Major Christian Leader Makes This Declaration To Erdogan: ‘Muhammad Is A False Prophet And Is In Hell Right Now, Allah Is A False God, Jesus Christ Is God, Accept Christ As Your Lord And Savior.’

By Theodore Shoebat

Major Christian leader, Metropolit Seraphim of Piraeus, has just made a declaration to the president of Turkey, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, that Muhammad is a false prophet, that Allah is a false god, and that Erdogan must accept Christ. This story is being published by several Greek publication, such as the Athenian newspaper, Neos Kosmos, and the Orthodox publication, Pravoslavie.  I did a whole video on this:

According to the report:

Greek Orthodox Bishop, Metropolit Seraphim of Piraeus has caused controversy by urging Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan to convert to Orthodoxy with Russian President Vladimir Putin as his godfather. And no, it’s not a joke.

In a 37-page letter to Erdogan written in Greek, Metropolit Seraphim asks the Turkish leader to denounce his Islamic faith and be baptised in the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople.

“If you want to save yourself and your family you should convert to Greek Orthodox Church, the only real faith,” Seraphim writes, reports Keep Talking Greece.

“We propose and we advise you to come to the arms of the Greek Orthodox Church before the end of your life on earth.

“Otherwise, you will unfortunately find yourself, your family and your people in the same place where Allah, Muhammad and his followers are, ie. in the place of suffering, eternal and unending hell.”

He calls on Erdogan to “repent, cry, be humble and believe in Christ,” and claims that “the Holy Trinity of God will open the arms for you”.

If Erdogan is to heed the Metropolit’s advice, he says that the Orthodox faithful on earth and in heaven will rejoice and “the angels in heaven after your enter the true Church!”

In the extensive letter, the Bishop also analyses Greece’s 400 years under Ottoman rule, the Treaty of Lausanne, Turkey’s recent history and the country’s efforts to join the European Union.

Despite concluding his letter with “honour, respect and honest brother love”, it contains a number of remarks in which he insults the Koran, the Prophet Muhammad, and describes Islam as a sect rather than a religion.

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  • racarrera

    This is a heck of an Easter present.

    • Kamau41

      Indeed!!

    • Стефан Евгений

      I’ve been a services all day and evening, so I say OPA!

      • Julie LaBrecque

        Ditto for me – what news to come home to.

        • Стефан Евгений

          I have not even dyed my eggs yet, then Liturgy at 7: am and the big event from 10:00 pm to about ^6:oo am. Hope you have a very blessed Easter dear!

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Same to you!

          • Стефан Евгений

            I found this for you, this Church was near my hotel. lets say i was thrilled!

          • David W

            Blessed Pascha to you and yours!

          • Стефан Евгений

            And to you my brother.

          • racarrera

            Hristos Voskrese!

          • Стефан Евгений

            Voistinu voskrese! brother!

      • Kkdgrace

        You blessed peeps!! I have had to rely on the internet to get at least a “feel” for the services. Not a very good replacement, but the best I can do in my current situation. Still…..that doesn’t detract from the meaning or Sacredness of this time. May God bless you all!

  • AnthonyM

    That is quite a letter, 37 pages. I assume it was an open letter.
    It is not likely to go unanswered, especially since Erdogans’ followers attribute to him near god-like qualities..

  • Kamau41

    WOW!!!!! What an amazing and bold declaration to confront the devil on the start of this Easter weekend.

    • Kkdgrace

      Couldn’t have said it better myself!

  • Now that’s what I call evangelism.

    • Darren Neufeldt

      If only we all could be so bold at all times.

      • Yeah. It is gutsy of him to do that. I cannot think of any major Christian leader who did this. None.

      • Kamau41

        AMEN!!

    • Kkdgrace

      Amen to that!

  • Sol Benedict

    Well, the Devil has been put on notice…I admire the Bishop’s courage. Things are coming to a head. Surely the Second Coming draws near…

  • PaulF

    Now there goes a true pastor of souls. How many would wake up from demonic deception if all pastors proclaimed the truth with that kind of compassion and conviction? The face of the earth will be renewed.

  • jami

    Biggest proposal. Proud Proposal. God bless this Bishop and hopefully more Bishops follow , also we should make proposals to accept Jesus, to every non believing

  • Julie LaBrecque

    The bullseye on his back just grew by leaps and bounds. We will all hold our breath awaiting to hear the response from Erdogan….Tick, tick, tick…

    • Kkdgrace

      Probably all planned out already, doncha think?

  • filomena seiffert

    It will be persecuted for it, they will attempt on his life. May God send the archangels to protect his life. Has my admiration for his courage.

  • filomena seiffert

    Went to the liturgy of Jesus crucifixion old Latin, beautiful and long. Was glad to see so many people to confession and some using the veil. The good bishop with pastor have redone the altar putting Jesus back to where He belongs, on the center. They put communion rails and had all the painted glass windows redone. I spent 5 hours in the church today. The community of nuns began 3 years ago with 2 nuns, now they have a dozen and they use the habit. Great blessing

  • Tom_mcewen

    This was interesting, Protestants normal takes a step back when Islam steps forward, could be just politeness or appeasement, the future will tell, but the Greeks who had 400 years of Islamic paradise, just took a stand, either Erdogan pushes his nose into the Orthodox Church with fire or steps back we wait to see, Greeks seem to love fighting if they can’t find an enemy they will fight among themselves, to their failure, but this is not politeness nor appeasement.

    • Kkdgrace

      Or “give me salvation or give me death”. I’ll take salvation, thank you.

      • Tom_mcewen

        I think actually you have to be dead before you know about salvation, something about obedience and words and deeds.

        • Kkdgrace

          Right you are! (But not necessarily on the being “dead long before you”). There goes that Protestant background of mine, affecting my phraseology. I think that is the most difficult part of converting- the re-orienting of one’s entire manner of thinking, especially the manner in which all things pertaining to faith and salvation are viewed. Some past teachings are so very deep-seated that one may not be entirely conscious of them- it takes time and much saturation into a new way of thinking before these views can be completely”rooted out”. You know what? That is probably one of my biggest concerns with those who convert from a Protestant background- that they will come into the Church knowing the tenets of the Faith they are now professing- and be sincere in doing so- while still having many underlying attitudes, views, and beliefs still rooted in the Protestant way of viewing anything pertaining to the Faith. Not consciously or deliberately mind you- but still “there”, as a result of the multiple years of exposure. My fear is that if this is not dealt with by each individual convert (as well as by the Church herself), there may be a danger of the Church, or an individual congregation, of becoming “infected” by these beliefs, albeit unintentionally. Just something to think about and guard against…for both the convert and the Community of the Faithful. Does that make any sense? I know I have a tendency to ramble and have difficulty expressing myself at times. God bless, Tom! Happy Easter!

          • Tom_mcewen

            Yes, they are told they have the assurance of salvation by verseology not by theology. They are told they have a contract with God, but they took a moment to look at the bottom, they would see God didn’t sign in the space typed God. Just the space with their name. The problem is they interpret Paul who is lesser but ignore Jesus who is the authority. Belief and knowing are opposite, Jesus cannot believe in God because he knows, once you know belief is impossible. Corporate works of mercy required, words not, judgement promised, escape from judgement not. Jesus is a physicist’s dream, space time, logos Divine Reason and Creative Order frames the Universe, space time, life and death. The protestant Jesus is limited by the science of the reformers, Tuesday follows Monday in Heaven, the dead are dead, Jesus says God is the God of the living, a non-material spacetime God, death is a factor of material, space and time, God is outside he is the creator not the prisoner. The Term I AM is free from spacetime.

          • Kkdgrace

            Protestantism is missing So MUCH! Bad enough at the time of the Reformation, but incredibly watered down and further distorted in this day and age. I had the TV on for my Mom earlier this morning and happened to hear a portion of some preacher talking about how one is saved. It was the same ol’ “sinner’s” prayer stuff. And my heart grieved at so many of those feeling “safe” in this deceptive depiction of salvation. THIS particular day made it especially hard to “stomach”. I am SO grateful that I was lead to actually research and study to find information about the teachings and practice of the ancient Church, along with so many of the writings of the Church Fathers and many available current books and websites, all containing such informative material.
            Of course, the information I obtained on this site, whether through the articles written or the oft heated debates in the comments section, was actually the “launching point” for the beginning of my search for answers and the finding of that road that led me away from the Protestant world that had been with me since birth . To me, it’s a miracle… a true miracle. There have been so many individuals here on this site who have lent me their assistance and support, providing information for further avenues for me to explore, as well as answering questions and providing guidance. I can never be thankful enough.
            You sound like a very enjoyable person to converse with- you have a lot of knowledge and a “unique” way of expressing yourself. You appear to be a very deep thinker as well. Thank you for responding to my comment- I enjoyed the exchange of information and the stimulation for my mind. God bless!

          • susan

            Happy Easter Tom!
            ” The problem is they interpret Paul who is lesser but ignore Jesus who is the authority. Belief and knowing are opposite, Jesus cannot believe in God because he knows, once you know belief is impossible.”

            So true Tom! Once you KNOW, belief is impossible. And it’s not necessary. No one has to tell you to “just believe”.

  • Tom_mcewen

    Yes, but he should have used a longer stick.

  • susan

    If true, this Faithful Bishop just fired the shot heard round the world. Someone finally stood up for Christ and His church. And told the truth unflinchingly.

    Your commentary on Protestanism really got me thinking. 😉

  • Eggs are a vestigial remain from a pagan tradition – how does a Christian then tolerate eating eggs be they sunny side up, scrambled, eggs Benedict (that would be honoring Pope Benedict) or even hard boiled? Eggs are the mundane pagan traditions of ‘fertility’ we cannot serve two masters and eat eggs. How can pure water be drawn from a poisoned well?

    So what say you to this?

    You would say “O fool, I am eating eggs. I am not honoring these eggs to idols”.

    So what if I honored these eggs and colored them to celebrate Christ?

    O no no no no no no

    You would take the stone, carve it and honor Washington with it, but to take that very stone, carve it and honor the image of Christ, you would prohibit it. You would watch a 2-d image movie about Christ, but a 3-d image of Christ is forbidden.

    Yet you do not mind having some teenagers at the church acting on the stage as if they were Christ.

    • Kkdgrace

      Not to mention just eggs, I also know what some say about Christmas trees. My sister once called me as I was decorating my tree and responded when I told her what I was doing, “oh, your idol”. We kind of had an argument after that. I was incensed that she accused me of making an idol out of a Christmas tree. She truly is in a false belief system, as a Jehovah’s Witness. As much as I try to speak to her, I have a hard time convincing her as to truth. Please add her to your prayers if you would. My heart hurts when I think about her soul and the souls of her family members.

      • racarrera

        Pay no mind to simpletons, sister. They have no idea what they’re blathering about. Just nod, and say, “Christ is Born/Risen,” depending on the day.

      • Стефан Евгений

        Candles coming your way:-) and “Christ is Risen!”

        • Kkdgrace

          He is risen indeed! May God bless you, brother! Always!

          • Стефан Евгений

            And you sister dear!

      • Jerryb53

        Your sister is right. By the Christmas tree and Santa Claus being celebrated on Christmas it has made Christmas a materialistic Holiday. If you can’t see that then look at all the Christmas ads about giving luxury cars as presents.

        Why do you think that public displays of Christmas Trees and Santa Claus and his reindeer’s are not targeted by the atheist’s but the Nativity Scene is. Because 1 is the true celebration of Christ’s Birthday and the other is a celebration of giving presents
        and materialistic greed. Take Christ out of Christmas and make it a secular holiday and Satan wins.

    • Marie Halligan

      Quite- what harm a few bits of chocolate shaped as eggs after 40 days of Lenten fasting? We worship a God who turned water into wine,so, whilst He does call on us to take up our crosses and follow Him,He is not a killjoy.One could say also,that as an egg is a symbol of new life, it is a fitting symbol for Jesus’s Ressurection which offers all of us a new life, a life in Heaven with God! No wonder Irish people have a standing joke that Protestants have no sense of fun!! Only joking but still…. where’s the joy???

      • Стефан Евгений

        They are all a bunch of “sad sacks”

        • Marie Halligan

          LOL,t’is true for you!Some people would have given out to Jesus for turning the water into wine,they are so dry and stuffy!

  • Including riots, if I recall.

    This brings up a very interesting observation. I have to yet come across reading news of Muslims in an uproar from this Orthodox Metropolitan, yet if this had been Pope Francis, the condemnation and reaction would have been swift.

    This should tell us something.

  • Стефан Евгений

    Peter, I happen to be a Russian Orthodox Christian, and in no way a Gnostic. I dont reject matter, I don’t worship matter, I worship he who took on matter for my salvation. The incarnation changes every thing.

    eggs are not part of the true message of Easter, the symbolic reference to ‘eggs’ is a vestigial remain from a pagan tradition.

    If a boiled egg for pasover is pagan in your mind, Go! tell it to the Jews! Where do you think we got the custom in the first place?

    Beitzah — A roasted hard-boiled egg, symbolizing the korban chagigah (festival sacrifice) that was offered in the Temple in Jerusalem and roasted and eaten as part of the meal on Seder night. Although both the Pesach sacrifice and the chagigah were meat offerings, the chagigah is commemorated by an egg, a symbol of mourning (as eggs are the first thing served to mourners after a funeral), evoking the idea of mourning over the destruction of the Temple and our inability to offer any kind of sacrifices in honor of the Pesach holiday. Since the destruction of the Temple, the beitzah serves as a visual reminder of the chagigah.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passover_Seder_plate

    The Tradition of the Paschal Egg

    There is a beautiful tradition within the life of the Church for believers to have as their last meal before beginning the Great Lenten Fast, to eat a hard boiled egg, white in color. This egg represents our sinful nature, and we eat this egg with the hope that the Lenten journey will bring us to repentance, and make us worthy to receive the Risen Lord Jesus Christ.

    The great and holy myrrh-bearer Mary Magdalene, equal of the apostles, during a dinner with the emperor Tiberius Caesar, was speaking about Christ’s resurrection. Caesar scoffed at her, saying that a man could rise from the dead no more than the egg in her hand could turn red. Immediately, the egg turned red. This is believed to be an explanation for dyeing eggs red at Pascha.

    At the end of Matins, during the Paschal service, the priest hands out a red egg, symbolizing the blood of Christ, to each worshiper. At the beginning of the Paschal feast, following the Midnight Liturgy, believers break the Lenten Fast by again eating an egg.

    As we hit our red eggs together, while saying, “Christ is Risen”, we are symbolically proclaiming the truth that Christ, by his death and holy resurrection, broke the bonds and power of death. The breaking of the eggs represents the opening of the tomb, and the crashing of the doors of hell, with Christ destroying the power of darkness and death, forever.

    With love in Christ,
    Abbot Tryphon
    http://1389blog.com/2013/05/04/the-tradition-of-the-paschal-egg/

    ‘the festival of Ost’ , an ancient ‘fertility cult’. how does Christianity tolerate such an intermingling of the divine message of salvation and the mundane pagan traditions of ‘fertility’ Wrong! you rather listen to German Neo-Pagans, to real Christiains.
    . The term “Easter” derives from the Germanic term “Ostern” and probably never referred to any pagan deity. I simply means East. The same word is used in German today fo East.

    “There is absolutely no evidence for a Germanic goddess with a name in any way resembling the word “Easter.” Rather than the term being derived from a goddess, the supposed goddess is derived from the term. She was postulated by certain 19th century Germanic scholars in an attempt to explain the etymology of the word. These same scholars (foremost among them the Grimm brothers, famous for their folktale collections and less well-known as the discoverers of the “Indo-European” linguistic family) had a very definite nationalist/ethnic agenda in which they were trying to rediscover the “real” roots of German culture. Thus the folktale collection’s avowed purpose was to search for “survivals” of pre-Christian Germanic religion and culture”

    “The later connection of this invented figure to Astarte was sheer fundamentalist propaganda based on a coincidental similarity in sound. Having dismissed Nativity/Christmas because it’s timing coincides with a number of pagan solar festivals, those fundamentalist groups which criticise all celebration of “holy days” thereby sought to discredit “Easter,” whose general timing is well laid out in the Bible. If there was a connection, it would be the only case of a Sumerian/Canaanite word coming into the Germanic languages without first passing through Hebrew and/or Greek into Latin and then into Germanic via the medium of Christianity”

    The History of the Term Easter
    by Caedmon Parsons.

    .http://westernorthodox.blogspot.com/2006/04/is-it-ok-to-say-easter.html

    • racarrera

      Brothers, the ignorant who come here to heckle read the works of fools who invented reasons to hate Apostolic Christianity. Pay them no mind and pray for their awakening, as what happened with good Hank this week.

      • Cuzick

        Ahh, a glimpse of Christendom, when Christian brothers have each others back in defending the faith.

        • racarrera

          The grown-ups here can have differences, as we know how to discuss these things, and come from a similar background. It’s the Taliban-like mentally challenged Fundies and Evangelicals who should receive short shrift, as they add nothing useful to the conversation except the slop they pick up from the usual suspects.

          • Cuzick

            ” It’s the Taliban-like mentally challenged Fundies and Evangelicals who should receive short shrift, as they add nothing useful to the conversation except the slop they pick up from the usual suspects. ”
            I agree. The good that comes out of these discussions is the depth of knowledge in scripture, tradition and history of the Church that is communicated by yourself and others. It’s by your comments and others of Apostolic Succession Churches that have provoked many to self examine why and what they believe. Many have never been exposed to the wealth of wisdom shared on this site. Don’t grow weary in well doing my brother, keep sharing , souls are in the balance.

      • Стефан Евгений

        I need to practus swinging my Valaska!

    • I would love to share a meal with you one day.

      • Стефан Евгений

        If you are ever down this way, give a holler! same here brother! Oh! before I forget, “Christ is Risen!”

        • What part would that be?

          CHRIST IS TRULY RISEN!

          • Стефан Евгений

            Below Austin Tx.

      • Kkdgrace

        Oh! Oh! Me too! With any and ALL of “the family”!

        • One day in the Kingdom we will.

  • Cuzick
  • Grace Ziem

    Bravo to this courageous man of faith!

  • Grace Ziem

    The 2 witnesses are prophesied to be in sackcloth in the city where Christ was crucified (Rev 11: 3,8)

    • Cuzick

      What does that mean?

      • Grace Ziem

        I was describing the Bible’s account of 2 witnesses who testify for 3 and 1/2 years and are able to do miracles and defend themselves. This does not exclude many others from witnessing in many places, but speaks of specific power, duration, and location of testimony for these 2.
        I think God wants serious witness to His covenant people, but I hesitate to add to the Biblical account. Peace.

        • Cuzick

          http://shoebat.com/2016/02/28/94146/

          Thanks for your reply. Let me know what your thoughts are, if you haven’t read this article yet.

          • Grace Ziem

            Thank you for sharing this. We grieve for this apostasy in Israel, though we know Satan has long been trying to destroy God’s covenant people, and he uses many tactics. We must use great discernment but also love during this time.

            Christ in Revelations prophesies there will be 144,000 Jews felt worthy to be witnesses for Christ during the final days, and we should pray they are able to turn many from evil to Christ.

            I know many fear being bold in witness: I think it is important to do so. In a lighter way of seeing this serious issue, please enjoy this on Youtube: On Taunting Jihadis Who Send Me Death Threats (David Wood).
            Give us courage, Father!

  • Grace Ziem

    The vast majority of slaughtered Christians are not engaged in critique of Islam and the vast majority who critique Islam aren’t attacked. Cowardice is a waste of opportunity to spread the gospel.

  • Tom_mcewen

    Maybe….

  • Kkdgrace

    Wow! What a brave and courageous Christian leader! If only more would call out those who are in a false belief system and “lay it on the line”, as this individual has done. Praise God for this!

  • Cuzick

    “If you want to save yourself and your family you should convert to Greek Orthodox Church, the only real faith,” Seraphim writes, reports Keep Talking Greece.

    “We propose and we advise you to come to the arms of the Greek Orthodox Church before the end of your life on earth.

    “Otherwise, you will unfortunately find yourself, your family and your people in the same place where Allah, Muhammad and his followers are, ie. in the place of suffering, eternal and unending hell.”

    What timing in offering repentance and salvation to Erdogan before he drags humanity into World War III by taking the next step of reviving the Ottoman Caliphate, which is set for tomorrow Easter Sunday.

  • Ej Denis

    I totally agree with you. So much “men traditions attached to Christians Feasts. Some parts of Europe celebrate Easter with the rabbit. You see chocolate in rabbit form everywhere in the market.

    Christ warn us to beware of man traditions. We are not better than the Pharisees Christ rebuked several times. Pathetic!

  • racarrera

    Nice non-sequitur. What does Putin have to do with this conversation except as being referenced as a potential godfather to a wretch who has hassled Christians, who comes from a culture who has been horrifying to Christians.

  • Стефан Евгений

    Thanks!

  • Grandmere

    We were told that there would be people who would ask “Where is the promise of His coming?” Thanks for reminding us.

    • Стефан Евгений

      He is a nasty little troll!

  • Now we know why Islam has been able to maintain their growth trajectory- by appealing to the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life. For these are not of the Father but is of the world.

  • Kevin Nicholson

    “If our hope in Christ is for this life alone, we are to be pitied more than all men. But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.…” 1 Corinthians 15:19-20

    May Erdogan see the Light….

  • Стефан Евгений

    po’shyol ‘na hui mu’ dak!

  • Стефан Евгений

    Spasibo, moy brat, Hristos voskrese!

  • Grandmere

    Do you always get belligerent when you’re drunk?

    • susan

      Does “dork” mean friend? I wish Peter would speak English I already know.

      • Grandmere

        Maybe he meant “Doc” and he was slurring his words a little.

      • Стефан Евгений

        Christ is Risen!


        Пасхальное приветствие на разных языках / Easter greetings in different languages

        • susan

          Thank you! :D. And Happy belated Easter to you and yours.

  • Grandmere

    Can’t you do better than that? We have a refined palate here when it comes to humor.

  • Grandmere

    So you are a Jew hater. Thanks for the heads up.

    • Стефан Евгений

      My Coonass side is riled up, not to mention my Hunky side.
      He did not like me speaking English, so i gave him a bit of Russian advice. he is just like his name implies. He’s just a little hui!

    • Стефан Евгений

      He’s got tha Possede,real bad!

  • susan

    That’s wonderful! Thank you for confirming that to me. 🙂

  • Grandmere

    You really are angry, but it’s not right to take it out on random strangers.

  • Grandmere

    I grew up in the south in the US in the 50’s. I was blessed to have parents who were not racist and taught me well. I am sorry that happened to you. Can you get to a place where you can forgive and let your hurt and anger go? The only person it is hurting now is you.

  • Grandmere

    We like Pope Benedict around here.

  • Стефан Евгений

    I thought you did not like me speaking English. Ever hear of Russian immigrants? I made the mistake of thinking you were intelligent, and could use a mouse!

  • infowolf1

    that is NOT about a Christmas tree which didn’t even exist then, that is the process of making an idol. An image of a human shaped or animal shaped or mixed shaped false god.

  • infowolf1

    Romans chapter 11 Paul says they are beloved for the fathers’ skaes, enemies for the Gospel’s sake and we are not to boast against them for we are wild olive branches grafted in among them the domestic branch, they are the root that bears us.

  • infowolf1

    sorry but you got it backwards. it was once Orthodox Rome broke with the rest of the once undivided church, and in rebellion against one of their own popes added the filioque to the Creed and many other deviations. you are the schismatics. that is plain history.

  • jami

    Amen. Praise be to our Lord Jesus Christ

  • So salvation is by faith alone? To strictly ‘believe’ and do nothing? Thats it?

  • Grandmere

    When St. Thomas went east to start churches, he didn’t have a Bible. He had the clothes on his back. He preached the gospel, without opening up a book and turning to the book of Matthew. Once in awhile he would get a copy of a letter from Paul to Timothy or a rendering of the gospel by Matthew, Mark. Luke or John. He was teaching the gospel in the oral tradition. The doctrine he taught was “biblical truth”. He was there when Christ was crucified, died, was buried, rose and ascended. And salvation is by GRACE. Even faith is not of ourselves. It is a gift.

  • jami

    Amen Amen

  • “Catholicism has so many pagan rituals I wouldn’t even know where to begin.”

    Begin. We heard it all and debunked it all.

    “Catholicism has direct ties to ancient Egyptian pagan practices!”

    Really? How so?

    “One great example of this is the Egyptian obelisk in front of saint peters basilica, Vatican City with the cross sitting on top of it.”

    Why don’t you do a little more research then come back before I blow your canoe out of the waters.

    “If you don’t know what the obelisk stands for, the meaning behind it, I recommend you research it.”

    We know what it stands for.

    “When will people learn to follow Jesus Christ”

    That instruction should be for you.

    ” and his written word in the holy bible and stop listening to mans twisted, pagan views? That is what’s known as doctrine of demons! Get in the word people! The holy bible, if you claim to be a Christian!”

    We study the Word more than you ever have. What part of scripture do you want us to dialogue over?

  • “you are on the ball.”

    I finally discovered after all these years why I get bounced around all the time 🙂

  • susan

    Hi Patrick! As i was reading your comments, i came across this…

    “There are no seasons where people are supposed to be more righteous than others by creating seasons for celebrations.”

    And I was wondering what you meant by that… Do you not celebrate the seasons with jubilation? :). God looked at His creation and declared it good. When we read the bible we see many times where God commanded certain times and seasons for His glory. I think it’s dangerous to fall into the trap I see where many are removing all traces of God, whether in celebrations or in the blessed objects they have in their homes which remind us of Him and all He has done for us.

    • Patrick

      What I mean is that we make those celebrations look so gorgeous that we end up forgetting their purposes and end up in indulgencies which border on idolatry and sin. For example, I see many people saying they are celebrating Xmass but involved in all kinds of drunkardness and sexual immorality that you are left wondering. We see it year in, year out.

  • Grandmere

    Salvation is by GRACE through faith. And we will still celebrate Easter until we celebrate the Ascension. So, Happy Easter! And fyi every Sunday is a celebration of the resurrection.