The Head Of The Russian Orthodox Church Has Just Declared That The Russian Orthodox Church And The Roman Catholic Church Have Gotten Even More Unified

Patriarch Kirill with Cardinal Parolini, in their meeting in which Kirill said that Catholic-Orthodox relations has reached a new level

 By Theodore Shoebat

The head of the Russian Orthodox Church, Patriarch Kirill, said recently that the relationship between the Roman Catholic Church and the Russian Orthodox Church has reached a “new stage” thanks to Pope Francis’ meeting with Kirill in Cuba in February of 2016.

A meeting took place, from August 21-24 between Patriarch Kirill and Cardinal Parolini in the Monastery of St. Daniel in Moscow, making it the first time that a Vatican Secretary of State has travelled to Moscow in 18 years. In a statement made on August 23rd, Patriarch Kirill said that  the meeting between he and Cardinal Parolin was possible due to “the development of relations between the Russian Federation and the Holy See.” He went on to say:

“But it is with still greater satisfaction that I see the development of relations between our Churches …This fact testifies that a new stage has indeed begun in our relations with events of great importance, which have been possible because in Havana we agreed our positions on many current issues”

Kirill added that “this communion of positions allows us to build plans and give them real content.”

Cardinal Parolin offered to Kirill the message of Pope Francis’ greeting to “my brother Kirill,” and further upheld Kirill’s affirmation that the meeting in Havana between the Pope and the Patriarch “has laid the foundation for a new stage in the relationship between our Churches, giving new impetus to these relations,” according to Vatican Radio.

A major point of this new impetus in Catholic-Orthodox relations was the Vatican sending the relics of St. Nicholas to Moscow early this summer. St. Nicholas is amongst the most honored and revered saints in all of the Orthodox world. The relics consists of several fragments of the ribs of St. Nicholas, and stayed in the Orthodox Cathedral of Christ in Moscow from May 22 to July 12, and they were then in St. Petersburg from July 13-28. This was the first time, in almost a thousand years, that the relics St. Nicholas, a 4th century saint who combated the heresy of Arianism, had been moved from their resting place in Bari, Italy. Cardinal Parolin, in a beautiful expression of Christ unity, said that the relics coming to Moscow was

“…exceptional event for the story of our Churches… the ecumenism of sanctity, it’s true, it exists. … The saints unite us because they are close to God and so it is they who help us to overcome the difficulties of past relations due to previous situations, and to always walk more rapidly toward fraternal embrace and Eucharistic communion”

The Vatican’s decision to move the relics of St. Nicholas was truly a work for Christian unity between the Catholic and Orthodox Churches. For, when the relics arrived to Russia, over 2.3 million Orthodox Christians, from all over Russia, came to see these remnants of St. Nicholas’ bones. Many Russians, being so ardent about the relics of this saint, waited for 6-10 hours to see them.

St. Nicholas was a bishop who combated the evil heresy of Arianism, and in his arduous desire to war against the wiles of the devil, this holy combatant punched Arias in the face to express his anger against his deceptions. Today we have a multitude of heresies; the heresies of nationalism, of Islamism, Nazism, modernism and innumerable amount of others. Warring against these must unite both the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church.

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  • GLORY BE TO THE FATHER, THE SON, AND THE HOLY GHOST, WORLD WITHOUT END, AMEN!

    • Eric

      Trevor, as Grandmere has said multiple times, a Nuclear Fusion is coming.

      • You betcha!

        • Eric

          This is so exciting to see!

      • Kamau41

        Absolutely, Eric. She has been right on target all along.

        • Eric

          indeed!

      • Tom_mcewen

        Fusion or Fission? Combining or splitting ?

        • Grandmere

          Fission is obsolete. The future is fusion.

        • Eric

          Combining, Tom. 🙂

    • Kamau41

      AMEN, AMEN, AMEN!!!!!

  • Brick

    can I hear some “Amen” and “Hallelujah” brothers and sisters! 😀

  • Kamau41

    AWESOME….This is such great news to hear indeed. The two lampstands are coming together…..

    PRAISE BE TO GOD ALMIGHTY!!!!!

  • filomena seiffert

    Beautiful news, God be blessed. May the return of old Christianity be embraced by by the Roman Church and union with its sister be perennial

  • bubba

    exciting!

  • AnthonyM

    This is really good news!

  • Kevin Nicholson

    Please listen to this video by Fr Hesse:

  • Tom_mcewen

    How close, two hours on your feet on a hard floor close, strange Russian women eyeing you like an Orthodox drill sergeant checking the position of your arms. These are some tough cookies, they wrestled the KGB minders down to parade rest and gave them wedges. The Russians are a D cat of bulldozers, the Vatican better toughen up, they need to burn all traces of Protestantism out of the church or the Russians will show up with flamethrowers. Pray for the Pope who is in Rome. There is the suffering Russian and the Messiah Russian, we will get the Messiah one.

    • juanisaac

      The Orthodox do not like people criticizing them either. I once met a Russian Seventh Day ADventist in Oregon that had to leave the country becuase he could not practice his religion. Knowing the Seventh Day Adventists, ala Doug Bathchelor, they do critizice Catholicism quite a bit and their “offshoot” the Orthodox. I am only speculating here, but the people of the man’s town got tired being told they are not Christians. The funny thing about it was that he spent most of the time criticizing the Catholic Church.

      • David W

        There is an Adventist radio station in the Bakersfield area, and I caught a few snippets of their pseudo-health show, as well as clergyman urging youth to follow the example of Ellen G White as a successful woman! What the SDA calls the “Great Disappointment” is what we call FALSE PROPHECY.

      • Gloria Patri

        The Orthodox church in Russia, and Russia as I understand it will not tolerate heresies such as Seventh Day Adventists. I appreciate it seeing what mess the west is in over so many sects.

    • Стефан Евгений

      We went through a real demonic pit of death and rivers of blood. Not going back, we know first hand what happens when you forget GOD!

  • I’ll be the one to throw the wet towel on the party. This concerns me. What has changed since the great schism? The church of Rome changed in multiple ways from 1054 and I’ve not heard that they have since renounced having left original orthodoxy. So, how can their be a shared Eucharist? More information is needed.

    • Стефан Евгений

      Craig, there is not gong to be a shared Eucharist any time soon.
      Can both Churches work for the mutual benefit of man?…YES

    • Julie LaBrecque

      Talk about changing ??? Explain why the Orthodox DO NOT forbid divorced and remarried from partaking of the Lord’s body and blood – that is giving the green light to people taking unworthily, which subjects them to judgment. And — why do the Orthodox fail to condemn as sinful the use of artificial birth control??????¿.??????

      • Gloria Patri

        Julie, my understanding of Orthodoxy is limited, I am still very new to it and probably the least capable to answer you, but since no one has I will tell you my understanding. Orthodox Christians do not agree with divorce or birth control. The church does not however cut someone off from the body of Christ because of a divorce in order to extend mercy to them for a mistake. A divorced person may not take Eucharist for a time of their repentance but they are allowed to return after repentance. No more than two marriages are allowed though. A third would not be granted by an Orthodox Priest. My understanding is that Orthodox do not condone birth control either but may have not taken as visible of a stand against it as the Catholic church.

        • Grandmere

          Many times, a divorced person is absolutely innocent of any wrongdoing within the marriage. They kept their vow. The other party was the guilty one. An innocent person should not be punished for the sins of an unfaithful spouse.

        • Dear Gloria, You are not the least capable to answer. I am as I’m a new catechumen. I’m hoping at some point I can get a response regarding these issues from my priest, Fr. Andrew. Some searching will also bear fruit. I do think you have answered well though. God is love. He desires the destruction of not a single soul. Take as an example the Lord saying that anyone who deny’s Him, he will deny before His Father. All the apostles did deny Him, especially Peter. But the God of love restored them. I’m afraid some have the idea that with God there is ‘good cop-bad cop’. I think the limit for divorce is 3 but there should never be even one among a believing couple. Thankfully with God there can always be forgiveness. The western church hold a number of views foreign to the churches of the east. It’s my understanding if a couple have no chance of having children the church of Rome won’t marry them. The Orthodox don’t believe children, as wonderful as they are, are needed to populate the kingdom but a couple can grow together in union with Christ to be reflections of God.
          An excellent open appeal to all Roman Catholics can be read here: http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/105123.htm

          • Gloria Patri

            Great article Craig. I was not Roman Catholic but even as a Protestant the words of Fr. Victor E. Novak hit home.

            His article clarified the filioque for me. I thought some of the division was to do with Constantinople’s inability to defend the west from invaders too? Of course it was more doctoral.

            I can thank this group for steering me to the Orthodox Church. I would not have known about it otherwise and it has been the answer I was always missing in my Christian life. I wish all Christians would find their way home, especially when many other churches are being tried by fire so to say and burning down. The Orthodox Church has been through the fire many times and it remains true.

            It was a blessing to learn the church views marriage just as valuable as monasticism. Marriage is a life of self-sacrifice, and makes us more like Christ. I am sure that is why there is a difference in the views on children.

            One thing about the church that most strikes me is the mercy I have found there. So many people I meet think of Orthodox like a strict, legalistic church when it is everything but that. Fasting, prayer and what the church asks us to do makes us stronger in the Holy Spirit. All that is done; keeping fasts, alms giving, feast days, etc. that is not done for Christ is for nothing as Saint Seraphim of Sarov explained.

          • Fr. Andrew was telling me about Constantinople. The Bishops had called to Rome to send help to repel the Muslims. The Pope coerced the bishops to agree to surrender their authority to the Pope. The people didn’t think much of that and forced these bishops out, if I remember correctly. Of course there was the occasion during one crusade, the Latin troops entered Constantinople and killed the priests and raped the nuns. That about sealed the split.
            I identified as Protestant also and finally decided I had to search to see if the original, ancient church did exist. At first, my search was directed toward the Roman Catholic Church. Then the eastern Orthodox came in focus. It became clear the faith was once delivered to the saints, to be fought for and protected. The faith does not evolve, nor should it be subject to new innovations.
            After attending my first Liturgy I was in awe. I’d never seen anything like it. It is meant to show the interaction between heaven and earth; God and mankind. And the people there really do love each other. I’ve never seen anything like it.

          • Gloria Patri

            Very much the same for me Craig. I had been searching for a church like the original and tried every church. We go to mass often with my husbands family. I made a comment here one time about all churches lacking in some way or another. Someone replied the Orthodox Church has never changed, never had a revolution like that of Luther, still remained true to the original teachings. I started going to an Orthodox mission after that and have been happy that God has led me to truth, and through the good people here.

            I have also been in awe and have so much to learn. It’s like starting over in the Christian faith, as if I was once standing in the foyer of Christian faith, and now I have entered into a vast Cathedral. Not just in literal terms, because that is true too when we go to the home church that supports our mission. The love and sincerity is genuine, you are right. My husband is also converting and for that reason most of all.

  • Regarding some of these changes, please see the short book “Two Paths-Papal Monarchy-Collegial Tradition” by Michael Whelton.

  • richinnameonly

    This seems like really good news. I hope there’s no hidden defect.

  • Indian Christian Crusader

    Good to see Christian brethren coming together as Jesus intended. My best wishes to all Roman Catholics and Orthodox Christians in their dialogue. God speed. – From a humble Anglican CNI member (church of north India).

    • Julie

      When the apostolic, Universal Church is healed of its interior Schism, I pray it will fulfill the Lord’s admonition at the Last Supper ‘to be one so the world may believe’.

      The second in line to headship in the Church is Patriarch Bartholomew who is already in place for full communion. Russia converted a thousand years later, so it evolved quite independently…and there are independent dioceses as well in Russia that are on their own as well as the Orthodox churches of Bulgaria and Georgia who are very anti Catholic/Latin. I found an old picture of John Paul II standing by the side of the head of the Church of Georgia with much sense of pain while the head was very hard and separate. The former here consider the Latin Church heretical.

      It is just two different evolution of history and politics, language, culture…but the basic form, tone, spirit, and meaning of our beliefs are the same.

      A tempest in a teapot….

      It was caused mainly by mistranslation between the pope and patriarch of Constantinople, and those who are highly educated know that is all it is about…it is the lower rungs and nationalism keeping the separation….

      • It is much more than a tempest in a teapot Julie. First, Arian heretics in Germany altered the Nicean creed, adding a phrase ‘and the Son’ unilaterally, without any consultation with any other Bishops. This was then adopted by Rome. The eastern church would not accept it because it touches on the very understanding of the nature of the Godhead. Then Rome started insisting that all other Bishops must obey the Pope, who was claimed to be the head over all. They altered the long held interpretation agreed by all from the start of Matt: 16. The death nell certainly fell when Latin crusaders entered Constantinople in 1204 and slaughtered the orthodox priests and nuns. Not long after this Rome advanced the teaching that the pope was also head of all nations and all lands. Then it was that the pope is infallible when speaking ex cathedra. This doesn’t even touch on the changes made to the liturgy and communion. None of this has changed. Rome has added to the Apostolic tradition handed down, while the Protestants have subtracted from it.
        Jude: 3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
        The faith which was already delivered from the start is what the eastern churches have preserved. Nothing new. Nothing novel. Our faith does not evolve. It is set in stone from the beginning.

        • rudycarrera

          Agreed. However, outside of the idea of Pope as head of all Christians (which he never was and never will be), all other items CAN be worked out via an Eighth Ecumenical Council. It would also be a chance for dialog to bring back the Oriental Orthodox Churches, provided they become signatories to the councils East and West Rome agreed to, and to the Church of the East, provided they abandon the heresy of Nestorianism (which, curiously enough, even Nestorius didn’t quite peddle).

          There is hope to bring back fraternity to the church. But it will take a lot of swallowing of pride on both sides, and to quit relying on selective canons rather than history as a whole.

          • “But it will take a lot of swallowing of pride on both sides, and to quit relying on selective canons rather than history as a whole.

            So true.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Rudy – with much respect I say this – Jesus did, unequivocally, assign Peter as the head shepherd of ALL the sheep- these sheep include the other shepherds. You know the Greek better than I – and the word used to ‘feed’ my sheep, means to rule. The Church h Father’s are near unanimous that if you are not under the Roman Pontiff, you have left the Church. Do the Orthodox accept Cyprian writings? If I recall correctly you, he wrote around the year 250 and his words are undeniably in their meaning.

          • Julie, saying the church fathers were near unanimous saying if you are not ‘under’ the Roman Ponfiff you have left the church borders on fiction. From the beginning even Rome held the same understanding with the eastern churches that Matt:16 meant that the rock upon which the church was built was Peters confession: You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God”. The church is built on Christ, not Peter. This was taught by Rome until it wasn’t! Remember the Lord said if any confessed Him before men Christ would confess that one to His Father. Peter confessed Christ, the Son of God. And the Lord in turn confessed HIm: Thou art Peter! And on this rock of what you have just confessed I will build my church and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.
            As far as ‘feed my sheep’ it means to tend or feed. A Sheppard doesn’t rule as a monarch over his sheep. He protects, feeds and goes ahead of the sheep. The pope may consider himself a monarch, but the only monarch we have is the eternal king Himself.
            The questions you posed to me will have an answer shortly.

          • racarrera

            Julie, you know I’m the last person who will be rude over this discussion. However, it’s quotes like the one attributed to Cyprian, misinterpreted, which finally broke the last straw between me and the RCC’s version of history. I don’t subscribe to Catholic Canon Law, nor Catholic history, as it tells a far different tale than Greek primary documents do.

            Peter WAS NOT assigned all the sheep. In fact, he was rebuked rather forcefully by both Paul and James for critical errors he made. Worse yet, Catholics tend to forget that Peter was the Bishop of Antioch, where there is no doubt about his primacy. He came to the community in Rome with Paul to do God’s work, but was, as far as any records show outside of the Roman Catholic one, Pope of Rome. He was honored with this title retroactively. No one who studies history doubts he was there, unless one is a Protestant (and they have nearly zero credibility on church matters), but there is certainly doubt about Papal claims. The East decided to honor the Seat of Rome as First Among Equals (Pater Inter Pares or Πρῶτος μεταξὺ ἴσων). This doesn’t mean that they will give any ground on a claim that no Orthodox (and no Roman Pope) would have taken seriously before Charlemagne’s interference with the papacy.

            I’ll supplement this with a quote and link here:

            You are quite right with regard to your suspicions about the problems occasioned for the Roman Catholic doctrine of Papal supremacy by St. Pauls comments about his responsibility for the Church. Largely in recognition of this and other challenges to Papism, since the Second Vatican Council Roman Catholic theologians have studiously avoided characterizing the Pope with such exaggerated terms as “the voice of God on earth,” as they were wont to do in bygone days. Yet, astonishingly enough, in their efforts to make the doctrine of Papal supremacy more palatable to Orthodox and Protestants, they have tended, of late, to emphasize the Popes alleged “sollicitudo omnium ecclesiarum,” as the Latin Vulgate renders the original Greek of II Corinthians 11:28, “he merimna pason ton ekklesion” or “the care of all the Churches.” That this statement is from the mouth of St. Paul, describing his own duties, and not a statement by St. Peter, hardly reinforces the notion of Petrine primacy on which the doctrine of Papal supremacy rests. Indeed, if one were to take it as literally as the Papists take Christ’s statement to St. Peter with regard to his Apostolic prerogatives in the Church, he would of necessity have to attribute to St. Paul the primacy which Roman Catholics give to the former.

            The theologian John Meyendorff, one of the premier scholars of this particular period is quoted as saying the following:

            “Cyprian’s view of Peter’s ‘chair’ (cathedri Petri) was that it belonged not only to the bishop of Rome but to every bishop within each community. Thus Cyprian used not the argument of Roman primacy but that of his own authority as ‘successor of Peter’ in Carthage…For Cyprian, the ‘chair of Peter’, was a sacramental concept, necessarily present in each local church: Peter was the example and model of each local bishop, who, within his community, presides over the Eucharist and possesses ‘the power of the keys’ to remit sins. And since the model is unique, unique also is the episcopate (episcopatus unus est) shared, in equal fullness (in solidum) by all bishops” (John Meyendorff, Imperial Unity and Christian Divisions (Crestwood: St. Vladimir’s, 1989), pp. 61, 152).

            Also, from the hand of St. Cyprian himself:

            “Rock is the unity of faith, not the person of Peter.” (St Cyprian of Carthage De Catholicae Ecclesiae Unitate, cap. 4-5)

            This alone would be enough to destroy the idea of Roman supremacy. I would add also that Roman uses of Athanasius’ words supporting Rome’s supremacy are also taken way out of context. For further on that, I’d concentrate reading this article, here.

            My issue is that the Orthodox historians and theologians have had to do double the work in investigating what the Church Fathers actually said about the Petrine Chair. Catholics thoroughly disregard Orthodox history. This is why there is little meaningful dialog. We have a shared history which is unalterable, and we simply won’t give ground to innovative thinking on this matter.

            There are several points which have bothered me from a historian’s point-of-view:

            1. There is absolutely no need to have ever called an Ecumenical Council if the Pope was, indeed, the Vicar of Christ. The owner of the Petrine Chair would have simply said, “Deus Vult,” and it would have been done with. I know all the arguments of the Pope using his power ex-cathedra, and it doesn’t work in this case. It’s an insult to logic to thank that the Ecumenical Councils were called merely for the appearance of unity when the Pope could simply speak out of his chair and be done with it.

            2. As referred above, Peter may or may not have been the first Pope of Rome. What he was, undeniably, was the Patriarch of Antioch. He and Paul were called to Rome, then seen by the world as the Eternal City, to witness to the faithful and the heathen, and to be martyred for the Glory of Jesus. This needs to be acknowledged by Catholic historians, because erasing the history of the Antiochian Church isn’t an option for us.

            3. Bishops are seen very differently in Rome than in the East. Ours are all equal, and they name a Patriarch as a bishop who is First Among Equals. Rome’s Pope serves as king, in effect. This would have been seen as a blight to the Apostles, each of whom had their own jurisdictions. James led Jerusalem. Peter, Antioch, Bartholomew to Armenia, etc. No one would have taken the Papal claim of superiority seriously.

            4. Matthew 18 should be a very clear clue that no one was greater than anyone else when it came to the Apostles.

            In short, these are the reasons why I decided Rome was not for me. I would be delighted to go back once the issue of Papal Supremacy is sorted. The other issues (Filioque, Marianology, etc.) can be worked out by an Ecumenical Council, which is long overdue.

    • Grandmere

      God bless the Anglicans. Heaven knows we need it. Love ya, Indie.

      • rudycarrera

        Amen, amen, amen.

  • Rjk

    Now only if Protestantism can see its way back.

    • Julie

      Perhaps they will be given the Cross to find their way back.

  • Gloria

    Where is this in scripture about two false witnesses to guard the seat of antichrist? Just curious because I have never ran across it.

    • Grandmere

      Like Venus, it sprang from his twisted mind.

      • Стефан Евгений

        Fully formed…I did not have greek god parents for nothing.

        • Grandmere

          Zeus – “Not tonight, Hera. Prometheus hit me in the head with an axe and I am “crowning”. LOL

    • Tom_mcewen

      I am sure it is in a Protestant bible somewhere, even if a number 2 pencil had to be used. Once saved always saved is in pencil, a personal relationship with Jesus is in pencil, saved by faith alone, a lot is in pencil. I really like highly favored.

      • rudycarrera

        You owe me a new keyboard for making me laugh mid-coffee!

      • Gloria Patri

        Yes, as well as a made up pre tribulation rapture. A heresy that had cause a very self centered and ineffective western Protestant church. The illusion of the truth is much more harmful than a blatant lie, Satan knows that and always takes a tiny bit of truth and twists with a lie, making it much more palatable and deadly.

  • Gloria

    I honestly don’t know what to think of Pope Francis’s place in this. He acts very strange. I personally have read Priests from the Catholic faith call him false and they are trying to get him removed. Pope Benedict it seems was a true Pope and was usurped to have Francis planted by the globalists? That is what I have read that they say.

    It would be wonderful if all Christians once again return to one true church. I understand that the Orthodox church still sees the Pope of Rome as Bishop of Rome, and it would be good to have them back in that union. I think it will have to come to that because of the coming persecution and the many heresies taking shape in the fringe. The sheep will go to one side the goats on the other. I could see the church of Acts being all that there is in the end.

  • Putin never said this

    • Tom_mcewen

      I researched this is false, one Putin is too smart a person, leader, politician and Orthodox to say anything remotely like this. Two most of what I read on what the pope said, is either some phony website or words as twisted as a corkscrew. Who knows not me, I will stick with Christ’s guarantee. There as I live I see more and more the spiritual war being fought and that evil is off the beach and many miles inland, resupplied and ready to fight hard on the morn.

  • Стефан Евгений

    We got the video of that day he never said it it’s a fake story.
    I searched the Russian web and nothing came up so it must be fake. lots of schmucks would love to use that to take down Putin.

    http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/55203

  • Ray Kemper

    This is my son’s patron saintas well as who he is named after

  • juanisaac

    Many of the rides at Disneyland have that. So Disneyland, in way, is interdenominational!

  • Physiocrat

    It is the guidelines they work to. Their understanding of the sacrament is slightly different. Seems reasonable.

    • racarrera

      It is, indeed, perfectly reasonable. Communion isn’t booze and crackers. It is the life blood of our Lord Jesus Christ. To cheapen it and allow the unchurches, the heretics, those who spit on church history, to participate in it is a horrible thing.

  • Physiocrat

    Would you like to clarify your riddlespeak?

    • Grigori Effemovich Rasputin

      YOU DONT CONSIDER THESE TWO AS BUFFOONS? FRANCIS INVITING MUSLIMS TO PRAY IN VATICAN, TELLING tRUMP HE ISNT A CHRISTIAN, TELLING USA to allow mass immigration of scum, a fervent commie supporter, a supporter of Venezuela “socialist paradise”

      Kiril – dont know that much but his church joining Catholics. Trying to raise Rasputin & Ivan the Terrible to saint status- icons made

      Do you understand NWO leads to one world government-one world religion- eventuaslly run by antichrist & christians all executed- Centralization a bad idea

  • Fasting rules are not all written in stone or unreasonable. Some persons simply cannot do it for medical and other reasons. When I first heard a

    25 minute presentation on fasting, I sat there thinking “I can’t do this!” After 25 minutes I was saying “Wow, I really need to do this”. It is training and taming our passions and self will to be obedient.

    • Grandmere

      Fasting is one thing. Rechrismation is another altogether.

  • Grandmere

    Amen. He could tell a funny story with a tinkle in his eye, then deliver a stern message with the visage of a lion. When will we see his like again?

  • Tom_mcewen

    No need then for you to go to Arlington cemetery.

  • Tom_mcewen

    Who is this Yashua? I know that word is not Hebrew. Is in your bible or you telling porkies? I think Porkies.

    • Стефан Евгений

      Only the Septuagint preserved the name of God. Ask a gnostic schmoe This ἐγώ εἰμί ὁ ὢν: and he wont have a clue b/c he rejects greek in his pride and ignorance.

      • Tom_mcewen

        I see he uses the name of the evil monk Rasputin, who lead to the disgusting slander then the murder of the Romanov family, like attracts like and evil attracts evil. Excuse me, I have to go now and wash in bleach.

        • rudycarrera

          Expect no less from an H.R. pig.

        • Стефан Евгений

          There is a tradition handed down in my family that he is a Saint Tom…. first off he was not evil nor was he a monk. The Romanov extended family lead to the death of the Tsar
          much of what is repeated is slander. He was tortured and murdered by a Romanov, a transvestite fag, and british secret agents.

          http://www.events.orthodoxengland.org.uk/the-real-gregory-rasputin/

          • Tom_mcewen

            Well, he was hard to kill. I still believe he was a factor of at least propaganda that harmed Russia and negated the work of the royal family in the support they gave the wounded. The nobles were always a problem, that if they restate a Romanov royal house, zero nobles. I wouldn’t count him as a saint like Cyrill or Methodius. You maybe right, but I got a bad taste for him.

          • Стефан Евгений

            That is b/c all the slander you heard… i spoke to people who met him.

  • Grandmere

    Pardon me Grigori, but your yamaka is on crooked.

    • Стефан Евгений

      SNAP!

  • rudycarrera

    That won’t ever happen. It either goes back to a collegial relationship or no union, ever.

    • My priest has likewise assured me twice. It won’t happen.

    • Стефан Евгений

      They just don’t see ,, a good relationship is not a union.

  • PARKS CURTIS

    Valid – the Russians are STILL our enemies as are (not ” radical Muslims ” as you claim you were ) MUSLIMS , likewise so is Trump and his leftist elitist treasonous collaborators … even hold over generals from the last administration ( scandals like extortion 17/ Benghazi Trump backed , I am also loosing respect as you fail to confront the issue of Trump not declaring the Muslim brotherhood a terrorist organization . The Russians are allied against one of our enemies who are our greatest external enemies Trump has helped advance, more than any 1 man , inside our land : Sunni Muslims , If you want to clam conservative then tackle these issues…Now your leftist presidential hack is teaming up not only with Saudi but Turkey and even helping terrorism out in Lebanon, Qatar etc …The catholic church itself is under treasonous leadership in complete betrayal to its doctrines as well and I don’t see you addressing these points , but ducking for cover contradicting the article you said My questions inspired where you explain eloquently but not clearly enough ” judas comes from within ” Then go on to allow the empires new clothes worship of trump and falling into a leftist back up stance that5 somehow his high treason is not evil and deliberate as it has been for decades and essentially that not every muslim is a rapist of camels … these things are terrible ineffective disclaimers , let go on FACTS… NONE of these things are mysterious jigsaw puzzle but a treacherous jigsaw at the threat of western civilization , these ” leaders ” are proving the juice to keep the BLADES OF ISLAM CUTTING . i more agree with Russia’s backing of Shia then trump-s backing of Sunni because obviously they are the greater enemy , but we should be helping neither and wiping out both , If you oppose Iran’s nuclear capabilities why wouldn’t you be confrontative of so called ” catholic ” Putin helping them out ? Likewise why wouldn’t you bullhorn Trump about to give $800 million to Pakistan the largest Muslim nuclear supper power who constantly persecutes Christians ? Trump is also arming Saudi arabia over 3 times that that Obama armed the exact same land Trump admits ” saudi did ” 911 … P S Obama used the ” If Pakistan doesn’t shape up ” Ploy so I am tossing that joker card in the trash , So what cards do you havoc left to defend these ” leader5s ” in light of these facts laid open like Christians throats in PAKISTAN ? /Protestants aren’t busy persecuting Catholics as you have falsely claimed , much like people falsely tie Hitler into CATHOLICISM… We still need strong non Muslim Alliances starting with the Catholics and Protestants like we3 had ing WW2…How have www become so compl,agent to skirt around the complete thrust of knives in our backs ideologically and in literal helping arm our enemies , particularly with DECEPTION .

    • Gloria Patri

      Trump is indeed a disappointment. My own feelings is that it is time for Christians to look to God, society is spiraling into the abyss and we will not see the salvation of even a civilized society come from any man, not even Trump. Not that man ever had anything to do with it, but prayers and submission to God do. It is long past due for the church to get it’s act together.

  • Стефан Евгений

    Still a Gnostic I see… pride? no many Orthodox still read and understand the Gospel in its original form.

  • Стефан Евгений

    That must be some bad weed you got ahold of.

    • The stupid thing is the image of the angel wings comes from the book of Isaiah.

      • Стефан Евгений

        They make up the craziest stuff. If you don’t know what it is, just pull it out your arse!
        Its a monastic cowl and HH does not have it on when serving at the altar.

        • Right, I have watched the video where the Patriarch was conducting the Divine Liturgy and he did not wear anything on his head.

          The problem with fundies is they don’t understand that Catholics, Orthodox, and traditional Anglicans have celebrated the Mass the way the early Church did in the Book of Acts. By relying exclusively on Scriptures Alone, they completely do not have all the proper order of service. We, on the other hands, have the voluminous writing of the Church Fathers and carefully handed down instructions on the proper form of Mass. The Roman Catholics have their Missal. The Orthodox have their forms. The traditional Anglicans have the Book of Common Prayer and Missal to guide the order of Mass.

          God has always, always been about order, and the Church obeyed everything Christ commanded them to do.

          • Стефан Евгений

            Too right, they have never witnessed a divine liturgy so how could they know? did it ever occur to them to ask us?
            The consecration, no one has a covering.

            Here is the occasion the holy belt of the Mother of God came to Moscow. Notice the head covering go on and off through the service.
            Just by the cut of vestments and the mitre I can tell who is who
            Russians are madmen to stand this long ,just got to see how long this is brat!

          • No, they won’t ask because they are prideful and spiteful.

          • Gloria Patri

            I am just assessing this from church history and knowing what traditional Hebrew Priest garments were and what early Christian Priests wore. The fact that Christianity started with those Jewish roots the garments look like they have been adapted from them. Of course black is the sign of humility and Christian Priests adopted black for that reason. Moses received specific instructions for Vestments from God, that is where the Vestments come from in the first place. It seems we will be fighting forever with some Protestants that are paranoid against Rome and anything they may perceive as Catholic as evil.

          • You are correct in all you have wrote. Even we Anglicans did not discontinued the use of Vestment. It was among the many reasons I knew to be Catholic, Anglican, or Orthodox is to be Jewish inwardly.

          • Gloria Patri

            I was agreeing with you Trevor, just saying to add to your post and really to The Penitent Man Shall Pass who posted this thread, the instructions of Vestments are given by God. Protestants are so paranoid about the look of organized religion. That is maybe why they are in such disorder? I did not intend anything against that Anglican church.

          • Gloria Patri

            Very good point, years ago when I only knew of Protestantism and Catholicism I thought Catholicism was the only one that resembled the original faith.

          • I still see it that way. It’s the galen human nature to get in the way as shown in the thread regarding the division of catholics and orthodox.

          • Gloria Patri

            I do fall into the bad habit of seeing divisions. It shouldn’t be that way, ideally there should be no division. The wars and fighting have been a terrible wound on the church that I think Christ has been glorified in spite of, certainly not because of.

          • Same here. It has to break His hearts to see His children locked in petty infighting.

    • racarrera

      Considering we have such amazing commentators of many denominations here, it’s amusing to see that idiots still manage to crawl in and make fools out of themselves.

  • Стефан Евгений

    I have always held this view, it comes from being properly churched by my parents.
    The only thing i can’t stand is glorification of Bandaraism/

  • Michelle Therese

    God is good, and His mercy endures forever!!!

  • Michelle Therese

    This is incredibly encouraging and something I really needed to read… I have been praying for the impossible miracle of my own father becoming a Catholic!

    • Kelly Ann

      Happy for you n your father. God bless.

  • Michelle Therese

    Will the relics of good Saint Nicholas remain in Russia?

    • Стефан Евгений

      No, they have already been sent back.

  • Kelly Ann

    for goodness sake, read the Scriptures where it describes the the highest order of Angels. And stop listening to fools fables.

  • Kelly Ann

    Sola scriptoria loves to mingle truth with lies. That’s a order of discipline for both men n women from St Paul, it doesn’t refer to priest vestments. Priest uncover their heads during the sacred cannon of the mass. If you knew the rubrics of the alter you would understand this and avoid obtuse comments.

  • Kelly Ann

    He called it the post Christian world. When the church goes down so does christisdom, even the Jews recognise how the world has gone down hill since Bishop Futin Sheen made that truthful statement. P Pius XII identified it as the suicide of altering the faith. p JP II called it the silent apostasy. P benedict stated the church is about to go through a passion similar to that of Our Lords passion, P Paul V called it satans smoke, and bishop Schindler refers to it as the fourth crisis. There are many titles, Fr Hesse simply said humanly speaking the church is going down. Fr Pat puts it as the punishment . sr Lucy referred to it as the diabolical disorientation, weather its her own words or Our Lady’s we may never know.

    • Gloria Patri

      This is something Fr. Seraphim Rose said too. He spoke of nihilism and a post Christian world that would end in anarchy. It does seem we are living in a time when nihilism is what most embrace, at least in the west. Reading the stories of those coming from Russia after the revolution, that lack of belief in God leads to people doing whatever they want and experimenting in many terrible ways. I think a silver lining might be for those few who nihilism isn’t acceptable to them, they will be open to the truth that can only be found in Christ. Those who keep the truth will shine brightly in these dark times.

      • Kelly Ann

        Fr rose seems to be a priest with straight forward vision. N he’s right.
        Regarding those who keep the truth they will be persecuted by those who do not. The devils hour is one big bounty hunt.

        • Gloria Patri

          Yes, even so, and esspecialy so; I think when the world sees Christians dying in this bounty hunt, there will be people who see what Christians are dying for is better than what the world is living for.

          • Kelly Ann

            Yes, the beautific vision in Heaven

          • Kelly Ann

            Mass conversion. As one of the great saints said , I think it was St Catherine Quote ”

            ” If people only knew what awaits for them in heaven, they would be running to get there.”

  • Стефан Евгений

    A halloween jew lol!

  • Kelly Ann

    Research into the communion of saints will cure that for you. Take for example the cross Our Lord saved us on, the church has this holy relic, Our Lords precious blood soaked into it, his chosen vessel to perform his sacrifice, thanks to St Helen. She is the one who officially searched for it in Jerusalem. It was buried along with other crosses, she had The site of Calvary dug up.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    And we are to pretend that you are of Apostolic origin???
    Please explain your Tradition of Men in which mere men start their own church/churches and then dare ridicule/blaspheme those of Apostolic pedigree.

  • Kelly Ann

    Only Babylonian puts itself on a pedastool n crows like a rooster.

  • Стефан Евгений

    Couldn’t help it, that Ye Zeus. made me do it LOL!

    • Kelly Ann

      I love your sense of humour, it’s the very best. Lol, Ye Zeus triggered a classic.

      • Стефан Евгений

        I cant wrap my mind around how he gets ‘Ye Zeus’ from Ιησούς (Iēsous),

        • Grandmere

          Well, he must have gotten it from Athena. Except he got it wrong. She said, “Yo, Zeus”.

          • Стефан Евгений

            LOL! You made my morning dear! Oh if he thinks Priests are bad at pulling ears he never met my baba. What he said about the holy mysteries in the chalice is sewage, and we can kiss his dupa! . Baba had a remedy….. a birch branch used to expert effect, and she got results!

          • Grandmere

            Oooh! Fear the birch.

          • Стефан Евгений

            You bet your dupa! lol. That old woman put the fear of God in me.

  • Стефан Евгений

    жопа!!!!!!

  • Kamau41

    What year did your church began?

  • Gloria Patri

    I understand and don’t disputed the throne. The two false witnesses is what I question. That antichrist is Pope or Patriarch is not sound doctrine, nor do they fit into the beast. As Walid explains well on many articles here, it is Islam. Who wants the throne you spoke of? Turkey.

  • Gloria Patri

    When you look in the wrong direction for your enemy, he is bound to get you from the direction you aren’t looking.

    • Grandmere

      This man is one that I blocked. When he revealed that he is not penitent about self gratification that was too much information for me.

      • Gloria Patri

        I can see why you would, I thought by his comments he may be trolling? I gave him a benefit of doubt that maybe he is just very mislead. I am glad I missed the comment you referred to.

      • Стефан Евгений

        Ohoooooo,toooo much of a muchness dear!

  • Grandmere

    You sure are thin skinned. You better toughen up or get eaten up. I must say, though, that your deranged ranting is rather entertaining for the moment. As a newbie you are making a lot of assumptions that are incorrect.

  • Grandmere

    Now I know just who you are. You live across the street from me. Since 1995 I have seen you bounce around and each time you thought you had it right. The Buddhism reference nailed it. Last year you started with the Yashua stuff. Last week you were wearing a yamaka and talking about your upcoming bar mitzvah.

  • Growing up as a Baptist, I had this mental picture in my head of God walking about in heaven looking down with a clipboard in his hands and an eraser. Any sins being committed my name would automatically be erased.

    That image is coming back again.

    So I am divorced and remarried because I a) married way too young while a senior in high school and pressure to marry just because my ex was with my child, b) I have committed infidelity repeatedly on her with video watching, and c) I was mean. Very mean.

    Now according to the you, I am damned already. With no hope of eternal life.

    Then I am an Anglican, confirmed on the 27th of August.

    Whoops there’s another bullet point and there’s the sound of God removing my name from the Book of Life.

    So I am destined for damnation no matter what according to you.

    Why then should I continue to be a Christian? Why don’t I just say, “Eff it, I’ll drink and eat and be merry for tomorrow I die?”

    Finally when you say, “God be with you,” it comes across as, “God damn you.”

    • Grandmere

      I must tell the truth. If every non Catholic left this site, it would collapse. Not everybody is willing to put up with the abuse put out here by some of these sanctimonious hypocrites hiding behind a keyboard. I have Catholic family members and they do not see it his way, but then they are not hypocrites either.

      • I will never forget our conversation at my kitchen’s table.

        I also will always treasure Walid’s words after I asked a reader some time ago, “I am soon to be confirmed as an Anglican Catholic, would you consider me a Christian,” and Walid was the only person to say, “I would.” That’s not to disregard those who have upvoted that question, a healthy mixture of Catholics and Orthodox who upvoted.

        • Стефан Евгений

          Well Trevor I would say the same. After working all these years in granddaddy Anglo-Catholic churches. The properly churched person wold say the same we are not in communion but a properly churched Orthodox would never say you are not christian

          • Thank you, I really appreciate it. More than you will ever know.

            God bless.

  • Grandmere

    I know a lot of divorced and remarried Catholics. I know a lot of Catholics that use birth control. They attend Mass. Are they in a state of grace or are they going to hell?

  • The eastern churches held 7 ecumenical councils with the popes representatives present and these councils had representatives of all the churches. So, I don’t know what you are speaking about. But you are mistaken. And we are not protesting against the Pope. We have more important things to do. The church of Rome long ago separated from the eastern churches. That is a simple fact.

    • Grandmere

      So right. This reminds me of a story I read somewhere. Something about a Pharisee and a publican. As an Anglican I’m always the publican, which suits me just fine.

    • Prayforus

      The Orthodox Church has not had a Council since the Great Schism.

      You don’t know what you’re talking about, or you miss the entire point of this fact and how telling it is.

      Saying divorce and remarriage is okay, when Christ taught it’s an objective state of adultery, makes any sin okay. Oh, the fornicator is truly sorry. He made a mistake. He can be penitent and remain a fornicator. It doesn’t make any sense. The argument for divorce and remarriage is an emotional argument, and it’s a weak argument for anyone who actually understands and sees the perfection in God’s law.

      The Orthodox did ‘attempt’ to hold a Council in 2016 from memory. However the Russian Patriarch among others, was noticeably absent. You simply can’t unite as a Church, Craig. It’s beyond you.

      The Catholic Church has the same Liturgy you revere. The Eastern Rite Catholic Church shares this Liturgy.

      Why? The Catholic Church is the One True Church, Christ Himself, established on this earth. She is truly universal.

      If the Pope called for a Council tomorrow, every Catholic bishop would be bound to attend.

      Yes, there are fights and disagreements, of course. Yes, pastoral and clerical abuses have occurred. Yes, there are sinners in the Catholic Church, such is life. Christ never promised us a utopia, quite the opposite. He stated the wheat will grow among the weeds.

      However having the pope as the universal head/chief of His universal Church, bounds us to unity even where disagreement and even dislike exists.

      By attacking the Catholic Church, you are promoting tribal divisions, and an “us versus them” mentality.’ You don’t have unity. You unify against the Catholic Church. That is all. If you had unity you could demonstrate this with a united Church Council. You can’t.

      You have much to learn, Craig. Much to learn. I pray Christ leads you to the fullness of His Faith and Church, the Catholic Church.

      God be with you.

      Matt

      • The one and only thing you have said here which is correct is that I have much to learn. The Orthodox church hasn’t had a council since the great schism? So what? Is that suppose to mean something important? The faith was once delivered to the saints. This once delivered faith does not keep evolving and changing as it clearly has in Rome.
        I don’t know of anyone who says divorce and remarriage is ok. No sin is ok. Yet, we are sinners who have, by the love of God, entered into a process wherein we may finally be like the God in whose image we were created.
        If you were honest enough to look, you would conclude Rome has been the source of constant division. The Orthodox are united.
        Since you seem to be suffering from cognitive dissonance these two sources may be of benefit to you:
        http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/105123.htm
        Also the excellent survey of church history found in the small book “Two Paths-Papal Monarchy-Collegial Tradition by Michael Welton.
        I approached my search honestly and wide open. I would follow the truth whether it lead me to Rome or the east. Well, I’ve gone east, the direction from which the Lord comes.

        • Prayforus

          I’ve stated a basic truth you simply cannot grasp. What you said with respect to divorce and remarriage is what Bishop Schneider recently called ‘anti-discernment’ or pseudo-discernment’, comparing it with the discernment Satan used to tempt Eve to eat the fruit against God’s will in the Garden.

          The remarried person can renounce their state of adultery, in the same way as the fornicator can renounce fornication, if they truly wish to repent.

          “What about if children are involved?” Well, that’s like saying, “Hey, I’ve had an adulterous affair and we had a baby together. Therefore I need to marry her too, and have two wives.”

          It simply doesn’t work, Craig. A Church who can’t get something as this correct in doctrine, is a Church that cannot be trusted on matters of ‘dogma.’ It’s really that simple.

          To allow the adulterer/adulterers to continue to partake of the Holy Eucharist, doctrinally, while in a state of adultery, is permitting them to bring judgement upon themselves as Sacred Scripture plainly states.

          Yes, I agree… Too many, far too many Catholics, ignore Church dogma today, whether by ignore or rebellion, whether as it pertains to marriage, contraceptives, or any other dogma. We have fallen away as the Bible said we will. We have the doctrine we are not enduring in that doctrine, as a collective, at this time.

          Again, that’s beside the point. The Catholic Church consists of many imperfect individuals. The point is any Catholic who sincerely seeks the truth will find it in Church dogma, that is not the case with the Orthodox Church. You are divided, not united, on matters of faith and morals, that’s why you cannot publish a universal Catechism or hold a united Council.

          Be peace with you.

          • Grandmere

            If a Catholic is divorced and remarried and not receiving the Eucharist but still having relations with their spouse, are they committing adultery? If so, are they in a state of grace or mortal sin? Should they inform their spouse that they will hereafter live as brother and sister? This issue arose within own family. I await your answer.

          • Prayforus

            Hello Grandmere,

            There are various factors that need to be considered. I can only share the simple truth with you, that a valid marriage is a valid marriage for as long as both spouses are alive. If a husband served in war, and died in battle, for example, the widow would be free to remarry at anytime henceforth if she so wished. They would’ve fulfilled their vow “till death do us part.” That’s God’s law/will.

            That doesn’t mean we can’t have compassion for the complicated situations people get themselves into. We can and should have compassion for them, and help them to restore full union with Christ in their hearts and lives, as best we can.

            The husband who had a mistress on the side and had a baby with her (and children with his own wife), is in a horrible situation. However we know that it’s against God’s will/law for him to also accept her as a wife too. The husband will still have a moral duty and obligation to the former mistress and their child despite not being married to her. He can repent of this affair, and still be there for the child as best he can, as a father, whatever the awkward challenges and complications that will bring, (crosses), for his remaining years, and that of his child.

            I sympathise greatly with your Catholic friend. They would need to seek counsel through the proper channels, probably starting with their local priest or bishop. It’s not an issue I’ve personally encountered, not by a practicing Catholic anyway. The Catholics I know who are divorced have completely lost the Faith and really couldn’t care less what the Church teaches about anything.

            The brother and sister option, where they have renounced marriage (sexual relations), would probably be the optimal solution in their particular situation. It’s not my place to say what the best solution for them is.

            Objectively speaking, unless the Church rules in favour of an annulment, which means they were never married validly to begin with in the past (due to being coerced into marriage, or some other reason that impacted their freewill), they are living in an a state of adultery and mortal sin.

            The problem is, if your friend has lost the Faith, this will not concern them, unless/until their Faith is renewed and they have found soulful penance.

            It’s a messy world, and we are messy people. No one will deny that. To paraphrase St. Paul, I am chief among sinners. Nevertheless , even in the areas I personally struggle, I accept God’s will and law as it is. In the ways I fall short, I repent and continue to strive to be perfect as my Father in heaven is perfect. Penance, is a lifelong process in many ways.

            By the grace of God, divorce and remarriage isn’t a cross I have to bear. I truly wish the best for your friend, and pray they seek the proper counsel/guidance necessary to help them restore their relationship with Christ in a state of sanctifying grace.

            As it stands, we can state safely deem their present situation/sin as “grave matter.” Grave matter simply means that they are in a state of mortal sin objectively speaking. However, it’s God who judges the full culpability of a persons sin, not man, based on the criteria the Church teaches us. This criteria also assists priests when dealing with Confessions.

            Hope this helps point you in the right direction on how to best help/serve/guide your friend…

            My heart and prayers go out to them.

          • Prayforus

            Note: already posted this and it was automatically spammed (by the system). Here is a copy and paste, in the hopes it goes through this time. If Walid digs up the spammed message later, and posts it, my apologies for the double reply.

            Hello Grandmere,
            There are various factors that need to be considered. I can only share the simple truth with you, that a valid marriage is a valid marriage for as long as both spouses are alive. If a husband served in war, and died in battle, for example, the widow would be free to remarry at anytime henceforth if she so wished. They would’ve fulfilled their vow “till death do us part.” That’s God’s law/will.
            That doesn’t mean we can’t have compassion for the complicated situations people get themselves into. We can and should have compassion for them, and help them to restore full union with Christ in their hearts and lives, as best we can.
            The husband who had a mistress on the side and had a baby with her (and children with his own wife), is in a horrible situation. However we know that it’s against God’s will/law for him to also accept her as a wife too. The husband will still have a moral duty and obligation to the former mistress and their child despite not being married to her. He can repent of this affair, and still be there for the child as best he can, as a father, whatever the awkward challenges and complications that will bring, (crosses), for his remaining years, and that of his child.
            I sympathise greatly with your Catholic friend. They would need to seek counsel through the proper channels, probably starting with their local priest or bishop. It’s not an issue I’ve personally encountered, not by a practicing Catholic anyway. The Catholics I know who are divorced have completely lost the Faith and really couldn’t care less what the Church teaches about anything.
            The brother and sister option, where they have renounced marriage (sexual relations), would probably be the optimal solution in their particular situation. It’s not my place to say what the best solution for them is.
            Objectively speaking, unless the Church rules in favour of an annulment, which means they were never married validly to begin with in the past (due to being coerced into marriage, or some other reason that impacted their freewill), they are living in an a state of adultery and mortal sin.
            The problem is, if your friend has lost the Faith, this will not concern them, unless/until their Faith is renewed and they have found soulful penance.
            It’s a messy world, and we are messy people. No one will deny that. To paraphrase St. Paul, I am chief among sinners. Nevertheless , even in the areas I personally struggle, I accept God’s will and law as it is. In the ways I fall short, I repent and continue to strive to be perfect as my Father in heaven is perfect. Penance, is a lifelong process in many ways.
            By the grace of God, divorce and remarriage isn’t a cross I have to bear. I truly wish the best for your friend, and pray they seek the proper counsel/guidance necessary to help them restore their relationship with Christ in a state of sanctifying grace.
            As it stands, we can safely state that their present situation/sin as “grave matter.” Grave matter simply means that they are in a state of mortal sin objectively speaking. However, it’s God who judges the full culpability of a persons sin, not man, based on the criteria the Church teaches us. This criteria also assists priests when dealing with Confessions.
            Hope this helps point you in the right direction on how to best help/serve/guide your friend…
            My heart and prayers go out to them.

          • Grandmere

            Is that counseling/guidance for them to live as brother and sister? That seems to be the only way. What if one spouse is unwilling? Is a second divorce and subsequent celibacy acceptable?

          • Prayforus

            Grandmere, as noted in that message, your friend needs to seek guidance from the local priest/bishop, and work through their own personal issues and circumstances with him (with proper counsel and guidance) from there.

            I do wish them well…

            God Bless

          • Grandmere

            I see. Okay.

          • I will be speaking with Father Andrew today and will likely have more to say later from one who knows. From my own limited understanding thus far, what you are saying is that one who commits such a sin or any other sin which could dirty one has committed an unforgiveable sin. Unless of course, you are a member of the Roman Catholic church, in which case you may have a priest declare your marriage null and void and then, Voila, you are good to go!
            I’m not so sure that one who commits adultery, as terrible as that is, is living in adultery ever after. Such a sin has the power to break the marriage covenant. As the Lord said, if one divorces and marries another except for fornication and marries another they commit adultery.
            You express your disdain and rejection of the churches of the east; the ones that still hold the ancient teachings and have not changed. This is your choice to make. Did you read the two sources I provided you? I would bet you did not.

          • Prayforus

            My disdain is toward your attitude since your ‘conversion.’

            However, that does not mean I hate you or Orthodox Christians. Far from.

          • Grandmere

            Don’t you even dare to say you did not have disdain for him when he was a protestant You had disdain for him then and you have disdain for him now.

          • Prayforus

            Thanks, God.

            I appreciate your ‘heart’ reading. I’ll immediately work to amend it.

            I said I have disdain for his ATTITUDE toward the Catholic Church. ATTITUDE. Attitudes can be changed.

            Yes, as a Catholic I hate the anti-Catholic attitude that is prevalent in the world in general today. Surprise, surprise…

            Craig, as a man, a soul, made in the image and likeness of God. I love.

          • My attitude? Which attitude are you referring to exactly? You mentioned I have attacked the Roman Catholic church. Well, of course I have not. You sound like a Millenial who considers anyone who holds a different understanding to theirs as being an attack. I’ve read articles written by Catholic priests which I enjoyed. And I’ve met and spoken with Catholics here and elsewhere whom I really like and would be thrilled if they were my neighbour.
            Pope John Paul II said, “If at the beginning of the third millennium we are to overcome the divisions of the second millennium, we must return to the consensus of the first millennium.”
            I agree with this statement. Do you?
            The Canon of St. Vincent of Lerins describes the Catholic Faith as “quod semper, quod ubique, quod ab omnibus creditur (what has been believed everywhere, always, and by all),”
            It was determined at the third ecumenical council that nobody could alter the Nicean Creed. Rome unilaterally did just that in 1054, thereby separating itself from the other Patriarchates. This is undeniable. Thereby, the Popes came under the declaration of anathema from that council.
            I’m learning wonderful things in the one holy catholic and orthodox church first among which is the love of God.
            A point that we all should keep in mind is the Christian church was born in the east, not the west. Rome developed some teachings which are absolutely foreign to Christians in the east.
            I don’t hold you in disdain. God’s will is that we love our neighbours, forgive their trespasses against us as we ask God to forgive ours etc. I’m simply stating the fact that you support the Kingship of the Pope over all and in this you are dead wrong.

          • racarrera

            You stated only that Rome has acted unilaterally. That’s it. And they have no standing as Ecumenical Councils. They are Catholic councils, nothing more.

    • racarrera

      I destroyed that case above. Some Catholics will investigate further, some will continue to live in denial. I stand by my statement that Orthodox have to do double work. People like this don’t know a thing about how the Church developed in the East.

      • Yes, I read what you wrote. Very well done. You are well advanced compared to me but I am learning. It would have been much easier for me to simply go to a Roman Catholic Church. There are several not too far away. But when I saw the differences between them and the Orthodox, I knew I had no choice but pursue the one holy catholic and apostolic orthodox church of the east. I don’t think I’ve ever said ‘Wow’ as much as I do now when reading. Fr. Andrew is a very good teacher also and has taken to asking me ‘trick’ questions during my lessons. He wants to make sure I don’t become a heretic.

        • Стефан Евгений

          LOL, at least he did not twist your ears like my Baba!

          • Not yet, but that may yet come. With one trick question, I blew it badly. I thought we were going to have to call an eight ecumenical council! I told him if I ever gave such a foolish reply again he should give me a smack and send me to my room. He laughed and said it’s alright.

        • racarrera

          This is a good thing. We actually have Catholics who come to our Bible study, and rather than become upset, they almost salivate regarding things they missed in their classes, perspectives, the difference between Roman legal descriptions and Greek philosophical descriptions of Christianity. This is why we should never have added languages regarding philosophy. Latin didn’t have the precision of Greek, and these things matter greatly. Post Latin (which is a wonderful language), we have Latin’s sloppier daughters, as well as the Germanic mess. Add culture to the mix and bad churching, and you can see why come cultures fell easily into atheism.

  • Grandmere

    Do you think it is a waste of time and money to put wreaths on the graves at Christmas?

  • Grandmere

    I was just talking about some assumptions you have about people here that you do not know. Everybody has a history. I’ve been around a long time.

  • Grandmere

    Grigori, Please, please tell me you have not been reading Alexander Hislop.

    • Стефан Евгений

      I called him a A$$……. for trolling this thread and saying we were dumb, blind, stupid idiots. Right off the bat he spouted the protestant evangelical messianic nonsense. “Halloween Jew” is a reference to using only Hebrew names only….. like theirs some *(majick) to it . Pretending to be Jew when you are not… is the ultimate in cultural appropriation.
      * http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Majick

  • Grandmere

    Why are you commenting to yourself? Is it a left brain/right brain kind of thing?

  • Grandmere

    He was born in Ukraine and suffered under Soviet persecution. See what I mean about making assumptions?

  • Grandmere

    So you are one of those who don’t put up a Christmas tree or put a wreath on their door. That is useful information. This is the way we get to know one another. That helps us know where you are coming from. I will not throw a rock at you for being honest.

  • Grigori Effemovich Rasputin

    Are you Penzu? how do I follow you? your the best thing on W.Shoebat I’ve seen (all others seem to be mired in pedantic religious dogma, churchianity & totally lost sight of God). Bet most didn’t check your resources either. Minds are closed, they cant disturb fragile faith.

    Great resources-I’m bookmarking on my fav bar. Dont agree with all, but a lot. I think way more dragon bloodline than just Chinese. Missing- 5 beast identifications. Rev 17:8 scarlet beast is the emergence of Rev 12:7-10 Red Dragon beast cast INTO the earth in some form (both are fallen-aliens if you like). Apollo from same pit. Rev 9:11. Zeus=Satan (Rev 2:13) Apollo=the antichrist

    NWO GOVERNMENT

    666 AMULET= 36 gods of Babylonian pantheon numbered 1-36. Wearing that god’s number curries favor. Wear all- get love of gods 36+35+34+33…….+4+3+2+1=666

    pics of 666 amulets
    666https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=babylonian+magic+square+amulet&qpvt=babylonian+magic+square+amulet

    DISSERTATION ON 666 AMULET http://www.666numberofthebeast.com/666numberofthebeast.html

    kNOW WHY IT’S SIGNIFICANT? CATHOLIC CHURCH WORSHIPS SUN god, but calls him Jesus-born Dec 25 (Tammuz was son of Nimrod -babylon- & both worshiped as sun gods. Apollo was Roman/Greek sun god [only greek god who kept his name under Roman conquest);(Mithras was persian sun god). Rome also had Sol Invictus- unconquerable sun.

    Zeus IS Satan- says Yashua (Rev 2:13) http://www1.cbn.com/700club/seat-satan-nazi-Germany https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imzGI5AIbCI Per mythology- apollo was Zeus’son (a royal). Can you imagine a feeble pope, who needs help to put on slippers would be dynamic antichrist, bringing fire from sky, subduing 3 horns, great orator.

    Rev 9:11 Apollo in same bottomless pit, the red beast of Rev 17:8 rises from- which was red dragon put INTO the earth (Rev 12:7-10)

    Beasts are always Empires Daniel 7 & 8 – 6 beasts all empires
    5 BEASTS
    1. RED DRAGON BEAST IN HEAVEN OF REV 12:1-17

    2. THE 7 HEADED, 10 HORNED BEAST FROM THE SEA OF REV 13:1 (THE NWO OF NAFTA + 9 OTHER ECONOMIC SUPRASTATES) AKA BABYLON THE GREAT. http://nuclearsuntan.blogspot.com/ borders changed but all been operating since 90s. USA in NAFTA

    3. THE 2 HORNED LAMBDRAGON BEAST FROM THE SEA CALLED THE FALSE PROPHET OF REV 13:11-18 (can u guess which two empires been shoving NWO on all?) They have a name together. Bible definition of prophet is spokesman, not always seer) A PR guy

    4. THE SCARLET BEAST FROM THE BOTTOMLESS PIT (APOLLO/ANTICHRIST FROM THERE TOO) WITH 7 HEADS, 10 HORNS, WOMAN RIDER. IT IS EITHER THE REV 12:1-17 RED DRAGON BEAST WHO WAS CAST TO THE EARTH, OR OTHER REPRESENTATIVES OF THE RED DRAGON HEGEMON/FEDERATION

    5.”APOLLO IS god” BEAST -THE STOUT HORN WHO PLUCKED UP 3 OF 10 HORNS BY THE ROOTS; THE BEAST HAD 10-3+1 STOUT HORN= 8 HORNS. THE STOUT HORN (ANTICHRIST/APOLLO) DECLARES HIMSELF GOD AND RULES AS GOD OF THIS WORLD.

    Whore of Rev 17- @ http://www.green-agenda.com (hyphen) chapters A spiritual UN & The United Faith

    You are first person I have much in common with on website

  • Shoebat.com never banned you sir.

    • Grandmere

      Dearest Chef! We sure do miss you here in the kitchen. It’s too quiet in here without you calling out instructions. Oh well. Back to the hot sauce. I put some traps and roach motels out by the dumpster. See ya tomorrow.

  • Grandmere

    No, we cannot. Now put down that book by Alexander Hislop, turn out the light and go back to sleep.

  • jimmy

    sorry to hear you’re leaving but I highly doubt that shoebat.com banned or blocked your other account, I know twitter has been doing that for awhile they’ve had my account marked sensitive and shadow banned going on 3yrs now and just last month YouTube has started demonetising channels as I’ve seen lots of people complain about so perhaps disqus could be up to something similar, it wouldn’t surprise me considering all the censorship already going on. so my guess is you have someone or a group trolling you and constantly reporting your post until your account gets suspended or shadow banned. I doubt it’s anybody here reporting you because I see absolutely nothing in your post that would get you reported or banned. I hope you change your mind on leaving, the wisdom you share here may help someone else come to know the truth. may god bless you.

  • Kelly Ann

    I can understand where your coming from living in a modern world but what I mean is to research into the early church and what early Christians were taught believed n practiced by those whose were disciples of the apostles and those following after them.

  • Kelly Ann

    God in his good Graces and perfect friendship who does not need glory or anything for himself, grants such things to his friends ( the saints ) to be examples for us, so that we can have something to strive for while we fight agianst principals n powers, these saints venerated are non other than our brothers and sisters who have overcome such battles and have found favour with God received the beautification and their prayers are favoured above that of the common sinners. It was God himself who established the communion of saints, not man, we help each other even those souls who are in heaven, we knee down infront of the saints relics not to pray to the Saint as you would pray to God, but to pray to God and ask the Saint to intercede on our behalf, They are our Our help in battle to overcome many diabolitical battles the world throws at us. It’s not easy to be a Christian, if anyone says being Christians is easy then I don’t believe it. Our entire lives is one big battle. Our Lord wasn’t kidding when he said woe to the inhabitants of the earth, because the devil has come down to you. We need a lot of help and they are there ready n willing to help, like St Padre Pio said ” my work begins when I die.

    St Joesph the Lords temporial stepfather pointed by Almighty God. is the Patron Saint of the church , her protector. As he protected Our Lord and the Blessed Mother so he protects the Lords bride. The Blessed Mother who is the greatest of all saints and Gods perfect creature, is Our Spiritual Mother, the Lord gave her to the church on the cross, St John the Lords favourite represented the church at the foot of the cross, we take Our Lady as Mother as St John did, it was both temporial and spiritual for St John but mostly spiritual for us. When the church was being persecuted by the Jews at that time, the apostles decided to take the Blessed Virgin out of region altogether and St John took her with him, becasue they we in fear of her safety. Now if Our Lord meant for St John to actually adopt the blessed mother as his real mother privately, then why did the apostles together make such a decision ? Becasue Our Lord gave the Blessed Mother to the church and the apostles are all members of it. The apostles needed her help in the beginning becasue she is full of grace and favoured by God above all other creatures, the Blessed Mother was given domain over many things becasue of Her humility and obedience and most of all her love for God. She is the greatest of them all. N yes the kingdom if Christ works with a order of hiarchy.

    Mind you, you won’t find everything in the bible concerning this, but the bible clearly states that not everything is recorded in the bible, that also doesn’t imply that everything else is lost, its there in history, in traditions , in the teachings of the saints etc…. you only have to look for it in ancient n very old documents.

    • wheezl

      Thanks for taking the time to explain this and talking to me like I’m a person. It is rare on these boards. I now understand the significance of these in Catholicism outside of the relic definition that I thought was pertinent. Thank you Kelly Ann. You are a good person.

  • PARKS CURTIS

    Is Rasputin really your name ? I think he may be relevant in liberal politics because when I lived in Berkeley I remember “Rasputin records ” i think.

    perhaps that was cols Oh

    OK, I think I have the hang of it ,note :I do not agree that punctuation is cause for censoring . I may forget these things as I have been hit in the head by 2 muslims attacking me with an Iron in my own land Walid has mentioned capital letters and breaks too I think , I will try to accommodate but I ask that we focus on the ISSUES , Regardless

    Which things do you aeee with ?

    Which things don’t you agree with ?

  • racarrera

    With all do honor and respect, Wheezi, this is one of the grave problems of American Christianity. It has absolutely no roots. It is, at best, a social religion, something akin to being in an Elk’s Lodge. Russia, Greece, Romania, Lebanon, et al., are Christian to the core of their beings. I will say the same for those dominant Catholic countries as well, even the lapsed ones. Christ gave us ONE church, and now, thanks to Northern European pseudo-Enlightenment (which is pagan to its core), we are stuck with a false Christianity in the West. As Stephen Runciman was fond of saying, in 100 years, only an Orthodox Christianity will stand.

    • wheezl

      I can see why you think that way. We are a relatively new country. No mention of the US in the bible. So are you inferring my relationship with God is less? Are you a US citizen? Do you view the early settlers leaving the tyranny of the church/government and settling North America as a form of Protestantism?

      • racarrera

        I am an American citizen who splits time in Eastern Europe, where I am currently writing from. I don’t worry about your relationship with God, as that is between you and Him. I thoroughly reject what the settlers did, as they, like their Calvinist forebears, were as dangerous as the Taliban in their day, and they were thrown out of both England and Holland for being insufferable.

  • racarrera

    First, I was born here in Los Angeles. Second, I stand by my comment. The fact that thousands of denominations of Christianity exist in the US is my case in point. When you live out of the country for long periods of time, you see that other countries are dead serious about their faith, and resent interlopers bringing a false Christianity to them.

    Second, regarding the settlers, let’s dig into this. Most were misfits from the Church of England who didn’t want to be told how to worship. The CoE, while generally Apostolic, came to Bein the same way, and one can extend this issue of rebellion to the Great Schism of 1054.

    The Puritans were adamant against anything CoE because of their unhinged hatred of anything smacking of Catholicism. This behavior manifested itself to the point of violence both in England and The Netherlands, then considered to be one of the most hospitable places for heretics on the European Continent.

    I can make a laundry list of arguments against Puritanism and Calvinism, but before I do that, you will find a wealth of criticism using the search engine on this site.

    I’m currently traveling, so you’ll have to find these criticisms, and we can cover them point by point.

    • Grandmere

      As always, you are absolutely right. May God bless you in your travels.