The Teaching On The Blood Moons Is False. The Ultimate Blood Moon Already Came Up And Nothing Happened. All Those Who Teach On The Blood Moons Are Antichrist And God Will Send Them To Hell

By Walid Shoebat and Trevor

“The heavens are God’s billboard. He’s been sending signals to Earth, and we haven’t been picking them up” says John Hagee as he lays out what he calls “celestial signals”. The biggest-deal blood moon is already past and as we said before “nothing will happen.” Why were we so confident? It is because God told us so in Isaiah 47:13-14. Here is what God said, which few forgot to quote:

“… who at the new moons make known what shall come upon you. Behold, they are like stubblethe fire consumes themthey cannot deliver themselves from the power of the flame. No coal for warming oneself is this, no fire to sit before! (Isaiah 47:13–14)

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The heavens are the devil’s billboard, not God’s to be used as “celestial signals”. The “moon turning into blood” in the Book of Revelation is not regarding planetary movements, but universal cataclysmic catastrophes where we will see the sun turn dark and the moon turn into blood and the stars falling. Has the sun turned to darkness?

It is just as Solomon warned the wise: “there is nothing new under the sun,” and therefore, as Isaiah warned, there is nothing new under the moon or the diviners who promote such things. As I post this article, the blood moon passes, confident that nothing will happen and that John Hagee, Jonathan Cahn, Mark Blitz and all the Mormon false teachers who also bought into this, will end up consumed by hell. These cannot be simply brethren who made mistakes, these according to Isaiah will never be the followers of God but are of the devil.

So where did these so-called prophecy experts go wrong? Besides that they use faulty calendars which make Christ’s first coming null-and-void, or their use of charts and mathematical calculations that were proven by scientists as false, when someone dabbles into assigning calamities based on celestial movements, they are what the Bible calls divinators. So then the conclusion, that the “heavens are God’s billboard” for prophecy is false and is of the devil. They say that these are Jews and are pro-Israel and I tell you the truth: Judas, Bar Kochba, Marks, Lenin and a multitude of Kabbalist rabbis are not of God but are of the accursed. Yet Hagee concluded:

“Two blood moons, in 2014 and 2015, point to dramatic events in the Middle East and, as a result, changes in the whole world.”

Nowhere in the Bible did God ever say that He created the movements of the celestial for a prophetic sign. God made the sun, moon and stars for His glory and to also serve man. Genesis 1:16-18:

“God made the two great lights: the greater light to govern the day, the smaller light to govern the night, and the stars. God set them in the vault of heaven to shine on the earth, to govern the day and the night and to divide light from darkness. God saw that it was good.

It was the devil who taught the Aztecs and the Kabbalist Jews to use the celestial signs for blessings and calamities. Anyone can read the Kabbalist sources and see that such red moon date-settings is exactly where this teaching stems from. Such teachings was there prior to the arrival of Messianic-rabbinic teachers selling blood moons.  These heretics, such as John Hagee, Mark Blitz, Jonathan Cahn and other Mormon authors are using nothing more than Kabbalist sorcery:

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From the Kabbalist witchcraft: “By the next full moon, … on Feb 23rd, and a Solar-Chiron conjunction on March 3rd, … This February full moon chart also features a tight t-square between Jupiter, Pluto-Venus and Uranus …In conclusion, each of these full moon charts represents incremental tightening of the gears of the grand cardinal cross that will again appear tighter … Full moon brings in a decisively golden-era 

Even pagan witches write regarding tonight’s blood moon and use the Bible:

As pagans there are plenty of productive ways we can mark this rare occurrence with excitement, awe, and introspection. The Bible warned that this will also become a phenomenon in the last days.
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The confused are unaware that Pagans also use the Bible and heretics use the name “Yashua” and “Yahweh” as evidenced from when the Israelites called on the golden calf they too invoked the name “Yahweh”. From as far back as The Recognitions of Clement (221 AD) the true church warned of exactly what we see in these modern prophetic books:

“Therefore the astrologers, being ignorant of such mysteries, think that these things [the disasters brought about when demons inspire human sin] happen by the courses of the heavenly bodies; hence also, in their answers to those who go to them and consult them as to future things, they are deceived in very many instances. Nor is it to be wondered at, for they are not prophets; but, by long practice, the authors of errors find a sort of refuge in those things by which they were deceived, and introduce certain ‘climacteric periods,’ that they may pretend a knowledge of uncertain things. For they represent these ‘climacterics’ as times of danger, in which one sometimes is destroyed, sometimes is not destroyed, not knowing that it is not the course of the stars but the operation of demons that regulates these things; and those demons, being anxious to confirm the error of astrology, deceive men to sin by mathematical calculations, so that when they suffer the punishment of sin, either by the permission of God or by legal sentence, the astrologer may seem to have spoken the truth” (The Recognitions of Clement 9:12 [A.D. 221]).

Again, there is nothing new under the sun. From the Bible itself to the warnings of the church fathers, using the celestial movements to calculate mathematical equations predicting certain climacteric periods is the teaching of demons.

The other heresy they used is Anglo-Israelism. Herbert Armstrong of the former Worldwide Church of God developed a cult by deceiving with fancy sophistry and advancement of a heresy called British-Israelism or Anglo-Israelism. It is from this heresy that they get the idea that “America is the New Israel” and that America is under judgement by God. Jonathan Cahn wrote:

“Israel was unique among the nations in that it was conceived and dedicated at its foundation for the purposes of God.” “But there was one other—a civilization also conceived and dedicated to the will of God from its conception…America. In fact, those who laid its foundations…”

When one reads Cahn saying that such a concept was derived from “those who laid its foundations,” he is definitely referring to the Puritans who exactly taught the same thing:

The Puritans’ belief that they were in a “covenant” with God framed civic life. The covenant described a contract, agreement, or special relationship with God. It is often assumed that this covenant demonstrates that New England’s Puritan founders saw themselves as the chosen people, the New Israelites. But the Puritan reformers who remained in England were also part of the chosen people. Puritans on both sides of the Atlantic believed that England was a covenanted nation bound in a special relationship with God. In fact, many Puritans left England because the nation, with all of its misguided policies and resultant problems, had failed to live up to its godly covenantal responsibilities and would continue to feel divine wrath. New England offered Puritans an opportunity to erect a godly society and thereby fulfill their part of the covenant. In turn, providential blessings—prosperity, health, peace—would be conferred on their colonies. If they failed to live up to their covenantal obligations, New Englanders invited providential afflictions: drought, Indian attacks, famine, even witches.” (Conforti, Saints and Strangers: New England in British North America, pg 54).

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Most do not understand how these heretics connect one heresy to another. It starts by claiming that the celestial is (as Hagee claims) “God’s [prophetic] billboard” then they extend Israel to the U.S. and then through the use of mathematical calculations they (as Isaiah and Clement warned), begin to announce certain omens or blessings as Cahn wrote:

“Meaning its rise or fall would be dependent on its relationship with God. If it followed His ways, America would become the most blessed, prosperous, and powerful nation on earth. From the very beginning they foretold it. And what they foretold would come true. America would rise to heights no other nation had ever known. Not that it was ever without fault or sin, but it would aspire to fulfill its calling.”

As one reads this, there is no doubt that Cahn obtained this teaching from the Puritans who caused so much calamities during the Puritan Revolution in England, causing violence and destruction as they robbed the rich making their rule one of the darkest chapters in England’s history.

Besides these major heresies, we can find so many false doctrines. Hagee believes in a dual covenant while Cahn says that Jesus died on a stake:

“Messiah, dying on an execution stake in our place …” (Cahn, The Mystery of the Shemitah, pg 250-251).

Such teaching is satanic and is done in order to denounce the Mark of God: the Holy Cross. John 20:25, we see Thomas stating that unless he can put his fingers ‘into the imprint of the nails, and put my finger into the place of the nails’ he will not believe. Notice ‘nails’, not ‘nail’. Galatians 3:1. ‘O stupid Galatians! Who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified?’ Crucified, not ‘impaled on a torture stake’.

So besides the Anglo-Israelism heresy, the method of death of Jesus is now according to Cahn was on a “stake” not a “cross” as Scriptures taught.

Heretics always will say certain correct theology, but it takes a keen eye to spot the deception. When it comes to the end of times, we need not astrology. Paul gives us the sign:

“Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things?” 2 Thessalonians 2:1-5.

We have no Antichrist, no man of sin sitting in the temple. This ends the arguments including all the calculations and mathematical gimmicks …

Notice the order that must take place before the Lord’s 2nd Coming—first, the falling away must happen, and then for the Antichrist to appear—so that the believers may be adequately prepared for the Great Tribulation to come.

But it is not only these heretics who are to be identified as such; Christian Broadcasting Network (CBN), World Net Daily, Sid Roth, Charisma, including all the pastors, interviewers that supported this, folks who exchanged such material in support of this … all these are participants and are guilty of these heresies.

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  • Smith

    Well, scripture states that no one, not even the angels know when the hour will be, they are on standby so to speak. So how can man know? Unless they are a true prophet and Deuteronomy tells us how to test them to see if they are liars or not.

    So I always ask people “who is this person with a special phone line to God that no one else is allowed to have?” They start to try and quote scriptures and I say “did you read that yourself? Or did someone translate it for you?”

    I left a church once because the pastor kept getting divine revelations and I called him out in it, mostly because I saw thru him and he told my wife that she was going to get pregnant which made her upset (personal issues I won’t get into) and I told him he had no business lying to her that he heard God’s special voice and making my beautiful wife upset.

    He said I lacked faith, I told him he lacked integrity and that despite my profane nature I won’t be in trouble for lying to his flock. Needless to say this is why I am not very popular 🙂

    • Man I hate your pastor. This is a devil is disguise. I hope you bolted out the door fast enough. These types of pastors should be burnt at the stake. Especially the ones who are always getting supposed “messages from the Lord”. I can’t understand how people can’t see through this type of junk.

      • Indian Christian Crusader

        I agree. Also to add, India and African nations are one of the top exporters of fraudulent Pentecostal pastors who keep getting “voices” from heaven and manipulating people, even influencing some flock in USA. A “famous prophet” named Sadhu Sundar Selvaraj, travels to USA yearly and proclaims doom and destruction upon the America. He claims “God tells him”, “God takes him to heaven”, “Prophets appear and speak to him in room”, “Prophets souls enter into his body and become one with him” and all sorts of evil. 80% of Indian Pentecostals being poor converts from Hinduism to Christianity are deceived by these charlatans, and often if they disagree these pastors throw them back to the Hindus to suffer. Traditional churches are only limited and often do not reach out or help people or often keep aloof.Things are in a dire situation when it comes to church issues in other parts of the world such as in Asia and Africa. Pentecostals have highjacked and destroyed Christianity.

        • Trevor

          That name you mention set off alarm bell in my mind. Is he by any chance a practicing Sufi?

          • Indian Christian Crusader

            I don’t know what he practices inwards, but he calls imself “sadhu sundar selvaraj”, of Jesus ministries, you can google him, there are youtube videos also where he comes to California every year and speaks in a church, he is hyper-active in proclaiming doom and gloom in USA, an also threatened God will destroy many nations, including the Philippines. He proclaims judgement on every nation…………except India. An Indian so called “prophet” should first speak out against the sins of his own people (Hindus) and warn India, but no, he warns every other country. Anyone who does not “agree” with him does not have the Holy Spirit, the typical Pentecostal argument. I am inside the CNI (Church of north India) anglican influenced, and sad to say half of it is slipping into Penecostal denominations.

          • Grandmere

            Not long ago we heard from an Irish man who claimed that he spoke in tongues ( while not a believer) and a few weeks later a man from India laid hands on him at a “church” meeting. Chef had to ban him eventually as the Haldol was not working.

          • Kelly ann

            Like everything else the testomonies of speaking in tongues is twisted as well.

          • Thats right Kelly ann.

          • Grandmere

            200 Anglican churches have been burned by the Hindus

          • Trevor

            Thank you for that. I did a quick search and found his “prophetic voice.”

            Here they are:

            http://www.psquare.org/press/ten-convincing-proof-that-sadhu-sundar-selvaraj-is-truly-a-prophet/

            1 – New level of the demonstration of signs and wonders in the church. WOOF, WOOF. I have to yet to see dead people coming back to life by laying of hands on the dead. False.

            2 – Angelic activity will be common place. WTH!?! I have to yet to see an angel, and I would likely give that angel the 3rd degree before believing.

            3 – Your church will be glorious. He is saying the second people enter church, they will fall on their knee and cry to be saved. I have been in many church and I have to yet to see this happen.

            4 – There will be a great increase in “revelational knowledge of God and the things of God.” WOW, WOW. Paging Johnathan Cahn….

            5 – You will see the spiritual realm. RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!

            6 – Everyone will become prophets. WOW, WOW, WOW! Paging Cahn again….

            7 – Your life is going to change. Pop psychology at its finest.

            8 – You will even see the Lord Jesus standing beside you. I would love that very, very, very much. I wanna talk with Jesus over coffee…

            9 – Expect every “common person” will say, “We saw the Lord!” The Lord warned us not to believe it.

            10 – Lastly, expect to skip the part in Acts 1:11 where the angel told the disciples: “This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.”
            That being the case, we shall probably skip the Parousia — when every
            eye sees Jesus coming from clouds of heaven with power and glory (Matthew 24:30) because this time every eye will probably see Jesus beside them already. NOPE! The 2nd Coming is more important for all of us.

            Conclusion, he is a FALSE PROPHET. And is deceiving many in India. You now know, warn your brethren.

          • Marcos Filipe Guerra

            I thought some muslims turned christian because Jesus appeared to them. Kamal Saleem, I believe is one of them. Walid knows him, I believe. This is happening in the middle east already. Oh, I see. It doesn’t fit their prophecies. My bad.

        • SwampLife2002

          I have family member who are Pentecostals, I believe this is mystism!

        • No wonder why Russia is closing its doors for this nonsense.

      • Steve Smith

        walid, you reminded me of a story my baba, told me. a young man, got several villages stired up over the end of the world. the guy set a date.
        when the day came he went to a tree,hundreds gathered round. he said that they should hang themselves he made a little speech put the rope around him and jumped, one of the old peasant said ”well now that is all over with, we can now all go home” too bad that these guys don’t fallow the same example.

  • Eric Mueller

    As September winds down, I gave some thought into one of the predicted disasters. A comet DID strike the planet. . .albeit 17 years ago and as a movie. : – D

    • Owen Schumacher

      We’re still feeling the effects today. 😉

    • Smith

      That was a bad movie….ugh..

      Edit..I mean the movie “Deep Impact”

    • The smart ones died hugging.

    • Trevor

      Hopefully you won’t be subscribing to Lyn Leahz’s comet prediction any time soon.

      • Grandmere

        It was a good ride for Lyn while it lasted. She will still rake up some advertising dough for a while.

        • Trevor

          She will continue to spread her delusion because she is the author of “Soul Deceiver,” not realizing she is a deceiver.

  • Owen Schumacher

    Great piece, as usual! Is the Clement you’re quoting the same as Clement of Rome, one of the first bishops after the Apostle Peter?

    • Julie LaBrecque

      Couldn’t be Clement of Rome (died AD 99), probably Clement of Alexandria.

  • Rjk

    I wonder what all these authors of these blood moon books are going to say now when nothing has happened. They’ll probably just move on and write about some other fantasy.

    • Julie LaBrecque

      They’ll scratch their heads a bit, will probably state that enough people prayed for God to stay His hand of judgment to explain why nothing happened.

      • Stephen Dalton

        That’s exactly the way Herbert Armstrong explained his prophecy failures.

        • Julie LaBrecque

          Wow – I know the JW’s just said they miscalculated.

          • Grandmere

            Boy, did they ever!

      • Marcos Filipe Guerra

        It’s like I said to you: “This will happen, although it might not.” Mind you, a prophet never charges a few bucks for the words God gave him. Here’s what a true prophet said:

        “Then spake Jeremiah unto all the princes and to all the people, saying, The LORD sent me to prophesy against this house and against this city all the words that ye have heard.
        Therefore now amend your ways and your doings, and obey the voice of the LORD your God; and the LORD will repent him of the evil that he hath pronounced against you.”

        Jeremiah 26:12,13

        Need I say more? These false prophets repeat what’s in the Bible and pose as real prophets. Of course God wants repentance. He always wanted that.

        • Julie LaBrecque

          And a true prophet does not need to hedge his bets as these charlatans have. Did any of your neighbors disappear in the rapture last night?

          • Marcos Filipe Guerra

            Actually, I was in the Pentecostal church I attend to, while the moon was getting brighter and all that. What I got was that the doorman of the Church, I myself am one btw, took pictures of the bright moon, and so did I. Pictures were not very nice, I’ll put on one of the two. Not ONE mention during the services about the blood moons being related to the rapture. I actually, taught a few things about islamic persecution on sunday school and Turkey being the antichrist country. Soon, God willing, I’ll get them “Shoebatized”. Here’s a treat for you of Brazil’s sky.

      • RodK1975

        I could possibly have a smidgen more concern about all this were books sales and positions on the NY Times Best-Seller’s list not a major consideration…

        • Julie LaBrecque

          And what derision and ridicule their failed prophecies will bring upon the entirety of Christianity by the detractors?

          • RodK1975

            I guess “concern” was the wrong word to use… maybe I should have said “care”… as in “care” about what the dime-store-prophets say or come up with as in taking them seriously… I have plenty of concern for the damage being done.

    • The bigger problem is not the authors, its the system which has no repercussions allowing heretics to roam free.

      • Trevor

        Therein lies the problem. Nobody is called to accountability except in the media like this site, and woe betides those who upset the golden goose! It would have been better if we have never heard the name of Hagee or Cahn!

        Rubbish. If we don’t expose those hucksters, who will?

    • theophorus

      Count their money and plan for the next scam.

      • Grandmere

        You got that right. They already cleaned up on the “shorts” they placed on the market.

        • theophorus

          There’s got to be some kind of comet on the way or something. Maybe all the planets are going to line up?

          • Grandmere

            They are still raving about Niribu! ROFL I kid you not. I was showing one of my kids the vids the other day. Oh, how I wish Walid would do one on Nibiru. On second thought, maybe not. I might die laughing.

          • Steve Smith

            we have a saying ”are you willing to swallow a kopecks worth” that they actually fallow the pied pipper is beyond me.

          • theophorus

            Nibiru is good for them, they can keep claiming it’s on the way because it’s INVISIBLE! That one will never get old.

          • Marcos Filipe Guerra

            Because “aliens”. LOL. I just saw the news and NASA found, what appears to be salt water in Mars. They say now that this makes life on mars more likely. Good grief. And the christian lives by faith without evidence.

      • Trevor

        Hagee is already ahead of you:

        Pastor Hagee now appears so unconvinced anything immediate will follow Monday’s Blood Moon “in an instant”, he has released another potential bestseller – Three Heavens – which explains the dark times we will be in for the rest of 2015 and into 2016 following the Blood Moon “signs.”

        Source: http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/608042/Blood-Moon-doom-prophets-eclipse-September-28

        Those men don’t learn.

        • Julie LaBrecque

          Well – I would say that they do learn – they learn that they can make great financial gains by peddling their schemes.

          • Trevor

            Yeah. Their own gods are their belly.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Some of their bellies are really big.

          • Trevor

            No kidding.

          • Steve Smith

            my baba said ” a fat monk, is no monk at all”

          • Grandmere

            Gluttony. A deadly sin.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Now, Now, let’s not call names! LOL

          • Kamau41

            And continues to get bigger!

          • Steve Smith

            lol!!!!!! and a great god it is. looks like a #3 washtub

          • Trevor

            HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

          • Steve Smith

            wonder if hagee can fit

          • Trevor

            Heck no.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Nope. Better get a water trough.

          • mspip

            probably not…. he is not small man.

          • Kamau41

            No way!

          • Grandmere

            “If at first you don’t succeed, try, try again”

          • DeusLoVult

            I like to say, if at first you don’t succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.

            I find it a bit more useful, my lady. 🙂

        • AnthonyM

          Another apocalypse? I’m feeling apoplectic.

          • Trevor

            I am so sick of it. Hagee is a wealthy businessman, yes I dare to say businessman because he is a mongol with a media empire, and he could be active in speaking up against persecuted Christians. Instead, he is too busy garnering praises from Jews and earning “honorary” doctorate, which mean the university who gave it to him have wasted the paper they print that degree.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Isn’t it the truth? He sucks up to Jews and castigates Catholics.

          • Trevor

            I was thinking about this all afternoon. If Hagee truly is a friend to Israel, he should be devoting his time to evangelizing them, but he won’t. He has already stated it is a waste of time. In that case, he has already failed the Great Comission.

            Romans 1:16, “For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.”

            It’s clear that the Jews are always supposed to get the Gospels first, and Hagee won’t do it. He probably enjoys the warm friendship (nothing wrong with it) and the praises he receives from them. How much is the Father displeased with his failure to win the Jews?

          • Julie LaBrecque

            He would certainly lose favor with them if he tried to tell them that Jesus was THE Messiah – and that Mary was the Virgin to conceive and bear the Messiah. Mammon drives Hagee.

          • Trevor

            Exactly. He likes his lavish lifestyle, enormous mansion, and the church he has every Sunday.

            God is not against wealth, but what God is absolutely and totally against is pride. He hates it. It’s why it’s listed first on the seven deadly sins.

          • Grandmere

            And they always hand the family business down to their sons.

          • Trevor

            That’s called nepotism.

        • Kamau41

          These folks will never learn. They will fall for it every time hook line and sinker.

          • Trevor

            Yeah, makes me really sad.

        • theophorus

          It will be a best seller.

          • Trevor

            No doubt, no doubt. Doesn’t take a prophet to see it.

      • Kamau41

        Right! It’s a revolving door of lies/deception.

    • 1Bobby8

      Yes, and the gullible will fall for it again.

    • Catbr

      Or they’ll bring something else up and say I knew it was one or the other, like a good liar

  • Stephen Dalton

    Well, the great blood moon hullabaloo has come and gone. And surprise, surprise, nothing happened! Will Joe Farah of WingNutDaily give up his crazed obsession with the Jewish calendar, twisted interpretations of Old Covenant Holy Days, and Kabbalistic Kookery? I doubt it. I’m convinced Joe-Boy is either a Judaizer or an outright Crypto-Jew. I don’t know how else to explain his promotion of Judaizers like Kahn and Rives.

    • Farah was a supposed friend of mine. Now I learned a lesson. These were gamblers, not friends. I was hanging out with the wrong people. I should have listened to Solomon the wise.

      • Stephen Dalton

        Joe Farah will only be friends with people who will go along with him no matter how wrong he may be. I did an internet search titled Joe Farah’s critics, and discovered he had a very bad reputation for being thin skinned and very hostile to people who contradicted him. It didn’t matter what the person’s politics or religious background was, if you crossed him, you were dead meat to him. The main thing that seems to ignite his anger seems to be criticism of anything Jewish. If you do that, you’re branded an Anti-Semite by Farah and Co.

      • Julie LaBrecque

        You could develop a treatise that Isaiah 9:9 was speaking to the attempt by Julian the Apostate to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem, which earthquakes and firebolts from heaven descended upon each time they tried.

        • Yes, but I was still waiting for your shroud article. Is it done?

          • Julie LaBrecque

            It is getting close, spent a good bit of time on it yesterday. I am so afraid I will misquote something that I keep going back over resources.

    • Doc

      Because there is money to be made. These guys are making so much money that the money-making has become the thing that must be protected.

      • Stephen Dalton

        Yep Doc, there’s gold in thar suckers, er, hills.

  • Marcos Filipe Guerra

    “Meaning its rise or fall would be dependent on its relationship with God. If it followed His ways, America would become the most blessed, prosperous, and powerful nation on earth. From the very beginning they foretold it. And what they foretold would come true. America would rise to heights no other nation had ever known. Not that it was ever without fault or sin, but it would aspire to fulfill its calling.”

    Cahn

    What is he talking about?! Any nation that follows the ways of God is blessed. No one needs Jonathan Cahn to tell us this. It’s obvious! Look at Russia. Look at the US right now. Russia is favored, because it cares about its christian heritage. America is not so favored anymore, because it is mistreating Israel. So what? God will raise the US of A again. God and America will outlive it’s haters. That’s how it goes and that’s how it will always be.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    I didn’t know that Cahn believes, as do the JW’s, that Jesus died on a torture stake as opposed a cross. Evidence from the Shroud debunks this as their are frictions marks on the back of the Man of the Shroud indicating that the horizontal cross-beam (Patibulm) was laid across his shoulders. Further evidence cross comes from ancient Jewish writings that describe how the Passover Lambs had a wooden stake impaled through their back and also through their shoulders on which they were roasted.

    • Steve Smith

      .julie,…. the whole clan are nothing but arsehats! glad cbn was included. orthodox know what the cross looked like we had it whole, for a very long time. we even have 2nd cnt graffiti to prove it. we have preserved it in our iconographic canon.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexamenos_graffito

      • Stephen Dalton

        Even Christ enemies knew he was crucified on a cross, and not a torture stake!

    • Trevor

      Check your inbox. I’m sending you something.

      • Smith

        Can you send it to me too? You have me really curious

        • Trevor

          Sure, if I can have your email address.

          • Smith
          • Trevor

            Got it. Better delete your comment before you get swamped with junk emails.

    • These do not worship the Crucified Jesus Julie. They worship a Kabbalist devil.

      • Julie LaBrecque

        That is remarkably sad.

  • SwampLife2002

    GOD BLESS YOU!!!!! You have been given uncommon wisdom and understanding and power to do that which pleases God and I for one am extremely grateful for your dying to self and picking up your cross and following Christ! Thank you for using the scriptures to expose the truth! I am blessed because of your love of the truth!

    • Thank you SwampLife2002. Where are our detractors now? But soon, they will be in the heap of forgotten history.

      • SwampLife2002

        This just proves that we must study the Holy Scriptures so we will know the truth and the truth will set us free!!! Free from the false prophets!

  • AnthonyM

    Hello?? Whew, glad I’m not the only one left behind!

    • Julie LaBrecque

      Did any airplanes fall from the sky last night – or millions of cars veer off-course since their drivers vanished?

      • AnthonyM

        Not that I saw. But, I did stay up to see the eclipse, and it was pretty cool, from a scientific point of view.

        • Julie LaBrecque

          It was here around 10:00 – was cool.

          • AnthonyM

            10:00 PM is my normal bedtime.

      • Kamau41

        Today is another beautiful day!

    • I see your rosary but not you. How is it up there Anthony?

      • AnthonyM

        Still here, doing well. Could say I’m still in the batter’s box swinging the bat 😉

    • Kamau41

      Same here….The coast is clear.

      • AnthonyM

        Good news!

        • Kamau41

          Absolutely!

  • Indian Christian Crusader

    I took up my half empty ketchup bottle and looked at the moon through it, it was blood red. Only thing lacking was omelet and cutlets. I was hungry, I was stricken with one of the plagues of famine in my stomach, as soon as the moon appeared red through the ketchup bottle.

  • Trevor

    Reporting from Virginia where it’s business as usual. No planes crashed due to pilotless flights. No massive car wreck due to missing drivers.

    It rained all weekend and no moon. This whole nonsense is over but the damage is done. The clinic is now open to recovering moonites.

    • Kamau41

      The clinic is now wide open.

      • Grandmere

        Lord, have mercy! Is Susan on duty today?

        • Kamau41

          Time to call her to report for duty.

        • Julie LaBrecque

          Maybe she was taken and we were left behind….

      • Julie LaBrecque

        Full of empty beds – where are the patients?

        • Grandmere

          Hopefully they will stay in their bunkers for the next three and a half years.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            And arise from the ashes?

        • Kamau41

          Looks like the empty beds are now filling up fast!!

          • Julie LaBrecque

            And vomit with them.

    • Lidia

      I don’t follow any of these Blood Moon preachers. But stop saying that nothing happened, when terrible things ARE happening! Maybe you should go live in Germany or Austria. I’m sure your story would change!!

      • Grandmere

        Whoa, Lidia. It’s Trevor remember. He knows better than most what is going on. You don’t need to bite his head off just because the “rapture” or a tsunami didn’t happen.

        • Lidia

          I don’t believe in rapture. I’m Catholic!! And Trevor doesn’t know everything! I’m talking about what is happening to
          Europe, a tsunami of Muslims!!

          • Grandmere

            Do you think Trevor, of all people, doesn’t know that? He was talking about the ridiculous hype surrounding the “Blood Moon Tetrad” and nothing else. Settle down, Lidia. This is not like you.

          • Kamau41

            Not sure why she is biting my rowing buddy’s head off. It is not like her. Very unusual.

          • Grandmere

            It appears she has a belief about the Blood Moons that we have not heard by Cahn and Hagee. See her comment above re: the Catholic Church.

          • Kamau41

            Yep! Her comment above was the give away.

        • AnthonyM

          But how do we know that a Sharknado event didn’t happen someplace unknown?

          • Trevor

            LOL. Those movies are out of whack. Caught a glimpse of it on my vacation and just made me laugh.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Maybe the ‘great event’ was the stage curtain falling at Carly Fiorina’s event and almost hitting her in the head – it did happen in San Antonio – home of Hagee’s church.

          • Trevor

            That’s God way of saying, “Don’t vote for her!”

          • AnthonyM

            I missed that!

          • Lidia

            LOL!!

          • RodK1975

            No, no… that’s what’s commonly referred to as a “coincidence”. They occur at inconvenient times and in inconvenient places and mess up the standard model of your Home Prophecy and Prediction Service… and it also leaves static on your 900 number..

          • Grandmere

            That was just too good. You get a popsicle.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            I like the Bomb Pop variety.

          • Steve Smith

            i did not hear that .may be it is couse i don’t have a tv.

      • Kamau41

        So Tell us Lidia, what did happened? Did we missed something? Why are you biting Trevor’s head off?

        • Lidia

          These Protestant preachers were wrong with their version but the Blood Moon Tetrad still stands true as to what is actually happening in Europe which will change the world forever!
          So this is the Blood Moon Tetrad that will shake the foundation of the Catholic Church.

          • Doc

            Will this shaking of the foundation of the Catholic church be good or bad?

          • Lidia

            Bad — A river of blood will flow through Europe! Rome will be attacked! The CC will not have a pope for many years and the CC will almost be destroyed. Another crusade will rise again!!

          • Doc

            Do you think that Vatican City will be destroyed? Do you think that St Malachi was correct and this pope is Petrus Romanus? Do you think he will turn out to be the false prophet with Erdogan or some other leader from Turkey being the Antichrist?

          • Lidia

            No, according to prophecy, the pope will leave Rome and be murdered. That is why there will be no pope for some time. Maybe this antichrist will fill his seat because the seat will be empty.

          • Doc

            Interesting idea. The Greek for “Antichrist” can also mean “in place of Christ.” If I remember correctly this Pope believes he will be assassinated.

          • Kelly ann

            There’s is a misread concerning this prophesy, the great chaistisement precedes the rise of Petrus Romanus not follows him. The history channel made this mistake in their presentation on it.

          • Lidia

            I believe there is a reason why Pope Francis came to America. So that American Catholics don’t forget that there is a pope. He might need them one day. Vatican City is far away. American Catholics might be part of this crusades. Maybe even Protestants.

          • Lidia,

            I can come up with all sorts of combinations like this and claim it from the Tetrad. Isaiah clearly stated to stay away from this sort of thing in following new moons and moon movements to calculate future events. This is very clear from Isaiah:

            “… who at the new moons make known what shall come upon you. Behold, they are like stubble; the fire consumes them; they cannot deliver themselves from the power of the flame. No coal for warming oneself is this, no fire to sit before! (Isaiah 47:13–14)

            So you are in danger zone my dear.

          • Curiosity kills a cat, but a Doc has more wisdom.

          • Doc

            LOL. Just wanting to hear opinions. I am doing my best to refrain from judging any post.

          • mspip

            time will tell….

          • Kelly ann

            I can’t help but ask, but where is this blood moon teachings in the church or prophesy that has been tested and proven authentic?

        • Why ask 41? Just look at what I stated above. When you find a contradiction, no need for questions Joshua. We just row the boat, 41 😉

          • Kamau41

            Your right Captain. Didn’t even need to ask because indeed your statement above says it all. We will keep on rowing the boat.

          • They will say “o I don’t support them exactly” but they support some sort of moon movements. It is dangerous as Isaiah 47 told us, playing with fire will get fire. In the meanwhile, me and you row ,,, so common 41, lets row

          • Kamau41

            Now this is amazing Walid. I was just reading and pondering Isaiah 47 this morning right after reading this article. Talking about perfect timing. This is in perfect context of the big ugly mess and danger that these folks are in. Yes, we must keep rowing together.

      • Doc

        Whether it’s related to the blood moons, shemitah, or just self-fulfilling prophecy, the world markets have been on a rollercoaster with an overall downward trend since late summer. Muslims are taking over Europe; maybe the US is next. Water is scarce in California. We have just given Iran a license to make nukes and try to start WWIII with Israel. Things ARE happening, and one does not need the color of the moon to see it!

        • Lidia

          It depends on how you look at. Charlemagne was crowned the FIRST Holy Roman Emperor by the Catholic Church during one of the Blood Moon Tetrads. He united Christendom. Now with the invasion of Europe which will eventually lead to war, there will rise another Emperor who will be crowned by the Pope. He will also unite Europe and create again, Christendom. He will be the last Holy Roman Emperor! This event will be more significant than any of those that you mentioned. Nothing happens on the night or day of the Blood Moon Tetrad but it’s the beginning of something very significant for the Jewish people and the Catholic Church.

          • Doc

            I agree it’s the beginning of something, but for all Christians and Jews.

          • Lidia

            What happens to the Catholic Church will affect Israel big time!!!!

          • Grandmere

            What is predicted (other than Malachi)?

          • Lidia

            Instead of writing it out. Just read my comments from before because it will take a long time for me to write it out.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            I don’t even know where to start, but for me let it be just one thing. I wish you would exercise a little critical thinking, in all charity, and examine the reflexive anti-monarchial/pro-democracy bias in this statement. Given how rotten democracy is. After all, Herod sent Christ away from him, Pilate wanted to set Christ free, but it was the mob of people, who got their right to vote and cried out; “Crucify Him, Crucify Him!’

            Ponder on that fact, and some other questions will arise from that. Listen to the Spirit.

          • Lidia

            What statement are you talking about? I’ve been talking about MONARCHY this whole time! GCM will be a MONARCH, he will destroy Democracy, Communism, Socialism, Fascism, and Islamism. He will uproot all the Republics. He will bring back Christendom in order to destroy the enemies of the church. He will lead a crusading army, the army of the Cross Bearers.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            Forgive me, I didn’t look at what you said close enough, and thought you were making a ‘European Antichrist’ statement (which I thought would be strange for you to say, admittedly.).

      • Trevor

        Terrible things have been going on before the blood moon hoopla. Nothing new. And you are whining.

        • Kamau41

          Thank you.

          • Trevor

            We are gonna hafta keep rowing, my friend. This battleship is getting battered on all side, but the guns are a-firing and running hot.

          • Kamau41

            Yes that is exactly what we must do. We are being battered on all sides, but we won’t be destroyed.

          • Trevor

            May St. Michael be with us.

      • “I don’t follow any of these Blood Moon preachers.”

        “but the Blood Moon Tetrad still stands true”

        What an utter contradiction.

        • Lidia

          Not! I never read their books but I did read about what happened during the past 7 blood moon tetrads. That’s all I needed to know.

          • O common Lidia, what you are saying is simple “I don’t agree with their blood moons, I have my own version …” it is still blood moon watch.

          • Lidia

            At least I’m not making money from it.

          • Lidia

            Yes, I have a different perspective on this and many other things, as you noticed. When you talk about Putin, for example, that is your view. Some people that come here to this website, absolutely hate Putin and Russia. They don’t trust him but you give a lot of good examples to make us at least like him a little bit if not totally. I like Ted’s views on Christendom. Does everybody here agree with Ted? Not everybody.

    • I hope you understand I shortened the article. I stayed out of the rapture and legalism issues and kept it kiss.

      • Trevor

        Ok…what about those two women that were mentioned–Renee Moses and Lyn Leahz?

        • I don’t mention small peas. I squish them and move on.

          • Trevor

            Ah, ok.

    • mspip

      things in rural tennessee are no different either.

      • Trevor

        Yeah. Forecast says rain until Wednesday. Not complaining because I have planted 29 maple saplings, and they are saving my well water for other uses.

  • Kamau41

    Another excellent piece Walid/Trevor. Mark Blitz, John Cahn, and Hagee are not the first and will not be the last to do such mass deception. To show the deep historical connections of these heretics to the days of paganism and the Kabbalist Sorcery is also very chilling. There is indeed nothing new under the sun.

    • Trevor

      Yeah, never is anything new.

      I just wish I had caught Cahn’s heresy much earlier. Just grateful that Walid’s scolding last year sent me researching about Cahn. It was only recently I realized Cahn actually supported the Anglo-Israelism heresy.

      • Kamau41

        Well now your eyes are wide open and you will be able to detect future false prophets/heretics much sooner and not even come close of being caught off guard.

        • Trevor

          I hope so.

  • Steve Smith

    while the simple minded were oggling at the moon. orthodox were doing this. we keep our eyes on christ and the cross, not the moon.

  • Lidia

    Something did happen: Europe was invaded by Muslims!!!

  • Grandmere

    Animal Planet could make a new issue of “Meerkat Manor” showing them all popping up out of their bunkers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_eVEW_Y02o

    • mspip

      these were interesting little critters. will look and see if they are still on tv.

  • RodK1975

    Jesus chased the money-changers out of the Temple…

    • Did Jesus use a whip or a rod? Ya, I had to chase out on my face book a bunch of heretics this morning posting comments. I can’t seem to get rid of them. They always say that they are upset and are leaving and will follow me no more. I wish they keep their word. It seems that more come. I guess I need the Rod 1975 vintage.

      • RodK1975

        It’s like you say about Jesus-style questions… Jesus-style statements work wonders as well… they speak for themselves and can’t be debunked… Funny thing is Jesus-style questions and statements tend to enrage people the most… 😉

        • Marcos Filipe Guerra

          Or ultimately silences them.

          • RodK1975

            Excellent Marco!… I’ll remember that… Oh and sounds like above you had a great church service last night, congrats on getting to education a bit… you’re a wise teacher!

          • Marcos Filipe Guerra

            Your compliments humble me, thank you. You know, personally, I took it upon myself to expose the important issues of our times, got a few heats, but I’ll keep going. Hopefuly I’ll get other to go on with me along the way. Got one in my work. Working on a second. One of the leaders in the church already told me that “my exposition on Islam being the antichrist religion makes much more sense.”. So far I have learned that God’s mercy will always lead some to jealously. Matthew 20: 1-16. Protestants in general wants the catholics to accept Jesus (!!!!). Catholics wants the protestants to come into the real true church. Seventh day adventists wants everyone to keep the sabbath. What I know for sure is that EVERY SINGLE CULT will ultimately want to straighten us on WHO GOD IS and what HE DOES. The prosperity churches are the Laodiceans of Rev 3: 14-22. Many don’t get this, Jesus isn’t talking to claiming unbelievers, He’s talking to His church! And He’s out of it, knocking at the doors! That, to me, is a grim picture. The Cornerstone of the Church is out of it. It will fall.

            “Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and {that} the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.”

            Revelation 3:17,18

            I decided something. It is to call my brother anyone that believes in Jesus Christ, The Holy Father and the Holy Spirit. Doesn’t matter how many heat I get from them! The ultimate judgement of who goes up or who goes down is God’s. I try to do my job as best I can, in Jesus Christ. It was a good service. A young man accepted Christ yesterday. God bless you, brother. I love you very much.

            Edit: Can anyone, please, elighten me on why I cannot upvote anything? I try all the time, but it just doesn’t work.

          • RodK1975

            Excellent, brother…You’ve said what’s on my heart better than I could have!

            Edit: Are you using a tablet or iPad? I can’t upvote on those… only on my desktop and laptop..

          • Marcos Filipe Guerra

            It was a desktop. Now I am using a cell phone. I cant upvote anything.

          • RodK1975

            I have no clue then, I just put my mouse arrow on the little up arrow and click… maybe it’s your browser preventing it somehow.

  • Lidia

    You are right Winky about the major changes!!!!

  • HeatherMaeC

    The next tetrad is in 2033, threes year after we start living under the UN agenda 2030 (globalism). Hmmmmm reminds me of a 3 year period of a false peace.

    • Julie LaBrecque

      Shouldn’t the Tetrad precede this ‘false’ peace period to warn us?

  • HeatherMaeC

    “Mahmud Abbas is going to tell everyone that the current situation is no longer tenable, that the Authority has authority in name only while Israel is destroying any idea of a two-state solution,” a Palestinian official told AFP, declining to provide further details.

    In the runup to the speech, there have been reports that Abbas would use the opportunity to drop a “bombshell”.

    Suggestions of what that could mean have included a complete withdrawal from the Oslo accords of the 1990s or the dissolution of the Palestinian Authority that those agreements created.”
    http://news.yahoo.com/abbas-set-un-speech-palestinian-despair-mounts-144133257.html

    Seems significant to me. While everyone thinks this was all about seeing Jesus riding in the sky on a horse. Maybe it was just about a moment that is going to lead to something big later down the line. Making both believers of the blood moon prophecies and the naysayers both right and wrong. We shouldn’t be targeting each other. Satan is getting a lot done these days, and if you aren’t watching for the end, I hope it doesn’t come upon you as a thief in the night.

    • Julie LaBrecque

      We are supposed to be ready at all times – not just when Blood Moons happen.

      • HeatherMaeC

        True and we are supposed to watch for Him and prepare.

    • Nonsense. They are always having two state solution talks. This is insignificant. Trying to grab straws? False prophets will always look at the news and try to extract something they claim is of significance. Isaiah 47 clearly warned about using new moons to announce calamities. Is Isaiah WRONG?

      • HeatherMaeC

        I think that none of us has all of it right or wrong. I can see valid points that Mark Biltz has brought about appointed times and seasons, and I think you have a point that using blood moons to set dates is false prophecy. Do you not see that this is the times that prophecy has warned us about?

  • What is the purpose of your pin pointed hat?

  • The star of Bethlehem was told to us by the Bible. Isaiah told us about the ones who assign calamities using new moons. You seem to ignore what was said in Isaiah 47. As far as name-calling, God is into lots of name calling. Never said that the use of Yeshua is wrong. You fail to quote me. What I said was that to invoke Yeshua or Yahweh to worship a calf is idolatry. Stop twisting my words.

    You folks keep harping over one word Moiddim “appointment” and make all sorts of claim from one word. Talk about someone who is looking for a straw. Keep trying. Where is the promise of your blood moons? Ha? Answer.

    • theophorus

      Name calling? Two come to mind. “White washed tombs full of dead mens bones” and “YOU BROOD OF VIPERS!”

      Tsk Tsk Jesus and John…

  • Trevor

    Those men who “misunderstood ” the Scriptures are LEADERS.

  • Trevor

    What are you trying to say?

  • Trevor

    1) God established the moon, sun, and stars. Psalms says that the heaven declare the glory of God.

    2) God established time for our behalf because He is outside of time. He is not bounded by time as we are. We know in the animal kingdom, certain animals go to sleep at night and certain animals come out at night. Same thing in the aquatic world. Certain plants only come out at night. We know by some moons, it’s time for harvest and time to plant.

    3) Heretics do invoke names. However, the name we get Jesus comes from Greek, not Hebrews, and the Hebrews name for Jesus is the same as Joshua, meaning “The LORD is salvation.”

    4) Some folks have problems with tough love. Jesus had no problem dishing out tough loves. He called the Pharisees a brood of vipers, white washed tombs, and son of Satan. Can’t get any meaner than that.

    • Marcos Filipe Guerra

      Actually Yeshua, hebrew name for Jesus, means literally “salvation”. Yehoshua is hebrew for Joshua and that means “The LORD is salvation.” Same root, same meaning, different conotation. One name declares God’s salvation and the other claims to be salvation, wich is our Lord Jesus Christ. Sorry to headbutt into the comments. 🙂

      • Trevor

        You are right. My point still stand. Beside, the name Jesus came from Greek.

        • Marcos Filipe Guerra

          Yes, your point still stands, as Yehoshua is a type of conquering Messiah, and indeed Jesus comes from greek, that has nothing to do with hebrew, anyway.

          • Trevor

            Exactly. When the Bible was being translated from Greek, it was a momentual task because Greek is an extremely accurate language.

          • Marcos Filipe Guerra

            I studied greek for a year. Modern greek. Classic greek is in a whole new level. My teacher was greek and he taught classical greek to greeks. He told me he learned portuguese by just speaking on the streets. What? He said that he understood the roots of the words, so it was easy. I want to study it again. Fascinated me.

          • Trevor

            Sound like he has an “ear” for language. My wife was the same way when she learned sign language long before we met, and she was fluent in less time than her peers.

        • Steve Smith

          it is still Ίησοῦς

  • Julie LaBrecque

    And who owned the land on which Washington, DC was built? Catholics – it was called Rome, Maryland.

    • AnthonyM

      Maryland was named after Mary.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Those events preceded the Blood Moon. Was the blood moon meant to tell of events that preceded it?

    • Grandmere

      He’s going on the tetrad.

      • Julie LaBrecque

        Last night was the last of them. Bad stuff has been going on in the world long before the Tetrads – maybe it means all the bad stuff is over?

    • Kelly ann

      Lol ! Anything is possible in heresy, open Boardgame.

  • Grandmere

    I knew it would come to Nibiru!! When all else fails, try planet x. This stuff is so funny, it makes me bust out laughing.

    • Am going crazy, blood moons, Nibiru, Shemeitahs, Planet-X … and I have crazies throwing up in isle 1, 2, 4, 6, 12 and 16 and my Facebook has these crazies … I mean my falafel stand looks like a stable and my clinic has a line a mile long with patients. Did the bulk order of Halodol arrive?

      • Trevor

        I guess I will have to take my lumps as well.

      • Grandmere

        I’m sorry, Dr. Chef. I really shouldn’t incite them like that. Some people say “Boo!” I say “Nibiru”!

  • Trevor

    Interesting. I was also reading that Baptists were “harassed” as well, especially in Virginia.

  • Doc

    One must always be aware of the concept of “post hoc ergo propter hoc” which in Latin means “after this therefore because of this”. Anything of major import that happens in the next few months will be credited to the blood moons or the shemitah. You need only look around and see that the world is on fire with wars and rumors of wars, famines, stock market crashes, etc., but crediting them to any stellar event is at best making the mistake of assuming that just because they happen in conjunction with each other that they necessarily have a cause-and-effect relationship.

    All of this “watching the signs in the sky” started years ago with Gary Stearman and J.R. Church on “Prophecy in the News” when they started claiming that the constellations were given by God and were later corrupted into Astrology by Satan. I was uncomfortable with that claim even then, and it lead to all the current date-setting you see today. Prior to that no preacher would touch the practice of relating dates to prophecy or interpreting signs in the sky.

  • What about who teach wizardry? Will they go to heaven? It seems that your heaven is open for so many to enter.

    • Julie LaBrecque

      “God said in his word, that they are given as signs – This is all they are teaching.” Don’t you love it? I especially wonder about those who keep their comments locked so no one can see their other comments – is it because they may be guilty of what they are accusing?

      • I have a guy up there telling me that the sun became sackcloth. I guess Hagee decides when Christ should come. Utter rebellion. These people are worse than Muslims. I have had enough of them, they are demonic walking around thinking they are alright just because they invoke the name “Yeshua”. I am having a wakeup call to really see who I was getting involved with. Am going crazy. On my Facebook they are all over the place, like locusts. Is there a spray of some sort that I can use? Can I send a few from here to deal with these nut cases? Too many patients not enough haldol …. Where is Susan …. nurse … yo nurse … some body

        • Julie LaBrecque

          In what part of the world was the sun turned to sackcloth? I haven’t seen any news report of any such event. Was it his mind that was turned into sackcloth instead of the sun? I am beginning to think that Susan was raptured and we were all left behind.

          • Kamau41

            That was exactly my line of thinking. We have been searching for Susan all day so far.

          • I am also starting to get worried about her too.

          • Trevor

            That is part of the problem. Folks forget that the sun will be black as sackcloth, the stars will refuse to shine, and the moon red as blood all at the same time, and even NASA would not be able to explain it away.

            They can explain the blood moon by itself. The sun by itself. The stars by itself. But all three at the same time? Good luck.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            You are 100% correct. I believe this occurred on April 3,33 AD.

          • Trevor

            Yeah, and it also hit me that it will happen again. That’s why Paul said, “We are not in darkness, so that Day [the Day of the Lord] doesn’t overtake us,” in his letter to the Thessalonians.

          • There were many blood moons so which one is the “sackcloth”? And why is it that Hagee is the authority to say that this blood moon is the sackcloth? Hagee is the Pope and the authority as to when Jesus MUST come. This is utter rebellion and protesting. Why are all these people protesting?

          • theophorus

            Just like haters gonna hate, protestants gonna protest.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Maybe the collusion of Putin and Obama today is the ‘sackcloth’ – (the blood moons were literal and the sackcloth was allegorical), toasting each other – what would the wackos have said if that was Francis toasting with Obama?

          • Delta Rain

            Oh, my goodness.. I saw some ‘wizards’ discussing how this affects Mercury …or was it Saturn? I was scrolling and didn’t pause for too long… But because of this, their powers are temporarily… blocked. ahahahaha! I dropped my computer, I was laughing so hard. They were soooo serious.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            So much junk in so many places.

          • No. I checked on her yesterday. She is fine.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Good – I really began to worry this morning when I saw she still had not made any comments.

        • SwampLife2002

          Mr Shoebat, I get what you are saying but it Is subject to criticism because you didn’t quote the scripture verse that says we are to judge the sin of the believer and gently lead them back to the path of righteousness being careful not to get caught up in their sin. So we are to judge the sin but not the motive, right?
          Also, reading from Galatians 5, especially verse 13-16….let us on this site and within our sphere of influence be careful not to “bite and devour one another, taking heed that he be not consumed one of another.”(vs15)…
          Also, love rejoices when the truth wins out!! : )
          So you should be rejoicing!!

          • All this scripture quotes as if we are all molded from the same clay. We are not. They are wizards and thieves who make old ladies close their bank accounts thinking that the end is around the corner. These are CULTS. Stop misapplying Scriptures. Last person I had a discussion with and I asked them about the Trinity and they denied it. This Hebrew Roots Movement is of the devil. So why are you so foolishly equating the saints with devils? Such usage of quotes is in itself of the devil. So many are sent with all they offer is the twisting of arms and scriptures. So get thee behind me.

      • Willing to die for Jesus

        The Virgin Mary is truly our Shining Star in the sky and we have been living in the Age of Mary. We are about to enter the October month of devotion to the Holy Rosary and we look to Her for guidance… along with Her Son to ask that God’s will be carried out through Her.

        For what better human being has been created other than Mary? She is God’s purest (human) creation, the New Eve, the New Ark of the Covenant, and She will be called Blessed Among All the Generations. She is the brightest star in the Heavens, and there is none other like Her.

        The Blessed Mother literally holds up all the Stars in the sky, as beautiful images depict her with stars around Her head. She is our sign in the sky… and we must never forget to call upon Her, and never forget Her. She asked the world to be devoted to Her Immaculate Heart and to turn away from their sins and do penance, but the world seems to have forgotten about Her purity and have committed the most serious of blasphemies by calling God’s most purest creation on Earth, our Heavenly Mother, Our Lord’s Mother as sinful! May God forgive them! For blaspheming Her!

        http://www.ageofmary.com/

        Whoever you are, since you see that you are drifting along the stream of time amidst storms and tempests rather than walking upon solid ground do not turn your glance from this shining star, if you do not want to perish in the storms. When the storm winds of temptations arise, when you are heading for the cliffs of anxieties, look up to the star and call on Mary. When you are being swept along by the waves of arrogance or ambition, or of slander or jealousy, look up to the star and call on Mary. When anger, greed or the pleasures of the flesh threaten to capsize the little ship of your soul, look up to Mary. When you are confused by the terrible extent of your guilt, ashamed of the stains on your conscience, horrified by the fear of judgment and are in danger of sinking into the pit of sadness, into the abyss of despair, then think of Mary.
        In dangers and anxieties, in doubt and need, think of Mary, call on Mary. Let her never leave your lips, let her never depart from your heart. And in order to obtain an answer to your prayers, do not cease to imitate her life. Following her, you shall not stray; invoking her, you shall not despair; thinking of her, you shall not wander. Upheld by her, you shall not fall; shielded by her, you have nothing more to fear; guided by her, you grow not weary; favored by her, you reach the goal.

        (Office for the Feast of the Holy Name of Mary, written by St. Bernard of Clairvaux)

  • Julie LaBrecque

    If all they are teaching is that God gave them as signs, why do they have to sell books to teach it?

    • 1Bobby8

      To make money off of suckers.

    • Marcos Filipe Guerra

      That would be true. I could put some interpretation into Hosea 5:15 and Hosea 6:1-3, link it to 2 Peter 3:8 and say that the 3rd day of the text from Hosea is the millenium and between the 2nd day and the 3rd Christ will come. The jews rejected Jesus in arround 32 a.D., so that’s the beginning of the first day, one would could count 2000 years (2 days) from that and reach to 2032/2033 for His second coming. Guess what? Those years will have a tetrad blood moon also. I don’t know how they didn’t make a big book about this as well. Thing is, the Bible tells us this:

      “But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as {do} others; but let us watch and be sober.”

      1 Ts 5:1-6

      “Let no man deceive you by any means: for {that day shall not come}, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.”

      2 Ts 2:3,4

      The Bible clearly states that we should discern the times and seasons through FACTS that God said would happen, prophecy if you will, not by the sun, moon and stars. Those are used to determine seasons, like summer, winter, days and years (Gen. 1:14).
      Pagan mithology uses them to determine the future, and that’s heresy.

      • Julie LaBrecque

        All the accounts of Jesus’ return (in the gospels) indicate that Jesus returns to judge – those who did not do as told, go to the Lake of Fire prepared for the Devil – and the righteous into eternal life – Is this correct?

        • Marcos Filipe Guerra

          Didn’t Jesus say that if we love Him we will keep His commandments? What about the wise and the not so wise virgins? The mine keepers? Of course it’s correct.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Where are all the people in normal bodies going to come from in the Millenium?

          • Marcos Filipe Guerra

            Sheep nations. The judgement after the last battle.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            What about 1 Thess 4:17?

          • Marcos Filipe Guerra

            That’s for the faithful. The ones who followed Jesus’ commandments. Those are not in judgement when Jesus comes to destroy the statue of Daniel. I hope we are among them Julie. Isn’t that what the wheat and the tare growing together is all about?

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Whoa – I thought you already agreed with Matt, Mar, Luke –

          • Marcos Filipe Guerra

            It does agree with them. Several parables agree with this. One of them is the seed taken by birds, other buried in thorns. Even Jesus said many would come to Him claiming to have served Him. I mean, if they really served Him well, why are they in judgement? There is no judgement for who lives by the faith in Him, right? Faith is of good works. I know another parable that hammers this down, but I can’t remember it right now. I’ll find it tomorrow and I’ll tell you.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Also explain how 1 Cor 15:22-28 fits in.

          • Marcos Filipe Guerra

            Are you testing my spirit Julie?
            Jeremiah 49:38,39. Jeremiah 49:6. Isaiah 19: 24, 25. Several places where God restores and forgives those who persecuted Israel, because of the faithful of that land. 1 Cor 15:22-28 fits in the end of the millenium. When the dead will rise to be judged in the last judgement and a new earth shall be made. Don’t know if it will be an upgrade that will make the earth brand new and glorious, or we will witness a new heaven and a new earth being made. I tend to believe in the first one. The same heaven and same earth glorified by God to its former self, because of Genesis 15. God tells what land belongs to Israel. So it’s on this earth. Of course, I don’t have the whole picture. I do know that the New Jerusalem will descend from Heaven. The Holy Zion. The parables: Luke 19: 11-27. Matthew 22: 1-14. Luke 8: 5-18.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            I’m not testing your spirit, I’m testing Jesus’ words and those of Paul and Peter to see how they play in to a millennium full of people marrying and having children. Jesus said that those who eat His flesh and drink His blood will be raised on the Last Day – are there 2 Last Days?

          • Marcos Filipe Guerra

            Please forgive me. I got the wrong impression.

            Well, to the question. When will the last day be? I mean Jesus will be our light when He comes back will He not? The sun will go black right? No more suns or moons and stars for light, or to measure time and seasons. He’s the light of the world and the Keeper of it. Besides, even if there are suns, moons and stars, Jesus will come back on the day of the Lord is He not? Is that the last day?

            Anyway, let’s see what you wrote, what’s written and what can we objectively conclude:

            You said:

            “Jesus said that those who eat His flesh and drink His blood will be raised on the Last Day – are there 2 Last Days?”

            It is written:

            “Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

            John 6:54 (KJV)

            Yes, you are correct about what’s written, however, and let’s read it carefully, is Jesus talking about the communion made by Christians until He comes? What is written? Matthew tells us:

            “And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed {it}, and brake {it}, and gave {it} to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. {blessed it: many Greek copies have gave thanks}
            And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave {it} to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
            For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
            But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.
            And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives. {hymn: or, psalm}”

            Matthew 26:26-30

            Let’s tread carefully now. When He comes back we will do this together and the communion purpose will be fulfilled. Announce His second coming. No more communion tradition the way we know it, because we will be with Him forever. That’s the last day and also the last communion. Also it is fulfilled in the battle of Armaggedon (Rev 19).
            If that interpretation is wrong, then we would have trouble with the first resurrection, and the second (Rev 20). The first is redemption, and the second is damnation. Notice that no believer will be ressurected in the second one. Only the ones who are judged by their works. Our rewards will be by our works, but not our salvation ( 1 Corinthians 3). We are not in judgement.
            If we would be raised up in the “second last day”, if you will, we would be doomed, you see?

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Jesus drank from the Cup on the Cross – that is when the Kingdom came – blood and water poured from His side. He also ate and drank before His ascension,
            Acts10:41. He celebrated Mass with the two disciples on the Road to Emmaus – changed the bread to His flesh. We have miracles to prove that Jesus meant what He said and said what He meant – one of the more famous ones is in Argentina, if I recall correctly, this is your neck of the woods.

          • Marcos Filipe Guerra

            Wait a minute Julie. We were talking of end times, when Jesus comes back, and you changed the subject to His crucifiction.
            Of course He established the beginning of His Kingdom when He ressurected, but it will be ultimately fulfilled when He comes back and sit in His Throne, The Throne of David in Jerusalem. If the communion was ultimately fulfilled, why are we ordained to commune until He comes back? He also said He would drink it again with them in His Father’s kingdom, wich is Heaven. If we don’t do this as an announcement until He comes, what do we make of 1 Corinthians 11:26, then? Is there anything wrong with my interpretation on the communion in the latter post? Or the links I made between the verses in Revelation about the first ressurection and the second?

            “We have miracles to prove that Jesus meant what He said and said what He meant.”

            I didn’t say the contrary.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            When He comes back, communion will end – because then we will see Him face to face and not under the sacramental veil of the Eucharist. I think if you will look at the OT prophesies of the sacrifice that will be offered in the time of the gentiles, you might begin to see that protestant communion does not fulfill them – Isaiah 25:6-8 – Feast of Fat things and wine well refined: this cannot be protestant communion meal; Malachi 1:11, the pure offering with incense to occur after God asks for someone to close the Jerusalem Temple; plus Paul states to “keep the Feast”, 1 Cor 5:8 – the Passover Feast was always a sacrifice; Hebrews 13:10 states that we an altar to eat from that those who serve the Tabernacle have no right to eat; Paul clearly teaches the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, 1 Cor 10 & 11 – he states that it is a partaking of His flesh and blood, and he states that some people had gotten ill and died from it. How anyone can teach that a mere symbol causes illness and death is beyond reason, nor is it a legitimate interpretation of what Paul said. Jesus stays/dwells with us in the Eucharist.

  • Kelly ann

    I can’t make sense in you secular bible! Hang on I’ll get mine …..
    Ok DR
    Against scoffers denying the second coming of Christ. He declares the sudden dissolution of this world and exhorts to holiness of life.

    [1] Behold this second epistle I write to you, my dearly beloved, in which I stir up by way of admonition your sincere mind: [2] That you may be mindful of those words which I told you before from the holy prophets, and of your apostles, of the precepts of the Lord and Saviour. [3] Knowing this first, that in the last days there shall come deceitful scoffers, walking after their own lusts, [4] Saying: Where is his promise or his coming? for since the time that the fathers slept, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. [5] For this they are wilfully ignorant of, that the heavens were before, and the earth out of water, and through water, consisting by the word of God.

    [6] Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished. [7] But the heavens and the earth which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of the ungodly men. [8] But of this one thing be not ignorant, my beloved, that one day with the Lord is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. [9] The Lord delayeth not his promise, as some imagine, but dealeth patiently for your sake, not willing that any should perish, but that all should return to penance. [10] But the day of the Lord shall come as a thief, in which the heavens shall pass away with great violence, and the elements shall be melted with heat, and the earth and the works which are in it, shall be burnt up.

    There’s nothing here which St Peter speaks concerning blood moons. But he does refer to what was told to them before, you need to back track and see what the apostles taught to them concerning the signs of the coming. May have to dig up history just to be sure and even then it may not be recorded in historical archives. Most likely he’s referring to what the apostles learned from Lord Jesus in the Gospels so this is a good place to start.

    • Trevor

      That’s why I am waiting for his response. What was his point? I guess he didn’t see that the passage from 2nd Thessalonians were on the end of the article, clearly talking about the 2nd coming of Christ.

      • Kelly ann

        I don’t know what his point was, my guess he was trying to make a case arguement against Walid concerning the invented blood moon heresy, by isolating this Epistle of St Paul’s to do so. This is the very reason why St Peter binded the sacred Scriptures from personal interpretation in the first place. When the abbot decided to number the passages in 12th century they should of put a footnote in to inform the people the numbering is for the practical benefit to easier location for the purpose of copying and theologian studies. And the purpose of the bible is for the testament of Lord Jesus for us to read and learn about God, not to interpret privately. The bible is a book, read it like one. Now there’s a unique idea! I do believe walid spoke about this in the past.

  • Bilbo

    Follow the money…

    • Paladin

      Because nobody would follow you.

  • Bilbo

    All eyes on Jerusalem. Whenever shiny baubles draw us away, we must repent and set our eyes once again on Jerusalem.

    • Paladin

      Better than looking at you!

  • Toni Racalto

    YOU asked “Has the sun turned to darkness? in your 2nd paragraph

    The answer is YES!

    ————————————————————–

    Anyone who knows anything about lunar eclipses knows that the earth, as it rotates close to the moon which causes the lunar eclipse, blocks out the sunlight on the moon, causing the sun to become darkened during the eclipse and the moon to turn red.as the earth rotates during the eclipse. Sunday nite, the sun, earth and full moon were all lined by God to cause this event.

    When you see an eclipse of the sun, the moon is passing from the sun, and you get that dark disk. It takes a bite out of the sun, as it were.

    In this case, the earth is eclipsing the sun’s rays on to the moon. The moon, of course, has no light of its own. It’s reflected light.

    • Ohh, someone with answers. Here are the historic Tetrads that fell on all four feast days 162 AD lunar Tetrad: Was the sun a sackcloth?
      795 AD lunar Tetrad: Was the sun a sackcloth?
      842 AD lunar Tetrad: Was the sun a sackcloth?
      860 AD lunar Tetrad: Was the sun a sackcloth?

      So why all these sackcloth are not the “sackcloth” in the biblical prophecy and only this one which Hagee announced IS the sackcloth? Why is it the Hagee announces the exact sackcloth that is prior to Christ’s coming on the day of the Lord? You see, when someone says this is the one that Christ must come after is dictating to Christ when He is to come and this is why in Isaiah 47 God prohibited what the Chaldeans did. So stop playing God. It is the ultimate pride and God hates it. You’r playing with fire son and you’r intertwining heretics. Don’t say I didn’t warn you. The years are coming and one day you will wonder. Just keep this in mind and don’t forget to remember this.

    • Julie LaBrecque

      The earth was darkened at noon while Jesus hung on the cross dying.

      • RodK1975

        While the moon was 180 degrees in the other direction… lol..

        • Grandmere

          For three hours???????????????????

          • RodK1975

            Yes… Christ was crucified on a full moon, therefore, while the sun was darkened, the moon was 180 degrees away from the sun or on the opposite side of the planet… therefore, again, the darkening of the sun could not have been the result of a solar eclipse…

            <– Jr Astronomer 😉

          • Grandmere

            I get it! Don’t you know they were terrified.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            And an earthquake to boot.

          • Paladin

            Ummm, nope, I think the general consensus among Church historians and historians are “the sky simply darken”. The way it darkens before a really heavy storm, without the storm.

            The dark skies and earthquake that come afterwards actually may have a correlation.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthquake_cloud
            —————–

            From wikipedia on Scientific Validity of Earthquake Weather :

            Some recent research has found a correlation between a sudden relative spike in atmospheric temperature 2-5 days before an earthquake. It is speculated that this rise is caused by the movement of ions within the earth’s crust, related to an oncoming earthquake. However, the atmospheric changes are caused by the earthquake, rather than the earthquake being caused by any change in atmospheric conditions. Furthermore, this relative temperature change would not cause any single recognizable weather pattern that could be labelled “earthquake weather”.[6][7]

            At the 2011 American Geophysical Union Fall Meeting, Shimon Wdowinski announced an apparent temporal connection between tropical cyclones and earthquakes.[8]

            In April 2013, a team of seismologists at the Georgia Institute of Technology re-examined data from the 2011 Virginia earthquake using pattern-recognition software and found a correlation between hurricane Irene’s nearby passage and an unexpected rise in the number of aftershocks

            ————-

            Aint science beautiful?

    • Grandmere

      Well, kind of. The Sun does not become darkened during a lunar eclipse. It is still doing it’s thing. The earth is the body causing the eclipse. The red color comes from sunlight diffused by the earth’s atmosphere during totality. The curvature of the earth acts as a lens to focus this diffused light onto the moon.

      • RodK1975

        What if you’re standing on the moon?… :-))

        • Grandmere

          If you are standing on the moon you are not seeing a lunar eclipse but a solar eclipse. The vantage point makes a total difference. Also which hemisphere you are standing in.

          • RodK1975

            Grandmere must be comically impaired this afternoon…

          • Paladin

            Nope just scientifically accurate.

      • Paladin

        Being scientifically accurate is always awesome, right?

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Do you agree that God said that Mary was a sign?

    • The mention of Mary terrifies devils.

      • Julie LaBrecque

        Must have sent him running for the hills.

  • No one knows when is a Jubilee Year. If you knew you would have showed the evidence. The link below you can watch Cahn on video admitting there is NO WAY to determine Jubilees. All these calculations then fall apart. Yet in his book he completely says the opposite:

    “of special note that this is 40th Jubilee Year since Jesus was crucified in Jerusalem. It is also the 70th Jubilee year since the first one was proclaimed by God. The number 40 is the Biblical time period of redemption. The number 70 has the Biblical meaning of perfect completion. So this coming Jubilee Year will very likely have very special meaning for mankind. Perfect completion of redemption”.

    Everything falls. God will not use Jubilee years, He is done with them and there is nothing in the Bible about using them for the end times. The only big thing is going to happen is your disappointment. I know you want a disaster to come to prove your point. But this is the spirit f fear acting in you.

    http://shoebat.com/2015/09/12/bombshell-jonathan-cahn-admits-his-books-and-his-the-jewish-calendar-forces-messianic-believers-to-deny-jesus-was-the-messiah/

  • Kelly ann

    I have not seen any propaganda against Protestants, is there any? I know the homosexuals and atheist hate them, but haven’t seen any hate pictures or nasty articles against them. nor have I seen Catholics produce such atrocities against the Protestants, less I be slow witted on the Internet.

    • AnthonyM

      No propaganda against them, just the Truth.

      • Kelly ann

        Lol! How true.

    • It is because the ones who make such depictions are of the devil Kelly ann.

      • Kelly ann

        Indeed walid!

  • brit-Ish means covenant? I knew Birit (Hebrew) is covenant but this is rather a stretch.

  • Now I am really confused. Which one of these is the “Christian”? And who in the world created this MESS? And why do I have to weed out who is who? Which one was the one Christ said was “His Church”? And if Christ is to choose a little from here and a little from there, still which one is the right one? Can you name it and help this confused soul 😉

  • Trevor

    Here, Walid, is one source of Baptist’s persecution in Virginia. http://www.brucegourley.com/baptists/persecutionoutline.html

    I cannot honestly explain why people continue to persist in creating outlandish attacks on the Catholic Church or making horrifying images that you have linked. Old prejudice dies the hardest, especially when there are Protestant pastors who would not honestly examine history, doctrine, and even the Church Fathers.

    • Marcos Filipe Guerra

      Yes. That is correct. Some still preaches that the Pope is the harlot. I got one out of the mud. Thank God. He was called an extremist by a fellow “christian” for saying that Islam is not a religion of peace. It’s really fear that holds them to that.

    • “I cannot honestly explain why people continue to persist in creating outlandish attacks on the Catholic Church or making horrifying images that you have linked.”

      It is because things are cut and dry Trevor. It is because these are the sons of Satan.

      • Trevor

        Have I disappointed you in anyway?

        • No Trevor. Never. Even if you did disappoint me Trevor. I have thick skin. I like it when folks are frank. Sort of like my friend Michael Savage. In my world anything goes but two: homosexuality and heresy. These two I cannot stand. All I said was that the hatred of Catholics is of the devil.

          But here is one point I’d like to make: why do you think that so many get offended that I say these guys (Hagee and Cahn) are hell-bound? Why does everyone get so aggravated? Is it:

          a-I should not be judge?
          b-nothing we do can make us lose our salvation?

          Few really get it.

          • Trevor

            Pride. Embarrassed that they got bilked, and when confronted with truth, many prefer to be angry and defensive instead of taking ownership, as I have when I realized what a fool I was for believing Cahn.

            It’s the same behavior addicts show when tough love are shown and they lash out, coming up with every excuse to justify why they want to stay an addict.

  • Trevor

    Now, did any of those signs happen? Yes or no?

  • Good grief Toni. And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth.” And it was so. (Genesis 1:14-15 ESV)

    The Hebrew word (in the singular) translated as “signs” in this verse is “oth” (H226) and appears 79 times in the Tanakh (OT). It simply means “sign” or “signal” as in the sense of “appearing”. There are many examples in the Tanakh as to what an “oth” is.

    YHVH put an “oth” on Cain, lest any who found him should attack him (Gen 4:15).

    There are numerous “oth”s of covenants mentioned throughout the Torah: the bow in the clouds (Gen 9:12-13), circumcision (Gen 17:11), and the Sabbath day (Ex 31:13).

    YHVH bringing the children of Israel to Mt Horeb was an “oth” to Moses (Ex 3:12).

    YHYH told Moses to perform certain “oth”s before the children of Israel so they would believe him (Ex 4). And the wonders performed by Moses and Aaron before Pharaoh and the people of Egypt were considered “oth”s (Ex 7,8,10).

    The blood of the Passover Lamb on the doorposts acted as an “oth” to avert death (Ex 12), and the unleavened bread that is to be eaten for seven days serves as an “oth” (Ex 13).

    These are all examples of signals, things that are seen. And these are just a sample of its use throughout Scripture.

    Many turn to Genesis 1:14 to justify looking to the lights in the heavens for either a gospel message of some sort, or an omen of things to come. But is this consistent with the entirety of Scripture? Is this something that we ought to be using them for?

    To Rule Over the Day and the Night

    And God made the two great lights–the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night–and the stars. And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. (Genesis 1:16-18 ESV)

    We’re told that two great lights were made, particularly for the rule over the day and over the night, and the stars. Their purpose is to give light to the earth and to separate the light from the darkness.

    Thus says the LORD, who gives the sun for light by day and the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar– the LORD of hosts is his name: (Jeremiah 31:35 ESV)

    All throughout Scripture we see examples of the sun being a light by day and the stars being a light by night. And we see mentions of the ordinances of the moon and the brightness of it.

    It seems clear to me how the lights signal the start and end to the day and the night. I can even see how they signal measures of time within the day and night as well as over the course of many days and nights, even years.

    As for signaling anything else, the only mentions that I have found in Scripture where the sun, moon and/or stars are used as a sign by YHVH are either as elements in a dream or a vision, or when something unusual happens with them.

    Elements in a Dream or Vision

    Joseph Had a Dream

    Now Joseph had a dream, and when he told it to his brothers they hated him even more. He said to them, “Hear this dream that I have dreamed: Behold, we were binding sheaves in the field, and behold, my sheaf arose and stood upright. And behold, your sheaves gathered around it and bowed down to my sheaf.” His brothers said to him, “Are you indeed to reign over us? Or are you indeed to rule over us?” So they hated him even more for his dreams and for his words.

    Then he dreamed another dream and told it to his brothers and said, “Behold, I have dreamed another dream. Behold, the sun, the moon, and eleven stars were bowing down to me.” But when he told it to his father and to his brothers, his father rebuked him and said to him, “What is this dream that you have dreamed? Shall I and your mother and your brothers indeed come to bow ourselves to the ground before you?” And his brothers were jealous of him, but his father kept the saying in mind. (Genesis 37:5-11 ESV)

    As we see here in the first dream Joseph had, sheaves bound in a field were used as elements in the dream to denote something, so also were the sun, moon and eleven stars used in another dream.

    John’s Revelation

    I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet saying, “Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”

    Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands, and in the midst of the lampstands one like a son of man, clothed with a long robe and with a golden sash around his chest. The hairs of his head were white, like white wool, like snow. His eyes were like a flame of fire, his feet were like burnished bronze, refined in a furnace, and his voice was like the roar of many waters. In his right hand he held seven stars, from his mouth came a sharp two-edged sword, and his face was like the sun shining in full strength. When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades. Write therefore the things that you have seen, those that are and those that are to take place after this. As for the mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand, and the seven golden lampstands, the seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches. (Revelation 1:10-20 ESV)

    While John was “in the spirit”, he saw one like a son of man holding seven stars in his right hand. It’s made clear that the stars were elements denoting angels (messengers).

    A Great Sign Appears to John

    And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth.

    And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems. His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it. She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days. (Revelation 12:1-6 ESV)

    I believe this to be a vision that John was shown concerning the end times. Some believe he was actually looking at the sun, moon and stars in the heaven in particular, but given the actions and physical emotions expressed, I do not believe that was the case.

    For example, in the first sign he saw a woman. Some attribute this to a constellation called “virgo”. But there is no mention of that constellation anywhere in Scripture, so how do we know where this “picture” originated? Next, it says she was pregnant and crying out in pain and agony. How does a constellation cry out or feel pain and agony?

    The next sign he saw was that of a dragon. Again, some attribute this to another constellation called “draco”, yet there are no references in Scripture to such, so how can we know the origins of this picture?

    Given the details of the woman giving birth to a male child, who is caught up to God while she flees to the wilderness to be nourished for 1260 days, it seems more likely that this was a vision and not some action being played out by the sun, moon and stars.

    As we saw in Joseph’s dream, the sun, moon and twelve stars are used as elements within a vision to denote something: a garment, a footstool and a crown for the woman. When we continue reading in Revelation 12, we see the “third of the stars” being swept down is referencing the angels that belong to the dragon/serpent/devil/satan.

    Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world–he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. (Revelation 12:7-9 ESV)

    Unusual Happenings

    A Sign Given to Hezekiah

    In those days Hezekiah became sick and was at the point of death. And Isaiah the prophet the son of Amoz came to him, and said to him, “Thus says the LORD: Set your house in order, for you shall die, you shall not recover.” Then Hezekiah turned his face to the wall and prayed to the LORD, and said, “Please, O LORD, remember how I have walked before you in faithfulness and with a whole heart, and have done what is good in your sight.” And Hezekiah wept bitterly. Then the word of the LORD came to Isaiah: “Go and say to Hezekiah, Thus says the LORD, the God of David your father: I have heard your prayer; I have seen your tears. Behold, I will add fifteen years to your life. I will deliver you and this city out of the hand of the king of Assyria, and will defend this city. “This shall be the sign to you from the LORD, that the LORD will do this thing that he has promised: Behold, I will make the shadow cast by the declining sun on the dial of Ahaz turn back ten steps.” So the sun turned back on the dial the ten steps by which it had declined. (Isaiah 38:1-8 ESV)

    Here we read an example of the sun being used as a sign to Hezekiah indicating he will be healed.

    Darkness on the Land of Egypt

    “Son of man, raise a lamentation over Pharaoh king of Egypt and say to him: “You consider yourself a lion of the nations, but you are like a dragon in the seas; you burst forth in your rivers, trouble the waters with your feet, and foul their rivers. Thus says the Lord GOD: I will throw my net over you with a host of many peoples, and they will haul you up in my dragnet. And I will cast you on the ground; on the open field I will fling you, and will cause all the birds of the heavens to settle on you, and I will gorge the beasts of the whole earth with you. I will strew your flesh upon the mountains and fill the valleys with your carcass. I will drench the land even to the mountains with your flowing blood, and the ravines will be full of you. When I blot you out, I will cover the heavens and make their stars dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give its light. All the bright lights of heaven will I make dark over you, and put darkness on your land, declares the Lord GOD. (Ezekiel 32:2-8 ESV)

    This is a lamentation over Pharaoh king of Egypt, which includes a sign similar to the plague of darkness performed in the days of Moses.

    Then the LORD said to Moses, “Stretch out your hand toward heaven, that there may be darkness over the land of Egypt, a darkness to be felt.” So Moses stretched out his hand toward heaven, and there was pitch darkness in all the land of Egypt three days. They did not see one another, nor did anyone rise from his place for three days, but all the people of Israel had light where they lived. (Exodus 10:21-23 ESV)

    The Day of YHVH

    Behold, the day of the LORD comes, cruel, with wrath and fierce anger, to make the land a desolation and to destroy its sinners from it. For the stars of the heavens and their constellations will not give their light; the sun will be dark at its rising, andthe moon will not shed its light. I will punish the world for its evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; I will put an end to the pomp of the arrogant, and lay low the pompous pride of the ruthless. I will make people more rare than fine gold, and mankind than the gold of Ophir. Therefore I will make the heavens tremble, and the earth will be shaken out of its place, at the wrath of the LORD of hosts in the day of his fierce anger. (Isaiah 13:9-13 ESV)

    This speaks of the day of YHVH, where the stars will not give their light, the sun will be dark at its rising and the moon will not shed its light.

    Blow a trumpet in Zion; sound an alarm on my holy mountain! Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble, for the day of the LORD is coming; it is near, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and thick darkness! Like blackness there is spread upon the mountains a great and powerful people; their like has never been before, nor will be again after them through the years of all generations. Fire devours before them, and behind them a flame burns. The land is like the garden of Eden before them, but behind them a desolate wilderness, and nothing escapes them. Their appearance is like the appearance of horses, and like war horses they run. As with the rumbling of chariots, they leap on the tops of the mountains, like the crackling of a flame of fire devouring the stubble, like a powerful army drawn up for battle. Before them peoples are in anguish; all faces grow pale. Like warriors they charge; like soldiers they scale the wall. They march each on his way; they do not swerve from their paths. They do not jostle one another; each marches in his path; they burst through the weapons and are not halted. They leap upon the city, they run upon the walls, they climb up into the houses, they enter through the windows like a thief. The earth quakes before them; the heavens tremble. The sun and the moonare darkened, and the stars withdraw their shining. The LORD utters his voice before his army, for his camp is exceedingly great; he who executes his word is powerful. For the day of the LORD is great and very awesome; who can endure it? (Joel 2:1-11 ESV)

    “And I will show wonders in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and columns of smoke. The sun shall be turned to darkness, and the moon to blood, before the great and awesome day of the LORD comes. And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those who escape, as the LORD has said, and among the survivors shall be those whom the LORD calls. (Joel 2:30-32 ESV)

    Proclaim this among the nations: Consecrate for war; stir up the mighty men. Let all the men of war draw near; let them come up. Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruning hooks into spears; let the weak say, “I am a warrior.” Hasten and come, all you surrounding nations, and gather yourselves there. Bring down your warriors, O LORD. Let the nations stir themselves up and come up to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; for there I will sit to judge all the surrounding nations. Put in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe. Go in, tread, for the winepress is full. The vats overflow, for their evil is great. Multitudes, multitudes, in the valley of decision! For the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision. The sun and the moon are darkened, and the stars withdraw their shining. The LORD roars from Zion, and utters his voice from Jerusalem, and the heavens and the earth quake. But the LORD is a refuge to his people, a stronghold to the people of Israel. (Joel 3:9-16 ESV)

    The Son of Man Returns…After the Tribulation

    “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (Matthew 24:29-31 ESV)

    “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moonwill not give its light, and the stars will be falling from heaven, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. And then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And then he will send out the angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven. (Mark 13:24-27 ESV)

    “And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress of nations in perplexity because of the roaring of the sea and the waves, people fainting with fear and with foreboding of what is coming on the world. For the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Now when these things begin to take place, straighten up and raise your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.” (Luke 21:25-28 ESV)

    These are three different testimonies of the same event. All of which are said to take place after the abomination that causes desolation stands in the place it ought not, as prophesied in Daniel.

    The Sixth Seal

    When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood, and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale. The sky vanished like a scroll that is being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slave and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?” (Revelation 6:12-17 ESV)

    This sounds to me to be a grand event…something that is fearsome to behold.

    The Third, Fourth & Fifth Trumpets

    The first angel blew his trumpet, and there followed hail and fire, mixed with blood, and these were thrown upon the earth. And a third of the earth was burned up, and a third of the trees were burned up, and all green grass was burned up.

    The second angel blew his trumpet, and something like a great mountain, burning with fire, was thrown into the sea, and a third of the sea became blood. A third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

    The third angel blew his trumpet, and a great star fell from heaven, blazing like a torch, and it fell on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water. The name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters became wormwood, and many people died from the water, because it had been made bitter.

    The fourth angel blew his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, and a third ofthe moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of their light might be darkened, and a third of the day might be kept from shining, and likewise a third of the night. (Revelation 8:7-12 ESV)

    And the fifth angel blew his trumpet, and I saw a star fallen from heaven to earth, and he was given the key to the shaft of the bottomless pit. He opened the shaft of the bottomless pit, and from the shaft rose smoke like the smoke of a great furnace, andthe sun and the air were darkened with the smoke from the shaft. (Revelation 9:1-2 ESV)

    Notice these events happen after hail and fire mixed with blood is thrown upon the earth, and something like a great mountain, burning with fire is thrown into the sea with a third of the sea becoming blood.

    If you notice all these signs particularly deal with the light that comes from the sun, moon and stars, and a few mention the falling of stars from the heavens. None of these reference names of constellations (with the exception of the star named “wormwood”) or the positioning of the sun and/or moon rising or setting within a particular constellation. They also appear to be major and unusual events, evident to all…not something that needs interpretation.

    Forbidden Practices

    Torah specifically warns against being drawn away by the sun, moon and stars, to bow down to them and serve them. The penalty for doing such is deserving of death through stoning.

    And beware lest you raise your eyes to heaven, and when you see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, you be drawn away and bow down to them and serve them, things that the LORD your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven. But the LORD has taken you and brought you out of the iron furnace, out of Egypt, to be a people of his own inheritance, as you are this day. (Deuteronomy 4:19-20 ESV)

    “If there is found among you, within any of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, a man or woman who does what is evil in the sight of the LORD your God, in transgressing his covenant, and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have forbidden, and it is told you and you hear of it, then you shall inquire diligently, and if it is true and certain that such an abomination has been done in Israel, then you shall bring out to your gates that man or woman who has done this evil thing, and you shall stone that man or woman to death with stones. On the evidence of two witnesses or of three witnesses the one who is to die shall be put to death; a person shall not be put to death on the evidence of one witness. The hand of the witnesses shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. So you shall purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 17:2-7 ESV)

    History teaches, after the kingdom under Solomon is divided, both Israel and Judah are guilty in engaging in such practices. My question is what does that look like? What does it mean to bow down and serve the sun, moon or stars?

    I am not in the position to answer those questions, but we know the practices of the nations that surrounded Israel included astrology and divination, and that Israel was continually susceptible to engaging in those practices. It seems to me that we ought to be very careful not to pick up the ways of the nations in which we are dispersed.

    When it comes to exploring “Biblical Astronomy”…

    I personally stay far away from it. I see nothing in Torah or the Prophets (to include the Book of Enoch) that encourages any notion of a gospel message written in the stars.

    Though there are pictures that some may draw with the constellations and a story that may be woven together that sounds familiar with what is put forth in Scripture, I question the origins of these pictures, and I refuse to be fascinated by them.

    While there is a single testimony in Matthew of “magi” (magicians, astrologers) coming from the east following a star to find the king of the Jews so they could worship him, I see no instruction given by YHVH to pursue knowledge and insight by those means. I believe we are to consult the Creator and heed the prophets, not the sun, moon and stars.

    When it comes to interpreting signs in the heavens, such as eclipses and blood red moons…

    Again, I personally stay far away from that. When YHVH performs a wonder in the heavens, it seems to me, given history, these will be highly unusual and clearly visible by all (such as black darkness for three days).

    I believe the signs concerning the sun, moon, and stars given by the prophets are speaking of specific events that will happen within the prophesied timeline. And I believe they are to be a signal to confirm what the prophets said, not something we should be seeking after to determine future events or to be seen as evidence that the Creator is for or against us.

    Let Them Be For Signs

    It is my understanding that the Creator put the lights in the expanse of the heavens to serve mankind for a specific purpose, and that purpose is put forth in Genesis 1. When we use these lights as signals for the rules of the day and of the night, or make note of the signals given to us by the Prophets as they take place, I believe we are behaving as the Creator intended.

    But when we begin consulting (looking for messages from) the luminaries, and seeking special meaning behind normal and natural occurrences, I believe we may be overstepping those bounds, and I would advise heavily against it. I personally believe it is better to err on the side of caution.

    As with everything I say, though, please pray for discernment. Don’t just take my word for it. I recognize that I can be wrong, despite my efforts for correct understanding.Always seek the Father and His ways through His word, and walk accordingly.If you see something that I have said that is in error, please lovingly correct me with Scripture. I would appreciate it, as I continue to grow in my journey for Truth.

    • Doc

      I’m curious as to your opinion on the so-called “trumpet sounds” people claim to be hearing around the world. Hoax? Demonic deception? First trumpet of Revelation? Nothing?

  • Trevor

    Is it God alone doing the saving?

  • 80% of the Messianic are what they call Hebrew Roots Movement and they deny the Trinity. Its no small issue and many are getting sucked up in this evil movement.

  • Why do you wonder about Cahn when there are a million Cahns? The reason they change the Cross for a stake is simple: to remove the “sign” of the Christian. The CROSS IS THE SIGN. Then they say that in Genesis that God created the moons for “sign” and then they go to Luke and say “then you will see the sign of the Son of Man” and they say WOW see, the moon is the “sign”. They are evil and they hate all edifice of Christianity.

    God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth.” And it was so. (Genesis 1:14-15 ESV)

    The Hebrew word (in the singular) translated as “signs” in this verse is “oth” (H226) and appears 79 times in the Tanakh (OT). It simply means “sign” or “signal” as in the sense of “appearing”. There are many examples in the Tanakh as to what an “oth” is.

    YHVH put an “oth” on Cain, lest any who found him should attack him (Gen 4:15).

    There are numerous “oth”s of covenants mentioned throughout the Torah: the bow in the clouds (Gen 9:12-13), circumcision (Gen 17:11), and the Sabbath day (Ex 31:13).

    YHVH bringing the children of Israel to Mt Horeb was an “oth” to Moses (Ex 3:12).

    YHYH told Moses to perform certain “oth”s before the children of Israel so they would believe him (Ex 4). And the wonders performed by Moses and Aaron before Pharaoh and the people of Egypt were considered “oth”s (Ex 7,8,10).

    The blood of the Passover Lamb on the doorposts acted as an “oth” to avert death (Ex 12), and the unleavened bread that is to be eaten for seven days serves as an “oth” (Ex 13).

    So if God said to have the stars and the moon for signs, these are markers for us. How do these people think God arranged the heavens for man to sail?

    Be careful of such evil people. They are not simply misguided. They are evil.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    The same day?

    • Grandmere

      If the two women in the race were both whacked on the same day we might have to bark at the moon.

      • Trevor

        OH MY GOSH! I almost spit out my salad.

      • Julie LaBrecque

        Would need some moonshine to do that.

  • I say A, you say B.

    • Grandmere

      He only comes in here after he drinks a Miki Fenn.

  • Your far too nice Vernon. Thats great. Stick around because I can’t handle these illogical folks.

    • I got you covered brother.

      • You got me “converted”? Am the bus driver. You’r Forrest.

        • Delta Rain

          LOL!!! After that, ya get shrimp. I think I’ll watch the whole movie again.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            It was just on the other night!

          • Delta Rain

            I was just doing the shrimp dialogue yesterday in the grocery store embarrassing my teen. LOL

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Funny – can’t tell you how many times I embarrassed mine!

          • This way they all jump on the bus driver instead of me.

      • Funny I misread the above “covered” to “converted”. See I am getting paranoid. Maybe I need the Haldol.

  • I am overweight and fat. When I say that the “fat one said”, it is a sign of recognition. In America you say “fat” and all the “fat ladies” begin to yell instead of sing.

  • Grandmere

    Virginia was named for Elizabeth I. She was referred to as the virgin queen.

    • Julie LaBrecque

      Walid is asking for the mop brigade to report up above.

  • Your full of crap Arvy. Now did I say something that is too far? And you’r so sensitive? It is a fact. What you wrote here is nothing but crap, dung, junk, nonsense and so stupidly foolish.

    And if you are offended at your stupidity its your own fault, sir.

    First learn the Scripture. What have you been doing all these years? Buying crappy books? Research. Think. Use your brains. I am sick of dummies who fall for wolves just because they read a stupid book.

    Lets look at Scripture CORRECTLY.

    And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth.” And it was so. (Genesis 1:14-15 ESV)

    The Hebrew word (in the singular) translated as “signs” in this verse is “oth” (H226) and appears 79 times in the Tanakh (OT). It simply means “sign” or “signal” as in the sense of “appearing”. There are many examples in the Tanakh as to what an “oth” is.

    YHVH put an “oth” on Cain, lest any who found him should attack him (Gen 4:15).

    There are numerous “oth”s of covenants mentioned throughout the Torah: the bow in the clouds (Gen 9:12-13), circumcision (Gen 17:11), and the Sabbath day (Ex 31:13).

    YHVH bringing the children of Israel to Mt Horeb was an “oth” to Moses (Ex 3:12).

    YHYH told Moses to perform certain “oth”s before the children of Israel so they would believe him (Ex 4). And the wonders performed by Moses and Aaron before Pharaoh and the people of Egypt were considered “oth”s (Ex 7,8,10).

    The blood of the Passover Lamb on the doorposts acted as an “oth” to avert death (Ex 12), and the unleavened bread that is to be eaten for seven days serves as an “oth” (Ex 13).

    These are all examples of signals, things that are seen. And these are just a sample of its use throughout Scripture.

    Many turn to Genesis 1:14 to justify looking to the lights in the heavens for either a gospel message of some sort, or an omen of things to come. But is this consistent with the entirety of Scripture? Is this something that we ought to be using them for?

    To Rule Over the Day and the Night

    And God made the two great lights–the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night–and the stars. And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. (Genesis 1:16-18 ESV)

    We’re told that two great lights were made, particularly for the rule over the day and over the night, and the stars. Their purpose is to give light to the earth and to separate the light from the darkness.

    Thus says the LORD, who gives the sun for light by day and the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar– the LORD of hosts is his name: (Jeremiah 31:35 ESV)

    All throughout Scripture we see examples of the sun being a light by day and the stars being a light by night. And we see mentions of the ordinances of the moon and the brightness of it.

    It seems clear to me how the lights signal the start and end to the day and the night. I can even see how they signal measures of time within the day and night as well as over the course of many days and nights, even years.

    As for signaling anything else, the only mentions that I have found in Scripture where the sun, moon and/or stars are used as a sign by YHVH are either as elements in a dream or a vision, or when something unusual happens with them.

    Elements in a Dream or Vision

    Joseph Had a Dream

    Now Joseph had a dream, and when he told it to his brothers they hated him even more. He said to them, “Hear this dream that I have dreamed: Behold, we were binding sheaves in the field, and behold, my sheaf arose and stood upright. And behold, your sheaves gathered around it and bowed down to my sheaf.” His brothers said to him, “Are you indeed to reign over us? Or are you indeed to rule over us?” So they hated him even more for his dreams and for his words.

    Then he dreamed another dream and told it to his brothers and said, “Behold, I have dreamed another dream. Behold, the sun, the moon, and eleven stars were bowing down to me.” But when he told it to his father and to his brothers, his father rebuked him and said to him, “What is this dream that you have dreamed? Shall I and your mother and your brothers indeed come to bow ourselves to the ground before you?” And his brothers were jealous of him, but his father kept the saying in mind. (Genesis 37:5-11 ESV)

    As we see here in the first dream Joseph had, sheaves bound in a field were used as elements in the dream to denote something, so also were the sun, moon and eleven stars used in another dream.

    John’s Revelation

    I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet saying, “Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”

    Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands, and in the midst of the lampstands one like a son of man, clothed with a long robe and with a golden sash around his chest. The hairs of his head were white, like white wool, like snow. His eyes were like a flame of fire, his feet were like burnished bronze, refined in a furnace, and his voice was like the roar of many waters. In his right hand he held seven stars, from his mouth came a sharp two-edged sword, and his face was like the sun shining in full strength. When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades. Write therefore the things that you have seen, those that are and those that are to take place after this. As for the mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand, and the seven golden lampstands, the seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches. (Revelation 1:10-20 ESV)

    While John was “in the spirit”, he saw one like a son of man holding seven stars in his right hand. It’s made clear that the stars were elements denoting angels (messengers).

    A Great Sign Appears to John

    And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth.

    And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems. His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it. She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days. (Revelation 12:1-6 ESV)

    So don’t be an idiot and think that these guys are simply just wrong. Isaiah 47 says clearly that these are wizards. And if you want me to expound on this I will. But it will be with additional insults. And don’t get back to me about “name calling” God does a lot of “name calling”. You are being led to the slaughter.

  • For the last few days I see this “Roo” popping up complaining. Why are you here then? You’ve been complaining this whole time. You know where the exit door is. You think I am looking for credit from some Roo?

  • Yes, we are all touché here. You don’t like it? You know where the door is. Its my plan to cut down on babies.

    • mspip

      wanting to “grow up” that is why some of us are here. as a former member of the worldwide church of God, will put a comment on this site soon. but not right now. need to meditate on that for a while. that church is no more, just some splinters around as it went to many pieces.

  • You see how snaky you really are? You vicious slithering snake. You complain when someone points a heretic and you defend him saying he is “Christian” and now you point your forked tongue at NCHokie02 saying that “you know nothing about him” without providing a single shred of evidence. GET OUT. GET OUT OF HERE.

  • theophorus

    Ahh yes, the ‘tribulation saints’ a whole new category of believer. Why did Jesus promise “In this world you WILL have tribulation”? Question. Is the entire 7 years all the wrath of God?

    • Julie LaBrecque

      Yet they ignore or know nothing of 300 years worth of ‘tribulation saints’ until Constantine intervened.

      • Trevor

        Thanks to the Edict of Milan.

        • Julie LaBrecque

          Based on this alone, plus all the martyrs since up till today, what makes anybody think that a Christian is going to be raptured from Satan’s attacks?

          • Trevor

            Boom!

            That’s why I asked several times, to whom is God’s wrath is poured out on, and to whom is Satan’s wrath is poured out on?

            Never gotten any satisfactory answer.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Never will. They can’t have their parade rained on.

          • Trevor

            One of the response I finally got was, “Where in the Bible does it talk about Satan’s wrath?” My jaws just about came unhinged.

            No wonder Christians, especially some in America, are so ill prepared for the tribulation.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            They have been fed lies since day one – and those who propagated and spread the lies WILL give an account.

          • Trevor

            That is why I could never become a preacher. The stake is just too high. It’s one thing to own up and say, “I was wrong in what I have said about so-so, and please forgive me,” versus, “I have been preaching for 30 years! I know the Bible inside and out!” so forth, so forth.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            I’m glad you realize how high the stakes are – I wish the millions of ‘self-appointed’ pastors had the same consideration as you do.

          • Trevor

            Well, I have often been told, when I was a heavy member of a Charismatic church, I was a man of God and a preacher. I still don’t think so. That’s why I like writing, reading, and researching.

      • Tom_mcewen

        Sure they do, they were all Baptists

  • Trevor

    I am potbellied myself and always tell my wife I am fat, and she always tell me I am handsome.

    It’s hard for me to respect a preacher who will not recant and own up to his deception. Now he’s already having a book ready to go since the blood moon mania is over.

    • Perhaps we can compare potbellies? I win. You lose.

      • Trevor

        It depends on the pant size. I wear size 38. You?

  • Trevor

    Then I guess we don’t need Rescue Christians to get those Christians out of those country and to safety.

  • Oh STOP IT. You came in here with your stupid scriptural lousy interpretation that a “sign” is the movements of the moon. You fell to your waist in quicksand and I rescued you and all you could think about is this? And stop with your “respectfully” stuff. You said that such evil interpretation is “fun” when it was absolutely evil. You folks come in here acting as if you are so nice. You don’t fools me with this piety talk. You know you were in grave ERROR and you’r not even appreciative.

    And look at what you did. Instead of admitting your error here is what you write:

    “Isaiah is saying not to consult people who use sorcery. Not that anyone who draws an odd conclusion is automatically a sorcerer. ”

    You folks are walking talking bucket of nonsense. First of all explain correctly what Isaiah is saying regarding the chaldeans who use the movements of new moons to calculate curses. This is EXACTLY what these evil bastards did and here you say “It is saying no sorcerer will save you and no magic will save you.”

    Is that what it is saying?You fools. It is saying that such a “stubble” and will burn in the fire.

    “I feel strongly that you have read too much into a verse.”

    You sound like someone who says regarding a church that built a golden calf and you would come in and say “you read too much into a verse”.

    Really? A verse from God is worth all the nonsense you said in your entire lifetime.

    “Pick me apart all day long.”

    I will. Because you are old enough and not learned.

    “Call me names even.”

    You want to see the “name calling” God and Christ gives, you white wash, dead tomb sepulcher?

    “I trust in God to get me through to the finish line, not Walid Shoebat.”

    What a bunch of dung that spews out of your fingers. You say you TRUST IN GOD. Yet when someone shows you what God said which is the opposite of what you said you go on with this empty talk of hypocritical piety.

    You have ZERO element of confession. Nothing. No brains.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Who told you that?

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Is it ridicule to state the obvious? This is PC stuff – exactly why we can’t say ‘it was a black man”.

  • Look. I give a fool 2 chances, no third. If you can’t work this out on your own then live in your error. You never confessed a single error, so why should I waste my time?

  • Trevor

    That is not what you original statement was about.

    Here is the question, “I thought GOD was saving Christians in Syria and Pakistan?”

    To which I ask, is it God alone doing the saving? You said, “Yes,” to which I then replied, “Then I guess we don’t need Rescue Christians to get those Christians out of those country and to safety.”

    Clearly you were not referring to the rescue mission, but now on the doctrine of salvation, correct?

  • Why do you people do this? “I contribute to Rescue Christians”. Even if I was the biggest loud mouth in the world, what does this have to do with rescuing Christians? Tell me? You say this is non-issue. If you look at several of my responses you will see that it is not so “small”. God bless.

  • Trevor

    What part are you confused on?

    Are we still to follow the Lord’s appointed feast days like in the Old Testament?

  • Trevor

    Thank you. Some people just get upset when their golden goose are cooked.

    • Paladin

      Buttered and stir fried.

  • Julie

    I read from some Catholic mystic source…that a lady said that the economic crash would come when Francis was still here and that he would guide us….right away knew it was false….and want to only follow God’s will and not seek excuses…but follow the way of the Lord…happiness in the next life…and I have had too much happiness in mine…so I go on trembling knee……..

  • Julie

    Well it is God alone Who judges….that is true.

    We have to keep praying for their conversion.

  • Julie

    One thing that came up on Sunday that P Francis addressed was apostle John going up to Christ and saying someone who was not His follower was casting out devils.

    So Christ said….if he casts out demons but does not speak ill of Me….so for me…the other test is how these who look at such astrology and other false predictions outside of Christianity because…

    Christ is the last of God’s revelation…His life, death and resurrection have been completed….

    And how these folks look back at other Christians as more serious….taking scandal at us….or others but themselves….

    I think false prophets have link with false teachers and they denounce other believers as the false ones….preaching and yelling from their pulpits and as you quoted, ‘there is nothing new under the sun’….with much hoopla they have discoveries and found out things nobody knows about.

    Well nobody knows about what happened to everybody on the planet after the blood moons went away………..

  • I prefer to use his weight, healthy or un-healthy. In other words, I never gave a darn about all this social western hoopla. He’s that fat guy and you’r that old lady sitting on a chair.

  • Trevor

    Yeah, I found that to be interesting. Never knew that the Baptist were the biggest driver for the separation between church and state. Now thanks to them, we have folks trying to shove religion as far away from the state as possible while the state dictates what we can and can’t do.

    But, yes, the level of vitriol toward the Catholics or orthodox brethren are disheartening, and this is coming from a Protestant.

  • Trevor

    “Who is being deceived? Does Hagee have a huge following

    among Catholics? Why does he get under your skin so much?”

    No serious Catholics pay attention to him except when he makes underhanded attacks on them. I remember a sermon he said about a “mother and child cult” which was an indirect attack on the RCC. He has made numerous errors in some of his books which I will not go into.

    He was the one who was pushing the idea that the rapture could happen before the final blood moon, and no rapture. So why should anyone listen to him? Unfortunately, he is a leading voice amongs Evangelicals, whether you are one or not.

    “Why not promote the positive aspects of your beliefs rather than going off the deep end over Hagee and Cahn?”

    Why should I resort to pop psychological babble that is becoming so prevalent among Christians today? If you don’t like the fact I am criticizing Hagee and Cahn as well, then perhaps this site isn’t for you. There’s plenty of site that would welcome you with wide open arms and plenty of smoke for you to inhale to be happy.

    ” I am a Evangelical Christian and know many people. I do not know a single person who is as interested in Hagee or Cahn. and the Blood Moonsas some of you on this web page are.”

    Oh really? Just from Amazon.com, it has 75% five stars rating, 3,080 reviews, it is #3 in Prophecies listing, #5 in Spiritual Growth, ad #5 in Theology Prophecies ranking. That tells me people thought he was right, and hence, a prophet. All the sudden now, Hagee is backing off, and has released another book, discussing the possibilities of what could happen in 2015 and 2016 so on and on and on. Meanwhile, he is getting richer from it all.

    “There are about 4,000 different Christian denominations world wide and some that I differ with on theological precepts. So, why would I want to feast on the differences I have with others when there are positive spiritual avenues I can follow?”

    This is the typical attitude I find so repulsive. Christianity have evolved into an all-you-can-eat buffet where one can pick and choose what belief, doctrine, and tenet to follow. If that’s the direction you want to go, just be warned, that is leaving you vulnerable to spiritual deception. This is the crap that is spewing from liberal theology.

    “I find the obsession with the Blood Moons incomprehensible.”

    Then why are you complaining about Walid, some of us, and myself criticizing it? Like I said, if you don’t like this hard hitting stuff, then this website isn’t for you.

    “The medical profession tells us that belly fat is the worse kind of fat healthwise. Since our bodies are the temple of the Lord maybe you should focus on that and forget Hagee and Cahn.”

    Thank you so much for being concerned about my health. I’m not that heavy, last weigh check I had was I am at about 195 pounds for a 6’2″, right in the range of healthy weight. I try my best to eat healthy and indulgence once in a while.

  • Rexlion

    Luk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven.

    Luk_23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.

    2Co 2:7-10 So that contrariwise ye ought rather to forgive him, and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one should be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow. Wherefore I beseech you that ye would confirm your love toward him. For to this end also did I write, that I might know the proof of you, whether ye be obedient in all things. To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ.
    One must be careful to not confuse idol worshippers who practice divination with Christians who, meaning well, misinterpret scripture. The former are under God’s judgment (and only He is the Judge) but the latter should be rebuked in love. Have you reached out to these brethren and rebuked them in love? Or have you judged them? To say that they surely will burn in hell is contrary to Jesus’ words in Luke 6.

    • Wow. Never heard of Luke 6:37 or 2 Col 2:7-10.

      So what else would you like to quote for me Rexlion?

      Would you like to also lecture me on how these people cause so many many sell everything, close there bank accounts since all is crumbling and they are ready to pack it up and hit the hills? You think these bastards (Cahn and Hagee) sold their homes and closed their bank accounts and are waiting at some ranch? You think I do not know con-artists is pastoral clothes? I am just some dumb guy awaiting you to sedate me with what you think I need? Oh get out of here. You think that you want to prevent an insult with an insult?

      • Julie LaBrecque

        This – from the guy that called you a spawn of Satan and a heretic. Unbelievable hypocrisy.

        • You always have these people with what I call booklet verses that they pull out when they think someone is not being nice. They are worse than Muslims. At least with the Muslim he tells you he wants your head. With these, they are stealth with their gospel of niceness when in fact they do not even know what nice is.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            He posted to me, when I tried replying, it said his post wasn’t active – it must have been removed. Rexlion is the one that said so much vile about you in an earlier article about Cahn and the blood moons stuff.

          • Kamau41

            Hey Julie-

            Here is the exact quote from Rexlion from almost a few weeks back since he has amnesia. He said some of the most vile/evil comments about Walid:

            “Let me see if I have this straight. He invited you to speak at his place, and now you pay him back by calling him names like “false prophet” and “cahn-artist”? What would that make you… a back-stabbing ingrate? Once again you exceed the bounds of Christian decorum by a country mile and show what kind of person you really are. Pathetic, shameless and disgusting! Only the spawn of Satan would spew such vile venom against fellow believers. “Touch not God’s anointed.” I shake the dust off my feet and will no longer cast my pearls before the swine.
            Any good you might have had in this message is completely lost. Anyone who has one theological hair out of place (in your overly esteemed opinion) is labeled a “heretic”. You snap like a rabid dog at fellow Christians. You need to be put down!”

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Thanks – I tried to post that comment, but the system wouldn’t take it.

          • FF

            He’s not very good at keeping promises, since he said he “will no longer cast my pearls before the swine”.
            This make him a l…..

          • Paladin

            I think he’s a Swine….which make him HARAM!!

          • FF

            In fact, Rexlion has some trouble in dealing with truth and knowledge, and that puts him on the wrong side of the proverb… unfortunately.

          • Paladin

            Amen to that, brother. He’s in denial of himself for being wrong the wholetime about the Church.

          • Kamau41

            These folks will unfortunately always be in denial. They are so blinded by their own heresies.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Liar – which is what he called me. Little did coy-boy know, I copied an earlier post of his to prove he did exactly, if not worse, than what he accused Walid of doing.

          • FF

            Bingo!

            Funny thing, I usually don’t keep memory from the posts, most of the times I don’t even have time to read them, but this one I remembered. I wonder why…

          • Paladin

            Its like reading some Ayatollah weekend rant.::–))

          • Rexlion is the fool who only lifts his fingers when he flips the pages of the Bible. You always know them because the first thing they do is quote Scripture and that all they do. It is Jesus plus nothing, Scripture alone, faith alone …nothing but the naked cross.

        • Paladin

          Dont worry, You can always use troll repellant at them.

      • Tom_mcewen

        I just walked in the passage where Kepler lived here in Prague and Kepler never talked about blood moons, and he lived in 1660s. He needed modern biblical scripture study.

    • Julie LaBrecque

      I think you ought to recall the character assassination you made of Walid – replete with vile names – spawn of Satan, heretic, etc. Did you forget or just brush it under the rug?

      • Paladin

        Need help in keeping the Trolls in line?

        • Julie LaBrecque

          Yes.

          • Paladin

            Got it! But I warned you my response to Trolls are mostly using NFSW languages. I try to keep it civil though.

        • Kamau41

          Thank you for your assistance. Additional help is always appreciated.

          • Paladin

            Naah, I love poking at trolls. Their reaction is always priceless.

          • Kamau41

            Indeed. There is no shortage of them these days that’s foresure.

        • Julie LaBrecque

          We’ve been keeping the fort down – where did you go?

          • Paladin

            If you ask where I’ve been yesterday ?Work, I’m not in America ( on the other side of the planet ), so I can only participate when most Americans are asleep ( different time zones ).

          • Julie LaBrecque

            A WAY away. Well, I think the fire is out here, Rex ceded.

          • Paladin

            What? He backoout? Just As I started getting my engine of destructions running? ::–))

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Yep – he bailed. Keep the fuel for the next round. What country are you in?

          • Paladin

            The one with the largest muslim population on the planet. You knew me by my other name, If you recognised me ,please dont spoil it here. Ask Trevor or Eric for details.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Say no more – got it.

          • Kamau41

            Hey, Hey….I recognize you. I will be sure to keep it a secret.

    • Paladin

      You know Satan is also known for being a nitpicking semantic legalist…just like you.

  • Delta Rain

    It’s the moon. God made it and it works a certain way, scientifically, with the earth, women and crazy people… Law enforcement, Emergency Rooms and husbands aren’t really that happy to see the “omen” of the moon every month. The only kind of church it should be part of is probably a werewolf church.

    • Paladin

      There’s a reason we call these false prophets of the blood moon and their followers LUNATICS.
      ( hidden pun really intended ).

  • Marcos Filipe Guerra

    Wise and very loving words. God bless

    • Blessings to you as well brother.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    They’ll need super axe for coneheads.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    We could hold each other’s hands.

    • Look at this guy. You offer him your hand and he says that you will be chopping his lousy head off. Julie, you don’t know these guys like I do. I went to church for 2 decades with these people. They are brain washed to think your antichrist and that they are the “true believers” and that you will chop off their heads. You think they joke when they say that? They don’t. This is why the praise God when you are killed.

      • Julie LaBrecque

        It is etched in their minds, this I know – I’ve listened to their barbs and insults since I was old enough to remember. Only a convert like yourself, having been on the other side, can appreciate or sympathize with the slander that so many Catholics have endured. I will never trust them Walid. I told you that you would need a submarine to endure. I’ve been in a dog fight with Bilbo – the guy with a clerical collar – on the UN article today, he is right in there with the rest as far as I am concerned. He keeps his profile locked so no one can read his comments – pretty suspicious behavior for a pastor to have. I’ll hang tight, too many miles behind me to look back now. God bless, I’m touched that you care.

  • Delta Rain

    That’s just ugly and hateful.. People who call themselves Christians need to check themselves when they slip into this much hate. This kind of stuff hurts other Christians, Our Catholic sisters and brothers. There was a post about Arab Baptists using a Christian Church and the comments were steaming mad because these Arab Baptists were in a Baptist church daring to speak in Arabic? Hello? This was from someone who had also shared a post about the Syrian Christians being denied refugee status. I commented “So are Baptists only supposed to speak English? Isn’t it possible that some of the Syrian Christians might speak Arabic too?” So much hate? It can wear ya down…

    • But they all say that I am “ugly and hateful”. Go figure.

  • NCHokie02

    I believe I did say I don’t know anything about him…..so thanks for confirming what I already said. Good job melissa.

  • Remember NC, its a narrow gate. And always look at the fruit. No fruit. Run. Ministry is not book sales. I was into that, but I quickly learned that this is not it. Books are great but we need to work hard in aiding the suffering. Always look at who is persecuted and there you will find true faith.

  • “Walid what are the believers going to be doing in America during the first 3.5 years when an antichrist rules the middle east?”

    You want my honest answer? Most will join him. You want to know why? Its simple: These in America mostly say that Russia is Gog, Rome is harlot, and Europe is Antichrist. That is what most of these so-called “believers” believe. So when Islam rises to strike these three the so-called “believer” will say “praise God. He judged Rome, Gog and Antichrist”. These will perish in their laziness because they will do nothing to help the suffering saints who will mostly be Orthodox, Copt, Chaldean, Assyrian and Catholic. You really have to look at it from Scripture and how the lazy servants interpret scripture and they will not get it. Prophecy is set up in a way that the blind and damned think they are “saved” and are not because they had easy believes and they hated the true church.

    Surprised at my answer? Think about it. Bounce it in your head a few times. Eventually you will get it.

    • Smith

      I’m not even a little surprised by your answer, but it sure does give a whole new perspective on things.

      I would add that when the Anti Christ comes, and so many over here start praising him, it’s going to separate the sheep from the goats in our own country

  • Also, see below the conversation between Winky and Julie.

  • Kamau41

    No, No Rexlion, Julie is not misquoting you. In case you forgot or delibrately brushed what you actually said aside, here is what you said:

    “Let me see if I have this straight. He invited you to speak at his place, and now you pay him back by calling him names like “false prophet” and “cahn-artist”? What would that make you… a back-stabbing ingrate? Once again you exceed the bounds of Christian decorum by a country mile and show what kind of person you really are. Pathetic, shameless and disgusting! Only the spawn of Satan would spew such vile venom against fellow believers. “Touch not God’s anointed.” I shake the dust off my feet and will no longer cast my pearls before the swine.
    Any good you might have had in this message is completely lost. Anyone who has one theological hair out of place (in your overly esteemed opinion) is labeled a “heretic”. You snap like a rabid dog at fellow Christians. You need to be put down!” So now tell us, you DON’T consider all this you said hateful, satanic, and even the absolute outright sick, vile, evil character assassination of Walid?

    • Julie LaBrecque

      See if he responds to this.

      • Kamau41

        I will keep a look out. His exact words are right there which is totally undeniable.

        • Julie LaBrecque

          I know – I remember holding myself back when he made the attack, I so wanted to respond then, but something told me NO. Now it hits him between his eyes.

          • Paladin

            I never know how you can keep this up, defending the Faith from trolls, without ever using a single “nasty” words.
            Clearly you are a better Christian than me. I still need learn a lot.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Nah – I’m not better than anybody else. I get riled after certain lines are crossed, then have to watch myself.

          • Paladin

            Well, Still you earned my respect for keeping your stand for so long.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Thanks.

        • Julie LaBrecque

          He flatly denies it – even went so far as to call me a liar. Little did he know, I copied and saved his original comment from the article, ‘Jonathan Cahn is a False Prophet’ the very day he made his blasphemous statement.

          • Kamau41

            I read it and responded to him. Unbelievable. What is even more incredible is that he claims to be “filled with the Holy Spirit” and yet says some of the most blasphemous comments I have seen. Very freightening.

      • Why have him respond. Just throw him off the boat, he’s a charismatic nut who thinks that God speaks to him in his dreams after he ate the #1 Enchilada plate the night before at the all you can eat Taqueria.

        • Rexlion

          Are you suggesting that God never speaks to you, Walid? The Holy Spirit lives within and speaks to every believer. He is our Comforter and Counselor. If you do not have the Holy Spirit, tell us now because that would mean you are not really a Christian. I await your response to this all-important question.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            This Holy Spirit that you speak of has divided Christendom in to 40,000 sects, all teaching different doctrine, and with no end in sight. Please explain.

        • Julie LaBrecque

          Send my Buenos Noches to him – I will listen for the splash.

    • 41, these are gods in their own mind. They tell us who is and who is not “God’s anointed”. Once you see this type of hype you throw them off the boat and keep rowing.

      • Kamau41

        Absolutely true Captain Walid…We are so fed up with these folks and I’m glad to help assist with throwing them off the ship.

  • Rapheal Sebastian

    It’s simple, these charlatans, use God’s word along with all sorts of permutations using astrology no less to come up with their false prophesies. These charlatans, abuse, misuse and do violence to the Written Word and thus do violence to the Living Word, the LORD Himself. They also bring disrepute and ridicule to those who call Christ their Savior, mocking the Living and Written word which they twist, contort and distort to their own destruction. GOD SHALL NOT BE MOCKED! Remember? How is it not damnation that awaits them, for clearly they abuse scripture for personal gain. Walid is correct a million times over and to use “judge not” against the truth of what Walid has said is in my opinion trying to whitewash the atrocities done on holy scripture and on the followers of Christ. They deceive while being deceived, and who is the father of deception? They are ruled over, owned by and carry out the deeds of the diabolical.

    • Doc

      I can’t be that harsh a critic. Anyone who says, “Thus says the LORD,” or “God told me…” and it doesn’t come to pass deserve the stoning they would have received in ancient times. When someone interprets incorrectly, I have to say “we see through a glass darkly” and we must keep looking for the truth while correcting a brother who is in error. Those who knowingly prophesy or interpret falsely in order to make money are another matter, however. I sincerely do not know if Cahn, Hagee, Biltz and others deliberately deceive or not, but if they do…WOE to them!

      • Paladin

        Look all of these so called “prophets” earn them billions…BILLIONS.
        Yes, you read that correctly, if thats not a Modus Operandi than I’m a fool.

      • Rapheal Sebastian

        Hi Doc, well at least let’s agree that there are several major offenses against God that they have participated in. Namely, astrology, date setting, deceiving, twisting and distorting the Written Word to suit their own narrative which obviously is for personal gain, thus greed. I do not subscribe to the softly softly stance of “do not judge” to me that’s a cop out for not calling out evil for what it is. Why do we not reserve the same criticism on someone when they come down hard on islam and all those that devoutly adhere to its teachings? Why then should we not come down as hard on supposed Christians that twist and do harm to the Living Word and bring ridicule to all those proclaim Him as LORD? Well they are heading to damnation, unless they repent and come clean publicly, afterall the Sacrament of Confession (Reconciliation) is not an option for them.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Investors? Enlighten us.

  • Kamau41

    But Conehead, the truth and reality is you are already and have been swinging the axe. Unfortunately, you are defintely on the short end of the stick!

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Winky – why do you say that? Do you have a heart in there somewhere? What makes you think I am capable of killing anybody? I ran over a squirrel with my car years ago and cried.

    • Rapheal Sebastian

      Winky just exposed himself as a SDA or SDA sympathizer. They all have this thing that Catholics are out to kill them. Problem is that NO CATHOLIC person even cares what they think or cares if they exist, but the Catholic Church fears for their souls. You don’t see Catholics making memes, photo shopping pictures etc. Seen lots of truth based memes by Catholics though, never one depicting any of the Protestant “leaders”. Remember that clown of an hired actor with the biretta worn the wrong way claiming to be a cardinal and saying the pope is the devil etc? Why does any religion need to go to such ends? Answer because it is false, they need to attack truth so they seem legitimate. Those insane people, Ellen G White, James White and John Bates are no different than the false prophets like Cahn, Hagee Blitz and all the other charlatans. All have been proven wrong but still their false teachings persist and evolve into more rabid strains..

      • Julie LaBrecque

        They talk out of both sides of their mouths – we’re accused of being pacifists while they also accuse us of being war-mongerers. They have to justify themselves by tearing us down.

      • I keep telling them that Calvinists are of the devil and they keep telling me that these say “Jesus” and are “saved”. I keep telling them that things in my world is cut and dry, you’r either wise or foolish” they keep telling me to stop insulting. I keep telling them to be careful of these prophecy experts. They keep telling me that we see the moon is red tonight. I keep telling them Hebrew Roots denies the Trinity and is of the devil. They keep telling me that they say “Yeshua” and we must show some love. I keep telling them that I wish to revive burning people at the stake. They keep telling me that this is backwards. I keep telling them this is God’s will. They keep telling me to look at the Bible. I keep looking at the Bible and they keep telling me to interpret their dreams, their tongues and their horse crap. Finally I give up to only realize that even the ones who keep telling me all these things, that they too are the sons of devils.

        • Julie LaBrecque

          Hilarious.

          • Just keep it in mind. These are not “trolls” they are sons of Satan.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Yadayada, I have most of Milton Friedman’s books, so I am well aware of the money cycle, fiat currency, etc. Free advice here – have real, tangible assets.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Which is worse – what Walid said = or what John Hagee wrote about the Catholic Church:
    “A Godless theology of hate that no one dared try to stop for a thousand years produced a harvest of hate.” There is more, much more from the horse’s mouth.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Would you care for a dump-trucks worth of vile from the man we shouldn’t call fat?

    Hagee’s attack against Christian antisemitism in his book Jerusalem Countdown claimed that Adolf Hitler’s antisemitism derived especially from his Catholic background, and that the Catholic Church under Pope Pius XII encouraged Nazism instead of denouncing it (pp. 79–81).[35] In his 1998 book he called Hitler “a spiritual leader in the Catholic Church”,[36] despite there being no evidence Hitler even attended Mass after 1918.[37] He also states that the Roman Catholic Church “plunged the world into the Dark Ages,” allowed for the Crusaders to rape and murder with impunity, and called for Jews to be treated as “Christ killers”.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Aren’t you supposed to love your neighbor?

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Jesus prayed that we all remain one – did you miss that verse? Jesus already set up His Kingdom, and he left a hierarchy in charge to run the kingdom until He returns, when all powers will be done away with, and He hands the Kingdom to the Father. Look to the Church that the break-aways broke from, that is The Church.

    • mikifenn

      There is a Biblical reference to spiritual divisions. Paul and Silas did not agree on a point and they decided to go separate ways. That’s what Christians still do.
      The Kingdom I refer to is the 1000 year reign of Christ that follows the Great Tribulation. That is when all our questions will be answered and Christ will be King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    We are instructed to always watch – so why are people getting rich from selling books that tell you to watch? Why does fear sell? We are told NOT to fear.

  • kensme

    Walid,
    Instead of September being the month whereby these evangelists become even more wealthy and famous in twisting the Word of God, they were taken down and the Pope was propped up instead by the Word of God. His speech at the Family gathering in Philly was so enlightening, it felt inspired through the Holy Spirit. He threw his prepared speech away and spoke extemporaneously with a moving and remarkable revelation of the importance of family as the outpouring of God’s love to mankind through creation. Even after brother murdered a brother, he said, the family continued. And Jesus did not come to earth to be in a Palace or Castle, he came to be in a family, he said. You could hear a pin drop there, and in my house. God is still in charge.
    There is a sight called locutions to the world in which a catholic seer in Scrantion PA prophesied that Mary said a great economic collapse would occur while Francis was in the USA — a sign that Mary was taking control of things. Well, another false prophet bites the dust in September. There are many more websites out there like Five Doves and Twelve books exposed . They are all scrambling now to come up with an excuse for their error. It’s actually humorous. Lastly, most have another thing in common besides being deceitful teachers, they dislike the Pope and Catholicism.

  • charliewalksonwater

    i was suckered into believing them. It sounded so true.

    • Doc

      “Take care that no one deceive you.” In these last days it’s very easy to fall prey to a lie that sounds good. I’ve followed the blood moons and Shemitah predictions, but I’ve also taken them with a grain of salt. You just have to keep looking at things with a critical eye, and always, be sure to test the spirits.

  • Paladin

    The False Prophecy, Conspiracy Theory and Megachurches are each Billions dollars industry.Go figure.

  • Paladin

    Noo, you just call him “rabid dog that need to be put down”.
    In my book, thats INSULT, you IMBECILIC DEMON SWINE.

    • Rexlion

      You’re absolutely right, Paladin, I should apologize for calling him that. What I should have said was, “Walid has been acting like a rabid dog, and unless he repents he may find himself put down by God.” Thanks for helping.

  • “Walid, why are you so defensive?”

    Actually its the opposite I am offensive.

    “The teaching of Blood Moons standing on its own isn’t false …”

    Okay, so have you packed your things, closed your bank account since the banks are join to fall apart, have you packed your beans and rice, have you scoped which hills you’r gonna hide in from all the wrath to come, or are you playing the hypocrite? Which is it? Tell me, what have you done to prepare for all the catastrophes and why have you not shared with us and helped us?

    “If someone is new in Christ and believes a lie, we should definitely share the truth with them in kindness and patience. If someone doesn’t search the scripture, pray or seek the truth, but continues in wrong teaching then, I believe they should walk away from that person and let God deal with them…”

    This is all that same talk I hear at the Calvary Chapel coffee late stands. This is all junior youth pastor talk. So why are we wasting time. WHAT ARE YOU DOING? This is all I want to know. I mean “WHAT ARE YOU DOING BESIDES TALKING AND TYPING”? What?

    “When I saw the title of your article and read it, I was upset.”

    Thats because you’r fickle.

    “If you were offended by my comment, I apologize ”

    I don’t like all this stuff about “being offended and sorry and this and that” I have THICK SKIN like an alligator. I am stubborn and nothing penetrates my mind easily. I think more like Noah where I am right and everyone drowns. I do not care who, how many, agree or disagree. It is then when one can link to the mind of God and NOT when we follow a sensitive crowd who know more about the verses of “do not judge” and such. Kappeeeesh?

    “This topic certainly is not part of salvation.”

    You see what you wrote above? Its nonsense. Its like saying that “this thus says the Lord is not part of salvation”.

    There is nothing in which “Thus says the Lord” that is not part of salvation.

    “A true follower that puts theirself down and makes Christ the priority will know when they grieve the Holy Spirit.”

    A true follower DOES and DOES NOT just talk.

    • Julie LaBrecque

      Where do all these Baked Alaskas come from? I’ve never known of so many people that are offended – at the drop of a hat. They would have never made it in the house I was raised in, nor in the life I’ve had to live constantly being bombarded by their nasty insults (but we really love you, we just don’t think Catholics are saved and feel we need to tell you that you are going to hell unless you come out)… Geez. These pansies are probably the ones that get their nails done every week and their faces pulled and their boobs blown up – they’re everywhere – and its sickening to me.

  • And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth.” And it was so. (Genesis 1:14-15 ESV)

    The Hebrew word (in the singular) translated as “signs” in this verse is “oth” (H226) and appears 79 times in the Tanakh (OT). It simply means “sign” or “signal” as in the sense of “appearing”. There are many examples in the Tanakh as to what an “oth” is.

    YHVH put an “oth” on Cain, lest any who found him should attack him (Gen 4:15).

    There are numerous “oth”s of covenants mentioned throughout the Torah: the bow in the clouds (Gen 9:12-13), circumcision (Gen 17:11), and the Sabbath day (Ex 31:13).

    YHVH bringing the children of Israel to Mt Horeb was an “oth” to Moses (Ex 3:12).

    YHYH told Moses to perform certain “oth”s before the children of Israel so they would believe him (Ex 4). And the wonders performed by Moses and Aaron before Pharaoh and the people of Egypt were considered “oth”s (Ex 7,8,10).

    The blood of the Passover Lamb on the doorposts acted as an “oth” to avert death (Ex 12), and the unleavened bread that is to be eaten for seven days serves as an “oth” (Ex 13).

    These are all examples of signals, things that are seen. And these are just a sample of its use throughout Scripture.

    Many turn to Genesis 1:14 to justify looking to the lights in the heavens for either a gospel message of some sort, or an omen of things to come. But is this consistent with the entirety of Scripture? Is this something that we ought to be using them for?

    To Rule Over the Day and the Night

    And God made the two great lights–the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night–and the stars. And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. (Genesis 1:16-18 ESV)

    We’re told that two great lights were made, particularly for the rule over the day and over the night, and the stars. Their purpose is to give light to the earth and to separate the light from the darkness.

    Thus says the LORD, who gives the sun for light by day and the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar– the LORD of hosts is his name: (Jeremiah 31:35 ESV)

    All throughout Scripture we see examples of the sun being a light by day and the stars being a light by night. And we see mentions of the ordinances of the moon and the brightness of it.

    It seems clear to me how the lights signal the start and end to the day and the night. I can even see how they signal measures of time within the day and night as well as over the course of many days and nights, even years.

    As for signaling anything else, the only mentions that I have found in Scripture where the sun, moon and/or stars are used as a sign by YHVH are either as elements in a dream or a vision, or when something unusual happens with them.

    Elements in a Dream or Vision

    Joseph Had a Dream

    Now Joseph had a dream, and when he told it to his brothers they hated him even more. He said to them, “Hear this dream that I have dreamed: Behold, we were binding sheaves in the field, and behold, my sheaf arose and stood upright. And behold, your sheaves gathered around it and bowed down to my sheaf.” His brothers said to him, “Are you indeed to reign over us? Or are you indeed to rule over us?” So they hated him even more for his dreams and for his words.

    Then he dreamed another dream and told it to his brothers and said, “Behold, I have dreamed another dream. Behold, the sun, the moon, and eleven stars were bowing down to me.” But when he told it to his father and to his brothers, his father rebuked him and said to him, “What is this dream that you have dreamed? Shall I and your mother and your brothers indeed come to bow ourselves to the ground before you?” And his brothers were jealous of him, but his father kept the saying in mind. (Genesis 37:5-11 ESV)

    As we see here in the first dream Joseph had, sheaves bound in a field were used as elements in the dream to denote something, so also were the sun, moon and eleven stars used in another dream.

    John’s Revelation

    I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet saying, “Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”

    Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands, and in the midst of the lampstands one like a son of man, clothed with a long robe and with a golden sash around his chest. The hairs of his head were white, like white wool, like snow. His eyes were like a flame of fire, his feet were like burnished bronze, refined in a furnace, and his voice was like the roar of many waters. In his right hand he held seven stars, from his mouth came a sharp two-edged sword, and his face was like the sun shining in full strength. When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades. Write therefore the things that you have seen, those that are and those that are to take place after this. As for the mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand, and the seven golden lampstands, the seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches. (Revelation 1:10-20 ESV)

    While John was “in the spirit”, he saw one like a son of man holding seven stars in his right hand. It’s made clear that the stars were elements denoting angels (messengers).

    A Great Sign Appears to John

    And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth.

    And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems. His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it. She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days. (Revelation 12:1-6 ESV)

    I believe this to be a vision that John was shown concerning the end times. Some believe he was actually looking at the sun, moon and stars in the heaven in particular, but given the actions and physical emotions expressed, I do not believe that was the case.

    For example, in the first sign he saw a woman. Some attribute this to a constellation called “virgo”. But there is no mention of that constellation anywhere in Scripture, so how do we know where this “picture” originated? Next, it says she was pregnant and crying out in pain and agony. How does a constellation cry out or feel pain and agony?

    The next sign he saw was that of a dragon. Again, some attribute this to another constellation called “draco”, yet there are no references in Scripture to such, so how can we know the origins of this picture?

    Given the details of the woman giving birth to a male child, who is caught up to God while she flees to the wilderness to be nourished for 1260 days, it seems more likely that this was a vision and not some action being played out by the sun, moon and stars.

    As we saw in Joseph’s dream, the sun, moon and twelve stars are used as elements within a vision to denote something: a garment, a footstool and a crown for the woman. When we continue reading in Revelation 12, we see the “third of the stars” being swept down is referencing the angels that belong to the dragon/serpent/devil/satan.

    Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world–he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. (Revelation 12:7-9 ESV)

    Unusual Happenings

    A Sign Given to Hezekiah

    In those days Hezekiah became sick and was at the point of death. And Isaiah the prophet the son of Amoz came to him, and said to him, “Thus says the LORD: Set your house in order, for you shall die, you shall not recover.” Then Hezekiah turned his face to the wall and prayed to the LORD, and said, “Please, O LORD, remember how I have walked before you in faithfulness and with a whole heart, and have done what is good in your sight.” And Hezekiah wept bitterly. Then the word of the LORD came to Isaiah: “Go and say to Hezekiah, Thus says the LORD, the God of David your father: I have heard your prayer; I have seen your tears. Behold, I will add fifteen years to your life. I will deliver you and this city out of the hand of the king of Assyria, and will defend this city. “This shall be the sign to you from the LORD, that the LORD will do this thing that he has promised: Behold, I will make the shadow cast by the declining sun on the dial of Ahaz turn back ten steps.” So the sun turned back on the dial the ten steps by which it had declined. (Isaiah 38:1-8 ESV)

    Here we read an example of the sun being used as a sign to Hezekiah indicating he will be healed.

    Darkness on the Land of Egypt

    “Son of man, raise a lamentation over Pharaoh king of Egypt and say to him: “You consider yourself a lion of the nations, but you are like a dragon in the seas; you burst forth in your rivers, trouble the waters with your feet, and foul their rivers. Thus says the Lord GOD: I will throw my net over you with a host of many peoples, and they will haul you up in my dragnet. And I will cast you on the ground; on the open field I will fling you, and will cause all the birds of the heavens to settle on you, and I will gorge the beasts of the whole earth with you. I will strew your flesh upon the mountains and fill the valleys with your carcass. I will drench the land even to the mountains with your flowing blood, and the ravines will be full of you. When I blot you out, I will cover the heavens and make their stars dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give its light. All the bright lights of heaven will I make dark over you, and put darkness on your land, declares the Lord GOD. (Ezekiel 32:2-8 ESV)

    This is a lamentation over Pharaoh king of Egypt, which includes a sign similar to the plague of darkness performed in the days of Moses.

    Then the LORD said to Moses, “Stretch out your hand toward heaven, that there may be darkness over the land of Egypt, a darkness to be felt.” So Moses stretched out his hand toward heaven, and there was pitch darkness in all the land of Egypt three days. They did not see one another, nor did anyone rise from his place for three days, but all the people of Israel had light where they lived. (Exodus 10:21-23 ESV)

    The Day of YHVH

    Behold, the day of the LORD comes, cruel, with wrath and fierce anger, to make the land a desolation and to destroy its sinners from it. For the stars of the heavens and their constellations will not give their light; the sun will be dark at its rising, andthe moon will not shed its light. I will punish the world for its evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; I will put an end to the pomp of the arrogant, and lay low the pompous pride of the ruthless. I will make people more rare than fine gold, and mankind than the gold of Ophir. Therefore I will make the heavens tremble, and the earth will be shaken out of its place, at the wrath of the LORD of hosts in the day of his fierce anger. (Isaiah 13:9-13 ESV)

    This speaks of the day of YHVH, where the stars will not give their light, the sun will be dark at its rising and the moon will not shed its light.

    Blow a trumpet in Zion; sound an alarm on my holy mountain! Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble, for the day of the LORD is coming; it is near, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and thick darkness! Like blackness there is spread upon the mountains a great and powerful people; their like has never been before, nor will be again after them through the years of all generations. Fire devours before them, and behind them a flame burns. The land is like the garden of Eden before them, but behind them a desolate wilderness, and nothing escapes them. Their appearance is like the appearance of horses, and like war horses they run. As with the rumbling of chariots, they leap on the tops of the mountains, like the crackling of a flame of fire devouring the stubble, like a powerful army drawn up for battle. Before them peoples are in anguish; all faces grow pale. Like warriors they charge; like soldiers they scale the wall. They march each on his way; they do not swerve from their paths. They do not jostle one another; each marches in his path; they burst through the weapons and are not halted. They leap upon the city, they run upon the walls, they climb up into the houses, they enter through the windows like a thief. The earth quakes before them; the heavens tremble. The sun and the moonare darkened, and the stars withdraw their shining. The LORD utters his voice before his army, for his camp is exceedingly great; he who executes his word is powerful. For the day of the LORD is great and very awesome; who can endure it? (Joel 2:1-11 ESV)

    “And I will show wonders in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and columns of smoke. The sun shall be turned to darkness, and the moon to blood, before the great and awesome day of the LORD comes. And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those who escape, as the LORD has said, and among the survivors shall be those whom the LORD calls. (Joel 2:30-32 ESV)

    Proclaim this among the nations: Consecrate for war; stir up the mighty men. Let all the men of war draw near; let them come up. Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruning hooks into spears; let the weak say, “I am a warrior.” Hasten and come, all you surrounding nations, and gather yourselves there. Bring down your warriors, O LORD. Let the nations stir themselves up and come up to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; for there I will sit to judge all the surrounding nations. Put in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe. Go in, tread, for the winepress is full. The vats overflow, for their evil is great. Multitudes, multitudes, in the valley of decision! For the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision. The sun and the moon are darkened, and the stars withdraw their shining. The LORD roars from Zion, and utters his voice from Jerusalem, and the heavens and the earth quake. But the LORD is a refuge to his people, a stronghold to the people of Israel. (Joel 3:9-16 ESV)

    The Son of Man Returns…After the Tribulation

    “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (Matthew 24:29-31 ESV)

    “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moonwill not give its light, and the stars will be falling from heaven, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. And then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And then he will send out the angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven. (Mark 13:24-27 ESV)

    “And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress of nations in perplexity because of the roaring of the sea and the waves, people fainting with fear and with foreboding of what is coming on the world. For the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Now when these things begin to take place, straighten up and raise your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.” (Luke 21:25-28 ESV)

    These are three different testimonies of the same event. All of which are said to take place after the abomination that causes desolation stands in the place it ought not, as prophesied in Daniel.

    The Sixth Seal

    When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood, and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale. The sky vanished like a scroll that is being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slave and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?” (Revelation 6:12-17 ESV)

    This sounds to me to be a grand event…something that is fearsome to behold.

    The Third, Fourth & Fifth Trumpets

    The first angel blew his trumpet, and there followed hail and fire, mixed with blood, and these were thrown upon the earth. And a third of the earth was burned up, and a third of the trees were burned up, and all green grass was burned up.

    The second angel blew his trumpet, and something like a great mountain, burning with fire, was thrown into the sea, and a third of the sea became blood. A third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

    The third angel blew his trumpet, and a great star fell from heaven, blazing like a torch, and it fell on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water. The name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters became wormwood, and many people died from the water, because it had been made bitter.

    The fourth angel blew his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, and a third ofthe moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of their light might be darkened, and a third of the day might be kept from shining, and likewise a third of the night. (Revelation 8:7-12 ESV)

    And the fifth angel blew his trumpet, and I saw a star fallen from heaven to earth, and he was given the key to the shaft of the bottomless pit. He opened the shaft of the bottomless pit, and from the shaft rose smoke like the smoke of a great furnace, andthe sun and the air were darkened with the smoke from the shaft. (Revelation 9:1-2 ESV)

    Notice these events happen after hail and fire mixed with blood is thrown upon the earth, and something like a great mountain, burning with fire is thrown into the sea with a third of the sea becoming blood.

    If you notice all these signs particularly deal with the light that comes from the sun, moon and stars, and a few mention the falling of stars from the heavens. None of these reference names of constellations (with the exception of the star named “wormwood”) or the positioning of the sun and/or moon rising or setting within a particular constellation. They also appear to be major and unusual events, evident to all…not something that needs interpretation.

    Forbidden Practices

    Torah specifically warns against being drawn away by the sun, moon and stars, to bow down to them and serve them. The penalty for doing such is deserving of death through stoning.

    And beware lest you raise your eyes to heaven, and when you see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, you be drawn away and bow down to them and serve them, things that the LORD your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven. But the LORD has taken you and brought you out of the iron furnace, out of Egypt, to be a people of his own inheritance, as you are this day. (Deuteronomy 4:19-20 ESV)

    “If there is found among you, within any of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, a man or woman who does what is evil in the sight of the LORD your God, in transgressing his covenant, and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have forbidden, and it is told you and you hear of it, then you shall inquire diligently, and if it is true and certain that such an abomination has been done in Israel, then you shall bring out to your gates that man or woman who has done this evil thing, and you shall stone that man or woman to death with stones. On the evidence of two witnesses or of three witnesses the one who is to die shall be put to death; a person shall not be put to death on the evidence of one witness. The hand of the witnesses shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. So you shall purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 17:2-7 ESV)

    History teaches, after the kingdom under Solomon is divided, both Israel and Judah are guilty in engaging in such practices. My question is what does that look like? What does it mean to bow down and serve the sun, moon or stars?

    I am not in the position to answer those questions, but we know the practices of the nations that surrounded Israel included astrology and divination, and that Israel was continually susceptible to engaging in those practices. It seems to me that we ought to be very careful not to pick up the ways of the nations in which we are dispersed.

    When it comes to exploring “Biblical Astronomy”…

    Stay far away from it.

  • “Too bad Walid can’t speak with your level of tact. ”

    Never will. I am trying to start a revolution where “name calling” is the norm. Just sick of this fickle society where no one can make Polish jokes and call a false teacher “white wash sepulcher dead tombs snakes ….” everyone walks on egg shells in this stupid peachy kombaiah culture.

    • Marcos Filipe Guerra

      You forgot drowning. Sodom and Gomorra. Future Babylon. True.

  • Wrong!

  • Jan. Why do you worry about accusing me? Do not worry. Be at peace.

  • So Jan, let us strive in finding the narrow gate. Shall we? Just look at the fruits: the deeds and the works.

  • Is Paul of God or not Dan? Jan does not know you as I do, heretic.

  • The WCF is of the devil. I no longer believe in gray. It is that cut and dry.

    • Rapheal Sebastian

      You are right, as a supposedly Christian declaration it fails the test of Christianity on the outset. You see the hand of the diabolical in it, yet many still subscribe to it. as do those charlatans of the blood moons and shemitah. Yet they still prance around pretending like they didn’t say what they said or worse still send out their minions to character assassinate those that have called them out on their fraud and some of these minions act on their own because they need to defend such apostasy and heresy to remain legitimate despite the glaring disconnect and continue to believe in self declared “God’s anointed” ones .

  • If you put on Google “Exodus 20:4” and “Shoebat” you will find what you ask for. Search.

  • The wise knows which nations are sheep and which nations are goat. The unwise will paint the sheep nations as goats and the goat nations as sheep.

    • Felix

      I am not sure if I understood your anwser about the persecution

  • You are a very wise lady, Star. God bless you.

  • “I do believe there is still some islam in you.”

    You rebuke me for deciding that these thieves are of the devil, yet you feel free to say that I am Muslim?

    The typical signature of a hypocrite.

    • Paladin

      Mr. Shoebat, this guy is really a snake dressed in Christian cloth. His intention to insult you is clear from the beginning, he’s just using sugary words to cover it.

      Aint you getting tired from all these mutants and their moans?

      Aint you a little bit suspicious at the amount of attack pointed at your comment section lately?
      And its always follow the same pattern? Its like whenever you or your son posted your opinions ( on Christianity or the Left ), all the crazies come out from the jungle. And they are very quiet on news regarding Islam.

      Its like a coordinated troll attack, trying to wear you and the commenters out.
      I hope this isnt like that. GOD bless you and your family, Mr.Shoebat.
      Keep on fighting. Amen.

  • Lidia

    If you watched him during the whole week, he spoke a lot about God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit! FAMILY was his main topic!

  • Lidia

    OK, didn’t know that.

  • mspip

    a little history lesson: re the worldwide church of God which was mentioned in this posting. it is now not in existence tho there are many offshoots from it still around. they kept the feast days, passover, days of unleavened bread, pentecost, feast of trumpets, day of atonement and feast of tabernacles. members were expected to attend these even tabernacles which was usually a good ways off from where we lived and necessitated living in a hotel for 8 days.if members could not afford to go church helped pay the way. was in this church from 1975 until it was changed up. actually they were judaizing tho they did not see it that way. all the members were expected to pay tithes -not just one- and offerings. there is more but will not go into all of it. presently do not attend any church. am glad to have this site and the information on it is sometimes startling. but cannot disprove any of it.

    • Paladin

      I dont understand what you are trying say. Be clear about what your comment are about . Try it to make it simple. Ok?

      • mspip

        this church was mentioned briefly in this article and i had personal knowledge of it, having been a member. only adding a bit of information about wcg. i thought it was clear–perhaps because i wrote it.??? but maybe it wasn’t clear. if wcg had not been in this days message, i would not have made the comment. will try to make sure in the future to be clear,

        • Paladin

          Oooh, that one, from South Korea right?The one that believed Ahn Sahng Hong is Jesus?
          I believed they are called “World Mission Society Church of God” these days.

          What a bunch of heretic weirdos.
          Luckly, you already got out of their clutch, thank GOD.

          • mspip

            you may be thinking of the reverend moon bunch. they were way out there! actually i was in the worldwide church of God led by herbert armstrong and his son garner ted armstrong. they were based in texas first and then in california. this church is no longer around. both these guys are dead now.

          • Paladin

            Ooh that guy…another heretic…teaching British Israelism. Same weirdos, full of themselves. And thank GOD you survived and escape from their clutches of false teachings.

          • mspip

            i did!! God is good.

  • Lidia

    The man of Sin comes from Jerusalem!

  • Trevor

    Thank you for your intelligent response. You have seen my words. Have I ever attacked any Catholics with the same tactic used by the anti-Catholics brigade?

    • Rapheal Sebastian

      No, and you have not, you to me are a honest Protestant who is keen on finding truth. It’s the lame brained pot shot takers that I am referring to. As in my comment to you, I find that all their prejudice is rooted in the WCF. And despite American Protestantism wanting to do nothing with it, there is a rote learnt element that is infused into the DNA that leads them to hate.

  • Trevor

    Because Hagee is a huge influence on many minds. I have stopped watching his broadcast for a long time. I got sucked into Cahn’s hype on the so-called harbingers without doing any fact checkings.

    It’s the same reason recovered cultists get so angry at cult they were spell bounded by.

    Part of having faith is defending the faith and that also mean to correct error. If the church have followed your line of thinking, the Church would not have survive the Roman or Islamic persecution.

    • mikifenn

      More people are led to Christ by hearing what Christians believe than by hearing what not to believe.. Take Mormonism for example. If someone came to me and told me they were seeking the Lord, it would not be helpful for me to go into a tirade about what I perceive to be the false teaching in the Mormon Church.
      Believers in Christ will survive. The Bible states that there will always be a remnant. Look at China, Russia and Cuba. Everything possible was done to stamp out Chrisitianity in those countries, but it did not disappear. Persecution actually helps spread Christianity. There’s an old saying that the blood of martyrs waters the seeds of Christianity. It was true in Korea when a Christian pastor and his family were buried alive because he would not stop preaching the Gospel of Christ. The family died singing hymns. Shortly after that South Korea experienced a huge revival in all denominations. The largest churches in the world at that time were in Korea.
      God is a powerful God. He controls the universe. At the appointed time, God will take care of his enemies. We need to make sure that we serve God with gladness in our and not anger in our spirit.

      • Trevor

        Poor example. Mormonism is a heresy.

        You want to take the soft approach, knock yourself out. When it comes to defending the faith AND combating error, it’s better to bring guns, ammo, knives, and if necessary when all other weapon are exhausted, fists.

        The problem I see with you is you take the gentle way when Christ came down hard on Pharisees for false teaching and burdening the flocks with burdens impossible to bear. When the disciples argued, Jesus set them straight. When Peter tried to prevent Jesus, he was rebuked. You think it was easy for Peter to accept that Jesus predicted his denial? He spent 3 years walking with Jesus and was told he would deny Jesus.

        When Saul was murdering Christians, Christ confronted him on the road, and Saul became Paul.

        When Christ return, He is going to come with righteous anger and in His fury, He is going to execute the ungodly without apologizing.

  • Trevor

    Because Christ has satisfied the requirements. That’s why nobody can agree on the Hebrews calendar. It’s because the requirement under the Mosaic Laws have been fulfilled in Christ.

  • Trevor

    So we as Christians shouldn’t bring them to safety? Is that what you are suggesting?

  • Paladin

    Good counter…Mrs.Star. I hope this would shut those Cahn and Hagee defenders in this comment section.

  • Paladin

    Be clear about what you want to say. Instead giving, a hard to understand, wall of text, a few clear understandable sentences are more appreciated.
    Just saying.

  • Paladin

    Go chug on some weed and eat more of your shrooms, you pathetic excuse of a hippie Christian. San Francisco is that way.

  • Paladin

    So you agree that Rapture simply happens,right? And there’s no need for us to be so obsessed by it and we should focus on the NOW, by helping as many as we can, mind, body and soul?
    If you agree with that , then you are one of the few that actually understand the bible.

  • Paladin

    Just because you and your group raised a lot of money for the cause of Shoebat Foundation, its still not ethical to “remind” him of that fact while at the same time “advising” him on his views.

  • Gottcha

  • Joel. Wise counsel indeed. All the poor people who closed their bank accounts and went crazy. These people are thieves. But as far as “falling from the body” (the church) I am beginning to believe that these were never part of the body.

  • Paladin

    Dear Arvy, I make this as simple as I can…..read
    Deuteronomy 18:10-12
    10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, 11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. 12 Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord; because of these same detestable practices the Lord your God will drive out those nations before you.

    The passages are clear…divination and interpretation of omens, including blood moon are sinful to begin with. PERIOD.
    NO COMMA. PERIOD.
    And the Church Fathers condemned the use of numerology like this ( divination and false prophecy ).

  • Get thee behind me satan.

  • Believe me mikifenn, I know your heart. I also know you have thick skin. I actually like you and I like your bold persistence. I have a mother like you. I always joke with her. To prevent her from falling and breaking her bones I always tell her “mom, if you fall you know where you will end up”. She answers “I know, the old people’s home”. She knows I would never do that to her in a million years. I just want her to try her best not to fall and hurt herself. The way I see this, its love. The way your culture might see it, its disrespect.

  • Why so many denominations? Isn’t the devil the one behind all these divisions? Especially when Christ said for us to be ONE?

  • Paladin

    “every believer will be going to heaven, so yes I am absolutely sure”

    The Devil : I have a special place for him just below the 1st ring on the 3rd block.

    “I do believe there is still some islam in you”

    The Devil : Cancel that, I reserved my private chamber for this guy, he’s hilarious.

    ” But if you like every believer has accepted Christ then you will also be there with the rest of us”

    The Devil : Nope, he’s going to be with me. Guaranteed. VVVIP.

  • I pray that we can all disagree as brothers and sisters every bit as much as we can agree. Only God has everything right. One day you may have to reach out to me. I would encourage you to do that. Be blessed.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    You disagree with a lot of Jesus’ words yourself – and you did EXACTLY what you accused Walid of. Don’t think I don’t have the post in which you lambasted Walid as an ingrate, a heretic, and a spawn of Satan.

    • Rexlion

      A dose of his own medicine. And Walid doesn’t need you to defend him, he’s a big boy with a thick skin. Be careful or people will get the impression that Walid has to hide behind your skirts.

      • Julie LaBrecque

        Your own words condemn you and prove your hypocrisy.

  • Rexlion

    I have a Juris Doctor degree. Eat my dust.

    • Julie LaBrecque

      Eat your own words:
      Rexlion

      “Let me see if I have this straight. He invited you to speak at
      his place, and now you pay him back by calling him names like “false prophet” and “cahn-artist”? What would that make you… a back-stabbing ingrate? Once again you exceed the bounds of Christian decorum by a country mile and show what kind of person you really are. Pathetic, shameless and disgusting! Only the spawn of Satan would spew such vile venom against
      fellow believers. “Touch not God’s anointed.” I shake the dust off my feet and will no longer cast my pearls before the swine. Look in the mirror: YOU are the heretic!” Hope your degree can help you out of this mess.

    • Paladin

      So you’re a shark….I wonder how many hearts and wallets that you’ve broken.
      “Eat my dust”—its that the best insult you can muster at me? Lame like your faith. Good luck scaring two bit thugs out of their money, convincing them your legit. Pfft…legit like your flippity flop faith.

  • I would be happy to agree that it is not pleasant to say divisive things, but again, if Walid must be guilty of that, then how much more divisive is it to make grandiose prophetic predictions that fail, and not repent? How do we do one thing and leave the other undone? And as I stated to Jan, it is the heart of the prognosticators that is in question, not merely their statements. If these men simply continue on with “business as usual”, what do you do with such a stunning prophetic failure ? What about the thousands of followers that hang on to every word these men speak? Where is the God that their followers were convinced would show up with “something big”? Let us deal with the weightier matters first, then come back to how naughty Walid was. But, I suspect that if we as Christians, actually held these men accountable for what they have done, it just might be that we would see just what Walid and Trevor revealed – that their hearts are far from God, and they are more into fame and book sales. Why attack Walid and let potential impostors go free? Let men such as Hagee and Cahn demonstrate genuine shame and remorse, which leads to genuine repentance; and let it be done openly, for they made these grand prophecies openly. If they do that, then you can call Walid out on his comments and/or the title of his article. You would surely be more justified in that regard.

    • Rexlion

      I can’t speak for Hagee, but I have heard Cahn at least a half dozen different times give the caveat that he was NOT predicting anything, that God could do something but did not have to do anything on the indicated date. Cahn always struck me as sincere, humble, and honest. To have someone condemn him and ridicule him on the basis of having heard him slip up (fail to say the caveat) on one occasion is incredibly black. So, as far as I am concerned, Walid’s base premise (that he is a false prophet) is totally incorrect; and everything else bad that he says about Cahn is founded upon that incorrect premise, too.

      • Very well brother. I will meet you half way and say that perhaps Cahn did not predict anything…but he DID strongly suggest that the Shemitah was attached to world stock markets; and he DID appeal to the masses that if they did not repent and turn to God, the potential for a market crash was imminent – and particularly on or around September 13, which concluded the Shemitah year. Now, inject that kind of teaching into the collective conscience of the western Church, and you do not have to predict anything, just catch a stroke of good luck and PRESTO! God crashed the stock market and Cahn is catapulted to super-stardom; but brother, where is Cahn’s Shemitah teachings found in prophetic scripture, and where is it found UNRELATED to the land of Jacob? Would God violate his OWN word by somehow superimposing a biblical, OT, Jewish Shemitah on a un-suspecting, secular, western culture through some flimsy stock market crash? Brother, where is the Gospel of Jesus Christ that saves and provokes true repentance? Did Cahn EVER inject any of it into his teachings, aside from maybe a scant reference to Jesus? If he did, the entire Shemitah teaching – as Cahn applied it – would be found as useless as it is false. If Cahn cannot be labeled as a false PROPHET because he did not “predict” anything, then he is certainly a heretical, false TEACHER, because he asserted an entire teaching, which only stoked fear of a financial catastrophe that God held in escrow for the promise of repentance. Let me be clear that no one can judge another in terms of their final standing before God – not Walid, me or anyone else. Jesus is the final Judge; but I ask, in light of all this, why is it that you clearly see fault only in what Walid SAID and yet will not apply that same condemnation to what these men SAID? If Walid or Trevor have upset your religious sensibilities, simply by calling out these men, then imagine how much more are hurt over the words of so-called “men of God” who have thus far, refused to repent or recant their false teachings?

        • Rexlion

          Hey, give me the web address for a forum maintained by Hagee or Cahn and I’ll go talk to them, too. 😉 But more to the point, are you new around here? I’ve been on this forum for a year and a half, and this is just the last straw in a huge pile of dung served up by Shoebat. For most of that time I have been gently leading, suggesting, posting scriptures to show the way. They have all been ignored. These people are not going to listen to the Word when it contradicts their own set beliefs or when it doesn’t tickle their itching ears. Shoebat has repeatedly posted virulent statements and misleading headlines. I’ve finally lost my cool and said things I should not have said. But now I’m out of here. You will get out too, if you don’t want your mind polluted. They will call you the most horrible names and gossip about you behind your back, if you contradict them. Leave Shoebat and his acolytes to their little online ‘bless Walid’ church.

          • Clearly you speak of matters that run deeper than just the issue of this article.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Nice dance.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Used your exact words.

    • Rexlion

      No, you did not, you liar. But I expect no better from someone who has admitted that she does not have the Holy Spirit… you said the Holy Spirit is only for the Church, and you were half right because He is for every member of the Church and you aren’t in it.

      • Julie LaBrecque

        Copied and Pasted from Disqus 19 days ago

        Jonathan Cahn Is A False Prophet

        Rexlion • 2
        hours ago

        Let me see if I have this straight. He invited you to speak at
        his place, and now you pay him back by calling him names like “false
        prophet” and “cahn-artist”? What would that make you… a
        back-stabbing ingrate? Once again you exceed the bounds of Christian decorum by
        a country mile and show what kind of person you really are. Pathetic, shameless
        and disgusting! Only the spawn of Satan would spew such vile venom against
        fellow believers. “Touch not God’s anointed.” I shake the dust off my
        feet and will no longer cast my pearls before the swine. Look in the mirror:
        YOU are the heretic!

        This was copied and pasted from your original post. If you have a beef with it, you better take it up with Disqus.

        • Some nice array of words. Now you are a “liar”. What a blessing we got from a guy named Rex. I got the lion share of blessings from the guy filled with “the Holy Spirit”. The only thing this Rex is filled with is crap.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            He is full of himself – little did he know I copied and saved his vile post that night in it’s original form – something inside me knew that this little bean would peek in again someday thinking the dust had settled and no one would be the wiser.

          • Good for you. I never really knew all he said about me. I got used to it though. When I get a hundred or so of these abusive comments it gets tiring. They are so bothered because I said that Hagee and Cahn are hell-bound. The reason they get bothered is that they think “how dare you say that such sinners are hell-bound. One can sin a million times and since once saved always saved”. If I was the devil this is exactly what I will teach.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            By then, he had already roughed me up a bit so I went in to stealth mode and just watched his words and moves, it all bit him in the end.

          • Kamau41

            Awesome Julie. I remember very well of this guy a few weeks back too of some of the most vile and hateful comments he said on the other article on Johnathon Cahn.

          • Kamau41

            He is full of pride which has led him to his great fall.

          • Kamau41

            Absolutely unbelievable Walid. He has the nerve to call Julie a “liar” when the evidence is crystal clear of what he wrote. Utterly despicable….

      • Are you “filled with the Holy Spirit” Rex?

        • Julie LaBrecque

          He jumped ship, see comment to me below – the coward couldn’t face you so he left notice with the LIAR.

      • Julie LaBrecque

        Do you always twist words? The Holy Spirit was promised to the CHURCH – the Institutional Church – to remind them of everything Jesus spoke to the THEM.

        • Rexlion

          BINGO, if you don’t have the Holy Spirit, you are not even born again. Jesus said you MUST be born again. You need to read the entire Book of Acts. The Holy Spirit is promised to all whom the Lord shall call, Acts 2:38-39. Note as you read Acts how many times average, run-of-the-mill people received Christ and immediately received the Holy Spirit indwelling them.
          With that, I bid you all adieu. I don’t knowingly hang out with unbelievers.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Don’t even start on that crap – ‘born again’ in the very context was about BAPTISM – WATER BAPTISM – of which BABIES can have given so they are spared from the DEVIL – you evil people leave your children unprotected as children of ADAM. God doesn’t make this stuff hard – from the VERY beginning THE SPIRIT HOVERED OVER THE WATERS – GET IT YET? Understand why Jesus chided Nicodemus? How many episodes are there in the OT of the SPIRIT hovering over the waters? The Red Sea Crossing? Noah’s Ark? What happened when Jesus entered the Jordan River? Do you remember? “And corresponding to this, BAPTISM NOW SAVES YOU.” 1 Peter 3:21

          • Kamau41

            So now you are bailing out because people like you can’t stand being rebuked? With that said now you are getting the triple dose of your own medicine.

      • Kamau41

        Now you are calling Julie a liar? Really? Really? We both copied and pasted the vile slanders and the most hated and evil things you have said yourself from the most recent past. The evidence is quite clear of YOUR very hateful/evil comments.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    With the protestant doctrine of Sola Scriptura and the belief that EACH person can interpret scripture for themselves, you have no right to state that JWs or Mormons are clearly wrong and heretical without admitting that your sect and all others can be said to be clearly wrong and heretical. All this division of tens of thousands of sects, all differing doctrine, beliefs, and practices, stems from the arch-rebel Martin Luther throwing THE CHURCH out of the equation, which I remind YOU that the CHURCH is the pillar and bulwark of truth, per 1 Tim 3:15.

  • Trevor

    Relates to after the Second Coming when Christ is established as a King for forever.

  • Paladin

    Amen and Shalom to you too. Unfortunately for false prophets, mega churches , rapture-addicts and conspiracy theorist….greed is their god. All of those are really BILLION DOLLAR industries. Apperantly one doesnt need to become a drug lord to earn that much wealth based on the sufferings of people.
    You can try this at your own risk, to see the extend of the corruption of the soul in these people, Brother Raoul, next time you see a megachurch preacher setting up a revival at your local place/church, rebuke him in public….during the revival. You know the devil is working when he refused to answer your question straight and tried to worm out from the debate.

  • The way it works Woldesenbet is that you find where we erred in our articles on them. Show the quote and prove why we erred. Okay?

  • Paladin

    Read their books,Okay? I’m too tired to answer an obvious question.
    Also, Hagee and Cahn said the blood moon will be the beginning of the apocalypse, as anybody know the apocalypse has a connection to the anti Christ, then you know what I’m talking about. For the entire detail, just buy their books or better pirate it via the internet, since buying their books means supporting them to become richer.
    There’s also numerous youtube videos that interview these false prophets. Watch it!!!
    Also read Walid Shoebat entire explanation. Its there…read it, you lazy disciple.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    It’s like they’ve turned everything inside out then tell the right side that they’re the wrong side.

  • Kamau41

    “But no thanks to you for misrepresenting what was said”
    No, this totally proves your own hypocrisy.
    “If Walid does not wish to be counted as such, he need only repent. I issued a strong rebuke for his judgmentalism and gave him a small dose of his own name-calling medicine to show him how it feels.”
    So, it’s ok for you to rebuke(without evidence), but it’s not ok for Walid to correct rebuke(with evidence)? You see how stupid and idiotic that sounds? This proves you are an absolute vile slanderer and you have given yourself a triple dose of your own medicine.

  • Tom_mcewen

    I hate to waste my comment but there is no indictment, there is no such court, there are no judges, there is just a defrocked church of Canada minister. For Vatican city the pope you speak of lives in a village 30 minutes by helicopter. Do you guys ever use facts?

    • Julie LaBrecque

      Why would they use facts – fiction is so much more fun, plus you can rake in a lot of dough selling it.

  • SwampLife2002

    I bet you use the NIV Bible, two professed lesbians were on the panel that interpreted that version and you won’t find Matthew 18:11 in there, they removed it… And much more

  • Your right, at times we all go “holy crap” at all of our remarks.

  • When they denounce the Trinity Dan. Do you believe in the Trinity?

  • Okay great. You seem to know what God wants to show us as if you have His private number. One can find anything on Wikipedia to find some important event fifty years prior from Israel recapturing the land and say BINGO.

  • Stand in the long line behind the rest who want to take a nip.

  • Good, then go nip at someone else there are plenty of heathens so go get them instead. Okay? Now you can say “no thanks” all you want. In other words, your attempt to nab me just failed miserably. I am not your chicken to peck I carry a baseball bat and I swing so make sure next time you stay out of my way.

  • “No thanks” really hurt your feelings? That’s hard to figure.”

    No it didn’t. It takes a lot to hurt my feelings. Actually I like folks who talk straight and tough.

    “Btw, I’m not commenting for your sake.”

    Now that hurts my feelings.

    “The only reason I engaged you was to show anyone who reads this what you really stand for and some obvious differences between that and what God has said in scripture. In that I have succeeded.”

    Great. Congratulations for your success. But it is you and a hundred others whom I read and they all say the same stuff. Do you have anything new to share from under the sun? Did you close your bank accounts and packed up since banks and stock market and everything is crashing?

    Here is what this fat guy did on Sept 28th, the day of the Blood Moon:

    https://www.facebook.com/JohnHageeMinistries/photos/pb.64742342517.-2207520000.1443637388./10153777526232518/?type=3&theater

    • Julie LaBrecque

      Priceless!

  • Doc

    To my mind this part of the Bible should permanently put to rest the claim of the “Judaizers” that we should all return to the Jewish ways even as Christians. I hope I am remembering this correctly and not slandering the man: but I have read or heard on occasion that Mark Biltz has an “agenda” to make the Christian church more like the Jewish religion, even returning to observance of the Jewish feasts, etc. And I wonder sometimes if the true agenda of things like the blood moons and the shemitah are part of a conspiracy to “Judaize” the Christian religion.

  • Doc

    This is just my humble opinion, but when Jesus said He came to fulfill the law, He meant that He came to fulfill it for all time knowing that we as imperfect sinners would never be able to. If I am wrong please show me scripturally.

    With regard to whether or not there might be something to the shemitah curse or not, I offer this:

    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/this-is-for-the-nothing-is-happening-crowd

    The authors of that article contend that there WAS a substantial financial collapse this year when the stock market took a drastic plunge in August, and that financial markets all over the world are falling. Added to that, there seems to be a downward trend, the ill effects of which we have yet to experience fully.

    Does it have anything to do with the blood moons or shemitah? Who can say. We have to be careful not to fall into the trap of “after this therefore because of this”. It could be a coincidence, or it could be there is a pattern to the markets that just happens to result in financial disasters tending to occur in the fall.

    Whatever the case…something IS going on. Our world, our civilization..is beginning to strain under the pressure of SOMETHING. Perhaps we should start looking at it in terms of the BIRTH PANGS instead of blood moons or shemitahs?

  • Trevor

    Then your talents which were entrusted to you will be taken away from you. Those are the words of Christ as a warning to the lazy servant.

  • SwampLife2002

    That is good to know, and I get what you are saying we just have to be in the Word so we can discern to spirits

  • SwampLife2002

    Good!!

  • Trevor

    Calling me a brown shirt means what I said struck a nerve.

    Jesus plainly laid out how He will judges upon His return in Matthew 25:

    31 “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; 33 and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.

    34 “Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; 36 naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.’ 37 Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink? 38 And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You? 39 When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 The King will answer and say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.’

    41 “Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; 42 for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink; 43 I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.’ 44 Then they themselves also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not [e]take care of You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

    Thus, your problem lies not with me but with Christ Himself.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Winky – where do you get this stuff? #1 – The Pope is NOT Christ on earth. The Pope is the earthly head of the Church – he is the Vicar of Christ. The Temple Tax Collectors knew that Peter was Christ’s representative – why don’t you?. #2 – We are not allowed to do anything contrary to the moral law. The Pope/Church only promulgates doctrine on faith and morals. #3 – Hislop/Boettner/Chick mania – nothing but lies, but fun reading for inquiring minds. #4 – no doubt, your comic strip.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    If it says it ‘time after time’, please provide all the verses.

  • Tom_mcewen

    We are in Europe, we have courts, judges and juries. This is the same person who claim pope Francis killed and ate a baby. This guy is one of yours. You people are insane.

  • History is a wonderful ally to authentic Christianity, but is a cruel mistress to charlatans, isn’t it?

  • Kelly ann

    I’ve read about that one years ago! Steven, I do know the Protestants used it as the sole basis of their propaganda smear campaign to support the gnostic cathars. It’s in a history scholar book I own, have to look it up again!
    You do realize that the Cathers were demonic right! One story I read, they try to starve a baby to death, but the Mother caved and put a stop to it. Good for the mother. They were very pro ( post abortionist ) kill the baby after its born, by starvation . such is the new movement today rising up in universities.
    They believe that your body was made by the devil it was evil the world was evil, matter is evil. Where as non matter is not evil. It’s a derivative from a pagan ideology and suits a more Mormon ideology! And if course the Scientology of Hollywood movie stars.
    And Protestant propagandist support it, expressing their compassion for the poor Cathers and their wicked paganism. Read a Cather book written by a Protestant historian once, it’s pages were filled with such biased lies , just like watching the major news media today.
    And by the way Protestants didn’t exist in those days , so this is a very poor example you use here, to profess propaganda against Protestants from Catholics, when in fact this was invented by Protestants to be use as progaganda against Catholics !

    Any others? Try and find something that pertains to Catholics printing up progaganda against Protestants at least 1517 to present day, this is by the way what the Church calls the modern age!

  • Kelly ann

    is this another Protestant lie?

    Where’s your proof that the RCC is the antichrist ? Aka profane propaganda?

    Blamed for things such as the Spanish inquisiton ? Church had no dealings with that , as a matter of fact the Pope sent in men to put a stop to what the magistrate of the monarchy was doing who was in control of it ! The inquisition was never about torturing people, it was about investigating people of there accusations and protecting them from the torture dungeons of their Lords. There is currently a massive under taking of historical scholars sifting through the registers of the inquisiton as we speak!

    Show me some propaganda Catholics produced invented by Catholics on Protestants .

    • WinkyVonTrollStuffer

      Lol,
      How did Savanarola die?
      John Wycliffe?
      Who was the leader of the Jesuits? Why were they formed?

      Ever heard of Borgia?

      John Tetzel?

      Listen, RCC is a wicked money grubbing, child molesting Antichrist led organization.

      Jesus wants your love not your membership in a group of wackos. The RCC is so obviously a non Christian organization its amazing to me anybody accepts any of their nonsense.

      According to Timothy, church leadership is to be comprised of MARRIED men with well behaved children and good reputation.

      RCC leadership, Not Married no legitimate kids, rife with sexual perverts and kiddy rapers.

      Bible sais “call no man Father”, what do you call a RCC priest?

      Corinthians sais toss out the sexual perverts among you, the RCC has a systematic plan to hide transfer and protect the kiddy rapers in its priesthood.

      ” Silver and gold have I none”
      RCC is the largest holder of bullion in the world.

      I could go on but I won’t, NO person who truly loves Christ can be a member of the RCC anymore than they could be a communist or a Nazi.

  • Oh stop your nonsense. A kid can easily refute this crap. You people keep manipulating the Bible to no avail, always coming up with new fanciful ideas that were addresses long ago acting as if it was a new discovery. Your whole goal is to start off by denying the Cross as the real symbol. You do not disclose your hatred of Paul. Here is your evil comment that you posted elsewhere:

    “Tim Netherwood on March 29, 2013 at 18:26

    I can agree with Scott above regarding the original gospels from the 1st century. Dr Woodard book is fascinating indeed. It throws a curve ball at many liberal scholars who have really bothered to investigate this very old manuscript containing the 4 gospels signed and sealed with the authors and scribes.

    Interesting to that he easily explains some mysteries as to why Saul so easily goes against Yeshua’s teaching. Paul never knew of the existence of these gospel recording Yeshua’s words, but the Galatians and Corinthians did! So that is why he thought some other gospel was being preached – not his won false one but the truth. Eventually Paul came around to accepting the gospels, by the time he wrote Ephesians hopefully… I’m still reading the mighty book as well as the One New Man bible.”

    It is always the same crap attacking Paul as if he was an idiot when you’r the idiot. Enough with your nonsense. Its time to refute it. I will tend to this issue.

  • Kelly ann

    Aw I found it! The words kill them all God will know his now, scholars and historians attributed it too propaganda invented. It has been endlessly repeated as catholic bloodthirstiness, case closed.

    Look allow me to word my Question, differently, seeing you don’t get my meaning to my question which is …….is there any propaganda invented by Catholics against Protestants?

    Instead how about we go it a different way, shall we!
    The eight commandment rule :
    Where has there been documented that Catholics have beared false witness ( that is tell false stories such as you have pointed out that Protestants tell about Catholics ) against the Protestants?

    All you have been showing me is the false witness Protestants and atheist bear against Catholics. This is it what I ask , are you daft like a garden nome ? I already know these exist , I don’t need your answer concerning these. Man I would not want to see you in a towels test.

  • Kelly ann

    Huh! who is Bill Clinton ? What you gonna put words in my mouth now about people I don’t know! This is such a stupid reply!

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Is having gold a sin? Is having money a sin? Does the Pope take the gold for himself? Luckily for the benefit of the Jews, the Vatican had gold and gave what the Jews were lacking when they collected from their own people during WWII. Did not the OT state that the wealth of the nations would flow to the Church? (and that has more than one meaning).

    • “Is having gold a sin?”

      Only if it is in the Vatican and not in the Pope’s duffle bag. 700Club, CBN and all others its okay so long its in their duffle bag.

      I hope this clears the matter.

      • Julie LaBrecque

        Thanks for straightening me out! 🙂

    • You’r still dealing with that smurf?

      • Julie LaBrecque

        Of course, his heresy has not yet been squashed. Cyril remained on Nestorius’ trail until it was squashed and Nestorius condemned.

  • Paladin

    Wrong, The nation with the largest amount of gold reserves are the USA, in Fort Knox.
    The Vatican Bank isn’t even among the 20 largest bank list. The honor if the largest bank goes to ICBC in China.
    Please get your facts straight before commenting here bashing without proof.
    This is a Christian website not a conspiracy hut, for that please go to PrisonPlanet and WorldNewsDaily. I’m sure they welcome commie Smurf like you.

  • Paladin

    No, The Vatican reserves are huge but that cannot be compared to Fort Knox, which store actual gold. In economics there no difference between stated reserves and actual reserves, go on read your economic books, that jargon was created by pundits to explain different booking tactics that are applied to various state of the wealth in general to the common populace.
    I’m not a Catholic/Orthodox but seeing the idiocy that permeates in Protestantism and other denominations, I wish to convert ASAP.
    BTW, The US own China a huge debt is common myth that people believe ,which aren’t true at all. The truth is China bought alot of bonds from the US way back in the 90’s to jump start their economy following the economic crisis that swept Asia in 1998. That’s it. The bonds entitled US to pay China if she ever wants to resell it back. But China cannot do that because the bonds are already absorbed into the market liquidity tying it up with various credits , assets and stocks. Meanwhile, China keeps borrowing credit while keeping their currency low to boost their market value, preventing them from going red and bursts the bubble.
    The US is the largest nation that contributes and recycled credits and stocks to the Chinese stock market, which explains the panic during the Chinese stock market crash recently in which the Chinese government are forced to devalued Renminbi twice, preventing China to fell into a crisis.
    That’s the truth behind the so called “debt” myth. In reality, it is China that owes the US a lot,than the other way around. The problem here the US cannot just cash in without creating a global economic catastrophe, because the interconnection of the modern market.
    So yeah, stop listening to pseudo economist and start listening to real experts and read real economic news.

  • Paladin

    No, they are no such differences in gold reserves. Thats just a reference by by pundits to explain ( poorly ) to uneducated lot like you about the various states of wealth.
    What you are suggesting here ( not saying/recording the actual amount of wealth ) is illegal and can be persecuted as a major criminal offense regardless what country it is. Not to mention it would wreak havoc to the economy on the national level.
    Think of Greece that downplayed their debts in book keeping and economic policy ( their government actually “lied” about the deficit and the actual debt levels ) that lead to the continuing crisis that we see today.
    Stop being an armchair pseudo economist, acting like you understand this stuff.
    You clearly just ripped this Vatican myths off from abovetopsecret.com or any conspiracy website out there.
    Stop IT! The more you argue against this cold hard facts the more stupid and idiotic you look.
    Go back to GOD. If you still prefer using that imbecilic belief , even after the facts are presented in front of you, and bash the RCC….then get the *&^% out.

  • Mr Al

    Ok it’s been almost 4 weeks since the blood moons and we have seen terrible terrorist attacks descend on israel. The blood moons are a warning to Israel not the exact date the start of the event being warned about. I don’t think these terroristattacks are the same old same old they are going to new levels and Israel Iis facing the biggest threat to its existence which will result in Israel needing to expand to survive rather than give up territory.

  • Rexlion

    Hindsight is 20:20. Now, in late October, it becomes clear that the warnings were correct. According to Investment Research Dynamics, at mid-September the US banking community hit a massive financial crisis. But it was hushed up, and the Federal Reserve postponed the inevitable crash by pumping $405 Billion into the banks. This is the largest injection of liquidity into the banking system in history, a paper transaction conducted to prop up the flat-busted banks and to keep the entire US financial system from imploding… for a few more weeks. Treasury Secretary Lew has already issued a warning that the whole thing could crumble in the first week of November, unless Congress takes drastic action (and what are the chances of Congress taking ANY action these days??).

    The naysayers who claimed “Nothing happened!” can now eat their words. America is teetering on the brink of chaos, while all the blind idiots go around with their fingers in their ears and ridicule of Bible believers like Jonathan Cahn on their lips. Stupid sheeple!

  • Great. Since you have been tallying my faults I’d like to get your accounting sheet for an assessment.

  • “You are the expert at cutting other Christians down, Walid… Like CBN, WND, Charisma”

    Really? It seems that the only ‘expert’ is you who is trying to cut me down but it doesn’t work. Not in your wildest dreams.

    You think I buy into sales? WND used to post my articles and confirmed my story until of course I correctly critiqued Cahn whose Blood Moons came and gone with no fruit. False prophet that guy was.

    And when I exposed the man what did WND do? They wrote an article shedding doubt on who I was.

    Tell me Where is the Shemitah now? Blood Moons came and gone, Stock Market is UP. Cahn was a fraud.

    CBN? They were airing Mus’ab Hassan Yousef who was telling Christians not to report terrorists if a bus bombing threat happened.

    So much for supporting Israel. I have it in recording. The man went on Al-Jazeerah to say completely the opposite of what he says in English. You people rather follow scam artists and then you condemn anyone who is telling you the truth. What a wicked generation full of the devil and on your way to hell.

    “due to your extremism in many of your articles and many mean comments continually about other Christians.. You’ve sacked yourself by your hostility, condescending attitude, lack of love.”

    Take a hike lady. Don’t tell me about love when you come in here half cocked and do not know what you are talking about.

    “That is why you are more of a lone ranger…your abrasiveness and unkindness to others.”

    John the Baptist was a “lone ranger”. You think I need to be accepted by you or be part of your crowd to be a Christian? Not in your wildest dreams. You think your stupid arm twisting will work on us? Get a life lady.

    “You come across as a very dictatorial, heavy, aggressive, pushy, angry person. ”

    You think I give a darn how I come across? Take a hike and get your facts straight. I ain’t your pushover. Now get the message and go tell others how “unloving” Walid Shoebat is. You’re always looking for love in all the wrong places. Today its Benny Hinn and tomorrow its Joel Olsteen. All bunch of salesmen. All you people want is someone to tickle your ears. Hypocrites.

    ” etc you call ‘heretics’ in you article above. And endlessly in your other ‘articles’ you criticize other Christians, ‘heretics’ and those not up to your idea of perfection.”

    Someone who declares blood moons and it does not come to pass is a heretic according to scripture.

    “These others are mainstream Christians actually… accepted by the vast majority.”

    You think Christianity is a majority vote you dolt? Christianity is a Narrow Gate.

    “But you are not… due to your extremism in many of your articles and many mean comments continually about other Christians.. You’ve sacked yourself by your hostility, condescending attitude, lack of love.”

    Lack of love my foot. What some of you people need is to see hell and come back. When you do, you would not be belaboring half the crap your belabor.

    “You come across as a very dictatorial, heavy, aggressive, pushy, angry person.”

    And? Sure, I am “dictatorial, heavy and aggressive, pushy and angry” but what the hell are you? You’re not aggressive and pushy? Here you are trying to twist my arm to accept your crappy reasoning that all of the sudden I can let liars lie, cheaters cheat and salesmen sell you crap and you then tell me that I have sinned? How? How have I sinned to dumb nitwit.

    “That is not Christ’s way.”

    All I need is a cracker to tell me “Christ’s way”.

    ” We are to work at love and unity with our Christian brethren, or we are making a fool of Christ by daring to call ourself a Christian. Christ shows love and is gracious in areas of difference.”

    Unity with liars cheats and heretics? Depart. What an annoying person.

  • Great. This is exactly what I want you to do but what you do you must do quickly.

  • Usually the demon froths, screams, writes in caps and speaks fragmented and disjointed slanders before its exhausted and shunned away. But a good exorcist remains calm while the demon speaks its fragmented unintelligent uttering. Nothing it says comes to past. If it says “delete” and the exorcist never listens to the demon, the demon gets more frustrated. The demon always reflects on the exorcist what it is guilty of. It tries to harass, slander and use the Lord’s Name in vein. It declares itself as Christ and announces uttering Christ never announced. It will tell the reprobate “Jesus loves you” and the astute “Jesus is ashamed of you” as it it is Jesus.

    Never listen to the demon. The demon is a liar:

    Eventually it tires and is cast out. I guarantee it 100%. It will froth a few times and then it departs. It always departs. “Resist the devil and he will flee from you”.

  • Why would a Christian ask another Christian “how much rejection have you had in your life”? A Christian’s mark is always “rejection” especially by demon controlled tares. I am not an “angry man” since I laugh at your strange fragmented uttering. I have explained the fallacies of Blood Moons, yet you failed to meet any challenges to your claims.

    Had you written the people you admire (CBN, WND, Jonathan Cahn) they would never respond to you. But because I respond to you and did not ignore your rhetoric you didn’t like it.

    A strange cracker you are. But its typical.

  • If you notice I only insult fags and Nazis. I hate Nazis. But demon driven people, I simply tell these to depart. They don’t. They stick around, spam and froth but eventually like a little baby, it tires, falls asleep because its mind is on diapers.

  • I didn’t delete your frothing. You always prove yourself wrong in every uttering.

    As Trump says “Nasty Woman”.

  • Eating raw food and forbidding meat is not biblical.

  • Its not biblical and the Bible says that in the end days that deceivers and scoffers will say that we should not eat meat.

    “Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving,”

    As far as it being insane check with you psychiatrist.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensalzberg/2016/02/22/whats-really-in-raw-food/#7719b4bd18d7