Today Major Prophecy Was Fulfilled. The Date August 24th Is Prophetically Significant For Muslims Worldwide Sparking Islam’s Caliphate Empire And Is Why Turkey Today Sent A Massive Land Invasion To Syria

89392491e64939b9ff131d36By Walid Shoebat

What the western media is NOT telling you is that today, August 24th, is the birthday when the Ottomans sparked their takeover of the Middle East at the Battle of Dābiq, defeating the Mamluk Sultanate on August 24th 1516, near the town of Dabiq in Syria. And it is today that began the land invasion of Turkey’s largest intervention in Syria on that same day, Wednesday, August 24th, 2016, exactly 500 years to the day from when the Ottomans began their historic control over the Middle East and no one says anything about this.

Today is “Operation Euphrates Shield”!

Coincident? No. While the West is asleep, the tweets are going all over in Arabic asking why Erdogan chose this date. In the Middle East, this is clearly seen as the neo-Ottoman invasion since the start of the Syrian civil war in 2011.

Behold the Turkish tanks covering the hills entering from Turkey into Syria while Erdogan speaks to the massive Turkish crowds telling them he has accomplishing what he has promised that Syria, Iraq, the Balkans and the Caucasus is now within reach, a speech that no one translated into English.

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Declaring this invasion, Erdogan spoke at his palace to massive crowds saying:

Syria is responsible for the terrorism since it refuses to accept our solutions … When we speak of Syria or the Balkans or the Caucasus, these were part of our [Ottoman] geography from 100 years ago. I believe we will overcome all the obstacles in front of us, which will be the will of AllahTurkey has a massive power and will use it … We are more confident today about our future because since the morning of July the 15th, we are more powerful, we are now in a place that looks more hopeful … Our commitment in achieving the 2023 target, further perçinleşiy after each event we have from coup to terrorism, Turkey will cut off the front foot with the diplomatic games. We will continue to remove, to remove, those who played their games.

At the end he raises his right hand telling people to make the mark of allegiance:

Yet, all what the news media tells us is that this is an offensive on ISIS. The naive reads these headlines and thinks that this is all good.

Is it?

In your wildest dreams. The thief only enters when the watchman slumbers. Few will read this. This is the beginning of what we promised will happen; the ISIS caliphate stepping aside to allow for the greater Islamic caliphate from Turkey to move forward. It is all happening with U.S. aid courtesy of Barrack ben Hussein ben Obama, the greatest aid to Islam in recent history. It all happens while the naive American contemplates his vote between a Jezebel and Trump. The American sleeps because he can only consume a few tid-bits from twitter and Facebook.

The green above is what the SDF controlled after defeating ISIS. The SDF is an alliance of Kurdish, tribal Arab, Assyrian Christians and Armenian Christians united to remove ISIS from Syria. The Jarablus-Azaz corridor will connect the entire northern Syrian sphere to form a Kurdish territory and Erdogan ended it today.

Erdogan has clashed repeatedly with the US over its support of the Kurdish groups inside Syria, and has offered up Turkish-trained and Turkish-backed Nour al-Din al-Zinki Brigade to control the area. Al-Zinki is made up of Islamist terrorist Jihadi fighters allied to Erdogan’s Ottoman dream as an alternative military option instead of the Christians and the Kurds.

The U.S. accepted selling out the SDF and the Kurdish cause. Biden today just sold Syria to Turkey. Another message is sent that the U.S. is pro-Erdogan, and it too, can never be trusted.

Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim (C,R) as US Vice President Joe Biden (C,L) shake hands before their meeting at Cankaya Palace in Ankara, on August 24, 2016. The launch of the operation comes as US Vice President Joe Biden arrived in Ankara to meet Erdogan, with agreeing a unified strategy on Syria set to be a crucial issue. / AFP PHOTO / ADEM ALTANADEM ALTAN/AFP/Getty Images

(The shorter guy is the slick fox, the tall one is as we say in the middle east “he is as tall as a palm tree but has the brains of a goat”. The cunning fox, Turkish prime minister Binali Yildirim, right, greets the rotten US vice-president Joe Biden before their meeting at Cankaya Palace in Ankara

Nour al-Din al-Zenki Movement is an Islamist group involved in the Syrian Civil War and had received U.S.-made BGM-71 TOW anti-tank missiles. These are the fighters recording themselves beheading a Palestinian boy named Abdullah Tayseer Al Issa:

“The rebels have been formed into an operations room alongside Turkish, American, and French officials as well as other officials from coalition countries,” said Yassir al-Youssef, a fighter with the Turkish-backed Islamist Nour al-Din al-Zinki Brigade. “The Americans in practice accept the plan and they are participating in organising the battle. There is international consensus that this needs to be done with air cover from the international coalition.”

The deception continues: “The battle requires immense preparation, and it will be a fierce battle,” said Mustafa Sayjarri, one of the leaders of the Al-Muatasim Brigade, another Turkish-backed militia.

So where do these names (Zinki and al-Muatasim) come from? These are major historic caliphate figures. According to William of Tyre Zinki was “a mighty persecutor of the Christian name and faith,” and Al-Muatasim was one of the warrior-caliphs of Islam. In the Middle East a name tells everything.

So now, these Islamist savages are going to clash with the Kurdish/Christian forces.

No one has matched the battlefield success of the Kurdish militias and Christian militias who defeated ISIS and now control an almost uninterrupted stretch of land along Turkey’s southern border, making this current offensive key to Turkey’s regional goals for their dreamed caliphate.

Instead of the U.S. aiding these, they gave Jarablus to be taken by Turkey, with Islamists rebel forces helping, of course, with full aid by the U.S. As soon as the Syrian Democratic Front (SDF) was victorious over ISIS in Syria, Turkey comes to cash in the victory. Why would the U.S. aid Turkey if the SDF is doing their job in eliminating ISIS?

It is to prevent the establishment of a Kurdish state. Kurdistan is the biblical Medes. We have been stating all along that Media will never rise since Daniel the wise predicted it. The bear (Medo-Persia) will arise, but only on one side (Persia without Media). In other words, Iran will rise without Kurdistan. If the issue of Kurdistan was not prophetically significant, why would Daniel mention it? Kurdistan would have stood against Turkey and the devil knows well that he can use the U.S. ruled by Obama to thwart such an effort.

Naive students ask, how could Erdogan be a valid candidate for Antichrist. Doesn’t Antichrist rule the kings of the earth? Well, Erdogan just controlled your king and got what he wanted.

And the whole thing is a ruse. All ISIS fighters under Erdogan’s forces now are peacefully evacuating their families. The Turkey invasion is a comedy show that came to simply stop the SDF and begin its control of Syria. As you can see in the photo, ISIS left their positions already.

The date August 24th, is no coincident. On September 27, 2014, we stated:

Here, the key to unlock everything ISIS wants is hidden deep in a Turkish vault which we will reveal in one word: Dabiq.

In the tweet above it exclaims: “The Euphrates Shield is correlated with the memory of the Ottoman invasion of Syria at Dabiq”. Dabiq is what it is all about and today’s date (August 24th) its birthday sets the stage preparing the way for their version of Armageddon and the ushering forth of what you feared for centuries: Antichrist.

So what is Dabiq to ISIS and Turkey? Ever wonder why the invasion is called “Operation Euphrates Shield“?

Arabic sources tell us:

“The use of Dabiq by ISIS is symbolic of the major historical event at Dabiq, it is the name of the battle the Ottomans won which paved the way for their occupation of Iraq and the Levant for more than four centuries, as well as being the springboard for the Islamic armies to fight the Rum (Romans/Europeans) in their quest for world domination.”

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The Euphrates is the blood life of Iraq and the Levant which the name packs the entire region. The mention of Dabiq to ISIS and Turkey reveals more than just history, but also eschatology of the near invasion of Egypt for a grand future victory for Erdogan’s ultimate dream to revive the sick man of Europe.

Dabiq is reverting back the clock to when Sultan Selim I (King of the North) of the Ottomans had just pushed back and vanquished the Safavid Persians (The biblical Bear) at the Battle of Chaldiran in 1514—and turned their full might against the Mamluks, who ruled in Syria and Egypt (The biblical kingdom of the south) to complete the Ottoman conquest of the Middle East.

Many fail to connect the dots; the rich and wealthy layers and multiple fulfillments to the wisest of all prophets whom even Christ complimented: Daniel. Christ even addresses Antichrist on the day of his doom when the most powerful nations on earth defeats him:

“You think that you are wiser than Daniel and that no secret can be hidden from you.” (Ezekiel 28:3)

Daniel’s layers foretold it; the battle ended ultimately in the victory of the King of the North, the Ottoman Selim I over Egypt’s King of the South and the conquest of most of the Middle East by the Ottoman Empire was fulfilled which was the end of the Mamluk Sultanate. The Ottoman Empire’s victory in this battle gave it control of the entire region of Syria and later into Egypt.


Dabiq is key to unlocking Daniel when on May 18, 1516 when Al-Ashraf Qansuh al-Ghawri, started from Cairo, Egypt with 20,000 knights to later be killed. To Erdogan, this mimics Al-Sisi’s end. Egypt’s future will mimic this historic and eschatological event and will parallel the Turks invasion of Egypt. After the death of the Mamluk Sultan, the new Sultan, Tuman Bay (King of the South) who finally, at the doorstep of Cairo, faced Selim I who defeated Tuman Bay and hung him at the gate of Cairo.

Dabiq is the whole story and is why ISIS calls its magazine Dabiq dedicating it to the Ottoman victory at Dabiq, their TV station is also called Dabiq dedicating that as well to the Ottoman victory at Dabiq. Even the ISIS flag is an Ottoman insignia (the insignia of Muhammad’s ring) comes from the Turkish Topkapi museum; everything goes back to Dabiq.

Dabiq is why Turkey hates Egypt and is why Erdogan hates Al-Sisi of Egypt.

Dabiq is why Turkey intended to invade Syria last year just as it did in its glory days during Selim I. The top secret operation was uncovered when a secret recording leaked of the highest officials discussing the plan to launch a military aggression on Syria by using ISIS to blow up the tomb of Suleiman Shah who was the grandfather of Osman I, the founder of the Ottoman Empire who was buried in Aleppo near Dabiq. The launched invasion resulted on aggression against the Armenian city of Kessab in which 80 Armenian Christians were massacred as a result. All this while history records that there is no body in the Suleiman Shah grave.

Dabiq is why Erdogan sees himself as Selim I and is why he publicly read an Islamic poem that includes the lines, “the mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets, and the faithful our soldiers” and is why Erdoğan has used public funds to build more than 17,000 mosques while announcing plans to create a super-mosque overlooking Istanbul to celebrate the 560th anniversary of Istanbul’s conquest by the Ottomans. Erdoğan broke ground on a third Bosphorus Bridge linking the Asian and European sides of the city, naming it after the controversial conquering Sultan Selim I the conqueror of Dabiq.

The western mind doesn’t get it, that in the Muslim mind, the needle is stuck on the record in which the Christian crusader (General Allenby) took Jerusalem and the Christians finally brought an end to the Muslim Ottoman Caliphate in 1924. The song continues from there and the record will continue to play as soon as the electric surge is back until the needle comes to a screeching halt when Christ comes.

Dabiq is in the Hadith ISIS always recites:

“The Final Hour (of history) will not be established until the Romans land at either al-A’maq or at Dabiq (two places along the current Syria/ Turkey border). Then an army from al-Madinah of the best people on the earth at that time will leave for them.”

Dabiq is the spark of Muslim prophecy. The “Hour of Resurrection” (in the view of ISIS and the Ottomans) cannot come until the ‘Romans’ (Christian Westerners) land forces in Dabiq, an area near Aleppo in northwestern Syria. According to Muslim eschatology as recounted in Dabiq, this sets up the great battle, or “Final Confrontation” of what they term “Al-Malhama Al-Kubra” (meaning The Great Battle) in which Muslim forces will triumph in the end against the Romans (Europeans and Americans).

Dabiq is why Turkey supports all Jihadists in order to revive their neo-Ottoman dream and heal that old mortal wound to revive the sick/dead man of Europe..

Entering the mind of your enemy is key not only to defeat him, but to understand how they manipulate the masses to follow them. Instead, the U.S. joined the enemies of Christ.

The story of Dabiq ends in Syria as Isaiah 17 predicted and the Muslims are finally crushed in Damascus. We already see the beginning signs for the destruction of Damascus when we witness the embryo forming with the influx of refugees from Syria to Jordan as predicted by the prophet Amos:

I will break also the bar of Damascus, and cut off the inhabitant from the plain of Aven, and him that holdeth the sceptre from the house of Eden: and the people of Syria shall go into captivity unto Kir, saith the LORD.” (Amos 1:5)

Damascus: Key city in End Times Prophecy

Damascus: Key city in End Times Prophecy

Aven is Damascus today and Damascus is also literally mentioned here by name. Besides Lebanon, Syrians are leaving by the droves into Jordan and precisely “unto Kir” which is Kir-Moab (Isaiah 15:1). Today that region is called Kerak (see Gesenius Lexicon).

UNHCR Map showing Syrian Refugee Influx

UNHCR Map showing Syrian Refugee Influx

UNHCR Map of Jordan Showing Syrian Refugee Influx into Jordan

UNHCR Map of Jordan Showing Syrian Refugee Influx into Jordan

The song begins from Dabiq ends in Dabiq and the record will continue playing until the needle comes to a screeching halt when Kingdom comes.


  • susan

    Well, i got shivers just reading the first few paragraphs. Thanks for the update.

    • We stay awake to ensure you can keep your oil lamp filled.

      • Grandmere

        This topic came up at the Think Tank. I just knew you were gonna write about it.

        • Which think tank?

          • Grandmere

            The one we have going of regulars here. We read and share stories and newspaper articles. Sometimes we even beat you by a couple of days. You know who we are. The usual suspects. LOL

  • The Sykes-Picot has finally died. The Christians are gong to be slaughtered en massed.

    • AnthonyM


      • You rang?

        • AnthonyM

          I’m having a hard time keeping up with all the changes, is all.

          • Ha ha…Sorry about that.

          • I changed my icon again. Found a mosaic of St. Pius V that I liked. Now I don’t have to look like “Father Frost.”

          • susan

            Lol. My screen is extremely small and to me you looked like Santa but I decided not to say anything. 😉

    • Spaniard

      Trevor, Jpost ran a brief story today about USAF supporting Turkey. Maybe you can share it with us. My tech abilities are ‘lacking’ ; )

  • We stay awake so that you remember: keep oil in your lamps 🙂

    • Andre

      This was again another message that you will not hear on church i guarantee that :P! Another great article, When i am hungry i come 2 i can get enough i come here everyday to eat and the food is great here, its always funny 2 see how brother walid gets slanderd and al the name calling, even from christians ,even on the comment section its amazing, may god give you a great reward for you work, to always keep us ready and informed and keeping oil on our lamps God Bless

    • Doc

      So what’s next? Will Erdogan’s next move depend on who is elected president of the US? Or is he likely to control either one? What should we as believers do except wait, watch, and pray?

  • rodolfo

    Another piece of the puzzle in place and another dot connected. Thank you Mr.Walid.

  • Kevin Nicholson

    “And you know what is now restraining him, so that he will be revealed at the proper time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but the one who now restrains it will continue until he is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of His mouth and abolish by the majesty of His arrival.… 2 Thessalonians 2:6-8.

    Walid, please explain “the one who now restrains it”.

    Godspeed and thank-you for your teaching ministry.

    • “For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.”

      There are outlandish theories that state the “restrainer” is God the Holy Spirit. This would be a mad interpretation which would presume God is taken out of the way. This is nonsense.

      Also, keep in mind that the Antichrist kingdom comes on the world twice after the church is established. One beast out of the sea (7 Islamic caliphates) and another out of the earth (after the first beast was buried) which is in end-times. This is a long time period here.

      There are several theories regarding this verse you bring. But what we need to understand is that during the church era, initially when Paul wrote “For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work” This is the evil spirit of Antichrist which was already at work (Arianism, which denies the Trinity) was already there, but had no control or power to overcome the church. Then Paul writes: “but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.”

      The would demand that a certain event would force the earthly figure of the church be taken out of the way.

      To the orthodox, the Byzantine emperor, acting as the “restrainer” throughout church history countered the Antichrist’s ethos and held back the Antichrist’s reign. However, in 1453, the Eastern Roman Empire fell, and, therefore, there was no “restrainer”, and the Antichrist should have reigned.

      Now we have also Sykes Picot held the Ottomans (after they fell), the West controlled Turkey after its fall. This control will be lifted up and the ones that held this beast from reviving is removed out of the way. This is what we see happening now. The Antichrist is within sight.

      • Kevin Nicholson

        Excellent Walid. That was the intended purpose of the question.

        Looking forward to your expansion on this subject.

        Peace and Victory in Christ our Lord indeed.

        • The Sykes-Picot is a favorite subject of mine. Look up “Border of Blood” if you have access to scholar journals.

      • racarrera

        Chef, from the Russian pov, the House of Romanov was the last restraint. I submit the first holocaust occurring immediately after, with the Armenians, then the Pontic and Assyrian disasters, and so on.

        • Agree. 1917, from the ROC’s perspective, was the signal of the Last Day.

    • Lay_monk

      The Haydock Bible first published in 1859 gives the following commentary:

      Ver. 7. The mystery of iniquity already worketh,[8] or is now wrought, by the precursors of antichrist; i.e. by infidels and heretics. For, as St. John says, there are many antichrists, precursors to the great antichrist, and enemies of Christ. (1 John chap. ii.) (Witham) — That he who now holdeth, do hold. That is, let each one remain in the faith which he has received of us, and let him not permit himself to be deceived by any discourse, as coming from us. Or rather, let those who shall then be in the world keep their faith, remaining firm in their belief and attachment to the Church of Christ, until antichrist, that man of iniquity, shall be taken away. (Calmet) — According to others, it is an admonition to the faithful not to be beguiled during this day of trial by such, as under the garb of religion, and with an ostentatious parade of zeal for the holy Scriptures, seek to deceive them. When the mystery of sin shall be revealed, then shall we plainly discover that apostacy from the Catholic Church is the obvious and certain road to a dereliction of all religious principle; yes, to antichristianism and to atheism. (Haydock)

    • Juan

      The katekhon or restrainer only can be the Russian Tsar or the Papacy. I think nothing really good in spiritual terms happened since 1917.

      • Here is an excellent video discussing from the Russian Orthodox persepctive on how 1917 was the beginning of the Last Day.

        Very informative and shed further lights on the Sykes-Picot. The original Sykes-Picot plan had Russia, under the Tsar, take Istanbul while the British and French carve up the Middle East. It’s a shame because had the Tsar never fallen to the Bolshevik Revolution, the Hagia Sophia would have surely returned to the Orthodox. The Hagia Sophia is to Orthodox as the Vatican is to Catholics.

        One day, I hope to see this situation remedied as 2017 will be the 100th year of the fall of the Tsar.

        • Juan

          Thanks, I will see the video for sure.

  • Catbr

    Erdogan’s speeches remind me of the old Hitler speeches when he was yelling and getting the massive crowds all excited. (My old German neighbor, deceased years ago, admitted that what went on in Germany (he was from Germany and was a young man during the 2nd ww) was all wrong. He sadly said he seen a Jewish shopkeeper friend dragged out into the street and shot by the Nazis. My late husband thought that our neighbor might have been part of the German army or whatever, as he used to fly planes at the time. However his wife (also from Germany) thought that what Hitler proposed was all good, getting people back to work and other good things. I said, Are you nuts. This just illustrates how easy it is for these insane leaders to sway the people.) Arrogant demons, the pair of them. Is there also a possibility that Erdogan is on drugs, as I’ve read that Hitler was on drugs (and other demented leaders from the past were junkies, like Jim Jones)?

    • mspip

      that could make one wonder….. there are people that are gullible and would believe such things.(have made mistakes myself) we must watch closely and be careful of what we see. doesn’t always be what it is.

  • Marcos Filipe Guerra

    The moment I saw that piece of news I Wondered why Mr. Shoebat hasn’t posted anything about it. Now it all makes sense. You were making a thicker soup for dinner. The second thing I thought was “there goes the white horse of apocalipse.”. Good job Mr. Shoebat! Great article.

    • Yep, thicker soup.

      • Nan

        It goes better with the falafel.

  • Juan

    People are unaware of this and believe the tales of the media. The USA are pro-muslim and Antichristian not only with Muslim Barack Hussein Obama but also with Bill Clinton, when they bombed Serbia and helped UCK Albanian Muslim terrorist on the Balkans. Some people on the highest positions on the West are preparing this coming Caliphate and may be this people is the same that send protestant missionaries to South America or Russia in order to eradicate apostolic Christianity from the Earth.

    Turkish military is one of the most powerful in the World (only lack of nuclear weapons) and therefore the “moderate rebels” will defeat Kurds and Christian militias.

    It’s curious that when the coup d’etat happened on July 15th Stephan appeared on Turkish CNN calling masses. It’s also curious that, if the coup was organized by CIA in order to put Erdogan out (as this ottoman Antichrist claims) why CIA just didn’t organized Erdogan’s assassination… for example, here in my country (Spain) CIA assassinated president Luis Carrero Blanco, a devout Catholic that was being successful in Spanish nuclear weapons program. Since the 70s Spain is capable of make nuclear weapons but we are NATO vassals and not the head of Spanish speaking World. When the CIA wants to kill somebody they do. Seems to me that freemasons in Washington DC love Erdogan and hate Jesuchrist.

    Spain and Italy would need nuclear weapons (both countries can develop it in short time) for a new Lepanto.

    • filomena seiffert

      I agree with you Juan, USA never was truly Christian and Catholics were very much discriminated. I say protestantism with muslim is destroying what good civilization had. They invaded Brasil also, and many of these “pastors” are CIA agents. As it happened in 1964 the USA was involved in the ousting of the president to create chaos and help the most corrupt trash politicians ever existed over there, take over, they are bringing Goldman sacks into the Brazilian bank system. In Brasil we say; ladrao que rouba ladrao tem cem anos de perdao. Thief who robes other thief has 100 years forgiveness. USA attack on other nations began long ago and its goal is to destroy Russia so it reign over the whole planet.

      • Juan

        Russia and also China fear protestant pastors but also Roman Catholic priests because they are CIA or Western agents, obeying Freemasonry that founded USA and European Union. Since Vatican II Council Roman Catholic Church is masonic globalist agent too. Just look at Karol Wojtyla or Jorge Mario Bergoglio and how the Church is full of bizarre movements and act like a NGO more than like a Church. Roman Catholic Church is being destroyed from inside, not only by Protestants… Spanish/Portuguese speaking countries need to make a Union and close ties with Russia and the Orthodox Church. We are a lot of people but we are passive in all what is happening instead of being active subjects of History.

        • filomena seiffert

          I think it could be because this is near the closure of Revelation, the time Jesus return. He said will I find faith? other passage; many are invited, few are chosen. Other one: narrow is the gate that leads to life. We are nothing against a beast wit weapons of mass destruction. Remember the antichrist blasphemy against God and he fight the saints and he wins until Jesus destroy him with the breath of His mouth.

          • Juan

            It’s possible, sometimes I think in the same way but remember Matthew 24:36, even Jesus didn’t know the day and the hour, therefore as we are alive we need live Christian lifes but also make Christian politics because we are, as Greeks said, zoon politikon (social animals). The Antichrist want that Christians become isolated and living only inside their Faith, waiting for Jesus… but Jesus want that Christians fight for Him and the Church, no matters if is going to come soon or more in the future. Our work as son of the women is to smash Snake’s head. God bless

        • Nan

          The church is the largest provider of charity worldwide. She has provided to the poor, the sick, the homeless, the illiterate, those in need of a trade, etc. from the beginning, not like an NGO.

          • Juan

            Absolutely true but nowadays the pope and lot of priests speak in humanist way and wash Muslims feet, arguing anthropocentric statements. The Church isn’t only humanitarian assistance but also transcendence, spirituality, moral, sacraments, etc. Pope Francis talks like a hippy.

    • Catholics settled in America long before the stupid Puritans came and brought with them their extreme prejudices against the Catholics.

      It’s my firm hope that America will return to her Catholic roots.

      • Juan

        To restore the Union between Roman and Orthodox is also a priority.

    • Kamau41

      Catholicism roots runs deep in the Declaration of Independence/America. Review these two articles below.

      • Juan

        I consider the USA a Christian country but Freemasonry took part on its foundation. Anyway the Declaration of Independence has wise statements based on Natural Law that is God Will…even John Locke have not only mistakes but also wise thoughts in his works.

        The social contract theory as Jefferson express it is similar to Bellarmine’s one but what is imposed in USA and the West isn’t Bellarmine’s version but Jean Jacques Rousseau one.

        Calvinism (anti)ethics also played a very important role on USA’s degeneration as a country, building a society based only on money and usury (usury is a sin condemned by churches with apostolic succession) and expanding it over the World.

        It’s possible to build a Christian Republic but a Monarchy of Divine right combined with a Parliament that also reflects the divine right of men and women is better and it’s also essential a Church with apostolic succession that could assure the appropriate moral of the people trough their access to the sacraments. A Republic managed by Calvinists ends in oligarchy, usury and deviance.

        And if we take the example of France it’s even more clear. French masonic revolution didn’t bring anything good to this country but only the destruction of churches, the massacre of Catholics (Vendee War) and the social chaos, because it’s true that natural law exist and that divine right is for everyone but we need humbleness and the sacraments… if you give divine power to a people that are arrogant and deny apostolic succession and sacraments they will sure vote for Hitler, Erdogan or any puppet of the Federal Reserve.

  • AnthonyM

    Quite an event, very historic. and tThe many links in your article point to even more information and research.

  • Grandmere

    I was reading about Dabiq today and it struck me how history repeats itself, just like you said.

  • Grandmere

    Iran will nuke Mecca.

    • Juan

      I don’t think so. Iran will join an alliance with Turkey.

      • Grandmere

        That doesn’t mean they wont bomb Mecca. They despise the House of Saud.

        • Juan

          At the end of the day all them are Mohammedans.

          • Grandmere is right, old grudge don’t die in the Middle East. Turkey will also turn against Saudi Arabia. Look up the House of Saud and British conspiracy to see why.

          • Grandmere

            Sunni vs Shia. Ever heard of that? They have been at each other’s throats for hundreds of years.

      • Kamau41

        Juan, Iran will eventually nuke Mecca. Don’t argue with someone has been studying this stuff for awhile.

        • Juan

          I know the issue not only by books but also by real life experience with this people. I am not a boy and I know the issue. Iran will put out the House of Saud but will not nuke Mecca despite YouTube videos. Turkey will use Sufi tariqas to close ties with Iran and Shia World. Anglo-Saxon World will not control anymore Middle East, the Neo-ottomans will do. Russia will not control anymore Central Asia, Turkey and Iran alliance will do. The Great Game is over, Turkey wins. London cannot pass the bag, even Freemasonry and the Duke of Edinburgh need to consider an agreement with Russia and a real development of South America. Multipolar World with Sovereign States under Jesuchrist or Global Caliphate… London have to choose.

          • Grandmere

            Check out Najaf and Karbala. Holiest to Shia. They have been refused entry to Mecca for the hadjj. Revenge is on the way.

          • Juan

            Iranians go to hajj (Mecca Pilgrimage) just past year stampede caused discussion about Iranian quota of people and Iran cancelled pilgrimage. The West cannot control anymore the Middle East, they are not France or Argentina, Catholic nations controlled by Freemasonry (conservative for Germanic and revolutionary for Latin and slavics). Turkish and Persians aren’t Hutus and Tootsies. What do you need to realize their capacity to make their own politics?

          • Grandmere

            I know very well that they are controlling their politics by bringing in the Caliphate. There is no need to get upset. I am simply agreeing with Walid Shoebat that Iran will nuke Mecca. You are free to disagree with him if you so desire.

          • Ratliff

            The prophecies backing Walid’s assertions are awfully clear, too. Elam…

  • Spaniard

    Jerusalem Post reported US F-16 and A-10 Warthogs supporting Turkey and Syrian rebels in the assault. The first incursion into Syrian territory by the US. Another great support of islamic aggression by the US Commander in Chief. Sorry Trevor, my technological cut and paste is limited, maybe a little help if so inclined.

  • 1Bobby8

    Will America change its course if Trump is elected? I hope so. Thank you Mr. Shoebat for this very important article and keeping us informed.

  • Kamau41

    A very prophetic fulfillment indeed, while most Americans remain asleep except for those who have been remaining on the Shoebat’s ship. It’s all about the Dabiq….Now, the stage is set for the future battle. Another very timely and important article detailing what is happening today. Thank you again Chef for helping us to always remain awake.

  • DANTEcrossingtheRiverStyx

    Speculative observations.
    By my calculations we are in a Jubilee year which will end on October second or third of this year.
    In the Jubilee year of 1917 to 1918 General Allenby took Jerusalem.
    In the Jubilee year of 1966 to 1967 Israel captured Jerusalem.
    In the Jubilee year of 2015 to 2016 we have:
    The possible revival of Nationalism: examples being Brexit and Trumpism.
    The possible revival of the Ottoman empire:July 15 Erdogan consolidates power; August 24th Erdogan invades Syria.
    Gentleman start your engines!

  • DANTEcrossingtheRiverStyx

    Keep posting. It gets better and avoid words that may trigger Disqus like he$$

  • DANTEcrossingtheRiverStyx

    So is this like in 1936 when Hitler reoccupies the Rhineland?

  • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

    Not too surprised at the date, i’m sure it wasn’t shocking to Middle Eastern peoples either even less.

    However, i’m holding back judgement on this for a moment

  • filomena seiffert

    It is the second beast USA, helping to revive the first beast to heal its wound. My heart is broken. When i think the many atrocities in storage for Christians and muslim too, my heart shrinks . O Lord, have mercy, shorten the dreadful hour.

  • filomena seiffert

    The west knew all the way, this is what USA want so they can pass the oil pipe trough Syria to Europe with the intent to break Russia.

  • If I speculate and guess its “listen Italy, what happened in Syria will bring an earthquake in Rome”. In the future Islam intends to invade Rome. Syria was the first to be invaded by Islam and Rome was where Islam failed.

    • Lay_monk

      Napoleon Bonaparte believed he’d conquered Rome at the height of his military supremacy, only to find in the end it was Rome (Christ through Peter) who conquered him:

      “Napoleon was victorious over Bülow and Wellington until seven o’clock in the evening, but the arrival of 30,000 Prussians, under Blücher, resulted in the emperor’s defeat. He abdicated in favour of his son, set out for Rochefort, and claimed the hospitality of England. England declared him the prisoner of the Coalition and, in spite of his protests, had him taken to the Island of St. Helena. There he remained until his death, strictly watched by Hudson Lowe, and dictated to General Montholon, Gourgaud, and Bertrand those “Mémoires” which entitle him to a place among the great writers. Las Casas, at the same time, wrote day by day, the “Mémorial de Sainte Hélène”, a journal of the emperor’s conversations. In the first of his captivity, Napoleon complained to Montholon of having no chaplain. “It would rest my soul to hear Mass”, he said. Pius VII petitioned England to accede to Napoleon’s wish, and the Abbé Vignali became his chaplain. On 20 April, 1821, Napoleon said to him: “I was born in the Catholic religion. I wish to fulfil the duties it imposes, and receive the succour it administers.” To Montholon he affirmed his belief in God, read aloud the Old Testament, the Gospels, and the acts of the Apostles. He spoke of Pius VII as “an old man full of tolerance and light”. “Fatal circumstances,” he added “embroiled our cabinets. I regret it exceedingly.””

      • Juan

        Nice story about Napoleon. I think that will arrive the time when some Anglo-Saxon freemasons will regret about French revolution, destruction of Spanish Empire and Russian revolution. I hope that London and Washington DC will understand that France, Spain or Russia are their brothers and not Turkey and Muslims.

        I think UK will regret also about helping Ottomans in Crimea War and Russian-Turkish War on XIXth century. But nowadays they still believe that can control the situation… they are wrong.

        • Lay_monk

          Every proud person and nation, no matter who they are or how powerful they seem, eventually learn:

          God Bless

          • Juan

            You are absolutely right brother, indeed I think Spanish Empire was destroyed because Spaniard arrogance. God cuts off the proud and arrogant and just because this I am sure He will cuts off Erdogan and Neo-ottomans. They don’t know Jesus humbleness. Just said the Anglo-Saxon because they are so powerful now and their decisions can make a big difference in future. I am neither nationalist nor racist and hope work together with Anglo-Saxon brothers for the best for Christendom.

            God Bless

          • Lay_monk

            Anyone who has studied the Old Testament objectively can only conclude that God’s people as ‘nations’ rise and fall depending upon their faithfulness to Him and His law.

            Ungodly nations/empires who have rejected God are used to chastise those nations who claim Him, whether that be the ancient Egyptians enslaving the Jews or the Ottoman’s conquering swaths of Europe.

            I don’t believe a “strong” Catholic nation has ever fallen, only a “sliding” one has. The Ottoman’s didn’t triumph over Catholic Christendom, masonic secularism did i.e. the enemy within.

            Every evil coming upon us today is coming upon us because we’ve turned from Christ and truth. If we were respecting natural law and rejecting fornication and the pill, our nations wouldn’t be flooded by immigrants. If homosexuality was a death penalty crime, it’d be impossible for a homosexual mafia to congregate and infiltrate our institutions on mass. If we honoured the vows of marriage “till death do us part” we wouldn’t have so many children being raised and damaged by broken homes. The list goes on…

            God’s providence is always at work though, and He always finds a way to transform the evils of men into a greater good.

            The Church will emerge victorious, no matter how dire the situation appears at this time or how bad it gets. The fact her dogmas remain intact is evidence of that. The Catholic Church to this day maintains sodomy is a sin that cries to heaven for vengeance and that artificial birth control is a grave violation of natural law (doctrinally). The gates of hell will not prevail!

            Until our disobedience ends, both as Christian’s and as nations, our woes won’t end. Like Napoleon before us, God is in the process of “cutting us down” so that we might repent and return to Him in grace and obedience.

          • Juan

            Erdogan is nowadays Nebuchadnezzar…;-)

          • Lay_monk

            Exactly! 🙂

            This remains an unpopular and uncomfortable truth, but it’s still the truth nonetheless.

    • Nan

      And where Islam will continue to fail.

  • Hope soon? No. Way down the road? Yes.

  • There you are Ozi. I was about to leave the 99 sheep to look for you. Thought you got lost. Good to see you back.

    • Ozibarb

      I’m still here. I just get so filled up on your falofels, that I can’t find the energy to type. lol. just kidding. (not about the food, it’s great)

  • 100th year of 1923 Lausanne Treaty.

    Very important.

  • AnthonyM

    Yes, it is definitely a staged show. US Vice President Joe Biden said Wednesday during a joint press conference with Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim in Ankara that Syrian Kurdish forces will lose US support if they don’t retreat to the east bank of the Euphrates River. Erdogan got everything he asked for.
    ISIS has left the city of Jarablus without a fight, and Turkey’s invasion force rolls right in and captures Jarablus. Like Walid said, the Caliphate wanna-be is making way for the real Caliphate (Turkey). The US has chosen the wrong side under Obama.
    And just for diversion, Iranian speedboats run simulated high speed attacks on a US Destroyer. The US is manages to squeak out that they broke laws and acted in an unprofessional manner. Now that’s an embarrassing response.

    • What Biden has done is reduce America in the eyes of the Muslim world. That’s to be expected. Can’t wait for Mr Trump to win so we can pursue an isolationist policy.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Wow – I need to write this date down on my ‘perpetual’ calendar so that I don’t forget it. These events occurring on the same date is simply amazing. Great article as always.

  • Grandmere

    And Saudi Arabia has denied access to the hadjj for Iranians.

  • richinnameonly

    Sure he does, and the U.S. electorate has been so prepped by the left that he was elected twice. People need to wake up, get their heads out of the mainstream media and all other liberal institutions, and get a Bible prophecy lesson.

  • Juan

    When I saw Vladimir Putin shaking hands with Erdogan I felt really bad but when Putin met May pretty soon (one or two days after) I had a little and also sceptical hope. I think the queen needs to take part in all this, protect Christianity in UK and also give some oxygen to Russia, that is highly menaced by NATO. I am Spaniard but my family is partially gibraltarian, therefore I see also as so natural British cooperation with Spaniards and Italians. Why not a Gibraltarian Christian Empire?? :-)))

  • Kamau41

    No it wasn’t Illinois. We see your comment below. Sometimes it takes awhile to go thru, especially if you are new.

  • Lay_monk


    For your reference: It was the following talk given by a Catholic priest about the French Revolution being a precursor to the End Times that alerted me to this:

    God’s best to you.

  • Juan

    I suggest to Christians in India to cooperate with Sikhs, protecting from possible Hinduism as state sponsored religion but mainly against Muslim offensive and coming Caliphate.

  • I love seeing date setter come in the comment section and establish dates for when the Rapture comes. So many have tried and failed. Would you be right or a fool? Look forward to those dates. Thanks.

    • Advice a wise and he will _______ and advice a fool and he will ________

      Your quiz for the day.

      • Advise the wise and he will love you. Advise a fool and he will hate you.

        • A+ with a smily.

          • But grasshoppers make excellent fishing baits like crickets.

  • filomena seiffert

    Just remember Jesus said the Kingdom was taking from Israel and giving to other people. It did happened when the Temple was destroyed by the Romans and Christianity spread among the Gentiles. Lets note that the Kingdom was given to the Gentiles with its head quart in Rome, the oppressor of Israel at the time Jesus pronounced this sentence

  • OrthodoxChristianAmerican


    • Putin’s a Grand Master in chess.

      • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

        Yep, him and a few others

  • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

    Erdogan had the misfortune, in my opinion, to have Gulen turn on him, among others, and they almost got him in the latest coup attempt. He is as a result turning against the West, which reduces pressure on Russia.

    Russia looks quite rationally to it’s own interests, the lives and safety and well being of it’s citizens. It cannot be expected to do the good that others should be doing, only the good that it can and must do for itself. This is why Russia always has good relations with whoever is in charge in Persia, for example.

    • Nan

      False flag. That coup attempt was created so he could purge.

  • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

    Antichrist could well be a Jew in ethnicity, while an apostate to Islam from another faith, or a descendant of someone like that.

  • mspip

    that could happen…. wouldn’t be the first time that we got fooled.

  • You’re welcome brother ONeil

  • Nan

    Ever heard of St. Augustine, FL? Founded in 1565 by Catholics as a Spanish colony, so no, the Puritans weren’t here first. Note also that the reason Maryland was founded was that Catholics weren’t allowed in the other colonies. Discrimination flowed from the protestants to the Catholics. When protestants stand with Muslims against Catholics, how are they not the enemy?

    • Maryland proved that Catholics and the others could live together peaceably. It wasn’t until the respected family of Carroll were removed from power that the Catholics were driven out.

    • Georgeorwell

      Yep and they celebrated the first thanksgiving in 1565. It was celebrated with a Mass and a feast.

  • No thanks. I’d stick with becoming Catholic, the real Messaniac Jew than your brand.

  • The Puritans saw themselves as the “New Israel.” They brought on the persecution upon themselves. They were the most intolerant sect of Christianity. The Salem Witch Trial made a mockery of Christianity and is the stuff of legend in New England, where I grew up during my formative years.

    In fact, I would dare to equate the Puritans as the Saudi’s Wahhabism, the most intolerant sect of Islam who beheads even other Muslims. The Puritans separated themselves from the Church of England because they, as being the New Israel, saw the British not fulfilling the Abraham covenant, and it was them who brought with them the British-Israelism heresy, and from the Puritans spawned a vile heresy, Mormonism.

    • Georgeorwell

      And yet Catholics to this day are lumped in with them for their sins, especially witch burning, which the Church never practiced.

      • I know, man. History is the silent witness to the truth.

  • Grandmere

    Trevor is not talking about Plymouth Rock. Look to the south and study history.

  • Grandmere

    I have a question for you. Why are you here? If you believe these things, are you here to convert us to your interpretation? That won’t work here. You are absolutely wasting your time.

    • Ratliff

      You wonder why I go silent? The anger and self-righteousness these guys bring here is too much.

      • Grandmere

        I get it. We sure do need your help here, though. God bless you and your son. XO

        • Ratliff

          Well, I’m in the ring this morning.

          • Grandmere

            I have my skillet oiled up for some fried Kod. He doesn’t know that trolling works both ways.

      • racarrera

        View it as comic relief, dear brother. Otherwise you’ll end up heaving from all the bike they’ll try to shove down your throat

  • susan

    “I’ve been studying them for the last 18 years.”

    And you’ll still be studying them when Jesus returns…probably when you least expect it.

    Please check in when the dates prove to be false. We don’t hold a grudge. Most of us have been somewhere around where you are now. 😉

  • Georgeorwell

    This is why Hillary will win. Satan is unleashed and he will not be denied. Without the US as the financiers and shock troops of the global anti-logos the whole apparatus falls apart. If the US turns against this development in force it would be crushed overnight and Satan knows this. We can only hope the might of this nation was allowed for a purpose other than evil in the end times. Its people certainly do not support this and have been nullified by the oligarchical overthrow of the order.

  • BC

    Be as wise as serpents

  • The fact that you kept using “YHWH” is a clear indication that you are part of the Hebrew Root/Messianic Jew/Scared Name movement, following the likes of Perry Stone and et al.

    ” I’m non-denominational, I don’t attend ANY church or synagogue.”

    How many times have I read this before? Too many time.

    ” I understand the Word through the Holy Spirit, exclusively.”

    That is major red flag. So that mean that Christ failed in His mission to establish His Church until kodster showed up and poof! You got it all figured out.

    “But I do understand the Word from the perspective of Who wrote it, and
    for whom it was directed to, which were the Jews, not Gentiles.”

    So, you have become the Lord’s counselor because you have searched the unsearchable depth of God’s mind which is eternal and we mere mortal are beholden to your awesome ability to see God’s mind. Outstanding! All along, we poor banished children of Eve, have been waiting all along for you!

    “I also understand that Matthew 24 was directed to the Jews, and not the
    Gentiles, which means that whatever is in there, is for the Jews, during
    the Great Tribulation, and NOT the Gentiles.”

    And the first generation of believers were both Jews and Gentiles or did you completely skip over the Book of Acts? Alas, you completely forgot that the Siege of Jerusalem, 67-70AD, was prophesied by Jesus Christ Himself, and the Christians, remembering the words of Christ, fled from Jerusalem when the Roman’s X Legion, made up of nationalities of eastern nations, placed Jerusalem under siege. This can be verified by consulting the works of Josephus.

    ” The Great Tribulation should truly be called ‘Jacob’s Trouble’, since
    it is for the Jews, not Gentiles, to be brought back into the Houses of
    Judah and Israel.”

    Know what? You completely skipped over Revelation where it made clear that those being persecuted by the Antichrist were Christians who held fast to the testimony of Jesus Christ ever since Stephen the first martyr of Christ died for the Faith and continue on to this day. The 21 Coptic Christians were martyred for their Faith in Christ. Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants are being martyred for their Faith in Christ, and all you want to do is squawk about the Jews?

    ” If you’re a TRUE believer in Yeshua, then you’re ALREADY in the House of Israel, and saved from what is coming upon the earth”

    I am a true believer in JESUS. I believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God, promised from the Old Testaments who will come again to judge the living and the dead, as the Creed states, and there will be no end to His kingdom.

    What is truly tragic is you are basically confirming a comment I have made earlier: God is leaving the gate open for those who seeks to have their ears tickled leave the apostolic Faith, as you have done, and allowing those who desire to seek the Truth through the gate. When He shuts the gate, ain’t nobody getting through, bub.

    “But alas, MOST people do not recognize the above. Some of us have been
    given the wisdom to understand the Word’s many layers. Most have not,
    thinking that they are wise, but are truly fools. We shall see very
    soon who is correct, since Feast of Trumpets is being observed next
    weekend. Hope your lamp is full and trimmed.”

    Alas, MOST people do not recognize that they are being deceived. You are nothing more than a bitter former Catholic who drank from the poison chalice of Hisslop since you falsely accuse the Catholic Church of being built on Ra, a god that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit utterly defeated in the Book of Exodus. Second, the fact that there has been and continue to be Jews coming into the Catholic and Orthodox Churches because they immediately recognizes the Jewish origin of the Mass clearly is an indication that the Catholic Church never abandoned their Jewish identity.

    You are just fooling yourself. You believe that because you have found the key to understanding God through the Old Testament laws, you have it all figured out, and have everything all packed up and ready to go. So I’ll repeat what I said earlier, I look forward to those dates and wait for the headlines to blare, “MILLION VANISHES INTO THIN AIR, PANIC ENSUES!”

    In the meantime, I am going to continue to stick with the early Church Fathers who taught and affirmed the teachings of the apostles that persecution and the appearing of the Antichrist MUST TAKE place BEFORE Jesus’ Second Coming. Just from the first three centuries alone, there is plenty of writings that affirms uniformity in that teaching.

    So, take your Darby-inspired pre-tribulation Rapture theology and have fun.

  • You are absolutely welcome. Aren’t you one of the writers for this site?

  • Again, I am going to wait for those dates and we will see.

  • Hmmm…I have seen on some occasions an author with the same initials as yours. Oh well.

  • Ratliff

    Respectfully K, how would you have done that had you been walking this world during the first 300 or so years after the ascension? There WAS no New Testament. Church tradition and teaching was all they had, and if you investigate, you will find that what Orthodox Christianity and Roman Catholicism do are way closer to what the Apostles themselves practiced and passed on than messianic Judaism or Protestantism practice now. It’s easy to investigate. Do a little research (and not some hokey internet site). I ought to know; I grew up Baptist, and dabbled in a Messianic congregation later on. Now I am Orthodox Christian, taking part in a Liturgy that is from the 4th century. Our beliefs are virtually unchanged, handed down from the Apostles.

  • tallorder

    Because to become a Christian is to cease to be a Jew. The term “Jew” in the New Testament changes its meaning from one of the people of the promise–the people who salvation comes from–to a Semite who rejects Christ.

    This is how St. John is able to say in John 7:13 “Yet no man spoke openly of him, for fear of the Jews”, and in John 19:38, “And after these things, Joseph of Arimathea (because he was a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews) besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus. And Pilate gave leave.”, and in John 20:19 “….where the disciples were gathered together, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and said to them: Peace be to you…”

    Clearly, the Apostles were ethnic Jews–so why make it a point to say that they [ethnic Jews] ran or hid for “fear of the Jews”? The takeaway point here is that Jew become synonymous with murderers of the Son of God, with antichrist (1 John 2:22 — He who says Jesus is not the Son has not the Father), and as St. Paul tells us, God’s wrath has come upon them until the end.

    (1 Thess 2:14-16) “the Jews, [15] Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and the prophets, and have persecuted us, and please not God, and are adversaries to all men;

    [16] Prohibiting us to speak to the Gentiles, that they may be saved, to fill up their sins always: for the wrath of God is come upon them to the end.”

    This is not an anti-Semitic issue. Jew is a theological construct–one who has chosen revolution, insurrection, and rebellion instead of the Son of God or Logos; personified in their rejection of Jesus and choosing the insurrectionist, revolutionary Barabbas.

    In Christ, there is no Jew nor Gentile, and those who are of faith are the true children of Abraham (Galatians 3:8), and in the believers of Christ [the Church; the Israel of God (Galatians 6:16)] shall the nations be blessed.

    • I bow to you. Impressive argument and better than I could muster.

      • Ratliff

        I would argue that God told Abraham that he would make him a great nation, not a great religion.
        They are still Jews, just believing ones.
        “…to the Jew first, and also the Greek.”

        • And what do you suppose the Church is?

          • Ratliff

            Not their replacement.

          • Peter had the correct answer.

            And do not forget that in Christ, there are neither Jews or Gentiles, freedmen or slaves, for Christ is all in all.

            The Church is actually a continuance of Israel. That is a point that many do not understand. The Mass is perfect evidence of it. The veneration of icons, the prayer for departed souls, all of those are rooted in ancient Israel.

            The priestly garment that cardinals, bishops, and clergy wear during Mass is a continuance and throwback to the ancient temple service. The liturgy is rooted in Judaism.

            As I said to another poster, there has been and continue to be Jews coming in to Catholic and Orthodox Churches because of the recognition of the Jewish origin of the Mass.

            Mainline Protestants and Evangelical Protestants are the ones who jettisoned the use of Mass, liturgy, and believing in the Real Presence of Eucharist. The Hebrew Root Movement/Messianic Congregation/Sacred Name are those who insist on using the modern Hebrew language, absolutely detest the use of Greek Bible – which Rome and Constantinople have used since time immemorial – and many within deny the Trinity.

            The poster above made it clear he is part of the congregation of people who depend on his own interpretation as well as blending the Hebrew Root Movement, et al, to prove that Rome departed from the Jewish root of the Faith. Nothing could be further from the truth. The more I continue to attend Mass, the more I cannot shake the conviction that the Mass is heavily rooted in Old Testament practice.

          • Ratliff

            I agree wholeheartedly with all of that. Not sure we are referring to the same post at this point. Gotta go make a dumb TV show. Later…

          • Because you are converting to Orthodox, here is an excellent discourse on the Orthodox’s understanding of “People of God.”


  • Ratliff

    Of course they are; that is why there is a schism. But then, “Protestantism is the egg which Rome laid,” (Timothy Ware, The Orthodox Church). So were does that leave you?

    Roman Catholicism and Orthodox Christianity have FAR more in common than either have with Protestantism, and they are both much, much closer to the practices of the original Apostles.

    Where does that leave you?

  • I was quoting the original poster.

    The Scriptures strongly encourages regular gathering of believers at church in order to be exhorted, strengthened, disciplined, and to grow.

    You should be asking that question to the original poster, not me.

  • Excuse me, the correct quote is:

    “All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work, ” (2 Timothy 3:16-17).

    The entire quote from Romans 1:16 is, “For I am not ashamed of
    the gospel. For it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that
    believeth, to the Jew first, and to the Greek,” (Romans 1:16).

    Your point being…? You aren’t telling me anything new or something I don’t already know.

  • susan

    That’s just it. You WILL be here unless of course you die beforehand. You’ve built your own foundation on sand.

    • Grandmere

      We have two here. Kodster and Bates. Sounds like a law firm out of Cape Cod.

      • susan

        lol. Indeed it does! 😀

  • Grandmere

    It’s your buddy Kodster who said that. Slow down and read before you launch your missile, William. You are aiming at the wrong target.

  • Grandmere

    I work in the kitchen making the hot sauce. Chef gave me that job a long time ago. It’s fortunate that you swam by because we were thinking of adding fish tacos to the menu.

    • susan

      Please. No bottom feeders. They taste like mud. 😉

    • SNAP!

  • Grandmere

    The only outstretched arm I see is yours, slapping other people around and pointing to that halo over your head.

  • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

    Possibly. The Fathers generally agree that Antichrist will be of the the Tribe of Dan in descent.

  • Clearly you can’t read.

    Where did I ever say I don’t go to church?

  • Never wrote that. Iran will hit Saudi.

  • It’s simple, having the correct teaching makes a world of difference. I have 2,000 years of orthodoxy teachings and materials that would support my thesis whereas kodster is depending on his own natural understanding, his own interpretation, and jettisoned whatever the apostolic teachings taught. What many pre-tribulation rapture worshiping crowd do not know is the theory of the pre-tribulation rapture was never taught by any preachers, teachers, or councils until Nelson Darby developed it in the 1800s.

    Jesus would approve the defense of orthodoxy because He built His Church and made a promise that the gates of hell would not prevail. You want to complain? Go to the complaint department and lodge your complaint.

    No, I will not be gloating, I will be too busy studying the Word, studying engineering, working full time, and commenting on this site while attending Mass and taking classes to prepare for initiation into the Catholic Church.

  • “You say that RC ism & Orthodox Christianity are both much, much closer to the practices of the Apostles! How do you work that one out? ”

    Instead of trying to re-invent the wheel on a comment section why don’t you do us a favor since all the issues you bring has been addressed already. Just look up Shoebat and the issue, find the article, quote and refute instead of wasting all this time re-inventing wheels?

    • Ratliff

      It’s tempting to engage, but…

      When people are slanderous and combative, they aren’t seeking, they’re just posturing and posing.

      • Correct. At times I want to stop and delete all comments that do not relate to topic of article.

        • Lay_monk

          You could “close” the comments section after a certain amount of time to help lighten your load. Say when an article reaches 1 month old for example. Then every article that has been posted for a month or longer has been closed to new comments.

          Deleting all comments not related to the article is another option. That would require approving all messages before they are posted though, which again, would create an awful lot of work.

          I’ve honestly considered volunteering to help you audit your messages. The problem is I’m a lightweight and don’t think I could handle the vile putrid you receive from haters! hahaha

          I’ve got a week stomach when it comes to seeing pictures and videos of that nature. I don’t know how Ted can watch footage about the homosexual lifestyle for research purposes.

          I’m glad he does, because we appreciate the footage he adds to his video posts. I just couldn’t stomach to research areas like that in detail!

          “Sheltered westerner!” I know! hahaha

          • It drives me crazy. Especially all the ones with a bone of contention and as soon as I see “RC” and “RCC” I know where this is going: slander.

            Most are milk-feeders. If one day you discuss icons they bring up prayers to saints and if you cover the issue on prayer to saints they bring up icons. Never learning and always left behind just like their rapture theories. From such I want to stay away. I call them locusts for Jesus.

            As far as the gory stuff, I get sick just as you do. Last night I watched how awful some of these so-called heavy metal Christian songs and it really gave me the creeps. They were making all sorts of demonic sounds. What bothered me was not the creeps as much as the multitudes coming to listen to them.

            While you say you are “sheltered westerner” I want to be “sheltered” PERIOD.

          • Lay_monk

            A day will come when you are sheltered Walid! In a sense, you already are by the grace and protection of the Holy Spirit! Another name for the Holy Spirit is Comforter, as I’m sure you’re aware.

            One of my favourite Bible quotes is:

            Matthew 11:28-30

            28 Come to me, all you that labour, and are burdened, and I will refresh you.

            29 Take up my yoke upon you, and learn of me, because I am meek, and humble of heart: and you shall find rest to your souls.

            30 For my yoke is sweet and my burden light.

            The best time we have to find this comfort in God is in our prayer and spiritual study life. I think it’s essential every Christian takes this time as a daily discipline however brief their time is!

            On the topic of “Christian” heavy metal. I was recently thinking about how Satan has used rock music to lure Christians away and decaffeinate our faith. The world is meant to be conforming to the Church, whereas today the church is conforming to the world. This is a disturbing trend.

            Another astute point I once heard on this topic is that rock music is secular music. It’s NOT Christian. Therefore secular rockers are naturally better at the craft than Christian rockers, and always will be. So it’s silly to think Christian’s pretending to be rockers will ever succeed at attracting faithful Christian’s into their church “for the music.” Guns ‘N Roses rip Hillsong to shreds, at “rock!” 🙂

            I’ll take traditional Latin Catholic chants any day over the demonic crap that fills our airwaves nowadays.

            The more you suffer for our Lord in this life Walid, the greater your reward will be in heaven. Stay the course my friend and reap the rewards in heaven…

            P.S. I stumbled across this story today about Attila the Hun and his encounter with Catholic Rome and found it UPLIFTING:

            In his far-reaching pastoral care of the Universal Church, in the West and in the East, the pope never neglected the domestic interests of the Church at Rome. When Northern Italy had been devastated by Attila, Leo by a personal encounter with the King of the Huns prevented him from marching upon Rome. At the emperor’s wish, Leo, accompanied by the Consul Avienus and the Prefect Trigetius, went in 452 to Upper Italy, and met Attila at Mincio in the vicinity of Mantua, obtaining from him the promise that he would withdraw from Italy and negotiate peace with the emperor. The pope also succeeded in obtaining another great favour for the inhabitants of Rome. When in 455 the city was captured by the Vandals under Genseric, although for a fortnight the town had been plundered, Leo’s intercession obtained a promise that the city should not be injured and that the lives of the inhabitants should be spared. These incidents show the high moral authority enjoyed by the pope, manifested even in temporal affairs. Leo was always on terms of intimacy with the Western Imperial Court.


            An unsuccessful campaign in Persia was followed in 441 by an invasion of the Eastern Roman Empire, the success of which emboldened Attila to invade the West. He passed unhindered through Austria and Germany, across the Rhine into Gaul, plundering and devastating all in his path with a ferocity unparalleled in the records of barbarian invasions and compelling those he overcame to augment his mighty army. In 451 he was met on the Plains of Chalons by the allied Romans under Actius and the Visigoths under Theodoric and Thorismond, who overcame the Huns and averted the peril that menaced Western civilization. Turning then to Italy, Attila, in the spring of 452, laid waste Aquileia and many Lombard cities, and was approaching Rome, whither Valentinian III had fled before him, when he was met near Mantua by an embassy — the most influential member of which was Pope Leo I — which dissuaded Attila from sacking the city.

            Attila died shortly after. Catholic interest in Attila centers chiefly in his relations with those bishops of France and Italy who restrained the Hunnish leader in his devastating fury. The moral power of these bishops, more particularly of the pope during the dissolution of the empire, is evidenced as well by the confidence in which the faithful looked to them for succour against the terrible invader as by the influence they sometimes exerted in staying that invader’s destroying hand. St. Agnan of Orléans sustained the courage of his people and hastened the reinforcements that saved his apparently doomed city; at Troyes, St. Lupus prevailed upon Attila to spare the province of Champagne, and gave himself as a hostage while the Hunnish army remained in Gaul; when Rome seemed destined to meet the fate of the Lombard cities which Attila had pillaged, it was Pope Leo the Great who, by his eloquence and commanding personality, overawed the conqueror and saved the city. The terror which for centuries after clung to the name of Attila, “the Scourge of God”, as he came to be called, and the gratitude of the people to their deliverers combined in time to encumber medieval hagiography with legends of saints reputed to have overcome Attila by their imposing presence, or stayed his progress by their prayers. But these fictions serve to emphasize the import of the facts which inspired them.


            Source (that introduced me to this miraculous and historical victory for Saint Peter and Christ’s Church):

            It’s a crime we aren’t taught about the “real” history of the Catholic Church in our schools. If we were taught the truth there wouldn’t be so many of us suffering from such little faith. Whoever tries to conquer Peter, fails, by the grace of Our Lord!

            You are on the winning side Walid, hold onto this truth. Whoever tries to conquer Peter the rock of our Church does so at his/her own peril.

            God Bless

  • Ratliff

    Angry much, Bill?

    You seem to mischaracterise a number of RC practices, and likely would those of the Orthodox Christians, too.

    Feel free to run down any road you choose. It’s boring to argue with fence posts, and it accomplishes nothing.

    As for me and my son, we are going the old, narrow road.

  • Does the absence of evidence constitute evidence?

    Answering this question will reveal your folly.

  • HRM=Hebrew Roots Movement which 80% now deny the Trinity.

  • Nothing will happen 9/23/17.

  • And Zevi I think converted to Islam to escape his beheading if I recall.

  • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

    Yes, I know the Donmeh well, and their horrific ritual known as the ‘extinguishing of the lights’.

  • It’s September 1. Day 1.

  • Ratliff

    6 “And these words which I command you today shall be in your heart. 7 You shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, when you walk by the way, when you lie down, and when you rise up. 8 You shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes. 9 You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.

    I understand that in Constantinople, people discussed and debated the things of God constantly.