Unbelievable: Erdogan Just Said That His Caliphate Will Mimmic Hitler’s Nazi Germany

By Walid Shoebat

I told you that 2016 is going to be a very interesting year. Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, who is a strong advocate of a switch to presidential system in his country, has just said that the implementation of a presidential system while keeping the unitary structure of Turkey is possible: “When you look at Hitler’s Germany and other countries” as an example, says Erdogan at a press conference.

So this is how Turkey will keep unity in its government under his new presidential (he means Caliphate) rule.

Lets read this again:

“When we look [at other countries], we see that it is possible. You would see this when you look at Hitler’s Germany and other countries,” he was quoted as saying by T24 news portal.

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Erdoğan is the staunchest supporter of the formation of a “Turkish-style” presidential system that he claims will help the country’s development by eliminating “double-headedness” in state governance and thus pave the way for a more effective decision-making system.

Lets not forget that back in April, Erdoğan argued that Turkey’s government had been already changed into a de facto presidential system, calling for a constitutional framework to “finalize” this transition.

Critics say more executive powers in the hands of Erdoğan will likely intensify Turkey’s drift toward one-man rule and Erdogan says its Hitler’s way.

Some even expressed such fear that he would resemble Adolf Hitler, who was also elected by popular vote but then turned Germany into a fascist dictatorship.

Turkey has enjoyed nearly 140 years of constitutional experience since the inception of the Ottoman Constitution of 1876, known in Turkish as the Kanûn-u Esâsî, and the parliamentary system has been the defining characteristic of all constitutions to follow.

Everything is adding up as we have been telling you. What would it take for people to believe us?

Erdogan comparing the news presidential system to Hitler’s is no joke. Erdogan’s classmate says that Erdogan used to “walk around with a copy of Adolf Hitler’s ‘Mein Kampf'”. Erdogan’s March 16th publication titled Ust Akil (The Mastermind), where one enters an extremely dark side of Erdogan’s thinking process on how he views the Jews. The term Ust Akil (The Mastermind) was introduced by Erdogan himself, a sensational two hour “documentary”, produced by A Haber, Erdogan’s main TV propaganda machine, billed as an expose of the great international conspiracy targeting Erdogan’s “New Turkey.”

Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is seen in this still from “The Mastermind.” (photo by YouTube)

The documentary, which supposed to be an anti-conspiracy theory promotion turns out to be nothing more than a conspiracy theory in itself, a sequel to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the early 20th century anti-Semitic hoax claiming to describe a Jewish plot for global domination. In The Mastermind, it opens up with the scenes of a rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem and the Dome of the Rock.

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Erdogan’s production is a mystery about who controls the world and the conclusion is simple: The Mastermind is none other than The Jew.

So perhaps, what is no conspiracy theory, is that Erdogan is the best candidate to match Adolf Hitler’s anti-Semitism. This time, this Hitler will take with him an entire Muslim World. After all, the Jew is the mind, the documentary tell us, that “rules the world, burns, destroys, starves, wages wars, organizes revolutions and coups, and establishes states within states.” Is this any different from what Hitler sold to the masses?

Entering the dark haul, the Hitler of the Muslim world and listening to him mesmerize the crowd as Hitler did is quite the wakeup call. This is not a Hitler who is calling for an Arian race, but an entire globe under the rule of Allah and his messenger, to rule Spain and crush the Trinity:

Erdogan says in this video: “Praise be to Allah the lord of the two worlds [this world and the underworld] where ownership belongs to Allah alone, victory is to Allah alone. He has no associates [denouncing the trinity]. In the pathway we came out asking Allah to strengthen our feet on the straight path …We have dressed up in our shrouds and are prepared to confront as did Sultan Alparslan We have believed as Sultan Saladin. That victory is not from the sword but comes from Allah. We have went to the path after we have burned the ships of return behind us as did the conquerer of Spain Tareq Benziad.”

Erdogan wants Italy and Spain. He wants to be Tariq Bin Ziad, the conqueror of Spain. He wants to be the tyrant Alp Arslan and Saladin. These are the Muslim leaders who fought against Christendom and he wants to be Saladin who conquered Jerusalem. He wants to be all in all. He wants to declare war on the strongest fortresses to advance his foreign God, Allah, through warfare.

Soldiers of Christ

Get ready

The time is near

Until World War III

Happy New Year

Also see:

Erdogan Just Entered The Temple Of Allah On Mount Babel Aspiring To Become “King Of Of Babylon”



Via Today’s Zaman

  • Kamau41

    “When We Look [At Other Countries], We See That It Is Possible. You Would See This When You Look At Hitler’s Germany And Other Countries.” WOW!! Very chilling statement indeed from Erdogan. The details and pieces continues to fall right into place. You have accurately saw this coming and nailed this head on.

  • Smith

    So he wants Spain? Makes sense as it was once Muslim. Although Spain is part of NATO so this will be very interesting indeed

  • Tom_mcewen

    A jew is the master mind and his name is Jesus, the Christ.

  • Walid,

    This was the article I referred to about the think tank making prediction about Turkey and Syria.


  • Kkdgrace

    Very interesting pic at the top of the article- amazing how easily his face morphs into that of Hitler’s. Concerning his blaming the Jews as being the “mastermind” behind everything, he is already leagues ahead in making converts to that way of thinking. Can’t tell you the gazillions of articles I’ve read, only to see the comment sections filled with vitriol against the Jews and the adamant statements that they are behind every evil and distressing occurrence in this world. You see it almost everywhere: “The Jews, the Zionists, are behind this!” Distressing.

    • Julie LaBrecque

      Very true – I would add two names to the list – 1. The Catholic Church 2. The Jesuits.

      • Kkdgrace

        Too true, unfortunately.

      • 1Bobby8

        You see that crowd commenting on WND.

    • Nan

      It’s getting so that when there’s a conspiracy theory that doesn’t name “The Jews” I ask what the problem is.

  • Kkdgrace

    2016- a year in which I pray the Christians of the world will finally cease from their slumber and WAKE UP!! Too many are still comfortably ensconced in their beds, oblivious to prophecy being fulfilled, right before their eyes. Time to cease that slumber and awaken to gird their loins for all that lies ahead.

  • David Harding

    This is significant for sure…when someone of Erdogan’s position in a Muslim nation acts so openly.

  • rodolfo

    Though my country the Philippines is far from the Middle East, the MILF BIFF and Abu Sayyaf group are doing their share in Mindanao. I will not discount the possibility of more bombings to happen in the Philippines this year 2016. Shall i be fearful? No! Shall i join the expedition for the glory of the Almighty Father? Yes! I know which flock I belong and we shall feather together from 4 corners of the earth. Happy new year to all! As Mr.Walid is saying “soldiers of Christ get ready”

  • 600NE

    The reconciling of Turkey’s union with Amerian hegemony through NATO will be interesting.Canada,Western Europe,and Obama’s America are all under a state sponsored plan of support to enable a Muslim awakening in western cultures that a Islamic stronghold did not exist before. Satan makes for strange bedfellows. He who is not for me is against me. The West now under control by Elites that view a centrally planned and controlled economy and global government,a necessary path to solve the world’s many problems is a perversion of God’s plan….Anti Christ in all facets and now the unholy union of a planned government parasitic complex with the mystery Babylon religion with the singular man called “Antichrist” is more chilling then most would reject out of hand as pure fantasy. But how else would the final battle play out? The pinnacle of the evil empire against the spotless Lamb of God…Ecce Agnus Dei. Pray for all those that they may be of pure hearts and not be deceived. One thing be certain that “all” will be called to take a stand…there will be no question even the Old Covenant will be converted to “the spotless Lamb of God”. I will put emnity between you and the Woman…you will bruise her heal and she will crush your head. God’s plan goes full circle. Thanks Walid…Roger

  • While he fits, we must wait and wait we will do. Happy new year to you too ozibarb 😉

    • Jennifer

      This is starting to really resemble Scriptural prophecy in a serious way.

    • This is scary times we are living in.

  • Jeff Benton

    Once a thousand or so of the best minds in Americas strategic development think tanks start feeding Trump their version of the reality of the world we live in, I would suggest that you might (If I could underline might I would) see Trump start to change his position in subtle ways that are hard to spot concerning the geopolitical arena in the Middle East and Europe…
    I imagine they have already started feeding him bits and pieces here and there through peeps he currently respects to some degree…
    If (and when) he wins the rep. nomination, they will pull out all the stops…
    If he doesn’t comform with their ideals at least to a point that is acceptable to the good ol boys and girls running the show, I would suggest that he wont make it to the general election…
    I still think the fan is going to get pretty stinky by 2018 🙂 🙂 🙂

    I need a job…
    That is why I will vote for Trump…
    The good ol boys in charge (in their own minds) where I live, in cahoots with a fella or two in one of the prominent 3 letter bad boy groups have made it near impossible for any company to hire me in good conscious if they even have 2 or 3 applications that are comparable to mine… And right now most companies have THOUSANDS of applications to sort through…
    I have been able to squeak through the process in the past due to the amount of jobs available…
    That all went away in 2008… But when Trump wins, and even before when companies THINK he may win, I believe I may find a job that pays a living wage if God allows me to pay these crooks and murderers in office with my tax dollars again…

    Lucky for me though, God is large and in charge… So although I do get despondent about future prospects for earning a living every now and then, I dont stay down long… For even though the enemies of God have been given free reign here on this planet for a long time now, their time is growing short…

    Yeppers, I think the fan is going to get pretty stinky by 2018 or so… I believe what we see now is just a taste of whats to come…

    We see the atrocities committed over in the Middle East and Europe, and then we (the American public in a broad sense) dont even notice the things Theodore and others have been pointing out right along our southern border…
    And no-one see’s all the stuff right in our own cities now…

    Peeps sit down and watch the good looking happy peeps in the media spew out their version of reality, and fall for the big lie…
    Oh America is so safe and peaceful and everyone here is part of a social economic family that will endure forever….

    The Bible I read teaches something completely different…

    Go on America… Keep on ignoring the earthquakes, ra pes, mutilations, beheadings and other mur ders right here in our part of the world… Even in our own country…
    Especially since this has been going on forever and nothing has happened yet (so most think)…
    Yet if we were able to ask this girl – She night have something completely different to say about that whole “nothing has happened yet” attitude…

    My goal is to be ready by 2018 for anything…
    Now whether that is Gods will for me or not only time will tell…

    • Jeff Benton

      Now Walid…
      I just spent a lot of effort trying to drive you crazy as Moses… And not even a finger shaking in my direction!!!
      🙂 😀 🙂
      You must be busy with all the black eyed peas and collard greens!!!!
      Happy New Year everyone!!!

      • Julie LaBrecque

        Hope 2016 is a good year for you and yours, love reading your posts. BTW – no black-eyed peas and collard greens in my house – Rib roast, cabbage rolls, green bean bundles – and Hot Lava Cakes for dessert. Wish you could join us!

        • Jeff Benton

          Mmmmm, Now that sounds yummy!!!
          We had Black Eyed Peas, Collard Greens, Sweet potato’s, Ham, Spoon Bread, and Black and Green Olives 🙂 🙂 🙂
          God is good ALL the time 🙂 🙂 🙂
          May you and yours be blessed by God this year too!!!

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Many of the ‘Southern’ foods we assimilated when we moved to the ‘South’, but none of us ever ‘learned’ to like collard greens and black-eyed peas. I never heard of biscuits and gravy and fried okra till my college days – love both of them!

          • Grandmere

            Every time I see the word “peas” I get a mental image of you picking them out of your fried rice. lol

          • Julie LaBrecque

            I do NOT like peas – PERIOD!!

          • Nan

            When I was a kid I swallowed them whole, followed by milk.

          • mspip

            sort of like a pills?

          • Nan

            A spoonful at a time. Their texture is unappealing.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            I suppose that if I didn’t chew them I could manage.

          • mspip

            have lived in the south for over 40 years, but detest grits. all the rest is great except for the chitlins.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Don’t do grits either – I’ll stick to corneal mush.

          • As long as I see discussions like this, its not Tribulation yet.


          • Kkdgrace

            Ha ha- this gave me a good belly laugh. MUCH needed in these times! Thank you!

      • ace

        Happy New Year Jeff! May you know God’s blessings and protection this year and always! Mass and I-Hop this morning. Just doing laundry now and trying to talk myself into getting on the treadmill and doing homework later. We’ll see. Just a simple everyday meal tonight; cube steak, salad, and bread I imagine. Still have turkey from Christmas, even though I split the leftovers with a guest… What I’m really jonesing for right now is palmito (hearts of palm), since I didn’t get any at Christmas – but I did have mushrooms and am still indulging. Those mushrooms would be really tasty with collard greens, okra, shrimp, and summer sausage or bacon. Why eat or cook “normal” – whatever that is? But, you can save me some of those green olives, please…

      • mspip

        perhaps he did not notice you.. happy new year to you jeff!

    • richinnameonly

      I hope Trump has a heavenly think tank influencing him if he does get the opportunity to win in 2016. Hey, it finally is 2016!
      Many good people in need of work these days.

    • 1Bobby8

      I’m still wondering how and if Obama is just going to go ‘quietly into the night’ on January 20th, 2017.

      • mspip

        me too, saw recently that sitting president will have to remain in office if the country is at war. wonder if this is so or not? does anyone know?
        it does look as if another world war is on the way.

        • 1Bobby8

          I’m not sure of that either, but I know Obama is a power mongering mad man who’s drunk on his own power, and I just can’t see him bowing out to the next president, especially if that president is Donald Trump.

          • mspip

            he does seem to enjoy being prez. many of us do not enjoy him in his seat of power. now he’s in hawaii his maybe birthplace. vacationing….

      • Jeff Benton

        heh heh heh… He will leave just like most of the rest did… Laughing quietly and smiling big time at how he just scammed the taxpayers into funding his entire family for the rest of their lives…

        • 1Bobby8

          Probably, couple that with $200,000 speaking fees.

  • richinnameonly

    Erdogan citing Hitler’s government was the first news article I saw this morning. Got this new year off to a shaky start.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    ‘”to the Hero Sultan Saladin” – Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany was so enamored with Saladin that in 1899, while in Syria, he went to Damascus to visit his tomb, which he found in a state of disrepair and was so torn by the state of it that he provided the funds for Saladin’s tomb to be completely restored with the phrase “From one great emperor to another” emblazoned across it. (“The Glory of the Crusades”, Steve Weidenkopf, p. 237)
    Strange indeed the ongoing ‘relationship’ between Germany and Turkey.

    • Catbr

      There were muslims in Hitlers army during the 2nd ww. The grand mufti admired Hitler. How much more proof do we need to show that islam is the enemy of everyone. Hitler hated us and wanted to take over the world too with his perfect German Aryan race. Germany and Turkey (muslims) are certainly in on something grave together and it’s definitely not to our advantage.

    • Owen Schumacher

      Right, and don’t forget Hitler’s love for the Pergamon Altar.

    • AnthonyM

      Interesting ties for sure. After WWII Germany needed workers. Germany invited Turks to immigrate and particularly to work in factories, which helped fuel Germany’s economic miracle.

      For many years Germans assumed the “guest workers” would return home one day. But that did not happen. Some started their own companies, and became involved in government.

      The roughly 3 million Turkish immigrants living in Germany who, according to studies by the Berlin Institute for Population and Development, are less effectively integrated on average than other immigrant groups. They are more likely than others to be poorly educated, underpaid and unemployed. Today, Turks are Germany’s largest ethnic minority and form most of Germany’s Muslim minority.
      In 2011, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan during a speech in Düsseldorf, he urged Turks in Germany, to integrate, but not assimilate !!!

      German Chancellor, Angela Merkel, has opposed full membership of Turkey to the EU in the past. But the recent agreement whereby Turkey controls the flood of immigrants calls for payment of 3B EU to Turkey, expediting the EU membership, and visa free travel between Turkey and Germany.
      This agreement with the EU seems like a poison pill.

      • Julie LaBrecque

        Thanks for that information – doesn’t look good for Germany.

      • Nan

        Many Turks and Yugoslavs were forced to return home after German Reunification due to the migration of the East Germans to the West for jobs.

    • Great quote for an Arab to steal 😉

      • Julie LaBrecque

        I wonder if Wilhelm knew Saladin was a Kurd.

  • Catbr

    Erdogan and Angela Merkel, brother and sister anti-christs.

    • Rajan Rojan

      why Angela Merkel may i ask?

      • mspip

        why not??

      • Catbr

        Because Merkel is allowing massive muslim migration into Germany which is going to bankrupt Germany due to the overwhelming financial burden of all these muslims. This will then make it easier for the muslims to take over Germany. Merkel is paving the way for the destruction with no concern for the German people.

  • Because Erdogan wants to dismantle democracy and revert Turkey back to its Ottoman root.

  • Diana

    surprise, surprise.

  • CarriedbyGrace

    The eyes of both antichrist figures are identical. Great article. Thank you, Walid!

  • Julie

    If they were right, Muhammed would have ascended to heaven next to the Catholic church of St. Mary Major of Justinian….the Umayyids….who made up to stake land claims for Islam.

    • mspip

      muhammed not there…..

  • ace

    Erdogan’s arrogance is the reason the U.S. must quit being cowardly and clearly and loudly acknowledge the Armenian genocide. The current White house seems to utterly lack a moral compass. 2015 saw President Obama AGAIN – for the 7th year in a row fail to use the “G” word. Just like in WWII, appeasement is only encouraging the evil guy and, in the long run, it will not prevent war. The economic sanctions attempted have only been a “wink and a nod”. Historically, Japan went ahead with aggression in Manchuria, Mussolini did what he was going to do, and of course, we had Hitler and the disaster and tragedy of the Holocaust; Hitler, him whom Erdogan admires.

    (Mutatis Mutandis the following could almost have been written today):
    From a verse-satire by F. L. Lucas on the pro-appeasement British press barons; New Statesman and Nation, 11 May 1935, p. 669

    Paris may pass in gas and flame and blood –
    We shall sit safe behind our sundering flood.
    Berlin may build a Holier Inquisition –
    It will but mean an extra-late edition.
    Hitler be hailed through all a wrecked Ukraine –
    We shall just read, and turn to golf again.

    Let me add some new verses:

    And from Turkey will rise Erdogan –
    We’ll watch sports, bury heads in sand.
    Mexico’s narcos kill with impunity –
    While we say “nothing to do with me”.
    Islam is just a religion of peace –
    Surely can’t be the Trojan beast.

  • Eric Mueller

    • Eric Mueller

  • Nan

    It isn’t like the Church of England follows Christ’s teaching.

  • Smith

    Truth is Christians are not violent by nature which is why it is so easy to pick on us. If we organized the way other religions did then persecution would be lower.

    Say what u want about Mormons. They are nuts but organized. The true Church could learn from them

  • Thomas

    So the end is near what must I do?

  • And he is best friends with Barry…. How revealing is that?

  • A candidate.

  • Rajan Rojan

    perhaps the anti christ in the bible is coming soon..

  • mspip

    it will happen but not happy!

  • mspip

    did notice the poster of that made his own reply. baptism back in the day was Father, Son and Holy Spirit, all 3. imho that is the right way.

  • 1Bobby8

    Amen to that.

  • 1Bobby8

    Amen to that.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    The dinner I described was our traditional ‘Christmas’ dinner with our children and grandchildren, apart from the entire family Christmas dinner which is typically Ham and Turkey with all the trimmings. My 2nd eldest child and her family couldn’t come at Christmas this year, so we did it on New Years when they could come – I too love Christmas!

  • rodolfo

    konnichi wa honto ne (Greetings. that is true) that includes kidnapping for ransom as a source of funding which is rampant in southern Philippines.

  • Just spotted your logic. Firstly, I was designed without gaskets. Secondly, You do not understand the allegory:

    “And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshiped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh” (Revelation 19:20, 21).

    The beast is an allegory, a depiction of this monster kingdom which is taken with the false prophet who is the Antichrist and these two are cast in the lake of fire.

    One cannot see a “beast” from a context that also uses “bride” and “lamb” as simply to interpret “beast” as an individual. For if this was true, the bride would be a singular wife that Jesus will marry when He comes and we will all sing Hava Nagila in your Hebrew Roots Sabbath class.

    Now that you are built with gaskets, lets see if smoke will come out of the muffler 😉

  • You must have missed the last memo:


    Pour it in your radiator and it will fix your gasket while you avoid any contact of what you wrote above to your eyes since it causes permanent blindness.

    A common assumption is that “the beast” of Revelation is a man. However, it is clear from Scripture that a single entity does not necessarily represent a single being. For instance, in Revelation 19:7, we read, “Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honor to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come and his wife hath made herself ready.” Just as the wife (bride) of Revelation 19:20 represents many people from different nations, tribes and different tongues, the beast of Revelation 19:7 represents a nation or an empire—a collective group of many people. The metaphorical use of the beast and the bride is consistent with use of figures of speech throughout Scripture. Every instance of the word beast in Daniel 7: 5-7, 11, 19, and 23, is a reference to an empire—with rulers or kings represented by horns. These rulers are represented also with the word “beast” when they come out of the earth. “These great beasts (empires) are four in number are four kings (horns) who will arise from the earth.”

    A beast always represents a group of people from every nation, tribe, and tongue that follows a false religion and its leader (horn). So, when the beast is taken and the “false prophet” with him, we understand that the empire and its leader (the horn) are removed. We know from Scripture that Satan seeks to be like God, to rule the earth, to have his own kingdom. With this in mind, we see that an Islamic revival is quite plausible as Satan attempts to woo followers.

    Jesus, our Messiah, desires His Bride (the saints) for love, forgiveness and reconciliation, and Satan desires his kingdom for destruction—parallels at opposite ends of the moral spectrum.

    Just as the Bride awaits the coming Bridegroom, Islam is waiting for the leader they call the Mahdi (antichrist, false prophet, king of babylon, pharaoh of Egypt, Assyrian, Nimrod …), who will lead them in the footsteps of his predecessor Mohammed. Thus, we see the SECOND beast of Revelation 13:3 waiting and determined to follow the previous FIRST beast whose “deadly wound was healed.”

    How difficult is this to comprehend without your 50 years of British Israeliism?

    Hope this stops the cops giving you tickets since it fixes the steam coming out of your muffler which clouds the drivers behind 😉

    Oh yes, don’t forget to study the link, carefully. Would like your input on it.

  • “We are not exactly in disagreement.. The ‘beast’ of Rev 13 is both a man and an empire.”

    A man (Antichrist) + an Empire still = An Empire.

    And thats not what you initially said. Here is what you said “the 3 counterfeit amigos — the dragon (Satan), the first beast (Antichrist, with all his other titles) and the second beast (False Prophet).”

    You were in the camp of ‘Anything Goes’.

    “Grab a calculator and run! How does Erdogan compute?”

    Better ask, what has all the calculators computed? Show me one calculator that computed any name correctly. Everyone 100% who has announced named of Antichrists were in complete ERROR.

    Then you quote:

    “Rev 16:10 Then the fifth angel poured out his bowl on the THRONE of the beast, and HIS KINGDOM became full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues because of the pain.”

    Indeed, we find the word “beast” interchangeable, but these allegories are not one plus one. You find that the four beasts are four king. “These great beasts (empires) are four in number are four kings (horns) who will arise from the earth.”

    A beast always represents a group of people from every nation, tribe, and tongue that follows a false religion and its leader (horn). So, when the beast is taken and the “false prophet” with him, we understand that the empire and its leader (the horn) are removed. Just as the Bride awaits the coming Bridegroom, Islam is waiting for the leader they call the Mahdi, who will lead them in the footsteps of his predecessor Mohammed. Thus, we see the beast of Revelation 13:3 waiting and determined to follow the previous beast whose “deadly wound was healed.”

    You stated:

    “(So a clear dichotomy between the beast king, the false messiah, and his kingdom. An antitype is Christ, who is the King, but distinct from His Kingdom. A kingdom requires not just a ruler but a populace, territory, laws etc. Even Elvis had fans, rules and ‘territory’.)”

    I could rewrite that as “(So a clear dichotomy between the beast king WHO IS the false messiah, and his kingdom. An antitype is Christ, who is the King, but distinct from His Kingdom. A kingdom requires not just a ruler but a populace, territory, laws etc. Even Elvis had fans, rules and ‘territory’.)”

    For if you take a duet, I could invent more, King of Babylon is separate from the Assyrian, separate from Pharaoh of Egypt, separate from Nimrod, separate from Gog … and is the problem we have where they separate from Gog and Antichrist even though Christ is on earth fighting Gog. Is he fighting Gog and Antichrist at the same time? No.

    Indeed, in Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the MOUTH of the beast (WHO IS THE DRAGON) and out of the mouth of the false prophet who is the Antichrist.

    If e take your theory than:

    “Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, is HIMSELF also the EIGHTH, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.”

    this means that these are all but one man? No. How can the seventh man be the eighth? Impossible.

    “Antichrist will personally suffer a ‘mortal’ wound and be supernaturally resurrected by the false prophet.”

    Tell me then, who will give him life? The devil? If so, you just deified Lucifer since ONLY GOD is the giver of life.

    “That event alone may produce the desired political effect.)”

    Haha, see my Jesus style question above.

    “Rev 19:19 And I saw the BEAST, the KINGS of the earth, and THEIR armies”

    So? I saw the beast (Antichrist and his kingdom), the Kings of the earth and their armies. So what?

    Then you write:

    “gathered together to make war against HIM who sat on the horse and against HIS army. (The classic ‘medieval’ battle with each king leading his army into the field. Christ is the King of kings, a personality, and a warrior – so too is the Antichrist.).”

    So what do you do with “Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory! For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready.”

    Is His bride is singular person?

    “Your counter-analogy of the Bride and the Beast do not fit the context.”

    They are in the same context of this beast.

    “If anything a closer comparison would have to be the False Prophet and the apostate bride.”

    Show me where it says “apostate bride”?

    “I would suggest you have you logic the wrong way round. Rather than letting the Bible interpret itself, you have adopted a prophetic schematic and are trying to make that schematic fit Scripture.”

    No. You have used Revelation’s allegory instead of the volumes of literal references. Why? It is because only by using Revelation can people make up theories. One is to take the literal and apply it to the allegory.

    “Now at the end of the day you might be right about Erdogan, but I don’t think you have the full picture, because, partly due to your pro-Catholic, anti-Protestant stance, you seem to have blinded yourself to the possibility that.there may be a tie up with Rome/Europe/Germany/US/UN as this whole thing unfolds. There needs to be a separate ‘spiritual’ leader for things to fit.”

    I knew that Rome must be in the mix of your argument. Show me, where is Rome cursed in Scripture? You will use Revelation, yet when you examine every literal about Rome, God complements Rome. Literally by name. The reason you do not see this is because partly due to your pro-Protestant and your anti-Catholic stance

    “Moreover we’ve had Mussolini, Franco, Kruschev, Galtieri, the Korean mob, even Hitler et al — all as devious as one another.”

    And we had Babur Nama, The Monguls, the Saracens, Abul Abbas Al-Safah, Ahmad Basha Al-Jazzar … and these can teach Hitler a thing or two on mass killing. Germany doesn’t even come close to the Ottomans, neither in the number they killed or the brutality. The Ottomans taught the Germans.

    You stated:

    “But in none of these cases has anyone ever said “who is able to make war with the beast”. They were always challenged and in most cases defeated.”

    Excuse me, the beast says “who is like the beast” God says regarding this beast “let the weak say I am strong” and He also says that He will send nations more powerful than him (Ezekiel 28:7-8) and they will destroy him.

    You take what the followers of Antichrist says, yet you completely ignore what God says.

    You state:

    “Erdogan has effectively imposed martial law, but if he is not smart, the Turkish economy will soon start to implode and he will run out of readies. You can’t run wars without cash — no matter how many Allu Akbars you shreik. We’ve also gotta inject a sense of realism into the well-meaning, but sometimes wild, prognosications — irrespective of how accurate they appear.”

    Hitler did it and threatened the earth.

    “I haven’t read you other link yet. I do find your articles very long-winded, so it’s usually a ‘set-time-aside’ project.”

    Iqra (Arabic)=Read


  • Okay, I will make it short, lest you accuse me of being ‘politician’ while I accuse you (correctly) of being the evasive one.

    A) “the beast that was, and is not, is HIMSELF also the EIGHTH, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.”

    Is this speaking of a single individual? Two individuals?

    B) You stated:

    “Antichrist will personally suffer a ‘mortal’ wound and be supernaturally resurrected by the false prophet.”

    And I asked: tell me then, who will give him life?

    Just two simple questions, (A) with a number and (B) with a single word. Is this difficult homework for a brilliant Saxon mind? Who is now evasive, me or you?

    To answer your question (that is if your premise is correct and there are two individuals that the false prophet is separate from Antichrist) I do not know who this man is. There is no one who fits that bill. We must wait. Islam is looking for one man, Christianity speaks of the Antichrist coming and I suspect its the false prophet/Mahdi/Gog/Pharaoh of Egypt/King of Babylon/Assyrian…

    Now please answer A & B

  • John,

    Lest you intentionally forgot, you stated:

    “Antichrist will personally suffer a ‘mortal’ wound and be supernaturally resurrected by the false prophet.”

    Remember what you wrote here “personally”.

    And I asked: tell me then, who will give him life?

    So you realized your folly, the devil cannot be a giver of life (its a blasphemy man) and so you resorted to your “Frankenstein’ resurrection” with some borrowed spirit from the abyss.

    Do you read much fiction by any chance?

    Having picked on you for this one, I must agree on:

    “Thus the seventh king (Antichrist) will also embody the seventh kingdom, as a continuation of the history and the Gentile kingdom spirit (which God sees a beast-like).”

    And also I agree with this with the exception of “man” to be replaced with “kingdom”:

    “So to answer your first question, the eighth ‘beast’ (or call him what you will) is the same as the seventh, in terms of the MAN. However there is no eighth EMPIRE.”

    Indeed, the eighth empire is the resurrection of the seventh: the Ottoman whom your people fought. Get ready.

    “The last is the seventh, albeit it comprises 10 kings.”

    Had you read the link I provided you (the memo) remember, and read it slowly, you would have gotten it.

    “And in case you are wondering about my position on the matter, the ‘eighth’ is not the False Prophet — that doesn’t fit.”

    We agree

    “With regard to the mortal wound that has kept scholars going for centuries. First we need to go back to first principles. The beast of Rev 13:1-2 has to be in the first instance the KINGDOM or empire. the ‘mortal wound’ applies to the empire itself.”

    We agree

    “the problem of Satan ‘raising the dead’ starts to become more problematic — theologically.”

    We agree. Just do away with your Frankenstein theory.

    Let me know what you think of the link.

    O, another question, Englishman, are you the one who ran

    A) GS
    B) the basketball team initials GT,
    C) Both or
    D) none of the above, I must be confusing you with someone else.

    P.S: your analogy of the British monarchy explaining the allegory is a good one.