NEW DISCOVERY REVEALS: The God Of The Antichrist Is Directly Named In The Bible, And His Name Is Allah

By Walid Shoebat and Theodore Shoebat (Shoebat Exclusive)

On the quest to find out the name of the god of the Antichrist, so few see the obvious: “But he shall worship the god Maozim in his place: and a god whom his fathers knew not, he shall worship with gold, and silver, and precious stones, and things of great price” (Daniel 11:38, The Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible).

The ticket to finding the name of the god of the Antichrist has been etched from time immemorial by the prophet Daniel: Maozim, which will also reveal the religion of Antichrist as well: Islam.

So few were able to see this. This Maozim, is in the The Douay-Rheims Bible (1609) which honored the Hebrew is the oldest full Roman Catholic Bible translation in English, making it older than the KJV.

But such reference gets many to shroud the obvious since today like the yesteryears, we are dealing with denominational divisivenesses which causes the name to remain hidden. For example, one major leader of the Reformation in Switzerland, Huldrych Zwingli wrote: “The Eucharist is the idol of Moazim, which, according to Daniel, we have worshipped in the Holy Place, and is true idolatry” (Zwingli).

While there is zero reference in the text about the Eucharist, the ani-Popes were notorious in reading into verses what verses do not say. Instead of looking at the literal, they would wedge their prejudices to declare things that are not of God. The Puritans, for their hatred of the monarchy, even changed the Lord’s Prayer, instead of “Thy Kingdom Come,” to “thy commonwealth come”:

“The court of king’s bench was called the court of public bench. So cautious on this head were some of the republicans, that, it is pretended, in reciting the Lord’s prayer, they would not say, “thy kingdom come,” but always, “thy commonwealth come.” (David Hume, History of England, Vol. 8, ch LIX, P.184)

While it was pure prejudice that caused such blasphemies, to someone like myself, who came out of Islam into the light of Christianity, and one who holds no such prejudices, when we read this text, anyone with the knowledge of semitic languages can see the obvious, Maozim is both a literal name and as in all semitic names, also has meaning (which the other translations state) also applies: “defense,” “fortress,” “fortresses,” “helmet,” “protection,” “refuge,” “safety,” “strength,” “strong,” “stronghold,” and “strongholds” (see Strong’s Concordance).

Any doubting Thomas can plug in any search engineAllah Al-Mu’izz” can examine, not just that this is one of the names of Allah, but is also the same meaning which exactly matches the hebrew Maozim.

Indeed, he is Maozim (Al-Mu’izz), for the Antichrist “honors a God of fortresses,” who is a God of war and the sword while his name, literally in Hebrew, Moazim, a semitic name, is also in the Arabic Al-Mu’izz (Allah Al-Mu’izz الله المعز) is one of the ninety nine official names of Allah in Islam and Maozim also has the exact meaning in the Arabic: “to be mighty, potent, strong, powerful …”

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Nathaniel West in his Daniel’s Great Prophecy, one hundred and seventeen years ago (1898) gets it when  he wrote:

Allah Maozim’ the god of fortresses or strongholds, placing here his confidence, whether in the strongholds of the Orontes, Nile, Euphrates, Tigris, or Bosphorus, — in Syria, Egypt, Macedonia, or Asia Minor, — (the parted empire of Alexander) — honoring “Allah” with “gold, silver, precious stones, and costly things, — a god unknown to his ancestors and whose religion he would propagate by the sword, procuring for his strongholds garrisons of people who acknowledged his strange god, increasing them with glory while putting to the sword all others, causing them to rule over the many, and because needing money for war, dividing the land he conquers, for the sake of gain.” This the meaning of this difficult verse. Such the three great characters of “the King”: The first was not seen in Antiochus to the extent here predicted. The second was seen, in his butchery of infants in Jerusalem, his treatment of the Maccabean mother and her sons, and his inhuman conduct everywhere. The third was seen in the confidence he placed in fortresses, and in the propagation of his religion by the sword. But yet, the full reality of all awaits the future and the final Antichrist.” (Nathaniel West, Daniel’s Great Prophecy, page 176, (1898)

The Antichrist, according to West, is a man who stems from “Alexander’s Kingdom”. It is not Europe as some Protestant prejudices proclaimed. The issue of Antichrist should not divide, but unite us while we disagree on matters of theology. The Antichrist is one who establishes “strongholds of the Orontes, Nile, Euphrates, Tigris, or Bosphorus, — in Syria, Egypt, Macedonia, or Asia Minor” and is one who advances the glory of “Allah Maozim” or in Arabic, “Allah Al-Mu’izz”.

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The oldest reference to “Allah” (as Shoebat.com revealed), according to Kenneth J. Thomas, was discovered in Northern and Southern Arabia, the cradle of Allah and Islam, dating as far back to the fifth century B.C. The beginning of the Epic of Atrahasis describes Allah as how all of the gods labored endlessly in grueling work, under the rule of the patron deity Enlil or Elil. But as Lucifer’s rebellion, revolted and was one deity of “violence and revolution” named Allah (spelled by the experts as Alla), as the following inscription recounts:

Then Alla made his voice heard and spoke to the gods his brothers,’ Come! Let us carry Elil, the counselor of gods, the warrior, from his dwelling. Now, cry battle! Let us mix fight with battle!’ The gods listened to his speech, set fire to their tools, put aside their spades for fire, their loads for the fire-god, they flared up. (Atrahasis, tablet i, OBV i, i-ii, trans. Stephanie Dalley, in her Myths from Mesopotamia, p. 10, underline mine.)

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It was Erdogan of Asia Minor, Turkey, who once said regarding his Jihad for Allah that the “helmet” being the domes of mosques honoring Allah the god of “bayonets”.

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While no one can be one hundred percent certain that Erdogan is the Antichrist, here is a man who has not rejected deification, declaring himself to be God, but until if he sits in the Temple of God, we must closely monitor. And just yesterday, the Gatestone Institute wrote of Erdogan’s dream under the title The Sultan Rules, “Erdogan is not happy with the powers the Turkish constitution grants him. He wants more.” The Antichrist gains his seat by changing the laws (Daniel 7:25), Erdogan “Once he has given orders, there should not be judicial, constitutional or parliamentary checks and balances. He will become the first ballot-box Sultan of the Turkish Empire of his dreams.”

These are not our words, but the words of secularist experts. Gatestone adds: “367 parliamentary votes are required to pass a constitutional amendment in parliament without a referendum, and at least 330 to make Erdogan an elected Sultan.”

We have been tracking Turkey for at least two decades and have predicted that Turkey will return to Ottoman hegemony and will revive the Ottoman sultanate. Gatestone concludes: “It is election time in Turkey. On June 7, the Turks will go to the ballot box to elect a government and a prime minister who will rule the country for four years. In reality, they will go to the ballot box to decide whether they want an elected Sultan or not. Turkey’s President, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, wants more than just to win a parliamentary majority for his Justice and Development Party (AKP). He wants a two-thirds majority, so that the constitution can be amended to introduce an executive presidential system and the Sultan can once again officially rule. In 2013, Burhan Kuzu, the AKP’s chairman of the parliament’s Constitution Commission, compared the U.S. presidency to the broad powers of Turkey’s prime minister (who at the time was Erdogan), saying, ‘Obama is a poor man, the Prime Minister is powerful.’ More recently, during a press briefing after a state visit to Kazakhstan, Erdogan told a group of Turkish journalists on April 18: ‘Look now. Obama cannot get decisions done.’ It was just another line with which he expressed his obsession to transform Turkey’s parliamentary democracy into an executive presidential system “a la Turca,” in which an elected man runs a one-man show with no checks and balances … The powers the Turkish president do not satisfy Erdogan. He is the strongman, but he wants more. He wants almost unlimited powers: He wants to be the democratically elected Sultan of a supposed emerging Turkish empire.”

And to make the argument of why Turkey is the nation of Antichrist, it will require the volumes we have written on the subject. But if one simply researches “Shoebat,” “Turkey,” and “Antichrist,” they could spend months, for we have written on this extensively.

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  • michelletherese

    Interesting !!!

  • Marko

    perhaps he will realize his dream

    • Trevor

      You win the thread.

      • Jeff

        LMAO!!! All he needs now is to trim his mustache Hitler style, and he will fit right into the homosexual islam cult!!!

    • Willing to die for Jesus

      that is too funny

    • Willing to die for Jesus

      i see what you mean the FUTURE OF ENGLAND IS TURKISH??? I am so slow…

      • Delta Rain

        I wonder if he too will eat swans?

        • Grandmere

          Snappy

      • Marko

        In some interview he stated that he’s not aiming to be a sultan, he wants more to be like the Queen of England.Although I agree with your assessment .

      • Arvis

        Oh France, elder daughter of the Church, what have you done?

        • Willing to die for Jesus

          The French martyrs are rolling in their graves. The French Revolution was seriously a Satanic attack not just on the Church but on Humanity itself. We are still to recover even these centuries later.
          We see “human rights” being used to support everything that is anti-Christian and unGodly. All this began with the French Revolution.
          France needs the prayer of a lot of people of good faith and who are in Christ, whether Catholic or Orthodox. For France to return to its historical Catholic faith. The Communist government has imposed gay marriages on the French people against their will, there were huge protests and marches and the MSM didn’t cover it all. The police even pepper-sprayed these righteous protesters. They are only aiding and abetting the Enemy those Leftists and those against the Children of God – those who are in Christ.

          • Arvis

            What has befallen the human race has been allowed by Our Lord, for many still need to make a choice. It certainly tries the patience of Saints (us humans have a difficult time making choices). May France remember her Christian roots and return to her Christian birth; St. Lazarus, the first Bishop and Mary Magdalene, the first contemplative religious/hermit.

          • OrthodoxAmerican2015

            And St. Dionysius the Areopagite whom st. Paul converted, Bishop in Gaul and enlightened Theologian, pray for us!

          • The really slim shady

            The French and American revolutions were the same movement. Sort of like the “muslim spring”.
            And again you go with the Catholics and Orthodox. Im gonna open your mind yet, same way mine was opened…..just in reverse.
            Thanks to Walid who helped me see that Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox, Coptic, etc…. were all on the same playing field. Some of us are more “religious” than others, it only matters what we believe about Christ. Hes our leader, Hes who were coing back with at the second coming, He is who is going to share His earthly reign with His saints.
            On Christ the solid rock i stand, all other ground is sinking sand.
            When He returns there will be no denominations, why do we have them here?

          • VikingCelt

            Sorry, the French and American revolutions were not the same movement. They certainly had some similarities, and yes, even in their day, there were those who saw them as the same, but they were not.

          • The really slim shady

            All the important people of both revolutions were intermingling. They were the same movement. It wasn’t just a coincidence the French and Americans were so intertwined at that time.

          • VikingCelt

            Yes, I’m aware that they had some of the same people operating in both revolts. They even had UK citizens, who lived in the UK and not France or America, who were there in both revolts, helping out. But just because you had some of the same people working in both revolts didn’t mean that they were the same movement. I know that is being taught in high schools, colleges, and universities now, but it’s total hogwash. Almost all history being taught in schools these days is total lies. It’s all revisionist to support to Marxist agenda that has totally taken over schools. They’re following the old Soviet system of re-writing history for the express purpose of indoctrinating the youth against their own culture. It’s sickening.

            The French Revolution was to depose the king and murder off all the monarchy. They were tired of the excesses of the monarchy and the totalitarian oppression. And they weren’t wrong to be tired of it, but they went way overboard. And it became a bloodbath that the majority of the common people participated in.

            The American Revolution began, not as a move to separate, initially, but as a response to being “attacked” economically, by Britain. At first, the American colonies just wanted fairness and equal representation in parliament. They were being taxed and taxed excessively – way beyond what counties and businesses were being taxed back home in Britain. So the colonists sent men to Britain to speak to the king and to parliament about granting them representation and to negotiate on the taxes being levied. But the king and parliament basically scoffed at them and treated the colonies like red – headed step children. Rhey refused to budge. Then, the king sent soldiers to the colonies to enforce the taxes and to make sure they were collected without a fight, but the Americans weren’t even fighting yet.

            Not only that, but not all the colonies were British. There were Dutch, German, French, Scandinavian colonists there, too. Yes, they had all mostly begun to come under Britain, but it wasn’t completely set in stone, yet the crown was lording it over everyone. Some of those colonists realky resented that, especially the non-English ones. There were colonists who didn’t “feel” British and resented British rule, but there were still a large number of colonists who were very loyal to the king and cherished their British citizenship. That began to change, though, when the king and parliament put even more pressure on the colonies and the soldiers there in the colonies were demanding concessions from colonists that were completely uncalled for. But the American colonies, in the end, simply wanted autonomy. They weren’t trying to kill the king and his family, they weren’t trying to even depose the king from British rule, and they weren’t setting up guillotines. They simply decided that if they were going to be treated as less than a British citizen, then they needed to separate and become independent. That’s a huge difference from what was going on in France. People now-a-days try to vilify the American colonists and twist things to try to make them out to be barbarians and blood – thirsty hoodlums, comparable to the French revolution. But it’s completely false. Sure, you had a handful of colonists who were agitating for the wrong reasons. Hence the incident of the British soldiers firing into the crowd in Boston. There were some people in that crowd who were being idiots. The soldiers fired on them in self defense, that time. But tgere were plenty of times before that protest incident, where British soldiers were doing things that brought that whole protest on, in the first place – like coming into towns and seizing a business or home from the colonists, and turning it into a quarters for British soldiers – or coming to homes and just demanding that the family had to take them in and feed tgem, etc. usually without compensation, etc. So the colonists were sick of the abuse, they gathered to protest, and some in the crowd got carried away. That doesn’t mean the whole crowd was being that way – they weren’t. You’re always going to have morons in every crowd that are extremists. Unfortunately those extremists gained control of the French revolution. But the whole French populace came out in support of the beheadings and massacre of the monarchical families. The American colonists weren’t behaving like that, and many of them opposed the French Revolution for the barbarity a of tge citizens and for trying to wipe out the monarchy in such a way. American colonists who had at first supported the French Revolution – most no longer supported it once it turned so violent. The American Revolution was never anything like that.

          • The really slim shady

            Benjamin Franklin, that’s one of the major ones. I know there are more, and I’d love to go through it with you (maybe I’m wrong), but I have two replies to make to other posters that will probably take me a couple hrs each and I just got home from work and don’t have much time before I have to go to bed. Needless to say, many powerful people were in league with each other between the French and Americans, and they both set up very similar democracies. Maybe at another time we can discuss it more, but for now I have to defend my beliefs in the faith.
            And yes, apparently those pjs do come in adult sizes, but they don’t have the little footie things, at least mine dont (although I probably happy for that)

          • VikingCelt

            Listen, I know about Ben Franklin’s involvement. I know about many of our founders having been interested In the French revolution. So was John Adams, George Washington, and Thomas Jefferson. Many were. But what you’re not understanding is that they had different goals for revolution than the French did. The inspirations were the same, in word, but not in interpretations of those very same words. Equality, liberty, Republican go ernment, etc. All those things actually meant different things to the Americans and the French because they had different sources of influence, out of the Enlightenment period in Europe.

            The French Revolution came 13 years after the American one. The Americans, who were trying to help the French, in return for their support in the American Revolution, had expectations of a very different outcome to the French Revolution, than the French had, but that wasn’t entirely clear to them at the time. They thought they were on the same page. It later became evident that the French had different understandings of the words, liberty, equality, fraternity, justice, etc. The American Revolution was based firmly on a belief in God and a recognition of His authority. The French Revolution turned very pagan. They threw out God and even set up worship of pagan Roman deities, rejecting their Catholic faith – not all but many. Their revoluion began with mob violence, whereas the American one did not, and the Americans tried to resolve issues peaceably.

            Read The Heritage Foundation’s explanation, entitled “The Great Divide: The Ideological Legacies of the American and French Revolutions. This will further explain what I’m saying. It’s easy to find online. The American Revolution resulted in a free society of Republican government, with freedom and growth and advancement. The French Revolution re s ultra in tyranny, paved the way for modern totalitarian governments to model themselves after, and resulted in great poverty, worsening an already war – weary and impoverished nation. This lasted for decades in France, including understandr NNapoleon ‘ s rule. The Americans who were trying to help the French, quickly denounced the barbarity of the direction the French Revolution went. Once again, yyou’ve been wrongly taught about those two revolutions under the current bent of “history” education in the U.S. and the world in general, for the past few decades. And it’s very sad and very wrong.

          • The really slim shady

            I thank you for this very long address to the thing I posted. But I just spent about 5 hrs posting to those other two people I spoke of. I will read this tomorrow.

          • VikingCelt

            Not a problem. Take your time. Today and tomorrow I work odd shifts, so I might not be able to respond right away myself. It’s a good thing those pj’s don’t have the footies. That would be really odd! Lol! Have a good day today, friend.

          • The really slim shady

            It would be odd to have footies, and way too warm. Gotta have my feet out while i sleep.
            But i have to say that I cannot dispute anything you said.
            Ill say that theres been many powerful people messing around with the nations of the world for quite some time.
            It tempts you to get involved in conspiracy theories, but then eventually you remember that we dont wrestle against flesh and blood….so really even if the conspiracies are true it doesn’t matter – God already told us how the story goes.
            Thanks for your very insightful post.

          • VikingCelt

            Well, you’re right there. And it’s completely true, I believe, about a group of elites controlling many world events, especially in our day. There are a few conspiracy theories about some of the symbols used in American government, even back in the beginning. And I don’t doubt some are true. One that has been recently debunked, thankfully, is the one about the pyramid with the eye above it. It’s been touted for a long time, that this was a Masonic symbol. But it’s been discovered that it was not at all a Masonic symbol at the time of America’s founding. In a few years after the revolution, the Masons added that symbol to one of their many symbols. As to the other ones used in Washington DC, such as the obelisk and the pentagram shaped pentagon, who knows? It could be Masonically related. The good thing is those came a little later, not right after our nation’s founding. But any time man endeavors to do something for good and for God, Satan is right there, along with his deceived human tools, to corrupt and pervert. You can see how the battle for this nation’s soul began all the way at the beginning of its founding. And in our day, it’s really hard to see much hope for our nation. But since it also looks like we’re so close to the end times, we have the return of Christ to really look forward to, knowing that He will set all to rights. And then we’ll get a chance to see what conspiracy theories were right. I’m sure there are quite a few that are – even regarding our nation. It sure looks like our government is trying to be boss of everyone else in the world, right now. Come quickly Lord Jesus! Bless you! I’ve enjoyed talking with you. I’ll look forward to seeing those pj’s!

          • The really slim shady

            You ever see the sandy hook video where the people just circle around the firehouse? Lol… crazy stuff. Who knows.
            I use to be extremely into politics, but eventually i realized, if were not of this world why would I honestly care?
            I still pay attention to it, but im honestly not concerned what overlords we have over us. Even if i walk through the valley of the shadow of death.
            The times are changing for a reason, Jesus is coming soon! Yeehaw!
            Better not wear anything but my turtle pjs so you can be like, “hey, there goes the really slim shady!”
            Ps, my avatar is not very descriptive of me, but you can only have so many “turtletitan” accounts before you bore of them.
            God bless you too!

          • VikingCelt

            Yeah, I saw the video you’re referring to. It’s something. I agree with you. But I do think it’s right to continue to vote as we believe we should, standing for what’s right, even though we’ll lose soon enough.

            I used to have a pet turtle, once. I’ll be sure and look for the turtle pj’s. I might have Looney tunes ones on.

          • The really slim shady

            Yeah, id say if you want to vote – vote. I voted one time, and was so excited to do so. But later when i realized what a scandalous dude GW was, and the “choices” we get are all corrupt, and the position being just an elitist mouthpiece – i quit voting. It will work itself out without me. The consequences will be an ever-increasing govt size regardless – ive made peace with that. If we ever did get an actual Godly candidate the libs would either asassinate him or come out in droves (and probably pull some tommy-boy shenanigans) to make sure he doesnt get in. Just my opinion, definitely no one has to feel the same as i do about it.
            I kind of find it as sort of silly all these pastors urging for an American renewal. America is a product of the world, although it has been the most amazing ride for millions of people, its going to go up in smoke with the rest of the world when God builds a new earth. Also, my citizenship is in heaven, im just passing through – yet very grateful to live in the greatest (still) country on the planet.
            I do reccomend getting the pjs, theyre amazing really. I have 2 different types, ones a normal type and tighter and more restrictive – some might not like that (i sleep like a rock, doesnt matter to me). My other set is called a one-size-fits-all kikori(i think?) suit, that one is AMAZING! Its very loose and baggy, and feels like youre wearing a blanket. So comfortable! Definitely get one (mine was a gift, think it came from spencers).
            Anyway, very nice talking to you. Time to go respond to one of my debate posts…. those things take me forever.

          • VikingCelt

            I truly agree with you – the whole political thing is just a charade and a scam, for the most part. But knowing all that, I still feel that as a Christian, who is supposed to be a light and stand for truth and right, that I still have a responsibility to vote because it’s a way of “sspeaking out” for godly principles, especially in regards to morality issues. That way, my hands and my conscience are clear – that I truly did my best where I had a chance to be heard. I do this knowing that the government is going to do what it wants regardless, and it’s going to completely disregard my opinions and votes and maybe come cart me off one day for it. So be it. I leave it all in GoGod’s hands because we are living in the days The Bible described as “there will come a time when men will not put up with sound doctrine, but will instead gather around themselves teachers who teach them what their itching ears want to hear”. We are in those days, and it’s only going to get worse. But I still do what I believe is right because Christ called us to be a light in the darkness. And He told us He was sending us out as sheep among wolves. So i expect to be hated and mocked for it at some point. Not everyone sees it my way, and I am totally okay with it. It’s something that I believe is okay to disagree on.

            Good luck with that debate. I hope it goes very well. So Spencers carries those pj’s? I should have known! Good night!

          • The really slim shady

            You are doing right, i cant argue that point with you. Maybe im too cynical, not sure.
            But yes, spencers i believe.
            Hope you have a good holiday, i know i am…. first day off in 2 weeks!

          • VikingCelt

            Ha! I’ll tell ya, iit’s really hard to not be cynical these days. I feel very much that way at times, myself. I don’t know that cynicism is all that bad or wrong, at least in part. My brother has begun to debate with himself about whether or not he’s going to vote in the next presidential election. He’s feeling like “shaking the dust off his feet”. So, who knows?

            Well I hope you enjoyed your day off. If you haven’t had a day off in 2 weeks, then you must have been tired, dude! But as a nurse, I know how that goes.

          • Nan

            See, that’s one difference; Catholics are told that it’s our Civic Duty to vote, and to vote for those who uphold Christian beliefs, rather than those who support abortion.

          • The really slim shady

            Thats one dfference? Between what?

            Everybody is told its our civic duty, and all good Christian leaders urge people to vote for their convictions.

            I say what do we care when we dont belong to this country or the world?

            I could see voting if it was real. Considering that its not, and considering the reality of our situation – why waste our time?
            Look at where the country has come! And thats with the Catholics praying to Mary and voting. Thats with the Protestants doing their little voter drives!

            America has a purpose, clearly being a Christian country isn’t it anymore.

          • Nan

            Oh, you are told to vote, you just choose not to.

            Actually, St. Thomas More would be a better choice with regard to prayers for the country and its civic leaders.

          • The really slim shady

            Yes, i choose not to.
            Dont see a need or a reason.
            Let the dead worry about the dead.

          • Nan

            Except that saints arent dead, they live in heaven.

          • The really slim shady

            I was referring to people of the world worrying about their countries.

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            I made an edit to my comment, please forgive me brother in Christ.
            I meant all Christians of good faith as usual (it is tiring to explicitly state “conservative Trinitarian non-apostate Christians since it is Protestants that have brought about so much heresy to the point of sanctifying evil such as “church gay marriages” which to me are no Christian Churches at all but dangerous wolves in sheep’s clothing)..

            I am sorry for saying ‘Catholic and Orthodox’ as these are the denominations that I am most familiar with, though I love all Christians and seek Christian unity for Jesus Himself wanted us all to be united so that the world may believe. Imagine if there was less inter-Christian bickering, the World would truly be converted!. Call them Freudian slips if you must. But I do love my Protestant brethren who have come out of the Lutheran or Church of England offshoots (all can be traced back from here, none just ‘appear’ from the air unless a cult) in one way or another. Sorry to sound so denominational. Sometimes, I have to remind myself to stop fighting Christians – as Christians should Catholics and embrace them as kin – my apologies.

            God bless you and thanks for the kind comment made in Christian charity – I am merely a humble slave of Christ and His Mother.

          • The really slim shady

            I like you Willing, it’s all good.
            I was just hoping you weren’t getting too irritated with me, thinking I’m trolling you or something. You’re just quite an active poster, and you say things that bring out the “devils advocate” in me.
            Definitely not trying to badger you. And I totally agree with you, we all come out of the Catholic Church in one form or another. Maybe one day soon we’ll discuss eschatology, as I’m interested to hear your view on it, since I don’t know much about the Catholic viewpoint of end time events. That is what I am most interested in myself, its like a drug studying prophecy.
            God bless you too, it is good to see people of my generation taking God seriously (I’m a year younger than you from what I gather). I almost felt as though I was the only one, which was a sad thought.

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            Hey TRSS,
            Thank you for your graciousness. I can get caught up in denominationalism though I keep my eye globally on all Christians. I apologize for not being so versed in Protestantism, I know much more about the Eastern (especially Russian) Orthodox Churches.
            Regarding people our age, yes it’s sad that people of our age are more interested in focussing on the material world as though it’s going to save their souls. There is nothing more important in the entire universe than Jesus Christ! As much as I love the wonderful Liturgies and Mass, Western Catholic Masses have “protestantized” and those who are seriously Catholic go to the old fashioned Latin Masses which are not available many places (mine is a typical one, not these special Latin types).
            Regarding eschatology, yes that’s a huge area. Speaking for myself, I love being in unity and Christian fellowship with Christians who have always been Christians – the fact I have to put a caveat and say “conservative Trinitarian Pro-Life and Marriage as it has always been understood” annoys me. I do it to make sure I can call somebody a fellow believer in Christ. Those who I would consider non-Christian are those Apostate Churches from the Lutheran- or English Reformation- offshoots now basically dead in the West, almost as a sign from God of His unhappiness at the sacrilege that has been happening (so called “mainline protestant churches”.) The Scottish Church was the latest to succumb to this, sadly, and it has become ‘non-Christian to me’, those who think it is okay to engage in what I consider outright Black magic and Satanic activity – the “church sanctification of TWO MEN (!!!) or women” is just so unholy to be considered Christian is to defame us! I am not the type to call out people saying you’re not Christian – but this is pretty clear. These churches have swallowed the evil of the evils occurring in the wider society (where much of the population does not want things like “gay marriages” yet runaway Courts have been striking down the Will of the People.. so saddening.. but also asking for God’s judgment just like abortion and Roe v Wade 40+ years on… look at Russia and East Europe under Communism… Russia has (though thank Christ they are trying to recover, with no help from the gay agenda pushing foreign policy of the USA and the EU) with their natural fertility levels, as if they need Muslims to out-breed them.
            Anyhow I seem to get quite long in my posts, my apologies. I should also say as a Catholic I love liturgies, but I also am of a ‘charismatic type’ that believes having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior is essential as it’s clearly Biblically mandated. The other things seem like peripheral trappings. Though I can’t speak for Catholics, my seminary desires went nowhere, though I itch every now and then to enter the Priesthood – I am getting on with my age in terms of deciding if I should be seeking marriage and children or not.
            God bless you immensely in the Name that is Above all Names, the Sweet and Precious Name of Our Crucified Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and His Virgin Mother, the Holy Vessel and Mother of God,

          • Nan

            Hard to embrace people as kin when many of them make unfounded accusations about the Catholic Church.

  • Trevor

    Thank you Walid. I know you know no matter how much effort you write, there will be a few who will arrive to the comment section and say, “You are wrong.”

    Also, the image of one of Allah’s names has 666 in it. All one has to do is flip the image upside down to see it.

    • edwitness

      So now 999 really means 666? That’s too funny.
      Blessings:-}

      • OrthodoxAmerican2015

        He’s not saying that, he’s talking about the Bismillah itself, as mr. Shoebat lectures about.

        You sure your username isn’t ‘Eidwitness’?

        • AnthonyM

          I half suspected it should be jehovahwitness.
          Eid means witness is Hebrew?

          • OrthodoxAmerican2015

            I was thinking the Muslim festival of ‘Eid’ myself, but you could be right too.

            God bless!

          • Grandmere

            I was thinking the same as you.

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            no he has also been spouting and agreeing with Illuminati ideas too (conspiracy theories that are very easy to fall prey to), he let it out in a post he was basically putting forward support for these ideas

          • edwitness

            Wrong. But funny. Ha ha ha

            Blessings:-}

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            I don’t care what game you are playing, I don’t know who you are or how old you are: just focus on Jesus Christ as your Crucified Lord and Savior, don’t reject the Trinity nor support liberal agendas like abortion or homosexual behavior.
            God bless you.

          • Grandmere

            I think he is his own church. He’s also into aliens and Nephilim. He is a mishmash of You Tube conspiracy, rapture theory.

          • edwitness

            Jehovah’s Witness’ are not born again. They, like Islam, reject Jesus as Creator God.
            Blessings:-}

          • OrthodoxAmerican2015

            Do you reject the Trinity?

          • edwitness

            I do. Father, Son, Holy Spirit. No more(as Mormons & R.C.s believe), no less(as oneness or Jesus only believers teach). When we pray to someone we place them as equal with God. Only God is to be prayed to. Mathew 6:9.
            Blessings:-}

          • OrthodoxAmerican2015

            I think I am right in pegging you as a crypto-muslim and/or Unitarian heretic, and at any rate full of willing error. There are so many proofs of the Trinity from Scripture alone, but as you are likely a Muslim I wont bother. Such a one I will ignore

          • edwitness

            So now Muslims believe Jesus is the son of God as I do? No they don’t.
            Blessings:-}

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Do you believe that the Holy Spirit is a divine person – do you give him worship and praise?

          • edwitness

            There are 3 who make up the Godhead. The Father who is a Spirit(John 4:24), The Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. As Christians we are to worship God. Therefore, the Holy Spirit being part of the Godhead, receives worship.
            Blessings:-}

          • Julie LaBrecque

            It’s good to know that you believe so – do you address the Holy Spirit when you pray?

          • edwitness

            No. Mathew 6:9.
            Blessings:-}

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Is this the only prayer we are allowed to pray? You are tipping your hat that you do not believe that the Holy Spirit is a divine person – you think of Him as filling an office- that is heresy.

          • edwitness

            The prayer we are given in Mt. 6:9 is THE model for all true Christians to follow when we pray. With this as our model we are not given license to pray to whom ever we want to. Only to the Father in Jesus’ name. Not to the Holy Spirit or Jesus or people who have died. Eph. 5:20.

            The Holy Spirit is doing a specific work in the earth.
            1. He reproves the world of the sin of idolatry. Because to not believe in Jesus is to believe in something other than the true God, which is idolatry.
            2. He shows us that righteousness is a relationship with the Father in that Jesus says that He goes to the Father.
            3. He shows us that judgment(condemnation) has come upon Satan and is to come upon anyone who rejects the true God and follows Satan. R.C. teaching in line with 1st Tim. 4:1-3 is a perfect example of this. Doctrines of DEVILS.
            All found in John 16:8-11. This is what it means that the Holy Spirit is the agent of salvation.
            I have told you what I believe already about the Holy Spirit. He is God. That is that.
            Blessings:-}

          • Betty

            Here I found you finally…Miss you.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Hi Betty – I miss you too, and the others. One of my kids was diagnosed with melanoma, got bad pathology report after first surgery, she had to go back for another surgery, we are awaiting the pathology report from it to see if it has spread to her lymph nodes – so my mind and heart have been far from normal. Thanks – I’ll be back someday when all has settled.

          • God give you and your family much strength.

          • Grandmere

            I am praying for your family. I have missed you.

          • Grandmere

            He’s into the Nephilim, alien, illuminati thing. That does not go out but by prayer and fasting.

          • AnthonyM

            Oh, that’s not good. It seems he has a hard time listening.

          • edwitness

            So is your Vatican. And the Vatican is saying that they are morally superior to mankind. But, really they are demons and worse.
            Blessings:-}

          • Grandmere

            I am not a Roman Catholic.

          • edwitness

            Oops! I guess I forgot. You sound so much alike.
            Blessings:-}

        • edwitness

          So tell me again how 666 is there if you turn it upside down? I guess you have to have a pretty good imagination, huh?

          Blessings:-}

          • OrthodoxAmerican2015

            Ok, what he’s talking about is the reverse of the greek signs for ‘666’ looking like the Arabic lettering for the ‘Bismillah’. Old news, no question that it does. So, what is your point? What alternative do you offer?

          • edwitness

            So is this what is supposed to look like 666? I don’t see it.

            بِسْمِ اللهِ الرَّحْمٰنِ الرَّحِيْمِ

          • OrthodoxAmerican2015

            Check this out, hope it helps you visualize it;

          • edwitness

            Thanks for the refresher. I have the set of videos from that conference with Perry Stone from Manna Fest and Joe Van Koevering from God’s News Behind The News. But, the symbols don’t look like 666 even when you turn them upside down. That’s all I was saying. I probably misunderstood what Trevor was saying. Sorry about that Trevor.
            However, the info is compelling for the part Islam plays in the end times. With the “gates” being opened for the other dimensional beings to come through because of CERN and the work at Mount Graham and others( check out On The Path Of The Immortals from Tom Horn), the antichrist will most likely be one of them. The scripture says that “men’s hearts will fail them for the things they see coming upon the earth”. It will be a frightening time for those who see it. And with the Vatican’s involvement it seems most plausible that he(probably their Mahdi who comes through a “gate”) will be introduced by your pope. Thanks for hanging in there with me. Good stuff.
            Blessings:-}

          • Grandmere

            Thanks for letting us in on your beliefs. Interesting.

          • OrthodoxAmerican2015

            Now you’re just being obtuse or trolling, because the distinction is not that the Mark IS ‘666’ as seen in ancient Greek, but that it, the ‘Bismillah’, LOOKS LIKE THE SHAPE of the number ‘666’ in ancient Greek.

        • Grandmere

          SNAP

  • richinnameonly

    Bravo, Walid! I don’t understand how people can still be looking toward the EU or some other revived Roman source for the beast and the anti Christ.

    • knight

      Those that make way for the anti-christ

    • Willing to die for Jesus

      and yet there is so much rampant Catholic/ Vatican-bashing as the Muslim armies march (literally).

      • edwitness

        Yeah, you don’t see the pope kissing the Koran or acknowledging the PLO or anything like that huh?
        Blessings:-}

        • Willing to die for Jesus

          edwitness I am not buying whatever snake oil you are selling. you are bizarre. I mean that not as an offense, but you don’t spell out what your beliefs are. You are a conspiracy theorist (I enjoy them, but I realize I have to stop it sometimes, with Illuminati and so on). Just focus ON JESUS CHRIST AS YOU CRUCIFIED LORD AND SAVIOR. That is the key.
          God bless you. We don’t have any animosity against our separated brethren – we pray for them all the time during Mass.

          • edwitness

            Conspiracy Analyst not theorist. You will have to rip out a lot of the scripture if you don’t consider conspiracy when trying to understand how things happened. Even creation was done by conspiracy. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit conspired together to do it.Gen.1:26. They conspired together when they put Adam and Eve out of the Garden. Gen.3:22,23.
            And Jesus does not hear the prayers of sinners except the prayer to believe on His name.
            Psalm 66:18 & 1st John 3:6.
            Blessings:-}

          • Grandmere

            While he finally let slip some of his beliefs, he is beyond reasoning with. We just have to let our omniscient God deal with him at the judgment.

        • The really slim shady

          He literally just recognized “Palestine”… well, dont know if it was him or a rep for the “holy see”.

          • edwitness

            He sure did. He said they are saved too. Because they worship the one true God. WOW!
            Blessings:-}

  • There is a portion in the New Testament where Jesus mentions the coming of an individual that could very well apply to the way Muhammad is viewed by the Muslim world with such reverence while denying the Deity of Christ. Sure, it could apply to other false prophets that people have followed, but this sure could apply to Muhammad who proclaimed himself as needing to be accepted right along with Al’lah.

    Jesus said:
    “but I know you. I know that you do not have the love of God in your hearts. I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him. How can you believe since you accept glory from one another but do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?

    (John 5:42-44) – New International Version (NIV)

    • He also warned “here he is in the desert …” Jesus warned of someone who comes from the desert of Arabia.

      • OrthodoxAmerican2015

        Ah, yes! I remember that now! And I think of all the waste places of the World such as the Arabian desert, where Scripture says demons like to dwell. One would have to be a Saint, supported in one’s trials by almighty God, or else a Demoniac, to dwell alone in such places.

      • Yes, and here it could be the end-of-days prophecy of the “Mahdi” that is expected by the Shi’a and who will deceive those in the world who are NOT the Children of God through faith in Christ.
        The context of the verse you quoted follows:

        Matthew, Chapter 24, verses:

        23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

        24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

        25 Behold, I have told you before.

        26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

        27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

  • Willing to die for Jesus

    The Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible
    See Catholics are Christians – wow quoting a “Catholic Bible” didn’t know those existed!

    • Delta Rain

      I’ll have to get me one of those…

      • Willing to die for Jesus

        I have to embarrassingly admit I have about half a dozen but I’m more of a worshipper (i love Liturgies) rather than a Bible reader. I honestly tried to read it cover-to-cover once back in 2003 when I thought I would enter the seminary then it just never happened (I was 19 at the time) and I stopped somewhere in Exodus.. read the beautiful Psalms… then read all over the place. I want to be like a lot of these Bible verse and chapter quoting types, God didn’t make me that way though. I already have so many laws to remember as a secular lawyer really. God forgive me!

        Interesting fact I learnt about Bibles: there’s a Psalm 151 that not all Bibles have (due to denominational affiliation, apparently the Eastern Churches only have them in their Bibles): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psalm_151

        “The Eastern Orthodox Church as well as the Armenian Apostolic Church and the Armenian Catholic Church accept Psalm 151 ascanonical. Roman Catholics, Protestants, and most Jews consider it apocryphal.”

        God bless you immensely in the name of our Risen Lord & Savior Jesus Christ.

        • Delta Rain

          Ps151.1

          [2] My hands made a harp,

          my fingers fashioned a lyre.

          [3] And who will declare it to my Lord?
          The Lord himself; it is he who hears.

          [4] It was he who sent his messenger
          and took me from my father’s sheep,
          and anointed me with his anointing oil.

          [5] My brothers were handsome and tall,
          but the Lord was not pleased with them.

          [6] I went out to meet the Philistine,
          and he cursed me by his idols.

          [7] But I drew his own sword;
          I beheaded him, and removed reproach from
          the people of Israel.

        • AnthonyM

          May God richly bless you.

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            May God richly bless you as well brother, in the name of our Crucified Christ and His Holy Mother, the Virgin Mary, Mother of God.

        • Grandmere

          Maccabees is a fantastic read. Go for it.

      • Jeff Benton

        Grab a free online set from “The Word” or “Esword” or other such places… I used to keep a bunch of versions in book form, but it is so much easier and much less expensive to get the digital copies… A quick search through random passages with a hard back control copy will verify their integrity… I dont even know how many versions of the Holy Bible I have on “The Word”… But combine all those with my Bible collection in book form and it is a staggering amount that would take more time than mankind is granted for life to read through, (think study), thats for sure…

    • Delta Rain

      I never said Catholics aren’t Christians….Just a little uppity at times….I always assumed it was some type of a geographical difference….but never non-Christian?

      • Willing to die for Jesus

        Never said you did, others have, I still see them as kin if they don’t return the favor that’s fine. I love all Christians who are Trinitarian and conservative (as if it has to be said but when there are Apostate Churches accepting all this crazy non-Biblical stuff – ie, “gay marriages” – it has to be said clearly).

        • Delta Rain

          Yeah, I have family in the Mormon Church, I know about all that. And it only took one Aunt marrying one. And they are Liberals. They love Obama. Thanksgiving can get ah..weird at times.

          • VikingCelt

            Horrible. I know Mormons too, who do NOT like Obama at all and see him as a possible antichrist.

  • OrthodoxAmerican2015

    I was aware that in St. Daniel’s prophesy that ‘Maozim’ or ‘god of fortresses/forces’ would be the ‘god’ Antichrist would honor, but I didn’t know that it was a title of Allah’s. Good find on Allah in the Artahasis epic! I think for a number of reasons, that the Babylonians knew Allah as Nergal, god of death and destruction, who had his temple in the city of Cutha, whose people the Cutheans (some deported by the Assyrians to the former Kingdom of Israel, mixed with locals and became the Samaritans) were also known as the Sabeans of Arabia… And Islam absorbed elements of that, secret sects perhaps even more.

    • andrea

      Makes sense to me about secret sects. That’s like I say pop in the states people look at me funny and said oh a soda. I am not picking on Catholics because in the end there is not a box that says mark your religion to get to heaven. God knows who are his. But there our different names for the samething and that’s what I was aiming at. We are all mingled in together. there are people around the world working on certain agendas if that were not true I would gladly go back to my first thought well I don’t have to worry about the antichrist because it is the Middle East problem. Well the crap has been accepted in symbols through lodges in u.s. Now it is out in the open.

      • OrthodoxAmerican2015

        Well, my main concern is how quickly things seem to be speeding up than in my original personal timeline of about when the End Times were happening. Understand that growing up in the 70’s and 80’s, you had people all over the place setting dates and all, and I reacted strongly against that. Calmly and steadfastly, I figured that things would actually persist for a few hundred years more, say, around 2492 AD, the 8000th year of the world in the Byzantine World Era calendar. But now i’m not so sure of that.

        • knight

          No I think we are caught up in changing times for the worst and we are the winnesses

          • OrthodoxAmerican2015

            I’m content to live in the times that God has placed me, on the land that he has placed me, to do His Will. If we are very close to the End Times, and we may well be, then I just ask for the strength to bear it and be faithful to the end in the Lord Jesus.

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            Modern humans have forgotten how bad those French and Russian revolutions really were… cataclysmic.
            BUT moving on we’re still nuclear. the :”Cold War” never went away (I picture you’re childhood as really being my future, as in no future at all and I don’t care, I wish this stinking world would end, what’s so good about even the “developed” world or anywhere)… now there are more countries than ever with a Nuke! And all we ever hear is “Iran is going to get Nukes”. Big deal… Pakistan already has Nukes and so does India… their own squabbles can cause us nuclear fall-out!
            Moral – persevere until the end with Christ as you say. Pray that death comes quick when it does – as in a lightning bolt.

          • OrthodoxAmerican2015

            And yet, there is still much good in this life, and much good to do for each other, don’t forget that.

          • Delta Rain

            I can imagine… Sometimes more than I’d like… Lighting bolt or in battle is preferable.. Hopefully not as a prisoner. But I believe God will grant us His Grace in strength for what ever.manner we die.

          • The really slim shady

            Dont be discouraged. Were living at the most amazing time to be a Christian ever.
            Sure, most people think youre a loony, but were not here for them.
            Jesus is coming real soon, theres a very good chance the people talking in this forum wont have to die-we can be raptured!
            Who is like our God, who declares the end from the beginning?
            Jesus told us all the things that would happen beforehand. All we have to do at this point is be a good witness, and make sure we have enough oil for the lamp-wedding supper here we come!
            Remember my avatar, ill see you on the other side!

          • VikingCelt

            Amen, brother. We must be of the same generation – you mentioned 70’s and 80’s. I remember the predictions then, too.

          • OrthodoxAmerican2015

            Yeah, I was born in the late 60’s, raised in the 70’s as a kid, came of age in the 80’s, it was a different world back then, it really was, and the younger people would just have to take our word for it that it mainly was a better one for the most part. I miss it, and I want that kind of world back in so many ways. But, God knows best.

          • VikingCelt

            I’m a 70’s baby. I came of age in the 90’s, but I do remember the 70’s. The 80’s was my favourite time. Yes, I wish we could get that world back, in some ways, too. But you’re right, God knows best.

    • Enjoyed reading your comment Orthodox American.

      • OrthodoxAmerican2015

        Thank you sir, God bless you and your family and ministry, I owe it to you and my Coptic friends to keep me firmly fixed on proper spiritual discernment in these and other matters.

        In Christ,

        OA

  • knight

    Who ever hi is, he must be a peace keeping man to bring peace to the world for the first three and a half years out of the seven

  • edwitness

    I don’t know anyone who believes the pope is the antichrist. He is just the one who will make the introductions.
    And aside from the context the word is used in, using your logic in connecting Maozim to Allah could be said of the Biblical God as well. Some of His titles mean those things also. Right? He is a mighty fortress etc… But, the Maozim thing is interesting. Thanks.
    Blessings:-}

  • Marko

    You know some times when I read some of the comments here
    makes me physically sick. So much ignorance ,willingness to judge other people …
    I am Serbian Orthodox and I support with all my heart what Mr. Walid and his son trying to do in the spirit of true Christianity . For everything they do and everything they write here I could not care less what is their denomination . To me , they are Christians!!!
    You people who only try to spread hatred among brothers I pray for you , I pray you will open your heart before it’s too late . If you had known true suffering , how is like to be hungry , powerless , the suffering of war you would never judged others and you would realize what Mr. Walid writes here in his articles . I am afraid that only when you feel true suffering you’ll be able to understand . I pray for you .Kyrie Eleison !!!

    • Trevor

      I’m a mutt Christian. 🙂

      Grew up in a Baptist church, matured in a Charismatic Pentecostal, and now I am just studying the Word and preparing myself for the Lord’s return.

      • Marko

        As I said It only matters to me what is in your heart, brother . You’re not
        mutt Christian, to me you are Christian brother . God bless you !

        • Trevor

          God bless you, too, sir!

          Yahweh Nissi!

      • Grandmere

        You may be a mutt, but your our mutt. That makes the difference.

        • Trevor

          Well, this mutt might not have much bark or bite, but I do bite without warning. 🙂

          • VikingCelt

            Lol!

    • OrthodoxAmerican2015

      Thank you and God bless you Marko, and I say; Glory to Serbia! (especially as we are kin-I’m part ‘Sorb’, the tribe of Slav left in Germany :-).

      Suffering is how the wandering sheep will be gathered in the Sheepfold, I am afraid, but once we are all together, oh what a moment that will be, life from the dead!

      In Christ,

      OA

      • Marko

        My northern Serbian brother 🙂 (BRAT) .Indestructible northern Serbs Long Live Lužica !

        • OrthodoxAmerican2015

          :-)! Yes, that is our symbol! And one of us came to Serbia and became a general in your army during World War One;

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavle_Juri%C5%A1i%C4%87_%C5%A0turm

          You may not know, but i’ve mentioned a personal theory of mine here before about the Slavs, coming from a union of the Lost Tribes of Israel with Scythians after being exiled beyond the Caucasus by the Assyrians when they conquered the Kingdom of Israel. I feel it in my bones, but your thought might differ, and that’s ok. Good to see a Southern Serb brother:-)

          • Marko

            Of course I know who General Sturm is 🙂 . I also know a lot about our (Serbian) hidden history . I completely agree with you
            and many Jews agree with that .I guess that’s why they want to
            destroy us and to assimilate us but that’s another story . I’m glad I
            met Northern Serbian brother , God bless you and your family 🙂 .

          • OrthodoxAmerican2015

            God bless you and your family as well, in Christ, many years!

            Yes, this is why Satan tries to destroy the tribes, Israel and Judah both, because we will or do constitute Christ’s Church in Right Belief, the Jews conversion before Satan’s final defeat.

          • OrthodoxAmerican2015

            Ah, sorry Marko, I missed this, but if i’m not mistaken, it is the symbol of Serbia… But is this from Roman times? 🙂

          • Marko

            It is a symbol of all Serbs it’s more ancient then Roman Republic
            originates from Etruscans/Phoenicians.I do not have the English texts but It would set you a link where you can see historical sources

          • OrthodoxAmerican2015

            Spasibo, Marko! It is true that the Romans and Germans wrote the history books, and there are so many lies that the victors write, one must be a detective to get at and learn the real history…This is because liars always contradict themselves, because they can’t always agree amongst themselves what to lie about! Lol, and so one can slowly piece the real story of mankind together, matching the Biblical narrative. There is a lot to absorb for this Sorb, but it is interesting reading, and much of it fits in well with other things I have learned.

            There was no ‘Slav Invasion’ of the Balkans, we were already there for a long time, Thracians and Dacians, Triballi and Moesians, Illyrians and Epirotes and Macedonians too I think 🙂

            Glory to Serbia! Glory to the sons of St. Sava and St. Lazar and of King Stephan Dushan!

            God bless

          • Marko

            There was nowhere Slav invasion ,I wolud like that some historian explain to me how is it posible that nothing was destroyed during this “invasion” every building from the Roman period exists today no signs of invasion.Someone explain to me how it is possible that the first Serbian kings wrote documents and signed them with their own hands if we were illiterate barbarians at a time when the European kings signed with fingerprint or with sign of the cross?Why is this obelix from eighth century BC Lycia modern day Turkey written in Old Serbian so that even today I can understand most of the words on it?Why was that city in Lycia called Serben (now Xantos) in ancient times ? In any case ,God willing that Slavs have more of leaders as Tzar Stephan Dushan was ! God bless you, my Serbian brother !With faith in God for glorious freedom!

          • OrthodoxAmerican2015

            Marko I thank you! I am learning so much! When I first read of these ‘invasions’, and the overwhelming lack of evidence (only that the Avars and Bulgars and Magyars invaded the Balkans during during this time period, unsettling established populations and making refugees and conquering the original peoples) for them, I had to start looking elsewhere for the truth.

            You’re helping me in my research, truly.

            Glory to Serbia and to Holy Rus! God bless you Marko.

          • Marko

            I have a lot of scientific articles on the origin of Serbs .But just listen to Netanyahu’s introduction it will only confirm your theory.

          • OrthodoxAmerican2015

            I’m looking forwards to seeing it, my brother!

          • Marko

            Roman Republic 509BC-27BC 🙂

          • OrthodoxAmerican2015

            I saw the video with Netanyahu with the Serb PM, and that is most interesting, but it makes me very curious about the Roman Republic connection, can you help me with that information?

            God bless you Marko!

        • Willing to die for Jesus

          I have to say a Catholic I don’t support the canonization of the Ustasha archbishop/ cardinal (Stepinac), I know a lot of Russian history and Balkans, but the Vatican is a political entity and it was pandering to Croatian nationalism (it was wrong, anti-ecumenical for Orthodox-Catholic ties and also anti-Semitic). There are many Catholics who are pro-Russia and love the Patriarch of Moscow, and Russia because we can’t see any other country in the Christian world who is taking a strong stand against homosexuality and Islam. Don’t let the West continue defaming your glorious heritage. I am glad you are proud of it. There are too many Western-aided traitors in Eastern Europe operating under the cover of “human rights”. I AM AGAINST KOSOVO AND THE BOSNIAN MUSLIMS – IT WAS WRONG TO BOMB THE SERBS. God has not forgotten about this.
          I also pray that Russia (and Eastern Europe) stops the wicked sin of ABORTION that is used as contraception. It is so sad the the more Christian Eastern Europe is being killed by their own kind due to lack of reproduction. I can understand it is hard in our world – it is hardly an Eastern European thing – but I pray this abortion in a lot of the Orthodox countries like Russia and Romania (I don’t know about Serbia) is ended and that PRO-LIFE legislation is introduced. I like the strong stand on homosexuality, but there has to be a civil movement of Orthodox Christians and other Trinitarian Christian allies in your and these countries to push for positive Pro-Life laws.
          God save Holy Russia and the Balkans and Eastern Europe.
          God bless you immensely in our one and only Savior, Jesus Christ, only begotten Son of the Holy Virgin Mary, Mother of God.

          • Marko

            I totally agree with you in all that you wrote and I know that the Vatican does not represent true Catholics it’s power structure
            instead of being the structure of faith . The problem with Eastern Europe is that the centers of power are not killing us longer just physically but in a more perfidious way,by killing our hope they killing us spiritually. And this is done for hundreds of years through communism,constant injustice ,wars ,favoring Muslims … therefore so many abortions , suicide etc. I am 35 years old .
            35 years living in a constant struggle ,I saw so many destruction and misfortunes , enough for three lives . But in my case it only made me stronger and strengthened my faith in God . But I can not judge other people , I can only hope and pray for them that they see the future as I see it and that they will not lose hope . When you kill people’s hope you kill their soul . I guess that’s why so many of us see in Russia a beacon of light .We all have a mission to spread brotherhood ,light and hope God bless you and your family and thank you!

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            It pains me to hear this struggle you speak of Marko. God understands all this pain and we will all be asked to give an account of what we did and didn’t do in our lives on Judgment Day. The wicked cannot hide from God. Try not to give up hope – I know that is easier said than done. I just wanted to reach out and give Christian support.
            I am close to your age (32), and the Western people are also getting the same treatment of despair with our leaders not representing our beliefs. I am in Australia,, we might have a Catholic Pro-Life Prime Minister (it changes all the time and the culture wars are hard to fight), but he is still Pro-War on Russia. I hate it. I speak out against this all the time with everyone (like pro-life issues). I don’t want to sound like a hypocrite as a childless and single male (I thought I would enter the seminary about a decade ago and it never happened and ended up going to become a secular lawyer and instead of practice went into that unholy of places – the universities to teach future lawyers instead).
            But I am so glad that you have Faith in God and in Christ which is the absolutely number one priority. I also pray you find the strength and means to start a family, even if circumstances are difficult. Regenerate the Balkans and Eastern Europe with Christian Children not Muslim occupiers! The Serbs are such a wonderful model of Christian warriors to look up to. That’s why I have said the Western leaders hates the Orthodox peoples – because they stand for CHRIST.
            Russia and the Balkans and Eastern European people are always in my prayers.
            Please forgive me if I have said anything inappropriate or have offended you, it was not my intention if I have.
            God bless you immensely in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, Son of the Holy Virgin Mary Mother of God.

          • Marko

            You did not offended me in any way on the contrary you have only strengthened my beliefs about brotherhood that I mentioned with your kind words . I have to find you some nice Serbian girl 😉 . God bless you brother!

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            I am glad not to have offended you.
            Thank you for the wonderfully kind and generous comment about strengthening your beliefs, it is so important to be in fellowship with Christians, it is hard to be in fellowship or even friends with people with cannot relate with such a base idea as being a Christian (whether Orthodox, Catholic, other Trinitarian Christians… I personally like the traditional Churches and pray they are united since Christ demanded His Church to be made One so that the World may Believe. I am so proud of the Orthodox Churches and their Testimony of Faith under struggle. And the peoples under Communism – and the Serbian people under the despotic Western bombings.

            Thank you for the kind offer of finding me a Serbian female – I know that they are particularly fine women Serbian women and Russian women, but that would be mightily selfish of me for the local men!

            God bless you immensely – you too have brightened my day. Praise God! Thanks be to Christ and the Heavenly Father in the Highest, and to the Virgin Mary, Mother of God.

          • Marko

            Amen!

          • VikingCelt

            Willing, don’t let that opportunity pass by, now. Lol! There are plenty of Serbian women to go around, I’m sure. You just might get a real prize. Let your brother help you out, good fellow.
            ; )

          • OrthodoxAmerican2015

            It is certainly a good offer to find a Serbian woman, Serb women are some of the most beautiful women in the world in my opinion:-). But this is true of Eastern Europe in general also.

    • VikingCelt

      Many of us agree with you, Marko. It will be oersecution, I bekieve, that causes God’s true, universal church (all Christians) to wash their robes in the last days. Persecution will purify a vain, spoiled, fat, and lazy church – in many ways, we all are this way, in this day and age. Those Christians who come out of that persecution, with robes white and hearts purified, will not be pointing fingers at anyone but self, for criticism. And we’ll be humbled by how merciful God was to such horrific sinners as ourselves. As Christians, we’ll need one another in those dark days. May God prepare us.

  • OrthodoxAmerican2015

    Are you a Christian?

    • Grandmere

      The answer is NO

      • OrthodoxAmerican2015

        I just love how Anti-Christians like to bully Christians and tell them how they aren’t Christian, and define Christianity for us… Amazing.

  • OrthodoxAmerican2015

    And both Christ and Satan are called ‘Morning Star’. Obviously a difference there. The context of St. Daniel is that;

    1. This ‘God’ that Antichrist worships was unknown to his ancestors, but

    2. Is honored as the ‘God of Fortresses’

    Therefore I can only conclude that this ‘God’ is a being who has stolen the honors proper to God alone, in keeping with my point number one. Which leads me to;

    3. Allah claims to be the God of the Bible, he’s going to use appropriated terms, terms which he will pervert of course, being Satan.

    It’s like Hinduism with it’s ‘Trimurti’ of Bhrama, Shiva, and Vishnu, and claiming that our Christian Holy Trinity is the corruption of that. Somebody is wrong, very wrong, but it takes a similarity to the truth to really fool people.

  • AnthonyM

    Being elected he Sultan avoids the reminders of the split over who is the rightful descendant of Mohammed, who would be the Caliph. Once Erdogan is elected, and becomes Sultan, or the political/secular leader, it won’t be long before he is given another crown, that of Caliph.

  • AnthonyM

    The moderator cut Erdogan’s response to Peres (on Israels recent military campaign) short due to rules and time restrictions. Erdogan persisted: “Mr. Peres, you are older than me,” he said. “Your voice comes out in a very loud tone. And the loudness of your voice has to do with a guilty conscience. My voice, however, will not come out in the same tone.”

    Resisting efforts by Mr. Ignatius to end the session, Mr. Erdogan continued, saying to Mr. Peres, “When it comes to killing, you know well how to kill.”

    Eventually, the prime minister gathered up his papers and departed, saying, “And so Davos is over for me from now on.”

  • AnthonyM

    What was reported in main stream media was a distortion or faulty translation.
    He said, may you be an angel of peace.

    The Vatican reporter for the Italian newspaper La Stampa reports:

    As is tradition with heads of State or of government, Francis presented presented a gift to the Palestinian leader, commenting: “May the angel of peace destroy the evil spirit of war. I thought of you: may you be an angel of peace.”

    P.S. I am not answering for Walid, just want to answer your serious question.

    What discrepancies between the Bible and Catholic teaching?

    • The really slim shady

      Ive been studying up on my Catholicism since ive been talking to Willing, as i was raised Lutheran (non-dem now), and didnt know much of our differences. Despite learning about Luther for years, i couldnt even name one of the 95 thesis.
      But i will give you a few of what i find as discrepancies:
      1) saved by grace alone, not by works or any form of pennance/confession.
      2) purgatory
      3) One mediator between God and man – the man Jesus Christ…..not Mary or any other “saint”.
      4) Divine ascension
      5) The Pope and his “Papal infallability”
      6) The pagan culture inside the Vatican.

      • Tom_mcewen

        you need to study harder and read less protestant tracts.

        • The really slim shady

          Because that answers some of the questions i raised.
          I get my info on Christianity from the Bible alone, my Catholcism knowledge has come from various people and good ol google.

          • Tom_mcewen

            Well, I see your problem, we are not protestants. 2+2 = 4 is always the same because it is true, not what some person thinks it is. I despair of so called Catholic saying what the church believes. go to a priest and talk to him or read the catechism (a big book) of the doctrine of the deposit of faith, the wisdom and learning of the Church Fathers and councils on every bit of theology you can imagine with the answers. I spent ten years of study to become Catholic and it was easy and very hard. It was the best thing I ever did, better then my university degree. It is both faith and reason. The Bible is the Ethropian Philip ran up to the chariot and heard the man reading Isaiah the prophet. “Do you understand what you are reading?” Philip asked.
            “How can I,” he said, “unless someone explains it to me?” So he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.

            The Church is the Mother of the Bible not the bible the mother of the Church. the bible canon was in 397AD, the books do not glow in the dark, it was the church who tells what the books are and how they are to be understood. It is not a loss of freedom, but a loss of confusion. You are wrong in your list, very wrong. The eucharist is true and that should be your touch stone in all things.

          • The really slim shady

            As i stated i was lutheran – Catholic lite. I know what a catechism is.
            I commend you for studying the faith for 10 yrs, but alas, the journey isnt over. Theres always more to learn.
            Ill give you that God used the Catholic Church to assemble the Bible as we know it, i do however feel that God is the Father of the Bible, not the Catholic Church.
            The Bible is for everybody, not just those that call themselves Catholic.
            And i dont care so much what anybody says, im strictly going of Biblical interpretation. To say im wrong without any Biblical proof is empty. I can back up my stance with scriptures.

          • Tom_mcewen

            Verses can mean anything when they are used out of context and out of history, then they become your own personal theology not the bible’s. I hate people pulling verses to prove anything, they only prove they can read not that they know anything beyond their personal viewpoint. I am the Ethropian, I am not a Apostle. With Spiritual gifts there are physical signs, I have never seen a person with the physical signs, those who claim the holy spirit I believe are liars. Empirical proof is missing, a round robin is saying the scriptures are true because they are true is false. There must be an authority outside of the bible.

          • The really slim shady

            I haven’t told you any verses, how do you know I am using them out of context?
            Personally, I believe everyone should have their own personal theology (religion), what can we know other than what we’ve experienced? What things seem rational to us.
            I have no idea what Ethropian is, spell check doesn’t know, and google can’t seem to find it either. You will have to enlighten me on that one.
            There are many different kinds of spiritual gifts, and Jesus Himself claimed He would ask the Father to send the Holy Spirit to us, so that’s completely opposed to the theology the Bible presents.
            Don’t forget, the Bible was ASSEMBLED after Christ, the OT was written, in some cases, long before Christ. And the NT books were in circulation in the church before the Bible was assembled as well. There is an authority outside of the Bible, but it just so happens that it is the same Spirit as the Bible, after all “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning, and through Him all things were made.” Christ Himself is our authority, I don’t care if 7 billion people oppose me, Christ and His Word is all that matters to me. The authority was around long before any words were ever written…and it wasn’t the “Holy See”.
            There is no way possible the OT was in Greek, doesn’t make any sense historically or logically, considering the Jews (who wrote the books) spoke Hebrew during the OT. And don’t forget, most of the “Protestant’s” books of the Bible are exactly the same as the Catholic’s. And have you ever heard of the Dead Sea Scrolls? They are very old, and I’ve personally seen them (although I will grant you, they could have been fakes).
            Jesus spoke Aramaic, not Greek. The NT was written in Greek because the Hellenistic culture was popular at the time the NT was written.
            When Christ returns, there is going to be no Catholic, Protestant, Anglican, Coptic, etc – there is just going to be “His”….why we label ourselves now I have no idea.
            Just for the record, I don’t consider myself any of the above. None of the religions matter to me, just the Bible. I have things to learn, as we all do. And God works on us all at different paces, but truly, when we die (or are raptured) the Pope isn’t going to be there, checking the book for our names. No priest or rabbi or pastor or guru will be there, it will be just me and the judge Jesus Christ, and His opinion of me is all that matters.
            Have I gotten some things wrong in my life? 100% most definitely, but at least I can admit it, and at least I am no longer slave to a bigoted way of thinking – only a certain type of Christian can be saved.
            The idea that any church is the authority on our faith is blasphemy. The Church belongs to Christ, not the other way around. Just one example, if the Church were the authority, the Inquisition would have been justified – it wasn’t.
            “If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of a qualified church theologian, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.”…wait, that isn’t right.
            Where in the Bible does it say you have to study at Seminary to know the Word of God? Where does it say you have to be qualified to have an viewpoint on what it says? It isn’t rocket science after all, it’s so simple even children can understand it.

          • Tom_mcewen

            Kant?

          • The really slim shady

            Kan

      • Julie LaBrecque

        Catholic Church teaches that grace alone is what saves us – what we do with the grace we are given figures in to whether or not we attain the Beatific Vision – scripture lists many things we must do for eternal salvation: Repent, be baptized (Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16, 1 Peter 3:21), believe in Christ (John 3:16), have faith and works (James 2:24, Romans 2:6-7), forgive those who trespass against us (Matt 6:14-15), eat his flesh and drink his blood (John 6:54), strive for peace and holiness without which no one will see the Lord (Hebrews 12:14), live up to the Beatitudes (Matt 5:3-10) or else be cut off from the vine and thrown into the Lake of Fire (Matt 25:41-46), keep the commandments (Matt 19:17) be clean because nothing unclean enters heaven (Rev 21:27), declare that Jesus is Lord and Savior (Luke 12:8), obey your leaders (Hebrews 13:17), etc.

  • Catbr

    Just wondering if Erdogan is a drug addict because of how insane he talks and thinks of himself. Hitler (his dad, maybe?) was a drug addict and you know what they say, the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree or something like that.

  • OrthodoxAmerican2015

    And then there’s the curious Voodoo god ‘Damballah’, who is the creator god in voodoo, and is a serpent….. Wow.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damballa

  • The really slim shady

    What makes you think we believe Hes white? Theres probably more than 2 billion Christians in the world – on different continents. Im sure not all of them think like a spoiled, young, liberal American.
    You know that thing you do where you come on Christian forums to bash Christians? Its probably your sub-conscious trying to direct you towards reality.
    Keep seeking, keep knocking, and keep asking my friend.

    • The really slim shady

      And for future reference, Christian God is the same as Jewish God. So it would be detrimental to His Godhood to throw Himself out.

  • The really slim shady

    I have felt like you about America for a while, but hope is not lost. Think of the freedoms we still have!
    Do we really want to live in the dillusion that life is good and “well be young forever”?
    I say no! This world is passing away and Jesus is going to bless us greatly.
    Hold onto the faith, and be thankful we still live in a moderately free society.
    Sure the future seems non existent, but thats because it is…..this exisitence at least.
    Store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where Presidents dont executive order and steal.

  • Jeff Benton

    38 But he shall worship the god Maozim in his place: and a god whom his fathers knew not, he shall worship with gold, and silver, and precious stones, and things of great price. [BI, JFB, MHCC, MHWBC, NET Notes, TSK] 39 And he shall do this to fortify Maozim with a strange god, whom he hath acknowledged, and he shall increase glory and shall give them power over many, and shall divide the land gratis. [BI, DTN, JFB, MHCC, MHWBC, NET Notes, TSK]

    THE HOLY BIBLE
    TRANSLATED FROM THE LATIN VULGATE
    DILIGENTLY COMPARED WITH THE HEBREW, GREEK, AND OTHER EDITIONS IN DIVERS LANGUAGES
    THE OLD TESTAMENT
    FIRST PUBLISHED BY THE ENGLISH COLLEGE AT DOUAY, A.D. 1609
    AND
    THE NEW TESTAMENT
    FIRST PUBLISHED BY THE ENGLISH COLLEGE AT RHEIMS, A.D. 1582
    WITH ANNOTATIONS, REFERENCES, AND AN HISTORICAL AND CHRONOLOGICAL INDEX
    THE WHOLE REVISED AND DILIGENTLY COMPARED WITH THE LATIN VULGATE BY BISHOP RICHARD CHALLONER, A.D.
    1749-1752
    PUBLISHED WITH THE APPROBATION OF
    HIS EMINENCE JAMES CARDINAL GIBBONS
    ARCHBISHOP OF BALTIMORE

    • Jeff Benton

      As you can see from the top of this pic, there are 53 or so versions to choose from, and you can run them side by side with the compare tool if you are led too also… This has greatly helped me in my endeavors as a poor excuse for a Christian…
      My other go to source for Bible study these days is Esword… A much simpler tool…
      My eyes went from perfect vision to instablur overnight back in 2010,,,,
      So being able to increase the font size on a computer screen was a life saver…
      That is also why you see me type 3 or so periods after each sentence LOL… I know it upsets the grammer nazi’s no end, and I must confess, I do find a little pleasure in that heh heh heh, but truthfully It is for my benefit, so I can easily see the sentence breaks… 🙂 🙂 🙂

  • Willing to die for Jesus

    Eniolataiwo • a day ago
    Hmmmnnn, Christians and their retarded ways of thinking.

    And everybody ^^^^^ this ^^^^^ is why we NEED CHRISTIAN UNITY AND FELLOWSHIP MORE THAN EVER.
    In Christ. He is THE Truth, the Way and the Life.

    [Note I copy-pasted in case the coward deletes the comment as so many do out of shame. Go on and offend me or others for their Faith in Jesus Christ.

    • Grandmere

      What coward deletes your comments? I’m confused.

      • Willing to die for Jesus

        They delete their own comments sometimes.. you can do it, just go right hand somewhere pull down arrow ‘delete’, never done it though… it just leaves a space gap, like a hole or scar (the deleted comments), but it obviously leaves your response comment “hanging”.. so if he deleted… I’ve got it in my comment..

  • Willing to die for Jesus

    Where would you head to? Where is this Earthly Paradise? I’m in Australia – I don’t like it here either and want to get out. I know Western Europe stinks and is basically getting more Muslim each day (AVOID London, France, Sweden, Belgium/Holland – as long as the marauding Islamics are there and the Islamo-Leftists the natives which seems a long time as they have succumbed to Muslims and Communist enablers of Islam. Clearly the US isn’t desirable so the ‘West’ as we understood it stinks! So if we’re European we’ve only got Eastern Europe and Russia unless you feel you blend in, in Asia or Africa. There’s South America too….? Maybe the moral is to just persevere to the end unless you’re in a Dearbornistan, MI (in which case you can always move cities).

    • HatebreedsTrolls

      I wasn’t referring to earth as my home. I meant I want to be home in Heaven with my Lord and Savior, Jesus.

  • Grandmere

    WOW!

  • Grandmere

    God is a spirit and has not the body of a man. His son was incarnate from the Virgin Mary, a Jewish maiden. I never ask what color his eyes are. All I want is to look into them. “When we see Him, we will be like Him.”

  • Grandmere

    Did you really mean “scatological”? Check that definition. Did you mean eschatological?

  • edwitness

    “Denominational divisiveness” is the problem? The issue concerning Islam is that they do not know Jesus because if they did they would not be murdering anyone, right? What the Christian is commanded to do is to spread the gospel. The message that Jesus is the ONLY way to the Father. Acts 1:8 & John 14:6. And that He came and died and is risen for us. The issue that Jesus is the ONLY way is paramount in the divide between false religion and true faith. And in the case concerning who Jesus is, the Roman Catholic religion is just as false as Islam. That makes them a false religion, not a denomination. Because they believe you don’t necessarily need Jesus to be saved. Just a belief in and works to go along with whatever “faith” you do have. That is why the pope could say that Jews and Muslims worship the one true God, and at least in the case of the Jews, said they do not need conversion. But, they can not be worshiping the one and only true God because they reject Jesus as the Creator God. 1st John 5:10-13 & Col. 1:16. Their religion is false. Therefore, those are not saved who believe the Roman Catholic beliefs and practices will save them. Jesus is the ONLY way to the Father. With nothing added. It’s not denominational because they are not Christian. I hope this helps you understand the true nature of the dispute. In the bad old days the Roman Catholics murdered those who believed as I do.
    Blessings:-}

  • OrthodoxAmerican2015

    If his families roots are in Georgia, in the Caucasus mountain country, than his roots are in a Nation with one of the oldest churches in the world. And, then there is the possibility that being from Turkey, he could also have some Donmeh roots….The Jewish followers of Sabbatai Zevi in the Ottoman Empire who converted to Islam when he did in 1666 AD.

  • OrthodoxAmerican2015

    I do see what you’re saying, and what I find interesting is that in some of the Islamic literature i’ve read or heard in media, their ‘Mahdi’ is someone who wasn’t a ‘very good Muslim’ at first. I’m not sure if you know this, but Muslims believe that everybody is born a Muslim, and many of us fall away from it as we grow up and are influenced by non-muslim adults. Islamists would then be open to the idea of accepting a convert to Islam as Mahdi, and a geneology could be found/invented/’discovered’ to show familial relationship to Muhammad, as required by prophesies of the Mahdi also. Just a thought.

  • The really slim shady

    I really do appreciate you taking the time to debate with me. Most people have quit talking to me.
    I can, however, promise I will never be enrolled in RCIA, whatever that is, or that I will “come home”, as I see that as part of the main problem I’m presenting.

    1) Is Penance/Confession not a work? How about the Hail Marys? When Jesus died on the cross He said “It is finished”, what more is there to do? I am with you, faith without works is dead, to me that means if you have faith, naturally you should have good works – the tree is known by the fruit it produces. A bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
    But the point I’m making is more on the lines with your other answer, that you believe we can lose our salvation if we commit some kind of great sin, and that it takes penance/confession to get it back. That’s not Biblical, that is salvation by works. There is something you must do to gain your salvation back. Christ has already paid the debt, how many times do we have to put Him back up on the cross? He said it’s finished. It’s just like Passover, when God sees the blood, He will not destroy us. We’re saved by grace alone, through the blood of Christ

    2) Just wondering where in the Bible, in the books we all consider canon, does it talk about Purgatory? What I get from the Bible is all OT believers went to Sheol/Hades (depending on which language you’re speaking). All unbelievers also went there, but there was a chasm separating them (see Rich man poor Lazarus, Luke 16:19-31).
    Why did Jesus tell the thief who was crucified next to Him “today you will be with me in Paradise”? Was the thief unblemished? Of all the people that were healed by Jesus, He told them “Your faith has made you well”. Christ died for all sin, a once and for all offering, and we receive salvation upon believing in Him. There is no need for a place like purgatory to make atonement for a debt that’s already been paid.
    Also, 2 Corinthians 5:8 “We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.” Christ had to be the first man to raise from the dead, so pre-Christ believers went into “Abraham’s Bosom” until Christ raised from the dead. The first thing Christ did was raise the dead in Christ, who dwelt in Sheol/Hades, “At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life.” Matthew 27:51-52

    3) I see your reasoning here, still seems off considering we can go directly to Jesus ourselves. But I’ll give you this one.

    4) By Divine Ascension I am referring to the Catholic Church being the “true church” that can trace it’s roots back to Peter. And that all the church’s leaders were divinely elected. For one, there was never only once church. Peter was the head of the brethren in Jerusalem, but Paul built most of the other early churches. They didn’t all have a singular belief about everything, as we can see in the first part of Revelation, and it certainly wasn’t the Catholic Church as we know it today. The Church that Christ built has no denomination. Jesus doesn’t like the denominations, that isn’t to say He wants us all to be Catholic, He simply wants us all to know Him. Mary was just a very blessed woman, still a sinner like every other human. If she was perfect, why didn’t she die for our sins? What made Jesus so special then?

    5) I think if you go back through the declarations of the Popes and anti-popes, or just listen to the current one, you will see that they are not infallible. Throughout history they have done/said many things that conflict with the Bible. Such as Pope Francis asking who is he to judge gays? – Supposedly the Vicar of Christ…who definitely has something to say about homosexuals. How about Pope Alexander VI? Again, a good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree certainly cannot be infallible.

    6) I’m not saying the Catholic Church is completely pagan. I believe it’s a collection of many beliefs, because it was a political tool since it’s infancy. Constantine was told “rule by this” which he did. But not only did he legalize Christianity, he legalized pagan beliefs as well. This mixture of Christianity and paganism can be clearly seen in many things in the Catholic Church. There is an Egyptian obelisk in the Vatican (representing some gods missing phallus – Horus?). The “halo” as seen in many pictures (granted not just Catholic) is nothing more than just a sun disk, which represents Ra. The elevation of Mary as some sort of god, creating the pagan Father-Mother-Son trinity. So many holy days that were blended together, such as Christmas and Easter (Ishtar). In my opinion, The Roman Catholic Church is a political machine, which completely explains the Dark Ages – the time when the RCC was king of the world.

    I also don’t want to make it seem as though I believe anyone who calls themselves a Catholic is a pagan or any other form of unbeliever. I believe it’s up to the individual, not their church. I believe many Catholics, Protestants, Anglicans, Orthodox, Non-dems, etc will go to heaven, I also believe many will miss out, despite saying “Lord, Lord, we prophesied in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and performed many miracles in your name”…

    The moral of the story is we have much in common, anyone who is saved is saved by the Blood of Christ – not the church they attend or don’t attend. The church won’t be there to verify our attendance or level of study on the day of reckoning.
    And after all, “Who, then, is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?” He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them. And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. And whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me.”

    And Christians don’t go to church, where they go, the Church goes with them. “For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”

    Thanks for your time, it’s ok to be less religious and enjoy the freedom we have in Christ.

    And P.S. Thank God for the Catholic Church, as it has definitely done much for the sake of Christ. Without the Catholics there would be no Anglicans, Protestants, Orthodox, etc. So God has definitely used the Catholics to serve His purpose. I mean, Paul brought Christianity to Rome. But to say there is nothing else, or that it is the sole authority on the Bible is ludicrous.

    • AnthonyM

      I’m reminded of a saying, ‘Never say never.’ Unless you are all-knowing and know your future!

      1. Confession is a sacrament, which is an outward sign instituted by Christ to give grace. It is the sacrament for the forgiveness of sin. It is not works, which is like almsgiving, prayer, fasting. Christ died once for all, Catholics don’t, and can’t, put Him back on the cross. Jesus Christ delegated authority to his New Testament ministers to act as mediators of reconciliation as well. Jesus made this remarkably clear in John 20:21-23: Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.” This is the means Jesus established for forgiveness of sins.

      2) Yes, ‘today you (thief) will be with me (Jesus) in Paradise’. I don’t know if he was sinless at that moment or not when he died. Jesus knows. And he made a profession of faith at his data. His life previous was not sinless that is clear. But at death, time stops, it does not continue on in another place called Paradise. So if there is no time, how long did he spend in Purgatory, since time is a limitation of the human condition.

      Christ refers to the sinner who “will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come” (Matt. 12:32), suggesting that one can be freed after death of the consequences of one’s sins. Similarly, Paul tells us that, when we are judged, each man’s work will be tried. And what happens if a righteous man’s work fails the test? “He will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire” (1 Cor 3:15)

      What happens to someone who dies with sin on his soul? Nothing unclean can enter into heaven.

      4) Oh, Apostolic Succession, meaning conferring of the Holy Spirit by the placing on hands on their successor. Why is that so hard to believe? Jesus founded a Church. He founded on the Apostles, who were Jews. The Jews rejected the Jesus and his followers, sos they were no longer Jews. Hence the Catholic Church was born. This did not happen overnight. The first followers of Christ were called Christians in Antioch. The earliest document we have in which “Catholic” is used to label the Church is a letter from Ignatius of Antioch, who wrote around A.D. 107, while being taken to Rome for execution. For all we know, the term was used well before that time—which is to say, in the time of the apostles. At that time, or shortly thereafter, it was used to refer to a single, visible communion, separate from others.

      The names of all the Popes since St Peter are documented history. Election of Popes is done under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Judas was replaced with Mathias. Acts 1:24 And they prayed and said, “Lord, who knowest the hearts of all men, show which one of these two thou hast chosen 1:25 to take the place in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside, to go to his own place.” 1:26 And they cast lots for them, and the lot fell on Matthias; and he was enrolled with the eleven apostles.

      Mary was sinless, and she was kept from sin by the power of God, by his saving plan of salvation, in order for her to be a more perfect Christ-bearer. That is how she was saved. She was totally human, so she could not die for our sins. It had to be a sacrificial lamb, the Son of God.

      5) You may be confused on the meaning of Infallibility. It ONLY pertains when Pope’s speak on matter of Faith and Morals. And it is clearly stated when they are speaking ‘from the Chair of Peter’. This does not cover idle commentary on an airplane trip with reporters, or off the record comments captured by a live mic.

      Can you give me an example where a Pope has spoken ‘Ex cathedra’ (a Latin phrase which means from the chair) and it was in error?

      6) You are really getting into Jack Chick territory here, and you have been seriously misled. Christmas or Christ Mass, is the celebration of Christ birth. You are saying Christ was not born? It is a date that it occurred, and has been documented as accurate. Same with Easter. Nothing to do with pagan holidays. This is just butter-scotch invented by anti-Catholic bigots. It is my experience that many people just make stuff up, and hope to prove themselves superior out of pride, or Satan’s influence. I believe these bigots are the people to whom Jesus says ‘ I never knew you, depart from me you accursed.’

      And you said (representing some gods missing phallus – Horus?) Do you actually believe the crap you type?

      I would say in summary you are confused or false in your thinking, you believe the worst falsehoods about the Catholic Church, but you say you thanks God for the Catholic Church. All the answers to your objections are freely available at Catholic web sites. I can’t do it here. You don’t want to go to the trouble that effort it takes? Or because it is easier to do nothing, and continue to cast the same objections year in and year out, and never come to the truth?

      Anyway, this site is about Rescuing Christians.
      Did you contribute to the effort yet?
      No? What are you waiting for? You could meet your maker tonight, and have to give an accounting of your life.

      • The really slim shady

        1. That verse doesn’t say they are mediators, it is giving them authority as His ambassadors. It’s just like the loose-bind verse. It’s like an employer that hires a manager to run his business. Did the apostles themselves forgive the sins? Or was He saying whatever they decide to do He will back them up? He is trusting that they know His will well enough that they would make the same decisions He would. It’s not saying that a man must go to one of the apostles (or a priest) to receive forgiveness of sin – Christ has already given us that Himself. It doesn’t say the apostles (Catholic church if you wish) are the ones that have this sole authority. A person has man has no need to receive from another man what Christ has already given him. You don’t need another mediator, coming in to try to reap some of the glory, when there is one Mediator between God and mankind – the man Jesus Christ.

        2. We are never sinless, or always sinless depending how you want to look at it.

        A) We are never sinless (once a sinner always a sinner)

        The moment we are born, we are born into sin. Although children are given a pass due to intellectual disadvantages, they are 100% of the time going to grow up to be a sinner – and know better on top of it. And once you have sinned, you have a blemish, and cannot enter the kingdom of Heaven.

        B) We are always sinless (salvation)

        Jesus died as a once-and-for-all sacrifice. The work of salvation is finished. The moment Jesus comes to dwell in our heart He has forgiven all of our sin – past, present, and future. He baptizes us in the Spirit, and uses fire (Matt 3:11) to refine us into new creations (born again). This is the baptism it speaks of when it says “repent and be baptized”. It is the baptism by fire that is essential, because this is what, by definition, makes us a Christian. Why are you interested in Christian things – because you’ve been made a new creation, the old has passed away (we have died to our old sinful selves) and behold all things have become new (we have been given salvation).

        A person who has been baptized by the Spirit will, by nature, bear good fruit. You could baptize someone ten million times, and they would still be a worthless sinner without the baptism by fire – the baptism that Christ offers. We have no need for sacraments.

        As you know, I would venture to say the thief spent no time in purgatory at all, since purgatory does not exist. But I agree with you, time is earth spinning and moving around the sun (I think like a cpu programmer) and nothing more – it exists only to mankind, and only on earth.

        You will never-ever be forgiven for the unforgivable sin, yet I will give you, this verse does sort of suggest that you can be forgiven in a different age for other sins. What age it is? I can honestly say I don’t know. It could be that blaspheming the Holy Spirit (whatever that exactly means) will not be forgiven in this age or the kingdom age (reign of Christ), or it could be, as you are implying, that we can be forgiven in the afterlife for some sins. Is that what He is saying, or is He saying something along the lines of You will “never-ever” be forgiven – sort of like “verily verily”. I cannot dispute that it isn’t saying you can be forgiven in the afterlife in this verse, but where else does it reference it in the Bible?

        I don’t get what you’re saying with the “he will suffer loss” verse.

        Any Christians soul has been cleansed by the blood of Jesus, therefore they can enter heaven – they are a new creation.

        4. That is not how the Catholic church was born…lol. Constantine birthed the Catholic Church when he seen the vision of the cross that said “rule by this”. There were 7 different churches in Asia minor, a church in Rome, a church in Jerusalem. and who knows how many others, all by the the end of the first apostles lives. Not one of them was Catholic. Each of them had different elders (bishops if you will), they all had different beliefs and levels of servitude (as can be seen by at least the letters to the 7 churches in Revelation, as well as the letters from Paul)

        Again, the Catholic Church may have their list of Popes, it doesn’t mean that Peter fancied himself part of their cause (which didn’t come around til much later). Peter was part of the Church, which consisted of many different forms of believers, with many different customs and beliefs – there was never one singular church hierarchy – there was a common thread – saved by Jesus and grace alone. Notice the disputes between the Jewish and Gentile Christians in the NT? Not much different than the disputes we have. Do I need to get circumcised for forgiveness of sins?

        Where, oh where, does it say that Mary was sinless? And Jesus was totally human – fully God and fully man, so being human didn’t nullify you from sacrificing yourself for our sins. The main point of the sacrifice was that it had to be “without blemish”, so if Mary was sinless, she could have died for our sins.

        5. As far as where the Pope has spoken in error…. Licet ad capiendos. Not to act as though I am more educated than I am, I got that from here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_papal_bulls). But when I look through most of those, I see that the majority of them are political – including the crusades. Many of them are antisemitical. The Holy See acts no different than any other government. It lurks where the money is, no wonder they’re the largest land owner in the entire world and fought like a thousand year war. The Holy See is a member of the U.N. according to the U.N.’s membership page. The Catholic Church dominated Europe in the feudal era, which was also called the “dark ages” – go figure.

        6. December 25th happens to be Mithras’ birthday. A Roman cult that was around around the same time Constantine brought Christians and pagans both under his authority. The shepherds were gathered in the fields, keeping over their flocks by night. Sure sounds like a cold thing to do during the end of December.

        • AnthonyM

          1.) I lost track of 1, but how are your sins forgiven? You don’t follow the rules of the Church Christ founded. You seem to have your own man-made tradition on how to relate to God. So that’s a little risky if you ask me.

          2.) So baptism by fire, that is a new to me. Another commenter here that makes similar claims, but says baptism in the Spirit is all that is needed. This is the problem with 40,000 plus Protestant denominations of differing beliefs. For water baptism to be valid the person must be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. This is the Trinitarian nature of Baptism. Jesus was baptized in water. Baptism is a sacrament. What about the sacrament of Matrimony? What about the sacrament of Annointng of the Sick. Sacraments are outward signs instituted by Christ to give grace. Why not get all the grace you can? You don’t need grace, possibly.

          4.) Constantine did not birth the Church. You are rewriting history to fit your preconceived notions. He passed a law that made it legal to be a Christian, as Christians were undergoing terrible persecution. Protestants have no history before Martin Luther in the 1500s, and so they attempt to discredit Catholic history. Christ founded a Church, and clearly gave keys, or authority to Peter. Where was your church at that time? You Jesus out to be a liar saying the Church He founded died out, or never began until Luther came along.

          Luke 1:28 And he came to her and said, “Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you!” But she was greatly troubled at the saying, and considered in her mind what sort of greeting this might be. And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. The angle addressed her by a new name ‘Full of Grace’, not her name Mary. She was preserved from son. Mary was not sinless of her own ability or worth, or effort, but sinless because of Christ death on the cross. Also Mary was not God, but human, so she could not be die for our sins for our sins. Christ was sinless of his own, and was God. You are proposing to make Mary part of the trinity, which you falsely accuse Catholics of doing. Also the old testament calls the savior to be of the priesthood in the order of Melchideseck. It happened the way it did as part of Gods plan. Not Luther plan. Protestants seem to think God should only do what they think it right and proper.

          5.) The link did not work, but that OK don’t resend it. You mentioned Licet ad capiendos. Did you read any of it? I doubt that is an example of infallibility in error. Most Magisterial teachings are ordinary. ex Cathedra statements are very rare. Sometimes only a sentence or tow in a document is infallible, not the entire document. Papal Bulls are a more dramatic way of writing, but that does not make them infallible. definitive teachings of the Magisterium that are considered to be infallible. This usually means that they explicitly state they’re defining some matter of the faith (i.e. Diety of Jesus Christ), or put forth a position as to be definitively held. Ex The Nicene Creed (adopted by the Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D.) states the faith of the Church on a very crucial point: Jesus is “of the same substance” [nature] as God the Father.

          You said some were anti-semitic. I see a pattern here, and you are probably assuming that based on a quick read of the title. Again, is your example an infallible document? Probably not.

          6.) You are saying Catholics chose Dec 25 because they secretly worship Mithras, while publicly claiming to worship Jesus? That is not going on. Frank Zindler, former editor of American Atheist Magazine raised theories about a tie between Mithras and Catholic Church in Rome.

          Other Protestants claims I have heard for Dec 25 selection include that the Romans did celebrate Saturnalia between Dec. 17 and 23, commemorating the winter solstice Dec. 23, but Christmas does not fit that time frame.

          What about the Dec. 25? Emperor Aurelian instituted “Birthday of the Unconquered Sun” in 274, therefore, after the Christian celebration of Christmas and perhaps to overshadow Christmas. Emperor Julian the Apostate (reigned 361-63), who had apostatized and wanted to return the empire to paganism, tried to suppress Christmas and ordered the celebration of the Birth of the Unconquered Sun, a decision reversed upon his death.

          St. Luke related the announcement of the birth of St. John the Baptist to his elderly parents, St. Zechariah and St. Elizabeth. St. Zechariah was a priest of the class of Abijah (Lk 1:5), the eighth class of 24 priestly classes (Neh 12:17). Each class served one week in the temple, twice a year.

          Josef Heinrich Friedlieb has established that the priestly class of Abijah would have been on duty during the second week of the Jewish month Tishri, the week of the Day of Atonement or in our calendar, between Sept. 22 and 30. While on duty, the Archangel Gabriel informed Zechariah that he and Elizabeth would have a son (Lk 1:5-24). Thereupon, they conceived John, who after presumably 40 weeks in the womb would have been born at the end of June. For this reason, we celebrate the Nativity of St. John the Baptist June 24.

          St. Luke also recorded how the Archangel Gabriel told Mary that Elizabeth was six months pregnant with John (Lk 1:36), which means the Annunciation occurred March 25, as we celebrate. Nine months from March 25, or six months from June 24, renders the birth of Christ at Dec. 25, (maybe 3-4 B.C.), our Christmas. While we don’t know for certain, that is the day the early Church Fathers celebrated, because that is when they believe Jesus was born. You have not proved that Dec 25 was chosen because C

          It isn’t cold like Minnesota at -25F, and December is when they do have their sheep flocks out in the fields.

          So that leaves you in a strange position, that you have figured out a date you prefer to celebrate Christ’s birthday, or you say Christ was not born, or you celebrate your birthday but not the Saviors. Seems odd to me.

          While we don’t know the date for absolute certainty, the important fact is that Jesus was born, and who he was, namely the Divine Son of God, the 2nd person of the Trinity.

          To me the point of conversation is not to have endless dialog going in all points of the compass. This is not a good use of resources of this web site (which I am only a guest) to refute 500 years of Protestant misinformation. Others have done that already so I’m not going to recreate what they wrote. Your authority on the Catholic Church comes from NON CATHOLICS and ANTI-CATHOLICS! That makes no sense to me. So the conversation is pointless since invented or twisted facts trump reality. If you want a serious honest answer, go to the experts, and do your own research. I have to move on.

          • The really slim shady

            I like the endless dialog, it’s sort of like we’re buddies. Like “Hey buddy, how’s your perspective today?.” But I understand, your smugness doesn’t want to let you be my buddy. That there is the problem with religion, and the reason we are saved by grace, and not by works – LEST ANYONE SHOULD BOAST.

            1) I am saved by Christ and His grace alone. I became saved when I believed in my heart the testimony of Jesus, came to God to repent for my sins, and was subsequently baptized through fire (removal of former sins, purging of the heart), and filled with the Holy Spirit (the helper that comes and lives with us forever). The other commenter you mentioned is saying essentially the same thing as me – we’re just saying it different ways. You could argue that it is the Holy Spirit Himself is the one who “baptizes us with fire” while He is cleaning house – therefore we’re Spritually Baptized.
            You think you are saved because you follow the “rules of the Church
            Christ founded”. The purpose of Christ is to know Christ, not the rules
            of “His” Church. You can know His will perfectly, it’s called The Word
            of God – He wrote it down for me, so you’re right, I don’t follow many of the rules of your church or any other church. I don’t follow many of the rules of Judaism either. You’ve nailed it on the head – I do have my own tradition on How to relate to God, as does everybody in the entire world. Your interpretation is you need the Roman Church, mine is we become The Church. I believe my interpretation of the Bible is accurate, as do you. Doesn’t it matter most that we’re both actively trying to please God – the True God.

            2) I made mention about the other commenter in 1, but I’d like to finish the thought. The problem IS the denominations in general (not solely Protestants). As we all belong to the Body of Christ, we should be able to interchangeably visit any of the churches. However, human tradition, and the urge for them to feel superior to others, has caused man to form these different denominations. You feel smugness towards Protestants because you are a Catholic, and feel superior to them – The same way as Democrats vs Republicans, or any other political rivalry.
            I tell you, I don’t care about Catholic or Protestant, or Anglican, Orthodox, or any other. We are all personally accountable to Christ, it matters not our denomination to Him – just here among men.
            It’s U n’ I in unity!

            4) Constantine was the emperor reigning, who summoned the Council of Nicea – He essentially built The Roman Catholic and used it to help rule the masses. This is the very reason that the RCC is so very Roman, and has so many pagan Roman references in it – because it is a religious political system built as a conglomeration of many different people, to rule many different people.
            All the Protestant faiths have the same exact history as your own church does, they just branched out from it in the 1500s – it is called the REFORMation. It is a religious system of order – just as your own. I personally do not follow any denomination, I follow the view that we are all “The Church”, the Bride of Christ, and therefore “my church” has been around since Christ founded the apostles – as we are one in the same faith.
            As you do with your scripture verses, you’re obviously reading things I am not saying into the words I’ve actually said. I never said the Church Christ built died out or didn’t start until the Reformation. I’ll keep repeating it, anyone who truly has become saved is a member of “The Church” as well as a “Saint”.
            So you get that Mary was sinless because she was labeled “full of grace”? As in she had a full amount and couldn’t receive anymore grace even if she tried?The way you describe her as becoming sinless is the same way any of us become sinless – Jesus’ death and resurrection. She was nothing more than the most blessed woman in history (she alone had the privilege of birthing the Son of God), and obviously someone we’ll meet one day in Heaven. Sitting at the right hand of Christ? I doubt it, see the description of the throne room of God in Revelation.

            5) The link was to Wikipedia, not like I sent you some kind of evil heretical Protestant propaganda, calm down…lol
            I didn’t have to read the bull to know that giving the order for the Inquisition was not a Godly call (Side note, it’s funny it’s called a Papal bull)
            So you’re saying that some of the words can be infallible and some are not? That’s got to be hard to determine which ones are legit.
            Or, you can do as the Bible says, and test every spirit whether they are from God. You don’t have to be a theologian to find the many faults of people of the Holy See, or the Holy See itself. That’s what you’ll get with corrupt political leaders, these guys are just worse because they declare their positions to be God-ordained because they “cannot err”.
            Because God want’s you to torture “heretics”, because the infallible pope said so. “Heretic” sounds a lot like “Infidel”.
            Not one part of the Catholic Church is infallible, it has fallen many times. And even “a little leaven leavens the whole lump”.
            The keys of the kingdom were not given solely to Peter, as I stated before He isn’t even mentioned in that verse. Also, there’s the whole petra/petros argument – where Christ used a play on words, instead saying He was going to build the Church on The Rock – the Stone the builders rejected.

            6) I’m saying Christians celebrate Christmas Dec 25th because the Romans of the time were already celebrating a birthday around the time of Passover, and they slapped a new name on it so they could include the pagans into the fold. Same with Isthar/Easter being just a spring fertility festival that was already in practice.
            Not sure what the John the Baptist thing has anything to do with it, but it was interesting to read.
            The apostles most certainly didn’t celebrate Christmas or Easter, or all saints day, or any other day your church has commemorated. They did celebrate Passover, Rosh Hashanah, Sukkoth, etc. These celebrations were ordained by God Himself, and instituted all the way back at the beginning of His religion. Not to mention, all of these celebrations represent events – such as the birth of Christ.
            The Catholics have changed the calendar, how can they know when any day is, they don’t even know what day the Sabbath is! It’s interesting that the Bible specifically says REMEMBER the Sabbath day – sorta like we forgot at some point.
            Holidays are fun things, but most of ours have been created by men. I am more interested in the ones God instituted, as they have an actual meaning.

            P.S. My view of the Catholic Church comes from many avenues. I observe many things and use my reasoning to decipher fact from fiction. I don’t always get it right, and often find I have to alter my viewpoint.
            But the moral of my story, that man can go directly to God, and therefore does not need the RCC for salvation stands firm. If we have truly been washed in the blood of the Lamb we are saved already, and we should celebrate that. Until you realize how great the love of God is you are doomed to be snobby and smug. You are no different than a Pharisee in reality – think you earn merit based on the observation of your religious laws – when in reality your righteousness is like filthy rags, the same as anybody else. You’re still a worthless sinner even with your sacraments. Good thing for you (and me) Christ died to save us from our worthless selves.
            It is Christ alone who saves us, it is Christ alone who forgives us, Christ alone that has paid our penalty so He could bring us unto Himself. Christ is the Rock, and on that Rock I’ll gladly stand. Peter may be a pebble, but he can never become the Rock – even if he does declare himself as the Vicar of Christ.
            Practice your religion, I wouldn’t want to take that from you. Myself, I am going to enjoy the freedom Christ has died to let me have, thank you for your time.

      • The really slim shady

        Sorry I accidently pressed post.
        The Bible does tell us the day Jesus was born. It most certainly wasn’t December 25.
        “Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore
        and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there
        will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’ It will be rebuilt with
        streets and a trench, but in times of trouble” Daniel 9:25
        Because I do not personally know when He was born, I tried looking it up. I found lots of different answers, but something interesting I found here (http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/when-was-jesus-born/).
        The Jewish Holy days represent the life of Christ, so does the real zodiac coincidentally, but probably He was born during one of these days, much like he raised during one of these days – and is probably going to come back around the feast of trumpets (the last trump)
        Easter replaced the Passover in the Catholic Church, which was a God-given Holy day, not a church decreed one. The Assyrian queen of heaven was called Ishtar, and the celebration of Easter is just another fertility celebration. I know many Christians are not celebrating paganism on these days, much the same way Christian kids who trick or treat are not being demon worshipers, but these actual “holy days” were merged with pagan holidays to appease the masses in the Roman Empire. Constantine was not only the leader of Christendom but also paganism at this time and he desired to rule all of the kingdom.
        I looked it up, the god who was missing his phallus was Osiris. (I don’t know Babylonian religion like the back of my hand). Osiris was married to Isis, Set was jealous and killed Osiris. Isis found out and looked for Osiris, but Set had chopped him up into 14 pieces. Isis found all but 1 piece, his phallus (I didn’t write the story). The Egyptian obelisk represented said phallus according to their ancient religion.Look it up, I’m not making this stuff up. The question is, why is there one in the Vatican court? (why is there one in Washington DC?) Crap as you may call it, enough people believed it to hew a rock dedicated to it.
        Why are the “saints” and Jesus represented with a sun-disk (or corona) the same as Apis? Type in “Ra” into your browser, and see all the gods with halos. Ra is the sun god.
        Which brings me to a point, why are you going to trust a union of people that changed the entire calendar with dates? They don’t even know what day is the Sabbath day (It’s the last day not the first). We’re suppose to go to church on Sunday now? Why? Oh, because that’s “sun-day”! The Gregorian calendar works according to the sun, the Biblical calendar according to the moon, ever wonder why?
        The only holidays that really matter are the ones God gave us. Christmas is a farce, Easter is a farce. Is it wrong to celebrate the life/death of Christ? Absolutely not, but we’ve already got God-given dates for that. I say celebrate Passover, celebrate Rosh Hashanah, etc.”Remember the Sabbath days and keep them Holy” Why? Because these Holy days are all representing something.
        Again, not to say Catholics are pagans, just pointing out some of the obvious pagan influences in the dogma.

        I’ve never accused you or any Catholic of the worst falsehoods. We’re merely debating our differences in interpretation. Never have I condemned you, or rejected you. In fact it is you who has the presupposition that I cannot be saved because I do not observe all the rituals you do. And in fact, if I believed all those things were necessary I would defend them the same as you. I do not fault you for anything you believe.
        “Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and
        worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not
        seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind” Colossians 2:18
        I don’t understand why you would want to pursue your faith, when from my perspective life is much better being free in Christ. Yet I will not rob you of your reward. You believe whole-heartedly you are doing right, as do I, I have to believe God will bless you and I both for that. People have different tastes, that’s not a bad thing – it makes us more complete. I don’t believe anything you are doing separates you from Christ, what’s sad to me is you believe me not being Catholic does. That is the main point I am trying to make here, we are one in Christ. They will know we are Christians by our love – it’s different from the world’s love.
        Hopefully one day you can be more open minded as to the power of Christ to save sinners. As I’ve stated before, until recently I believed people who believed as you do were “wrong”. I see now that’s not the case, yet our only objective is to get close to God. Imagine if you were the only person in the world – Jesus would still have came just for you, simply because He cares for you (or me) so much He would give anything (even His life) for fellowship with us. You could say He would die to know us – and for us to know Him.
        Regardless of our disputes here on earth, all things will be made manifest, and we will be one eventually. We may as well start now. The disputes we have are not contrary to the faith (at least on my end).
        Salvation is simple, and I know that narrow is the road, but God is not willing that any should perish, therefore He made it easy enough a child could understand it, yet difficult enough an academic couldn’t understand it whatsoever.

        Honestly, I love the fact that Walid is doing the true work of God. I have been hesitating because I read on wikipedia (I know it’s not the most accurate authority) that Walid is a Catholic, and the fact that I have been sort of shunned for being a non-Catholic on this site, I have sort of been concerned this is a movement that only accepts a certain type of Christians (weird considering he’s the one that opened my eyes to this argument). Not that I wouldn’t care to help said Christians, but that I don’t agree with the divisional bigotry I was worried this site might embody. When my posts weren’t showing up for about 24 hours I was really getting into the conspiracy….lol
        I would love to give a portion of my earnings to help Walid and Co do the Lords true work, in fact it is exactly what I have been searching for. Alas, payday is coming quickly, and I shall give my small portion.

        And personally, I cannot wait to meet the Lord and give account for my life. I am definitely going to suffer much loss. I think of myself compared to Peter or Paul and my works are tiny in comparison – my sins great. But perhaps I have done enough to have a little crown to offer to Christ on that day, but just being with Him will be way better than living in this hopelessness.

        And I do say thanks to God for the Catholic Church. As many times as their people have gotten wrong, I’ll bet their people have gotten right. Many Christians came out of the Catholic Church, whether directly or indirectly. The Catholic structure help spread the Word of God into the entire world (yet it’s still up to the individual despite them going to any denomination of church) I see myself and the Catholic people as the same stock, but I see the Catholic Church as an institution of the world, that will burn up with the rest of the world before God rebuilds the world.

  • VikingCelt

    Lol! Love your ninja turtles pj’s comment.
    ; )

    • The really slim shady

      lol…I totally wasn’t lying. I got two sets of those adult one-piece pajama sets for Christmas, similar to the kind I use to wear decades ago…. and I barely want to wear anything else….lol Comfort never looked so tubular!

      • VikingCelt

        That’s great! I’ve never heard of them in adult sizes, especially one-piece. Hilarious! Now I won’t feel so bad about buying Snoopy or Bugs Bunny ones for women. Lol! But I can’t do the one piece.

  • VikingCelt

    Allah is the Arabic word for God. Even though Allah is a different deity than the God of the Bible, over the centuries after the rise of Islam, it became the de facto word for God in Arabic. There is another one, but it is rarely used any more.

  • Perry

    “There is no god but Allah; Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.”

    Doesn’t say: “There is no god but god; Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.”

    or: “There is no Allah but Allah; Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.”

    No, the name of the Muslim God is Allah. He is also Satan.

  • They did here. I read Hebrew and “Maozim” was there in the Hebrew and it “Maozim” was there in the Douay, care to refute this?

  • Alright, fair enough, you got the last word.

  • Because I read the Hebrew and saw Maozim and checked if any of the English had this. I use several translations and have no particular favorite since most of the time I go directly to the Hebrew.