Protestants Are Joining The Muslim Antichrist To Work Together To Destroy The Catholic Church And The Orthodox Church, Protestant Germany Is Already Working With Turkey To Control And Dominate Europe With Money And Power And By Prosecuting Free Speech


Protestants Are Joining The Muslim Antichrist To Work Together To Destroy The Catholic Church And The Orthodox Church, Protestant Germany Is Already Working With Turkey To Control And Dominate Europe With Money And Power And By Prosecuting Free Speech.

By Walid Shoebat

Solomon the wise once said “there is nothing new under the sun”. It is also true that there is nothing new under the snow for the snow always melts revealing where the dog took a dump. It is no different with the devil. From his top-agendas to his bottom agendas, nothing has ever changed regarding his methods.

What other explanation can one give besides that History is repeating itself and that devils are at it again as we see master schemes to destroy the church by a Turko-German collaboration. I will only mention the expropriations of Armenian property in Diyarbakir Turkey by President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, a perplexing echo of “demographic engineering”  that was a prelude to the Armenian genocide a century ago. Such schemes becomes evident as we witness the callous European Union leaders, Protestant Angela Merkel and Donald Tusk, who on the same weekend marking the Armenian genocide went to the Sultan of Turkey lavishing praise on Muslim Erdogan for allegedly ‘relieving the refugee crisis’.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Turkey's President Tayyip Erdogan © Tobias Schwarz

History always repeats itself from when the Protestants went to bed with the Turkish Sultans to destroy the Catholic alliance. And today Angela Merkel, the most powerful woman in the world and the most powerful figure in the history of the European Union, is in bed with the most powerful Muslim in the world: Sultan Erdogan. They are both executing dubious deals.

Why else would it be Protestant Merkel acting as the devil’s best agent to fulfill the flood of the dragon in Revelation 12 causing the biggest influx of migrants to the European continent since the World War II?

Why else would Merkel collaborate with Erdogan, as far away as Turkey in thwarting free speech all the way in Germany? Germany is carrying out a similar agenda to Turkey’s Erdogan policy of prosecuting a comedian Jan Bohmermann who mocked Sultan Erdogan. This is alarming to see the crushing arm of Turkish censorship inhibit freedom of expression in the heart of Europe and highly troubling that a European leader permitted it to happen. Turkish justice minister filed more than 1,800 cases for simply insulting this Antichrist.

Now behold Angela Merkel. Even Wikipedia notices the oxymoronic uses defines Merkel’s party as:

Christian democratic and liberalconservative political party in Germany. It is the major catch-all party of the centre-right in German politics.”

It matters nothing if Germany is ruled by right or left. An Aryan version of Jezebel, daughter of a Protestant pastor, and the chief in charge of another oxymoron: Christian Democratic Union of Germany.

On the other hand, behold a Jehu, the astrophysicist, philosopher, theologian, Father Manuel Carreira, or should I dare say, the Jesuit member of the Vatican Specula, who just said in response to a discussion on West Germany that one could not plausibly claim that “Islam is compatible with the rights of a European nation”. The witty Jesuit said that Islam:

“was created as decaffeinated Christianity because they simply have obscured what they did not understand in Christianity: one no longer talked about the Trinity, nor the incarnation of God for the simple reason that they had not understood it. “Therefore, Islam is a 7th – 9th Century developing form of “a minimalist distorted Christianity” with its “own theology,” which is of a “very simple thinking.”


Minimalism and over simplification on the nature of the most complex God, while over complications on the matters of what is so plainly written in scripture are always the mark of the devil.

The myth that Islam is ‘just another religion’ is absurd: Islam, like other Christian cults, is decaffeinated Christianity.

Decaffeinated Christianity has one sole purpose: the destruction of God’s people, the destruction of the true church from within and from without, and to primarily thwart the church, Christ’s arm on earth, from doing its mission to redeem Jews and Gentiles.

Thats it!

Every plan of the devil is intended for that purpose.

You might counter with “This is absurd! The Bible says in 1 Timothy 6:10 that ‘money is the root of all evil’.

Indeed. The devil is using ‘money’ in the E.U., specifically by Germany, as the root of all evil there. Even a secularist analyst like  explains in The Globalist that another form of decaffeinated Christianity, Protestantism, is also using money to suppress Catholic and Orthodox nations:

If a European country turned from Catholicism to Lutheranism (or, more broadly, to Protestantism) after the early 1500s, when Martin Luther (and a few other reformers, such as Zwingli and Calvin) launched the Reformation, that would have been a good indication that the nation would qualify for the adoption of the common European currency about five centuries later. If it had stayed predominantly Catholic, or even Greek Orthodox, then not.

He believes some historically Catholic countries, such as Austria and Poland, may have come under more Germanic influence due to their geographical proximity. They are: “Catholics perhaps, but with a healthy dose of fiscal Protestantism,” he reasons. Commemorations in 2017 will doubtless try to stress that Reformation divisions between Protestants and other reformers and Catholicism were not too great.

When it comes to Protestant Germany and Muslim Turkey, even Wikipedia gets it:

“German–Turkish relations have their beginnings in the times of the Ottoman Empire and have culminated in the development of strong bonds with many facets that include economic, military, cultural and social relations. With the possible accession of Turkey to the European Union, of which Germany is the biggest member, and the existence of a huge Turkish diaspora in Germany, these relations have become more and more intertwined over the decades.”

Turkey and Germany are “intertwined”. But will the Left Behind crowd remain left behind or will they too get it? That is the question.

Has anything ever changed from when Martin Luther insisted on Rome as ‘the harlot riding the scarlet beast’ while making Germany and Geneva the center for their version of decaffeinated Christianity?

Islam too was created as a plague in order to destroy Catholic and Orthodox Christianity. The Jesuit Carreira said:
“I would say that Islam is the worst plague that humanity has seen in the past 2000 years.”. Islam is “completely unable” to develop, respect for human dignity. For Muslims it is therefore “impossible to respect human rights and the Western tradition“. A Muslim in Europe “denies either this respect, then is an internal threat to Europe, or he accepts European thought, which means he is an unbeliever and is dead according to Islamic understanding.” Either way, “there is no positive contribution by Islam to a modern society that is respectful of the fundamental rights of every human being”

In the United States I heard for years the worst reductio ad absurdum arguments saying that Jesuits created Islam while Catholics worship ‘idols’. The most theologically ill-educated Christians in the world exist in the United States. I find such theories in comments on every article where I discuss Catholicism.

Some will argue that what we say here is of no consequence since churchgoing has been in decline in Germany as elsewhere in Europe since secularization has spread. However, religious ideas do shape the way Germans talk and think. Even when it comes to money, the German word for debt – schuld – is the same as the word for “guilt” or “sin”. In Germany a call for austerity and even conservatism is not a sign of faith in God just as the Left Behind fiction series are no evidence for the Rapture theory. Europe’s revival will be slow, and these days, it is the left who are being “left behind”. As the Economist shows: “social democrats lost power in Denmark, fell to their worst-ever results in Finland, Poland and Spain and came to within a hair’s-breadth of such a nadir in Britain.”

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Every cult has idols. And when it comes to idols and statues, Martin Luther (the German “Father of the Reformation”) and Ulrich Zwingli (a major Swiss reformer based in Zürich) all have statues. Go and see the Reformation Wall, or should I add another absurdity ‘with all sorts of worshippers’.

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I see absurdities every year, that when it comes to the Holy Family in Christmas, Protestant display the smallest icons under a tree, but when it comes to ‘reformers’ the Iconoclast too construct the most massive and elaborate icons.

The story of General Jehu and Jezebel will repeat itself. A European Jehu one day will arise to be anointed with oil as king over Europe to destroy the house of Germany and avenge the blood of God’s servants shed by Germany. Her Jezebel and Islam’s Hitler, both houses of Germany and Turkey will perish, cut off from every last male. And the house of Germany like the house of Jeroboam son of Nebat and like the house of Baasha son of Ahijah will perish. And as for Jezebel, dogs will devour her on the plot of ground and no one will bury her.



  • Catbr

    Look at the pair of them, smiling, like snakes. Snakes who know about all the death and chaos they are purposely causing. This union won’t last much longer.

    • “This union won’t last much longer.”

      I disagree. It will grow even further.

      • Catbr

        I’m hoping it will come to an abrupt end when somebody, who hates one or the other badly enough, will end their leadership.

  • So? Should I always include the jerks in the U.S. who call themselves Catholic in every article I write? Or should I always post a photo with the Pope kissing the Quran every time I say anything? Which is it Jim? Or should I only speak of heroes like Said Abedini whom Go knows what happened to him when he returned to his loving wife and be booted out?

    • Grandmere

      How quickly that got swept under the rug.

    • Jim

      Mr. Shoebat, I had a particular man in mind, a long time faculty member, a priest, with whom I actually had a dust-up. He said, “I wish Christians in Middle East would quit muddying the waters. I wish they would just disappear.” The scales came off my eyes that day.

      • Middle East Christians are very political and mix faith with politics and make a mess.

  • Flame blue

    Disgusting Merkel and Erdogan. As l said previously, Germany caused the First World War, and the second and she will cause the third. I wouldn’t be surprised if the anti-Christ of anti-Christs will arise in Germany.

    These lovers were in league all along and she decided to become the opened legged harlot allowing entry to vileness. She lies naked and immoral and knows no shame. She will birth aliens and demons who will infest the whole of Europe. Lice crawl all over her and lay nits in her hair and she will become putrid with disease. Maggots crawl from her decomposing flesh as her stench is received like a perfume in the nostrils of vultures.

  • Trevor


    It’s not just Protestants who are the problem. Even idiotic Catholic priests such as Cardinal Woekli who said, ‘Cardinal Woelki suggested that all religions are equally well suited to German culture and law. “The religion of Islam is compatible with the German constitution just as Judaism or Christianity are.'” It is turning into a mad world.

    What was it that St. Athanasius said about men who have gone mad? That they would accuse other of not being mad?

    Source of quote:

    • Trevor

      By the way, Trump had a major foreign policy speech today, and wow! He really showed that he has a firm handle on foreign issues.

      He even said that we as a nation have left Christians to be persecuted and being subjected to a genocide.

      • Eric

        I LOVED his speech, Trevor! He has a firm hand on it!

        • Trevor

          He does. His naysayers won’t admit it.

          • Eric

            He seems to have thought everything out, and it was truly refreshing to hear. He checked all the right boxes. For me, the clinchers were his statements on Christians, that we need to “Stop trying to bring Democracy to nations that don’t want it” and finally, his desire to repair relations with Russia and China. Excelent speech.

          • AnthonyM

            Sorry I missed it. I’ll look on utoobe

          • Kamau41

            He clearly demonstrates that he has a heart for protecting Christians and he indeed has excellent foresight on foreign policy.

          • Eric

            Yes he does, Kamau. And I think God will honor and bless that. I firmly believe Trump has God’s blessing, and that His hand is over Trump. I still pray for him every day. No harm in that. I remember Trump even said a couple weeks ago when a reporter asked him how he’s withstood all that he has, Trump said, “I think it has to be God’s doing.”

          • Grandmere

            His Town Hall was good too. Bobby Knight nailed it.

          • Trevor

            Bobby Knight, as in the famed basketball coach?

          • Grandmere

            Yeah. He was at Trump’s town hall meeting last night. The crowd ate it up.

          • Trevor

            Wow. So The General basically endorsed him?

          • Grandmere

            Oh yeah. And there were a lot of young people in the crowd.

          • Trevor

            I looked it up, and apparently Knight gave such an answer to a question, Trump nearly fell out of his seat laughing.

          • Kamau41

            Bobby Night has not lost his fiery personality/comments. Here is the clip.

          • Nan

            Bobby rocks. I met him in Ljubljana almost 20 yrs ago. He wass there with an NIT all star team and I was diverted from the opera when my friends and I found 3 lost ballplayers. I ended up staying for the game and they sat me right behind the bench.

        • Lidia

          I loved his speech too. He spoke like a strong president,

      • Kamau41

        Yes he indeed does. Everytime he gives a speech now, he is sounding more and more Presidential. Truly refreshing….

    • Rev. Fr. Higgins

      It is our task to remain faithful to the unchanging truths of the Catholic Church, these so called cardinals will receive their judgement. He obviously doesn’t think ISIS islam is compatible with the German constitution, he means “the secular, liberal, watered down islam, that most muslims will consider heretical is compatible with the German constitution”, and in that case he is correct.

      • Trevor

        With all due respect, Father, I disagree. He is saying Islam is compitable as Christianity and Judaism is. It is the same argument presents by those who clings to the American’s constitution where religions are to be respected by all and untouched by the government.

        That is the problem. Those who pushes these narrative are being deceived because Islam is here to dominate through cunning, deception, and then by the sword. Until the people in the West stop the Ostrich syndrome and wake up, we will find ourselves waking at the crack of dawn to the sound of demonic screech that Muslim calls the “most beautiful sound in the world.” If we refuses to bow to the moon god of Mecca, we will be beheaded.

    • Grandmere

      Pope Leo XIII knew about infiltration of the Church.

      • Trevor

        I have no doubt he knew. That is what led him to pen the prayer to St. Michael the Archangel.

  • Interesting Article written in 1979:
    Thirty-seven years ago, Time magazine dedicated its cover to “Islam, The Militant Revival,” and published a lengthy article, “The World of Islam,” in which John A. Meyer wrote, “We want to examine Islam’s resurgence, not simply as another faith but as a political force and potent third ideology competing with Marxism and Western culture in the world today.”

    ” No matter how the media spins Islam then and now, Sharia Law and our U.S. Constitution are not compatible. Moral relativism and tolerance to the point of ignorance will result in national suicide.” Source:

  • AnthonyM

    Interesting article, thanks for writing it. It is hard to see countries that did not learn their lessons. Like a dog returns to its vomit. They should know better, but seem to be losing their mind, and can’t think clearly. They labor on, tilingl the infertile, stoney ground of secular humanism.

  • Indian Christian Crusader

    Well, I am a protestant (anglican communion church of north India CNI), so count me out of the alliance with Antichrist. I will stand by personally to defend Orthodox and Catholic brethren. Whoever loves Christ is on the side of Christ and respects all the older established churches (Orthodox and Catholic) is my brother and sister in faith.

    • Rev. Fr. Higgins

      Indian Crusader, you are a member of the sect founded by a fat, lustful, English King. In the name of Jesus Christ I invite you to return to the true apostolic Church He founded, the Catholic Church, and to pray the rosary each day as Our Blessed Mother commanded at Fatima.

      • Grandmere

        Father, Indie and I, as orthodox Anglicans, have your back in here against the protestant nut jobs. Perhaps you could cut us a little bit less slack than the Orthodox. It would be greatly appreciated. Pray for us as we pray for you.

      • Indian Christian Crusader

        Will do, if the Lord Himself puts it in my heart to do. Conviction is put in the heart by God, rather than men. When Christ returns, we all will after all be joined together into one church and all divisions end. I was born into the anglican communion as my father was an anglican convert from Hinduism. So I had no choice on which church I was born and raised into. However I was raised to love Christ, to honor the Bible, to honor God the best way I know how. Yes, I am still learning and so are all Christians on a journey to faith. As I learn, I grow. I let God guide me. I would appreciate if you said those bold words to the 3rd largest religion on earth called Hindus who worship 33 million gods, they need it urgently. You are most invited to India, to speak to them.

        • Rev. Fr. Higgins

          God bless you my son, I will offer Holy Mass for your intentions tomorrow.

    • Grandmere

      May God protect the faithful in the Anglican communion. I do love my Indie! Are you guys part of GAFCON?

      • Indian Christian Crusader

        Thank you Grandmere. From what I can understand, there was a representative from India named Canon Vinay Samuel who attended the Global Anglican Future Conference.

        • Grandmere

          Excellent. A new branch just opened up in New Zealand.

    • racarrera

      And you have many who will stand with you.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    What man/woman founded your church?

    • Grandmere

      Time to grease up the skillets for a fish fry.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Sad that Germany is again on the wrong side of history – just hope the US gets their act together by electing Trump to get us headed in the right direction.

    • Owen Schumacher

      Yep! And hopefully the UK gets its Brexit in June, and eventually they elect some decent leaders.

      • Grandmere

        I hope the news that came out about the government lying about the number of invaders will help people make the decision to exit.

    • Eric

      I have faith that we will, Julie. I pray for Trump every day, and I believe that God’s hand is moving in this crazy election. I also belive Trump has God’s blessings, and that His hand is over Trump. I remember a few weeks ago, when a reporter asked Trump how he’s withstood all the attacks and such, Trump said, “I think it has to be God’s doing.”

  • Owen Schumacher

    “An Aryan version of Jezebel, daughter of a Protestant pastor…” But wasn’t Jezebel at least supposed to be physically attractive? Or am I thinking of Delilah? Either way, Merkel is frighteningly afflicted in the looks. Also, I wouldn’t mind some wild dogs giving her a good gnaw like they did for Ahab’s wife.

    • Grandmere

      Maybe Lilly Von Shtupp?

      • mspip

        will have to look that person up. surely google will have a pic.

        • Grandmere

          She is a very naughty saloon singer in the movie Blazing Saddles.

          • mspip

            thanks for the info. that was a while back.

    • mspip

      merkel is as you describe her….

  • Sarado Katoliko

    These Protestant scums should be erased from the face of the earth along with their Muslim Antichrist and his horde of maggots. Ah, we have to endure several years more watching helplessly as these sons of the devil brutalize the Body of Christ. But, we witness also the chastisement of liberal and feminist societies of Europe where long ago men abandoned their role in society and became feminized, metrosexual, emotional, spineless and subservient to the dominant wiles of feminists. These women who opened their legs wide apart for the invasion of these African and Muslim savages think and feel they are doing good in the name of multiculturalism. It will be a rude awakening when they find their sick society as they know it is forever gone. These invaders don’t believe in multiculturalism. They don’t want their Western culture. They hate it, on the other hand. Only one culture is superior and should dominate the world, and that is their culture. They only like to be friends with you so later they can behead you when you turn your back. The locusts have all but consumed the green fertile land and they are insatiable. I believe these locusts can migrate soon to America and despoil the land and change the laws and times back to their liking. God’s chastisement is inevitable. God’s children should be wise as serpents and call on the Virgin Mother and all the saints for intercession for their protection. We should welcome God’s chastisement of these people who thrust their fists up to God and with their vile mouths utter putrid blasphemies against Him. They chose this lifestyle of rebellion and we should stay out of God’s wrath. I hope I can join my guardian angel in uprooting the tares from the wheat.

    • Rev. Fr. Higgins

      The praise of God upon their lips, and a two edged sword in their hands, to deal out vengeance to the nations, and punishment on all the peoples, to bind their kings in chains and their nobles in fetters of iron, to carry out the sentence pre ordained- THIS HONOUR IS FOR ALL HIS FAITHFUL. ps 146

      • I will share the Psalm you gave with Theodore. He loves the “two edged sword”. Lord bless you Fr. Higgins. It is always so great to hear from you.

    • Love your crusading spirit Sarado. Excellent comment.

  • rodolfo

    I am catholic since birth. But nobody can tell me to go up the roof and jump form there head first. I will always partake the body of Christ from the hands of whom had apostolic succession. From apostles who breaks bread and drink wine (not juice) for the new and everlasting covenant.

  • Rev. Fr. Higgins

    Protestants love the quran because the quran says that Jesus Christ brought a book to the earth called the Injil, the Gospel. They love the quran because the quran teaches a lie about Christianity which they love, the lie that Jesus Christ came on earth to bring a book. They love this lie because protestants love to give their different interpretations of this book and claim the Holy Ghost is speaking through them. O Protestant, realise your God did not bring a book to this earth, no, your God came to found One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. When you accept this you will be able to show the Muslim that his koran is full of lies, because Christ did not come to earth with a book, He came to found a Church- the Catholic Church.

    • Your words of wisdom ignites my soul father Higgins. Indeed, missionaries use what is called the Camel Method where they used the Quran to supposedly “witness to Muslims” which when even I was Evangelical I fought it tooth and nail.

  • Rev. Fr. Higgins

    They are false Jesuits, the great sifting is coming and they will be found wanting.

    • Even if all Jesuits were righteous, they will still complain about the Jesuits. I know these hypocrites. I hanged around them for decades.

  • Rev. Fr. Higgins

    You don’t understand one thing about papal authority, Popes don’t have authority over Catholic Truth, they serve it, when a pope violates Divine Revelation he is not acting as pope but as Simon, who was also a pope, but to whom Christ had to say on occaion, “get behind me satan”. The apostles still had Peter as their leader, you however have rejected Peter. You are like a faithfless Jew who said “I will no longer be a member of the 12 tribes that God began his covenant with, I will make a 13th tribe”. The covenant of old was with only the 12 tribes, the new covenant is only with the Apostolic Church of which you have cut yourself off.

  • Grandmere

    Now is the time to keep up with current events like never before.

  • Grandmere

    When you can correctly quote Billy Graham, come on back. You have proven yourself both lazy and ignorant. We can be kind of rough on lazy, ignorant people in here. Just sayin’.

  • Grandmere

    Get a dictionary before you come back.

  • Trevor

    Your comment smacks of Sufism, heretic.

    You write, ” it’s not an obedience… It’s a shear submition to that true love for His supreme creation.”

    You dolt! What is obedience but submission to God?

    You write, “.just too much doctrine and not enough of Yahweh our creator…”

    Again, being a dolt, you would not know what doctrine was if it hit you in face with Grandmere’s cast iron frying pan. Thanks to the early church fathers who were students of Jesus’ disciples, we know what the correct doctrine is, unlike you who use the Hebrew Root Movement’s term to substitute God with a modern twist of Hebrews language.

    Get lost.

    • Love it when I see educated Christians.

      • Trevor

        Thank you. I can’t stand reading watered down drivel that makes Jesus more a weed-smoking, peace loving hippie that is a byproduct of the perverted generation from the 60s-80s.

        • Theodore call it the surfing Jesus smoking ganja dressed in a Hawaiian shirt.

          • Trevor

            Ha ha. Similar description. I have a feeling if Ted and I ever sat in a cafe, we would probably talk for hours.

            I would love to meet you and your wife, so I can personally thank her for her faithfulness which led you to Christ.

  • James

    Southern Germany is Catholic. It would be great to think that the Teutonic Order (which is dedicated to Our Lady) might reprise its military role once more and become powerful as things start looking more desperate – though they have now moved to Vienna. There are doubtlessly many good German Catholics so hopefully there is still hope for Germany yet.

  • And who ever said Luke that we have no problem with this new catechism? Each and everyone of us has a responsibility to think and decipher when evil works within the church. This is the same case you have where you see Rick Warren bering over backwards for Muslims and Homosexuals. It is the signs of the times Luke where a Catholic and a righteous Evangelical can see eye to eye on many issues while they differ on others.

  • Sure you can. And its good that you break away, but then schisms within schisms and more breakaways … it becomes a total mess when you have thousands of denominations with zero accountability by a central body. While we both agree that the Vatican has been infiltrated by homosexuality and bending over backwards to Islam, there is still a better outcome on issues of theology if you have a central body to decide theological soundness on matters of faith.

  • JaCa

    Who is man that he should dictate how other men worship God? Some say Catholics are wrong, some say Protestants are wrong, and other say that both groups are wrong. And, based upon the fighting between the two groups, the third view the world has, has been brought about by both groups.

    Truth is, no one man can dictate to another man how he is suppose to worship God. For this error has caused more division than any other error known to man. Conviction of sin is not man’s job, that is the job of the Holy Spirit. For God weighs the motives of the heart, not the religion they belong to.

    One can argue all they want, but in the end, when it is all said and done, we will all stand in front of the Throne of God individually and not corporately.

    Oh, and by the way, division is not the work of God, rather Satan.

    • “Conviction of sin is not man’s job, that is the job of the Holy Spirit.”

      Then by this, the Holy Spirit does not communicate through men in which according to the Holy Spirit is a heresy.

      And by this heresy, staxo below was deceived … by men.

    • Nan

      Every Protestant church was started by as man. The Catholic Church wass founded by Jesus.

    • Trevor

      You asked, “Who is man that he should dictate how other men worship God?”

      Start reading in the giving of the laws by God in the O.T. and then see that God had very specific prescriptions on how to worship Him. Christ came to fulfill the Law, and no longer needed to be bounded to a specific geographical location to worship, as Christ told the woman at the well. The Church, which began in Jerusalem, have reached the world and continues to do so in spite of heretics who have seduced men into wrong thoughts of Christ from the Church’s infancy to present day.

      “Truth is, no one man can dictate to another man how he is suppose to worship God.” What a flawed and a huge heap of baloney sauce! Let me ask you the following question:

      1) When Jesus died, was it a mere phantom?
      2) When Jesus died, did the Christ and Jesus separated?
      3) When Jesus died, did the man die, or did the God-man die?

      What does that have to do with worship of God? EVERYTHING! You see, the above questions are the heretics who taught and deceived early Christians until the apostles had to fight against the heretics and bring back the wayward sheep by teaching the correct doctrine, which in turn leads to the correct form of worship.

      “For this error has caused more division than any other error known to man”

      Take a look at my 3 questions I posed and you can see what the error is.

      “Conviction of sin is not man’s job, that is the job of the Holy Spirit.”

      What foolish comment. The Holy Spirit partners with man to preach the word. That has been the scheme from the beginning of the Church. Jesus promised that the Helper, that is the Holy Spirit, will teach the apostles and bear witness to them the words of Christ. Together, the apostles and the Holy Spirit convicted the world of sins. Why do we read in the Book of Acts when Peter was finished preaching his first sermon, being filled with the Holy Spirit, the hearers were convicted and asked Peter what to do? The question now is asked, was it the Holy Spirit alone? Peter alone? God alone? Or was it all three working together in a beautiful harmony?

      ” For God weighs the motives of the heart, not the religion they belong to.”

      Um, dude, you may want to find the Scriptures reference for that.

      “One can argue all they want, but in the end, when it is all said and
      done, we will all stand in front of the Throne of God individually and
      not corporately.”

      Please quote chapter and verse for this.

      “Oh, and by the way, division is not the work of God, rather Satan.”

      And Satan is using you to cause division.

  • “My gosh, Walid, people rarely go to church in Germany, ”

    I undermined nothing James. Had you read my article carefully you would have seen “Some will argue that what we say here is of no consequence since churchgoing has been in decline in Germany as elsewhere in Europe since secularization has spread. However, religious ideas do shape the way Germans talk and think …” And there you are, already arguing.

    I went to a German Anglican school and worked for Germans and I know what you say already.

    “You really undermine your credibility by reducing Germany to a polarity of Protestants vs Catholics.”

    You really undermine your credibility for not quoting my exact words. Unlike you, I quote exactly what you state.

    “In Germany, it laid the foundation for the rise of Marxism and nazism”

    In Germany
    It also laid the ground for schism
    Araian … Luther … and Protestantism

  • Higlac

    Enough of us HAVE read the Bible including the entire Book of Revelation (not just a few chapters here and there); and there is much about the Babylon described in Revelation 17 that does NOT – repeat, NOT – correspond with Rome.

    I’ll point out that the Vatican is on the OPPOSITE bank from the heart of Old Rome, which happens to include seven hills as part of itself. Ergo, the Vatican is NOT upon any of the seven hills – and in the time of Imperial Rome was NOT part of that city!!!

    Other cities to whom Revelation 17 and 18 could conceivably point to include such big metropolises like New York, London, San Francisco, and – best of all – Mecca (which happens to be founded upon seven hills, something that doesn’t fit either New York or London). Compared to any of those four cities, Rome – although famous – still doesn’t have quite that kind of current importance or size.

    Also, what church was alone in place in the world between AD 325 and 1054?? The Catholic: the Orthodox hadn’t separated yet (not until 1054 did that happened), let alone the Protestants (after the attempts of Wyclif and Hus, it wasn’t until 1517/10/31 that Martin Luther posted his 95 Theses to a church door in Wittenberg relative to indulgences and their frivolous marketing by a monk by the name of Johann Tetzel). Also, it was that same Roman Catholic Church that discerned the worth and order of the New Testament books.

    Look up your history and THEN see if anything of what I’ve written above is false.

    • Trevor

      Higs bringing the hammer. Here, have my hammer.

      • Higlac

        Thank you, “Trevor”: I wasn’t out to hammer anybody, just to point out what all too many Protestants don’t like to admit. Somebody who has enough historical knowledge and who has read a fair amount of the Bible as I have (wish I could bring myself to read it daily!!) knows better than to accept some of the lies those wretches circulate (whether in ignorance or in malice, the result is the same)…

    • Grandmere

      Boom!!! Another Hislop zombie bites the dust.

      • “Boom!!! Another Hislop zombie bites the dust.”

        It was supposed to be “SNAP!!! Another Hislop zombie bites the dust.”

        What have you been getting yourself into Grand? Now they will put our blog on the terror watch list.

        • Grandmere

          I snap. He booms. What can I do? When the boom gets lowered it sounds more like “the bomb”.

  • Higlac


    And who created that “New-Age” ‘movement’??? MARXISTS!!!! That’s how they’re out to pervert and destroy the Christian faith – and with whom have they had the most success? PROTESTANTS!!!

    [Mind you, plenty of Catholics and even some Orthodox (Western converts in the latter case) are infected with this PLAGUE…]

    • Nan

      There are a lot of halfadox who haven’t lost their protestant attitude.

      • racarrera

        Dorkadox. Hyperdox. There should be a list of these names…

        • Nan

          I love dorkadox! Haven’t heard either of those before.

          • racarrera

            There’s a meme of a chap called Hyperdox Herman. It fits those who overdo it here.

    • racarrera

      One has to be wary of American Orthodox. A lot of them bring their own prejudices into the Church. It’s best to make the effort to learn Greek, Russian or Romanian (and Arabic) to learn what the Church is actually saying, rather than some of the ham-handed silliness we sometimes see from the smells-and-bells crowd.

      • Higlac

        I’ve thought of American Orthodox as being poisoned with the Western flavours of Marxism (e.g., consumerism) on account of where they live and who they are. Also, I know some Russian – mind you, MUCH less than what I’d need to know for this kind of goal…

  • Grandmere

    I don’t know any Koran loving Protestants either. I take that back. Rick Warren is a fan, I believe.

    • mspip

      he would be…

  • rodolfo

    These are the passages I’ve read

    James 5:14-17 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
    14 Is any man sick among you? Let him bring in the priests of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.
    15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick man: and the Lord shall raise him up: and if he be in sins, they shall be forgiven him.
    16 Confess therefore your sins one to another: and pray one for another, that you may be saved. For the continual prayer of a just man availeth much.

    John 20 21-23 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition
    21 He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you.
    22 When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost.
    23 Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.

    James 2 14-25 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
    14 What shall it profit, my brethren, if a man say he hath faith, but hath not works? Shall faith be able to save him?
    15 And if a brother or sister be naked, and want daily food:
    16 And one of you say to them: Go in peace, be ye warmed and filled; yet give them not those things that are necessary for the body, what shall it profit?
    17 So faith also, if it have not works, is dead in itself.
    18 But some man will say: Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without works; and I will shew thee, by works, my faith.
    19 Thou believest that there is one God. Thou dost well: the devils also believe and tremble.
    20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
    21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, offering up Isaac his son upon the altar?
    22 Seest thou, that faith did co-operate with his works; and by works faith was made perfect?
    23 And the scripture was fulfilled, saying: Abraham believed God, and it was reputed to him to justice, and he was called the friend of God.
    24 Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only?
    25 And in like manner also Rahab the harlot, was not she justified by works, receiving the messengers, and sending them out another way?
    26 For even as the body without the spirit is dead; so also faith without works is dead.

  • So easily deceived.

    • Grandmere

      And so easily offended. Oh, my! This one has a weak stomach. He wants a fake chocolate milk shake with a dollop of “Kool Whip” on top.

  • Tell me Luke, what is wrong with this:

    “God, the Creator of all, without whom we cannot do or even think anything that is good, has inspired to your heart this act of kindness. He who enlightens all men coming into this world (John 1.9) has enlightened your mind for this purpose. Almighty God, who desires all men to be saved (1 Timothy 2.4) and none to perish is well pleased to approve in us most of all that besides loving God men love other men, and do not do to others anything they do not want to be done unto themselves (cf. Mt. 7.14). We and you must show in a special way to the other nations an example of this charity, for we believe and confess one God, although in different ways, and praise and worship Him daily as the creator of all ages and the ruler of this world. For as the apostle says: “He is our peace who has made us both one.” (Eph. 2.14) Many among the Roman nobility, informed by us of this grace granted to you by God, greatly admire and praise your goodness and virtues… God knows that we love you purely for His honour and that we desire your salvation and glory, both in the present and in the future life. And we pray in our hearts and with our lips that God may lead you to the abode of happiness, to the bosom of the holy patriarch Abraham, after long years of life here on earth.” Pope Gregory VII

    I see nothing wrong here.

  • Grandmere

    Sorry, We do not serve strawberry/kiwi smoothies at this falafel shop. Try Panera Bread down the block.

  • Trevor

    Your problem is with heavy handed comments? Shoot, Jesus had to call Peter Satan because Peter wasn’t being mindful of Christ. Was that heavy handed? Sure.

    The problem with folks who subscribe to the same mentality is the church is to be a campfire meeting where everyone swap stories instead of attending Mass to hear the words from the Scriptures carefully selected to harmonize the New and Old Testaments.

    The second problem is the silly notion that to bear fruit, one must be nice. How so silly. The apostle Paul had no problem chastening the Corinthians in both epistles. He even addressed how some said his letters were weighty and powerful. One would think after both epistles the Corinthians were all horky dorky. Nope. Clement, an early church father, wrote to them and called them an embarrassment to the apostles for their continued disputes.

    So you see, there’s this thing called “tough love,” and that is precisely what western Christians need. There’s time to praise and there’s time for the rod to thwack on the backside to get Christians going.

    Heavy handed? Ha.

    • Grandmere

      The rod, the trap and the skillet. He needs to take his pick because sooner or later he will get one, or two, or the Catfish Special.

      • Trevor

        Pray, what is a Catfish Special?

        • Grandmere

          My big old cast iron skillet.

  • Grandmere

    When you do something out of your love for Christ, do you not feel good about it?

  • Grandmere

    Sorry. Your missed it again. Not only did you not correctly quote Graham, You put words in his mouth that he never would have said. Go back and read you post. This is what happens when you get all hot and bothered and don’t take time to organize your thoughts. Now you are all hopped up and mad because I pointed that out. Don’t worry. I would never, under any circumstances , hire you to be my secretary. If you persist, this can become quite embarrassing for you.

    • Nan

      Thast ship sailed by the time she accused the Church of adding to the Bible.

  • Grandmere

    Pope Leo XIII was so very concerned about that very thing. Lucifer, is always working 24/7/365 to get in any where and any way he can. We must be sober and vigilant as scripture says.

  • Grandmere

    Diane, you need to grow a hide. I am Anglican and I have never taken Walid’s comments to apply to me personally. My Catholic family here do not take comments about rogue priests personally. I can tell you, though, I here more heresy spewing from the mouths of “Protestants” than even the occasional atheist or Muslim who stumbles up in here.

  • Nan

    Maybe you should read the history of your man made Church.

  • Nan

    That Bible of which you speak was brought to you by the Catholic Church.

  • Nan

    No. I call you an idiot for not learning history. It was Martin Luther who took away from Scripture. The Catholic Church didn’t add to it. If your foundational assumptions are wrong, what hope have you for truth?

  • Nan

    The problem here is that from our perspective, Protestants left the Church thast Jesus founded and are floundering in a quagmire of evil without recognizing that.

  • Higlac

    NO: I’m NOT – repeat, NOT – pinning anything whatsoever on Western culture. As to the KGB (nowadays FSB), I know that the Russians have lost much of their interest in Communism. The Marxists are the ones HERE in the West who were indoctrinated by left-wing professors from the 1920s onwards!!!

    I know better than to think of all Protestants, Catholics, OR Orthodox as being in the least members of the Freemasons or the “Illuminati”, “Bilderbergers” or whoever else; however, those who have anything to do with those groups do become highly influential…

  • Trevor

    I swear, you wouldn’t know the Bible if I smacked you silly with it. So GET LOST!

    • Be careful, he could sue you for threat with a deadly weapon.

      • Trevor

        I apologize for overstepping. I have had my fill of watered down Christianity.

        • No need to apologize my friend.

          • Trevor

            So I went to Mass yesterday and loved every minute of it.

      • Grandmere

        Grandmere’s catfish special strikes again! Reminds me of the old song, Midnight Special. ” Let the Catfish Special shine it’s light on me. Let the Catfish Special shine it’s ever lovin’ light on me.” ROFL

  • Trevor

    Furthermore, dialogue with you is as useless as arguing with a mule. You are so blinded by your happy-clappy theology that you would rather to follow a caricature of Jesus that is smoking weed and flashing the peace sign that you have completely abandoned sound doctrine that was entrusted by the Church down the ages, I will have no further dialogue with a heretic like you.

    I don’t give a two cents what your opinion of me is anymore, so good bye and DON’T EVER RESPONSE TO MY COMMENTS FROM THIS POINT FORWARD. I WILL IGNORE IT.

    • Now you understand why at times I turn into a Michael Savage.

      • Trevor

        I don’t know how you deal with it.

        Well, I’m off to witness a communion for young children at the invitation of a lady my wife knows. I’ll be at St. Mary for Mass.

      • Grandmere

        Here is one just for you, Chef. Man! It’s a jungle out there.

  • You see Tim you got me all confused. In my book, I’d rather sit with an on fire Evangelical than a lapse Catholic and I’d rather sit with a strong Catholic than an Evangelical no matter what.

  • Most of what Evangelicals know about history is “70 AD” this and “70 AD” that. It does not go much before and not much after and that is how you know an Ahistoric.

  • Tell me more on what you do Bible and less on your talk Bible and I will tell you what type of Christian you really are.

    • Tim

      Why do I have to tally my works for you my friend? That is between me and my Savior

      • Great. Just make sure that your scripture reading too is between you and your savior. I can do my own scripture reading. Okay?

  • Bad logic. It is as if someone showed you verses where Jesus is not mentioned as makes an argument that Jesus is not necessary. Same when it comes to verses about the Church. If it is not necessary for the salvation of souls, Jesus would have never instituted it. Tim, your logic is kindergarten.

  • If someone writes “Catholic priest molested” should that insult all Catholics?

    I rest my case.

    • racarrera

      History has never been an American Evangelical strong point. Their failure to read outside of their cheap comics is what leads to schism after schism, and lie after damnable lie.

      • Nan

        Chick tracts?

        • racarrera


  • “I have known many Catholics who are immoral supporters of the homosexual agenda and believe that Muslims worship the same God. ”

    I haven’t. I get rid of everyone like this no matter what they claim to be Catholic, Protestant, Atheist, Muslim, devil worshipper … I do not see those as “Catholic” or “Protestant” they are all devil worshippers.

  • Trevor

    Ignoring Protestant for a moment, Catholic and Orthodox have, by and large, been steadfast in Christian doctrine since the beginning. It wasn’t until the Great Schism the two lungs of Christianity were separated. They both did not lose their apostolic succession nor the Sacrements, but loss of unity.

    Today, there is no doubt there are ungodly factions within both lungs trying to undo all the correct doctrine for heresies.

    This bring us to Protestants. I do not consider Anglicans to be Protestants since they were part of Rome. It was a political gambit by the king of England that backfired on him, and the Pope was also held as a political hostage to king of France. It was a messy affair. The good news is that the Anglicans, mainly those within the GAFCON/ACNA, that have been embraced by Orthodox and Catholics. The Anglicans also hold to the same Sacrements of orthodoxy and they, like Rome and Constantipole, believe in apostolic succession.

    The non-apostolic Protestants are in a league of their own that is growing messier and further splintered. With no central authority or council, Protestants are a huge pile of divided body that is resembling more of a caricature of a disfigured Frankenstein than a holy, apostolic church. That is not to say there doesn’t exist godly Protestants, however, I find them to be small and far in between.

    I am more convinced that those who hold hatred toward Rome will embrace the Antichrist.

  • Grandmere

    I can see well enough to notice a lack of sentence structure and several misspelled words.That according the the Doctrine of English Grammar.

    • Tim

      We’re dialoguing on a blog Grandmere lol….. just another excuse to deflect from biblical discussion and launch another heart felt personal attack on someone you don’t even know.

  • All this from one line I wrote to Tim to encourage the man to do more than just quote. I wonder what will I get had I written two lines?

  • All I said was that you were deceived. Thats rude?

    I better say much much less next time.


    I wonder what you will get out of my letter “A” above. Perhaps you can extract something. Who knows.

    So many like to find “ruddiness” under every rock. They seem to seek it, search for it, fetch it like the easter colored eggs.

    Who knows you might find somethings here in the word “easter …” who knows. Perhaps you will start off with Constantine and end with Pope Francis.

    Go for it.

    • Grandmere

      Please, Chef! Can I proffer the letter B? I promise to leave the rest of the alphabet to others.

      • “B”

        Now thats something. These guys now will find something in “B”, perhaps you called them the “B” word or “B” and and “S” word … I think we should just stick with C.

        B is just too dangerous. No no no. Not at my falafel stand. We could loose fans.

        I had one comment today that one guy said that he is not a fan anymore because of the article on the Popes and how they fought Islam.

  • Reader,

    I am not sure what is the purpose of your comment here, but all I was telling Tim is that trying to do the will of God is more important than quoting the will of God.

    Is that a crime?

    Whats all this about “Catholic” this and “Catholic” that?

    If you want to examine what the other side does, please give me your view on this, but please carefully examine it:

    There are evil priests and evil pastors. Do you think I like evil people? I don’t. I fight these myself. Just look up Shoebat and Pedophile Priest and Homosexual Priest and see how much we write on this. We even have one where we went to the church and confronted the priest in front of his congregation.

    Sorry to hear you lost your father in WWII. This is sad to having lived without a father.

    With blessing,


  • Grandmere

    Dude? If you don’t speak French there is this thing called Google. Try again.

  • Grandmere

    They hate what “protestantism” has done to the Church. You must admit that it is a free for all out there if one is Protestant. Just look around your own town. Lord have mercy!

  • Grandmere

    You just don’t get my humor. Some do, some don’t.

  • Grandmere


    • Tim

      I’m saying don’t be so in love with the church because in these end times, relying on the word of God might be all we have to keep feeding us spiritually….

  • Grandmere

    If you would drink your beer and get that stick out of your [email protected]@ we would probably get along better than you think.

  • Grandmere

    Maybe you are not a father. A loving Father expects obedience from his child or there will be a consequence.

  • Grandmere

    Sometimes it can be difficult to pick up a person’s tone in a few written words. It does get like the Wild West in here sometimes. But after a while you get used to it no matter what it says above the door where you worship the Lord.

  • Grandmere

    Keep a sense of humor. I’m old and the things people say and do have only gotten funnier as the years roll along. “Lord, what fools these mortals be.”

  • Grandmere

    Me too. Let me make you some good, strong tea.

  • Trevor

    I have addressed this under the article about the warrior-pope.

  • Trevor

    I am a very blunt person. To the point of losing friendship. If Jesus had no problem calling the Pharisees a white washed tomb or calling Peter Satan to kick him in the rear end, then why should I not come down hard?

    If there is one thing I truly despise, it is bad theology based on how one should feel instead of acting in obedience.

    Having gone to three Mass already, I can already see how so wrong Protestants and bitter ex-Catholics are about the Mass. Just last night, I witnessed little children receiving their first Communion. They have no problem accepting the Eucharist as the Body and Blood of Christ, why then do adults?

    That reminds me of when Christ, exasperated at the disciples continual dispute among themselves, set a child in their midst and said, “Unless you have faith like the little child, you will by no means enter the kingdom.” So, it’s not just a matter of just faith, but also obedience.

    That is what irritates the heck out of me, dealing with commentators who think the walk of faith is solely based on just faith and just trust, completely ignoring that obedience is also key to keeping our salvation.

    After all, Christ said, “If you love me, you will keep My commandments.” Christ gave us a choice, we will either keep His commandments or not. The word, if, is a conditional statement that must be true, and that is completely lost on the Once Saved, Always Saved crowd, which is a completely foreign concept to eastern, apostolic Christians.

    Our salvation is dependent on Christ who did all the heavy lifting at the Cross, and all God asks from us is to be holy, for without holiness, no man may see the Lord, and that means obedience.

    As Revelation says, “”Let the one who does wrong, still do wrong; and
    the one who is filthy, still be filthy; and let the one who is
    righteous, still practice righteousness; and the one who is holy, still
    keep himself holy,” (Revelation 22:11). There is absolutely no room for compromise in the Kingdom.

    Obedience is key to maintaining our salvation, in spite of what happy-clappy evangelical wants us to believe.

  • racarrera

    Quit lying. You people have no shame.

  • You asked about church authority, then when someone responds you change the subject to the pedophiles, and if the pedophile issue is addressed, you will change the subject to wafers and if wafers is addressed, you will change the subject to Mariology and if Marilogy is addressed you will start at #1.

    Until you learn to stick to the subject you brought up it will be a futile practice of spin-arguments.

    So pick a subject, just one. What is it?

    After you do, go and research it FIRST on Google. Make sure you read both sides of the argument carefully.

    Then get back here and tell us what you found.


  • racarrera

    The KGB? They have not been operational since 1992, and the FSB isn’t at all the same organization.

  • Michelle Therese

    I need to internalize that verse!!

  • Michelle Therese

    Are you truly Protestant though? To be truly Protestant you have to know about the history of your church, the writings and behavior and deeds of your founders, and still remain in that church. All these other post-Reformation churches, so many of them are not truly what I would call “Protestant” because they are not living out the Christian Faith in in a reactionary protest against Rome and Catholicism. Most hardly know a thing about the actual Reformation, or the Reformers, or the churches established by these Reformers in perpetual protest against Rome. An easy way to distinguish a Protestant:

    If you believe “Catholics are not Christians”, have a “mission” to denounce “Roman Catholicism” any chance you get, and feel the need to attach almost all of your dogma and beliefs and traditions with some kind of anti-Rome, anti-Catholic “unlike THEM, we don’t do …” statement or sentiment, then you are a Protest-ant.

    If you are worshiping Christ to the best of your ability and you’re not worried about saving Catholics from “The Roman System” and you hardly know anything about Catholics, and you rarely think about Catholics and Catholicism, then you are a modern post-Reformation non-Catholic Christian.

    To be Protestant is to be in active Protest against the Catholic Church, and to ally oneself with *anyone* no matter how vile in order to take down the Catholic Church ~ and this includes the Ottoman Empire.

  • Michelle Therese

    But you have taken Walid’s words personally, you say so yourself:

    “I get so tired of being accused of collaborating with the anti-Christ because I am Protestant. I have never accused the Vatican of being the “harlot” or of saying that Catholics, Orthodox, etc., are not Christians.”

    The best thing to do is understand what exactly a Protestant is, what Protestantism taught and still teaches, and the incredible destruction to Christendom and the entire world that was caused by Protestantism. For example: Secularism, Liberalism, even Islam, these are all the result of people throwing off the authority of Christ and His Church and making themselves their own King and Pope: the exact thing taught and implemented by the Protestants and their “Reformation” revolt.

    And grow a hide. Sorry to be so blunt but it gets frustrating watching necessary conversations being derailed by people complaining about *themselves* being offended. We have a hurting world to fix, this isn’t just about our own feelings.

  • Michelle Therese

    Yes, Protestantism is all bad, 100% bad. But like I keep asking, Art thou a Protestant? I highly doubt it, from the blissful ignorance displayed in your comments regarding the true nature of Protestantism, what it taught/teaches, and the destruction it has wrought. You are a non-Protestant Christian I can bet on it.

  • racarrera

    It is time for Apostolic Christians to read 2 Peter 2:12 and act on that. Now.

  • “but isn’t MAKING AN ENEMY OUT OF THE ALLIES only an advantage to the true enemy?”


    Why not just wait till the Sunday Special. The answers will be there. The issue is not ‘allies’ but who these ‘allies are supporting’. They support Islamists.

    You will completely understand once I am done with the project. This Sunday. Just for you brother Curtis.

    ” Walid , I am protestant”

    What is that supposed to mean Curtis? Explain that one for me for I do not find the term in Scripture.

    A Protestant means that you believe in Sola Scriptura. And if I stuck to scripture I do not find the word “Protestant” in it.


      There are no ” Islamists “Walid, just Muslims … Trump is the greatest offender on his way to ” work with ” Muslims partners ” in Saudi … its completely bizarre We are expected to believe trumps money to fortify Jihadist lands is ” just business ” colluding with the enemy is ” diplomacy ” we should be boming trump and his 50 jihadist kings not BELIVING they are ” fighting extremism ” hand in hand in coexistence singing ” we shall over come ” … really … REALLY ? protestant TO ME MEANS I BELIVE IN THE BIBLE WHICH INDICATES A DIRECT PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP[ WITH GOD AND NO MIDDLE MEN ,,, If catholics want to go to a priest for confession so be it … I do not agree with the ritual parts but it stands to reason advise from an elder or someone in the scriptures daily can be useful . Forgive my ignorance but don’t Catholics also say the scriptures ” word of God ” is the ultimate authority alone . the scriptures tell me of dreams and in my dreams I too am focused and listening a man dream I have had is about telling the truth / honesty , even when it seems most difficult , like Christ’s nakedness … Parks the fighter pilot threw social conventions out the window when attacked by bees in the woods and in front of crowds of neighbors and family shed his bathing suit and dove into the swimming hole naked … might have saved his life . we need to have this kind of lack of social convention and prioritizing what really matters … our egos are nothing … our survival by honoring truth is every things later his son was the first one baptized in that same creek I believe in the church he had founded which was a new church from the one his Air crusading father established ( infantry fighter pilot as it was army and no ” air force ” but army air core … at 22 he set out in the first news also to gather support of the troops by interviewing then and in millions of listeners tactical nationalism such as having them conserve certain things need in war productions and reuniting our crusaders with families and brothers in Arms … AFTER WW1 AND BEFORE WW2 was interviewing the common man ( which shifted to our troopers ) he firmly believed in the ” whosoever ” doctrine of Christ ” so that We don’t care about the nationality or race you have vno control over but the content of your character , Not to ” trivialize ” your question but did I earn a dollar for answering correctly ?

  • Higlac

    You’re welcome.

    The irony is that I’m not at this time formally affiliated with ANY of the three branches of Christianity (Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant). I’ll dare say that in many ways I’m too picky for my own good, especially when bearing in mind that each of the three has its good sides AND its foibles.

    If we had Benedict XVI back and could be sure that most or all of his subordinate clergy would be wholesome theologically, liturgically and spiritually (as good people, especially the clergymen), I could GLADLY join the Romanists, especially via the provisions of Anglicanorum Cœtibus – alas, the current bishop of the diocese where I live (likely a “Liberal”) has suspended all such services (and it also is quite far at 111 km.); to boot,many Canadian Catholics are all too often DREADFULLY LAX where it counts in my understanding.

    Orthodoxy (in which I was born and largely raised) entails the same distance – and I like neither their distaste against instrumental music (I love the organ and other instruments very much!!!) nor their fanaticism against the filioque clause. Still, I have to give them the credit of being the least corrupt by the Marxist poison.

    This leaves us with the Protestants: mine is a Protestant area indeed. ALAS, they (especially the “mainstream”) are the MOST CORRUPT of all with such Marxist “innovations” like “inclusive language” (ANATHEMA for me, especially when applied to the Godhead!!!!!), extremely watered-down standards in music, liturgy and theology overall – and overall too much smugness and contempt in their congregations towards my concerns.

    Ergo, I’m in a quandary. My choices thus would be Western Orthodoxy (again VERY FAR away), Anglican-rite Catholicism (both far AND hindered by prelates), Missouri-Synod Lutheranism (which alas is notably bigoted against Catholicism and Orthodoxy if I understand correctly) or independent Anglican sub-branches (again far).

    • I hope you don’t mind Higlac me spying at your comment here and please do not take offense since I am just honesty giving my experience and view. Interesting to see the western thought process in choosing which church they attend and why. Wow. I should put this in my next spy report for the KGB to explain how Russia can infiltrate the West with Orthodoxy and how to appeal to the Western mindset. Maybe I should send another report to the Vatican to point where they need to correct. Or perhaps a third report to the Mossad to see how they can plant Zionism in all … just kidding.

      But when I made my choice where to go none of these were issues to me. It mattered zero % to me what problems the church has or what type of music they played or how corrupt Vatican is versus Orthodox versus Protestant corruption. I simply looked for the poorest and ugliest church I can possibly find, a reject of rejects. All I cared about is the priest. If the priest was good that is everything. I found one. I then vowed to help build it up. The idea is simple: take nothing, give everything since there is nothing more precious than the Eucharist.

      Triple Agent Walid.

      • Higlac

        Outstanding point, Mr. Walid Shoebat, regarding the priests (and ministers). BRAVISSIMO for you!!! Alas, it doesn’t help that I live in an entirely-rural setting where choices are restricted by the relative paucity of people.

        Otherwise, I’ll freely admit that I’m quite spoiled as an ex-church-music director on account of having ideas as to how I wish so very much to go musically, theologically, liturgically, &c. No doubt I indeed need to remember that statement of yours that there is nothing more precious than the Eucharist!!!!

        No offence taken; furthermore, I very much needed the reproof as to what by rights ought to be the most important on my “shopping list”…