Christian Pastor In England Gets Arrested For Quoting The Bible In Public, He Is Then Forced To Be Tried By An Islamic Sharia Judge Who Fines Him And Threatens To Imprison Him For Forty Five Days

By Theodore Shoebat

If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. (Leviticus 20:13)

A Christian pastor in England, named Michael Overd, was arrested for quoting a passage from the Bible, Leviticus 20:13, in which homosexuality is condemned as an abomination.

He was then arrested for inciting what has been deemed as “threatening” or “abusive” words against homosexuals. He was then forced to be tried by Shamim Qureshi, a Muslim who is also a judge for a Sharia Islamic court in the UK. The Muslim judge fined him $300 and demanded that he pay compensation and costs for the deviant homosexual who claimed that he was emotionally damaged by the pastor’s words, totaling $1,800.

When the pastor refused to pay the $300 to the sodomite, Shamim Qureshi threatened the preacher with a prison sentence of 45 days. There is a whole video on this:

The pastor admitted to referencing Leviticus 20, but said that he never mentioned the death penalty. “I am being punished for words that never passed my lips”, he said. The pastor continued on to say:

I am amazed that the judge sees it as his role to dictate which parts of the Bible can and can’t be preached… I did not quote the full text of Leviticus 20 or make reference to the death penalty, but the judge is telling me that I should use other parts of the Bible. This is not free speech but censorship. The judge is redacting the Bible

Here is a photo of the Muslim heretic who punished and threatened with imprisonment the pastor:

ShamimQureshi

This same Muslim devil worshipper condemned the preacher for his intolerance of false religions:

In my view he enjoys coaxing people into asking him questions so that he can reply loudly into the microphone to answer them. …The only semblance of civilised conversation is when they commend him, if they disagree he shouts them down. …He happily shouts out the negative points in any other religion.

When asked whether or not he would ever “tone down” his words, the preacher said:

I follow my Lord and leader, so I won’t tone down.

With this we arereminded of St. Peter, when he, after the Jews were trying to coerce him to stop preaching Christ, declared:

We must obey God rather than human beings! (Acts 5:29)

According to one report:

Overd was ordered to pay £250 to a passer-by who had been offended by the preacher’s comments, and he initially refused, at which point judge Shamim Qureshi threatened the preacher with a prison sentence. He has been ordered to pay total costs of £1200.

Overd intends to appeal his conviction and said “I follow my Lord and leader, so I won’t tone down.”

The street preacher was charged with a public order offence, after complaints were made by members of the public that he had made homophobic and ‘Islamophobic’ remarks.

This story truly confirms what I have been saying for a while now: the Muslims and the sodomites are uniting to destroy Christianity.

This is why the Scripture tells us to abolish and extirpate demonic religions and practices. The sodomites and the Muslims war against the Cross, and are the enemies of God and Christendom, they are the slaves of the Antichrist, and thus any attempt at promulgating their demonic ideas need to be squashed and punished.

The sodomites are the most vile of reprobates, they are not worthy of any freedom, for they reject the true liberty of Christ, that liberty of which David spoke when he wrote: “And I will walk at liberty, For I seek Your precepts.” (Psalm 119:45)

This is true liberty, the one that remains within the Law of God, and from the tyranny of the absolute toleration and license given to evil. St. Paul says that “where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.” (1 Corinthians 3:17)

And wherever the Lord is there is not lawlessness, but law, and therefore liberty. For this reason law should never be cast away, and secular government allowed to triumph, for even St. Paul upheld the Law of God when he said, “Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.” (Romans 3:31)

For this do we say that such slaves to the devil do not deserve freedom, because they hate freedom. They indulge in the most vile practices, and desire nothing but tyranny for the Church. This is why we still need law, to restrain the masses from unrestrained license, and from deviant excess and disordered passions. As St. Paul says:

the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God which was committed to my trust. (1 Timothy 1:9-11)

The entire homosexual agenda, and the Islamic agenda, must be destroyed and utterly uprooted. The sodomites and the Muslims are enemies to civilization. And they should be treated as such! We must have a government of Christian supremacy, where the blood of saints is honored, and the cries of the martyrs are heard, not ignored.

To hell with all of this nonsense about secularism. All of these hypocrites, with their vain and empty talk of “free speech!” I say, to hell with free speech. There should only be one speech allowed, and that is the freedom to proclaim the truth against the falsehood, and to articulate the wonders of life and the natural order.

The enemies of the Faith are the enemies of humanity. God created humankind, and whoever hates God, hates humanity. “All those who hate me love death.” (Proverbs 8:36) This is why the wicked and diabolical beliefs of atheism and Darwinism need to be utterly wiped out and abolished as dangerous to the society and the body politic.

This pastor was arrested for saying Leviticus 20:13: “If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.”

Let us say this verse with pride, let us boast of this verse and its beauty, and its brilliance. Let us repeat the words of this verse at the utmost. It is a building block for the foundation of Christendom, the Rock of which is Christ.

By the prayers of our saints, and the temples of the great cries of the martyrs, and by the prayers of the holy land do we still praise both the visible and invisible wounds of the martyrs, and by their holy words, do we hear and feel God’s breath.

With such sacred beauty, let us honor what the prophets wrote against these demonic deviants, and let us pray that one day a Christian leader will arise and destroy these sodomites who are truly “deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.” (Romans 1:32)

There is a lawyer in California, Matthew Gregory McLaughlin, an Orange County attorney, who is proposing a law called the Sodomite Suppression Act . It will make the propagation and distribution of gay “propaganda” an offense punishable by a $1 million fine or banishment from the state. Moreover, the bill orders that anyone who engages in homosexual practices will be put to death “by bullets to the head or by any other convenient method.”

The deviants are already trying to bar the bill, but the reality is that we need laws like this to protect the society from such satanic wickedness and perversity.

Outlaw the sodomite before the sodomite outlaws you.

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  • Trevor

    I would like to add a suggestion – have every pastors, whether they are Catholic or Protestants, be stripped of their pastoral duties the moment they speak in favor of homosexuality.

    These are the men (and women) who Jude warned us, “For certain men have
    crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation,
    ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the
    only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ,” and “These are grumblers, complainers, walking
    according to their own lusts; and they mouth great swelling words,
    flattering people to gain advantage. But you, beloved, remember the words which were spoken before by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ: how they told you that there would be mockers in the last time who would walk according to their own ungodly lusts. These are sensual persons, who cause divisions, not having the Spirit.”

    Jude is spot on. Not only will Christ return to defend Israel from her enemies who seek to destroy her to gain the Promised Land, but Christ will return with His saints to wage war against apostate preachers who have deceived many Christians while being deceived themselves.

    Jude says, “Now Enoch, the seventh
    from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord
    comes with ten thousands of His saints, to
    execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of
    all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and
    of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.””

    • Woody

      The Catholic Church is clear and consistent from the beginning–marriage is for a man and a woman only; I don’t know what gays are clamoring about since “sexual behavior between a man and a woman outside of marriage is also forbidden” so the sin is equal not only slanted toward gays. Marriage is a definition over 6000 years old; it is like today saying “henceforth a cat will be known as a dog, and a dog shall be known as a cat.” Everyone would say “this is stupid.”

      • Trevor

        If only people would use that kind of logic today, but as Paul said, men would wax cold as sins abounds.

      • Beedeekay

        Woody, take a chill pill and have a nice lie down’

  • richinnameonly

    Look at where the once great and powerful England is today. Quote the bible and get arrested, then be judged by a Muslim, adding insult to injury. Barring a miracle, that country is in the toilet until “the end”.

    • Sister E

      That is exactly what I said in my comment above even before I read yours here: England used to be called “GREAT BRITAIN”. Unfortunately, its not great anymore because now Britain is bowing to Islam. The next step for Britain is to raise a white flag of surrender to Islam, get rid of its Union Jack and replace it with a crescent Islamic flag. Some might say that’s far fetched. But according to the trend that Britain is going, it seems to me that will be their next step. Its pathetic and devastating!

  • susan

    Another article declaring G-d ‘s truth. Thank you Ted.

    I was wondering how many churches are now allowing and promoting the sodomite agenda. A simpler question would probably be..How many are not?

    Perhaps it’s time for our shepherds to preach the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. At least the sheep will have been warned and their blood will not be upon the shepherds but upon the sheep who refuse to obey.

    • Sister E

      The Presbyterians are. They allow same sex-marriage. I don’ call it a Church. What an abomination!

      • Julie LaBrecque

        I heard that on the news … very sad.

      • susan

        Don’t these pastors/priests know that God will hold them accountable?!?##

  • Sister E

    I’m shocked. Totally shocked. This is suppression of CHristianity in the U.K. Britain might as well raise a white flag of surrender to to Islam. It seems to me that will be their next step. Bow down and stop and humble themselves for Islam. Giving an Islamic judge to judge a Christian who had done nothing wrong but quote the Bible.
    Britain used to be strong. “Great Britain” was its second name. It was a powerful Kingdom. The British Monarchy does not seem to be helping and defending Christians. What’s the use of having a Monarchy there?
    the British Prime Minister, Cameron is the same; he is so indfferent towards Christianity; he tend to be on the side of Islam. There are several entities that are against Christianity and are doing their utmost best to see it destroyed and vanished on the face of the earth: two of those entities as Ted has been voicing out over and over are:
    Islam and the homosexual agenda.
    They are being aided and abetted by the atheists, secularists, progressist leftist liberals.
    The question is why is an Islamic Shariah judge defending homosexuals? So we give credit to Ted; Ted is correct. This is exactly what we has been telling us over and over.
    Shocking? Yes, but that’s the fact.

  • Sister E

    We do not hear of the term: THE CHURCH MILITANT anymore. We need to uphold and cherish our Christian values, and CHRISTIAN SUPREMACY in order to blot out the evil in our world. Enough is enough!

  • Sister E

    Be careful though not to have a wrong interpretation of the Bible. Wrong interpretations of scripture can be very misleading.

  • Sister E

    Yes the judge is a hypocrit. The hypocrits are the ones who sacrifice the TRUTH at the altar of political correctness; the hypocrits are those who sacrifice the TRUTH at the altar of islomophobia. Jesus said “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except by me.” (John 14:6).
    Sodomy is a sin. Sodomy is wrong and will never be right. Nothing can make sodomy it right. There is nothing that can be said or done to make sodomy right. (Leviticus 20:13).

    • Julie LaBrecque

      He was calling the judge a hypocrite, not the pastor.

      • Sister E

        Yes, I realized that afterwards, and I corrected it. Please see above the new version of my comment. I’ve changed it from pastor to JUDGE. THANK YOU for bringing this to my attention.

  • Sister E

    AMEN Brother!!!

  • Sister E

    The author NEVER said it was in a religious muslim court where the trial took place.

    • Fhr68

      dont you just wish people would read things properly, they are so intune to ther personal opinion matters disease that they misread facts and replace it with fictional content.

  • Sister E

    This muslim judge judged in favor of homosexuality and that was not a just judgment. England want to give a false impression to the world that Islam is a religion of peace, that it is tolerant even to homosexuals. But the result here is that the Christian pastor was charged with threatening and abusive words against homosexuals. This whole thing is a conspiracy for silencing Christians not only when they preach pointing out the evils of homosexuality but also for exposing the evils of false religions. It is a propaganda to cover up and protect Islam, so that it will continue to prevail and eventually dominate the West.

  • Sister E

    Beautiful celtic music. I enjoyed it.

  • Sister E

    I oppose the death penalty. But we should remember that the choices we make this earthly life, does have eternal consequences. We need to conform our choices to the will of God in order to find true freedom and to live in holiness. Jesus said “Be ye holy because I am holy.

    • unmovable

      The Bible says thou shalt not Murder not kill, if this was the case then why do we bring justice and kill those who murder innocent people and won’t stop until there stopped. God killed many many people at the hands of others is God wrong or did God simply bring justice?

  • Sister E

    That is very true.

  • Sister E

    What if an ambulance carrying a critically ill person has to divert many many times to avoid the streets packed with muslims on Friday prayers? That will make the journey to the hospital very slow. Emergency cases a time sensitive. The quicker the ambulance make it to the hospital, the better.

  • Kamau41

    We can see that the conditions here in the United States is not that much better than England. We just havn’t yet seen the evil full manifestations of the wicked homosexual agenda.

  • Sister E

    Thank you!

  • Sister E

    I can’t agree more. You’re right.

  • Sister E

    Thank you! I have commended Ted Shoebat for being a sharp and brilliant person – just like his dad Walid. .

  • Sister E

    You’re right. Its in the Bible.

  • royal

    Coming to this Country near you…….when the rightwing media ,Bill O’Reilly puts a Muslim playing Jesus, and all are applauding. And the Muslim tells all how much the Islamic Religion loves Jesus. Give me a brake This is a setup,

  • Trevor

    The reason Jesus pardoned the woman was because she turned away from her evil ways.

    It’s my belief Jesus released her based on a technicality. The Pharisees forgot one important component of the law they quoted to have the woman stoned to death based on their testimony of catching her in the act of adultery. They forgot that the law said that both the man and the woman who committed the act of adultery were to be put to death.

    However, Jesus did not let her completely off the hook because He told her to “go and sin no more,” which meant He completely acknowledged the fact she was, indeed, an adulteress.

    When I researched the concept of dismissing a case on a technicality, I have discovered that attorneys loathe it. It usually mean that the state, prosecuting the law breaker, failed to keep the integrity of the law. That is what I see in the story of John 8.

    • Julie LaBrecque

      Didn’t they have to have witnesses? Chances are, one or more of the men that accused her had ‘bed down’ with her.

      • Trevor

        Yep. And they quote the law partially. So Jesus called them on it by writing on the dirt, which I suspect is the words of the law.

        • Julie LaBrecque

          One of the Orthodox provided the words that Jesus wrote in the dirt. I can’t find the file that I saved it in, could be on my office computer. I think Steve is the one that sent it to me.

          • Trevor

            I’d like to read it.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Meshulam – has stolen from the Temple.
            Asher – has committed adultery with his brother’s wife.
            Shalum – has committed perjury.
            Eled – has beat his father.
            Amarich – has committed sodomy.
            Joel – has worshipped idols.
            (Found the notebook I wrote in before putting in computer.)

          • susan

            🙂

          • susan

            I wrote it down too…somewhere. Each man’s name along with the sin/law broken.

  • Trevor

    The Beast of the Sea you are referring to is the revived Ottoman Empire. The Harlot of Babylon is Saudi Arabia. Enough with this nonsense about the Roman Catholic Church, please. I am a Protestant and I am sick to death in reading posters’ bashing the RCC without doing research on their doctrine.

    At least give credit to the pope for trying to bridge a dialogue with the Muslims in hope of winning their souls to Christ. Did he worded some thing poorly? Probably.

    The fact is: Muslims are right when they say they are descendant of Abraham, because Abraham had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac, and only Isaac is the promised child, a foreshadow of Christ. In addition, lest we forget, Isaac had twin sons who competed against one another. Esau made the regretful choice in selling his birthright over a lousy bowl of stew (my paraphrase), and marrying two Caananite women, bringing much grief to his father. So, to try to win his father’s favor, he went to his uncle, Ishmael, and married one of his daughters. So, between Ishmael and Esau, we have two grown men harboring resentment, and we see this resentment played out daily between the Arabs and Jews today.

    Europe have become largely atheistic because of the overthrow of Christianity on the continent and have become rapidly invaded with Islam. At one point in history, Christianity was a dominant religion in Europe until the Renaissance came. Europeans have forgotten their history and now they are paying the price for “tolerance.”

  • Fhr68

    muslims practice sodomy on young boys, it is sanctioned in islam to sodomise young children boys before they hit puberty. only when they come into puberty is it then deemed sinful. Mohammed himself was such a man, he wore womens clothing as well and wore make up. his revelations were as he claimed, best while he was dressed in womens clothing espically when he wore Aleshia’s ( I think thats her name but I may have it spelled wrong) her clothing.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Good job, Trevor – it’s impossible to rationalize with an irrational mind.

    • Trevor

      I am sorry that you have to put up with the crap coming from uneducated Protestants.

  • susan

    What a brave follower of Jesus Christ. Now there’s a TRUE Paul! Thank you Ted. 🙂

  • susan

    You can always turn down the volume. 🙂 When a child is running onto a street with heavy traffic does the parent whisper or shout to get their attention? You see, he got your attention.

  • susan

    I’m disappointed. I’d hoped you’d get it by now. Perhaps you can explain the tenants of your faith. We can start with the apostolic succession. Thank you.

  • Trevor

    Ok. Where is Rome listed to be destroyed?

    • Betty

      Trevor, I think edwitness is thinking about my reference below to Daniel 11:37,38 & 39. ….. ” He shall regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women…”

      • Trevor

        I don’t care what “edwitness ” says. He has said or prove anything what he has said. He is a lost cause.

        • Betty

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  • Fhr68

    ” given by whatever God you believe in, inalienable freedom to believe and practice.” Rom 1: 20-23
    makes sense doesn’t it.

  • Trevor

    Mecca sits on the seven hill too! So does Istanbul, Turkey. Jerusalem, Israel. They sit on seven hills as well.

    Furthermore, Mecca, Saudi Arabia is the home to the most disgusting site in all of Islam, where Muslims are required to make pilgrimmage to visit the site. They are told that if they walk around seven times and touch the black stone housed there, their sins would be forgiven.

    Here’s a picture of such place:

    https://mysteryoftheinquity.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/mecca14.jpg

    http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/113/9/2/hajar_al_aswad__the_black_stone_from_paradise__by_ahmedsadoon-d4xa5aq.jpg

    https://ivarfjeld.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/610x-1.jpg

    http://www.themuslimtimes.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Makkah-haram.jpg

    Do you notice how Mecca is surrounded by desert? Bam.

    Here’s the Vatican in the middle of Rome.

    http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/032/cache/vatican-aerial-view_3239_600x450.jpg

    Boy, the Vatican is hardly in the desert, which disqualifies it from being in the desert as John saw in the vision. Bam.

    The fact is, Muslims worships the Black Stone, treating it as a woman. And did you noticed how the housing of the black stone looks like a vagina? No wonder John was astonished to see people worshiping it like a woman, and the angel wondered why John was astonished.

    I ask you to prove to me where Rome is specifically listed in the Scriptures to be destroyed, and you will fail to do so. You will just repeat that same arguments you have made about Revelation 17.

    The fact that the woman riding the scarlet beast is dressed in luxury describes the Saudi royal family who lives in extreme luxury, pissing off many, many Muslims. It is a fact that Muslims have complained for years that the Saudi royal family lives in luxury and their constant expansion of Mecca, adding luxury hotels for travelers has upset many Muslims. It is no wonder why she boasted that she knows no sorrow.

    Rome, on the other hand, have been the site of many invasions and have been sacked by the Turks once before they were successfully repealed.

    Paul, the beloved apostle, said:

    “To all who are in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints,” Romans 1:7. How can Paul say that the saints in the city of Rome are called to be saints when Rome was actively living pagan? Nero was a madman who blamed Christians for starting the fire that burned a lot of Rome, when it was he who started it. He needed a scapegoat and Christians just happened to be perfect for it. Many saints, including early church fathers, Peter and Paul were martyred in Rome. Their blood watered the seed of the Word of God which help win Rome to Christ. That’s why they were Christianized many years later.

    You forget that Rome was divided in two empires, Rome and Istanbul, and it was Istanbul that was conquered by the Turks, and they set their sight on Rome to destroy it. They came very close, and were repealed. Since then, they have been obsessed with the idea of destroying Rome.

    Yet, God already declared that all of Saudi Arabia would be destroyed by Elam (Persia, which is Iran today) from Isaiah 21.

    GET. A. GRIP.

    AND ONCE MORE, I AM DONE WITH YOU.

  • Woody

    Just saw this–what nonsense; just more prejudice not based on history.

  • Fhr68

    Pope never changed the bible. but the supposed gay christians are.

  • Woody

    The only Biblical contributions by a Pope are Peter 1 and Peter 2 but they are not changes as they are original–the first written with his “greetings from Babylon” (the Romans were looking for all Christians to put them to death, especially Peter the leader; thus the Christian code word for “Rome” being Babylon – to keep the Romans from knowing where he was [right under their noses, the dummies]

  • Fhr68

    So if you have a better understanding of the bible then you understand what God thinks of your kind.

  • Fhr68

    There’s a great chastisement coming , I’m afraid you don’t understand God very well at all.

  • Woody

    Good summary

    • Fhr68

      Thank you Woody, the truth is all I can say. thank God for the truth.

  • Fhr68

    Holy smokes, you mean an apostolate Christian.

  • Betty

    edwitness, I have read your comments pointing to the Catholic Church. I had always heard that, but these verses cannot be ignored.

    Above you wrote, “..a religion that has practiced Christianity at one time but, has since joined herself with many others in its practices.”

    Please read Daniel 11:37. NKJV, The antichrist.

    V. 37 “He shall regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall exalt himself above them all.” NKJV.

    From the time of Christ, unbelieving people rejected the Trinity & Christ’s Godhood. Arianism. Christian leaders exiled them to the deserts where they continued in their unbelief and it continued to the time of Mohammed, who preached it fiercely conqueoring all he met, until he was stopped at the gates of Vienna by the Catholic Crusaders, thank God. Arianism continues as the Unitarian churches.

    Mohammed detested the Trinity, that God is 3- in- 1, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
    My example, as an egg has a shell, a yolk and a white, it is a 3- in- 1— helped me understand the mystery of the Trinity.

    I believe that Daniel 11:37, 38, 39 has a lot to say to us ~

    “He shall regard neither the God of his fathers..” to me means the people that preceded the Muslims knew the God of their fathers, God the Father, God the Son,Jesus Christ and God the Holy Spirit.

    v. 38 “But in their place he shall honor a god of fortresses; (Allah) and a god his fathers did not know (Allah) he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and pleasant things.”

    V. 39 “Thus he shall act against the strongest fortresses with a foreign god (Allah’s jihad) which he shall acknowledge and advance its glory, and he shall cause them to rule over many, and divide the land for gain.” The Middle East is being carved up right now. Iran announced they are moving their capital to iraq and are taking it over. Erdogan of Turkey has just announced himself as a “god.”

    Have you ever considered this set of verses before? I hadn’t either, until I found this website shoebat.com and on Youtube explaining it in a church setting and I think he’s right, understanding things as he does from the Middle East viewpoint.

    The Catholic Church is a Trinitarian church.
    The antichrist despises the Trinity.

    You’re familiar with 1John 2:22 NKJV ~
    “Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.”

    It’s pretty plain to me. Thanks.BTW, are you a Baptist?

  • Betty

    Islam will try to rule if they can, dontcha think? They said that’s their goal since the 700’s A.D. “God’s War on Terror” by Walid is a good investment, would let you see your favorite verses in Revelation from an expert’s ME viewpoint to compare, asking the Holy Spirit to show you the Truth. Blessings. I would be interested in knowing what you find out.

  • Woody

    See Paul’s letters to the Corinthians to this group of Christians who were unhappy which will always be the case here (nothing new) Luther tore out 7 valid books of the NT and some OT because they did not agree with his heretical beliefs–to find out what the Christians at the time believed go and read the early Church Fathers some who were in the Apostolic Age and knew St John (Clement is an excellent example)…doubt if “all older versions of the bible were burnt as most were in monasteries and preserved by the monks. It’s not the Latin that one has to be concerned with–it is the Greek since the first OT was written in Greek and Jesus often quoted from this bible since He was fluent in Greek (the Septuagint); Of course, Luther overruled Jesus when he took out Maccabees (Tobit) and what do you know “there went Purgatory for protestants,” and that is why Paul and Jesus warned of “imposter’s” overtaking Church doctrine; also, the reason the 3rd Bishop of Antioch, St Ignatius of Antioch, on his way to be eaten by lions at Rome renamed the Church of Jesus from “the People of the Way” to the “Catholic” Church (Universal Church of Jesus Christ-Greek word) which has kept the name ever since 107 A.D. Christian schools teach all kinds of error and always will so beware…thus go to the Church Fathers for the truth, and “it will set you free” – now guess who said that?

  • Woody

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    ————–

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    Founder
    Year
    Country
    Nr: Members

    Judaism
    Moses
    B.C.
    Israel
    10.7 MILLION

    Catholic Church
    Founder?????
    28 A.D.
    Judea
    1.2 BILLION

    Lutheranism
    Martin Luther
    1517 A.D.
    Germany
    75 MILLION

    Swiss Reformed Church
    Zwingli
    1523 A.D.
    Switzerland
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    Mennonites
    Several Founders
    1525 A.D.
    Switzerland
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    Anglican Communion
    King Henry 8 I AM I AM
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    England
    85 MILLION

    Calvinism
    John Calvin
    1536 A.D.
    Switzerland
    80 MILLION

    Presbyterianism
    John Knox
    1560 A.D.
    Scotland
    40 MILLION

    Baptist Churches
    John Smyth
    1605 A.D.
    Holland
    100 MILLION

    Dutch Reformed
    Michaelis Jones
    1628 A.D.
    Netherlands
    2 MILLION

    Methodism
    John Wesley (Charles wrote many hymns)
    1739 A.D.
    England
    75 MILLION

    TOTAL ALL PROTESTANTISM
    600-800 MILLION

    Amish
    Jakob Ammann
    1693 A.D.
    Switzerland
    0.25 MILLION

    Quakers
    George Fox
    1647 A.D.
    England
    0.4 MILLION

    Moravians
    Count Zinendorf
    1727 A.D.
    Germany

    Congregationlists
    Robert Browne
    1592 A.D.
    England

    Swedenborg
    Emanuel Swedenborg
    1747 A.D.
    Sweden

    Brethren
    John Darby (Whoa-look who is here the guy who made up Rapture
    1828 A.D.
    England

    Latter-day Saints
    Joseph Smith
    1830 A.D.
    NY, USA
    15.2 MILLION

    Seventh Day Adventists
    Ellen White
    1860 A.D.
    NH, USA

    Salvation Army
    William Booth
    1865 A.D.
    England

    Jehovah’s Witnesses
    Charles Russell
    1870 A.D.
    PA, USA
    7.65 MILLION

    Christian Science
    Mary Baker Eddy
    1879 A.D.
    Pleasant View, NH USA

    Pentecostalism
    Charles Parham
    1900 A.D.
    CA, USA

    Worldwide Church of God
    Herbert W. Armstrong
    1933/1947 A.D.
    OR, USA 3

    Unification Church
    Sun Myung Moon
    1954 A.D.
    South Korea

    How come no one else can solve the “mystery?” — Why
    — the Largest Christian Church in the World by far with 1.2 Billion members (the Catholic Church); APPARENTLY NO FOUNDER OF THIS CHURCH CAN BE FOUND? HOW SILLY!

    ALL CHURCHES HAVE A FOUNDER – WHY NOT THIS ONE? IT DOES, AND WHO IS HE?

  • Woody

    NEW STATS OUT–How about 45,000 errors of the bible which equals 45,000 man-made churches and still leaves the Church Jesus founded in the bible.

  • Beedeekay

    I don’t think I like the God you speak of. The God I know and love is a good, kind man, loving and forgiving, not a cruel, angry vengeful God.

    • Fhr68

      talking about the ever living God I AM. The Holy Trinity. The God who made His Own rules for man to live by. For example
      Romans 1:18 – For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

      John 3:36 – He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

      Romans 12:17-21 – Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. (Read More…)

      Isaiah 26:21 – For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

      Revelation 20:15 – And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

      Revelation 19:11-21 – And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. (Read More…)
      Ez 25:17
      Natum 1: 2-6
      Romans 6:23
      2peter 2:9
      Matt 10:28
      Psalms 75:8
      Matt 7:13-14
      Psalm 7:11
      Heb 9:22
      Lk 12:5
      John 15:6

      Perhaps Almighty Gods anger is not to your liking?

  • Fhr68

    Liberalism is an infection that has a your head in the fog. If I’m rabid for speaking the truth. You are liberal for denying it.

  • Fhr68

    The bible did. Send them out so that we may know them. Troll of the world.

  • Fhr68

    I’m not trying to I instill fear in you at all, you claim that God has no anger in Him, when In fact He does. You only want a loving God, and that He is, but you deny everything else, there are conditions and terms He established, so as to protect the flock from falling Into error, and stern warnings to avoid this. You go about judging me and putting me down, think Jesus will award you for it? That is if you even believe in him.

  • Woody

    Then how do you explain the beautiful Miracles Jesus gives his Church, and as the medical community has proven, “these are impossible” but they exist — they exist because God allows them:
    1. St Vicent De Paul died 1660
    2. St Anthony’s (the great preacher) tongue and jaw
    died 1231
    3. St Catherine (sitting up) died 1463
    4. St. Silvan – died 309, wow and looks better than you–alive

  • Fhr68

    I’m a bad Christian is not judging ? Have I called you a bad Christian ? Or a member of a cult? Or that your are a fanatic? Here’s a good one bible thumper.
    Jesus came for the sick sinner, but the sinner has to be repentant.
    The Lord said my people will perish from lack of knowledge. St Paul said ” we must work out our salvation with great fear and trembling.”
    you don’t have any regard for the bible or the past 2000 years of history and teachings so I have no idea of where your credibility comes from.

    Here’s something for Heaven:
    The Lord is greatly offended, and he wishes to establish in the world the devotion of His Blessed Mothers Immaculate Heart.
    In other words out of his love and mercy, he is giving man a chance to turn things around. For example the movement on abortion since 1984 – 1 billion 600 million babies have been aborted in western nations alone within just over three decades. Do you honestly believe that Jesus is happy with this! Or euthanasia which is on the rise at an increasing rate. All mercy killing so as to relieve the burden of those involved.

    Take your message of Jesus to those Drs who promote these dire practices and see how well you will succeed. They will quickly tell you that it’s the sweet love and mercy of your version of Jesus who allows this or disregard your Christian brand as complete nonsense. Why ? because there is no fear of God that is why.
    Good luck to you on your Christian journey.

  • Fhr68

    Make me stop saying it progressive Christian !

  • Fhr68

    You sound so liberal, gonna dictate to me now on what type of God I’m suppose to talk about, it’s this very reason why the west is in the mess it is. There is only one God, and he is all of these things. God Is not a selection of different personalities you can pick and choose from. If you want a love God void of all other emotions then there are ancient pantheons of flavoured Gods to choose from, but God the Almighty is not any of those.

  • Fhr68

    Your the one who said: I should not be talking about that type of God! Your words not mine my dear. But according to you the bible should be ignored. Only the good n nice parts are ok and acceptable.

  • the day is nigh

    I’m offended by them, can I get some compensation? Someone who says there gay are basically saying I hate your God and I will destroy my own nature which God created for my self pleasure, in rebellion against God, this is very offensive to me.