WATCH THE VIDEO: ISIS Savages Beheading Twenty One Coptic Christians (“AND I SAW THE MARTYRS WHO WERE BEHEADED IN THE NAME OF JESUS” IS BEING FULFILLED)

By Walid Shoebat (Shoebat Exclusive)

As we predicted last week that the 21 Coptic Christians have been beheaded and now the gruesome details, a video just released by ISIS. Watch and see the price of persisting to remain Christian. Even under the blade, some were making their last prayers and as the blade came to their neck they all cried in unison “Ya Rabbi Yasou’” (O My Lord Jesus) the caption by ISIS stated “these insisted to remain in unbelief”. In other words, they were given the option to convert or die and everyone of them refused, even unto death.

Meet the Christian copts of Egypt! 

It is extremely rare for Christian Copts to convert to Islam. 

This is their last words, Ya Rabbi Yasou’, (My Lord Jesus), on their pure lips while the saints cry in heaven Hallelujah and to accept being martyred under the blade of the Muslim scimitar:

Where can we find faith like this but in the land of Egypt?

This while ISIS played their famous Nasheed (chant) with the words:

Arabic: اذا الكفر ماج وأرغى وهاج ملئنا الفجاج دماً احمرا مشينا بسمرٍ لجزٍ ونحرٍ  بسكين ثأرٍ سمت من حرى

English: If unbelief (in Islam) waved as the froth (of the sea) we will fill the plains red crimson blood … we walked dark nights, to slice and slaughter, with the blade of vengeance that poisons whom [our] anger is upon.

When ISIS early today sent out a “Coming Soon” documentary titled “Warning: Message Signed In Blood Coming Soon To ‘Nation Of The Cross’” we declared that it will be as ISIS promised, showing a wave of Coptic Christian blood which it has spilt. It is quite horrifying.

This morning I noticed some western speculation as to what ISIS had in mind for this sinister surprise which makes it obvious that from the beach wave mixed in blood as to the slaughter of 21 Christians.

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Some social media in the west speculated that this has something to do with Denmark, for example:

“Speculation as to ‘nation of the cross’ spans from Denmark (flag with cross) to ‘community of Christendom’. This announcement came after the Denmark attacks yesterday, so is not a reference to yesterday’s attacks.” (Weasel Zippers)

Westerners centric folks care more about Charlie Hebdo’s death, a liberal who mocked Christ portraying the Virgin Mary giving birth to a pig when all throughout the Middle East, the speculation is quite different and more accurate, the beach and the waves shaped red, a reference to the blood was a clear message to the Copts in Egypt, a people who are rarely cared for and to Egypt it is about the slaughter of the 21 Christian Copts who were dragged to a Mediterranean beach front in Libya dressed in orange jump suits while the shadow of death, the Muslim dressed in evil looking back (the color of their flag) drags them to martyrdom. The picture shows from ISIS magazine Dabiq, a group of Copts bowing on a beach, which can be linked to the image of the new promotional video issued by ISIS.

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Now it all adds up. Exactly as we stated in three articles before ISIS released this horrifying video.

The phrase “Cross nation” referred to in the message, raised our doubts about the fate of 21 Coptic Egyptian kidnapped by a group “Soldiers Of The Caliph” loyal to ISIS in Libya, and who had been abducted from the city Sirte, Libya. We (Rescue Christians) have been monitoring the situation in Sirte and the Coptic community is stranded there and the Copts who want to leave find it impossible since seven were killed previously trying to escape. The only route is through Tunisia and the poor Copts who are stuck there cannot afford it. We are trying our best to find a way and to also send financial aid to their families.

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One of the mothers in Minya Egypt weeps for her son captured by ISIS.

And while the families who were anticipating the fate of their 21 sons in suffering to now realize the full story, I am reminded of Christ’s descending on earth which the Muslim executioner in the video referred to from his demonic teaching. Let me remind ISIS, we fear not you scimitar, you can take our lives, but you will never have our souls. The two places in Scripture I find Jesus landing to rescue folks is in Zechariah 14 and Isaiah 19. We all know that Zechariah 14 is about rescuing the Jews and converting them to Him, but Isaiah 19 should shock some folks and get us to ask, who and why is Christ coming for in Egypt:

“And it will be for a sign and for a witness to the LORD of Hosts in the land of Egypt; for they will cry to the LORD because of the oppressors, and He will send them a Savior and a Mighty One, and He will deliver them.” (Isaiah 19:20)

Here we have the “Mighty One” is the Messiah who fights on the day of the Lord to fight “the oppressors” of His brethren. Here, see for yourself your brothers and sisters in Egypt suffering from the oppressors and calling for Jesus to come down and save them:

And where do we find faith like this? Be encouraged and rejoice O daughter of Egypt. Where do we see multitudes of Christians taking to the streets when there are 90% Muslims and in the face of such a massive threat the Copt stands for Christ, yet here in the West, we fear a handful of bickering Muslims.

Prior to the release of this execution, the call on Christ to appear and rescue the 21 Copts has become a typical occurrence in Egypt since Egypt is mentioned in Scripture that upon His return (Isaiah 19) “they will call on the Lord to send them a Savior and a Mighty One“. And so in this following demonstration calling for Christ to descent and rescue the 21 brethren, they cried out: “Have mercy, save us O Lord for You are our salvation … Kurielaison (Lord have mercy) … O Lord of hosts …” as they did the sign of the crucifix (see 1:40) declaring their faith publicly as to take the mark of God (Revelation 9:4) in the midst of a Muslim majority population yelling out “we are not kafir (heathen)”.

And this is exactly what these Copts are doing, calling on Jesus to descend and save them. Christ was called “Mighty One”, Isaiah 19:20 leaves no question as to who Christ comes to rescue: “He will send them a Savior and a Mighty One, and He will deliver them.”

The Egyptian Coptics are increasingly being oppressed by the Muslim majority. But if God sees their cause as being so important to personally send His Son, the Savior and Mighty God to rescue them, then we need to ask: what are the Coptic Christians of Egypt doing right and what are they doing differently from the western church?

He comes to rescue the Christians, the remnant in Egypt, the 10% Christians. There is no doubt that the “Savior” and “Mighty One” is Christ. In the Psalms, Messiah is portrayed as a soldier and a fighter with the same reference, “Mighty One”:

“Gird Your sword upon Your thigh, O Mighty One, With Your glory and Your majesty” (Psalm 45:3).

In Zephaniah 3 this “Mighty One” is physically present in Israel’s midst:

“The LORD your God in your midst, The Mighty One, will save” (Zephaniah 3:17)

He comes for Israel to convert the Jewish people to Him. And if in doubt that Christ lands in Egypt, explain this:

“See, Jehovah rides on a swift cloud and is coming to Egypt. The idols of Egypt tremble before him, and the hearts of the Egyptians melt within them” (Isaiah 19:1).

Who comes on the clouds? We also meet Him in the clouds. We even sing “Behold He comes riding on the clouds”, yet we eliminate Egypt from the song. Indeed, we are lacking. We eliminate essential clues from our songs we sing. Why?

This is Messiah personally coming to defeat Egypt. Obviously Egypt is a 90% Muslim nation with 10% Christians who will be caught up in the clouds and then landing to fight tyranny and Antichrist.

But here is the dilemma, the Egyptian Christians are Copts who believe that the bread and wine in the Eucharist are miraculously, and mysteriously, changed in to the Body and Blood of Christ through the power of the Holy Spirit. They also believe in the intercessions of the Virgin Mary or of the angels or of the saints.

Yet Christ is personally coming to rescue them and snatch them up in the clouds from the persecution by the Antichrist, the tyrant.

Ever think about it?

If Christ loves these, who are we to judge what He considers His brethren? Is it perhaps that even their theology is more sound than ours?

They even have a Pope. The previous Pope Shenouda III (بابا الإسكندرية شنودة الثالث‎) before his death on 17 March 2012, he wrote a thesis on responding to the western Protestant style Christianity and its in English.

He called for unity:

“We are in an age in which Ecumenical work and attempts towards the recovery of the Christian Unity have flourished. The meetings between the Churches, in councils, conferences and symposiums have increased, and the fields of co-operation and co-working have multiplied. However, unity is in a much higher level than cooperation. The Christian Unity should be built on the foundation of the “One Faith”. Thus began the theological discussions between the Churches. This book in your hands is a step in this theological discussion between our brethren the Protestants and us.”

Go ahead, read his work, its an eye opener.

My friends are concerned, why am I focused on the ancient East and Church Fathers in my theology lately? Some think I have gone mad because I do not sound like your typical tele evangelist prophecy teacher.

And why shouldn’t I focus on the east? The Coptic Christians are extremely devout to Christ. The coptic church is probably the most devoute and active church in the world. Their youth were raised in the church and are very close to their church community and are just as pious as their parents.

The Coptic Orthodox Church of Egypt was founded in the first century by St. Mark, one of the disciples of Jesus. St. Mark is regarded as the first patriarch of the Coptic Orthodox Church. He planted the Church in Alexandria, where he wrote his gospel—the Gospel of Mark, in the Greek language. After winning many converts to Christianity in several journeys, he was brutally martyred by pagans in the streets of Alexandria in 68 AD.

The Christian Church of Egypt (the Coptic Orthodox Church) produced world-wide distinguished Christian leaders and theologians who defended the Orthodox faith tirelessly.

I had asked a fellow Christian on my blog to tell me about St. Athanasius the Apostolic, the twentieth patriarch of Egypt (328-373) who fought the Arian heresy. She knew nothing and the name wasn’t interesting enough for her.

He is known for his staunch defense of the orthodox faith, St. Athanasius suffered exile from his See five times.

There was also St. Cyril the Great, the twenty-forth patriarch of the Coptic Church (412-444), refuted the Nestorian heresy. His theology is regarded by Christendom as the key to orthodoxy. At the time of his death, the Coptic Church occupied the position of undisputed leadership in the entire Christian world, and Christianity covered most of the land of Egypt.

Christ loves the Copts, and so will I. Not only will I love them, but I will also learn from the remnants of St. Mark, the apostle. We always talk Bible, yet we forget who wrote it and where they lived and what they said and how they interpreted it. If I want to know what Mark meant by certain verses, I will sure check with the Copts before I check with Rick Warren!

Yesterday, we have decided to send help to the heart of Egypt. We will find these families and we will send them help and support. The west needs to think on more serious issues on Christian persecution which will increase as we see these events unfold. For example, we operate a very effective mission in rescuing fellow Christians who literally live under slavery. We are a unique organization (Rescue Christians) who rescue Christians, perdominately in Pakistan that live under the Muslim yoke baking bricks in kilns under the heating sun. Christians too are burned in furnaces in Pakistan with no one to morn them. To see an example out of the thousands we rescue, click here, and listen to the amazing testimonies first hand on how you can help and make a difference, now in this life and for eternity.

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  • Sister E

    They are now with Jesus in heaven. We who remain here should pray for more strength and more faith in these hard times.

    • Liitj

      I wouldn’t call these hard times. Read 1st Samuel 15:3 (NLT).Saul was told to: “Now go and completely destroy the entire Amalekite nation–men, women, children, babies, cattle, sheep, goats, camels, and donkeys.” Be glad ISIS isn’t doing this!

      • Sister E

        That refers to a specific time, to specific peoples. In the old testament God commanded the Hebrews to fight and kill the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizites, Hivites, and Jebusites, Amalekites – all specific peoples rooted to a specific time and place; all peoples that have not exisited for millenia. At no time did God give an open-ended command for the Hebrews and by extension their Jewish descendants to fight and kill “all unbelievers.”
        To be sure Muslims also argue that the verses of the Koran also deal with temporal, historical oponents, including the polytheists of Mecca and to a lesser extent the Byzantine and Sassanian empires.
        Instead, Muslims were (and are) commanded to fight the “The people of the book” which Islamic exegesis interprets as people with scriptures, namely Christians and Jews – UNTIL they pay the Jizya with willing submissiveness and feel themselves utterly subdued (Koran 9:29), and to slay the idolaters WHEREVER you find them.
        The two Arabic injunctions UNTIL (hata) and WHEREVER (haytul) demonstrate the PERPETUAL and UBIQUITOUS nature of these commandments: there are still “people of the book” who have yet to “feel themselves utterly subdued” (especially all throughout the Americas, Europe, and Israel) and “idolaters” to be slain “wherever” one looks (especially Asia and sub-saharan Africa).
        In fact, the salient feature of almost all the violent commandments in Islamic Scriptures is their open-ended and generic nature: Fight THEM until there is no more chaos and (all) religion belongs to Allah (Koran 9:39).
        This fact will ensure that as long as the Koran proliferates and is read as God’s literal words, its readers will continue to exist in a dichotomized world themselves versus the rest.

        • Dan Knight

          Well put Sister E.

      • Grandmere

        But they are! Many know they kill men, women and children. Not as many know the disgusting things they do to animals. This is the reason those pagans had to be wiped out in antiquity. It was so bad, the ideology and the disease associated with their practices that it was necessary to save humanity. Not only Jewsh life, but the lives of gentiles in the area. Islam is a return to Baal worship. People in here know what they are talking about.

  • Oh Lord I pray you give me the strength of these men, so that I might run this race to the end. And so that in the blessed day of your appearing I might be found worthy to stand in the congregation of the saints and not be ashamed.

    • shoebat

      “Oh Lord I pray you give me the strength of these men”

      He will brother James, he will. It is a day to rejoice. Their pains are all over and there glory is with the Father who is in heaven.

      “so that I might run this race to the end.”

      You will James, you will. Be encouraged.

      • Julie

        So true…the Egyptian Copts are so put down…the videoes about them today…still resonating in my soul….I prayed very hard the Lord would come to rescue them…

      • Amen.

    • Sister E

      AMEN !!!

    • Dan Knight

      Amen

  • “My friends are concerned, why am I focused on the ancient East and Church Fathers in my theology lately?” My friend it is blank stares for all of us who speak about the early church. There is this persistent theology that jumps from 55 A.D. to 2015. Heck, I’d even be happy if some pastors would just hold to the stern teachings of the Protestant Reformation at the least. I’d take a Puritan over what passes for some of the new post-modern theology I feel I’m constantly trying to (battle.) I recently taught on the Nicene Creed and its development and touched on some of the ecumenical councils and a little of the church split. It floored many people. They’d never heard any of this before.

    I am currently reading the following books: “The Mass of the Early Christians,” by Mike Aquillina, “The Didache,” and “Bringing Jesus to the Desert” by Bradley Nassif. I just visited an Orthodox Monastery last Sunday and spent the day there. We can only benefit from looking to the early church and learning from them.

    I personally feel it is ultimately the west’s failure to understand persecution that will ultimately undermine their theology. I think the west could benefit from a more aggressive evangelism from the Orthodox church. Or as Bradley Nassif puts it, a more aggressive internal evangelizing of the church’s laity to share their faith (again here in the west.) I know many who see it as isolationist, but once you come to encounter them it is beautiful. However, many remain skeptical and guarded. Certainly Ancient Faith Radio is helping the Orthodox Church to display the beauty of their theology and roots. I don’t know if today’s ecumenism between Protestantism and Catholicism will win many fans. Thankful to be involved with supporting Rescue Christians.

    • Julie LaBrecque

      Vinny, it sounds as though you are doing you a great service to the people you are instructing, and I heartily commend you for it. Blessings to you and to your endeavor.

    • shoebat

      I like your post here Vinny Zee. If I may add, the church in the West needs someone to crack the whip.

      • Hi Walid. I feel its been a long time since we’ve had some discussions, but I surmise you’ve been busy on many fronts. It is always good to see your article, they bring a unique perspective and always make me think. I used to also think the church needed a whip cracker. But as I’ve taken a step back for a moment and surveyed the land, I have realized that so much post-modernism has crept into the church that they will brush off whip-crackers as insignificant or irrelevant. Many post-moderns have such a snarky disposition that they deem their brush-offs and blow-offs of “moderns” “legalist” and others as a testament to to their wise and smart new ways of understanding everything.

        Some of the best interrogators ever have befriended their subjects. They’ve made their subjects believe the interrogator was their best friend. Through those conditions the interrogator elicits much information and further is able to get their point across to an other wise dysfunctional, brutal criminal. I’m not advocating deception (I’m not sure I would have taken Theodore’s approach with Msgr. Michael Yarbrough, thought I suppose there is a time and place for this.) However, sometimes we have to get to know the enemy, learn to speak their language so we can understand their mindset in order to get our point across. As we all may know, a good attorney prepares his opponents case before he prepares his own.

        Thanks again for all of your work and the clarity you bring at times (like the post of the kids in the cage) being misinterpreted as kids that were burned alive on the internet. I am thankful we have someone who can see through this type of deception.

        • Julie LaBrecque

          Don’t be too quick on the deception issue, it has been used in the Bible, “Please, please, God of my Father, God of the heritage of Israel, Master of heaven and earth, Creator of the waters, King of all you have created, hear my prayer! Let my deceitful words wound and bruise those who have planned dire things against your covenant, you holy temple, Mt. Zion…” Judith 9:12. Judith cut off the head of Holofernes and saved her people from the Assyrians, and it is from Judith and Esther that much of Mary’s role in salvation history is modeled from, Elizabeth’s declaration to Mary is modeled on Judith 13:18 “Blessed are you, daughter, by the Most High God, among all the women on earth.”

          • I’m not so sure if I’m following your reply. My point was that people took photos of a protest, with children in a cage and said these kids were burned alive. Walid saw the same thing, but because he can read the Arabic, was able to bring clarity to the fact that the photos were from a protest not a murder. My point was that Walid was able to see through the deception, because people could over react or take wrong action on what they perceived were photos of kids being burned alive when in fact the photo belonged to a protest not that of genocide. So I am thankful someone like Walid was able to see the misuse of the photo and bring clarity and “see through the deception.” That was my point. What did you mean by your quote from Judith?

          • Julie LaBrecque

            The part where you were describing interrogators using deception. Judith used deception to lure Holofernes.

          • I’m all for deception as an investigative tactic. But I had someone use “deception” once. Only I unfortunately did not quite get what the conversation was about and a few weeks later I was flat out told I was not a Christ but that I was actually an anti-Christ because I denied there would be a second coming of Christ. But here was the problem, I did NOT actually know that is what we were having a conversation about. Had they just actually asked me straight up, I would have provided the answer they were looking for. So I guess my underlying point about not “advocating deception” is that within the church I would not want to see people withing the church destroying the otherwise genuine faith of a true believer. Remember, Jesus was clear to in the parable of the workers that they should not pull up the chaff for fear they may uproot the wheat too. He said let them grow until the end and then they will be separated in the barn and then the chaff will be burned up. I see this as a very serious warning because not EVERYONE is spiritually mature enough to make judgment calls unfortunately and what sometimes ends up happening is that genuine Christians are judged as heretics and we begin pulling up the wheat when we want to get rid of the pesky chaff. Yes, the chaff must go, but it will in due time.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            I was by no means, advocating deception, I hope you understand that, was just pointing to an isolated incident where it was used against an enemy of God’s people.

  • chad

    Maybe the sky opened so he could see the throne as our first martyr steven.

  • Eleana Pshock

    Release million’s of Warrior angels to go and fight for our brothers in Christ.

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  • shoebat

    Be strong David.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    A country that condones the killing of unborn children is a country that will not have the moral fortitude to defend any defenseless peoples. Margaret Sanger won.

    • C20

      Offerings to Molek the idol of evil.

      • Julie LaBrecque

        That is absolutely spot-on, put them into the burning belly.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Congratulations!

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Goliath was described as a giant – who knows? The leadership may assign their taller people to this ‘job’ so as to appear to be as intimidating as possible.

  • KINGKHAN

    I’m muslim and I cant believe what these sick fucks have done to these innocent souls. I just like you guys have feelings for these innocent victimes. May they rest in peace and be granted the highest place in paradise. Amen

    • shoebat

      God bless you King Khan

    • Grandmere

      Thank you for your thought. They are with God and we will see them again.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Be proud; your fellow Copts exhibited their love and rock-solid devotion to our Lord in the most sublime manner that exists: martyrdom.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    First video is disabled, says playback aborted.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Probably at the movies watching 50 Shades of Grey.

    • Dalton

      For once, why don’t you people try cleaning up your own neighborhood instead of relying on America to come half way around the world and do it for you? If you won’t do anything to fight these manics living right next door to you why should we?

      • Julie LaBrecque

        First off, who is ‘you people’? If you meant Americans, many Americans stand very strongly against Government sanctioned slaughter of the unborn, 57 million + killed since 1973 when abortion was legalized.

        • Grandmere

          Fifty seven million souls receiving the mail and placing it in a golden bowl for the Lord. Their killers thought they had “gotten rid of them”.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Were you aware that a mother who has carried a baby in-utero for at least 4 weeks receives and retains cells from those babies? This was discovered around 2012. These microchimeric cells actually circulate in the mother’s blood, helping the mother fight illness, and they also reside in her brain. The women who have killed their children in-utero have their childrens’ cells circulating in their bodies. The innocent always sacrifice. Always.

          • Grandmere

            Abortion is also associated with a higher risk of breast cancer.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Birth control pills too.

      • Grandmere

        Guess what, Dalton. Americans have a fine old tradition of self criticism. She is an American you numbskull.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    I like your plan (and the part about the cry babies & crying like little girls)- please forward to the White House.

    • Grandmere

      Don’t leave out the king of cry babies – Boehner.

  • BUSH

    SAD VIDEO BUT GOOD ANSWER TO OBAMA WHO DROPS LASER BOMBS IN MUSLIM COUNTRIES.THIS WAR WAS STARTED BY NATO FROM BEGNING WEITHER IT IS IRAQ, SERIA,AFGHANISTAN OR ANY OTHER COUNTRY.THEY DON`T UNDERSTAND WHY THE SHOULD BE IS MUSLIM COUNTRIES.FOR WHAT? FOR OIL?

    • Grandmere

      What did these young men have to do with Obama or bombs? They were killed, as stated by their murderers, because they were Christians.

  • Andrew Walker

    Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (‭Matthew‬ ‭24‬:‭29‬ KJV)

    We are so close to the end of the tribulation period, the abomination of desolation has already happened on 3/22/2013 when obama stood in the holy place where he ought not to stand in the church of the nativity in Israel and it was the day after winter and the day before the sabbath day as Jesus said to pray for and there is only about a little over 1 1/2 years to go and God will pour out his wrath upon these monsters. So about October 2016 is when Matthew 24:29 will be fulfilled and I’m predicting lots of meteorites and it will rain fire on these enemies of God. When innocent blood is spilled it cries out and goes up into Heaven as a frequency that is manifested as fire falling. So isis is about to have a day from hell next year God will pour out judgement. I’m predicting about October 2016.

  • Robert Boni

    Where is our “president’ when he should be enraged at what is happening?

    • Grandmere

      He is where he wants to be – in the Muslim Brotherhood.

  • P. William Snieder

    Take my word for it, plans are in motion. Innocents for innocents.
    You say we are not safe, in Europe how many millions of mudslimes are there?

    In the US and Canada, how many mudslimes are there?

    Trust me now, plans are in motion. If you want a war, we will give it to you.
    You might be in your ‘calipahte’ but your parents, siblings and friends are here. How long wil it be before we do something?

    Trust me, we are weak we are simply waiting for the right time and we are waiting for our strength to grow. That is exacrly what is happening now.

    If you want to see what we can dom look at the jews who died in the shoah. Right now, you are priming the world to carry out the biggest extermination project and you will have no friends or allies to help.

    Soonm one of your parents, siblings and friends will be stars in their own videos. And if the murder continues, the cycle continues.

    You have been warned.

  • P. William Snieder

    Of course not. How many officials appointed by him have ties to the mudslime sisterhood?

    He is the posterboy for passivity and now you know why no one will vote for him or anyone like him again.,

    • C20

      His bro Malik isn’t passive.

  • John Lynch

    Go ahead, kill each other. See if I give a fuck. The less religious people there are, the more peace we will have. Fuck you ronlaw777. Come over here and find out if we stand for nothing. We will let you kill each other. Keep it up you ignorant religious freaks. This probably won’t get posted anyway because freedom of speech doesn’t apply anymore.

  • Gary Lee

    Would love to see Obama locked in a cage surrounded by ISIS fighters who like to play with matches.

    • Grandmere

      He has not outlived his usefulness yet. He must needs tap dance a while longer.

  • Gary Lee

    Would love to see Obamà lockéd in a cagé surrounded by ISIS fighters who like to play with màtches.

  • Curious to hear more about your conversion story to Orthodoxy. Where did you convert from? Would you be willing to provide a brief testimony?

  • shoebat

    Wish you spoke Arabic Nicole. There are some great teaching on Youtube by a Daud Lam’i, a great Coptic teacher.

  • shoebat

    Congratulations

  • shoebat

    Shukran ya ukhti Lemia. God be with you, always.

  • diana

    isis you aer fuck up you all need to be kill you make me sick god is love you all need your cute off wow so bad may me cry four all 21 man god bess you all

  • Kamau40

    Congratulations Nicole.

  • 1Bobby8

    Notice the Church is the strongest where it’s being persecuted. American and European Christians have become so soft and comfy, like the Garden of Eden, that they even believe that when the persecution comes here they’ll be taken away.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Do two wrongs make a right?

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Do you agree that killing babies is OK? You should wash your mouth out.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Go ahead, let your neighbor get killed, you aren’t even at the level of a humanist. the ‘separation’ was intended to keep the government from intruding into the Church, or from the government enforcing a state religion, but here with Obamacrap, I mean care, Catholics have to SUE the government for forcing their entities from funding the killing of innocent babies and artificial birth control.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Keep us posted, anxious to hear about the rest of your journey.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Awesome story, hope you hang around.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Allah seems to change his mind as conditions warrant.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Walid, thanks for the link to Pope Shenouda III’s theology, I haven’t read all of it as of yet, but will, have saved it. I was intrigued that he interprets the ‘swift cloud’ in Isaiah 19:1 to be a reference to Mary.

    • Trevor

      It was his book that got me completely engrossed with Orthodoxy teaching.

      • Julie LaBrecque

        Whose book, Walid’s or Pope Shenouda’s?

        • Trevor

          Shenouda’s.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            I have it saved on my computer, am going to print out so I have a hard copy. Loved how his he tied in scripture in a way that it flowed as though he was speaking directly to a person.

  • Trevor

    Reading this makes me so ashamed for complaining about my job, my boss, having an argument with my wife, and just being a complaining instead of being thankful.
    May the Lord judge me so I may obtain mercy.

  • Grandmere

    Bad boy, bad boy. What ya gonna do? What ya gonna do when they come for you?

  • Grandmere

    Please stay with us Ignacio. It is so encouraging to hear people tell their story. I will be praying for you as you spread the word in Spain.

  • Grandmere

    I didn’t know there was any new revelation in Islam.

  • Grandmere

    Have patience. It will go through.

  • Grandmere

    When the mourning is over I hope we can stay united to defeat this evil.

  • kel

    You just entered them into the gates of heaven right into Jesus arms…they will feel no more pain…they will sit at his side. These people will suffer from the second they enter the gates of he’ll that where they ate going. Wake up the bible talks about this including a man who we trust to be the saviour of our people meaning commander and chief. Those who murder gods people will suffer he promised this!!!

  • Sister E

    Shame on your country! Don’t just sit down there, lay back and allow your government do anything they want. You’ve got to stand up and speak up, and don’t give up.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    I whole-heartedly agree that the Muslim world (those Muslims who are horrified of these atrocities) should be screaming at the top of their lungs demanding an end to the brutality, but here is the rub: a ‘true’ Muslim must imitate Mohammed. Maybe you aren’t aware of how many Jews were beheaded at the command of Mohammed, nor aware of the verses in the Koran and the Hadiths that demand that the infidel (non-Muslim) must be killed or be subjugated by paying the jizya and being dhimmis, until the whole world is under Islam. Islam is like the Hotel California: you can check out , but you can never leave. (safely)

  • Julie LaBrecque

    He will, when the time comes- till then, free will prevails.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    As I recall, Jefferson wrote a letter to a congregation somewhere and told them in the letter that there was a ‘wall of separation’ to assure them that the government could not harass them.

    • Grandmere

      True

  • Grandmere

    It’s okay to have righteous anger.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    These men were willing to go without protest because they know and believe that there exists a life far better and more glorious than anything that life on earth can offer us. Every Apostle of Jesus, save one who died a natural death, was martyred willingly, (and hundreds of later adherents) for their faith in the resurrection of their bodies. Why else would one willingly give their life under persecution? These men had to have witnessed a resurrected body to stand in such unflinching firmness and suffered such cruel deaths.

  • Grandmere

    What?????????????????????

  • Grandmere

    Cool handle!

  • Grandmere

    Thank you for enlightening us. I’m so happy that you have it all figured out.

  • Grandmere

    Some people here are fluent in Arabic. They were probably able to do some lip reading. As far as “hearing” I think that was a figure of speech.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    The problem is that there is a glaring contradiction between the God of the Jews and of the Christians, and the supposed god of Islam, Mohammed -the founder of Islam, was a murderer and sexual deviant, so, put that in the mix and compare to the life of Jesus Christ. I consider it an incredible leap of faith for a human being to deny that there must exist an intelligent entity responsible for the universe that we inhabit, but man tends to be prideful and believe that he is the highest link in the chain.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Thomas Aquinas is one of the brightest minds in all of human history and also happened to be quite a ‘religious’, as you would say, man. Your sentence structure is quite poor in addition to the fact that you failed to use an apostrophe in ‘didnt’, so I in no way cannot assume you to be any better educated, nor more intelligent than the people you are labeling as idiots.

  • Grandmere

    If C.S. Lewis could do it, why not you?

  • Grandmere

    Watch out Jimmy. There are some heroic women in here.

  • Grandmere

    They are in no danger of harsh criticism from our president. After all, he is in sympathy with them.

  • Grandmere

    This atrocity is clearly at the hands of Satan. Just because you don’t believe in God or Satan doesn’t mean they aren’t real.

  • AnthonyM

    They do look pretty calm. Drugged is my guess.
    The Jordanian pilot was starved for 5 days before he was burned alive. Not much strength left for stuggle after that.

  • Kelly

    Maybe not as much now, but from 2000-2008 it sure was.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Our insurance premium (for 4 people) went from $875 @ month to $1,325 @ month (for 3 people). Stinks to high heaven. We are insurance poor. My plan was found to be ‘insufficient’, because it did not meet Obamacrap guidelines and had to be upgraded to suit them, basically, we are paying premiums to cover people who won’t get off their +ss and work.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    HELLO Kelly: news flash- the government informed me that MY insurance policy did NOT meet THEIR requirements. Our insurance premiums near doubled after Obamacrap was in force.

    • Grandmere

      Big increase on the group policy we have for our employees. As usual, my husband increased everybody’s pay to cancel out their part of the increase. The other part – we ate it.

  • Dan Knight

    You are not mad Walid – you are a warrior of God sent to His people in their hour of need. …

    Just sayin…

  • Dan Knight

    Admission to Orthodox Churches is open just as with any Church in the Church. The trouble arises parish by parish, community by community. One Church may welcome you, and another may shun you.

    Copts are good, but I would recommend starting with an Antiochian Evangelical Orthodox parish if you can find one in your neighborhood. It’s the Syrian Orthodox Church mentioned in Acts 11, started by the Church in Jerusalem. They have established a number of parishes evangelizing to us Americans.

    It’s very “catholic” obviously, but has one big advantage over the RCC – namely there is likely to be at least one person in the congregation who actually knows why he’s there and why they do all of that ‘catholic’ stuff. Great place to get your questions answered.

    That said: I did run into a priest whose grandfather was martyred on the streets of Beirut during the civil war in the 70’s. He was none too keen on sharing the faith with an Irish-American. Too proud to share the Faith with the pale-skins. But don’t judge an institution because one apple has a bad hair day.

    Here in the Dallas area we have a Russian Orthodox Church over in Dallas County with a couple of very out-going priests. I met them at a United Methodist Church where they were working with the unemployed and homeless.

    Then again, the Russian Orthodox Church is rather ‘closed’ in places such as Alaska. There they do the mass in the native languages. I met many great Russian priests in Alaska, but even they admitted that you won’t get the natives to talk to you unless you marry into the tribe.

    That said – I did a contract survey for a state park in Port Lions and met a very pretty evangelical teacher … she was already attending mass, and working to be admitted to the Church. The town basically love-bombed her into going. Her Bible-thumping background didn’t stand a chance.

    Guess if you’re a pretty girl, and you know a bit of the language, then they will definitely recruit you.

    Just try a bunch. It’s a lot like Protestant Churches in a way. I know ‘Evangelical’ Churches here in the Bible Belt where there’s no point to joining unless your grandpappy is buried in the cemetery, and others where you can hear the Holy Spirit from the sidewalk.

    Hope that helps.

  • Dan Knight

    Link to Antiochian Orthodox Church parishes: http://www.antiochian.org/parishes

    Link to Coptic parishes: http://www.coptic.org/north_am.htm

    The OCA (Russian Orthodox Church in America parishes) http://oca.org/parishes
    Note: I am not sure if the OCA and the Patriarchate of Moscow have reconciled and everything is ‘kosher.’ So please check. The OCA had to separate after Moscow was essentially subverted to a KGB arm – sort of like the Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association.

    The Russians have been working to overcome this, and officially I think it’s all worked out. Bottom-line: Can’t go wrong with an OCA church.

  • Jonny Rico

    The United States has been leading the war on terror for the past 14 years. It is literally the only thing both parties have agreed on with the exception of a bi-partisan bail out of the banking industry on the tax payers dime. To win this war, we need at least another 30,000 troops on the ground, but unfortunately that wouldn’t be good for shareholders. Insurance companies would have to pay death benefits and weapons producers would lose billions. Both are lobbying congress right now to continue the war forever. Russia sells weapons to ISIS and the United States sells them to Ukraine. Meanwhile, we meet with Putin every few months for tea and selfies.

  • Grandmere

    You could have made your point without the first word in your post.

  • Grandmere

    Crackhead? C—? Is this the way you choose to present your “reasoned rebuttal” in debate. Your high school debate coach would kick you off the team so fast your head would spin like something from The Exorcist.

  • Grandmere

    If they didn’t take care of it 1400 years ago what makes you think they will take care of it now?

  • Grandmere

    Did you mean to post this to Julie?

  • Grandmere

    I got news for you. When he comes he is going to EXECUTE judgement on all of the wickedness on this earth.

  • Grandmere

    Why are you here, Reynauld? Did you come out of curiosity? Did you come to taunt Christians? Was that fun for you? What you need to know is that we are accustomed to insults, taunts and invective. You will not change our minds. Just sayin.

  • Grandmere

    If you knew anything about Islam and its history you could answer your own question. Don’t be lazy and expect us to do your homework. Your life depends on it.

  • Grandmere

    Jesus prayed that we would be one. His prayer will not go answered. There will be a nuclear fusion of believers. Stay on your journey.

  • Grandmere

    They may even turn on us! We all need to think about that possibility.

  • Grandmere

    Did you come her because you don’t have it figured out and are seeking answers to honest questions and doubts, or did you come here to sneer and make fun of those who are the seekers?

  • Grandmere

    Have you paid to be frozen after your death? Just curious because of the name. Not calling you names. Just might give me better insight into your argument.

    • Julie LaBrecque

      I gave him some names to ponder above, he’s just a parrot.

  • Lili

    They should do away with all the world’s religion. The killing of only one person for your beliefs is never justified, and both Christians and Muslims are at fault. Modern-day Christianity isn’t savage anymore, but it once was. Muslims are just the ones being highlighted at the moment. ISIS should be wiped off the face of the Earth, but so should religion. I can only imagine how many lives could have been saved had religion never been invented.

  • Grandmere

    I share your belief that these Christian men are in heaven. My prayer is for you that you will find peace and hope in Jesus. Many are finding him in these dark days, Sending love to you.

  • Grandmere

    Salt, soap and matches

  • Grandmere

    Mankind has attempted to plumb the depths of depravity as well and it looks like they are getting close to the bottom. That happened once before. In the days of Noah.

  • Grandmere

    Can you give us specifics on the reason these 21 young men deserved this?

  • Grandmere

    Read Walid’s book God’s War on Terror. Go to You Tube and search Walid Shoebat. You will find the answers you seek. Listen to your Catholic family here. God bless.

  • Grandmere

    The US is the most philanthropic nation on the face of the planet. First and best in every disaster, natural and man made. We are, however, losing our power as we are losing our reliance on God. Sad but true. No insult to you. Just stating my opinion.

  • Grandmere

    As part of the Axis Japan sided with the Muslims and bombed Pearl Harbor, siding with Hitler Now you hate Muslims and still hate The US. Thanks for letting us know that. Let the boycott of Japan begin.

  • 1Bobby8

    Exactly Julie, I even had one guy tell me when I brought up the Christians being persecuted in the Middle East, that they weren’t “real” Christians…That’s when I realized I was speaking to a gullible moron who bought into a bill of goods.

    • Julie LaBrecque

      I saw a post somewhere that said the same thing – idiots of the first degree, I wanted to reach through the internet and strangle him till he repented. These slanderers of the Copts couldn’t hold a candle to these people.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    “If we allowed competition…” This competition is what the government is taking away. Wake up.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    It’s more expensive because we are paying for other people who don’t pay, or don’t pay as much. The government has no right to take over any industry, they manage to screw up everything they ever do. Our government formerly had one agency, the Panama Canal Commission, that actually produced income for our country, but Peanut Head took care of giving that away. Idiots.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Thanks for calling me a nasty names, guess you did that out your hatred for me? I know what Obama is all about, who his mentors were, and what their agenda is. Frank Marshall Davis and Bill Ayers as mentors and friends ought to be enough of an indictment of Obama for a person with a clear mind.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Nice language, I happen to be female not male. The babies that are legally being slaughtered are in the same category as the Christians that are being slaughtered all over the world.; they are totally innocent.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    He could step in and slay you, is that what you want him to do?

  • Julie LaBrecque

    I’m not getting your point. The books that you are calling Apochrypha were canonized.

    • Andy B

      Canonized by whom? This is my point.

      The apocrypha writings were never included in any bible other that the Alexandrian texts. They are extra biblical writings written by man. The bible on the other hand is written by God, or more so the personage of Christ through the holy spirit.

      Why don’t you quote Shakespeare concerning God? It’s as relevant a writing as the apocryphal writings and just like Shakespeare, the apocrypha will do nothing for furthering the word of God. It’s extra biblical dribble and garbage

      • Julie LaBrecque

        You really believe (as do Muslims), that God actually WROTE the Bible? Tell me something – in your OT, do you have a story that would explain the people being referenced in Hebrews 11:35-36, those who would not accept deliverance and endured tortures in hopes of achieving a BETTER resurrection? What about the Feast of Lights that Jesus celebrated in John 10:22? The Catholic Church CANONIZED THESE 7 BOOKS and NO MAN is authorized to remove even one. Your hero, Martin Luther, also wanted to remove James, (epistle of straw, should be thrown in the stove), Jude, Hebrews, and Revelation (it didn’t ‘reveal’ anything). Explain why there are over 300 quotes from the SEPTUAGINT in the NT. Explain why the Church Fathers, way before the Church canonized the Bible, quoted from these books?

  • Julie LaBrecque

    And, like Paul, they are making up for those afflictions that are lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of his body, the Church. Their martyrdom will produce much fruit

  • Julie LaBrecque

    It is in Romans 11. You spoke well; Christianity is the fulfillment of the Jewish faith. If you care to read about this from the perspective of Jewish converts, get ‘The Mystery of Israel and The Church’ by Lawrence Feingold, and/or ‘Salvation is From the Jews’ by Roy Shoeman, highly recommend both.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Nicholas Copernicus, Johannes Kepler, Loius Pasteur, Gregor Mendel, Alexander Fleming, Antoine Lavoisier, Michael Faraday, Roger Bacon, Andre Ampere, Galileo Galilei, John von Neumann, Georges Lemaitre, Stanly Jaki…do any of these names ring a bell, champ? Guess what, they all believed fervently in God, and everyone of them were Catholic. Get a life.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    The Catholic Church is the entity that decided which books were the inspired Word of God, and those 7 books were included, the protestants removed 7 books, plus parts of Esther and Daniel from what they call their Bible. Jesus referred to events that are recorded in these books, as did the Apostles. Those 7 books were included in the Septuagint, which was a translation done in Alexandria, Egypt by 72 top Jewish scholars of the Hebrew books into the Greek Language.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Rumor has it that Rick is in RCIA classes.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    If no one else does.. ? Thank you for your service. Freedom, as you know, comes at a high price….blood.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Talk about having an archaic way of thinking: ‘find me the closest place to hang myself.’

  • That is a great testimony. I was just telling someone today that when we touch the persecuted church its when everything starts to change! I was raised Catholic. I know many debate the “language” but I can say I did not hear the gospel call, knowing Christ as my Lord and Savior until I was 20. I did not start reading the bible until I was 20. Studying the scriptures for myself opened up so much for me I did not understand. But I was still Catholic when I heard the gospel from a Protestant. I was mentored by a Baptist minister, but stayed within Catholicism for 5 years after making a decision to leave. I went into evangelicalism (Baptist) at 25 and was baptized at 25. Of course, and it is no lie, in learning to study scripture, withing evangelicalism, come the attacks upon Catholicism. I myself shared in them too. I did a short stint within Pentecostalism. It was not long before I could say I found an area of “evangelicalism” wrought with errors.

    Again it was upon touching the persecuted church all of my views began to change. I did some mission work in Central Asia and upon returning I became a Voice of the Martyrs representative. Shortly thereafter, in 2009, two separate Catholic churches were blown up in Iraq. Many Christians were killed. I honestly struggled. I immediately saw them not only as “better” than me, but also more closely aligned to the true faith than me. I thought the Catholic church was the anit-Christ? So should I pat the Muslims on the back for destroying the anti-Christ? Or was it the anti-Christ who attacked Christ’s church? I think it was the latter. What made me rethink so much was seeing the Catholic martyrs in Iraq and the middle east.

    Then came the Voice of the Martyrs reports of the persecuted Copts in Egypt. So I was sharing this as part of my work with VOM. But who were these Copts? I knew almost nothing about them, but I did know they were being persecuted for Christ.

    Fortunately I’ve met many well learned Orthodox (and some Catholic) on this site. Particularly the Orthodox, it helped me to understand a side of Christianity I honestly never really knew was there or paid attention to. When I was in Central Asia, it seemed as if the Orthodox church was looked down upon. Some painted it as almost like it was a “dead” faith, un-involved. Now I know the Orthodox were probably there a thousand or more years.

    I don’t completely disregard Evangelicalism because I know within it are many sound Christians, who know the word and want to serve Christ. Further, I wish there was more explanation of the faith to Catholics so they are not left gullible or susceptible. Some of the Catholics I met here made me think Catholicism was not explained in any deep fashion to the extent some here know it (not when I was Catholic.) I know, I used to ask all sorts of questions that were seldom answered. Additionally, I wish the Orthodox had a more focused evangelism of their faith. There are only two orthodox churches where I live and one is known best for its Greek Festival every summer.

    Where I came from you were Catholic because you were Catholic and there were some who were Orthodox because they were Orthodox. It was the evangelicals that were out carrying bibles, preaching the word, answering questions, teaching you how to share your faith. That is what drew me in and when it comes to the relational aspects of the faith, still draws me in. But there is something beautiful in the Liturgy that unfortunately is absent in evangelicalism in addition to the holiness it displays.

    Stand firm Nicole and let nothing move you. Keep always being prepared to share the hope that is inside of you!

    • Grandmere

      I love you, Vinnie.

  • Grandmere

    He even said we were blessed when they do these things. I say “bring it on”, “may I have another, please”. PS: I love your sweet smile!

  • Julie LaBrecque

    What a fool-tell us what Apostle founded your church. As I recall, King James was not in attendance of the Council of Carthage nor the Coucil of Hippo, please advise if you have any historical document that states otherwise and I will retract.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Sorry, the flood happened, the next flood will be one of fire.

  • Grandmere

    One day you will have to come down from your tower, kneel, and say out loud the Jesus Christ is Lord. It will happen. You will do it. I have warned you. Your soul will not be required of me.

  • Grandmere

    It will be too late for you to change your mind then.

  • Grandmere

    You are free to exercise non belief. But I’m warning you that there is a price for interfering in the life of a seeker.

  • Grandmere

    So uncreative that you have to re-post the same old tired invective. You are boring.

  • Grandmere

    Didn’t you know? The Indian Christians are under intense persecution. They are a poor and oppressed minority. If India gets into the mix they will be sending Hindu soldiers. They also have a very large Muslim population. The two are always going after each other. They gang up on the Christians for the “fun of it”.

  • C20

    Speak decently. Disqus has name calling rules.

  • C20

    He was printing gold Dinar coins for oil purchases to remove the petrol dollar. So, taken out. O takes anyone out who doesn’t want to use dollars.

  • C20

    He is, right. Jesus was murdered and came back to life to show that life is eternal. All have free will to choose Christ or choose Satan. He did not step in because his purposes are greater than ours. Those 21 met Jesus that day.

  • C20

    And Phoenicians were archaic too with their high technology that our scientists and astronomers couldn’t even understand until the last 50 some years? You have free will. Free will allows you to reject Jesus Christ without even having found out who he is through his own words.

  • C20

    NO. The 21 are with God in Paradise. The killers will pass someday and be thrown into the pit of everlasting anguish.

  • I’m reading article after article about the ‘jihadists’ – ‘radical
    islam’ – ‘islam’ – ‘ISIS’ – ‘ISIL’ – ‘IS’ — I’m watching television
    news – ‘CNN’ – ‘FOX’ – MSNBC’ – etc.
    I just heard Bill O’Reilly, on FOX News, call on ALL clergy in the US of A
    to force obama’s hand – to do whaever it takes to eliminate the
    jihadists/ISIS/ISIL..etc.
    He, obama, MUST do his presidential duty – or be replaced/impeached.

    Call your local churches – talk with your local clergy – get on the
    phone and/or internet with your ‘State and LOCAL Representatives’ —
    URGE them – DEMAND that they do what MUST BE DONE to FORCE obama to
    initiate a ‘PLAN OF ACTION’.

    ‘IF’ this isn’t done now – A.S.A.P. – the United States of America/The Entire West
    will be absolutely destroyed and will be forced to succumb to ‘I-S-L-A-M’.

  • jmstalk

    Obama is to blame for ISIS because he pulled our troops out before the country was ready to defend itself AND HE KNEW IT.

    Take a look, we are still in Europe and Japan and South Korea holding a line against evil on their borders or shores even after all these years. Do you think we could have managed to stay in Iraq until we fixed what we broke by invading in the first place??

    Also, America has to lead the world against evil. We are the only ones with the capability, knowledge, intelligence, and skill. These Middle Eastern nations cannot go after ISIS alone. They need leadership and training.

    Look, Chas we can fight them over there, or we can wait until they are on your doorstep…either way, we are going to be fighting them because they are not going to stop coming, just like the whites never stopped coming across the plains of America 200 years ago. So you choose, where do YOU want the battle to unfold?

  • Grandmere

    I too believe this

  • lgcamp

    This video is very peculiar. Watch it again and notice that all the muslims are much taller than the Christians, even when the Christians are standing up. Also, watch the covered mouth of the speaker. He is not speaking Arabic but English. This is not a translation of what he is saying. Watch when he says words that begin with a “p” sound and you will see that he is indeed speaking English. Not to say they couldn’t have an English-speaker among them, but it’s just one of many anomalies. I believe this is Hollywood type stuff. The captors are made to be taller to show their dominance. This is a fraudulent video… for so many more reasons that I detect. If this video frightened you, then this Hollywood-type effort has been successful.

  • CairoJet

    I’m really curious as to what percentage of a donation actually goes to the cause?!

  • Chris Janick

    I cannot believe people are talking about health care in the comments below. Did they not see the ISIS video I just saw? Are Grandparents claim they did not know about Hitler’s concentration camps until after there liberation. What will are excuse be? With modern technology we are damn near seeing this in real time. There should be NO discussions of domestic issues until the free nations of the world rise up and eliminate ISIS from the face of the world. There should be a coalition that includes Iran, Russia, China and all European and South American countries. The world should unite over this issue.

  • Eric Mueller

    My heart, thoughts, and prayers go out to the people in the
    first few minutes of the Persecution of Christian Copts video. My God, I cannot imagine what that would do
    to someone psychologically, to watch the father being hung right in front of
    you, not to mention what sort of damage it would do to children. I wish that we could just bomb ISIS already and wipe them out so these people could live in peace but unless there is some kind of movement
    with a large group of people, I do not see baraq doing anything to stop
    this. He just does not care. I may not be with these Coptic Christians
    physically but I am most definitely with them mentally and spiritually.

  • Eric Mueller

    Let me put forward some thoughts on this beheading video. You can reply or not if you wish, it does not
    matter to me much right now. What gives
    these terrorists the right to behead 21 men like they did? What gives these men the right to burn
    someone alive and videotape it? (I know,
    I know, it is Satan but follow me here, I’ll get to my point in a moment) I tell my parents that if these 21 men were
    murderers or rapists it might be different but they are NOT murderers or rapists they are Christians. Coptic Christians who believed in God and not
    Allah or Mohammed. I like what Phil
    Robertson said a while back of either converting ISIS or killing them. Trying to convert them though, to try to convince them
    of God, after watching all the horrible videos that I have is laughable. ISIS simply does not care about words and
    trying to sit down with them face-to-face and talk to them about God and
    Christianity would be like having Marie Harf sit down in front of them to talk
    about jobs. Laughable. Like I also tell my parents, from what I’ve
    seen it is like the saying: It’s my way or the highway. Only with ISIS it is their way or death.

  • Dan Knight

    aversa, I’m not qualified to answer the question, but I know the net has quite a few ‘wrong’ answers.

    The best answer is that the Deuterocanonical books were eliminated because they do not conform to the Hebrew Bible. The answer is not a great answer, but it’s still the best one. The Hebrew Bible as it exists today only goes back to about the 19th century, but it reflects the post-diaspora traditions of modern Jews. Bottom-line: After the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD, Jewish authorities re-examined what constituted Scripture. Frankly, the discussion is not straightforward, and anyone who says it is would be misleading.

    But for example, most of the books of the Septuagint that were not part of the usual library of the Synagogues were discarded. The Septuagint was written in Greek and represented those books recognized by Hellenized Jews. Many of these Jews likely belonged to less orthodox sects.

    A good many bad answers suggest the Fathers burned good books and canonized bad books, or even the reverse. The following link is from a faithful person trying to work this out: http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/nicaea.html

    I’m not endorsing his work, but he’s pointing out a few false answers. This gives you an idea of how confusing the issue is.

    The wiki article on the subject has several flaws according to my swiss cheese brain alarm, but it offers an insight into how complex the issue is and it might get you started:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon#Canons_of_various_Christian_traditions

    Remember the Roman canon and the Orthodox canon are not the same. However, I’ve personally heard Orthodox scholars of the highest level suggest the Roman canon is entirely Inspired, and that Roman scholars were too timid in excluding the books they (the Romans) excluded.

    The exclusion of books from the canon by the Protestant reformers does not seem to falsify or diminish the remaining canon, but the greatest damage is the idea that anyone can just up and cut out a book or a passage. The DC books offer their own insights and values as Scripture. They should not have been removed without the authority of the entire Church including every denomination respecting the Nicene creed.
    (Which would be difficult since all of those have closed their canons with the DC books.)

    Many of the Saints and scholars involved questioned the authority and inspiration of various books. No one should be allowed to toss out a book simply on the authority of one Saint or scholar. Obviously other Saints and scholars disagreed. The Holy Spirit gave us all different talents and interests and inclinations, and it is by design then that we see things differently. Sometimes we’re just wrong, but often this is because we only see one or two sides and not the others. More often, it is true that someone inspired focuses on only one view and misses all the others. Even though his focus is right, he’s spent so much time and effort neglecting the other views, he’s just out to lunch.

    I’m reminded of this when someone claims the Catholics added a slew of pagan material to the Bible, and then cites a Saint canonized by the Church! Oops!

    One last point: The DC books include a number of “historical fantasies:” Tobit, Judith, Enoch, bits of Esther, and bits of Daniel. That is, these books include fantastic elements that are a bit hard to swallow – much like the hair ball Daniel fed to the dragon. Yet, the books contain ‘truth’ found nowhere else – until archeology showed up. A good example is Tobit. The story is incredible, and would make a great Hollywood film, but it is about life in Assyria. Assyria was thought to be made up until it’s rediscovery in the 1830’s.

    And the hair ball (Bel and the Dragon) – the story of killing the dragon with a hair ball sounds crazy, but it makes perfect sense to anyone who has taken their dog to the vet to remove a toy.

    Hope that helps …

  • Dan Knight

    Great points.

    However, these are among the questions asked about the canonized books. If brought up by those who wanted to throw them out, the defenders had to answer the questions. That’s one reason clarity was lost in the weeds.

    God picked the books through the Holy Spirit. But how was that done? Most of what I’ve read on all sides agree the books selected came from nominations based upon the prevalence of the books among the Churches.

    In other words: These were the books Christians read aloud at all or most of the Churches.

    One example: Revelation. Many questioned its ‘Inspiration.’ I don’t know, but I’d guess the Smart Guys were uncomfortable with the apocalyptic language. In the end, they all agree to include the book because they realized that virtually every Church they knew of had a copy. They reasoned that if the Holy Spirit inspired every Church to have a copy of Revelation, it must be an ‘inspired’ book. Meaning the author was writing for the Holy Spirit.

    To your other question:

    Bel and the dragon: Daniel 14. It’s a Deuterocanonical text removed from Scripture after the Reformation. I’m not sure if it was included in the Appendices at the time, though the other books were usually left in.

    I mention it because it is consistent with the material removed: i.e. it sounds fantastic at first blush, but on the other hand why would anyone remove it? Daniel shows us how to destroy a false god by being clever. Who would object to this passage?

    In the passage it is an actual large reptile. The description suggests a twenty foot river croc from Africa to our modern mind. But it’s just any idol or stand in for Satan. The passage is not intended to illustrate animal cruelty. Daniel destroys the creature because it’s used as an idol by the priests of Bel (an alternate spelling of Baal).

    Also, as a consequence, Daniel is thrown into the lion’s den. Ironic.

  • Dan Knight

    Egg-heads. Thank you for your kindness, but we are posting comments on
    the net. I can’t think of any way to explain the skepticism towards the
    Book of Revelation other than ‘egg-heads.’ I’ve spent a lot of time in
    Universities, and people who have been given the God-given talent of
    ‘brains’ often confuse themselves by thinking their viewpoint or
    interpretation is the same as ‘Truth.’

    The ‘egg-heads’ of the councils deserve the label for doubting the book.

    At
    the same time: But they also don’t deserve the label because they
    accepted the book. True humility, and the ability to use one’s talents
    begins by recognizing everyone’s viewpoint including those who disagree,
    or are less educated, or hold lower social-status, etc.

    The men
    who chose the books of the Bible all wanted to conform their will to
    the Will of Jesus Christ. But they were all scholars. I don’t have the
    time to research it, but from memory I know many were scholars, lawyers,
    multilingual, aristocrats, diplomats, in a word – ‘brainiacs.’ None of
    them were rubes.

    They too ‘smart’ for Revelation. But the book
    got in when a spokesman for what we would call a sub-committee pointed
    out the ‘popularity’ of the book. (obviously, I’m really grossly over
    simplifying here) The brainiacs swallowed their doubts and voted the
    book in. The rest is history (and prophecy).

    So: They were
    egg-heads, but we should not hold that against them. They were men who
    made the right decision when they became aware of the Will of the Holy
    Spirit. We should be so lucky to have such leaders today in any field.
    We are fortunate indeed when we do.

    God bless.

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  • Julie LaBrecque

    I ‘get’ your drift. Liberals truly are not ‘liberal’ when you examine their practice – they deny the right to life to the unborn; they decide who does not qualify to be in their bleeding hearts.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Hillary’s ‘right-hand’ woman.