Erdogan Loses The Elections In Turkey, But This Is Even More Evidence That The Antichrist Takeover Of Turkey And The Revival Of The Ottoman Empire Is Coming Soon

By Walid Shoebat

For the first time in 13 years, the Turkish AKP, led by President Erdogan and Prime Minister Davutoglu, has lost its majority hold on the parliament which held 312 of the 550 seats in parliament and now only holds 258 seats while the other three (CHP, MHP and HDP) now has 292 seats.

So does this set back mean the end for Erdogan and the AKP Party and are we to now eliminate the man of Turkey as the wrong candidate from being the Antichrist?

Hardly.

In fact, such a loss bolsters the biblical argument since unlike what most imagine, that the Antichrist storms in because through his charisma he gains a popular vote. On the contrary, Antichrist, as we are told by Daniel, does not gain prominence by majority support:

“With the force of a flood they shall be swept away from before him and be broken, and also the prince of the covenant. And after the league is made with him he shall act deceitfully, for he shall come up and become strong with a small number of people.” (Daniel 11:23)

The Antichrist, when he emerges, he forms a league and advances with a small number of supporters. Historically, the AKP began from a small number of people, the Refah Welfare Party which participated in the 1991 elections in a triple alliance with the Nationalist Movement Party (MHP) and the Reformist Democracy Party (IDP) to gain 16.9% of the vote. It was truly the incumbent President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, a former member of the party, but later founded Justice and Development Party (AKP) who catapulted the AKP to what it is today which still holds over 40 percent of the seats defeating all the other three. This is truly a victory for the Erdogan who started with “a few number of people”.

So now, when it comes to the elections in Turkey, the main question is who will lead the government: the anti-Christ Islamist AKP or the pro-western leftist CHP?

 

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This is truly the crucial question.

Unless the three other parties (CHP, MHP, HDP) unite to overthrow the AKP, a development that would in itself be unstable, Turkey could face another parliamentary election within two months since the rule is that the four largest parties have 45-days to form a coalition government before Erdogan can call for re-election. Erdogan may seek this option believing that the prospect of a weak government would scare voters back into the AKP fold.

The victor in the end is likely for the AKP for two reasons. Firstly, with AKP’s 41 percent, the Islamist ultra-nationalist MHP could be the swing party in determining whether the AKP Islamists or the CHP leftists will lead the next government. Since the AKP did not drop below 40 percent of the vote, in that case the CHP and MHP’s gains would not be enough to outnumber the AKP.

Secondly, only had the AKP got below 40 percent it would be considered a failure for the AK Party, which now may be forced to form this coalition government with the partly Islamist ultra-nationalists MHP and even including the Kurdish HDP’s tiny swing (12.9%) which could result in a massive change in parliament, one that could either hand the AKP the majority it needs to initiate constitutional changes.

The MHP is Turkey’s far-right party and has a traditional Islamist and nationalist constituency similar to that of the AKP, although it generally abstains from religion-based politics and rhetoric, with its 16.4 percent of the vote and possibly entering a coalition government with the AKP will continue Turkey into its political instability and its ambivalent line toward Israel, the United States and Europe even further advancing  Erdogan’s ‘New Turkey’ and his revived Ottoman dream.

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This is the likely scenario that will take place.

As for the opposing parties, especially the leftist CHP and HDP which are resolutely secular. In order to create a minority coalition government with either the Kurdish HDP or the nationalist MHP; for the CHP, 25 percent it would likely provide the party with paths to a coalition government, but achieving this goal will be very unlikely. While MHP, CHP and HDP share a dislike for Erdoğan and have a chance to collectively constitute a majority of parliament, such a coalition remains very unlikely since the HDP’s desire for “autonomy” or “federalism” is considered an anathema to the CHP’s old guard, which has been weakened but remains strong enough to make a coalition very difficult.

The nationalist MHP’s base is far to the right of the CHP, and its foreign policy contrasts starkly with that of the CHP which is committed to membership in the European Union and a close relationship with the United States. The MHP opposes EU accession and is ambivalent toward the United States.

Unlike the CHP, the MHP emphasizes on national sovereignty and foreign policy and wants two separate governments in Cyprus—the Republic of Cyprus in the south and the Turkish Republic in the north—a long-term point of tension with Europe and an intentional roadblock to EU membership.

This will continue to cause Turkey’s drift from Europe and to expand further into its Ottoman sphere of influence.

However, having said that, it should be noted that the MHP did join a coalition with another center-left party, the late Bülent Ecevit’s Democratic Left Party, in 1999, so there is historical precedent for such a partnership.

THE MAIN QUESTION — WILL ERDOGAN BECOME THE NEXT SULTAN

In order that Erdogan becomes an elected ‘Sultan’, the AKP would need 330 parliament seats to put proposed constitutional changes to a national referendum and 367 seats to change the constitution unilaterally. The problem for Erdogan is that all of the major opposition parties oppose the proposal for a strong presidency since they fear that President Erdoğan wants to use a presidential system to consolidate his hold on power and is primarily concerned with eliminating legitimate checks on his authority. Today over 70% of Turks oppose the proposed presidential change including even 64% of the AKP voters.

But despite the unpopularity of the presidential proposal, Erdoğan might and is likely able to carry a national referendum by making it a personal vote of confidence by appealing to his popularity with half the country, much as he did in the August 2014 presidential election, when he won nearly 52 percent of the national vote. In addition, the 1.4 million Turkish expatriates in Europe who were allowed to vote for the first time in a general election have 60.8 percent support the AKP.

Also, the Kurdish HDP would set aside its differences of the Islamist AKP and form a coalition in which it provides support for AKP-led constitutional reform with the understanding that the new constitution would remove anti-terror provisions since the Kurdish movement is considered terrorist and tone down the aggressive ethnic nationalism of the current constitution to a more Islamist stance.

When we think Turkey, think anti-Christ, especially when Turkey’s three largest parties—which can agree on little else—issued a joint declaration condemning the European Parliament’s resolution to recognize the 1915 Armenian genocide.

This alone speaks volumes.

 

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  • Molon Labe

    Walid,
    Erdogan wants to be the sultan, but I have a very bad feeling about Ahmet Davutoglu.

    • Davutoglu is even worse since he is smarter than Erdogan.

      • Molon Labe

        Davutoglu is younger than Erdogan. He seems to me like the Krushchev to Stalin. He’s the one with the political capital in Turkey. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him depose Erdogan the way Saddam removed al-Bakr in the late 1970s. Basically met behind closed doors and told him it was time to retire.

        Davutoglu is a pan-Islamist. And I’ve read a number of reports that identify him as being of part-Jewish descent. During the Israel-Gaza conflict in 2008, he was one of the leading Turkish diplomats in Israel.
        I read on a Turkish web site that the name, “Davutoglu” means “son of David.” Walid, do you have any idea if that’s accurate?

      • Willing to die for Jesus

        I don’t know what to make of this: Is Davutoglu a Crypto-Jew or Donmeh.. who blends both Sufism and the Kabbala?

        And with the whole “Crimean affair” right now… and the Tartars…

        http://www.turkishnews.com/en/content/2013/01/12/davutoglus-crimean-karaite-jewish-origin/

        “Davutoglu’s Crimean-Karaite Jewish origin”

        “Davutoglu” also means “Son of David”.. but not the David of the Hebrew Scriptures. Can read into this a lot.

        Thank you so much for your work and reminding us to keep our eyes on Turkey.

  • Trevor

    It seem that the MHP have a 40 years plan for Turkey (h/t RodK1975).

    Read briefly about the MHP before this article came up and could see a potential alliance between AKP and MHP. One is Islamic-rooted and the other is nationalistic rooted. If you ask me, that is a deadly cocktail to mix.

    Ask Germany during the 1930s when they witnessed the rise of Nazism.

    • Molon Labe

      Like Walid pointed out, the Antichrist will come to power with a “small people.” To me, that’s one reason why Antiochus IV Epiphanes is NOT in view in Daniel 11. Epiphanes ruled over a massive kingdom and no army was swept away from before him. Daniel 11 also says that the “vile person” will not have the honor of royalty, which means we probably aren’t looking for a sultan or a king, but rather a prime minister or an elected official.
      Your point on Nazism is spot on. The NSDAP controlled well below half of the seats in the Reichstag when Hitler ascended into power. You don’t even have to hold a majority to rule.

      • theophorus

        A small people? That sounds like the Kurds to me…

        • Molon Labe

          Something like that. Kurds. ISIS. etc.

      • CarriedbyGrace

        Ha! Congress proves that these days! ; }

      • shauna stephens

        you are forgetting that in Daniel, Gabriel tells him at least 2x, this is for the “time of the end”. Go your way Daniel. This could have dual prophecy fulfillment as many prophecies do, but this Daniel 8 war has never happened before, and is beginning now.

  • AnthonyM

    A surprising election outcome. It seems Turks are tiring of Erdogan’s leadership, higher unemployment, and the refugees. This will be interesting situation to watch.

  • Marko

    Erdogan giving speech at the AKP party assembly .

    • AnthonyM

      Funny play on words too.

    • Molon Labe

      Now if that were a hologram… it would be priceless.

    • FF

      Is beginning was humble:

  • Willing to die for Jesus

    Yes people forget the Young Turks, who tried to “modernize” and “Europeanize” Turkey.. who are now the “secularists” in Turkey and the opposition party to the Islamist AKP.. actually played the greatest role in the Armenian and Christian genocides. So we have to keep our eyes on BOTH the Islamists and the “Turkish nationalists” (and their “secularism” is just a facade.) Muslims and secularists /atheists – the biggest threats to Christians worldwide.

    • Stephen Dalton

      The Young Turks were mostly Non-Turks. A large number of them were followers of the false messiah Sabbatal Sevi, who outwardly became a Muslim, but he and his followers practiced a bizarre form of Crypto-Judaism based on Sevi’s teachings and the Zohar, the principal book of Kabbala, which is Jewish occultism. To read about the Sabbataeans, also called the Donmeh, read the book “The Messiah of Turkey” by Aubrey Ross. Also read this online article on the Donmeh, http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2011/10/25/the-doenmeh-the-middle-easts-most-whispered-secret-part-i.html

  • susan

    All this makes me wonder if things are going to be speeding up, not slowing down.

    • It slows down when everyone thinks its speeding up and speeds up when all think its slowing down.

      • susan

        I’m glad you’re here to keep us steady! 🙂

      • Grandmere

        I’m glad you’re back, chef. Everybody was getting tired of leftovers and was clamoring for a good hot falafel with plenty of Victoria hot sauce.

    • Molon Labe

      Remember the Psalm.

      Be still and know that I am God.

  • andrea

    Thank you for keeping us informed and sorting out the terms and how they relate to the bible.

  • knight

    The question is how many terrorist are in Turkey that Erdogan can call upon.

  • LJW

    Now, I can reconcile Erdogan as a “little horn.” I could never place these pieces in the puzzle to where they made perfect sense. Thank you, Walid for keeping it all straight in our minds. We are blessed beyond measure with your gifts.

  • Molon Labe

    Daniel 8 is tricky. the vision pertains to the time of the end. However, the text also refers to the latter time of the four kingdoms that emerge from Ionia.

    While i agree that much of Daniel is futuristic, im inclined to believe that the war between the goat and ram has already ocurred. Ive gone back and forth on this. Im not ruling out a Turkish-Iranian war either, but it isnt necessarily rquired since the angel already places a time lapse in the prophecy.

    • shauna stephens

      Many prophecies have dual fulfillment, but Gabriel was clear, he said twice that it’s for the time of the end

  • Molon Labe

    Neuklass,

    Daniel 8:22 describes the four smaller horns that emerge from the great horn of the buck or the shaggy goat as four kingdoms. Verse 23 states that in the “latter time” of their kingdom, a king of fierce countenance will stand up. That’s the Antichrist. There’s a definite lapse in time between the war (goat and ram) and the latter time of the goat’s kingdoms.

    I think that the great horn is Alexander the Great, not Erdogan. And I think the two horns of the ram of Media and Persia, not Iran and Shiite Iraq.

    • Trevor

      Big time news. Turkey have reportedly been massing troops on the Turkey-Syria border, very much like Russia parking near the Ukraine border.

      • And now Algeria is massing thousands of troops near the Libyan border to fend off an Isis invasion

        • Trevor

          Shew. The Middle East have gone mad with war.

          All because of the harlot who is drinking the blood of saints and martyrs.

          • I am curious about the size of ISIS. They are spreading into many areas, but they are also set to confront national armies, such as Iran and Algeria. That requires an awful lot of manpower

          • Trevor

            Yea it does. Makes me wonder how they are going to stand up to Iran. I suspect we will get our answer soon enough.

            Assad is going to fall, sooner or later.

          • I doubt ISIS will be able to handle the Iranian military. But there are also rebel factions who will have to be fought off as well.

          • Trevor

            And the other groups who have swore allegiance to ISIS.

            Could this be what draw in Turkey and we see a war between Turkey and Iran over Assad? Turkey wants Assad gone, Iran wants to prop up Assad.

            What a gigantic cluster.

          • Turkey has important domestic issues at the moment. Aside from that, it will be a difficult thing for Erdogan to deploy troops without indirectly assisting ISIS. He has already recently arrested politicians, journalists and security officials after the Turkish media accused his government of arming rebel forces in Syria. He may want Assad gone, but it would be an unwise move if he chooses to play the military card under these circumstances.

          • Trevor

            Indeed. So, if I’m understanding you, Iran coming to Syria’s rescue may benefit Turkey somehow?

          • It can benefit Turkey in the long run. Assuming that Iran defeats ISIS in Syria, the questions are legion: what will Iran do thereafter? Will they simply pack up and go home? Does Assad keep his government for now? Do we invoke Daniel 8 and consider the possibility that the Ram will occupy Syria? I agree with Walid’s assessment that an alliance between Turkey and Iran will be formed before their prophesied clash. Will there be some agreement between the two that Iran keeps Iraq in exchange for Turkish control of Syria, and an exiled Assad? It will be critical to gauge Turkey’s interest in this matter after the Iranian military enters Syria.

          • Grandmere

            I kind of see it your way, Vernon. By the way, I’m looking at some swaying palms right now. Made me think of you. XO

          • The variables are intriguing Grandmere. A report released today by WND says that ISIS threatens Damascus, which has fuelled speculation concerning the fulfilment of Isaiah 17. I am inclined to believe that we still have some ways to go before the really serious aspects of this entire scenario is fully realized. It’s important that we watch carefully and connect some more dots.

          • Grandmere

            100% Correct, son. Damascus will be leveled. That is not for next week. We need to keep the faith and keep oil for our lamps. I love you so, and wish you could be here with me now. XO

          • I feel the love mom. Soon we will all be be together for eternity. I pray your mansion is right next door to mine! 🙂

          • Molon Labe

            remember that turkey and iran are together in Ezek. 38.

            Daniel 8 really makes it seem like Persia gets walloped good.

          • Trevor

            Yes, Turkey and Iran will form an alliance because Ezekiel 38 plainly says that Persia (Iran) is with Gog in his plan to invade Israel.

            I suspect that Erdogan is making his plan right now and I wouldn’t put it past him to shake up AKP.

          • andrea

            According to Bahman Nassiri the plan of the Eagles. is to 1. Supply Syrian Rebels (isis) with weapons to overthrow Assad. 2. Create war between Shiite and Sunni bring Iran into war. 3. Let Iran manufacture its nuclear head and wipe out Isis. 4. Let Israel nuke Iran let ww3 begin. This is Albert pike ww3. This is to bring into the new world order

          • Sounds interesting Andrea. I personally do not subscribe to a new world order. Visions given by demonic spirits to ungodly men can be tempting to consider if world events harbor some similarities to what they claim to have seen. The danger is that many Christians tend to take these demonic visions and use them to “fill the gaps” in prophetic scripture – an ungodly mix if you will of light and darkness, applied to biblical prophecies where God could have been more detailed. But God has given us all we need. Pike was no prophet.

          • susan

            Well spoken Vernon!

          • andrea

            Our government made a big military base in Iraq for this purpose have you seen it? Now, you need to know Hitler and all the other fanatics like Hillary c who channels Eleanor Roosevelt. Look it up and most of all Eph. 6:12 we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. The bible believes in a hierarchy. Who do you think planned out the last 2 wars?

          • andrea

            Yes you are right but our government does.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            If Assad does fall, Syria’s Christians will be butchered.

          • Trevor

            “If?” I don’t think there is an “if” any more but when.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            Yes, from what i’m hearing the Alawites that form the core of Assad’s support are tired of dying in non-Alawite areas and want to withdraw to the mountainous coastal areas where they live.

            If it hadn’t been for the Ukraine situation, Russia might have been able to intervene to stop a genocide of Syria’s Christians…. Maybe that’s why there is a ‘Ukraine Situation’? Damn them all.

          • Trevor

            It does make you wonder.

          • DeusLoVult

            Probably, if there is any relation, it’s to keep Russia occupied in general, to prevent them from stopping the rapid advancement of the Caliphate. Notice how Europeans are once again pointing weapons at each other, instead of the real enemy. It has happened before, which allowed Islam to spread all the way to Vienna. But inevitably, just like before, Europe will eventually realize the danger which besets them, and unite against their old foe once more.

          • Trevor

            Yes, yes, and yes. History does have a nasty habit of repeating itself.

          • DeusLoVult

            Except, that while there will be an Islamic invasion, just like before, we will also steal the victory, just like before. What you said is key, history repeats itself. Which means Islam will never succeed. Not so nasty after all. 🙂

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            Well said, I believe that this is exactly the case.

          • DeusLoVult

            Russia will come out on top eventually, though, and turn it’s eyes to larger prey.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            It does indeed, a great deal

          • andrea

            You are right in what you said spot on. Still people don’t want to believe in an agenda from the devil and the other fallen ones who work through physcial beings.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            Oh, I can’t help but think of the Devil, my own abominable thoughts and deeds make me aware of him always. But, God is most merciful and good, praise His Name YHShVH.

            A Sinner,

            OKGC

          • andrea

            I pray for them I don’t like any of it one bit.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            No, but as a side benefit if it does away with the Alawites, this Syrian Civil War, good will come from the Evil. May they convert to Christ!

            Alawism is a secret sect within Islam.

          • susan

            And unfortunately they have a lot of OUR military equipment. What a national disgrace! I wish I could move a few pieces on the board.

          • I believe right thinking Americans are the majority Susan – they whole-heartedly reject Obama’s foreign policy. Chin up my friend. As regards ISIS, the disgrace is your President , not your country.

          • susan

            Thank you for your uplifting words. I’m still very concerned about the current state of many churches. The degree of their lukewarmness is alarming!

          • Oh my Susan don’t I know it! The entire church in Bermuda is asleep! I was even forced out of my own assembly because I was talking about this stuff. The pastorate didn’t want its flock to become worried about these sorts of things

          • andrea

            And you still don’t want to believe in a bigger agenda. There are a lot of so called pastors who have gone to a school to learn how to talk Christian. I always say through it all God knows who are his. He called you Vernon just like me.

          • andrea

            Well so you need to know they are pushing for a one world religion but you don’t belive in that either. They are taking it back to Babylon. What do you think the ecumenical movement is about. But there is no new world order. A world without borders they want. The bible triumphs but satan and his fallen angels are alive and well.

          • DeusLoVult

            It was about 250,000 fighters, last I heard.

  • DeusLoVult

    Definitely agree with you, Mr. Shoebat. Just because Erdogan lost the elections, doesn’t mean he’s out of the game. These Middle Eastern dictators seem to have interesting ways of staying in power. It will be very much the same with Erdogan, I think.

    • Eric

      Deus, my first comment must have not gone through at the top for some reason, but I also think we should keep an eye on Davutuglu too.

      • DeusLoVult

        I don’t know much about him.

        • Eric

          Neither do I. But acording to Mr. Shoebat, he’s smarter than Erdogan.

          • DeusLoVult

            What does he do, do you know that?

          • Eric

            He’s the prime minister.

          • andrea

            He used to be president I believe. Him and edgerdon switched spots

          • DeusLoVult

            Always leave it to the fine ladies to keep me informed. 🙂

          • Molon Labe

            Ahmet Davutoglu is the AKP party leader. Kind of like the RNC or DNC chairman in the US

          • Molon Labe

            Hes the grand vizier. the man behind the curtain.

          • Eric

            Makes sense, Molon.

          • Molon Labe

            Eric the Antichrist is a little horn. he does not receive a royal title. I dont think he will even be a primary leader. maybe a prime minister or a militia leader or a foreign secretary that comes to power in a peaceful coup.

          • Eric

            Right–that’s why I’m thinking we should watch Davutoglu. Erdogran seems a bit to. . .obvious. Like you said, the Antichrist is a “Little Horn”. Erdogan is more like a “Big Horn”.

          • Molon Labe

            Keep an eye on Turkey. But the Antichrist doesnt necessarily have to be a Turk. The Bible calls hm the Assyrian. He could be a Kurd or from Iraq or Syria. Ezekiel 38 calls him the chief prince of meshech and tubal. there could be other princes. Maybe even an Islamic Council. We have no ideas how fast the borders could change over there.

            Who is to say it wont be someone from ISIS? look how sunnis in Iraq are welcoming ISIS into their towns.

          • Eric

            The Antichrist is called “The Assyrian”, “Gog”, “Pharoh of Egypt”, “Prince of Tyer”, “King Of Lebonon”. . .all sorts of names. Good point about ISIS, too.

          • Molon Labe

            Tyre was in Phoenicia. modern Lebanon. King of Babylon places him over Iraq and Arabia. Assyria includes Iraq, Syria and southern Turkey. And hes called Pharaoh of Egypt because he conquers Egypt (Daniel 11:36-45). Notice he isnt called King of Persia or Media. The region is north of Israel as far east is Iraq

          • Eric

            Thanks, Molon. I also forgot the “King of Baybolon” title as well.

        • susan

          After Davutuglu saw the results of the election, he was the first to speak consoling words to the people. I’ll try and find the exact quote.

          • DeusLoVult

            Thank you, my lady. 🙂

          • susan

            Of course God willing May be code for Erdogan willing….
            I haven’t seen whether or not our happy little camper has a fierce countenance.

  • Tom_mcewen

    no body is hungrier then when food is suddenly taken from then. erdogan will not go hungry for power but will reach out to get more.

  • edwitness

    Hey Walid,

    There is an interesting article on the mischief the west has been fomenting in the middle east by Seumas Milne of The Gaurdian. The Gaurdian.com. “Now the Truth Emerges: how the US fueled the rise of ISIS in Syria and Iraq”. It seems some newly released declassified documents reveal the west’s involvement in supporting ISIS and it’s activities in Syria and Iraq. Seems Turkey is right in the mix with the west as well.
    Blessings:-}

  • Grandmere

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsOSt3hNRY0 Looking down from my balcony at all my peeps this morning I thought about this song. I am sending it out to you with my love.

    • Jeff Benton

      Nice…
      Hey, say a lil prayer for me if ya think about it later Grandmere…
      Im sleeping all the time and tired even after 12 hours of sleep…
      May be my heart… not sure…
      Later Tater 🙂 🙂

      • DeusLoVult

        I’ll say one every night, for what it’s worth.

        • Jeff Benton

          Thanks my brother 🙂 🙂
          Feeling better today 🙂 🙂

          • DeusLoVult

            I’m glad. 🙂

          • Nichole

            Sending Prayers your way Jeff Benton.

  • Jeff Benton

    These Turkish politics (all foreign politics for that matter) are way over my head…
    Thanks for writing about it in such detail…
    Im out of here… see you all in a day or 3…

  • OrthodoxKGC2015

    You know what’s even funnier? I bet you won’t be able to discuss any single element of what you think is wrong about what mr. Shoebat says, because your antipathy is based on pure emotion and not reason or love of the truth, whatever it might turn out to be.

    So mighty, care to say what’s wrong with what mr Shoebat is saying? It’s easy to snipe and not have to address and debate the issues, isn’t it?

    Best Regards, hope you do talk to him,

    OKGC

    • DeusLoVult

      No point arguing with him. He’s a hajji lover, through and through. Just read his profile to see what I mean. Save your ammo for the stupid people and your breath for the smart ones.

      • OrthodoxKGC2015

        Ah, another that’s drank the liberal kool-aid, and to him and those like him, monotheism of any kind looks pretty much the same, and committed Monotheists of any kind are ‘extremists’ in their book.

        God Bless,

        OKGC

        • DeusLoVult

          Oh well, the stupid people will die along with the hajji slime they support. Then, when it’s all over, I’m going to sit back, have some Southern sweet, homemade, and rest for a little while. What about you, any plans for the afterlife?

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            Sounds like a good plan, lol. Me? I’m going to spend some time in forever, should I be in Heaven, talking to everybody else there. So many new loved ones, and forever in which to enjoy their company, and no sadness at all.

          • DeusLoVult

            I hope the Three Stooges are there. lol All the people I could meet, and I want to talk THEM. We could pull some pranks on Michael……no sadness….that will be nice……it’s been a very long time since I’ve felt any happiness. I think I’ll just hike up some Heavenly mountains and stay there for a while……relaxing. (with some homemade Southern sweet tea obviously)

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            Thinking of Heaven, is part of Heaven today, right now. For the Elect of God, this fallen world is as bad as it ever gets. For the Damned, this fallen world is as good as it will ever be for them after death, in their Place.

            In Christ,

            OKGC

          • DeusLoVult

            Well said, OA. Every day for me, and for you too I am certain, is a battle. In more ways than one.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            But when you know and are assured that the Conquering Victor ‘has your back’ when you call on Him, is the means to keep going even when you get knocked down.

            I must repeat hundreds maybe even thousands of times a day the ‘Jesus Prayer’ in my Heart now. It has transformed my life, the Holy Name always burning in my Heart, so that no assault from the Prince of this World can ultimately harm me.

            “Lord Jesus Christ, Only Son of God, Have Mercy on Me, A Sinner”

            Glory and Adoration to the most Holy Trinity!

            OKGC

          • DeusLoVult

            Yes, that is always nice, to able to rely on Jesus, when no one else will help you. I will remember that prayer.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            1 Thessalonians 5:16-18

            ” Rejoice always, pray continually, give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.”

            Matthew 6:6

            “But thou when thou shalt pray, enter into thy chamber, and having shut
            the door, pray to thy Father in secret: and thy Father who seeth in
            secret will repay thee.”

            Your ‘Chamber’ that is secret, whose door is to be shut, is in your Heart. And the Prayer that is continuous praise and thanks to the Lord Jesus…. This is that Prayer from the earliest ages of the Church. His Name Is Holy, and He Is His Name.

            In Christ Jesus,

            OKGC

          • DeusLoVult

            Yes, thank you. God bless you OA. 🙂

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            Your welcome, good sir! More bread for your journey!

            You have a good night, i’m off to prepare for my night.

            God bless,

            OKGC

          • DeusLoVult

            I’ll need lots of bread, so as to curb my rather sizable appetite. 🙂
            Good night, and God bless.

          • andrea

            Amen

  • Willing to die for Jesus

    Well, Walid is showing you Christian hospitality letting you come in here and laugh and providing you “comic relief”, but we’ll see who has the last laugh. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob isn’t a joke – like your saint Obama.

  • CarriedbyGrace

    This is fascinating. About two years ago, the Lord pressed heavy on my spirit to keep an eye on Erdogan. At the time, I didn’t even know who he was. Now, seeing this and other articles, it confirms the Lord is showing us, through the Holy Spirit, those things to be watchful of. We can be easily fooled and we must pray for discernment, confirmation and God’s voice to clearly guide us in the coming days. Things, imho, are going to get seriously dark from September on. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind and soul! We shall soon see his coming! ; }

  • CarriedbyGrace

    It is said that the “little horn” is coming to the UN on September 25th, 2015 to announce the details of “Post 2015 Sustainable Development Agenda” which is basically an announcement of the Global (One World) Government. After perusing the UN website for documentation on this “Post 2015 SDA”, I find it very possible for things to change dramatically come September. Any thoughts on that? ; }

  • OrthodoxKGC2015

    I notice you still didn’t address the specific issue of mr. Shoebat’s ideas, and yet I look at yours and it’s laughable, because you accuse of paranoia while saying Russia and China are threats to the United States, when the opposite is pretty much the case. Russia or China have bases in Mexico, or are they stirring up an rabidly Anti-American regime, which ethnically cleanses areas which don’t support it, in Canada?

    You’re right about the US Economy, I’ll give you that, what with the outsourcing of jobs overseas and all, and the ‘free-trade’ agreements.And you’re right about the environment and overpopulation, and the unsustainability of the Modern Age. But that’s where the Antichrist comes in, with false solutions….

    I for one never said Erdogan was the Antichrist, he could be, but i’m not sure. What I will say is that fallen humanity is begging for a savior, and yet not one that will change their fallen nature, but coddle and nurture it.

    Regards,

    OKGC

  • OrthodoxKGC2015

    MM, you said;

    “What points? Erdogan is the anti-Christ?”

    Strawman. Mr. Shoebat never said Erdogan was, but that he is a candidate, which is interesting given his read on Biblical Prophesy.

    “The political maneuverings in Turkey? How they are tied together? Not sure what points you want me to address?”

    Cute evasion, because my original post was asking you to talk to Mr. Shoebat instead of smearing him as a ‘paranoid’, and address his particular take on the End Times.

    “Time often is the best judge in determining who was correct or
    wrong. In the years to come lets come to this thread and see how
    things played out. ”

    On the face of it I admit that this sounds like a good idea, I’ll give you that due you. But, as the old saying goes; ‘forewarned is forearmed’, and this applies to these things as well. It’s like seeing a canary in a mineshaft; if it dies, you’re going to be in trouble shortly thereafter.

    “By then those who believe in the anti-Christ will be looking for him not in Turkey but on Wall Street”

    I know what you’re hinting at, I understand the physics of money and the money power all too well, the seemingly endless well of hypothecated fiat financial instrumentation being milked at speeds of millionths of a second every moment, but i’ll say that most astute thinkers on the End Times recognize the worldwide ‘spirit of Antichrist’ which is collective, and a ‘personal Antichrist’, who will arise out of that ‘Sea’ of ‘collective Antichristianity’. Islam is just part of the pieces, the religious part which is the most important. Why? The reality of ‘Peak Oil’, and not in the manner most have been told.

    “As for Russia and China, they ARE the biggest threats to the US
    militarily. If you doubt the threat they pose – then then ask their
    neighbors how they feel.”

    China historically can say they have more to fear from Japan. And Russia? They WERE their ‘neighbors’, one prosperous economic and social unit, divided up by enemies over the past 100 years. Russia has been invaded by further ‘neighbors’, rather unfriendly ones, who invaded about 30 times in the past 300 years. They lose the wars, and Russia expanded. The last time a ‘neighbor’ invaded, it cost Russia 27 million human lives… So don’t speak to me of Russia’s ‘threat’ to her neighbors; they want her strategic location in the Heartland of Eurasia, in geopolitical thinking, and her resources, and want her people dead or conquered slaves. I’ve debated people right here who admitted as much, and elsewhere.

    “As critical as I am on the US, there is ZERO doubt in my mind that the world is a safer place with the US in it.”

    The United States started something it can’t finish without seeking global hegemony, and should never have started on that path. It will be the ruin of us and the world, the consequences of getting involved in WWI in 1917. Give it time, just as you say, and we shall see.

    Best regards,

    OKGC

  • susan

    Time will tell if this is suspicious nonsense or not.

  • Jeff Benton

    Hey, thanks for the advice… feeling a lil better today, lets see if it lasts… just slept a boatload the past few days… Will give the Cayenne Pepper a try…

  • susan

    True Sorry about that. I stand corrected. Anyway, time will reveal.

  • shauna stephens

    Iran & Turkey aren’t allies, Turkey defeats Iran and then they have no choice but to follow the Beast.