What Every Christian Needs To Know About Bible Prophecy

By Walid Shoebat (Shoebat Exclusive)

Not all Christian persuasions study the subject of Bible Prophecy with more enthusiasm than the Evangelical and the Messianic movements. One Catholic lamented after studying our work asking; why are Catholics less interested in such an important topic, suggesting that it’s about time other Catholics jump on the bandwagon to enrich themselves with what we had to say about the coming ends of days and while many of our Evangelical subscribers were upset asking why we do not expose what they termed Catholic paganism prophesied in the Bible even commenting that we were “Jesuit spies” and “agents of the Vatican” for being so silent on that subject.

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While the comments were meant to be slanderous I wondered as to why would some of my Evangelical brothers be upset, especially that we are sharing Prophecy with Catholics? Isn’t sharing Scripture with the Catholic crucial to help him see his error? Does loving Catholics entail only criticizing the Vatican while we ignore sharing whole sections of Scripture that pertain to the threat of Islam which wants to destroy both Catholic and Evangelical?

They always tell me to “shut up” and talk only about my specialty: Islamic terrorism. If this is true, that ISIS and Islam is their main problem, why then refuse to unite with the Catholic in order to fight ISIS?

The truth of the matter is, the war isn’t only against ISIS, but it is also against the Catholic.

The true inner soul is usually revealed in comment lines since these ‘Christians’ were unseen and would say things they would rarely say in public.

It reminded me of the old days in Bethlehem when we hated our Christian school principle (Head Master) for not openly supporting our anti-Israel riots, so we would sneak at the wee hours of the night when its pitch dark and fill the school walls with graffiti proclaiming him a “Zionist spy” hoping that when the daylight begins that the mobs kill him.

 

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You might ask as to what does slandering the Christian school principle have anything to do with Bible Prophecy?

Answer: Everything!

Prophecy isn’t all what you think and the story of Cain killing Abel is the oldest prophecy foretelling slander and murder which still plagues us today. I will show you just what you need to know about Bible Prophecy that will build your wit not to get deceived, so just go the extra mile (you read 10% so far and have 90% to go), it takes some effort to pop some bubbles.

It took decades to realize that my school principle was right to collaborate with the Zionist authorities and that exposing the instigators and violent protesters wasn’t so bad after all. I myself was redeemed the day I decided to spy as a Muslim in order to destroy my wife’s Catholic faith. So I purchased a Bible and snooped around in order to refute her faith and the Bible instead revealed my slandering, murderous and dark inner soul. We all think that we got everything figured out and then God all of the sudden busts our bubbles.

So I decided this week to do some little snooping around to find out more on the Pope’s view on Bible Prophecy as to answer the Catholic who was asking why the Catholic Church lacks in this area, and why he has not heard the Pope speak on the subject. So I plugged “Pope” and “Bible Prophecy” in my search engine and the result hailed a gazillion websites that never discussed the Pope’s views on Bible Prophecy.

No matter how much I tried to refine my search the results were actually exposing the Pope as a collaborator with the devil, so now who ever believes these oodles of books and websites can post a comment on the Vatican’s website that says “Francis is Lucifer’s Spy”.

It was extremely difficult to sift through the multi-colored websites that somehow linked the Pope to all sorts of conspiracies. He was included in a myriad of websites calling for all sorts of destructive behavior promoting fear and apathy. You had your survivalists who called for complete isolation and preparation for doomsday. They were concerned lest we suffer famine. Then there were Tetrads and blood moons. After all, one could easily find verses about “the moon not giving its light” and “there will be famines, wars and rumors of wars …”

Some even had detailed and precise date setting; everything was calculated to a T while somehow all roads led to Rome connecting the papacy in a grand conspiracy with the New World Order, the Bilderberg and the Rockefellers. They all were pitting the Evangelicals against the Catholics as if it were the Hatfields and McCoys all over again. They used endless arguments with some strange combination of conspiracy theories, guesswork and slander ad nauseam.

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Most Bible Prophecy books and the majority of Prophecy websites are either plagued with new deceptions or have passed down old traditional theories that stemmed from con artists who concocted their theories by finding verses that match a certain subject they wish to slander. For example, if there is a “round” wafer used in the Roman Catholic mass, deceivers like Alexander Hislop who is neither an archeologist nor historian would apply these scripture verses that speak of pagan worship then use archeology to show that ancient Egyptians worshipped sun discs to even connect Mariology to the worship of the sun god Baal and Samiramis. Ill intended research always disregards how Catholics view the matter, that Jesus is viewed as fulfillment of the very manna given by the Lord from heaven which was also round (Exod. 16:14–15).

A Catholic could argue that the square wafers used in the Protestant communion looks as square as the Muslim Ka’ba and heck even the Tefillin which Jews put on their forehead looks nearly identical to the Ka’ba, and therefore conclude that the Protestant wafer is pagan, as well the Jewish tifillim, regardless that such traditions stem from Jewish practices, the first called the Matza and both are referred to in Scripture. Now I could also argue that since the Tefillin box is not specifically mentioned in Scripture, there is no command to have the Shema (Hera O Israel) in a box, so now, would the Messianic and the Evangelical approach the Jew and tell him he is practicing paganism? But why is it that so many pick on the Catholic?

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The rule of thumb in studying prophecy is this; hunting for similarity without looking at the differences is not proof. There needs to always be a legitimate connection.

I could write an entire book declaring Judaism as the Antichrist religion and argue that a Jew putting a Ka’ba looking box on his forehead is the Mark of the Beast.

Deceivers take a few verses like “no one can buy and sell” in regards to the Mark of the Beast to conclude that the verse was speaking about global economy. And so when Scripture says that the “shipmasters at sea will weep and wail Alas that great city” (the harlot city) is destroyed “for no one buys their merchandise any longer,” they would then conclude that this is speaking of a total economic collapse.

Really?

The prudent examines scriptural differences from other verses regarding this harlot city. It is then that we find the differences in which neither Rome, New York City or Jerusalem match. Mystery Babylon is in a “desert” surrounded by waters (seas) and it’s by the Red Sea (Jeremiah 49:21) and not the Hudson River. Its imports are “marble” “silk” and even “ivory” and “slaves”.  Neither New York or Rome imports these. The vicinities of this “Babylon” within the context of “Babylon is Fallen is Fallen” in Isaiah 21 mentions “Dumah” “Kedar” and “Arabia”, not Rome or New York City. And just because we find references of “seven mountains” and that Jerusalem is compared to “Sodom and Gomorrah” and we find the Harlot city depicted as “Sodom and Gomorrah” becomes meaningless if we find one single difference in Scripture that does not match.

By avoiding the major differences, con artists, deceivers and the simply mistaken, then proclaim coming Harbingers to follow 9/11’s attack on New York, which include a set of curses upon America that were extrapolated from prophecies regarding ancient Israel (major difference) when God made Israel desolate killing even all the sycamore trees and whatever vines and olive trees throughout the land. So now, if a sycamore tree got destroyed next to the Twin Towers during 9/11 this became a heavenly sign of America’s impending doom, regardless that we still have all of our other sycamore trees intact. Then they transfer the prophecies about Israel to America claiming to an Ahistoric church that the U.S. is the first “Christian Nation” and is the “Extension of Israel” when fact is Armenia and not the United States, historically was the first Christian.

Always examine the historic references they use when history is discussed and examine how reputable these historians are. Make sure that theologians are not passed as historians. If one insists on trusting a theologian as historian because he agrees with his theological view is as if one trusts his pastor to perform his brain surgery. You could end up with a lobotomy.

 

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People need to always think; if this demonic terrorism’s main intent is to “terrorize,” why would the Bible Prophecy gurus aid them using false scare tactics that God removed the hedge of protection from the United States, regardless that America was never mentioned once in Scripture!

One verse which debunks such nonsense is Ezekiel 28:7-8 which mentions that the most powerful nations militarily will be coming against the Antichrist and that these will defeat him including even that these nations will cast the Antichrist into the pit:

“I am going to bring foreigners against you,
 the most ruthless of nations;
 they will draw their swords against your beauty and wisdom
 and pierce your shining splendor. They will bring you down to the pit,
 and you will die a violent death
 in the heart of the seas.”

It was uplifting to see, but sharing this once to the World Net Daily readers gained a litany of negative comments by the majority of comments saying that I do not know what I was talking about, that America “will be doomed”.

Still yet, they insist that America since it was not mentioned by name that it must be gone from the scene of end-times as if the absence of evidence is evidence. There are over a hundred nations that are not mentioned in Scripture and the ones that are mentioned are the ones that God set His eye on to destroy.

Over twenty years of dealing with such nonsense I discovered that quoting scripture means little in the Bible Prophecy world that is so used to lumping verses into abstract thought in which allegory is turned upside down and made literal while literal is turned into allegory and where they find one similarity to make a grand finale.

For example: The harlot of Babylon is a city with seven hills and a verse is quoted saying that this alludes to Rome since it has seven hills, without including the volume of other verses that never described this “Babylon” to anything remotely close to Rome which was a city that the Bible “called to be saints” (Romans 1:7). Neither the itemized imports of this Harlot City mentioned in the Bible, the typography of its geographic descriptions and location (by the Red Sea) or that it is surrounded by waters, or that even the Bible gives its vicinities (“Dumah,” “Kedar,” and “Arabia”) made any difference to these so-called Bible Prophecy “scholars”.

But I owe the Bible Prophecy lobby a confession. Although I have met and shared platforms with the big guns selling misinformation like the street drug-pusher, all the while I addressed the addicts who didn’t really know the little secret I always kept to myself for decades.

Here, I will finally confess and tell it; I was never interested in what people call “Bible Prophecy,” and in fact, I never liked the term. I did use the term since its like saying “crack” to the addict, and I still do in order to infiltrate divide and conquer from within.

Was I dishonest? No.

I spoke throughout the years to people I fervently wanted to heal from the addiction called “Bible Prophecy” in order to help millions recover from the chaotic deception and the divisive hype, but I did it without them realizing that they are kicking the habit since by consuming a more balanced diet which included all the other verses that were sort of ignored or hidden from them by the slick Prophecy teacher. I did this for years and I don’t ever recall meeting a Jesuit Priest.

And there is nothing wrong with being a spy or to use divide and conquer techniques, a Christian is to be as wise as the devil, we can infiltrate error, conquer error and let the word of God be the dividing sword to conquer evil. We should infiltrate the media and whatever avenue to find a way to make enough noise that would even reach to Capitol Hill; America is destined in the end to fight and not to cower for Islam and this Prophecy Mania is not helping but hindering. Most of my work is actually anti-Prophecy-mania debunking misconceptions.

 

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Beware of categorizing Scripture in different charts and compartments sticking chapters and verses into a timetable as if Ezekiel 38 and Psalm 83 happens before Armageddon or lumping one quarter of the Bible into a category they call “Bible Prophecy”.

This is as absurd as racial segregation, in which we categorize the Bible as black in one section and white in another, yet there is the yellow … and each must only flock with its own kind, while other chapters that are less popular, or do not fit in our Armageddon scenario, end up in the ghettos.

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So we popularize Ezekiel 38 as a Russian war and the two hundred million man army as a Chinese war and Daniel 9 and Daniel 2, as a Roman European war, as if these were a superior race, while the entire theme in Zechariah 9 in which Christ fights Ionia (Turkey) or Isaiah 19 in which Christ fights Muslim Egypt and Ezekiel 28 all the way to 32, which include all the literal names of nations in Antichrist’s coalition of nations would end up in concentration camps, because they do not refer to Europeans, but to Muslims as the enemy.

So instead of Americans throwing the Antichrist and his minions into “the pit”, they threw portions of God’s word into “the pit”.

So much for “All Scripture” which was translated to “Sola Scriptura”.

The real nature of Antichrist became hidden including his spiritual makeup (denies Father and Son, 1 John 2:22) and his harlot riding his back must be the Roman pontificate, of course. And even now, as they began to hear their crowds complaining “what about the Muslims,” so they concocted a combination burrito including Mecca collaborating with Rome all the while God said it was a “city,” a single “city”. They find two babylons, three and even four, just pile up as many babylons to tickle anyone’s ears.

The Pope is an easier pick than the Muslim, for he never proclaims to cut your head off like the Muslim, and there are no heart-plucking cannibals in Catholic territory; these savages were converted by Catholics and now the Catholics need to be converted by reading Harbingers, Left Behind, Woman Rides the Beast and watch ahistoric loons like Michael Rood.

All this is not simply innocent error, but a systematic and deliberate slander and deception. It is difficult to believe that these forgot to read the whole of Scripture to see the differences from Catholicism or to overlook the similar verses that pertain to Muslim territory in context that speaks of the “Day of the Lord” and “Babylon”. It was their perception of Catholic theology that was the dynamo for their theories and not “Scripture alone” as they claimed.

It is also a myth to believe that one fourth of the Bible is prophecy.

Truth is, every word that proceeds from the Holy Spirit of God is Prophecy. In other words, all the stories, themes and declarations in Scripture were prophetic as when God breathed He prophesied, period, amen, Christus Vincet.

It is utterly wrong to say that, “The Bible has prophecies,” no, no, no, Scripture, all Scripture is prophecy.

Even if one looks at the Sermon on the Mount where Christ says blessed are you when they persecute you …” it too was prophecy, the Shepherd was giving His farewell speech and prophesied to His sheep that they were about to become Shish-Kabobs. The sheep were destined to the arena to be mutilated and burned, alive.

And if Jesus said, “If you have faith of a mustard seed, you can tell the mountains to move and they will move” this is also Prophecy, for a mountain is a kingdom and Christ promised His disciples to move mountains which are nations, and indeed they did. And where are we here moving mountains? We are too busy moving around, church hopping, our prayers are over solving marriages by talking about marriage way too much. Maria, my wife, stuck it out because she was raised that putting up with her man was a sacrament. Period. Amen. Christus Vincet.

To me Prophecy is the Bible and the Bible is all Prophecy and all I had to say was “prophecy” when I meant the entire Scripture and they got excited to get their fix while I introduced the Bible as a whole, all of which was prophecy.

And where does Scripture say to teach “Bible Prophecy”?

What ever happened to All Scripture? People who focus on a biblical compartment called Bible Prophecy are in error and the bigger the name of the prophecy teacher and volume of copies they printed, the bigger the error and the more dangerous the teacher.

And no, the sheep was no victim, he too would seek what would tickle his ears and be seduced by deceptive spirits. Bible Prophecy, secluded, if anything generates a lazy and a slanderous sheep.

During my life I was more interested in befriending the kind, the loving, the sacrificial, the honest, the patient with a spiritual stamina and longevity. I would always prefer these over sitting down with the Prophecy icons. I found these to be boring individuals who share an exciting hype and are always looking to promote their names. These would impress by sending the limousine to the airport forgetting that all the wealth they made came from claiming a name of someone who rode a donkey back in my village in Bethlehem.

Even the name “Bethlehem” was in itself prophetic; “Bayt” (House), and “Lehem” (Bread in Hebrew and or Flesh in ancient Aramaic). Indeed, He was our Bethlehem; He was the bread of life and He was the lamb of God (flesh).

The donkey is even prophetic. Jesus used the donkey to be delivered because He came to be humble, meek and lowly in His first coming. And if the donkey delivered Him, He used the lowly to deliver His message. Being the humble donkey myself, I avoided even considering mingling with the popular.

 

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I refused to even read their works and even tossed their privately signed copies of their books in the trash bin were most of it belonged. I would never read certain brilliant geniuses like Steven Hockings, Carl Marx, Rousseau, Galton, Martin Luther or John Calvin. I perused enough of their poison to realize its poison.

Why I reject these is simple; the devil always breeds rebels who rename their rebelliousness as “protests” and paint themselves as “revolutionary thinkers”. These are self-proclaimed “philosophers” and “brilliant prophets” they always tell us to despise the government so they can become themselves the government.

These all want to be Head Master.

And it was:

“For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.” (1 John 3:8)

Even the verse “For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil” is prophecy.

The Catholics were right not focus on the Bible Prophecy mania crowd starting from the Great Late Planet Earth to the Left Behind series which created a generation that uses “Bible Prophecy” as if it is a time clock forgetting that Prophecy is about doing God’s work. The devil steals robs and kills. This is what Jesus told us about the devil. He steals Scripture, twists them making them into conspiracy theories and outright slander, then he repackages them for sale since slander and gossip sells. It has risen an entire lazy generation. We complain about Catholic indulgences, yet Bible Prophecy is the sort of indulgences that the laity pay to the author who promises them that soon, they will hit an eject button and they will be with them in paradise.

The Bible itself in 4000 years produced about 400 pages. That is an average of a page every decade. So in every ten years, perhaps we should write one page to see whether we found any signs of the times and give a report and then a thousand pages that exposes stargazers and false prophets.

In ten years, I find that Pope Francis finally said something in his daily homily on the end times declaring for the first time that the end is near. What he said, while its definitely void of any excitement makes absolute good sense saying that faith will be increasingly pushed out of the public square and that persecution of Christians is a “prophecy” of what is to come.

Many would ask; so what’s the big deal about what the Pope said? My Grand Papa can say the same thing.

Well, this is why they call him the Grand Papa; these worked hard and they say very little while the young say much and do very little. The other ‘Grand Papa,’ Pius XII said so little during Hitler’s reign that books way later accused him for saying so little and for not speaking out during the Holocaust and he was falsely given the title “Hitler’s Pope” when in fact he rescued more Jews than any other man known to history all the while he was slandered more than any other man in history. Slanderers make a success at selling books to the foolish masses who buy the toilet paper at the sound of “hear ye, hear ye …”

Which was better; The Protestant who studied about Ezekiel’s Valley of the Dry Bones which prophesied the Holocaust and the soon to be reestablished State of Israel, or the Catholic who rescued Jews and knew little about the Prophecy. The Samaritan who knew much less than the Pharisee was viewed by Christ as the hero who helped the suffering victim on his way to Jericho.

Why?

It is because the moral values and obedience to sacraments to a Catholic come before learning when the apocalypse begins. From the Catholic I learned, its what you do and not what you say that counts. Jesus will not say: “For I was hungry and you spoke out and taught Bible Prophecy”.

The Grand Papa Francis then said directing his comments to those gathered in the chapel of the Vatican’s Saint Martha guesthouse for his daily Mass on Nov. 28, reflecting on the day’s reading taken from the Gospel of Luke, in which Jesus speaks of the trials and tribulations that will precede the end times, the pontiff explained that when the Lord refers to this in another passage, “he tells us that it will be a desecration of the temple.”

 It will be “a profanation of the faith, of the people,” he continued, and “it will be an abomination, it will be desolation and abomination.”

“What does this mean?” the Pope asked the Mass attendees, responding, “It will be like the triumph of the prince of this world: the defeat of God.”

Indeed, Grand Papas are boring. Francis did not discuss the Temple Institute in Jerusalem and the Red Heifer and the golden artifacts. For decades people got all excited that a heifer was raised to later find out it did not qualify because God chose a white strand on its forehead, which deemed the Heifer only good for hamburger.

But everybody got excited. Indeed, there are many temples, the body, the Church and the physical temple.

“It seems at that final moment of calamity, it seems like he will take over this world, he will master of the world,” the pontiff observed, adding that in that time we will become aware this apparent victory over God would be more devastating than a great natural disaster.

 These worldly powers which seek to destroy God, noted the Pope, also manifest in the contemporary desire to keep religion as “a private thing,” alluding to the fact that today many religious symbols have become taboo.

 “You must obey the orders which come from worldly powers. You can do many things, beautiful things, but not adore God. Worship is prohibited. This is at the center of the end of time.”

Indeed, and if I may add, the hatred of religious symbols and Christian icons.

Once we “reach the fullness of this pagan attitude,” the Pope continued, “then yes, he will come…’ truly the Son of Man will come in a cloud with great power and glory.’”

 Christians who “suffer times of persecution, times of prohibition of worship” because of their beliefs, are a prophecy of what will happen to us all,” he emphasized.

Speaking of the prophet Daniel in the first reading who was thrown into the lion’s den because he refused to denounce his faith, Pope Francis encouraged those in attendance not to be afraid, saying that God “only asks of us faithfulness and patience.” 

“Fidelity like Daniel, who was faithful to his God and adored God until the end. And patience, because the hairs of our heads will not fall out. The Lord has promised this.”

 Urging those present at the Mass to continue reflecting throughout the week on this “general apostasy” which “is called the prohibition of worship,” the Pope challenged them to ask themselves “Do I worship the Lord?”

 “Do I adore Jesus Christ, the Lord? Or, a little half and half, do I in some way play game of the prince of this world?”

 “Worship until the end,” the Pope concluded, “with confidence and fidelity: this is the grace we must ask for this week.” (Vatican City, Nov 28, 2013 / 10:34 am (CNA/EWTN News).

So, maybe in 10 years he will perhaps say “don’t take the mark of the beast …” Catholics wait on authority, while most of the Bible Prophecy mania crowd become authority.

In realty what that Catholic was subconsciously saying is that Catholics and Evangelicals need to study Prophecy not Prophecy Mania.

Prophecy is to be handled by a handful few and not by everyone with Bible in hand and access to the Internet:

“The teaching of the wise is a fountain of life, turning a person from the snares of death.” (Proverbs 13:14)

I was always perceived as a Bible Prophecy bug while many others thought I was simply a loon. The later is my preference since no one seeks to kill loons and they receive quite the psychiatric attention too. It was rather encouraging to see that I am even listed on a website called Loon Watch with others like Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity, both Catholics, perhaps not perfect Catholics, but perhaps men who try to seek wisdom are always lumped by the fool as “agents of the devil”.

And while the scoffers mock. I look at these images, icons, art, liturgy and I hear a voice from the everlasting that grips my spirit. What a difference does the pure sounds do to one’s inner soul. There lays Hagia Sophia, occupied by devils who hung their banners and etched their blasphemies against God in the Temple of God. But no matter what the devil does, its walls utters prophecies which echoes through wonderful liturgy as if it cries out to the Father awaiting the Son to come down from heaven and deliver her from her shackles:

Come Quickly.

Christus Vincet.

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  • star

    I think you are still missing the point here walid..but maybe its the beginning of you turning over the stone in yourself and the catholics on this site..that a man needs to be born again..and thru the holy spirit gods speaks into us his word, his spirit, his wisdom and his secret places, I do believe all the bible is prophetic and the living word.. as an evangelical I do not gasp or oogle with the great prophetic kooks or faith movement..i test the spirits.. I think its foreign to you to think in terms of just the bible without the catholic faith at this time..since you came from such a far place as being muslim.. glory to god he pulled you to him and from the fire..but he still needs to pull you even closer.. for you are gifted and a watchman..its not that you might discover that the pope is satanic..maybe some have been and maybe some have not..but the key is you will find that the catholic faith is not pure just as the episcopal is not and the pagan do not have the truth.. nor the American indian..they all have some truth..but once fired thru the glass of the bible and the holy spirit one can sort thru what is real and what is deception. the road is narrow.. I am grateful for your studies and your wisdom..but I still harken you to seek diligently as I know you will do.. for the truth. god is revealing it to you even now.. you will come to the full saving knowledge of him and being born again.. and will not attach the name catholic to yourself one day. either way..i am in prayer for you and your mission for souls, lives and truth.

    • shoebat

      Star:

      You wrote “as an evangelical …”

      And then you wrote:

      “the catholic faith is not pure just as the episcopal ..”

      And I ask: What about the Evangelical? Is it pure?

    • koolmom21

      I think you are still missing the point here! Walid could have address this well thought-out article to you. Dear Star, …
      No one is perfect for we all are human; even you.

      • star

        walid is seeking the truth even now ..that is how his spirit is carved. yes im human unfortunately, but I am called of god to shed this light.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Funny that the prophecy buffs that take allegorical and make it literal never apply their own standard to Matt 5:14 and conclude Rome to be the city set on a hill as they do for Rev 17:9. Jesus stated that only His Father in heaven knew the date and time, for us to be alert and to watch, he never implied that we obsess or focus over the ‘end times’. How many black eyes has Christianity (and the Bible) as a whole received because of the date setters and the Chicken Littles? Too many.

  • AnthonyM

    Great article, lot of things to think about. It seems to me that Satan attacks those who oppose him.

    • shoebat

      “It seems to me that Satan attacks those who oppose him”.

      And who is this one who “oppose him”?

      That would be you Anthony.

      That is because you are Satan Ready and not Rapture Ready 😉

      Keep your icons handy. Don’t forget the holy water.

      • star

        Anthony has seemed like a good man so far…. i think he was stating an obvious fact..of course satan hates all who oppose him. ..did i miss something ::)

        • koolmom21

          Yes, you miss something. Too many people think they will be rapture out of the world when the antichrist comes. Instead of preparing to be taken we should be prepared to fight. Get it now? “Satan Ready and not Rapture Ready ;-)”

          • star

            satan will eat you alive.

          • Kathleen Immaculata Militia

            That is a very un-Christian thing to say star.Are you sure you are born again?Not judging , just asking

          • star

            there is so much evil on this site. its sickening.. its obvious your not..you cant even see purity..man this site is a joke

          • Kathleen Immaculata Militia

            Star how were you born again?

          • Julie LaBrecque

            If there is so much evil on this site you should flee from it. By what standard do you gauge purity?

          • koolmom21

            I am not worth speaking to? LOL The only comments you get back are from people trying to teach you right from wrong because you are clueless.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            But she is guided by the Holy Spirit! She is ‘testing’ Walid.

          • star

            exactly

      • gloria royal

        You guys call people satan way to much. We are all in the same family one body many members. YES

        • star

          we are not in the same family with those who have not been born again..they do not have the truth in them this is why the enemy still divides..

      • star

        Anthony didn’t say anything wrong..he was stating a fact.. that satan attacks those who oppose him..there is a lot of truth in it..look at attacks coming from the catholics here.. we oppose the doctrine.. me and Gloria royal.. we know the truth is jesus alone saves. but you and also the other catholics here.. are very argumentative.. and deceived by your catholic doctrine.

    • gloria royal

      Dont you thi k that article was a little long. Bless his heart

      • shoebat

        Indeed.

  • John Sobieski

    Walid, along with Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly, you will no doubt be very comforted to learn the following. That site “Loon Watch” was created essentially as a parody of another great Catholic fighter today (and someone who is fighting right alongside you in this epic battle against Islam)…Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch. “Jihad Watch” speaks the truth about Islam, so the creators called their site “Loon Watch” as a put down to Mr. Spencer. Knowing Robert, I’m sure he wears that smear from those leftists as a badge of honor. Yes, you are in very good company.

    And while we’re on the subject of things Catholic…may I tentatively [and respectfully] say the following. Thanks in large part (no doubt) to the prayers of your lovely wife and of your mother, I believe that one day in the not so distant future both you and Theodore will be received into full communion with the Catholic Church. Over the years, I have had several close friends “become Catholic” and they all sounded exactly as you [and Theodore] sound recently. I could always tell that you were someone who seeks after the Truth, no matter where that leads you. And that is why I have always been quietly confident that one day you would “cross the Tiber”, as they say. I believe that the Catholic Church is, even with all its bumps and defects, the true Church founded by Christ (Matt.16:13-19). And since you are a seeker of the Truth, I believe that one day you will enter into full communion with Peter. “Ubi Petrus ibi Ecclesiae”: “Where Peter is, there is the Church”. And like both [brilliant and famous] Protestant converts before you, Scott Hahn and Peter Kreeft, what sealed the deal was no doubt your reading of the Fathers of the Church. Both Kreeft and Hahn say that reading the early Church Fathers helped them tremendously to see the authenticity of the Catholic Church, despite all its evident human flaws.

    Like St. Monica, St. Augustine’s mother, I believe the prayers of your own mother and of your wife have been heard by the Lord. May God Himself richly bless you and your family always.

    • shoebat

      The Tiber is only 300 feet wide. It shouldn’t be difficult to cross, but the question is; who will take me there.

  • shoebat

    “catholics only of late are permitted to read the scriptures”

    Proof please? How do you know who read their Bibles and who didn’t? Scripture is shared everywhere in Orthodox and Catholic churches.

    • star

      you for sure have read your bible shoey..this I know, much deeper than I have… but I can say that most catholics do not do as born agains do and read the word..they follow the dogma at church and repeat after me and sacraments… my grandma of a million years..never read her bible once..sadly, but she did love god and her rosary.

      • shoebat

        One can read their Bible all their life, it makes no difference if they did not follow it. A person who read one verse and follows is better than a million who read an don’t. Your grand mother must have been a good woman.

        • star

          well honestly I wonder why u are balking at truth walid, could it be im right about you needing to be born again, actually she had some very deep issues in the end, I hope she was truly saved, I can say not nearly the woman I am.

        • Kathleen Immaculata Militia

          Absolutely , like you just ‘get saved ‘ by reading the bible? People forget up until the last century most of the population of the world were illiterate. People were too busy just surviving , education was an indulgence they could not afford.People ‘heard’ the Gospel .

        • star

          ..

    • You will hear in one liturgy more Scripture in one Sunday than Protestants will quote in a year. What gall!

  • shoebat

    Welcome to the rest of the rejects MetalMaster 😉

  • star

    u are following the catholic faith, you have not yet been born again, trust me you will know it when it happens. walid seeks all truth, and in that he will find. he is a true man of god.

    • Kathleen Immaculata Militia

      Catholics are born again of water and Spirit.How are you born again Star?Are you born again the bible way like a Catholic?

      • star

        the holy spirit ..removes the veil, your still veiled.

        • shoebat

          Star, am I born again in your view?

          • star

            I think if you were you would hve already been speaking the words I am to those spouting the catholic rederick here, just as you hve to other faiths you deem as false… I have been testing your spirit and sense your still veiled, you also show aggression for my speaking this truth and have let countless fools on this site.. continue to speak lies.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Are you in the pool of the countless fools he allows on this site?

          • shoebat

            There was a leak in the bathroom section, and she seeped through, but we plugged it, nevertheless, it takes time until the smell goes away.

          • Rapheal Sebastian

            I like it when fools come on here and spout nonsense like you do. Especially when they use made up words like “rederick”.

        • Julie LaBrecque

          ‘This IS my body’. I think you need to have the veil lifted.

  • shoebat

    I love you wittiness Kathleen Immaculata Militia.

    • Kathleen Immaculata Militia

      I am actually dumbfounded at the number of assertion people make about Catholicism without actually knowing what Catholics actually believe.This has been very eye opening .

      • shoebat

        Its because people go to scoffers instead of original sources.

      • Molon Labe

        I was christened in the heresy of the Roman Catholic Church as a baby because they told my mother I would go to hell if she didn’t let them sprinkle me. She left the RCC when she met Jesus Christ and became born again. The Catholic Church has massacred plenty of Christians who refused to believe the church’s false doctrine.
        It’s ironic on this site — people condemn Muslims for beheading Christians, but its okay for the RCC to have turned a blind eye to the Holocaust and to have set men like Jan Hus on fire.

        • shoebat

          Your still a baby Molon Labe. When you say “plenty” you do not give us who or any numbers. Here, try to refute this (but I have a hunch you won’t, you just came to throw rocks):

          John MacArthur, in writing on the crimes of the Catholic Church (which are, to him, worse than the iniquities of Satan) believes that

          the Roman Catholic Church has put to death more than fifty million “heretics” between A.D. 606 (the birth of the papacy) and the mid-1800s (1)

          From where did he obtain this date of 606? There were heretics who were killed earlier than this. The first person to be executed for heresy was one Priscillian, who taught a doctrine in Spain which was a combination of Manichaeism and gnosticism, and in 383 he was executed. (2)

          John MacArthur

          Another good example of this ahistoricity is John Hagee, just perusing his work one can see his vociferous disposition, and calumny toward the Catholic Church. When I was reading one of his books a number of weeks ago, I noticed how inept he is when it comes to sighting historic documents while he writes as though as he is an historian, making emphatically extreme accusations against the Catholic Church.

          Hagee blames the Spanish Inquisition on the Catholic Church, and says that because of it, “326,362 people were burned alive”. (3) Dave Hunt writes that the Inquisition had 300,000 people burnt at the stake.

          Tim LaHaye, in a description reminiscent to the blood libel against Jews, writes that under the Spanish Inquisition,

          no fewer than 900,000 Protestants were put to death, in the Pope’s war for the extermination of the Waldenses. Think of monks and priests directing, with heartless cruelty and inhuman brutality, the work of torturing and burning alive innocent men and women; and doing it in the Name of Christ, by the direct order of the “Vicar of Christ.” (4)

          Not one reputable historian would agree with any of these numbers, and I dare anyone to find some first hand accounts, with worthy veracity, which affirms that under the Spanish Inquisition “326,362 people were burned alive,” “300,000 people burnt at the stake”, and “no fewer than 900,000 Protestants were put to death”.

          All of these unfounded numbers of supposed massacred people seem to be taken from one initial claim, and by the time so many of these theologians use it, the amount of dead are recounted with a ridiculous number in one book, and an equally erroneous number in another. It is quite amazing, how a lie travels only to be mutilated into countless other lies. This reckless and irresponsible presenting of fabrications as truth, is just one illustration of what happens when pastors play the role of historians.

          Sadder than this, is the fact that people believe them. We have all heard the maxim, that if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and so many use this when attacking liberals, without realizing that the great multitude who have accepted, without contention, the repeated lies against the Catholic Church, have fallen for this very method of deception.

          All of these teachers have their sycophants, just look at this video of evangelical pastor Skip Heitzig saying “I’m not going to argue with Tim LaHaye” (starting at around 2:06):

          I would argue with Tim LaHaye if I were on that stage. He, at around the 1:30 mark of the video, said that Russia, before the last 100 years was “a nothing nation”, but can only look at Russia’s Peter the Great and his war with the Ottoman Empire to know that this statement of LaHaye is pure rubbish.

          Here is a brief, and factual, analysis on the Spanish Inquisition’s executions. In the first fifteen years of the Inquisition’s existence two thousand Jews were slaughtered. This was not because of the Catholic Church, but on account of the rejection of its authority and influence. In fact, when Jews fled Spain, the nation that opened their borders for them more than any other was Rome. There was even a saying within the Catholic Church, that “Rome is the paradise of the Jews.”

          Most of the Spanish clergy in Rome were in fact of Jewish origin. (5) And regardless of the common assertion, no Jews are known to have fled to Turkey until a long time later. (5.1)

          In the three hundred and fifty years of its existence, the Inquisition executed only four thousand people. (6) That’s about eleven people a year. It took them this amount of time to execute four thousand lives, whereas the Muslims, in the one year of 1066, managed to slaughter three thousand Jews in the Spanish city of Granada alone, (7) and this is after they conquered Spain.

          The absence of prudence when speaking of historical events, is again exemplified in a book written by Tim LaHaye and Thomas Ice, in which the Spanish Inquisition is akin to Hitler’s Holocaust:

          Anyone who reads history must admit that the Inquisition and Hitler’s holocaust were far worse and occurred long after A.D. 70. (8)

          This statement illustrates their ahistorical, and slanderous, way of discourse.

          What the Romans did to the Jews in 70 A.D. was much more brutal, cruel, and severe, than the Spanish Inquisition. The Romans committed more bloodshed within the year 70, than what the Spaniards did in 350 years. The historian Josephus, in his history of the Jewish War, in which he took part, describes the Romans’ innumerable crucifixions of Jews:

          so they [the Jews] were first whipped, and then tormented with all sorts of tortures before they died, and were crucified before the wall of the city. This miserable procedure made Titus greatly to pity them, while they caught every day five hundred Jews; nay, some days they caught more … So the soldiers out of the wrath and hatred they bore the Jews, nailed those they caught, one after one way, and another after another, to the crosses, by way of jest; when their multitude was so great, that room was wanting for the crosses, and crosses wanting for the bodies (9)

          The Jews after the Roman conquest of Jerusalem

          Hagee shows his lack of historical assiduousness when he writes on the Spanish Inquisition. He writes:

          The point must be made that this Inquisition was established by the Roman church and received its power directly from the pope. (10)

          But here is the reality: The Inquisition was under the control of Spanish monarchs, since it was a Spanish affair, not under the jurisdiction of the papacy. While the authority of the inquisitors came directly or indirectly from Rome, the fact still remains that from its very inception the Spanish Inquisition was established to be a governmental institution.

          King Ferdinand who, with his queen Isabella, commenced the Inquisition, declared to his inquisitors in 1486:

          Although you and the others enjoy the title of inquisitor, it is I and the queen who have appointed you, and without our support you can do very little.

          Ferdinand actually once claimed that confiscations of property imposed upon heretics were by the order of the pope, making it seem as though it was the Church that was responsible for the punishment. But in fact it was the secular authorities who carried out the taking of property, not the Church.

          Ferdinand, in 1501, actually issued a decree prohibiting anyone from asserting that the Inquisition was under papal authority, “because”, he said, “in fact it is all ours.” (11)

          The constitutional rules for the Inquisition, written by Cardinal Torquemada, were made “in concert with the King.”

          The lower inquisitors answered to the Grand Inquisitor who could not act without the authorization of the Supreme Council, which was not established by the Catholic Church. Thus when the Inquisition acted, they did so as royal judges, not ecclesiastical judges. (12)

          From a report of the Spanish Committee we find that

          in no Papal Bull, can it be found, that the Supreme Council has the right to decide any cause, in the absence of the Grand Inquisitor,–but which, however, is constantly done, without the slenderest difficulty.

          The report concludes to say that “in these cases, the Councillors act, not as Ecclesiastical, but as Royal judges.”

          Moreover, in showing its secular status, the Committee states that “neither at present, nor formerly, could any order of the Inquisition be, I do not say, executed, but so much as published, without the previous consent of the King.” (13)

          The historian Garnier affirms that “the Religious Inquisition was nothing more nor less than a Political Institution.” (14)

          Ferdinand was, in fact, so filled with rage against the Pope, that he pretended to disbelieve in the legitimacy of the papal bull.

          For the next half-century the Papacy attempted to intervene in the Inquisition in order to stop abuses. For example, there were bulls by Pope Innocent VIII issued on February 11 and July 15, 1485, which asked for more mercy and leniency, and for greater use of secret conversions of heretics, on the part of the Inquisition.

          Papal intervention would lead to several quarrels between the crown and the Catholic Church. (15)

          Whether or not the crown would listen to the Pope completely depended on the monarchy. When Innocent VIII strived to have a policy of sending papal letters to accused people appealing to Rome, Ferdinand hindered the Pope and decreed that anyone who used papal letters of appeal without royal permission would be put to death and their property confiscated by the state. (16)

          Hagee goes even so far as to carelessly, and without diligence, affirm that the pope condoned the raping of Jewish women in the First Crusade:

          As a “bonus,” the Crusaders were permitted to rob the Jews of their possessions. They could murder the Jews and rape their daughters and wives, and all was forgiven by the pope even before they left on the Crusade. (17)

          This is purely slanderous as one can see clearly, when reading his book, that he didn’t take the slightest measure of time to make reference to any primary source from the time of the Crusades in order to prove his assertions.

          A primary source is a document written at, and recording events of, a particular time in history. When one reads primary sources, one is reading history, and when one reads a modern book on a past event, one is reading a book on history. Hagee’s book is absent of any primary sources when making such outlandish claims.

          It is unjust, to blame an entire cause with evils completely contradictory to itself. Was there violence done by specific crusaders? Yes. But one must differentiate between the stated mission of the Crusade, made by Pope Urban II, and the deeds of a few men which are completely out of order from the initial goal.

          The mission of the First Crusade can be found in Urban’s speech in the Council of Clermont.

          When one is reading the Council of Clermont, which was the meeting that commenced the First Crusade in 1095, you will find no mention of killing or raping Jews by Pope Urban II, the man whose zealous voice ignited the unquenchable desire to fight for the Holy Land. Although, you will find mention of Muslim barbarians destroying churches and persecuting the saints, and the call to war with Islam and to preserve the eastern Christians.

          There was no call made by Urban II to kill or rape Jews; one could sight the sacrilegious massacres done by certain people during the Crusades, but that can only be attributed to the wickedness of these murderous men, and not the Church.

          Hagee, after writing all of this, issued an apology toward the Catholics, confessing that he was wrong in his libelous material against them:

          In the process, I may have contributed to the mistaken impression that the anti-Jewish violence of the Crusades and the Inquisition defines the Catholic Church.

          The apology extended by Hagee was politically motivated, since it was done during John McCain’s campaign, in which Hagee was humiliated by McCain’s disowning and rejection of him.

          Hagee has continued with his flimsy, fragmented, and inadequately general accusations against the Church. In his most recent book, written in 2013, Hagee again blamed Pope Urban II for trivializing and forgiving the rapists and murderers of Jewish people:

          The first crusade was declared by Pope Urban II in 1095. The Crusaders were rapists and thieves, forgiven in advance by the reigning pope for any sins they might commit while on their holy campaign to liberate Jerusalem from the infidels. (18)

          Were all the Crusaders rapists? Did they all go for the purpose of ravishing and pillaging? Hagee never takes the time to give us the slightest example, from historical documentation, of these sorts of crimes. He just says it, and people modishly believe it.

          In the same book, Hagee also thoughtlessly says that the seven major Crusades were in fact pogroms against the Jews:

          Historic Christianity has left an evil legacy. It is responsible for the Crusades, in which Jewish people from Europe to Jerusalem were slaughtered in seven major pogroms (crusades).

          Hagee apparently does not know the difference between a pogrom and a crusade. A pogrom is an organized massacre, orchestrated against a specific ethnic group. A crusade (from the French, croisée) simply signifies the state of one taking up his cross for a certain Christian cause. The Crusade was not a pogrom, because it was not deliberately targeting an ethnic group, but a religion, which for the most part part was Islam.

          Hagee never takes the time to even explain the goals of each of these seven particular Crusades which took place in the Middle Ages. The Crusades, primarily, were done to drive the Muslims out of Eastern Christendom, and to preserve the Faith of the Nazarene in the Middle East. This object was that of the First Crusade, as was explicitly stated by Pope Urban II in a statement completely void of any justification of rape or murder:

          Your brotherhood, we believe, has long since learned from many accounts that a barbaric fury has deplorably afflicted and laid waste the churches of God in the regions of the Orient. More than this, blasphemous to say, it has even grasped in intolerable servitude its churches and the Holy City of Christ, glorified by His passion and resurrection. Grieving with pious concern at this calamity, we visited the regions of Gaul [France] and devoted ourselves largely to urging the princes of the land and their subjects to free the churches of the East. (19)

          The rest of the Crusades followed after, and were all done for the purpose of crushing Islam.

          There is even an incident within the history of the Crusades of support for Jews. St. Bernard, who was one of the strongest advocates for the Crusades, supported the fight against Islam, but condemned any sort of violence towards Jews in Israel.

          St. Bernard preached against the dangers of the teachings of a Cistercian monk named Raoul who called for the slaughters of the Jews (20):

          Is it not a far better triumph for the Church to convince and convert the Jews than to put them all to the sword? Has that prayer which the Church offers for the Jews, from the rising up of the sun to the going down thereof, that the veil may be taken from their hearts so that they may be led from the darkness of error into the light of truth, been instituted in vain? If she did not hope that they would believe and be converted, it would seem useless and vain for her to pray for them. But with the eye of mercy she considers how the Lord regards with favour him who renders good for evil and love for hatred. …Who is this man [Raoul] that he should make out the Prophet to be a liar and render void the treasures of Christ’s love and pity? (21)

          Another error I noticed within the works of these evangelical leaders, is their sympathy and acceptance of the heretics called the Cathars or Albigensians, or Paulicians, and the Waldensians. I have written on the Cathar heresy and its false doctrines here and here.

          The Cathars rejected the Trinity, the Virgin Birth, the Incarnation, and also believed that Christ never came in the flesh, but was a phantom or spirit. And also like the Mormons, they believed that Jesus was the brother of Lucifer. Their hatred for the Catholic Church was so immense, that one Cathar was found saying:

          We have destroyed St. Anthony and St. Mary; it only remains for us to destroy God. (22)

          The Waldensians, you could say, were reminiscent to the modern day Christian liberal groups who are against the death penalty. According to one medieval document, the Waldensians said, “concerning temporal justice, that kings, princes, and officials are not permitted to punish malefactors.” (23)

          By this, they rejected the law which God gave to Noah:

          Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made man. (Genesis 9:6)

          John MacArthur, as educated as he is, does not consider the Albigensians, or Cathars, and Waldensians, as heretics, but as being a part of the original believers, when in reality they simply broke away from the Catholic Church and were not pre-existent to it. While MacArthur rejects the biblical discourses of certain medieval theologians, he accepts the heretical groups:

          While the period produced some famous preachers, such as Peter the Hermit, Bernard of Clairvaux, and Thomas Aquinas, none handled the text in an expository fashion. Faint hints of Bible exposition have been detected among independent groups such as the Paulicians, Waldenses, and Albigenses, despite the fact that these groups are commonly dismissed as “heretics.” (24)

          Tim LaHaye, who is praised and lauded as a brilliant prophecy buff, sympathized with the Cathars of southern France, who were repressed by the Catholics:

          In the period immediately following [Pope] Innocent III the Inquisition did its most deadly work in Southern France (see under Albigenses) (25)

          The inquisition which was done to the Cathars is called the Medieval Inquisition, and John Hagee as well condemns it:

          Through his [the inquisitor Torquemada’s] villainous acts of torture the Spanish Inquisition ultimately surpassed the Medieval Inquisition of 1233 in scope, intensity, and atrocities. (26)

          Dave Hunt also accepted the Cathars, and the Bogomils (another heretical group very similar to the Cathars) as the being a part of the first church:

          Furthermore, millions of biblical Christians resisted Rome for fifteen years before Luther or Calvin. Albigensis, Waldenses, Bogomils, Paulicians, Baptists, and those who simply called themselves “Christians” or “brethren” traced their doctrines back to the apostles and never obeyed the popes. (27)

          Hagee, MacArthur, LaHaye, and many other Evangelical leaders, speak out against Iran and jihad, but are despicably ashamed of Christianity’s history, which, with the greatest fortitude and the purest piety, is filled with heroic men with endeavors to destroy the Antichrist religion of Islam, annihilate heresy, perpetuate and preserve orthodoxy with all of its glory, and advance the Kingdom of Heaven over the tyranny of the devil.

          This destructive shame, which is saturated in reckless assertions, is also done by evangelical pastor Skip Heitzig:

          History records the dark exploits of the church during those years of organizational cohesion, including such infamous episodes as the Crusades and the Inquisition. While a finely tuned ecclesiastical machine maintained law and order on the European continent, evangelism was conducted by the edge of the sword. Pogroms kept the infidels at bay while a strict hierarchy of bishops, friars, and cardinals maintained a fearful presence among the people. Such mistakes must not be repeated. (28)

          This is a general, yet emphatic, statement, without an ounce of detail or evidence, and with utter attribution to the Catholic Church for all sorts of violence, which is not specified by Skip. It is also pathetic, and shows the weakness, frivolousness, and superficiality which has flooded the American church. Christians would be stronger today if they would study their history; if only they knew what evils the Church has defeated, would they be more zealous to confront the wicked men who seek our destruction today.

          Numerous Christians, rightfully, speak out against Islam, but without ever acknowledging that if it were up to the Crusaders, there would be no Islamic problem, and not only this, but no leftist trait would ever find itself on a superior level over orthodoxy in Christendom. With such great zeal, the Crescent would be brought low before the Holy Cross, and the window of lies would be shattered, and would never manage to hijack the hinges the truth. Why are Christians so ashamed of their history? Because they do not know true history.

          With all of this slander, all of this attempt to destroy the pillars of Christendom, I am reminded of the words of Petrarch:

          Such are the times, my friend, upon which we have fallen; such is the period in which we live and are already growing old. Such are the judges against whom I have so often inveighed, who are the innocent of knowledge or virtue, and yet harbor the most exalted opinion of themselves. Not content with losing the works of the ancients, they must attack their ability and their ashes. They rejoice in their ignorance, as if what they did now know were not worth knowing. They give full reign to their unlicensed and conceited spirits and freely introduce among us new authors and outlandish teachings. (29)

          REFERENCES

          (1) *MacArthur New Testament Commentary, John 12-21*

          (2) *Edward Peters, Heresy and Authority, ch. i, p. 42; St. Isidore of Seville, On the heresies of the Christians, in the same work of Peters, p. 49*

          (3) *Hagee, In Defense of Israel, ch. 3, p. 26*

          (4)*LaHaye, Revelation Unveiled*

          (5) *P.F., The Spanish Inquisition, USCM, vol. ii, p. 462. See also Kamen, The Spanish Inquisition, ch. 2, p. 24; ch. 3, p. 32; Maistre, Letters on the Spanish Inquisition, letter 1*

          (5.1) *Kamen, The Spanish Inquisition, ch. 2, p. 24*

          (6) *Thomas F. Madden. “The Truth about the Spanish Inquisition.” Crisis (October 2003)*

          (7) *See Moczar, Islam at the Gates, prologue, act 2, p. 17*

          (8) *Tim F. LaHaye and Thomas Ice, The End Times Controversy, intro, p. 12*

          (9) *Josephus, Jewish Wars, 2.11.1, trans. William Whiston*

          (10) *Hagee, In Defense of Israel, ch. 3, p. 25*

          (11) *Kamen, The Spanish Inquisition, ch. 7, p. 165*

          (12) *Maistre, Letters on the Spanish Inquisition, letter i*

          (13) *Maistre, Letters on the Spanish Inquisition, letter 1*

          (14) * In Maistre, Letters on the Spanish Inquisition, letter 1*

          (15) *Thomas F. Madden, The Truth About the Inquisition; Kamen, The Spanish Inquisition, ch. 3, p. 49-50; ch. 4, p. 71; ch. 7, pp. 137-8, 149*

          (16) *Kamen, The Spanish Inquisition, ch. 7, p. 157*

          (17) *Hagee, In Defense of Israel, ch. 3, pp. 21-22*

          (18) *Hagee, Four Blood Moons, ch. 1*

          (19) *Pope Urban II at the Council of Clermont, the version of Guibert of Nogent, in Edward Peters, The First Crusade, ch. i, pp. 15-16*

          (20) *See Mills, Hist. Crus. ch. 8, p. 120; John France, War Cruel and Unremitting, in Thomas F. Madden’s The Crusades, part 3, pp. 60-1*

          (21) *Quoted by Warren H. Carroll, A History of Christendom, vol. iii, ch. ii, p. 62*

          (22) *Peter of les Voix-de-Cernay, 221*

          (23) *Quoted by Edward Peters, Heresy and Authority in Medieval Europe, ch. iv, p. 142*

          (24) *MacArthur, Preaching: How to Preach Biblically, ch. 3*

          (25) *LaHaye, Revelation Unveiled*

          (26) *Hagee, Four Blood Moons, ch. 3, brackets mine*

          (27) *Dave Hunt, James White, Debating Calvinism*

          (28) Heitzig, When God Prays, ch. 10, 129-130

          (29) *Petrarch: On Some Fourteenth-Century Latin Averroists, in Edward Peters, Heresy and Authority in Medieval Europe, document 49*

          • John Sobieski

            Holy Crap. That is the longest reply I have ever seen! And I only read half of it. I stopped at the part about the French Revolution. Walid, you son of a gun!! Only Walid Shoebat would ever do such a thing! Eight pages and 29 footnotes for a frickin’ REPLY to a COMMENT!??? Who does that!??? Walid Shoebat that’s who! God bless you, brother! Damn, publish this REPLY as “A Short History of Protestantism”.

        • Julie LaBrecque

          “I will sprinkle clean water on you and you will be clean.” Ezekiel 36:25

        • Julie LaBrecque

          Who had Michael Servetus burned at the stake? Who burned witches in the colonies? Have you turned a blind eye to that? What about Henry VIII and Good Queen Bess?

      • Julie LaBrecque

        That the MO of most charlatans and bigots.

  • gloria royal

    WOW. ……….IT SOUNDS LIKE THANKSGIVING AT MY INLAWS…

    • Kathleen Immaculata Militia

      Bahahahahaha .Come join the party Gloria!

  • shoebat

    I am not asking about your faith Star, I am asking about the Evangelical faith, is it pure? This is a Yes or No answer. A Jesus style question always reveals the honesty of an individual. Are they speaking from their heart or from their mind. Which is it Star?

    • star

      your missing the point.. on this one.. if they are born again..they are speaking from a point of truth.. evangelical is not a denomination…but their doctrine is true yes.. just the bible. you sound a bit manipulative walid..but I know there is still opposition in your spirit and lack of understanding..cuz you do not understand this thing exactly called:: born again. this is why I am leading u this way. so you will seek it out.

  • Maranatha

    Three points:
    1) ”And the idols he shall utterly abolish.
    And they shall go into the holes of the rocks—the idols themselves…!!—and into the caves of the earth for fear of the Lord and for the glory of His majesty when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth”….Isaiah 2:18-19.( my comment added in between)

    So no idolatry is allowed.

    2)However, I honesty believe that many of the dead in Revelations 20:4–who kept the word of God and didn’t receive the mark of the beast— will be Catholics.

    3)Due to my nationality and origin I have a lot of friends who are intensely and devoted Catholics. We are good friends and we respect each other. Many times we visit each other churches too.
    In the years of friendship we share–many– I have never seen any interest whatsoever in prophecy in them. Whatever is not coming from Rome, they disregard it all together.
    They hold Bible reading meetings, or ”novenas” but they will never read eschatology. It’s not for them. Too obscure if it’s not coming from Rome.
    I attended many masses and seminars and they are all the same.
    In my years of having all these friends and another contacts, I can tell that the Bible and its teaching, have only one major difference with Catholicism: VATICAN.

    The day they understand that, then they will come back to the Bible.

    • shoebat

      You are wrong. I will give you just one example—Commodianus wrote on Revelation and Of the Time of Antichrist, even predicting that North Africa, (Libya, Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco, Mauritania) will be part of Antichrist:

      “the region of Africa and the northern nation, the whole
      earth on all sides, for seven years shall tremble” and then you have
      Eusebius, Tertullian, Lactantius, Clement and then John of Damascus who wrote on Revelation. Just because your Catholic friends did not study their works is meaningless. Also, when it says in Revelation blessed are … it still does not pertain to everyone, there are certain blessings for certain individuals. It wasn’t saying that EVERYONE needs to decipher. You also did not address the issues brought in this article about everyone interpreting Prophecy. We have a Prophecy disaster.

    • Julie LaBrecque

      Was the brazen serpent on a pole an idol? What about the Ark of the Covenant? Are those going to go into the holes of the rocks along with all the graven images in Solomon’s Temple?

      • Maranatha

        Those are exemptions that God Himself ordered.
        Whatever your point, Isaiah 2:18 will stand firm.
        .

        • shoebat

          Was the seat of Moses by God’s order. It wasn’t in the Old Testament, yet Jesus spoke of it. Jesus also never condemned the Temple, yet they had icons of Moses when no where in the Bible does it discuss such icons. Its a Jesus style question I ask and there is only two ways to respond; admit your error or change the subject. Which will it be? Choose wisely.

      • Maranatha

        Those images are exemptions created by God’s order.
        Isaiah 2:18 still stands and will come to fulfillment one day.
        Paul called us to notice the Jewish zeal on guarding the written word.
        We also can add Jews don’t have craven images and don’t keep the Apocrypha books. None of them.

  • Kathleen Immaculata Militia

    Quite right koolmom

  • star

    exactly. if they were not bent on some much nuttiness we could accomplish so much more!

  • Kathleen Immaculata Militia

    How are you born again star?Are you born again as Jesus showed us?

  • Charles Lime

    I am not Catholic. That said, there is a Cathedral in Omaha, Nebraska that is so, pure. I attend a church where I am spiritually fed, but there have been times that I go to that Cathedral to pray. The beautiful atmosphere just encourages spirit of prayer.

    • shoebat

      Good for you Charles.

  • menschmeyer

    “I refused to even read their works and even tossed their privately signed copies of their books in the trash bin were most of it belonged. I would never read certain brilliant geniuses like Steven Hockings, Carl Marx, Rousseau, Galton, Martin Luther or John Calvin. I perused enough of their poison to realize its poison.”

    It breaks my heart that you should mention two brilliant theologians of the Reformation, sincere believers in Christ, in the same breath with murderous atheists like Karl Marx and unhinged God-deniers like Steven Hawking. I remember your recent attempt to slander another courageous believer in the Remdeemer, the first martyr of the Reformation, John Huss. These attacks are neither fair nor warranted, and as a born-again believer in Christ, I am losing hope that you could be a spokesman for ALL Christians.

    • shoebat

      Alright then, you accuseth me of slander. I wrote about Luther:

      ” … Be a sinner and sin boldly, but believe and rejoice in Christ even more boldly … as long as we are here [in this world] we have to sin … No sin will separate us from the Lamb, even though we commit fornication and murder a thousand times a day.” (Letter to Melanchthon, August 1, 1521, American Edition, Luther’s Works, vol. 48, pp. 281-82. Von Loewenich Walther, Martin Luther: The Man and His Work, P.p. 204. Placher William Carl The Domestication of Transcendence: How Modern Thinking about God Went Wrong, P.p. 89. Bayne Peter Martin Luther, His Life and Work, Volume 2, P.p. 156-157)

      Please explain how did I slander? Remember the definition of slander is to say something falsely about someone else. The quote is from Luther.

      Now, whenever someone accuses me of something and I ask them to prove it, they usually never have the stamina to stand and refute. They scatter. Which one are you, a rock thrower or an honest Christian?

      • Kathleen Immaculata Militia

        Poor old Fr Luther, a vehement anti-semite to boot too

        • shoebat

          So many who say “I follow Christ” when in reality they all follow Luther.

        • Julie LaBrecque

          Who broke his vow of celibacy and convinced a nun to do the same and married her.

      • menschmeyer

        I mentioned “slander” in the sentence regarding your recent article criticising John Huss, in which you reported a lot on some of his 15th Century contemporaries, but mentioned nothing of the fact that he was burned alive at the stake as a heretic in Konstanz, Germany, by a powerful Catholic Church, for speaking the Truth from Scripture.

        In my comment today regarding your treatment of Martin Luther, I protested only your having compared his “poison” to that of the likes of Karl Marx and Steven Hawking, godless atheiests, both. Was that fair? You judge.

        • shoebat

          First things first, you never responded, was what I said about Luther slander? Yes/No?

          You stated exactly “I remember your recent attempt to slander another …”

          Do you see the word “another”? This means that YOU accused me of slandering Luther as well. First things FIRST. Stop spinning. Was what I said about Luther slander, last time I ask.

          • menschmeyer

            No. My reference to slander was related to Huss, not Luther. I wasn’t clear. You win.

          • shoebat

            Understood. No two agree 100%. On a second note, Huss is not the great guy you think he was.

      • Chris C

        I think Luther tried to tell the nature of all of us. Imagine from that time on wards christians never sinned.

        There wouldnt have been a holocaust.
        Now the world will be a peaceful place etc….

        Atleast he pointed us to Jesus.
        Rome didnt do that. Otherwise catholics wont be look to saints & mary.
        I was a catholic, so i can speak on this issue.

        • koolmom21

          I have a hard time believing you were ever a catholic. If you were ever a catholic you must have failed to learn why Catholics believe what we believe. Everyone has their heroes; the saints and Mary are mind. They did the will of God!!!

  • Robert Paton

    I’ve been Catholic, Baptist, Evangel, Pentecostal, non-Denominational and Shoebatanized. In ways we all make up The Body of Christ. Christ is the Head. Walid your a foot, now go kick some …! Seriously, we are moving forward in many things and the lazy and evil will fall behind. I’m sure everyone appreciates your insight and hard work. Thanks always Walid!

    • shoebat

      Your welcome Robert 😉

  • shoebat

    I want your answers, no links. I get this all the time and it drives me crazy. You want me to sift through a website and find an answer to a simple question? I guess I will never get an answer. Here is why. People make statements, and rarely ask or search if it was true.

  • Kathleen Immaculata Militia

    You are partially correct.The papal encyclical “Divino afflante Spiritu”you linked to actually promotes the reading and proper understanding of Sacred scripture .As for interpretation , yes, the Church has authority on interpreting Sacred Scripture because The Church was established before the Canon was decided upon .So if Our Lord gave the Church compilation/editing rights through the inspiration of The Holy Spirit it makes sense The Church is the authority to interperet it too.

    • blazeman

      Yes, but not only the Catholic Church, Any TRUE CHRISTIAN can interpret the scriptures with the help of the Holy Spirit. it is Not of any private interpretation…

      • Kathleen Immaculata Militia

        Yeah thats why there are 35,000 different denominations , every time the next guy gets a brain storm over the bible he invents another ‘church’

  • shoebat

    “I also want to thank walid for his steadfast heart and mind.. he has spent countless hours and years in deep study and im sure prayer, he was given specific gifts.. and he is truly a watchman on the wall.. god is using you mightly even now”

    But I tell you the truth: you will lash at me, thrice, before the sun comes up.

  • Kathleen Immaculata Militia

    What is you biggest doctrinal problem with Catholic dogma? I’ll explain it to you from Sacred Scripture

    • shoebat

      The problem with Catholic dogma is that it doesn’t fully agree with Luther’s dogma.

  • Kathleen Immaculata Militia

    “but must have a priest do it…’ That is not the Catholic way

  • koolmom21

    You have got to be the most delusional arrogant person I have ever encounter. “God is using him to wake up Catholics” Is that what you think he is doing? I believe God is using him to rescue Christians. He has that covered in many ways. He preaches the bible and he acts on it. I could be wrong but in this article I felt he was trying to tell everyone to stop looking at other Christians, yes Catholics are Christians, for the evil in this world. Stop listening to all the lies from the pit of hell said about Catholics also. More importantly; stop listening to all the people who twist the Word of God to fit in their little box. Like I said before he could have started this article as Dear Star….

    • star

      you a fool and lost, Im the only one on here besides one other woman speaking the truth, go read your bible..the road to life is NARROW

      • Kathleen Immaculata Militia

        Star , this is ironic and a little awkward but this one has your name on it too Matthew 5:22
        King James Bible
        But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

    • star

      you are filled with projection at this time.. keep seeking him diligently he will open your eyes.

  • shoebat

    Most Christians are Christian by name, regardless.

  • Humble Man

    I already manifested here my opinion regarding the Blindness of the evangelical concerning Bible prophecies and how much I really disaprove their clear goal of demonizing Catholicism at any cost.

    The protestant point of view of end time prophecies is already contamonated with a biased sentiment and desire of seeing the Catholic Church liked to anything bad related in the Bible (beast, the harlot, antichrist, you name it)

    It’s not that they clearly see the Vatican and the Cathilic Church in Bible prophecies, the problem is that they WANT the Vatican being prophesied as the harlot/Beast/antichrist. It’s not a surprise that they love to theorize and conspire, and you why ? Because deep in side their heart they know there isn’t ANY literal Bible prophecy that clearly point to the Vatican as the harlot or beast, they need to theorize alegorical prophetic description,’distort them and make them “fit” to Vatican/Rome, because demonizing the catholic faith is their agenda, and thats not right.

    They are just decieving themselves. They are not only victims of their own agenda,’since that makes them Blind to the reality of Bible prophecies, but that agenda of demonizing Vatican/Rome also make them not having sensibility.

    Letting the Bible speaks for itself and having.a bit of sensibility I Think it’s all it takes to start understanding Bible prophecies. I mean… Look at whats happening to christians in any country ruled by Islam (sensiblity), how so many of them have been brutally killied because of their faith in Jesus, and then just look at one single literal Bible prophecies concerning the beheading as the main method used by the Beast to kill christians as written in Revelations. Is there anything outside of the islamic cult that This prophecy can applied to ?

    They ignore the whole persecution of christians in the Middle East where Islam rules (lack of sensibility) and their Blindness to the reality of biblical prophecies is so Huge that they even theorize how the Vatican will behead people, as if many were not already being beheaded in islamic countries.

    Sorry for anything wrong I might have spelled, english is not my first lamguage.

    • shoebat

      you reiterate my sentiments humble man. English is also my second language, but we try.

      • Humble Man

        Thanks Walid for your reply.

        We always have to be thankful for all the work you have been doing all these years, exposing the works of the devil and helping those christians that are suffering in the biblical world (Middle East), where Bible prophecies become alive.

        BTW brother Walid, could you tell me if there’s any of your books that has been translated to any other language ? I’d love to Read the “God’s war on terror” in my native language (portuguese).

        Thanks and God bless you all.

  • shoebat

    Much appreciated brother Sobieski.

  • star

    god sends his holy spirit… god provides the increase.. its not head knowledge now im saved..its a move of the spirit.

  • koolmom21

    The pope represents St. Peter. God gives absolution when you are sorry for your sin and confess them. God turns the bread and wine into his real body and blood at the hands of the priest. Mary the mother of God is not over Christ.
    You just proved you know NOTHING of what Catholics believe. Stop the hate. God is love.

  • shoebat

    Thank you wmarney

  • koolmom21

    You can not say that. God has already picked who will fight Islam and the roman and eastern rite Catholics along with others will fight muslims. I believe God has His army and satan has his army. Everyone will pick a side. Come Lord Jesus Come

  • koolmom21

    Are you the same star that was on the red white and blue site??? She was always testing people and saying things to get people fighting. I bet you are and if so you know who I am. It’s been like five years. WOW

  • Julie LaBrecque

    What ‘group’ was that fighting Islam during (and before) the crusades? Why did the Byzantine emperor Alexius I seek aid and assistance from the Vatican? What about Romans 16:20?

    • blazeman

      Romans 16:20 KJV—And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.
      What does this have to do with the Catholic Church ? I need. Scriptural proof ?

      • Julie LaBrecque

        Do you not realize this whole letter is addressed to the ROMANS?

        • blazeman

          It was addressed to the CHRISTIAN CHURCH in Rome, BIG DIFFERANCE

  • Julie LaBrecque

    John 20:22-23. Too bad you do not believe Jesus words regarding how He intended us to confess sins and/or to eat His flesh and drink His blood. There are many scientifically documented miracles of the Eucharist. Every Christian believed in the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist (just like He Himself stated, This IS my body) until AFTER Martin Luther, it was Zwingli who decided in the ‘real absence’ of Jesus in the Eucharist. Do you eat from an altar? (Hebrews 13:10). How is your church fulfilling Malachi 1:11, Isaiah 56:7, Proverbs 9:1-5? The Pope is the Vicar (that means representative) of Christ.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Probably by her own power.

  • Steve Smith

    Kathleen. star never answered my question about her being born from above. I even wrote it out in Greek and TRANSLATED IT. I said that Christ went on and EXPLAINED IT . You must be born from above ανωΘεν (anothen) Below is our conversation.

    What is your nutty faith star? a sectarian that has fallen in to Prelist, a Orthodox term for spiritual delusion and deception.

    You have hounded Julie on this board, in the most belligerent manner, unbecoming of a true Christian.

    John’s Gospel 3:3 was written in Greek, and the Greek word translated as again is ανωΘεν (anothen), which could mean again, or from above the word above is preferable because of the structure of the later greek sentence.
    Christ goes on and said that in order to see the Kingdom of God you must be born of water and the Sprit ”prevmatos” the Holy Sprit. the water of baptism and the gift of the Holy Sprit by Chrismation (holy oil ) laying on of hands by a Bishop THAT IS HOW WE ARE BORN FROM ABOVE. It is one way; from GOD…. not some raptured emotion.
    I am a Russian Orthodox Christian if you must know. Not a Roman Catholic. we have every right to that application too.

    star to Steve Smith

    your all apples in the same bunch.. sadly you show yourself with the fools. we are born again by the holy spirit, no man ushers that in.. only god can provide the increase.

    Steve Smith to star

    Then you do not have true Christianity but Gnostic drivel. All secterians have traded Christ for JAYZUSS and made the Bible into an IDOL .

    star to Steve Smith

    fool

    Steve Smith to star

    WAKE UP! you have fallen in to Prelist!
    star to Steve Smith

    boy your real kook, you should feel at home here with the other fools.. the only one I serve is jesus not the dogma of the lost dead souls like yourself, if you were alive in Christ..you would certainly know when you were nearly holy ground.

  • Alison

    I do not know much about the Catholic church other than I don’t agree with all the traditions of man that I see, but as far a prophecy, I never heard what their views are. I am not a so called pre-trib rapture believer either, those who believe that junk is already deceived. Sorry, it is not biblical. Why does this city, the harlots, the great Babylon has to be a certain geographic location? It is not, it is the Christians deceived by Satan. Read what Christ thought about the 7 churches in Rev 2&3. Christ is only pleased with two of the churches, why? Because they are the faithful bride taught in Matt 25:1-12 The unfaithful bride is unknowingly in bed with Satan. They did not have the seal of God in their forehead and ignorant of His word by running to the first Christ, the anti-Christ who will be here before the real Christ comes on the day of the Lord. 2 Thes 2:1-4. What is so hard to understand about that scripture? If you leave rooftop or leave the field (Mark 13:15-16) and run off to worship this first Christ (Satan), you are great Babylon (confused). Satan is not coming to deceive unbelievers, he already has them fooled, he is coming to deceive Christians. “Rev17:16 And the ten horns (the one world political system) which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.” To stay faithful the Christ you must know His Word and not take part in this ten horn beast.

  • shoebat

    Honest To Goodness. While I like the name, I find nothing you said either honest or good. You say:

    “I and many others didn’t come to this site
    because of a Catholicism Prophecy.”

    Honestly, you think I was discussing “Catholic Prophecy”?

    What Catholic Prophecy did I share? The Pope’s opinion on the end of days? This was NOT my theme which you intentionally ignored which is SLANDER.

    Why did you intentionally miss the theme? The theme of my article is to show how Prophecy is used to slander. Did you care to refute a single point? No.

    I find not a single refutation of anything I said.

    How is that Honest to Goodness?

    And why switch the subject to “molestation” when molestation plagues both Protestants and Catholics? The surprise is that you then defend the Duggars even though the Duggars promote and work with a man know to use his religious position to sexually harass and molest young girls under the guise of “spiritual authority”. Did you even try to refute:

    http://shoebat.com/2014/09/10/duggars-cult/

    Under the guise that you care for children, you attacked me, but defended no children.

    Then you have the audacity to write ” it would be quite hippocritical for you to condemn the duggards and not your own faith?”

    Why should I condemn my own faith? What is wrong with my faith that I need to condemn it? Am I for priests who molest children? I have exposed immoral priests. Have you not read our work on this? However, you seem to want me to be silent on Protestants molesting children?

    How hypocritical.

  • george kutty

    If the thief had a chance to be baptized, he would have definitely done that. In fact, he did baptize as the baptism symbolize as death, burial and resurrection which actually occurred.

    • Julie LaBrecque

      They ignore what Hebrews 9:16-17 states. The thief suffered for his sin.

  • Chris C

    Many and most of the catholics live in South america, asia and europe, and not in america.
    Do you know if they read their bibles? (They follow pope)
    At least you are listening bible messages because you live in the US.
    Do you care about the rest of the catholic’s salvation?

  • Marellus

    Mister Shoebat,

    Though I differ with you regarding Calvin, I must admit that your interpretation of Mecca as being the prophesied Babylon makes a whole lotta sense.

    Keep up the good work, and may YHWH bless you and guide you.

    BTW, do you know where I can get more info on Israel in prophecy ?

    My thanks for any help.

    • shoebat

      Marellus, you disagree with me on Calvin and you agree with me on Islam while you forget that Calvin’s views aren’t far off from Islam when it comes to pre-destination. Calvin teaches that if a girl is raped she is to marry her rapist. Have you looked that up? So what is the difference in this teaching from Islam?

  • Julie LaBrecque

    “Now where there is a will, the death of the testator must be established. For a will takes effect only at death; it has NO FORCE while the testator is alive. Hebrews 9:16-17 . Do you understand that? Do you know who the ‘testator’ is? Do you recall that Jesus said that while on earth he had authority to forgive sins? ” Amen, amen I say to you, NO ONE can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of WATER & SPIRIT.” John 3:5. Did Jesus go to paradise THAT day?

  • koolmom21

    Old friends? Not even close!

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Would you illuminate me as to what of Catholicism isn’t scriptural? Also tell me where Scripture states that Scripture alone is the authority.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Do you believe that John 21:11 is prophetic?

  • Julie LaBrecque

    You state that they told not to read the Bible, then you hit the clutch and stated it was only for the Catholic Church to interpret. Which is it?

  • Julie LaBrecque

    So sorry, we failed at defeating the enemy while the protestants were aiding the enemy. What say you?

  • Julie LaBrecque

    To whom is the letter addressed to?

    • blazeman

      It was addressed to the CHRISTIAN CHURCH in Rome, BIG DIFFERANCE

      • Julie LaBrecque

        Is their still a Christian Church in Rome?

    • gloria royal

      The weapon that enemy trys to use is religion I will not participate anymore

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Most Christians are only Christians by name.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    I second that!

    • shoebat

      Looking at how you guys get treated, who would want to cross the Tiber, except in a submarine.

      • koolmom21

        TRUE! LOL

      • Julie LaBrecque

        You do risk alienation and persecution from family and friends by doing so. To receive His Body and Blood in the Eucharist is worth more than all the persecution in the world can ever come upon me. I always remember 12 year old Tarcisius being killed for protecting the Eucharist. “unless you become like little children, you will not see the Kingdom of Heaven.”

  • shoebat

    If you look at the link in the article where it says “Martin Luther”, you will see more than just “beef”.

  • shoebat

    You say something, I respond to it saying that you are going on a spin and instead of seeing your spin and instead of responding to my question to refute anything I wrote, you go on another spin. Its as one says that their is a hailstorm and its destroying the crop. You respond with, but why aren’t you focused on the price of coffee. Its classic. One says the Catholics put the Bible together and yet another says, why are you complementing the Catholics for providing us with the Bible, focus on the Crusaders. This is absolute NONSENSE. The question is: Can you refute anything I stated in my article? Do you believe that Vatican is Harlot of Babylon? Yes/No?

  • shoebat

    We all had to go through some healing Michael and this will continue until Christ perfects our faith, that is if we allow Him. Thanks for your comment.

  • koolmom21

    You admit you don’t know much about what Catholics believe but when I corrected your comment you got angry. This leads me to believe you don’t want to know the truth of what Catholics believe; you just want to spread satan’s lies.
    Yes, I am a catholic and if you have a problem with that it’s your cross to bear not mine.

  • shoebat

    You have a great heart Paul and much common sense. You are in danger of becoming a good man 😉

  • shoebat

    It was down gloria. The enemy strikes and the devil is like a roaring lion.

    • gloria royal

      Thank you , ah but he has no teeth..lol. the ladys were ruff last night. Catch Obama breaking news spech

  • koolmom21

    Why do you come on this site if you are not learning from it? You are living in a world where The book of Daniel is still sealed. The book is being unsealed so you can learn the truth now. Open you eyes and ears.

  • shoebat

    As I read your comment I was speaking to our NGO who is responsible with the rescue mission in Iraq. I was telling my NGO that within the next decade the Christians are in grave danger and that we need to get them out. You see this, but the world repeats the same mistakes as they did by not learning from the Holocaust. Even Jesus said that when you see the abomination of desolation flea … yet the world prefers that Christians get killed. Persecution is written, but what is also written is that when people do nothing, they too will suffer eternally when Christ comes. I enjoyed your comment and I appreciate it.

  • shoebat

    Amen. But we need to still work on reconciling the Church.

  • shoebat

    At Fatima, Russia was redeemed and we see this today.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    2 Samuel 1:12 “They mourned and wept and FASTED until evening for Saul and his son Jonathan and for the people of the Israel, for they had fallen by the sword.” 2 Samuel 1:26 “For I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother! Most dear have you been to me.” Jonathan was dead and David spoke directly to him. (You should read the entire lament that David chanted.)Jesus, Peter, and Paul all prayed for dead people. We as believers of the Christian faith believe that death does not separate us from Christ, that all that is of Christ is in the Body of Christ. Rev 8:3 ‘Another angel came and stood at the altar, holding a gold censer. He was given a great quantity of incense to offer, along with the prayers of the Holy ones went up…” Malachi 1:11 “From the rising of the sun to its setting, my name is great among the nations, incense offerings are made to my name everywhere, and a pure offering…”. Am I to believe that celibacy causes molestation? Why are married protestant pastors guilty? Why do married men rape their own children?

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Since you have already determined who the evil side is, who are the ‘good’ guys? Are you lucky enough to be in the ‘good’ group?

  • gloria royal

    I like your styel blazeman

  • star

    you are speaking the truth Gloria about what you are witnessing here from these vicious catholics on this site…. she sees the same dark spirit in the catholics here..it is confirmation that they are not saved..if they were they would know truth when it was spoken and would band with born again believers who are the only ones who are on the narrow path and living in the true spirit of jesus. we don’t preach our denomination we preach jesus and his true statutes, shame on you walid for leading more people astray and for standing with a false faith.

    • koolmom21

      WOW Stand behind me satan!

      Do you even realize that the very people you claim are not born again are born again!!!? Maybe if you understood what it truly means to be born again you would stop judging and start loving. Christians (remember Catholics are Christians) believe we are to be peaceful as doves…
      “They will know we are Christian by your love.”
      1. We are one in the Spirit, we are one in the Lord,
      We are one in the
      Spirit, we are one in the Lord,
      And we pray that all unity may one day be restored.
      Refrain
      And they’ll know we are Christians by our love, by
      our love,
      Yes, they’ll know we are Christians by our love.
      2. We will
      walk with each other, we will walk hand in hand,
      We will walk with each
      other, we will walk hand in hand,
      And together we’ll spread the news that God
      is in our land.
      3. We will work with each other, we will work side by
      side,
      We will work with each other, we will work side by side,
      And we’ll
      guard each one’s dignity and save each one’s pride.
      4. All praise to the
      Father, from whom all things come,
      And all praise to Christ Jesus, his only
      Son,
      And all praise to the Spirit, who makes us one.

      • star

        go talk to Gloriaroyal , she will explain the truth to you. your deceived.

  • star

    there is a gang of catholics here.. all vehement and deceived by the devil.. we all must be born again…. I get it.

  • Karen Honick Ortwein

    First, one of your best writings Mr. Shoebat. Second, would someone give me a trustworthy website where I can learn about Catholicism? Please, NO hate sites. I need positive sites about Catholicism. I feel totally dumb. Seems everyone knows about it except me.

  • koolmom21

    I have no anger in me that is not righteous anger towards ignorance. Why do you feel the need to bash other people’s Christian religion? I think Christians should all work together to fight against satan not fight each other.

  • star

    that is why I said earlier some are saved and some are not..it wont correct their false doctrine..but they can still worship jesus there or anywhere..i myself.. go there once in a while..i serve jesus the born again way when I enter.. not dogma. I can partake in a ritual, or holy water or stand up sit down.. ..doesn’t change my heart.. that jesus is king and I know what his true word says, you are right as I have been saying..it is the holy spirit that saves and it is godbreathed! he provides the increase..we can only tell the truth.. pray and then wait on god..

  • koolmom21

    Are you saying that the catholic church does not have the doctrine of Christ??? You are wrong.
    Islam fits here not catholic-DUH

  • koolmom21

    God’s blessings

    • gloria royal

      GOD BLESS YOU AND YOURS

  • koolmom21

    People on here are not the ones who are asleep. Why don’t you forget what you call brash and use your so called gentle spirit. We all should try to be more like Jesus and humble ourselves. Pick a side star. In this war you are either with the Christians (all Christians) or you are against us. Try saving a muslim from their satanic “god” and or DO what you can to rescue Christians.

  • koolmom21

    We don’t worship them either!!! You have no understanding of the catholic beliefs but yet your head is filled with a lot of lies about the catholic church. Why is that? Catholics ONLY worship one God, The Father, Son and Holy Spirit and I think you know it! Stop with the lies.

  • koolmom21

    If she is the same star from another site; she is not a nice person and no one liked her, we ALL left the site. She would just say the dumbest stuff to get people angry and fighting with each other. Then she called it testing. After everyone left she email us begging for us to come back to the site. So sad. I have read how this star talks with others on here and I think it is her. I recognize some of her same lines she used there. I hope I am wrong and if it is her she will most likely deny it after reading this. LOL
    Have a good day.

  • shoebat

    She’s gone. I finally had enough.

  • shoebat

    Yes Karen, its from Chick Tracts. Funny you bring that up. When I first became Christian I bought a bunch of these tracts and passed them around. O the foolish man I was.

  • shoebat

    Ahhhh, Korsakov, one of my favorites. Thanks Friedrich.

  • shoebat

    When Rick Warren plays Chrislam I denounce him, but if one of his church members was faithful, must I also denounce that man too? You will find a litany of Popes and Protestant leaders who were corrupt and evil, but so what? Do you condemn Judaism’s Old Testament because some priests worshipped Baal? If you answer Yes, you blaspheme, if you answer No, you would have already refuted your own argument. Get it? Its a Jesus style question.

  • shoebat

    You see, this is exactly what I am talking about Honest to Goodness. Someone answers you with biblical challenge regarding praying to saints. Is what she quoted correct or incorrect and why. But instead of doing that, what do you do? Instead of answering Julie here, you say “What dead did Christ pray for Julie?” In other words, you begin a different thread and you start your spin. You need to answer the verses she presented before you start another spin.

  • John Sobieski

    Honestly, Dovari, Kreeft is an ASS when it comes to Islam. He would make a perfect Dhimmi. He’s good on why people should convert to Catholicism. But then he drinks the modern Catholic stupid Kool-Aid about Islam being a “Religion of Peace”. I would recommend reading everything he wrote EXCEPT about Islam and you’d be safe. Google a debate he did with Robert Spencer on “The only good Muslim is a bad Muslim”. Spencer absolutely wiped the floor with Dr. Kreeft. He’s great on why people should be Christian and Catholic. He actually SUCKS on the whole question of Islam, frankly. God Bless, brother.

  • shoebat

    “Malachi 1:11 “From the rising of the sun to its setting, my name is great among the nations, incense offerings are made to my name everywhere, and a pure offering…” A scripture of that has no reference to walking around a casket with smoke.”

    Ok, then teach us, who is God speaking about regarding “burning incense” in Malachi1:11? There are only two choices:

    A-You allegorize the verse
    B-You literalize the verse

    Which is it?

  • koolmom21

    You are right. Building each other up instead of judging another Christian is the only way. God’s blessings Gloria!

  • koolmom21

    NO again; we ONLY worship God! Catholics know the gospel and for you to think they don’t is judging what you know nothing about. Your burning desire should be to follow our Lord and try to be more like Him. Good night

  • shoebat

    Maranatha,

    Again, you ignored the question. Where did I ask you if Moses seat was an actual seat?

    “Was the seat of Moses by God’s order. It wasn’t in the Old Testament, yet Jesus spoke of it.”

    And where is the answer to my second question:

    “Jesus also never condemned the Temple, yet they had icons of Moses when no where in the Bible does it discuss such icons. Its a Jesus style question I ask and there is only two ways to respond; admit your error or change the subject. Which will it be? Choose wisely.

    Plus, you forgot to address my other response about Prophecy and the Catholic Church fathers did address it.”

    As far as the other issues you brought up, I can reply when your done replying to my original questions.

  • koolmom21

    You need to listen to Walid better. It’s not a Christian church; it’s Islam. The pope has to be careful with his words unlike you I guess. He could get a lot of people killed if he said Islam is from satan. All of Islam would rise up against us so fast if he is not careful. He already said they need to be killed. What else do you want; his blood? Stop being like Saul and be more like Paul.

  • koolmom21

    WOW do you not understand Islam and the catholic church have been fighting for ever! No you are so out of touch. The false prophet is Mohamed.

  • shoebat

    Let me know if you have any questions Karen. God bless you.

  • shoebat

    Looking at how you guys get treated, who would want to cross the Tiber, except in a submarine..

  • shoebat

    I hear you sister Karen. I once asked God to show me the truth. Boy what a wonderful journey it was.

  • koolmom21

    You have a hard head. Learn from Walid and you will see all of your errors.

  • shoebat

    Molon,

    We can discuss Huss as soon as we discuss the super-major historic fabrication at hand. Seriously, I am trying to help you and not to embarrass here. Apparently your not focusing on the evidence that I presented which was done based on the mess David Plaisted circulated within the Protestant community and is proven beyond doubt to be absolutely false. First of all Plaisted is NO HISTORIAN and neither will you find a single historian who will approve of his fraudulent work. Its the whole purpose of the research I just posted to you. I used to believe the same garbage until I began to do honest research. Now, take Plaisted and go and ask any reputable historian what he thinks and the first think he will do is smile. Plaisted is a computer science professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

    Depending on which author one reads, the numbers even extends to 68 million, 100 million, 120 million, and 150 million Bible believing Christians murdered by the Catholic Church, a history that no one in history verified.

    Here, I will give you an example, John Macarthur claims that the papacy killed 50 million.

    But drilling down to find where this came from, I obtained MacArthur’s quote in which he quoted John Dowling’s The History of Romanism, Book 8, Ch. 1, pp. 542, 543:

    “From the birth of Popery in 600, to the present time, it is estimated by careful and credible historians, that more than FIFTY MILLION of the human family have been slaughtered for the crime of heresy by popish persecutors, an average of more than forty thousand religious murders for every year of the existence of Popery.”

    And here is the crux of all this slander: in MacArthur’s quote, “According to Protestant Historian John Dowling,” as it turns out, John Dowling was a “pastor Dowling”, not “historian,” who held his pastorates in New York, Philadelphia.

    It even gets worse, besides that Dowling has no credentials in history; Dowling, while he stated “fifty million,” he simply created such numbers out of thin air, his note explaining the number he admits:

    “No computation can reach the numbers who have been put to death, in different ways, on account of their maintaining the profession of the Gospel, and opposing the corruptions of the Church of Rome, A million Waldenses and Albigenses perished during a crusade proclaimed by Pope Innocent III in 1208; beginning from the establishment of the Jesuits in 1540 to 1580, nine hundred thousand were destroyed; one hundred and fifty thousand perished by the Inquisition in 30 years; within the space of thirty-eight years after the edict of Charles V against Protestants, fifty thousand persons were hanged, beheaded, or burned alive for heresy; eighteen thousand more perished during the administration of the Duke of Alva in five and a half years … but the total amount will never be known, till the earth shall disclose her blood”

    Dowling even admits that “no computation” was done, that the only way to know is that “till the earth shall disclose her blood”. There was no tally, yet an enormous number was provided despite that when we examine the statement, there were no “million Waldenses and Albigenses perished”.

    After noticing the outlandish quotes, I attempted to investigate even further as to what historian with his sane mind would declare that the Papacy murdered 100 million people. I finally found the source from a book, Who Are These Three Angels, by Jeff Wehr, P.p. 31-32:

    “For professing faith contrary to the teachings of the Church of Rome, history records the martyrdom of more than one hundred million people. A million Waldenses and Albigenses perished during a crusade proclaimed by Pope Innocent III in 1208; beginning from the establishment of the Jesuits in 1540 to 1580, nine hundred thousand were destroyed; one hundred and fifty thousand perished by the Inquisition in 30 years; within the space of thirty-eight years after the edict of Charles V against Protestants, fifty thousand persons were hanged, beheaded, or burned alive for heresy; eighteen thousand more perished during the administration of the Duke of Alva in five and a half years.”—Brief Bible Readings for Busy People , No. 8.

    The source used by Wehr, as it turned out, was from an insignificant booklet titled A Brief Bible Studies for Busy People (page 16), which was by Frances L. Carroll.

    Carroll wasn’t even a historian but a housewife.

    You heard it right.

    It even gets worse, she was a Jehovah’s Witness serving with her husband as full-time volunteer traveling ministers of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

    Carroll, the housewife, simply plagiarized Dowling’s quote and simply inserted her own “one hundred million”.

    But this is only taking a couple of quotes randomly that I was able to find a monumental fraud and outright slander. The Protestant World Christian Encyclopedia says that Roman Catholics killed 4.9 million Christians. Of course, such source lumps the Manichaeans, Arians, Cathars, Priscillianists, Paulicians, Bogomiles, Waldensians, Albigensians, Lollards and Hussites as ‘Bible believing Christian’. Eliminate these heretics and the numbers go down drastically. The “millions” figure is not supported by any serious historian. It is difficult to manipulate history without notice and is why such authors resort to theologians proclaiming them as historians. That is these are self-ordained historians.

    I had even tracked countless publications to only find out the main sources for such false information were not credible:

    Peter De Rosa (aka Neil Boyd) was not a historian (15) but an X-priest, novel writer and Professor of Metaphysics.

    John Wesley was not a historian but a theologian.

    Alexander Hislop was not a historian but a Pastor of East Free Church of Arbroath in Scotland.

    Schmucker was not a historian but a Professor of Theology.

    William Craig Brownlee was not a historian but a reverend and an American clergyman and professor of languages.

    Joseph Martin McCabe was not a historian but an x-Catholic priest.

    Charles Buck was not a historian but a reverend and author of Theological Dictionary.

    Vergerius was not a historian but a religious ‘reformer’.

    Thomas Armitage was not a historian but a Protestant theologian.

    George Bourne was not a historian but a pastor.

    Cushing B. Hassell was not a historian but a writer.

    Dr. M. Geddes was not a historian but a Chaplain.

    John B. Wilder was not a historian but a writer.

    Taylor Bunch was not a historian but a Prophecy author.

    Nathaniel Crouch (pseud. Robert Burton) was not a historian but a writer.

    Henry Southwell was not a historian but a reverend.

    John Wylie was a not a historian but minister of the Free Church of Scotland.

    J. M. Carroll was not a historian but a Southern Baptist minister.

    Avro Manhattan was not a historian but a British writer.

    Charles Chiniquy was not a historian, but a Canadian x-Catholic priest who was twice suspended from his priestly ministry (for moral turpitude).

    R. W. Thompson, was not a historian but a politician.

    John William Bowden was not a historian but theologian.

    Walter j. Veith is not a historian or a “world acclaimed international lecturer” but a zoologist

    Frances L. Carroll, was not a historian but simply a housewife.

    I could go on and on and on.

    Such is the type of references used by evangelical authors when they need to exaggerate historic accounts. With no accountability by a higher order, evangelical authors can do as they wish under the first amendment but as long as man is man, true science and ripe scholarship, and sound reasoning, can be only the heritage of the few.

    Now, if you spent a few days and tracked what I am saying here, you will reach to the same conclusion that a lie travels cross the world before the truth can put its shoes on.

  • shoebat

    Its nice of you to care for your mother. Good man.

  • shoebat

    We get that all the time. There are glitches. No one is deleting your comments.

  • shoebat

    Homework please. Quotes and stuff. No laziness.

  • shoebat

    gloria. There is a moderator and it takes time.

  • shoebat

    God talked to Lucifer regarding Job and Jesus talked to Satan at His temptation. Now, I know that you will bring “well they did not approve of Allah”. I am not talking about going to bed with Islam. I am talking about talking. I have seen websites posting photos with Popes and politicians as if meeting with evil people is bad. Its not.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    So when did one Cardinal become the College of Cardinals? Did Jesus leave a church just for grins and giggles? Why did He give them the authority to bind and loose? Why did Peter receive the Keys? Why does the Bible tell you to obey your leaders and to defer to them?

    • Molon Labe

      Well, John Paul II said the same thing. We all worship the same God. Jehovah, Allah. Its all the same. Cardinal Dolan said it. Cardinal McCarrick said it. Who is the authority on Catholic doctrine if not the Pope or the Papal Senate? Are you suggesting that Jesus established a church that would explicitly deny his Father? Julie, Jesus didnt create the Catholic Chuch. Or the Baptist church or any other church. Theres only one “Church” — the body of believers in Jesus Christ. We dont have a patriarch. Or a prophet or A Pope. Because we have a Christ. We dont need an apostate who says God the Father is Allah, because we have a resurrected Savior who says his Father is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. There is one intercessor between God and Man. Jesus Christ. Julie, does Pope Francis represent Christ on earth? If he does, you believe that Jesus supports gay civil unions? The Roman Catholic Church does not speak for Christ — the Holy Spirit does. When did Jesus order Rome to burn Protestants? To sell indulgences for cash in his fathers house? When did our Lord tell the Vatican to declare Allah to be his father? Never. The RCC speaks blasphemy against Christ. Trees that give bad fruit do not also yield good fruit.

  • koolmom21

    I want proof.
    Islam and Catholics are like water and oil. Buy a clue.

  • koolmom21

    He does not lie but he is not going to stir the hate pot anymore than he needs to because people will die! His words are very powerful in the world and he knows it. Thank God he knows it.
    Just because you want the catholic church to be evil like islam doesn’t mean it is or will be. Islam and the catholic church has always been fighting; they are like oil and water. Now that’s the facts! I am truly sorry if you are incapable of understanding.

  • Rapheal Sebastian

    And guess what Luther said about islam and Protestantism?

    [ At the same time the Protestant Reformation was taking place in numerous areas of northern and central Europe, in harsh opposition to Papal authority and the Holy Roman Empire led by Emperor Charles V. This situation led the Protestants to consider various forms of cooperation and rapprochement (religious, commercial, military) with the Muslim world, in opposition to their common Habsburg enemy.]

    During the development of the Reformation, Protestantism and Islam were considered closer to each other than they were to Catholicism: “Islam was seen as closer to Protestantism in banning images from places of worship, in not treating marriage as a sacrament and in rejecting monastic orders”.

    And finally, [ Martin Luther also took note of the similarities between Islam and Protestantism in the rejection of idols, although he noted Islam was much more drastic in its complete rejection of images. In On War against the Turk, Luther is actually less critical of the Turks than he is of the Pope, whom he calls an anti-Christ, or the Jews, whom he describes as “the Devil incarnate”. He urges his contemporaries to also see the good aspects in the Turks, and refers to some who were favourable to the Ottoman Empire, and “who actually want the Turk to come and rule, because they think that our German people are wild and uncivilized – indeed that they are half-devil and half-man”.

    The Ottomans also felt closer to the Protestants than to the Catholics. At one point, a letter was sent from Suleiman the Magnificent to the “Lutherans” in Flanders, claiming that he felt close to them in his letter.

    “As you, for your part, do not worship idols, you have banished the idols and portraits and “bells” from churches, and declared your faith by stating that God Almighty is one and Holy Jesus is His Prophet and Servant, and now, with heart and soul, are seeking and desirous of the true faith; but the faithless one they call Papadoes not recognize his Creator as One, ascribing divinity to Holy Jesus (upon him be peace!), and worshiping idols and pictures which he has made with his own hands, thus casting doubt upon the oneness of God and instigating how many servants to that path of error”

    —1574 letter of Murad III to the “Members of the Lutheran sect in Flanders and Spain”.

    I guess the founder of Protestantism was the first (and far longer) to talk about how islam and Protestantism is similar than any modern misled Cardinal.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Then you were properly baptized the first time. You must not have thought it ‘took’. All is grace, as Jesus said ‘forbid not the children to come to me.”

  • Julie LaBrecque

    The spirit is in the water, did you forget the account of His baptism? If you will study the accounts of the Last Supper, the covenant that Jesus made in His blood THAT NIGHT, was something you did, not a document.

    • blazeman

      Matthew 3:15-17 KJV—And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God DESCENDING like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

      I believe the word is descending, not IN the water.

  • koolmom21

    You are so confused. God does not cause confusion.
    St. John Paul first acknowledges the truth that Muslims get it right when they profess faith in one God. Then, and only then, does he point out they have it as wrong as wrong can be when it comes to what God has revealed to us in Scripture about who he is, and, I would add, what he asks of his people by way of his commandments.
    He said: “Whoever knows the Old and New Testaments, and then reads the Koran, clearly sees the process by which it completely reduces Divine Revelation. It is impossible not to note the movement away from what God said about Himself, first in the Old Testament through the Prophets, and then finally in the New Testament through His Son. In Islam all the richness of God’s self-revelation, which constitutes the heritage of the Old and New Testaments, has definitely been set aside. Some of the most beautiful names in the human language are given to the God of the Koran, but He is ultimately a God outside of the World, a God who is only Majesty, never Emmanuel, God-with-us. Islam is not a religion of redemption. There is no room for the Cross and the Resurrection(p. 92).”

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Is that why our beliefs today are those of what the earliest Christians believed and practice?

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Since you are a historian by trade, can you tell me how the beliefs and practices as recorded by the early Church Fathers compare to what you believe?

  • Julie LaBrecque

    How can you prove it isn’t prophetic? Scripture please.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Prove it.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Jesus changed the Passover. The flesh of Jesus, the true Paschal Lamb, is to be eaten.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Why did you only speak of atrocities committed by Catholics? Is that not deception by omission?

  • Julie LaBrecque

    How did you butcher that? It says TESTATOR, a testator is a person.

    • blazeman

      Julie, (this refers to the death of Christ), in my comment says that it was the person Jesus.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    I never said you were a protestant.

  • koolmom21

    You are one hard headed person. I read all your comments and read the replies to you on the article.

    You accused St. John Paul of lying and when I showed you with his own words that you had it wrong to use Walid’s words “you changed the subject!

    You need to read more articles on shoebat.com. Most if not all of your questions are answered by one person or another here. Your refusal of the truth is beyond me.

    Lets say it this way; indulge me.

    What if God had a plan. Part of His plan was to warn every person on earth about one of his favorite angels who got so jealous of Him and the humans He has created, so he turned on Him. They got into a big fight. It was Heaven’s war with the good angels and the evil angels fighting. Satan is kicked out of Heaven. As Satan is being thrown down to earth he tells God he could get everyone on earth to fight against God. God warns the world not to listen to satan because he is evil and would do or say anything just to hurt God.

    And here you are trying to help God warn people.

    We know the first thing satan did when he came here was whispering in our ears. He has built his army this way.

    God told us to let no man fool us.

    Anyone who knows and lives by the bible knows this.

    As you know I and many others on here are catholic. We were taught from cradle on what Catholics believe. If we didn’t believe something that was dogma we would no longer want to be a catholic. We were also taught about St.Thomas and in so doing we learned it was in our nature to question everything. We don’t want to be “doubting Thomas’s” but we do question everything and everyone.

    So many people use the internet to twist the words of catholic. I verify everything I hear. Most are all hate filled lies. I have a lot of relatives that are not perfect but I still love my family and don’t blame the whole bunch.

    You have nothing to worry about when it comes to someone in the catholic church being deceived the church itself will never embrace Islam.

    I want to share this video of a catholic priest. This will give you an small idea how we are taught in church.
    God’s blessings
    Islam: A Christian Heresy Posing as a Post Christian Religion

    http://youtu.be/HVqi11z4G7g

  • koolmom21

    Wow, are you kidding me? I can tell you did not watch the video. You don’t care to learn. Good day
    P.S. It’s not going to happen!!!

  • koolmom21

    I agree there will be and is a great apostasy but I can only control myself. I don’t stay in the church because of a man nor will I leave my church for one.
    I also believe only God knows our hearts and I trust in Him ALONE! God’s blessings

  • koolmom21

    This is my last comment on this article.

    I believe condoning sins is a sin in itself. I also believe the sin of abortion is one of the biggest slap in God’s face. I use to think God would separate us at the last Judgment. I now believe He is doing it now; sheep on the right and goats on the left. The world is changing because satan knows his time is short.

    You can rest assure I have my eyes wide open.

    I am a cradle catholic and from the cradle I learned what the catholic church believes and it’s history. No offence but don’t you think I keep informed of who in the church says what and why did they say it. I don’t always agree with what every member says but I am a catholic and so far nothing has changed.

    My understanding of the inquisitions, indulgences, so called inappropriate Popes differ from you also.

    The narrow gate is not a mystery to me and those who find it try and lead others. Bottom line is I do not believe the catholic church would EVER join with islam.

    Looking at how people are alike is an excellent way to open up dialog and that is all the church is doing.
    What do you want them to do? Calling them satan worshippers will never get them to listen to God’s words. The church is face to face with them. Would you call them satan worshippers to their face? How ever you answer; you would not. Thank you for being so worried about me but there is no need. God’s blessings

  • koolmom21

    I just now saw Walid already answered your concerns; if I would have seen this before my words may have been different.

  • Faith

    Patsy thank you for taking the time to comment on my testimony and I am pleased that the focus is on Jesus where you are. It seems you want an argument so I won’t attempt to address the many words you’ve put into my mouth, simply to say that most of the things you mention I didn’t give my opinion on and I trust people will simply take my testimony at face value.

    Where some might see Catholic versus Protestant I prefer to see only fellow believers, no matter what their background. As long as someone has moved from Adam into Christ (and I am speaking to those who have and know those things which are necessary to salvation) we are One Body – and our witness to a watching world is that we will be recognised by our love – and the world is watching, and reading…