are simply meant to protect us, because He loves us.

          • Winston

            I have no right to place judgment on someone but we are required by the Word of God to counsel brethren when they have clearly sinned and we are required to spread the gospel, my friend. I sometimes get passionate with my beliefs but I love humanity, right or wrong. I would love to see all get saved. Sometimes I get angry with myself because I don’t know how to help.

        • Mariamante

          The difference is that we are not Jesus. If a man really understands who Jesus is, and how we all fail in comparison, we will walk humbly all the days of our lives. Our Father loves humility. Leave the judgement and condemnation of individuals up to Jesus. For modern moral issues I trust my church for direction, can’t say it had EVER been wrong, especially with issues I (at some point) disagreed with the most.

          • Winston

            I am not judging or condemning. The Bible seems to be clear about what is right and what is wrong. The Book calls us to refer to it for correction and reproof. Also calls us to counsel sinners. I don’t use it to elevate myself above others as I am fully aware of my life’s sins and how small I am in the eyes of God.

          • sumsrent

            Nicely said…

          • rayzzor

            Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. 14 For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

            15 The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:

            16 “This is the covenant I will make with them
            after that time, says the Lord.
            I will put my laws in their hearts,
            and I will write them on their minds.”

            17 Then he adds:

            “Their sins and lawless acts
            I will remember no more.”

            18 And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.

            Hebrews 10:11-18 NIV

          • Prudent

            your right she is WRONG! not a time to be a coward right?

          • mcbee555

            Well said, Winston. I think where man can possibly go wrong, and I stress “possibly,” is at the point of undertaking the counseling of another that is seen or believed to be a sinner.
            Here is where the burden falls not only on a would-be sinner, but upon one assuming the responsibility of counseling.
            The Bible does delineate right from wrong and time taken for correction and reproof falls upon the individual, if that individual is so disposed. Absent the will to mend ways,

          • Prudent

            O!HECK than why do we NEED LAWYERS and JUDGES(are they not judging to do the right thing) ?WELL GODS children have a RIGHT to stand up to FALSE DOCTRINE of ANY KIND actully we don’t dont need them now because this is what Father says in the end days to them > BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT UPHOLDING HIS LAWS >>> WOE unto you lawyers , woe unto you judges WOE! WOE! WOE! along with FALSE preachers, pharmaceutical (witch doctors)!,

          • Winston

            “Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!” — Isaiah 5:20

          • Prudent

            IF IT BE POSSIBLE!, it is not always possible!

        • Prudent

          GO BOLDLY LIKE a JUNK YARD DOG or SATAN will EAT YOU FOR LUNCH

          • Winston

            Yes, I believe you are correct but that advice is the same for our trials with another human. Anyone will eat you for lunch if you let them. Must call on the blood of the Lamb to keep satan away. I work at this every day so I can live my life as well as I can. Jesus knows it is not easy for us and knows we could never resist satan without Him. Satan is far too devious for us but we have to let that sick spirit know we will fight him.

      • Prudent

        SPIRITUAL DISCERNMENT IS ALLOWED to uphold the LAWS of GOD you MUST JUDGE >>>> RIGHT or WRONG can’t have BOTH ! LUKEWARM he will spit out of HIS MOUTH. But JUDGEMENT the ultimate judgement belongs to the FATHER

      • shoebat

        And what would you want us to tolerate mcbee555? But before you answer, please tell me, what did non-Christians tolerate us? Show me one movement that was not Christian that tolerated Christianity.

        • mcbee555

          I’m sorry, but I don’t understand how you put your question.
          “what did non-Christians tolerate us?” That seems to be your question, perhaps a word or two are missing which makes it difficult for me to comprehend you.
          I believe the title of this thread is originally regarding Catholics, therefore if you’re alluding to any non-Christians, I can answer this to you; I do not wish to cite any non-Christian attitudes towards us. Perhaps since you know the question you meant to type, you can answer what you asked me about non-Christians and then we’ll all know what you’re looking for.

    • http://codephined.com/ codephined

      You have no clue what you’re talking about, buddy.

    • Flashbang

      excellent post . Beware the Black robes.

    • Mariamante

      You are NOT a real Catholic Winston, even if you think you are. Being Catholic isn’t just a cultural norm you are born into. You are acting outside of the church. If you are not honoring church beliefs you are a heretic. That is official church dogma. It’s not as bad as it sounds, there are thousands like you who call themselves Catholics but rationalize the perceived, or real wrong doing of others, to do whatever they want. It’s human nature. I’m sure your kids do it too. You can lie to yourself, but you can’t lie to God. So either straighten yourself out, or change religions.

    • Apolloone

      I wont try and quote the exact Scriptures but God shows us and compares His followers to a married woman that married woman that only has sexual relations with her husband, but when she commits adultery then she becomes a whore, likewise only God is speaking of Spiritual whoredom . My point is this, just like a married woman who cannot commit adultery
      with anyone but her husband, so it’s the same with Gods people they must first be God’s people in order to become a whore

    • Mariamante

      If you don’t follow the teachings of the church, you are not Catholic. That is official church doctrine. Fortunately we have church doctrine so not just any Tom, Dick, or convict, can come along and teach whatever they want. Lack of doctrine is why Christianity has over 2,000 different churches each with their own version of their “pope” or leader. There are more and more popping up every day. I’m very happy with my church and don’t feel a need to bad mouth anybody. Real Catholics won’t nastily bad mouth other religions, or their own, no matter how bizarre they may be. There are plenty of guilty Catholics and other christians who feel better about their own offenses to God, by pointing a finger at the church, the priests, and parishioners faults as if that gives them carte blanche to do whatever they want. That is what their children will do to them, and that is an even worse price to pay. Children pay the price for the sins of the parents, and that is a guilt I personally could not live with.

    • shoebat

      Winston, would it not be better instead of saying that the Catholic Church did evil, is to post one evil they did and back it up with historic reference to enlighten us and edify the body?

      • Winston

        Perhaps your studies should include researching the history of the Vatican and how it was never a designated church by Christ as they claim. This history is not a secret and is easy to find. Stop reading books the Catholic Church writes about themselves. I spent 59 years in the Catholic Church and 12 years in primary and secondary parochial schools. I know EXACTLY what its doctrine/dogma is and how anti biblical most of it is. Make sure you include the history of many, many of the popes and what vile creatures they were.

        Check out the “Donation of Constantine” as well. Constantine was the consummate politician and used Christ’s church to bring the people together, blending pagan traditions, like the winter festival (December 25).

        No where in the Bible does it say that Mary was sinless, spent her entire life as a virgin, or that she herself was an immaculate conception. Actually, the Bible has only a scant few verses about the Blessed Mother. We all agree she is blessed among women to be chosen, but she is only human, not divine and was never assumed into heaven. The Catholic Church is glorifying the pagan “Queen of Heaven” masquerading it as the Blessed Mother. You can read more about this pagan women in Jeremiah. She is probably Semiramis.

        The signs and symbols are an abomination as well. The obelisk which faces St. Peter’s dome are pagan symbols, representing the phallus of Osiris and the womb of Isis. There is a matching design in Washington, D.C. Two peas in a pod.

        What about the military arm, the Jesuits, and all the chaos they’ve caused in controlling governments to wield control for the Vatican. They infiltrate every organization on the earth to impose the popes control. There is so much to read on this issue. Have you ever read their oath? It is terrifying what they are willing to do for control of the pope. There is an undisclosed agenda with Georgetown University and it’s proximity to the White House.

        What about celibacy and eating no meat on special days: “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, [and commanding] to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.” — 1 Timothy 4:1-43

        Jesus believe that “For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.” — Matthew 18:20 For the Catholic Church to teach that they are the only church that offers salvation is ludicrous, especially given its track record. We were told this every day in school during religion class.

        It’s traditions are the traditions of man and paganism, not that of Jesus Christ. Check out the mitre which came from pagans, Egyptian pharaohs. Jesus Christ was a humble, simple man. The Catholic Church is the absolute antithesis of the example of Christ.

        “And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” — Matthew 16:18 The Catholic Church uses verses to its advantage as they tell all that this verse established the Catholic Church but nothing could be further from the truth. I believe this verse is misunderstood by most as the Bible has several others verses referring to Jesus Christ as the “rock” or “cornerstone.” As you know when something seems unclear, the Bible is the best way to interpret itself. Jesus is the rock, not Peter. Peter himself only referred to himself as a man (see Acts 10) and let’s not forget how he betrayed Jesus 3 times before the cock crowed.

        However, the honest and objective student of the Scriptures and history soon discovers that the foundation of the Roman church is none other than the pagan mystery religion of ancient Babylon. If you want to delude yourself, you are free to do so but sure wish you would do the requisite research and free yourself from the bonds of satan.

        Need I go on about the amount of death and persecution of true orthodox Christians and Jews caused by the Vatican? Are you aware of the Vatican’s involvement of the genocide that occurred in both world wars thus far? You need to do valid research and quit reading propaganda material.
        How about the evil perpetrated throughout the dark ages by the Vatican?

        The Bible authorizes no priests or popes to preside over his church. Jesus is our High Priest. I’m not even going to get into the Mass and the eucharist. Perhaps you are misinterpreting the Bible? I mean no harm. Believe it or not, I do care what you believe. In a short time, we Christians will need each other desperately. Best of luck to you.

  • verbracity

    We must remember that GOD even used really evil nations to discipline HIS chosen. While there is no doubt that GOD used the catholics it does not prove they are HIS own *AS A GROUP*.
    The simple fact is that the vast VAST majority off those who call themselves catholic have never asked Christ into their hearts, have never made HIM LORD of their lives, haver never followed him in Biblical baptism, etc etc. Many, perhaps most, never even pray to CHRIST as the word dictates, rather they pray to Mary etc.
    Three popes back John Paul (from Poland) was clearly a man who feared and served GOD and the current man is one convinced his wisdom is above GOD’s word.
    My 1st pastor was Fr Frank Corbett who said this at the start of every single sermon, “I was a catholic priest for 40 yrs before I met CHRIST and was saved.”
    The very best studies on real Christianity estimates about 10% of those who claim to be saved are really GOD’s. I’m sure it’s at least this bad amongst the catholics.

  • Tony Capo

    Priests rape boys: an air-tight, three word case against the Catholic church. The Catholic Church is the largest, most well-funded and organized pedophile group in the history of man! No further proof need be given on the Judgment Day against every single person of authority in that monstrous organization of perverts. The case is as open and shut as a murder case where the murder is actually witnessed by the judge and jury themselves.

    • Mary2333

      And Protestant ministers were “exposed” by the media around the same time as all being adulterers. There ARE sinners in the church, in ALL denominations. But, we cannot judge the whole church by a few sinners and we have to stop defining the church by what the MEDIA says it is.

      • Tony Capo

        Priests Rape Boys: an
        air-tight, three word case against the Catholic church. The
        Catholic Church is the largest, most well-funded and
        organized pedophile group in the history of man! No further
        proof need be given on the Judgment Day against every single
        person of authority in that monstrous organization of perverts. The
        case is as open and shut as a murder case where the murder is
        actually witnessed by the judge and jury themselves.

        • Mary2333

          You are not God that you can condemn anyone, let along the Catholic church! You are also no attorney or judge as evidenced by your declaration regarding the evidence. There may have been priests who committed such crimes (as there may also have been Protestant pedophiles), but they were less than one percent of priests. All priests are not pedophiles, just as all Protestant ministers are not adulterers.

        • Mary2333

          You are NOBODY’S judge and how dare you condemn Jesus’ entire church! Shame on you. There are sinners everywhere. There are Liberal useful idiots who are pedophiles, which is a great sin (as Popes have declared), but that does not “prove” anything against the Catholic church. There have been many, many holy Catholic priests in the last two thousand years.

          • Tony Capo

            priests rape boys :see above

          • Tony Capo

            Get real. get a clue the pedophile whore house is a criminal orginization and not the Church of Jesus Christ. No pedos in Christs Church.

          • Mary2333

            The strategy of Liberal useful idiots (coined by Lenin) is to provoke with nasty comments, childish name-calling, personal attacks and shrieking, “Nah-ah! Nah-ah!” because they have no real arguments.

      • Tony Capo

        not to the extent of the pedophile whore house catholic church.

        • Mary2333

          Wow, you must think you are Captain Pickard to merely say something to make it so…

          • Tony Capo

            and jsut for the record Mary wasnt a virgin. She had SEX with JOSEPH and had more children. #idolatry

          • Mary2333

            Yes, she was, just as the Biblical prophesy said. Joseph was a widower and had other children, that’s history. Also, in Biblical times, family ties were very important and cousins were considered close family, the word translated for brothers could very well have meant cousins.

          • Tony Capo

            You mean ”history” from the point of view of the pedophile whore catholic Church. that is not history. That is not Bible NEVER>

          • Mary2333

            No, the Bible says Mary conceived BEFORE Joseph knew her, it was saying Mary had not had sex with Joseph when she conceived Jesus. The Bible never says she had sex with Joseph after she conceived.

            That is what is wrong with the Protestant solo scriptora doctrine, it teaches the Bible can be used however anyone wants to interpret it, even ignoring the very words of Jesus (“This is my body,” “If you do not eat my flesh and drink my blood you do not have life in you,” etc.) The Catholic church has the Apostolic Tradition and the Magisterium of Jesus’ church (i.e., the Holy Spirit) to guide it.

          • Tony Capo

            Right. So tell me WHY you think Joseph and Mary never consummated their marriage. What you are trying to do is make Mary sinless and that is not true. She was a sinner as all men are. Jesus also said he was a door. was that literal ? No , neither was it literal when he said I am the bread of life.

          • Mary2333

            It is called Apostolic Tradition. The Bible says that Jesus taught his Apostles privately (an example was his explaining parables he told to the people at large). Jesus did not leave us a book, he left that up to his Apostles. The Apostolic Tradition is preserved by the Catholic church. It consists of the seven sacraments, facts about Mary, the hierarchy of the church, etc. The first Council of the church is in the Book of Acts, wherein Peter as Pope had the final decision, and that is how the Catholic church functions still.

          • Tony Capo

            Read Foxes book of martyrs and then talk to be about the catholic pedophile machine.

          • Mary2333

            Read the Bible, specifically the Book of Acts, and the Rule of St. Ignatius, the Rule of St. Benedict, books by St. Augustine, all the books written by saints (known to be in heaven by confirming miracles who had heroic faith), listen to Father Malachi Martin (on youtube) and you might just get a clue about the Catholic church.

          • Mary2333

            Yes, it was literal. He said that those who don’t eat his body and drink his blood do not have life in them. He said, “This is my body.” It’s like when a chair is made from wood and it is a chair, but remains being wood. It’s a continuation and fulfillment of the Paschal lamb sacrifice of the Old Testament.

          • Mary2333

            No, the Bible says that Mary conceived Jesus before she knew Joseph. It thus makes the point that Mary did not have sex with Joseph, that Jesus was not the biological son of Joseph.

          • Tony Capo

            What you are trying to do is make Mary sinless and she was not.

          • Mary2333

            Wow, you really do think you are god. You are not.

          • Mary2333

            Again, you are nobody’s judge and the oral traditions of the Apostles has exponentially more weight.

          • Tony Capo

            Vatican Facing UN Showdown on Sex Abuse Record

            VATICAN CITY January 15, 2014 (AP)

          • Mary2333

            Yeah, as if the U.N. (controlled by the largest voting block of 56 Islamic nations and the PLO) and the Associated Press are the moral authority of the world…

          • Mary2333

            One of the Ten Commandments is to honor your mother. Be careful about dishonoring Jesus’ mother.

          • Tony Capo

            telling the truth is not dishonor you silly. Mary was a sinner in need of a savior like all men. What cause have you to say she married and lived with Joseph for so many years and never consummated the marriage. Absurd.

          • Mary2333

            Jesus said, “This is your mother” from the cross. Be careful about dishonoring Jesus’ mother and our Christian mother. The Apostles taught (part of that oral tradition spoken of in the Bible, which the Catholic church preserves) that Mary was a perpetual virgin. In those days they had such things as unconsummated marriage, it is what the Paul refers to when it talks about “marrying your virgin.”

          • Tony Capo

            honor , not worship ,. you idolator.

          • Mary2333

            The Catholic church has NEVER encouraged worship of Mary, you ignoramus. We honor her as Jesus’ mother and the one closest to him.

          • Tony Capo

            Yes the catholics worship Mary ,they worship the saints, the statues the cup the gold the candles the graven images You even bend over and kiss that old perverts ring. . Catholic cult is cursed.

          • Mary2333

            No, they don’t. That is all ignorant, malicious lies. You have cursed yourself.

          • Tony Capo

            they worship Mary
            far more than they worship even the Lord Jesus Christ and far more than
            they worship the true and living God. It is idolatry in the clearest
            form.

          • Mary2333

            LOL You ignoramus. That is the ignorant, hateful, empty rhetoric (i.e., lie) of Liberal Progressives. Mary is not worshiped but honored (unlike the way you dishonor her, cursing yourself) as the mother of God and our mother. From the cross Jesus said, “Here is your mother.” The Apostles taught (Apostolic Tradition) that Mary was from that time considered the mother of all Christians. All the early Church Fathers confirmed that.

          • Tony Capo

            give it up. You pray to a graven image. Youre going to hell.

          • Mary2333

            Grow up. (And in condemning others you, as JESUS said are “liable to Gehenna…”)

          • Mary2333

            Catholics do NOT worship statues, you ignoramus.

          • Tony Capo

            Deu 18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
            Deu 18:12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD:
            MARY IS DEAD, praying to her is an abomination;

          • Mary2333

            Mary is in heaven with her son. The saints are, as the Bible calls it, “asleep in the Lord.” Mary has visited with people in spirit all through the history of Jesus’ church. The miracle of Fatima (1917) which was foretold by such a visitation was seen by over 70,000 people.

            You ignoramus. Prayer means conversation.

            Luke 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

            Elizabeth knew who Mary was, the Holy Spirit told her, and she was respectful…

          • Tony Capo

            you aint foolin me. I went to catholic school. There are graven images of Mary every friggin where.

          • Mary2333

            You obviously did NOT pay attention in religion class…

            1 Chronicles) 28:18 And for the altar of incense, he gave the purest gold: and to make the likeness of the chariot of the cherubims spreading their wings, and covering the ark of the covenant of the Lord.

            Making statues is not idol worship. The Catholic church NEVER advocated worshipping statues. Statues of the Jesus, Mary, the saint were made in honor of them and to remind us of them.

          • Tony Capo

            Your statues of your goddess is stupid , deaf and dumb and you re like her.
            Psa 115:4 Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men’s hands.
            Psa 115:5 They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not:
            Psa 115:6 They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not:
            Psa 115:7 They have hands, but they handle not: feet have they, but they walk not: neither speak they through their throat.
            Psa 115:8 They that make them are like unto them; so is every one that trusteth in them.

          • Mary2333

            1 Chronicles) 28:18 And for the altar of incense, he gave the purest gold: and to make the likeness of the chariot of the cherubims spreading their wings, and covering the ark of the covenant of the Lord.

            Statues of two angels were made and put over the Ark of the Covenant…

          • Tony Capo

            cherubims were made as per GODS commandment and they did not kneel down to them like catholics kneel before graven images of mary.. God specifically forbids graven images in the commandments. Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image,…. An image of anything graven by art or man’s device, cut out of wood of stone, and so anything that was molten, or cast into a mould or form, engraved by men, and this in order to be worshipped; for otherwise images of things might be made for other uses and purposes, as the cherubim over the mercy seat, and the brazen serpent, and images and impressions on coin,

          • Mary2333

            Yes, GOD told them to make two STATUES to put on the Ark of the Covenant. God Himself guarded the honor given to the Ark, striking down dead anyone who touched it who was not authorized. Mary is the Ark of the Covenant (Jesus) of the New Covenant and is honored as God’s mother and our mother (as Jesus Himself said from the cross). She is closest to her son and can pray for us. God revealed Himself to us as an almighty, loving father. He wants us to be a family in him, and He gave us a mother we can ask to pray for us.

          • Tony Capo

            heresy: You will remember that Pope John Paul II when he was shot kept crying, “Mary, save me…Mary, save me…Mary, save me.” And why call upon the Lord?

            In Psalm 116, “I love the Lord because He hears my voice and my supplications. Because He has inclined His ear to me, therefore I shall call upon Him as long as I live.” I don’t need another God. I don’t need a mediator. I don’t need an intermediary. I don’t need someone to plead my case before God. Even in the direst circumstance, verse 3, “The cords of death encompassed me, the terrors of Sheol came me; I found distress and sorrow. Then I called upon the name of the Lord: ‘O Lord, I beseech Thee, save my life!’”

            NO where are you told to ask any dead person to pray for you. thats necromancy.

          • Mary2333

            He was asking Mary to pray for him. Many men call for their mothers when they are seriously hurt.

            YOU obviously need all the help you can get…

            Those in heaven are not dead. Jesus referred to those who had died but were in heaven as being “asleep.” The Apostolic Tradition calls the family of God as the “communion of the saints” wherein those in heaven are with God and can pray for us. The whole “saint” process is a confirmation that they are in heaven by way of several miracles through their intercession.

          • Tony Capo

            you is a fruitcake. NO WHERE in scripture do you see any men of God calling on their mommys. they call on GOD. you foolish thing.

          • Mary2333

            Grow up.

            James 5:16 Confess therefore your sins one to another: and pray one for another, that you may be saved. For the continual prayer of a just man availeth much.

          • Tony Capo

            not speaking of the dead/ stop your necromancy.

          • Mary2333

            Stop your childish, ignorant rantings.

          • Mary2333

            Judith 8:29 Now therefore pray for us, for thou art a holy woman, and one fearing God.

          • Tony Capo

            Judith wsnt dead you nut. Stop trying to twist the scriptures to defend what GOD says is an abomination.

          • Mary2333

            Mary is in heaven (according to the Apostles) and can pray for us. Stop trying to use the Scriptures to make perverted, convoluted, Liberal Progressive rhetoric.

          • Tony Capo

            asked and answered. blasphemous heresy. You twist the word to say it does not mean what its says. Deu 18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wyzard, or a Necromancer. 1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

          • Mary2333

            No, you are the heretic and the blasphemer, ignoring the Scriptures (that you don’t like) and proclaiming your own doctrine. Your personal doctrines are sick.

          • Tony Capo

            So what you have
            with Mary is just another form of paganism that swept into the church,
            mixed itself with Christianity. It is nothing but goddess worship.

          • Mary2333

            Christianity REPLACED paganism, replacing pagan rituals and holidays with Christian ones. Again, you show yourself to just be another hateful, ignorant Liberal Progressive spewing empty rhetoric.

          • Tony Capo

            idolatry is not christian you heretic.

          • Mary2333

            I explained to you over and over that the Catholic church has never worshiped Mary and I don’t worship Mary. You are the heretic.

          • Tony Capo

            and I told you that you have replaced
            Mary of the Bible with a godess. thats idolatry and heresy.

          • Mary2333

            Even if you think you are, you are not Captain Pickard. Saying something does NOT make it so.

          • Tony Capo

            For the last time GET OUT of that pedophile whore house full of murder and idolatry. Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

          • Mary2333

            The Catholic church is the ONLY Christian church started and established by JESUS HIMSELF. All Protestant churches were founded by single men who did not like Jesus’ church and thought they knew better. Martin Luther threw out seven books of the Bible because they referred to Catholic dogmas that he personally did not like. King James made himself the head of the church (instead of the Pope) so he could divorce his wife. And so on and so on…

          • Tony Capo

            asleep=dead,

          • Mary2333

            1 Thessalonians 4:12 And we will not have you ignorant, brethren, concerning them that are asleep, that you be not sorrowful, even as others who have no hope.

          • Tony Capo

            its necromancy. its witch craft to pray to the dead. asleep is dead. give it up idolator.

          • Mary2333

            Wow. You think you are one of the Apostles!

            Matthew 9:24 He said: Give place, for the girl is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him [Jesus] to scorn.

          • Tony Capo

            Psa 3:8 Salvation belongeth unto the Lord,…. As the author of it; temporal salvation is of him; all the deliverances of the saints out of their troubles are from him; and to him is owing their spiritual and eternal salvation; this belongs to Jehovah, Father, Son, and Spirit: Jehovah the Father NOT MARY

          • Mary2333

            YOU are the one trying to say Mary is worshiped above God. The Catholic church has NEVER taught that. You obviously have never read the Catechism of the Catholic Church. You are just some ignorant Liberal Progressive who hates what he has no clue about.

          • Tony Capo

            the Roman
            Catholic Church teaches that Mary had more righteousness than she needed
            to get into heaven. She had more merit than was required and so her
            excess merit was deposited in what is called “The Treasury of Merit,”
            and you can take the merit that Mary gained and deposit it there and
            have it applied to your life as a Roman Catholic so that it can shorten
            or eliminate earthly discipline, or more importantly, it can shorten
            your time in Purgatory. This is the doctrine of The Treasury of Merit,
            the doctrine of Indulgences, or Absolution. You receive a certain
            amount of forgiveness by the merit or the righteousness of Mary being
            imputed to you in life and in Purgatory. Her good works, the good works
            of the Blessed Virgin are in the Treasury of Merit. Roman Catholic
            theology, you’ll remember, says that Treasury of Merit includes the good
            works of the Virgin, immense and unfathomable and pristine in their
            value before God.

            Inventing this goddess who has nothing to do
            with the true Mary of actual history, the mother of Jesus, inventing
            this goddess and giving her powers of mediation of all graces, giving
            her powers of redemption, and giving her powers of imputed righteousness
            to the accounts of those who appeal to her is a fabrication. It is, as
            I said, the inventing of a goddess by the mingling of paganism and
            Gnosticism with Christianity. It really all is paganism and all is
            Gnosticism, only the name Mary is borrowed from Christianity.

          • Mary2333

            Wow. You REALLY didn’t pay attention in religion class (or lied about going to Catholic school) or you have never read the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Mary gained merit, just as we can, through Jesus. Jesus talked about us receiving rewards from the Father according to our faith and our actions. The Apostles taught that Mary was the most holy person besides her Son. Elijah was so good that God took him alive up to heaven, and you don’t disparage him. You must be just a male chauvinist.

          • Tony Capo

            the goddess mary is a form of feminism. no wonder all the priests are f@gs and the woman are dykes. No wonder you think Ima male chauvanist.

          • Mary2333

            You are just talking to hear your head rattle. Grow up.

          • Tony Capo

            Psa 97:7 Confounded be all they that serve graven images, that boast themselves of idols:

          • Mary2333

            Exodus 21:17 He that curseth his father, or mother, shall die the death.

          • Tony Capo

            Verse 47,
            “Someone comes through the mob scene,” and Mark makes it particularly a
            dense crowd, Mark 3, “Someone says to Him, ‘Behold, Your mother and Your
            brothers are standing outside seeking to speak to You.’” That would be
            like me preaching and somebody coming in and saying, “Hey, John, your
            mother wants you.” Really! This is probably not a good time to go,
            whatever it is she wants. But that’s essentially what happened. And He
            responded by this same kind of language that we saw at the age of
            twelve and at the beginning of His miracle ministry, He answered the one
            who was telling Him and said, “Who is My mother and My brothers?” Now,
            He is not just saying…Look…you have to understand, I have a
            heavenly Father and I have to be doing His business. He’s not just
            saying I am no longer going to do what you tell Me, He is now saying,
            You don’t have a singular claim to even being My mother. Those
            relationships are really gone. And He stretched out His hand to the
            disciples and He said, “Behold, My mother and My brothers.”

            What
            does He mean by that? He means all those earthly family relationships
            are over. They’re over. And He goes on to say that. “Whoever…verse
            50…does the will of My Father who is in heaven, he is My brother and
            sister and mother.” The people who have a relationship to Me are the
            people who do the will of My Father. And, of course, the will of the
            Father is that you believe in the Son, right? “This is My beloved Son,
            hear Him.” Wow. Mary has gone from the heights of angelic revelation,
            the heights of virgin birth to the realization of her own sin in need of
            a Savior to a ceremony of purification which symbolized her sinfulness
            and need for cleansing, to being told by Jesus at age 12 that no longer
            was His family going to have the priority claim on His life, He had a
            different Father that He was going to serve, to being told you and I
            really have nothing in common anymore, to being told you do not have a
            unique relationship with Me at all. That’s all in the past.

          • Mary2333

            Keep disparaging Jesus’ mother and see what you get from God.

            Jesus was not putting His mother down, he was making a point that we are all the family of God through Him. He called Mary “Mother” from the cross. Of course, Jesus talked to the crowds in parables so as not to give pearls to swine…

          • Tony Capo

            As far as any
            explanation of the gospel goes, as far as any explanation of spiritual
            life goes, Mary plays no role. Paul writes the magnificent treatise on
            the doctrine of salvation called the book of Romans and all he can say
            about the mother of Jesus is “A descendant of David.” He writes the
            great treatise, Galatians, on the pure and true and only gospel and all
            he can say is, “He was born of a woman.” Scripture says nothing about
            her life. It says nothing about her later years. It says nothing about
            her death. It says nothing about her burial. Although there are reams
            of Catholic volumes that talk about the life of Mary, the experiences
            of Mary, the miracles of Mary, the death of Mary, etc., etc., etc. All
            fabrications, all lies, all either the invention of men or the invention
            of demons. The Bible gives no description of her character at all, no
            description of her physical appearance at all. There is no biblical
            example of anybody praying to her, honoring her, venerating her. When
            she appears with believers, she’s just one among many. And I think it’s
            got to be shocking to Roman Catholics who read the Bible for the first
            time and most don’t ever read it. But for those who do, how surprising
            it is that so little is said about Mary when in the system so much is
            said about her…so much. There are, and I went through one list today,
            hundreds and hundreds, if not thousands of web sites on Mary, taking
            you down every imaginable trail into the fantasy of Mary worship.

          • Mary2333

            You really are an ignoramus and have no idea what you are ranting about.

          • Tony Capo

            Your godess you call Mary has nothing to do with the Mary of scripture.

          • Mary2333

            You obviously pick and choose the Scriptures according to your empty rhetoric.

          • Tony Capo

            You shall
            have no other gods before Me. You shall not make for yourself an idol
            or any likeness of what is in heaven above, or on the earth beneath or
            in the water under the earth, you shall not worship them or serve them,
            for I the Lord your God am a jealous God.”

            Chapter 6 verse 13,
            “You shall fear only the Lord your God. You shall worship Him and swear
            by His name. You shall not follow other gods, any of the gods of the
            peoples who surround you for the Lord your God in the midst of you is a
            jealous God, otherwise the anger of the Lord your God will be kindled
            against you and He will wipe you off the face of the earth. You shall
            not put the Lord your God to the test.” Don’t test God’s patience with
            idol worship.

          • Mary2333

            Exodus 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother, that thou mayest be longlived upon the land which the Lord thy God will give thee.

            Exodus 21:17 He that curseth his father, or mother, shall die the death.

            Again, Catholics do not worship Mary, but honor her as God’s mother and, as Jesus said from the cross, our mother in the body of Christ.

          • Tony Capo

            Mary is not my mother you screw ball.

          • Mary2333

            I can tell…

          • Tony Capo

            Mary was the mother of Christ, and his brothers. Not of God the father , not of the church and certianly not mine . more unscriptural horse shit. The ONLY head of the Church is CHRIST.

          • Mary2333

            The Catholic church has never said Mary is the head of the church, you ignoramus. Jesus did say that Peter was the rock of his church though. Of course, heretics like to disparage his role as Pope too.

          • Tony Capo

            Roman
            Catholicism has nothing to do with true Christianity, the true church.
            It is something completely different, it belongs to the kingdom of
            darkness.

          • Mary2333

            Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye when they shall revile you, and persecute you, and speak all that is evil against you, untruly, for my sake:

            The Catholic church is the ONLY Christian church founded by Jesus Himself. Peter was the first Pope. When he died the other Apostles chose his successor (and the other Apostles, who were bishops), down to the present Pope.

          • Tony Capo

            peter did not call on mary for salvation like your pervert pope. so NO , he is not peters sucessor.

          • Mary2333

            He is the 265th Pope since Peter. (Facts ellude hateful Liberal Progressives spouting empty rhetoric) Jesus set up the hierarchy of His church. If you don’t like it, that is your problem.

          • Tony Capo

            F@G PIMP POPE

          • Mary2333

            You are acting mentally ill.

          • Tony Capo

            Im not the one worshipping devils.

          • Mary2333

            You are hateful and spew all kinds of lies about things you don’t understand.

            1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil. Whosoever is not just, is not of God, nor he that loveth not his brother.

          • Tony Capo

            You worship devils. and practice necromancy.

          • Mary2333

            No, apparently that is you.

          • Tony Capo

            youre losing it. You cant even type a complete sentence. IDOL WORSHIPPER.

          • Mary2333

            No, my sentences are fine. The Liberal Progressive useful idiot/satan minion strategy of provocation does not change the catechism of the Catholic church…

          • Tony Capo

            Christ is the head of the chruch not your godess mary or your pervert pope.

          • Mary2333

            Jesus is the head, Mary is His mother and ours (as Jesus said from the cross), and the Pope is Peter’s successor. Jesus did not found a democracy, He set up a hiearchy in His church. You have rejected the church Jesus set up and revile it.

          • Tony Capo

            The pope is not peters successor. The whore catholic church lost its candlestick when they started murdering the saints of God for greedy lucre sake – probably before. the rock that Christ built his Church on is Peters faith. Jesus said whereever two or more are gathered in his name – he is there. The pews of the catholic church are full of divorced and remarried adulterers and fornicators and led by raping priests. Christ is not there . Satan is. I already told you the pope called on MARY, a dead woman to save him when he was shot. That is NOT what peter did. so NO the idolatrous pervert pope is not a successor of peter who said: Mat 16:16 Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. Damn straignt I reject any system who replaces faith in God with faith in a goddess. A leper colony run by murderers and perverts. I attend a church of Godly men and woman. the real true Chruch of Jesus Christ. No perverts there- no statues of mary , no graven images.

          • Mary2333

            You have no understanding or facts or sense. Jesus said to stop judging by appearances and judge rightly. But, your true intentions show through.

            James 3:17 But the wisdom, that is from above, first indeed is chaste, then peaceable, modest, easy to be persuaded, consenting to the good, full of mercy and good fruits, without judging, without dissimulation.

          • Tony Capo

            STOP worshipping idols

          • Mary2333

            I worship God, I honor Mary and the saints and love the church.
            You need to stop worshiping satan by your hatred.

          • Tony Capo

            Inventing this goddess who has nothing to do with the true Mary of actual history, the mother of Jesus, inventing this goddess and giving her powers of mediation of all graces, giving her powers of redemption, and giving her powers of imputed righteousness to the accounts of those who appeal to her is a fabrication.

          • Mary2333

            Actually, you are the one fabricating a goddess doctrine. You obviously know nothing about Christianity, let alone Catholicism.

          • Tony Capo

            “You obviously know nothing about Christianity” Says the one who quotes Ghandi and worships the queen of heaven Ishtar.

          • Mary2333

            Liberal Progressive useful idiots and satan’s minions pervert and twist and convolute the truth like you do.

          • Tony Capo

            blah blah . I got Bible you got the words of a raping priest- and a dead hindu.

          • Mary2333

            Wow. Just holding the Bible does not save your soul.

            1 John 4:20 If any man say, I love God, and hateth his brother; he is a liar. For he that loveth not his brother, whom he seeth, how can he love God, whom he seeth not?

          • Tony Capo

            You dont ‘honor’ Mary and the saints.. You pray to the dead. thats not honoring to God or anyone. its NECROMANCY.

          • Mary2333

            Quit masquerading as a Christian. You obviously don’t grasp the basic tenants of Christianity.

          • Tony Capo

            1Jn 5:21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

          • Mary2333

            Leviticus 20:9 He that curseth his father, or mother, dying let him die: he hath cursed his father, and mother, let his blood be upon him.

          • Tony Capo

            That does not say God loves the sinner and hates the sin. get off it. And get real . that does not apply to your goddess .

          • Mary2333

            Wow.

          • Tony Capo

            Still waiting.

          • Mary2333

            You obviously cannot or will not understand the Scriptures. They are lost on you (trampled underfoot…)

          • Tony Capo

            I have shown you what the scriptue says and YOU reject it. God does not love everyone because the word clearly states that he hated ESAU:Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. BANG! God does not want all men to repent the word clearly states that he has ordained certain men to condmenation:Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, BANG! and scripture repeatedly sttates that GOD gives men up to the lusts of thier hearts. Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, BANG! AND I am still waiting for BIBLE to back up your drivel that God hates the sin and loves the sinner. So unless you got some bible, please shut the hell up with your teachings of men and your sickening queen of heaven worship.

          • Mary2333

            The Scriptures are lost on you. Jesus spoke in parables and people like you will take them literally. The Old Testament is full of stories that, when read as a whole, give a picture of God that eludes you. You find a few passages that fit your personal, twisted interpretation and you think you can go around telling people that God hates them. Wow. I would hate to be you when you die.

          • Tony Capo

            Im still waiting for scripture to back up your lies that God hates the sin and loves the sinner. a ridiculous proposition since he casts the SINNER into hell. Only a complete idiot would call burning someone alive in hell for ever a love.

          • Tony Capo

            Admit it . What you believe and what you say is NOT NOT grounded in scripture. it is grounded upon the teachings of men. Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. _Christ.

          • Mary2333

            No, that is you. You ignore the very words of Jesus Himself in favor of your own doctrines.

          • Tony Capo

            still waiting. you can jabber all you want but you cant back up your garbage with scripture. Where does teh Bible say God loves the sinner and hates the sin. Until you admit that you cannot defend your crap from scripture this conversation is over.

          • Mary2333

            You obviously either cannot or will not understand Scripture. It is lost on you.

          • Tony Capo

            You havent given me any scripture liar. Just teachings of MEN and idol worship.

          • Mary2333

            You have been given too many Scriptures than you deserve, you just “trample them underfoot…”

          • Tony Capo

            I got BIBLE> God not only hates the wicked but goes even further to say he ABHORS them: Lev 20:23 And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.

            Guess you didnt read that one while you were bowing down to your goddess Ishtar the queen of heaven.

            Lets read that again. I ABHORRED THEM.

          • Tony Capo

            You are pathetic. You spend your life playing church, totally oblivious of what the word of God teaches and instead you listen to someone tell you what they think the bible says. If you had any regard for your soul for real you would study the scriptures and know them insided out. instead you quote Ghandi and try and twist scriptrues to justify praying to the dead. It is quite obvious that you could care less about the truth but prefer defending the raping priests, your godess and worship of the dead and your idiotic doctrine by quoting Ghandi. I have thoroughtly patiently shown you from scripture your error and it can only be your arrogant stubborn pride that makes you keep on. I have better things to do with my time. Unless you have a sincere scriptural position , which I doubt. since you dont know enough about the scripture to frame up a proper question I am going to cut you off. There is no more to be said. go back and see that I have pretty well thoroughly answerd all of your heresy from the word of God.

          • Mary2333

            You are pathetic. You interpret the Bible so that you can go around abusing people with your interpretation. You illustrate why Jesus left us a church hierarchy and Traditions.

          • Guest

            Traditions like raping boys. I dont thin so.

          • Tony Capo

            Dont accuse me of misinterpreting the Bible you lying witch. The words are plain as day. GOD HATES ALL WORKERS OF INIQUITY. it does not say he hates the iniquity and loves the worker. It says he ABHORs the bloody and deceitful man. How the HELL are you gonna try and twist that around and say God loves everyone. You are of your father the devil who was a liar and murderer from the beginning.

          • Tony Capo

            Stop quoting Ghandi a dead hindu and pretnding its christianity. or do you pray to Ghandi too/

          • Mary2333

            Stop pretending Mary is a pagan goddess and the Bible is from Ghandi. You do not realize how pathetic that is.

          • Tony Capo

            liar you call mary the mother of the church. The church has no mother you heretic. It has a Father.

          • Mary2333

            You revile the words of Jesus Himself from the cross. I would hate to be you when you die unrepentant.

          • Tony Capo

            Mary was not the mother of God – that is catholic pedophile heresy. Mary gave birth to the man Jesus Christ. He existed in eternity with God before the world began. Mary was born in sin like all men.

          • Mary2333

            You keep spouting hate (satan hates Mary too…) and ignore the Bible.

            Luke 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

          • Tony Capo

            God calls your idols an abomination. that means they are ODIOUS, hateful. yes. abbhorent.

          • Mary2333

            God hates lies (like you spread). God hates sin, but loves the sinner. God loves Mary, the mother of His son and our spiritual mother in Christ as Jesus proclaimed from the cross.

          • Tony Capo

            Now youre quoting Ghandi? yikes. God hates ALL workers of iniquity. Psalm 5:5 I told you to read the Bible

          • Mary2333

            You need to stop perverting the Bible to support your empty rhetoric and actually read the Bible yourself. (I was not quoting Ghandi. If you actually knew God and had read the Bible you would know that.)

          • Tony Capo

            you liar. where does the bible say God hates the sin and loves the sinner. You could care less what the Bible says it cause you prefer to listen to your f@ priest. Godhates ALL workers of iniquity . He abhors the bloody and decetiful MAN. Psalm 5:5

          • Mary2333

            You obviously have not read the Bible (you quote it like satan did in the Bible). You obviously ignore the very words of Jesus and completely miss His entire mission.

          • Tony Capo

            Well Im still waiting liar. Where does the Bible say God hates the sin and loves the sinner?

          • Mary2333

            You will never get it.

            2 Peter 3:9 The Lord delayeth not his promise, as some imagine, but dealeth
            patiently for your sake, not willing that any should perish, but that all should return to penance.

          • Tony Capo

            Peter is not talking to all mankind but to the believers. 2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, Now who is twistin scripture. You cannot find scripture to contradict the PLAIN WORDs that GOD HATES so act like an adult and admit you dont know what you are talking about. God hardens mens hearts so that they cannot repent. Joh 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. (guess you missed that one)

          • Mary2333

            You’ll never get the Scriptures, but you are a good illustration. Your literal interpretation of the few Scriptures that seem to back up your own personal interpretation/empty rhetoric, even ignoring the contradictory actions and words of Jesus Himself, illustrate the need for the Catholic church, which interprets the Bible according to the Apostolic Traditions (Apostles taught by Jesus personally). Of course, it is all lost on you, as are the Scriptures themselves. You find a few passages that talk about sin that God hates and you twist and pervert it to mean that you can go around telling people God hates them. Repent and turn to God for correction. Remember, the Bible says that two or more witnesses prove a fact, so you cannot just take out a single Scripture and twist it and pretend to be a Christian.

          • Tony Capo

            Peter is not talking to all mankind but to the believers. (2Pe 3:8 But,
            beloved,) Now who is twistin scripture. You cannot find scripture to
            contradict the PLAIN WORDs that GOD HATES so act like an adult and admit
            you dont know what you are talking about. God hardens mens hearts so
            that they cannot repent. Joh 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and
            hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor
            understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
            (guess you missed that one)

          • Mary2333

            The Scriptures are lost on you, but you are a good illustration for the need for the Catholic church. You take a few verses of the Bible talking about sins that God hates and twist it to mean you can go around telling people that God hates them. You ignore the very words of Jesus Himself which oppose your personal interpretation/empty rhetoric and condemn others as if you are a god yourself. You will never get it until you repent for your arrogance and hatred.

          • Tony Capo

            femnist witch.

          • Mary2333

            Don’t take the Lord’s name in vain pretending to be a Christian.

          • Tony Capo

            If I had the chance i would take a sledge hammer to your goddess mary

          • Mary2333

            What is wrong with you? Your petty perverting of Scripture and Catholic faith is pathetic.

          • Tony Capo

            no idols.

          • Mary2333

            Catholics don’t have idols, but statues and pictures to remind us of good examples of holiness.

          • Tony Capo

            liar , you pray the hail Mary. you either petition the dead which s necromancy or you say she is a god and you therefore blasphem God by worshipping other Gods.

          • Mary2333

            Luke 1:28 And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

            Luke 1:42 And she cried out with a loud voice, and said: Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.

            Luke 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

            John 19:27 After that, he saith to the disciple: Behold thy mother.

            Hail Mary:
            Hail, Mary, full of grace the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus. Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.

            Grow up and repent of your heretical disrespect.

          • Tony Capo

            There shall not be
            found among you anyone who makes his son or daughter pass through the
            fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who
            interprets omens or a sorcerer, or one who casts a spell or a medium, or
            a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead.” The worship of Mary is an
            ill-conceived effort to call up a dead woman. It’s also a partner with
            mediums, spiritists, spell casters, sorcerers, witches, diviners and all
            the rest. Verse 12, “For whoever does these things is detestable to
            the Lord and because of these detestable things the Lord your God will
            drive them out before you. You shall be blameless before the Lord your
            God.” It strikes you…it should strike you so obvious, there is not
            one single place in the Bible where it ever suggests we are to worship
            Mary and everywhere it is clearly stated we worship God and Him alone.
            So very obvious.

          • Mary2333

            The Catholic church has NEVER taught that Mary should be worshiped. (YOU are the one ignorantly saying that…)

          • Tony Capo

            you pray to a dead person. that is worship , petitioning the dead: “Therefore I will
            yet contend with you, declares the Lord. I have an argument with you,
            He says.” Down in verse 11, “Has a nation changed gods.” Have you
            changed gods? That’s what Roman Catholicism has done, changed gods.
            “Have you changed gods when they were not gods?” Have you substituted a
            non-god for God? “But My people have changed their glory…God being
            their glory…for that which doesn’t profit. Be appalled, O heavens, at
            this and shudder, be very desolate, declares the Lord, for My people
            have committed two evils. They have forsaken Me, the fountain of living
            waters, to hew for themselves cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold
            no water.” You abandoned God who alone is the fountain of living waters
            for goddess, a broken cistern that offers absolutely nothing…nothing.

          • Mary2333

            Your ignorance of basic Christian doctrine is appallingly evident. You show yourself to be an arrogant Liberal Progressive whose motto might as well be “I will be god!” You just want to disparage Jesus’ mother and abuse Christians.

          • Tony Capo

            God has given you over according to Romans one you changed the glory of the
            incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man, or
            woman.” That’s exactly what Romanism has done. And so God gave them
            over. This is a divine judgment that falls on that. “God gave them
            over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity that their bodies might be
            dishonored among them, for they exchanged the truth of God for a lie
            and worshiped and served the…what?…the creature, a woman, rather
            than the Creator who is blessed forever. Amen.

          • Mary2333

            Don’t pretend you love God.
            The Catholic church has never taught that Mary should be worshiped. She is honored as the mother of God and our (spiritual) mother as Jesus commanded from the cross. It is amazing how arrogant people only spout the Scriptures they like, even ignoring the words of Jesus Himself.

          • Tony Capo

            See your words “God AND.”.. you put mary the queen of heaven beside GOD. Dont deny it.
            Read the scripture, the queen of heaven is an IDOL.

            Isa 45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

          • Mary2333

            Shame on you for saying Jesus’ mother is a pagan god. I would hate to be when you die unrepentant. May God rebuke you.

          • Tony Capo

            The queen of heaven was an Idol long before Mary existed. Jer7:18 etc. That pagan goddess found its way into the catholic pedophile machine along with the other pagan practices of easter, xmas and valentines day etc. You just tacked marys name onto that goddess and pretend its christian. It is no relation to Mary the mother of Christ. You understand perfectly no matter how much you lie and pretend you dont. You just love your pagan idolatry and your raping f#ggot priests too much to tell the truth. No use talking to someone who pretends not to understand. GOD abhors the catholic pedophile idol factory and God hates you.

          • Mary2333

            lol You ignoramus. Christian ceremonies REPLACED pagan rituals, the Catholic church Christianized the world. Of course, hateful Liberal Progressives like yourself would destroy all of that.

          • Tony Capo

            Ephesians 5 verse
            5, “For this you know with certainty, no immoral or impure person or
            covetous man who is an idolater has any inheritance in the Kingdom of
            Christ and God.” If you worship a false God, you have no part in the
            Kingdom of Christ and the Kingdom of God…no part.
            Now go away from me . Teh word forbids us to associate with idolators.

          • Mary2333

            Shame on you for saying Jesus’ mother is a pagan idol. I would hate to be you when you die unrepentant. May God rebuke you.

          • Tony Capo

            asked and asnwered Your godess idol is not the mother of Christ. she is pagan. Teh queen of heaven:Jer 44:18 But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.

          • Mary2333

            Just because you hate Jesus’ mother and disparage her doe NOT mean that I do.

            You don’t realize how ignorant you sound.

          • Tony Capo

            I hate your false goddess and idol. nary the queen of heaven the mother of God.
            and God hates her.

          • Mary2333

            It is satan who is the god of hate and the father of lies. You are acting like one of satan’s minions.

          • Tony Capo

            Stop worshiping the dead.

          • Mary2333

            Catholics do not worship Mary or the saints.
            Stop worshiping satan.

          • Tony Capo

            Of course the roots of that kind of teaching and belief are found in ancient feminism which has its roots in goddess worship which goes way back into Babylon. It was a satanic ploy from the very beginning as Satan endeavors to counterfeit and upset the divine order and male headship.

            So what you have with Mary is just another form of paganism that swept into the church, mixed itself with Christianity. It is nothing but goddess worship.

          • Mary2333

            That is only true in perverted minds like yours.
            Do not think that you are exercising some spiritual headship. Being a male chauvinist is not sanctioned by God, neither is hating the mother of God’s son.

            You just keep spouting your own twisted view of Christianity. It is sad really.

          • Mary2333

            God loves Mary, she is “blessed among women” and Mary prophesied that “all generations shall call me blessed.” You hate her just like satan hates her. Shame on you for calling the mother of God a pagan goddess. May God rebuke you.

          • Tony Capo

            Your idol aint Mary , she is Istar the queen of heaven – an IDOL/

          • Mary2333

            My spiritual mother in Christ is Mary. Your father is apparently the father of lies.

          • Tony Capo

            The New Testament calls for the same complete and total devotion to God. Matthew 4:9,
            Satan tempting Jesus says, “I’ll give You everything You can see if You
            fall down and worship Me.” Jesus said to him, “Be gone, Satan, for it
            is written, you shall worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.”
            That from the lips of the Lord Jesus Himself.

          • Mary2333

            Stop worshiping yourself and your (presumed) intellect. The Catholic church has never taught that Mary or the saints should be worshiped, but they they are part of the family of God who are with God and can pray for us, as the Apostles taught.

          • Tony Capo

            you cant pray to a human. You elevate mary to a status of a god. Dont tell me catholics dont worship her. they pray to her, the idolise her and they adore her. Thats worship.

          • Mary2333

            Prayer means conversation, you ignoramus, not worship.

          • Tony Capo

            do you even own a Bible. Look up the queen of heaven in there or google it. You worship an idol and God callls it an abomination.

          • Mary2333

            Shame on you for calling Jesus’ mother a pagan idol. May God rebuke you.

          • Tony Capo

            you cant have a conversation with a dead woman bimbo.

          • Mary2333

            You reveal yourself. You have no faith. Those asleep in Christ are alive in God.

          • Tony Capo

            God hates your necromancy

          • Mary2333

            In no way do you speak for God. God loves Mary, the mother of His son. Mary is alive in heaven with her son.

          • Tony Capo

            It is, as I said, the inventing of a goddess by the mingling of paganism and Gnosticism with Christianity. It really all is paganism and all is Gnosticism, only the name Mary is borrowed from Christianity.

          • Mary2333

            Maybe in the cult that you belong to or that you imagine in your mind. The Catholic church is the only Christian church founded, organized and blessed by Jesus Himself, and the apostles taught that Mary held the place of mother in the church as Jesus said from the cross. If you had respect for Jesus, you wouldn’t try to disparage Jesus’ church or His mother. I would hate to be you when you die.

          • Tony Capo

            Jesus did not found a pedophile orginization that murdered the saints.

          • Mary2333

            Nope, Jesus founded the Catholic church.

          • Tony Capo

            Im waiting. where does the Bible say God loves the sinner and hates the sin. Admit it . You know nothing about the Bible. Pro 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
            Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
            Pro 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
            Pro 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

          • Mary2333

            2 Peter 3:9 The Lord delayeth not his promise, as some imagine, but dealeth patiently for your sake, not willing that any should perish, but that all should return to penance.

            First of all, that is a basic theme running through the entire Bible (since you obviously don’t get the Bible, I can see how that eludes you) and Jesus epitomized it. God becomes angry at His People (illustrating us all), warns them, punishes them, and the calls them back to Himself. God never stops loving people, but He is just and will let people send THEMSELVES to hell.

            Romans 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

            Luke 6:35 But love ye your enemies: do good, and lend, hoping for nothing thereby: and your reward shall be great, and you shall be the sons of the Highest; for he is kind to the unthankful, and to the evil.

            Luke 15:7 I say to you, that even so there shall be joy in heaven upon one sinner that doth penance, more than upon ninety-nine just who need not penance.

            etc., etc., etc.,

            (But you are hateful…

            1 John 4:20 If any man say, I love God, and hateth his brother; he is a liar. For he that loveth not his brother, whom he seeth, how can he love God, whom he seeth not?

            Psalms 36:12 The sinner shall watch the just man: and shall gnash upon him with his teeth.

          • Mary2333

            If you want to be a warrior for Christ, you are on the WRONG side. As I’ve said many times, the Catholic church has NEVER taught to worship Mary or statues, Catholics honor Mary as the mother of God (Jesus is God) and the statues remind us of good examples of heroic faith.

            If you are just enjoying spouting hate and empty rhetoric, then you are not in the family of God.

          • Tony Capo

            Catholic church is the whore of babylon. And abomination full of blood and idols . give it up.

          • Mary2333

            The Catholic church is the ONLY Christian church founded and organized and blessed by Jesus Himself.

          • Tony Capo

            Priests Rape Boys: an air-tight, three word case against the Catholic church. The Catholic Church is the largest, most well-funded and organized pedophile group in the history of man! No further proof need be given on the Judgment Day against every single person of authority in that monstrous organization of perverts. The case is as open and shut as a murder case where the murder is actually witnessed by the judge and jury themselves.

          • Mary2333

            Wow. That is a pretty stupid declaration.

          • Tony Capo

            they teach that
            Mary is the co-mediatrix. That is along with Jesus she is the mediator
            of all graces. She is the channel of all graces. You remember
            statements made like this, “Mary is the mother of all graces. Mary is
            the source of all mercies. No grace is conferred on anyone without her
            mediation and intercession and cooperation. All graces come to us
            through Mary’s hands. Mary is the direct intercessor with Christ who
            receives from Christ all graces and dispenses them to us and therefore
            our prayers should be directed at Mary.” All of that, of course, is
            lies and deception and again strikes a blow at the nature of God as one
            who is loving, kind, compassionate, sympathetic and caring. It strikes a
            blow against the mediatorship of the Lord Jesus Christ who is the only
            one we need to go to to be taken directly to the Father.

          • Mary2333

            I”m not sure what you are quoting, but co-mediatrix is NOT co-redeemer. Are you able to understand the difference? St. Paul said that we should make up what is “lacking” by our own suffering united with the cross. Mary, who was true to him even more than the rest of the Apostles, was united to His cross like no other person.

            You persist in refusing to see anything but your personal perception. Of course, that is the fruit of the great rebellion…

          • Tony Capo

            Neither is Mary
            co-redemptrix, as the Roman Catholic Church says. And this was one of
            John Paul II’s big issues. I quote from him, “Mary participates in our
            redemption.” And, of course, he is borrowing language from Pius XI who
            said, “Mary participates in the redemption achieved by her Son and all
            graces are granted only through her intercession. She participated with
            Jesus Christ in the very painful act of redemption.” They have Mary in
            her pain giving up her Son, participating in some form in our redemption
            so that Christ is not the one mediator, nor is He the one and only
            Redeemer. THIS IS BLASPHEMOUS HERESY.

          • Mary2333

            No, that was never an official title given to Mary, although she did help in our redemption more than any other person. Again, it is painfully obvious that you either lied about going to Catholic school or you just didn’t pay attention. The doctrine of infallibility (again, Apostolic Tradition) was what the Apostles said was the guidance of the Holy Spirit, that when the Pope makes a declaration of concerning the faith and an obligation on all the faithful (like the declaration in the Bible by Peter at the first Council), the Holy Spirit would not let him err. John Paul, II NEVER made such a proclamation. That may have been his personal opinion (it’s ironic that YOU fault him for that…)

          • Tony Capo

            That is to say it
            is an assault on God. It is a full-blown assault on God. It is an
            assault on God the Father. It is an assault on God the Holy Spirit.
            And it is an assault on God the Son. And we’ve already indicated that
            in the introductory words.

          • Mary2333

            Matthew 16:18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (The words of Jesus.)

          • Tony Capo

            First of all,
            the worship of Mary is an attack on God Himself. Mary becomes the
            mother of the Son of God. Mary becomes the mother of God in their
            language. She is called the Queen of heaven, and therefore she is the
            rival of the King of heaven, the sovereign God Himself. As we have
            learned, she is granted sovereignty. She is worthy of worship, worthy
            of praise. She demands if you want salvation that you adore her, that
            you love her, that you enthrone her because she is loving, gracious,
            merciful. She is all-knowing, all seeing and all powerful.
            Delaguare(?) in The Glories of Mary, page 566, quote: “At the command of Mary all obey, even God.” Blasphemy against God.

            This
            goddess worship is also blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Mary is the
            comforter. Mary is the sympathizer. Mary is the helper. Mary is the
            empowerer. Mary is the advocate. Mary is the encourager. Mary is even
            the sanctifier who works to make her children pure.

            This
            goddess worship is also an attack against the Son. She becomes a
            counterfeit Savior, born sinless, without the stain of original sin,
            living a sinless life. She is called the all-holy child. She becomes
            redeemer, provider of salvation, dispenser of forgiveness, source of all
            blessing from salvation to glorification. She is called the all-holy
            one, clearly a title belonging only to God.

          • Mary2333

            LOL You saying over and over and over that Catholics worship Mary does not make it so. It is just empty rhetoric of the ignorant trying to be malicious.

          • Tony Capo

            Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

          • Mary2333

            Matthew 7:22, 23 Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you evil doers.

          • Mary2333

            Matthew 5:20 For I tell you, that unless your justice abound more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

          • Mariamante

            You are talking about Jesus’ mother. Respect for Jesus’ mother was obviously lost on some people, but just imagine for a moment that perhaps you are offending God? I humbly ask that you pray and ask God to show you what is truly right and wrong in His eyes. #love

          • Tony Capo

            Mary the Queen of heaven is not mary the mother of Christ. she is an idol. No I dont respect your idol.

  • Tony Capo

    Priests rape boys:

    • Mary2333

      There have been three times more sexual crimes in the public schools than in the Catholic church (facts and evidence stumps Liberal empty rhetoric every time). Does that mean that all teachers are pedophiles?

      • Tony Capo

        so your point is what ? that its ok fo preiests to rape boys. The pope is a sodomite pimp..

        • Mary2333

          The point is that you are being ridiculous in condemning the entire Catholic church for the sins of a few (less than one percent of priests). Grow up.

          • Tony Capo

            liar. abuse is widespread for many decades within the catholic whore house and those who weren’t actively involved were involved in covering it up . even all the way to the RAT-zinger pope. they have paid out over 5 BILLION dollars so every one of you that put a dollar in the collection plate are in para delictu- equally guilty.

          • Mary2333

            Wow, your hatred of God and his church exposes your true intentions, you just want to abuse people. Grow up and stop being a Liberal useful idiot.

          • shirleyanne12

            When was the LAST Time you looked in a Mirror??
            Or are you one of those that LOOKED, WALKED AWAY and then FORGOT WHAT YOU SAW????

          • Apolloone

            I’m not sure which group of people are more deceived the people of Islam or those in the Catholic church. On one hand the Moslems say that the Messiah was just a man or some prophet at best and then the Catholics who follow the doctrines of men making the teachings of The Messiah null and void, claiming that a mere man is infallible and many other Blasphemous claims and even acts that are taken straight from the Babylonian Mystery Religion. Why is it that you people refuse to seek God’s Truth? Do you not believe that the Scriptures are God’s Truth? I just don’t understand.

          • shirleyanne12

            RAT-ZINGER WAS A NAZI ….
            DON’T KID YOURSELF..
            YOU ARE ANOTHER TOTALLY IGNORANT CATHOLIC!!
            NO DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER 1.2 BILLION OF THEM.
            STUDY HISTORY! IT’S NEVER TOO LATE TO GET AN EDUCATION!!

          • Mary2333

            Hatefully spreading the Liberal empty rhetoric is pretty pathetic really.

          • http://codephined.com/ codephined

            Wow, your fundamentalism really stinks this thread up.

          • Apolloone

            I just cant get there Shirley as to how so many millions of people claiming to be Christians remain in this religion. I will try to supply the answer, all I can come up with is that they are too lazy to study God’s word and not only God’s word, but the blasphemous words from the popes themselves over the centuries. Whether or not the Papal System is The Great Whore of Revelation or just one of the daughters. Islam Cannot be The Great Whore because Islam never belonged to God in its beginning(:-}

          • Mary2333

            You’re probably one of those pathetic people who are paid to post hateful comments for the Liberals.

          • shirleyanne12

            I am FAR from Liberal.. I’M A LIBERTERIAN..
            I’m a Torah Observant Believer in Yeshua HaMashiach…
            My Saviour IS A JEW and HE SPOKE HEBREW, WHILST ON EARTH!!
            READ SCRIPTURE, ASK FOR UNDERSTANDING!!
            YOU HAVE NOT, B/C YOU ASK NOT!!

          • Mary2333

            It is satan who is the god of hate, and it is satan’s minions who spew hatred and evil. Jesus simply told people the truth in love and let people chose to resist and balk and walk away if they chose, but he didn’t change the truth to suit their evil, self-important intentions. He said those who know the truth (when they hear it) listen to Him.

          • Mariamante

            Satan is the father of lies.

          • http://codephined.com/ codephined

            Libertarianism IS liberalism. Classical liberalism is what led to modern liberalism… and a few precepts of classical liberalism are:

            a) Separation of Church and State
            b) Liberty of Conscience
            c) Religious Liberty

            These evils are what led to the absolutely destitute nation that we live in: the first nation in human history to be founded without a profession of faith in a God or gods.

            I suggest reading the book, “Liberalism is a Sin,” written in 1886. I believe you can now read this entire book online at liberalismisasin [ dot ] com

          • Joseph Francis Whipple

            First, the vernacular amongst the Jews then was Aramaic; Hebrew was used for prayers.
            Second, you have the ‘ignorant’ Catholic Church, founded by our Savior, to thank for the Bible, the preservation of knowledge during the fall of Rome, higher education, and the prevention of the Islamic takeover of Europe.

            -God bless

          • mcbee555

            Let us not forget that there were two strong partners who broke the Soviet Union. They were Pope John Paul and President Ronald Reagan.

          • Apolloone

            Ah let us not forget that it was mainly the popes of the Universal Church (Catholic) who tried under the influence of Satan to destroy the Scriptures and committed murderous acts in the name of God. Whether or not these people were evil and deserved to die, as has been pointed out on this site is still an anti-Jesus teaching, not to mention the doctrines being taught by this church are not doctrines that the Messiah taught. One big change was the change of God’s Sabbath which mere men had no right to change, for Jesus did keep the Sabbath.

          • Apolloone

            Hello Shirley I cannot understand people like Mary who come on here making claims that Jesus founded the Catholic church and that Peter was the first pope, it is obvious that they don’t know the Messiah and haven’t an understanding of the Scriptures and God’s plan for His creation. I am very new to this site and MR. Shoebat’s beliefs, it is my understanding that he believes that the Great Whore of Revelation 17 is Islam, if he does then I disagree with him, Islam has never belonged to God so this makes it impossible for Islam to become a whore.

          • Allan477

            I don’t condemn the Catholic Church for the pedophiles. I do condemn it for protecting these men–and women.

          • Mary2333

            Who are you to condemn? Besides, the entire church did not protect them, a few Bishops did.

          • Apolloone

            The system as a whole is nothing like what Jesus taught, as a matter of fact the popes have done a good job in destroying the early church beliefs. The church Jesus started in no way can be compared to the universal church at Rome, the many doctrines have come about from the Babylonian Mystery Religion. You are deceived because you want to be deceived, because you have access to information that Catholics didn’t have until recently. So by continuing in this Satanic fraud
            you are promoting it and have no excuse except for being lazy. Jesus gave a warning to those with the Laodicea mindset in the Latter Days, may you read about it in The Book od Revelation for it seems that is the mindset of the majority of todays Christians, Protestants and Catholics alike.

        • mcbee555

          It’s not OK for Priests to contravene their vows of celibacy, be that vow broken with any form of being. Nor is it OK for teachers, professors, anyone exposed to students or other trusting people, by those in an official status, to break a rule of fiduciary relationship. The “fiduciary” title applies to men or women.
          People “of the cloth” have done great work for the poor and disabled, It’s really wrong and shallow to incriminate an entire group for the reported misdeeds of the very few.

          • Tony Capo

            very few my ass. the ones who wereent raping them were aware and covering for them. thats called being an accomplice. A pedophile rapist good works dont get him off the hook.

      • Allan477

        Perhaps, but then there are ten times more kids in the public schools than in Catholic schools. Public schools still come out better, although, no amount of pedophilia is acceptable in any school.

        • Mary2333

          Public school kids can belong to the Catholic church. Pedophilia is serious sin which separates one from God and destines one for hell, but it is NOT a “Catholic” thing. But, it has been used by the mainstream media to demonize the Catholic church. It is satan through its minions who seeks to destroy the church Jesus himself founded.

      • Tony Capo

        Oh Ok other do it so its AOK for priests to rape boys. My bad. NO , YOU know its going on and instead of getting out fo there you continue to cover up and make excuses. You are an accomplice.

        • Mary2333

          The Catholic church condemns pedophilia. The point I was making was that the news media spinned the 1% of the priests turning out to be homosexual pedophiles into the story that all priests are pedophiles. There are more incidences by teachers, but no one is saying all teachers are pedophiles.

          The UN is controlled by the largest voting block of 56 Muslim countries and the PLO. Islam sanctions sexual slaves, even little boys. It is in the Qur’an and the Sunnah (Mohammad’s example).

          If you were raped by someone that is no justification for condemning all priests.

        • krowbro

          You obviously missed Mary’s point.

      • krowbro

        Are you talking percentages or numbers? If the latter, than you also have to consider the number of public schools versus Catholic in order to draw conclusions.

        • Mary2333

          Not all Catholic children go to Catholic schools and not all Catholic churches have schools, but I was talking percentages. It is only because the MEDIA whipped up the public that unstable and ignorant people jumped to the conclusion that all priests are pedophiles. Over the years the public schools have had a much worse record, but the media is not making all public schools look like bastions of pedophilia. It is another attack on Christianity. People need to stop being stupid sheep.

          • krowbro

            I agree with your point.

          • Apolloone

            I don’t conclude that all priests are pedophiles, any number would only be a guess, I don’t need the media for anything especially when searching for the truth, my belief is that the majority of Catholics are decent people priests included, no worse or better than protestants But this I do know it is a burdensome and unnatural act to place on anyone Celibacy, this is supposedly a teaching of Paul, but it came from the Babylonian Mystery Religion as most of things does in Catholicism. Here is a direct question to you Mary and that is Do you believe that the Bible is the Truth of God brought to us by men who were under the inspiration of God while they recorded it?

  • Mary2333

    The Catholic church is the ONLY Christian church founded by Jesus himself. The Bible itself – and the Bible is what the Catholic church compiled and preserved for centuries (until Martin Luther threw out seven books that supported Catholic doctrine) – nowhere says that the Bible is the ONLY source of sacred inspiration. The Bible itself talks about the first church Council wherein Peter, the first Pope (when he died the Apostles decided on a successor, as with each Apostle, until the present day) had the final decision in matters of the church. The Bible also says that Jesus taught the Apostles privately, which verbal teaching is referred to in the Bible and which the Catholic church has preserved and called the Apostolic Tradition. It amazes me that the Protestant faith declares the Bible as sacred but then picks and chooses from it according to what they want it to say!

  • shirleyanne12

    Jeremiah 6:19-21

    King James Version (KJV)

    19 Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened unto my words, nor to my law, but rejected it.

    20 To what purpose cometh there to me incense from Sheba, and the sweet cane from a far country? your burnt offerings are not acceptable, nor your sacrifices sweet unto me.

    21 Therefore thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will lay stumblingblocks before this people, and the fathers and the sons together shall fall upon them; the neighbour and his friend shall perish.

  • greyghost491

    It doesn’t matter how many wars you have fought, or anything else you have done. It doesn’t matter what you call yourself, protestant, cathoic or what ever. If you do not have salvation through JESUS it’s all for naught in the eyes of the LORD. This is the only way you can receive salvation, if you don’t believe this and go against this you are lost.

    For GOD so loved the world that HE gave HIS only begotten SON
    that whosoever believeth in HIM should not perish but have
    everlasting life.
    John 3:16

    JESUS said I am the way, the truth, and the life: no one
    cometh unto the FATHER but by ME.
    John 14:6

    To become a Christian you have to believe that JESUS was the
    SON of GOD (the one true GOD the GOD of Israel), that HE
    died on the cross to save us from the punishment of our
    sins, and that HE rose from the dead to show us if we
    believe in HIM we can do the same. You have to truly
    believe this and pray to JESUS for forgiveness. If you
    truly believe you will receive salvation and your life
    will change, you are born again. If you do not truly
    believe you will not receive salvation and you will be as
    lost as you ever were.

    When JESUS died on the cross the need to go to priests for sins was gone, JESUS is our high priest. The pope has no more authority over anyone than any other man, the church has no power to do anything but teach the word.

  • shirleyanne12

    NO GOOD THING CAN COME FROM THAT WHORE OF BABYLON…
    ”COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE.”

    • http://codephined.com/ codephined

      The whore of babylon is Jerusalem.

      John’s Apocalypse refers to Babylon as the whore (17:5), as the “great city” seven times… they are 11:8, 16:19, 17:18, 18:10; 16; 18; 19; 21. John consistently refers to Babylon as the great city.

      Earlier in the epistle, the angel tells John who the “great city” is. That is found in 11:8 :

      And their bodies shall lie in the streets of the great city, which is called spiritually, Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord also was crucified.

      Was Christ crucified in Rome? No, He was crucified in Jerusalem…

      It is called spiritually Sodom and Egypt, which we see in Ezekiel 16, the prophet is calling Jerusalem a harlot for fornicating with it’s neighbors, Egypt .. and is called Sodom.

      I can understand why you want the Catholic Church to be the whore. She is the biggest, oldest, and original Christian faith on earth… founded by Christ in Matthew 16:18, whose authority was given to Peter and the Apostles to forgive sins (John 20:23) and bind and loose in Matthew 16:19, fulfilling the prophecy of Isaiah 22:22.

      • sumsrent

        The whore is NOT Jerusalem… nor is it the C’lic Church.

        17:5 Strongs says…

        Babylon = “confusion”

        1) a very large and famous city, the residence of the Babylonian kings, situated on both banks of the Euphrates. Cyrus had formerly captured it, but Darius Hystaspis threw down its gates and walls, and Xerxes destroyed the temple of Belis. At length the city was reduced to almost solitude, the population having been drawn off by the neighbouring Seleucia, built on the Tigris by Seleucus Nicanor.

        2) of the territory of Babylonia

        3) allegorically, of Rome as the most corrupt seat of idolatry and the enemy of Christianity

        In fact 17:5 doesn’t even mention the words “Great City”…

        It says… ” And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

        Now let’s take a look at the Old Testament…

        2Ki 24:10… “At that time the servants of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon came up against Jerusalem, and the city was besieged.” <<<[Evidence that it is not the same city.]

        Of course… Babylon is mentioned over 200 times in the Old Testament… and never referred to as Jerusalem.

        You're cherry picking verses to put together a story which is false!

        In fact Walid did an article back in June 2013 confirming what I believed… Babylon is Mecca.

        • http://codephined.com/ codephined

          I didn’t say that 17:5 uses the words “great city” … after that first sentence fragment I included the verses which John does refer to Babylon as the “great city.”

          It is unmistakable that apostate Jerusalem was referred to in the spirit of Babylon, or harlotry.

          Jeremiah 22:6-9, the prophet refers Jerusalem as “the great city,” as is how John refers to Jerusalem.

          Yes, pagan Rome was the enemy of Christianity, but was converted and became the organ for Christianity to spread throughout the world.

          I didn’t cherry-pick verses, I simply went through St. John’s epistle and typed all references to “the great city.”

          Mecca isn’t where “our Lord was crucified.”

          • sumsrent

            Right… you didn’t say 17:65 uses the words “Great City”… but you were using 17:5 to build your case. I didn’t miss that.

            Besides… weren’t you the one who mentioned about only using the New Testament as a source?

            You said up above…
            ” where does it say in the Bible that all you need is the books of the New Testament?” And you’re right…
            The fact stands: The Old Testament clearly shows that Jerusalem and Babylon are two different cities.
            Again I’ll say… Jerusalem is NOT Babylon… and the C’lic Church is NOT Babylon.
            With that being said… you should take a moment and research the how really satanic Mecca is. The history of it’s Babylonian Paganism and how that is still in place today with it’s center of the world Kaaba… AKA The Cube. See if you can find the reports about what’s inside of that Cube today… what they represent… how it ties into Pagan Rome with it’s false gods and goddesses. Then… follow it through all the way to the Tower of Babel and Abraham who walked on the earth during that time and was the enemy of Nimrod.

            And if that doesn’t spark your interest…, then ask yourself… who is persecuting the Church? And who is going to? If you believe the Jews are… you’re brainwashed.

            PS… Pardon me… typically C’lics are rude, blind and obnoxious. Maybe you’re different?

          • http://codephined.com/ codephined

            Yes, literally Jerusalem and Babylon are two different cities. Babylon is also used allegorically as a stamp to mean simply the enemies of God… which is what 17:5 probably refers to rather than the literal city of Babylon considering the context of calling it “the great city,” and attributing the “great city” to Jerusalem (where our Lord was crucified).

            I totally agree that Mecca is satanic… Islam is totally satanic. They embody the heresy of Arianism. I do not doubt that Islam plays and will play a major role in the tribulation… as Rev 20:4 recounts, those who were beheaded for Christ. That’s a preferred method of execution in Islam…

            Lol, I may come across rash in commenting sometimes… I usually don’t mean to, but sometimes I drop the ball on charity :)

            For what it’s worth, Catholics are usually attacked left and right by evangelicals, all citing the same tired arguments that were used hundreds of years ago and answered time and time again. I’m a convert from pentecostalism (pastor’s son)… so I’m pretty familiar with the anti-Catholics’ remarks & arguments… I used them myself :)

            So I think most Catholics are very defensive since we’re so used to being attacked over everything under the sun… It’s easy to get frustrated and say things in comment boxes that you wouldn’t say to someone’s face.

          • sumsrent

            I’m not sure if you’re admitting to changing your position on Jerusalem as the whore or not. I hope you have…
            At any rate… forgive me, if I appear rash.

          • http://codephined.com/ codephined

            No, I didn’t take you to be rash.
            Nah.. I don’t think so :)
            It’s a novel idea, that St. John was referring to Mecca, and I’m not really too wild about jumping on the bandwagon with novelties in theology.

            It is an interesting consideration, though. Mr. Shoebat has some very interesting sermons on youtube that really makes you think.

          • sumsrent

            Then let me give you something else to think about…

            Acts 19:35… “And when the townclerk had appeased the people, he said, Ye men of Ephesus, what man is there that knoweth not how that the city of the Ephesians is a worshipper of the great goddess Diana, and of the image which fell down from Jupiter?”
            There’s more to the story here… but I wanted you to take note of the image which feel from Jupiter…
            That is the black stone mounted on the side of the Cube in Mecca… it is in the shape of a vagina.
            Also… when the satanic worshipping muslims encircle this Kaaba/Cube it is mean t to resemble the rings of Jupiter…
            The fact is… Islam is NOT an extension of Christianity… but an extension of Babylonian Paganism.

          • sumsrent

            Here are more pictures…

          • http://codephined.com/ codephined

            Ahh yeah, I know… pretty interesting.

            Well you’re right that it isn’t an extension of Christianity, but it does have some elements of it… after all, Mohammed was exposed to a heretical offshoot of Christianity. He didn’t even accept the heretical sect but instead revived the doctrine of t he Arians, that Christ was not divine. It also has some Zoroastrian, Manichean, was very heavily influenced by Hinduism, and you’re right, steeped in paganism.

  • shirleyanne12

    WHERE IS BAPTISM OF DESIRE???
    IS THAT IN YOUR ”CATHOLIC VERSION OF THE BIBLE?”
    SHOW ME THE CHAPTER & VERSE WHERE THIS IS FOUND???
    ALSO, WHAT BOOK WOULD THAT BE ??????

  • ThomasER916

    Sorry but Martin Luther was right.

    Israel is shipping their Muslims to white, Christian nations.

    Jews have pushed mass immigration of Muslims and non-whites to white, Christian nations.

    Joe Slovo and the Litvaks organized and used trains to ship in millions of African tribals and Muslims to South Africa, teaching them slogans like “Kill the White Farmer! Kill the Boer!”

    Howard Zinn helped organize Black Panthers to “kill whitey!”

    The problem is when I tell people this they scream “racist!” I can point them to articles in JPost and Haaretz where they cover Israel shipping Muslims to Europe. Recently Eritreans were shipped to Sweden from Israel. What kind of ally works with Marxists and Jews shipping Muslims to your nation?

    The worst part is I’ll get banned and shouted down for pointing this out. Anyone can do a Google Search and find this information.

    Joe+Slovo+Litvaks+Kill+White+Farmer
    Sweden+Muslim+Israel+Haaretz

  • shirleyanne12

    Amein…
    Your Screen Name, DESCRIBES THIS CHURCH OF ROME, ALSO CALLED ”CATHOLIC”, Meaning, UNIVERSAL…
    THEY HAVE THE DT’s…
    In Medicine it stands for DELIRIUM TREMENS …. ALCOHOLICS
    EXPERIENCE THIS WHEN THE GO THROUGH ABSTINENCE.

  • shirleyanne12

    Winston,
    This is a really good video… Walter Veith is an SDA, & does a good Exposé….
    However, HOW MANY, will Really SEE IT????
    That’s the MILLION $$$$ QUESTION !!!!

    • Winston

      I think all we can do is share within our networks and hope others route as well. I don’t know how else to spread news.

      • shirleyanne12

        Absolutely brother. Couldn’t agree more..
        I’m doing it on every thread i’m on…..
        The seed has to be SOWN… Before a Harvest can be gathered…
        SOIL CONDITIONS, have MANY VARIABLES !!!
        One Sows, Another Waters, And Only the Great Elohim can Bring the INCREASE!!
        Shalom aleichem, friend….

  • Winston

    LOL!!

  • AffanGul

    A quick survey of the comments on this thread are all anyone needs to answer the question. Christians of the West do nothing to help the persecuted Christians of the East, because they are too wrapped up in their petty doctrinal hatred of each other. You all sound like the Northern Irish Protestants, condemning the “Papists” and the Catholics bombing the Protestant “Heretics.” Make no mistake, scratch the surface and not far below, you will find all of the Medieval bigotry of the Thirty Years War, especially in America. The Catholic Church, as the institutionalized version of the Church always has been, and always will be the number one target for any heretical Kook to rail against. It is a convenient scapegoat to rally the troops around (much like Anti-Americanism). As a Convinced Catholic, I must say that the very loud segment of the Evangelical Movement that rail against anything Catholic as “AntiChrist” sound very much like the Nazis. I seem to recall the words “Thou art Peter (the Rock) and upon this Rock I build my Church” in my Bible. What I don’t recall is “Everybody do your own thing and interpret the Bible as you please.”

  • AffanGul

    Oh yes, and there is NOTHING in the History of Protestantism that compares even slightly with the everlasting glory of the Victories of the Catholic Armies at Vienna, Malta and Lepanto over the evil Turk. Give up the West Bank and the Temple Mount? Sure, as soon a you give back Constantinople !

  • Mary2333

    It is in the Bible…

    It is amazing that the faith that makes the Bible (and their personal interprestation) a kind of idol (JESUS is the living word!), yet even the very words of Jesus himself are disregarded! (Jesus also said “This is my body” and “Unless you eat my body and drink my blood you will have no life within you” and “Unless your rightousness is more than that of the Sadducees and Pharisees [i.e., making appearances], you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.”

  • vicktrola

    The Orthodox Church was correct in opposing Augustine. In fact, it appears that Augustine’s doctrines were probably the biggest reason for the rift between the eastern and western branches of the church.

  • Tony Capo

    Child abuse is a widespread systemic problem in the Catholic Whore House. They engaged in what amounts to orginized crime when the made rules covering up for the raping priests.

  • Rose-ellen Caminer

    Nothing is more anti Christ then the fact that today we have Christians who support the evil assad regime simply because he’s good to Christians. Thousands of Muslim men, women and children are being tortured and murdered by this regime and Christians have no problem with allowing a true holocaust to be taking place right now in the 21st century. The label alquada or terrorist is put on all muslims opposed to dictators and to take the position that supporting a tyrannical dictator is just ,as long as he does not tyrannize Christians is like germans supporting hitler because he was not tyrannizing Christians. No one can predict the future but mankind is us now-and now a holocaust is taking place by the hitleresque assa regime. We have a moral obligation to stop it and mid east Christians can not ethically support someone committing genocide .Later for dealing with alquada, etc. The assad holocaust needs to be stopped and it is a sin for Christians to be support it! If rebels also commit atrocities we can deal with them later; but this hitleresque holocaust by a Stalinist like dictator is evil . Where is your conscience that you want to sit back and allow thousands more men ,women and children to be tortured and slaughtered by a tyrant! Putting labels on people being murdered does not exonerate you from being complicit with a holocaust.

  • Mary2333

    Beware the swine who trample the pearls…

  • Tom_mcewen

    Thank you, I am a catholic and am tired of the protestant hate for me who is their neighbor. The Bible is a book and must be read as a book, when it is read as a single verse it is personal theology. I was a protestant for 34 years and it is impossible that Paul and Christ can not agree, but Protestants follow Paul and Christ is counted a savior with bad theology. What I found was protestantism is gnostic knowledge, looking for hidden knowledge between the words of Paul. Christ talks in matt 25 of serving those in need, of being workers for Christ all of our lives, faith alone and one saved is horrible, it takes away God, the Father’s sovereign will to judge, it is voodoo to bend your mouth and say some words and make God your slave, it is shameful to believe this. It is shameful to believe that your deeds do not matter to God.

  • Chris Foltz

    don’t mash the church… mash the clergy… a new Vlad the Impaler will arise just before total darkness…

  • Andrew Patton

    You speak as though the UN has the slightest bit of moral authority to make said judgments. That UN human rights committee is full of human rights violators, yet you accept their word without question.

  • http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Anti-Catholic Wesley Mcgranor

    Postmodern Evangelicals are post-Protestant, and nor is it a matter of non-Mainline or Anabaptist tradition. Protestant-Evangelicals are another matter. All have popularly fell to ecumenism with Catholics and other aspects of non-Protestant ecumenism. In Protestantism there has always been a spiritual unity despite needed institutional differences. This is a complex matter. As for Catholics they are the bed-partners of the Unfulfilled Jew–and that includes Messianic Judaism. You noahides need to just say that you want your Jewish masters on top. No matter what, the Mohammedan will always be a subterfuge we have handled them before in governance as the British Empire once did. All Protestant-Christendom needs to do is subdue by Christ. The want that they secularize themselves, shows former Western Protestant societies faults.

  • Veritas81

    As a Catholic: THANK YOU!

  • Mariamante

    Thank you. Some evangelicals, just like some muslims, have the false belief that the power of condemnation and salvation in their hands. It is original sin. Pride, power, deception. Any religion that condemns the belief of our One God in others, is very likely false.

    God has spoiled Catholics with a family structure and cultural richness that is unique. Catholics understand that salvation is up to God, and false religions are filled with lost souls who God will choose to save regardless of our human perceptions. Catholics are blessed and our reward is in heaven. The same applies for all the amazing martyrs who came before us and gave their lives for Christianity.

    You are obviously an amazing man. May God continue to bless you and give you the wisdom of the Holy Spirit.

  • Mariamante

    The same thing happened to me. I didn’t realize that was possible until I was an adult. My aunt went to a non Catholic church for a while and it was like she joined a cult. She rejected her family, and married a psychological impaired man because he converted to that church, and that’s what this church told her to do. How is isolation from your family and rejection of others ever ok? My aunt is not a dumb person. She was just very innocent and vulnerable at the time. Then I see these bizarre people on TV, like the lady with pink big hair and even bigger fake eyelashes promising prosperity for donations because she has the power of Jesus. It blows my mind how they can sanctimoniously tell me about the evils of my Catholic faith with a straight face. That church ruined my aunts life as far as I’m concerned. But as much as she suffered, I’m hopeful God will redeem her.

    • afftongrown

      Not toworry, your aut was never looked down upon by God. He always knew she had the best intentions, but was being led astray by religious charlatans.

  • Mariamante

    That is so beautiful Ken. Thank you for sharing and defending His church. As you can see we are under attack, but the gates of Hades will never prevail. Thank you God.

  • Tim Berends

    The pope promised the Crusaders Heaven if they went on the Crusades. Is THAT Christianity? I have a few questions for my Roman Catholic friends…
    1. Who came into the world to save us, Jesus or Mary?
    2. Who loved sinners more when they were here on earth, Jesus or Mary?
    3. To whom were sinners invited to go to for their salvation, Jesus or Mary? Jesus said, “Come unto me all ye that labor and I will give you rest.”
    4. Do we have anybody saved through Mary’s intercessions in the Bible?
    5. Who did the dying thief on the cross turn to, Mary at his feet or Jesus at his side?
    6. Did he do well in turning to Jesus? Yes, Jesus said, “today you’ll be with me in paradise.”
    7. If Jesus then was my most faithful loving friend 2,000 years ago, now that He’s seated at the Father’s right hand, can you show me that He’s lost any of what He had and what He’s lost has been gained by anyone else?
    The Apostle Paul warned about those who would get involved with those that would forbid to marry and command to abstain from meats. I Timothy 4:1&2
    I wonder who he could be talking about?

  • djanchovy .

    All the answers to the questions posed in this piece can be found at Christogenea.org. Yahweh indeed has an anointed race, something that evangelicals, better described as “jews between the ears” fail to comprehend.

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  • Apolloone

    It is you donk lover that needs to read the Bible which clearly shows that the teachings of Jesus is not what is taught in the doctrines of Rome. Many of the teachings of the papal system come straight from the Babylonian Mystery Religion. How anyone can be deceived in this day is beyond me, because just comparing the Scriptures to what the popes has stated over the years prove their Blasphemy.

  • monogamist

    …and if Catholics had followed the example of St. Francis of Assisi toward the Moslems…who knows what would have happened…? [Ever heard of the "New Law of Talion"?]

  • monogamist

    …also, please don’t lump this O.O.R.C. (obstinately-orthodox, Roman Catholic) with the “man-of-the-year-club”. Thank you. cf.: http://www.catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/ecumenism/apostacy.htm

  • maranathangel

    Sir, you are now my knight in shining armor. I have to listen to people disparage my faith all of the time, and finding this article is a beautiful gift from God; I thank you both!

  • Prudent

    WHERE IS THE AMERICA CATHOLIC CHURCH TODAY ON THE SLAUGHTER OF CHRISTIANS WHERE IS BILLY GRAHAM ? CHRISTIANITY is a REALITY NOT A RELIGION ITS ALL ABOUT CHRIST YOU ARE EITHER IN HIM OR YOU ARE NOT LIVING along with the perishing of the soul BLOTTED out DENOMINATIONS MEANS DIVISION PERIOD!LOOK AT THIS COUNTRY DID THE DAM CATHOLIC CHURCH HELP?

    • Prudent

      RECOVERING Catholic of now 24 years! amen!

  • Winston

    None of the churches can be trusted any longer, especially denominational. They are not teaching their sheep the truth and evade the obvious that humanity is at a crossroads that deserves a solid biblical review of the times and seasons we are approaching.

    The churches have chosen a secular path, sad to say.

  • shirleyanne12

    I’ll Add this to my Retinue, for my ”CATHOLIC” Brother!!!
    My sister and I, Pray and Lead by example, to the Well of Life.
    Like Yeshua told the Samaritan woman, she didn’t know Who she was Worshipping.
    However, there’ll come a Day When They would Worship in
    SPIRIT & TRUTH!!
    Catholicism is SOOO STEEPED IN IDOLATRY!!!
    Strong Delusion, CAN’T SEE!!!
    Time For THAT Damascus Journey.
    I Wont Give Up Praying!!
    Thank you, brother!

  • http://WWW.SPIRITOFAMERICAPARTYRADIOSHOW.COM TOM P O’DONNELL

    THOU ARE PETER AND THOU ART ROCK AND UPON THIS ROCK I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH. NOT BRAGGING AT ALL BUT WE ARE THE ORIGINALS. BUT WHILE WE SQUABBLE ARE ENEMIES ARE UNITED. THIS POPE HAS OPENED THE DOORS TO ALL SINNERS. I TOTALLY ADMIRE THE COPTS AND THE GREEKS, THE MARIONITES AND THE PEOPLE OF NICEA.. THE INDIAN CHRISTIANS ARE MOST FAITHFUL. WHY WOULD WE FIGHT OVER WHO JESUS LOVES THE MOST. HE MUST LAUGH AT US.
    THE SAD PART IS BEFORE ISLAM MOST WERE CHRISTIAN. PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST CAN ONLY COME FROM LOVE. CAPS IS NOT SHOUTING. I PRAY OUT LOUD.

  • Jim H.

    Awesome. Hat tip from a Catholic, Mr. Shoebat. I’d like to invite you to join us. The real faith isn’t the faith of the liberal American Catholic. The real faith is represented in the Cathechism which documents the teaching of the Holy Spirit, about those events of the Deposit of Faith in the Bible, that have been given to us over 2000 years. God Bless you. Our Lady of Victories, Pray for Us!