Countless Scores Of Muslims Are Renouncing Islam And Giving Their Lives To Christ In Finland

While there have been many Muslims who have arrived in Finland in recent years, there is also another phenomenon, and that is that so many Muslims are renouncing Islam for Christ. The numbers are so much so that the churches are having difficulty keeping track of the numbers according to a recent report:

Finland has reportedly seen a flood of conversions from Islam to Christianity, with hundreds of asylum seekers from the Middle East turning to the Christian faith, officials in the Evangelical Lutheran community said.

Evangelical Lutheran parishes have begun establishing confirmation classes for Muslim immigrants who want to become Christians. Exact figures on the number of recent Muslim converts aren’t available since such records aren’t kept – but conservative estimates on the number suggest several hundred in recent years within the Finnish Evangelical Lutheran Church, according to the Finnish news source Yle Uutiset.

Converts hail from Afghanistan, Iran and Iraq. As many as 20 Afghani men are enrolled in ‘pre-confirmation’ teaching on the Christian faith at the Tainionkoski parish centre in Imatra, Eastern Finland. Students are assisted by a New Testament in the Dari language, the variety of Persian spoken in Afghanistan. A Dari interpreter is also on hand via Skype to support the teaching given in English.

‘I haven’t been baptised yet, but I’m looking forward to it and I’m sure I will be a good Christian,’ said one convert, Aliraza Hussaini.

Conversion from Islam is a divisive move however, one not readily accepted by many traditional Muslim families; some say that after conversion they are seen as ‘infidels’ in ‘exile’ by family in their home countries.

‘I haven’t been in contact with my family in Afghanistan for a very long time. If they find out I’ve converted, it would mean trouble for me,’ said another convert, Golamir Hossaini.

Many of the Imatra confirmation students reportedly cited a disillusionment with the Islamic faith, and say they will probably never return to Afghanistan. (source)

Make no mistake, there are many Muslims in Finland who have not converted and there is much work to be done. Nevertheless, God’s mercy is on those who fear Him in every generation, and to those who seek Him with pure intentions and desire to follow Him, He will find them where they are, for God’s mercy is nothing less than the gift of His grace.

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  • AnthonyM

    Their conversion is a great thing. Their environment is so tightly controlled in muslim majority countries, that they receive no exposure, and have no choice but Islam.

    • Woody

      Yah, look at Africa the millions who converted from Isalm to Catholicism.

  • Anthony Palo

    without the threat of death for apostasy from the “religion of peace”, Muslims would’ve converted by the droves and Islam would struggle to survive, at least that’s what I think.

  • Grace Ziem

    The Bible teaches there is salvation through Christ. Only Christ, no human, can assure salvation. Humans can help us come to and stay faithful to Christ, but He alone decides who are His sheep.

    • Duh.

      Who do you think Christ entrusted the doctrine of salvation to? That’s right, men, aka, the Church.

      • Tom_mcewen

        No human, that is not what Jesus said in Matthew, You must do the things that Christ commanded you to do. If you do what Christ commanded are you not a human. I don’t accept the Protestant belief you tortured out of the Bible as your reformers do. We are not made in the images of helpless animals but made in the image of God, we have our will and freedom to work out our salvation in fear and trembling. Christ doesn’t want slaves or helpless children but mankind worthy of being called his children. More Bible nonsense, Have the Holy Spirit do you, Grace Ziem?

        • I hope this wasn’t directed toward me…because I’m on your side, Tom.

          • Tom_mcewen

            No, I hit the wrong button that is why I put his her it name there, one verse out of 31,102 should we Apostolic Christians just throw the rest away or just ignore them. There are one third more Protestant denominations then verses, The Holy Spirit has been busy preaching the same knowledge to every born again Bible believer, no confusion there.

          • “[…] , one verse out of 31,102 should we Apostolic Christians just throw the rest away or just ignore them?”

            Absolutely not. A house cannot stand without solid foundation. There cannot be a solid foundation without the earth. There cannot be an earth unless God created the earth. A house cannot be built without an architect, an engineer, and master builder.

            Therefore, the Church, conceived and created by God, exists because His will her to exist. Christ the master builder took the blueprint and gave it to the builders, the apostles, in order for them to build the Church with Christ as the chief cornerstone. The cornerstone is the first stone laid that jump start the building process.

            The house cannot be declared safe until an inspector comes and ensure the house and all therein are within compliance of relevant building codes and laws. The Holy Spirit, always inspecting, guided the apostles and their successors through many councils, with the major seven councils that formally defined the doctrine we have today.

            Without the oversight of bishops and councils, how can a house of God passes inspection? Ever dividing, the Protestants, each taking the Scriptures and conceiving doctrine in order to deceive. Why does the evangelicals get to start their own building without proper authority and consecrations as demanded by the Scriptures? Because they created a rule where they could simply apply for a license and obtain federal ID to be waived from paying tax, and it’s a free-for-all when it comes to interpreting the Scriptures.

            But with no licensed inspector to declare a house safe, how can the flocks know they are being told the truth?

            While the Vatican have wicked leadership, the Holy Spirit still and continues to inspect the leadership, and inspires fearless leaders such as Cardinal Raymond Burke and Cardinal Sarah who are continuing to provide orthodox leadership in the face and in spite of opposition from anti-God leaders.

            God will not be mocked. Whatever a man sows, he shall reap its reward.

        • Grace Ziem

          No such thing as “Bible nonsense” Tom! The Bible is the infallible Word of God. It was given to us and preserved at great cost of blood of many Christian martyrs. Because we are created in God’s image, we can ask the Holy Spirit to give us discernment to properly interpret scripture. Your church has NOT TRUSTED THE HOLY SPIRIT to do this; my church does; so don’t keep attacking me.
          My church speaks out on pedophilia and Islam, at considerable risk to my pastor. He has been physically assaulted for this, please be more respectful of a man far more courageous than Frances.

          • Woody

            “Infalliable?” Then why did Luther hold up the Bible and say, “it is infallible” then read it and deleted 7 full books and threw hem away. So much for “infalliable” to Protestants.

          • Grace Ziem

            Luther didn’t delete those books and I am not Lutheran. You still haven’t answered why Christ doesn’t change YOUR communion cup to blood you can taste. Why can you just agree to disagree without ongoing insults?

          • Woody

            Evem my Lutheran friends do not deny that Luther deleted the 7 books.
            Again you insult God – Jesus by “Know the Truth and the truth SHALL SET YOU FREE.” Thank, you Jesus but Grace thinks you are creating insults—she has never had a course in logic or metaphysics I guess.

          • Grace Ziem

            False witness again, Woody. I didn’t deny it; I said I wasn’t a Lutheran (and I am frankly too busy caring for sick people to do your unnecessary research). I don’t know Luther’s role in this but Luther objected to the top levels of the Catholic church selling indulgences. How did I insult God: show me my quote where I insulted God! You can’t because I didn’t. You need to deal with the false witness issue seriously.

          • Grandmere

            You, apparently, are not too busy caring for sick people to keep up a running and pointless argument with Christians. Take care of the sick and leave well people alone.

          • Grandmere

            For goodness sake! He wanted to throw out the book of James! Why, after reading the book of James, do you think he considered it “straw”?

          • Tom_mcewen

            Infallible word of God? How do you prove that? There are 48162 Protestant denominations how do you get that out of an infallible word? 1 + 1 = 2 every time, you don’t get 48162 different answers for 1 + 1 = 2. Are you actually know what infallible means. If it means 48162 different interpretations of a set of words means you and your church is full of error. Infallible, where did the Apostolic fathers use that term, where does the Bible use it on itself. The church has a better claim, it is the pillar and foundation of truth.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Those MARTYRS just so happen to be CATHOLICS.

          • Grandmere

            SNAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Woody

      That is why He established His OneHolyUniversal(Catholic) and Apostolic Church and gave us His 7 Sacarments to make us Holy.

  • Grace Ziem

    Please let us pray for Muslims, that they find opportunities to come to Christ and that He move their heart toward Him and continue to guide them.

    • Woody

      Agree, 60,000,000 alone in Africa have converted to His Catholic Church. (past 20 years)

      • Grace Ziem

        This is very interesting, Woody, do you have more information on this?

        • Nan

          Why do you expect Woody to do your research for you?

          • Woody

            So true at her age she should have learned to google especially if she is a doctor. But then again as one protestant told me “Woody, you don’t understand us. Our pastors tell us all these errors and he just repeats the errors he learned from his pastor. They will not look or read the early Church Fathers many of whom wrote volumns because they would find the Truth. She has already shown similar traits saying Google has an error. Most of what I google I find is true by checking it out on other sources.

          • Grandmere

            Woody, she doesn’t have time. Between caring for the sick and schooling Catholics, she barely has time to take a drink of juice and eat a cracker.

          • Nan

            I understand that they’re discouraged from learning the Truth.

        • Woody

          They only want the True Church which Jesus founded and was followed for 1517 years after Jesus.

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  • Grandmere

    God sees the heart of each person. He alone can judge.

  • Grace Ziem

    There was a path to salvation also through the churches Paul founded. Peter was never mentioned as a founder of those churches.
    You will never convince me Christ ONLY left His entire body of believers in a church where the pope confuses Allah with Yahweh and has a group of pedophiles under his nose.

    • Now I know you cannot ever be taken seriously.

      “There was a path to salvation also through the churches Paul founded. Peter was never mentioned as a founder of those churches.”

      Of all the comments you written so far, this is by far the dumbest thing. “Was?” No, there still is a path to salvation through the Church.

      Who preached the first message? Peter. He led 3,000 to be baptized and saved on the first day of Pentecost. Paul came much later.

      Was Paul the only one to found a church?

      “You will never convince me Christ ONLY left His entire body of believers in a church where the pope confuses Allah with Yahweh and has a group of pedophiles under his nose.”

      There it is. The reason you habor hatred for the Catholics because of a really bad pope. Tell me, has there ever NOT been a bad pope through 2,000 years?

      • Grace Ziem

        Feeling paranoid, are we? I have NO hatred for Catholics, but I DO have a magnificent pastor. Ask Walid; he spoke at our church! Our pastor is a wonderful leader, example, and teacher, and good husband. He also knows prophesy well: before you make disparaging comments that may haunt you someday, I recommend our pastor’s teaching on Revelation, at fcfchurch.com. Session 2 is a great capsule of end times teaching. Wonderfully inspired by Walid’s teachings.

        I never said Paul was the only one to found a church; just that he did found some churches later recognized by Christ in Revelation, where Peter is not mentioned as having any role in the founding. You never addressed some of Peter’s mistakes: of course I know all humans err, but you seem to think popes are less fallible. Silly doctrine. All humans are fallible, some make bigger mistakes than others.

        Why did Francis say Allah and Yahweh are the same God (shortened summary)? Is Francis ignorant of scripture of the 2 faiths? Or is he pandering to Muslim opinion?

        Why has Francis allowed pedophiles among his clerical associates and assistants? Does he so seriously lack discernment? Or worse?
        I sincerely wanted to admire Francis, but these are issues that seriously trouble me. My pastor would NEVER make either blunder!

        • Oh wow! Your pastor is a saint!

          Sarcasm aside; you think Paul is greater than Peter? No. He simply confronted Peter because he was being hypocritical on a certain issue and nothing more. Paul labored more because he felt unworthy of his calling and because he was afraid of losing his salvation. It is what drove him.

          The fact you think the pope is not infallible shows an ignorance of their doctrine, par for the course. Francis speak as a man when he offers opinion. He is not like past pope who weigh every words they say carefully and with care. Second, the Catholics are aware of the problems within the Church and are fighting back. Instead of helping them, you are adding kersone to the flames, making their battle harder to fight. Some friend you are.

          I have no interest in reading or listening to evangelicals who don’t align themselves with the thinking and understanding of the Early Church Fathers.

          • Grace Ziem

            You haven’t responded to my observations on Francis; why should I join a church led by a misguided man? I am in deep admiration of OUR church fathers; they didn’t think of themselves as Catholic and many would have been appalled that a later “church” would murder people who wanted to translate scripture from Latin. Or sell “indulgences”! Or sell prayers to the dead! (so the poor would be worried about fewer prayers!)
            You forget I am a physician, and I have Catholic patients I love who worry about not being able to afford enough prayers! So I have no respect for your self-righteous attitude; even Christ was humble in conduct and manner, sir.

          • And I have no respect for your snobbery and attacking Catholics either. Christ was humble in conduct and manner.

            Good riddance.

          • For the record, Trevor, I have never claimed to be perfect. I am all too aware of my own shortcoming and fault.

            Therefore, I now forbid myself to engage with Grace Ziem.

          • Kamau41

            I’m glad you have forbidden yourself from further dialoguing with Grace. She has quite a history of attacking Catholics. Nothing new.
            But, we are reminded of what Jesus said in the Gospel of St. Matt 13:10-17 in context with the Parable of the Sower, quoting also right from the words of the great Prophet Isaiah 6:9-10:
            “And his disciples came and said to him: Why speakest thou to them in parables? Who answered and said to them: Because to you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven: but to them it is not given. For he that hath, to him shall be given, and he shall abound: but he that hath not, from him shall be taken away that also which he hath. Therefore do I speak to them in parables: because seeing they see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. And the prophecy of Isaias is fulfilled in them, who saith: By hearing you shall hear, and shall not understand: and seeing you shall see, and shall not perceive. For the heart of this people is grown gross, and with their ears they have been dull of hearing, and their eyes they have shut: lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. But blessed are your eyes, because they see, and your ears, because they hear. For, amen, I say to you, many prophets and just men have desired to see the things that you see, and have not seen them, and to hear the things that you hear and have not heard them.”

          • Grace Ziem

            Expressing my concern about the pope is not “attacking Catholics”. I know you aren’t supportive of pedophilia nor do you agree that Allah is Yahweh. I have often tried a humble approach here, and I usually got attacked worse.
            I am 73, and have grown much spiritually: we are all hopefully in a process of spiritually growing. I prefer humility, but if you look at responses, they can be just as vicious when I am humble as not.

            I disagree with people attacking Catholics: I have seen that and I disagree with it. I know the ugly things that get said, and I think people need to leave more of the judging to Christ. I think we should all do that. I am very sorry if I have hurt you, Trevor.

          • Woody

            Truth is ONE and contradictions cannot exist at the same time so truth is what Jesus wants “Know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free.” He does not see “Truth” as vicious.

          • Woody

            Read the letter of Ignatius Biship of Antioch (3rd) 107 AD, on his way to be eaten by lions; prior to this Jesus Church as named “The Way.” Ignatius renamed it the “Catholic” Church and has been called that for the 2000 years since. You are confusing the condition (sinful) of a small number of Church Members which fail and that is why Jesus knew this happens when He gave us the Sacrament of Penance (confession) “Whose sins you shall forgivee they are forgiven them; whose sins you shall retain they are not forgiven them.” To follow Christ one must follow ALL that he teaches including “That ALL may be ONE.”
            E.g., “If there is only one GOD (and there is) if a Muslim says I believe in God, and Francis says I believe in God–logically it has to be the same God (this is all Francis meant).

          • So true!

          • Grace Ziem

            That is not the way it was reported. Frances may have been afraid of Islamic terror, but we all need to be courageous. Frances needs to lead with wisdom and courage.

            And are you criticizing our Orthodox brethren for being in a different church? It is similar but a separate church from the Catholic church.
            Woody, we need to all be caring about each other during these “end times”: things will get VERY nasty; we know that from prophesy. We need to pray sincerely and humbly, and love each other. Church, or ecclesia, means the “called out assembly of believers”. We can’t all assemble in one place.

            The different churches Paul started as described in Acts are discussed by Christ in Revelation; they were in different locations, not all started by Paul (none by Peter), and ALL referred to by Christ as different churches. “The church in Ephesus”, “the church in Smyrna”, “the church in Pergamum”, ” the church in Thyatira”, “the church in Sardis”, “the church in Philadelphia”, and “the church in Laodicea” .

            Christ says “let them hear what the spirit says to the churches” (PLURAL): Are you saying Christ was wrong and there is 1 church only? Christ in Revelation said there were 7. He was telling John about in this in Holy scripture.

          • Woody

            You are confusing “church” with Church from whence the first 19 Popes beginning with Peter were maryred; I have 6 “churches” in my neighborhood but they are all “CATHOLIC” and no one confuses them as being “different.” Christ said, “Thou art Cephas [Rock] (Peter) and upon this rock I will build my CHURCH.” And He did 266 heads later we are still in existence. Christ being the ONE God only needed the ONE Church for he is ONE.

          • Grace Ziem

            Woody, Christ referred to Peter in this verse as petros (rock/stone), and for the foundation He will build His church on Christ used the word petra (rock foundation). He did NOT say He would build His church on petros (Peter). Christ was clear about His language and thus His meaning.

            I agree Peter was a wonderful and very important person in the founding of the church, as was Peter. James, the brother of Jesus, was a great leader in the Jerusalem churches. Peter and James focused on the Jews near Jerusalem and bring as many of them to Christ as possible: a vital task but not easy.

            Why your need for a religious monopoly? Do you reject the Orthodox Church too? They don’t consider themselves part of the Roman Catholic church. We are facing very hard times soon, with rise of the antichrist and his evil empire. Why can’t we be supportive of each other instead of fighting? Christ wants us to love one another, not insult one another. Blessings.

          • Nan

            The location in which Crist told Peter he was the rock on which the church would be built is important as well. It definitely refers to Peter ad they were at a former pagan temple, once believed to be the gateway to Hades as there’s an apparently bottomless pit.

            The reference in context is definitely to Peter.

            I know it’s hard because your church teaches you otherwise in order to keep you as a member.

            With regard to the Orthodox, schism was bilaterally lifted when Pope Paul VI met with the patriarch, I believe in the 60s.

            Before the Great Schism there was one church. Both Catholic and Orthodox properly claim to be the only Church thst Jesus founded.

            Protestant churches were all created by men, usually when they disagreed with church teaching.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Does your dear church teach you that Jesus and his 12 disciples all spoke ARAMAIC??? Jesus would have said to Simon ‘ you are KEPHA AND ONE THIS KEPHA I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH’. END of YOUR FAKE CHURCH’S INTERPRETATION.

            Now run ask your hubby why Jesus installs Peter as the CHIEF SHEPHERD of ALL of Jesus’ sheep. Tell hubbynhe can find this is in the Gospel of St John.

            What man started your church ?

          • Nan

            Note also that there are 23 sui juris churches, not just the church of Rome that are catholic.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            You need confession – sorely and immediately.

          • Nan

            You forget that it is Jesus leading the Catholic church.

            Being a physician doesn’t make you better or more discerning than others.

          • Grace Ziem

            No, I don’t think Paul is greater than Peter: I leave such judgement to Christ. I love and admire both of them with all my heart. Peter’s life shows us that even when we “mess up”, if we return to Christ in humility, He loves and redeems us. It is an example of great redemption! Paul’s life also: from murderer to blessed: we see modern examples of this: God doesn’t give up on people as easily as I fear we humans tend to do.Trevor: can’t we do less fighting and more praying?

          • Woody

            Truth is what is important; because it sets one free. Even here you show that God forgives in Peter (sinner) and ST Paul, yet you give examples of a Church not being Jesus’ Church because of sinners (like Pedophiles); which is not logical; yet the Catholic Church also has never taught that any Pope is “infallible” – only in “Matters of Faith and Morals” [dogma} so it is your own misinterpretations of Jesus’ Church which is erroneous…you have many other errors e.g. somone here and there sold indulgences therefore this cannot be Jesus Church. The Church admitted this itself and condemned the practices.

          • Grace Ziem

            Someone “here and there sold indulgences’?? It was an approved practice at the highest level of the Catholic church at the time so many were “protesting” and a MAJOR cause of splitting in the church. On this issue, the “protesters: were right and the church was wrong. Because humans make mistakes. Following Christ and scripture FIRST with sincere prayer helps us avoid serious mistakes.
            Misinterpreting Islam and pedophilia are 2 MAJOR spiritual errors today. On both I keep waiting for Frances to lead; I would be happy to see him leading in these areas, even belatedly. Let me know if he does; I will pray for this, especially because he influences millions of believers. This is why it bothers me so much. (Actually Franklin Graham has led better on these 2 issues than Frances has..Franklin is less concerned about “pleasing people” than even his more famous father; God warns about the danger of “people pleasing”.) Let’s both pray for Frances to be couragous on these 2 MAJOR issues facing the world today!
            .

          • Nan

            Why are you lying? One bishop sold indulgences, which has never been an approved church practice.

            If I were you, I’d go to church and pray for forgiveness on Tuesday, the Assumption, or, if you prefer, Dormition, of Mary.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Where did you find your scriptures ??? We had them before your sect was even thought of. Why did you take 7 books out?

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Great – we see how you operate Grace – open the door and throw a dozen of raw eggs – when the people inside the house throw the broken aggs back at you, you change gears and ask, ‘can’t we do less fighting and more praying?”Quit instigating a fight then fault the responders. You remind me of Nero – he set fire to Rome and blamed THE CATHOLICS for it.

          • Grace Ziem

            I guess the other Catholics gave up and sent Julie in… I am a physician; I have seen LOTS of blood: delivering babies, doing surgery, suturing lacerations. Those pictures Woody referred me to on the Google sites were NOT blood; you all believe what you want and, like children, get mad at people who don’t agree. I always hated the anti-Catholic comments; but too many of you are hateful; there is no other word for it.

          • Grandmere

            No. They didn’t give up. When Catholic Julie comes in she brings Anglican Grandmere with her. You say “I always hated anti-Catholic comments.” You have been on yet another of your pointless anti-Catholic adventures. Leave them alone and go after the prosperity gospel crowd. That is a “field of medicine” that is white unto harvest.

          • Woody

            No, Grandmere is right – we did not give up on the Truth and still follow Jesus’ command “Go Forth and Teach all nations.”
            Even logically since over 40,000+ churches all preach opposite things it does not make any sense. My favorite convert is on utube and he is so funny; been in many Protestant churches and once swore he would never enter a (oh-Michael Cumbie) Catholic Churche and once when he did he looked up at the Tabernacle (where Christ sits) and dropped immediately to his knees in Adorartion – he has quite a story.. His humor today “anytime he mentions Purgatory he swipes his lips letting out farting noises. See him on utube.

          • Grandmere

            A member of my church, a former Baptist, decided to come one Sunday out of curiosity. He said he sat on the back row in case he needed to make a quick exit. When the procession started, he said he started to tear up. Said he cried the whole time. He was cut to the quick with the truth. He was willing to admit that he had been mislead his whole life. Grace, on the other hand, expects us to believe that we have been mislead. She says, “This teaching is too hard for me”. Well, it’s not too hard for us.

          • Woody

            What’s hard about following Jesus words and then following them; most Prostestants know there was only One Church until 1517, and He did say He was building His Church on Kephas (after changing Peter’s name from Siimon because Simon does not mean Rock as Peter does; also all historians show an unbroken line of Heads (Popes) 266 from Peter to Francis today.
            My favorite Pope was Fabian who wandered in a papal election by mistake and a dove landed on his head so they elected him pope. God knows who he wants.

          • Grandmere
          • Accurate rendition. Like the chef says, this site is known to have brawls.

          • Grandmere

            The little birds told me the black one was called Woody. ROFL

          • And the other one?

          • Grandmere

            Today it’s Grace. Tomorrow? Who knows.

          • Woody

            Truth is not fighting but following Jesus as He directed, “Know the Truth and the Turth sall set you FREE.” why stay captive?

          • Tom_mcewen

            His pastor needs to go to Rome and tell Francis to get up, you are sitting in My chair. I would worry about setting up false idols. No one thinks Francis is not fallible, but we only know from what the media tells us, so it is hard to know, but he was handled a baby with a tumor the size of a walnut, who next no tumor, a baby with two holes in the heart, next day only one and the other one repairing. Two witnesses one the media and one mystery

          • As part of my daily regime, I go to OCA.org and read the daily reading. This week, it covered the Epistles to the Corinthians, and there was something St. Paul said that I never noticed before.

            “Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers through whom you believed, as the Lord gave to each one? I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase. So then neither he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase. Now he who plants and he who waters are one, and each one will receive his own reward according to his labor,” (1 Corinthians 3:5-8).

            You mentioned that you despise Protestants’ belief because of the myriad confusion and different creeds, and that is because they do not adhere to what St. Paul wrote, that one who plants and one who waters are one. In other words, St. Paul may have laid the foundation for the Corinthians, and Apollos may have built on top of it, but it is God whom gave the increase. Therefore, to say we follow only St. Paul or only Apollos, is to give confusions.

            Even though I am soon to be confirmed as an Anglican Catholic, I am all too aware of the painful separation between Anglicans and Rome, between Rome and Moscow, and at the risk of letting my left hand know what the right hand is doing, I devote the Rosary to pray for the end of all Schism every Friday. Pray for us to come again into communion with Rome, and for Rome and Moscow to come again into communion, so that we would all be One as Christ intended.

          • Woody

            There are whole Anglican congregations the came into communion with Rome brought in only a few years ago by Francis’ predicessor, Pope Benedict, and I understand they aree very happy with their decision–most in the Washington, D.C. area. So it is already happeniing. A great Blessing.

          • I know of those.

          • Grandmere

            Well said, my brother. Yesterday (Friday) I was at the church setting up for Sunday. I am co-chair of the Altar Guild. Usually we are done by noon, but yesterday we took longer than usual. Every Friday at noon a group does the Stations of the Cross. As we were finishing, they were doing the Stations. If someone had walked in off the street, I believe they would have been struck to their knees by the power of the Holy Spirit.

          • I missed the Stations of the Cross during Holy Week. Seem like it can be done anytime?

          • Nan

            Of course it can be done anytime. You can buy the booklet. People do it all the time.

            If you were Catholic you’d know that and would belong to a parish that has stations of the cross every Friday of lent instead of one without valid holy orders.

          • Grandmere

            I know you are devout in the faith. Have you no love? You always push people away with your lack of charity. I expect you to come back at me with an equally nasty remark but I’m used to it so don’t waste the time.

          • Nan

            Pointing out error is a spiritual work of mercy. It’s inexplicable that someone who knows the truth would remain in or convert to the Anglican communion.

          • Woody

            And the next 2 Cathoic councils put the New Testament together so why Protestants think they know it better than its creators mystifies me. Even Purgatory is in Macabees.

          • That is no mystery.

            By relying exclusively on the Bible alone, they derived doctrine that were already dogmatically defined and defended by the early Church Fathers. The Seven Ecumenical Councils made those doctrines formal which meant that the universal Church were expected to abide by it.

            Example: the word, Trinity, is not found anywhere in the Scriptures; yet the concept is clearly there, and perhaps was well explained by St. Ignatius to the Philippians:

            There is then one God and Father, not two or three; One who is; and there is no other besides Him, the only true [God]. For “the Lord thy God,” saith [the Scripture], “is one Lord.” And again, “Hath not one God created us?” Have we not all one Father? And there is also one Son, God the Word. For “the only-begotten Son,” saith [the Scripture], “who is in the bosom of the Father.” And again, “One Lord Jesus Christ.” And in another place, “What is His name, or what His Son’s name, that we may know?” And there is also one Paraclete. For “there is also,” saith [the Scripture], “one Spirit,” since “we have been called in one hope of our calling.” And again, “We have drunk of one Spirit,” with what follows. And it is manifest that all these gifts [possessed by believers] “worketh one and the self-same Spirit.” There are not then either three Fathers, or three Sons, or three Paraclete, but one Father, and one Son, and one Paraclete. Wherefore also the Lord, when He sent forth the apostles to make disciples of all nations, commanded them to “baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost,” not unto one [person] having three names, nor into three [persons] who became incarnate, but into three possessed of equal honor.” Chapter II – Unity of three divine persons. St. Ignatius Epistle to the Philippians

            As one can see, St. Ignatius had clear knowledge of the Scriptures by citing Old and New Testament sources.

            Protestants don’t really have a leg to stand on because the theology many hold to have, as stated already, been formally defined by the Seven Ecumenical Councils. As Cardinal John Newman said so eloquently, “To be deep in history is to cease being Protestant.”

          • Nan

            Yet you’re going to be confirmed in a protestant church.

          • Tom_mcewen

            I see Europe going into the darkness of atheism caused by what was Western Protestant Europe, because of the everyone is right mush, this mush is deadly and I am upset when I see Evangelicals to to Russia with the same 18th mush that is not worship but a lecture given every direction but a solid one. Orthodox Russia is getting back on their feet and these guys show up with shifting sands theology which ends with it is not important, just listen to your personal relationship with the Holy Spirit, he will tell you which way to go, agnostic or atheist is fine too. The foundation of the Bible as your solo guide is dependent on the Greek text of 1100AD or of the Alexandria text, the quality of the translators, their injection of personal theology, interpretation by the reader, the pastor the church, the culture, their history and it is not the Bible alone but a civilization killer. I don’t want Protestants within 1000 miles of Moscow. They need to be tempered by suffering, which they claim but are always absence from, either by verse, belief that they are chosen not to suffer or being cowards.

          • I understand what you are saying about “mush.” It’s not just Europe. America is also drowning in “mush” of confusion.

            The greatest problem lies in pride. It is why pride goes before destruction. The antidote to pride is humility. I marvel at how the Russian Orthodox Church is rebounding. I think Russia was right to ban Jehovah’s Witness and find it highly hypocritical that Protestants, who have longed contended that the JW are cult, suddenly comes to their defense and lecture at how wrong Russia was to do what is right.

            They hate the Virgin Mary and our veneration of her because they have an incomplete theology. That makes them hate the Catholic Church, first, and the Orthodox Church, second. Since they have an incomplete theology, they hate those who turns to the ancient writings and wisdom of the Church Fathers – St. Irenaneus, Justin Martyr, St. Ignatius, St. Augustine, to name a few – because their writings refutes Scripture Alone argument.

          • Nan

            So why become a protestant again?

          • Nan

            If the Holy Fire wasn’t real, thousands of peo0le wouldn’t have waited all day in the hot sun outside ofJaffa Gate for someone to bring it to us.

          • Tom_mcewen

            The science is good on supporting the case of Holy Fire as is History.

          • Nan

            God’s grace.

        • Woody

          Bottom line; only the Church founded by Jesus while on earth has His Body and Blood to give His members each time they receive Him in Communion; not receiving Him is quite a loss.

          • Grace Ziem

            Really: was a big vial of Christ’s blood and flesh put aside and kept for a single denomination. NO!
            We both know that turning juice to blood and bread to flesh would take a miracle only God can do.
            EVERY SINGLE MIRACLE of the Bible was obvious to everyone around. People didn’t need to pretend the lame could walk, the blind see, the lepers cleansed, ETC. Everyone could tell. Any scientific test would have confirmed the miracle. When Christ healed my sister of 100 tumors in her abdomen, science confirmed it!
            So you feel the bread is flesh and the juice is blood, but we both know that NO SCIENTIFIC TEST WOULD CONFIRM IT!
            Sir, I KNOW God is perfectly capable of turning bread into flesh and juice to blood so EVERYONE could tell, and so scientific testing would confirm it. You act as if that is too hard for God: it’s NOT! So God is chosing to NOT do that and you are blaming me? Sir, you are mixed up!

          • Woody

            Pretty clear “Unless you eat of MY FLESH and DRINK OF MY BLOOD, you shall have NO life within you.” Jesus
            To be a denomination there has to ben more than one, and Jesus founded only ONE Church–no denomination.Churches founded by “men” 1517 years after Jesus could possibly be the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church of Jesus. You can also google “Line of popes” and find it “unbroken” from the time of Jesus beginning with Peter – google is NOT a Catholic site!

            Google also “miracles of the Eucharist” throughout history – all beyound science (they have no explanation for it e.g. the blood coming out of a host.)
            It is NOT juice it is Wine.
            I just had a shoulder injury canceled since 3 or 4 people prayed over me and the prayers healed my; my “scientific” surgeon cannot explain it.

          • Grace Ziem

            Well, your surgeon could probably tell your shoulder was better even if he didn’t know why. (I am a physician).
            If a lab tested your Eucharist cup, would they find blood? Because God CAN do this; I know that! My question is, does He?
            When He does miracles, it is always obvious to everyone! You haven’t convinced me He does this. Does it clot? (blood clots within minutes). Does the wafer taste like flesh to you? Would everyone agree it looks and tastes like flesh?

            For Christ’s true miracles, no one has to try and believe: they are OBVIOUS TO ALL!
            Are you saying Christ is talking to a pope who mixes up Yahweh and Allah and who has pedophiles among his advisers? If so, Frances isn’t listening!

          • Woody

            The Church is a hospital for sinners; all sin be they Protestant, Catholic, anything, even your Pastor believe it or not.

          • Grace Ziem

            Agree! My pastor agrees also. Only God is perfect, as Christ reminds us.

          • Nan

            Hard heart you have. Bread and wine become flesh and blood although they retain the outward appearance of bread and wine.

            I’m off to Adoration, where I will generate the Host, an unassuming disc of umleavened bread that is His real presence.

          • Woody

            Yes, I love Adoration – there are 525 of us sitting each day with Jesus in the Host so He is never left alone. He loves it.

          • Nan

            It was wonderful.

          • Grandmere

            It’s obvious, you have never read a Eucharistic prayer.

          • From the Book of Common Prayer:

            “Wherefore, O Lord and heavenly Father, according to the institution of thy dearly beloved Son our Saviour Jesus Christ, we, thy humble servants, do celebrate and make here before thy Divine Majesty, with these thy holy gifts, which we now offer unto thee, the memorial thy Son hath commanded us to make; having in remembrance his blessed passion and precious death, his mighty resurrection and glorious ascension; rendering unto thee most hearty thanks for the innumerable benefits procured unto us by the same.

            And we most humbly beseech thee, O merciful Father, to hear us; and, of thy almighty goodness, vouchsafe to bless and sanctify, with thy Word and Holy Spirit, these thy gifts and creatures of bread and wine; that we, receiving them according to thy Son our Saviour Jesus Christ’s holy institution, in remembrance of His death and passion, may be partakers of his most blessed Body and Blood.

            And we earnestly desire thy fatherly goodness, mercifully; most humbly beseeching thee to grant that, by the merits and death of thy Son Jesus Christ, and through faith in his blood, we, and all thy whole Church, may obtain remission of our sins, and all other benefits of his passion. And here we offer and present unto thee, O Lord, our selves, our souls and bodies, to be a reasonable, holy, and living sacrifice unto thee; humbly beseeching thee, that we, and all others who shall be partakers of this Holy Communion, may worthily receive the most precious Body and Blood of thy Son Jesus Christ, be filled with thy grace and heavenly benediction, and made one body with him, that he may dwell in us, and we in him. And although we are unworthy, through our manifold sins, to offer unto thee any sacrifice; yet we beseech thee to accept this our bounden duty and service; not weighing our merits, but pardoning our offences, through Jesus Christ our Lord; by whom, and with whom, in the unity of the Holy Ghost, all honour and glory be unto thee, O Father Almighty, world without end. Amen,” (pg 80-81).

            Then after we have finished consuming the Bread and Wine, we return to our seats and together with the priests, while kneeling, we say the following prayer of thanksgiving:

            “Almighty and everliving God, we most heartily thank thee, for that thou dost vouchsafe to feed us who have duly received these holy mysteries, with the spiritual food of the most precious Body and Blood of thy Son our Saviour Jesus Christ; and dost assure us thereby of thy favour and goodness towards us; and that we are very members incorporate in the mystical body of thy Son, which is the blessed company of all faithful people; and are also heirs through hope of thy everlasting kingdom, by the merits of his most precious death and passion. And we humbly beseech thee, O heavenly Father, so to assist us with thy grace, that we may continue in that holy fellowship, and do all such good works as thou has prepared for us to walk in; through Jesus Christ our Lord, to whom, with thee and the Holy Ghost, be all honour and glory, world without end. Amen,” (pg. 83).

            Those prayers clearly demonstrates our belief that Christ is truly present in the Sacrament of the Eucharist; of our obedience as Christ commanded, “Do this ye in remembrance of Me”; as the primitive Church did in Acts when they regularly met daily, breaking bread, in addition to fellowship and serving the people as well as the Lord.

          • Grandmere

            Amen. I know that by heart. I checked out her church website. It is praise band and blue jean speaker. I doubt she has ever had the guts to attend an apostolic church. You and I understand all about her.

          • The last church I left was a Foursquare. The last service I attended to was nothing but a circus.

            There was this “prophet” that came in for a visit and next thing I know, he has the pastor and his wife up on the stage (I refuse to call it an altar because I know what an altar looks like now), and 90% of the congregation were up front and on their knees. Then that “prophet” starting speaking in gibberish (or as they like to suppose, in tongue), laughing in between when someone “interprets” what he is saying, and resume gibberish. He quoted something from the Scripture and gave an interpretation that was so warped it put me in a very sour mood.

            Never went back. I tried to go back to a baptist church in town, and just couldn’t do it. Visited St. Jude Catholic Church, but didn’t like them having a huge cross on the side instead of where it belongs (I get that the building design may have something to do with it). Visited St. Mary Catholic Church for a while, tried out the RCIA class, but were frustrated in their lack of communication (this is something that still makes my wife tears up), and we were without a parish until she called St. Peter’s. We were answered by Mrs. Darby, and the rest is history.

            I have a fondness for listening to Georgian, Russian, Arabic, and Anglican chants. So sublime and beautiful in praising God. The rock band style worship is designed for one thing – to put a person into an emotional high, and frankly, I don’t find any difference between that style and the Sufi-worship style.

          • jimmy
          • Grace Ziem

            Interesting: as I said, of course God CAN do this. Interesting it was never published, as is required in the scientific world. The article mentions (the sacraments) typically (unlike this UNUSUAL appearance) look and taste like bread and wine. This is unlike ALL other of Christ’s miracles.
            Jimmy, this is interesting but lack of published lab methods and results would not convince scientists. I do believe God CAN do anything, I haven’t seen evidence He has done it in YOUR communion.
            Since miracles by Christ have ALWAYS been obvious to everyone, you haven’t convinced me this bread & wine conversion to flesh and blood usually happens. Priests CAN’T make it happen; only God can.
            I have seen miracles of healing by a few evangelical healers, so I know that healing miracles can still happen. As a physician I have occasionally seen miracles of healing, but I don’t claim to do them nor do I try. God certainly does still do miracles.
            As a physician, I know a few patients who had near-death experiences: the miracle of the spirit being free of the body is something we will all experience. It happened to me as a very young child, and I look forward to joining Christ. I wish that for you also. Blessings

          • jimmy

            of course god can do that and he did do it, no devil could pull that off. it’s sad that god goes to such great lengths and you’re still not convinced that the blood of Jesus has been found in the Eucharist despite empirical evidence. it is the bread of life. who said priest can make it happen? of course they can’t did you even read all the stories in the link? there was a priest like you that didn’t believe that Jesus”s real presence was in the Eucharist and Jesus showed him otherwise. blessings to you too.

          • Grace Ziem

            So why are you so angry about something only God can do?. I believe in His miracles. Why do you need to fight?

          • jimmy

            I’m not angry. just showing you the Eucharist contains the real presence of Jesus.

          • Woody

            There are many miracles of the Host “bleeding.” Can be googled easily.

          • Grace Ziem

            There may well be. Have you ever seen it? Or does God only change other people’s bread/wine?

          • Woody

            No Jesus gave His first Bishops (priests), the Apostles, the power over the Eucharist when at the Last Supper (the first Mass) “This is My Body this is My Blood. Do this in commemoration of me.”

          • Woody

            Interesting you pass over Jesus own words “Unless you EAT of MY FLESH and DRINK of MY BLOOD, you shall have NO LIFE within YOU.” Thus it is you who are making Him a liar. His words are as plain as can be. (18 CLEAR words)

          • Grace Ziem

            No, He is never a liar. When He said I am the vine, He did not mean He was a plant. You don’t imply He was a liar here, I hope! He was sitting at the table, His blood had not been spilled: no where are we told there was blood in that cup passed or that the disciples broke flesh: they broke bread. Why do you keep arguing this:
            1) Christ can convert the elements to blood and flesh anytime He wants to; I NEVER said He can’t or hasn’t
            2) This requires a miracle by Christ; no human can do it
            3) ALL miracles of Christ were obvious to everyone; everyone knew the lame walked, the blind regained sight, the dead arose, etc.
            4) You have never seen blood or tasted flesh in your communion, so are you saying all of a sudden Christ can’t do it in the obvious way He always did miracles? He can, so why doesn’t He? I think He wants us to have better faith and not make it so obvious that the cold-hearted will go through the motions without deeper faith. I believe He has good reasons and I trust Him on that (and every) issue. I am NOT trying to undermine your faith; at any time we can agree to disagree, but I have good faith reasons also, so you should STOP condemning me!

          • Woody

            The First Mass, the Last Supper where the Lord Jesus passed on the miracle of the Eucharist to his first priests (the Apostles, telling them to “DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME” (and they still do today
            in defense of this teaching is from Jesus’ words during the last supper when He first instituted communion, where Jesus says of the bread “this is MY BODY” and of the wine “this is MY BLOOD” To the Roman Catholic, this seems as straightforward as it can get.
            St Paul also affrims Jesus Body and Blood in his warning remarks about receiving the Communion “Unworthily” [mere bread and mere wine cannot be recieived “Unworthily”
            {you say that “Chist being God can do anything He wants yet you say he cannot pass onto humans the power to change bread and wine into His Body and Blood (Do this in commemoration of Me.” (your # 2 above and of course each time it is done it IS a MIRACLE (no one denies this)
            “Know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free.”

            So I guess you see Jesus as “condemning you.”
            Truth is ONE or as Jesus said “That ALL may be ONE” not 40,000 + disparate churchs which violates the first rule of logic [two opposites cannot be true at the same time]
            The Orthodox are recognize by Rome as having split from the Catholic Church in 1054, means for 1053 years they were one with Rome–showing a direct line from Jesus to Peter to the 266 Fathers (Head; Popes) today (the first 19 having died for Jesus as Martyrs)

          • Grace Ziem

            You know your cup doesn’t taste like blood (if it did, I am sure you would have said so by now), so why are you still arguing, You haven’t addressed most of my comments, and I don’t think you can; you just keep repeating the same mantras. If you can’t answer, why not give it a rest?

          • Woody

            Jesus created science—on the one hand you say “Jesus can do anything he wants” and now you insist that He has to make wine taste like blood? Really–why then at the First Mass–the Last Supper He held up the wine cup and said, “This is MY BLOOD.” Note he did not say, I have do what Grace wants of me and make it taste like blood; because she does not know that I created blood in the first place and can make it taste like anything she wants.” She has little faith in the Church I created or in any my words which she continually distorts prefering to sit with the churchs made by men some 1500 years after I created MY ONE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH–does she honestly think I, GOD, need man’s help in creating MY Church after all – I AM GOD so why does she correct me all the time.
            Read you Bible–which Catholics wrote–every thing I said is in there except in yours – you have 7 books misssing “oops! there went Purgatory!”

          • Grace Ziem

            I NEVER said Christ HAS to make wine taste like blood; Woody, you have repeated examples of false witness and you should be smart enough to know when you are making false statements.
            I trust Christ on this issue. I think you are admitting your cup doesn’t look or taste like blood, So are you saying it is blood? If so, are you saying that, as blood,it could be used for transfusions (since real blood can be used this way). Or is your Christ limited to making “pretend blood” for YOUR communion cup? My Christ is not limited to making “pretend blood”…

          • Grandmere

            Dr. Ziem, you have to keep in mind that this site is run by a Roman Catholic. The articles are written from that perspective. If you appreciate Walid’s insight on end times and the decline of Christian influence in society, do not let yourself get triggered by Catholic doctrine. Trying to argue about the Church’s teaching on the Eucharist is like kicking a hornet’s nest. Expect to get stung. You will not change your opinion. You will not change theirs. Best to stop now, doctor your stings and remember not to go there again. This has been kind of painful to watch

          • Julie LaBrecque

            She just blasphemed Jesus – majorly – she should be taken to the wood shed.

          • Grandmere

            Oh, she’s been to the wood shed. The one with the hornet nest in the corner. She’s been there more than once. Why does she keep going back. She says “live and let live” and “love one another” but she keeps trying to convert Christians to her brand of Christianity. Only a fool makes the same mistake twice.

          • Woody

            You need a doctor; now you have two Christs??
            It is Jesus who raised the cup at the Last Supper and said, “This is MY Blood.” Then he gave the Apostles the power to Transubstantiate, (as priests); none of this is surprising to Orthodox, Catholics, Byzantines or Coptics or all of the early Christians;
            In John VI when Jesus told the crowd of 3000 Jews He was giving them His Body and Blood–like you, they rejected Him and walked away from Him. Note that He let them go and did not run after them saying,, “Oh no you misunderstand..” Like you they did not have enought Faith to know that Jesus, being God could do this. Jesus does not make pretend blood.

          • Nan

            Google Eucharistic Miracles. You’ll find otherwise.

            In Lanciano, the Eucharist became flesh. Incidentally, His blood type is AB.

            The priest calls upon the Holy Spirit to turn the bread and wine into His flesh and blood, although it retains the outward appearance of bread and wine. Only works in churches with Apostolic succession, with valid holy orders.

            Although grape juice won’t become the Precious Blood….

          • Woody

            I told her all this, but Jesus did mention her too “Oh, thou of little faith.”
            And you have the correct blood type of Jesus which also matches the Should of Turin (which she will deny too–some physician)

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Grace – you give low hanging fruit – you’ve just cut your own throat. Atheists use YOUR ARGUMENT – science must prove God exists. Congratulations. You’ve just handed atheists a victory.
            Care to examine the Eucharistic miracles – which SCIENCE has tested and PROVEN them to be HEART tissue – type AB blood. Checkkmate.

          • Grandmere

            Juice can never be turned to blood. But wine can. You are a juice bar believer. No wonder nothing ever changes for you.

        • Woody

          Francis is not Jesus Church; that is like saying you would have left because Jesus had Judas (and no comparison here) Neither is your pastor your “church.” You fail to mention the other 265 Popes since Jesus, most of whom were very holy men, yet a few rascals were in there (very few), and the first 19 died for Jesus under the Romans. If anything to be consistent that should attract you to Jesus Church. Your logic is so weak.

          • Grandmere

            I was raised in a church like Grace’s. A non denominational, pastor worshiping cult. They were under his thumb and if they had any doubts, they kept their head down in fear of being shunned. I can understand these non denoms in a way that most cannot. By the time I reached the age of reason I knew deep down that that preacher was wrong and I actually pitied my own parents for their cowardice. I put my head in the books, went to summer school and graduated high school when I was sixteen. Went on to college and followed a different path. At the end, my mother, in her eighties joined me. Her non denom pastor from her former church (she had moved out of state by that time and I brought her back to rest by my father) refused to even attend her funeral because it was Anglican. I kid you not.

    • Nan

      Paul didn’t found protestant churches.

      • Woody

        Correct they were 1517+ years away from Christ, and Protestants all use the New Testament originated by the Catholic Church at the two Councils after Nicea (also a “Catholic” Council) The 266 Popes were there though in a direct line from Jesus’s Rock – Peter _ when He said “Thou are Kepha (Petros) (Rock) and upon this Kepha I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH.” It has now lasted over 2000 years.

    • Woody

      Your logic is as logical as saying “the CEO of Ford moter Co as never mentioned as the many dealerships of Ford products in Cleveland or any city for that matter. ONE CEO = Many Dealerships

    • Woody

      To think that our God, Jesus would found a Church without a leader is ludicrous. It is like “I am going to found the Chevrolet Motor Co today but there will be NO leader; Dealerships will sprout up by themselves. Peter before establishing His SEE at Rome was the first Bishop of Antioch. James, another Biship under Peter was the first Biship of Jerusalem.
      Paul was not even an Apostle – he later an honorary title being named by the Church as the Apostle of the Gentiles. All of the Apostles under Peter obeyed Jesus Command and “went forth to teach all nations.
      Even the Hollywood elite, many pagans, understood that Peter was the leader if you have even seen the movie “AD” Peter is all over it as the head. Piter is mentioned 196 times first in the NT whenever the Apostles are mentioned; only once is he mentioned 2nd; the next most mentioned Apostle is St John 29 times in the NT.

  • I find nothing wrong with what the pope said, “We are all poor sinners in need of God’s mercy, which has the strength to transform us and radiate hope to us every day.”

    Do you?

    It’s really sad that people like Grace locks on the error being committed by bishops and priests while ignoring that Francis preaches what’s right.

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-jesus-went-to-the-cross-for-sinners-not-the-perfect-36125/

    Oh well. That’s how it goes for those who rebel against what Christ established.

  • jimmy

    that was my thoughts as well upon reading this article. as I’ve always said it’s not how you start it’s how you finish. god is in control.

  • Take your own advice and stop telling us what to do.

  • Grace Ziem

    Walid spoke at my church and had a major impact on me, my pastor, and my congregation, educating us about Islam. Walid never mentioned he was Catholic, to my knowledge, but it would not have mattered to me: I hate anti-Catholic slander..

    Please don’t insult Walid by implying he doesn’t know where he should be speaking! My pastor now has a great teaching outreach on Islam and end times (Revelation teaching, fcfchurch.com; I highly recommend it) , for which we all thank Walid deeply: we understand the risk for converts from Islam to speak like this, when the Brennan-like ilke are spying, informing, etc. Let me know if you are aware of ANY Catholic church with teaching as good as this (session 2 is a great capsule summary). I would like it to happen; we ALL must work to do Christ’s work until He returns! This is spreading the gospel, loving each other, and preparing for end times difficulties, which will be great.

    • Grandmere

      I sucked it up and went to your church’s site. It is just another rock band bunch with a guy in jeans and a sweat jacket preaching the same old tired slop. I just knew it!

    • Woody

      Good thought on spreading Christ’s word but we have know wha t He taught first. The Catholic Church dogma-wise is the same today as it was at the time of Jesus. or He would not have told them to go forth and teach it to all nations–
      I don’t know what Walid is–I just know he is a logical man with a 200+ IQ

  • Woody

    Miracles are beyond sience and that is why they always say “we cannot explain it.”

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Jesus left the successors of Simon Peter in charge – from your name there, you are not it.

    • I find it funny that Ian said, “Stop bickering over dogma.” I would love to know what St. Athanasius would have said to him. He would have given him the 1,000 yard stare for a few heartbeats and then proceed to give him a beatdown of nothing but unvarnished Truth the way he beat Arius and his heretical teachings into the wind.

      “But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed,” (Galatians 1:8). Sounds like dogma is very important. St. Paul says, “We,” not, “I,” which means he is in lockstep with his fellow apostles in doctrine. Therefore, doctrine is dogmatically followed.

      If it were not so, why was the Nicene Council convened at emperor Constantine’s request except for the Church to decide among themselves the central question of Christ’s divinity and to maintain unity of the faithful?

      Christians like Ian follow the stupid model of, “Let live and live,” instead of doing the one thing Christ said, “IF you love Me, you would obey My commandments.” He leaves no room for maneuvering and sophism to spin the Gospel in any other way except by how the apostles taught by the Holy Spirit inerrant and without tolerance for compromising. Notice that Jesus attached a condition, “IF,” which means we have to either obey or disobey.

      Ah, sorry for rambling, but this has been on my mind for days.

  • Nan

    No. We focus on salvation through the one true church that Jesus founded.