The Amtrak Crash: Why The FBI Lied And Why It Is No Freak Accident Lending The Possibility Of A Terror Attack

By Walid Shoebat

When the tragic Amtrak crash happened, initially, the media and the FBI reported that foul play or terrorism was ruled out. When this misinformation came out on the 13th of this month, Shoebat.com reported on the same day, that such reports are not likely accurate, and that foul play or terrorism cannot be ruled out:

Just before Tuesday’s deadly Amtrak derailment, at about 9:25 p.m, Tuesday, SEPTA’s northbound Train 769, en route to Trenton on tracks on the Northeast Corridor beside the Amtrak rails, was struck by “an unknown projectile” that broke the engineer’s window, SEPTA spokeswoman Jerri Williams said.

Strange that about three minutes later and four miles away, near Frankford Junction, Amtrak’s northbound Train 188 derailed on the Northeast Corridor tracks, killing at least six and injuring scores.

Two trains, separate incidents within three minutes from each other and both incidents caused damage on the engineer’s window (one confirmed due to a projectile) which now some photos surfaced of the Amtrak crash also showing signs of engineer’s window shatter. Whether this is another projectile or was caused by the crash is unknown, but what is known is that both incidents were either coordinated around the same time with damage to the engineer’s window. Were these simply due to accidents? One is not. But this new revelation begins to lessen the possibility that chance was involved and that foul play becomes a possibility.

Shoebat.com stated this 5 days before the news came out confirming our suspicion. But this was not only of two incidents, but three confirmed “projectile story”. It then becomes probable that what we are dealing with is a coordinated attack:

The FBI is looking into whether there is any link between three different trains that were all apparently hit by objects just a few miles apart, within a few minutes, the night of the deadly Amtrak derailment.

Prior to these reports, Shoebat.com even provided photos of the Amtrak train showing that a projectile also have hit the derailed Amtrak train:

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Tweeted photos of the derailed Amtrak

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Photo of the derailed Amtrak Train 188

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Photo of the derailed Amtrak Train 188. Notice the concentric circles due to projectiles.

The SEPTA incident which is a confirmed projectile also shows a similar concentric window shatter, a confirmed “projectile”:

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The third train was “another Amtrak train, a southbound Acela train that was apparently hit in a passenger window” as ABC reported. The SEPTA “train personnel believed someone had shot at them” which “Philadelphia transit police dispatchers can be heard on scanner audio from Tuesday night, warning that a commuter train may have been shot at.”

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Amtrak and SEPTA windows with apparent holes and a concentrated shatter due to projectile

Such concentrated shatter holes are not easily formed by flying debris. Train driver windows are 223 Type 1 standard windows which have “minimum requirements for glazing materials in order to protect railroad employees and railroad passengers from injury as a result of objects striking the windows of locomotives”.

The driver’s window are not the same as the side windows of passenger trains which must meet Type II standards. According to federal standards, the driver windows need to have glazing that will withstand a 40 grain .22 caliber bullet travelling at 960 feet per second, or a 24 lb cinderblock travelling at 44 feet per second.

debris are unlikely to have caused such damage. From the Amtrak driver photo one can see what seems like a possible bullet size hole which may rule out that such “projectile” was a rock.

One could argue that the derailment shattered the Amtrak train’s windshield, but this was rejected by Robert L. Sumwalt, the safety board official who is leading the investigation said “there were concentric circles on the lower left corner of the glass.” Concentrated circles are not caused by a crash trauma, but by a projectile.

The NTSB said that the second Amtrak train (third incident) — this one headed south — that had a window shattered in the same area around the same time. NBC reported that “on southbound Amtrak Acela 2173 and nearing the Philadelphia 30th Street Station around 9:20 p.m. when he was jolted by the sound of an object hitting and shattering the window of his train car.”

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Window damage from Amtrak Acela 2173

The ‘projectile’ be it a “rock” or a “bullet” does not eliminate an act of terrorism and three trains being hit at the same time with such projectiles minimizes the possibility of a mere “accident”. Rocks, as some might laugh this off, are used by desperate terrorists, and if in doubt try living in Israel.

As far as the crash, indeed it is likely to have been caused by speeding. But such a scenario as a projectile hitting the engineer’s window could easily distract the engineer at the worst time while the conductor notices the curve when it was too late and applies the brakes sending the train off the tracks. The other scenario was that the engineer fell forward against the throttle, and then reacted too late.

Such scenario cannot be ruled out. Mark Rosenker, a former N.T.S.B. chairman, said the impact from a thrown object could have affected the engineer and led to the crash.

“He could have been startled to a point of distraction to lose situational awareness and forget that he was supposed to slow down instead of accelerating,” Mr. Rosenker said in an interview Friday.

Karl Edler, a retired engineer who drove the line hundreds of times, said an impact could help explain the wreck. When a train pulls out of the North Philadelphia station, the engineer usually twists the throttle “up to notch eight, which is engineer-speak for wide open,” he said.

It is about three miles to the curve where Amtrak 188 derailed.

“Usually, you just leave the throttle open until you get up to 80 miles per hour, then put on the brake for the curve,” he said. “Seems reasonable that something happened right about that time he would have started slowing down that kept him from taking the throttle off. He was startled by the impact or whatever. And by the time he realized it, it was too late.”

While the Amtrak conductor does not have recollection (perhaps due to memory loss), The New York Times reported that “Robert L. Sumwalt, the safety board official who is leading the investigation, said an assistant conductor had reported that she believed she heard a radio transmission in which an engineer on a regional line said his train had been struck by a projectile and the engineer on the Amtrak train replied that his had been struck, too.” But this report was rejected later as no such transmission was heard from the recordings. This would mean that the engineer on the crashed train never reported a projectile hitting his window, even though the evidence shows an impact that could only be caused by a projectile.

While the possibilities of an attack of some sort is high, it being a terror attack, begs the question: why has no terrorist group made any claims? Usually terrorist groups, especially ISIS sympathizers, take pride in such a successful mission as derailing an American train.

Railroads have been the target of terrorists in the past. The FBI on Friday announced a $310,000 reward for information that would lead to the arrests of people responsible for derailing an Amtrak train in Palo Verde, Arizona in October 1995. There were 258 passengers on board, and the crash caused the death of Amtrak employee Mitchell Bates. The $310,000 reward was being provided by the FBI, Amtrak, and the Maricopa County Attorney’s Office. Notes signed “Sons of Gestapo” were found along the site, and authorities at the time discovered railroad spikes had been removed prior to the crash. There has been no information about who the Sons of Gestapo were in two decades.

Yet there is no such claim from anyone regarding this latest incident. So the mystery thickens, but what is becoming certain is that foul play is a likely possibility, as we stated prior to the news just from a simple observation of the windows. The chances of more than one incident around roughly the same time, sets a higher probability for an attack and foul play rather than the media’s initial “accident” claim and the FBI’s “no terrorism” claim. This becomes especially concerning when we have three incidents, not one.

While the FBI ruled out terrorism, the question that begs an answer is: how could the FBI rule out such a scenario before the investigation is completed? This makes zero sense. This lends another possibility for the FBI’s initial claim, that is, they did not want to alarm the public, lest all transportation systems comes to a screeching halt.

Wisdom says, its always code red, especially when they say its code orange, since code red is usually set after an attack and rarely just prior to an attack. Being somewhat paranoid when traveling is a healthy dose of reality.

 

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  • susan

    Lone wolves, organized trial runs and the perfect day. Thank you for reporting all the information.

  • Julie

    It appears….how much Americans need to turn to the Lord.

    • Willing to die for Jesus

      Yes because I am sick and tired of liberal Americans (and Europeans) spreading (and normalizing) the filth of homosexuality, abortion, infanticide, euthanasia in the form of ‘mercy killing’, and the love of Islamism all over the world. Seriously I used to love America over my own country of Australia! I can’t say that anymore, it is becoming as bad as Western Europe. It has strayed so much. I fear we will be forced to accept “gay marriages” in Australia because of the US which we copy in every sense of the word. I share the sentiments of critical Americans in here who despise the direction your nation has headed – it has perverted the meaning of “democracy” and “human rights” and “Europeanized” in the Brussels EU sense of forcing gay parades and “marriages” (and abortion too, like in Poland and Ireland, many South American countries) on many unwilling nations. It is trying to do this to RUSSIA – which doesn’t want it and many former “Iron Curtain” countries which are MORE CHRISTIAN AND CATHOLIC than the “free Western” countries. Scotland has basically now become Apostate – their Church of Scotland has sanctified evil – so lots of problems there. This really is a European issue. I think it might have something to do with European-origin (Westen European especially – Slavic peoples don’t have this liberal infection whether Polish, Western Slavic, South, Eastern.) The real fear in the future will be the Euthanasia-pushing people as the older population grows and the self-aborting European have nobody but themselves to blame.
      Remember to keep Ireland in your prayers as the Gay Agenda pushing people are trying to force “Gay Marriage” by “popular vote”. It will be shocking for all Christians there, including the Catholic Church.

      • Julie

        Agree..you are seeing the public face…but in day to day conversations with people…we are all seeing how corrupt our government is and how it is not really helping our people but making us be the ones who have to live with all the consequences.

      • eassa

        The US is divided, there is a great battle going on for the soul of the nation. People have to self-educate about our nation and world history because our education system is so poor, true history has been taken out of the schools for 3 generations. Many people are going to great lengths to save this nation.
        Don’t give up on us and please don’t discourage those who love this nation and understand what it means to our nation and the world if the progressives win this battle. You will not see much at all, in the news anywhere about those of us who have been working diligently to save our nation.
        You might like to check out Hillsdale College and take some online courses that are free. It is fun and you can learn a great deal about America and see the good men and women involved in our struggle to regain our freedom. Plus, you can earn a little diplomia from Hillsdale if you take the tests after each lecture. 🙂
        I have prayed the Walid Shoebat is right and that the US will stand agaisnt the anti-christ and with Israel. We will know the answer to this by the next election.
        Check out this short video about the Remant, which we all want to be a part of!

        • Willing to die for Jesus

          Thank you eassa for your reply to me. I am constantly praying that the US returns to its roots (even though it looks so dark politically and socio-culturally). Please don’t feel I get some satisfaction or revel in the downfall of the US. Not at all. It was good when the US was under previous administration (every foreign policy decision seems to be almost a calculated misjudgment almost in a way to bring about the end times because the chaos instigated by the US certainly wins it no favors with people globally) but I know the rot started as early as the Reagan admin with the neo-cons (conservative liars, wolves in sheep’s clothing, ie, RINOs. Please don’t consider my critical criticism as “anti-Ameicanism” and don’t get offended by the fact that as an “outsider” I am not allowed to comment about US foreign and domestic policy it exports (which is wrong, the US through globalization is spreading Americanization which is why a lot of countries who shut down US embassies or try to confront the US are targeted) I am not Anti-American, I know your country is held captive by its unGodly Muslim president espousing the most sickening ideology (and trying to secularize your once proud nation to more of a Western European model).
          I entirely understand the Left has hi-jacked the US education system – I worked in the tertiary education system, they are all made up of Communists everywhere in the West and beyond. But there is certainly more “patriotism” in the US than there is in Western Europe that is the future of the US, eg, mass Islamization bringing in Somali filth that have no need to be in the US – they could easily be sent to one of the many Muslim countries.
          However, a lot of “End times” people seem to have given up. (These are mainly US-Southern evangelical types and Protestant-evangelicals.) They have open told me to not start a family, I am 32 and they were saying it might not be just a bad idea not to start a family. I do think a nuclear war is very likely but I don’t like this hypothesizing of End Times because it is dangerous, leads people to error as it has so many times before. Having said that, it is hard to not see the US being tested so much and basically taking down the whole world if it crumbles out of a wicked form of “everybody loses”. I’m not defeatist, I am cynical by nature, but try to be optimistic but not too hopeful. I place my faith and trust in Jesus Christ Almighty, Crucified for the sins of All humanity, and Risen and Resurrected to show us that He conquered sin on the Blessed Cross.
          Thank you for providing this material. I will look into it. There is no time like ours right now to be united as conservative (traditional) Trinitarian Christians – I hate having to spell that out because liberal Apostate Churches have defamed the word “Christian”. It annoys me and they are non-Christian pagan heretics at best and possibly Satanists worshipping the Enemy having swallowed a lot of the lies of Lucifer who certainly knows how to trick God’s creation (us).
          I hope that I have not offended you in this message – it is never my intention but I can be upfront and brash. It is the side effect of fighting culture wars. The last thing I want to do is be in argument with fellow Christian brethren.
          Thank you again again for sending me this material. I am open to fellowship for all Christians as I explained.
          God bless you in Christ.

          • eassa

            Nice to hear from you. I am not offended. It is a challenge to understand culture and current events going on in other nations, news media doesn’t paint a very clear pictures for the world.
            Glad we have Walid Shoebat. The first time I heard him was on Dr Michael Brown’s program. The first hour of the program Brown interviewed a woman, Brigitte Gabriel, who I also like very much. I went online and listened to both of these people and learned a great deal.
            I have listened to a many of Walid’s lectures and send them to my friends.
            I go to a church that is interested in the end times and eternity, so when I found Shoebat, I was excited to share him with friends. Our church is known as IHOP, International House of Prayer and FCF, which means Forerunner Christian Fellowship.
            There is an event hosted by IHOP called OneThing. We have guest speakers and people come from around the world for this event. I sent a note to one IHOP department with the suggestion that one year we invite Walid Shoebat to speak. That would be great. I would love to have Ravi Zacharias, Shoebat, the Waldo (sp?) Brothers and even Phil Robertson speak at OneThing, that would be four very interesting guests! Who knows?
            Our preacher, Mike Bickle is leaving for an event in Armeania in 2 or 3 weeks. I think he said that 3 other leaders from Ihop are going with him.

          • eassa

            PS. Today I listened to the 8th lecture on the Federalist Papers online at Hillsdale. Usually I miss one question on the quiz and usually because I read the question wrong. Today I read all the questions carefully and go a perfect score.
            Goodnight from Kansas.

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            I am glad to hear this. I taught a student from KS a few semesters back. I pray the Lord strenghtens your faith in this course. I am glad you are doing well in this course. Praise be to God Almighty, our Heavenly Father, Lord Jesus Christ, our Crucified and Risen Savior.

  • AnthonyM

    The train was going 100 mph on a 50 mph curve, that is why it derailed. It takes a very long time to slow down a train. Was the engineer asleep? Was the Deadman switch defeated? Where are the Black Boxes, or camera monitoring the engineer and systems?

    Reminds me of the recent story where a disgruntled security passenger connected to a data port, and logged in using default ID and password of the airplane system while it was in flight, and changed the flight pattern of the airplane, while it was flying! People do not think enough about security measures.

  • Jeff Benton

    Yo Walid,
    Off topic…
    Did ya get a look at this?

    Might be a story in there somewhere 🙂 🙂

    • I did. Thank you. It seems that in our days, that breaking the law is much overlooked and Hillary is a symbol of such lawlessness. It is not only the email records, but her work in the Istanbul Process in which she wanted to negatively influence our freedom of speech with the issue of exposing Islamic fundamentalists.

      • Jeff Benton

        Well shoot… Had to google (Start Page) The Istanbul Process…
        Now there is a whole can of worms ay?
        https://www.startpage.com/do/search

        American Thinker was the 3rd article I read on it…
        http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2013/11/the_state_department_should_leave_the_istanbul_process.html

        The other two didnt have very much info But American Thinker got right to the meat of the efforts of Clinton and her muslim cohorts…. The very wording they are trying to use could easily lead to arrests of peeps who spoke out against Islam since it could insight muslims to violence…

        Thanks for pointing that out Mr Shoebat!!!

        As usual, your efforts bring light to the darkness in men and women in office…

      • knight

        I do not trust our governments that has given Islam a free hand and look at the mess our countries are in.

        Rape a big issue in Scandinavia, and into many other countries as Sharia is pushed to control areas within a country. How young females are taken into slavery and prostitution that many prostitutes are run by Muslims.

        The continual flow of refugees flooding the West under the protection of the UN.

        Worst is how I heard how Obama only allows Muslims in and blocks persecuted Christians entering the USA. What other countries follow suit.

        How Halal Certification has taken over our food industries. Our businesses taken over in areas to push the Islam doctrine, such as publishers that print school books that promote Islam and hate to our young that grow up to accept Islam..

        Multiculure has failed, let gangs into run slavery in the food industry as recently reported in Australia and I would say probably tied to Islam

        The list goes on.

  • Julie

    Thank you for your input. Appreciate it.

  • richinnameonly

    My thought at this time is thugs (can we use that now “politically incorrect” term?) throwing big rocks to get a thrill and bragging rights. My fear is repetition of the same by more thugs or terrorists because it seems it can be so easily done. When I was a kid all we did at the RR tracks was put pennies for the train to run over and flatten. Made them look weird.

    • These were the good old days richinnameonly, were our ideas was not to deface Abe Lincoln, but as you said, it made them look weird. But today, we have maniacs who do not mind defacing everything, including the very creation made in the image of God and they have no remorse about it.

  • I was just thinking the other day that once terror attacks begin in this country, thanks to the unsecured mexican border, it will probably be a slow burn until massive attacks. They will want AMERICANS to continue to live in oblivious denial for a time…until they go super-hot.

  • Article answers that question…

  • Thank you Joseph and I much appreciate your input. I just wondered your thought on the concentrated shattered bows on the window and if you would think a rock or a bullet caused them. It is probably an unfair question since the answer might be speculative.

    • knight

      I want to know why three trains with shattered windows all in close proximity and then the disaster.

  • Your welcome Countryflowers, I had kicked myself in the past for certain mistakes I made. One of them was that I had thought the Houthis in Yemen and Saudis will settle this issue soon, but I should have known better, the Arab world harbors hatred for years to come and the way of peace, they know not.

    • knight

      We all make mistakes, we are only human.

    • Grandmere

      At least you’re thinking, Chef. That’s more than I can say for most people. Thanks for all your hard work.

  • DeusLoVult

    It was definitely an attack. Whoever carried it out, was most certainly inspired by Palo Verde derailment in 95.

    • Willing to die for Jesus

      The abortion thread is getting heated all the time.. I accidentally posted TWICE to a PRO-LIFE PERSON!!!! I was called out (but in Christian compassion) that I made an error by somebody else.

      • DeusLoVult

        Calm yourself, my brother.

        • Willing to die for Jesus

          I think I may have responded to each now. How are you what are you doing today? etc etc etc

          • DeusLoVult

            I think so too. Please, relax. Do not get so worked up.

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            Where are you I have lost you…there’s a scary, either (forgive me if I’m wrong) “White extremist” or just an albino.. if you see his avatar picture…. a person who goes by jumbojimbo

          • DeusLoVult

            I am here.

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            did you see the white ext…. told you his name in above post ^^^^

          • DeusLoVult

            No.

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            that thread which we basically chatted on like MSN (which I don’t know if it still exists.. “chatting online” is so early 2000s for me… what chatting software do they do now? is it still MSN something? or disqus? I don’t know how I could be back into this (I was addicted to online at one stage early in my university years… it’s gonna reach over 400 with abortion taking up so much room

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            i have an “addictive personality”…. anyway… seems like everyone’s got a view.. they can’t just leave…

          • DeusLoVult

            True enough.

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            so ever been to a pro-life rally? or is your town so clean it doesn’t have this big city filth?

          • DeusLoVult

            My town is clean. We don’t have an abortion doctor, that I am aware of.

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            Julie is so knowledgeable… she directed me to a “Hebrew Catholic” association…

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            speaking of another topic^^

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            i was called “Jew hater” AGAIN! Stephen Dalton apparently while Catholic was espousing “replacement theology” which isn’t in the catechism

          • DeusLoVult

            You seemed to have been siding with him.

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            so what… then we had to say the Mosaic Law argument is “open”… can’t say for sure…. Jews can’t have it their way.. have to be more open minded, not so closed on the issue…

          • DeusLoVult

            Well, I stand by my argument.

          • DeusLoVult

            Yes, that lady is very intelligent. I like her.

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            i think she advises lay professionals… health care workers i think.. nurses, doctors, hospital workers, hospital chaplains….

          • DeusLoVult

            Yes, I believe you are right. She works with a Church though, I believe.

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            if you go to that thread I’m accused straight up I think! can you check if that’s so for you please…
            http://shoebat.com/2015/05/16/pope-francis-welcomes-palestinian-supporter-of-terrorism-to-the-vatican/

          • DeusLoVult

            Very well, I still have the tab pulled up. What would you like me to check?

          • Willing to die for Jesus
          • DeusLoVult

            Are you asking if someone’s accused me of anti-Semitism?

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            read what i wrote….i asked if you could see what are the first comments that apppear.. i know you can have different views.. there is a “disqus” view and an article view.. for want of a better description… do it either way… i think the latter shows them in order, rather than “latest first”

          • DeusLoVult

            Yep. It’s the same for me.

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            meaning what?

          • DeusLoVult

            Meaning it’s right there at the top.

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            and it’s not in that “tree” order that we’re in now.. the “disqus” view for want of whatever the terms are…the link i gave you was a non-disqus URL… cf to this one

          • DeusLoVult

            Why do you care where it is, and in what “view”?

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            in discussion mode it does make difference, i think it changes their ordering… one has more of a to-and-fro discussion format.. for people who contribute days later at the end of a list… so rather than having them in order of time one is in order of “group” or response…

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            This for example of a huge thread that we’re doing now…like tapeworm..

          • DeusLoVult

            You know, I haven’t seen Saxon since your argument with him. Did you ever get a chance to chat with him about it?

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            no.. people can re-create their accounts and all…or they might have got a life

          • DeusLoVult

            I doubt he created another account. I’m surprised that he’s still angry, if that is the reason he is not online.

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            did you see Julie call out liberal media bias on the AP story – she found out the AP’s natural anti-Catholic bias… Drudge Report is going to do a story on the lying journalist… she is also saying Shoebat is anti-Catholic (or shouldn’t be repeating articles that are false)… i suspected she might leave.. WND… also ran with the story, saying its not good to divide christians bear false witness etc… like fox with its particular bias…

          • DeusLoVult

            What is WND?

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            right wing “conservative” news outlet… like this without the “christian” bias… well it used to be more.. then secularized.. run by .. again another (born) arab christian joseph farah i still have it on disqus never go there though, has a huge following with catholic-hating southeners…llke fox minus the greenback worshipping NYers and CA-fornicators

          • DeusLoVult

            I think I’ll stick with Shoebat.

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            this is more like a “ministry” the other one is more “newsy”.. you won’t hear the word “sodomy” i would imagine at WND anymore…. i haven’t been though… that person who msged me asking me if Ted Shoebat was banned from Youtube or google video was from KS…. maybe for an overseas perspective, because you know there are different rules re internet…. like if the gay agenda pushes for silencing of free speech online

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            He isn’t a Church.

          • DeusLoVult

            No kidding. But he teaches far more than any Church I’ve ever attended.

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            i can see why Julie got worried, if people are using this site not as news but as “church” information… i’m not gonna say but it does pander to a certain type which is why i only see Southerners in here lol… i haven’t seen one from anywhere past probably the mid-Atlantic… Eric… OH/ PA..way.. nobody from DC, or NY that I know of…

          • DeusLoVult

            Well, are you going to disagree?

          • DeusLoVult

            Do you attend your Church?

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            I try to go at least once a month. I used to go more regularly, I used to even go twice, then it sort of trickled…you?

          • DeusLoVult

            I haven’t been in a year a least. Probably double that.

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            you have time. I thought it would’ve been a southern thing to do a sunday church service of some kind.. your parents aren’t divorced are they? you said they are both divorcees but are they currently married?

          • DeusLoVult

            Yes they are married. We tried at least five Churches, but couldn’t find one that we liked. Maybe I’ll ask about going to the Catholic Church.

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            I dunno, are they open minded or do they have this Southern mentality I see ….

          • DeusLoVult

            They don’t hate the Catholic Church, but neither one, like me, are fond of Francis.

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            “personality cults”… following a political or religious group based on the leader…

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            it’s such an “independent” “american” spirit… so “individual rights”..”autonomous”….

          • DeusLoVult

            Well, there aren’t any Catholic doctrines, other than purgatory, that I take issue with, at least so far as I am aware. Where in the Bible did they derive purgatory?

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            i dont know either… but there is praying for the dead in BOTH the Catholic and Orthodox Churches… I think the Orthodox call it “having fallen asleep [in the Lord]”… not sure about the brackets… we also pray for non-christians and people outside the church.. both group… hence we get accused by the “confessional” groups (ie, confess Christ as personal-savior) evangelical Christians as not-Christian… but Jesus Himself said that He wouldn’t recognize all those who called Him Father (but this could be more for lukewarm Christians…obviously having Jesus “on your side” helps with the Heavenly Father at whom Jesus sits on the right-hand side, BUT knowing it is His – God’s – Kingdom, where cannot be certain that God will condemn people to H*ll so we still pray for “lost souls”… I try not to think about this difficult area so much… you don’t have a burying traditional so I couldn’t talk to you about graves… but basically this is one that Protestants of the types above have issue;;;but then go and commit the worst heresies and cry “end times” when they have separated themselves atomically….like those Russian dolls that pop up within one another…

          • DeusLoVult

            Back when I lived in Mercer, TN, (small town pop. 184) I attended our little Baptist Church every Sunday.

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            what happened – did they change Pastors that weren’t in line with your feelings? (I understand this, you do have to “click” with the minister or prayer leader involved…

          • DeusLoVult

            We moved…..back to MS.

          • Grandmere

            World News Daily, I think. I don’t go there unless someone postsa link

          • DeusLoVult

            Thank you, my lady.

          • DeusLoVult

            I checked his account. It’s locked though, so I can’t tell if he’s posted anything since.

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            LOSERS… people who aren’t transparent.

          • DeusLoVult

            It does make it seem like they have something to hide.

          • Grandmere

            Please be at peace. I told you Saxon is cool. He’s not in here everyday. I guarantee you he’s not still thinking about this.

          • DeusLoVult

            Have you seen him recently, my lady?

          • Grandmere

            I think he comes in about once a week or so. I hope we can get Willing to calm down. Sounds like he is into too many blogs/threads at the moment. That can get confusing and stressful. My internet connection is acting up this afternoon. Be patient guys.

          • DeusLoVult

            Yes, he does need to calm himself. That’s what I’ve been attempting to explain to him all day, my lady. He doesn’t seem to want to listen. Also, it’s 4:00 a.m. in Australia, so he’s been up all night commenting.

          • Grandmere

            That’s not good. He must be exhausted. Too much pressure. Maybe we can get him to pare it down to two or three favorites.

          • DeusLoVult

            With all of the commenting he does on this website, my lady, I’m surprised he has time for any other. He’s seems to be in a habit of staying up all day and night.

          • Grandmere

            I know he and I got off to a rocky start. As you can tell, I am a straight shooter. But I think he knows I care about him.

          • DeusLoVult

            He told me, (and I think he’s going to chew me out for this) that he does not believe that you like him, my lady. He believes quite the contrary.

          • Grandmere

            No need to chew you out. I saw that post. I told him I wasn’t gonna call him out again. I’m like the grandmother on “Momma’s Family”. LOL I bet he never saw that program. She was a hoot.

          • DeusLoVult

            I regret to inform you, my sweet lady, that in all my (few) years, I have never heard of a tv program by any such name. Not like the one on “Everybody Loves Raymond”? 🙂

          • Grandmere

            OMG! You Tube

          • DeusLoVult

            If it is on Youtube, my lady, I shall watch a segment later.

          • Grandmere

            Even Carol Burnett couldn’t keep a straight face. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZQxTtbNOzE

          • DeusLoVult

            Thank you, fair lady!

          • DeusLoVult

            He also has a tendency to argue with atheists, my lady, which, as I’m sure you are cognizant of, can be very upsetting.

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            another interesting lady i haven’t chatted to but seems really nice – full of the Spirit – is momprayn – she’s always saying insightful and positive things…(i haven’t spoken much or at all, but i like her commenting)

          • DeusLoVult

            Yes, I’ve seen her posts. I agree.

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            she’s from TN !

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            that suits her !

          • DeusLoVult

            Naturally, a Southern lady.

          • Grandmere

            Over 400 what? Sites? That will make a person crazy. That is too much burden for one person.

          • DeusLoVult

            On what article?

          • Grandmere

            I don’t see anything, Willing. Take a break for a few minutes. Get something to eat or drink. Go outside for a few minutes. Then come back.

  • Willing to die for Jesus

    Why would you even still watch MSM for? I cancelled my cable subscription a year or so ago. Fox is faux conservative, they support the gay agenda big time. Just note.
    God bless you.

  • knight

    Was it a act of terror or some hooligan out to see what damage he can do.

  • knight

    Why not take this curve out with a previous disaster.

  • Catbr

    There appears to be many cover ups in government especially concerning terrorism. Just a week or so ago isis was threatening that they were going to do something big in America that would frighten everyone or I think their threat was concerning the internet. Isis uses the internet to scare everyone into submission. Could these train wrecks have been it or a fore runner to something even bigger that is coming. The train wrecks are too suspicious not to be terrorism or something similar. Good coverage on this by Walid.

  • Willing to die for Jesus

    I am trying to fight heresies left right and center. I see the whole of the European origin people (Europe, N. America & Australia, I live in the latter in Sydney, Austl) as almost being bewitched – engaged in a collective suicide cult of de-populating themselves through contraception, abortion, encouraging a culture of death and not life and supporting the gay agenda. [I was so saddened to hear Ireland is pushing aggressively for gay marriages – who would’ve thought the downfall of such a holy Nation! I’m still praying this is resisted despite the propaganda.]
    HOWEVER, this isn’t happening in the rest of the world. European-origin peoples (like myself) have to take a more global view. Just because the Reformed Churches in particular have fallen away doesn’t mean all the other Christians have – hardy! – I just pray this infection that has possessed the above mentioned regions is contained (even if it means European people are extinguished – it sounds horrible but people engaging in sin cause their own downfalls, Empires crash and fall, species flourish and die, especially those engaging in infanticide like the ancient Greeks and Romans…). As a conservative Pro-Life Catholic (a tautology, others are just hi-jacking the term ‘Catholic’), I can see more globally and I have to remind people of this who are taking more of a Euro-centric approach – or if they are not personally European racially have adopted the thinking of the European peoples and their descendants in the New Worlds..
    God bless you mightily. I’m always trying to reach out to non-Christian people for Christ – for we know that He sits at the Right Hand Side of the Heavenly Father. I pray the Lord Jesus Christ our Crucified and Risen Savior bestows on you and yours great blessings. Amen.

  • knight

    Maybe they will get funding now, but at what cost so many lives wrecked.

  • Willing to die for Jesus

    I can’t disagree with you on technology… technology is certainly going to lead to the physical extinguishment of the entire world… the Nukes, there’s more of them ever… people cry about Iran getting one when Muslim Pakistan (which is more Islamo-crazy than Iran) and India already have them and can cause the rest of us nuclear-fall out. Not to mention the madness artificial reproduction sciences have led as you say to a culture of death of killing of human life, of the intentional destruction of human life (human embryos) and artificially messing wiith the human germline through genetic manipulation. Someone put it best to ‘posthuman’, ‘human immortality’ on earth God-denying types should stop trying to find ‘the fountain of youth’ when there is ALREADY ETERNITY FOUND IN ACCEPTING CHRIST.
    God bless you immensely in the name of our Crucified and Risen Savior Jesus Christ.