The Media, the Church, Democrats and Republicans have sold out to the Devil

By Keith Davies

The United States institutions of the Republic have failed. We currently have no leaders, left or right, that represent the interests of We the People. Dishonor, lies and corruption are the models of “moderation” and the truth has become “extreme”.

Clinton and Obama: Not held accountable due to fear of others.

Clinton and Obama: Not held accountable due to fear of others.

The Conservative Talk shows for the most part ruffle the edges of the truth; the largest ones fail to take the truth head-on at all.

We have made our cases on several troubling matters concerning Malik Obama, the Clintons’ connection to the Muslim Brotherhood, Benghazi and others to many people, politicians, and the media on the “right” but very few will stand with us in attacking the issues that corrupt our freedom, endanger our security and destroy our constitutional government.

The churches – both Catholic and Protestant – have abandoned the principles of faith for the sake of political correctness and willingly ignore issues that might be contentious or controversial, despite that Jesus himself was contentious and controversial during his time on earth. Not one church has been willing to support the persecuted church with funds that might actually save anybody, at least not to my knowledge. The leadership in the church today has adopted the very perversions that Jesus was fighting in his day. Bowing to evil is not love, nor is ignoring evil but fighting evil and protecting your brethren is the essence of honoring G-d and is Love. The Church today has become the Pharisees of the modern era and they now mimic the corruption as described in the New Testament.

It is more difficult today to get media or churches to invite Walid to share his views and research than it was ten years ago when he was unknown and we first started our journey to speak the truth about Islamic supremacists and to be a voice for Israel. The one saving grace is the expansion of our Internet presence, in which we have invested heavily in order to reach as many as possible and provide real news and truth when it comes to issues of Islamic terrorism, Middle East politics and issues that concern our national security. Our audience has grown by 1000% year over year, but we need to grow it more and with your help, in using our research on Facebook and Twitter and other social media. We are still a small organization but we have a mighty voice, a powerful message and cutting edge research.

The truth is a narrow path and we need all those willing to follow the path to know and understand the issues that we face. Even tougher times are coming and the persecution of people who speak the truth will become more virulent as well as the persecution of Christians becomes even greater.

We need to brace ourselves for the fight, to stand for the truth and expect disappointment of the people who we formally believed “had our back” as it is now plain to see that the media, the church, Democrats and Republicans have sold out to the devil. This is not something that is surprising to us as it is predicted in the Bible as the End draws near.

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  • Keith, your article is Spot On!

  • richinnameonly

    Keep going forward with your work. The world is turning into a wasteland and we need truth seeking “alternative” sources to help keep our sanity. After learning more about Islam through Walid, Joel Richardson, Robert Spencer and others, the light really became brighter. Current events and Bible prophecy become clear and faith in the word is greatly increased. I feel this is an essential requirement in the “waking up” of people world-wide. Some Christians that have a belief in God are still stuck in replacement theology. Some that see the evils of current government have little faith in God. You guys put it all together. So, keep going!

    • Winston

      I agree and am grateful for all the learning material and coordination with God’s Word. I have recently purchased several books by Walid Shoebat and look forward to reading them very soon. There is a reason why we are finding each other.

  • FlyOnTheScrtm

    Jer. 7:24 “But they did not listen. They refused to pay any attention to me. Instead, they did what their stubborn and evil hearts wanted them to do. They went backward and not forward.

    I appreciate those who persevere because that is what we should do as witnesses but nothing shall stop the present generation, leaders of nations, leaders of the Church, and the people, one and all, from meeting their fate – O! what a terrible time it will be.

  • goldhands

    I agree with you totally. People pleasing has become the norm in public because of fear of incarceration. Today if a person were to publicly rebuke a pastor or priest they would be arrested and the average person is not willing to sacrifice their personal position or material possessions to do so. I say it is the individual person who ‘claims’ to have a relationship with Jesus Christ who is to blame for all of the problems we have today not only in America but worldwide. The god of mammon is god of this world and the majority have bent the knee to him. The spirit of Jezebel is loose on the earth and there are far too many Ahabs in the Church. God help us to deny our flesh, pick up our crosses and follow Jesus to the “Place of the Skull”.

  • yahshua love’s you

    Yep the devil has crept in meany hearts so their now totally sold out and hell bound and there for now we literally have hell on earth and its about to get worst with these fake preachers and evil politicians yahshua ha moshiach help us

  • momprayn

    For what it’s worth, I am hearing in “Christendom” there will be (and already started) a humongous move of God in a spiritual revival (not only here but global), touching a lot of the youth (as well as the older ones). I see a confirmation of this with the recent huge pro-life march in DC – mostly young people. – the tide turning. The disasters must come as well (hopefully waking up enough through fear), but they will respond – including the ministers, leaders in the churches. Of course time will tell – appreciate all your efforts here and God will and is blessing you all. Just stay the course….and God bless all.

  • Moa

    Ted Cruz does represent the Texans.

    He would make an excellent President, IMHO, and would do a great job representing *all* Americans, not just the ones that voted for him (unlike another divisive turkey occupying the throne).

    He would also make an excellent Leader of the Free World.

    Tea Party in 2014! Ted Cruz in 2016!

    • Woody

      Go Tea Party, and my bet is (Cruz is great), but Dr. Ben Carson is more balanced and if you haven’t seen the story of his life, see “Gifted Hands” his story as the greatest children’s brain surgeon in the world, now retired. His mom is the perfect mom.

      • Moa

        Ben Carson is wonderful. Unfortunately you need someone really pig headed to lead the Free World, especially in times of conflict. I fear that Carson may be too conciliatory – because he’s used to working in a collegial environment dealing with rational and well-educated individuals. Cruz knows how to get things done in an adversarial environment, which is the World is today (and is more so after Obama’s abandonment of traditional security arrangements, which has led Iran, Russia and China to fill the vacuum – good job Obama, NOT!).

        • Woody

          a fair post and a reasonable position; I love Cruz but I fear the “erroneous” perception of him might hamper his “electabiily;” I would vote for either candidate, as Hillary is responsible for Obamacare (recall she had Hillary-care first), thus she is BO without member; now as “conciliatory,” I first noted Ben when he stood up at the Prayer Breakfast right next to BO and Lambasted him with a fair record of his non-presidency.
          Wow! I said, this guy has cajonies. God Bless…

  • sumsrent

    Folks… You’re not gonna believe this!

    Jan 26 2014

    BNI Reports:

    VATICAN: Pope Francis inadvertently makes a gesture that symbolizes the Israeli-Palestinian ‘peace’ process

    “Two white doves released by children standing alongside Pope Francis as a peace gesture today were attacked by other birds. As tens of thousands of people watched in St. Peter’s Square, an angry seagull and a large black crow swept down on the doves right after they were set free from an open window of the Apostolic Palace. One dove lost some feathers as it broke free from the gull. But the crow pecked repeatedly at the other dove. It was not clear what happened to the doves as they flew off.”

    >>>There is no doubt in my mind that the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob… the Father of our Lord and Savior sent His own message regarding this Peace process!

    • Wow! This is bizarre – just like when lightning struck St. Peter’s Basilica at the Vatican not once but twice after Pope Benedict XVI announced his resignation.
      (google Lightning Strikes Vatican) Hmmm…

      • sumsrent

        Ah yes… I had forgotten about that… thanks for reminding us…
        I wish they had some sort of “Pope Watch” website… I’d like to keep track of this pope on his every move…

        • Woody

          yes, why would anyone listen to someone who can barely go two paragraphs without calling on Satan, can barely speak one language, let alone 12, and expects Jesus to let him into Heaven after spending a lifetime insulting His Mother and disagreeing with St. Paul, and is paranoid besides? As the Lord says, “there’s gonna be a lot of surprises at Judgement.”

          • sumsrent

            That’s right…
            You and your muslim brothers are gonna be stunned wondering why exterminating the Infidel Christians wasn’t a good deed.

        • Winston

          Good idea about the “pope watch.”

          • sumsrent

            I keep looking for something… you’d think someone would be doing this.

    • Woody

      All from a guy who has birds in his attic.

      • sumsrent

        Silly you…
        Why would you insult your pope like that?

        • Woody

          As usual you are looking in the wrong attic; I’ll give you a clue they are in your house…hey! how come you have not given satan an audience this time.

  • davidrev17

    “If you are insulted or reviled for the name of Messiah Yeshua, blessed are you for the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. On their part he is blasphemed, but on your part he is glorified. But let none of you suffer as a murderer, a thief, an evildoer, or as a meddler in other people’s matters. Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let them not be ashamed, but let them glorify God in this name. FOR THE TIME HAS COME FOR JUDGMENT TO BEGIN AT THE HOUSE OF GOD; AND IF IT BEGINS WITH US FIRST, WHAT WILL BE THE END OF THOSE WHO DO NOT OBEY THE GOSPEL OF GOD? NOW IF THE RIGHTEOUS ONE IS SCARCELY SAVED, WHERE WILL THE UNGODLY AND THE SINNER APPEAR?” (1 Peter4:14-18)

    We already have our “marching orders,” and according to the innerrant Word of the Living God (see 2 Chr. 7:14), the very presence of so much wickedness and idolatry IN THE SO-CALLED “CHURCH,” especially here in America – which tragically, and actually mirrors so much of what’s happening within Satan’s world-system – is THE reason our Father holds US directly responsible for this pervasively rampant evil!

    We’re each “Called to die!” (See the words of Amy Carmichael, Dietrich Bonhoffer or Richard Wurmbrand, and so many other “giants in the faith,” who clearly had a genuine vision of what wearing the mantle of “Christian” portended for one’s life. We can’t have Satan’s world-system, and that of Messiah Jesus’ simultaneously! “Choose this day whom you’ll serve.”)

    “If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves, and pray and seek my face, AND TURN FROM THEIR WICKED WAYS, THEN WILL I HEAR FROM HEAVEN, AND WILL FORGIVE THEIR SIN AND HEAL THEIR LAND.” (2Chr. 7:14)

    Experiencing genuine heaven-sent revival, is really quite the conditional arrangement…just how badly do we want it, considering the empirical fact that WE NEED REVIVAL SO DESPERATELY? How on earth can we continue to whine & complain about unsaved sinner’s doing what comes naturally, namely sinning, when we so-called righteous ones are living lives barely indistinguishable from that of the unsaved? (Matthew 5:10-16)

    I would encourage everyone who reads this urgent plea to get on the internet, and locate the sermon entitled, “Called to Die,” delivered by the renowned Messianic Jewish scholar, Dr. Michael L. Brown, during a Pastor’s Conference? I believe, in late ’98! (You might try the website called “Holy Desperation.”) Shalom!

    Shalom

    • sumsrent

      We’re all “called to die”???
      Firstly… I’d bet that 2/3rds of the worlds population would just love for all us Infidel Christians to lay down and let the sword cut off our heads…
      Secondly… I kinda like having the hope of being called up in a twinkling of an eye. And… in the mean time sharing the good news…
      Other than that… I’d like the opportunity to spit in the antichrists face…

      • davidrev17

        It is written:

        “Let no corrupt communication [word] proceed out of your mouth, but only what is good for necessary edification [or building up], that it may impart grace to the hearers. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.” (Ephesians 4:29-30)

        During the Lord’s arrest in the Garden of Gethsemane:

        “Then Simon Peter, having a sword, drew it and struck the high priest’s servant, and cut off his right ear. So Jesus said to Peter, put your sword into the sheath. For all who take the sword, will perish [die] by the sword.” (Matt. 26:51-53; Luke 22:49-51; John 18:10-11) Jesus even miraculously healed the ear of Malchus, during such an intensely difficult occasion???

        And before Pontius Pilate, our Lord boldly declared:

        “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now my kingdom is not from here…” (John 18:36)

        Space simply does not permit the incredible abundance of scriptural and/or historical examples [i.e., can you say Foxe’s Book of Martyr’s?] that literally flowed in blood-red reality during the first few centuries of the “church” AD/CE, and well beyond, regarding the example our own Lord typified, and also insisted would become the norm for his followers. (e.g., John 15:18 – 16:4). This unyielding biblical/historical pattern is precisely why I’ve wholeheartedly recoiled from this very recent approach to what my brothers, the Shoebat’s, have been advancin; namely a vigorously physical, and wholly unbiblical type of discipleship pattern called “Christian militancy,” or “militant Christianity”; which is somewhat akin to calling someone a married bachelor??? But that is between them and our Father, for He alone will perfectly evaluate their collective lives someday future at the Judgment [Bema] seat of Christ/Messiah…just like He will do to the rest of us! May we be found faithful before Him!

        “For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, Messiah Yeshua/Jesus, who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to his glorious body, according to the working by which he is able even to subdue all things to Himself.” (Phil. 3:20-21)

        • sumsrent

          That all sounds quite like doublespeak to me…
          First you claim we’re all “called to die”… then act as if defensive measures are inappropriate.
          PS… none of the Scriptures you quoted backs up either of these beliefs!

          • davidrev17

            Friend/brother: If you read my words carefully, I actually have no idea whatsoever as to how you could’ve responded with your post, which is really more indicative of a brother lacking a “teachable spirit,” perhaps just quickly glossing over some words that weren’t in agreement with your present opinions – which are diametrically opposed to what the Word of God teaches. This is between you and the “Spirit of Truth” Himself – and definitely NOT you and me!

            Have a great day, because your heart is the domain of the Holy Spirit alone!

          • sumsrent

            I’m assuming your post above trumps this one.^^^

          • davidrev17

            No, please forgive me if I didn’t make myself clear, but try reading my post, from the beginning, with the example Jesus provides in correcting Peter’s angry knee-jerk, physically violent act of retaliation directed at Malchus. That is the very example Jesus not only taught, but exemplified, by willing laying-down his life as a sacrifice, beacause He was “called to die” himself – just like all of His followers have been “called” to do – if indeed it comes to that.

            We, followers/disciples of the Lord Jesus DO NOT physically fight back, or resort to acting out with the same sort of violence perpetrated against us by our persecutors, enemies, oppressors etc., as a direct result of our openly living out our commitment to the “King of Kings, and Lord of Lords,” whose “Kingdom is not of this world, otherwise his servants would fight…” That example, my brother, is a biblical & historical fact; which is why I’ve been struggling with the Shoebat’s “call” to Christian retaliatory violence (i.e., “Militant Christianity”) against their common-day enemies, or purely wicked oppressors, wherever this may be currently happening on planet earth!

            Rescue? Of course, if at all possible! But to physically & violently fight back against those “enemies of the cross of Christ,” is certainly on the wrong side of what the Lord Jesus taught and exemplified – not to mention what the Word of God teaches as well. The Shoebat’s are dead wrong in this, and are literally counseling rebellion in the hearts of God’s people et al.’s by attempting to enlist the aid of anyone who will assist them in this most recent historically biblical example of “fighting against God!” But only the Holy Spirit can remove those crusty scales – from their seemingly bitter, unforgiving, impenetrable hearts right now. We must pray FOR them, and ALL involved in this! Shalom my brother…and thank you no matter which side you’re on right now.

          • H2o2Bill

            thank you for speaking up. You said some things that needed to be said. I’m joined in prayer with you over these things.

            Php 1:2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

          • davidrev17

            Thank you my brother…I don’t know if you caught the post I also did above to “sumsrent” 10 hours ago? Thanks for the prayer help too, because this situation is far more serious than most appear to realize. The Holy Spirit continued to impress upon me to finally address this aspect of the Shoebat’s well-meaning, but biblically wrongheaded ministry efforts – and to spell-it-out clearly. I just simply don’t understand how they’re not discerning the misguided nature of their approach right now – especially when the Word of God speaks so abundantly clear on this issue – beginning from the very words & example our Lord and Master, Jesus the Messiah. God bless you and yours immensely!

          • sumsrent

            You keep referencing Christ Jesus as the example…

            But… I see Christ Jesus as the Sacrificial Lamb.

            And I don’t see Christians having to follow suit and all be sacrifices. Yes… to die is gain… but I don’t see that as something we should seek as an escape.

            You say… “But to physically & violently fight back against those “enemies of the cross of Christ,” is certainly on the wrong side of what the Lord Jesus taught and exemplified – not to mention what the Word of God teaches as well.”
            But… I’m not convinced the Word of God says otherwise. No one has provided any Scripture that says differently.
            Even Peter’s knee jerk” reaction isn’t credible. Peter was interfering with the will of God and only Christ Jesus knew it at the time.
            Is it a sin to protect your family? Nope…
            And did King David die by the sword? Especially when he lived by the sword for so long? Nope…
            See… I think it’s easy for you armchair Christians to sit comfortably and claim that war is unbiblical… but I’m certain when you’re tied up to watch the rape of your wife & daughter or grand-daughters by satanic worshipping muslims… you’re gonna find some Biblical reason to justify fighting off those sadistic monsters!
            Or… do you believe your wife… daughters and such should just lay down and accept the inevitable?
            Do you believe that it’s the will of God to permit evil and sin to prevail over righteousness? I can’t buy that… even if the will of God is to send our Lord and Savior to put a stop to all this.
            The Jewish misinterpreted Christ Jesus first coming because of why? They looked for the Messiah to come and conquer!
            Are you saying that it wasn’t the will of God to have the Christian Crusades out a stop to the satanic Islamic Jihadist Conquests?
            Why would Christ Jesus tell the Jewish living during the time of the Abomination of Desolation to flee? Shouldn’t they be laying down and letting the satanic worshipping muslims have their way with them? Wouldn’t that be the Christian view you stand fast upon?
            Or… are you saying… the Jewish can flee… but Christians must lay down and take it? I don’t think so…
            In fact… no one has ever given any sort of Biblical reference that says Christians are to submit to evil and it’s death.

          • H2o2Bill

            I see nothing wrong with petitioning governmental authorities to deal with the Islamofacist. But a us VS them battle with swords is not Biblical either. We are not to fight a physical battle until Christ gathers us together upon His return. Ever here of the line of blood in Africa? They say that is what stopped Islam from spreading farther into the South. Martyred Christians. “Father forgive them”

            Eph 6:12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

            What many on here are calling for looks nothing like self defense as matter of fact many on here sound like the enemy they hope to stamp out. I’m not saying that’s you.

            You don’t see the apostles planning something of a military revolt to stop the Christians from being killed. All but one laid down their lives for the sake of the gospel. They tried to kill John but he survived and was hauled of to an Island in an attempt to silence him.

            They say the one man that was being burned alive sang so beautifully that the children gathered around him to sing with him. People get converted from others laying down their lives.

            We here stories of missionaries going into remote villages and getting killed only for more missionaries to replace them and seeing the entire village saved.

          • sumsrent

            Good point Bill… and for the record… I’m not advocating aggression.

            Spreading the Gospel with the sword is certainly unbiblical.

            In fact… I’ve always found this discussion more gut wrenching than Abortion or homosexuality.

            As you reference Ephesians… and the Whole Amour… I’d like to believe that every Christian has the power to rebuke that evil when it appears in the flesh and then walk away unharmed.

            Now that’s faith!

            Because when it gets down to it… the satanic worshipping muslims may be human and of the “flesh”… but they are possessed.

            And… I also can feel for those individuals who live in fear every single minute of their lives… always having death chase them wherever they go. Trembling every night with one eye awake… always wondering what torture they’ll be forced to endure before their throat is sliced from ear to ear…

            A person can only take it for so long before it becomes a matter of kill or be killed.

            I don’t think the average person in the Western Free World can fathom living in a dreadful ongoing state of fear like that.
            Even Christ Jesus praying sweated blood knowing the hour that was coming upon Him.

            In the early days of Christendom… the Apostles always had a place they could flee… even Christ Jesus was able to scoot off to other places…

            But in todays world… the Christians are being persecuted, driven into corners and slaughtered because no escape hatch exists. Denied immigration by a world that revolves around satanism which is more than happy to exterminate Christians… just to keep them from spreading the news of Salvation.

            In Luke 22:36… “Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.”
            Some would argue that the sword is the Word of God and His Spirit… but we know… we can’t literally “buy” those.
            I believe this is evidence that Christ Jesus was telling us that times would become so perilous that we should be prepared.
            Their two swords were enough at that time… but what’s it gonna take nowadays? And what are we supposed to do with them? Hang them above our doors as displays?

          • davidrev17

            First off, the “Christian Crusades” were anything but Christian, let alone what Messiah Yeshua taught, especially the historical fact of those “Christian Crusaders” slaughtering untold numbers of innocent Jewish civilians during three separate episodes, I believe?, whose SOLE crime was being – and don’t miss this either – simply Jewish, or physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. (These were those despicable Jews known as “Christ killers,” guilty of committing “deicide,” in spite of the fact that you can’t kill God in the first place; plus the very SINS of ALL of us, Jew & Gentile alike, put him on that cross, and by so doing, the Romans and Jewish religious leaders simply carried-out the very plan of salvation put in place by “…the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God,” [Acts 2:23], planned “before time again.” [i.e., Rev.13:8].)

            Please remember, that so-called Constantinian “Christianity” was, at its absolute best, a perversion of the clear teaching of the Judeo-Christian Scriptures; which means genuine Biblical Christianity is thoroughly Jewish, whose New Testament roots and/or message grow DEEP within the soil of the Old Testament, or Old Covenant. (e.g., Galatians 3:1-9, and rest of chapter 3.)

            Secondly, if just the limited amount of biblical truth I’ve provided hasn’t penetrated your obviously angry spirit [Spirit], then like I told you earlier brother, only the Holy Spirit can REVEAL His truth to a human heart; because I’ve barely scratched the surface with this stuff. You’re obviously struggling with having the necessary “eyes to see, and ears to hear, what the Spirit has said to the churches,” so long ago.

            So I think it’s best for you and I, as Christian brothers, to “simply agree to disagree” at this point! May the Lord richly bless you and yours, until He adjudicates this very biblically alarming, and disturbing trend that’s already underway. Shalom!

          • sumsrent

            Interesting that you decided to cherry pick out the Christian Crusades…and skipped over several other instances.
            Furthermore… you avoided whether it was God’s will. Even though I don’t expect you to give an account of God’s will… we know what the outcome was.
            A Victory that stopped the satanic Islamic Jihadic Conquests.
            And… I will say again… the “limited amount” of Biblical references you’ve provided do NOT back up your position…. not at all… not even close.
            So maybe you’re the one who needs to discern the spirits and quit with the distorting of Scripture like the satanic influenced Catholic fake Church always does.

          • davidrev17

            Just like I already emphasized: Your considerable lack of spiritual insight and understanding on this very serious matter, is only magnified by your admitting that YOU can’t “see” these things, which is clearly par-for-the-course! You even totally missed the intended meaning of my very first biblical reference to you early this morning (Eph. 4:29-30), in an effort to exhort you to consider a different approach, that I provided because of the so very many unnecessarily disrespectful, and wholly UN-Christian-like posts that I’ve read of yours; in your decidedly difficult attempts to rationally discuss matters with those of whom you’re in disagreement. Also, resorting to name-calling, or crassly slammin’ others, is a surefire dead-giveaway…enough said!

          • sumsrent

            You’re missing the point… “I can’t see how”… you conjure up distortions from Holy Scriptures!

            You keep skirting around providing any proof… and what you have can easily be refuted.

            Your personal interpretation of Scripture needs to be rebuked!

            And then… you make the claim that I’m out of line!?

            Hold on there fella… your the one who can’t back up your claims. Your the one who said… “until He adjudicates this very biblically alarming, and disturbing trend that’s already underway.”

            Until then… we’re supposed to do it your way!? Don’t be so pompous!

            PS… don’t twist this as I’m being obnoxious… you’re the relentless advocate of distorting Scripture… which happens to be the Catholic way of doing things.
            Therefore… if the shoe fits… it’s not a wonder.

          • davidrev17

            Just simply stop with your opinions – which is your usual method while venting those emotional tirades – and present your air-tight, BIBLICALLY HISTORICAL case that soundly refutes the position I’ve already made clear here; namely that physical, violent, retaliatory (i.e., “Militant Christianity”) acts committed by genuine children of God living-out their Christian lives openly, that are leveled against their oppressors, persecutors, enemies etc., is simply nowhere taught in Scripture. You can begin by refuting those passages I provided earlier, especially those spoken by the Lord Jesus, and build your case from there.

          • sumsrent

            Stop my opinions???

            You’re confused… you’re the one who began with the warped sense of doctrine that Christians are “called to die”.
            Which h I still question… How are the Christians supposed to share the Gospel if they’re all dying and giving themselves up to death?

            Then you moved it towards Christian Militancy… as if Christians are supposed to lay down their lives… as if it’s their duty to “die”.

            And yet… you contradict yourself by saying: “… genuine Biblical Christianity is thoroughly Jewish, whose New Testament roots and/or message grow DEEP within the soil of the Old Testament, or Old Covenant.”
            Well… I’m not sure what Old Testament you use… but mine tells the stories of how the Israelites fought against the evils that were coming against them.
            Honestly… I don’t think you’ve given much thought to what you want to say or have said.

          • davidrev17

            I don’t know why you continue to make this very basic New Testament (i.e., “New Covenant”) biblical issue of Christianity = non-aggression, non-violence, non-retaliation etc. so much more difficult than it is. I mean we’ve (Bill as well) have been spoon-feeding entry-level (or “Christianity 101”) biblical principles to you – and you even claim to be a “Christian” – yet the Word of God seems to have no place in your heart. This is why I said earlier that practicing a form of wholly UN-biblical “Militant Christianity” (e.g., through physical, violent acts of retaliation & retribution against one’s enemies/persecutors), is the logical equivalent of calling one’s self a married bachelor.

            And I’d even dare say that what you’re actually expressing – as Jesus said “that out of the abundance of one’s heart, the mouth speaks” – is more a case of you rejecting, due to a serious lack of understanding [please read Isaiah 55:8-11] the very manner in which OUR omnipotent/omniscient/omnipresent, Trinitarian Lord & Creator-God (Yeshua/Jesus) and Ultimate Judge, had determined in His infinite wisdom (“before time began”) – the very “method” in which His New Covenant “Bride,” “church” (or “ekklesia”) would at first begin to function, grow, and ultimately spread throughout this earth, as it indeed has for the last 2,000 years – through and by the OTHER-worldly practice of 100% sacrificial living. This obviously entails the potential loss of ALL THIS-worldly stuff, simply for the SAKE OF OTHERS, if need be, physical life included, especially one’s Christian “enemies of the cross of Christ.”

            “Most assuredly I say unto you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies it produces much fruit. He who loves his life will lose it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life.” (John 22:24-25)

            How about you, is following and obeying the commands of your Savior, more important than anything in THIS LIFE? If you knew in your heart-of-hearts, that the Lord Jesus was literally “calling” you (me, or any so-called Christian for that matter), to “serve Him” in a country that’s presently under the control of Sharia Law – for example, let’s say Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, the Sudan, Ethiopia, or even China – for the eternal salvation of those known only to God alone, would YOU obey His sovereign “call” on your life?

            “The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church.” (Tertullian)

            “When Christ “calls” a man, He bids Him come and die.” (German theologian and pastor, Dietrich Bonhoffer, who was killed for plotting against Hitler.)

            “Repay no one evil for evil. But provide good things in the sight of all men. If it is possible, as much as depends upon you, live peaceably with all men. Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but RATHER GIVE PLACE TO WRATH; FOR IT IS WRITTEN, VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY, SAYS THE LORD. THRREFORE, IF YOUR ENEMY IS HUNGRY, FEED HIM; IF HE IS THIRSTY, GIVE HIM A DRINK; FOR IN SO DOING YOU WILL HEAP COALS OF FIRE UPON HIS GRAD. DO NOT BE OVERCOME BY EVIL, BUT OVERCOME EVIL WITH GOOD.”

            (Romans 12:17-31; the Apostle Paul, or “the Apostle to the Gentiles” [that’s anyone who’s not Jewish], who willingly offered his own head, to not only the maniacally evil Roman emperor Nero, but also to his Lord and Master. [See his final words in 2:Timothy 4] And remember just how ironic these words would be, considering that the “Jewish” rabinnical scholar, “Saul of Tarsus” himself, prior to his Christian conversion, was, with tremendous hatred and personal anger, going to great lengths in an effort to persecute 1st-century “Jewish” followers of that “Jewish” rabbi, Jesus of Nazareth, “even to the point of physical death!” [Quickly read Acts 9:1-9] He, through the personal illumination, and revelation of the “Holy Spirit of Truth Himself,” was finally capable of “seeing” things through God’s glasses, or from His perspective. Are you old enough to remember how M.L. King and his associates, set out to demonstrate these very principles during the 60’s, in an effort to bring about a clearer understanding of what racial equality should look like, among men? Look what happened to so many as an initial result of their passive/non-violent resistance to this extremely evil & wicked form of governmental/societal racial oppression? Yet, look at the difference in America today, even though racial animus will never be conquered, or vanquished, until the human “heart” is literally & miraculously transformed through a genuine encounter with the “gospel” of Jesus Christ, the Messiah! Also, as soon as possible, please include a very careful reading of the entire chapter of Matthew 10.)

            “For though we walk in the flesh, WE DO NOT WAR ACCORDING TO THE FLESH. FOR THE WEAPONS OF OUR WARFARE ARE NOT CARNAL [i.e., fleshly/physical] BUT MIGHTY IN GOD FOR PULLING DOWN STRONGHOLDS, CASTING DOWN ARGUMENTS AND EVERY HIGH THING THAT EXALTS ITSELF AGAINST THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD [just think Islam, atheism, Secular Humanism etc.], BRINGING EVERY THOUGHT INTO CAPTIVITY TO THE OBEDIENCE OF CHRIST.” (2Corinthians 10:3-5; this correlates to the very wise biblical counsel that brother “Bill” was sharing with you regarding the Christian’s walk of service, while utilizing the “spiritual” weapons available by employing the “whole armor of God,” when we’re engaged in obvious SPIRITUAL WARFARE, as opposed to human warfare, clearly distinguished in Ephesians 6:10-20.)

            “And to the messenger of the church in Smyrna write, These things says the First and the Last [the Creator, or exalted Lord Jesus…Isaiah 44:6], who was dead and came to life: I know your works, tribulation, and poverty, but you are rich (just think 21st-century, wholly impoverished persecuted Christians suffering all over this planet!); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and they are not, but are a congregation of Satan. DO NOT FEAR ANY OF THOSE THINGS YOU ARE ABOUT TO SUFFER. INDEED THE DEVIL IS ABOUT TO THROW SOME OF YOU INTO PRISON, THAT YOU MAY BE TESTED, AND YOU WILL HAVE TRIBULATION FOR TEN DAYS. BE FAITHFUL UNTO DEATH, AND I WILL GIVE YOU THE ‘CROWN OF LIFE.’ HE WHO HAS AN EAR, LET HIM HEAR WHAT THE SPIRIT SAYS TO THE CHURCHES. He who OVERCOMES [Hmmm?] SHALL NOT BE HURT BY THE SECOND DEATH.” (Revelation 2:8-11)

            This is a clear-cut, historical example of genuine biblical counsel, that the “Spirit of the Lord” had given to his children, near the close of the 1st-century AD/C.E. Did you notice a “call to arms” there, or perhaps undertaking an exercise in violent, physical, retaliatory acts of violence [i.e., “Militant Christianity”] waged against their tormentors; in an attempt to avoid having to vividly demonstrate the sacrificial example that their OWN Lord Jesus had provided decades earlier, to WE His children – namely, by willingly laying-down one’s life, for the SAKE of the eventual growth of His Kingdom – if the situation ultimately demands such sacrifice? Did you also catch our omniscient Lord’s full-blown knowledge of the fact that Lucifer himself was intimately involved [Rev.2:10] in this utterly nefarious activity against the Lord’s own “purchased possession?”

            “Eight and six years have I served Him, and He has never done me wrong; how can I blaspheme Him, my King, who has saved me? I am a Christian.” (The famous words of Polycarp, before submitting himself to being burned-alive at-the-stake…and he requested that he NOT BE fastened to the stake, before the flames consumed his physical body. Whew! He puts me to absolute shame!)

            Do you think God is just simply impotent, disloyal, disinterested, or much too busy, to bring an end to those sorts of atrocious acts of violence carried-out against His own, for a solid 2,000 years? Be very careful now! Or maybe you’re just struggling with these common-day “arguments against evil,” consistently aired throughout the West by those famous “New Atheist’s” in the area of “Theodicy”; as though Almighty God is some sort of a “Moral Monster,” or that we, His morally-bankrupt fallen creatures, can actually accuse Him of being unrighteousness?????

            I could go on-and-on, because I still haven’t really begun to cover this stuff in appropriate depth; however, it’s a biblical certainty, that if a so-called “Christian” child of God, has chosen to follow the Shoebat’s (or even Walid & Ted themselves) in waging violent/physical/retaliatory acts against their enemies (“Jihad”maybe?) – in what’s been referred to as “Militant Christianity” etc. on this blog – then please take heed to the following:

            In so doing, you’re now practicing biblically UN-Christian acts of religious free-lancing, whereby you’ve left the proverbial “reservation” of the sound counsel of the inerrant, unchanging Word of the Living God. Please…prayerfully consider the error of your ways, while there’s still time to repent from literally “fighting against God!”

            “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches”……

            “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” (Romans 6:23)

          • sumsrent

            You distort Scripture like a Catholic!

            1) John 22:24… doesn’t exist! Maybe you meant John 12 24-25… And that seed is referring to Christ Jesus Himself. and the calling of those to follow Him.

            2) Dietrich Bonhoffer… you mention human writings just like a Catholic too! I prefer the Word of God.

            3) “When Christ “calls” a man, He bids Him come and die.” <<< That means to become a new creature,transformed and not to literally kill yourself!

            4) You give great reverence to Paul… does that make you Orthodox?

            5) You mention Vengeance if the Lord's from Romans 12:19… But you fail to mention the verse before that which says… "If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men."

            This is a Chapter regarding kindness… reminding us of our duty to God, family and brother. Top abhor that which is evil!

            But let me ask… when it says… "if it be possible… as much as lieth in you"… do you think that gives way to war?

            See… you can't live peacefully with satanic worshipping muslims who want to terrorize, enslave, rape, maim. mutilate, bomb and kill you!

            6) You mention race… what??? Do you not know that in the end times nation will rise up against nation and kingdom against kingdom?

            7) You reference II Corinthians 10 again… what you fail to understand is that… Paul was up against jealous individuals that were envious and determined to undermine him and ruin his reputation. They weren't coming against him with swords but spewing rumors. And some amongst Paul felt they should be punished the old fashion way.

            Force is not the answer to spreading the Gospel… but these spiritual weapons of warfare are used to secure the doctrines of the gospel and restore order. Reminding us that it's not the flesh but what's inside.

            And let me add… they were dealing with dissention in the Church… other brothers. Therefore… you can't take this to mean we can't defend our civil liberties or to "lay our lives down"!

            8) Revelation 2:10… The Christian life is a warfare against sin, satanism, the world, and our own flesh. We must never yield to our spiritual enemies. IMO… this is reference to Laws that will allow the persecution, trial and execution of Christians. And we're reminded to be faithful unto death. This isn't about satanic worshipping muslims busting down our front doors to rape our women.
            9) You mention Polycarp… who had a dream and requested that he be burned at the stake. My question is… why didn't he stand up… rebuke his oppressors in Christ Jesus' name and walk away unscathed? Or cause his chains to fall off and walk through opened doors?
            C'mon now… let's look at from your view of II Corinthians!
            10) Which brings us to your next comment… Is God too busy?
            Actually… I've posed that same question to the Catholics who pray to saints? Are you one of them?
            11) Now you spew your own opinion… which is where all this began!
            See… Nothing you've stated here clearly shows that "we are called to die"! NOTHING !!!

          • davidrev17

            You may want to read it again, since I wrote this in hurried fashion this AM, and it’s now been edited-to-a-tee, so the minor typo (John 12, instead of 22 is corrected), plus some additions. Aside from that my friend, as it’s actually very hard to believe that you’re my “brother in Christ” (i.e., “How can two walk together unless they are agreed?…” Amos 3:3).

            I’m through with it, because the text in 1 Corinthians 2:6-16, consistently comes to mind in dealing with you. Please, humbly & prayerfully read that passage! I just believe you need the type of “new glasses,” that only the Holy Spirit can provide.

            “One man plants, and another waters, but only God gives the increase.” (1 Corinthians 3:5-8)

          • sumsrent

            Like I told you before… maybe you should go define what a Christian is. To me… the Apostle’s Creed is a good example… minus the Catholic Church inserts…

            Get this… I may come against the Catholic Church… but I also defend them… and more importantly… I’ll stand with a Christian any day!

            For instance… Woody here… I believe he is a Christian, but I don’t agree with his interpretations of Scripture. Which does not determine his Salvation or cause him to loose his Salvation.
            Although he believes it does… go figure…

            You said yourself: “… genuine Biblical Christianity is thoroughly Jewish, whose New Testament roots and/or message grow DEEP within the soil of the Old Testament, or Old Covenant.”
            I agree with that statement… I also believe you ARE a Christian.
            To me… that agreement is first and foremost.

  • Annette Ryder

    …and God is still separating His people, His Bride. Thank you, Keith, for laying out the truth as it is today. I ha a dream last nite about the Rapture. I think we can look up and fear not, He’s coming to get us!

    • Woody

      Gee, what if you are in a cab at that time…Whoaaaaaaa!

      • sumsrent

        Only a satanic influenced Catholic fake Church member would say such a thing!
        How dare you think the True God of all Creation… [and not your satanic Islamic god]… how dare you think He can’t do something!

        You’re so Islamic influenced… you believe the same thing… no wonder you serve the same god.

      • billobillo54

        You err, not knowing the scriptures or the power of God:

        1 Corinthians 15:50-53: Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does [p]the perishable inherit [q]the imperishable. 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised [r]imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For this [s]perishable must put on [t]the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality.

        Also: 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18: “13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep [k]in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive [l]and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a [m]shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive [n]and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.”

        And Psalm 50:1-6: “The Mighty One, God, the Lord, has spoken,
        And summoned the earth from the rising of the sun to its setting.
        2 Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty,
        God has shone forth.
        3 May our God come and not keep silence;
        Fire devours before Him,
        And it is very tempestuous around Him.
        4 He summons the heavens above,
        And the earth, to judge His people:
        5 “Gather My godly ones to Me,
        Those who have made a covenant with Me by sacrifice.”
        6 And the heavens declare His righteousness,
        For God Himself is judge.”
        You better start studying the Bible instead of just cherry picking a few scriptures to support you errors. Are you born again? Do you believe that the death of Christ ALONE is enough to remit your sins? If you do not believe that then Paul is talking to you in Galatians!!!!!!

        • Woody

          Hey, your name looks familiar. Aren’t you the bloke that asked me not to re-post you anymore because you are so afraid of the truth? Ah, yes, the ostrich technique if I keep my head in the sand I will not see anything that bother my conscience instead of “Know the truth and the truth will set you free!” Like Scott Hahn did when he kept an open mind and read the works of the early Church Fathers and said, “My goodness this is nothing like we Protestants believe,” And so he returned to the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church (the 4 Marks of the true Church) of Jesus Christ.
          Bless you, that you may one day find the truth

      • Woody

        I had a second thought–“is the cab driver going with you? Or first?” Kind of important so you don’t get in an accident.

    • Woody

      Yes, don’t get ruptured in that rapture…Whoaaaa!

      • sumsrent

        What’s your purpose? To jump around attacking Christians for their beliefs?

        • Woody

          False beliefs–yes. They have been around since Jesus founded His Church on Cephas; if you weren’t so afraid of “googling” you could google the list of heresies–Arianism
          Gnosticism, and they will continue to grow..
          except in the Church Our Lord founded when He promised, “I will be with you until the End of Days.” Thank you, Jesus

          • sumsrent

            I don’t google because it’s heavily invested in and influenced by satanic worshipping muslims of Islam. <<< You know… the ones who your pope and satanically influenced fake Catholic Church wants to unite with Christianity…
            Get this Woody… allah is NOT a god! No more a god than the air that fills an empty glass. The entire Islamic government is built around Babylonian Paganism…
            So why would your Church want to be associated with that?
            Why? I'll tell ya… to institute a One World Islamic Economic System.

          • Woody

            Go read Dave; he is educated. But I am glad you are back in the Sociopathic mode, with your fascination with satan, fixation on Muslims, you paranoia, … I’ll bet Dave googles because he is not afraid of the truth;

            “Know the truth and the truth shall set you free.” I believe Jesus was warning us about “the ostrich technique” so that one
            does not even know about the simple dictionary words, “that “veneration” is different than “adoration” (of course only educated people will know this) and to get really technical with you…”dulia vs. hyper-dulia.”

          • sumsrent

            Here you go again spewing lies!
            I was never part of your “veneration/adoration” conversation.

          • Woody

            True it is too deep for you.And you won’t find it on google which is also too deep for you; you might find the truth.

          • Woody

            Yah, that’s why the Pope’s have all encouraged Exorcisms – casting out the devils (in case it is too big a word for you to understand). There is an Exorcism going on in Indiana as we speak. So as your mixed up logic as always is confusing we now have satan casting out satan??

            Get a life….

          • sumsrent

            Mt 24:24…
            “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.”

            Obviously since you’re already deceived… you mustn’t be one of the very elect… aye?

            Q: And where is your pope during these so called “exorcisms”?
            All I see… your popes are always out spreading the lies that satanic Islam’s god is the same god of Christianity.

            Hey… did ya hear? pope Francis is on the cover of the ‘Rolling Stones’ magazine… why? Who knows… he’s invincible traveling with out the bulletproof glass on his popemobile!

  • billobillo54

    Thanks Keith for saying “both Protestant and Catholic” have failed. The entire controversy on this site regarding Catholicism was initiated because you guys failed to admit that it was Catholics too, and not just Protestants. I do think though, that the dialogue has been, to some extent, good and may, ironically, help unite us. Many Protestants have agreed and confessed that Protestantism, including Evangelical Protestantism, has failed and does not do enough to expose Islam, along with many in Protestantism who are deniers of the Faith “once delivered” and who are complicit with Islamicists. We need to drop the controversy over theology and unite around universal Christian principles like, for one, the freedoms in the Bill of Rights, especially all of the First Amendment Rights. We need to unite in resisting Islam within our western traditions of tolerance and freedom, not using Russia as a model of suppression of speech, assembly, petition, practice of religion or the press. There are many “heretics” like Mormons, or others like agnostics and secularists, who have a rational and accurate fear of Islam, who understandably and appropriately oppose Islam without attempting to persecute Muslims. Even an avowed enemy, critic and ridiculer of Christianity like Bill Maher has openly and aggressively criticized Islam. With all of that, your work is unique, equaled to by few if any, and must be supported. God bless you.

  • Woody

    Yes

  • Linda Gillard

    I completely agree with this article and therefore we will continue to see the degradation of our country.

  • H2o2Bill

    Another article that fails to address the real issues at hand. Your not going to win over Churches with a cigarette hanging out of Walid’s mouth. Does Walid ask for prayer and say he is trying to quit no he goes on some talk show and brags about it. Then you have his son Theodore who yanks the Bible so far out of context it probably makes the TV preachers (Benny Hinn and company) blush at times. It’s one thing to have a difference in interpretation it’s another to take the Bible out of context to try and back up your own personal agenda. And you really think you are going to win over Churches as a whole? Now you saying the Church has sold out to Satan yet don’t name any names or specifics just some generalized statement that means what?

    A country get’s the leadership they deserve. Yes we have spiritual apostasy happening right before our eyes. What are we to do about it? Pray? Preach the gospel? Repent of our own sins?

    Does it hurt to see the Church falling away to the point of tears? Does it make you pray more?

    Yes much of the Church is in a lukewarm state here in the US; yet not all of the Church is in a condition of spiritual apostasy or as you state sold out to the Devil.

    I see the kind of people you are drawing here.

    Ever here of George Muller? or Amy Carmichael? They prayed the LORD would provide what they needed for their ministries.

    I was greatly disappointed when I started learning the things put forth by this website. Walid’s bragging about smoking sure didn’t help either.

    I know Walid can’t honestly say he would offer a after dinner cigarette to the Lord Jesus Christ if He was over for dinner at Walids house. As Walid himself says Check Mate.

    Smoking robs Christians of a real prayer life.

    My prayer life has never been so rewarding until I began to pray for the persecuted Church. Until I began to talk a close look at things and do my best to see things as the LORD does. Until I rid myself of that pathetic habit called smoking. I don’t care what anyone else does I’m going to use my prayer time to do my part to tear down some strongholds.

    We need broken Christians, weeping Christians, repenting Christians. Burn piles, boycotts of Hollywood. Idols torn down including sports. We have so many idols we could easily rival any nation of the past known for idols.

    Do we really care enough to bring change? Do we really believe God will here our prayers? Are we prepared to clean up our own houses to the point that God will answer our prayers? We should be driven to remove anything between us and God. Driven to a life of righteousness so our prayers can be heard.

    It might be to late to prevent the coming judgment for the US but we certainly could prolong it.

    Does Obama prevent you from serving God? Does the falling away prevent you from praying as you should? What stops you from preaching the gospel?

    RAK CHAZAK
    CHAZACH AMATS

    • sumsrent

      “I was greatly disappointed when I started learning the things put forth by this website.”???

      Well… I don’t know about you… but what I do know is what I’ve seen and experienced over the years.

      Having been kicked off, banned and ostracized from other websites… I haven’t found any other source other than The Shoebat Ministries which links Biblical Scripture in with satanic Islam.

      Many websites will have articles regarding satanic Islam and not cover Biblical Scripture… and on the flip side… most Christian websites won’t dare offend the satanic muslims. Let alone bring up satanic Islam.

      Other than that… your left with secular websites that are so PC… standing up for the Jewish… the Christians… and exposing satanic Islam gets ya booted.

      So… I don’t get what you would be offended at?

      Heck… I’d bet you’d find fault in the Apostle Peter for laying his life down too early in life when he could have called upon the Lord… rebuked his executioners and carried on with his mission… aye?

      In fact… I don’t ever see you preaching the Gospel… only complaining half the time. B*tching about this Christian or that one who ain’t as perfect as you think they should be.

      You say… ” We need broken Christians, weeping Christians, repenting Christians.”

      Well… I say we need those and bold Christians also! Those who’ll stand up and proclaim the good news while exposing the Luciferian satanic agenda… which influences the masses and keeps them lost!

      You nitpick what a Christian does… and fail at winning lost souls! Helping them see the err in their ways… helping them see how they’re messed up in their thinking from satanic programming! Explaining to them how Holy Scripture is fulfilling Prophecy before our and their own eyes! Putting it all together so they BELIEVE! Have Faith! HAVE HOPE!

      You say we need “:broken, weeping and repenting Christians”…

      Well… I say we need Broken, Weeping and Repenting sinners !!!

      And I believe the Shoebat Ministries has one of the most unique understandings of the ME… A unheard of ministry which also has knowledgeable and first hand experience! Which reaches out to lost muslims!

      You know… those who also need a Savior!

      I believe leading a lost soul to Christ Jesus is more important than your petty gripes! We’ve covered this already once before… and here you’re at it again.
      Personally… I think you need to quit causing division!
      Maybe you should target Billy Graham for retiring to early and not working up to his last breath also… aye? And… go get on Jack Van Impe, John Hagee and Hal Lindsey for being Pre-Trib’ers.

      • H2o2Bill

        Why not trying refuting my post within it’s entire context? Did I not mention preaching the gospel? You want repenting sinners me too but repenting Christians is what is needed from the Church right now. Some are of the lukewarm state and some have gone the way of apostasy.

        I do believe Walid has much truth in what he presents when he is preaching from the Calvary Chapel pulpit as seen on Youtube. But this garbage coming from Theodore I can’t endorse. I once was passing out Shoebat DVDs and CDs visiting Churches that I knew no one in. Not anymore. I also know another large ministry that once endorsed this ministry yet has pulled their endorsement for the same reasons I have.

        I spread the word about Islam I’m bold about it too. I suspect people have talked about me after the facts. It does not bother me. At the same time a good reminder for us all is that the “two brothers” will one day be reconciled back together. Something to look forward to aye? Jewish Arab Reconciliation – Jacob Prasch (Full Version)
        <—Youtube

        Like I said their is a difference in having different interpretations and one using the Bible like a phone book to further ones own agenda.

        I do post other places than this website. If you will check things out I have witnessed to people here and other places on the web with postings. I have also written people like Tex Marrs and KJV only websites. And probably many more if I had time to think about it.

        You last sentence is almost funny but it's not. You can make fun of me it's OK you are forgiven. My post was for Walids eyes hoping he might read it and rethink his approach. Why does not Walid speak like his son Theodore does, from the pulpit of a Church? Because they would stop him right then and there and he would not speak there anymore.

        Walid sure seems Biblical smart enough to know his son Theodore is taking the Bible out of context to suit his own purposes.

        It sounded to me like the writer of this article was wondering why Churches won't support this ministry I offered reasons. I wanted to support this ministry so bad but I just can no longer do it.

        Siting verses out of Galatians saying we are to run people out. Walid has to know better he is a smart man. Then I ask why?

        I also don't post here all the time anymore. For the most part I let it go.

        I see the kind of people this website is drawing in. Christians?

        Is it not obvious that Politicians are liars and sold out for the love of money and power? Why would the living God of heaven give us such a President? Do you think maybe we need to examine ourselves?

        Look at the revivals of the past they start out with Christians weeping and repenting. It starts with people dedicated to prayer. It starts with people making amends with their fellow man.

        You say I'm complaining? It was the writer of the article that said the Church had sold out to the devil.

        When you here Walid preach and then compare it to what you find here it's not the same message at all. Walid calls for "building Churches and filling them up" This website calls for something else "Christian Militancy" It's not the same message and I could go on and on in that comparison.

        By the way division is good if it is for the right reasons and if I do move on it will because I believe the LORD wants me to and not because of you or any other person. Like Jacob says "Fight or Flee"

        Ask Theodore how many Churches are willing to let him come in and talk about Christian Militancy to their congregations? I don't see it happening but they let Walid preach. I here two different messages I don't have a list but Theodore takes verse out of context to suit his agenda on a regular basis. On the other hand Walid goes way out of his way to insure he has presented truth. So please do tell what am I to think of this?

        Eph 4:29 Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers.

        • sumsrent

          Bill… our discussion above should put to rest the concept of Christian Militancy.

          However… as you preach the words… “Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers.”
          I’m reminded of a discussion we had many weeks ago… which you address here once again. Which is what I was responding to… which is nothing more than secular programming. In fact… it fits Islamic principles.
          So then… are YOU edifying Walid and Ted? Because it sure looks questionable to me…

          • H2o2Bill

            Thanks, I will try to keep that in mind. To be very honest something seems way out of place and I’m not sure what it is. What Walid teaches and what is posted here by Theodore just don’t add up at all. I want to help I really do. I tried to be honest. Maybe I need to add more Bible in with my words to keep me humble & helping and keep the ones I’m writing to pointed in the right direction.

            It just sounded to me like the writer of the article was concerned for the ministry as it had taken a nose dive. As you remember this is what I was trying to warn about months ago.

            Secular programming, Islamic principle? Let’s not get carried away.

            I’m sorry smoking is bad for you and if your going to preach to Americans one is going to have to drop the habit even if it is accepted in your homeland. It’s no different than having to dress like the people you are ministering too. And please no strange applications here just keep missionaries in mind. No different than giving up pork to minister to people who are deeply offended by eating pork. I really think it’s beyond my examples but at the very least my examples apply soundly. And my Jesus style question brings about a sound check mate and no one will deny that.

            I forgot to tell you last time that tar and water don’t mix go get some tar put it on your hands then use nothing else but water to get it off see how long you are at it before you give up. (Hydrogen cyanide is not healthy but harmful come on let’s keep it real here.)

            I do agree though that I need to show more love and lifting up.

            Walid needs to explain the why he let’s his son put forth views contrary to his own teachings and take the Bible out of context in extreme ways. Walid please reconsider your present course.

            I have been trying to convey there is no need for compromise when we can pray. Prayer is most powerful when it’s done right. When one begins to pray for the things God wants them to pray for everything changes in the prayer life of that person. Things make sense at last.

            I still have a place for Walid and Walids ministry in my prayer life. I sure do.

            I’m sorry I wish I could end there but I can’t. Things need to be explained in detail before I can get back on board with this ministry and I tell you from my heart I wanted to support here I really did.

            The time will come when it will be time for me to be silent and let things run their course what ever that may be.

            And thanks you are right I need a better approach when rebuking. I will work on it.

          • Woody

            Yes he does have his fixations; at least I didn’t see his call to satan here.

      • Woody

        Why am I not surprised “you’ve been kicked off so many websites. To Repent is correct;went to confession yesterday.

        • sumsrent

          I’ve been kicked off for standing up for Christianity… which isn’t PC nowadays…
          I’ve been kicked off for standing up for the Jewish… which also is not PC these days…
          I’ve been kicked off for exposing satanic Islam… which… once again is NOT PC in today’s world…
          Once… I was kicked off for responding to trolls. Are you a troll?

          • Woody

            Ohhh, poor guy; welcome to Christianity…

    • Woody

      Verily,
      verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the FLESH of the Son of man, and DRINK
      HIS BLOOD, ye have no life in you. 54 Whoso EATET
      MY FLESH, and DRINKETH my BLOOD, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at
      the last day. 55For my FLESH is MEAT indeed, and my BLOOD is DRINK indeed. 56He that EATETH, and DRINKETH my BLOOD, dwelleth in me, and I in him. 57As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so
      he that EATETH ME, even he shall live by me. 58This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your
      fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that EATETH of this BREAD shall live
      for ever.

      59These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in
      Capernaum.

      MANY
      DISCIPLES TURN “AWAY”………

      (Matthew 8:18-22; Luke 9:57-62; Luke 14:25-33)

      60Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, THIS is an HARD
      SAYING; who can hear it? 61When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he
      said unto them, Doth this offend you? 62What and if
      ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? 63It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:
      the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. 64But
      there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the
      beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. 65And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come
      unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

      Peter’s
      Confession of Faith

      (Matthew 16:13-20; Mark 8:27-30; Luke 9:18-20)

      66From that time many of his disciples went back, and WALKED
      NO MORE WITH HIM.

      (LIKE THE PROTESTANTS OF TODAY—I’D SAY THEY ARE IN DEEP DOO-DOO)
      YES, THIS IS A HARD SAYING BUT NOT FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE JESUS IS GOD AND CAN
      DO ALL THINGS.

      NOTICE that Jesus did not run after these guys and say, “no, no
      come back. You misundertood Me. This is not really my Body and Blood, it is
      just a symbol.

      For many are called but few are chosen…

      AGAIN:
      FROM ST PAUL AS HE EXERCISED HIS PRIESTHOOD AND GAVE COMMUNION OUT:

      3 For I have received of the Lord that which also I DELIVERED unto
      you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

      24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat:
      this IS my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

      25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped,
      saying, this cup IS the new testament in my BLOOD: this do ye, as oft as ye
      drink it, in remembrance of me.

      26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew
      the Lord’s death till he come.

      27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of
      the Lord, UNWORTHILY, shall be guilty of the BODY and BLOOD of the Lord. [ONE CANNOT
      BE UNWORTHY OF TAKING MERE BREAD AND WINE IN SIN,BUT THEY CAN BE UNWORTHY BY
      TAKING JESUS OWN BODY AND BLOOD WHILE IN SIN]

      28 But let a man examine [BEFORE PARTAKING OF JESUS BODY AND BLOOD HE
      NEEDS TO EXAMINE HIS CONSCIENCE TO SEE IF HE IS IN SIN] himself, and so let him
      eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

      29 For he that eateth and drinketh UNWORTHILY, eateth and drinketh DAMNATION
      [PRETTY SERIOUS DOO-DOO HERE] to himself, NOT DISCERNING THE LORD’S “BODY.”

      30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

      • billobillo54

        You are correct someone is in “deep do-do.” As the Apostle Paul writes in Galatians to those who added anything other than faith in Christ (anything other than sola fide) as a requirement for salvation: “6 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you [c]by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; 7 which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel [d]contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be [e]accursed! 9 As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel [f]contrary to what you received, he is to be [g]accursed! (Galatians 1:6-9) Read what Paul says about his gospel (i.e. “my gospel”): Romans 2:16: “16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.”

        Romans 16:25:”25 Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery which has been kept secret for long ages past,”

        2 Timothy 2:8: “8 Remember Jesus Christ, risen from the dead, descendant of David, according to my gospel,”

        So what is Paul’s gospel? It is sola fide. Read 1 Corinthians 15:1-4:
        “15 Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast [a]the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.

        3 For I delivered to you [b]as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,”
        It is the gospel that saves because Jesus is the gospel (The Word became flesh). You and others who add ANYTHING other than faith in Jesus are in trouble.

        • Woody

          Thanks god, but I’ll got with Paul; see you somewhere in eternity. Jesus is the reason for Paul, Peter and my season.

        • Woody

          Faith without works is dead. Neither Sola Fide or Sola Scriptura or Martin Luther are mentioned in the Bible, nor has Jesus given anyone other than himself, “permission to found a church in His name. And none of the other 32,700 + denominations are mentioned either…

    • Todd Baumann

      Perhaps you can look at the Caffeine in your stomach before you poke on the Nicotine in your brother’s lungs.

  • Bill Holden

    I am not sure that you ever read the posts on your own blog. I have posted a few times and never seen a reply. Your version of the truth is not bang on. Your revelation of Islam as the end times beast is true but for some reason you fail to see that the end times includes more than one entity. There is Islam in prophecy, but there is also the Catholic Monarchy in prophecy, the EU in prophecy and the NWO in prophecy. Until you divide the word properly and recognize all of the parties involved I am afraid your following will be limited to those who only see Islam.

    It is not Islam who destroyed the last temple, it was Rome. So it is a prince related to Rome who will make the final 7 year agreement. He does not have to be related to the 10 horned beast or the little horn to fulfill Daniel 9:27, but he does have to be of the people who destroyed the temple.

    Then concerning Rev 17 and Babylon. Walid insists that this is Islam.

    Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet color, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
    Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
    Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
    Rev 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

    Those verses describe the Catholic Monarchy. The robes that the priests and cardinals wear are scarlet and purple; the royal crown worn by the Pope on special occasions is full of jewels; he wears a huge diamond ring; they practice all manner of abominations like selling the souls of wicked men trapped in their false purgatory for a price to give them entry into God’s kingdom. The rosary, the wafer in their eucharist, their statues and monuments are all an abomination to God.

    They bow down before their images of the saints and pray to their idols in worship. They are guilty of murdering thousands of true Christians who stand against them. Look at the crusades.

    The beast that caries the whore is the EU. It is made up of Catholic nations and has only 10 who have veto rights to effect the whole. In this way the whore rides the beast.

    The 7 heads are the 7 mainline religions forming the new one world religion.

    Look at Rev 18 and see how the one king places his 10 kings over the beast for one hour and destroys Babylon in one hour. If Islam were Babylon then it would be destroying itself. The beast hates Babylon the whore. Does Islam hate itself.

    No Islam hates the Catholic Monarchy as much as it hates the Jews. Islam will destroy the Catholic Monarchy during the final hours of the 7 year reign of the beast.

    Study the origins of the black pope for a better understanding of the whore. Those protestants who sell out to the Pope for the sake of unity do so at the cost of their ignorant souls. Satanic rituals are practiced in the caves beneath the Vatican with child sacrifices. Research Slavi; Illuminati defector and hear her testify this as an eye witness at the age of 12 and how the priest made her swear elegance to the NWO.

    Yes Islam is the monster that rises for the last time and yes it will devour the US after the NWO has done its job, but Islam is not alone in prophecy.

    • Todd Baumann

      With your logic, my tree is the Antichrist, it has ten branches and looks scarlet in spring. It allows grass to grow under it so it must be “giving up on the faith” If you only realize how much slander you commit. When you accuse someone of being Antichrist and it turns out your wrong, you have committed slander. Also, there is no “black pope”. Also, Revelation 17 never says “Vatican” or “Rome”, this is your private interpretation. Your problem is simple, you want your interpretation to be the Bible. You dont realize that you also want to be “god”, because you are as blind as a bat. Walid does not insist the Islam is Babylon, but that Babylon is in a desert s John said and as Isaiah 21 said. Have you read Isaiah 21?

      • Bill Holden

        What your tree is matters little as trees can be grated. What matters is doctrine and repentance. How is it that the Babylon that is the city is dressed in scarlet or purple?
        There is a spiritual Babylon just as there is a spiritual Jerusalem and spiritual Egypt and Jezebel. Egypt is symbolic of living worldly before one is born of Jesus Spirit. After the spiritual rebirth one is then a true Jew. The city of Jerusalem comes down from Heaven in Rev as the City of Peace with Jesus at the throne.
        In the same way Babylon is the spiritual title for the apostate church. History proves that this is the Catholic Monarchy. They dress in scarlet and purple, (the robes and banners of the monarchy) they worship the blood of the saints (they pray to Mary and several chosen saints of old including Peter and Christopher); they sit on many waters which the scriptures say are nations (Catholicism is the controlling religion of most countries today), they are full of abomination (they have idols to represent every false god that they pray to, they have adapted many of the world’s religious ways into Catholic doctrine, they are not a doctrine of faith but of law but as long as one goes to the false confession they can sin all week, the list goes on and on)
        The black pope does exist. He is the Jesuit General. Black Pope is not his legal title but a title given by Christians because the Jesuit General holds power over the Pope. The present Pope is the first Jesuit to ever take that position and is believed to be the final pope. The first general was Igneous Layola. At a certain level Jesuits are required to make an oath to serve the Pope at the point of a dagger. In this oath they swear to lie, steal, or kill for the Pope. They swear to cut unborn children from the mother`s womb and dash their heads against the wall to prevent the seed from carrying on.
        There was a Pope who realized the evil of the Jesuit army and their doctrine. He declared the Jesuits illegal and swore to out an end to them. He was assassinated. Since then the Popes slowly came into submission to the Jesuit Generals. Their practices are like those of Hitler where everyone is a spy to watch their brother and report to their leadership any sign of disobedience.
        The Jesuits army is very alive today, they just are not public. They rule the Papacy.
        Listen to the new Pope and compare his words with scripture. You will find he is extremely anti scripture.
        Just because one is a Muslim or a Catholic or any other religion does not mean they cannot be saved. Jesus said come out of her my children. If anyone hears Jesus words then they are his and need to come out of the worlds religions and learn His ways.

        • Woody

          Another whack-job. All untrue; you are like the other guy who can’t spell or talk, making up things as you go along; He is so scared that he won’t google anything he might find the truth, instead ignoring the truth of my Master:
          “Know the truth for the truth shall set you free.” Thank, you Jesus for the gift of this wisdom.

          I can see you now at the particular judgement, “Yes, Jesus I did denigrate your mom all of my life, but can you let me into Heaven anyway.”
          And i know that You said, “Judge not lest ye be judged. And I always did that, didn’t I.” (I wouldn’t want to be in your shoes.)

      • Woody

        Beautiful – but too much wisdom for this group. They fail to see a few simple truths: (1) While the Bible is true, one’s interpretations may be false (see the 32,700 protestant churches still growing by 1 per week) because they can agree on very few things My Master, Jesus, has said:
        — gay marriage is good – gay marriage is bad
        – women ministers are good – women ministers are bad
        (2) While they Lambast Jesus’ One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church founded on Cephas the Rock, they, at the same time, follow all the norms set by Holy Mother Church, i.e., “Services on Sundays, not Saturdays” changed by the Pope, “Christmas on 25th December”, set by the Pope, the dates of “Easter” set by the Pope, “A.D. & B.C.” set by the Pope; accepting the Bible set by the Catholic Church at the Council of Nicea in 325 AD by the direct orders of Constantine, erroneously rejecting 7 books of the Bible set by this same council, on & on…at the same time they reject doctrine in place for 1517 years from Christ onward, the Eucharist (our greatest gift and the only reason “structural churches were built from the times of Jesus on…i.,e., one can sing at home, one can listen to a paripatetic at home, one can pray at home, but there is only one place can receive Jesus’ Body and Blood and that is in Church. I would say they are over 1500 years too late to know any truth…