THE KEY TO UNLOCKING THE SECRET IMAGE OF GUADALUPE: A First Of Its Kind Research In History Revealing Hidden Code In The Image That Will End Islam

 

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By Walid Shoebat (Shoebat Sunday Special)

The crescent curse is upon us but God has already announced the victory in one fascinating image. Our research provided here is not only the first of its kind in history, but it also reveals hidden codes, not just in regards to the Aztecs of Mexico but hidden messages that Muslims will comprehend, and that will further reveal Mary’s role in the destruction of Islam. These messages that were never discovered until now in this fascinating presentation.

The time is now. Muslims are lifting up more images of the crescent moon, more than any other time in recent history, attempting to swallow the Cross. God responds with Genesis 3:15, Revelation 11-12 to also etch these prophecies in one fascinating Christian image: Our Lady of Guadalupe. Such images ended much bloodshed. It is a myth to think that such images were exclusively made to end the bloodshed by the Aztecs of Mexico. For in Europe, these ended centuries of Muslim invasions in Spain sending the Muslims back to north Africa. No matter how bad things get, ultimately, the Cross will always prevail against the crescent.

So how will Muslims today view such images? Enter a fascinating discovery.

Never before has any research been done to explain how Muslims would view such images. Whether one believes in sacred images or they trust only in the biblical account, the message is the same. Our Lady’s image for example, does not defy Scripture in any way shape or form. The name Guadalupe is purely Arabic and the image will speak volumes to relate to Muslims in the coming wars just as it was for the Aztecs.

THE KEY TO UNLOCKING THE IMAGE
Firstly, what is the image’s goal? It is to reverse misconceptions, not just about God, but about Jesus, St. Mary and the false theology of Islam which we shall detail in light of the image.

God in the image tells His enemies that He functions in reverse of His enemies’ thoughts. In Isaiah God said:

For as the heavens are exalted above the earth, so are my ways exalted above your ways, and my thoughts above your thoughts. (Isaiah 55:9)

The unredeemed upon the earth will always attempt to exalt their standards, yet God will always exalt His, bringing low the gods of the unredeemed. Thats it. This is the crux of the whole issue of the Lady’s image which will speak volumes to Muslims in ways never known before in history until now.

This concept is proven in Genesis 3:15 where God proclaims that His victory is accomplished by His defeat: “you [the devil] shall bruise his heel”. This was defeat. Indeed, Christ’s death was defeat from the world’s view, but was victory from God’s view and also the view of the redeemed of the Lord.

Victory therefore is not defined by God’s enemies. These deceive themselves since the ultimate victory is accomplished through her [St. Mary’s] seed, “he [Messiah] shall bruise your head”.

Therefore, the whole concept of the image, is that Lucifer’s head is brought low. The “head” and the “heel” are the crux of these depictions we find from archeology. Pagan images lift Lucifer’s symbols like the crescent. God’s images ultimately bring them low as in the Lady’s image. Islam lifted the crescent to the highest pinnacle where in John’s Apocalypse 12 it is brought low beneath the woman’s feet.

And there is more. The theme of this image is not to be fulfilled exclusively once in the Apocalypse as commonly interpreted by some, but to be fulfilled continually (Europe, Mexico, and later the Middle East) as to show God’s continual victory over the devil by lifting up God’s banners in reverse to His enemies wishes.

In addition, just the simple ‘reversal’ of these symbols shows Muslims that Christianity did not evolve from Mithraism as many Muslims accuse. The Lady’s image denounces such corruptions by simply setting the record in proper order where what is on top must be brought low. There is heaven (highest) and then there is the pit of hell (lowest).

But besides the archeological realm, the image brings to repentance Christians enamored by Islam. So many well intended Christians searching for a morsel of peace within Islam, instead of looking at the crucial differences, peddle the similarities with Christianity saying that ‘the Quran honors Mary’, ‘announces Jesus as Messiah’, so on and so forth. Yet here comes the Lady’s image proclaiming a fundamental principle that ‘difference is what makes all the difference’. The Lady’s image by revealing these differences debunks the Quran and blows Islam’s ship clearly out of the water (more on that later).

Not only does the image debunk Islam, but it reveals its origin and exposes paganism’s theft from the true message. The image of Diana for example, where we see the crescent on the top (the head), our Lady reverses this where the crescent is under Her feet in her image.

False accusers completely keep key issues out. The notion that Mariology evolved from Ishtar worship was not represented mainly by a statue with a crescent moon on Artemis’s head, but by a black stone which was worshiped in Ephesus identified as Artemis (Acts 19:35). This resembles Islam’s black stone and not Mariology. Our Lady’s image brings these low. This is a huge difference that is completely ignored.

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Many twist this saying that the crescent in Our Lady of Guadalupe is lifting up St. Mary. But Scripture as well makes it clear, “the moon under her feet”. This reverses what was stolen. As Christ said: the thief comes to steal, and to kill, and to destroy (John 10:10). He steals what is true and makes forgeries in order to cause death where “all who hate me love death” (Proverbs 8:36). This is proven from every non-Christian cult that was and is still out there today. By defeating these, God brings life, ending bloodshed and ultimately brings in long lasting peace.

Therefore, what we find in pagan archeology are simply manmade forgeries from true originals prior to St. Mary’s image which rebuts the agenda of the unredeemed who claim that Christianity evolved from paganism. Such claims therefore are simply done by building on similarities while ignoring the differences. This trick is what generates volumes of worthless reading material claiming that Christianity borrowed from the “Norse Trinity” that the Vikings themselves were Trinitarians or that Jesus is a copy of Horus, Mithras, Krishna, Dionysis and other pagan gods or that Mary is Mother worship of Ishtar as “Queen of Heaven” warned about in Jeremiah 7:18 …

And while much worthless material is written, it takes double good work to refute them. Yet understanding this key locks the door preventing the thief an entry.

GUADALUPE DEFEATED ISLAM IN EUROPE WAY BEFORE THE AZTECS IN MEXICO
The name Guadalupe and its significance links to the struggle with Islam much more than the struggle in Mexico when the image came in 1531. There was another icon that played a similar role: Guadalupe de Extremadura. It was a much older image connected to the Spanish Reconquista and the ultimate victory over the centuries-long Islamic invasion of Spain. It is said to have been carved by St. Luke the Evangelist and given to Saint Leander to be brought to Spain’s Extremadura province where it remained until the Muslim Tariq Ibn Ziyad and his armies crossed the Gibraltar towards Spain.

When I was Muslim, our history books taught that this invasion was the pinnacle of Islamic expansion into Europe for the ultimate victory of Islam’s iconoclasm over the Cross in 711 AD.

Being the typical iconoclast, Tariq Ibn Ziyad, after conquering Spain transformed churches into mosques including the Church where this ancient icon of Mary was located. It was said to be hidden at the Guadiana River, also known as the Wolf River, or in Latin, lupe, where Muslims controlled the area and kept the name given by the Spanish, but referred to the local river using the Arabic term wadi (valley, oasis) and hence the name stuck and the river and the surrounding area came to be known as wadi lupe or the way the Spaniards said it: Guadalupe.

This western version, while correct, misses how a Muslim would see the name. The West is unaware that we have a wadi lupe in the Sinai, another in Saudi Arabia and yet another in Yemen (more on that later).

But as I lived in Mexico, while Protestant at the time, iconoclasm still appealed to some residues left in me from my Muslim traditions. But despite this, the name Guadalupe always rang a bell in Arabic. It is Wadd-a-Lubba which means God of love is in Her core (heart).  (more on that later).

Had I remained Muslim, the image completely reverses the very five foundations we believed in. It reversed the myths and upheld God’s original message; a woman is involved and she is not to be ignored especially that she is stomping the crescent and her name is Waddalubba which means God of love is in Her core (heart).

This name construct was no accident.

To confirm that names meant much to a Muslim, there was also another Our Lady of the Almudena and like Our Lady of Guadalupe of Mexico it too had the crescent moon under her feet and her name had a message that reversed Islam’s foundation flipping it upside down.

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Almudena is commonly known in Spain to mean ‘the citadel’. But Almudena is purely Arabic (مئذنة) and has zero meaning in Spanish. But what the West misses is that in Arabic Almudena means a different type of ‘citadel’ than commonly known by westerners. It strictly means the minaret.

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This type of citadel adds a crescent moon on top. So why destine the name of our Lady to be called Almudena? Was St. Mary Muslim and is now lifting up the crescent?

Hardly. The very image of Almudena brings the crescent low, below Her feet. To a Muslim, this naming Almudena calls St. Mary as the true citadel and here she points to Allah as lucifer and his symbol under her feet. Al-Mudena is a construct of two words: “Al” (the) and “Mudena (minaret). She is not just any minaret, but the minaret. And since a Mudena’s purpose is to proclaim loudly and audibly, five times a day to gather everyone for prayer, here The Citadel, the true Almudena’s image persists to proclaim loudly her participation to obey and fulfill God’s wish:

For the day of the LORD of hosts
Shall come upon everything proud and lofty,
Upon everything lifted up
And it shall be brought low— (Isaiah 2:12)

Mary herself declared this in her Canticle, quoted in Luke’s Gospel:

He has shown strength with his arm; he has scattered the proud in the thoughts of their hearts;
he has brought down the mighty from their thrones and exalted those of humble estate (Luke 1:51-52) 

Her message reverses the whole purpose of Islam bringing low the corruption of the truth, reaffirming John’s Apocalypse 12. This prophecy is not to be fulfilled once as commonly interpreted by some, but to be fulfilled continually (until the day of the Lord) as to show God’s victory over the devil who thought he won Europe by enforcing Islam in Spain.

In 712, prior to the capture of Madrid by the advancing Muslim forces, the inhabitants of the town secreted the image of the virgin, the patroness of  Madrid, for its own protection, inside the walls surrounding the town. In the 11th century, when Madrid was reconquered by the King Alfonso VI of Castile, the Christian soldiers endeavored to find the statue. After days of prayer, the spot on the wall hiding the icon crumbled, revealing the statue. Another version of the story says that as Christian soldiers approached the town, they had a vision of Mary imploring them to allow her to lead them into the city. Again the miraculous crumbling of the wall occurred, with the icon showing an entry route through the walls.

The Lady simply reverses Muslim logic. Again, in Genesis 3:15, it is through defeat, “you [the devil] shall bruise his heel” yet the ultimate victory is accomplished by her seed, “he [Messiah] shall bruise your head”. The “head” and the “heel” are the crux of the whole matter. Through the Church’s defeat in Spain, God was eventually victorious as Almudena stomping Allah the crescent, revealing the true citadel.

This is exactly what happened when the third icon involving the war with Islam was found: The Guadalupe de Extremadura. Therefore, the Lady’s image and its connection to battles and victories against the devil was not exclusive to Mexico’s 1531 massive conversion of Aztecs. Nearly two centuries prior to this, the Guadalupe de Extremadura after being lost was miraculously found centuries later in 1326 where a shrine was built in its name. It was the discovery of the image that rejuvenated the Christians under Portuguese King Alfonso IV and Castilian King Alfonso XI and in 1340 dedicated a pilgrimage to the new Shrine of Our Lady of Guadalupe, entrusting the battle to St. Mary in accordance to Revelation 12. They and the Catholic armies met the forces of Islam at the Salado River in Seville reversing the course and driving the Muslims back to Morocco and bringing down the crescent where it belongs, below the feet.

THE NAME ‘GUADALUPE’ IS ARABIC AND PACKS HUGE MEANING TO MUSLIMS 
It is here were we enter a fascinating discovery. As the great Fulton Sheen said, “Our Blessed Lady will carry the Moslems the rest of the way to her Divine Son.” What is generally known by westerners about the name Guadalupe somewhat relates to Arabic where Guada stemmed from Wadi (Arabic), for “river” “oasis” “valley” and Lupe is Latin for “wolf”.

But a Muslim would read it differently. Prince Shakib Arslan was known as “Prince of Eloquence” (amir al-balagha) that is the eloquence of the Arabic language. He was an influential Muslim writer, poet and historian who travelled in the footsteps of the Muslims who invaded Spain. In his book “What Arabs Said About The Geography of Andalusia (Spain),” he calls “Guadalupe” as “Wadi Al-Lubb” “وادي اللب”.

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Shakib Arslan “our photo in the mosque of Codova taken 1930”

To a Muslim, this makes a major difference. This is the same way any Arabic speaking scholar defines Guadalupe. Why they do this is simple. If a scholar in the Arabic carefully examined how Guada is pronounced in Spanish and how Lupe is pronounced in Arabic it gives an entirely new meaning. Firstly, the “G” is silent (Wadda) and the “p” is always pronounced as “b” (Lubba) since there is no “p” in Arabic. So if you ask any Arab, “say Waddalupe,” he will say “Waddalubba” or “Wadi Al-Lubb”. Try it.

If we stick with the pronunciation Wadd it also means “love” and Lubb means “heart”. This packs much for Arab linguists since Arabic is an ancient rich language and these words put together packs a whole theological meaning that opposes Islam completely.

Besides the emphases in Arabic that Wadd means “love” it also means “desired” while “Lubb” is “gem” “heart” or to be more specific “core”.

For example, the ‘lubb‘ of the atom is its nucleus. The ‘lubb” of the earth is its core. The ‘lubb‘ of the fruit is its core seeds. The “lubb” is literally “heart” and Lubba is “Her heart” or “Her core”.

Lubba also means “her neck,” but not just any part of a woman’s neck, Arabic is very meticulous. In Arabic it is precisely where a woman places the necklace on her neck. So if a Muslim would specifically look at the lubba in the image, he will find a brooch with a black cross which recalls the agony of the death of Jesus Christ on the Cross for the salvation of all mankind. Black here is significant of death and is the attire of sorrow which women dress for forty days. Lubb in Arabic is also wasitat al-qilada (see #4), which signifies “the jewel,” “the purest and best from all,” and a symbol of sanctity. Wasitat also means the intermediary as the cross here is the bridge between man and God.

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This “heart” symbolism is clear from the Arabic. But this is not only in the Arabic naming. The experts on Guadalupe would agree that besides what we discovered here that in the image the: “Sacred Heart as we depict it with flames above it. Only in Guadalupe and Fatima apparitions have this sign on the hand appeared which shows they are related.”

On a side note, Fatima (Muhammad’s daughter) is another subject matter for another research, for it says that St. Mary is the true Fatima and not Muhammad’s daughter whom the Shiite adore as Christians would adore St. Mary.

So what happens when we combine the two words wadda and lubba?

There is more to the Arabic than we explained here. While the root wadd and lubb are significant, wadda and lubba are even more significant since the ‘a’ in the end pertains to a woman (her). Wadda-Lubba in Arabic becomes a packed message. It could mean “love is the desire of her heart”.

Yet if we use wadd in its most common usage it literally pertains to a male deity which means “the god of love”. But what we have here is wadda which strictly means her god of love. Wadd is also regarding someone most precious to a woman, a husband or an only son or firstborn. Adding lubba, the construct becomes rich: Her God of love is in Her core (heart) and is her only son.

The use of lubb (core) is no accident. It is no wonder why in Italian the word core is literally heart and in Spanish corazon is also heart: the core.

In other words, the message becomes clear that the desired one, this God of love Who is desired, Who is most precious to her, her jewel, this male Son Deity, is in her inner core or what she contains in her inner being Who constitutes love who is also God Himself. Therefore She is pregnant with God.

In essence Wadda-Lubba (Guadalupe) has a response to Islam. This “Wadd” (love) is Christ Who was in the Womb of Mary and is why Christians say “blessed is the fruit of your womb (lubb), Jesus.” In her womb (lubb) always resides the seed and it is this “fruit of Her womb” that is this blessed one.

Adding the image to the name, the construct is remarkably parallel with Christian theology. She is Queen and is the loving Mother and Christ is her Heart and is Her love and He (Jesus) is the very essence of love and He is Her desire as The Father’s only Son, conceived as man in the womb of the Virgin Mary.

There are no better Semitic words to use than these two Wadda and Lubba to construct such a message. Anyone objecting that two words (there are actually 4 words adding the “a” at the end) construct such meaning need to only examine Arabic dictionaries and see that what we gave here can be found in the Arabic rich Al-Balagha (eloquence of Arabic). In Arabic, just the word lion has 346 names. It is no wonder as to why the Arabic language is used in concordances of the Bible, where the Semitic languages, including Arabic, add richness to the meaning.

The premise I set here is not without merit. What scholar of Islam and Arabic can deny that from Arabia’s pre-Islamic times and even in Islamic theology, Wadd was proclaimed as a title of God. We have in Islam Allah as “Al-Waddud” (the loving). Wadd is “love” and is also “God” and wadud/waddud is loving and Al-wadud is the loving God which anyone can look up in the 99 names (see #47) on how Muslims define God.

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Allah in pre-Islamic Arabia was named “Wadd-the moon god which stood at the head of the Minaean Pantheon: Allat, Uzza and Manat were the three daughters of Allah for this Wadd” (Hitti, 2002, pp. 97-98). Allah was called Wadd in Mecca itself.

It is not that the name Wadd is evil, Wadd (unlike Allah) is not simply a name but a meaning while Allah is a name. What is evil was the corruption of it by attributing the God of Love (Wadd) to an idol. Scripture for example has no problem with the title “morning star” but God objects that Lucifer attributed such a title to himself, for Christ has a similar title. The devil is depicted as a lion (that devours) and so is Christ depicted as a lion, but He is “the lion of the tribe of Judah” Who devours God’s enemies just as the serpent of Moses devoured pharaoh’s serpents. Therefore, a serpent is not always a bad thing, for Moses instructed the Israelites to look upon the bronze serpent.

What the other message from our Lady’s image is the rejection of the moon-god. She proclaims that the God of love (Wadd) is not Allah, but is in the core (lubb) of St. Mary. In other words, the construct says that it was God (Wadd) Who was in Mary’s core (lubb). This message refutes the Quran’s claim:

“they disbelieved when they said: ‘Christ, the son of Mary, is indeed God'”–Quran 5:72

The message from our Lady is “no,” God The Son, her “Wadd” (love) the Creator of heaven and earth is in Her “lubb” (core, womb) and is also Her Heart (the Heart of Mary). This signifies Jesus Christ’s physical heart as the representation of His divine love for humanity.

All Christians (whether biblicist or traditionalists) should accept this concept. This devotion is not predominantly used in the Roman Catholic Church but is also among some Anglican protestants and Lutherans in devotion to Mary. The rejection of this devotion is only recent in history.

The whole construct of the two words (really four words) Wadd-a-Lubb-a is Arabic, just as the name Guadalajara is constructed of two Arabic words “Wadi” (canyon) and “Jarra” (clay, pottery) which means “canyon of the clay” where poetry is made of jarra (clay) and is what we still use for the word clay-pitcher as it is also in Spanish. Such clay is shattered in Daniel 2 by the Rock (Christ). Canyons are always low and the clay (which resembles Islam) is also at the bottom of the image in Daniel 2 and is crushed by Messiah.

GUADALUPE’S RADIANCE DEFEATS MUHAMMAD “THE LUMINOUS”
But this is not all. Even a more amazing and fascinating discovery is, Our Lady of Guadalupe’s image has several crushing responses to Muslims, not just to Allah, but also to his false messenger Muhammad, history’s leading heresiarch.

Muhammad gained the title of “luminous” and “moon light” after the Battle of Tabuk when Muhammad appeared emerging from the Wada’ valley. His appearance sparked the first Muslim hymn Tala’a Al-Badru A’layna (“Here arose the moon upon us”). The moon, again, with the advent of Islam was raised to the pinnacle attempting to reverse God’s order.

Muhammad was depicted as the badr (full moon) and “the sun” when the Ansar (residents of Madinah) sang greeting Muhammad upon his arrival at Madinah to welcome him. The Sufi Muslims sing it this way:

“The full moon (badr) rose over us from the valley of Wada. We ought to be thankful. You [Muhammad] are the sun. You are the full moon. You are light upon light. You are the lamp of the star. You are my spring O messenger”

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This indeed is the Muslim “hymn of hymns”. It is sang to Sultans. Here is Erdogan of Turkey elated at its sounds:

From here and like the Aztec deity Huitzilopochtli, according to Islam, Muhammad gained such glorified titles as Al-Siraj Al-Muneer, literally “the Luminous Lamp”. The Quran claims that the angel Gabriel addresses Muhammad as such (see Quran 33:45-46) where Muhammad became the “illuminating lamp”:

“O Prophet, indeed We have sent you as a witness and a bringer of good tidings and a warner. And one who invites to Allah, by His permission, and an illuminating lamp.”

So as Mesoamerica etched such theology on their emblems, Islam’s theology was etched in the main image of the Muslim Ottoman Empire.

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Such theological forgeries attempt to mimic our Lady’s image, transendant light emanating from behind her, Islam had the radiating sun with its transcendent “light upon light” emanating from behind the crescent image (who is Muhammad) and a star (who is also Muhammad) which within it is the glowing lamp (Tughra) which is also Muhammad inside the morning star (which is also Muhammad).

This idea had colored later mystical Islam on both the elite and folk levels (Enc. Rel. 11:23). In the Ottoman image, it depicts Muhammad’s titles stemming from Allah Who is also described as this light:

“the Light of the heavens and the earth… The Parable of His Light is as if there were a Niche and within it a Lamp: the Lamp enclosed in Glass: the glass as it were a brilliant star…luminous…Light upon Light!” (Q 24:35).
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The imagery spills right out of Scripture regarding Lucifer, the morning star and the star (referred to as “he” a living being) that fell from heaven in Apocalypse 9 as poisoning the waters (nations).

But Muslims who would look at our lady’s image in conjunction to the Quran and the Ottoman depictions, Muhammad who is identified as “crescent” in Ottoman imagery is now beneath her, dead, since he is black (symbol of death and darkness), at her feet. By this the message from St. Mary is that God never reflected His light on Muhammad which is seen as a lightless dark crescent. He is after all depicted as “the crescent” and even “the full moon” (Badr). Adding to the meanings of the name construct in Arabic Wadda-Lubba, here we have God, Who is in her core, the woman of Genesis 3:15 (not Muhammad) who is the true humble servant to whom God sent Gabriel (not to Muhammad). God splendid Her, not Muhammad, with His light.

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Apocalypse 12 never said “crescent” but “moon”. Yet both are descriptions of Muhammad. He is depicted as Badr (full moon) and crescent. So whether a Muslim reads Apocalypse or sees the image, the conclusions are but the same.

With all the construct, had I remained Muslim, the way we would see this is that the Lady’s image responds to “Nūr Muhammad (“Light of Muhammad”) which is a term central to later Sufi (Turkey) and Shī`ī (Iran) belief. These are the main composites of the beast of Apocalypse 13 “the leopard” (Greece/Asia Minor) and “the bear” (Persia). The Ottoman emblem appeals to these specific two. These transformed Muhammad into a spiritual, luminous being even beyond Wahhabi theology to a godly status, especially since they call him “light upon light” a title that only belongs to Allah himself in the Quran. For one to rise to the pinnacle in Islam (as Erdogan is trying to do), the multitudes must proclaim him Mahdi. This makes that person as if he was deity in Sufi Islam. This is why the Douay-Rheims Bible had the perfect description:

Who opposeth and is lifted up above all that is called God or that is worshipped, so that he sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself as if he were God. (2 Thess 2:4)

Islam’s last Caliph or Mahdi would never plainly say “I am God”. This is why there is this “if” in 2 Thessalonians 2. Whether Muhammad or Mahdi, these are “lifted up” “above all” “as if he were God”. The Lady’s image brings it down. It simply reverses what was reversed.

The aureole or luminous light surrounding the Lady is reminiscent of the “woman clothed with the sun” of Rev. 12:1. The light is also a sign of the power of God who has sanctified and blessed the one who appears.

Islam therefore receives similar defeat like Huitzilopochtli after the Aztec religion crumbled. The images, too, crumble. Islam’s Al-Siraj Al-Muneer (the glowing lamp) is major; it is one of Allah’s 99 names. Muhammad (even the Mahdi) in Islam, is the very reflection of Allah’s light:

“The moon reflects the sun. The Messenger [Muhammad] ﷺ is al-Siraj al-Munir – a lamp radiating light. He reflects the beauty and majesty of the One who sent him.” (Muslim Judicial Council, Saudi Arabia)

This false light of Muhammad will too be vanquished by the divine Light in which dwells St. Mary, the Mother of our Salvation.

For this reason, both the image and the name Wadda-Lubba defeats Muhammad the ‘luminous light’ of the moon who arose from the valley of Wada. By this defeat, Muhammad becomes “the crescent curse rose over us, from the valley of Wada, it was brought low” defeated by Wadda Lubba and cursed under her feet.

The two religions of the Aztecs and Islam stem from the same thief whom Christ warned us of coming to kill and plunder bringing nothing more than bloodshed through a false sacrificial system where Islam had salvation through martyrdom, where Muslims are saved by the first drop of their shed blood, and the Aztec heart-plucking ensured the victims eternal heaven by shedding their blood. The Aztecs believed that those who were sacrificed or who died in war would become Teo-micqui (“the god-dead”) and were said to “go pure… live hard by, nigh unto the sun … [who] always forever … rejoice … [since] the House of the Sun is ….  a place of joy.” (Sahgun, book 6 verse 21)

So when a Muslim believes that his own blood saves, he unknowingly proclaims, like the Aztecs, that he is “the-god-dead” since a Muslim now by shedding his blood becomes Christ like. All these roads stem from the same pit and they all lead to the same pit.

But this is not the only light she defeats. The image is a challenge. The Quran is claimed to be a sign (ayat) from heaven written by a humble illiterate simpleton (Muhammad) who presented the Quran as a light from Allah. According to the Quran it says that the whole of humanity including the demons can never replicate anything like it (the Quran).

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The Virgin Mary, left an Image of herself imprinted miraculously on Juan Diego’s tilma called “ayate”. Ayat is also Arabic which means “sign, miracle” in Islam. The Quran itself is an “ayat” (sign/miracle).

So here comes our Lady with her true sign (ayat) made of a poor quality cactus-cloth (sabra, in Semitic languages), which defies all scientific explanations of its origin while challenging all mankind to replicate it. She is telling Muslims that you have met your match and more. It is as Moses’s serpent ate pharaoh’s and Mary’s ayate (sabra/cactus) ate Muhammad’s ayat (Quran as a miracle). Sabra (cactus) is the symbol of connecting to the biblical land of Israel. So here comes St. Mary of Israel with her sign to meet the challenge, using cactus.

GUADALUPE ARE REAL LOCATIONS IN ARABIA
Few westerner even know that Wadi Lubba  (وادي لبة) exists in the Sinai. It too packs much in another message.

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So what is Wadi Lubba doing in the Sinai?

First of all, the Sinai is named after Sin the moon god. Mary defies the cult and its symbol which spread from Mesopotamia to Anatolia.

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Galatians 4 speaks of such symbolism between the god Sin and the woman. It is the war between ‘the twos’, this continuing duel between righteousness over unrighteousness, between two women, Sarah’s seed vs. Hagar’s seed, Isaac vs. Ishmael which corresponds to Genesis 3:15. The core (lubb) of such battles stem from “Sinai” which “is in Arabia” (Gal 4:25). This analogy is the hint and the clue Galatians 4 calls “an allegory”. She conquers Sin through Her Son. There are in fact three places called “Wadi Lubba” (وادي لبة) one in the Sinai, Egypt, another in Saudi Arabia and another in Yemen. These (Sinai, Saudi Arabia and Yemen) are the very heart of what history calls Arabia, and which Isaiah 21 renders as “Babylon is fallen, is fallen.”

What transpired in Mexico will also transpire in the heart of Islam. God sees no difference between Arabia’s pre-Islam, Islam, or Mesoamerica. They worshiped the crescent moon in pre-Christian Mexico as Quetzalcoatl, and for Mary to be seen stepping on the crescent, signified her vanquishment over their heathen god. As one scholar puts it: “Her foot rested in the crescent moon – She had clearly vanquished their foremost deity, the feather serpent ‘Quetzalcoatl’, this being the primary reason for converting the Aztecs of Mexico.

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But the crescent is not the predominate symbol of the Aztecs, the Muslim world dominates with this symbol. The same image has an ultimate future fulfillment which was prophesied by John in Revelation 11-12. Initially this dragon seems victorious where the woman is hidden. But the end of this “red dragon” is not depicted in John’s imagery. Yet Her image reveals the conclusion. The attempt to devour the woman by the dragon coming from under her is simply silenced by crushing the beast.

GUADALUPE DEFEATS THE CRESCENT-BOW-ALLAH INCLUDING IT’S MAHDI
An eye opening discovery is “the stele at Petra” dedicated to Qos-Allah (Glueck 516). It sheds more light in understanding the symbolism behind our Lady’s image. The Arabic “Qos” or “Qaus” literally meant “bow” and the crescent-bow symbolized Allah and still doesThis hunter Allah was also found with the same name “Alla[h]” in the Epic of Atrahasis chiseled on several tablets dating to around 1700 BC.

This is extremely ancient. The stele at Petra is horned and displays a star and crescent (Browning 28), both consistent with a moon deity. In fact, in Islam it is forbidden to call a rainbow anything but Qos-Allah (Allah’s bow). This even drew the shape of the Muslim sword in crescent form resembling the crescent-bow of Allah. 

So from a Muslim perspective when viewing the image, the Lady is not exclusively threshing the crescent, the very symbol and honor of Islam, but also Islam’s sword and the bow of the Mahdi.

How the latter is explained is simple. The early Muslim transcription of prophet Mohammed’s Hadith, Ka’b al Ahbar writes: “I find the Mahdi recorded in the books of the Prophets…For instance, the Book of Revelation says: ‘And I saw, and behold a white horse. He that sat on him had bow … he went forth conquering and to conquer.’” Egyptian authors Muhammad Ibn ‘Izzat and Muhammad ‘Arif then go on to say, “It is clear that this man is the Mahdi who will ride the white horse and judge by the Qur’an (with justice) and with whom will be men with marks of prostration on their foreheads.”

In essence the Lady’s image is threshing the Mahdi’s bow.

And this is not without merit. The pride of the Muslim Ottomans shooting the bow while riding backwards on their horses are “Tarshish, Pul and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan…” (Isaiah 66:19). These today are the Turkic regions whose pride is the crescent, the bow and war. Even the Antichrist is described holding a bow: “And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.” (Rev 6:2)

First of all, both John and our Lady’s image shows that Christianity did not evolve from paganism where bow and crescent was honored. On the contrary God denounces such corruption and announces Mahdi’s defeat: “Then I will knock the bow out of your left hand, and cause the arrows to fall out of your right hand” (Eze 39:3).

God Himself uses imagery in Scripture, for an image speaks a thousand books. This is the Red Dragon who “persecuted the woman, who brought forth the man child” by “making war with the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” The image also depicts Her conquering what injured her heart: “And thy own soul a sword shall pierce …” (Luke 2:35). Persecuting “her seed” is persecuting Christ as if a sword pierced Wadda-Lubba the very Love of Her Core (Heart). Therefore, She threshes “the bow” which is Islamic warfare: Jihad. She also threshes Allah himself.

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She in turn provides humanity with Christ, the ultimate and only acceptable sacrifice. In Chapter 2 of St. Luke’s Gospel, the evangelist twice reports that Mary kept all things in her heart, that there she might ponder over them. Luke 2:35 recounts the prophecy of Simeon that her heart would be pierced with a sword.

Simeon presents an image (the pierced heart). This became the most popular representation of the Immaculate Heart. St. John’s Gospel further invited attention to Mary’s heart with its depiction of Mary at the foot of the cross at Jesus’ crucifixion. St. Augustine said of this that Mary was not merely passive at the foot of the cross; “she cooperated through charity in the work of our redemption”. St. Leo said that through faith and love she conceived her son spiritually, even before receiving him into her womb [lubb], and St. Augustine tells us that she was more blessed in having borne Christ [her Wadd] in her heart than in having conceived him in the flesh.

Such piercing is metaphorical depicting the suffering of God’s people. The bent dagger (Hanzar) of Islam which was made in the shape of the crescent was on purpose, in honor to Allah, who was depicted throughout Islam as crescent, even during Nazism, when the Ottoman-Nazi conscripts of the Hanzar (literally Muslim dagger) division, which besides persecuting the Jews, they persecuted also “the rest of her seed who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”

How Muslims see this, is that St. Mary here is clearly seen stepping on the crescent bow including the sword that symbolically pierced her heart when Muslims kill “the remnant of her seed” (the Christians).

But this is not all. To a Muslim, this stomping includes everything else that is the pride of Islam. Again, the image does not differentiate between Allah pre-Islam or post Islam for the simple reason that there are several Nabatean inscriptions in the Sinai and other places displaying widespread references to names regarding this deity including Allah and Shalm-lahi ‘Allah is peace’ (we have continually heard that Allah is the god of peace) and Shalm-allat, ‘the peace of the goddess Allat’ (Allat is the feminine Allah the transgender god), Amat-allahi ‘she-servant of Allah’ and Halaf-llahi (Caliph ‘the successor of Allah’).

The image stomping the crescent (Qaus Allah) is perhaps the response to the god of the bow and war (Jihad), Allah (as he is depicted in the Ottoman emblem). This includes not just Allah, but his crescent sword, Allah’s coming last caliph, Allah’s approval of transgenders and Islam’s false peace (we have continually been bombarded that Islam means peace).

This is summarized therefore in the image we clearly see: her foot stepping on the crescent the very symbol of Qaus-Allah.

But this is not all.

GUADALUPE DEFEATS ISLAM’S FOUNDATION
The woman of Revelation 12 has 12 stars. There are 12 disciples. God’s Temple has 12 gates and the Lady’s image appeared on 12/12 of the years 1531. This would be the twelfth day of the twelfth month regarding an image mentioned in the twelfth chapter of the Apocalypse and she had twelve stars.

Twelve is holy.

Converting that date to an Islamic Hijri calendar would mean that St. Mary appeared on 2 Jumada Al-Awwal (I Jumada) year 938 Hijri. Jumada I is the fifth month in the Islamic calendar.

One of Islam’s holiest numbers is five.

Islam has five daily prayers. Its pillars are five. In Islam, particularly Shia Islam, the Panjetan or Holy Pentagram, also known as Ahl Al-Bait or People of the House, the Five Holy Purified Ones are the members of Muhammad‘s family: MuhammadAli, Fatima, Hasan, and Husayn and is often symbolically represented by an image of the Khamsa (five). The five-pointed star is part of the symbol of the Ottoman Empire and has been a Muslim symbol for multiple Muslim works, most notably on flags. Islam’s most blasphemous chapter is the fifth chapter (Maʼida “The Table”) mentioning Mary in the most blasphemous verses:

“they disbelieved when they said: ‘Christ, the son of Mary, is indeed God’; whereas Christ had said: ‘Children of Israel! Serve Allah, Who is your Lord and my Lord.’ …Those who said: ‘Allah is one of the Three’ …The Messiah, son of Mary, was no more than a Messenger”

The Quran: An Encyclopedia says, “The Quran’s objection to Christian practice is Christianity’s shirk, its worship of Jesus, Mary and the saints ‘in derogation of Allah’. There is no justification in believing in the Trinity, for Jesus never would have condoned such a concept”. “Jesus is the son of Mary” is what Muslims and schismatics title Mary where true Christians are accused of “Mary worship” and “Saint worship”.

Yet here appears St. Mary in this image with humble eyes looking downward in worship and her queenly hands and the sleeve cuffs with fur means royalty/Jewish nobility. Indeed, this is a humble Queen in prayer to God and not in splendor of deity.

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The Quran in 66:12 describes Mary as Qānitah where Mary is in constant submission and prostration to Allah.

If Muslims see the lady’s image, St. Mary has the very symbol of Allah (the crescent) in prostration to her as Allah was brought low by her. The image debunks many who claim that “the Quran honors Mary”. The Quran in fact denigrates Mary in the most vile ways:

“And Maryam (Mary) daughter of Imran, who kept safe her vagina so We breathed in it [her vagina] of Our Spirit …” (Quran 21:90-91)

Modern Muslims are embarrassed of this verse and cannot easily explain it.

But back to our number 5 in Islam. In the fifth Sura it specifically denigrates Catholics:

“And behold! Allah will say: “O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men [Catholics], ‘Take me [Jesus] and my mother for two gods …” (Qur’an 5:116)

Muslims and other heretics accuse Catholics of Mary worship, and this verse evinces that Islam was founded as an anti-Catholic cult.

Besides the Quran in its most blasphemous fifth chapter, so many are the slandering works that attempt to hint an evolution of the Catholic faith from paganism by showing visual similarities between pagan depictions vs. Catholic. On the contrary, it is paganism that stole from the truth “The thief came only to steal”.

Therefore, it is the difference which makes all the difference. This is what we should be focused on and not the similarities when comparing forgery with genuine. Waddalubba shows “enmity” and not glorification of the crescent. Pagan female deities uphold the crescent on their heads and arms just as Antichrist will demand from his followers. Such is the enmity “between thee [lucifer] and the woman [Mary]” where “her seed shall crush thy head” (Genesis 3:15).

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In the the Latin Vulgate it says “she shall crush thy head”. Without getting into the controversy regarding “She” and the “He” (schismatics love to speak of this controversy) it does not take away the Marian understanding of the passage since the power of the devil (as the image portrays) is broken through Jesus, Mary’s Son where all Christians regardless of their persuasion would agree.

GUADALUPE DENOUNCES ISLAM’S ICONOCLASM
She appears as an image. This alone is offensive, not just to Muslims, but to all who reject She is our Mother. Schismatics need to ask a crucial question: why do they agree with Muslims on this one? There are images that God considers unholy while other images like the Ark with angelic cherubs and even Christ and Peter depicted as rocks. These depictions too are holy. And they are in scripture. Islam’s black stone is unholy just as the “image of the beast” (Rev 15:2) and in Acts 19:35 another stone (representing Artemis with the crescent moon on her forehead) is also unholy: “any man who worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead …” 

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At the Battle of Lepanto Christian ships formed the image of the Cross with the leading ship hoisting the image of our Lady of Guadalupe, and defeated the crescent formation of Ottoman ships in the greatest naval battle in history.

But the battle is not over. Where Islam rules, their crescent image is always on top higher than the cross.

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My own village, Beit Sahour in Bethlehem also known as the Shepherd’s Fields where the angels proclaimed the birth of the King Messiah. God will not be silent where the crescent (this is the very mosque I attended) is above the Cross.

To a Muslim looking at the lady’s image, here comes St. Mary dressed with virtuous attire to give Her view of what she thinks of this dark symbol hoisted on high and she reverses it. Using Islam’s own etiquette when Muslims enter a mosque under their crescent pinnacles by taking off their slippers entering always with the right foot, never the left, here comes St. Mary using her right foot not to enter a mosque but to step on its highest pinnacle, the crescent, and without even taking off her gray colored royal slipper. Few focus on this part of the image.

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As for me, a man born and raised in the land of the shepherds who were first to witness the proclamation of His birth, I had once ignorantly stoned with my very young sons her image at St. Francis of Assisi in Concord California. Now I will rise at Her amazing portrait begging forgiveness:

O clement, O pius, O gentle Mary.

O shepherds, rise before your God

relate what you have seen of Christ.

(Special thanks to sister Kelly Ann for sparking this research).

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  • If I am permitted to…

    St. Irenaeus, A.D. 120-202, had this to say of Mary:

    That the Lord then was manifestly coming to His own things, and was sustaining them by means of that creation which is supported by Himself, and was making a recapitulation of that disobedience which had occurred in connection with a tree, through the obedience which was [exhibited by Himself when He hung] upon a tree, [the effects] also of that deception being done away with, by which that virgin Eve, who was already espoused to a man, was unhappily misled, –was happily announced, through means of the truth [spoken] by the angel to the Virgin Mary, who was [also espoused] to a man. For just as the former was led astray by the word of an angel, so that she fled from God when she had transgressed His word; so did the latter, by an angelic communication, receive the glad tidings that she should sustain (portaret) God, being obedient to His word. And if the former did disobey God, yet the latter was persuaded to be obedient to God, in order that the Virgin Mary might become the patroness (advocata) of the virgin Eve. And thus, as the human race fell into bondage to death by means of a virgin, so is it rescued by a virgin; virginal disobedience having been balanced in the opposite scale by virginal obedience. For in the same way the sin of the first created man (protoplasti) receives amendment by the correction of the First-begotten [that is, Christ], and the coming of the serpent is conquered by the harmlessness of the dove, those bonds being unloosed by which we had been fast bound to death. Chapter XIX, Against Heresies: Book V

    In St. Irenaeus’ earliest book, Against Heresies: Book III, he defends the miraculous conception of Christ and the virgin birth, as well as Christ’s divinity:

    That John knew the one and the same Word of God, and that He was the only begotten, and that He became incarnate for our salvation, Jesus Christ our Lord, I have sufficiently proved from the word of John himself. And Matthew, too, recongising one and the same Jesus Christ, exhibiting his generation as a man from the Virgin, even as God did promise David that He would raise up from the fruit of his body an eternal King, having made the same promise to Abraham a long time previously, says: “The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.” Then, that he might free our mind from suspicion regarding Joseph, he says: “But the birth of Christ was on this wise. When His mother was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.” Then, when Joseph had it in contemplation to put Mary away, since she proved with child, [Matthew tells us of] the angel of God standing by him, and saying: “Fear no to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call His name Jesus; for He shall save His people from their sins. Now this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet: Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bring forth a son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel, which is, God with us;” clearly signifying that both the promise made to the fathers had been accomplished, that the Son of God was born of a virgin, and that He Himself was Christ the Saviour whom the prophets had foretold; not, as these men assert, that Jesus was He who was born of Mary, but that Christ was He who descended from above. Might might certainly have said, “Now the birth of Jesus was on this wise;” but the Holy Ghost, foreseeing the corrupters [of the truth], and guarding by anticipation against their deceit, says by Matthew, “But the birth of Christ was on this wise;” and that He is Emmanuel, lest perchance we might consider Him as a mere man: for “not by the will of the flesh nor by the will of man, but by the will of God was the Word made flesh;” and that we should not imagine that Jesus was one, and Christ another, but should know them to be one and the same.” Chapter XVI, 2, Against Heresies: Book III

    I believe that, like the prophet Jeremiah and St. Paul the Apostle whom were consecrated and called by God from their mother’s womb (see Jeremiah 1:5 and Galatians 1:15), Mary was consecrated to God by God Himself and as St. Paul the Apostle writes in Romans that God creates vessel for Honor and vessel for Dishonor (see Romans 9:20-23) in order to demonstrates His sovereignty, God created Mary as the Ark of the New Covenant and then consecrated her.

    Just as the Ark of the Old Covenant was fashioned and made holy (consecrated) by following God’s blueprint and covered by the blood of animals, housing the manna, the Ten Commandments, Aaron’s rod which budded; Mary, the Ark of the New Covenant was fashioned by God and made holy in order to bear Christ who is the Living Bread, the Lawgiver, and the Eternal Priest.

    Of course, just as Eve by free will disobeyed God and fled from His presence, Mary by free will obeyed God and embraced her role of bringing the Savior of the World. Just as Adam by free will disobeyed God and brought death into the world, Christ by His free will, freely laid down His life and paid the ultimate price for our salvation, and brought eternal life.

    • “If I am permitted to…”

      Couldn’t recognize you there for a minute Trev. Your icon changes by the day and I see an ora around your countenance 😉 and your eloquence is transforming into the language of saints 😉

      • Raph Sebastian gets a little bit credit for planting the seed in my head. About a month ago, he said something along the line of, “Mary was created…” What he said after and before that, I can’t remember, but those three words were imprinted on my mind.

        I also deliberately avoided the doctrine of Mary’s Immaculate Conception because I knew from reading the Eastern Orthodox writings that they unanimously reject the doctrine. However, I sought to find the equilibrium in my mind by thinking outside the box, if you will, to bring harmony between Rome and Constantinople, and it was how I arrived to the conclusion of Mary’s consecration to the Lord from the womb of her mother. My analysis would take an entire blog post to detail out the wrestling I had between Rome’s defense of Mary’s Immaculate Conception and the Eastern Orthodox rejection of such doctrine.

        I believe that if Rome accepts the idea that Mary was consecrated to the Lord, it could, in theory, bring the end of the Great Schism because after all, Mary is the Mother of the Church. While Rome can rightfully be seen as the right arm of the Church, it is Constantinople that provides the stiffness of the orthodoxy by being the backbone of Christianity. I remember reading somewhere of a cave icon found where Mary had both arms outstretched toward St. Peter and St. Paul, showing the unification of two giants of saints.

        One day, I hope to see a permanent end to the Great Schism, and may Mary with her motherly concern and care of the Church intercedes and asks for the end of the Schism so that Christ’s prayer in the Garden, that the Church remains One just as the Father and Son are One, may finally be fulfilled.

        • susan

          “I remember reading somewhere of a cave icon found where Mary had both arms outstretched toward St. Peter and St. Paul, showing the unification of two giants of saints.”

          If you can provide the link, I’d like to it. There’s nothing like TRUTH. Everything that sets itself up against (to destroy) it, will crumble.

        • Kelly ann

          your getting warmer. May I say the kingdom of Christ as always taught in the Catholic Church is the union of church and state. The schism is a terrible terrible lost for both sides.

          Fact:

          Mr Putin contacted Fr Gruner here in Canada concerning this very problem in the church. Fr Gruner saw a Russia delicate during his following visit to Rome that same year, giving him all the documentation Mr Putin Requested and further discussing the situation. Fr Gruner as you may know is our scholar on the subject, he was so focused on Russia, it was his life’s passion until he passed away.

          Mr Putin then proceeded to bring this up with Pope Francis, but the pope snubbed him for it. I do believe Mr Putin desires the same as we few faithful do. He knows what’s going on with the church in Rome better than most people in the west do.

          As a matter of fact he’s made comments about the condition of Christianity in the west in his speeches. Mr Putin is a very smart man who’s devoted to his Christian Faith. if his time runs out, we could get another monster in Russia leadership. Then it will be too late again.

          Fr Gruner knew what needed to be done , and so does Mr Putin, he’s looking at the U.S. NATO plan through a double barrel gun pointed at him and his country.

          • susan

            This is what confuses me. If the consecration worked…then why did Francis consecrate the world again? It just seems that we need to frost the cake…to take away all this worry…But with the Bishops…perhaps it’s impossible to do so right now…sighs. If my country was going to fight against the AC i would want it to be consecrated. But we are laymen. It seems that our leadership is saying this has already been done. We’ve grown suspicious of our own leadership in the church. It’s going to take a miracle to clear this up. Perhaps we’ll receive one soon.

          • Kelly ann

            Susan dear! Take a look around , are things getting better or worst ?

            Then You have to ask yourself is it done ?

            PF didn’t do a consecration., he just said a prayer, that’s it .

          • susan

            That’s what I gathered from reading the article. That it was just a prayer. The article kept using the word consecration. And it was a Catholic site. Although not the official one.

          • Julie

            I would also check out http://www.mysticpost.com

            I read an article about P Benedict expressing sadness people cannot believe the full message has been revealed.

            some think it will take atleast 100 years….well I am starting new prayers tomorrow and after they are done, work on the info Walid has provided today….

          • susan

            I will try to find the article. Thank you.

          • Nan

            That’s an easy one. Women aren’t a supposed to wear pants.

          • Kelly ann

            Sorry Susan been away my dear, may I suggest you read this book, by a most despised priest in the church, and look into it by researching and verifying his footnotes. Than you can determine for yourself what’s true concerning this matter.

            http://www.crucialtruths.com/img/CrucialTruths.pdf#chap1

          • susan

            I believe the consecration was done. We see that antichrist Turkey is arising. How does consecrating Russia change that? Revelations reveals where satan’s throne is and it is not in Russia. It’s in Turkey.

          • Kelly ann

            Than why are you so confused concerning the popes prayer ?

            the term consecration and it’s act means: to set aside something for a special purpose used to perform the will of God

            , it has nothing to do with excorism. Excorism is the ritual established by Our Lord of driving out demons of a place or person. In order to perform a excorism the priest have to be in that area or in the immediate presence of the person.

            If Russia needed to be excorised then Our Lady probably would of said something like ( send a team of excorist into Russia to perform a excorism of that nation. )
            but she didn’t. Because Russia don’t need to be excorised. If anything Russia is completely more blessed than any other nation because she has been chosen By God to do His work for the good of the church and the salvation of souls of not just Russia herself but of the entire world. Gods Work is to pour out graces on the entire world, graces which are withheld at this time. Is not the rulership of Our Lord the King of Kings as Pope Pius XI taught us in Quas Primas to be observed and practiced in the entire world ? This is the triumph of Our Lady it is not some isolated geopolitical place of a sorts, but of the entire world of the kingship of Christ.

            I completely understand where your believing that the consecration is done, because it’s being told to us by the bulk of the clergy , cardinals, bishops and priest. From the top all the way down. With the exception of the holy Father who has doubts apparently, because every elected Pope keeps trying to do this but never mysteriously gets it right, so they keep trying, hoping that this time it’s right, yet Our Lady never said it had to be done multiple of times. If it’s done right the first time it don’t have to be repeated. Some bishops say it’s done and some say it hasen’t been done. Bishops and priest are opposed on this. So facts real historical facts need to be seriously looked into don’t you think?

            But honestly, if the devil was beaten in this current battle with Our Lady in the world. Would your country leaders , be permitting the satanist ritual of descrating Our Lady’s statue ? Or erecting a statue of Satan in Boston? Or that the churches up here in my country ( don’t know about your churches ) would be singing hymns to Gia East Indian pagan deity? This is the result of accepting other cultures in the church under the happy union and spirit of ecumenism. Doesn’t His Majesty Lord Jesus have his own culture in his kingdom, isn’t His culture good enough for everyone ? It’s seems it’s good enought for heaven but not good enough here on earth. And the passing of euthanisa by our government just recently, In which the bishops of my country failed to turn this bill around diplomatically. Abortion was made legal in my country in 1968. And it’s going strong in the sense that, the bulk of the population Is in support of it today compared to back then, as a result it has paved the way for the euthanisa new bill, supported by a massive portion of the population. Mercy of death bill I call it . And I’m suppose to believe this Is the triumph of Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart , was the governments and the church and the general population at the extent supporting such evil in 1984 compared to today? This is improvement promised by Our Lady?

            Fr Amorth who organized the event for PJPII in 1984 said The Holy Father wanted to do it. but he didn’t because they ( his advisors ) said you can’t do it. He ask them “can I name Russia.” , and they said (no.) Yet this is what Our Lady said to do, “consecrate Russia to Her Immaculate Heart” not the world , she never said the world, who’s lying here Fr Amorth a witness of the event who is the head excorist of the Vatican and never once said that the message of our lady is meant to be a ritual excorism of Russia or the popes advisors who turned around and said that the consecration of Russia has been done. Who’s telling the truth here ?

            I don’t know about you, but I always ask myself these questions and I need answers so I research everything. And I really research those who are and have been persecuted in our times. Why are they being persecuted is the very question I begin with. What’s the big deal about them? They can place a Buddha idol on the altar of God and Silence in the harmony of ecumenism but if anyone promotes Our Lady and her message. Look out they are screaming at them.
            What’s wrong with this picture ?

            Fr Mstgr Perez said that things will get so bad that Catholics will be walking on their knees to Our Lord begging for mercy, and God demands that we walk on our knees to Our Lady.
            She said ” only I can help you.”
            It’s only just beginning of this stage. But could of been avoided if the consecration was done as Our Lady requested. God won’t accept a half measure. Such as the world consecrated, has it brought world peace? Is it working ? Are things improving ? Or simply just being sugar coated with lots of talk and man made solutions ? With underlying volience and death increasing?

            How terrible is the demonization of Russia among our western media and leaders in the church promoting such a thing as being offensive to Russia, russia isn’t hard core communist any more, as a matter of fact they have a democracy very similar to my country, I’ve read their charters registered with the UN. but their system is getting stronger while our system is getting weaker.

            Turkey is a prime example and evidence concerning the consecration . Our Lady said if it’s done there will be peace. No war or makings of war. Simply peace for everyone. And tell me has the errors of Russia – the Marxist values of communism spread in your country like it has in mine? They began In Russia no thanks to the Free masons.

            Speaking of the antichrist, the great theologians of the church agree there are four types of antichrist which the antichrist will have at more intensity in his person.

            1. The pride and impiety of Antiochus
            2, the cruelty of Nero
            3. The magical potency of Simon Magus
            4. The seductive influence of Mahommed

            Will the Jews recognize Erdogan as their messiah?

            Russia is not the antichrist, and she is completely innocent of such a charge, it wasn’t Russian or her people who reigned in the government of the Marxist morals, it was the free masons who did that in the US ,UK,Germany, and France who funded 25 million dollars to begin with, to fund Vadimir Lenins political compagin in 1915 – 1916 , which the Bolshevik party won power in 1917 and usurped the Christian monarchy of Russia. Russia was a victim.

            So your suggestion that I’m indicating Russia is the antichrist and needs to be excorist is utter rubbish.

            Here’s the very basics of what I know concerning Russia and both the prophetical, the historical activities of the free masons, I cannot write it all because it’s far too much.

            The Russian revolution funded and supported by western nations (elite free masons. ) Same group of elites who brought about the revolutions in the The States and France, and England they killed three major monarchs. In Russia they killed the King and his wife and children , in France they did the same thing, but Marie Therese managed to escape with the help of her uncle, the emperor of Austria, ( Lord Jesus speaks about him in 1931) in England they only took down the King himself. And if King George lived in the States they would of killed him too, lucky for him God didn’t allow everyone to be brainwashed by those elites and their puppets, maybe because the poor King was suffering mental illness. This same group ( free masons ) our lady spoke about in Ecuador 100 years before they founded their secret society. I’m sure you know this prophesy well enough. They are the ones who need to be excorised. Not the Russians.

            Isn’t it ironic how Ecuador is giving protective sanctions to Julian Assange pres of wikileaks in the U.K. he keeps exposing Government corruption, Julian said he stands for the truth, and believes the people deserve the truth. There must be some grain of salt to his words because if there wasn’t Obama wouldn’t be going after him. It’s quite similar the same situation in the church concerning Fatima.

            Communism is a Marxist and Free mason ideology a truly antichrist political system, the Russian people are innocent and its greatest victims including the monarchy.

            When the Mr Putin came to power , the olgarichs told him he wouldn’t last, Mr Putins response was” ha ha ha. ” earlier on in his career he described the Bolshevik communism government system as this : “a bomb they planted in the House of Mother Russia and it blew up”

            Mr Putin is anti commie which does not make him a form of antichrist. Rather the complete opposite.

            But don’t take my word for it, all I encourage is for you to research for the facts yourself.

            Cheers good bye and God bless.

          • susan

            Thank you for your detailed reply. 🙂

            Here are a few things I’ve copied and are the reasons why i believe Russia has been consecrated

            This person is NOT the same as Dr Michael Brown the Protestant who debated Theodore on homosexuality.

            In largely unknown remarks, Sister Lucia said consecration of Russia has been done

            by Michael H. Brown

            During meetings with visiting cardinals in 1992 and 1993 Sister Lucia dos Santos, lone surviving visionary of the famous Fatima revelations, made several remarks that have not been widely reported but that should have caused huge headlines in Catholic movements.

            They were not meant to be dramatic pronouncements but have deep implications for those who have followed the events of 1917, when the Virgin Mary appeared to Lucia and her two cousins, Jacinta and Francisco Marto, about ninety miles north of Lisbon.

            Now in her nineties and cloistered at a convent in Coimbra, Sister Lucia told an audience headed by Cardinal Antony Padiyara of Ernaculam, India, on October 11, 1992, and another exactly a year later, lead by Cardinal Ricardo Vidal of the Philippines on October 11, 1992, that a consecration conducted of the world and implicitly Russia by John Paul II had been accepted by heaven as fulfillment of a request by the Virgin that Russia be consecrated to her Immaculate Heart to prevent it from spreading its errors around the world.

            The issue has long been contentious among Marian groups in the United States and elsewhere, but Sister Lucia seemed clear on the matter during the talk with Cardinal Padiyara as well as a Fatima historian named Carlos Evaristo, who recorded the encounters.

            “When I return home to my diocese, people will ask me many things,” said the cardinal, “among which will be if the consecration of Russia has already been done according to the request made by Our Lady. Was this accomplished by Pope John Paul II on March 25 of 1984?”

            “Yes, yes, yes,” reponded Sister Lucia in a low affirmative voice, as if anticipating the question. “The consecration was already partially done. Pope Pius XII made it in 1942, on October 31, but it lacked the union with all the bishops of the world, which ope John Paul II finally managed to unite in 1984.”

            When asked about those bishops who didn’t participate — long an objection of those who assert that the consecration was not accomplished — Sister Lucia said only, “We cannot say that these bishops that did not participate committed a sin or a fault. The majority of the bishops were united to the Pope in this act. The people, worldwide, in every diocese, were united to the bishops and the bishops in turn to the Pope. So, this consecration was a great union of the people of God. It was all of this that made this consecration accepted.”

            “But did not Russia have to be specifically mentioned, and did not Our lady say that?” asked Evaristo.

            “The Pope’s intention was Russia, when he said, `Those peoples…’ in the text of the 1984 consecration. Those who knew of the request for the consecration of Russia, knew what he was referring to as did God Who is all-knowledgeable and can read the minds of men. God knew that the Pope’s intention was Russia and that he meant `Russia’ in the consecration. What is important is the intention, like when a priest has the intention to consecrate a host.”

            “But didn’t Our Lady want Russia to be specifically mentioned?” persisted Evaristo, who works from St. Anne’s oratory in Fatima and who recorded the conversations verbatim in a pamphlet, “Two Hours With Sister Luia.”

            “Our Lady never requested that Russia be specifically mentioned by name,” said Sister Lucia. “At the time I didn’t even know what Russia was. We thought she was a very wicked woman. What matters is the Pope’s intention and the bishops knew the intention the Pope had was to consecrate Russia.”

            “In that case, there is no need to consecrate Russia again?” a bishop who was also present, Francis Michaelappa of Mysore, India.

            “There is no need to consecrate Russia again, but each bishop can consecrate his own diocese to the Immaculate Heart of Mary if he wants to,” said Sister Lucia, sounding very lucid despite her age.

            “Our Lady is content and has accepted it?”

            “Yes,” said Lucia, ending a controversy that has raged for decades and as I have mentioned in previous aticles, adding in her 1993 interview with a contingent from the Philippines that the consecration “prevented an atomic war that would have occurred in 1985.”

            “Has the conversion of Russia then taken place?” she was asked by Evaristo.

            “Yes,” said Sister Lucia. “The news speaks for itself.”

            Here is an excerpt from an Orthodox point of view.

            Orthodox Christians often see the Fátima consecration in the light of the history of Latin-Orthodox religious conflict going back a thousand years. They tend to interpret the Fátima consecration as an encroachment by Latin Christianity on Orthodox territory while Catholics tend to see the matter as followers of Christ vs. atheistic Communism. Orthodox Christians and especially members of the Russian Orthodox Church object[citation needed] to the concept of the Consecration of Russia for two reasons: (1) Russia was already Christian at the time of the alleged Fátima apparitions and had a long history of devotion to the Theotokos, and (2) the concept contains what appears to be an implicit proselytism of Russian Orthodox Christians to the Catholic Faith. Orthodox apologists thus tend to understand the phrase “Russia will be converted” as implying conversion from Orthodox Christianity to Roman Catholicism and acceptance of papal infallibility and universal supreme jurisdiction. Catholics respond that the apparitions at Fátima took place after the March 1917 revolution that deposed Tsar Nicholas and the April 16 [N.S.] return to Russia of Lenin.[11] Russia was thus already in the throes of revolution and facing a renewed threat from a Bolshevism particularly hostile to all organized religion when prayers for Russia were first requested in May. The final October miracle occurred just weeks before the Communist Revolution. They argue that this timing suggests that the consecration refers to the threat that Russia faced from atheistic Communism. In 1946 during a gathering of youth at Fátima, Sister Lucia was asked by a young Russian girl (Natacha Derfelden) how the conversion of Russia would come about. However, Sister Lucia stated that the conversion of Russia would come through the Orthodox Church and “the Oriental rite”, meaning the Byzantine tradition of the Roman Catholic Church.[12][13] Yet, another possibility is that it means a conversion of the heart, which conforms to the theological commentary written by Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (later Pope Benedict XVI) on the Fátima secret.[14]

            I will enclose more articles regarding the “period of peace” which some use as their “proof” that the consecration has not been made. Once again I thank you for your explanation. I’m glad we had a chance to share our viewpoints. :). It’s the leadership of this nation and and a rather large percentage of its citizens that has drifted away from God that concerns me most right now.

          • Kelly ann

            Your welcome , here’s what I got concerning this particular interview , I’m still looking into it , it’s a rather time consuming task, but one I really enjoy .

            October 11, 1992 – A questionable interview of Sister Lucy is conducted by Father Pacheco, Cardinal Padiyara, Bishop Michaelappa and a chauffeur, Carlos Evaristo. Evaristo later publishes a doctored version of the interview, which he admits was “reconstructed.” Among other falsehoods, the “interview” contains a statement by “Sister Lucy” that Mikhail Gorbachev knelt in front of the Holy Father and asked pardon for his sins. This claim is denounced as a total fabrication by papal spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls. Father Pacheco publishes a repudiation of the bogus “interview.” Fatima scholar Frère François concludes that this “interview” was put together by the Rector of the Shrine in order to stop petitions for the Consecration of Russia. Today, Evaristo’s totally discredited interview is no longer mentioned as “proof” of Sister Lucy’s alleged affirmation that the Consecration has been done.

            Have you read a copy of Fr de Marchi original documented account published in 1941 , he spent three years there working on recording it .

            This is what I’ve found from originals sorry but it’s going to be long . Sources from and with footnotes to follow up on in Fere Francis ( Fatima scholar ) Fatima volume series books.

            June 13, 1929 : Our Lady makes her formal request , Sr Lucy records this in her journal Nov 6, 1929 quote :

            ” Our Lady said ” ” the moment has come in which God asks of the Holy Father to make and command that in union with him and at the same time all the bishops of the world make the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart, promising to convert it because of this day of prayer and reparation.

            (Sources )
            ( French)
            1, Fr Antonio Martins , co coracs de Maria , São Paulo Loyola publications 1984 pp. 78-79
            (English )
            2. Fere Micheal: the whole truth about Fatima vol2, pp555.
            2. Fr de Marchi original account published 1941 , translated into English. P 80

            Mar 21, 1982 interview of Sr Lucy in her response concerning the participation of all the bishops she replies quote :
            ” so that the bishops of the world be united to the Pope in this consecration of Russia to the immaculate Heart of Mary , the pope must either
            1, convo me all the bishops to Rome .
            2, order the bishops to another place such a Tuy for example .
            3, order all bishops of the entire world to organize each in his own cathedral ,
            The Solomon and public ceremony of reparation and of the consecration of Russia to the Sacred Hearts of Jesus and Mary.

            Source :
            Fr Pierre Caillon ( head of the blue army in France ) published in 1983.
            Fere Francis book 1994 publication.
            pope John Paul II emissary he sent to conduct this interviews were :
            1. Arch bishop Sante Portalupie ( nuncio of Lisbon )
            2. Dr Francisco Lacenda ( nuncios personal advisor )
            2. Bishop : do Amaral of Leiria

            The details of which were given an account to Fr pierre Caillon Fr Dr Lacenda .

            May 13 1982 : the pope makes the Solomon act
            1, the world not Russia
            2. Without ordering the bishops to join

            Aug 11 1983: Sr Lucys response in a letter to her cousin Maria de Fetal
            Quote : ” the consecration of Russia , that which Our Lady has requested, has not been done.”
            Source: 1. Fr Cailion ( France BA) in La consecration de la Russie aux tres saints Coeurs de Jesus et de Marie , pp 45-46 , Fere Francis book Vol series : tragedy and triumph ,p164

            2nd Interview
            Again PjP II sends archbishop Portaulipe to Sr Lucy , and Sr Lucy gives this prepared account statement Quote :
            ” in the act of offering of May 13 1982, Russia did. It appear dearly as the object of the consecration, and each bishop did. Not organize in his own diocese a public and Solemn ceremony of reparation and consecration of Russia . pope John has simply renewed the consecration of Pope Pius XII on Oct 31, 1942. Of this consecration of the the world one may hope for certain good effects but not the conversion of Russia.

            The 3 witnesses at this interview were :
            1. Archbishop Portalupie
            2. Dr lacerdia ( archbishops advisor )
            3. Fr messias Coelho ( a Portuguese Fatima scholar and long time friend of Sr Lucy )

            Sources of originals published again with
            Fr Caillon ( France BA )- monthly periodical Fidelite Catholique B.P.217-56402, aural codex , France
            and Fere Francis book tragedy and triumph p165 with footnotes to follow up on .

            May 22 1984 three days before I the second act .

            Sr Lucy was visiting her old friend Maria Eugenia Pestana
            Maria ask quotes :
            Maria : then Lucy Sunday is the consecration?
            Lucy : that conversation cannot have a decisive character …Russia does not appear in it as the sole object of the consecration .

            Fact: Sr Lucy had been presented with a copy of the text that the Holy Father would use.

            Sources reported by Maria via telephone the next day to Fr Caillion .

            Fr Caillion relayed it to Fere Francis in a letter dated March 30, 1984 . Who in turn published this account with footnotes in his book tragedy and triumph pp 167-168.

            Mar 25 1984 : the ceremony took place with very few of the 3000+ bishops in attendance.

            More than a year later St Lucy was interviewed by a Spanish Blue army representative concerning the 1984 consecration . She was ask : quote
            ” if the consecration of PJPII had at last been done as requested by Our Lady ?”

            Sr Lucy : ” no, many bishops attached no importance to this act ”

            SBA: JPII had invited all the bishops to join in. The consecration of Russia, which he was going to make at Fatima on May 13 1982 and which he was to renew at the end of the Holy Year in Rome mpMar 25 1984, before the original statue of Our Lady of Fatima, has he not therefore done what was requested at Tuy?

            Sr Lucy : ” no, there was no importance of all the bishops and there was no mention of Russia .

            Original source : Sol de Fatima , sept 1985 ( Spanish publication )

            A quick review of the request of June 13 1929

            ” our Lady said” ” the moment has come in which God asks if the Holy Father to make , and to command that in Union with all the bishops of the world make the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart, promising to convert it because of this day of prayer and worldwide reparation.”

            So I’m trying to find out the truth of the matter , according to the East Indian bishop mentioned in your findings, the bishops were not required , but Our Lady said that God almighty required all of them. So I can’t accept the bishops claim, and why didn’t they allow St Lucy to speak on her own behalf , why did he publicly speak for her ?

            My dear the church is divided on this matter you are right about that. But I’m not going to jump in there and claim , this group is wrong and false Catholics and this group is right and true Catholics. Sr Lucy said that the diabolical disorientation was going to hit the church and we are living in it right now.

            Something isnt right here, again Fr Fox launched this apostolate and insisted that the consecration was done , but in an interview he contradicted himself, when he was asked are you worried about anything , and he said yes I’m worried about war , he claimed there will always be war, many priest have considered this as act of making Our Lady out to be a liar. Who’s right Fr Fox or Our Lady ?

            i want the truth about it my dear. Who’s right here and who’s wrong ? Give me originals of the historical accounts , and why on earth would Sr Lucy change her mind much later in life ? Where are her original penned letters to confirm this?

            Anther fact : Sr Lucy never used a computer in her life . So the claim that she typed letters is false , she always penned her letters with her own hand.

            , things are very hard for all of us right now, even The sedavancantist, are they Catholic denying the pope ?i don’t agree with their claim , but one thing is for certain , they are very upset with good reason. But no one can deny the pope. And yes there are a lot of groups out there playing war and staking their own claim while claiming others are in error, truth be told error is everywhere now. there is a lot of confusion, true evidence of the shepherd struck and the sheep are scattered.

            God bless !
            Fatima is a lot of reading, rereading and verifying so it’s a very slow process.

            :

          • susan

            Thank you dear! Obviously the errors spread and the consecration was done late…but it was done as best it could be with disobedient bishops. Diabolical confusion indeed! The tare and the wheat ripening together as Pope Francis said. That reminds me…have you seen the video of the “ufo”‘that landed on the Temple Mount? Walid did an article on it.

          • Do you know of any videos of Putin talking about those? Or what about Fr. Gruner’s works on the Schism. I would be greatly interested in reading it.

          • susan

            Me too. This is what I’m waiting to see. Here are the words of Jesus.
            “Make it known to My ministers given that they follow the example of the King of France in delaying the execution of My command, like him they will follow him into misfortune.

            This was a reference to Louis XVI, who failed to consecrate France to the Sacred Heart of Jesus, and was later overthrown in the French Revolution and beheaded in 1793.”

            If we see the Vatican attacked and the Pope and his bishops beheaded…..?

          • Hmmm. Then we will know that the Vatican failed to listen to Jesus. And given that the Vatican is not immune to heresies that have crept in, it may be why in some Orthodox prophecy the Vatican is seen as destroyed.

            However, it may also be an opportunity for the Vatican to be purified.

          • theophorus

            A great many Catholic saints have said the Vatican will be destroyed as well.

          • Now I was not aware of this. Do share…

          • Julie

            the building. and afterwards all will join the Catholic Church and the charisms let go by the Catholics but embraced by the Protestants will return to the Church.

          • Julie

            The Vatican is a building.

            The Church are its people, Christ the Cornerstone. If it is destroyed, so be it. The faith will go on, the gates of hell cannot prevail against it.

          • Kamau41

            That’s right Julie. AMEN!!!!!

          • Right and I am not disputing it at all. What we do know is the modernists have infiltrated the Vatican and are trying their damnedest to change the course of the Church. Problem is…like God promises to make Jerusalem a burdensome stone that will send the surrounding people reeling and those who try to move it will injure themselves…the Church, in a dual-fulfillment is the same because, as you said, Christ is the Chief Cornerstone, and those who try to destroy the Church will injure themselves.

            The sad thing I see is that if and when the Vatican is indeed destroyed, anti-Catholics will come and screech that they were right all along and we were wrong all along.

          • Julie

            When that day comes…they will have enough of their own problems to contend with…that will make them face God and all the persecutions they have committed in His name.

            Psalm 37….

          • Who is “they” you are referring to?

          • Julie

            Those others who persecute His Church in the name of Christ.

            We are also living in the times when a priest got an inner locution that there would be Marian Catholics who would mistreat fellow Marian Catholics….it has already happened to me…most shocking because I was told Marian orders/associations are protected by her…

            They are not protected from False Mary’s.

            And intellectual Christianity across the board.

          • Julie

            Our bishop wants the high pontifical Mass celebrated….

          • Nan

            The building can be destroyed but like Julie said, the gates of hell shall not prevail against the Church. Rome could become a titular see but the Bishop of Rome would still be Pope.

          • Nan

            St Pius X complained of modernists so this isn’t a new issue.

          • Kelly ann

            Aww you’ve been learning about the modernist, good for you Trevor, smart very smart.

            Regarding the anti Catholics , by the time the Vatican is destroyed the antichrist ( person) will have control and be in power. The sacrifice of the mass will cease , because the faith will be so badly detoriated that there will be very little resistance to stop it.

            And seeing how things are going today, one wonders….
            But Catholics are beginning to wake up…thanks to those pesky modernist, geting bold and stupid.

            their evil will cause alot of good, a counter resistance to their nasty errors.

          • Keep the wise words of Joseph, what man intend for evil, God uses for good.

            The modernists are reviving the militant Christians without realizing it. The Seat of Peter will soon be liberated and the smoke of satan Will be cast out.

          • Kelly ann

            As they work day and night to destroy the church. That is the mystical body if Christ. it’s not over yet by a long shot. But I do believe we are at a tipping point, see the interview of the wife of a the catholic scholar he was given the title of Dr of the church for the 20th century.

            http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2015/06/50-years-ago-today-dietrich-von.html

            letters to PF from Greece, may be of some interest for your reading .

            http://orthodoxinfo.com/ecumenism/epistle-to-pope-francis.pdf

            Bp Willimson said : we are in serious trouble.

            Fr Hesse : the church is going down.

            I presume you read P St Pius X encyclical concerning the heresy. It’s difficult reading, the advise from theologians is to read it very slowly.

            We are in a spiritual chaistisement, and modernism is the Whip by which God is punishing us, all due the faults of our own.

            Fr / Msgr Patrick Perez, speak about this.

            What’s important concerning this moment of chaistisement is , we must- cannot allow this deadly heresy, to sway us into falling away. Through lack of knowledge how it operates in stealth It’s worst than the Muruna.

            As Lord Jesus said” when I return where there be any faith left on the earth ? “, “deceive the elect if that were possible .”

            As the Lord God himself said throug the prophet ” my people will perish from lack of knowledge.
            Ignorance won’t save us .

            We may be nearing a tipping point, but until heaven is obeyed this chaistisement will continue, God is giving this decision over to the people for the time being, so it’s up to the people to decide how long this will go on, which is the hope we have in God, that he will sway the hearts, to oust this apostasy with our prayers in a state of grace. Only in a state of grace of the faithful full of knowledge. its becoming harder and harder, to obtain grace , we need the sacraments to accomplish it.

            Meanwhile souls are being lost , and the pool of blood grows bigger.

            I’m afraid hope alone isn’t enough this time around. This 50 year old crisis will continue, until the people cry out to Gods for His help.

          • Then I better say no more about the blessed Virgin Mary before I condemn myself and by others…

            However, I still stand by what I say, the Seat of Peter will soon be liberated and the smoke of satan will be cast out. It won’t be easy, but as the Lord said, only fasting and continued prayer will cast out the devil.

          • susan

            The ones I’ve read say that Rome will be without a Pope. And it seems as though he will flee. Not be killed. We’ll have to wait and see what happens. Regardless the church will be victorious even though all may appear lost for a period of time.

          • Where did you read this?

          • Julie

            You should go online and read what P Benedict now states about the third secret which he also read.

            It sounds from it that Christianity will be practically liquidated….Christ said when he returns will there be any faith left………………….that is the scary part.

          • Nan

            Christianity but not the Church. All we have to do is remain faithful.

          • Julie

            Wait….Our Lord ministers to us through the Church. There are no sacraments outside the Church.

            He never intended us to come to Him in book form but at the altar where we consume The Word Made Flesh. Can’t have this ministry of Our Lord anywhere else.

          • The Penitent Man Shall Pass

            You know what’s curious? Jesus abolished sacraments. He called them ‘useless works,’ if I’m not mistaken. In other words, you’re not going to please God by chanting a bunch of stuff over and over or The only thing he said to do was the breaking of bread and the wine. And say the Our Father. He never even mentioned the Hail Mary. Why do people say the Hail Mary? Jesus never told anyone to say it. It was an invention of the Catholic church. And why am I praying to Mary, anyway? Is she a god?No. God the Father is the guy with the real power. And when he comes back, there’s even a part where Jesus doesn’t want anyone to bow down even to him, just God the Father. Catholicism is highly suspicious, in my humble opinion…

            Not berating Catholics, or questioning their integrity. Just the upper management…

          • When someone machine-guns crap, it only makes smudge on the wall. Why not try for a change to shoot one single bullet at a time so we can show you its a smudge. Things like:

            “Jesus abolished sacraments. ”

            This is stupid. Marriage is a sacrament. Did Jesus abolish marriage?

          • Julie

            You are most mistaken because you simply do not know the true faith and practice given us by the apostles.

            Nobody is chanting mindless anything.

            He was most literal and He proved that in His precursor telling His many followers that they would eat His Body and drink His Blood, and most left.

            Peter said where would they go as only Christ could offer them eternal life. So at the Last Supper our Lord showed the apostles what He meant. The Tree of Life, Gen 3 is the Church, and the Fruit of the Church is Christ….to be as gods….to eat….but for us…our life is Christ and He personally feeds us with His Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity…the Word Made Flesh. He stands at the altar before the Heavenly Father, the Innocent Lamb Who shed His Blood for us, wounded but triumphant ministering to us….the Lamb with 7 eyes Who watch over us as the Good Shepherd…..baptism, penance, Holy Communion, Christ the Binding Agent of Matrimony, Confirmation where we are strengthened and confirmed for the Lord, Holy Orders who provide us the actual Ministry of Christ given to us…His life, His forgiveness and absolution, His strength…and eternal life with Him.

            Entering into Communion with the Holy Trinity is the first vocation of a Catholic/Orthodox…(Know who they are?)…..

            If you are pointing to useless rituals and words….you are pointing to those who only gave Christ lip service….but the daily sacrifice did not end….and it was fulfilled in the Mass…the Daily Sacrifice of the Mass said every hour of every day all over the world.

            Christ NEVER intended to come to us in a book we can hold in our hands and make it say what we want it to say…Instead, Christ wants us to come to Him.!

            You are talking like the typical American base sect.
            Go take a look at Revelations…the Daily Sacrifice, the altar…Rev 22….

            You have been indoctrinated by false preachers who put such a fear in you that it is impossible for you to think reasonably and study salvation history from documented salvation history.

            The great heresy was not to believe in the Eucharist. if you think you are receiving some bread and wine at some bible service..then turn around and throw the remains in the garbage…you certainly are on a different way that even with that behavior could not have passed among the gnostics.

          • Julie

            You look like a seventh day adventist whose founder was a woman and a numerologist. You don’t believe Christ established One spiritual and physical Church, and we know all about the bigotry of the seventh day who has a door with a big 7 next to it…numerology still at work.

            It is a cult.

          • Julie

            And show me in your local sect history book proving such claims….

          • Where does Jesus the Lord call ‘sacraments’ ‘useless works’?
            Where does the bible say God the Father is ‘coming back’ as in making an appearance? I thought we were waiting for the coming of the Lord Jesus. Where is it written that Jesus doesn’t want anyone to bow to him, only the Father? If you don’t have the Son, you don’t have the Father either. You say many things but don’t ever show any proof.

          • susan

            Here’s some of it Trevor. Ignore the areas where they’ve provided their own comments. We must wait and see what that part truly is.

            September 12, 1820

            “I saw a strange church being built against every rule…No angels were supervising the building operations. In that church, nothing came from high above…There was only division and chaos. It is probably a church of human creation, following the latest fashion, as well as the new heterodox Church of Rome [one world church of the False Prophet], which seems of the same kind…”

            “I saw again the strange big church that was being built there (in Rome). There was nothing holy in it. I saw this just as I saw a movement led by Ecclesiastics to which contributed angels, saints and other Christians. But there (in the strange big church) all the work was being done mechanically (i.e., according to set rules and formula). Everything was being done, according to human reason. I saw all sorts of people, things, doctrines, and opinions. There was something proud, presumptuous, and violent about it, and they seemed to be very successful. I did not see a single Angel nor a single saint helping in the work. But far away in the background, I saw the seat of a cruel people armed with spears, and I saw a laughing figure which said: ‘Do build it as solid as you can; we will put it to the ground’.”

            “I saw that many of the instruments in the new Church, such as spears and darts, were meant to be used against the living Church. Everyone dragged in something different: clubs, rods, pumps, cudgels, puppets, mirrors, trumpets, horns bellows – all sorts of things. In the cave below (the sacristy) some people kneaded bread, but nothing came of it; it would not rise. The men in the little mantles brought wood to the steps of the pulpit to make a fire. They puffed and blew and labored hard, but the fire would not burn. All they produced was smoke and fumes. Then they broke a hole in the roof and ran up a pipe, but the smoke would not rise, and the whole place became black and suffocating. Some blew the horns so violently that the tears streamed from their eyes. All in this church belonged to the earth, returned to the earth. All was dead, the work of human skill, a church of the latest style, a church of man’s invention like the new heterodox church in Rome.”

            September 27, 1820

            “I saw deplorable things: they were gambling, drinking, and talking in church; they were also courting women. All sorts of abominations were perpetrated there. Priests allowed everything and said Mass with much irreverence. I saw that few of them were still godly, and only a few had sound views on things. I also saw Jews standing under the porch of the Church [the Jews who will accept the Antichrist – John 5:43]. All these things caused me much distress.”

            October 1, 1820

            “The Church is in great danger. We must pray so that the Pope may not leave Rome; countless evils would result if he did. They are now demanding something from him. The Protestant doctrine and that of the schismatic Greeks are to spread everywhere. I now see that in this place (Rome) the (Catholic) Church is being so cleverly undermined, that there hardly remain a hundred or so priests who have not been deceived. They all work for destruction, even the clergy. A great devastation is now near at hand.”

            “In those days Faith will fall very low and it will be preserved in some places only.”

            “The Little Black Man in Rome, whom I see so often, has many working for him without their clearly knowing for what end. He has his agents in the New Black Church also. If the Pope leaves Rome, the enemies of the Church will get the upper hand. I see the Little Black Man in his own country committing many thefts and falsifying things generally. Religion is there so skillfully undermined and stifled that there are scarcely 100 faithful priests. I cannot say how it is, but I see fog and darkness increasing … All must be rebuilt soon; for everyone, even ecclesiastics, are laboring to destroy (and) ruin is at hand. The 2 enemies of the Church who have lost their accomplice are firmly resolved to destroy the pious and learned men that stand in their way…”

            October 4, 1820

            “When I saw the Church of St Peter in ruins and the manner in which so many of the clergy were themselves busy at this work of destruction – none of them wishing to do it openly in front of the others – I was in such distress that I cried out to Jesus with all my might, imploring His mercy. Then I saw before me the Heavenly Spouse, and He spoke to me for a long time…He said, among other things, that this translation of the Church from one place to another meant that she would seem to be in complete decline. But she would rise again; even if there remained but one Catholic, the Church would conquer again because she does not rest on human counsels and intelligence. It was shown to me that there were almost no Christians left in the old acceptation of the word.”

            October 7, 1820

            “As I was going through Rome with St. Francis and the other saint, we saw a great palace engulfed in flames from top to bottom. I was very much afraid that the occupants would be burned to death because no one came forward to put out the fire. As we came nearer, however, the fire abated and we saw the blackened building. We went through a number of magnificent rooms (untouched by the fire), and we finally reached the Pope. He was sitting in the dark and slept in a large arm-chair. He was very ill and weak; he could no longer walk. The ecclesiastics in the inner circle looked insincere and lacking in zeal; I did not like them. I told the Pope of the bishops who are to be appointed soon. I told him also that he must not leave Rome. If he did so, it would be chaos. He thought that the evil was inevitable and that he should leave in order to save many things beside himself. He was very much inclined to leave Rome, and he was insistently urged to do so. The Pope is still attached to the things of this earth in many ways…”

            “The Church is completely isolated and as if completely deserted. It seems that everyone is running away. Everywhere I see great misery, hatred, treason, rancor, confusion and utter blindness. O city! O city! What is threatening thee? The storm is coming, do be watchful!…”

            June 1, 1821

            “Among the strangest things that I saw, were long processions of bishops. Their thoughts and utterances were made known to me through images issuing from their mouths. Their faults towards religion were shown by external deformities. A few had only a body, with a dark cloud of fog instead of a head. Others had only a head, their bodies and hearts were like thick vapors. Some were lame; others were paralytics; others were asleep or staggering. I saw what I believe to be nearly all the bishops of the world, but only a small number were perfectly sound. I also saw the Holy Father – God-fearing and prayerful. Nothing left to be desired in his appearance, but he was weakened by old age and by much suffering. His head was lolling from side to side, and it dropped onto his chest as if he was falling asleep He often fainted and seemed to be dying. But when he was praying, he was often comforted by apparitions from Heaven. Then, his head was erect, but as soon as it dropped again onto his chest, I saw a number of people looking quickly right and left, that is, in the direction of the world…”

            “Then I saw that everything pertaining to Protestantism was gradually gaining the upper hand, and the Catholic religion fell into complete decadence. Most priests were lured by the glittering but false knowledge of young school-teachers, and they all contributed to the work of destruction. In those days, Faith will fall very low, and it will be preserved in some places only, in a few cottages and in a few families which God has protected from disasters and wars…”

            1820-1821

            “I also saw the various regions of the earth. My Guide (Jesus) named Europe and pointing to a small and sandy region, He uttered these words: ‘Here is Prussia (East Germany), the enemy.’ Then He showed me another place, to the north, and He said: ‘This is Moskva, the land of Moscow, bringing many evils’.”

            “I see many excommunicated ecclesiastics who do not seem to be concerned about it, nor even aware of it. Yet, they are (ipso factor) excommunicated whenever they cooperated to [sic] enterprises, enter into associations, and embrace opinions on which an anathema has been cast[i.e. become Freemasons]. It can be seen thereby that God ratifies the decrees, orders, and interdictions issued by the Head of the Church, and that He keeps them in force even though men show no concern for them, reject them, or laugh them to scorn.”

            April 22, 1823

            “I saw that many pastors allowed themselves to be taken up with ideas that were dangerous to the Church. They were building a great, strange, and extravagant Church. Everyone was to be admitted in it in order to be united and have equal rights: Evangelicals, Catholics sects of every description. Such was to be the new Church…But God had other designs…”

            “I see that when the Second Coming of Christ approaches, a bad priest[Francis] will do much harm to the Church. When the time of the reign of Antichrist is near, a false religion will appear which will be opposed to the unity of God and His Church. This will cause the greatest schism the world has ever known. The nearer the time of the end, the more the darkness of Satan will spread on earth, the greater will be the number of the children of corruption, and the number of the just will correspondingly diminish…”

            “They built a large, singular, extravagant church which was to embrace all creeds with equal rights: Evangelicals, Catholics, and all denominations, a true communion of the unholy with one shepherd and one flock. There was to be a Pope, a salaried Pope, without possessions. All was made ready, many things finished; but, in place of an altar, were only abomination and desolation. Such was the new church to be, and it was for it that he had set fire to the old one; but God designed otherwise….”

            “I came to the Church of Peter and Paul (Rome) and saw a dark world of distress, confusion, and corruption, through which shone countless graces from thousands of saints who there repose…”

            “I saw the fatal consequences of this counterfeit church: I saw it increase; I saw heretics of all kinds flocking to the city. I saw the ever-increasing tepidity of the clergy, the circle of darkness ever widening…”

            “Again I saw in the midst of these disasters the twelve new Apostles laboring in different countries, unknown to one another, each receiving streams of living water from on high They all did the same work. They know not whence they received their tasks; but as soon as one was finished, another was ready for them…”

            “The Jews shall return to Palestine, and become Christians toward the end of the world.”

            October 22, 1822

            “Very bad times will come when non-Catholics will lead many people astray. A great confusion will result. I saw the battle also. The enemies were far more numerous, but the small army of the faithful cut down whole rows of enemy soldiers. During the battle, the Blessed Virgin stood on a hill, wearing a suit armor. It was a terrible war. At the end, only a few fighters for the just cause survived, but the victory was theirs…”

          • I’m going to have to give this another read. Alarm are ringing furiously in my head.

          • Nan

            Public revelation died with the last Apostle. We’re not bound to follow private revelation

          • Nan, I am trying to be patient with you, but sometime it is like you are talking to me as if I am a child. I am well aware of the Church’s stance on public and private prophecy.

            I am a quick study.

          • Nan

            Yet you’re reading things of dubious origin.

          • So I’m not allowed to read and think?

          • Grandmere

            It’s always the same with this one.

          • It’s always something…

          • Nan

            Why, because I don’t think it’s appropriate to read questionable unapproved sources?

          • susan

            So the Pope were wrong to consecrate Russia? They should have listened to you instead of Sister Lucia?

          • Nan

            I’m looking out for your immortal soul by cautioning you against material from questionable sources lest you get sucked into something unholy.

          • Kelly ann

            Go ahead read it Trevor, no pope has ever condemned the saints writings. It’s her writings the movie , the passion of the Christ was based on. If you watched that movie , then you watched the saints work.

          • Kelly ann

            Did the pope ever say that we cannot read this prophesy ? Was it condemned?

            Dubious

            What’s dubious !
            Reading the works of a saint or reading lord of the rings?

          • susan

            Wouldn’t you consider Our Lady of Guadalupe to be a revelation that should have been ignored? You are an extremist. And not in a good way.

          • Susan, first thank for the link you shared a few days back. I enjoy reading history and will get back to that web site for more. As to this person, Nan, do we actually know she is catholic? Maybe a bitter former catholic? I’m getting tired of rolling my eyes every time she makes a comment, because every time she does that it drips of some toxic spirit, that she knows and nobody else does. I always suspect those who won’t allow the possibility they are in error on something but are quick to accuse others of being in error.

          • Grandmere

            She only drops by occasionally. Just don’t dialog with her and she’ll go away. Peace brother.

          • susan

            Nan is correct that we should be cautious and then she goes too far.. excluding EVERYTHING. History has proven Nan is in error factually and scripturally. 🙂

          • susan

            You’re welcome Craig. Many people here helped me when i first began to look into Catholicism. :))

          • Kelly ann

            What what do you think of the divine mercy movement in the church today ?

          • Grandmere

            Wow! I will have to ponder on this. Thanks, Sis.

          • Nan

            What’s the source and is it from an approved apparition?

          • Julie

            Sounds somewhat like Ven Catherine Emmerich…whose writings inspired mel gibson,’The Passion’.

          • susan

            Catherine Emmerich. And yes she is approved. I learned my lesson. I told Trevor to ignore the comments written by the authors of the website. They are the ones in [ ].

          • Nan

            Untrue. While she’s beatified, that has nothing to do with the writing attributed to her, which is believed to have originated with another who claimed it was hers. She was beatified for her personal piety.

          • susan

            So what are you implying?

          • racarrera

            Could it mean that Benedict XVI fleed, in a sense?

          • susan

            It is interesting. This was also before the World Wars. Some of it obviously pertains to that period. The other parts are towards the end. I did not post the part of the two popes because i could not find it without people’s extensive commentaries. We must not rely too much on other’s interpretations of these events. St Catherine Hemmerich is the mystic and stigmatic who saw these events.

          • Nan

            No. He’s in the Vatican gardens, praying.

          • racarrera

            God willing, for a long time.

          • Julie

            No.

            I remember when he was first elected, his brother was so concerned he did not have the health for the office.

            He was removing a bad bishop and priest a month….did alot of work…

          • Nan

            Stop it. Sr. Lucia said Russia was consecrated. End of story.

          • Take it easy, Nan. There are Catholics who will disagree with you.

            As for me, I agree with you because given that Julie shared the link to Mystic Post dot com, there was a fascinating blog post about Russia and how the resurgence of the Russian Orthodox Church have become a force in Russia and outside caught my attention. Second, the sudden collapse of communism in Russia was so quick it caused many to scratch their heads and say, “Perhaps God’s hand was in this,” and I will agree.

            This bring me to an earlier assessment I once made, I believe that the third secret of Fatima may have been horribly misinterpreted. Many fear Russia when they should fear Turkey.

          • Julie

            Trevor, the mess that you see in the Church…on our side of the pond…was by communist infiltration into our American and Canadian seminaries….lukewarm congregationalists without the Cross.

            There are things that happened in my diocese that are too bad to put in here. A young prominent priest here, I am old enough to be his mother, affirmed me without me saying anything.

            the other is the illuminati….

            We were to pray for the conversion of Russia or else her errors would spread everywhere. I was in an African country that went Marxist.

            We have neo Marxism at work in racial politics in our country and there are a number of American communists in government politics.

            I remember seeing the Marxists come in, African Marxists, with great empathy for the needs of their people, but once in power, they were worse than the Portuguese colonialist rulers.

            South America is Marxist and is the source of sending up all these gangs into our country to cause all sorts of crime…the Mindzenty Report, mid 1990’s, Phyllis Schafly….

            Russia was ready to start WWWIII at the Polish border and then the pope consecrated Russia, only impelled after nearly losing his life May 13…feast of Fatima 1982…remember it so so clearly!

            Sr Lucia said we are ex periencing Books 8 through 13…which I think through Mary of Guadalupe we are bridging into 13…which I see as Turkey, the militant atheistic corrupt of Russia, the Chinese Communists, Iran, and other militant Muslims, as well as all sorts of people vulnerable to commit acts of evil…

          • Nan

            It’s funny because you need more than the sister who saw the apparitions in order to believe. Belief isn’t an intellectual exercise.

          • Appreciate you trying to look out for me but it feels like you are just belittling. So I’ll just walk away.

          • susan

            Very controlling…this “Nan” person. I haven’t seen behavior like this before.

          • Grandmere

            She stops by now and then after downing a pint of vinegar.

          • susan

            I’ve noticed that people pick and choose the visions of St Catherine Emmerich and apply their own interpretation to it just as they do in the bible. Like you, i believe Russia has been consecrated.
            Howard Kainz wrote the following article February 28, 2015. And i agree with him.

            The 1917 apparitions of the Virgin Mary to three children at Fátima (ending in October of that year with the greatest historical public miracle before 70,000 observers) offer us without doubt a formidable example of Our Lady’s loving intervention, to warn the world of coming threats, and offer powerful remedies to avoid wars and achieve peace.

            But the proper interpretation of Fátima is of the utmost importance.

            For some decades, the Canadian priest, Fr. Nicholas Gruner, the “Fátima priest,” and the Fátima Center that he founded, have been claiming that the ills that the world and, especially, the Church are now suffering could be avoided if only the consecration of Russia by the pope and the bishops of the world, requested by Our Lady in a vision to Sr. Lucia on December 10, 1925, had been done correctly. By “correctly,” Gruner means mentioning Russia by name.

            In December 1983, Pope John Paul II consulted with Sister Lucia, the only Fátima visionary then still living, about fulfillment of Our Lady’s wishes. He sent out letters to all the bishops of the world to join him in the consecration of Russia and the world on March 25, 1984. The consecration of the world was duly carried out, and the pope added, diplomatically, perhaps with a view to the ongoing threats of the Soviet Union to the Solidarity Movement in Poland: “In a special way we entrust and consecrate to you those individuals and nations that particularly need to be thus entrusted and consecrated.”

            Afterwards, Sr. Lucia wrote that the pope had fulfilled Our Lady’s requests; and several years later, the world witnessed the collapse of the Berlin wall and the dismantling of the Soviet Union. As I have written elsewhere, and in a follow-up article, the promised “conversion” of Russia seems to have begun, with religious freedom, a massive proliferation of churches, monasteries, and seminaries, and church attendance almost comparable to that in Portugal, where, as Our Lady promised Sr. Lucia, “the doctrine of faith will always be preserved.”

            But Fr. Gruner and his fellow Fatimists maintain that the consecration has to be done over, mentioning Russia by name, and that the five minutes spent doing this will bring about a miraculous conversion the likes of which the world has never seen. Gruner has even recommended a novel, Russian Sunrise, in which a Gruner “avatar” appears under the name of Fr. Nicholas Gottschalk, who finally convinces the pope follow his advice, leading to miraculous changes in Russia.

            An alleged Vatican “conspiracy” of silence does not end there, but according to the Fatimists, the Third Secret of Fátima, revealed by Pope John Paul II in 2000, is missing an essential second part. Sr. Lucia herself, when she revealed the third secret in 1944 and sent it to the Vatican in 1957, said she could only give the details of what she was actually shown. But that she was not allowed to give Our Lady’s explanation, which was made known to her.

            The Fatimists, however, have no such hesitation. They suspect that some “missing text” relates apocalyptically “to the vision in which the Virgin explains in Her own words how an internal crisis of faith and discipline in the Church is accompanied by a chastisement of the whole world.” Or else perhaps: “the secret foresaw the changes of the Second Vatican Council, especially in liturgy and ecumenical dialogue, as part of the ‘great apostasy’ which Church leaders refuse to acknowledge.”

            Conspiracy theories aside, we should focus on the essential message of Fátima. In the 1917 May and June Fátima apparitions, the three children were asked to pray the rosary every day for the end of World War I and peace for the world. This is her primary request.

            Witnessing the “miracle of the sun” at Fátima, Portugal, October 13, 1917
            Witnessing the “miracle of the sun” at Fátima, Portugal, October 13, 1917
            On December 10, 1925, Our Lady also made another extraordinary request/promise – the Five First Saturdays: “I promise to assist at the hour of death, with the graces necessary for salvation, all those who, on the first Saturday of five consecutive months, shall confess, receive Holy Communion, recite five decades of the Rosary, and keep me company for 15 minutes while meditating on the 15 mysteries of the Rosary, with the intention of making reparation to me.”

            Why “five” First Saturdays? To make reparation for the five blasphemies against the Immaculate Heart of Mary. On May 29, 1930, Our Lord explained to Sr. Lucia what these blasphemies were:

            1. Against Mary’s Immaculate Conception. Although Martin Luther himself held to the lifelong sinlessness of Mary and probably also her Immaculate Conception, Protestants generally deny this because of lack of explicit Biblical confirmation. Many Orthodox doubt it, because it would imply a cleansing from original sin before the advent of the Redeemer.

            You may also like Fr. Bevil Bramwell’s “Feast of Mary, Mother of God”
            2. Against Mary’s Perpetual Virginity. Although Luther, Calvin and Zwingli affirmed the perpetual virginity of Mary, most Protestants now deny this, assuming that references in the Gospels to Jesus’ “brothers” and “sisters” have to do with biological siblings rather than, as often in the Bible, cousins or other relationships. As if, after giving birth to the very Son of God, Mary might be interested in having other children! Or as if Mary had other children, but none of them were willing to care for her after the Crucifixion; St. John, apparently, being the only person available.

            3. Her divine maternity and motherhood of all mankind. Although Luther, Calvin, and Zwingli discouraged veneration of saints, they made an exception for the Virgin Mary. Orthodox also have traditionally reverenced the Theotokos (“God-bearer”). However, now many Protestants ignore Mary and the possibility of her intercession; even many fervent fundamentalists devoted to the Bible are hostile, considering the honoring of Mary to be detrimental to faith in Christ.

            4. The attempt to publicly implant in children’s hearts indifference toward, contempt and even hatred for their Immaculate Mother: It is sad to contemplate the attitude of some Protestants who think they are doing a service to God by inculcating hostility to Mary in their children; and even sadder to think of Catholics of liberal or feminist persuasions who are afraid that any exposure to Mary will give their children ideologically unacceptable concepts of womanhood.

            5. The offense of those who insult her directly by profaning her sacred images: We have seen numerous incidents of this even in recent years: A 1999 painting, included in a Brooklyn Museum show, “Sensation,” depicted the Virgin Mary stained with elephant dung; some New Zealanders in 2011 constructed a billboard with the Blessed Virgin holding a pregnancy test in one hand, covering her mouth in surprise with the other; Belfast Protestants in 2012 placed a statue of the Virgin Mary atop their Shankir bonfire celebrations; in 2014 ISIL destroyed the statue of Mary in the Virgin Mary church in Mosul, and blew up the church; in Perugia, Italy, this January, five Muslims destroyed the statue of Mary in the St. Barnabas chapel, and urinated on it. Such incidents are becoming more frequent along with destruction of Catholic churches in the Middle East.

            At the First Saturday Mass this month, I was struck by the sparseness of attendance, aside from the usual daily-Mass goers. Are so few Catholics interested in fulfilling heaven’s request for reparation for the multiple offenses against the Blessed Virgin? Do they even make the Five First Saturdays once, in order to avail themselves of the extraordinary graces promised by Mary? How many Catholics say a daily rosary – which was the first and surely the most important and simple request of Our Lady of Fátima?

            A most urgent mandate from heaven now is to repair insults to Mary’s Immaculate Heart. Our Lord in his glorified body presumably has bodily emotions. Pope Francis’ recent comment about a man’s natural reaction about hearing insults to his mother may not be an inappropriate analogy.

            But do the Fatimists really think if the pope redoes the “consecration of Russia” verbatim in five minutes, that all of a sudden miraculous conversions are going to take place, among the great masses of Christians – who are busy contracepting like the pagans, promoting sodomy, and profaning marriage?

            Hello! The Soviet Union is no longer persecuting Christians, and “spreading its errors throughout the world.” Islamists are doing that now. Our Lady didn’t divulge any secrets about Islam at Fátima. No special “secrets” are necessary for those of us who, even intermittently, follow world news. The spiritual crises are clear. But the main, essential solution Mary offered at Fátima is still completely relevant. If you think the world is going to hell in a hand basket, it’s time to start following the indispensible simple requests of Our Lady – the daily rosary and the five First Saturdays.

          • Right, the Soviet Union is dead.

          • susan

            There’s some leftovers in any organization. Mary said her Immaculate heart would win. It has and it will again. Islam has been named as the antichrist religion by many of the early church Fathers. It’s the head we now see arising again…back from its mortal wound. All the pieces fit. We’re in Revelations now.

          • Kelly ann

            It’s archived at Fr Gruners website , n Fr Paul Kramer I don’t know if you know about Fr Kramer, he’s has a number of books concerning what’s happening . was videoed talking mr putins visit with the pope , he has close friends in the Vatican it’s posted on you tube, this is still all talked about among catholic circles as well. Let me find Fr Paul for you. Fr Kramer n Fr Gruner knew each other well as well as Fr Hesse n others.

            https://youtu.be/ghrGZQ7ltr4

          • Kelly ann

            Mr Putin to my knowledge has not made a national announcement regarding the matter. But he knows what will end it, ( Fatima) he has on numerous occasions made comments concerning the lack of Christian values in the west especially in Europe, You just have to go through his speeches. Keep in mind Mr Putin is a politician not a priest.

          • racarrera

            People really need to learn Russian history. The Bogodoritsa (or the Virgin Mary) has never, ever left Russia. She was there during the worst of Communism. Yet too many Catholic scholars utterly disregard Orthodox history, which is why we don’t, and can never, see things the same way regarding occurrences like Fatima.

          • Julie

            We were told of the great sufferings of the Orthodox by the sisters who also taught us to pray the rosary and do penance and we watched the old film of Fatima at our school…I was pretty young then, but remember it…and getting under our desks if we have nuclear war….

            I don’t know what Catholic scholars you are implying…

          • Nan

            I saw the icon at St Isaac’s Cathedral that was taken home and hidden, to be brought back to the church when it was safe. Also have old lithograph of Joy for all who Sorrow with Coins, purchased from the estate of a woman whose family fled to Finland during the revolution. It’s beautiful and in a case that must’ve originally held a hand painted icon.

            In the Ruthenian Church, there’s an icon given by Pius IX when Vienna wouldn’t return Maria Porch after the Habsburg empire crumbled. It was hidden shortly after receipt due to communism, at the Metropolitan’s sister’s place but subsequently hidden at a neighbor’s to ensure her safety. She was returned after communism fell and has been copied for each parish.

          • Kelly ann

            People really need to learn the history of Fatima.

            No nation is so important that they can overshadow it with their own history.

            I never recalled anything in Fatima that God required Russia’s permission.

            Many Russians don’t agree with you. There is division on it same as in the Catholic Church.

            you comment still doesn’t change the fact that Mr Putin contacted the Fatima priest here in my country. And that Mr Putin ask the Pope about it.

            If your Russian history is so important that it undermines Fatima , then why did Mr Putin want to know everything about it?

          • racarrera

            Few Russians agree with you. You’re barking up the wrong tree here. Just because Putin wants this to happen, as a political gesture, and was frankly spat upon by Roman delegates after making this comment, it means nothing from a theological point of view. You simply choose to deny that Mary never left us, and that Orthodox do not hold at all to Fatima, nor are we bound to.

          • Kelly ann

            Yes I know he was. Which was very wrong , but that’s the modernist neocons for you. Are you aware of this new heresy ? Fr Kramer is very much upset by this as with a lot of Cats.

            This is not theology , this is and order form heaven. Here you are mistaken on that point. Our theology is the dogma of the faith which we share up to the great schism. Maybe you don’t want this rif to heal, you’d rather see the church ripped apart.

            I’ve read the letters from Russians to Rome, doesn’t look like a very few to me, unless they of course were all bunchered behind the once iron curtai with the bishops and priest Paul VI sent in during his pontificate.

            Many have been interviewed in Russia. Which conflicts with your claim.

            It is not the people themselves that need the consecration, it’s the nation in itself, communism is a antichrist Political system based on Karl Marx fundamentals, the Russian people were victims of this terrible regime.

            If you read your bible , which I’m sure you do, you will see that anything that has been disacrated has to be consecrated back to God. Russia simply put, under the Bolshevik regime was disacrated.
            Yet so many Christians were butchered there. Many don’t know what happened behind the iron curtain this is true. But Russia is not Bolshevik anymore.

            There is nothing I’d like more than to see your Mother Russia rise up again and put a stop to the worlds Violence. Russia is also the patron of the eastern Christians, why can’t Russia protect them at this time? They are being butchered by the thousands and still Russia is unable to help them without risking World war with nukes may I add.

            maybe Russia is not Gods chosen nation to do this in your mind, but then again your not a Roman Catholic, so it’s understandable why you have a different theology, which is not my theology. Heck even the church is divided on this today , one side the modernist neocons infiltrated within the church wants to destroy Our Lady . But she promised she will triumph over it. Are you a supporter of the modernist neocons?

            You may like the idea that Trad Cats insist this, but you just don’t like the method by which this is done, that it involves the Roman Catholic Church directly by means of Our Pope and Bishops , whom you reject.

            Plus I didn’t invite you into to conversation , you chose to butt in.

            What’s so offensive about Our Lady’s request concerning Russia that makes you so squeamish ? To me this is an incredible blessing .

            Consecration means : setting aside something for a special purpose and task from God.

            What could be so offensive about that ?

            Is King Davids consecration offensive to you?
            Or St Paul’s for that matter. Look at what God did through him.

            The recognized nation of Russia to the world that it’s Our Lady’s nation is needed, arnt you sick of the Russian hate in the west ? I know I am, it’s sickening.

            So go bark at someone else, because with out this request, Russia will not be recognized and always looked upon as a enemy nation rather than a ally. as NATO closes in on the nation with their nukes circling the boarders, the devil wants to destroy Russia, or can’t you see this yet?

            like I said God did not ask for the Russia’s permission. This is his will not yours or mine or anyone ones , not even the one who holds the keys to heaven has any say over this. Yet they have resisted john XXIII afraid of the Bolsheviks , Paul VI appeaser while ignoring those he sent to their deaths, JPII looked for a secular solution which failed, Benedict XVI did nothing, now FI is gone off his rocker altogether.

            Mr Putin is a very smart man. One of the few leaders left with common sense. He doesn’t need teleprompters when he speaks like Obama.

            Our Lady always wants to be with Russia , so why don’t the opposers ( modernist ) allow it to be so?

            Will a simple 5 min prayer kill you? Or will the nukes do the job?

            I’m afraid we will never see things alike regarding this grave matter. So your wasting your time.

          • Kelly ann

            She was there to collect the martyrs who died for the faith, but that didn’t stop the persecution now did it?

          • racarrera

            The persecution happened. It happened before in other Orthodox lands, and for a while in places like Spain. Did Mary leave these people? No. There are plenty of counter-arguments against Fatima, but if you choose to ignore them, that’s fine.

            By the way, I am a former Roman Catholic who converted after weighing the evidence for several years between both faiths. Now you know.

          • Kelly ann

            That is all part of the apostasy within the church, sorry you left.
            Your among millions who has left.

            I don’t listen to arguements to despise the Virgin ,who can argue against the Virgins own words?

            What man has the pride big enough to argue with the Virgin?

          • racarrera

            We have ‘pride’ enough to question apparitions that may not be actual.

            http://www.johnsanidopoulos.com/2009/08/troubling-aspects-of-catholic-marian.html

            http://www.orthodox.org/Fatima.pdf

            If you wish to keep trying to lie to me about hating the Virgin, that’s your problem. This is a coward’s defense, and I won’t bother engaging you in it. If you can’t answer the questions raised by these posts, then you have no case. Simple as that.

          • Hey Racarrera, you provide some of the best links to help me learn. I appreciate it.

          • racarrera

            Here to help, dear brother! I don’t like shrews telling me I’m prideful because I don’t adhere to their personal beliefs, especially since I go out of my way to protect Catholics as much as Orthodox.

            We have some of the best people here, and all are worth defending, but I have no time for nonsense (plenty of time, however, for family in Christ).

          • Grandmere

            Thank you, brother for the excellent links. I agree with the Orthodox position as you probably already knew.

          • racarrera

            Always a pleasure to help, Grandmere. I say the Catholics are like Ivory soap, 99 44/100% good theology. The differences we have are stark, but we’re a short bridge away from healing, if we can have honest discussions. And based on the majority of people who write here (excepting, of course, the peanut gallery), we do pretty well helping each other out.

          • Any answer to the questions I asked racarrera? Its a multiple choice 3 questions above. Here they are:

            I read both links. I will protest and plaster my 3 questions on your gate 😉

            So here are my three questions:

            1–Did the apparition in Zeitun Egypt stop the Muslim persecution? Just a Yes or No. No explanations necessary.

            2–Did the Guadalupe convert the pagan Mayans? Just a yes or No. No explanation necessary.

            3–Is St. Irenaeus wrong when he said in his Against the Heresies, A.D. 203: “But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the successions of all the Churches, we shall confound those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient Church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious Apostles, Peter and Paul, that Church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the Apostles. For with this Church, because of its superior origin, all Churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world; and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the Apostolic tradition.” (Jurgens, The Faith of the Early Fathers, Liturgical Press, Vol. 1: 210.)

            Just a Yes or No. Without explanation. This way I make this quiz easy.

          • Grandmere

            Yes, Yes, No

          • You copied Carrera’s answers 😉

          • Grandmere

            The questions were yes/no. I agreed with Rudy. I smell a nice little tidbit of Jarlsburg in your pocket, you wily ole Chef.

          • After my initial reading of some of this, and I say i care about Catholics, I can’t join their church. Somehow I have to contact an Orthodox church. I would have to lie to be accepted into the Catholic church. I can’t! Life just got clearer for me and more difficult.

          • racarrera

            My apologies.

          • you apologise that I am directed to the orthodox church? Why?

          • racarrera

            I don’t like offending my Catholic brothers. At the same time, I will speak the truth as how I see it.

          • So you were apologising to your Catholic brothers? I’m 62. I’m not young. I’m desperately trying to connect to the ancient, apostolic church. I believe in the Lord Jesus. Shall I become Catholic? You left the Roman Catholic church. I’ve always felt on my own. Maybe I still am. I have to find my own way. But I am not near qualified for this. Lord help me.

          • racarrera

            If you ask my opinion, I will only say that I found the complete church in Eastern Orthodoxy. It is why I left Rome, and I hope that she reforms herself to the state we had when all of us were in communion together. And God willing, it will happen in our lifetime.

          • Got it. I’m on my own. Why am I not surprised? With the Lord’s grace I will find my way.

          • racarrera

            You will. But you won’t go it alone. You have friends who are here to help with any question you may have.

          • Grandmere

            He is already helping you, Craig. You have many friends here as well.

          • Yes, I know, and thank you Grandmere. I was just really surprised that he would apologise for providing information which reveals a problem with Catholic teaching. But he is a real good guy, no doubt. It was an analysis of the apparition of Fatima and that it mostly was about promoting Catholic teaching. One of those innovations is that they have elevated the mother of the Lord to the position of mediator and Godhood, equal with the Father and Son. I admit much of what I’ve read of Catholic teaching is well supported. But there are a few issues. the supremacy of the Pope is one. Another one that nags at me is what appears to be a contradiction on the fate of those who are not baptised. It has been said little children or even the unborn who die can’t go to heaven since they are not baptised. They invent an imaginary place called limbo. I thought that was a dance. Yet in another place they say if a person has never heard the gospel, for example north American Indians in the year 1000, yet they lived a righteous life as best they could out of love for ‘the great spirit’ as they understood Him from nature, they may go to heaven. This is based on these words:
            John 15:22 “If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.”
            And Mr. Higlac thinks his life and thinking is complicated and slow. Move over friend. You got company!

          • Grandmere

            When I said “He is already helping you” I meant it as a reply to your prayer “Lord, help me” not any particular person here. The Orthodox and the Anglican are very close in belief. Like Rudy, I have many precious brothers and sisters here in the Catholic church. Family members as well. I like how Rudy put it. We can disagree on some issues without descending into vitriol and uncharitable dialog. When I first came here, Walid was not a member of the Roman Catholic Church. I would never abandon him now, nor would he abandon me.

          • And I feel the same. I don’t much like vitriol and uncharitable dialogue and if I should ever resort to such you can simply call me Anatoly and send me to ‘the island’ where I can rant, rave and carry on as a mad man. 🙂

          • Kelly ann

            Pride is one of the deadly sins

          • See above. The key in miracles is to identify the results. Russia was under communism and Fatima wanted the end of it. Zeitun was under Egypt and Islam was persecuting the Copts and that apparition stopped the persecution and in Mexico Guadalupe came to convert pagans. Jesus said “you shall know them by their fruits” The fruits of these apparitions was conversions and salvation. Therefore, anything that wants to debate this must also refute the results. The sacred heart of Mary is in the Guadalupe from the Arabic Wadda-Lubba (the love of her heart) that is the Sacred Heart of Mary. It is an amazing discovery for me sister Kelly reviewing what Arabs called Guadalupe. I look at results and I try to avoid debate. However, I still love brother racarrera.

          • racarrera

            As brother Carrera loves you. Ted and I talked about this in the past, and we’re fixed in our defenses, but even with that, I see Orthodoxy in you and in some ways, I’d gather Ted still sees Catholicism in me. And that pleases me to no end, as we’re both after reunification done right.

          • We love you too brother racarrera. Awaiting your answers to my 3 thesis at the door of your Castle Church 😉

          • racarrera

            Oh, they should have arrived!

            1. Yes
            2. Yes.
            3. No.

          • I would agree to that. You’re a straight shooter I must say.

          • Kelly ann

            Yes, I understand, but I cannot deny the truth Mr Shoebat , nor did I invite him to debate it with me. He accuses me of being a liar, but my charity is first to love the truth and second to defend it. That is my Catholic duty. Burning burning in my mind and heart for the truth.so I’ll defend it, regardless if I produce no fruit . I ponder these words of Our Lord regarding this, see what Our Lord said with emphasis added,

            If we do not ” stand in the truth ” then neither are we of God ”
            The words of Our Lord bore no fruit when they fell on the ears of such men.

            our Lord ” why do you not know my speech ? ” because you cannot hear my word. You are of your father the devil….if I say the truth to you, why do you not believe me?” He that is of God hearth the words of God. Therefore you hear them not, because you are not of God.”
            Book of John ch 8

            All of the approved apprations of Our Lady from Guadalupe to Fatima and all in between approved by the church, they are all about the truth. Whenever Our Lord and Our Lady comes to us, it is to bear witness to the truth.

            Fatima is for our times it’s what the church describes the most prophetic message of Our time, this same Lady is non other than the Holy Mother of God, who sent Her. Same Lady of Guadalupe , Lourdes, La salette , good success and a number more.
            Guadalupe she defeated the ottomans and converted the Aztecs, in Fatima she is targeting the Muslims, and the apostates for conversion.

            She came to Mexico in response to A distressed bishop In Mexico, because the missionaries weren’t have much success converting the people to the faith, but when God Almighty Sent Our Lady there was a explosion of Conversions. This amazes me truly a miracle from heaven, I can never over come the astonishment of the power of Our Lady in her commission God -Almighty has granted her. This is the truth Mr Shoebat, she will do to the Muslims what she did in Mexico, I have great hope for the Muslims, all because of our lady, when her triumph comes you will see millions converting in a very short period of time, like Mexico.

            Regarding the young chap who accuses me of telling him lies about Fatima, which he outright rejects , should I defend the truth for fear of God and the love of the truth or should I stay silent for fear of offending a human who disagrees with my belief ? Yes persecution is a sweet passion. But seriously he butted in from the very beginning and admonish me for my belief . Yes I know I’m suppose to be the better person here because I’m Catholic, but does that mean I have be silent and not defend my belief ? Roman Catholic is my religion and I’ll defend it Mr Shoebat, like you I’m labeled a demon worshipper , and I’m so against ecumenism because it compromises the faith. It makes Lord Jesus no better than Buddhah, or Mohammad or heresy ( perversion of the gospel ) or some African voodoo cult and so on. And Fatima is a touchy subject it seems. But why ? Why is Fatima so offensive ? I don’t understand this.

            Will our Lord be pleased with me? Because I stayed silent about the false accusations concerning his Mother who is also My Mother? our Lord told st Bridget that sins committed against him doesn’t offend him as much as the sins committed against his mother. I shutter to think of silence Which gives evil it’s sway, which is why we are in this mess in the first place.

            Now don’t get me wrong I’m not arguing with you in any way , as a matter of fact I have great respect and love for you, But I Love My Holy Mother, she is more of a Mother to me than my bio mom ever was.

            The young chap has free will and can chose to believe what ever he wants. even God the Father does not interfere with free will. Our Lady of Fatima fruits have not yet been fulfilled, because the popes have not obey her request which comes directly from Her Son.
            Where’s world peace? Where is the mass conversion ? We were given a time frame, and it’s almost out. our Lady said in the end my Immaculate Heart will Triumph , end of what exactly ? What is she talking a about ? I assure you Mr Shoebat Our Lady Of Fatima is the same Lady of Guadalupe, La salette , good success , Akita and Lourdes, her message is always the same, Guadalupe goes back to Calvary. Like you Mr Shoebat I’m astonished and can’t stop asking and seeking .

            I don’t know if you know this but, The church always taught that the antichrist will come when Catholics no longer have a love of the truth. I’m doing my part as best I can at the moment, And I still have so much to learn.

            Speaking of Our Lady of Guadalupe, have you watched the documentary called the Blood and the Rose ? I myself have not, but I heard it’s amazing. Ive posted a link below for you if you havent seen it. I’d love to see it. I’m very much into Our Lady’s message and devoted to Our lady

            You know Protestants wear these bracelets saying what would Jesus do?
            Well the first thing Jesus done was go to his mother, and submitted himself under her will and care. the great saints teach us that Our Lady’s will was in perfect obedience to God the Fathers will.

            Louie could not speak enough good about the blood and the Rose, He’s your American Italian Catholic brother.
            Here’s his speech on it.
            https://youtu.be/2faGfIOOibU

            His has his own Catholic blog site and is trying to alert Catholics about Islam, I believe you could be a great help to him. Here’s his link

            https://akacatholic.com/

            The link to the documentary.

            http://thebloodandtherose.com/

            It’s so ironic Mr Shoebat ,there are Catholic bloggers talking about Islam, and here you are the expert to teach it. I think it’s time for you to be going to the Fatima conferences, and teach them about the Muruna and what Islam thinks, Mr Bill Warren has done dinner meetings with bishops but nothing. They are silent in the face of this evil , bishop ( Greek for watchman ) and his duties are just as the Old Testament described.

            Fr Mgstr Perez said “things are going to get so bad that Catholics will be walking on their knees to Almighty God and to His beloved Mother Our Lady .” Only she can help us in our times.

            God bless my beloved brother and teacher, and I’ll try my best not to argue and stir up any trouble. 🙂

          • I read both links.

            So here are my two questions:

            1–Did the apparition in Zeitun Egypt stop the Muslim persecution? Just a Yes or No. No explanations necessary.

            2–Did the Guadalupe convert the pagan Mayans? Just a yes or No. No explanation necessary.

            3–Is St. Irenaeus wrong when he said in his Against the Heresies, A.D. 203: “But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the successions of all the Churches, we shall confound those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient Church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious Apostles, Peter and Paul, that Church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the Apostles. For with this Church, because of its superior origin, all Churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world; and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the Apostolic tradition.” (Jurgens, The Faith of the Early Fathers, Liturgical Press, Vol. 1: 210.)

            Just a Yes or No. Without explanation. This way I make this quiz easy.

          • racarrera

            Fair question, deserving of a fair answer:

            1. Yes.
            2. Yes.
            3. No.

          • Love the Orthodox. Last question: why when I ask the Protestants for a Yes or No, I never get a single Yes or a single No. Instead I get sophism.

          • racarrera

            Because they have no leg to stand on (and this discounts our Anglican friends who at least have a kinship with Apostolic Christianity.

          • Okay, so to you Zeitun and Guadalupe are from God but Fatima is not? Correct?

          • racarrera

            Zeitun I see a lot of evidence for. Guadalupe has hard, tactile evidence. Fatima, I generally think there WAS a vision. My issue is that I don’t think what was said to the children is what was actually said, and there’s been so much confusion over the alleged third secret of Fatima, especially since it was supposed to have been released in 1960, that I have a lot of skepticism. We both agree that the Holy Theotokos has always been with Russia even through the worst of times, but it seems that the Fatima vision is merely a constitution of Catholic dogma rather than a well-rounded Apostolic Christian view.

          • Lay_monk

            I haven’t studied Fatima beyond the basic established truths. I accept that the Church Magesterium has approved Our Lady of Fatima and couldn’t care less about the “speculation” surrounding it.

            I agree on the following (except my skepticism isn’t directed toward the Catholic Magesterium, it’s directed toward those who feed into the hysteria surrounding Fatima): “there’s been so much confusion over the alleged third secret of Fatima, especially since it was supposed to have been released in 1960, that I have a lot of skepticism.”

            Too many in the Fatima crowed are overly hysterical on this topic for my tastes. I accept the Churches approved and revealed findings EXACTLY as they have been presented. Everything beyond that is speculation regardless of the supposedly “credible testimonies” from others. It’s nothing more than “he said, she said” without hard documented proof.

            This what the Magesterium has officially stated on Fatima, and this is what I accept without question:

            http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000626_message-fatima_en.html

            Case closed!

            God Bless 🙂

          • luis

            Because you are asking the wrong Protestants 😉

          • Kelly ann

            Just a thought, since your a catechist, read this book by father Gruner, it’s simple and free online, I just posted it to Susan, it concerns the dogma of the faith and Russia , also Fr Gruner has a huge library and complete access to his Catholic news magazine the crusader, he speaks about the situations of the schism numerous times, as this is one of the problems Our Lady will heal. Also there is a book based on theory on how the schism will end its called Russia sunrise, you can get this book on Fatima as well , check out their book store. Fatima is also about healing the wound of the schism, something we desperately need. And Russia will lead the world to massive conversion. This hasn’t happened yet as you very well know , imagine the pagans that can be saved. You can also learn about the rosary Our Lady wants us to pray and the devotions to make reparations for the sins committed against Our Lords most Sacred Heart and Her Immaulate Heart If you want Catholic you will get it at Fatima. You can Learn the prayers given by St Micheal himself at Fatima.
            http://fatima.org
            I invite you to Explore and see for yourself but with warning it’s very Catholic.

            http://www.crucialtruths.com/img/CrucialTruths.pdf#pre

            Here’s a review of the book

            http://waltwhitemansworld.blogspot.ca/2014/08/book-review-crucial-truths-to-save-your.html

            God bless again

        • Andy Holland

          At one time during the monothelite error some eastern unorthodox argued against Christ Immaculate Conception!

          It should be noted that not all Orthodox reject the notion of Saint Mary’s Immaculate Conception but rather certain jurisdictional and legalities surrounding the teaching. The Icon of the Conception of the Mother of God by Saints Joachim and Anna is slightly different East and West but it shows the institution of the Holy Kiss that precedes the Eucharist.

          It is also noteworthy that Mary appeared to Saint Bernadette saying after three queries her name as I AM the Immaculate Conception on MARCH 25 – the date of Christ’s Immaculate Conception.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Was just going to post about St. Bernadette … thanks.

          • Julie

            Yes incredible…

          • Julie

            March 25…when the Church finally went back, way back into the Jewish calendar….March 25 was the feast of Life…later the Feast of Abraham….noting the ram…stuck in a bush Abraham was to sacrifice instead….

            and how Christ was born in the Constellation of the Ram..Aries…He chose that time….and how He comes both as the Son….the Lamb…fulfilling the son of Abraham and the Lamb the Atonement for Sin….

            Our base for worship.

          • Julie

            Re read…thanks for clarifying.

        • Julie

          Trevor, Mary as first born, and her parents elderly, was consecrated to God, and her feast, Mary’s Presentation to the Lord is November 21. I was taught this prior to Vatican II as well.

          We have always acknowledged Mary as firstborn and parents custom to offer their firstborn solely to God, and she was a temple virgin when the Angel Gabriel appeared to her.

          As I understand it, the Orthodox believe Mary did not sin,, but simply refuse to acknowledge the dogma of the Immaculate Conception because……….

          • Right. Exodus 13 spells out the requirement for firstborn including what sacrifices were acceptable. There’s a law that deals with inheritance rights in the events that the father did not have a male firstborn or a male offspringBut right now I can’t find it.

            I see Mary’s birth as miraculous as Isaac’s birth because both parents were old and advanced in their years. For Mary, it was the devotion of her parents and fasting that God granted to them the desire of their hearts.

            Like Hannah and Samuel, Mary parents took her to the temple she she served until the day she was to become a woman. The priests said that she needs to marry before she becomes defiled, which I assume is due to her first menstrual cycle, and the priests had Joseph become her husband. At first he complained saying he was too old and had children from another marriage and was a widow. But the priests insisted.

            I believe because Mary walk already consecrated to the Lord, the Holy Spirit did not need to overcome the satins of original sin because she was already made holy. Once she said to the angel, “Let these be done to me according to the words which you have spoken to me,” and at the instant, the Holy Spirit overshadowed her. It’s similar to the Original ark of the covenant. Once Moses consecrated the ark in accord with Lord command, the Holy Spirit overshadowed it. Same thing with Mary.

          • Julie

            Mary was specially created by the Heavenly Father to become Christ’s Mother. She was given free will. Her parents Joachim and Anna were able to pass Original Sin down to her, but God protected her.

            And to be Christ’s mother, Mary was that much more in need of Christ’s salvation and redemption. It is through Christ, the Living Word, the Universe was created by the Heavenly Father in the Holy Spirit….not exact in my prepositions here…

            But because Mary the highest of all creatures is the bridge between us and the Holy Trinity and she was to have the most pure and holy tabernacle of her womb to carry Our Lord, she again was in the greatest need for salvation and redemption.

            At her conception, Mary full of grace before God, responded in grace fully to consent to God and to Jesus as her savior and redeemer.

            You may want to study Duns Scotus who trumped Thomas Aquinas on Mary’s immaculate conception that was ordered back then hundreds of years before Vatican I.

            If Thomas Aquinas knew modern science today….that the Mother’s DNA is not passed on to the off spring because the offspring has his/her own unique DNA, then Thomas would have affirmed her immaculate conception.

            He perceived her immaculate conception as taking away from the prominence of the Lord more than anything.

          • That’s what I am saying. She is the Ark of the New Covenant. Therefore she had to be consecrated in order to be the one chosen to bear Christ. If the Lord could have done it for men like Jeremiah and St Paul, then it is no brainer to believe that God did the same for Mary. She was made holy be God election and it still requires her free will to accept her calling.

          • Julie

            I am responding to your comment at the beginning…I understood it as we don’t believe Mary was consecrated…she was chosen by God…meaning at the beginning of her existence….I put it in a short while ago under your comment.

          • I will not say anything further about the Virgin Mary lest I condemn myself and by others.

          • Julie

            It takes cradle Catholics years to be at the level you are at. I am simply pointing out that Catholics have always venerated Mary including her presentation. That’s all.

          • I understand, Julie.

        • Julie

          Hi Trevor….this is what I am referring to…that the Latin Church holds it as a doctrine of faith that Mary was indeed consecrated to the Lord….she was especially made.

          The local bishop is to be orthodox and his power in orthodoxy..I am referring to the Latin (Roman bishops)….is equal to the pope’s. Their orthodoxy is equal. The bishop has absolute power over his diocese not the pope

          If you study papal history, how it evolved, when a pope made a decree, the entire Christian world acquiesced. The first time is when the pope excommunicated a bishop for refusing forgiveness and absolution to a person who had apostasized under persecution…If I recall right, that person had been a slave. This particular pope was formerly a slave himself…

          Anyway, the silence and obedience throughout the entire Christian world followed…the pope here as a good pastor. But one by one, several bishops came forward and confronted the pope for excommunicating the bishop for upholding the norm.

          The pope then re instated the bishop into full communion, and a more balanced pastoral administrative practice was thus set up.

          Same with the Synod on the family we had last year. Seventy percent of the American bishops opposed some points and Francis rebuked them, but they held their ground with traditional upholding of the permanency of marriage.

          Afterall, the Church could not dissolve that which Christ brought together in a binding marriage of Henry VIII and his wife. And so Henry made himself the head of the Anglican
          Church.

    • Julie

      I have to go back up here…not intending to bypass others….

      I am going to find out St. Ambrose description — from tradition passed down by those who encountered the Blessed Virgin in their lives.

      and the passage moved me to tears….and there is this music that seems to radiate the description….later.

    • Julie

      Hi Trevor…

      Took some time….first of all, when you can, go to http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/34072.htm,…St. Ambrose, ‘Concerning Virginity’, Book II, and then go to Chapter 2…and read his description of the Blessed Virgin that was passed down…he lived 300 years after Mary so his description is most likely accurate of how those before him saw her.

      As for the music….’Tota Pulchra Es’….Sisters of St Paul, ‘Handmaiden of the Lord’, #4. This is a different rendition but I could not find it this am to share with you. This rendition of English, “You are All Beautiful” fits the description given us by St. Ambrose.

      • Стефан Евгений

        here julie, this is the closest we shall get on this side of heaven.

        • Julie

          Thanks…will view it this pm when things settle down….going to Mass….

        • Grandmere

          So beautiful. I treasure each link that you share with us.

          • Стефан Евгений

            And I love that “Snap” you have.

        • Julie

          Listened to it this short while ago!…so beautiful!

    • Dan Knight

      Great post – thank you.

    • Стефан Евгений

      Trevor, is that you? love the new Icon St Mark the mute, least that is what the Greek said on the Icon…. I think he is from Crete.

      • Same person. St. Mark the Deaf and yes, from Crete.

        • racarrera

          We have saints for all seasons.

  • Julie

    Before the beginning of knowing Islam in my soul…9/11…I must admit I did see the crescent moon as that of Islam….and I see the serpent as being from the barren desert….and Rev 12…imaging her…

    She will crush the serpent and rise victorious as well as be the means for conversions for many future Muslim Christians.

  • AnthonyM

    Wonderful, Walid! This is really great explanation of many new things.

    Also, the image shows St. Mary as pregnant, with the belt slightly high. A vulnerable time for a woman. And such a comparison it makes to the Islam badge with its grand display of conquest and the worldly power by knives, spears, and cannons.
    It seems to me still that the Crescent moon St Mary is standing on is skewed slightly, with the right side brought forward (larger), compared to the left. This is not artists mistake, but must have real meaning. It may show that Mary is not just above or higher than the crescent moon (Islam), but the crescent moon has been totally ‘threshed’ and is knocked out of its normal place, never to be a problem in the future.

    • Who knows Anthony, if I look into this screwed crescent I might end up with another book. To me the name WaddaLubba packs tremendous meaning if you knew Arabic.

    • And another blow to Islam is Mary having her face completely unveiled. Islam’s record of suppression of women are known throughout the world, from Saudi Arabia to Iran to Afghanistan, women are forcibly veiled lest they be beaten to within an inch of their life! Also, if you look again, the head covering also is slightly pulled back to show her hair which again is unthinkable offense in Islam.

      Even if you look carefully with place like Turkey, even the women go to great length to hide their hair in spite of being able to show their face. In fact, if you go back to Genesis and read the account of Judah and Tamar’s incident, you will realize that the prostitutes tend to veil their face. Something to chew on.

      Mary having her head slightly covered yet face unveiled is actually an old Jewish custom that continues today among many traditional Latin and Eastern Orthodox Church. I remember the first time I went to the Roman Catholic church in my hometown for the first time, and I spotted several women in the congregation wearing simple but pretty head scarves. I could detail in great length how Catholics and Orthodox are actually Jewish in nature, in practice, and in rituals that Protestants, outside of traditional Lutherans and Methodists, do not have.

      • AnthonyM

        Yes, good points to make.

        • Julie

          Yes very good point!

        • I didn’t even notice the bulge until you pointed it out. And today when I lit a candle for one of my daughters, I noticed something new for the first time.

          Mary was stomping on the serpent barefoot and the crescent moon at the same time. I never noticed the serpent before.

          • Julie

            Yes…I am trying to find the music…the rendition that I loved the most…and so far am coming up with the Gregorian chant version…..

            Mary is coming pregnant with Jesus to the Indian people….

            And we have been living in the Age of Mary for so many hundreds of years now….her triumph will lead us into the triumph of the Sacred Heart of Jesus in every soul….and the last epoch…the Glory of the Holy Trinity!

          • filomena seiffert

            As the Latin Vulgate Bible says; she will crash your head. God sentencing the serpent.

          • Julie

            I know you mean to say ‘crush’…..that is the name of mary of Guadalupe…or how it sounded to the Spanish…like Guadalupe..I wrote their spelling in Nuahatl out some post around here….

      • Michael Lochmoeller

        I would be interested in knowing more about how Catholics and Orthodox have similarities to the Jewish faith. You probably already know that I’m a protestant but the last 2 months I have been learning about the Catholic church on my own time, privately and on these articles and forums. I am glad I have been doing so, I find it fascinating, and not at all what I expected once I decided to stop listening to what I’ve been told in the past and actually seek for myself. I love Israel and the Jewish people and I pray for them, their safety, and that one day all Jews would turn to Jesus as their messiah, and I believe they all will according to the scriptures. But one accusation that Pro-Israel protestants levy against the Catholic church is that they say the catholic church hates Israel and doesn’t respect the Jews. I am finding that to mostly be false, although it could be said there have been small pockets of anti-semitism throughout the Catholic church’s long history. But for the most part the church seems to respect the Jews, and considers them their elder brother, according to the Catechism which I have recently begun to read, from the vatican’s website. The Jews have ancient tradition and ceremony which is Biblical, protestants accept this, but the Catholic church also has sacred tradition and ceremony, but protestants reject that saying its not biblical. But if the 2 are connected then there can’t be an arguement against the Catholic church on that reason.

        • Uh oh. You are in the danger zone of becoming the dreaded Catholic. 😉

          • Michael Lochmoeller

            Lol. I don’t know maybe. I have thought about visiting a Catholic Church for a Saturday Mass so I don’t miss my church service on Sunday. I still love my church too. I just want all God’s children to love each other. All the fighting breaks my heart. By the way I find it interesting that Catholics worship on Saturday too which is the Sabbath. That blows out of the water the accusation that Catholics changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday.

          • The key words missing from your comment is “Daily Mass.”

          • Michael Lochmoeller

            Oh I’m sorry I didn’t realize

          • The words from Acts changed my perceptions of the Apostolic Church: “…they continued steadfastly in the apostles doctrine, breaking bread daily…”

          • Nan

            At most parishes, Mass is offered Every day. Sometimes more than once a day. Smaller parishes may not have mass Monday due to father’s day off, and some parishes only have mass on Sunday. Where I live, Sunday mass can be found between 6am and noon, with one parish having 1pm mass. Then there are afternoon Masses.

          • Julie

            Have to answer here….the apostle and the followers did continue to worship with the Jewish Orthodox community and they were called the Nazarenes. But in time over a period of years, disputes and arguments broke out between them and the Orthodox expelled the Nazarenes, who then formed their own synagogues, discontinued the 40 day fast, and moved worship to Sunday…but early am.

            The Gentile Christians began worship Saturday night with worship ending in the early am.

            People over time then worshipped on Sunday, the 8th day and the Sabbath was meant for the Jews but for Christians, for us our worship is Sunday, the Lord’s Day.

            The greatest feast in the Church is not Christmas or Easter but Resurrection Sunday….ordinary Sunday, every Sunday is the greatest feast of the Church because we celebrate …and if we apply ourselves with full faith and attention, we encounter the same presence and power of the Lord as did those on Resurrection Sunday 2,000 years ago.

          • Michael Lochmoeller

            That’s interesting thank you Julie.

          • Dan Knight

            Julie gave you some cites explaining the shift in worship ‘hours’ … but remember the Jewish day began in the evening … so technically the Catholic church never worshiped on the Sabbath. The Sabbath begins on Friday evening and ends Saturday evening.

            The first day of the week then begins on Saturday evening – so the Saturday afternoon mass is not just the mass for ‘old farts’ (as it is in our parish), but it is also the mass for ‘early birds.’

            The mass then shifts – later in the day – to the morning, to reflect the ‘hour’ when Mary Magdalene discovered the empty tomb; and shortly before Jesus as Risen Christ appeared to her.

            For those of us with a ‘technical’ mind, this explanation makes quite a bit more sense than the metaphysics. Though it’s all good.

          • Julie

            Correct….but the Gentiles began in the night….the vigil as I understood it, came with Vatican II….correct me if I am wrong…

            I was citing Liturgical history…

          • Nan

            And no vigils in the old Mass

          • Julie

            I would also add that the Hebrew Christians that remained in the Holy Land, almost disappeared in context of documenting growth and liturgical developments.

            The Hebrew Catholics are renovating, have Jewish Catholic priests and are hoping to have the Hebrew rite…the Mass said in Hebrew…but so far my Dominican pastor told me back then he thought it would be difficult for them…I think there is a cardinal working on this as well.

            They do want us to study the Jewish calendar…P Benedict said they finally went back and found out about March 25…the Feast of Life, later becoming the Feast of Abraham….so

            Christmas is a good time to celebrate Christ’s birth afterall based on Judeo Christian history and not some metaphor of the rising sun…

          • racarrera

            As do the Orthodox, with Fr. Winogradsky doing St John Chrysostom’s liturgy in Hebrew in Jerusalem.

          • Julie

            I attended a Maronite Mass…thought it was St. John’s..the Evangelist…my eyes bugged out and the Maronite priest nodded yes…………….

          • Nan

            Wait. We’re Japanese?

          • Julie

            The rising sun….that is the pagan concept we are accused by Protestors of worshipping the sun and this is our foundation.

            Great read is ‘Spirit of the Liturgy’….Benedict was saying how the season of Christmas evolved into the time of darkness and Christ the light coming into the darkness. But they found in time that there were the ancient Jewish feasts…of Life and of Abraham that were celebrated on March 25.

            There was a Roman emperor who created a pagan holliday on Dec 25 to get the Christians back but they did not.

          • Julie

            Earlier I took you literally…but now remember the Catholic Japanese were underground for over 200 years…they had hidden statues of Mary with the Infant in their buddha shrines….but they didn’t come out to reveal themselves the prophecy handed down to them came true…a
            Roman Catholic Church built in union with Rome, named after Mary, whose pastor was a celibate priest………..

          • Julie

            I checked….Pope Pius XII wanted to reform the liturgy and started in 1948, and allowed Mass but after 4 pm.

            In the meantime, in Europe during WWII, there was an indult to allow soldiers to go to Mass on Saturday pm because of their occupation.

            This change to the vigil began around 1967, and in 1970 it was made universal….but for people who had to work on Sunday. And in each diocese, it was up to the local bishop as to when to implement it, so you may be able to attend the vigil in one diocese but to another, not.

          • Dan Knight

            PS … I’m sure the ‘shift’ occurred shortly after the first council of the Church in Jerusalem. ca 50 AD. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08537a.htm

            Can’t prove it. It’s just a hunch. But that was the defining moment when the Church opened the floodgates to the Gentiles. See Acts 15.

            Jewish Christians would have been attending Synagogue on Saturday – as they always had – if the local Rabbi still allowed it. (It may have been rare as the Pharisees had already decreed an expulsion, if I recall correctly)

            Once Jewish Christians were thrown out of the Synagogue, and the Church opened it’s doors to the Gentile Christians who knew little of the Synagogue’s rituals and practices, shifting the hour of the day to the next morning must have made sense – especially to tradesmen who were used to beginning their day and their week on Sunday morning. See Acts 20:7, 1 Cor 16:2.

            By Acts 20:7 the Church was already gathering on the first day of the week. This is often interpreted as Sunday, but if they were still using Jewish days, it would have been Saturday night. That also makes prolonging a sermon or teaching to midnight much more plausible.

            Either way, it’s plausible that the shift to Sunday morning (the Lord’s day) reflected the rising influence of Gentile Christians and was thoroughly ensconced as part of our ‘traditions’ in the first century long before the first Apostles all perished.

          • Julie

            Makes sense…I have my text at home the person who headed liturgy of the archdiocese recommended to me…………..

          • Julie

            Yes the fighting is bad…but one must defend the truth because they are denying themselves the greatest treasure on earth: The Eucharist as well as the sacraments and proper understanding of Scripture that makes us better, not more proud or divisive.

          • Julie

            I wonder if Saturday pm…it is the vigil for people who have to work on Sunday’s…came back through Vatican II. Not sure.

            But Resurrection Sunday, every Sunday is our greatest feast.

        • Julie LaBrecque

          I can’t think of one singular source that relates Jewish faith traditions and how they are continued in the Church, but now of scattered sources – Bob Fishman (Jewish convert) has several video teachings (on youtube), one of the most fascinating tie-ins between Jewish & Catholic/Orthodox Traditions is in praying for the dead (Protestants don’t accept this because they are missing 7 books – they should ponder why Jews pray and light candles for the dead) along with the lighting of the Yahzreit candle on the anniversary of their loved ones’ death. (I was preparing an article on this very subject until a few ‘unfortunate events’ headed my way, so the article is in Limbo, no pun intended). Other sources that may be helpful is the Hebrew Catholic Association/ Lawrence Feingold, author of a magnificent 3 volume series ‘The Mystery of Israel and the Church” – he has several long audio teaching sessions that you can listen to, go to http://www.hebrewcatholic.net – May also want to read the conversion story Israel Zolli, the Chief Rabbi of Rome during WWII, changed name to ‘Eugenio’ Zolli (in honor of Pope Pius XII), in addition to other notable Jewish converts: Alphonse Ratisbonne, Charlie Rich, Edith Stein, Roy Schoeman, Hermann Cohen, Cardinal Jean-Marie Lustinger, David and Rosalind Moss -may also get Taylor Marshall’s book “The Crucified Rabbi – Judaism & the Origins of Catholic Christianity.”

          • Michael Lochmoeller

            Hey thanks that’s a lot of stuff I can look into.

          • Julie

            we are associates of Hebrew Catholics….wonderful people…our Big Brothers and Sisters in Christ.

        • Dan Knight

          You’re on the slippery slope alright … You’re likely to wind up becoming Catholic or Orthodox – or as I like to put it – embracing the full-Bible Christianity and not just the selected verses.

          • Michael Lochmoeller

            I have read the whole KJV Bible before. I just didn’t know how the Catholic Church interpreted it. I have always been of the Pentecostal persuasion and didn’t think about other doctrine until lately

          • Dan Knight

            Great! God bless.

          • Grandmere

            The King James version and the Douay Reims are my favorites. The English paid close attention not only to the translation,but to the way it sounded to the ear. Families didn’t own Bibles because of the expense. It needed to ring and it still does. Look at this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g01Pjyx1S7Y

          • Julie

            The Septuagint is the tradition of interpretation that is the foundation the Church is built on. Isaiah refers to passages awaiting the Messiah…

            Emperor Ptolemy of Egypt called 70 rabbis in to provide the books of the bible to put into his ‘greatest library’ in the world.

            Each rabbi was separated and worked alone…they may have had their own scribes.

            When the rabbis were done, all the books were compared…and it was a miracle of the Holy Spirit….every book of every rabbi corresponded to one another of the entire 70….page for page, paragraph for paragraph, word for word!

            The Septuagint is the one Christ and His apostles referenced.

            But the books of the Bible were not assembled as we know them until we have the Latin Vulgate…and St Jerome ended up, with some protest, to translate literally the Hebrew books.
            The Church is the work of many people in the spirit of the Church — the Holy Spirit, the apostles….the many others who worked on it.

          • Nan

            We interpret it as incorrect because verses were changed and it was government approved

          • I don’t know who you mean by ‘we’ but I’ve not read a review of the Authorized version of the bible by Catholics that was negative. In every case there is nothing but praise for it’s accuracy. Every translation is going to have a handful of verses that may be translated a different way but were influenced by the views of the translator. This doesn’t alter the fact it is a reliable translation.

          • Michael Lochmoeller

            Although I haven’t thoroughly read the duay Rheims I have scanned a few passages and it seems close to the KJV. In any case I agree with Jack Van Impe when he says the Duay Rheims is the best Catholic Bible and the KJV is the best Protestant Bible in English. Modern versions are inferior for many reasons.

        • If I recall, initially when you came here someone insulted you thinking that you came here to bash. I knew there was a desire in your soul burning for the truth and that you did not merely come here to cause any trouble.

          I pray the Lord enlighten your heart and your spirit brother Michael:

          http://shoebat.com/2015/09/06/bombshell-to-be-messianic-is-to-be-catholic-not-hebrew-roots/

          • Michael Lochmoeller

            Thank you Walid

          • Grandmere

            Amen

          • racarrera

            Michael is a good man with an open heart and mind, and I must say, thick skin.

        • Julie

          The Church has not hated the Jews….but relations were bad….you cannot listen to the Protestants once they begin their anti Catholic tirade which is sinful in itself.

          The Church has always acknowledged the Jews as the Chosen people of God, their convenant with the Land, and our thankfulness for their providing us the Messiah.

          Also you will hear about Catholics killing 2000 Jews at the beginning of the Crusades.

          What the Protestants won’t tell you was that it happened only in Germany in the Rheinland and close parts….and that the pope and bishop when hearing this…vehemently condemned them…

          So the Church never ordered the Catholics to do that…and Germany is the place where sola scriptura started…and it is no where in the bible.

          Our worship is centered on the Lamb of God at the Banquet Table as atonement for our sin.

          We don’t even bother discussing or pointing out at protestants at our place of worship, and furthermore, our tabernacles contain the Living Presence of God fulfilling the Ark of the Covenant.

          You may want to read, Tom Nash’ ‘Biblical Roots of the Mass’…or Dr Scot Hahn, ‘The Lamb’s Supper’….

        • Nan

          The problem is that Protestants follow Martin Luther’s heresy of sola scriptura. The Bible itself says to follow both Scripture and tradition, which makes sense in light of the 300 or so years without a Bible when St Paul was writing letters and oral tradition was followed.

        • racarrera

          Michael, the best way to see how Orthodoxy and Judaism are similar is to sit in on services. The Jewish service has six parts to it. We add one more, the Eucharist.

          • Michael Lochmoeller

            I would like to do that sometime. But I would have to convince my wife to go too. She hasn’t been doing all this study that I have been, and I’ve mostly kept it to myself, although I occasionally mention something I read about.

          • Michael Lochmoeller

            While I have you here, let me ask you if the Orthodox Christians use the same Biblical canon as Catholics?

          • racarrera

            Yes, we do. There are some slight chapter alterations, but it’s pretty much the Septuagint we both use. The only difference is that we use it in either Greek, Slavonic, Arabic or the other Orthodox languages, whereas Latin and the vernacular are used in the West.

        • racarrera

          Also, Michael, consider watching this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nd8vC9qdPQ

      • Julie LaBrecque

        I was hopeful that Fr. Kelley might stick his head in today, I recall a past post of his in which he explained the prostrations and bodily postures that Mary would have made throughout the Magnificat – wish I had copied and pasted his post.

        • I could ask him.

        • Julie

          wow…what diocese or does he reveal that…West Coast?

  • Shane Bass

    Awesome article, inspiring to say the least

    • Thank you Shane. It was simply persistence and my stubborn nature to unlock the meaning of WaddaLubba (Guadalupe). Glad you enjoyed it.

      • Julie

        I am going to print this out for two priests…and may be my bishop….who is top notch Orthodox Catholic…no compromise! He stood up to Obama so many years back….

        Also….tomorrow is beginning of 54 day novena to Our Lady of the Rosary for Americans to return back to God….

        And then I think the next thrust is for the Americas….to turn to Mary of Guadalupe to confront what we now see in the crescent moon.

        I will come back…her gown has the rose of sharon….and the constellation of the stars imprinted on her gown.

        In her eyes are the images of 3 men…Juan Diego, the bishop Zumarraga and his assistant. Her eyes are alive….no human can replicate them.

        • Kelly ann

          You go girl!

          • There she is, the one who started the whole thing.

        • Let me know what they say.

          • Julie

            Certainly…already thinking about it.

            I draw on all the insights…ALL of them. And of course, the chapters…and then condense all…I see some of the sites explaining by bullet points….as a synopsis as there is so so much to Mary of Guadalupe…

            She who crushes the serpent.

            And it came to my mind….as we complete this rosary to our Lady of the Holy Rosary….

            Then transcending to Mary of Gudalupe….she who crushes the head of the serpent…..it makes me portend a military battle that will take out the mind, the head of the beast…the body and tail will remain…lifeless or little skirmishes as human beings still sin..in the coming reign of the Sacred Heart of Jesus in the coming Epoch of the Holy Trinity.

            Yes…will get back and will go to this print shop to go online…want it for 2 pastors…as I go between 2….to give them copies as well as the bishop.

      • Julie

        I have some sites here more on Guadalupe, some carry info we already know.

        Thanks for the WaddaLubba….and Nahautl langauge…for Mary was Quatlasupel or Coatlaxopenh….and when the Aztecs pronounced the name, the Spanish thought it sounded like Guadalupe….’She who crushes the head of the serpent”.

        Mary has 46 stars on her gown. In 1530 at Augsberg, Germany, Lutheran belief was formed. The image appeared in 1534….46 stars implying all books of the Septuagint?….! http://www.holymary.info.the46starsofguadalupe.com

        About the eyes and image….infallible-catholic-blogspot.com/miraculous-image-of-our-lady-of-guadalupe…could be all one word at this point.

        http://www.catholiceducation.org/en/culture/catholic-contributions/the-amazing-truth-of-our-lady-guadalupe.html…the constellation of Virgo on her shoulder.

        There are other sites that discuss the constellations that were in the sky that night that were now on her gown.

        The four petal flower over her womb is that represent which gives Life….

        another site talks about the inversion of the image on the other side….resembles Mexico!!!

        Now if all the info we now have on the image combined with all that Walid has contributed here with the Arabic language and geography and history….

        This has to be compiled….and put into booklet form and propagated…

        December is coming soon really…the more after the novena can now focus on Mary.

        The pope, during the battle of Lepanto, was given a copy of Mary of Guadalupe….was gazing at the points of faith and promise of defeat of the Serpent and the Crescent Moon as he called everyone on praying the rosary!

        • I have examined all these prior to my research. Now we have more.

          • Julie

            You may have a forthcoming ministry in the works………..

          • Julie

            I think it will be very complex….I couldn’t do it….again, I would highlight all the points like this one site did….

            There is the part about the tilma turned and then it is the map of Mexico…but like a photograph…but was reading fast….don’t know if I read right…but have to go back…

            and the 46….representing the Septuagint?….

      • Michael Lochmoeller

        I wish I could see you teach at my church.

  • susan

    Very interesting article Walid. Lots of details that I haven’t read anywhere else. Who is the Angel (?) Juan?

    • I don’t know. I did not look into the angel lest I write another 8000 article 😉

      • susan

        Lol. 8000? That’s a cakewalk for Theodore ;). I like the angel. It looks familiar somehow. 🙂

        • 8000 words that is. For Theo its more like 16000 words.

          • susan

            And the words are full of meaning and truth, just like his Dad’s. I hope someone writes a book about your life. I’d do it but I’d need some help to make it readable. And to organize it. I think it will bring a lot of hope to the people who read it. Perseverance. 😉

      • Julie

        St Michael the Archangel

  • Kamau41

    “The unredeemed upon the earth will always attempt to exalt their standards, yet God will always exalt His, bringing low the gods of the unredeemed.” What another amazing, very timely, fascinating discovery and a very thorough explanation of the meaning of the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe. In addition, sharing your insights from a former Muslim background to break all this down further for us, really helped to add tremendous value in this blockbuster study….Indeed, “Victory therefore is not defined by God’s enemies. These deceive themselves since the ultimate victory is accomplished through her [St. Mary’s] seed, “he [Messiah] shall bruise your head”. Thank you Walid for taking the time putting this awesome research together and kodos to Kelly Ann for sparking this idea.

    • You’r welcome 41. I had hoped that this research will cause you to row well 😉 for an ultimate victory.

      • Kamau41

        Without a doubt my brother…This amazing research and discovery most certainly will.

  • filomena seiffert

    Marvelous understanding of God’s word. We truly live in the kingdom of God brought by the birth of Jesus in chapter 12. It still a battle but we have many victories by the power of Jesus. I believe islam is the first beast and the second revived beast. I believe muhammad is the false prophet for he is the only one who called himself a prophet of allah and the second beast will be thrown in the lake of fire where the first beast and the false prophet are. It is difficult for people to recognize because we think revelation will occur in a short period of time when in reality is the history of the human race. The dragon as we know is satan and he used herodes to try to devour Jesus. The woman fled to the desert which is Egypt. After Jesus was taken to haven the dragon has used many different foes to make war to the descendants of the woman, we Christians who accept Her as our mother. How many years or thousands of years will take, only God knows. The war will go on until Jesus return.

    • Very good summary filomena.

      “It is difficult for people to recognize because we think revelation will occur in a short period of time when in reality is the history of the human race.”

      The reason they think this is to continue the ignorance of history and ignorance of history leads to following a schism instead of joining a foundation built on the Rock of ages.

  • Lay_Monk

    Excellent article.

    An even simpler way to discern authentic Catholicism from the rest is by studying what the Church teaches about natural and divine law. Each perfectly compliments the other.

    Pagan religions, like modern westerners, believe in relativism and therefore disregard the objective laws God has set in stone and revealed in nature and through the Church/scripture.

    That’s not to say the law is everything. But without an understanding of law how can one know they are a sinner, repent, and surrender to Christ’s grace and conform to His will?

    God Bless

    • Michael Lochmoeller

      Hey brother there you are. I wanted to tell you I started reading the Catechism a couple weeks ago. So far I have read the prologue, the profession of faith, and now I’m in the creeds, just finishing up on the section on the Father(It was long). I have found it interesting so far and haven’t had reason to argue.

      • Julie

        So refreshing to encounter someone who knows how to find and access actual objective sources.

        God bless you!

        • Michael Lochmoeller

          God bless you too, I’ve had some help too.

      • Lay_Monk

        Hello brother,

        That’s great news. Good for you!
        If you stumble across any hurdles or concerns along the way please feel free to reach out to one of us Catholics here and we’ll hopefully be able to help you find you way, plus continue to pray and study up on these matters of course.

        God bless you.

        • Michael Lochmoeller

          I will, thank you.

        • Michael Lochmoeller

          I did just think of a question, I’m not sure if you can answer or if I should ask someone of the Orthodox church. But do the Orthodox use the same canon of scripture that Catholics do? Or do they use their own canon, or the protestant canon?

          • Lay_Monk

            Hello Michael,

            The Orthodox Church doesn’t have a single universal Catechism like the Catholic Church has because of the Schism from the Rock of Peter. Therefore you will find variances even among Orthodox Churches.

            What they have maintained absolutely is veneration for their Church fathers and Apostolic succession.

            Please check out the following short question and answer readings:

            http://www.radioreplies.info/radio-replies-vol-1.php?t=29

            http://www.radioreplies.info/radio-replies-vol-2.php?t=139

            http://www.radioreplies.info/radio-replies-vol-3.php?t=41

            Feel free to dialogue with our Orthodox friends here on these matters as well. As a Catholic, naturally I am going to respectfully offer you Catholic answers to these questions.

            The greatest problem the Catholic Church is facing in the modern world is Catholics not being Catholic! For example, our Church teaches us fornication and birth control is a sin, and most baptised Catholics, not all, disobediently partake in these sins anyway, and have since the 60’s sexual revolution.

          • Michael Lochmoeller

            Thank you. But you don’t know what scriptures they use then? I will see if I can find Rudy. What about this Pope? I don’t like him. He keeps coddling Islam like Rick Warren does. From my perspective he doesn’t uphold the true Catholic faith like his predecessor Benedict did. Francis scares me brother.

          • Lay_Monk

            Take Pope Francis as a test of your faith in Christ:

            Matthew 16:18 (DRA)

            18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

            Does Christ mean what He said here or doesn’t He?

            I trust whatever trials and tribulations the Church is suffering, Christ will ultimately see us through. Pope Francis hasn’t changed the Catechism and he won’t.

            Trust in God’s providence, most especially when it comes to the Catholic Church. He has not left her. The tide, sooner or later, will pastorally and ceremonially turn back toward Catholic orthodoxy.

            God Bless

          • Michael Lochmoeller

            I admire your courage. Can I ask what you think of Pope Francis personally?

          • Lay_Monk

            You may…

            Admittedly I don’t like to write about or discuss my views on the Pope publically, because he’s already targeted enough by the enemies of the Church and used to demonise us.

            That’s why I’ll generally refrain from doing so unless politely asked! 😉

            On the ‘surface’ I have my concerns. I don’t like his public support for the climate change agenda, his belief in evolution, his “all mercy” no justice approach to Catholicism, his “we all worship the same god” statements in reference to other religions, his support of Muslim refugees, his comparisons to Catholic and Islamic violence, his support of secular humanism…

            I don’t generally read his encyclicals or follow his interviews though. If I did, I could probably tell you things that I like about him too.

            It’ll be interesting to see how Pope Francis follows up the Year of Mercy next year. I stumbled across this article recently and think it offered an interesting perspective:

            https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2013/07/dont-tell-the-press-pope-francis-is-using-them

            Pope Francis does occasionally surprise us with comments such that reveal there is more to Pope Francis than meets the eye:

            http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/pope-francis-masonic-lobbies-most-serious-problem-me

          • racarrera

            I’m around, but dealing with a health issue. Once things normalize, I’ll be participating more.

          • Lay_Monk

            You’ve certainly been in the wars of late racerrera!

            I’m sorry to hear this news, and will pray for your speedy recovery mind, body and soul.

            Romans 8:28 (DRA)

            28 And we know that to them that love God, all things work together unto good, to such as, according to his purpose, are called to be saints.

            God Bless

          • Michael Lochmoeller

            Get well brother

          • Grandmere

            A prayer and a candle for you, dear brother.

          • racarrera

            Thank you, Grandmere. It’s appreciated.

          • Nan

            Prayers to St Pantaleimon for your health

          • racarrera

            Thank you, Nan.

          • Lay_Monk

            Hi Michael,

            Here is a small project that might interest you if you can spare a few moments and have the interest. I recommend you browse the quotes in the New Testament in reference to Peter from Acts onward:

            https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=peter&qs_version=DRA&limit=250

            It supports the authority Christ bestowed upon Peter as Head of the Church, the first Pope:

            If you’re worried about Catholic bias, try the King James protestant version and you’ll find the same result. Peter is always named first among the disciples without exception.

            Matthew 16:18 (DRA)

            18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

            You’ll notice John is named with Peter numerous times, but Peter is always named first e.g. “Peter and John…”

            That’s not to say Christ will not unite the worldwide Church once more, I do believe He will bring the Orthodox and Copts, as well as sincere Protestants under the authority of the Pope (whomever he is when the time comes) once more. How or when, I haven’t got the faintest clue.

            There has been a falling away in the entire Christian world, that’s why I noted the disobedience in the Catholic Church at this time, which has been prevalent since the 60’s sexual revolution in particular.

            I recommend E. Michael Jones’ book, Libido Dominandi, on that subject. It’s available from culture wars and amazon.com. This book documents the sexual revolution from the French Revolution to now.

            Many ideals most Christian’s actually proclaim as Christian are in truth, Masonic (French Revolution) ideals e.g. freedom of religion, we all worship the same god, moral relativism etc. All freemasonry is in truth is a ‘universal’ pagan religion that worships Lucifer.

            I remain loyal to Peter because Christ built His Church on the Rock of Peter, and I trust in God’s providence and promise that “the gates of hell will not prevail” against it. It’s not courage that keeps me unified with Rome. It’s faith in Christ, the Logos. It’s not human reasoning that keeps me unified with Rome, it’s a supernatural faith.

            I’m a Catholic because her ethic (God’s laws) stands upon perfect human logic and reasoning. But I do not reject the supernatural components of our faith that my human reason presently fails to see see beyond e.g. my concerns about Pope Francis.

            If you’re looking for a thorough scriptural argument for our established Catholic dogmas search amazon.com for “Catholic Scriptural Catechism” and you’ll find a number of purchase options there. The Catechism itself does provide ample scriptural resources within it f you pay close attention to the bottom of each page.

            P.S. I removed the extra 2 links in that other response because I found after reading the q&a’s for a quick refresher the gist of it was covered in that single link in full. Also note this q&a was transcribed back in 1940,

            Finally , I visit shoebat.com most days, but I only comment when it feels like I have something to contribute. If you ever hit me up with a message here, I’ll likely see it and respond sooner rather than later.

          • Michael Lochmoeller

            I will look into it on my free time. I also have a question about something I read in the catechism last night that troubled me. I will save it for later though because I am at work now. God bless

          • Lay_Monk

            I doubt this will be your last stumbling block.

            I’m not an expert Catechist. But I wouldn’t be surprised if we have someone with a Catechist diploma or other professional Catholic qualification here. I will do my best to clarify any concerns you have, as time permits…

          • Michael Lochmoeller

            Here it is. Paragraph 460:
            “The Word became flesh to make us “partakers of the divine
            nature”:78 “For this is why the Word became man, and the Son
            of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the
            Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of
            God.”79 “For the Son of God became man so that we might
            become God.”80 “The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make
            us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might
            make men gods.”

            See how at the end it says “make men gods” To me that is blasphemous, and reminds me of Satan’s very first lie to Eve when he told her she would become like God if she ate of the forbidden tree. Jesus didn’t come to make us gods. He alone is God with the Father and Holy Spirit. He came to save us from our sins.

          • Lay_Monk

            It’s funny how you highlighted this quote! I came across this exact same problem prior to my authentic conversion. I was introduced to chapter 460 by Kent Hovind. I was looking at his creationist work at the time, and the moment he showed these words as an attack on the Catholic Church, “man…might become a son of God.” I immediately jumped to the worst possible worst conclusion!

            It was only later when I began to understand other aspects of Catholic dogma and how wrong my previous ‘assumptions’ had been, that I realised I needed to take a deeper look at the context of this particular passage.

            Here is a Catholic source succinctly explaining what chapter 460 in the Catechism means:

            http://www.cuf.org/2006/01/so-that-we-might-become-god-understanding-catechism-no-460/

            The priest does an excellent job of extracting its proper intended meaning.

            On that note, the Catechism must be studied as you would the Holy Bible, in that if you take a sentence in and of itself, you can take the opposite intended meaning from it. When you find a sentence or paragraph that alarms you, carefully study the preceding and following paragraphs meditatively, and try find how they are threaded together.

            I understand this is difficult. If/when I get stumped on something Bible or Catholic doctrine related, I will seek sources of clarification. I only note this tip because it’s healthy for us to ‘grapple’ on God’s truths. It helps their true meaning sink deeper into our soul…

            Please keep me posted on your journey, and feel free to hit me up if this response isn’t satisfactory for you.

            Many blessings to you!

          • Michael Lochmoeller

            The link had a good explanation. I already knew from scripture that we also become sons and heirs through Christ. But the way it was worded in the catechism made it appear different. Maybe the church should consider rewording it so it’s clearer. But of course that’s up to the church. Thank you brother. So were you a Protestant at one time?

          • Lay_Monk

            Hi Michael,

            I was raised by non-practicing Catholic parents and went to Catholic schools growing up. The faith didn’t take hold in me as a youth.

            Upon reading the New Testament in my early 30’s, I was shocked at how little I knew about the Christian faith. Having had a Catholic background and a poor formation as a youth, I assumed the answers I was looking for weren’t in the Catholic Church.

            Therefore I spent a good 18 months studying the work of various respected Orthodox and Protestant Christians. During this time I did attend a protestant church for a brief period, and came close to converting to the Orthodox faith. This was a difficult period for me, because I was lost in conflicting doctrines and Bible interpretations.

            Then one day out of the blue it dawned on me that I needed to go back to the ‘beginning’ i.e. the universal Catholic Church. The first Catholic dogma I chose to study was Mariology.

            Mariology was an area I felt twisted up about. ‘On the surface’ it seemed protestants had a strong argument against this doctrine. When I read a thorough Catholic perspective however, which tied Old Testament Scriptures with New Testament Scriptures, I fell utterly in love with Mariology and Our Lady!

            I then spent the next few months continuing to dig deeper into Catholic doctrine, and continued to fall more in love with it. The rest is history…

          • Michael Lochmoeller

            That’s an interesting story. So then did Catholic school not train you up in the faith at all or were you just not interested then because your parents weren’t devout? How old are you now?

          • Julie

            That is the quote the Mormons use all the time.

            First, you have to back, may be to 3##, forget how far back. Those doctrines are the foundational building blocks.

            We partake in the sacraments that make us adopted sons and daughters of God….but we are separate, we are mortals.

            Our first vocation is to enter into the life of the Holy Trinity…and we do so through the sacraments and into contemplative prayer with Him…and we live Him out in serving others.

            Think about serving others vs people of the world during ancient Rome or today…big difference…and the manifestation of virtue can be godly to those who witness it in this jaded world with an encounter with a most humble and lowly person.

            I heard on the radio that Mary of Gudalupe in a sense ‘canonized’ St. Juan Diego when she called him the most humble of all men.

            Christ did not intend for us to come to Him in book form, but rather through an encounter with Him, and that we come to the point with Our Lord where He wants us to consume Him….a real contrast of fruit compared to Adam and Eve who were asked to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

            there was only one good tree named…and that was the Tree of Life…and it went out beyond them when they were expelled…separated by an angel with a firey sword.

            The Good Fruit is the Eucharist…but the result is that we die to ourselves so He can live in us and serve others….so whatever good we do, we cannot claim any of it for ourselves, but simply say it is the Lord Himself Who is working through us.

            So in that way, in humble service animated by Him and His power and presence, do we become adopted sons and daughters of the Lord.

            One of the footnotes was by St. Thomas Aquinas…on the Eucharist.

            No, it is anathema to teach we be come gods….only in the context above…and that we partake in his grace, but we are separate, we are creatures…just like Mother Mary.

          • Julie

            Likewise, atleast 25 Protestant theologians agree the Catholic Churh has it right, the primacy of Peter, based on his person, and not some inanimate rock..both Peter in Greek and Aramaic….refer to a person.

            And Peter’s primacy did not go away when Peter died. We all need one head.

            When the pope has spoken out on pastoral manners in the past, the Church acquiesces…and then one by one a bishop here or there who disagrees, confronts the pope…aka Paul confronting Peter…and then they get together and then work things out. We are not blind puppets.

            the Pope follows the Church deposit of faith in Christ just like everybody else. He can never contradict our beliefs.

          • Nan

            The Pope leads the church but the laity is only bound to what he says ex Cathedra, when he teaches from his chair. Last time was raising the assumption to dogma in 1950. Once it’s dogma it becomes something that a lot Catholics are bound to believe and profess. Other than that, respect him as a head of state as he’s also the leader of the Vatican City state. Feel free to ignore the inexplicable things he says, but remember that he doesn’t speak English.

          • Julie

            I try to stick up for him….I think he is trying to hold people together, communicate, extend Christ….because all is coming to hit the fan….and we don’t know where we will be including the ground we stand so…live the gospel to a ‘t’, love and forgive and care for one another.

          • susan

            How much disobedience is allowed? In my limited experience it hasn’t been limited to just the parishioners.

          • Lay_Monk

            Only God can answer that question for us! 😉

          • susan

            Ain’t that the truth! :).

          • Lay_Monk

            We think exactly alike! I’ve f-i-n-a-l-l-y found the ‘Siamese’ twin I was surgically separated from at birth…you! 😉

          • Grandmere

            She is a she, so fraternal twins sounds more like it! LOL and XO

          • Lay_monk

            Thanks for the correction Grandmere!

            I can honestly say I’ve never heard the term “fraternal twins” in my life…consider me educated! hahaha

            The comment was a continuation of an old joke between Susan and I 🙂

  • The Lord is risen

    Got bored reading it could see where it’s going, seriously walid you need to stop relying on your intellect and seek guidance from the holy spirit for once on the Mary issue ,I agree with a lot of what you say about Islam but be careful there is a beautiful angel out there perfect in wisdom deceiving a lot of people.

    • Dacian

      You got bored?Did you get bored because you saw where it was going,where was it going then?
      Is this wise beauteful satan behind walids pious reaserch,trying to decive “a lot of people”? This does not sound boring,it sounds amazing!Keep watching Walids battling with satan,and have in mind; THE LORD IS RISEN!=)

      • Grandmere

        That person is a troll who only comes to make trouble. He only has one bullet in his gun. If you don’t reply, he gets bored and goes away.

        • susan

          Yep! TLR is a troll. Nothing more.

        • “He only has one bullet in his gun”

          Correction: pellet not bullet.

          What amazes me Grand is that Jesus considers Mary His Mother, God considers us His sons yet we have so many who refuse to consider Mary our Mother which means they think that they are above Christ.

        • Dacian

          Okey Grandmere,i hear you.
          Its so beyond crazy to accuse Walid of doing satans work and not praying.
          If you listen to Walid,read his words and look at his face when he speaks,anyone with an ounce of discernment can see the good judgment the guy has.

          • Thank you brother Dacian for the kind remark.

          • Dacian

            And thank you for being awsome my man!

      • The Lord is risen

        That wise beautiful Satan perfect in wisdom is behind Marian apparitions

        • Since you seem to know Satan very well since you supposedly tracked him while etching Mary’s portraits, perhaps you can tell us:

          A) Did Jesus look at Mary as His Mother?
          B) Did John look at Mary as his mother?
          C) Does God look at us as His children?
          D) Does Christ look at us as His brethren?

          E) Do you look at Mary as your mother?

          If you answer the first 4 with “yes” and E with “no”, you have then made yourself:

          F) Above Christ?
          G) Subservient to Christ?

          I suspect you get the F (Flunk) but you can always choose G(Good)

          • Julie

            LOL!!

            Great …hope he can retake the exam.

          • He won’t.

          • Kelly ann

            What’s the chances he didn’t even read your article ? Not good I’m afraid! Just trolling as usual.

          • Grandmere

            He said he got bored and quit reading. He is one of those who see Mary and start to foam at the mouth. I will never understand that. Thanks for inspiring Walid to do this article.

          • Kelly ann

            No problem, it was just a simple question, that’s all.

          • Sort of like when Forrest Gump started running.

          • susan

            lol. That’s one of my favorite scenes. He had the most interesting experiences.along the way.

          • Indeed, especially when he stepped on a pile of dog crap and he said Sunni Happens … I mean Shiite happens.

          • lol, hahaha. Foaming at the mouth for mother Mary. It is so bizarre. This was the most inoffensive thing I’ve learned this year, that Mary is the eternal, blessed virgin, mother of God. It is as simple to understand as 1,2,3. Any child could understand it. I’m thinking this reaction these foamers are having says something of what they believe about the Lord.

          • Julie

            Alot of them seem to do that….

          • The Lord is risen

            Goblee guke as usual .keep it simple did Peter pray to Mary did Paul pray to Mary .chapter and verse were it says anywhere we are to pray to anyone other than God .is Mary God ?

        • Dacian

          Satan must be very flattered by your description of him.
          I thought he was beauteful and wise,BEFORE iniquity was found in him?
          Why are you assuming that Walid does not pray to God before he writes his articles?
          Are you crazy?
          Please go and do some manual labor,help your family and stop drooling in the spirit for a while,it will do you good.

          • The Lord is risen

            Lol judging by your photo your obviously gay are you on here grooming ???

          • Dacian

            Hahaha! Your judgment is wrong o faceless one!
            In this photo iam on the lake with my paddle board enyoing Gods nature,one of my best summer days ever!

          • Стефан Евгений

            Dacian, a Russian would beat him with that paddle.

          • One more comment like this and I will ban you. You are now slandering without proof.

      • Grandmere

        Absolutely, Dacian. Since when is mortal combat boring?

    • Tom_mcewen

      The most destructive doctrine in protestantism is the idea that the Holy Spirit talks to you and gives you doctrines. Nothing in life works that way. First if you have the Holy Spirit then you have physical signs. Does any people you know have crowns of fire on their head? An army of 40,000 being the recipients of 40,000 different orders is doomed. An army has one head, with supporting staff of S1,S3,S3… They inform the decisions on the one head and he issues one coherent order. Not 40,000. JFK said, Trust but verify. What empirical evidence do you have that it is the Holy Spirit or just a marble rolling around your head. Was the Holy Spirit talking to Arian to the JWs to the LDS the SDA to Luther Zwingli Calvin or was it just a marble? Protestantism is being destroyed and splintered in to pieces by this Holy spirit, it is a spiritual act of destruction. You want Walid to listen to the Holy Spirit, how do you determine if it is your Holy Spirit or an other spirit. We only need one Holy Spirit talking to one general not to the army. look at the destruction this belief has caused to Christendom. The church of England is toast, the Lutheran Church of Germany, Sweden, Norway is toast. From the destruction i would say your Holy Spirit is an agent of Satan more then God, it is the tower of babble.

      • The Lord is risen

        Your almost as boring as walid.you are also a demon to say what you say about the holy spirit go to he’ll

        • Tom_mcewen

          I think I will take the company of the demons like Mary and the apostolic fathers even Walid who you believe is a demon over this Holy Spirit that protestants claim informs their view of Christ, that Holy Spirit I reject as I reject the doctrines this Holy Spirit proclaims.

          • Amazing he tells you and me to go to hell when he claims his job is to instruct folks on how to go to heaven.

          • Tom_mcewen

            I think he was saying Lord,Lord.

          • Grandmere

            He needs a lot of practice.

          • Dacian

            His “holy spirit”is making him drool on your tile floor! ;good thing its so easy to wipe clean.

          • Tom_mcewen

            I don’t mind being told to go to hell, what I really dislike is not the heretic but the hypocrisy of wishing Good Luck, or Bless you to me his enemy, be either hot or cold, not mealy mouthed person with an unsound mind, who wants to be liked by his enemies is not to be trusted in my foxhole.

          • Grandmere

            Oooooh! Good one, Tom.

          • The Lord is risen

            You reject the holy spirit good luck

          • Tom_mcewen

            Let us be precise in terminology I reject your Holy Spirit who I find either confused or evil. I at mass say the Nicene creed which predates the creation of the protestant voice in your head.

        • Julie

          What are you doing here on such a boring website but insulting Christians! See where your man made doctrines lead you….

          • He dips from the same bowl. But He’s been sent on a mission to do what he must do … quickly.

          • Julie

            After the Novena is done Oct 7, it is now promoted by National Catholic Register and others….time to present the Middle Eastern perspective on Mary.

            Yours on Spain is accurate.

            There is a beautiful film by EWTN, want a copy for myself…’Rivers of Light’…that go back to the legend of St. James the Greater attempting to bring the faith to Spain but was turned back, the hiding of the statue of the Virgin in the ground…how the Aztecan Nuhuatl pronunciation…’she who crushes the serpent’, connected the Spaniards with that of Guadalupe….

            So much to share to the Muslims who are now looking at Islam differently because of ISIS…ref, http://www.newageislam.com….they have their nutt jobs come on as well…with their threats…

          • Grandmere

            At least he didn’t kiss you. Just bored you nearly to death.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Or take a falafel from his hand.

          • SNAP!

          • Dacian

            I think he wants to kiss me though!
            He feared for the forum visitors,thinking i was gay and here to groom! hahahah!

          • Grandmere

            You look like an Iron Man to me. XO

      • AnthonyM

        I agree with what you said, but I think you meant to say it was Ronald Reagan that said ‘Trust but verify’. This in response to a question from from his Russian counterpart ‘Don’t you trust us?’ Interestingly, it is a Russian proverb..

        • Tom_mcewen

          No, it was John F. Kennedy at the call to the Russians as recorded in the book “Sorrounded by enemies” in the chapter “In the Russian Box”

    • be careful TLR. There is a beautiful angel out there perfect in wisdom deceiving YOU to think that YOU are the Holy Spirit.

      • The Lord is risen

        Your the one being misleaded my friend for someone who claims to be so smart ,you obviously believe in what you want to believe because it suits your agenda.I’m say it once and ok say it again as a Catholic I believe Marian apparitions are the work of the devil full stop …stop looking for the anti Christ because you haven’t found the real Christ yet.x Muslim x terrorists x born again Christian who knows this time next year you could be a Jewish rabbi.

        • “as a Catholic I believe …”

          There are faggot priests who say they are Catholics. It does not make it so. I just wonder one thing, why do all these faggots and schismatics want to claim this title? Even you want to claim the title of “universal church” (Catholic) by embedding yourself through a play on words. Even the satanists want our Communion bread. All these devils (faggots, schismatics, devil worshippers) are desiring to get their hands on “Communion” and “Catholic” …

          Why Mr Tala’a Al-Badru A’layna?

          Are you too from the Valley of Wada’?

          • Julie

            Wonder if this ‘catholic’ went to Mass today.

          • Grandmere

            He obviously went to prayer on Friday. Just look at his real name.

          • doubt it

          • Grandmere

            Bam!!!!!! Hammer hits nail.

          • “Bam!!!!!! Hammer”

            Correction: SNAP!

          • Стефан Евгений

            Walid, the sign of true evil is the rejection of our Mother of God…. Even her Icon drives them to acts of violence against it. they tossed eggs and trash at it and tried to turn it over.

        • Julie

          True prophets proclaim the truth and never contradict Christ and His teachings.

          Do penance lest ye likewise perish….from the Gospel…different from tv evangelists.

        • Kelly ann

          Your what…. CATHOLIC???. A neocon modernist is more like it.,with a garnish if Protestant heresy.

          • Julie

            Personally have never met or encountered any Catholic in my old age who holds to such….

          • Kelly ann

            outrages and attacks on our Lady from a Catholic or a Catholic who identifies a spade for what it is.

          • The Lord is risen

            And your a Christian ??? When Did you become a Christian ?and how for that matter?

          • Kelly ann

            the day I was born catholic. Hummm that would be 8 days old.

        • Nan

          To be Catholic is to believe and profess all the Church teaches, which is that some Marian apparitions are real.

      • Julie

        So true…it degenerates from the ‘reformers’ down to the individual who is the Holy Spirit and Church.

    • Julie LaBrecque

      Are you Muslim?

      • The Lord is risen

        Marian. Apparitions are the work of Satan full stop .I am Catholic .

        • So it was the devil who got rid of Aztec blood sacrifice and the devil was fighting the devil?

          • The Lord is risen

            Your really not that smart after all ..why are you asking me ?Why don’t you ask the holy spirit to guide you on this’ its not that complicated but your confused and we know we’re confusion comes from.stop reading stupid books and pray properly for once.Marian apparitions are the work of the devil who’s quite prepared to sacrifice a few Muslims to create the impression Mary is against Islam to fool people like you .either way he wins if Mohammed or Mary is your focus and not Christ…….there is one mediator between God and man JESUS Christ.

          • “Why don’t you ask the holy spirit to guide you on this’ its not that complicated but your confused …”

            Strange, the Mormon says the same thing. He says that if you pray to the Holy Spirit to guide you that He will reveal Joseph Smith is the prophet of God. Should we follow their instruction? Should people pray and ask the Holy Spirit to guide them to see if this is true?

            To direct every subject to ask the Holy Spirit to guide you when He already did is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

          • Grandmere

            I am so glad you said that.

          • The Lord is risen

            Ps .did Mary die a virgin?according to scripture that is ‘

          • Стефан Евгений

            TLR, if you knew basic Greek you would not ask such a Dumb Ivan question. here let me help ἕως .

          • lol, “until”. So, did Mary die a virgin according to the bible? YES.

          • Стефан Евгений

            It carries the negitive over for the rest of the sentence. Problem is Craig, they read it in English. It is so simple and you got it.

          • First answer my little quiz before you change the subject. Heretics and bigots are notorious of changing subjects.

        • Julie

          No you are not.

        • Kelly ann

          A modernist perhaps . But no Catholic to be sure.

        • Julie LaBrecque

          The only one deluded here is you.

          • The Lord is risen

            Julie le brat stop worrying or looking for the anti Christ you shud be looking for the real christ and he’s not on that cross .

          • You hate Christ depicted on the Cross? Heretic.

      • AnthonyM

        He is not Catholic. There are strange people who claim to be Catholic, but are not.

    • Julie

      Please go to a more interesting site.

      • The Lord is risen

        Wouldn’t be hard to find Julie but then I wouldn’t be able to annoy you would I?

        • Julie

          Show me in the Bible where it says you are instructed in the Lord’s name to annoy people with willful ignorance, disbelief, and blasphemy!.

        • Julie

          Show me in Scripture where the Lord instructs you — in His name, to lie in His name and blaspheme His mother, and violate subsequently to disrespect mother and father.

          You have committed a sin against the 2nd commandment, that shalt not take the Lord’s name in vain, you violated the commandment to honor and obey one’s parents…in the area of blasphemy against Christ’s holy mother, and you bear false witness, another biggie.

          Yes, your sins annoy me and they are in public for everyone to see…using the veil of religion to hide your malice….against the commandment of not hating and killing…the value of the person.

          shameless

        • Julie

          I replied to you….that you sinned against the 2nd commandment blaspheming Christ’s in the name of His sinless Mother, you sinned against the 4th commandment disrespecting her, you sinned by misrepresenting yourself as a believer when you are not, and you bear false witness in violation of the commandment of not bearing false witness against your neighbor.

          Too bad you don’t believe in confession.

        • Grandmere

          That’s what you do, isn’t it. You troll this site, looking for a topic that incites your hatred. Then you go after the ones who dare dispute with you. Go back to the cesspool from whence you came.

  • Lay_Monk

    “Therefore, what we find in pagan archeology are simply manmade forgeries from true originals prior to St. Mary’s image which rebuts the agenda of the unredeemed who claim
    that Christianity evolved from paganism. Such claims therefore are simply done by building on similarities while ignoring the differences. This trick is what generates volumes of worthless reading material…

    This tendency from pagans is documented in our very own New Testament Scriptures:

    Acts 14:7-17

    7 And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, a cripple from his mother’s womb, who never had walked.

    8 This same heard Paul speaking. Who looking upon him, and seeing that he had faith to be healed,

    9 Said with a loud voice: Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped up, and walked.

    10 And when the multitudes had seen what Paul had done, they lifted up their
    voice in the Lycaonian tongue, saying: The gods are come down to us in
    the likeness of men;

    11 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter: but Paul, Mercury; because he was chief speaker.

    12 The priest also of Jupiter that was before the city, bringing oxen and garlands before the gate, would have offered sacrifice with the people.

    13 Which, when the apostles Barnabas and Paul had heard, rending their clothes, they leaped out among the people, crying,

    14 And saying: Ye men, why do ye these things? We also are mortals, men like unto you, preaching to you to be converted from these vain things, to the living God, who made the heaven, and the earth, and the sea, and all things that are in them:

    15 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.

    16 Nevertheless he left not himself without testimony, doing good from heaven, giving
    rains and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.

    17 And speaking these things, they scarce restrained the people from sacrificing to them.

    • Wise observation Monk. Even a serpent is not always a bad symbol for it was used twice with the bronze serpent and Moses’s stave. It s not the object that is bad it is what it signifies that makes all the difference.

      • Lay_Monk

        Thank you Walid. Exactly!

        This observation was a mere penny in comparison to the pound sterling’s I continually find here at shoebat.com.

        God created both the snake and the dove. Satan cannot create he can only counterfeit God’s creation and pervert His truths, as you so eloquently stated in your article.

        These tricks are easy to see through once one knows the truth and has been ‘set free’.

        God Bless

  • Vinny Zee

    As far as I know, the satanic attack on Mary has not been called off. Pray. This is all we can do. Pray that the sanctity of our Rite not be blasphemed.

    http://okgazette.com/2016/06/29/black-mass-and-the-consumption-of-mary-set-for-aug-15/

    • Julie LaBrecque

      This is desecration to the max – these same tools of the devil desecrated a statue of Mary this past Christmas Eve by pouring/wiping pig’s blood on it, done right across the street from ST. Joseph’s Parish – this occurred WITH permission from the City of Oklahoma City. Satan is not unaware of THE Church calendar – it is no mere coincidence that the Luciferians have their blasphemy on the Feast of the Assumption. Further, the City of Oklahoma City has given permission for this hideous and evil Black Mass (this will be the second one) to be held ON CITY-OWNED PROPERTY.
      ‘American Needs Fatima’, as they have done before, will be holding a rally in protest of this event across the street from the event. Pray for Oklahoma, we are under attack from without and within, as the Satanists are being aided and abetted by the local City government.

      • susan

        I read up on it. They’re going to desecrate Mary’s statue. Be-head it. Crush it. Defile it. And afterwards dig through the crushed remains and find and eat a pig’s heart that has been placed inside the statue. They hope this will open up a portal to hell.

        • Julie

          Our 54 day novena begins tomorrow…and ends Oct 7…

          And after reading this article..it is another one that must be passed on and our attention now turned to Mary of Guadalupe…come December…the new liturgical year!

        • Julie

          Horrific

        • Kelly ann

          Is the U.S. Going to hell ? From the article

          “We’re not doing anything against the law,” Daniels said. “Against canon law, sure. But the United States’ law? No. We’re not doing anything wrong

        • Julie LaBrecque

          This idiot Satanist took debris from the Murrah Building (that was blown up by Timothy McVeigh) and built an altar from it – when an ABC Nightline reporter made a comment about this, the Satanist (Adam Daniels) responded that he used it because of all the energy it contained. Further, the site of the Murrah Building, now known as the OKC Memorial, was formerly the location of the St. Joseph’s School – and this is right across the street from St. Joseph’s Parish (on a corner) in downtown OKC – and across from the front of the parish is where this freak and his minions desecrated a statue of Mary on Christmas Eve.

          • Стефан Евгений

            The schmoe even has clerical clothing on. i would like to give him a Cossack horse whipping.

          • susan

            This “Adam” talks of ruling the demons. It’s the same trick satan uses with all his “worshippers”. Have they forgotten that satan has no loyalty? He’s judas. Whatever you give to him, he will take more.

        • Стефан Евгений

          Satan knows his time is short the hate for the Bogoroditsa is on the increase… see the Ukie nationals toss eggs and trash at the icon of Bogoroditsa.

          • susan

            Sighs. Something i read awhile back …when they try and tear her Son from her arms…she will ask God for justice.

          • Kudos to the brave soldiers and police protecting the faithful and the priests. We need something like that here.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Walid – this is beyond spectacular, in my opinion, your Magnum Opus, not to be outdone. I noticed your ‘absence’ here, had pondered what was going on, should have recalled your response to Kelly Ann about why the moon was black in the icon. Will write more later, thanks for such a detailed and exhaustive article, which, easily could be a book. God bless you and yours …

    • Julie

      Yes…the moon black…never thought about it…but now did think of Aquinas…
      our understanding of God can be compared to an eye of the owl next to the sun…the eye only working in darkness…just a thought.

    • “should have recalled your response to Kelly Ann..”

      I keep my word sister Julie. Now you know why I was absent. Always remember WaddaLubba and what it really means.

      Thank you sister Julie.

      • Julie

        I am also going to come back….it is an Aztec name, spelling difficult…the Spaniards thought she was ‘she who crushes the head of the serpent’ in Aztec language…but called her of Guadalupe…have to check this out for sure…I was into Mary of Guadalupe in 1989 right before we moved out of state…

        The many priests are more fond of Mary of Guadalupe than of Fatima because she communicated to the Aztecs on their level — pictographs — and loving…and they converted in masses…

        Mary of Fatima showed hell to the children…..scary…

        • susan

          Who would have thought that children should be shown hell? I look at these pictures of children beheading adults…children “warriors” taught sadism…and God knows only what else… Will there be more of Fatima’s message? Will there be anymore visits from the Mother of God? When was the last visit? Does anyone know?

          • Julie

            Understood…empathize with your remark.

        • Kelly ann

          But a reality

          • Julie

            I think it is why kids have no fear of leaving the Church today.

          • Kelly ann

            because they don’t think they can go to hell?

            Or because they think , hell only exist within the teachings of the church ?

          • Julie

            It is because there are no teachings from the pulpit on hell and satan.

          • Kelly ann

            You are so right Julie. Hummm but maybe God has chosen a different way to teach them about hell by giving us hell on earth.

          • Julie

            The consequences perhap of keeping people happy happy…hope to go to a pontifical Mass celebrated by our bishop soon….

          • Kelly ann

            The Latin rite you mean ? Of the high alter, if so oh my goodness you will love it . It’s the most beautiful worship I’ve ever attended, tears Julie tears came. It’s so full of worship of Our Lord. So beatiiful. So holy. We should celebrate them All the time. Now that will draw our people back to the catholic faith. If only we had more of them, I pray for it to happen my dear. I don’t know about you but , in our churches it’s mostly immigrants who attend. Very few white Canadians go.

          • Julie

            There are American young people being drawn to the Mass. In my area, which is among the most liberal and agnostic in the country, we don’t have too many.

            But I see other places in the country where the young people are on fire, and likewise drawn to the ancient Latin rite…also some Afro Americans as well.

            Because I worked in the missions and saw the good of Vatican II, it is responsible for great conversions across Sub Sahara….and many Africans die for their Catholic faith, and many become priests and come to America with very strong faith.

      • Kelly ann

        What have I done to you Mr Shoebat, I only ask a simple question about the moon and how the Muslims would react to it. I’m sorry but I do love this response.

        • You are a good trouble maker causing trouble for the devil.

          Do you have any other question?

      • Julie LaBrecque

        I know you keep your words – these discoveries you uncovered/unveiled are simply incredible – I have what i thought was a very ‘thorough’ book on the Image (“Guadalupe Mysteries, Deciphering the Code’), I now feel that it is incomplete, am going to keep copy of your article IN THE BOOK. I told my Deacon about the article this morning, how you uncovered Arabic language connections, etc, promised him I would send a link for the story since I didn’t have time to print one out before I left for Mass without being late for the Rosary, which he leads.

    • Julie

      Julie…Walid really has to book a new book out on Guadalupe…plus add the scientific discoveries that have come out as well….

      • Grandmere

        I like it.

  • And surprise, surprise, this also shows that the Catholic church did not create Islam as one conspiracy fanatic insisted earlier this week. Another great article to try to wrap my ageing brain around.

  • Thank you Kathie, I have read that link prior to my analysis. I was actually trying to add to their good work.

  • I might take your advise and add much to it. I haven’t even started yet.

    • Julie

      I can’t find the tota pulchra es version for Trevor….but yes…draw on all that is out there….and get a book on Mary of Guadalupe …it will be great!

    • Kelly ann

      Keep going Mr Shoebat.

    • jami

      Walid, pls check out the news from Uttar Pradesh in India, where they hav printed Mother Mary and Jesus pictures on footwear. I have the pics and print on my phone but im unable to paste it here. I think its from some Hindus. Regards to Maria

      • Anyone who hates Mother Mary is not human.

        • jami

          Totally agree. It scares me whats wrong with these people . Im sure Mother Mary still cares for these stubborn children.

      • Julie

        She is coming to the Hindus it seems…

        • jami

          yea for sure, the Hindus will receive her

  • They (Copts) and others do not blaspheme since Allah was made to evolve into a word as God evolved from Gott akin to Persian Khoda.

    Translations of the Bible into Arabic had to endure Muslim scrutiny. But I agree, we should use Rabb and Al-Ilah (The God)

    But glad you understand Arabic since you will understand WaddaLubba.

    Glad you know Arabic Nasrani (follower of the Nazarene).

  • Any refutations line by line from the article? We all heard your sermon many times before.

    • Tom_mcewen

      Walid, time for him to burn all the Sunday school books for children. I am sure it is pages and pages of images of the old testament heroes and new testament stories with two lines of “Bible quotes paraphrased for child” illustrated with an image. Horrors of horrors, the children no doubt make costumes and act as living icons in plays of Yeshua and Shaul. Stone the children for idolatry, Christian.

  • susan

    me too. 🙂

  • Same here. If that’s all I could do…I’d be a happy man.

  • Hermano Santiago:

    VIVA Cristo Rey

    Soy Guadalupano de Belen.

  • Julie

    Very interesting thought.

  • Julie

    Christ did not set up the Bible. He established His Church…and the Church assembled the Bible…based on the Septuagint….the most accurate translation…the one that Christ and His apostles used…………

  • Muslims were humbled (the moon) after the fall of the Ottomans. Now this same moon is turning back to blood (Jihad).

    • Taurnil Oronar

      Interesting way to say that Walid. Perhaps the blood moon believers should have been looking towards the middle east instead of up.

  • Michael Lochmoeller

    Excellent study Walid. You’re like a scholar. These are new and interesting concepts to a protestant like me.

  • Kelly ann

    Mr Shoebat said, in Islam shoes have to be remove once a Muslim enters a mosque , and seeing that the crescent is the crown of the mosque this is an outrage, especially since it’s done by a woman, Mr Shoebat told me that this would cause riots in the Middle East, he did not speak about it in the article.

  • Kelly ann

    St paul said the church is the pillar and the foundation of the the faith, the bible was not mention in this passage.

    And if you read the ends of both Ch 20 and 21 of St John’s gospel, you will see what the bible was intended for.

    • Julie

      We don’t see instructions by the Lord to build a altar and place a bible on it….

      We worship Christ Himself…not Christ in book form.

  • DANTEcrossingtheRiverStyx

    The singer in the hymn of hymn videos was bobbing his head around like in the recent Hillary video of her being interviewed by reporters and having spastic head movements.

  • Catbr

    Interesting information and reasoning you’ve written concerning the image of our Lady of Guadalupe. Lots of writing, research and comparisons. It is baffling but makes sense. Mary, in the bible, is known as the woman who will crush the head of satan. Many scholars have examined this image in attempts to prove or disprove it’s validity. I seem to remember, that when the eyes of Mary in this image were magnified many times and examined, the image of Juan Diego is seen. This proves it’s validity because it shows Mary is looking at Juan Diego and something this intricate would not have been able to be reproduced at that time (1500’s).

    • Julie

      I find today’s on Mary of Guadalupe incredible, absolutely so.

    • Jim Carroll

      Actually, further research and better imaging have shown not only the image of Juan Diego, but a whole scene of multiple people, including the local bishop. It looks like a snapshot of the room the instant Juan dropped his tilma to drop the roses on the floor.

      Ophthalmologists looking at the eyes of the image report seeing not only the images I just mentioned, but actually **3** such images. Images in our eyes not only appear on the back of the eye (where we actually “see”), but in two other locations as they pass through the lens and cornea of the eye. This effect was not known or documented until the 1920s. The ophthalmologists also report that the eyes are so lifelike that one found himself asking her to “look up”, the same way he would on one of his patients.

      • Catbr

        I’m not sure, but I don’t think any normal photo would show all these details in a person’s eyes. This must be a miracle allowed by God to prove his existence to humanity. But of course most people are more on the side of believing that it’s a hoax without any real proof of their claim.

  • Julie

    Some how when I see the crescent imposed on top of a mosque, it makes me think of the horns of a bull…In Pergamum, the pagans built a bull that was used to torture and kill people.

    The Bishop Patimos, the only one Christ referred to in Revelations, instead of screaming when a fire was put beneath it, and he placed inside to die, was instead praying for his people to endure in Christ.

    I think of the Bull used as the symbol of the bull market….

    In any form, find it evil looking.

  • Andy Holland

    Did not realize a copy of the image was used at Leponto! The Holy image destroys all falsehood.

    Its beauty and truth converted millions of indians to the Catholic faith. The flowers mark the positions of the stars along with the moon indicating a date as you point out 12/12.

    There is a symbol of the moon with five sided stars under Mary’s feet however the moon is also a symbol of the Church and the five sided stars are rosaries – so the false five sided star is overcome by the true star of rosaries.

    1531 is 1500 years after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ (31 AD the date of His death), a time (1000 years) and half a time (500) remembering first ‘a day unto the Lord is as a thousand years and a thousand years as a day.’

    There are many many miracles associated with this image that was written in heaven perhaps by Saint Luke himself as he is ever Our Lady’s attending.

  • The oldest Quran’s were found in Masjid Al-Kabeer in Yemen. There is much written on it.

    • Julie LaBrecque

      I still have the poster of Saddam Hussein for you to interpret the Arabic writing underneath his photo – it is in a cylindrical mailing tube – I just need an address so I can mail it – you can text me (918-671-2556), or give the address to Grandmere, then she can pass the info to me.

      • We will get in touch tomorrow. Hope you don’t mind I copied and then asterisk your number.

        • Grandmere

          Julie is using the Think Tank switchboard. If I don’t have the connection I can always use the six degrees of separation to get it.

  • “the Spaniards came to the Americas to Christianize us when history clearly proves that was the last thing on their mind.”

    In Bethlehem we were told the same thing about the Israelis.

    So now Israeli = bad? Palestinian = good?
    Aztec = good ? Spaniard = bad?

    What you see now in Mexico is return to Aztecism. Is it better?

    We spent a year studying Mexico and produced this:

    • Tom_mcewen

      I am amazed as always people don’t place events in history or context. The Spanish conquistadors and their fathers had just won a war lasting 781 years. War was the only profession they had probably ever known. They were very hard men, whose pay was what you took. They were feared in all the Spanish territories, Holland was terrified of them, the Philippines, India, Japan everywhere. The Bishop of Mexico was under 24 hour armed guard because of his view that the Mexicans were human, this view was not held by the governor. The only restriction was the Catholic Church on their actions and the belief that to fight the church was excommunication and hell. They were men of their time, brutal, savage and hungry warriors looking for security in land, position and wealth checked only by the church.

      • Spaniard

        Mr. McEwen, Amazing summary of the Spaniards of old! There is documented history of my forefathers involved in battles against muslims in the 700’s, the Reconquista of Spain, and also of conquering the pagans of Mexico. I do hope you approve of me quoting your summary of the Spaniards to my family. I have never read or thought of such a short and concise statement of the Spaniards who impacted world history. I THANK YOU very much for your compliments and views! Most don’t know, but the Conquistadors of Mexico immediately had churches (many churches in each neighborhood) built where their children were baptized in the name of Christ. If the Spaniards who fought the wars against muslims in Andalusia and later in Mexico were not strong and brave men, I would not be here in this moment to thank you. Thank you Man of Ireland from Spaniard! Keep up the good fight sir

        • Tom_mcewen

          The Spanish were hard warriors and were the first to reclaim their Nation from the enemy we face today, we all owe them honor. Cortez was a good soldier and as a lord of an area larger then Spain, his name in the name of political correctness has been blackened but he was a worthy soldier, father and a friend if possible to the Mexican people against their Spanish abusers.

          • Michelle Therese

            Also, war against pagans was not a neat tidy war with Christian chivalry. It was, and still is, brutal and the pagans fight as dirty as possible, you can’t prance in and fight like gentlemen, just ask any soldier that has fought against Islamic armies overseas!

  • Tom_mcewen

    Any time I see the word yeshua or the name of Moses sister and the term “confused people who can’t understand the scriptures in a profound way” coupled with the voices in their head labelled the Holy Spirit I know I am listening to a member of a cult.

  • Grandmere

    We will have a dozen people who will come in here, each claiming that they have a profound understanding of the scriptures. Yet they each have a different understanding. But they all claim that their understanding is from the Holy Spirit, And you say we are confused?

    • Стефан Евгений

      SNAP! Moy Baba!

  • Dan Knight

    Reading Shoebat is always an education.

    God bless, Walid. And may the Lord watch over you and your family and protect them.

  • Стефан Евгений

    Santiago, Russia does not need to be “consecrated” countles times.
    Russia ,is the Home of the Mother of God, It was in times past is now and ever shall be. She did not forget us or we her.
    I pray for Mexico in these dark times that the Bogoroditse will aid Mexico.

    (Troparion)
    Bogoroditse devo, raduisya, Blagodatnaya
    Mariye, Gospod s Toboyu.
    Blagoslovenna Ty v zhenakh, i blagosloven plod
    chreva Tvoyego,
    yako Spasa rodila esi dush nashikh.
    (Troparion)
    Rejoice O Virgin Theotokos, Mary full of grace,
    the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among
    women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, for
    thou hast borne the Saviour of our souls.

    • David W

      From this Wednesday eve Paraklesis:

      To the Theotokos, let us run now most fervently,
      As sinners and lowly ones,
      Let us fall down in repentance,
      Crying from the depths of our soul:
      Lady, come and help us,
      Have compassion upon us;
      Hasten now for we are lost
      In the host of our errors;
      Do not turn your servants away,
      For you alone are a hope to us.
      Glory to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit, now and ever and unto ages of ages, Amen.

      O Theotokos, we shall never be silent.
      Of your mighty acts, all we the unworthy;
      Had you not stood to intercede for us
      Who would have delivered us,
      From the numerous perils?
      Who would have preserved us all
      Until now with our freedom?
      O Lady, we shall not depart from you;
      For you always save your servants,
      From all tribulation.

    • Julie

      Again…it is about the communists..not the Orthodox for heaven’s sake! we prayed for them, saw pictures of the parades of children who defied and turned their parents in…so horrific…the gulags…

      It is NOT about the Orthodox!..it is about the communists.

      I worked in an African country that went Marixt and first day…the anti American propaganda went out…their independence…and then the persecution of the Church and martyrs….

      Look what they did to the Vietnamese Catholics in Vietnam….Poland, …of course the Orthodox did not do these things..

      It is the errors of the Soviet Union…Mother Mary did not recognize the communist name, only Russia’s God given name.

      • Стефан Евгений

        Well, I hope you spread this info to other Catholics. The commies are not in power now, have not been for over 25 years now. You would think people got the message.

        • Julie

          But aren’t they still there?…why is Russia so aggressive militarily?? We pray Russia will not start WWIII…same with China.

          I see Guadalupe as the transition from Communism to Islam….and the rosary is our greatest weapon with penance.

          • Clearly, Russia is aggressive militarily. Look at all the countries they have invaded. Look how close they have placed their borders to the NATO missile shield. You better start praying America and their European vassals don’t start WW3.

        • Julie

          Why is Russia calling Nato to lay down their arms? Russia and China look like they want war…and that is not the work of Christianity.

      • Стефан Евгений
        • That short article sounds like a lot of good news to me. I think there is a good chance if Trump is elected the tension with Russia will lessen. So many have been fooled by propaganda in the west, especially in North America. Every time I read something from a source I thought was stable and they then jump on this bandwagon that Russia is our enemy it just raises a huge red flag. Because it is false and does not need to be so. Even a child could see who is the invader now. It is especially the U.S. in one defenceless country after another. They always have to have an enemy to fight. Nixon had the war on cancer when he knew darn well the Salk Polio vaccine was contaminated with Simeon cancer viruses. SV40. Lots of money for the pharmaceutical companies. And the war on poverty, as their policies force people into poverty. And the war on drugs, except CIA is involved in drug running. Great way to fund their adventures. And now the enemy of them all: The war on terror. They move the boogey man they created from one country to another and then say ‘look, Al CIAda is in this country. We shall have to go in to clean them out. And now they have Russia and China. People should have listened to Dr. Ron Paul who said if he was elected President he would begin immediately bringing troops home from the 100+ over seas bases. Rather than all these foreign misadventures why not try peace and trade? Peace and trade doesn’t feed the military industrial complex in international banker funded wars of mass slaughter. I’ve got to top typing now because the more words I string together the more upset I’m getting and I shall be a slobbering fool in a few more minutes. God bless Russia and the Orthodox church. May we all stand united as one for the cause of Christ our Lord.

        • Julie

          Fantastic…now it is time for the Orthodox to pray for us and for conversions to God in our country!!!!

        • Grandmere

          Such wonderful news. Like a cool drink of water in the desert.

        • Julie

          Check out http://www.mysticpost.com

          Today is my second feast day…August 22….Immaculate Heart of Mary traditional date and Queen of Heaven.

          Today’s August 22 talks about Mother Mary of Kazan and her icon’s connection to John Paul II, fatima….let me know what you think…i had to go back here so many pages to share with you.

  • You can never convince a bigot and he will always change the subject.

    Besides that you evaded the topic and focused on the semantics instead, but you repeated what you claimed to abhor:

    “our job as Christians is to pray for faggots …”

    If our job is to only, lets say pray for Muslims, then the Christian in Iraq should pray for ISIS and never fight them.

    This goes for the Israelis who fight Arabs and also for Americans who fought Japan, ISIS, Nazism ….

    Do me a favor and answer the simple quiz given to you and stop repeating yourself like a broken record. You’r boring me.

  • Julie

    I would go through this article again….

  • Grandmere

    I thought you had a profound understanding of the scriptures. Maybe you never read I Timothy 3:15. We play hardball here. And I find it kind of dumb to call Kelly Ann “brother”. You do want to be ever so precise, don’t you?

  • In case you are misunderstood, individual believers are not ‘the church’. The church is the entire body of believers with Bishops and deacons leading and teaching as they received the apostolic tradition.

  • Tom_mcewen

    Really? The Jews who were slaves in Babylon for three generations lost their Hebrew. No subject people keeps their language when they don’t have the sword, when they returned they couldn’t read the books in Hebrew, the Samaritans as the dressers of the land could, but they were unclean and heretics. The Greeks invaded and conquered these barbarians and these barbarians learned greek if they wanted to survive. Maccabees is written in Greek and the Jews rewrote the scriptures in Greek because the people couldn’t understand it, from 250-280 BC. Jesus not yeshua read the greek Septuagint in the synagogue at the opening of his ministry not Hebrew. The burial urns of the Chief priests and others who condemned Jesus are written in Greek not Hebrew. Greek was the language of the Roman empire in cultural and trade. Roman legionaries didn’t spent time learning the barbarian’s tongue, people who hold the sword never do. The destruction of the temple contains engraved greek signs not Hebrew. The language of the peasants was Aramaic which is as far from bewolf to modern English. With three revolts the last in 132 AD was Hebrew reinvented as an excuse for the destruction of the temple, the destruction of the religious system as why God was mad at them, the Septuagint was greek therefore used throughout the empire to gain Jewish converts to Christianity a very bad thing in the Jewish rabbi’s in 97 AD. Find me a protestant who believed in this yeshua before the 20th century? It is the same as I have a BMW, I am better then you, I say yeshua I am better then you and closer to God then you. It is a cult.

  • I’ve seen this before. Yupp, it’s a cult. Do you really think if you make an issue about how to say a name, whether according to Hebrew or another language this makes you closer to God? It doesn’t. It is infantile. We speak English. We don’t say Shaul. We say Saul. We don’t say Yeshua. In English it is Jesus. In French Peter is Pierre. Incidentally, so is the word rock called pierre. as in on this rock I will build my church. But we don’t say Pierre in English. We say Peter which is totally correct. You need to humbly go read the Catholic Encyclopedia or something like that and start untangling your mind, because you are in big trouble and you don’t even see it. You think you are a genius. Dude wake up.

  • Shannon Courtney

    I find it hard to read on the computer screen. I wanted to print this. The print option button is no longer available?

    • Grandmere

      You should be able to find one on your tool bar.

      • Shannon Courtney

        When I push print, it only prints first page (image on computer) when I try to save to PDF, all the pages are blank. I’ll work with this a little more- maybe some trick I don’t know about my Apple computer.

  • John Mungai

    https://youtu.be/Ds7nD_QNeKA

    Best video I ever saw

  • “666 hat?” “Graven image on a stick?”

    Are you kidding me?

    First, you must provide evidence that the headgear that he wear is 666, and second, the stick he carry is a shepherd staff. You obsesses over the sun and completely misses the cross on top of the sun as in to declare the Lord as the Righteous Sun (Psalms 37:2, Malachi 4:2).

    Second, Protestantism is a hot mess, and it’s why I finally am leaving it. The Great Schism between Rome and Constantinople will end when they settle their doctrinal dispute. Protestants will either come into the apostolic church or be left. It’s up to them.

    • Raph Sebastian

      Bro Trevor, after years of being here and flushing turds like that down the cesspool from whence they came, do you really expect a reply from this Hislopian hogwash peddler?

      The penitent man shall pass, but the false witness bearer shall not.

    • Julie

      (I think it will settle when they stop being bull headed.)

  • Grandmere

    Oh, my! I always heard it was a fish hat. I see you have fallen under the spell of Alexander Hislop. He has been thoroughly discredited, even by former followers. His way seems right to some but it ends in death. You have heard the saying “follow the money”. Here is the one for you. “Follow the Apostles.”

  • Kelly ann

    I don’t know what book you read as well. you believe in Jesus Christ , that is to say that he did exist you mean? He gave St Paul his new name. Do you believe that?

  • Nan

    Dormition is analogous to Assumption. Immaculate Conception is a separate issue. Or are you saying the dormition proves immaculate conception?

  • Tom_mcewen

    “Thou shall not make a graven image” An God told Moses to put two graven images on the ark of beaten Gold of cherubims the Second highest Angels who also guard the garden of eden. To place graven images of grapes in the Temple, to make a graven image of a snake on a pole that people may look upon it and be healed. The first century synagogues that Christ visited had painted murals of Joseph time in Egypt and the journey of the Jews from Egypt to the promise land. These murals still exist, I am sure if Jesus was a good Calvinist he would have mentioned it, he didn’t. I think you are pushing the Hebrew word pesel very hard. I don’t think Calvin was saved.

  • Стефан Евгений

    Icons are not Idols ……

    http://www.ocf.net/icons-are-not-idols/

    Dura Europous Synagogue…… Jews and Christians knew what a Icon was and what a Idol was.

    http://chayacassano.commons.gc.cuny.edu/history/history-of-the-synagogue-and-of-the-jews-in-dura-europos/

    • Tom_mcewen

      I really hate these view of God, icons are produced by love striving to express through beauty the best man can do. To degrade this beauty is to degrade man and God’s gifts to him. When the ambassadors when sent to gather information if the russians should become Orthodox, they reported they didn’t know if they were in Heaven or not, but whatever it was beautiful. The beauty of the icons brought the Russians to Christ, the smoke of the altar brought russians to Christ the majesty of the mass brought russians to Christ the gift of his body and his blood brought the Russians to Christ. And the demon said I know Peter and I know paul and who are you? Calvin, I know you not.

      • Стефан Евгений

        American Sects have a totally pagan view of who Go really is Tom. They are painted wit a brush of ignorance.

  • Стефан Евгений

    Mexico like Russia suffered the communist atheist yoke, I understand full well…… Pray before the holy icon she will hear.

  • Raph Sebastian

    The penitent man shall pass, but the false witness bearer shall not.

  • You don’t know who Alexander Hislop is, but what you want everyone else to know are the links you send.

    Can’t have it two ways pal. A discussion goes both ways, so yes, who is Alexander Hislop?

  • He did have Israelites carve two images of angels on the Ark. The OT says not to have idols of anything in heaven. How would you reconcile this Mr. genius?

  • There you go again with misunderstanding scripture. What about the cherubs on the Ark. Cherubs are in heaven and the Israelites carved these.

    Let me see. Ahhh its because these two cherubs are in the Bible? Anything else that is not should never be carved?

    Instead of reinventing the wheel which we all know about, why not refute what we have:

    http://shoebat.com/2015/09/20/catholics-do-not-worship-idols-true-idolatry-is-to-reject-catholic-icons-the-russian-orthodox-church-which-is-filled-with-images-and-icons-will-fight-and-defeat-the-antichrist/

  • And how do you know the mind of God to the point that you know what He likes to burn? And where is this burning of Vatican in the Bible fake Indiana?

    • Julie

      thank you…you know how to get around these…

  • So glad to read your comment.

  • Grandmere

    When you are new to something, it is better to listen and think it over before you reply. Maybe do some research into the other position.

    • I hope you don’t mind the arguments brewing on isle 7 I deleted the whole thread since there was vomit all over. I deleted the patients with the nurses who were not at fault in order to wipe off all traces of the bickering vomit back and forth between two children whose stomaches cannot handle falafel.

      This one above who thinks he is Indiana Jones needs a little patience, but I think he reads a lot of comic books.

      • Grandmere

        Maybe we should send him to The Island.

        • The Island? Of Dr. Moreau? Grandmere???:)

          • Grandmere

            The movie that Chef gave me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms4TXwIDutM

          • That was horrible. Who would want to go to that island? The entire time I thought it was either a penal colony, insane asylum or hell perhaps. Anatoly was a raving loon.

          • Grandmere

            Anatoly was consumed by the intolerable burden of his sin. Imagine his relief when he met up with Tikon after all those years.

          • Well yes he was consumed. But how he dealt with it didn’t make sense. It was like he was following Luther to go sin as much as possible. And I couldn’t tell if Tikon was just feeding him a story about the captain having survived the gun shot to make Anatoly feel better or if he was telling the truth. It was such a grim movie I sat there wondering why I am watching this. But I was also riveted to see if there would be answers at the end.

          • Grandmere

            Tikon the Admiral was the same Tikon. How else would he have known about the explosion? It was strange how neither one reached out to embrace the other with joy that they both survived.

          • Ah, I wondered that also. I think I missed a connection at some point. Probably got distracted for a moment. Tikon got shorter and Anatoly got taller. I did like the little sanctuary they built there.

        • naaaa, I like him. He dresses in a hat and carries a whip, but he never discovered a single archeological relic and he thinks he is Indiana Jones. He says he is penitent but he does not know what it means.

          • Grandmere

            On the island, he can put that archaeological pick and shovel to good use. LOL.

          • He will only shovel coal and sleep on coal until he gets sainted and make real falafels.

    • Indeed. If speech was made of silver, silence is made of gold.

  • Okay, let me explain to you how it works.

    Do not send out 500 red herrings assuming we didn’t hear them all. We did. There is nothing new you bring up.

    Do not post links to other sites, make your own argument.

    Do not repeat things addressed on this blog. For example, you bring up images, we have articles on that, go there and refute.

    Do not be a grass hopper. In other words, leave some green for others to chew on.

  • Grandmere

    May God bless you on your journey.

  • Tom_mcewen

    He did say to Peter, He who hears you hears me. You don’t hear Peter so you don’t hear Jesus do you. You reject Peter and you reject Jesus. What does Claire Kecharitomeno mean? You reject that too don’t you. You accept Calvin but reject the apostles, the apostolic fathers who gave us the bible. You reject the greek and Latin fathers whose theology gives us God’s mind. You reject the Catholic university which gave us reason and science. You accept men who never spent a moment with jesus physically, who don’t believe in the apostolic fathers and their walk with the apostles. You do accept that History ended in acts and the apostles were mute. You are what I see in europe which produced the death of protestantism. All Protestants are right all things protestants believe is true, all Protestant truths are relative and must be treated with Tolerance. A tree is known be its fruit, the fruit of protestantism on the continent of Europe is 40-89% agnostics and atheists. Robert Frost said, Good fences make good neighbors, well the Protestant fences lays in ruins and the barbarians are crossing the fallen wall to cut your throat, not ours in the Visegrad nations we are Catholics we fought in Lepanto in 1571 AD and at Vienna in 1683 AD against Islam and you fought for them not for Christ. Protestantism is worthless in the fight coming, we got a lot to carry a broken weapon is not one of them.

    • Grandmere

      Calvin and his TULIPs. The Tulip Mania of 1636 didn’t last and ended in disaster.

      • Tom_mcewen

        Yes, many sold all they had to buy tulips and lost all, today many sell all they have and buy TULIPS from Calvin’s flower shop and will lose all they have too. But when they are poor and destitute they can go preach salvation to the forlorn Catholics. God loves a sinner and a good joke, don’t you think? Calvin.

  • Okay we start from scratch. In one comment to said that you do not know about Hislop. This was a crucial issue since Hislop is the father of many of the ideas you uphold.

    Alexander Hislop was addressed here:

    http://shoebat.com/2014/04/11/why-catholics-having-icons-is-right-and-evangelicals-not-having-icons-is-wrong/

    And especially here:

    http://shoebat.com/2014/09/15/every-christian-needs-know-bible-prophecy/

    Now you are welcome to refute, but please show the quotes you are refuting first. No general statements. One bullet at a time, even if it is a .22 caliber, it needs gunpowder.

  • You can cut and paste from the link to make your argument. But homework is necessary in order to reach a change and change goes both ways. None of us know everything.

  • Grandmere

    The Bible doesn’t say anything about serving coffee and donuts. Wednesday night prayer meetings. Annual revival meetings. Microphones. Please don’t choke on a gnat, man.

  • Grandmere

    Truce. You have two ears and one mouth for a reason. Remember that.

  • Don’t forget to respond to the below.

  • “But the wording of the 2nd commandment is “do not bow down to them.”

    All Israel bowed towards the Ark with the Cherubs. So this point is mute. It was not the angels they worshipped but the Holy Spirit Who was IN the Ark just as Christ is in the Communion which you reject.

    “So whether revering them or worshipping them, if you’re bowing, which we would all do in mass when I was a kid, with Jesus hanging up there, then that would seem to violate the 2nd commandment, as it is written.”

    This 2nd commandement has been ironed out for two thousand years. Why iron out what is ironed out already?

    As if kissing your mother’s photo is not idolatry, yet kissing Christ or His mother is? Whom do you love more, your mom or Christ?

    “Yes, your research is correct about the Jews and ancient Christians painting mosaics, and making unto themselves all sorts of likenesses of things. The question is, was God pleased by that? Is it not possible that they were all wrong?”

    If they were WRONG God would have reprimanded them in scripture. But if you notice, the images God got angry at them for is the Ashira polls and the pagan idols. Not once did God in the OT reprimand them for bowing to the Temple and Ark with angels on top. Even the High Priest poured the blood on that Mercy Seat with two carved images. You can’t escape this fact, so you still try to jimmy rig your verse to apply to Jesus and St. Mary the Mother of Jesus Who was God and therefore, She is the Mother of God.

    Either God forgot or that you are simply wrong and have been listening to the remnants of the evil Zwingli.

    Do you know much about Zwingli who sold sausages during fast days and eventually got killed like the evil man he was?

    Or must I refer to more writ on the evils of Luther who said “sin and sin boldly” and Zwingli’s iconoclasm and violence?

    Do you know how violent the reformers where? Or are you simply reading what uneducated pastors write in silly books that are void of history?

    “… I think following man as a guide is not as great as following God’s rules to the letter.”

    No. You are deceived while you unintentionally deceive which is also utter deception in God’s eyes. What you are advocating here is to follow you not God. Scripture is scripture, but the only difference is how each side INTERPRETS it. Should we trust how saints interpreted it for 1500 years or should we follow how YOU, Luther and Zwingli interpreted it.

    This is the crux of the whole issue.

    We follow the Jerusalem from above with men made perfect, angels and a host of other saints and also Christ. (see Heb 13).

    You follow men.

    “Were Jesus to walk into the Vatican, seeing all the gold inlays, while people in Ethiopia were starving, would he be pleased with it?”

    YES HE WOULD. And just as it was in Jerusalem, He will not be pleased with the homosexual agendas, He does not mind gold laid at His feet. Christ was pleased with the Temple while the poor was always was with Israel. God ordered the temple to have gold inlays and ark inlayed with Gold. The stucco of the temple was pure gold too.

    You sound like Judas who frowned when expensive perfume was sacrificed at Christ’s feet. Judas would sound logical, like you are.

    Do you want to love the mind of Judas or Christ?

    In your argument above you chose Judas.

    “I gotta believe he would smash it to pieces just like he overturned the tables.”

    Why then did God allow the Vatican to lead victories against Islam while your Protestant reformers hailed the Caliph of Islam? Have you examined Lepanto and Vienna? Or are you ahistoric?

    Your problem is simple: what you perceive in your heart it is as if it is Christ. This is blasphemy.

    “Hislop has made this argument this about Catholics, but this whole argument predates him and goes back to the Reformation. The Protestants were smashing idols to Mary as well, if I’m not mistaken.”

    Not true. Martin Luther was NOT iconoclast, Zwingli and Calvin were. Perhaps you want to examine the Albegensians and the Hussites and see how evil these were. They too smashed Mary’s image.

    Now your troubles compound, you followed Judas with the perfume and now you follow the Cathar hatred of the Church?

    Repent my friend.

    “Now, I believe some protestants, some Catholics, and some Jews will enter the kingdom of heaven. In fact, one guy who calls himself the Third Eagle of the Apocalypse on Youtube seems to think the Protestants will be raptured, the Catholics protected, and the Jews sealed. Who knows if that’s right.”

    This is all playing God. Blasphemy. Who is this man to decide who will and who will not go to heaven.

    “That’s why I’m getting rid of my images.”

    Your mother’s photo is also an image. Get rid of it too. Just be like the Muslim.

    “God has set up the 2nd commandment so that people do not become deceived with false images. Images can be deceptive, but words in a book, that’s harder to corrupt.”

    We need both since it is also true that a picture is worth a thousand words.

    “As an example, take a look at 1 Corinthians 11:14–Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?”

    The Bible has hair like women and also has the Nazerene vow and Jews have made the sides of their hair long for centuries.

    Christ is “morning star” and so is the devil “morning star”.

    Your problem is that you do not examine the differences while you harp on similarities.

    We have two eyes and a head, but so does the snake. The difference is that a snake has poison, we don’t.

    STOP examining similarities. It will lead you to deception. EXAMINE differences. Mary is not Ishtar and neither are Mary’s images like Ishtar since there are DIFFERENCES.

    You fell for the devil’s oldest trick.

    “Now, the Nazirites had long hair, but Jesus was not a Nazirite. He didn’t follow those rules. So I’m pretty certain that Jesus did not have long hair.”

    FALSE. He is called Nazarene for a reason. It is in the Bible. Must I expound on that too?

    “Could it be that this is why God laid down the 2nd commandment? When the false Christs appear, like the Dajjal, or Isa ibn Maryam, (I believe they’ll both be false Christs, and the real one comes after–third time’s the charm, right?) one or both will probably look exactly like the Jesus in every painting. Probably the Dajjal (who, most likely, the Jews will hail as their Mashiach). This could be part of the deception.”

    You claim to use scripture and you also claim that Dajjal might come with long hair, even though its not in scripture.

    Do not follow assumptions.

    “He created a demonic religion that also included iconoclasm! After Christianity was birthed”

    Icons of Moses riding a donkey was in the Temple which all Jews also worshipped in its direction. Moses riding the donkey resembled Christ’s entry into Jerusalem riding a donkey.

    Had the NT not been born when you were in Jerusalem, you would have rejected Christ and went running after Bar Kochba.

    “So when they [pagans] smash idols and kill priests with graven images behind them, I believe the devil is, in a way, accomplishing the Lord’s will.”

    Does the devil fight the devil? Does the devil want his kingdom gets divided? Why would the devil destroy God’s images? Have you read Psalm 74 with the carved works? And How God says that the enemy destroys these “carved works”?

    What carved works? Your church has no carved works. It has no incense. God in Malachi 1:10-11 said that the gentiles will burn incense day and night. Have you been burning incense lately? Of are you waiting for a Jewish temple that will deny the Trinity and believe that God would honor only those incense?

    “I don’t believe the Lord will look on either of them …”

    Your ways are not God’s ways and you and I are not God.

    Had I been Abel and you would have been Cain. I would do the illogical and kill a poor innocent animal sprinkling blood and burning carcasses while you would drink grape juice burning its pulp as an offering. Your offering would be logical but nor pleasing while mine illogical and very pleasing.

    And while I consume Christ you will consume a porridge.

    “He’s like Emperor Palpatine in The Return of the Jedi.”

    I hate Startreck. I hate Jedda and Jedi. Speak the things of God and forget using your SiFi logic.

  • How does the salvation of the penitent man be largely credited to me? And what is an American doing in Taiwan and China?

    Well, its good to hear from you living in the land of dragons 😉

    Share with us briefly your story.

  • Julie

    You are imposing the demon over the Blessed Virgin in Sacred Scripture.

    It is coming from your unclean heart and prejudice.

    You read the bible and make it sound like you are part of the 144,000…that arrived only now in 2016 and only those now alive in the present will be the 144,000 not the original elect of Prophetess Ellen…

    Yours is a product of the Stone Campbell Movement out of ignorant 1800’s Americana rural setting…just like the No Nothings.

    Sacred Scripture doesn’t call me or lead me to go around thinking I am better than you or anyone else….but to hear Christ speak and invite me into the new life with Him and to avoid sin and to depend on Him with all my life.

    You read it and it all comes out anti catholic.

    If you have any academic credentials, check out ‘Bearing False Witness: Debunking Centuries of anti Catholic History’, Rodney Stark, a non Catholic, and objective person seeking the Truth.

    Some how you Number 7- 144,000 people ignore the 10 commandments, especially, denying Christ and His Church and all those who have given witness to the Lamb who have responded to Word of God the past 2,000 years…subsequently not worshipping the One True God.

    You blaspheme His sacraments and don’t even bother to find out what they truly mean,taking all He does for us as we doing some kinds of works….blaspheming His holy name.

    You do not honor the Lord’s Day — the Day of His Resurrection and triumph over sin and death.

    You don’t honor parents of those…like Catholics…like my friend’s mother who went to her 7th day church…the daughter converted….and the preacher man, knowing the Catholic moth;er was there attending, started denouncing and condemning Catholics, and she got up and when walking out preacher man insulted her ….as a Catholic…and as a mother. The daughter and son-in-law left after they learned more about your preacher woman founder who knew more about numerology than Christ and His Church.

    Thou shalt not kill…. your belief system kills the Living Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist in the souls of all those you indoctrinate and brainwash.

    And doing so, this goes against the 6th commandment… that goes against having a pure soul.

    You violate the 7th commandment, when you steal the true meaning of the Lord, His Word and Church and Sacrament and turn it into that something that destroys eternal life in one’s soul. False witness can kill the person, not the body, you know.

    Regarding the 8th commandment, you bear false witness against Catholics/

    And with the 9th and 10th regarding covetous, because you are so obsessed with the Catholic Church, the Bride of Christ, we cannot help but see your envy and coveting of what the Church is and does.

    So don’t go about accusing Mary in sacred scripture of all places as being a demon….because the demon is really in you and causes you to think like this.

  • Julie

    What kind of bible are you studying…the one where one man, Luther took the books out that disagreed with his scrupulousness and disorder? You trust sola scriptura started by an imbalanced man who lived 1,500 years after Christ…you don’t think you are dealing with compromised information…and sources…and founders???….

  • Julie

    The 7th day hooked you when they took their bible and asked you if you believed if the bible was above the Church and how the Church turned the 10 commandments about and changed the sabbath.

    The sabbath is for the Jews, the Lord’s Day is for Christians.

    And you are using the metaphor of some simple catechist volunteer.

    The problem with yours is that the Church assembled the Bible. Without the Church we would not have the bible…and

    There are no masquerades in the bible.

    And you know very little of authentic apostolic teaching of Christ.

    The Lord never intended for us to come to Him in book form. He came to us through the 7 sacraments, in Revelations, the Lamb with 7 eyes….baptism, penance, Holy Communion, Confirmation, Holy Orders, Matrimony, healing/extreme unction. They are all there in the Scriptures.

    Baptism at the River Jordan. On the Day of the Resurrection, Christ gave the apostles power to forgive sins and to bind and loosen. Last Supper, the institution of the priesthood and the Eucharist. Pentecost, Confirmation, in the acts — healing.

  • Julie

    I will add, the commandments were changed a number of times…and they were written in single character….and when Moses came down with the 10 commandments on the tablets and saw the Israelis worshipping the Golden Calf, he tossed them to the ground.

  • Julie

    Assumption means to assume.

    The Church does not know if Mary died, went to sleep, or was taking up gloriously into heaven…all because she did not sin, was conceived without sin.

    So we are in no disagreement with the Orthodox…Pope Pius XII chose the word,’Assumption’…assume….mystery…a dogma.

    • Paul Francis

      How was she conceived without sin? Was she not born of a man and a woman?

      • Julie

        Understood about the Orthodox position that only Adam and Eve sinned…but in reference to Paul….the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak….we are not punished so much as we inherit their fallen nature and subsequently in part we need to be baptized and made pure.

        No we do not believe Mary ever sinned and also Our Lord could not be placed in a sinful womb as His tabernacle.

  • Every example you provided is from when Israel got into idol worship and you talk as if a multitude of verses (you copied and pasted) make your argument stick. You choose occasions as when Israel worshipped the golden calf, yet you apply them as when Moses made a bronze serpent (thats an image) and had all Israel look upon it and God said it was good, yet you say it was bad.

    Missapplying verses is the oldest trick in the book used by heretics who believe that there are no sacraments because they do not find the word “sacrament” in the Bible.

  • susan

    lol. Yep. I’m sure it’s not Athena. Athena is evil. The Virgin Mary is not. 🙂

  • “The Lord never said to make a crucifix, therefore it is idolatrous.”

    What an ignorant statement to make.Even as far as Ezekiel the sign of the Cross was made:

    “Pass through the city (through Jerusalem) and put a mark on the foreheads of those who moan and groan over all the abominations that are practiced within it” (Ezekiel 9:4). Here Ezekiel is speaking of the remnant of the people of God who remain faithful, to set them apart from the unfaithful. The Hebrew word for mark is the same as for the last letter of the alphabet, Tav, which in hand-written form is cross-shaped. It was used in the ancient world to brand animals. In Greek this is Tau, T, one of the possible shapes of Jesus’ actual cross.

    Even the blood on the doorpost and the lintels Moses made was a Crucifix.

    So according to your statement Ezekiel and Moses were idolators which such accusation makes you idolatrous. Accusing Moses and Ezekiel of idolatry is blasphemy.

    • Grandmere

      SNAP SNAP SNAP SNAP SNAP SNAP …………………………………………

  • If every angel is a masquerading devil, besides what you find in the New Testament, when has a true angel ever come as true light?

  • Every miracle presented you guys say “the devil masquerades as an angel of light”. Tell us then, that besides angels you find in the New Testament, has a real angel ever appeared as true light?

    I can almost guarantee you will not give a single example of a true angel appearing as true light.

    This makes your god as the Muslim god, who is unassociated whatsoever with humanity and this makes the Bible just like the Quran where God is done with us and all we have is a book.

    Just what kind of a god do you worship Indy? You also hate relics yet all your life you spent in pursuit of relics.

  • Kelly ann

    Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit who brings such visions , leads man to the pit.

    Prophesy is given as shadows of the future. Lord Jesus promised us that he would never abandon us,,he has kept his promise in full.

    Where as for you He only exist in a book.

    Doesn’t it say in there by St Paul , do not despise prophesy , but test all things and hold fast to that which is true.

    The church test prophesies given to make sure they are from heaven, God allows this because we are human and on many occasions we cannot see the hand before us. Inferior in our own capabilities.

    Without this testing you would not have a bible to read. Your a ignorant fool, your like the blasphemers who accused Our Lord of doing the work of the devil.

    Tell me then; where does it say in the bible chapter and verse, that the bible is the only authority from heaven?

    • The Penitent Man Shall Pass

      I really liked your reply up until your insult. I’m trying to save people from being deceived, same as you. Jesus says man does not live on bread alone, but by the word of God. The words of God are in the Bible. Also, Mary is not the Holy Spirit. Mary was a really great human woman. She’s up there in heaven, yes, but point to me in scripture where Jesus says the ghost of Mary will visit people. Please, because certainly the last thing I would ever do is blaspheme the holy spirit. Thank you, and God bless!

      • Ahh I forget, the unwise look not for correction, they look for the “insult”.

        • Grandmere

          We know that Preparation H has not worked on Hepatitis, Herpes or Hillary. Perhaps God has a special Preparation that works on Heresy.

          • Missed that one. It must still be “Preparation [H]ell”. SNAP!

  • Are you a Watchtower member?

  • Julie

    Show us the catechism stating Mary was not fully human.

  • Julie

    Show me in the Catholic Catechism that we do not believe Mary was fully human.

    That insinuation is so opposite of what we believe, and I find it very disconcerting this ongoing antagonistic attitude by the Orthodox towards us.

    People oftentimes will eventually join the universal Church of Rome for primacy of Peter…it is still there just as the apostolic succession is there for all the bishops….and they join in the end for the uniformity of faith and systematic theology.

    I cannot understand why the Orthodox cannot understand such theology; we have no problem understanding and accepting the cultural differences. Too contrary for me…

  • try to answer questions before you play your broken records. You never answered a single question or did you respond to a single reply. Waste of time. Go eat noodles in China.

  • Michelle Therese

    519 comments WOWZA!! That’s awesome!!

  • Michelle Therese

    I pray that you have no photographs, not posters, no framed pictures of anything in your home or on your person… also, no TV either, or the Internet ~ all of which are endlessly flashing images of everything here on the Earth and in the air and so forth and so on, as the Bible forbids. And?

  • Michelle Therese

    There are a shocking number of Muslims in Muslim lands that are converting to Christ ~ He is even showing Himself to them in person! But you will never hear of this through official channels, the Islamic nations cannot ever admit that this is happening.

  • Michelle Therese

    Wow ! Mary dancing on the crescent is even more awesome to imagine!
    And not all Native American dancing is moving around ~ in many tribes the women traditionally dance in place, or move forward slowly with a “bouncing” type of walking dance. (I’m Native myself, I’ve done some of this kind of dancing.) And when looking again at the image I can see the possibility very much of Mary engaged in a traditional style of dancing for Native women.

  • Michelle Therese

    “Simply believe in Christ”

    Please tell me then, of all the tens of thousands of churches “simply” believing in Christ, which one is the True Church founded by Christ Himself in the Bible? Which one??

    • Grandmere

      Who knows? Maybe only the snake handlers will make it. Or those that flop on the floor like fish in the bottom of their “ark”.

  • Grandmere

    So now the foul language comes out. That is a sure sign around here that you are out of bullets.

    • Don’t worry about him. I already induced his rapture.

  • “christ did not come to the world to form a church but that we who believe in him may have a relationship with him and the father. I personally go to an evangelical church called”powerhouse church””.

    Sounds confusing. If Christ did not come to form a church why go to church?

    • I guess in their mind it makes perfect sense. Each one gets to declare for themselves what is good and bad. Sounds much like something I read in Genesis.

  • Grandmere

    I noticed that you had (evangelical christians) in your post and that you attend Powerhouse Church. So does that mean that only those in my neighborhood who attend Twelve Stone Church, The Vineyard, The Oasis and heaven knows how many other odd ball names will make it into the kingdom? You obviously are a very poor fit at this site and I suggest you go elsewhere before you drown in a vat of falafel vomit. We are SICK TO DEATH OF YOU and you have only been here a few days.

  • Julie

    Mama Mary

  • You’re still harping over images? When will you move to “prayers to saints”? Can’t wait.

  • Indeed. God have mercy on your soul.

  • Michelle Therese

    Christ said so Himself that He was building a Church:
    “And on this rock I will build my CHURCH…”
    Why cannot people GET this?? Why is it always overlooked? Or blown off as nothing by those claiming to adhere to every single word of the Bible?? That same Bible tells us point-blank that Christ built a Church. It never says one word about Christ writing a book or leaving a book ~ but instead states firmly, “On this rock I will build my Church.” and says later that the *Church* is the pillar and bulwark of the truth, and we are further told to take discipline matters to the *church* ~ over and over again, church, church, church and “Christ did not come to the world to form a Church”
    Whaaaaat??

  • Michelle Therese

    Christ said so Himself that He was building a Church:
    “And on this rock I will build my CHURCH…”
    Why cannot people GET this?? Why is it always overlooked? Or blown off as nothing by those claiming to adhere to every single word of the Bible??

    That same Bible tells us point-blank that Christ built a Church. It never says one word about Christ writing a book or leaving a book ~ but instead states firmly, “On this rock I will build my Church.” and says later that the *Church* is the pillar and bulwark of the truth, and we are further told to take discipline matters to the *church* and this Church is physical and very much a local physical entity with Bishops and priests and deacons, even deaconesses at one point!

    This same Bible tells us, “Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they keep watch over your souls and will give an account for their work. Let them do this with joy and not with complaints, for this would be no advantage for you.”

    If the Church is some spiritualized invisible idea then what leaders are these? Except that Christ told us He was going to build a Church ~ and when we read the above passage with this in mind it makes perfect sense!

    Christ built a Church, He said so Himself in the Bible. But you and sooooo many continue to insist that, “Christ did not come to the world to form a Church” ???
    Whaaaaat??
    You contradict the holy Scriptures and the very words of Christ Himself!

  • susan

    So when the transfiguration took place…that was false too? This is what happens when you yourself determine what is false and what is true. You’ve become your own god. God gave us people in authority who will be judged by a higher standard….to instruct us. To give us the Eucharist, to absolve us from our sins. How do you “interpret” Jesus’ words concerning those teachings?

  • “Well, transubstantiation where the host and the wine literally become the body and blood of Jesus… I just don’t think that happens,”

    Then refute:

    http://shoebat.com/2016/01/25/91567/

  • Julie

    The Church buildings are on the same sentiment as God directing how to build His Temple for His earthly dwelling place.

    Now every Catholic/Orthodox has its altar to hold our Dear Lord and we don’t put Him in any place unfitting.

    But the Church is as essence us, and some day all will return or come into the Church as one.

    You should pray for that instead.

  • susan

    “.. I just don’t think that happens, and I don’t think the priests and bishops and Pope make that happen. Like, I think we can do that ritual ourselves. Jesus was always speaking in parables and analogies. I’m pretty sure He would say He was just making a metaphor. ”

    That’s a lot of “i” this and “i” that’s. Why do you even read the bible? How do you know that the men who gathered and transcribed the texts you enjoy weren’t corrupted? After all, they were all Catholic. Why not talk to God alone? Where does it mention the word “bible”? Where does Jesus say, “Read the bible and then you will receive My authority”?

    I figured we might as well start at the beginning. :). So who were the ones who kept the teachings of the Apostles and the Old Testament and pass them down through the centuries? How did they become the words that so many of us treasure and depend upon?

  • Astrology okay. Images and photos of Jesus is not. Got it.

  • Julie

    My printer working again….now to pass out to pastors…

  • Kelly ann

    i do believe he changed his name when he converted to Paul , all his letters are addressed as Paul, this is recorded in the NT, and it’s Saul. He was a Herodian educated and wealthy Jew who had Roman citizenship which was granted to the herodians by the Roman emperor during the occupancy. there has been archeological discoveries concerning him. A Catholic convert From Protestantism published the article on these recent discoveries. You may find it interesting

    Here’s his website , he posted it a year ago.

    http://taylormarshall.com/

  • You are very welcome sister Maureen.

  • susan

    Do you enjoy reading history? I encourage you to read the early church Fathers. There are articles on this website. One book that I think has a lot of good information “Rediscover Catholicism” by Matthew Kelly. Don’t let the title scare you. Consider it to be a key to a further discussion.

    Well, when we use “I think” something means this or means that….there are resources we can look at that teach us what the early church Father’s (those closest to the Apostles during Jesus’ times) taught. The questions we have today are probably some of the same questions other church members had too. We can see by the letters in the New Testament that there was a back and forth going on. We know Jesus said to eat His flesh and drink His blood. We also know Jesus gave His authority to His disciples to forgive sins. Protestants agree that Jesus said these things. Do you agree that Jesus said this? Why do you think ALL the churches pre-reformation still believe and practice this? They weren’t under the authority of Rome. Doesn’t it seem more likely that we’ve followed Luther into error?

  • Julie

    Hi Walid,

    Your article is now in Spirit Daily today, read by so many people around the world. It will work its way up.

    During the Battle of Lepanto, the pope had just received a copy of the image from Mexico. While praying the rosary he gazed at the image. I am certain he saw the crescent moon as the image of Islam.

    • susan

      That’s wonderful Julie!

      • Julie

        The article is stating the crescent moon was put on later but so far cannot find any reference contradicting the supernatural origin of the crescent moon.

        All I can find is that it was originally silver.

        • susan

          That can’t be true. The crescent has always been on the miracle. 🙂

          • Julie

            I still am trying to find out….the moon was painted silver, but it wore off…still there is an image of it….

          • susan

            Perhaps it will develop a red tinge before the end…

          • Julie

            I am going to contact them at Spirit Daily.

            They admitted the article Walid did was fascinating, but said the crescent moon was painted on…………

          • susan

            What’s their proof?

          • Julie

            No time to contact yet….

      • Julie

        So far can find no article stating the crescent moon was added on. Keep on looking….

  • Michelle Therese

    Something, a statue, picture, etc, only becomes an Idol if and when the person kneeling and praying believes that this material object is a god in and of itself. The passive act of kneeling and praying before the uplifting reminders of holy art is not the same as worshiping.

  • Michelle Therese

    “Upon this Rock I will build My Church.”
    What part of this Bible verse is sooooo hard for so many to understand?? Christ absolutely built a Church. He said so Himself, “…I will build My Church”… and it is vital that we human beings find His Church, the one that He Himself created for us. And no, this “Church” is not some invisible spiritualized “anyone who is Christian is a part of the church” thing, if you keep reading Scripture you discover this Church has a main person in charge, Christ’s Prime Minster of sorts!, and has a clear hierarchy, has priests, has the fulfillment of the Sedar meal, and it also has teaching authority and the authority to discipline Christians. The Bible tells us that the Church is, “…the pillar and foundation of the truth” and is called, “God’s household” and is a place, a physical location in various geographical areas that requires proper conduct when Christians enter this household ~ this is not some modern spiritualized invisible hyperbabble, everything is laid out very clearly in Scripture.

    “…if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.”

  • That is a pseudo scientific comment.

    • dobraNoc

      well,not everyone can be scientist just like you .