The Government Of Russia Just Banned The Jehovah’s Witnesses As A Dangerous Cult

By Theodore Shoebat

The government of Russia just banned the Jehovah’s Witnesses as a dangerous cult, as we read from one report:

Russia has banned Jehovah’s Witnesses after the Supreme Court ruled the Christian sect to be an “extremist” group.

“The Supreme Court has ruled to sustain the claim of Russia’s ministry of justice and deem the ‘Administrative Centre of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia’ organisation extremist, eliminate it and ban its activity in Russia,” said judge Yuri Ivanenko.

“The property of the Jehovah’s Witnesses organisation is to be confiscated to the state revenue.”

A lawyer for the justice ministry, Svetlana Borisova, told the court adherents “pose a threat to the rights of the citizens, public order and public security”.

Judges ordered the closure of the group’s Russian headquarters and 395 local chapters, as well as the seizure of its property.

Lawyers for the Jehovah’s Witnesses said they would appeal the court’s decision, which has not yet come into effect, and could take the case to the European Court of Human Rights.

“We will do everything possible,” Sergei Cherepanov, a Jehovah’s Witnesses representative, was quoted as saying by the Interfax news agency.

In 2010, judges in Strasbourg found a previous ruling by a Russian court to ban the organisation unlawful.

The ministry of justice had previously applied for an order to shut down its national headquarters near St Petersburg, state media reported.

Its administrative centre, which has 175,000 members, had previously been suspended in March over alleged “extremist activity”.

Jehovah’s Witnesses, who are known for door-to-door preaching and handing out literature, reject some of mainstream Christianity’s core beliefs and have more than 8.3 million members around the world.

The US-based group has generated controversy for stances including its rejection of blood transfusions and opposition to military service, facing court proceedings in several countries.

Representatives said hundreds of people gathered at the Russian Supreme Court to hear the six-day case, which they said was the culmination of a decade of “aggressive actions”.

David A Semonian, a spokesman at the sect’s world headquarters in New York, said the ministry of justice had “no basis” for its claims.

He said the ban would put members under threat of criminal prosecution even for praying together in a “violation of our basic human rights”.

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  • filomena seiffert

    does not seam fair to me. If muslim can practice their sect why not others? I had a neighbor who was J. witness, she was very good person and every Sat we met in my home, she read the JW bible I was happy to have somebody to talk about God. I never attend their cults, never promised to leave Catholicism. After many unanswered invitations to attend meetings at Kingdom Hall,she gave up. If they come to my home I tell them I am Catholic and will not change even if the pope tells me so, only Jesus would make me change.

    • infowolf1

      muslims don’t claim to be Christian, these do claim to be Christian but are such a mishmash of every heresy and denial of key Christian they are not Christian.

      • jami

        It’s like your own Family members have turned against you, Muzzys you can forget.

      • As formerly one of them, many years ago I can say ‘I approve this message’.

    • You don’t understand how dangerous this organisation truly is. They will eventually gain control of a persons mind so they will no longer think independent of the leaders. Once this mind control has been accomplished it is very difficult to break it. How many families have been ruined and lives destroyed by this cult.

      • filomena seiffert

        All sects which want to gain adepts are dangerous, their target is the Roman Catholic Church.

    • Marie Halligan

      We know a couple too and they have a Kingdom Hall in Tipp Town. The trouble is,they deny Heaven and Hell not just Purgatory and worst of all, deny Jesus’s Divinity, so they are not really Christians.Their doctrine is extremely heretical and strange.

  • Kamau41

    Excellent!! A very righteous stance by the Russian Gov’t.

  • jami

    Well done Russia. Come take them down in Germany too. They are everywhere standing with their boards on the streets. They seem like abnormal Christians having another belief. Anything that goes away from Christianity seems abnormal and fake to me. There are soon many cults and beliefs here in Europe, my goodness they have their own churches with a Person speaking something and they singing songs like lala lala happy songs and it’s made like to make it not so boring and later there is coffee and cake whatever you like. There is no Holy Eucharist, but a piece of bread is given to each one. And when you ask them , they say look the Christian Churches are empty , nobody goes there , it’s so boring out there , here in jehovahs churches it’s fun and you can meet people and talk. Lord have Mercy for they Merry while ignoring the suffering you went through on the Cross. There is this certain get together’s they do on Sundays without communion. These are all cults. Come Russians Europe needs you more.

    • Marie Halligan

      A couple of young ones with English accents knocked my door during Lent last year and asked me did I want to come to the Kingdom Hall in Tipp Town on Good Friday to ” celebrate Jesus’s DEATH!”!!!?? I was so stunned,I said nothing and they walked off with little smirks on their faces.Needless to say,I never went near the place and the leaflet went straight in the bin!I should have told them “NO-I’ll be going to the church up the road for the Stations of the Cross and I will be going to Mass on Easter Sunday to celebrate Jesus’s RESURRECTION,which is what the two of YE should be doing as well!” I could kick myself for being so blind-sided by the brazen little madams!

      • jami

        You did an Awesome job. God’s love is in you.

  • racarrera

    Good. Russia has a national Christianity which is the soul of the nation, and has been since 988 A.D. They do not need third-rate American cults coming in to infiltrate their culture at all.

    • jami

      Gud info. Racca

    • filomena seiffert

      Why not ban all protestants and muslim?

      • Стефан Евгений

        They are working on it filomena.

      • Kamau41

        Be patient, it’s a matter time.

      • Higlac

        Why do you want ALL Protestants to be banned? Don’t you realise that some of them truly love Jesus and His Father as much as anybody can possibly do???

        Look, I understand your bitterness against those who’ve insulted and attacked you and your faith; however, there ARE people within their ranks who’re as prepared to welcome and befriend you as a Christian as they could welcome anybody of the same faith regardless of your being Orthodox, Protestant or Romanist. For example, I know that one of my best friends before he lapsed into paganism (many years after we became close friends) was a fervent Catholic. I also maintain friendships with a lady-Lutheran and her Presbyterian husband (they’re another two of my VERY BEST friends); my newest minister-confessor is a Lutheran who however has LOTS of sympathy for Orthodoxy, and my brother is gravitating back from agnosticism (his and my father was militantly atheist!!!!) to Orthodoxy – and bringing both his children along, perhaps also with his wife (started out as Anglican, then ended up in the Assemblies of God).

        Yes, some Anglicans and Lutherans – and even some Presbyterians and Methodists (my first serious father-confessor was “United Church of Canada”, which was part of my upbringing – but he had his faith ROCK-SOLID and refused to partake in any of the heresies and apostasies which have swallowed up that entire denomination as with the rest of mainstream-Protestantism, and he had much respect for Catholicism) – care for real ecumenism in the best sense of the word; and as the Marxists who’ve taken over keep on booting out the good ones, enough of them end up joining either Orthodoxy or Catholicism (e.g., via Anglicanorum Cœtibus).

        I urge you to be a bit more merciful and lenient here. [Of course, it’s a VERY different matter with Moslems: those are openly-apostate ipso facto!!!] Yes, given what I know of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, I’m not sorry to see that cult have trouble; however, one doesn’t need to boot ALL Protestantism from Russia.

        • filomena seiffert

          My comment was not to imply that the others must be banned, my point is the picking and choose. There are good people in all faith, not the majority though. It seamed unfair that one sect was punished and others not. There is not more insidious treacherous sects then some Protestants deviation, I can say that because I know what they did to the faith in Brasil where the greater majority were Catholics, simple people that protestants manage to convince the Catholic faith would lead them to hell. Today one can find little protestant “churches” on every corner attracting the young with parties, dancing and those fake cures. I have relatives apostate. I have heard the ex protestant pastors telling what they did to the people, going door to door and convincing them to destroy the little altars they had in their homes, using fear o hell because the Catholic Faith is pagan, Babilonia and all the crap satan comes up with to destroy the work of God

          • Higlac

            God Knows what kind of “Christians” enough of those Brazilian Protestants happen to be. Certainly I’ve ZERO patience with those who want to harm a branch or denomination in order to help another one rise up in its place – without genuinely-good reasons!!! [Their fruit sooner or later proves itself as being defective at best, evil at worst – here I can totally empathise with your pain and frustration.]

            One thing I liked in North America about the Reverend Billy Graham was that he absolutely NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER spoke in terms of people converting to any branch or denomination. He ALWAYS emphasised that people were to go to church relative to what they supposedly adhere to. This way he was – and is – respected and welcomed – if I recall correctly – by all serious Catholics, Orthodox AND Protestants.

            The trouble with Russia is that they insist that the ONLY church Russian Christians should belong to is the Russian Orthodox Church – and that everybody and everything else are unpatriotic and heretical. It’s this ecclesiastical subservience to the Russian state (present ever since the days of Carj {Tsar} Pjótr Aljeksjéjevich Rómanov, known to history as Peter the Great) that is troublesome. [This pressure is not dissimilar to how the Chinese Communists are trying to force all their population into their government-controlled “Three-Self Patriotic Movement”, which in China however strives to stymie the entire Christian faith.]

          • filomena seiffert

            I know if they all belonged the Russian orthodox faith it would be a little paradise on earth for the Russian people, if it is not forced. Christianity is not a religion of blunt force but a faith guide by the Holy Spirit and must be free choice for God never forced Himself on anyone. I can understand Putin also, he is trying to get his people united not divided. Sects have proven they divide people, create confusion, wars, persecution and cruelty. Any government has the right to ban any group which are created those things. In Brasil, protestants wanted to eliminate the day dedicated to the patron saint of Brasil, Our Lady Aparecida, they did not succeeded but force the approval of a holy day for for their cults. Some of the politicians are Protestant and they are full of prejudice, they are called the bullet group in the House of the representatives. The law in Brasil give all sects an religion the same rights.

        • Filip

          Jesus said, If you love me.. you will obey my teaching.. Those who love my Father will do his will… Tell me, do protestants do these things? by denying the Eucharist? The saints of the Lord?…

          • Higlac

            Do broad-to-high Anglicans or Lutherans deny the Eucharist? Do they deny the saints of the Lord? Do they ignore Christ’s Teaching or His Father’s Will?

            It generally seems to me that for the most part they don’t. [Low Anglicans, being Protestant, can be more fairly so accused; and the definite majority of Lutherans likewise. The “high” Lutherans, at least in North America, are but a small proportion of the total…]

        • Taurnil Oronar

          Look at this way; the Catholic Church is clear about the Trinity, it’s a fact. The Church is the authority on the matter. Do you expect the Church to accept the preaching that takes away from the Trinity? Putin, representing their government accepts the Church’s authority on the matter and takes the governmental approach.

          I understand the point you are trying to make but as I see, it his action is the extension of the Church’s position. The remaining question is; how do you handle those persistent in defying? At some point I imagine the Church to disregard anything not according to the Gospel/God’s Word. Though in Putin’s/a governments position I suspect such persistence to be a little more, erm, forceful.

          • Higlac

            It’s not a question of the Church accepting preaching that denies or belittles the Holy Trinity of Father, Son and Holy Ghost – that was the very least of my intentions.

            All I wished to emphasise is the need for some moderation and temperance relative to wishing to ban ALL Protestantism in Russia. No more, no less. [After all, enough Anglicans and even some Lutherans do NOT deny the Eucharist – to the contrary, they speak of it with greatest reverence. A few Anglican churches (e.g., St. Mary Magdalene’s in Toronto) speak of their services as Masses. Furthermore, those particular “high-churches” don’t deny the saints of the Lord either (their problems, common – alas – to all too many Catholics and even a few “Orthodox”, is the attempt to use “gender-neutral, inclusive language” – which most certainly is a MARXIST attempt to weaken and undermine the faith!!!!!]

            I really was NOT – repeat, NOT – out to provoke a theological debate!!! I’m well aware of the various problems out there – it’s just that I don’t, sadly, quite fully trust the Russian Orthodox Church to truly speak independently of the Russian State. [Furthermore, if the Russian Orthodox Church would allow for certain groups using Western-style services (à la Rome, high-Anglican and perhaps even a thing or two from the Baptists) in areas where it’s in competition with such denominations in Russia, it could thus broaden its appeal and so draw back those tempted to depart from it (and in this way it could blunt some of the criticism it receives from the West). Yes, this could make me a target of those who believe anything but the standard Orthodox service and liturgy is heresy or even apostasy – those are merely thoughts for you all (as you see fit) to toss around…]

            Thank you so very much for bearing with me…

    • Стефан Евгений

      That is why Russians don’t trust them they are funded and controlled from the US.
      Here is a interview of the inner workings of JWs in Russia.
      http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/78966.htm
      It’s myunderstanding they were warned repeatedly

      • filomena seiffert

        That m be true but they are not the only ones. Many pastors of all protestant branches are spies for CIA everywhere on the planet, like every american diplomat is an agent.

      • Oh boy here we go. Another article to read from my favourite Orthodox site! Thanks for this.

        • Стефан Евгений

          I take the English side with a grain of salt. The English side is ran by an American Konvertsy nutter.

          • Grandmere

            Dat funny

          • Стефан Евгений

            Konvertsy, is a Russian-American word…. Konvert in Russian is a Envelope. So is it full, empty, or is the flap stuck?

      • Wow, that interview brought back a lot of memories. Memories I wish to leave in the dead past. Of course, everything he said is true. I have that book “Crisis of Conscience” and also shared several letters back and forth with Raymond Franz way back then. Probably still have them somewhere. I don’t know where Ray’s journey finally took him, but he passed away a few years ago after falling down in his home and banging his head.

        • Стефан Евгений

          Craig…. I learned first hand what a danger these cults are, they broke up my family. I have never spoken on this blog about the personal things about my family. when we came to the USA.
          The Baptists pulled my mother away from Orthodoxy. The Pentecostals got my Brother. by way of his Wife. The JWs got my sweet Sister, by way of her Husband’s Aunt. My other Sister, God only knows what she is into. My brother Andreii and I remained Orthodox.
          I went through H3ll to keep my Orthodoxy.
          It was my Roman Catholic Father who supported me holding on to Orthodoxy, fancy that!

          • Thanks for sharing that. St. Jude had intended to write about their common salvation but instead saw the need to instead warn them to fight for their faith once delivered to the saints. So, that it is all not smooth sailing isn’t a surprise. At this vantage point in my life I don’t see the attraction. I’ve attended Baptist churches a number of times. Also a few Pentecostal (they are way out there). But when I compare them to the ancient church there is no contest. The ancient church to me, in it’s teaching and practices and worship is full of wonder and profound. The others largely offer only some shallow emotional appeal. You may be able to appeal to some to return but you won’t likely have any success with your sister unless she goes through some crisis or you can convince her the JW leadership is NOT led by God.

          • filomena seiffert

            My JW friend went trough terrible trials, it just got her closer to JW. She told me the reason she she became JW was the way the protestants (baptist) treated her.She found no friendship with them, she was snubbed by them. She was poor, abused by her husband, many children, no way out and all she got from the Baptist in the town was cold treatment. I was discriminated by them too and when they invited me their church I told them I would never go to a church where people discriminate others.

          • Joan Simpson

            If only some Christians realised how their conduct is less than Christian people like your JW friend wouldn’t be attracted to the WTS. Being a friend is a really good thing for you are doing what you can, by your normal conduct show her not everyone is 1. Either like the Baptists you encountered, or 2. That everyone is as how the WTS describes Christians.
            I find one of the hardest things to get them to understand is the Christians do NOT believe Jesus and his Father are the same person. I usually go to John 16 where it says Jesus came out from the Father. I tell them in the Greek that is literal, out from, proceeding from the Father and that just as the toothpaste squeezed from the tube is the same as that in the tube, so Jesus is ‘made of the same stuff’ as his Father. That clears up two points of their false doctrine. 1 Jesus is not a secondary ‘God’ and 2. he is of the same essence as his Father. Getting the Greek online helps if they are open enough to look at it.
            May the Lord bless you as you continue to be her friend and show genuine concern for her eternal soul.

          • filomena seiffert

            All we have to think is everyone is God’s child, good or bad, He allows the sun to shine on all of us. One must keep steadfast to the faith and ask God’s grace daily to not be deceived. Most people on this planet do not uphold God as number one in their lives, therefore it is very easy to deceive them. I tell the people who want preach to me 2 things; I am a cradle catholic an would not change even if the pope tells me, it would be necessary Jesus Himself tell me to do so. 2. If God wanted me to be in other church He would not have me be borne catholic. About 2 weeks ago I was in the Dog park, 2 young men came to me and told me they were mormon and want to talk to me, I told them what I just said above, they asked me to whom they should preach, I told them to go to ones who do not believe in God.

          • Стефан Евгений

            Graig, my Sister Marie, never got out, she died b/c she refused proper medical treatment.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            So sad —

          • We rest in the grace of God who desires none to be lost but all to attain to repentance.

          • Grandmere

            Oh, my brother! Many are your trials. May we all prove as steadfast as you.

          • Стефан Евгений

            Only reason I survived is my Baba, and Papa, put their foot down.

          • jami

            Praise be to God they made this for you. You are blessed

          • Стефан Евгений

            I was blessed to have a Russian Grandmother.

          • jami

            God bless you. I’v never seen my Grandmother and she was definately not a Russian 😉

          • filomena seiffert

            I think you are chosen. Rejoice! Alleluia!

          • Стефан Евгений

            I’m hardly chosen, just Ginful -sinful like the rest of mankind

          • filomena seiffert

            Go chooses sinful people, if He did not He would not have produce great saints from great sinners. We all are saints in the making.

          • Стефан Евгений

            True, Our elders in Russia, said that those that worked out their salvation in the world. Would out shine the monks in a monastery.

        • richinnameonly

          If “Crisis of Conscience” moves a current or former JW to evaluate what happened to them, they could also benefit from “Releasing the Bonds” by Steven Hassan, who I think was a Moonie. See my response to one of IHC’s posts further down this thread.

          • They won’t read such books because they believe their eternal salvation is directly tied to loyalty to the governing body in Brooklyn, NY. They are forbidden to question or read any such material. You can show them six ways to Sunday that what they are taught is false, not biblical and they won’t believe what you show them. As the Lord Himself said, there are some who won’t believe even if someone were to rise from the dead.

    • and icing on the cake: they are the one catholic and apostolic country which never was over run by Islam. Russia is the one country today which is actually setting a good example. The west now is over run by all things strange and wicked.

      • racarrera

        They will be rewarded for this, to the horror of American fundamentalists.

        • Grandmere

          Amen

        • Kamau41

          Yes indeed!!

  • Стефан Евгений

    It’s nice to know somone loves us. Iv’e stopped lettig people know my Russian background.

    • Grandmere

      Well I’m glad I know about it. You bring such light and joy to us with your wisdom, life stories and links. I love you. God bless you.

      • Стефан Евгений

        I would love to set around the samovar and chat. and God bless you dear!

    • filomena seiffert

      I love the Russian people too, they have suffered and demonized by the ones guided by satan. God sees your long suffering and your desire to serve Him, He will not let your love and suffering be in vain. Be proud (on the good term), of your faith, be proud of your country and your president who right know seams to be the only decent leader on the world.

      • Стефан Евгений

        I was expelled from the then S.U

        • Marie Halligan

          You’ve gone through some rough times so? Was it because you are a Christian?

          • Стефан Евгений

            No, German last name, and repeated application to leave the Soviet Union.

          • jami

            So hey Russian are ya German too?

    • Nan

      Christ is Risen! I didn’t witness the Holy Fire in the Holy Sepulchre but waited by Jaffa gate with hordes of others until finally someone came with Christ’s light and ​lit candles. I brought my partially burned bundle home. I was in the Holy Land three weeks and got home on Tues.

      • Стефан Евгений

        How lucky you are. The pushing and Yelling are too much for me.
        Whistling, in the house is bad, but to do it in the temple.
        Old Russians would point to the icons and say “Remember God” if someone did that.
        Truly he is Risen!

        • Nan

          There was some pushing. I didn’t learn until later that it’s a ticketed event. The Israelis herd everyone to one gate outside the old city and pretend they’ll let people in. They should have a sign that indicates Holy Fire will be brought from the Holy Sepulchre at 3. That would reduce trauma.

          I was on a pilgrimage that was to return home Apr 7 and a month before leaving learned of an iconography class starting April 6 in Bethlehem so stayed. It ended on the 12th so I stayed for Easter as did another pilgrim so I wasn’t completely alone.

        • infowolf1

          why is it bad to whistle in the house? as for in the temple the yelling and cheering and whistling are in praise of God and rejoicing at this miracle, not the same sort of thing that happens in church.

          • Стефан Евгений

            In Russia it is bad luck to whistle in the house, you disrespect the holy icons. Also you whistle away your money, is a modern way of saying you are like the grasshopper in the grasshopper and ant story.

  • Kamau41

    Amen. We love them too.

  • THOMAS KING

    This is an excellent follow up to my article that I did only less than 2 weeks ago. For those who missed it, here it is: http://shoebat.com/2017/04/10/god-bless-russia-russia-is-defending-christendom-against-heretical-cults-and-is-affirming-orthodoxy/

    Kindly share mine as well as this one. This is the perfect combination.

    • Стефан Евгений

      Thomas, You and I are really hated. The comments on the article prove why we are hated by that lot. One replied to me “that all Russians need a bullet in the head”.
      keep up the good work brat!

  • Tom_mcewen

    Well, Russia is strange, but please remember this is step up, back and forth, this is an improvement, the KNVD used to just take JW down to the river and kill them, foreign, non-russian, xenophobia is an old Russian tradition, one that Peter the great fought and lost. After Stalin Khrushchev imprisoned and killed some of the Baptists, the Baptists​ has been in Russia since 1867 and are like a smelly dog sleeping in the Orthodox bishops bed, I don’t see a future for Protestantism in Russia. It is non- Russian, foreign and is suspected of sleeping with the enemy.

  • Saying that they reject ‘some’ of Christianity’s core beliefs I find to be an understatement. I don’t think they got anything right.
    Having said that I can understand why the Russian government would take various actions to protect their country. Look what democracy and so called ‘freedom’ has done to the west. The WT teaching is that all governments are under the control of the Devil. I doubt this ruling means they won’t even be able to pray together. But there will be no more public proselytising.

  • The Russians is coming to kill us the Christians? And the Turks are not?

    • Taurnil Oronar

      Well then, it’s a good thing in the 1960s during my grade school stint they taught us to duck under our desks. That’ll teach them ruskies.

  • Are Mormons according to you a:

    A) Cult
    B)Not a Cult?

    And if they are a ‘cult’ please explain why and if they are not a cult please explain why

    • Cuzick

      The sound of Grand’s device would be appropriate about now…

      • Стефан Евгений

        Here is the Russian One!
        Snapsky!

        • Grandmere

          ROFL!!!!

        • Kamau41

          Too funny!

  • Taurnil Oronar

    Jim Jones had a little cult going, neither did he “force” anyone to listen. Just sayin is all.

  • susan

    Are you ready to investigate the roots of Jehovah’s Witness? :). We know there are good and decent people in all cults. That’s why people need to be warned. Error does not lead to truth. Truth leads to truth.

  • susan

    For the same reason we don’t. Suicide bombers in huge numbers. Plus we’re still using muslim countries in our proxy wars. As are they.

    • Exactly.

    • Kamau41

      So true…

  • Стефан Евгений

    When will they outlaw Islam? Looking forward to that from Putin as there are 21 million of them in their land.
    Well, we are not bomb happy like Americans.
    Most muslims are peaceful in Russia,and we don’t wish to screw this trend up!

    Islam in Russia: 2 Million Ethnic Muslims Leave Islam For Russian Orthodox Christianity.
    https://1muslimnation.wordpress.com/2010/08/15/islam-in-russia-2-million-ethnic-muslims-leave-islam-for-russian-orthodox-christianity/

  • Стефан Евгений

    ugol Ministries is a prime example of Evangelicals undermining Russia. It is based in Sacramento Ca

    • filomena seiffert

      Evangelicals are a horde of demons fight to destroy the word of Jesus.

      • Стефан Евгений
        • What a sad article that was to read. This man is part of the Burger King spirituality. They roll up to the drive thru window and order whatever it is that pleases them at the moment. This self centred fool doesn’t grasp that all of what he saw was not done for him but for God. He seems to be unaware that he is a sinful creature approaching the most holy, righteous God. I find it a fearful thing.

          • Стефан Евгений

            I think its just evil!!!!!!!

  • richinnameonly

    Having many years experience with JW’s, I could speak about this at length. Just a couple of things. Most people in cults reject their being labeled as in a cult. No one wants to admit that. Skim a book like Steven Hassan’s, “Releasing the Bonds” and then rethink your evolution as a JW from the start to where you are now. The hypocrisy starts very early in that you are told that people should not blindly follow in the footsteps of their parents religion, that is if they are not JW’s. You are told and expect that all non-JW’s should read WT publications, but that JW’s shouldn’t read publications from other religions. If a JW is caught reading publications by other religions they could eventually be disfellowshipped

  • Higlac

    There is much truth in what you’ve said, especially relative to “Evangelicals” (including Pentecostals and Assemblies of God, if I recall correctly) as well as the Calvinists (those are definitely heretical!!!); however, as I’ve written below, would you write off all Anglicans or Lutherans as such?

    • Tom_mcewen

      They are still bastards of the Latin church, this is a battle of being hard done by centuries before Luther, it is central europe, Poland, Ukraine and the stealing what was Greek Orthodoxy thought by the Latins from Rome. They is no different, but they are worse, Latin Heretics in rebellion against Christ, and their lawful bishop, far worse to the Orthodox then the latins and therefore a poison to the blood of Christ and closer to evil.

  • Tom_mcewen

    Islam in Russia is very different in the south then in the mid East, their heroes are different. communism secularized them and isolated them from the main stream. The Chechens are a special case, the Russians are very hard on terrorist and have banned at least 17 terrorist groups and all internally in Russia. Stalin pissed off the Chechens and it is a you killed my grandfather fight, the Chechens don’t break easy. There is the problem of slow or negative population and early death, I have no answer, the Russian army will be majority enlisted Muslim in thirty years. But the Russian answer is to crush Turkey and split up Islam.

    • Стефан Евгений

      Tom, a Chechen will surprise you.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnhEcWiQNbM
      A chechen guy tracked down a schmoe that trashed a monument to Soviet soldiers in Budapest,
      the Chechen is the clean cut guy, the schmuck is the artse- fartse one. He looks dirty to me with that long ginger beard.

  • Grandmere

    She was not talking to you. You must really be a super sensitive little snowflake. Let me give you a heads up. It is HOT in here. Jami has no need for eye surgery. She has laser vision. You don’t want what we are serving? Go to Pizza Hut then. It’s three blocks down on your left.

    • Tom_mcewen

      Pizza hut has bread sticks with cheese can you get wine?

      • Grandmere

        I don’t think so!!! But the beer here is very cold. And you can BYOB as long as you don’t get too rowdy. Russians must stick to Sapphire. The vodka gives them a hangover.

        • jami

          My goodness, Grandmere love that sense of Humour. You shot him off

          • Grandmere

            Tom and I like to pick at each other. And we like to quote Shakespeare. Just a couple of old weirdos.

  • Grandmere

    Go peddle that crap elsewhere. We are Trinitarians and you will not get a single “convert” here.

    • Brenda

      Look at his profile, He’s nothing but a Troll and likes to accuse all Trump voters of being the same and traitors.. As if he had knocked on every Trump voters home and got to know them personally, Don’t like him.

  • Tom_mcewen

    At least I will stand before the Lord and be judged for every word and deed, then believe I have the power to claim I will bypass God’s fearful judgement by Once Saved Always Saved. You claim a contract that you are saved while you live and sin, I claim no such thing.

  • Tom_mcewen

    IHC thanks for bring your viewpoint forward. If you liked football you will love it here, if you see Grandmere sack her immediately just to be on the safe side.

    • Grandmere

      Well thanks for the recommendation, Tom. I appreciate that more than you know.

  • racarrera

    What protestant gibberish is this?

  • Grandmere

    It’s not because they are from New York. It’s because they are from The Pit.

    • Cuzick

      Snapsky!!

    • Taurnil Oronar

      Snap!

    • Julie LaBrecque

      Fire, fire – burnin’ hot today!!!!

  • filomena seiffert

    The Trinity was not invented, Jesus was not a liar, He spoke about the Father, about Himself being one with Father and the Holy Spirit from the Father who would teach all things to the disciples which were not told by Jesus because they could not comprehend at the time.

  • filomena seiffert

    I do not see any idle word here.

  • jami

    I agree with you

  • jami

    Dear IHC , hello and welcome to this wonderfull Christian site. Here you can share your Knowledge and get curious as you can . I really do not know what you believe. It may be YW. I don’t know if I said something directly in connection to you. I’m sorry if that hurt your Sentiments. I have commented on all that i have seen myself .I have loads of log’s in my eyes tryin 2 get rid of dem 1 by 1. We can have a conversation , please tell me anytime. May God bring Peace and Grace in your Heart, your Mind and your Soul. Brother/Sister

  • Kamau41

    “If you think that’s as far as they (the Russians) are going to go think again you fools”. Your thinking is utterly foolish. How do you folks come up with such nonsense?

    • Стефан Евгений

      I Think the Mormons are next.

      • Julie LaBrecque

        I can hear their collective cry : ” our persecution proves our sect is the chosen one.”.

        • Стефан Евгений

          They are already squeal’n like a pig.

        • Today it seems we had a bunch of heretics, grasshoppers and plain crazies. I wonder if it is something to do with the weather.

        • Brenda

          Ugh, yes I have seen that exact statement on You Tube with the defenders of the Jehovah Witnesses only a few days ago.

      • Kamau41

        Yep, I wouldn’t doubt it!

    • infowolf1

      I think he figures the RC are going to be “next.”

  • jami

    Hey you can chat with IHC may be it maybe urll both agree on YW

  • Well, if the Russians do come for me, all I’m going to do is ask them to teach me how to dance like they do in “The Fiddler on the Roof.”

    https://youtu.be/Vvr8AjT0aD0?t=2m20s

    • Did you say ‘dance’?

      • Did I say ‘dance’?

        *checks original quote of mine *

        “Well, if the Russians do come for me, all I’m going to do is ask them to teach me how to dance like they do in “The Fiddler on the Roof.””

        Well I did.

        😉

        Just giving you a friendly hard time so you can get a laugh out me being a smarty pant.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Catholics and Orthodox orally confess their sins – the way that Jesus Christ – that is, God, set up to be done – care to banter?

  • Julie LaBrecque

    The problem is this :. Jesus’ Christ’s Church is still alive and well – why do you throw His words in the garbage? He said that HIS CHuRCH would never fail. Your doctrine was invented ,less than 200 years ago – are you smart enough to see the problem ?? You’ve been duped, sir, with all respect. Your founder did not know one word of Greek – your ‘ leaders’ have added words to make their doctrine ‘ fit’. How could Jesus be St Michael when The Book of Hebrews states that to no angel did God ever say ‘ You are my son ‘. In fact, your cult fits the definition of antichtist. When the NT gives examples of people worshipping Jesus – I have to ask you ,- how Biblical are you when you refuse to worship Jesus?

  • A comment ‘on hold’ simply means they can’t do everything at once. It doesn’t mean your comments are rejected.
    I would like to ask you something though: As a WT member, if what you believed and are taught is clearly false and against the bible and Christian teaching WOULD YOU WANT TO KNOW? That is my question.

  • “I have just received first hand encouragement never to set foot in any of your churches; even though I was considering a visit.”

    Thats just great. Can you now be kind enough to declare the same for visiting or commenting on my website?

    Much appreciated.

    Have a nice day.

    • jami

      Hahaahaa superb answer Bro

  • “religion of Russelism ”

    Beats the crap out of the religion of Chetism.

    • Taurnil Oronar

      OK. That’s two I had to look up. Never heard of Russellism (didn’t know it was somehow connected to JW) or Chetism. False prophets are a plenty but then I guess they never went away. The names have been changed to protect the guilty.

      • They were at first called Russellites after their leader, Charles Taze Russell. He was a high level free mason. Do a search for his grave stone. It is a shame that otherwise intelligent people fall prey to such distorted doctrines which they conjure up.

    • Chet

      There must be a breakdown in our understanding somewhere… Unfortunately, I am unable to respond to your negativism regarding myself and can see no time when I appeared to espouse any religion of myself. Your turn, brother Shoebat.

      • You see here is the problem Chet. When I first read scripture and then went to a typical Sunday School and got instantly taught crazy things like ‘the legs of Daniel 2’s image is the Roman Empire. The eastern leg is Orthodox and the Western leg is the Roman Catholic’.

        Then I once posted a comment that the Catholic Church was Antichrist and that Hitler was Catholic. I Catholic told me to stop writing such nonsense and wrote a few lines refuting me.

        Of course I got offended, but I began to investigate instead of commenting on what this guy said.

        It takes one sentence when someone tells me of things I do not know to get me going. I examine what they say.

        Yet it takes me years of research before I respond to such a comment.

        I research with all my heart, soul and mind.

        I research even if a child put me in check.

        However. This is not the case with others who would write “Russelism” as if all Orthodox saints worship a government.

        Even James While, the Protestant apologist I posted his clip the other day does not want to get into the Orthodox because their history and theology is so rich that it would take a lifetime and he would not have scratched the surface.

        When people bla a statement or a word which they do not know what they are talking about, it makes them look naive.

        What do you know about the Orthodox? Nothing.

        But of course, you would respond with ‘I know scripture’.

        But have you ever examined the Scripture from the Orthodox perspective?

        Had you done that, which would take you a lifetime. You would NEVER post “religion of Russselism”.

        Have you ever examined the life of an Orthodox saint? Have you ever examined the Orthodox struggles with the Muslim Ottomans? The Greek saints? Have you examined how they live, how they think and how they view Scripture?

        Try it. And then call me back when you are an elderly, on a crutch sitting on a rocking chair to tell the richnesses of what you learned.

        Until then, you should refrain from loading a bullet in your chamber and firing from the hip. Your bullets are bouncing all over the place. They are not hitting any target except one: you.

  • Nan

    They’re not Christian.

  • Nan

    Sorry but your cult denies the Trinity, therefore you’re not Christian, by definition.

  • racarrera

    Simpleton. You know nothing about Russian Christianity. What hillbilly cult spawned you?

    • Стефан Евгений

      I think he means JWs.

  • Dan

    Can someone tell me namely you Theo why we’re worrying about JW ?
    Can we add the Moonies to list oh and put the mormons in there too.
    Are we really going to argue over the term cult and whether or not Christianity belongs in that category?

    • “Can someone tell me namely you Theo why we’re worrying about JW ?”

      Because Jesus said to beware of the little leaven.

      • Dan

        Right, so that’s my point Walid, JW teach false doctrine but your article appear sympathetic towards JW, in fact you name them as a christian sect which they are not.

  • Ooops. I stuck a shoe in the Shoebat mouth. My apologies Chet. Please forgive. I had thought you were speaking of the Russians.

    • Tom_mcewen

      Chet gets to throw his shoes at you Walid. If he is a hillbilly then he can shoot a flea off your nose and not scrape your skin, good soldiers hillbillies.

      • Стефан Евгений

        Tom, I’m from here, does that make me a hillbilly?
        Having a Ukie flag in the car is not a good idea.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOWx3gAe3KY

        • Tom_mcewen

          How is shooting arm, do you think the south got robbed, was Robert E. Lee a treasonous rebel? I once on the ship as a joke told the southerners that Robert E. Lee was the same as a communist, they almost mobbed me, black or white they defend Robert E Lee, no laugh there, zero humor on that subject, lucky I was an officer

          • Стефан Евгений

            Tell some of the Hunkies back home, that they are Ukrainian you may not make it out alive.

          • Tom_mcewen

            You drink with the Ukrainians here you may not make it out alive, For a while if there was a Ukrainian bar fight they would send eight czech policemen

          • Стефан Евгений

            They tell me life was better under Czechoslovakia.
            https://sk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podkarpatsk%C3%A1_Rus

        • Cuzick

          If you have a ” gitt”er dun ” hat and a chaw in , then you have a strong argument.

          • Стефан Евгений

            No! I have none of that

          • Cuzick

            Well, your just a country boysky then.

      • Taurnil Oronar

        Hillbillies wear shoes?

        • Tom_mcewen

          Horse shoes ouch, yeow, yeow, Yelp, EEKs, bang, boo, snap, wham,

          • Taurnil Oronar

            hee.

    • Chet

      Sure, brother. Admittedly, I was more than a little concerned and wondered where I veered off the road. God bless and keep up your outstanding work…

  • Did I ask a cent from you? Did I invite you?

  • Joan Simpson

    IHC.
    It’s me again. I’m wondering what the elders of your congregation think of you for donating to charity? It is a very nice thing you do, but not something usually associated with Jehovah’s Witnesses.
    I am also wondering why you would give money to help people the Governing Body says are part of Babylon the Great?
    Do you know how many Jehovah’s Witnesses have died because they refused to take a blood transfusion?
    Did you know haemophiliacs died before blood fractions were allowed?
    How would you have felt if you had had a relative who died because the Governing Body told them they could not take blood fractions and they bled to death, yet the next day the Governing Body got new light and blood fractions were allowed? Your relative would have been ill one day too soon to save his life.
    Are you one of Jehovah’s Witnesses who take blood fractions?
    Have you seen the website: Advocates for Jehovah’s Witness Reform of Blood. These are brothers and sisters in good standing.
    I have never had one of Jehovah’s Witnesses use the King James Bible at my house. In fact I do not see it on your website. Can you give me the link to it on your website please.
    I am really interested in finding out what you think about these things. I find them very interesting.

    • richinnameonly

      Generally very nice people, but very controlled by WT. Constantly changed dates and what was supposed to happen. Different definitions of “this generation” so they can change their predictions. They use the NWT bible almost exclusively. They individually need to pray and research but many are both too scared and too brainwashed to do that.

      • Joan Simpson

        I have studied their ever changing doctrines for more than 30 years.
        It always helps to ask them questions for they are not used to thinking. It is a slow journey and love and patience are necessary. Making friends is possible although they are not meant to have friends who are not part of the Organisation. I think they enjoy being with someone who does not judge them. And they can also count time!
        I still buy books to assist in seeking to help them. The latest one I have read is, To Every Locked Mind, There Is A Key: Unlocking The Minds of Jehovah’s Witnesses by Daniel Rodrigues. If I can just get a little more info to help them I don’t mind the expense.

        • richinnameonly

          Good for you, Joan!

  • racarrera

    I hereby apologize to you. Your post and the JWs blended into each other.

    However, we depart at one point. Christ established one holy, Catholic and Apostlic Church. Men aren’t perfect, but Christ’s institution is. These churches who maintain the original sacraments are as follows:

    1. The Eastern Orthodox Church
    2. The Roman Catholic Church
    3. The Oriental Orthodox Church
    4. The Assyrian Church of the East

    High Church Anglicans count as Anglo-Catholic, though they should, and will, heal their Schism.

    The rest were founded by bitter men who have absolutely no Apostolic Succession. They are welcome home at any time, always.

  • Taurnil Oronar

    Oh well then, since you used all uppercase letters I’m convinced you’re right.

  • Marie Halligan

    The Holy Spirit is mentioned all through the Bible and the Messiah, Emmanuel, the only Begotten Son of God is as well,so no way was the Holy Trinity “invented” at any time- Jesus said sins against the Holy Spirit won’t be forgiven so think on! What you have said is blasphemy!

  • Marie Halligan

    You went too far when you called him a child sodomiser! I hope you will have the courage and good grace to apologise to Tom and take that comment back! It was very ugly and unjust accusation!

  • Kamau41

    The fact and reality is the JWs, which was started by Charles Taz
    Russell, is most definitely a cult. They absolutely deny the Trinity(I John 2:22-23), which is totally unrefutable. Here are some links below for you to review and I pray that your eyes/ears will open up to the truth:

    https://www.catholic.com/tract/history-of-the-jehovahs-witnesses

    On this particular link, be sure to review both parts I&II in its entirety, which will explain in much more detail of some of the most dangerous/blasphemous leaders(incl. Charles Taz Russell) in history, who started many of the cults that still very much exist today.

  • jami

    Who is Bibi by the way??

    • frankiegllaj

      It’s Nethanyahs nick name.

      • jami

        Oh thanks . Frankiegllaj.have a great day

  • jami

    “For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”

  • Poppins

    Jehovah’s Witnesses are a cult. Don’t let the name fool you. Go into one of their Kingdom Halls and pick up a copy of their Revelation Book. You’ll find that after WWII JW’s went to Israel to convert the Jews. The Jews rejected the JW’s, so the JW’s declared themselves to be the New Jews and that the Original Jews aren’t God’s people anymore. Nutty yes! Now for the Bread & the Wine, only those who consider themselves to be numbered in the 144,000 are allowed to partake of the Bread & the Wine !

    • richinnameonly

      Yes, they only have their “anointed” receive the bread and wine at their annual “Memorial”. Everyone else just sits there and passes the emblems around. The most ridiculous thing in the “Revelation” book is the claim that the 3.5 days/yrs portion of the prophetic 7 years stands for a similar time period when JW officials were jailed in the US.

  • racarrera

    The feeling is mutual. God bless you and yours.

  • racarrera

    He was. But with reason, we’re all in good stead now.

  • infowolf1

    blood transfusion wasn’t rejected for tainted blood supplies, but because of misapplication of the doctrine of not eating blood which was ALWAYS about dead animals, not blood drawn from the living.

  • filomena seiffert

    That is right, the Lord goes know who belongs to Him, and not demonizing the Church Founded by Himself that make you one of his sons. I do believe one can be saved in every religion if one knew not the Church of the new Covenant established by Jesus with the price of His blood. If one knew and participated that Church and move to churches invented by rebels bad men, then the one is apostate, a traitor like Judas. The priest was right, most people can not understand the bible and the is the reason 156.000 protestant sects claiming to be Christian, are spreading that pestilence in the world, it can not come from God for He is not God of division and hatred, it can only come from the father of lies, the murderer and enemy of God. This is a problem I have with ignorant protestants, they all slander the Catholic Church. Jesus told the disciples, after the Resurrection to go and preach and forgive sins, the sins they forgave would be forgiven, the sins they did not forgive would be retained. Reconcile your easy salvation with that.

  • Higlac

    If that were the case, then WHY did Jesus Our Lord Instruct His Disciples in St. Matthew 28:19-20 as follows???

    Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: [20] Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you:

    • Grandmere

      Impeccable response, Higs.

  • Michelle Therese

    The major beef I have with Jehovah’s Witnesses is that your group operates totally on the offence as it does door to door teaching very blatantly that our Christian beliefs are a lie and not true and unbiblical.

    The JW book, “Reasoning From the Scriptures” is nothing more then a carefully organized tool used to try and shred and tear apart another person’s beliefs.

    The JW Organization uses the term, “True Worship” in order to denounce non-JW beliefs and traditions as wrong and bad. Which is very aggressive and warlike, thank you kindly!

    Time and again in the little JW gem, “What Does the Bible *really* Teach” you JWs giving the study let rip against other Christians and how, “That is a lie! This is a lie!” right there in print!

    “Take Your Stand For *True* Worship” states the title of one chapter. Right there in full color is a very suggestive photo of a Catholic woman praying.

    Then Christmas is denounced, lies spun about the origins being “Pagan”, same with birthdays ~ thus alienating pretty much all of the non-JW society, putting it at odds with your Organization based on lies and false information.

    What makes up a big portion of Russian society? Normal celebrations like Christmas and Birthdays that do not arise from this vague “Pagan” past.

    This chapter encourages the reader to take a stand for TRUE worship by rejecting normal aspects of Russian society ~ while demonizing those celebrations and making them an unclean sin that displeases God. HELLO??

    This is why the vast majority that reject JWs at their door, because these people know of the JW organization’s aggressive offensive attacks against other beliefs AND the misinformation and also outright lies used in these attacks.

    Your organization goes on the offense when it knocks on a person’s door. There is absolutely nothing peaceful about outright attacking other beliefs as “lies” and other such claims, while also at the same exact time handing out literature that itself is full of errors, falsehoods, and revisionist lies. I’ve gone through that book, “What does the Bible REALLY teach?” (words like “true worship” or “really teach” are huge red flags!) and that little book is loaded with hatred towards Christians, especially Catholics.

    “As you associate with TRUE Christians…” we are told that, “…you will find that any desire for the customs of false worship …will gradulally disapear.” And then promises that one will be blessed if you “take your stand for true worship” thus implying that otherwise you will not be blessed, not be happy.

    This is a clear “Us vs. Them” mentality right there! The JWs are not sowing peace, but instead they are sowing division and strife and antagonism towards non-JWs.

    I’ve also read the magazine all about the Trinity: full of lies! Not just mistakes but outright lies and falsehoods.

    And the magazine just recently that extolled the virtues of the so-called Reformers who warped the Bible: more lies and misinformation in those pages. Again and again, we read JW material and see plain as day total misinformation and outright lies! It’s disgusting!

    And the thing is, people KNOW this b.s. when they see it and this paints JW Org in a very bad light, and rightly so. And this then attracts the attention of the Governments of those Nations willing to take a stand against Social agitators that disrupt even the dynamics of families, the workplace, school, let alone the wider society wherever they are located and out knocking on doors.

    JW organization is not being “unjustly unpersecuted” ~ it’s being rightly called out for it’s own lies and aggressive attacks against other Christians. When you individuals go door to door all peaceful and kind, you have no idea how many of us that answer our doors are totally aware of the utter nonsense that your JW leaders pump out from Headquarters to your hands via their tainted publications.

    I saw a video of some Orthodox priests and people burning JW material and felt zero sympathy because I have scoured JW materials, combed through books and magazines, even that wretched publication, “Reasoning From the Scriptures” which exposes the destructive work of the JW Organization.

    Worse yet, your JW organization teaches and promotes outright lies and misinformation about Christianity both past and present, and the Bible. Your organization lies! And it teaches these lies and it promotes these lies and the Russian government doesn’t want this American group burning holes in the fabric of Russian society as it sows lies and misinformation as well as launching direct attacks on other Christians!

    JW Org is NOT a moral organization. It is not right and good. I’m sorry but there’s no way it can be right and good when it aggressively attacks the faith of others with lies and false information.

    If JW’s only taught their own doctrine and gave an invitation to join, that would be one thing.

    Another reason: while JWs expect other people to read their stuff, JWs are not allowed to read our stuff and compare and enjoy a freedom of thought, the liberty to research and compare and contrast. You individuals *are* brainwashed to believe that non-JW material is all full of lies and this is so you won’t come across the misinformation and lies in your own materials. Your dishonest organization LIES even to its own adherents. So your mission work is so one-side that even the Russian government is disgusted.

    Also, the way that JWs treat those that leave your organization, which is cruel, malicious, and causes major discord in society: even keeping children and their own parents alienated! That is just evil! Citizens have freedom of association, protected by the Government itself ~ and the JW Org illegally suspends that legal freedom!!

    If the JW organization will not allow its own people the freedom to socialize with their own family members, regardless if those family have left the JWs, and your organization demonizes non-JW beliefs and writings, AND your organization causes the unjust death of children due to cruel medical ethics, and your organization acts on the offence to attack and lie about other Christians, then sorry but your organization is a danger to the fabric of society and disruptive of societal peace and even a danger to the lives of its adherents!

    And we out here, on the outside of the isolated JW Fish Bowl, we know this and we understand exactly why Russia is not happy with JW Organization.

    Most individual JWs have no idea what they are *really* doing as they pass out their books and magazines and hold their “Bible Teach” studies… that’s because they are isolated from the wider Society and insulated against counter-arguments. Hence the reason so many call the JW Org a “cult”. Because that’s what cults do: isolate and insulate. then cults use the threat of ostricization to frighten its people into not daring to ask hard questions, or daring to leave the group.

    On the other hand we Christians have total freedom to read any material we want, including JW material, and to argue, ask questions and debate, and to demand answers to the most difficult questions that we come across. We are FREE. We are not isolated and alienated from wider Society.

    The Jehovah’s Witnesses organization, as run by your leaders, it is one big terrible mess and it really does, “pose a threat to the rights of the citizens, public order and public security” ~ and I pray to God that more governments will do the same so that JW Org is forced to fix its massive destructive, and sometimes deadly (like… when kids die from lack of a blood transfusion), errors.

    • You certainly said more than a mouthful here and I totally agree. There is no truth in this organisation and it is a danger to society and even to it’s members. They justify their shunning and ripping families apart based on the passage where the Lord shows how to handle wrongs between brothers. You know the verse: go to your brother in private. If he won’t listen take it to the church. Finally let him become as one of the nations. They would say the Jews would understand this as having zero to do with that person such as how they felt about the Samaritans. This tells me they don’t know the Lord in the slightest. Called the friend of sinners, the Lord would go to those who are sick (sinners) to help them. In other words, what the Lord is saying is such a person should be viewed as one who needs to be saved, not savaged.
      I can at least speak in defence of my dear mother, that when they approached her and said she should not allow me in her house that she was having none of that. Good thing, because I ended up being one of her main care givers during the last ten years of her life. They did absolutely zero to help her in her suffering.
      Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.

      • Michelle Therese

        These types of organizations, they always re-enslave people to the Old Covenant, the Law of Moses. When we are in fact free of the Old Covenant and now live under Grace. But I noticed in the New World Translation, the term “Grace” is oddly missing. How convenient!

        (I’m glad your mother didn’t fall for this shunning nonsense. Thank God!)

  • Tom_mcewen

    Sad news, New Orleans is removing statues of Gen Robert E Lee and other Confederate symbols of history, those who forget their history are bound to repeat it. The left are insane, with their PC madness, other states are doing the same. Dishonorable and mean. Newspeak, those who control the past control the present. I remember this tune, not only music but death.

  • Стефан Евгений

    “Russia’s return to Orthodoxy repels the West”.
    S.V. Lavrov.

  • Apparently you have some serious issues.

    “Approving disparaging comments shows your class”

    I should not approve or disapprove comments? Working in comment approvals puts me at a ‘lower class’?

    I wonder what if washed feet. Would that too put me at a ‘lower class’? Or is it that your used to the upper-class teachers who responds not to your rantings while you worship them?

    “and then you still take money from the people you slander. What a saint.. beautiful just beautiful”

    Name me one individual I slandered and took money from? You can’t and you won’t because you yourself are the slanderer.

    “I was calling the person who classed all evangelicals as demons a psycho.”

    I have met many decent Evangelicals. You however are not one of them. You mouth off at will and have zero respect when you are a guest here.

    “You probably want to burn me right now dont you?”

    Why waste the wood which could be put to good use? You will eventually burn yourself 100% guaranteed.

    “No wonder my father left your ‘church'”

    I never ran a church you imbecile. Shows how much you know me.

    Now do me a favor and scram. Get lost. I have no time for trolls.

  • filomena seiffert

    Comments that speaks truth can not suite you, why do read them? Shoebat never asked money from me, no invited me.

  • filomena seiffert

    Deceiving comment, like protestant speak, always the same jargon. Jesus said the road that lead to salvation is very hard and few walk it. You dismiss the words of Jesus who said to take our crosses and follow Him if we are to be His disciples. Wide and easy is the road that leads to perdition and many will trod it. The work under the law did provide grace but very few, if any, obeyed the law.

  • I had to get rid of him Filo. Instead of answering questions, he just goes down the list to jump from me selling books to me being ‘fake terrorist’. He is just a troll and he’s not interested in any dialogue.

    • filomena seiffert

      He is Protestant, the programmed type which hear but can not understand, look but can not see. What can one expect from somebody that follow sects invented in rebellion and sin? Thanks for the reply you gave him, it was fitting.

  • filomena seiffert

    I was borne the day I was baptized and I meet Jesus personally in my soul and my flesh when I receive communion.

  • Tom_mcewen

    Do you think counterfeiting money is wrong even if looks almost perfect? To the Russian Orthodox whose Christian history begins in 988AD, by Prince Vladimir, thinks that All protestant churches and even Catholic confessions are counterfeit and because they use truth mixed with anti-orthodox christianity is evil and therefore dangerous to the souls of believers. Xenophobia is a old tradition, and as communism showed a wise one. The population of Russia is143 million, in 1913 it was 170 million and given normal demographics it should of been 200 million, so Religion is to be guarded as a mother. Because they forgot God and millions died. All protestants and Protestantism itself is Heresy to Russia. JWs are Heretics and worse foreign non-russian Heretics.

  • Tom_mcewen

    Simple the 70 years of communism secularized Islam in the south of Russia, they like a little pork, the islamists you are thinking of are Chechens and it is not Islamic as you killed my grandfather. The Russian don’t think Islam is a threat, they have fought Islam before and have zero doubt they can kill everyone who raises a finger. But the Godless west they fear, all protestants including JWs are Godless Heretics a threat to Russia and a threat to the Orthodox, the blood bought at great price. To be polite Russians hate American Protestantism, it is a disease. They will not change, they in spirit are the old believers. The JWs were there during the time of the czar, but they pushed.

    • Its nice to read someone who knows about Russia while the other guy who attempts to respond (jimmy) plays the same old record clueless about southern Russia, the history …

      He doesn’t want to learn. He wants to win his silly argument.

      Doesn’t it frustrate you why we have so many many of this type?

      • Tom_mcewen

        I am amazed he thinks the Russians don’t understand Islam, they are closer then​ the skin. The Russians may not nuke the west but they wouldn’t think twice if threatened by Islam, PC is not the Russians strong point, the west would make noises and shake their hand in private. The Russians are rational, xenophobic and Messiah complex haunted.

        • jimmy

          is faith in god the Russians strong point? because that’s going to be the only thing that saves them in the end. not the mighty non PC military balooga looga.

          • Tom_mcewen

            I am going to take the form that wish my understanding of Russia. Russia had it own unique history that formed, isolated by geography and invasions from the east. The invasion in the 13th century crushed early Russia as will as killing half the population, this invasion forms the thinking even today of Russians. The modern west comes out of the three periods of the enlightenment. The first period isolated the west from the medieval form of looking at the world through metaphysical lenses, into uber-rational ordering of society, government, science and philosophy, this was the fruitful period that formed England, this forming ended in the formation of the American experiment as a nation. The last period ended with the French revolution and horror. The enlightenment was on the whole positive, but it lead to the intellectual theories such as Nazism and communistism of making the new Soviet man. Communism is western enlightenment, not Russian. The medieval meta- physical understanding still held true in Russian philosophy and literature. Russian literature is the heart of Russia, for example read Dostoyevsky, all Russian novels while nonfiction are actually moral tales based on Christian thought. Evil was done, but not I think willful evil beyond the individual man. Read if you can Alexandr Solzhenitsyn if you can, the Gulag Archipelago, three volumes 2100 pages. Russians are mythical far more then those formed by the enlightenment. I have found in life the best more enduring lessons are taught by suffering. The west has never approached the level of suffering that a Russian can endure, this ability to endure is what makes Russians hard strong Christians. Westerns faith in God is a shadow in Plato’s cave where their faith is the real deal. If you can go to Russia go.

          • Hey Tom, I was reading an article at http://www.thesaker.is yesterday where he says most of Russia today is agnostic with their 4 main religions being orthodox, Judaism, Buddhism and Islam. What do you know about this? If true it confirms my thought that they are still recovering from the communist horror. My great fear is the madness of the west has no intention of letting them recover to where they will be thriving in all areas of life with a vibrant and growing church. They have made good progress in all areas of life including church building, but the psychopaths in Washington….well, you know!

      • racarrera

        This is why comment threads can be embarrassing. Far too much ignorance out there.

  • filomena seiffert

    I do not the unbelief problem, we Catholics have the full assess to the scriptures, all books and words without discarding any book or erasing words or entire sentences from the gospels. I am sorry you did not have that and ended up in the claws of the sects invented by proud, apostate and evil man, however God fitted you with a brain, how aren’t reasoning the words of Jesus. I follow what Jesus said, I do not put the disciples words above Jesus, I like to read what Jesus said to the disciple, the reason is that every one of us can think of God in Gods words, we always have to use what others say. I like the Gospel according to John because I do believe he was the young disciple who took Jesus mother to his house and she must have told him many things about the life of Jesus. God’s light may descend upon your soul.

  • Tom_mcewen

    Are you so clueless, the west is sick at the moment, the Russian power compared to Islam is a hammer to an ant. Russian doesn’t need a single Islamic nation, all 57 are alive by Russian patience. The PLO kidnapped a Russian official while they were allies to put pressure on the Soviet Union to do their will, the KGB kidnapped after some investigation the families of the leadership of those in Tunisia and beheaded two at a time and threw the heads over the wall of the PLO embassy compound. The Russians started in 1913 with 170 million people and ended in 1991 with 138 million they should of had 220+ million. The millions missing is because they killed them and they were Russians, Muslims are dust to them. The Russians are extremely xenophobic.

  • jimmy,

    we spoke on Islam’s cunningness more than you have posted comments.

  • jimmy

    islam is dangerous indeed an Islamic violence is there for all to see so it makes sense people would want to ban it, I was amongst the ban islam crowd (I’m still very much ban islam except I learned how to really ban islam more on that in a minute) but I realized something all false religions are dangerous an the ones that doesn’t appear to be outwardly violent can be devastating spiritually because they lead away from god which is the real reason Europe is suffering much now is because they’ve abandoned their Christian roots so once they turned their backs on god they become susceptible to all sorts of evils an Islam came rushing in to devour its prey. so yes I’m all for banning islam along with Satanism an every other demonic cult out there but making a law to ban it will never work, that would be like making a law banning demon’s from entering houses bodies etc it will take god almighty to ban islam an other evils that plague us. so if you really want to ban islam then pray this country turns back to god.

  • You are just another crazy who shoot bullets which takes ten surgeons to pull out. But when the surgeon asks the shooter “do you know what it takes to pull all these bullets out”? The crazy shooter doesn’t know what it takes to graduate as a surgeon, of course.

    I suggest you first start with nursing first. And what I mean by nursing isn’t the type where you work in a hospital. You lack milk.

  • Your type always complains about being crucified and persecuted when all you got was a scratch.

  • In my neck of the woods there are such things as stupid questions jimmy.

  • I apologize for I miss-read and had thought you were mocking at Catholics. I get those all the time. I re-read more carefully your comments so please forgive. Sorry for your loss (your Grand mother).

  • Thank you Jimmy,

    What happened was that I was rushing to prep for mass and I had a few minutes to approve comments and I thought it was the usual Protestant attacks on the Eucharist and such.

    As for your grand mother I know how that feels. You had stated she was killed in a fire? What happened? An accident?

  • So sad. Your ways sound like our ways Jimmy in caring for the elderly that it. You all did the best you can and while she passed away your memories will not. I love both my grand mothers. They both passed away but they were very loving. I remember my grand mother would come from Bethlehem to Jericho during the war just to check on us. At 90 some years old when I visited Bethlehem last time, she would walk up the hill just to make sure I am okay. She took care of me as a grew up too. My American grand mother helped me much as well. In my view grand mothers are more precious than grand fathers. But there is something to be said about grand parents. If we only emulate the way they lived, their frugality and such we will all be self-sustaining. They lived in a much more difficult era than us.

    Glad now that we are on good terms. I need not be haste in answering comments and pre-judge. Its the human in me.

    • Wonderful remembrance Walid! It’s an experience I also had with my grandmother in particular. And it just says to me that before anyone starts hating on an entire nation or race or group of people we should see that they are likely not that different from us. After all, your grandmother in Bethlehem sounds muc like my grandmother in Canada (who came from England). She was also in her 90’s.

  • Higlac

    Ad hominem insults like attacking my sanity without giving any proof as to why you postulate such a thing carries ZERO weight with me. All the more so after constructing what I honestly see as being as logical an argument as any.

    In any case, I have neither the desire nor the need to waste any time upon the drivel emitted by such as you – it’s with pleasure that I’m blocking you so that I never need to be plagued /irritated /insulted/&c. by your foul presence!!! Good riddance…