Muslim Scholars Worldwide Declare Erdogan To Be The Supreme Leader For The Entire Muslim World

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By Walid Shoebat (Sunday Special Bonus)

After the failed coup in Turkey, a crucial letter of allegiance granted to Erdogan by all Muslim scholars globally was sent from none other than Sheikh Yusuf Qaradawi, president of the World Federation of Muslim Scholars. Qaradawi represents all Sunni Muslim scholars globally. He even tweeted some of its contents. The excerpts from this letter was shared in every media in the Middle East. From the Arab world to Turkey, every Arabic speaking media covered it with zero mention in the West. It consists of what many viewed as a direct command from heaven itself to Erdogan declaring that “Allah” including “the angelic host” and “the saints” appointed Erdogan to be given allegiance by all Muslims including all Muslim scholars from all four corners of the globe:

“Allah is with you and all Arab and Muslim nations are with you including all freedom loving people are with you. We, all the Muslim scholars, in the four corners of the globe, are with you. The Angel Gabriel and the righteous one [in heaven] are with you. And after that the angels will be revealed.

We are all with you. It is because you have stood with righteousness against evil. You are with justice against injustice…

Dear President, lead Turkey as you wish and as we wish … we will be with you giving you strength and will support your party and your loyalists as Allah instructed “O ye who believe fear Allah and stand with the righteous …”

 

The “righteous one” or Saleh Al-Mumineen according to the majority of Muslim jurisprudence is Ali whom the shiites adore. This will include all Shiites. “The angelic host,” he proclaims that after such allegiance “will appear”.

In Islam, this is a sign of the end of the world when the angelic host descend on earth and from a Christian perspective this is the casting of the fallen angels which Daniel the prophet spoke about.

Islam’s angels seem to even have resemblances of The Luminous One’s minion. In the Qur’ân’s Night of Vision (Muhammad’s visitation) the Qur’an reveals:

“The angelic host descend [to earth] in it with the spirit by command of the their Lord. Peace shall it be until the rising of the Dawn” (Morning star, Q:97)

This ‘spirit’ and how is Allah the “lord of angels” and “spirits” is what prophecy confirmed when God casts the devil out unto earth:

“And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: “Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ. For the accuser of our brothers, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.” (Revelation 12:17)

Erdogan’s success to fight the coup generated much noise in the Middle East. One tweet from the Arab Gulf stated that:

“The Muslim Brotherhood in the gulf elevated the secularist Erdogan to prophethood as if he is the awaited Mahdi”

One Muslim Brotherhood supporter tweeted:

“If you read the media on Al-Jazeera you will find that Turkey is the ‘mother of the world’ and Erdogan is the ‘awaited Mahdi'”.

Mefail Hizli, the chief Mufti of Ankara announced after the failed coup that:

“I have seen the prophet of Allah in my sleep asking me to direct the Turkish people towards Erdogan”.

Hizli was the Mufti to denounce Pope Francis. When the Pope described the Armenian Genocide as “the first genocide of the 20th century,” the Grand Mufti of Ankara threatened:

“the Pope’s statements will only speed up the process of opening Hagia Sophia to Muslim worshipers.”

What this means is the speeding process of abominations of desolations.

One crucial point is that Arabs by large vehemently reject Erdogan’s messiahship. They simply laugh off any hint of Erdogan being ‘Caliph’ or ‘Mahdi’. This is perhaps why in Ezekiel 38 “Sheba and Dedan” (the Arabs) mock him “have you come to take booty”? They basically call Gog “a thief”. This is a crucial point showing that the state of things today do match what scriptures predicted. One Arab writer expresses the general sentiment regarding Erdogan:

“Erdogan must not bring us backwards 500 years when the Ottoman Empire invaded our country in the Battle of Marj Dabiq 1516 and laid on our chests 400 years were ignorance, injustice, tyranny and backwardness prevailed in the Arab nation. All this regressed us behind world civilization and the result was that the European West advanced while we were left behind by adhering to the mentality of the Ottoman colonization of our region that we’ve become easy prey to European colonialism and then to the US. Should we go back to 1930s when France conspired to colonize Syria where they picked off Iskenderun unjustly and falsely from mother Syria and annexed it to Turkey? Erdogan conspiracy with America revealed Erdogan’s genitalia and shown the truth that the Atlantic alliance is hostile to the Arab nation, no matter how many times Erdogan wears that Islamic mask claiming he is provoked to jealousy for the Arab people when in reality he is greedy…”

When Arabs reject Erdogan as “prince of the faithful” or as “chief prince of Meshech and Tubal” (Turkey), in reality they ‘prove’ and not ‘disprove’ scripture which foretold that Arabs will turn down the Antichrist’s messiahship.

You have to be an Arab to recognize what to westerners seem to be ‘biblical anomalies’. Solving such anomalies is perhaps the purpose of my life being an Arab.

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  • Indian Christian Crusader

    correct me if I am wrong, the Arabs largely reject the Antichrist? And are destroyed by the antichrist in the end? What about Omani people, Oman follows tame Ibadi form of Islam, that rejects both Sunni and Shia interpretations and have largely been neutral and out of any major conflict with any Western nation or Israel. What happens to them? Is places like Oman included in the end time destruction of Arabia? If Mecca gets destroyed in some conflict, where does the seat of Islam shift to? Jerusalem or Istanbul?

    Is it possible that in the end both the sons of Ishmael and Isaac, unite against the Antichrist?

    • “the Arabs largely reject the Antichrist? And are destroyed by the antichrist in the end?”

      Yes to both. Also notice “There is Edom, her kings [plural], and all her princes [plural], which with their might are laid by them that were slain by the sword: they shall lie with the uncircumcised, and with them that go down to the pit” (Ezekiel 32:29)

      In the strict sense, Edom is comprised of the southern parts of Jordan but here the text states “her kings” (plural). This encompasses Arabia and all their kings. In many passages, Edom has come to represent the greater portion of the enemies that live to her south and east of Israel.

    • Indian, do you read Urdu by any chance?

      • Indian Christian Crusader

        I can speak and understand Urdu to large extent along with Hindi, as Urdu is a more ‘Islamized’ version of Hindi along with Persian and Arabic words in it, but I cannot write or read the Urdu script unfortunately. North Indians and Pakistanis used to intermingle and inter-move between each other’s lands before the partition. Urdu is still one of the official languages in India and used in most Muslim publications as well as in Kashmir. It has many Arabic and Persian words in it. It was the official court language along with Persian, in India’s Mughal and other larger Muslim empire that ruled for nearly 1000 years.

  • Trevor

    Here, brother Walid.

    http://i.imgur.com/qDB6ZOe.png

    PS… My wife and I brought the Gifts today at Mass. Very humbling to be literally carrying the blood of Christ in my hands while my wife brought the bread.

    • I am lost, is this a cover for a book you are writing?

      • Trevor

        No. It’s a poster.

        • Who made it and why? So you got communion? Apostolic Succession?

          • Trevor

            I made it because that kind of picture have been stuck in my head.

            No…I didn’t get communion. My wife and I tried to protest that we weren’t Catholics, but the lady insisted, so we went along. It was all I could do to not weep, even though during the liturgy I was apologizing profusely to the Lord silently, “Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.” And that was…at…St. Mary Catholic.

          • AnthonyM

            At the bringing of the gifts to the alter, the bread and wine have not yet been consecrated, so it would be OK.
            Good you are concerned about doing the right thing.

          • Trevor

            Thank you… It makes me feel better.

          • Grandmere

            It was an honor to be asked to present the gifts of the people- soon to become the Body and the Blood of our Savior, Jesus Christ. It is a humbling experience. I am so very happy for you.

          • I see. You prayed the best of prayers.

            Can I use the poster?

          • Trevor

            Absolutely! It’s why I made it.

          • Julie

            God bless you! I didn’t know til now

            You should go to the pastor to introduce yourself. The lady who insisted had no idea you were not initiated into the Church, but that is O K…it is as if the Lord Himself is calling you to come in formally as you are already ‘there’.

          • Trevor

            Oh thank you Julie.

          • Grandmere

            They were awarded the honor to present the gifts of the people.

  • Ezekiel 38,39 the Lord is clearly here.

    In both battles—Gog and Armageddon—Christ is present with the greatest earthquake: “And all the men that are upon the face of the earth shall shake at my presence.” (Ezekiel 38:20)

    Who is present? God is present—in the flesh. This is indeed the last battle, with Jesus scoring a great victory on behalf of his people against their enemies.

    If one doubts that Messiah is on earth, the text in verse 7 should leave no doubt. “And the heathen shall know that I am Jehovah, the Holy One in Israel,” (39:7).

    Did you see that?

    The Holy One is in Israel.

    Other parts of Scripture use the phrase “the Holy One of Israel,” but here the Messiah is actually present on the Earth in the Land of Israel.

    This “in” is crucial. It’s like DNA evidence in a court of law.

    No serious Bible student can doubt the fact that this event is anything other than the Messiah fighting the Antichrist.

    We also have verse 19, which states, “My fury shall come up in my face.” (Ezekiel 38:18). This is a literal face—he is furious and angry.

    Not only is Christ present, but the destruction of both Gog and the Antichrist is accompanied by an earthquake of unparalleled proportions: “For in my
    jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken. Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground,” (Ezekiel 38:19-20).

    • Julie

      I also think we are at Ezekiel 38 – 39…but so much happening…tying all together…

      The book…’Splendor of Creation’, by Fr Joseph Ianuzzi ponders the writings of the Early Church Fathers, mystics, and other theologians about the forthcoming millenial…where we have a great period of peace….and here is where I would think the Jews would live out the fulness of their faith in Christ…

      I read Fr Ianuzzi studied both Catholic and Protestant apocrypha….and he is falling back on the ECF’s…for the times we live in. I also think what you have contributed is broadening and deepening the whole picture…that I need a time out to really study more.

      Regarding all the Jews and then the final judgement, rather than convert…and then be judged with no testimony of living the Christian life other than recognizing Him as Messiah and Redeemer……

      I tend to agree with others that after Satan is defeated and chained…and the world today willl be different then…we will enter into the Age of the Glory of the Holy Trinity….we now in the Age of Mary.

    • Doc

      Wow.

  • AnthonyM

    I had envisioned that at some point all Muslims globally would be required to pledge to the Caliphate, or they would be considered apostates. If he called down fire from the sky, or similar fake miracle, all muslims might follow him. It will be interesting what Muslim citizens of other countries do then. Who do they obey, the Caliph or their President?
    Erdogans crackdown after the failed coup may reduce his likelihood of joining the EU. Though the EU seems to be splintering and morphing into a military arm.
    Does Gulen living in PA have to now worry about being deported by Obama? Or will he get simply run over?

    • “I had envisioned that at some point all Muslims globally would be required to pledge to the Caliphate, or they would be considered apostates.”

      This will take some time Anthony. Lets give it seven more years for starters. What if Erdo croaks. I will get a storm of comments declaring I was “debunked” even though I never said the man was 100% AC. It was a close call the other day. Anthony, my friend with the Rosary will even probably begin to doubt my ability to post accurate information 😉 and will unsubscribe (Allah forbid).

      • AnthonyM

        Yes, seven more years for starters, I’m with you. It will pass quickly as time flys.

        • Julie

          Doesn’t Erdogan mention 2023…as did the head of Azerbaijan who said they will run the Armenians out by then so better start packing now?

          • richinnameonly

            2023 is a target date he set to have his plans completely set in place.

          • Julie

            I was thinking about that date in linear time….

            Let me see….people my generation would be too old to fight…except we have our prayers and the Cross…so we are going to still be Mary’s heel….

      • Tom_mcewen

        The way Erdogan followers slaughtered the soldiers was pure evil, in the best traditions of ISIS. This started out evil, it will either grow or die, but in its nature it is evil. The Europeans need to grow some backbone soon or Europe will be overwhelmed by Turkey. Russia is the only wildcard, not the US it is in Erdogan camp.

        • Julie

          I pray Russia will be the help.

      • Gloria

        I imagined if Erdogan dies first (my husband keeps saying that he thinks he might) he has played a significant part in setting the stage for the real AC. It seems too perfect for it to be unrelated to what we know will come.

      • Doc

        How old is Erdogan? Does he have a son? People have been looking for the Antichrist for centuries, so I would not be surprised if the “real” Antichrist turns out to be his successor. You are right we will have to wait and see.

        • Grandmere

          He is 61 and has two sons and two daughters.

    • richinnameonly

      This is a reason why it’s so foolish to allow a lot of “peaceful, moderate Muslims” into a country. There may come a time when they are forced to join a violent jihad or have their own necks on the line. I can’t see a benefit to a Muslim population in a non-Muslim nation, period. It’s like taking in baal worshipers or Nazis.

  • Ceirwyn

    It’s like watching a movie; people are so stupid. It’s becoming obvious why so many will die before this is over.

    • Brenda

      I know what you mean, it’s amazing how so many evil people are also brain dead misfits basically being led by other evil people who are genius.

  • DANTEcrossingtheRiverStyx

    When I look at Erdogan in the picture of Erdogan and Qaradawi I see the face of a peacock.

    • DANTEcrossingtheRiverStyx

    • DANTEcrossingtheRiverStyx

      It never ends well for a man who claims to be God.
      Acts 12: 21-23 King James Version (KJV)

      21 And upon a set day Herod, arrayed in royal apparel, sat upon his throne, and made an oration unto them.

      22 And the people gave a shout, saying, It is the voice of a god, and not of a man.

      23 And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.

  • This is still not yet THE allegiance. We must wait.

    • jami

      Iv heard frm a turk national dat Erdogan is only preparing the way for the real Caliph and it seems he wud be sumone young and he has a mark on his back. This Caliph will be declared in 2023

  • Very difficult question to answer. Timing is not my specialty.

  • Michael Lochmoeller

    I like to watch a preacher named Paul Begley, he has a daily online broadcast, and a youtube channel. Lately he has been saying we have entered the age of the apocalypse. I think he’s right. A couple years ago he had Walid as a guest on his broadcast. It would be cool if Walid was on his show again.

    • Grandmere

      I lovingly suggest that you give Begley a very wide berth. I believe Walid would agree with me. If you want to ask him why, he will be happy to explain. I always try to keep things short.

      • The only part of Paul Begley I listened to was “Are you SERIOUS? WHAAAAAAAAAAT? ARE…YOU…SERIOUS?
        It offered a very brief moment of comic relief.

        • Grandmere

          There ya go! He is funny.

      • Michael Lochmoeller

        I have never heard begley say anything bad about walid. He gave walid credit recently for his good reporting on Orlando and Turkey.

  • The whole letter was not shared by Qaradawi, just portions.

  • The Lord is risen

    Whys that guy dressed up as Santa Claus?

    • Grandmere

      That is non other than Santa Qaradawy. I hope I spelled his name right. I wouldn’t want him to put out a fatwa on me because of a stray vowel.

  • ezekiel22

    Things seem to be moving faster and faster. Even my pastor knows we are in prophetic times without even mentioning events in Turkey. Just to let you know I did write to Hal Lindsey about certain events and dispensationalism and again he refuses to reply. I am pretty sure why which is sad.
    I am one of those that believes that Erdogan staged this coup in order to gain more control. I am pretty sure that there are now masses of people asking who can stand against Erdogan.
    Since Turkey has made this treaty with Israel I can only think of how Jerusalem will be trampled under the feet of the gentiles for 36 months. I can see an invasion of so called Muslim pilgrims invading Jerusalem much like the refugees in Europe. It won’t take long now.
    I still think that Turkey will become a peacekeeping presence in Syria. I know it sounds silly but Erdogan likes to build himself up. ISIS has accomplished what it was meant to and their fate should be the same as that of Hitler’s Brownshirts. He eliminated them.

  • JigglyPuff

    Walid is saying that Jesus, at the end, comes down from being at the right hand of the Father, and starts fighting the Muslims.
    These would be when Mary says turn the water (nations) into wine (blood)

    From what I can see.

  • Smith

    Ao we should be more attuned when Arabas reject rather that embrace Erdogan? Interesting. I believe either he or his successor is the AntiChrist, no doubt about it

  • Taurnil Oronar

    So then, it’s the Jews fault? Now where have I heard that before?

  • Taurnil Oronar

    Once again Walid you have given me food for thought. My ignorance confuses me, I thought all that lived in the middle east for the most part were Arab. Being a dumb westerner is a hinderance. Have you done any articles in the past about the differences between Arab and other terms used to describe peoples in the middle east? From ancient times to present?

    Forgive the questions, I am like one of the four blind men touching an elephant and trying to describe what it is without knowing.

  • Trevor

    I thought I made that clear…

  • That word ‘coming’ is parousia. It’s meaning is from the moment of his arrival and the duration of his stay. His coming is not just the moment when he appears. He will war against anti Christ/Gog which means such a wicked ruler has already set up his tyranny. This is exactly what Paul said in 2 Thess as to the timing of the Lords return and our gathering to him. Precisely that second coming, parousia commences at the sixth seal. Rev. 6:12-17

  • You are right Walid. That fact of the Arabs rejection of Gog would have been lost to me. one of the reasons I look forward to your articles. You have insight from personal experience and first hand knowledge of the area.

  • Gloria

    “You have to be an Arab to recognize what to westerners seem to be ‘biblical anomalies’. Solving such anomalies is perhaps the purpose of my life being an Arab.”
    Brother Walid, I am thankful the Lord is using you in this way and that you are willing. I know you take a lot of abuse for it from many sides.

  • The case of picking a verse while ignoring the whole of scripture is classic. Antichrist, besides being called “the Assyrian” is also called “King of Babylon” and “Pharaoh of Egypt”. Must he then be born in Egypt and in Iraq? Yet you insist on him being born in Assyria which encompassed half of Turkey.

    This is a flawed argument, especially that no text insists on his birthplace but on the region he rules. Christ said Pergamum and Ezekiel said “chief prince of Meshech and Tubal”. But I know, now you will try to refute that Gog is Antichrist, but before you do that, examine all the verses in our articles and refute these which you can’t. Good day.

  • Lidia

    Excellent overview of Catholic prophecies. I think it will take more than 200 years to bring back civilization. I am thinking more like 1,000 years.
    All I see lately on the internet is about WW3 coming soon. It’s sounds more like a nuclear war so I don’t think Russia would want to go to these places that they nuked. If they attack Europe or the U.S., they will go underground.
    The only survivors will be the ones that go underground, whether it’s war or natural disaster.
    But what if we don’t have a war, but a catastrophic natural disaster that wipes out 75% of the human population. I was listening to John Moore on tradcatknight and he said that Russia is building large underground cities and that the U.S. military, like the generals, are all settling in the Ozarks.

  • Trevor

    I believe it was Barnabas who said the Antichrist would be a Jew from the tribe of Dan.

    That is a strong argument since the tribe of Dan is not mentioned in Revelation. Also upon Jacob’s death bed, he basically cursed Dan, calling him a viper who cause the horse rider to be cast off.

    • Lay_Monk

      Thanks Trevor!

      I just added Tertullian to my comment (in an edit). He was the Church father that came to my mind when writing it. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were a few. Maybe if there is an expert on our Church fathers and Bible prophecy here they could fill in the gaps 🙂

      • Trevor

        I read a bit of Barnabas’ epistle, and I could not help but detect bitterness toward the Jews. Contrast that with Paul’s Roman epistle where he poured his heart and soul into his thoughts on the Jews in Romans 9-11.

        But you are right about one thing – there has been and will continue to be tension between the Jews and Christians. It was evident from reading the book of Acts all the way to Paul’s journey to Rome under heavy guards. To attack Paul, a Roman citizen, in the eyes of Romans, is to touch Rome itself, and that’s why Jesus chose Paul to be an apostle to the Gentiles because of Paul’s extensive training in the Laws and his dual-citizenship he held.

        • Lay_Monk

          Excellent commentary Trevor.

          I appreciate your further insight into these matters.

  • theophorus

    This is very interesting and something I’ve been thinking might happen. Not sure what the shoebats think. “Kerry warns Turkey NATO membership at risk”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkey-coup-could-threaten-countrys-nato-membership-john-kerry-warns-a7142491.html

    • Doc

      I think Turkey will either withdraw from NATO or will end up owning it.

  • Grandmere

    This has been debunked Don’t fall for a lie.

    • Julie

      If it is Patriarch Krill, then it is good.

  • richinnameonly

    Yes, too many Christians and others think Christianity = pacifism.

  • Grandmere

    Walid has videos on YouTube on the mark. He also had many articles if you want to Google them. YouTube is the fastest way to get an answer right now. Good luck and God bless.

  • Grandmere

    How many YouTube videos did you watch to put that scenario together? About the only things missing are Nibiru and the reptilians. We do appreciate you taking the time to drop by but nahhhh………….

    • richinnameonly

      I think he may get surprised by a “thief in the night”.

    • Lidia

      It’s not youtube videos. It’s in Yves Dupont’s book which Walid approves.

      • Grandmere

        I understand, Lidia. Know about Dupont.

  • Grandmere

    A YouTube video where Nibiru zaps England with some incoming “trash” that is trailing behind it. You can find it mixed in with the flat earth vids.

    • RodK1975

      And the Mandela Effect videos…

  • Julie

    We continue to pray for her conversion. Thanks….

  • I know of nothing in scripture or any Christian writings that would even remotely resemble this scenario.

  • Julie

    The Orthodox have their own churches from national down to regional …all independent different from the Latin Church where all are under the umbrella of the Holy Father and the unity of the bishops.

    Russia became Christian close to the Great Schism and then broke away from the ‘F irst of Equals’, the patriarch of Constantinople….been that way since the late 300’s to 400’s.

    Yes…we would accept the Russian Orthodox Church with Patriarch Krill and if it is under him, he is following directives of the Universal Church. We hope he accept the position of the Patriarch of Constantinople who is wanting full unity with Rome again….

    And the Coptic Church in Egypt has resolved some issues as well…..

    I believe what Christ said at the Last Supper that we all be one so the world may believe….

    • JigglyPuff

      How about the High Anglican church, or Anglo-Catholic as I’ve seen it called.
      Do they have apostolic succession?

      Are they of the Universal Church?

      • Grandmere

        As an Anglo-Catholic I will wait with you to hear. This has been discussed in the past so I what to expect. We do lean in the Orthodox position and they say we have a valid argument to the succession. My Catholic brethren consider us “separated brethren” as many Orthodox might say because of the filoque clause in the Nicene Creed. On that we take the Catholic position. I love my Catholic and Orthodox family and they love me.

        • JigglyPuff

          Thank you for responding!

          I’m what you’d call a Protestant, but Walid has interfered with that and I’m starting to think I do indeed need to join an Apostolic Succession church.

          What do the Orthodox mean by ‘separated brethren’ ~ are they saying Roman Catholics aren’t saved?
          Or simply that the relationship is broken for the time being?

          I’m English and so was sympathetic to the Church of England. But in researching, I see that King Henry rejected the Pope. Wouldn’t that mean he did as Saul did and Samuel rebuked him for that? Doesn’t that mean the CoE has broken Apostolic Succession, regardless of what they practice?
          Genuine question!

          • Grandmere

            You are asking me to open a can of worms. I will dip my toe in the water by offering a link to Anglican/Orthodox relations, particularly here in the US. I also have another link on “The Church In England”. I might get to share that if I don’t get my head blown off. Well, here goes nothin’ http://www.ancientfaith.com/specials/in_the_footsteps_of_tikhon_and_grafton/the_history_of_anglican_orthodox_relations

          • Julie

            I gleaned down Granmere’s reponse to you and she in her spirit is a universal, apostolic Christian…I would sense you are also.

            The Church of Rome was founded by SS Peter and Paul solely for the ecclesia and not for any imperialistic designs.

            It was nationalism that greatly fueled the Lutherans and attach more to their political sense and in this respect, would say the same for the English. Many Englishmen did not want to leave the Catholic Church, and Henry destroyed the monasteries that were supporting their surrounding populations, and the English Catholics suffered greatly in times of persecutions.

            There was an Anglican priest who said as an Anglican he could not teach ‘definitively…’…with assurity. And deep in his soul he felt he was in schism.

            So he entered the Church and can now teach as such and no longer has the sense of the former.

            But I have heard that for some Anglo Catholic priests who are married, the work load is more intense. Priests work very hard all day and into the night, crash and want to be alone.

            So yes, when the Church of England was set up by Henry, it lost apostolic succession and as such does not exist within the Universal Church canonically.

      • Julie

        King Henry 8th made himself head of the Church of England, nationalistic movement. This movement is not ecclesial.

        The Anglicans who have returned to the Universal Church do have their rites, can now teach definitively, and their married priests remain married.

        The Anglo Catholic rite is now under the universal church and in communion with Rome, are returned to apostolic succession.

        The Universal Church is those apostolic believers of the Patriarchs of Jerusalem, Alexandria of Egypt, Antioch of Asia Minor founded by St. Peter, the Patriarch of Constantinople, the Patriarch of Rome. Russian Orthodoxy falls under the Patriarch of Constantinople, the first of equals.

        Right now there is a sad division….Russia does not want to submit to Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople because there are many more Russian Orthodox.

        And within Eastern Orthodoxy, there are many independent orthodox churches.

        Only in the Latin (Roman) Church, do you find the bishops with the head, the seat of Peter…primacy of Peter.

        The papacy represents the faith of all of us, and is the sign of unity.

        I think I was reading that, however, the Russian Orthodox are also trying to get all the Orthodox churches under Patriarch Krill. The Bulgarian and Georgian Orthodox think the Latin Church is heretical.

        I was told locally by several, that the Great Schism was caused mainly by mistranslation, and it is the lower rungs that are preventing the return of the Eastern Orthodox to be re united with the Latin Church. The Eastern Orthodox have a different language, different history, geography, etc…

        The West has systematic theology along with the papacy, and the Eastern Orthodox deep sense of the mystery of faith.

        But all are apostolic. The Latin Church recognizes their sacraments as valid, but the Eastern do not. They essentially believe the same things but the Latin Church has this penchant to explain everything, an answer for every thing, and this greatly bugs the Orthodox.

        I think personally, it looks like the apostles arguing among themselves who wants to sit next to the head honcho or be first.

        It will take alot of prayer and humilty to reunite.

        So for me it is very sad because Christ said his prayer was that we be one so the world may believe.

        Divisions among Christians is the worst thing we can do before the world.

        About the Anglican Church that is still in schism, not full communion with the pope, they are most like us.

        To make a church, you need a bishop. So the Church does recognize the Anglican Church as a valid church, and also some Lutheran churches that have bishops who oversee their flock.

        So in essence the Universal Church, He Ekklesia Katolika, is the Universal Church over all apostolic churches founded by the apostles and have their bishops as successors, have the books of Sacred Scripture, the liturgy and sacraments, the episcopacy…the bishops, and the Creed.

        The Universal Church was so named by St. Ignatius of Antioch in 107 AD on his way to martyrdom.

        • Grandmere

          Thanks, sis.

          • Julie

            You have no schism in you, dear one.

  • JigglyPuff
  • Lay_Monk

    Father Fahey wrote a book called ‘The Kinship of Christ and the Conversion of the Jewish Nation’ and came to similar conclusions as yours:

    http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/judaism/conversion.htm

    It’s an excellent read for those looking to examine a similar point of view on Bible prophecy. It has many rich insights about the Kingdom of Christ versus the Kingdom of Antichrist.

    I don’t believe a person has to have everything in Bible prophecy perfectly accurate in order to be saved. The purpose of Bible prophecy is to let Christians in generations like ours know that days like this would come and we need to persevere until the end. It also gives us the ability to watch for the signs as these events unfold to help embolden our faith in the midst of persecution (or the threat of it).
    I’m not sold on the Catholic monarch idea. Walid’s work is also supported by past Catholics saints and seems to better fit with the present realities of our world.

    A) The Jewish population is about 13-15 million people worldwide.
    B) Islam has about 1.3/1.5 billion people worldwide.

    Even with the technologies we have today, even including any that have been supressed from the public, it seems unrealistic to me that the Jewish nation and people could rule the entire world. They’d still need boots on the ground of every nation, and that would spread them thinly to say the least.

    It is true that communism is rising, it’s also true that Islam is deeply embedded into the left and has co-opted the right in modern times, in particular. Both Islam and communism are totalitarian ideologies and fit like hand in glove. Communism is helping bring about the conditions required to conquer Western civilisation and usher in Islamic rule.

    If you ask me the west has already been communised/socialised. We have central banks. We have welfare. We have employment benefits that put small family businesses out of business. We have ‘universal health care,’ no charity needed. We have the far left to the left and the moderate left to the right. We also have hoards of Muslim Turks flooding into Europe and the rest of the world, as well as other Muslims in general. We have countless Mosques built or being built in former Christian nations, often in part being funded by Turkey. We have politicians and secular media outlets who continue to obediently serve both the communist and Islamic agenda.

    Communism and Islam are two sides of the same coin, Satan/Lucifer.
    Thanks for sharing your personal view of Bible prophecy with us Coombes Larry. Time will eventually reveal who gets Bible prophecy ‘most’ right when the cards finally fall.

  • Pamela Sage

    Another scary thing, according to an article I saw today on Fox News, Erdogan was sending trucks out on the streets that following Islamic sermons were broadcasting chants of Erdogan’s name to a beat and working the crowds into a frenzy. He is sounding ever more like Hitler. It’s as if Hitler was Lucifer’s attempt to try to prevent the fulfillment of end-time prophecies by wiping out the Jews before the founding of Israel. Now he is trying to play according to script by raising his Antichrist. The same demonic presences seem to inhabit both Hitler and Erdogan as often observed on this site. What I can’t fathom is that Lucifer still seems to think he can triumph in the end, such is his pride.

  • Lay_Monk

    Father Fahey wrote a book called ‘The Kinship of Christ and the Conversion of the Jewish Nation’ and came to similar conclusions as yours:

    http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/judaism/conversion.htm

    It’s an excellent read for those looking to examine a similar point of view on Bible prophecy. It has many rich insights about the Kingdom of Christ versus the Kingdom of Antichrist.

    I don’t believe a person has to have everything in Bible prophecy perfectly accurate in order to be saved. The purpose of Bible prophecy is to let Christians in generations like ours know that days like this would come and we need to persevere until the end. It also gives us the ability to watch for the signs as these events unfold to help embolden our faith in the midst of persecution (or the threat of it).

    I’m not sold on the Catholic monarch idea. Walid’s work is also supported by past Catholics saints and seems to better fit with the present realities of our world.

    A) The Jewish population is about 13-15 million people worldwide.
    B) Islam has about 1.3/1.5 billion people worldwide.

    Even with the technologies we have today including technologies that might have been supressed from the public, it seems unrealistic to me that the Jewish nation and people could rule the entire world with these numbers. They’d still need boots on the ground of every nation, and that would spread them thinly to say the least.

    It is true that communism is rising, it’s also true that Islam is deeply embedded into the left and has co-opted the right in modern times, in particular. Both Islam and communism are totalitarian ideologies and fit like hand in glove. Communism is helping bring about the conditions required to conquer Western civilisation and usher in Islamic rule.

    If you ask me the west has already been communised/socialised. We have central banks. We have welfare. We have employment benefits that put small family businesses out of business. We have ‘universal health care’ at the expense of tax payers to the benefit of monopoly men. We have government indoctrination education centres known as schools and universities… We have the far left to the left and the moderate left to the right. Many of us are also passively or aggressively hostile towards Christianity.

    On top of all this we have hoards of Muslim Turks flooding into Europe and the rest of the world, as well as other Muslims in general. We have countless Mosques built or being built in former Christian nations, often in part being funded by Turkey direclty. We have politicians and secular media outlets who continue to obediently serve both the communist and Islamic agenda. Communism and Islam are two sides of the same coin i.e. Lucifer.

    Thanks for sharing your personal view of Bible prophecy with us Coombes Larry. Time will eventually reveal who gets Bible prophecy ‘most’ right when the chips finally fall. My money is on Walid’s research being the most accurate. He foresaw the rise of the Ottoman empire that is happening today…

  • Trevor

    It’s cool, man.

  • “I was not writing to be adversarial”

    I know that. Text has no music and re-reading my reply by me ending with “Good day” perhaps sounded abrupt. I was simply sharpening iron sir 🙂 glad to dialogue with you.

  • Trevor

    Try this:

    http://i.imgur.com/OErYZ2J.png

    Look at the highlighted boxes.