Muslims In Turkey Are Now Worshipping Erdoğan As God, One Turkish Man Refuses To Worship Erdoğan As God And Muslim Mobs Now Want To Destroy Him

By Walid Shoebat

The story of this one Turkish Muslim scholar who refuses to worship Erdogan adds much credibility to what we have been saying for years. Sacit Arvasi, a Muslim US-based Turkish theologian whose religious sermons are widely popular, blasted Turks for attributing divine characteristics to President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. He came out of the closet and confesses that previously he promoted the idea and now he recants it.

He admonished the Turkish people for considering Erdoğan to be worshipped as God. He revealed how everyone remained silent and he is upset why the Turkish masses are accepting such heresy.

Arvasi was so angry, he even made a spitting gesture at the silence and fear Muslim Turks are displaying. He even condemned his own silence, reminding how Muslim leaders said that “touching Erdoğan was an act of worship” and is astonished on how Erdoğan is now considered as “a second Muhammad”. The famous theologian said the most extreme one was to “liken Erdoğan as God”.

Turkish media began to attack Avarsi and Turkish Muslims did not take kindly to Arvasi’s admonishment to stop the Erdoğan worship. Most who lashed at Arvasi asked Muslims to ignore him since anyone who opposes Erdoğan is ‘terrorist’. They even exposed him as an agent of Gülen, a tactic that is done to write critics off:

“It was understood that the person who was spreading the videos was Sacit Arvasi, a member of Fetullahçı Terrorist Organization. On Facebook, recently, it was revealed that the terrorist named Arvasi lived in the United States, a praiseworthy order for FETÖ ringleader Gülen.”

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In other words, Arvasi’s admonishment to stop the Erdoğan worship, was not considered to be exposing blasphemy, but to critique such worship is tantamount to terrorism. So its “ignore him gentlemen and lets continue chanting ‘Erdoğan-u-Akbar’.

When decades ago we said that Turkey will produce a man who will be worshipped as God, many westerners with scant knowledge on Sufi Islam wrote us off, saying that Islam never deifies man. Till today, these critics never came back to apologize, of course.

One such scholar who was completely ignorant on Islam’s Sufi theology is David Reagan who runs an outfit called Lion and Lamb Ministries. Eight years ago, way before Erdoğan was worshipped, Reagan blasted us for predicting that Turkey will produce a leader who will be worshipped:

I’m sorry, but I find this very hard to believe. To me, that is like saying that the Muslims would be willing to agree that night is day and day is night. There is a limit to deception. A person would have to cease being a Muslim in order to believe that any man could be God.

Why do western critics always say “I am sorry” when they want to blast you, yet they never say “I am sorry” after they are proven wrong?

A good prediction has to be the type that is unusual and off the wall. Muslims worshipping a man as God is an unusual prediction. But for us, easterners, the Bible is an eastern book focused primarily on the Middle East. It is the best source on predicting the future of the Middle East, yet it is never used by any western forecaster.

Today we have such a man in Turkey, exactly as we predicted from analyzing scripture: President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.

His elevation to deity has divided Turks globally. In the U.S., the followers of The Gülen Movement, an anti-Erdoğan based activists led by Turkish preacher Fethullah Gülen, are calling on Muslim turks to denounce Erdoğan’s deification.

But Gülen is ignored and chastised as “terrorist” while the worship of Erdoğan continues as we provided several reports in the last years to prove our case.

No one can be 100% positive that Erdoğan is the Antichrist. But the Antichrist cannot be someone that the world already expects; the devil will surely cloud the eyes of people to see his son of perdition in opposite view from how the Bible describes the man of sin.

This is why many insist that the Pope or some politician from Greece as the Antichrist. They are being deceived.

But what other spot on earth matches Turkey as the land of Antichrist, especially that Erdogan and Turkey are “of the land of Magog”? What other man qualifies today but Erdogan to be “chief prince of Meshech and Tubal” (Ezekiel 38:3) which history scholars agree is Asia Minor?

But the deceived will say “this is Gog” who is separate from the Antichrist.

Yet these same people tend to agree that Antichrist “sits in Pergamum [Asia Minor],” the “seat of satan” (Revelation 2:12).

Turkey also qualifies as “king of the north” (Daniel 11:40) while has a “threat from the north” of him (Daniel 11:44) which is Russia. Antichrist’s territory represents the landmass of ancient Greece (not just modern Greece), where the only verse in the whole of scripture that pin-point where Christ marches towards is the direction for the north (Zechariah 9:14): “And the Lord God shall be seen over them, and his dart shall go forth as lightning: and the Lord God will sound the trumpet, and go in the whirlwind of the south”? And that text even tells us it “Yavan” Ionia which is in Asia Minor.

Can any Roman-centric theological seminary buffoon seriously answer these questions while avoiding Turkey?

Not in their wildest dreams. When you have DNA evidence, you will ultimately win in court. But this takes time and much patience. The Westerner has little patience which even increases with today’s Facebook dummies who mostly read the headlines. Easterners have the patience of camels in the desert.

No historian or geographer can find any other spot on earth, that could match all these requirements, unless they pin-point Turkey. No historian or biblical expert can pin-point any other “beast” (threat to Christendom) greater than the Ottoman Turks. Try picking Russia and Putin (since you argue that Meshech is Moscow), but north of Russia is an ocean and Russia is not Pergamum. Try picking Rome. While Rome has Germany to its north (that could be a threat from the north) but Rome is not Pergamum and neither is it “chief prince of Meshech and Tubal”. No matter what you jimmy-rig, only Turkey qualifies. No matter how you describe the Antichrist, from the figment of your own imagination; nothing matches unless all the verses; every single verse fits one man and one geography, perfectly.

BUT HOW CAN ERDOGAN BE ANTICHRIST IF HE DOES NO MIRACLES?
Is Erdogan the Antichrist? We do not know. We are to wait and see. But I do get some challenges. The Antichrist is said to be a charismatic politician, a religious figure and a Houdini type who does ‘signs and wonders’ ‘a miracle worker’ all in one. How then does Erdogan qualify to be the “Houdini of Houdinis?”

Answer: First of all, Antichrist does not do genuine miracles. His “working miracles” as Paul tells us are “lying wonders” (2 Thessalonians 2:9) where only his followers believe such miracles.

Secondly, he does not necessarily do these “lying wonders” himself; he does them via “three unclean spirits like frogs” (Apocalypse 16:14).

Thirdly, these ‘phony performances’ are strictly done to “muster the world for war at Armageddon”. These are not a circus Houdini style magical performances, but are “three ministers,” sent out towards three directions, calling the world to come to battle at Armageddon. All three points I just made here are exactly what the context says:

“And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. And he [the beast] gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.” (Rev. 16:13, 14)

So here is the text and context; does the Antichrist here perform these ‘fake miracles’ himself? No. Most people who focus on Bible prophecy usually believe the reverse of the text actually says. Why? Its because they focus less on wisdom and focus more on a puzzle. Look at the text where it says “here is the wisdom”. It does not ask for a Rubik’s cube expert.

He performs these “lying wonders” through his “three unclean spirits like frogs”. It is these “three unclean spirits” that do the work on his behalf as scripture clearly states. There goes out the window the circus Antichrist-Houdini.

Also, these miracles are “lying wonders” (not genuine miracles) that are done to strictly call the nations for warfare against Israel at “Armageddon”. All three points (1) lying wonders are (2) performed by three religious personalities (3) to strictly invite the Antichrist nations to come to war.

When it comes to prophecy, most formulate a figment of their own imagination. The figment then becomes the driving mold and not the scripture.

Antichrist sends out three religious figures towards three directions which can be constructed from scripture. From the east, one spirit calls the “two hundred million man army” (Rev 16:12). They come all the way from Japan, Indonesia, Uguristan, Afghanistan, Iran and Iraq. From the “north” a second spirit brings in Turkey, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan Turkmenistan (Magog, Gomer and Beth Togarma). From the south-west another spirit musters Sudan, Somalia, Libya, Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco and Mauritania (Cush and Phut).

All these converge towards Armageddon in the Golan Heights area.

The Golan Heights is the land below Syria bordering Israel. And now you know why Turkey wants Syria. Without it, there will be no pincer effect coming at Jerusalem from the east of Jordan to the north at Armageddon.

Think.

In other parts of scripture we have the “eagles” from the West “ships of Chittim” (Christendom) including the threat to Antichrist in Daniel 11:44 from the North (Russia is north of Turkey). These are led by “seven Shepherds” and “eight principled men” (Micah 5).

ALWAYS LOOK FOR WHERE GOD REVERSES THE CLOCK
Ever wonder why the prophecies speak of Antichrist the same way it speaks of Antiochus Epiphanes? Ever wonder why scriptures in Revelation 16 says “it is finished”?

Antiochus uses syncretism, mixing true theology with false religion. And so will Antichrist. Today we see Chrislam and much neo-paganism in the West mixed with Christianity. Things are moving along. In that event, Armageddon, even God’s clock rewinds to the same time and to the same place where Christ was crucified. This event even includes the same peoples who invaded Jerusalem’s temple. Antichrist in Revelation persecutes the Church (Christ’s Body), which parallels Christ’s suffering on the Cross. Notice Revelation 16:17 “there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done“.

Christ on the cross said “it is finished”.

Then “there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake” just as it was when Christ was crucified and on the same spot. Even the syncretism came as result of Jerusalem being taken by the Jews in 1967.

Then “came a great voice out of the temple of heaven”. God’s clock reverses to when Christ gained His First victory against the devil through His crucifixion and now His Second victory against the devil Antichrist at Armageddon.

Even the very same exact peoples who came against His temple: Legion X (tenth legion) of the Romans comes again comprising ten kings under Antichrist. Christ even describes these peoples depicted in His Crucifixion: “Many bulls have surrounded Me; Strong bulls of Bashan have encircled Me” (Psalm 22:12), who will be the same peoples as Legion X that converged on Jerusalem comprised of the same nationalities (Syrian, Turks, Arabs) and we find Christ combating the “fatlings of Bashan” in Ezekiel 39:18.

Bashan points to either Syria or Bashan in the Caucasus in the southern regions of Russia. This time around, it is Christ’s fury on His face where “the fishes of the sea, and the birds of the air, and the beasts of the field, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the ground, and all men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence” (Ezekiel 38:20). Christ is present there.

This is Jerusalem’s punishment. It lives in grave sin. The clock turns backwards revealing even the same pagan Roman style debauchery where Jerusalem is called “Sodom and Egypt” for it too (like Pharaoh) has become a persecutor of the saints and “Sodom” just as you see us being persecuted for exposing homosexuality. Today even Israel wants nothing to do with anyone who is anti-sodomy.

Only the Christians who withstand Sodom will be redeemed.

The clock even turns to when Lot (the church) is rescued while the traitors (Lot’s wife) who sympathize with Sodom are cursed.

There goes your ‘conservative’ Ann Coulters, turned into a pillar of salt.

God honors only the ones who complete (not bail out) the marathon; the five virgins who were “not of this world”.

ALWAYS UNDERSTAND ANCIENT ALLEGORY
So what are these fake miracles? In Apocalypse 13:13 it says: “And he [the beast] did great signs, so that he made also fire to come down from heaven unto the earth in the sight of men”. But this is speaking of a “beast with two horns” (v.11). If this is literal “fire coming down from heaven” are we to also expect that this “fire” performance is done by a Houdini looking like “a lamb” with literal “two horns”?

Modern people do not understand how the ancient easterners tell a story in parable format. John speaks in allegory, vision, sort of a dream, a piece of wisdom. He tells it in hints as a story of what the church has to endure throughout the ages after John departs. This is a theme that runs all the way through the end of the Apocalypse.

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Photo of Antichrist: from the One Thousand And One Idiots Guide To Prophetic Interpretations

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Now seriously, which of the two portraits that more resemble the Antichrist? The portrait provided by the idiot who made the photo on the left? Or the portrait made by the possible idiot (me) who made the photo on the right?

Never interpret Revelation word for word. Listen to it like a story:

“And I saw one of his heads as it were slain to death: and his death’s wound was healed. And all the earth was in admiration after the beast. And they adored the dragon, which gave power to the beast: and they adored the beast, saying: Who is like to the beast? and who shall be able to fight with him?”

“He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed”?

John is dispensing prophecy in story telling format. Imagine being children and your father speaks of a beast coming after you. A beast is a threat. The obvious interpretation is that the prior beast kingdom which threatened and persecuted the children of God was wounded. John simply tells us, that this same beast is coming back to life again to hunt down God’s children once more.

So figure out the first beast, and you will figure out the second beast, including the very peoples involved.

This is simply a revival of a wounded kingdom—not an individual. After Rome, which was eventually christianized, the greatest persecutor of the Church was none other than the Muslim Ottoman Empire, which will revive again as the eighth head being a replica of the seventh. John was not only referring to the time of the end, but to the seventh kingdom which will re-arise as the eighth, in the end (Revelation 17:10-11). It is crucial to keep in mind that Prophecy was intended for the whole of Church history and not just the end-days. Revelation 9 for example was commonly interpreted to be the Ottoman.

WHY ARE SO MANY CONFUSED (THERE ARE ALWAYS TWO CAMPS)
There are always two camps. Even the confused are two camps. In modern times many Catholics study prophecy exclusively from seers, while they ignore scripture; while another camp, the Evangelicals, these study prophecy from scripture alone without the fathers. I happen to have delved in all camps: Muslim, Protestant and now Catholic. What can I say. The Lord works in mysterious ways.

Even the errors repeat twice. Israel missed Messiah’s first coming and when Christ comes again, we have five unworthy virgins missing the wedding. Everything repeats. Even during Israel, one camp had Messiah as the “suffering Messiah” (Messiah son of Yousef) while the other camp had the Messiah Who will “defeat Rome” and will be “King Messiah” (Messiah son of David).

Then Messiah showed up. And He was one Messiah coming twice.

So where the Rabbis wrong? No. It was the duty of each individual faithful to seek with all their strength in putting the two puzzles together. Both camps in ancient Israel were correct. Messiah will be a “suffering Messiah” and will also defeat pagan Rome by converting it later through His seed. What people lacked was the patience of Job.

Similarly, we also have the same beast coming twice; the “first beast” comes out of the sea to conquer one half of Christendom in Constantinople. Then that same beast gets a death wound and is buried in the earth to later come back out of the earth as the “second beast” to conquer the other half of Christendom: Rome.

When I was Muslim we used to say: “first we conquer Constantinople and then we will conquer Rome”. The Islamic threat  comprises the two beasts and the day when I studied scripture (as Muslim) it all came together.

The prophecy is for the whole of church history. Yet you still have people trying to find both beasts coming at once in the end times. Why? Its because the first beast (the Ottoman Turks) do not match the Vatican whom they insist is the “first beast”.

There is always two sides with one side that hates the other; a Cain and an Abel. One loves an elaborate service to God. So he (Abel) sets an animal sacrifice with fire and all, where the smoke pleases God’s nostrils. The other (Cain) simply offers fruit. Nothing changes. Today we have one side who goes elaborate and burns incense to please God’s nostrils. The other side says that God has no nostrils so he offers grape juice.

So which side is right and which side is wrong? The answer to this is very simple. Just google and see which side hates the other and mouths off the most. Always remember, Cain hated Abel. Find the hate and you found Cain. Find the quiet one who does not even consider the hatred and you found your Abel.

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Holy Smokes. Abel loves to dress up for the King’s Son’s wedding and loves Holy Smokes. He is always accused of nearly setting the church on fire. Cain on the other hand is known by his gluten free and alcohol free sensitivities by banning whole wheat Communion including all the Holy Smokes, since, Cain says “it causes cancer”. It will matter little to Cain if Antichrist bans gluten, the alcohol, and all the smoking that goes with it, while Abel prefers to die before he gives up his 2000 year old habit since old habits never die.

Christ always defies the interpreters who were limited. But only the meek were able to see it. Some had a piece of the puzzle, while others had the other piece, just as it is with Antichrist where John has one piece while Daniel has the other piece. The wise examines both pieces. The wise consider two comings, two beasts (the first out of the sea and the second out of the earth where the first was buried).

The problem is that whenever someone puts the puzzle together, the masses oust him out, since this new puzzle builder does not conform to either side of the two camps, yet he does, by putting both camps together. Yet the two camps refuse to unite. This, the puzzle builder has no control of since one camp has to accept Holy Smokes.

It is that new “John the Baptist type” who all camps reject. This is why he is a voice that “cries in the wilderness” and he is not found in the halls of the churches. People must go out of their way to meet him and listen to his instruction crying “prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight his paths.”.

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  • OH MAN! I COULD BARELY SIT AND READ THROUGH WHILE NOT EXPLODING WITH EXCITEMENT!

    First, that video of the theologian was clearly making references to the referendum to take place in Turkey on April 16 (Easter, celebration the Resurrection of Christ while the devil try to hijack it by declaring the Ottoman resurrected too?). Hoo, boy, he was on fire!

    Second, here is another nail to add to the Turkey-centric Antichrist theory. The passage you cited from Revelation 16, the river Euphrates…there is a reason why Erdogan authorized the military operation called Euphrates Shield. That is like God is using the bullhorn trying to tell us all of us to get ready because the mystery of the Apocalypse is about to get fulfilled.

    Third, the comment about the fatal wounds being healed was literally fulfilled on the day of August 9th when the columnist, five times hinted at Erdogan causing the wounds to be healed, that is the wound of the so-called July 15 coup. Here are the sample quotes:

    “When it came to calling the Chief of General Staff Gen. Hulusi Akar to the stage, I think our president is very skillful in healing the wounds[…] And by presenting Akar to those people, he healed a wound[…]When the people see him and hear his voice, they feel resurrected and he feels resurrected when he sees the protective and embracing attitude of the people…And it is a gain for Turkey. Our president is not only a leader but our destiny.” Source.

    Only blinded fools will not read this and rush to Church to repent and recant every slanderous accusation levied against the Vatican.

    St. Ireneaus, in Against Heresies, Book V, Chapter XXV, 1 wrote, “For he (Antichrist) being endued with all the power of the devil, shall come, not as a righteous king, nor as a legitimate king, [i.e., one] in subjection to God, but an impious, unjust, and lawless one; as an apostate, iniquitous and murderous; as a robber, concentrating in himself [all] satanic apostasy, and setting aside idols to persuade [men] that he himself is God, raising up himself as the only idol, having in himself the multifarious errors of other idols.”

    Holy smoke, when one reads this from St. Ireneaus, one can recall to mind every accusations levied against Erdogan, that is being impious, unjust, lawless, iniquitous and murderous, and soon (maybe?) making himself the one idol for many to worship.

    What an exciting time!

    • Kamau41

      All of the points you made are power packed and really puts everything in perfect context to this article. Referencing too St. Iraneous’s writings, especially nails what is exactly happening in our Era. Everything is surely coming together and unfolding right before us.

      • Yeah yet as Walid says over and over, we must be patient like Job.

        Lord knows I’m not patient. My childhood nickname was Little Oscar because my grandfather, named Oscar, was a jitterbug when it came to being patience.

        • Grandmere

          I’m gonna zing you with that one day. lol

    • Grandmere

      How well I remember that editorial, Trevor. The fake coup went down while I was on vacation. I see the coup as a kind of “lying wonder”. The people swallowed it hook, line and sinker, having been primed by the clerics, politicians and the media. The casual reader would have to read these Turkish newspapers to see what you and I are talking about.

      • If it’s isn’t in the New York Times or the Washington Post, they wouldn’t know it. So thankful that we have this small think tank going.

    • “First, that video of the theologian was clearly making references to the referendum to take place in Turkey on April 16 (Easter, celebration the Resurrection of Christ while the devil try to hijack it by declaring the Ottoman resurrected too?). Hoo, boy, he was on fire!”

      I think this is worthy of research and an article by Trevor. Will be glad to post it including your Euphrates Shield.

      • Here you go, Constantine.

        In a letter to Turkish youth, the Prime Minister urges them to vote “yes” in reference to the April 16 referendum. Turkish youth is defined to be between 18 to 30 years of age. Additionally, the PM congratulated them for their involvement in resisting the July 15 coup.

        More here…

        http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-pm-sends-letters-to-youth-asks-for-yes-vote-in-referendum.aspx?pageID=517&nID=109827&NewsCatID=338

        Once again, the parallelism between 1930s rise of National Socialist of Germany and the Islamist Religious and Justice Party of Turkey are so similar.

        • Dan

          Ck your link Trevor, I don’t think it’s working.

        • You see what I mean?

          I specifically offered you to “I think this is worthy of research and an article by Trevor. Will be glad to post it including your Euphrates Shield.”

          Did I get a response of a Yes or No?

          No.

          I got a continuation of your comment without a response.

          Instead, you would choose to post your information on a comment instead of having thousands read it. What a waste of time.

          Another example, Chinese. He posts comments about how he is excited on what we write about China. Ask him to interview to help his people’s voice to spread and he retracts.

          I try to ask people to help the cause of Christ and they do not want to. They prefer to discuss on a comment section believing they do the Lord a service. Its a waste of time. I give up. Chatter away.

          • To be honest, I completely misread your comment. I would do it in a heartbeat.

            It took, I think, the 3rd time after reading your comment I finally got what you meant.

            My apologies for not catching it sooner.

          • Don’t worry about it. Its not the first time I go through this. Remember when that priest came in (Fr. Matthew) and said that Theodore desecrated the holy of holies when he filmed that sodomite priest? By the time it was all ironed out working with THREE (not one priest) at the high level via emails, Fr. Matthew retracted his accusation which was false. Yet he never came in here to post that he was wrong. Julie LeBrech of course saw his initial comment and when I tried to reason with her, I even emailed her and yet I never heard from her. They formed their false opinion. She said she wished we all stop talking about it. Other commenters came in scolding Theodore with slander that he desecrated the holy of holies. It was all nonsense. At the end of the day we were stuck with the slander with Fr. Matthew nowhere to be found. He was a coward of the first degree.

            Then I had Grand which I tried to reason with her and now she vanished with her nose up that she “will not discuss it” bla bla bla.

            I even explained the difficulties with all the issues on how its difficult to confirm every story. Zero consideration to my reasoning.

            I really give up this time. Its not you, its most of these friends whom when I try to reason with, they are nowhere to be found.

            This will be my last comment. I am done with this comment section and prefer to delete what I do not like and stop trying to reason with people. They do not realize what kind of damage they do with there words.

          • Trevor

            I do remember that.

            If the offer still stand, I will be more than happy to write an article on, “Is there a connection between ‘Euphrates Shield’ and Revelation 16?'”

            I’m sorry you are done commenting because I enjoy hearing from you personally, and it’s one of the first things I do when I get on disqus to see if there’s something from you.

            I hope you and Grandmere can iron out these differences.

          • Don’t worry about it, its all straightened out. Let me know if you still like to do the article and I will be glad to post it.

          • Trevor

            I most certainly will, and please give me some time to do some research. When I’m ready, I’ll email it to Theo as I have his email address.

          • Take days, weeks, months, no rush.

          • Dan

            I’d sure like to see it because I’m scratching my head over this discussion with Walid. We don’t even have an AC yet let alone people that have already recieved his mark. How does Erdogan’s ES have anything to do with Rev 16?

          • susan

            This is so heart breaking Walid. I’m truly sorry for my careless words. Ted keeps uncovering and reporting the truth long before the rest of us catch on and then i latch onto it like it was mine to begin with. I owe Ted and you and Maria an apology. Please forgive me.

          • No you didn’t. You simply did not see my message. It happens.

  • RodK1975

    Erdogan is definitely antichrist even if he isn’t the Antichrist… if he is the Antichrist, I’m sure at some point he will claim he’s had a theophany and has been endued by Allah with the power of Muhammad…

    You’re right, so much will be missed because so many have built up in their imaginations how they think everything will transpire… we would all do well to open our minds and let God do His work and wait while watching intently… many have become too comfortable in their own salvation and that is mighty dangerous ground to tread…

  • HolyFire

    Catholics have done excellent work in this field. Islam is yet to conquer the West. The errors of Russia i.e. Communism, already have (this aligns with the Catechism and Our Lady of Fatima, and the Church’s work exposing the principles of Freemasonry/Humanism). What percentage of the Western world is Marxist Communist or National Socialist today? The vast majority.

    Catholics were right. Islam and Communism are birds of a feather. Both systems essentially proclaim man as god and have leaders/governments that make themselves god.

    Nevertheless as you said, you offer an integral part of the picture. We took our eyes of the beast, the Ottoman empire, once she was ‘wounded.’

    Great piece!

    Can we thread the needle together here with a previous article you’ve written?

    This is a quote from you (I have a few questions below):

    “Who would have imagined, that Paul today, would be so attacked by many of these Judaizers calling Paul a false apostle. This is done “to abolish the gospel of Christ” just as Paul and the Fathers predicted would happen. And now these arise to destroy and reject these prophecies etched by Paul, just as St. Bellarmine exposed.

    Sure, Messianic Judaism was sparked as a syncretic movement that combines Christianity—most importantly, the Christian belief that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah—with elements of Judaism and Jewish tradition. But it also proves that schismatics will always evolve into other sub-schisms, where all these will be led by none other than The Antichrist. Can the reader see how this astonishing deception works?

    This, in itself is incredible. St. Bellarmine confirmed this phenomenon from quoting Ambrose and others:

    Ambrose, in 2 Thess. II, asserts that he [Antichrist] will be circumcised; Jerome teaches in his commentary on Daniel XI that he is going to be born from the Jewish people; St. Martin teaches that Antichrist is going to command that all be circumcised according to the law, and St. Cyril asserts that he will be exceedingly zealous for the temple of Jerusalem to show himself to be from the progeny of David. At length, even Gregory says that Antichrist is going to keep the Sabbath and all the other ceremonies of the Jews.

    Isn’t this what we see today that never was before? It is also confirmed by Irenaeus, Theodoret, Cyril and Ambrose: “He will argue from the Scriptures that he is Christ.” “he will deceive the Jews who await him.”

    Satan “will argue from Scriptures”. And if using Scripture is an argument of sainthood, was the devil a saint when He used scripture to argue with Christ?”

    Source: http://shoebat.com/2016/11/13/prepare-for-antichrist-turkey-declares-war-on-christianity-all-of-turkish-schools-are-training-muslims-on-how-to-murder-christians-muslims-in-turkey-are-now-beheading-pastors-while-protected-by-the/

    Could Erdogan claim to be Jewish? If not, how do you see him deceiving Israel from the scriptures?

    Could the Antichrist declare war on Israel because they, or at least a remnant, convert to Christianity prior to his declaration of war upon them?

    Will the Antichrist conquer the whole world for a season, say 3.5 years, before his empire begins to break down and spark Armageddon? I remember in the past you rejected this notion that the Antichrist would rule the whole world.

    Thanks, Walid!

    • I know Ahmad El-Nijad spoke on his Jewish roots. I have covered what you discuss in much detail here:

      http://shoebat.com/2016/11/13/prepare-for-antichrist-turkey-declares-war-on-christianity-all-of-turkish-schools-are-training-muslims-on-how-to-murder-christians-muslims-in-turkey-are-now-beheading-pastors-while-protected-by-the/

      But one question I had for you. I have spoken to Catholics who believe there is an era of peace prior to the coming of Antichrist. I disagree as I expressed here:

      http://shoebat.com/2016/12/08/is-donald-trump-the-great-monarch-or-a-cyrus-as-predicted-by-so-many-prophecies-is-he-one-of-the-seven-shepherds-who-will-defeat-the-antichrist/

      What do you think.

      “Could the Antichrist declare war on Israel because they, or at least a remnant, convert to Christianity prior to his declaration of war upon them?”

      I do not know the answer to this.

      “Will the Antichrist conquer the whole world for a season, say 3.5 years, before his empire begins to break down and spark Armageddon?”

      The whole world, no. I cover this here:

      http://shoebat.com/2012/04/18/where-is-america-in-bible-prophecy/

      “I remember in the past you rejected this notion that the Antichrist would rule the whole world.”

      Still do.

      • HolyFire

        Good question…

        We’ll have to wait and see.

        There isn’t a man among us that has ‘everything’ figured out when it comes to prophesy. We do the best we can and adjust as the situation continues to unfold, as you’ve done throughout your years documenting Bible prophesy and its interpretation. I see you as a prominent expert and researcher in the field, maybe the best out there. Only God knows for sure.

        It’s clear from the body of work I have studied from both Catholics and you, the overall trend is ‘accurate.’ The West has fallen to communist ideology and the beast in the east, Islam, is rising. I see two parts of the picture that perfectly fit together.

        We’d be fools to ignore or dismiss offhand Our Lady of Fatima and the Miracle of the Sun that accompanied her messages:

        You have not ignored Our Lady of Fatima. I distinctly remember you and Andrew making references to Fatima on occasion since I’ve been following your work. The point is simply that there is a reason so much hype and confusion surrounds Fatima (its completely ignored or unheard of for most Catholics). The devil fears Our Lady’s message!

        From memory, the era of peace was promised upon the condition that a pope along with all his bishops consecrates Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. I don’t believe there is sufficient evidence to prove this consecration ever happened despite claims to the contrary, and I know the disunity in the Church under Pope Francis specifically (and since Vatican II in general) is far too fractured to bring about such a consecration (not to mention Francis is obviously a liberal with socialist/communist leanings himself).

        Thanks for the article links brother, I’ll definitely read them.

  • AnthonyM

    Very good, and informative.
    Beautiful song. Stabat Mater, the Mother was standing (full of sorrow).
    Can’t believe Lent is here in a few short weeks. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust.

    • Looking forward to Lent.

      • susan

        Me too. Thanks to you. 😀

  • Even historically, the Turks have been a far more brutal of a people than even the Arabs were in their time. Anatolia itself originally belonged to the Byzantines before they came from Central Asia and stole it from them, toppling Constantinople in the process…

    • susan

      Thank you for the Anatolia lesson. :). I looked up the meaning.

      “From Ancient Greek ἀνατολή ‎(anatolḗ, “sunrise, place from where the sun rises, the east”), from ἀνατέλλω ‎(anatéllō, “I rise”), from ἀνά ‎(aná, “up”) + τέλλω ‎(téllō, “I perform, accomplish, rise”), because Anatolia was east of Greece”

      No wonder the devil wanted it.

  • katz

    ISN’T IT FUNNY HOW HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF, SATAN SEEMS TO LIKE MEN WITH MUSTACHES,, THERE WAS HITLER AND NOW ERDOGAN, WHO WILL BECOME A HITLER WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE ANTICHRIST,

    I BELIEVE THIS IS THE ASSYRIAN THE BIBLE SPEAKS OF

    • Darren Neufeldt

      Hi Katz, not sure if you are aware, but typing in all caps is considered yelling when posting to pretty much everything on the Internet.

  • Thank you brother Chris, I can understand how difficult it must be when you go against the tide.

  • Kamau41

    Very encouraging to hear how much you have learned on this site. Continue to remain with us on this journey.

  • Hail Mary, the Lord is with thee! Blessed are thou among women, and blessed be the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.

    Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of death. Amen.

  • Grandmere

    We can always count on you for a drive by.

    • David W

      After readng LaHaye and Jack Chick tracts for years, the brain starts to drift…haldol, STAT!

  • Grandmere

    Wow! I guess you sleep better now that you have it all figured out.

    • David W

      We got a great big load of FOO, it was bound to happen. The Jack Chick tracts are now online for all the haters…glad the Shoebats are our Foo Fighters!

  • chinese

    “From the east, one spirit calls the “two hundred million man army” (Rev 16:12). They come all the way from Japan, Indonesia, Uguristan, Afghanistan, Iran and Iraq. From the “north” a second spirit brings in Turkey, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan Turkmenistan (Magog, Gomer and Beth Togarma). From the south-west another spirit musters Sudan, Somalia, Libya, Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco and Mauritania (Cush and Phut).”

    “the “eagles” from the West “ships of Chittim” (Christendom) including the threat to Antichrist in Daniel 11:44 from the North (Russia is north of Turkey). These are led by “seven Shepherds” and “eight principled men” (Micah 5).”

    Thanks Mr Walid for pointing clearly the Countries that fight for Antichrist. I have great interest also on the Countries that fight for Christ against the Antichrist. I believed strongly that many of the readers here also wished to know.

    Example you had mentioned that the strongest of Fortress is USA. Perhaps you can help to identify the other eagles and ships of Chittim. Thanks and GOD bless.

    • Did you read my last message to you?

      • chinese

        Dear Mr Walid,

        I am deeply honored by your message, however I preferred to lead a simple life and would be grateful to be able to just stand at the lowest corner of Heaven if Jesus is willing to let me in upon my death.

        • We wanted to do an entire year project documentary and spend a few thousand dollars on the project.

          Theodore spent a week calling Chinese professors all the way in China and several local Chinese experts on the issue and they too did not want to speak on the atrocities fearing the Japanese.

          You too follow on the same track.

          Finally one Chinese told Theodore the truth, that the Chinese fear speaking out from the Japanese because they want “peace” with Japan. Its the same story with the Jews who want peace with the Palestinians.

          Therefore, why should I stick my son’s neck on the line for a people who live by fear of the devil? We face threats all the way from Japan to the Middle East. All your comments with hip hip hurray way to go Walid seems like encouragement when in reality its a one sided endeavor from us.

          Therefore, I will drop the project. Let China and Japan break each other. I give up.

          Good day

          • Wilma Mills

            Walid, a little joke for ya…

            What a Calvinist’s favorite day?

            Election Day.

  • “You follow a text written in Latin which was never the original text.”

    You follow a text written in English which was never the original text either. In fact you quote from it:

    ” As Jesus was saying these things …”

    • Grandmere

      BOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • “BOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

        I repented from causing explosions, but this grasshopper asked for it. Grasshoppers have no wisdom. When I was a kid I used to pluck their legs and wings and fed them to my pet sparrow.

        • Grandmere

          That’s okay. It only requires a firecracker to blow up a grasshopper so I think you are safe.

          • Great idea Grand. Now I can train other little fat grasshoppers to wrap a series of firecrackers in a suicide belt. Like this one:

          • Grandmere

            I can’t help myself! That video was the bomb! ROFL

          • Oh man! That take a special type of stupid.

            I can’t stop laughing.

          • Stephen Dalton

            As Bugs Bunny would say, “What a marroon!”

          • Kevin Nicholson

            A Darwinian eugenicist no doubt!

          • Kevin Nicholson

            “Even the very same exact peoples who came against His temple: Legion X (tenth legion) of the Romans comes again comprising ten kings under Antichrist.”

            Amen, here is wisdom:

            “For it is written: “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay, says the Lord.”” Romans 12:19b

          • bubba

            stupid and funny at the same time.

          • Стефан Евгений

            What a dumb Ivan !!!!!

    • Kamau41

      Now that was a rocket launcher. You have totally obliterated the grasshopper.

    • racarrera

      Do these people not see how ignorant they look when writing such rubbish?

  • Funny you say those because half of the prayers are found in the Gospels.

    What Jesus said about those who hear and obey doesn’t cancel what Mary did because she obeyed and kept the words of God.

    Checkmate.

  • Are you by any chance related to this poor fellow:

    • Tom_mcewen

      He must be a follower of Al-Ghazali, on cause and effect. Definitely the man I want on point looking for land mines in his socks.

  • I am still going to call Mary blessed because she prophesied that all generations will call her blessed.

    She did the will of God by accepting her calling to bear Christ, that’s why among Catholics and Orthodox she is given the title, Theokotos, meaning God-bearing.

    The line, “Hail Mary, the Lord is with thee,” is the same greeting the angel Gabriel greeted her.

    “Blessed are thou among women and blessed are the fruit of thy womb, Jesus,” is how Mary’s cousin, Elizabeth greeted her.

    “Holy Mary, Mother of God,” that is another title given to Mary by Elizabeth as she exclaimed, “How is it that the mother of my Lord should come?”

    Finally, “Pray for us sinners, now and at the hours of death,” is an acknowledgment of Mary as our Mother since she is the also the Mother of the Church.

    A saint describes Mary as the New Eve, as Adam called his wife, Eve for she was the mother of all living, therefore, Mary is the last Eve who undid the damage Eve caused through her being deceived (Mary reversed Eve’s punishment by obeying the command of the angel Gabriel). Christ is the Last Adam because through one man disobedience, death came into the world, Christ, through His obedience to the point of the cross, brought life. Mary brought the Savior of the world.

    As a Christian, I chose to honor Mary and praise God for choosing a woman to bear Christ when Christ could have simply showed up.

    God is still exalted just as Mary said, “His mercy is upon those who fear Him,” because ultimately, it is God who is being praised.

    Again, checkmate.

  • Kamau41

    UTTER NONSENSE. What does this even have to do with the article?

    • Nothing. As Walid likes to say, grasshopper being grasshopper.

      • Kamau41

        Exactly!! Typical as usual, nothing new.

  • susan

    28 He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”
    Luke 11: 27-28

    Do those who hear the word of God and are disobedient to it inherit the Kingdom of God?

  • richinnameonly

    Walid, I believe a person shows wisdom and humility by naming himself as a “possible idiot”. I’m serious! Great article.

  • You copy your comment VERBATIM from CARM:

    https://carm.org/mary-full-grace-and-luke-128

    And then you claim its your work. Plagiarism.

    Secondly, you take Protestant translations as if this makes it true.

    Question to you: Isaiah 7:14 says that:

    יד לָכֵן יִתֵּן אֲדֹנָי הוּא, לָכֶם–אוֹת: הִנֵּה הָעַלְמָה, הָרָה וְיֹלֶדֶת בֵּן, וְקָרָאת שְׁמוֹ, עִמָּנוּ אֵל.‎
    therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: a maiden is with child and she will bear a son, and will call his name Immanuel.

    The word “Almah” according to the Jews means Maiden and not “Virgin”.

    Almah is a young maiden of the age of puberty.. Gesenius defines the word as a “girl of marriageable age”.

    Without understanding this to mean “virgin” we have no virgin birth in the Old Testament.

    How do you solve this issue in the Old Testament to make this word mean “virgin”?

    Watch how you now will go through hoops and use the Septuagint and all the Catholic resources to solve the problem.

    When you are done and you get back to me, I will show you how you are wrong about kecharitōmenē to strictly mean “favored one”.

    Now go and do some homework instead of copying and pasting. You could learn a lot more.

    • No matter how jenny Lynn try to argue, she does not realize that the Scriptures are in perfect harmony.

      What Mary said is confirmed by Christ’s own words. There is a sense of divine harmony.

      She keeps getting herself checkmated.

      • susan

        Hopefully, she’ll listen to Walid’s advice and search for the truth. He’s taken up a lot of time with her so he must see a glimmer of something.

        • My experience tells me otherwise. Usually it causes them to dig their heels in.

          It took me a long time to understand why Mary is venerated. Now I have no problem whatsoever because she is part of God’s redemption plan for mankind.

          After all, God’s reputation is built on His abilities to keep His words, no matter how long it takes to become fulfilled.

          What He promised to Eve was confirmed in the Isaiah prophecy and fulfilled in the Gospels.

          God is faithful to His own words and He cannot break His words.

          • susan

            I’ve noticed the devil fights very hard against true knowledge of Mary. It may not be required but why would you want to be without her? God chose her to give birth to His Son. Every mother knows what that is like. To nurse Him. To burp Him. To change His diaper. To kiss His face. To wipe away His tears. To clean his scraped knees. To watch Him love His creation. To suffer and die for them. It’s one of those things that’s like faith. The truth is there. Belief is required in order to receive it.

          • Стефан Евгений

            well said.

      • racarrera

        Laughable.

        • Trevor

          Yeah, it is, and a tragedy at once.

          • Tom_mcewen

            Yes, when someone attacks Mary, because God acts are limited by what God can do and not do in their understanding I get worried. We at our baptism are made immaculate, we have not gained salvation, just a clean white board, Mary was made immaculate in the womb and kept immaculate by grace. Eva and Adam were immaculate, that is not a problem for her, but Mary is, something in Jennylynn hates the material world and the flesh.

          • Trevor

            I agree.

            I also believe Mary, like the prophet Jeremiah and St. Paul the apostle, was consecrated to God from the womb of her mother.

      • Tom_mcewen

        She has the original Greek and Hebrew Scriptures? Where did the reformers find them in 1611? In the bottom drawer of someone’s desk? The church has always held that the bible should if possible be kept in fixed languages like Greek and Latin not in language that continues to change, leading to what she is guilty of. Books have plots, she lost hers.

  • David W

    Walid’s book, God’s War On Terror, details the blasphemous claims of Muhammed, with his followers literally drinking the blood from his wounds, and even eating his excrement! If you thought drinking camel urine was bad, wait until you read his book!

    But wait, there’s MORE:

    http://shoebat.com/2016/06/20/check-this-out-erdogan-possessed-by-the-devil-dines-with-a-transvestite-during-the-muslim-holy-month-of-ramadan/

  • See how you changed the subject?

    • jennylynn

      See the parallelism?

  • Tom_mcewen

    You exceed the normal level of scholarship for a protestant. Christ was giving Mary praise not condemning her, you added a meaning that is not there she heard God’s word and did it of his own free will. Two the bible is not been added too by Catholics, it was assembled and approved by Catholic councils both of which was attended by noble honorable bishops like St Augustine in Hippo and Cartagena in 397AD, that bible was Greek not Latin and today the bible is still Greek not Latin, not English but Greek. The gospels were testified by the fathers who know who wrote Mark Luke Matthew John and added their names to the gospel. St Jerome did a good job of translation after living in Bethlehem for 40 years and knew his history culture and languages, far better than the translators of the King James. God always gives new names to people he uses, Mary’s name is Kecharitomeno, St Jerome could have translated Chaire Kecharitomeno as an action preformed completely in the past and existing throughout time being grace itself. The Christ referred to Woman not as a protestant insult but to call attention to the Women who would come in Genesis and the woman in Revelation. She is the hingle of history. When you hate Mary then you God’s word. She did his word, you don’t.

  • Wilma Mills

    What’s a Calvinlist’s favourite day?

    Election Day

  • Tom_mcewen

    No Catholic worships Mary, if the word worship was used it is in the British sense when you greet a magistrate or mayor, not as in God. You have no knowledge or Empirical evidence of what speak off. The catechism of the Catholic Church is available on line for free, you can start there, it starts on the Nicene creed and continues. It is very well written and easy to read. You could go to an actual mass and get actual empirical evidence and not repeat endlessly on what someone else has told you, that is being honest. In protestant theology Mary is dead and the dead can’t be said or aware so the felling you assign to her is not possible. Mary is exactly what the council of Ephesus said she is, no more no less, John the apostle was the bishop of Ephesus and Mary lived with him, when John went to the council at Jerusalem Mary went with him so Luke knew her. Next this fairytale of bible believing Christians, there was no such thing, there was no bible until after the councils of Hippo and Cartagena ending in 397AD, it took two hundred years of debate and exhausting examination of the writing of the apostolic fathers, the Greek and Latin fathers to separate out the apostles Writing from non, but excellent Theology to give the bible. There are zero Writings and zero ruins and zero history of what you speak of. The entire Roman empire both east and west was Catholic before the bible was assembled and testified too, so there was no sunlit academies of people debating the bible, zero, just the Catholic Church teaching. This death of bible believing Christians comes from a book published in 1836 by a Baptist pastor named Charles Buck, it is false history, if you read Ignatius the apostolic father who walked with John for 40 years with the bishop Polycarp, Ignatius is the man who popularized the word Christian, he defined what attributes a Christian must have, the John 6:66 People are not Christian. You bible is corrupt, example, John 3:16 .. Whomsoever believeth in him shall have everlasting life.. the Greek says … Whomsoever obeys him.. because John’s gospel is about obedience, not believing and the next is May Have eternal life because you can obey Jesus but there is a final judgment by God which you may fail. Try rereading Matthew. Before you respond gain some personal knowledge, not what the protestants have told you. God is the creator of space and time, not it’s prisoner. The science of God is not the science of the 15th century. The Catholic Church teaches Logos Divine Reason and Creative Order, what you call in the Protestant bible the word. If you examined the Universe using physics you will see the rational mind of God in its creation. There is no space nor time for God, this is the science behind Chaire Kecharitomeno and the Eucharist. Ignatius was dead on about the John 6 :66 people. Read the catechism covering the creed. There is 894 pages and I believe all it because it comes from the apostles, the apostolic fathers, the Greek fathers and the Latin fathers, I believe zero of the zwingli and Luther fathers you hold.

  • Tom_mcewen

    Where is that in the catechism, this is protestants making up tales. You must mean co-redemptrix, which she is, I am an every Christian is it is Latin a language you now doubt no without error. It is not English and co do doesn’t mean equal it means with. She is part of God’s plan as I am. You could get an education or continue in slander. You claim you are a mind reader and know what is in people’s hearts, but really is what is your heart. Read the catechism, every thing we believe is in it all 864 pages, protestants don’t even have more then a paragraph to bind 44,000 separate protestant churches together do you, tell me what all Protestant confessions hold in common, the first 200 will be fine.

    • jennylynn

      You follow doctrines of men and claim they are from God. None of your mariology is in the Bible nor is it scriptural. Here is what the Bible says about JESUS and saving us alone, fighting for us alone and receiving glory alone.

      Isaiah 42:8
      8 “I am the Lord, that is My name;
      I will not give My glory to another,
      Nor My praise to graven images.

      Isaiah 63
      63 Who is this who comes from Edom,
      With garments of glowing colors from Bozrah,
      This One who is majestic in His apparel,
      Marching in the greatness of His strength?
      “It is I who speak in righteousness, mighty to save.”
      2 Why is Your apparel red,
      And Your garments like the one who treads in the wine press?
      3 “I have trodden the wine trough alone,
      And from the peoples there was no man with Me.
      I also trod them in My anger
      And trampled them in My wrath;
      And their lifeblood is sprinkled on My garments,
      And I stained all My raiment.
      4 “For the day of vengeance was in My heart,
      And My year of redemption has come.
      5 “I looked, and there was no one to help,
      And I was astonished and there was no one to uphold;
      So My own arm brought salvation to Me,
      And My wrath upheld Me.
      6 “I trod down the peoples in My anger
      And made them drunk in My wrath,
      And I poured out their lifeblood on the earth.”
      God’s Ancient Mercies Recalled

      Isaiah 53:4-6
      4 Surely our griefs He Himself bore,
      And our sorrows He carried;
      Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken,
      Smitten of God, and afflicted.
      5 But He was pierced through for our transgressions,
      He was crushed for our iniquities;
      The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him,
      And by His scourging we are healed.
      6 All of us like sheep have gone astray,
      Each of us has turned to his own way;
      But the Lord has caused the iniquity of us all
      To fall on Him.

      1 Peter 2:24
      24 and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.

      • “You follow doctrines of men and claim they are from God.”

        Wow we never heard that before.

        ” None of your mariology is in the Bible nor is it scriptural. ”

        Wow we never heard that either.

        “Here is what the Bible says about JESUS”

        Wow none of us knew these verses before. You are just amazing.

      • Tom_mcewen

        I don’t do verseology, but 44,000 protestant different confessionals do, if you were even the smallest part right there would be one interpretation not 44,000. You do English of 1611 I do Greek of the time of when the gospel was written and the understanding of the apostles by the diciples who were taught just not by you. Can see any corolations between what you quote and why 85% of Europeans has become agnostics and atheists, rather then believe your mush?

  • Tom_mcewen

    But you don’t believe in the Eucharist do you, no more then Zwingli or Calvin. Have you read Ignatius on heretics?

  • Tom_mcewen

    You’re

  • WELCOME HOME BROTHER JESS. WELCOME HOME.

    It took me decades to finally find the truth. I hear you. wish I heard this in person so that I may embrace you. My wife actually found your comment and brought it to my attention. Stay with us and share with others your joy.