According to This Muslim, Saying ‘Merry Christmas’ Worse than Committing Murder

20 Therefore
“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
If he is thirsty, give him a drink;
For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head.” – Romans 12:20

What would happen if Christmas carolers sang outside Mosques this year? According to at least one Muslim, it would be an act worse than murder and could send Muslims inside, through the roof. The unidentified Muslim in the video below is clearly portraying himself as a Muslim scholar of sorts. As such, he made a shocking claim. That is, saying ‘Merry Christmas’ is worse than committing murder, fornication, or even drinking eggnog, via Eagle Rising:

Who would have thought that Perry Como was guilty of something worse than murder?

The notion that Christmas is viewed by Islam with such contempt helped to answer a few questions for me. Over the Thanksgiving holiday, I went out to eat with family and friends. As we were waiting to order, a Muslim family of about 8-10 was leaving, replete with hijabs and an older guy in one of those long sheets. One of the younger males was wearing a sweater that said, ‘Merry Christmas you filthy animal’. It would seem in light of the Muslim scholar in the video above that he likely wasn’t wearing it because he was a fan of those Home Alone movies:

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  • richinnameonly

    Murder is so common place to them they should be able to name many things worse than murder. They need to come out with a 1 to 10 scale rating for how terrible they see things relatively. Looks like for them Christmas is a 10 and murder is maybe a 5 or below, depending on the perpetrator and the victim. Bacon may be a nine and rape could be a 3. Rescue Christians is probably an 11 !

  • Linda Murray

    Well… it isn’t worse than MURDER… but it *IS* a pagan holiday & it’s an abomination to YHVH/God!…

    Most modern day, western mindset Christians are ALSO very undeducated about this. They think they are pleasing God when they are ACTUALLY insulting Him.

    The video link I’ve provided gives you all the DOCUMENTATION you need… plus the scriptures that back it up! Watch it if you are not afraid. What matters most to you? *YOUR OWN* desires & wishes… or God’s…???

    • Tom_mcewen

      Jim Staley, 39, pastor of Passion For Truth Ministries in St. Louis,
      Missouri, is now facing up to 30 years in prison and/or up to $1 million
      in fines for allegedly defrauding investors, according to a June 18
      federal grand jury indictment. He did not tell his congregation,
      however, until more than a week later because he claims he didn’t
      realize he was arrested.

      • Linda Murray

        And what does ANY of that have to do with God’s truth & documented evidence on the subject…? Are we not ALL of us imperfect? Are YOU perfect…??? When YOU do something wrong does that AUTOMATICALLY turn the TRUTH of EVERYTHING you’ve ever said into a lie…??? Does it AUTOMATICALLY turn GOD’S Word into a lie???

        And BTW… the operative word there is… ‘allegedly’. 🙂

        • royal

          Christmas..christ meaning * GOD’S ANOINTED* , or Messiah… I think as long as we keep ..God’s anointed the centerpiece of this time of year(. I dont think that its the right time of year, for the birth of Jesus, * closer to spring)

          • Julie

            Hi Royal….actually it all goes back to the Jewish calendar, a reason why Hebrew Catholics want the rest of us to also study it.

            March 25 was the feast of Abraham’s sacrifice. Remember the Angel Gabriel pointing to the ram stuck in the bush…to sacrifice it instead of Abraham’s son?

            Christ chose to be born in the Constellation of the Ram…but He coming to us as the Sacrificial Lamb of God.

            March 25 is the celebration of the Incarnation…when Christ becomes truly Man through the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary.

            December 25 is simply chosen to make the 9 months of gestation…but no one knows the actual date of Christ’s birth.

            Later a Roman emperor tried to get former pagans back by creating a festival of the sun god in December, but they would not return and stayed Christian.

            Same with Easter…the name has nothing to do with the German concept…..Pope Justinian did move Easter up a week after the Jewish Passover and their remembrance, however.

            Get Cardinal Ratzinger’s, Spirit of the Liturgy…fantastic book.

          • RodK1975

            “Christ chose to be born in the Constellation of the Ram…but He coming to us as the Sacrificial Lamb of God.”

            You speak of the Mazzaroth…. LOVE IT!

          • Julie LaBrecque

            St. Hippolytus (in ‘Chronicon’) states that the earth was created on March 25 , 5500 BC, hence that Christ was conceived on the same day.

          • Julie

            Yes…that, too….wonder what his reference was…as I also read that March 25 was celebration of life…that part I am not clear on….

          • Linda Murray

            Creation took place on Tishri 1.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            prove it

          • royal

            Hi julie. Thank you for that little teaching : ) The Jewish Feast Days and the Christian Holy Days. do line up . Christ fulfilled the Jewish Spring Feast in his first coming , And he will fulfill the Fall Feast in his second coming…. : )

          • Julie

            Good….keep researching…you have to stay away from anti-cathiolic, baseless charges….the devil is the source of them.

            Again….I focus on the presence of Chris on the altar, His Word, His Eucharist….and when the priest doesn’t add up to the deposit of faith, I either put him in God’s hands…or as in the past…I changed parishes.

            Thankfully, those remaining are in correction or have left.

            Once you experience Christ again in the Church, you will never leave because who is like unto God….certainly not any man.

            You might do well to get the Liturgy of the Hours….the Prayer of the Church that priests must pray daily, that religious pray in part and the laity is free to participate…and get an accoompanying directory to give you right readings for the day..

            The introductory prayers are from the psalms that place our focus on God alone, our Rock.

            Praying for your healing…my brother sent me an old picture of when I was 12, enduring abuse in parochial school, my legs like toothpicks, so drawn…my dad finally let me go to public school in 10th grade and I gradually came out of my shell. The school was big and never hardly used…my kids and i drove by it in 2008..and I met the nun who mistreated me years later visiting my mom in the hospital and she said she left teaching, wasn’t good at it…I had no malice towards her….my kids’ schools were so different…..

          • royal

            Your are a kind and patient and forgiving…you are a faithful child of God. I’ll if I had been there when they were picking on you…I would have had your back….thats what sisters do….lol…Big hug, Our Lord has healed your heart,…Bless his Holy Name

          • Julie

            God bless you….I was very well behaved and they would put me in the back with these nasty boys….I met a woman in 2008….may be just a few days after my family’s return from my childhood home….she told me my school was considered rough and in a rough neighborhood and she heard of how they disciplined us….my own epiphany moment…..after how many years?….50??? to finally hear someone say from town they heard of this abuse?

            We went to this Italian immigrant parish….we had Italians all around us…very earthy people….that helped being by them.

            Bless His Holy Name…may He forever be praised!

          • royal

            Never went to private school, when I was coming up we were to poor, but
            my mom and uncle did. They had some real nightmare storys,… they were French Nuns.. and very strict. My mom had a lot of selfsteam issues, she developed when she was very young and the nuns would maker her rap herself in a ace bandage before she came to school My Uncle Never talked about his time in school , he was a altar boy, thats all he ever said ,my uncle turned out to be a child molester. Managed to molest all the childern in the family boy and girl. We all keep it a secret until we became adults or I should say until I became adult . When I had my babys their was no way he could be around my childern , up until I told I throught it was just me. That was not so , everyone came forward, his daughters. his stepson, me , and mybrother He has passed away , its been years lots of years…he never admitted he molested, us.His Dughters stayed.close to him, not the rest of us.

          • Julie

            That is terrible what happened…..we have to be objective and not perceive all the nuns as such. The school across the town where I grew up had very good sisters, Dominicans…another were the sisters of the Sacred Heart who assisted in the raising of my friend who came from an affluent family.

            I guess I was placed in the back with all the ‘rough’ boys…years later when I was in secular college, one of them who hit me, was there visiting, and I was a checker….people getting their meal tickets checked off, and the fellow remembered me…and the look in his eye…I do not know why he disliked me as he did…but I knew them it was not normal. Didn’t even bother to say hello to him.

            Pray the Blood of Christ over your family….there is alot over my side…this priest from Africa was placed in a refugee camp and worked with the people there for 10 years and came to see no progress.

            He had to develop a family tree healing originating from Fr Hampsch’s family tree delierance…and people had to first identify their own abuse, forgive the abuser, and then look at all their sins…I don’t think he left any sin out….and then pray the Lord’s protection, maintain a good prayer life and be on guard not to allow yourself to be open to forms of abuse again. Then they started going forward.

            Family tree healing. In ours, we have Mass said, hopefully with other family members for healing and deliverance…alcoholism, etc….

            I have been praying for you…..

          • Steve Smith

            Julie the records for dec 25 now jan 7th were in ROME, The East kept the feast of Christmas and Epiphany on the same day till the 3d century. http://www.johnsanidopoulos.com/2013/12/how-did-church-determine-christ-was.html

          • Julie

            Yes..my text C. Ratzinger, speaks of the dates…it is complicated….Orthodox….

            Both views complete the celebration of the Incarnation.

            I pray for our reunfication…..

          • Julie

            Also note…I was at Mass today and after…counted on my fingers….Incarnation….Christ’s conception March 25…Mary all perfect of God’s creation…..was off by 9 days late pregnancy…?…..?

            Nine months gestation from March 25 to December 25 equals nine months….from how they understood duration of pregnancy…

            give ROME a great….note the cap….note your comment as well….till the third century….

            FACT is Nobody Knows the actual date of Our Lord’s birthday…but we are the Church…what is bound on earth…as it is run by human beings like you and me….is accepted in heaven.

            I think Heaven is OK with the Church naming December 25 of Our Lord’s birthday…

          • Steve Smith

            I trust the church fathers, they had information we don’t have today.
            they had the authority to place it on that day, so who am I to argue with the Church….happy Advent… Stefan Davidovich.

          • Julie

            No problem….true…it becomes our customs….and these are close together and within the conception and infancia of Jesus….thank God we have ancient customs, not just Bible fellowship.

            I don’t think Catholics have any problem with Orthodox…we just want to be one..We would just have that many more feast days for the Infant…mine is the 12th day of Christmas…the eve of the Epiphany…I am old but keep my heart young like a 9 year old…try to atleast.

            I look forward to a blended Latin/Orthodox liturgy…and now the Hebrew Catholics want their liturgy in Hebrew…and a blend of all 3….it would be incredible!!

            Pray for the reunion among us….it is too much and terrible in face of the evil we see now in the world.

            Happy and Blessed Advent and may the Christ Child increase in you and your loved ones!

          • Linda Murray

            Julie said… “I think Heaven is OK with the Church naming December 25 of Our Lord’s birthday…”

            How SAD! 🙁

            His WORD says OTHERWISE. READ IT!

          • Julie

            Sorry…don’t read Scripture out of protest or context.

            Check out http://www.hebrewcatholic.net….

          • Julie

            You are denying the power Christ gave the Church right before His passion.

            The problem is yours is focused on cherry picking….a fragmentation of Sacred Scripture….you are fragmented from us who are called to be One, Holy, universal, and apostolic faith.

            Hundreds of years of Church Fathers, theologians, bishops and priests who are truly seeking the truth of Our Lord for the deposit of faith. They have worked so hard to bring us the fullness of faith.

            Again…considering may be you don’t want to be treated as you do us…projecting? You don’t tell us yet your denomination.

            Your sources do not indicate the Lord’s birth…

            If yours were correct, the Church would have implemented them as the first members of the Church were Jewish.

          • Linda Murray

            Julie said… “December 25 is simply chosen to make the 9 months of gestation…but no one knows the actual date of Christ’s birth.”

            *WATCH & LEARN*… about GOD’S WORD, grasshoppah… for it tells us when Jesus was born…

            King David (1 Chr 28:11-13) divided the sons of Aaron into 24 ‘courses’ or groups (1 Chr 24:1-4) to create an orderly schedule by which the Temple of YHVH could be staffed for the year. Once these courses were established, lots were drawn to determine the sequence each group would serve in the Temple (1 Chr 24:7-19). Each of the 24 courses of priests would begin & end their service on the Sabbath for a tour of duty of one week (2 Chr 23:8, 1 Chr 9:25).

            The issue turns on the date assigned to the *course of Abia* & the exact time that Zacharias was in the Temple when he was visited by the angel Gabriel.

            The Jewish calendar begins in the spring (Nisan 1), so the first course of priests (Jehoiarib) would serve for 7 days. The 2nd week would then fall to the family of Jedaiah. The 3rd week would be the Feast of Passover, when all priests would be present for service, so the schedule would resume with the 3rd course of priests (Harim) on the 4th week. By the 10th week, since both Passover & Shavu’ot had occured, teh 8th course of Abia (Abijah) would be called for Temple service. By means of this arrangement, after the 24th course was completed, the cycle of courses would repeat, so that in a given year each group would serve in the Temple twice a year (in addition to the major Feasts).

            TISHRI 1 BIRTH…

            There’s several reasons to belive that Yeshua/Jesus was born during the fall, in particular, during Rosh Ha Shanah (head of the year… the birthdate of creation). The reasons for this follow…

            1. Jesus’ cousin, John hte Baptist, was conceived in the middle of Sivan (May/June) & born 40 weeks later on Nisan 15… Passover.

            a. John’s father (zacharias) was a Levite who was assigned to serve in the Temple during the course of Abia, the 8th course of the year. (Luke 1:5, 1 Chr 24:10)

            b. Since the cycle of service began on the first Shabbat of Nisan, but both Paaover & Shavu’ot require ALL preiestly courses to serve, the actual time the 8th course would serve would be during the 10th week of the year. This places Zacharius’ service as beginning on the 2nd Sabbath of the month of Sivan (May/June).

            c. Scripture says that John the Baptist was conceived shortly after this tour of duty (Luke 1:23-24). So he was probably conceived shortly after the 3rd Sabbath of Sivan… late Sivan.

            d. So John the Baptist was born around Passover (Nisan 15). Yeshua/Jesus said that John the Baptist was a type of Elijah the prophet (Matt 17:10-13, Luke 1:17). And it is customary TODAY for Jews to set out a special cup of wine during Passover Seder meal… anticipating the arrival of Elijah for the feast.

            2. Yeshua/Jesus was conceived in late Kislev & born 40 weeks later during Rosh Ha Shanah… the Feast of Trumpets… the birthday of creation.

            a. Yeshua/Jesus was conceived 6 months after John the Baptist (Luke 1:24-27, 36). The *6th* month refers to Elizabeth’s pregnancy, NOT the month of Elul (Luke 1:36).

            b. 6 months added to late Sivan = late Kislev, which is the time of teh conception of Jesus (Please make note that the first day of Channukah, *THE FEAST OF LIGHTS*, is on Kislev 25, & Yeshua/Jesus is called *THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD* in John 8:12, 9:5 & 12:46.

            c. From John’s birthday in Nisan we add 6 months to get Tishri 1… Rosh Ha Shanah (head of the year… the birthdate of creation).

            CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCES…

            1. We know that Jesus was 30 years old when He started His ministry (Luke 3:23), & assuming, as many Biblical Scholars do, that He ministered for 3 1/2 years, we can count backwards from hte crucifixion (during Passover in Nisan) 6 months, to discover His birthday in Tishri.

            2. The RCC (in 336 AD) declared December 25th (on the Julian calendar) to be Yeshua/Jesus’ birthday in order to merge His birthdate with that of the sun god. What BETTER way for satan to mix God’s HOLY THINGS with his UNHOLY things.

            Of ALL the days of the 364 OTHER days of the year that one could choose to celebrate Yeshua’s birth… don’t you find it STRANGE that someone would *CHOOSE* to move it to the day that satan likes to celebrate *his* birthday…???

          • Julie

            stop the name calling….. and even your WND article also says they cannot find any records when the census was taken…something we were taught in catholic grade school…Christ born during census by Roman Empire…

            You should spend your time growing in the Lord….and you don’t ID your denomination either….just shows you are not standing on solid ground in the Lord but in this ongoing anti Catholic bias.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Again, you fail to mention that the priests had to serve two different cycles in the year. What if Zacharias was serving the second Course of Abiah in Sept/Oct?

          • Linda Murray

            And AGAIN, Julie… We know that Yeshua was years old when he started His ministry (Luke3:23), & assuming (AS MOST BIBLE SCHOLARS DO) that He ministered for 3 1/2 years, we can count backwards from the crucifixion (DURING PASSOVER in Nisan) 6 months, to discover His birthday in Tishri.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            You evaded the question.

          • Linda Murray

            I didn’t evade anything, Julie. That information proves that it had to be the first 8th course & not the second.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            It proved nothing, Luke states that he was ‘about’ 30 years of age. I was 30 years of age the day of my 30th birthday and on everyday up the date of my 31st birthday.

        • Tom_mcewen

          His
          lord said to him: Well done, good and faithful servant, because thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will place thee over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
          A faithless and dishonest servant. God speaks to him ? Another all knowing prophet with his hand in the cookie jar.

      • Hahahahahaha!

    • Julie LaBrecque

      Wake up. Do you know what the Feast of Lights is all about? I guess Christians and Jews are all pagans since the pagan nations had a Kingdom ruled by a King long before the Jew/Christians had a king and a kingdom.

      • Linda Murray

        Yes… I know what it’s about. Do you? It’s about the RE-dedication of the Temple!

        • RodK1975

          Linda, don’t let this stuff work you up into a hysteria about
          celebrating holidays. There is nothing wrong with Christmas trees and
          Easter eggs. People that hype this stuff are generally looking to sell
          you something or build themselves up a following with false piety.
          Anybody that explains their Christianity to you with a long list of
          thing they don’t do isn’t doing anything but puffing themselves up. Any
          and every thing that we do that we make Christ the center of is blessed
          because we made Christ the center of it.

          Colossians 2

          16
          Therefore do not let anyone condemn you in matters of food and drink or
          of observing festivals, new moons, or sabbaths. 17 These are only a
          shadow of what is to come,
          but the substance belongs to Christ.

          Colossians 3

          17 And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father
          through him.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            And Christ allegorized the Church/Kingdom as a mustard seed that when it is grown, provides branches out so that birds can perch in its branches.

          • RodK1975

            This is unbelievable, what’s with these Judaizing cults? You’d think Christ didn’t die for us at all and we are suppose to earn our way to salvation by keeping holidays correctly.

          • Linda Murray

            And you JUST SHOWED *YOUR* ignorance of ALL things Hebrew by citing scriptures that DO NOT mean what you THINK they mean! When the Jews heard those things they KNEW what he was saying… & it WASN’T what YOU are hearing… because they knew their own history & their own language.

          • RodK1975

            Linda… A) my comment to you was not an attempt to criticize you but merely share the fact that such legalism is bondage that Christ came to free us from. B) Just because Paul wasn’t talking about Christmas trees in the verses I posted doesn’t mean that what Paul was saying to the Colossians isn’t applicable to other situations, Scripture can have both specific and general philosophical applications. So, if you’ll read up about the Colossians, the fact they were Gentile converts to Christianity and what they were dealing with, I think you’ll see my application of the scriptures is legitimate. C) If you want to live a strict legalistic life, that’s fine, you’re free to do so, but coming and telling everyone that by celebrating Christmas they are worshiping pagan god’s and do not realize it, that is tantamount to Judaizing.

            It doesn’t matter if Nimrod, Semiramis, Tammuz, Saturn, Venus or any other god was worshiped on Dec 25th or not. When Christians celebrate the Birth of Christ on Dec 25th they are celebrating Christ’s birth because Christ is on our mind and in our hearts and that makes all things new. So, it doesn’t matter when we celebrate Christ’s birth, what matters is we celebrate it and do so with pure hearts and minds. To suggest that somehow because we celebrate Christ’s birth on the particular day of Dec 25 nullifies and voids our worship is offensive and belittles God’s grace, mercy and Christ’s sacrifice for us.

            However, that being said, I do agree with you one one point and that being that as Christians we should be more aware and knowledgeable of the Jewish Feasts (like Tabernacles and Trumpets) and their symbolism of Christ.

          • Julie

            SDA…?…Seventh Day Adventists have their own individual sects that are intensely anti-Catholic ….

            I would refer to the Hebrew Catholics to see just how much the Church Christ instituted fulfills the Jewish feasts.

          • RodK1975

            Yeah, I can’t remember which it is SDA or JW that don’t celebrate holidays or birthdays.

          • Julie

            Not all SDA’s are virulently anti-Catholic. My friend joined one…when her mother came to hear the preacher at service…a very biased SDA community, she had to get up to leave the place and he insulted her as she left with her own daughter present.
            Later they left when they found out the founder was a numerologist…form of superstition and use of numbers. You see their shows and they have a big 7 with a door next to it..if I recall right.

            Anyway, I found a good source that draws on what I read in C. Ratzinger’s book, too complicated here…and am having trouble posting it…

            http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Item-the_roots_of_catholicism_pagan_or_jewish.aspx

            Some how it doesn’t come to it…great article….

          • RodK1975

            It just bothers me, just like in her retort to my sincere plea that she not let herself get tied up in such histrionics over when and how Christmas is celebrated, I posted several verses from Colossians and she had the nerve to call me “ignorant” and that I’m misinterpreting the scripture I posted and yet offered no correction. She just made some rambling statement about the Jews knowing what Paul meant and I didn’t. I just hate to see people mislead. And btw, I’m a big “protestant” fan of Pope Benedict… I’ll save that and read it later on! Thanks!

          • Julie

            I know what you mean….I found that good article…that reflects P Benedict’s study on the liturgy..he is the best theologian in the Church at present and his writings on worship so profound and full of God’s presence.

            Thanks again, Rod for your reply, you are a brother in Christ!

          • RodK1975

            No, Thank you sister Julie ;-)… I learn a lot from your posts!

          • Julie

            Thank you, Bro…
            but I take classes from my diocesan representatives who ‘know their stuff’….another good source, EWTN tv….or local Catholic radio…I would like to teach some classes…but it is matter of presenting everything, line for line with references….to make sure I am not teaching the slightest ambituity….or erroroneous conclusion. I also am finishing up seminars at our local seminary….

            But I also have to work on being charitable and not getting edgy…may go to confession for some of my ‘attitude’ on some of the posts here…for real.

          • RodK1975

            Well, that just shows your true nature is one of concern and love and not one of strife and division. When you post something and someone bites at it, your first instinct is to doubt yourself. So, you go back and double check to make sure you’ve not misinformed or misrepresented the truth. If everyone was like that, there’d be more learning and less struggle. It’s clear you’re born to be a teacher. 😉

          • Julie

            God bless you! Let’s pray for those others…..

          • RodK1975

            Will Do!

          • Julie

            What interpretation are you following? The Masoretic Text? This was put out 200 years after Christ…existing of arguing, debating, dissenting rabbis.

            Martin Luther drew to it in a sincere attempt to find the ‘pure’ version of the Bible…but this one did not anticipate or envision the Lord.

            The Universal Church uses the Septuagint.

            Two hundred years before the birth of Our Lord, whenever that was, Emperor Ptolemy asked 70 rabbis to come to Egypt to prepare a bible for his library. He wanted to make the greatest library in the world.

            He had each rabbi separated and had each one write out all the books of the Bible. they could not talk to one another or compare notes.

            When all completed their own books, they were called forth, and when each set of the 70 rabbis were made public….every rabbi’s composition of the books of the bible were identical in content, tone, phrase, down to the word.

            This was a miracle, and the source none other than the Holy Spirit.

            When Our Lord quoted Scripture, He quoted from the Septuagint, and that is why our translation we use is the Lord’s translation.

            The apostles Peter and Paul all used the same source.

            I completed an archdiocesan class on the Liturgical Year that included the Jewish calendar as well.

            So don’t be talking to everyone like we are stubborn, illiterate people who refuse truth and seek fantasies…..

          • Steve Smith

            Julie she thinks the Greek IS CORRUPTED.

          • Julie

            Well…the earliest writings by the apostles most likely with their scribes was done in Greek because simply that was the universal language best used to reach the most people rather than Aramaic.

            She has not come to the fullness of faith in Christ….best pray for her.

          • Julie

            I would add, and you can see it in her replies….that her pondering the Word of God, her interpretation, has not brought her to the Messiah, Savior, Redeemer of the world.

            A person who is truly centered on Christ does not come on like that and so self righteous and assured of her own salvation….what is pleasing to the Lord is that we are on trembling knees before Him.

          • Steve Smith

            I always see YHWH but never Christ, they don’t see that this is the pre- incarnate Christ

          • Steve Smith

            Julie, the only replies that are rational are mostly from Catholics. It’s a cracked fallen world we live in. if we can’t treat each other with human kindness what good are we. Have a blessed Advent.

          • Steve Smith

            guess i’m in good company, she thinks im RCC. look down.

          • Julie

            If she is so right, then the Lord failed in clarifying it 2000 years ago.

            Well….we get the flack….but I think it also you putting yourself in harm’s way trying to dialogue…I am trying to find the place to either not even respond or when to get out….slippery slope.

            Have a Blessed Christmas!

          • Steve Smith

            The reason I started commenting on this blog is I wanted to stop the hate.! There is one guy that said the nastiest things about me. I’ve stopped replying to his comments, they were really out there .the nicest people that reply to me are Catholic.
            We are supposed to not get along right? Wrong! we may see things differently ,but that does not stop us from having Christian love to one another.

          • Julie

            If you are right, then why in the world didn’t the Lord tell us a long time ago through His apostles???

            We follow the teachings and traditions of the apostles…not recent translations.

        • Julie LaBrecque

          Who is the real temple, the true ‘Light of the World’? Do you not consider it a coincidence that the Feast of Lights is on the 25th of Chislev, which corresponds to our month December?

    • Trevor

      Not going to bother watching this video because it will be a) Nimrod and his wife; b) Thor and the fireplace considered as scared according to Norse mythology, and c) the yule log supposedly to represent Nimrod’s penis since his wife could not find it. Shall I go on?

      I don’t celebrate Christmas with trees anymore, but I still think about Christmas as the most precious holiday – the birth of Jesus Christ, God’s greatest gift to the world.

      • Linda Murray

        Yes… there’s that. But this is a NEW video just made in the last few months & presents it in a professional, Biblical manner. The best one on the subject that I’ve EVER seen.

        But let me ask you 2 questions… don’t ya think it MIGHT be possible there could be a few things in it that ya HAVEN’T seen yet? I’ve been researching this for over 10 years & I got 2 new ones sprung on me in this.

        And do you not have any desire to hear what God has to say about it…? VERY detailed & comprehensive in that area.

        And last… which is more important to you? YOUR ‘druthers… or God’s…?

        If you DON’T watch it… the loss is yours, not mine!

        • Trevor

          Thanks, but I’ll pass.

          Christmas is a story of miracle, taking a leap of faith and trusting that God has provided the world a Savior, and filled with love, hope, and a bright future for mankind who put their trust in God the Father through Jesus Christ, our blessed Lord and Savior.

          Christmas is also about God being faithful to His words as He said, “For as the rain comes down, and the snow from heaven, and do not return there, but water the earth, and make it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower and bread to the eater, so shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; it shall not return to Me void, but it shall accomplish what I please, and it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it,” Isaiah 55:10-11.

          For, if God promised that there will be a deliverer who will save Israel from their sins, so can we trust God that He will send His Son back to earth to rule the world, the Golden Age of 1,000 years of reign, with His saints.

          May it be so, Lord. Amen.

        • Julie

          biblical manner…in what context….what is the background…you don’t have that….bible alone is just that…without salvation history.

      • RodK1975

        You forgot Saturnalia

      • Steve Smith

        ”I don’t celebrate Christmas with trees anymore”, Trevor it is not pagan, God said he is like the green fir tree on the hills of Lebanon. Bringing branches in the house is a Jewish custom.

        • Trevor

          Mind sharing me the Jewish custom? I have never heard of it, and would like some information.

          What I have lamented in recent years is how Christians have completely lost sight on the true meaning of Christmas and instead have become too focus on what they receive, not on what they give. That, and the commercialism of Christmas. I guess I’m turning into a Charlie Brown.

          • Steve Smith

            Trevor. have you heard of the festival of booths? A father will plant evergreen trees at the birth of his kids and the branches would be used to make the bower of branches for weddings and for making booths to live in in the house or in a garden or on a roof.

            God loves his creation, and uses it to teach us about him.

            see Hoe 14;3 to 9

            Psa 92:12 The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree: he shall grow like a cedar in Lebanon.

            Isa 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.

            Isa 55:10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
            Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
            Isa 55:12 For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands.
            Isa 55:13 Instead of the thorn shall come up the fir tree, and instead of the brier shall come up the myrtle tree: and it shall be to the LORD for a name, for an everlasting sign that shall not be cut off.

            http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/columns/sukkot-feast-of-tabernacles-guide-for-the-perplexed-2014%e2%80%8f/2014/10/07/

          • Trevor

            I have vaguely heard the Festival of Booths.

          • RodK1975

            I think, could be wrong, that the Festival of Booths and Feast of Tabernacles is the same thing.

          • Linda Murray

            Trevor… It’s actually called the Feast of ‘Sukkot’… or *TABERNACLES*. A sukkah is a dwelling… sometimes called a ‘booth’.

            Here’s a link to ALL the info on it…

            http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Holidays/Fall_Holidays/Sukkot/sukkot.html

            THAT & Tishri 1 is what we SHOULD be celebrating instead of pagan holidays. We should celebrate the Feasts of YHVH… not the feasts of mankind.

          • Linda Murray

            Don’t pay attention to RCC idea stretching, Trevor. Which is what Steve is doing with his ‘festival of booths’ crap… & citing ‘tree’ scriptures that have NOTHING to do with any of this.

          • Steve Smith

            I am not RCC as you put it, if you were better educated you would know that, your ideas are neo pagan you reject the pre-eternal Christ and his Church.

          • Steve Smith

    • aleks

      I’ve waited for another christmas that i could celebrate the merriest. Since in job for 20 years, i have never felt a christmas same way when i was a child. Now that i am not in an 8-hour job, but business, there is enough time for a good christmas celebration. A season celebrated with love , i never thought of an abomination.
      A religion in our country, “church of christ”, is one anti-christmas, and this is one religion full of pride thinking they are the only ones that will be saved.

    • AnthonyM

      You say Christmas (and other religious holidays like Easter, I suppose) are an abomination to God. Look at it like this, the early Christians died to defend Christianity from compromise with paganism. It doesn’t make sense they would at the same time, pollute the Church with these same pagan rites.

      Like the man said, Christmas is a celebration of the birth of our Saviour, our Lord Jesus Christ. That is the 2nd most important Church holyday. The Crucifixion is the most important. Do you celebrate that? What about Pentecost? Easter? Do you celebrate your birthday?

      I skipped the video, not out of fear, but I have seen too many publications that pretend to be factual, and twist facts to support their theory.

      • Steve Smith

        • Julie LaBrecque

          Lazy people will believe anything rather than doing homework.

          • Steve Smith

            Every year they have to crap on our joy. Trying to be a good boy for xmas lent, it is HARD! when I see crap like this.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            These people try to appear as puritans, but fail to realize they are heterodox. Happy Advent!

          • Steve Smith

            Thanks, dear you too, it’s long for us, Jan 7th

          • Linda Murray

            In other words… they follow God & His WORD instead of the pagan sun god church the RCC.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            The God of the Catholic Church is the One God in three divine persons as so defined by the Church.

          • Steve Smith

            Julie they get this crap from Tom Horn and Steve Quaile ‘
            remember sumesrent? he said that we worship the sun god because of the glory above the royal doors in an iconostasis.
            it’s a triangle with the name of God in Hebrew or a dove surround by a sunburst.. Like a catholic ostensorum

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Another striking analogy is that most women have an instinct to ‘nest’ in their last month of pregnancy.

          • Linda Murray

            Yah! ain’t it just TERRIBLE when someone cares enough about YHVH to want what HE wants… instead of just fun & their OWN enjoyment… because it ‘FEELS GOOD’…???

          • j7hancock

            Just ignore it. If they want to be Scrooges, that’s to their own unhappiness.

          • Steve Smith

            yes, they are like a turnip in the mud. being Orthodox we love God’s creation and enjoy it to the fullest. blessings j7hancock
            I use the English form of my name, Stefan Davidovich Schmidt is too much for Americans.

          • j7hancock

            Fantastic. I love that name. But I hear you loud and clear. God bless you too, Herr Schmidt ( I hope you don’t mind me using the German for Mr.) You’ll have to tell me what it is in your language. My first name is Jannah, pronounced Yahnah. I have a time with that one too.

          • Steve Smith

            Dad was from a Volga German family and Catholic and mom Rusin and Orthodox. so I don’t mind. My fathers name is David so I am called Steven son of David, Mr (Mister) ми́стер.

          • Linda Murray

            I did INDEPTH research/HOMEWORK for over 10 years, dear. Why? Because I CARED enough to make SURE I knew the truth.

          • Julie

            Well………………..I trust in the Church and its 2000 year old history that involved many, many people…even at the time of assembling the books of the bible….

          • Julie LaBrecque

            You obviously squandered ten years of your life.

          • j7hancock

            You must have only done a very one – sided type of research, which obviously didn’t tell the whole story.

          • It’s not research. It’s being taken for a fool by some charlatan because you couldn’t bother to learn real history, and rely on someone else to do the research you should be doing.

          • j7hancock

            Yes, that’s what I was thinking, too, Rudy. I just kind of feel sorry for her because she really believes what she read.

          • I hold the views of people contemptible. The people themselves? Yes, just to feel sorry for them is enough for now.

          • j7hancock

            My view exactly.

          • Steve Smith

            You missed this….

            St. John Chrysostom (347-407 A.D.), whose status in eastern Orthodoxy is comparable to that of Augustine in western Roman Catholicism, argued strongly for a Dec. 25 birthdate because of the course of Zacharias’ priestly service. But he also based his conclusion on the findings of Pope Julius. Bishop Cyril of Jerusalem (348-386 A.D.) had asked Pope Julius to ascertain the date of Christ’s birth “from the census documents brought by Titus to Rome” after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. Julius then determined the date of Christ’s birth to be Dec. 25.

            Julius, Cyril and Chrysostom were not alone in their reliance upon the census documents. Justin Martyr (100-165 A.D.), in a detailed statement of the Christian faith addressed to Emperor Marcus Aurelius, stated that Jesus was born in Bethlehem “as you can ascertain also from the registers of the taxing.” (Apology, I, 34). Likewise, Tertullian (160-250 A.D.) wrote of “the census of Augustus – that most faithful witness of the Lord’s nativity, kept in the archives of Rome” Contra Marcion, Book 4, 7).

          • Relijuns of men! Hell-fayah!! YVHV (or alternate spellings).

            Rubbish.

          • Steve Smith

            Rudy, take a look at this garbage the absolute ignorance is astounding. using Russian Icons to support this degenerate crap. Wonder that they are so twisted. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUy4FMB2mE8

          • Truly sickening, brother…

          • j7hancock

            Thanks for sharing, Steve.

        • Linda Murray

          Half of EVERY word in that video is chopped off. Sounds like gobble-de-gook. Poor quality.

          • Julie

            If that is the only phrase you can use….certainly you were not absorbing your understanding in an academic and professional way.

          • Julie

            read this: Catholicism is indeed the fulfillment of Judaism…
            http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Item/3512/the_roots_of_catholicism_pagan_or_jewish.aspx

            Hope you can open your mind to see others not hold the same conviction as yours…

          • AnthonyM

            Another good link, thanks.

          • Steve Smith

            just like the points you making. go get a real bible the Septuigent and a Greek New Testament.

        • AnthonyM

          Thqnks for the link, Steve. It was informative. I hope he can re-record or upload again as the audio had some issues, but the text seas there.

      • Linda Murray

        So… you think that God’s WORD twists facts to support it’s theory…??? Because His WORD is used ALL through the video, IN CONTEXT, to ‘support the facts’.

        • j7hancock

          Linda, if you want to remove the tree and yule log from Christmas or the eggs and bunnies from Easter, the by all means do. If that goes with what your conscience says, then do it. No one would fault you for removing the pagan practices out of the holidays. Many Christians I know do that. But to not celebrate the birth of Christ or His death and resurrection isn’t doing you any favours. God is not offended by people remembering Jesus’ birth or resurrection. There are many debates as to actual dates of Christ’s birth and resurrection, but the Catholic Church has many valid reasons for fixing the dates the way they are, and it does NOT have to do with covert pagan rituals that the Catholic Church secretly relishes and practices. Like you, I also used to believe along those lines until I went and did some REAL homework on these subjects.

      • j7hancock

        Yeah, I used to believe that stuff, too. And because of my occult past, I was asked to come speak at a couple local churches against these holidays for that reason. I had done some homework before soeaking. Later I actually did more homework on how those holidays came about, and I changed my tune.

    • Julie

      You are following the pagans in claiming such nonsense.

      • Linda Murray

        REALLY…? GOD’S WORD says different!…

        King David (1 Chr 28:11-13) divided the sons of Aaron into 24 ‘courses’ or groups (1 Chr 24:1-4) to create an orderly schedule by which the Temple of YHVH could be staffed for the year. Once these courses were established, lots were drawn to determine the sequence each group would serve in the Temple (1 Chr 24:7-19). Each of the 24 courses of priests would begin & end their service on the Sabbath for a tour of duty of one week (2 Chr 23:8, 1 Chr 9:25).

        The issue turns on the date assigned to the *course of Abia* & the exact time that Zacharias was in the Temple when he was visited by the angel Gabriel.

        The Jewish calendar begins in the spring (Nisan 1), so the first course of priests (Jehoiarib) would serve for 7 days. The 2nd week would then fall to the family of Jedaiah. The 3rd week would be the Feast of Passover, when all priests would be present for service, so the schedule would resume with the 3rd course of priests (Harim) on the 4th week. By the 10th week, since both Passover & Shavu’ot had occured, teh 8th course of Abia (Abijah) would be called for Temple service. By means of this arrangement, after the 24th course was completed, the cycle of courses would repeat, so that in a given year each group would serve in the Temple twice a year (in addition to the major Feasts).

        TISHRI 1 BIRTH…

        There’s several reasons to belive that Yeshua/Jesus was born during the fall, in particular, during Rosh Ha Shanah (head of the year… the birthdate of creation). The reasons for this follow…

        1. Jesus’ cousin, John hte Baptist, was conceived in the middle of Sivan (May/June) & born 40 weeks later on Nisan 15… Passover.

        a. John’s father (zacharias) was a Levite who was assigned to serve in the Temple during the course of Abia, the 8th course of the year. (Luke 1:5, 1 Chr 24:10)

        b. Since the cycle of service began on the first Shabbat of Nisan, but both Paaover & Shavu’ot require ALL preiestly courses to serve, the actual time the 8th course would serve would be during the 10th week of the year. This places Zacharius’ service as beginning on the 2nd Sabbath of the month of Sivan (May/June).

        c. Scripture says that John the Baptist was conceived shortly after this tour of duty (Luke 1:23-24). So he was probably conceived shortly after the 3rd Sabbath of Sivan… late Sivan.

        d. So John the Baptist was born around Passover (Nisan 15). Yeshua/Jesus said that John the Baptist was a type of Elijah the prophet (Matt 17:10-13, Luke 1:17). And it is customary TODAY for Jews to set out a special cup of wine during Passover Seder meal… anticipating the arrival of Elijah for the feast.

        2. Yeshua/Jesus was conceived in late Kislev & born 40 weeks later during Rosh Ha Shanah… the Feast of Trumpets… the birthday of creation.

        a. Yeshua/Jesus was conceived 6 months after John the Baptist (Luke 1:24-27, 36). The *6th* month refers to Elizabeth’s pregnancy, NOT the month of Elul (Luke 1:36).

        b. 6 months added to late Sivan = late Kislev, which is the time of teh conception of Jesus (Please make note that the first day of Channukah, *THE FEAST OF LIGHTS*, is on Kislev 25, & Yeshua/Jesus is called *THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD* in John 8:12, 9:5 & 12:46.

        c. From John’s birthday in Nisan we add 6 months to get Tishri 1… Rosh Ha Shanah (head of the year… the birthdate of creation).

        CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCES…

        1. We know that Jesus was 30 years old when He started His ministry (Luke 3:23), & assuming, as many Biblical Scholars do, that He ministered for 3 1/2 years, we can count backwards from hte crucifixion (during Passover in Nisan) 6 months, to discover His birthday in Tishri.

        2. The RCC (in 336 AD) declared December 25th (on the Julian calendar) to be Yeshua/Jesus’ birthday in order to merge His birthdate with that of the sun god. What BETTER way for satan to mix God’s HOLY THINGS with his UNHOLY things.

        Of ALL the days of the 364 OTHER days of the year that one could choose to celebrate Yeshua’s birth… don’t you find it STRANGE that someone would *CHOOSE* to move it to the day that satan likes to celebrate *his* birthday…???

        • Julie

          Christ fulfilled High Priest on that Jewish feast on Ascension Thursday….He resides in all tabernacles throughout the world.

          It is the Eucharist that gives understanding to Sacred Scripture not some man made bias.

    • Julie LaBrecque

      Why did the pagans copy the date of Dec 25 for the date of their celebration of the Birthday of the Unconquered Sun? Did you know this? Why did they copy/mock this date? Could it be that Satan mocks/imitates Jesus?

      • Steve Smith

        here is something about that, Trying to find the sermon on Christmas day by St Johan CHRISOSTOMOS said the records were in Rome in the imperial archives. http://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=16-10-012-v

        • Julie LaBrecque

          Thanks for the link

          • Steve Smith

            Julie, found it History does not lie. http://www.wnd.com/2009/12/119886/

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Awesome, have saved it. Dr. Taylor Marshall provides much of this same reasoning using the 2nd course of Abias, and historical documents to show the 25th as being that date of his birth in his book “The Eternal City”.

          • Steve Smith

            I found the sermon can’t copy or paste from the site. Love to find the book. Julie the church fathers had information that is lost today. http://www.johnsanidopoulos.com/2013/12/how-did-church-determine-christ-was.html

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Have ever heard the legend that on the day that Christ was born, oil flowed out from the earth near a tavern in Rome? It is called Trastevere, which is south of the Vatican/west of the Tiber, and is marked by the Church of Saint Maria. The site was granted to the Christians by the Emperor Septimius Severus (reigned 193-211), in 220 Pope Saint Callixtus I established the site as a church, and his relics are under the high altar.

          • Linda Murray

            OY VEZ! :rolleyes: You’ll belive ANYTHIING the RCC tells you… but totally ignore God’s WORD & desires on it. SAD! 🙁

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Peter and Paul were crucified in Rome, it is not in ‘God’s word’, but it is recorded history. If we don’t have recorded history, we don’t know when prophecy has been fulfilled.

          • Peter and Paul would probably have anathematized clowns like this if they knew the Bible was turned into a scout manual instead of Holy Writ.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Isn’t it the truth? These people become like animals, void of rational/critical thinking. Is there a verse in Holy Writ that tells us we will have the Bible? Does this non-existent verse list the books that will be included in it? Could you imagine the straw St. Augustine would make of these fools?

          • Julie

            The times they refer to….was not Roman Catholic but the universal Christian Church…universal in that time was Katholik…Greek…although my spelling is not correct.

          • Steve Smith

            No, I haven’t thanks, I do know about Our Lady of the Snow.

      • Linda Murray

        ROFLMAO… 😀 That’s pitiful! December 25th was Nimrod’s birthday… & when he died… *WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY* before Jesus was EVER born, his people declared him the sun god & have celebrated his birthday EVER SINCE…!

        You JUST showed your lack of knowledge on the subject, sweetie! 😀

        • Julie

          what church are you in? What is your denomination?

          Have you ever gone to church on Christmas Day?….It celebrates the Lord,

          Christmas was not a feast day until the Middle Ages….

          The greatest feast day in the Church is the 8th day….the feast of the Resurrection…that occurs every ordinary Sunday.

          Easter is the second greatest feast….and Christmas the third.

          Sorry no nimrod here….

          • Linda Murray

            I don’t ‘FOLLOW’ any *MAN’S CHURCH*. I follow YHVH/God & Him alone.

            the only thing I ‘belong to’ is His ‘Qahal’ that He established when He called Abraham OUT of Babylon to follow Him where ever He said to go… & do.

            When Abraham obeyed Him Abraham became ‘IVRIT’… one who OBEYS & crosses over to follow God… & that action is what makes him HOLY… separated & ‘set apart’ unto YHVH/God.

            THAT, my dear is God’s Qahal… or as you like to call it by a pagan name/word… ‘church/CIRCE’.

            When Yeshua/Jesus came & died for the sin of anyone who would FOLLOW *HIM* (not ‘people’) He added the dimension of the NEW BIRTH (of one’s SPIRIT… not their flesh) to the requirement of the Qahal.

            He didn’t ‘CHANGE’ anything or take anything ‘BACK’… for according to His WORD… Malachi 3:6… ” I am YHVH, I DO NOT CHANGE…”. He is the same… YESTERDAY… TODAY… & FOREVER!

            I will be crying for you on the day when you discover God’s TRUTH for it will be too late for you at that point. 🙁 For now I just shake my head in sadness & shake the dust from my feet & move on.

            BTW… since you don’t read scripture… that last sentence above is taken directly from God’s Word where He tells us when people don’t ‘want to hear’ His Truth… to ‘shake the dust from our feet & move on’.

          • Julie

            I doubt it…you sound like you come out of those 1800’s American Restorationist churches that claim they are the 144,000 or there was no church because it fell away after the death of the last apostle, or there was the Great Apostasy…but none of them can even identify any event that brought about the great falling away until it happened in America….

            Sorry….but the God I believe in does not change or establish a Church based on His apostles, given the authority to bind and loosen sin, to establish His Church with bishops and presbyters and order…..and then on some non determined point in time…the Holy Spirit suddenly leaves and voila! There is no church except for a few people in America.

            No don’t buy into the JW…Jehovah Witnesses, or the Mormons or the Seventh Day Adventists sects….

            You are making very bold and presumptuous statements to state that people here don’t read the bible or don’t want to know the truth….

            My salvation is dependent on God’s mercy….not on a debatable date in December.

          • Julie

            Interesting you bring up ‘hear’…because Catholicism is based on the Oral Tradition of Jesus Christ.

            Christ did not pass out books of the Bible. He had His apostles who were filled with the Holy Spirit and were sent forth to preach the Good News.

            Thus at Mass, we hear the Word of God, Old and New Testament…followed by the Liturgy of the Eucharist….that gives Life to the Word.

            Consider the story of the Road to Emmaus.

            No the throngs who surrounded Christ were not given bibles to take home….nor did the apostles at Pentecost give out bibles..in fact after the printing of the Gutenberg press, most people still could not read…………

          • Julie

            You are following Linda’s church.

          • Julie

            You are the one who is not following the truth and you should let go of your malice and charges of paganism as it is in your heart.

            What makes you think we don’t pray and hear the Sacred Word of God?

            I have never heard either of your organization.

            Christ said upon Peter He would build His Church. Your organization does not have any trace or connection to Peter….Yours appears to be that house that is divided and turned in on itself to fall.

          • So you’re either a Messianic Jew or Hebrew Roots Movement member. Congratulations. You’re a heretic.

            ‘Religions of men.’ How lame.

          • Linda Murray

            So… tell us why it is that you feel the NEED to add ‘tags’ &/OR ‘names’ TO EVERYONE…?

            I don’t ‘BELONG’ to ANY ‘tagged/named’ group of people or ‘tagged/named’ organization. I ‘belong’… to YHVH/GOD… & Him alone.

            I read & follow His WORD which TELLS ME what His desires are & what He requires of HIS people. And it DOESN’T require ANY MAN to ‘tell us’ what it ‘means’… or ‘interpret it’ for us. It is CLEAR enough for us to ‘get’ ourselves.

            Do you want proof from God Himself…? Here it is…

            Deu 31:9-13…

            And Moses wrote this Torah, and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and unto all the elders of Israel.

            And Moses commanded them, saying, ***AT THE END OF EVERY 7 YEARS***, in the solemnity of the year of release, in the feast of tabernacles,

            When all Israel is come to appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose, ***THOU SHALT READ THIS TORAH BEFORE ALL ISRAEL IN THEIR HEARING.***

            Gather the people together, men, and women, and children, and thy stranger that is within thy gates, ***THAT THEY MAY HEAR, AND THAT THEY MAY LEARN, AND FEAR YEHOVAH YOUR GOD, AND OBSERVE TO DO ALL THE WORDS OF THIS TORAH***

            ***AND THAT THEIR CHILDREN, WHICH HAVE NOT KNOWN ANYTHING, MAY HEAR, AND LEARN TO FEAR YEHOVAH YOUR GOD***, as long as ye live in the land whither ye go over Jordan to possess it.
            **********************************************

            NOWHERE in there did God tell Moses to ‘EXPLAIN… INTERPRET… TELL THEM WHAT IT *MEANS*’. He said… READ IT TO THEM SO THAT WHEN THEY *HEAR MY TORAH* THEY MAY *KNOW* WHAT I EXPECT OF THEM. ***PERIOD…!***

            Is that CLEAR ENOUGH for you…? Can you UNDERSTAND IT… or do you STILL NEED ‘other people’ to ‘EXPLAIN… INTERPRET’ THAT to ya, too?

          • Uh, read your Bible again, cretin. Everything you just sputtered made you look very, very foolish, but go worship your cartoon version of God.

        • Julie

          Have you ever attended any service on Dec 25 celebrating Nimrod or know of any in town or around???

        • Julie LaBrecque

          Who declared Him to be the Sun God? Can you show any historical writings of the Church Fathers that state this?

        • Julie

          Go to any Christian Church and you will find they are worshipping the Lord. You should join them and learn something.

    • I am not 100% certain that Dec. 25th is the birthdate of our LORD, but someone chose that date I suppose to honor His birth… So I honor His birth, if that date coincides with a pagan holiday big deal…. I celebrate and honor my LORD’ presence everyday, which no doubt happens to be on several pagan holidays throughout the year.

      If the 4th of July coincides with a pagan holiday, big deal… I celebrate the freedom we have in this country… I don’t celebrate or acknowledge any pagan gods…

      If your child’s birthday fell on a pagan’s holiday would you tell this child, your sorry but you can not celebrate his/her birthday today… How legalistic or stupid some people can be is truly amazing to me.

      • Linda Murray

        *WATCH & LEARN*… about GOD’S WORD, grasshoppah… for it tells us when Jesus was born…

        King David (1 Chr 28:11-13) divided the sons of Aaron into 24 ‘courses’ or groups (1 Chr 24:1-4) to create an orderly schedule by which the Temple of YHVH could be staffed for the year. Once these courses were established, lots were drawn to determine the sequence each group would serve in the Temple (1 Chr 24:7-19). Each of the 24 courses of priests would begin & end their service on the Sabbath for a tour of duty of one week (2 Chr 23:8, 1 Chr 9:25).

        The issue turns on the date assigned to the *course of Abia* & the exact time that Zacharias was in the Temple when he was visited by the angel Gabriel.

        The Jewish calendar begins in the spring (Nisan 1), so the first course of priests (Jehoiarib) would serve for 7 days. The 2nd week would then fall to the family of Jedaiah. The 3rd week would be the Feast of Passover, when all priests would be present for service, so the schedule would resume with the 3rd course of priests (Harim) on the 4th week. By the 10th week, since both Passover & Shavu’ot had occured, teh 8th course of Abia (Abijah) would be called for Temple service. By means of this arrangement, after the 24th course was completed, the cycle of courses would repeat, so that in a given year each group would serve in the Temple twice a year (in addition to the major Feasts).

        TISHRI 1 BIRTH…

        There’s several reasons to belive that Yeshua/Jesus was born during the fall, in particular, during Rosh Ha Shanah (head of the year… the birthdate of creation). The reasons for this follow…

        1. Jesus’ cousin, John hte Baptist, was conceived in the middle of Sivan (May/June) & born 40 weeks later on Nisan 15… Passover.

        a. John’s father (zacharias) was a Levite who was assigned to serve in the Temple during the course of Abia, the 8th course of the year. (Luke 1:5, 1 Chr 24:10)

        b. Since the cycle of service began on the first Shabbat of Nisan, but both Paaover & Shavu’ot require ALL preiestly courses to serve, the actual time the 8th course would serve would be during the 10th week of the year. This places Zacharius’ service as beginning on the 2nd Sabbath of the month of Sivan (May/June).

        c. Scripture says that John the Baptist was conceived shortly after this tour of duty (Luke 1:23-24). So he was probably conceived shortly after the 3rd Sabbath of Sivan… late Sivan.

        d. So John the Baptist was born around Passover (Nisan 15). Yeshua/Jesus said that John the Baptist was a type of Elijah the prophet (Matt 17:10-13, Luke 1:17). And it is customary TODAY for Jews to set out a special cup of wine during Passover Seder meal… anticipating the arrival of Elijah for the feast.

        2. Yeshua/Jesus was conceived in late Kislev & born 40 weeks later during Rosh Ha Shanah… the Feast of Trumpets… the birthday of creation.

        a. Yeshua/Jesus was conceived 6 months after John the Baptist (Luke 1:24-27, 36). The *6th* month refers to Elizabeth’s pregnancy, NOT the month of Elul (Luke 1:36).

        b. 6 months added to late Sivan = late Kislev, which is the time of teh conception of Jesus (Please make note that the first day of Channukah, *THE FEAST OF LIGHTS*, is on Kislev 25, & Yeshua/Jesus is called *THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD* in John 8:12, 9:5 & 12:46.

        c. From John’s birthday in Nisan we add 6 months to get Tishri 1… Rosh Ha Shanah (head of the year… the birthdate of creation).

        CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCES…

        1. We know that Jesus was 30 years old when He started His ministry (Luke 3:23), & assuming, as many Biblical Scholars do, that He ministered for 3 1/2 years, we can count backwards from hte crucifixion (during Passover in Nisan) 6 months, to discover His birthday in Tishri.

        2. The RCC (in 336 AD) declared December 25th (on the Julian calendar) to be Yeshua/Jesus’ birthday in order to merge His birthdate with that of the sun god. What BETTER way for satan to mix God’s HOLY THINGS with his UNHOLY things.

        Of ALL the days of the 364 OTHER days of the year that one could choose to celebrate Yeshua’s birth… don’t you find it STRANGE that someone would *CHOOSE* to move it to the day that satan likes to celebrate *his* birthday…???

        • Julie

          Read Cardinal Ratzinger ‘Spirit of the Liturgy’ for Christian sources…

          You are stuck in the Old Testament and chances are there are no saints to witness your type of faith either.

        • Julie LaBrecque

          What happens to your theory and calculations if Zacharias was serving the second course (32nd week) of Abiah during the month of Tishiri (Sept/Oct)? Historical evidence for the celebration of Christ’s birth on Dec 25 is almost 200 yrs before your date of AD 336: Theophilus, Bishop of Caesarea of Palestine (170-240): “We I ought to celebrate the birthday of our Lord on what day soever the 25th of December shall happen.” St. Hippolytus (170-240): ‘The first Advent of our Lord in the flesh occurred when He was born in Bethlehem, was December 25…”

          • Linda Murray

            We know that Yeshua was years old when he started His ministry (Luke3:23), & assuming (AS MOST BIBLE SCHOLARS DO) that He ministered for 3 1/2 years, we can count backwards from the crucifixion (DURING PASSOVER in Nisan) 6 months, to discover His birthday in Tishri.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            That doesn’t answer the question.

        • Julie LaBrecque

          I didn’t know Satan came in the flesh? When is it that he was born?

    • Julie

      Documentation? same old anti catholic material. In meantime I found a good site that draws on scholars…it explains how Christianity fulfilled Jewish feasts, as well as linguistic issues.

      Emperor Aurelian in 274 made Christmas a pagan feast day to draw them back into paganism but they refused.

      Anyway go to November 13, 2014…great source….

      http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Item/the-roots-of-catholicism-pagan-or-jewish.aspx

      It also includes some information how the tradition of belief in Judaism that prophets died on their birth as well…..

    • Julie

      What matters is the truth.

      This is a good article that helps you understand if you are open to the truth, that Catholic feasts are Jewish in origin.

      This time I hope to get the source down right:

      http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Item_the_roots_of_Catholicism_pagan_or_jewish.aspx

    • Julie

      I now have the reference down right that is documented…briefly enough to give people objective background for further research.

      http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Item/3512/the_roots_of_catholicism_pagan_or_jewish.aspx#

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Atheists and secularists would agree with the Muslims in this, and unfortunately, some ‘Christians’.

    • RodK1975

      I find it borderline hilarious when people talk about secularists taking over and ruining Christian Holidays, but the idea of Christians Christianizing a pagan holiday is impossible and we’re all celebrating a pagan holiday and don’t realize it. Every time I hear this crap I feel as if my IQ drops a quarter point.

      • Julie LaBrecque

        Almost all people of all times had some belief in a god/gods and they had rituals to worship their ‘god’. The gentiles, pagans, had some truth to their beliefs and their rituals. Jesus came to save all people, Jew and Gentile ‘glory for thy people Israel’ and ‘a light of revelation’ to the gentiles, those immortal words spoken by Simeon when Mary and Joseph presented Jesus in the temple. So this “light’ would rectify and clarify their understanding. It is typically easier to convert people that a least have some belief in a god, than it is to convert and atheist. These nuts don’t think past the nose on their face. If pagans believe in a god, and we believe in a God, are we pagans because of this analogy? The nutters just pick and choose which similarities they choose to vilify and condemn.

        • RodK1975

          Your logic is unassailable, Madame. Paul’s sermon on Mars Hill is a good example. I doubt their “Unknown God” was Jehovah but regardless Paul seized the opportunity to use that as a tool against their false religion. It just bugs me that God gave us common sense but when it comes to religion and the Bible people switch that off and leave it at the door.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Of course.

        • Linda Murray

          And they ALL originated from Babylon… Nimrod… his wife Semiramis… & their son Tammuz. When the people & languages were scattered the names changed in each culture becuase the languages were different.

          But they ALL represent the original 3… Nimrod… his wife Semiramis… & their son Tammuz…!!!

          • Julie

            You really are messing yourself up.

      • Julie LaBrecque

        If they did a little research they would find that there is no historical record for a celebration of the ‘Birthday of the Unconquered Sun’ on Dec 25 until AD 354, after the Christianization of Rome. Emperor ‘Julian the Apostate’ returned to paganism (‘undoing’ his baptism by being baptized in bull’s blood), and seemingly attempted to replace the Christian holiday of Christmas with a pagan one. Lazy people are so easily seduced into believing lies..

        • RodK1975

          Ah yes, Sol Invictus… I’d forgotten about that. It was somehow intertwined with Saturnalia. I need to brush up on my Roman History I’m getting rusty.

        • Linda Murray

          Julie LaBrecque said…

          “If they did a little research they would find that there is no historical record for a celebration of the ‘Birthday of the Unconquered Sun’ on Dec 25 until AD 354, after the Christianization of Rome.”

          ROFLMAO… 😀 You JUST SHOWED yer lack of knowledge of archeology & this subject…!!! LOLOL

          Nimrod’s birthday was on the equivalent of December 25th. His people worshiped him & when he died his people named him the sun god & have been celebrating his birthday ever since.

          And that’s EGGS-ACTLY why Rome did what it did! To mix God’s holy with the profane!

          REMEMBER…EVERY sun god in the history of ALL the different cultures… originated from Nimrod!

          • Julie

            h hahah…lol lol ….all you can refer to…but in fact the Church is celebrating Our Lord…the feast of the Infancia….

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Where’s your proof? Now you say ‘the equivalent” of Dec 25. I guess that would include the Jews who celebrate the Feast of LIGHTS around the same time.

          • Steve Smith

            She does not have proof, her ideas are neo-pagan.
            They always do this dog and pony show .no real links to solid accredited HISTORIANS.

  • royal

    This tells us more then the muslim knows. Its not the word Marry that has their undees in a bunch. It’s the word CHRISTMAS is it becouse of Jesus Title is in the word The word Christ– Gods “anointed ” the Messiah . This is Satan the enemy, coming through his muslim servent. Satan tryed to kill the Christ when he was born. IT REMINDS Satan that he has lost, and what his future is

    • Julie

      Christ Mass

      • Julie LaBrecque

        That might scare her.

      • royal

        A Mass is a Celebration….of the Eucharist in the Roman Catholic Church

        • Julie

          In the Eastern Church, it is the Divine Mysteries.

          Refer to St. Justin the Martyr, 154 AD, his letter to the then Roman Emperor….describing the Mass..its structure and parts, spirit and tone as it as uniformly said throughout the ancient Christian world, whose essentials are the same today. That is the work of the Holy Spirit.

          • royal

            That sounds beautiful….what do you mean by the Easten Church

          • Orthodoxy and Catholicism from the Eastern lands, like Eastern Europe and the Middle East.

          • Julie

            Eastern Orthodox who broke away from the Latin Church around 1000 AD or so…Rudy has more details about dates, etc as he is Orthodox.

          • royal

            Got it : )

        • Julie LaBrecque

          That is the foundation for Christmas, Christ Mass, God in the flesh whom we receive.

          • royal

            Merry Christmas. : )

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Merry Christmas to you Royal.

  • Steve Smith

    Hey guys , lets drive the Moslems crazy. I drove them Somali families nuts with my Russian kaloda https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og53kX9-UoY&list=RDog53kX9-UoY&index=1

    • Fhr68

      wonderful. so full of the spirit and joy of Christmas. make no wonder you drove them nuts, the sound of joy is very resounding to their closed sensitive ears which are forbidden to hear it.

      • Steve Smith

        Fhr68, they said that our Christian songs hurt them and why we sing in January? I said that your nasty smelly cooking hurt me, and slam the door on them.

        • Fhr68

          lol> good for you Steve! Christian songs hurt them, well of course it does. they are not allowed to have any joy.

          • Steve Smith

            Good food, vodka ,and Soviet champagne. T

          • Fhr68

            God bless you and Ivan, I know they back off fast, its mostly talk.

  • dovari

    After readings the comments on Christmas day, I wanted to share this link. I want know to what you think about it.

    Mike Heiser, a Hebrew scholar.

    • momprayn

      Yes, this is what I have heard before – and that it is more likely He was born in that season also because that is when the shepherds would be out in the field with the sheep – not winter. But for me, the date isn’t that important.
      I was raised in a church that didn’t believe in celebrating Christmas because of the pagan stuff but when I got older and checked into it some more I came across the verses:
      “One person esteems one day above another, another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it.. For none of us lives to himself and no one dies to himself. For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again…But why do you judge your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ….Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way.” Romans 14:5-13

      So I took those as an answer — it’s ok to celebrate or not celebrate. We shouldn’t criticize fellow Christians about it. To those that celebrate it and most people now, they do not think of it as pagan in any way (or even know about those stories); they think of it as honoring and praising, thanking God for Jesus and Jesus voluntary sacrifice for us. It isn’t a command that we celebrate it and perhaps some good reason we were not given the date. But if some choose that day to do it, that’s fine by me.

      Also I am thinking that sometimes unbelievers are converted over these Christmas holidays or backsliders come back because of the focus on Christ, etc. and scriptures, praise music fills the air over most of the country at this time. What could be wrong with that? I decided to celebrate it years ago and never regretted it. But I don’t mind if someone else chooses not to.

      • momprayn

        And if you think about it, this applies to other contentious topics as well, in my view.

        • Linda Murray

          Your view is not necessarily God’s view.

          • momprayn

            Ditto

          • Linda Murray

            My view IS God’s view because My view follows the TRUTH of his Word. Not the TRADITIONS OF MEN which make His WORD of no effect.

      • dovari

        Thanks for the response. The video I posted is just for food for thought. Not to controvert any opinion. I do celebrate Christmas on 25 Dec every year, no matter what the astronomy or some pope has to say. There has to be some day celebrate Jesus birthday and it is a great day.

        • momprayn

          Yes, and I posted those verses for “food for thought” also. Which reminds me, I accidentally left out some in v. 10*:
          “But why do you judge your brother? *Or why do you show contempt for your brother?” NKJV
          KJV for “contempt” : “..why dost thou set at naught..”
          Grk. word for “naught” exoutheneo = contemptible, despise, least esteemed, set at nought

          Another comes to mind: “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees..For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law; justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone. Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel..” Matthew 23:23, 24

          • Julie

            The Christmas season celebrates the coming of Our Lord in darkness….triumphing over all paganism…

          • Trevor

            That is my main point about Christmas. I know for many people it’s a time to be charitable, as we see bell ringers for Salvation’s Army, to Angel’s Tree. Something about Christmas put many folks in the mood to be charitable, and why’s that?

            Perhaps it’s because deep within themselves, they know that God offered the world the greatest gift, eternal life through Jesus Christ, the Passover Lamb offered as sacrifices for our sins so God, through His Son, could condemn sins. For as the first Adam brought death into the world through his lions by disobedience, Christ, the last Adam, brought eternal life to all who believe. It takes a literal/figurative/metaphor leap of faith to believe what medicine science says is impossible – that God rose Jesus from the grave on the 3rd day. When Jesus returns and after Satan is defeated, the final enemy to be destroyed is Death itself.

            My favorite part of the festival is sitting with my family, listening to my father-in-law narrate the Christmas story, and then we all engage in lively discussion about the importance of Mary and Joseph each taking a leap of faith and defying social norms to accept God’s calling in their life.

            As Abraham is the father to all who believe and credit to God righteousness, so is Mary the mother to all who believe in Jesus Christ as the Savior.

        • Linda Murray

          dovari… your video guy is DEAD ON on Jesus’ birth date! And those verses that momprayn quoted do NOT mean what she THINKS they mean. If you don’t understand the OT & Hebrew culture… you WILL NOT understand those verses correctly.

          God’s WORD tells us when Jesus was born…

          King David (1 Chr 28:11-13) divided the sons of Aaron into 24 ‘courses’ or groups (1 Chr 24:1-4) to create an orderly schedule by which the Temple of YHVH could be staffed for the year. Once these courses were established, lots were drawn to determine the sequence each group would serve in the Temple (1 Chr 24:7-19). Each of the 24 courses of priests would begin & end their service on the Sabbath for a tour of duty of one week (2 Chr 23:8, 1 Chr 9:25).

          The issue turns on the date assigned to the *course of Abia* & the exact time that Zacharias was in the Temple when he was visited by the angel Gabriel.

          The Jewish calendar begins in the spring (Nisan 1), so the first course of priests (Jehoiarib) would serve for 7 days. The 2nd week would then fall to the family of Jedaiah. The 3rd week would be the Feast of Passover, when all priests would be present for service, so the schedule would resume with the 3rd course of priests (Harim) on the 4th week. By the 10th week, since both Passover & Shavu’ot had occured, teh 8th course of Abia (Abijah) would be called for Temple service. By means of this arrangement, after the 24th course was completed, the cycle of courses would repeat, so that in a given year each group would serve in the Temple twice a year (in addition to the major Feasts).

          TISHRI 1 BIRTH…

          There’s several reasons to belive that Yeshua/Jesus was born during the fall, in particular, during Rosh Ha Shanah (head of the year… the birthdate of creation). The reasons for this follow…

          1. Jesus’ cousin, John hte Baptist, was conceived in the middle of Sivan (May/June) & born 40 weeks later on Nisan 15… Passover.

          a. John’s father (zacharias) was a Levite who was assigned to serve in the Temple during the course of Abia, the 8th course of the year. (Luke 1:5, 1 Chr 24:10)

          b. Since the cycle of service began on the first Shabbat of Nisan, but both Paaover & Shavu’ot require ALL preiestly courses to serve, the actual time the 8th course would serve would be during the 10th week of the year. This places Zacharius’ service as beginning on the 2nd Sabbath of the month of Sivan (May/June).

          c. Scripture says that John the Baptist was conceived shortly after this tour of duty (Luke 1:23-24). So he was probably conceived shortly after the 3rd Sabbath of Sivan… late Sivan.

          d. So John the Baptist was born around Passover (Nisan 15). Yeshua/Jesus said that John the Baptist was a type of Elijah the prophet (Matt 17:10-13, Luke 1:17). And it is customary TODAY for Jews to set out a special cup of wine during Passover Seder meal… anticipating the arrival of Elijah for the feast.

          2. Yeshua/Jesus was conceived in late Kislev & born 40 weeks later during Rosh Ha Shanah… the Feast of Trumpets… the birthday of creation.

          a. Yeshua/Jesus was conceived 6 months after John the Baptist (Luke 1:24-27, 36). The *6th* month refers to Elizabeth’s pregnancy, NOT the month of Elul (Luke 1:36).

          b. 6 months added to late Sivan = late Kislev, which is the time of teh conception of Jesus (Please make note that the first day of Channukah, *THE FEAST OF LIGHTS*, is on Kislev 25, & Yeshua/Jesus is called *THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD* in John 8:12, 9:5 & 12:46.

          c. From John’s birthday in Nisan we add 6 months to get Tishri 1… Rosh Ha Shanah (head of the year… the birthdate of creation).

          CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCES…

          1. We know that Jesus was 30 years old when He started His ministry (Luke 3:23), & assuming, as many Biblical Scholars do, that He ministered for 3 1/2 years, we can count backwards from hte crucifixion (during Passover in Nisan) 6 months, to discover His birthday in Tishri.

          2. The RCC (in 336 AD) declared December 25th (on the Julian calendar) to be Yeshua/Jesus’ birthday in order to merge His birthdate with that of the sun god. What BETTER way for satan to mix God’s HOLY THINGS with his UNHOLY things.

          Of ALL the days of the 364 OTHER days of the year that one could choose to celebrate Yeshua’s birth… don’t you find it STRANGE that someone would *CHOOSE* to move it to the day that satan likes to celebrate *his* birthday…???

          • dovari

            Great Info. Thanks Linda

          • Linda Murray

            dovari … You’re very welcome. 🙂

  • Except that Protestants are far more prone to doing this, statistically. Still, a deluded fool, like a Muslim fanatic he resembles, can swim in the cesspool of his own making.

    • TroySavary

      So if this is true, where are the government inquiries into Protestant schools and churches for decades of abuse and cover up? The celebate nature of the priesthood provided the perfect cover for sodomites to hide. It provided them with both an excuse for their lack of interest in women and easy access to young boys under their authority.

      • Julie LaBrecque

        Does marriage give cover for adultery? Your logic is flawed.

      • Show us where. Men, for centuries, had no trouble with ths. It is the sick, masturbatory fantasy of the Protestant and atheist who peddle this filth. You would have happily called John the Baptist a child rapist, you sick cretin.

        • Julie LaBrecque

          These waterless springs cannot produce ONE Eunuch for the sake of the kingdom in all their 500 years of existence. They forget that John the Baptist, Jeremiah, Enoch and Elijah were celibate. The protestants have no sense for holiness, piety, or sanctity because their theology is “Once saved, always saved”, Jesus did it all so there is nothing I can do, and like Luther, they just stand there like an old tree and have Jesus cover their dunghill with his robe.

      • Julie LaBrecque

        Has your church produced one Eunuch that is a Eunuch for the sake of the Kingdom (Matt 19:12)? What Church has the male virgins that have never defiled themselves with women that follow the Lamb wherever He goes (Rev 14:4)?

  • Tom_mcewen

    ”So, finding a bad pastor invalidates all non-Catholics?” No, but bad theology does, No, but History does, No, but dishonest translation of the Greek for political ends does, No, but pulling verses out of the paragraph, chapter, book, history, culture, language and making that verse a universal overruling the rest of the bible does, No, but 16th century myths do and Mr. Shoebats article on far worse sexual abuse in the protestant churches does.

  • Arvis

    Speaking of Christmas, A Blessed Feast of Saint Nicholas Day to all.

    • Steve Smith

      Arvis, I just love this.

      • Arvis

        I know one heretic that needs a good slap.

        • Steve Smith

          actually he punched him in the nose, I think that is even better!

        • Arvis

          Steve, I was trying to be subtle without name dropping, but I think you finally got it.

    • j7hancock

      To you too! St. Nicholas is one of my favourites.

  • Linda Murray

    Here it is, Molon…

    King David (1 Chr 28:11-13) divided the sons of Aaron into 24 ‘courses’ or groups (1 Chr 24:1-4) to create an orderly schedule by which the Temple of YHVH could be staffed for the year. Once these courses were established, lots were drawn to determine the sequence each group would serve in the Temple (1 Chr 24:7-19). Each of the 24 courses of priests would begin & end their service on the Sabbath for a tour of duty of one week (2 Chr 23:8, 1 Chr 9:25).

    The issue turns on the date assigned to the *course of Abia* & the exact time that Zacharias was in the Temple when he was visited by the angel Gabriel.

    The Jewish calendar begins in the spring (Nisan 1), so the first course of priests (Jehoiarib) would serve for 7 days. The 2nd week would then fall to the family of Jedaiah. The 3rd week would be the Feast of Passover, when all priests would be present for service, so the schedule would resume with the 3rd course of priests (Harim) on the 4th week. By the 10th week, since both Passover & Shavu’ot had occured, teh 8th course of Abia (Abijah) would be called for Temple service. By means of this arrangement, after the 24th course was completed, the cycle of courses would repeat, so that in a given year each group would serve in the Temple twice a year (in addition to the major Feasts).

    TISHRI 1 BIRTH…

    There’s several reasons to belive that Yeshua/Jesus was born during the fall, in particular, during Rosh Ha Shanah (head of the year… the birthdate of creation). The reasons for this follow…

    1. Jesus’ cousin, John hte Baptist, was conceived in the middle of Sivan (May/June) & born 40 weeks later on Nisan 15… Passover.

    a. John’s father (zacharias) was a Levite who was assigned to serve in the Temple during the course of Abia, the 8th course of the year. (Luke 1:5, 1 Chr 24:10)

    b. Since the cycle of service began on the first Shabbat of Nisan, but both Paaover & Shavu’ot require ALL preiestly courses to serve, the actual time the 8th course would serve would be during the 10th week of the year. This places Zacharius’ service as beginning on the 2nd Sabbath of the month of Sivan (May/June).

    c. Scripture says that John the Baptist was conceived shortly after this tour of duty (Luke 1:23-24). So he was probably conceived shortly after the 3rd Sabbath of Sivan… late Sivan.

    d. So John the Baptist was born around Passover (Nisan 15). Yeshua/Jesus said that John the Baptist was a type of Elijah the prophet (Matt 17:10-13, Luke 1:17). And it is customary TODAY for Jews to set out a special cup of wine during Passover Seder meal… anticipating the arrival of Elijah for the feast.

    2. Yeshua/Jesus was conceived in late Kislev & born 40 weeks later during Rosh Ha Shanah… the Feast of Trumpets… the birthday of creation.

    a. Yeshua/Jesus was conceived 6 months after John the Baptist (Luke 1:24-27, 36). The *6th* month refers to Elizabeth’s pregnancy, NOT the month of Elul (Luke 1:36).

    b. 6 months added to late Sivan = late Kislev, which is the time of teh conception of Jesus (Please make note that the first day of Channukah, *THE FEAST OF LIGHTS*, is on Kislev 25, & Yeshua/Jesus is called *THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD* in John 8:12, 9:5 & 12:46.

    c. From John’s birthday in Nisan we add 6 months to get Tishri 1… Rosh Ha Shanah (head of the year… the birthdate of creation).

    CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCES…

    1. We know that Jesus was 30 years old when He started His ministry (Luke 3:23), & assuming, as many Biblical Scholars do, that He ministered for 3 1/2 years, we can count backwards from hte crucifixion (during Passover in Nisan) 6 months, to discover His birthday in Tishri.

    2. The RCC (in 336 AD) declared December 25th (on the Julian calendar) to be Yeshua/Jesus’ birthday in order to merge His birthdate with that of the sun god. What BETTER way for satan to mix God’s HOLY THINGS with his UNHOLY things.

    Of ALL the days of the 364 OTHER days of the year that one could choose to celebrate Yeshua’s birth… don’t you find it STRANGE that someone would *CHOOSE* to move it to the day that satan likes to celebrate *his* birthday…???

    • Julie

      You are stuck in ancient old testament practices.

      You inadvertently are denying the great power of the Resurrected Lord Who overcame sin and death, Who brings all up to Himself….

  • Julie

    It is also stated in the OT that the savior would die on a tree…

    Go back to Genesis…the Tree of Life….what is it and what happened to it???

  • Julie

    True….or celebrate their own lives…the Puritans in England banned Christmas for 20 years…

  • Julie

    The Feast of the Trumpets…ended with the destruction of the ancient Jewish temple.

    But came about instead was the Wind of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost…a loud roar…where everyone of different languages could understand the Good News.

  • Julie

    I have a man made Muslim community put in about 9 blocks from our house…man made meaning it was set up before any renters could apply…they all act scared and shut in on Christmas eve..pretty scary night…I hope not, but sense that about them.

  • RodK1975

    Salient point, Benham.

  • j7hancock

    I made that same point a few years back to a co-redemptrix who was atheist. The next day, he erased our “Happy Holidays” on our chalk display board and put up there “Peaceful Festive Season”. Lol! I guess it took him all night to think that one up.

  • RodK1975

    Awesome… my last name means something like “Ugly head” in the Gaelic… sigh

    • j7hancock

      Nah, that’s not what I heard. I heard it means “helmeted head” or “helmeted chief” and that it was often used as a girl’s or boy’s first name until it became a last name. I hope what I heard is true rather than what you heard! Lol.

      • RodK1975

        Haha, yeah… well another interpretation of “ugly head” was “grim helmet” and yes, helmeted head or helmeted chief too. And, dang it…. I can’t hide from another Irish… my cover is blown, so much for anonymity :-))

        • j7hancock

          I’ve let a few things hang out about myself, too, so don’t feel too bad. But about that name, I always thought it just referred to wearing a helmet for war. But I could be totally wrong. But if you’re a warrior, that could be a good name. And since I’ve never seen you, I wouldn’t know if ugly was a good word for you or not. But your personality sure isn’t ugly. Cheers!
          ; )

  • Steve Smith

    My Baba made sure,Orthodox

    • j7hancock

      I also didn’t know that you guys also call your dad Baba. They do in China and Turkey too.

      • Steve Smith

        ба́бушка. baboushka … baba short for Grandma. She who must be obeyed!!!

        • j7hancock

          Ah-h. I see now. I knew baboushka, but I didn’t know it was shortened to Baba. That’s cute. And yes, grandmother’s must be obeyed!
          ; )

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    Just look at all the kids at ORU, converting to Orthodoxy.

    • They try to chase EO away from places like this, and it always backfires.

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