Germany Now Wants To Destroy The Voting Rights Of Poland In The European Union

By Theodore Shoebat

Germany, the head of the European Union, wants to destroy the voting rights of Poland in the EU. Germany is using a law recently passed in Poland to justify this. The new law gives the Polish government the right to appoint and assess Supreme Court justices, and “would allow the government to replace every member of the nation’s supreme court with people of its choice.” Germany’s justice minister, Heiko Maas, said: “the independence of the judiciary is in danger in Poland. … somebody who gives so little respect to the rule of law has to accept that he isolates himself politically.”

The EU with its German head wants to impose upon Poland a measure that has never been used before: article 7 of the EU treaty. According to one report:

The procedure, which has never yet been used by heads of government, allows for the eventual suspension of a state’s voting rights for “serious and persistent breaches” of fundamental EU values. That has to be agreed by unanimity, although the formal warning can be agreed by four-fifths of member states. This may well happen in September.

If the EU imposes article 7 on the country, Poland will not be able to vote in EU councils. According to one article from the Telegraph:

If triggered, Poland’s Prime Minister Beata Szydło, whose right-wing nationalist Law and Justice party are driving the reforms, could be excluded from decision-making in the councils of EU leaders.

Article 7 has two parts: article 7.1 and article 7.2. The first part allows the EU to warn a nation, and if this does not work, then 7.2 is implemented and the country’s right to vote in EU councils is stripped,  the EU Council “may decide to suspend certain of the rights…including the voting rights of the representative of the government of that member state in the Council”. Poland’s foreign minister, Witold Waszczykowski, said that Germany “is deeply mistaken and should not interfere”. The EU is also angered that, as it has stated, Poland made different retirement ages for men and women. The Dutch vice-president of the EU Commission, Frans Timmermans, who is a major advocate for imposing Article 7 on Poland, said:

One of our legal concerns is gender discrimination through the introduction of a different retirement age for female and male judges. Now the retirement age is the same, 67, and they introduce a different retirement age. This, in our view, is in violation of Article 157 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union, and Directive 2006/54 on gender equality in employment.

In the same talk, Timmermans said:

The College discussed last week the option of using Article 7 if the situation did not improve, and our Recommendation gives a clear indication of what actions by the Polish authorities would bring us to that point.

The Recommendation does not prevent Article 7 being activated directly in case a sudden deterioration requires immediate and stronger action

The Commission’s Recommendation asks the Polish authorities not to take any measure to dismiss or force the retirement of Supreme Court judges.

If such a measure is taken the Commission is ready to immediately trigger the Article 7(1) procedure.

I am not arguing whether or not the Polish reforms are just; I am pointing to how this could be used as an occasion for aggression by Germany and its allies. Let us remember that Germany and Austria did not care about the Archduke Ferdinand nor his wife when they were assassinated by the Serbian nationalist, Gavrilo Princip, rather they used the murder as a pretext and occasion for war. To use the words of historian David Fromkin:

“What the killings gave Vienna was not a reason, but an excuse, for taking action. They provided the Austrians with grounds for destroying Serbia — a pretext that Europe would accept and believe, and with which Europe might well even sympathize. It was a justification that might bring Germany to support them and prevent Russia from opposing them. … In this respect, and from Vienna’s point of view, Gavrilo Princip had committed the perfect crime.” (Europe’s Last Summer, p. v, ch. 25, p. 154)

Before the assassination even occurred, the Germans were already planning for a major war against its European neighbors. (Ibid, p. 157) On July 1 of 1914 there was a private conversation between the Austro-Hungarian diplomat, Count Alexander Hoyos, and Victor Naumann, a German journalist who had connections with major officials in the German government, especially with the foreign office. Naumann told Hoyos that now was the time “to annihilate Serbia,” and that it was in his view that “if at the present moment, when Kaiser Wilhelm is horrified at the Sarajevo murder, he is spoken to in the right way, he will give [Austria] all assurances and this time go to the length of war because he perceives the dangers for the monarchical principle.” (Ibid, p. 156)

Austria and Germany used the murder of the Archduke and his wife to justify war. Austria did not take the time to fully investigate the murders and publish its results for the world to see. Rather, the Austrians gave a plan for the war to the ruler of Germany, Kaiser Wilhelm II, and it was the same plan to war against Serbia that was devised before the assassination. (Ibid, p. 160)

The Germanic hoard was looking for a reason to go to war, and they used a cut throat strategy of diplomacy to further deepen their pretext. The Austrians gave the Serbs an ultimatum: give up your sovereignty or else there will be war. This could be what Germany is doing to Poland now: telling the country what to do with threats, giving Poland an ultimatum, all of which are forms of coercion that belittle and humiliate the authority and sovereignty of the country. One section of the ultimatum required Serbia:

“To accept the collaboration in Serbia of representatives of the Austro-Hungarian Government for the suppression of the subversive movement directed against the territorial integrity of the Monarch.” (The note can be read in Fromkin’s book, Europe’s Last Summer, p. 308)

The ultimatum would have made Serbia subject to Austro-Hungarian control, and everyone who read this document knew that it was one that no nation could ever accept. Winston Churchill said:

“This note was clearly an ultimatum; but it was an ultimatum such as had never been penned in modern times. As the reading proceeded it seemed absolutely impossible that any State in the world could accept it, or that any acceptance, however abject, would satisfy the aggressor.” (Ibid, ch. 30, pp. 187-188)

The British Prime Minister, H.H. Asquith, wrote in a letter that the ultimatum would lead to Armageddon:

“Austria has sent a bullying and humiliating ultimatum to Serbia, who cannot possibly comply with it, and demanded an answer within forty-eight hours — failing which she will march. This means, almost inevitably, that Russia will come on the scene in defense of Serbia and in defiance of Austria; and if so, it is difficult both for Germany and France to refrain from lending a hand to one side or the other. So that we are in measurable, or imaginable, distance of a real Armageddon.” (Ibid, p. 188)

Sergey Sazonov, a Russian diplomat, said to the Austrian ambassador in regards to the ultimatum:

“I know what it is. You mean to make war on Serbia. … You are setting fire to Europe. … Why was Serbia given no chance to speak and why the form of an ultimatum? … The fact is you mean war and you have burnt your bridges. … One sees how peace-loving you are.” (Ibid, p. 190)

Why was there such hatred and animosity towards the Serbs by the Germanic people? What was the reason? The commencement and devising of the war had nothing to do with national security, but rather pure social-Darwinist hatred. In a private meeting between the German Kaiser Wilhelm II and the German diplomate, Prince Lichnowsky, the two expressed their anti-Slav racism:

Lichnowsky: “One could not measure the Balkan peoples by the same standard as the civilized nations of Europe. …”

Kaiser: “Right, for they aren’t!” (Ibid, p. 189)

The 19th century chief of staff for the Prussian Army, Helmuth von Moltke the Elder, envisioned a conflict of “Slav East and the Latin West against the center of Europe,” that is, a bloody conflict in which the Germanic Central European nations would fight against the Catholic Latin West and the Orthodox Slavic countries.

I am not one of these types of people who believes that belief systems, without a Christian transformation, die out. The Germans wanted to destroy Europe in the First World War, they wanted to do the same in the Second. There is no reason to believe that they all of a sudden have changed. During the chaos of the First World War, the German general, Erich Ludendorff, conspired for the extirpation of the Polish people living in Polish territory that the Germans wanted to annex. In the words of the historian, Adam Tooze,

“Ludendorff had finally confronted the question of what to do with the large Polish and Jewish populations in the Polish territory he was determined to annex. His solution was taken from the pages of pan-German fantasy. As many as 2 million people would be uprooted from their homes, with particular care being taken to ensure that the large and politically dangerous Jewish population was neutralized. Ludendorff hoped that they might be ’caused to emigrate’ to the United States.” (Tooze, The Deluge, ch. 6, p. 135)

Such a historical reality of anti-Polish racism and antisemitism, shows that the Holocaust that would eventually be conducted by the Nazis was not something new to the Germanic supremacist mentality, rather it was the materialization of what they wanted to do all along. People tend to believe that Germany is no longer on the warpath. But this acceptance of feigned peace existed even before the Second World War, and this was after the horrific blood bath of the First World War (I wrote an article on this subject which can be read here).

The fact remains that Germany was anti-Pole during WW1; it was anti-Pole in WW2; and today it is using a situation of government reform within the Polish government to justify weakening its political leverage in the EU. It looks like the Germans are doing to the Poles what they and the Austrians did to the Serbs: crippling their sovereignty. If Poland changes its reforms out of fear for Germany, then it loses its authority; if Germany and its EU allies impose article 7 and remove Poland’s voting rights in the EU Council, then it would weaken its authority in the EU bloc, and make it further subservient to the Germanic nations. The danger that I see, if article 7 is imposed, is that the other EU nations can determine political measures on Poland without Poland’s permission since it would be ostracized from the Council. Its a win-win situation for Germany.

Germany has a plan, whatever the plan is, if it wants to execute it, it must undermine Poland’s voting rights in the EU, and other nations that may be a hinderance to their plans.

And lets not forget: Poland has a very Catholic population, and do not think that this does not aggravate the Lutheran Christian Democrats in the upper echelons of European power. At the end of the day, the struggle is between those who are for God, and those who are for evil.

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  • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

    And to think that Walesa wanted recently for Germany and Poland to unite as one country, and recall that Donald Tusk’s grandfather served in the German military…Today they want to remove the memorials of liberation by the Red Army, soon if they keep capitulating to the Germans more they’ll be removing the memorials of the Battle of Tannenburg in which the Slavs united to beat the Teutonic Knights…

    • Pero Ercegovac

      Lech Walesa is made out by the west to be something he is not. He is a socialist come lately liberal. He led the rally this week against the Govt of Poland’s plan to get rid of all former communist judges from the judiciary.

      Red Amy liberators? From whom? From ourselves? The Red Army were the spawns of Satan. Evil men who slaughtered more people in history than any other army. Communists who deserved to have their monuments thrown on the rubbish pits of history. Rapists, murderers et al. You think the Poles give a damn about mythologic Slavic unity and the Battle of Tannenburg after the massacre of Katyn? The best thing the Hungarians did was throw all those monuments into one junkyard. Poland is for the Poles, Hungary for the Hungarians, Slovakia for the Slovaks, Russia for the Russians. The Soviet occupation is over by the Grace of God. Anyone who supports the Red Army who were responsible for the slaughter of the Tsar, the Church, all those Orthodox priests, sisters and rural folk throughout Russia and Ukraine is not a Christian but a communist.

      • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

        The Red Army of 1941-45 was literally not the Red Army of the previous generation of officers and soldiers, but a National army that crushed your Axis friends. The peoples under the heel of the Germans and their slavish Fascistic collaborators were truly liberated by the Red Army, because they sure weren’t able to liberate themselves without the Red Army’s help. People like you want a return to power of a new Axis, and so you do all in your power to twist and denigrate the Allied powers and their complete triumph over your Ideological barbarism, and get the peoples you wish conquered again to set at each other’s throats.

  • richinnameonly

    It may be difficult and dangerous, but I hope Poland does not bend to EU and German pressure.

    • Kamau41

      Hopefully, they won’t.

    • Pero Ercegovac

      They will not.

  • Kamau41

    May God continue to bless and protect Poland to maintain their Catholic-Orthodox Christian Heritage and not cave to the evil pressures/forces of Germany.

    • Pero Ercegovac

      There is no Orthodox heritage in Poland. Poles are Catholic and really good Roman Catholics at that. Perhaps the best. They are proving to be worthy of the title Antimurale Christianitatis, a title given only to them, the Hungarians and Croats by the Popes for the battles against Islamic, Protestant and Orthodox heresies and invasions.

      • Kamau41

        Excellent insight, Pero. Thank you for the clarity.

        • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

          It’s not ‘clarity’ my friend, but Fascistic half-truths and obfuscation. Beware.

          • Kamau41

            Thanks OCA. I most certainly will.

          • Pero Ercegovac

            Only communist use such claptrap as “fascist”. You are a communist. Poland has never been and never was Orthodox.

          • Georgeorwell

            No you fail to see that to a Russian propagandist all of Europe is Russian and Orthodox territory. And if they have to nuke you so Putin does not feel surrounded, well so be it.

          • Pero Ercegovac

            No I don’t. I know full well you are right here. I remember when I was in Moscow in 2003 and talked with associates how they were telling me, a veteran of the Homeland War in Croatia, how Orthodoxy will liberate us and reform Yugoslavia. I said I am Croat, a Catholic, we fought against Yugoslavia so we can free ourselves from the Serbian Orthodox yoke why on earth would we consider Yugoslavia as beacon of freedom. You know what? When I saw in the blankness of their stares that they did not get it I realised with these people you cannot explain anything. Communism brilliantly brainwashed them to believe that the “liberated” us from “ourselves”. As Charlie Brown would say… “good grief!”.

          • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

            Maybe you are the one brainwashed, always looking to be like the West which has been falling ever deeper into an abyss of it’s own making, except that it’s a black hole that is sucking everyone into it’s self-destruction too.

          • Pero Ercegovac

            Are you kidding? We lived a brilliant life under Austro-Hungary which our lords and brigadiers in Parliament joined freely in 1526. After 100 years of holding the Turks back they finally gave us the impetus to push them back. You obviously have never been to Croatia. It is in the north a classic Habsburg land and in the south Mediterranean land. We are finally where we belong and with whom we willingly fought wars with from 1526 to this day. And we are too small to suck anyone into self destruction. We are only 4.5 million people. It is you guys with 150 million who are playing big boys and trying to destroy everyone so you can heal your complex that America and China are simply more powerful than you guys. I wish you commies would grow up.

          • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

            As I thought, at least one example of a suck up to your past Austro-Germanic Overlords.

          • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

            Yugoslavia was occupied by the Germans and Italians….Including Croatia.

          • Pero Ercegovac

            rubbish. We were liberated by the Germans on April 10 1941 after 23 years of Serbian occupation placed upon us by Britain and France which was signed, sealed and delivered at Versailles.

          • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

            Sounds like Ustasche Fascist propaganda to me.

          • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

            You’ve already outed yourself as a paranoid Anti-Russian fanatic, and you judge the corn by your own bushel, as the saying goes…

          • Georgeorwell

            I outed nothing. You see unlike you I do not hide my intentions behind propaganda and easily disprovable false assertions.

          • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

            As I said, Golitsyn’s fantasies of a kind of paranoid genius, but of Satan, of delusion, of ‘Prelest’. I don’t trust Communists or Fascists or any other kind of modernistic humanist godlessness, it’s the spirit of Antichrist, particularly abroad in the world since the year 1492 AD, the 7000th year of the world and the beginning of the Age of Apostasy.

          • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

            Russia does in fact have a tendency to be invaded by outsiders, from all directions. But you knew that anyway.

          • Pero Ercegovac

            Great. I support everyone who seeks to occupy you guys. You commies are so incapable you could not organise an orgy in a brothel.

          • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

            Come and try and see what will happen.

          • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

            Such hatred is so sad, but it reveals much.

          • Grandmere

            Alright now, dammit! That is enough, Pero. Time to pry you and OCA apart. Play time is over. A couple of times a year I have to suffer through a cockfight. Both of you need to cool it.

          • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

            I’m cooled, sorry Grandmere

          • Grandmere

            🙂

          • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

            See my post above.

          • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

            A ‘communist’ wouldn’t say Poland was Orthodox, a Orthodox Christian would say that the whole Christian Church East and West was. A Roman Catholic would say that they were the true Orthodox and that the East split. God knows and judges, and I’d rather a Latin West than a Muslim one.

          • Pero Ercegovac

            Yes they would. A communist would say anything to hold power and expand. You guys for 50 years told the Poles that the Germans were guilty of Katyn until the truth finally came out.

          • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

            Actually it didn’t ‘come out, ‘the truth’ about Katyn. But let’s say that was the case. Russians were murdered in forests by NKVD squads in far greater numbers, and were victims of the Reds after the Whites were betrayed by the West. ‘Russians’ only in name if even that did that to Poles and others, not the real Russia prior to 1917.

  • It may not take long for the powder keg to explode.

  • Pero Ercegovac

    Germany, France, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Sweden, Denmark… all the masonic led elites wish… again… to destroy Catholic Central Europe… the people themselves are euthanised. I suggest that if you have doubts just go to these countries and ask people in bars and cafes what they think of the mass migration of Muslims. The majority are brainwashed through over 70 years of mass media created guilt over nationalism and anti-semitism. They however have come upon a little problem called “the former communist states” of Catholic Central Europe, led ironically by the staunch Calvanist Victor Orban of Hungary. To put it bluntly… all of us who lived under communism recognise a move to collecitivisation of the economy and communalisation of moral values when we see it. We did not free ourselves of Soviet communism to replace it with EU communism. Merkel is doing the job of her bidders from the Grand Oriental Lodge. She, Macron, Sarkozy, Hollande, Schulz and the grey technocrats of the EU have come across us normal folk who have no interest in enslaving ourselves again, hence the Višegrad 4 and i3.

    • Grandmere

      Thanks, Pero. Well said.

      • Pero Ercegovac

        No, thank you for understanding my point of view. It is not black and white amongst the people. They are mislead by evil elites, but one good evangilisation will help them big time. I really feel sorry for my Northern European brothers and sisters as I see they are brainwashed and lost in the desert and hence vote how they do as they know no better. But when you talk to them outside of politics they are all good people who seek to keep their identities, cultures and most importantly for them their family values in tact. Now if we could put God in their lives in pole position then we are in the race. But have you noticed something about Merkel that no one mentions? She has no children. So why should she give a damn about her people’s future when she and her lineage will disappear with her own death.

    • Methusalem

      I would support Poland and Hungary in their effort to defend themselves from Muslim invadors. But, I don’t think the vast majority of the populace is Christian — not even close. There are some devote Christians in Poland and Russia, but the majority is still godless and very materialistic. I’ve never seen Christians in Hungary, nice people, but more paganic like their Finnish cousins. The key driving force behind the current anti-migrant policy is nationalism and racialism.

      • Pero Ercegovac

        I agree with you that the key to the current anti-migrant counter-culture (it cannot be policy if the elites in power are doing the opposite) is nationalism and racialism. However what defines a nation in Central Europe is completely different from that in the Norse lands. In the Norse lands worthy projects like Red Ice TV push a pagan based Norse/white nationalism whilst in Slovakia, Hungary, Poland and Croatia it is the clergy that are doing this job. Having said this Poles are very Catholic, very Christian. Here I disagree with you. Where i agree with you is with the Hungarians and Russians. The majority are materialist and hence unwilling pagans, but this is due to the leftovers of communism. However, in Hungary I am seeing a rebirth of national identity which is come from the right and which holds dear to Catholic tradition. It is the Cardinal of Budapest who has openly opposed Pope Francis’ inclusionism stating Hungarians are specific as God wished them to be so and this migration is an invasion. Perhaps what you have not seen in Hungary is this open Christianity because it is not Protestant, it is Catholic and the traditions are held within the families and are not for open show. Churches are far from empty there. But like I said the irony of Hungary’s rebirth is that it is being led by a Calvanist, by Victor Orban. The only Central European nation where Catholicism is virtually non-existent is the Czech Republic. Finland is a classic Norse nation, nominally protestant and hence in decline, where the Church is strong in the Baltic is within her Catholic nations: Lithuania and Poland.
        PS: Whilst the Finns are Finno-Ugric speakers like the Hungarians they are genetically not linked. Ironically, the Hungarians hold the slavic R1 gene, whilst Slavic speaking Croats and Bosniaks hold the Dinaric non-Slavic I2a2b gene… essentially Hungarians are more genetically cousins with Slovaks and Poles rather than Finns. Language should not be mixed with genes because lets face it Celtic Irish, Black Jamaicans and all the races of the USA have Germanic English as their lingua franca but it does not make them Germanics does it… ;o)

        • Methusalem

          Thanks! But, despite their whiteness, their Caucasian features, aren’t both Hungarians and Finns somehow descendants of Genghis Khan?

          • Pero Ercegovac

            That question of yours is the big one that everyone thought they knew the answer to until the human genome project came into being. Basically, after that the answer is no. Before that it it was yes. Both groups have no genetic linkage to the Mongols. Yet they speak languages linked to the Steppes. They are both pure European, one group holds a majority Slavic haglogroup, the other Norse. In both groups there is a large Goth and Avar DNA haplogroup representation. The huge question now being faced by anthropologists is how on earth they got to speak a Mongol language group language. Most are now going, at least for the Hungarians as I have no idea about the Finns, for the theory that their language was already established by the Avars who then settled upon territories which had Slavic peasantry and eventually the language of the warrior class, the Avars, became the language of all peoples living in their kingdom, hence the majority Slavic serfs and peasants became Mongolic speakers, i.e., modern day Hungarians. This btw does not diminish the specific Avar/Hun identity of the Hungarians, far from it. The Hungarians are Hungarians and like the Finns, Europeans who speak a non-Indo-European language. They are all the more rich for it.
            PS: Most descendants of Genghis Khan, and according to the human genome project, there are 16 million, remain in Central Asia, i.e., the stans, Mongolia, Siberian Russia, North-West China and Afghanistan… even Tibet.

          • Grandmere

            SNAP

          • Pero Ercegovac

            Is that a positive or negative snap?! ;o)

          • Grandmere

            I only give a SNAP if I think it’s correct. Or witty. Or devastatingly sarcastic. You are in a good mood today. Me too!

          • Pero Ercegovac

            I just finished renovating my living room and balcony yesterday after two weeks of hard slogging and my wife making last minute design changes every day… I am now in sloth mode sipping on coffee and finally lying on my back whilst the kids are with the grandfolks… me very happy boy :o)

          • Grandmere

            That makes me happy.

          • Pero Ercegovac

            Off to pray my daily rosaries now, have a lovely rest of the day Grandmere. God bless.

          • Methusalem

            Thanks, again, very informative! I remember reading a couple of years ago in relation to that genome project that even Prince Philip, “The Greek” of the UK traces back his genes to Genghis Khan, personally.

          • Pero Ercegovac

            You are welcome. Now that is a long bow drawn ;o) I do like how you parenthesise the “Greek” as I have met many Greeks who actually think he was Greek but once you explain his birth and his lineage is a different kettle of fish they get let down. He is of good German noble/royal lineage as most of the European royals. He probably has some Hungarian lineage down the line and he probably claims it from them. Would be interesting though to have a gander at the haglotypes of the Royals but me thinks they would not like that as after all we are all peasants to them in their eyes :o)

    • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

      Visegrad is just another ‘Intermarium’ or ‘promethean strategy’ of attempting to attack Russia. Get real. You would replace Bolshevik tyranny with Fascistic oppression, subject nations ruled by the Germans through their local puppets.

      • Pero Ercegovac

        From the Diaries of Madeline Pauliac (the Archives of the International Red Cross in Geneva) we found an account of the true nature of the Red Army in Poland. Madeline was a young doctor with the Red Cross serving in Poland during and after the war up to her untimely death in a traffic accident outside Sochaczew, Poland, in February 1946. She noted that in the wake of the Reed Army “liberation” of Warsaw the Red Army soldiers raided the main nunnery… now in her own words: “There were 25 in all, of which 15 were raped and then killed. Of the 10 who survived some were raped 42 times, some 35 and one 50 times… five of them became pregnant. They came to me and sought advice. They asked me about abortion, but secretly.” This is what your liberators filled with hate towards anything that had to do with Christianity did to poor Poilsh nuns. The Germans did not touch them throughout the whole war. Imagine what your soldiers did to the poor nuns of the Holy Russian Orthodox Church from 1917 til 1945. You still wish to talk about your fairytales?

        • Georgeorwell

          Right on!

          So called “Orthodoxchristian” so called “American” is nothing but the Russian equivalent of Hasbara. He is willingly or unwillingly a mouth organ for Putin and the Russian fanboy uprising on the internet that has its origins in the KGB. Their “history” is nothing but old style Marxists propaganda as is this website. They, however, believe that some of us are too senile to remember and recognize their tactics. Anyone who can’t see that Russian lap dog Germany is working again like a puppet at the direction of the USSR, oh sorry I mean “Russia”, then they are either blind, stupid or duplicitous in the deception.

          The Russian so called “Orthodox” Church is nothing but an organ of the KGB with its KGB patriarch Drozdov aka Kirill. It hates the Catholic Church and seeks to destroy it because its communist master seek to destroy it. It first tried this under the Czar then under Soviet rule. It continues to today. Further, Russian is again finding excuses to “save” Poland and the rest of Europe from its self with the cry of “fascists” its latest tactic. Our Lady warned us about the errors of Russia, which has now swept the world, yet we do not listen. We have been warned by our prophets that Russia will invade Europe and turn it into a slaughter house, yet we do not listen. Instead “Catholics” like shoebat and others here cheer as the great red dragon threatens both the US and our allies. Fools!

          • Pero Ercegovac

            Look I agree with you. And two things irk me most of these so called followers of the Church of Kiril and that is why have not allowed back into the fold the true Orthodox Church in exile post communism? Maybe too many White Russians who are pro-Tsar, pro-Christianity and anti-communist? Agitprop is agitprop and the Soviets had 70 years to master it. The other thing that irks me, and irks me the most as I am Catholic, is how Catholics during this centennial year of Fatima forget that core of her warnings? It is Russia who will destroy Rome because of the great sin that emerged the year the apparitions occurred. Russia was not consecrated as she demanded, JPII at the last minute bowed to pressure and consecrated the world instead meaning that the warning still stands. They also forget the communist background of Merkel (I posted a youtube video here that shows her taking a German flag during her electioneering from a member of the CDU and removing it from the stage but it was taken down) and how she is constantly criticising Trump whenever he mentions sanctions or increasing defensive weaponry to Ukraine. We are heading toward WWIII and why anyone would wish to go against their nation for another beats me!? And yep, you got it down pat about the Great Red Dragon. And nope we ain’t senile, we just remember well ;o)

          • Georgeorwell

            “New Lies for Old” and “The Perestroika Deception” by Golitsyn’s, both written in the 1980s, predicted to 100% accuracy what Russia is up to now. I understand the actual plot was hatched in the 1950s. What is amazing is how Russia has an almost preternatural ability to influence world leaders, populations and events.

          • Pero Ercegovac

            They have a brilliant propaganda machine and a web of intel officers who are amongst the best in the world. That has always been their strength. With them you never know who is a sleeper.

          • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

            Back at that again huh? It took no genius to predict what Golitsyn ‘predicted’, his only original and twisted genius was in making all part of a Communist plot… It isn’t falsifiable, because it’s pure paranoia.

          • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

            As was there too, and perhaps you don’t see how it’s your perception, not so much your memory, that is skewed. I’m not a ‘Putin fanboy’, or some kind of Crypto-Communist, as I’ve said i’m a Starovery sympathizer, but I do know paranoid monomania when I see it, and I also know when people are hiding behind ”Anticommunism” to conceal their designs against Russia and against Orthodoxy. I’m Orthodox Christian, a Monarchist, and a Nationalist, in that order. I make no apologies for that, only for my sins if I am misunderstood.

          • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

            You can talk well about the ‘Great Red Dragon’ which awoke in 1917 after the Emperor of the Third Rome was put aside out of the way (don’t believe in the Fatima apparition, never did even when I was a traditional Roman Catholic), but recall then too that Russian patriots, the Whites, were the first to fight It…There is no dishonor, and True Russia need not be ashamed.

            Merkel might be a Commie, but I’d aver that she could be a Crypto-NSDAP as well.

          • Anthony

            As a former Roman catholic, what made you not believe in fatima? Just curious, not being mean here, just an honest question. Have you looked into it?

          • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

            Let me answer your question with some necessary background first. I was born in the Novus Ordo when everything was first going crazy, and when I became an adult, I was involved as a ‘Traditionalist’ Roman Catholic, for the better part of 13 years. As such, I examined in great depth and research the origins of the crisis in the West and in the Roman Catholic Church specifically. And I investigated all, including Marian and other apparitions for any clues or signs of the larger spiritual forces involved, especially Fatima, La Salette, but all of them really. I left no stone unturned.

            So what led me even then to reject Fatima as diabolical deception, a lying wonder from Satan? The primary point amidst others then was false prophesy on the part of Sr. Lucy, when she told the Catholic journalist William Walsh in 1949 that the secret involved that ”Communism would overcome every country in the world”. Mr. Walsh was so disturbed that he asked her again with the same reply.

            Now, in Orthodoxy I have even better reasons to reject Fatima as from the Devil, but that is probably sufficient to mention now. Communism is dead, did not in fact ‘overcome every country in the world’, and only a sick and twisted fanatic blindness could retain Fatima at this point in one’s heart and mind. And/or obsessive and paranoid Russia hatred, positing that Russia is still somehow ‘Communist’ and all this is just deception, that Communism will still overcome everyone…

            I’ve been there, have family and friends in Russia, I know for a fact that Communism is very dead there, and will never return. Atheism is still a problem, and materialism just as in all modern countries, but that nightmare itself is over. Not to mention too much, but frankly all this talk among Roman Catholics, well meaning perhaps, is quite supremely offensive to all true Orthodox Christians who absolutely reject the claims of the Latin Church. To them, there are numerous sound theological reasons to reject Fatima and in fact all other apparitions, as exactly what they are… ‘Prelest’, spiritual deception, lying wonders talked of in Scripture and by the Holy Fathers that would if possible; ”Deceive the very Elect”.

            Very humbly and keeping in mind my own wretched sinfulness, accept this as my honest statement to the best of my poor ability, speaking of these things.

            OCA.

          • Grandmere

            I’m gonna go out on the limb with you. I do not accept Fatima as genuine. I hope we don’t get the limb sawed out from under us.

          • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

            People will believe whatever they want to believe, if it keeps them from beholding the truth, unless grace comes to them and the Holy Trinity dwells in them then. It did me no good humanly speaking to choose the route I did or do and say the things I’ve said, but I actually am very happy with the joy the Holy Spirit can give, even a poor sinner.

            Thank you and God Bless, Grandmere. I endured a lot of rage and venom in the past for my stand, but praise God! I’m certainly unworthy of it.

            The Blessed Virgin Mary, the Mother of God, is very dear to me personally.

          • DeusLoVult

            How tiresome grows this argument about Fatima. It is no cause for such bitter internecine strife among Christians. It goes without saying that there are enough forces trying to destroy Christianity. We needn’t create another.

            I’d say more, but I’m sick as a dog right now. God bless, OCA. I hope you are doing well. 🙂

          • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

            Well, not feeling too great, sorry that you are not feeling well my friend. God bless you too.

          • Anthony

            I guess I see it different, I agree Russia is no longer communist but the fruits of it have indeed spread. Even here in America with Bernie Sanders and the millenials believing socialism is true equality but it isn’t and never will be. The Soviet Union did spread her errors and we cannot deny this at all. Even Venezuela right now is suffering because of these wicked ideas. I don’t believe every apparition but when I see fatima and see who was there and how many witnessed it and even secular newspapers told of it, it’s hard to deny it and also conversions happened and people repented. It’s like our lady of guadalupe, to deny this would also say that Satan appeared in a lying sign to convert over 5 million pagans to “evil” Roman Catholicism. It makes no sense to me. Now medjugorje is a different story. I guess I’ll look into all facts about them all, thanks for the reply, God bless.

          • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

            A tree is known by it’s fruits, as Our Lord said. And so in all Christian charity and genuine love for a brother in Christ, I’ll leave the issue at that, except to say that with some like Guadalupe and La Sallette, I can posit a outcome of a genuine vision but the message becoming somewhat distorted, deliberately or otherwise by various persons.

          • Anthony

            Amen brother that is right, the fruit we bear must always be Christ centered out of charity. Easier said than done at times lol. Thanks for the comments I just like to look at all view points and I am an avid truth seeker. God bless 🙂

          • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

            You know little about me or my motivations, if you post these kinds of fantasies.

        • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

          All such reports are unfortunate and an evil; men in war become insensate beasts if at it for too long, too many of them. Understand that for me, to speak of the ‘Soviet Period’ is like speaking of Russian historical periods of national calamity, like the ‘time of troubles’ and the ‘Mongol Yoke’ periods. But the Soviet period although having some points of comparison with those times is also something of a very Apocalyptic nature, which I connect to the national sin of persecution of those Orthodox Christians who held to the old Russian ways, a persecution of over 300 years which claimed many lives and turned Russia into a seeker of godless Western thinking like that of the freemasons and so called ‘enlightenment’ philosophers. This culminated in the creation of the Communists, the flowering of Czar Peter’s westernization project.

  • Pero Ercegovac

    And Orban of Hungary who is standing by the Poles and is willing to use his veto to stop this idiocy of the masonic technocrats.

  • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

    My initial reply to you didn’t go through, so I’ll take that as a sign. What I will say will be shorter and perhaps more measured. I’m by no means whatsover in league with the God-Hating Bolsheviks, with any kind of Marxist-Leninist. What I am is an Orthodox Christian, a Monarchist, and a Nationalist, in that order, but while I’m traditionalist i’m no Fascist either, for i’m in fact Anti-Modern to a great degree. I oppose all revolution, all. I am as I’ve indicated before elsewhere a ‘Old Believer’ Orthodox Christian sympathizer, with all that entails, so I don’t go in for much of what passes for ‘official’ Orthodoxy either. I have no doubt that despite your ideology and all, that you’re a good Slavic gent, so give me that same benefit. A true Orthodox Christian will say that all Europe was once Orthodox, while a true Roman Catholic will say that it was the Eastern Churches that fell into error. So setting that aside and realizing that we do have common enemies, let’s also be honest and say that neither of us has an interest in a false ‘unity’ that would collapse, at the expense of truth. I’d defend anyone against a lie if I believe I see one, so let’s just disagree and let the truth defend itself, or rather, Himself.

    • Grandmere

      Well said, OCA. Very well said.

      • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

        Believe me, at the end of the day, when the Muslims have overrun almost all of the former Western and Holy Roman Empires in the West, it’ll be these very peoples like the my Sorbs, and also the Poles, the Czechs and Slovenes and Croats, with the Magyars, that will stand the tide of Muhammad’s flood. And the Banners of the East Slavs their brothers will come to join them in their battle, as of old. Oh Glorious day for the Glorious peoples! As the Roman Catholic writer Leon Bloy once wrote in 1917; “I await the coming of the Cossacks and the Holy Ghost!”

        • Pero Ercegovac

          Serbs have never won a battle in their lives. They capitulated to the Turks and eventually became their auxiliary troops. While we held them back at Siget, Of course Leon Bloy said that and the Cossacks throughout WWII came and fought with us against Stalin but you are a worshiper of the Red Army who fought against the Cossacks and murdered them at war’s end. You are a hypocrite, oops sorry no you are a classic communist.

          • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

            Being a Croat of course you are reflexively Anti-Serb and would concede nothing to your estranged brothers, being that many migrated to the Habsburg frontier and the Kraijina for example and fought the Turk elsewhere. Funny I never implied anything of ‘worship’ of the Red Army aside from that it was right for Russians to support that army and those who fought against the invaders of the Russian lands and then crushed the Beast in his lair. I don’t support everything, least of all ‘Operation Keelhaul’, but that was more NKVD than Red Army anyway. If you want to talk hypocrisy and throw out words of invective and poison, let’s talk about the Jasenovac and the Ustasche of Anton Pavelic and collaboration with the NSDAP, shall we? Yeah, Fascism is still real, and I’m no Communist to point it out…

          • Grandmere

            OCA. I swear, you and Pero will be the death of me. I always learn a lot of history when you two go at it. But I also learn a little more about how hard headed you both are. Both of you have some good points to make, but the “fog of war” sure makes it hard to get anything out of your exchanges. I just gave him a swat too, so don’t think I’m picking on you.

          • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

            People who have an Slavic heritage, often are this way:-). Like fighting brothers, but yet I often praise, as you well know, the glorious bravery of the Poles and Czechs and Croats, and my own primary branch, the Sorbs, also known as the Wends or Lusatians. I also have family ties to the Slovenes as well as the Russians. Point being, that when it comes down to it, I know that people like me and Pero will be under one banner someday, Slava Bogu! Croats are brave, and they are men, and they welcomed the troops of the Czar who saved the Austrian Empire as the Croats were loyal to the Hapsburg Crown and to General Radetsky when the Magyars of Kossuth were not.

            Besides, he needs to understand that i’m tied in with the Starovery, and to them everybody made a wrong turn:-). I was traditional Roman Catholic before I was Orthodox, so I fully understand.

            God bless Grandmere!

          • Grandmere

            God bless you too!

      • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

        Wait and see, all will be revealed. Watch and look and pray.

    • Pero Ercegovac

      I as a Catholic have two enemies. Islam and Russia.

      • OrthodoxChristianAmerican

        Then you’ll fall to Islam.

  • Georgeorwell

    In 949 all of Christendom was united under Rome with no such distinction between “orthodox” and Latin or Roman Catholic–despite what the eastern revisionist wish to say. Otherwise, excellent rebuttal to the absurd Russian fanboy.