The Mass Crucifixions Of Christians: The Holy Bible Reveals The Most Fascinating Hidden Prophecy Predicting Muslims Becoming Evolutionists Will Genocide Christians Worldwide

By Walid Shoebat (Shoebat Sunday Special)

They stood at the foot of the cross mocking Christ saying: “We came into being by chance” (Wisdom 2:2).

For thousands of years the Bible predicted the rise of eugenics, but how could Bible scholars miss this?

They missed it because it did not make sense, that during the time of Christ there would be eugenists roaming roundabout at the foot of the cross.

In other words, this prophecy catapults from the foot of the cross when Christ was crucified to another event when countless foots of other crosses—way into the future, in our time—revealing the type of insults being hailed at us. Why many miss the full context is because the phrases make no sense in a first century setting and this is why they only focus on the part where the pharisaic crowds mock Jesus saying:

“He boasts that he hath the knowledge of God, and calls Himself the son of God” (Wisdom 2:13).

In the Book of Wisdom, when we read Wisdom 2, we puzzle at the verses since to us they describe religious leaders, the pharisaic scholars and the Jewish crowd mocking at the foot of the Cross hailing some bizarre insults that hardly match a first century setting in Jerusalem. Why would religious pharisees ever say: “We came into being by chance”?

Only atheists and evolutionists believe that “we came into being by chance”. So was the text describing pharisees in the first century or evolutionists in the 21st century?

And what are all these phrases where the mockers say: “breath in our nostrils is smoke” and “spark moving our heart” and that spirits are “driven away by the beams of the sun”?

These are no Pharisees mocking Christ, these are the crowds of Antichrist mocking during the great genocide of Christians.

This prophecy packs some amazing predictions never carefully examined by scholars before. “We came into being by chance” defines atheistic and theistic evolutionists, not creationist Pharisees during Jesus’ First Coming.

But what about the other things they say? Why do these phrases sound like eugenists yelling some diabolical reasons for mass murder saying “for which is feeble [weak], is found to be nothing worth”? Is this not the language of the genocidal eugenists?

And aren’t these accusations in bold above also directed specifically at the Christian for he too calls himself “the son of God”?

The eugenist excuses for his genocidal belief has always been this idea that we should select ‘strength over weakness’ and the text in Wisdom 2 explicitly states it:

But let our strength be our norm of righteousness; for weakness proves itself useless.

Is not their motto ‘the survival of the fittest’ and ‘natural selection’?

And what do we always hear from the evolutionists and the eugenists? They always say regarding the Christian:

“he is annoying to us; he opposes our actions, Reproaches us for transgressions of the law and charges us with violations of our training.”

“Violations of our training”? “Transgressions of the law”? What “training”? What “law”?

The Christian always insists that the eugenists methodology violates both; civil law as well as the laws of science. The Christian complains that the eugenist so-called science is nothing more than pseudoscience.

In other words, the persecutor of the Christian, the eugenist, quotes the Christian as saying that “[he, the Christian] charges us with violations of our training” and “transgressions of the law,” so that what the eugenist teaches goes contrary to their vocation as scientists and moralists.

Who else besides the Christian insist that scientists must adhere to science rather than fiction? Do they not always advance by proclaiming their works as ‘scientific‘ when in our view it is all pseudoscientific? 

And who had stopped them during the dark parts of their history? Was it not the Christians who are the main “obstacle in their way”?

Amazing how this prophecy weaves in the Church as active in Christ’s Passion and also includes how Christ and His seed are viewed by the eugenist:

“to us he [Christ as well as the Christian] is the censure of our thoughts; merely to see him is a hardship for us, Because his life is not like that of others, and different are his ways. He judges us debased; he holds aloof from our paths as from things impure. He calls blest the destiny of the righteous and boasts that God is his Father.”

And it is not as if all this ‘final solution’ was not somewhat fulfilled. The Young Turks who in the name of Eugenics massacred the Christian Armenians, Assyrians and Greeks with supervision from the Germans who later on massacred Polish Christians and Jews. The Armenians said ‘God is our Father’ just as Christ Who also said that God is His Father.

So how can anyone explain all this?

Luther’s followers who reject Wisdom as ‘non-canonical’ argue that the author obtained his information from Isaiah. But this presents a major dilemma: nowhere do we find in Isaiah anything like this, where it describes such belief system which exactly matches what we see today. No one can argue that such a prediction was by mere chance. No one can argue or say that the mockers belief system can be found as far back as the ancient Greeks. They would probably claim that an ancient Israelite was simply jotting down what the pagans believed in. But Antiochus did not massacre the Jews because they declared “the Son of God” or because Jews rejected Antiochus’ belief in atheism and the evolutionary process. And neither did the Jews kill Christ for any of the other reasons expressed in Wisdom 2, besides Him declaring that He is the “Son of God”. Even the Romans did not massacre Jews for any of these reasons and in fact they wanted to give Jesus a pass.

But even worse, once we put the rest of the puzzle together, examining the other statements as we shall see from what these mockers say; it becomes utterly impossible to refute, Wisdom 2 is probably the most amazing prophecy for our time.

Wisdom 2 is Absolutely phenomenal. And that is only after studying one chapter. Here, enter an amazing research:

SO WHY DID CHRISTIANS AND BIBLE SCHOLARS MISS THIS?
Many are the hidden prophecies that are missed. Prophecies are usually unpacked by a few and only become popular after the fact and never before. Also, many do not read scripture to understand what is on God’s mind. Most read scripture to see how it applies to them personally. Perhaps the most crucial issue is this: interpreting prophecy’s dual purpose is impossible unless one comprehends that scripture does not usually speak to us on an individual level but in a corporate level.

Indeed, this ‘corporate level’ is crucial to understand. Prophecy that refers to Christ’s suffering also refers to the corporate body of God’s people so that whatever Christ suffers, God’s people also suffer. Isaiah provides the perfect verse from Christ’s Passion which proves this point:

“in all their affliction [God’s people’s afflictions] He [God] was afflicted” (Isaiah 63:9).

Many miss this very crucial verse. Many read the “suffering servant” in Isaiah 53 but miss reading all the way to Isaiah 63. Many read Ezekiel 38 but fails to connect Ezekiel 28 all the way to Ezekiel 40. The Jews missed their Messiah because they only chose the corporate level in Isaiah 53 claiming that the prophecy about the ‘suffering servant’ is about the Jewish people.

The corporate level includes both, the Messiah and His people, intertwined together.

Such verses like Isaiah 63:9 are usually the adhesive that knits and weaves tying everything together.

Isaiah 63:9 is not strictly concerning Christ’s suffering for the sins of mankind, but is also regarding His suffering honoring the righteous works of the saints. They too suffer the results of slander and torture from the world during their lifetime. Christ humbled Himself as the “suffering servant” and so that He also suffered just “as they suffered”.

By understanding this, we will discover that Wisdom 2 (as well as all scripture which is prophetic) packs some serious messages most biblical scholars overlook.

So while the background setting of Wisdom 2 is definitely Christ’s Crucifixion just as we find in Psalm 22, yet both catapult way forward to the final solution of God’s people “let us condemn him to a shameful death” when they suffer mass liquidation.

Ever wonder why when we read Psalms 22 we find verses like this:

Many bulls have surrounded me [Christ as in His Church]; Strong bulls of Bashan have encircled me (Psalm 22:12)

Ever wonder why in this Psalm, the story of Jesus’ Crucifixion pin-points “the bulls of Bashan” as the main persecutors?

This “Bashan” in ancient Syria are also the invading armies of Ezekiel 38-39 (see Ezekiel 39:18) who are Turks. These are not Jewish Pharisees. Therefore, Psalm 22, just like Wisdom 2 has a twofold fulfillment; one in the first century and another in the 21st century or beyond.

 Who else besides the Christian “professes to have knowledge of God and styles himself a child of the LORD“?

So who is doing the mocking here condemning Christians for believing they are the sons of God? But it is because that in Islam saying you are “the son of God” constitutes blasphemy.

It is the Muslim who rejects us for saying we are “the sons of God”.

But you might counter that Turkic Muslims, like Jews, are also creationists and not evolutionists. So how could Turks and Syrians be saying things like “We came into being by chance”?

But this is what is so amazing about Wisdom 2. What most do not consider is that Wisdom 2, when tied to Isaiah 53-63 and Psalm 22, what becomes crystal clear is that this prophecy predicted the perfect timing that when Muslims will convert to theistic evolution is when all this is fulfilled. 

Thats right. In fact, “Most Muslims around the world believe ‘humans and other living things have evolved over time'”.

Today the Muslims already mock the biblical account of creation. Wisdom 2 even pin-points with impeccable accuracy how Muslims will define creation, life, the spirit, where it comes and where it goes:

“For by mere chance were we born, and hereafter we shall be as though we had not been; Because the breath in our nostrils is smoke, and reason a spark from the beating of our hearts…our life shall pass away as the trace of a cloud, and shall be dispersed as a mist, which [the soul] is driven away by the beams of the sun” (Wisdom 2)

Only someone who understands Islam can unravel this. Just this alone rouses up much of what we learned during our life as Muslims. Pay close attention to the “smoke” “spark” “the breath” “heart” and “the sun”. Wisdom predicted how this enemy views creation; “The breath” is life and the Muslim scorns the Christian claiming that “life’s” origin initially stems from “smoke” and that “reason” which emanates from life, is but “a spark from the beating of our hearts” which dies and goes back to “the sun”.

This is also spreading in the West in movements that prohibit eating meat as predicted in 1 Timothy 4:3

This is not the language of Pharisees.

THE SMOKE
It is Islam (not Christianity) which teaches that everything in the cosmos started from “smoke”:

“. . .[Allah] turned to the sky, and it had been (as) smoke. He said to it and to the earth: ‘Come together, willingly or unwillingly.’ They said: ‘We come (together) in willing obedience’ Quran 41:11.”

Muslims today by large are moving towards the Big Bang:

“when describing the creation of the “heavens and the earth,” the Quran does not discount the theory of a ‘Big Bang’ explosion at the start of it all. In fact, the Quran says that: “. . . the heavens and the earth were joined together as one unit, before We clove them asunder” (Quran 21:30).

And so from “smoke” Muslims believe is the origin of the earth which man was made via the evolutionary process and not the biblical account of creation. This is crucial.

But Wisdom 2 was ahead of their game. It predicted the rise of theistic evolutionists who say “the breath in our nostrils is smoke”.

Again, Islam teaches that the cosmos was “(as) smoke. He [Allah] said to it and to the earth: ‘Come together” (Q41:11) to the very dirt from which Allah created man, but not in God’s image.

And so from the Quran’s narrative, Muslims, to prove the Quran is miraculous in matters of science, they extracted and stretched the meaning of their Quran to sound scientific and in order to be up to date they hopped on the evolution bandwagon. This is why they avoid the Christian’s account on creation since Christians are taunted by scoffers as passé and is why Wisdom 2 says:

“Let us therefore lie in wait for the just, because he is not for our turn [he is passé]”

Now understanding what Wisdom 2 is all about becomes easy. “He is not for our turn [he is passé]” would mean that the scoffers arguments came way later and now they claim it is their “turn” to give an explanation about the origin of life, but that to promote their belief, they first must “lie in wait for the just” to execute him and kill his belief. 

This type of mocking was not the same type of mocking at the foot of the cross by pharisees. The religious Jews at the time of Christ definitely did not believe in this for in these times it was their “turn” to explain life’s origin.

So in Wisdom 2, the Muslim and the evolutionist rebuts the Christian by claiming that ‘smoke’ must be the gasses which later cooled down, and then the earth was split asunder from it. And from there the earth through a gradual evolutionary process man was made which is revealed from the following Quranic verses:

And He [Allah] has created you in different stages and different forms … And Allah has caused you to develop as a good growth from the earth.— Qur’an 71:14,17

Muslims today even stretch the original meaning of their Quran. These Quranic verses were speaking of the ancient Greek understanding that  menstrual blood coagulated then formed an embryo.  So they claim that the Quran is describing the various stages of human embryonic and fetal development to even claim it is about “guided evolution” as being part of the progressive design of God. As such they do not deny natural selection, but that Allah began it all from ‘smoke’ (gas) where later on, life on Earth started from one single point of species (bacteria) with a mixture of water and a viscous slimy clay-like substance which according to them Allah ordained the process and kicked off life as we know it.

THE DIVINE SPARK 
Now that we connect the dots we will grasp the rest of the prophecy which makes it impossible to argue this prophecy was written by mere accident from someone who just borrowed verses here and there from other parts of scripture. Wisdom 2 exposes the enemy’s belief system “Because the breath in our nostrils is smoke, and reason a spark from the beating of our hearts … our life shall pass away as the trace of a cloud, and shall be dispersed as a mist, which [the soul] is driven away by the beams of the sun” (Wisdom 2)

First of all, does this seem like the language of Judaic Pharisees? The “smoke” the “spark” the “breath” the “heart” and “the sun” sums up the whole Muslim Sufi mystic theology which is also evolving into much of today’s other modern beliefs that are spreading globally like wildfire.

The “divine spark” is the idea that each human being contains within himself a portion of God’s “divine spark” which attempts to explain the purpose of life is to enable the Divine Spark to be released from its captivity in matter and reestablish its connection with or simply return to God (“the Sun”) who is perceived as being the source of the Divine Light.

This theology is most common to Gnosticism but also present in most Western Mystical Traditions, Jewish Kabbalah and Sufism.

In the Gnostic Christian tradition (e.g. the Valentinian Church and the Cathars who are viewed by Protestants as “the Martyrs of Jesus Christ”) and the modern Lectorium Rosicrucianum where Christ is seen as an Avatar of the Light which has taken human form in order to lead humanity back to the Light. The Cathars in particular saw this idea by corrupting the meaning in the Gospel of St John. Such ideas love to finagle scripture and the Church fathers by claiming Augustine, Jerome, Bonaventura and Bernard of Clairvaux taught their twisted theology.

This “spark from the beating of our heart” mentioned by Wisdom 2 describes the essence of Sufism founded by Jalāl ad-Dīn Rumi.

Rumi uses satan’s first deception with Eve. He lures women as creators of life and incites sexual pleasures by combining it with spirituality. He explains the plight of the lost souls through reasoning which stems from the divine spark in the heart just as Wisdom 2 explained “reason a spark from the beating of our hearts” and searching for God and Self, seeking in the outer world for what really lies within as Wisdom 2 exposed “from the beating of our hearts” which stems from “the sun” and is later is consumed by the sun “driven away by the beams of the sun” just as Wisdom 2 exposed.

Excerpt from The Triumphal Sun: A Study of the Works of Jalaloddin Rumi

Rings a bell? Wisdom 2 exposed the scoffers saying: “our life shall pass away as the trace of a cloud, and shall be dispersed as a mist, which [the soul] is driven away by the beams of the sun”

Shams-i-Tabrīzī (1185–1248), the master and mentor of Jalāl ad-Dīn Rumi, the most influential Muslim Sufi theologian and sage in all of Islam’s history, taught that the sun is where the spirit come from and evaporates to. Rumi’s influence transcends national borders and ethnic divisions: Sunni Turks, Shiite Syrians, Shiites Iranians, Sufi Egyptians, Sufi Tajiks, Sufi Pashtuns and other Central Asian Muslims including the Muslims of South Asia. Even Japan’s government is pushing to re-institute the worship of the sun goddess Amaterasu as their state religion.

This is why Psalm 22 pinpoints “Bashan” while Christ in Revelation 2 pinpoints “Pergamum” in Asia Minor as the “seat of satan” (Antichrist) and Ezekiel pin-points Gog as “chief prince” of Mushki “Meshech” and Tabalani “Tubal” which are in the heart of Asia Minor.

Therefore, to split Wisdom 2 from Psalm 22 and the rest of the prophetic scriptures misses a major clue not just as to who the enemy is, but the origin and nature of his belief system. It helps us understand who else is incorporated into this sphere of evil which we will examine later on.

There are literally libraries of examples confirming what Sufi Islam teaches which matches the basis of what Wisdom 2 revealed. For example, the founder of the Sufi Order in the West (U.S, Europe), teacher of Universal Sufism, Inayat Khan (1882 – 1927) reflects on this major Sufi teaching that the soul (just as Wisdom 2 exposed) is like a ray of the sun. Even the angels, who do not have physical bodies, in Sufi Islam are made of nūr (light), that comes from the divine Sun which is the Spirit of Allah. Sufism teaches that all souls are made of light, or contain some part of that essence “a spark” or the “divine spark”, which is the essence of the whole manifestation. (see Khan, Hazrat Inayat, 2013-07-02 The Heart of Sufism: Essential Writings of Hazrat Inayat Khan. P. 80)

Wisdom 2 describes with pin-point accuracy that the haters of Christians falsely believe that from gaseous smoke of an explosion, like the sun, we come, and that the soul returns to the sun. This is definitely Sufism extracted and refined from Hindu sources with its Western extensions from Theosophy to Jewish Kabbalah.

Rumi explains what parallels Wisdom 2’s definition:

The divine spark then ensouls the body through the breath [just as Wisdom 2 exposed], spreading life and vitality from the heart and lungs.  Human consciousness is due to such a metaphysical process, which brings the light of consciousness and the life principle into the heart.  The divine spark exists always at the centre of our being [the heart] at zero point levels, and through the breath and blood, consciousness and life are infused into a living, breathing human being. Remembrance is recalling and living in this inner experience, which had strangely been forgotten, as the light has been so veiled. (Robert Frager/Sheikh Ragip, psychologist and Sufi Master in conversation with Jonathan Cott, On the Sea of Memory: A Journey from Forgetting to Remembering  (Random House, N. Y., 2005)

The Sufi Muslim Sheikh Ragip, provides lucid descriptions of essential Sufi practices and teachings:

“The secret of secrets is the divine spark within each of us … It is to get in touch with that divine spark that God has placed within each human being. In the Koran it says that God breathed from the divine soul into Adam; another way of translating that would be that God placed a divine spark into  every human being.  And that divine spark is the secret of secrets. My master put it this way: That spark in us could set the whole universe on fire. Its greater than the universe itself because its a spark of what is infinite. And its within every one of us. Who we are is far more than who we think we are. “To practice rememberence,” you’ve said, “is to unveil the knowledge and power and beauty of this spark of God within us.

Even Madam Blavatsky who described life’s origin as:

“material points without extension’ as the basis upon which the God’s and other invisible powers [in reality demons] clothe themselves in bodies. The divine spark then ensouls the body through the breath, spreading life and vitality from the heart and lungs.  Human consciousness is due to such a metaphysical process, which brings the light of consciousness and the life principle into the heart.  The divine spark exists always at the centre of our being at zero point levels, and through the breath and blood, consciousness and life are infused into a living, breathing human being. Remembrance is recalling and living in this inner experience, which had strangely been forgotten, as the light has been so veiled.”

Sufism focuses on connecting spirituality with sensuality.

No wonder why Wisdom 2 revealed the scoffers focus on pleasure:

Come therefore, and let us enjoy the good things that are present, and let us speedily use the creatures as in youth. Let us fill ourselves with costly wine, and ointments: and let not the flower of the time pass by us. Let us crown ourselves with roses, before they be withered: let no meadow escape our riot. Let none of us go without his part in luxury: let us everywhere leave tokens of joy: for this is our portion, and this our lot. (Wisdom 2:7-9)

Such ideas are no divine spark  from the heart, but from below, from the bowl movements excreted by a wizard named Jalāl ad-Dīn Rumi, a Muslim who believed as Muhammad believed; that camel urine was medicine, yet the starving lost seek to feed on anything even scraping meager seeds from dung.

THE WAR BETWEEN TWO WISDOMS
So the Book of Wisdom describes two camps, both stating to have wisdom but one is a faulty claim saying ‘I am God’ and the other, the true wisdom of God that says we are “the sons of God” with the true “knowledge of God”. This “I am God” is precisely from the devil described in Isaiah 14 when Lucifer dwells into the man of sin, the Antichrist:

“They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms” (Isaiah 14:16).

And with Wisdom 2, we can tie everything. The persecution stems from the enemies of the Cross. Rumi sums up his theology as an enemy of the Cross:

Cross and Christians, end to end, I examined.  He [God] was not on the Cross [its all about condemning the Crucifixion].  I went to the Hindu temple, to the ancient pagoda.  In none of them was there any sign. To the uplands of Herat I went, and to Kandahar, I looked.  He was not on the heights or in the lowlands. … I went to the Kaaba of Mecca.  He was not there …  I asked about him from Avicenna ….  (finally) I looked into my own heart.  In that, his place [the heart], I saw him.  He was in no other place.   (Rumi. In Shah, 1968, p. 105)

This is truly the battle between the sons of God “he boasts that he hath the knowledge of God, and calls Himself the son of God” (Wisdom 2:13) and the sons of Lucifer:

And they knew not the secrets of God, nor hoped for the wages of justice, nor esteemed the honour of holy souls [saints]. For God created man incorruptible, and to the image of his own likeness he made him. But by the envy of the devil, death came into the world: And they follow him that are of his side. (Wisdom 2:22-25)

The faulty wisdom is of the devil “And they follow him that are of his side” for they did not “esteemed the honour of holy souls [saints]”.

Therefore, there is no “divine spark” from within, the divine love comes from without, for Christ clearly instructed:

“He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him” (John 6:53–56).

This is true Wisdom.

All who reject this, or treat this as metaphor, as without substance, while claiming to harbor the Holy Sprit are therefore ousted from the Kingdom of God for they too do not honor the saints as “living” but say they are ‘dead’ for they did not “esteemed the honour of holy souls [saints]” and rejected how we approach the heavenly mount Zion:

“But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.” (Hebrews 12:22-24)

This is the whole goal and process of salvation, that is, to transform us striving to become “the righteous” who are “made perfect”. This is the communion between the Church Militant on earth and the Church Triumphant in heavenly Mount Zion, where the living saints, angels and The Trinity reside.

This is the strive of the Christian.

Christ clearly stated that He will only abide in the one who partakes of His Body while the instruction on how to “come to Mount Zion” is clearly explained and is done in a corporate level. One cannot have the Holy Spirit or claim to have a “divine spark” while ignoring such essentials and is why the Bible exposes all who claim to have the Holy Spirit yet reject the consumption of the Eucharist for they also reject that the departed saints who are alive as living. This is why they are considered outside the temple of God and is why they are given to the gentiles (pagans) to unite with them (Revelation 11:1-2).

In Revelation 11, John was told to “measure [to test through persecution] the temple of God [the Church], and the altar and them that adore therein”. These are the ones who will be tested and tortured while the others (outside the Altar) will unite with the Antichrist. It was the apostolic-succession Christian who suffered genocides (Armenians, Assyrians, Greeks, Polish) including the physical sons of Abraham (the Jews).

Without an altar of sacrifice you are outside the temple. We shall explain later, it was from this specific camp, who refused to believe in the perpetual sacrifice of Christ that evolution sparked in the first place. These were the ones who reject the Book of Wisdom as from God.

Rumi explains Sufi Islam’s theology as if God resides in the hearts of men as a “divine spark” but Wisdom 2 exposes this as the faulty wisdom of the devil.

So Wisdom says that there are only two sides. Therefore, we all must choose wisely.

This is the bottom line.

Wisdom advises not to attempt to unlock “the secrets of God”. Creation, the Resurrection, the Eucharist, the corporate relationship to saints (holy souls) … these are all “mystery” which no man can fathom and is how you will always find their folly for they focus on solving the mystery while they completely ignore that true faith is “the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen” (Hebrews 11:1).

The spiritual battle is ultimately about the Wisdom of man versus the Wisdom of God. After all, even the term Sufism itself, according to the Theosophical Glossary means ‘wisdom’:

“Suffism (Gr.). From the root of Sophia, “Wisdom ”. A mystical sect in Persia something like the Vedantins; though very strong in numbers, none but very intelligent men join it. They claim, and very justly, the possession of the esoteric philosophy and doctrine of true Mohammedanism [Islam]. The Suffi (or Sofi) doctrine is a good deal in touch with Theosophy, inasmuch as it preaches one universal creed, and outward respect and tolerance for every popular exoteric faith. It is also in touch with Masonry. The Suffis have four degrees and four stages of initiation:1st, probationary, with a strict outward observance of Mussulman rites [Islam], the hidden meaning of each ceremony and dogma being explained to the candidate; 2nd, metaphysical training; 3rd, the “Wisdom” degree, when the candidate is initiated into the innermost nature of things; and 4th final Truth, when the Adept attains divine powers, and complete union with the One Universal Deity in ecstacy or Samâdhi.” (Theosophical Glossary, p. 311)

This Universal Deity (Samâdhi) stems from Buddhism. If one examines the Jewish creed, the Shema,  it is “Hear O Israel the Lord our God our Lord is One” but in Islam it is:

“say Allah is one Allah is Samâd. He did not beget nor was he begotten [as a Son of God” (Quran 112:1-4).

Such common use and common belief in Samâdhi and the “divine spark” is bringing these religions (Buddhism, Sufi Islam and the anti-apostolic succession fallen Christians including evolutionist fallen Catholics and Orthodox) together to unite Japanese, Muslims, Hindus and all theistic evolutionists together which sums up the milieu of what constitutes Antichrist. Remember, not all who say “Lord Lord”? These in Matthew 25 collaborate with tormenting the remnant true church which Matthew 25 clearly reveals it is about our tribulation and the tribulation of Israel to be redeemed.

And so the spiritual battle will continue beginning with the mocking of the biblical creation account and it will end with the slaughter of Christians. The turning point starts as we examine Daniel; Antichrist proclaims himself as the wisdom of God so that he as the unholy wisdom, claiming to be God, sits in the Temple of God at Hagia Sophia which literally means “Holy Wisdom”.

This has another meaning as well, that the fallen church will exchange the Holy Wisdom with the unholy wisdom. Such unholy wisdom then sits in the temples of people, that is their bodies, rejecting the Holy Spirit in exchange for the unholy spirit (Lucifer).

God foreknew that modern Muslims and fallen Christians will end up accepting in principle the process of theistic evolution. This is quite amazing. This is part of this great falling away (2 Thessalonians 2). Wisdom 2 pinpoints the eugenists arguments who would call for the mass genocide in the ends of days:

Let us oppress the poor just man, and not spare the widow, nor honour the ancient grey hairs of the aged. But let our strength be the law of justice: for that which is feeble, is found to be nothing worth. Let us therefore lie in wait for the just, because he is not for our turn [he is passé], and he is contrary to our doings, and upbraideth us with transgressions of the law, and divulgeth against us the sins of our way of life. He boasteth that he hath the knowledge of God, and calleth himself the son of God. He is become a censurer of our thoughts. He is grievous unto us, even to behold: for his life is not like other men’s, and his ways are very different. (Wisdom 2:11-15)

“He is not for our turn [he is passé]” would mean that their arguments came way later and now it is their “turn” to give an explanation about the origin of life. This type of mocking was not the same type of mocking at the foot of the cross by pharisees. The religious Jews at the time of Christ definitely did not believe in this for in these times it was their “turn”.

Therefore, this prophecy catapults way into the future, reflecting the type of language said by Herbert Spencer, the Evolutionist, who coined the slogan “survival of the fittest” which sums up these verses when he declared that the ‘widow’ and the ‘poor’ and ‘weak’ should be left to die without the aid of Christian charity:

It seems hard that a labourer incapacitated by sickness from competing with his stronger fellows, should have to bear the resulting privations. It seems hard that widows and orphans should be left to struggle for life or death. Nevertheless, when regarded not separately, but in connection with the interests of universal humanity, these harsh fatalities are seen to be full of the highest beneficence—the same beneficence which brings to early graves the children of diseased parents, and singles out the low-spirited, the intemperate, and the debilitated as the victims of an epidemic. (Hebert Spencer’s Theory of Social Justice, P. 389)

Therefore, the whole purpose of Eugenics is not to explain the origins of species as they claim, but to predominately cut off Christian charity “not spare the widow” and to promote euthanasia “nor honour the ancient grey hairs of the aged”. This means that Euthanasia will become rampant as we approach the end.

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But continuing in the prophecy one should ask: isn’t this the ultimate goal of the eugenist:

Therefore, cursed whoever says this is ‘apocrypha’. Can anyone deny the parallel; the mocking of Christ at the foot of the cross mimics the eugenists mocking during the final genocide of Christians!?

Amazingly, Wisdom ties the Christian with Christ in a corporate way and in a beautiful and perfect reflection to Christ’s suffering when He was mocked at the foot of the Cross “With violence and torture let us put him to the test” “Let us condemn him to a shameful death”. While this specific mocking has parallels with the mocking of Christ, Wisdom 2 reveals a different caveat but with similar consequences. This is the greater genocide in the days to come.

And as to why we attribute Wisdom 2 to the ends of days is simple: the context is the Crucifixion and the Tribulation during Christ’s passion, His death and His resurrection on the third day is itself the greatest prophecy for it pertains to our ‘crucifixion’, but what comes right after our death during the tribulation is our resurrection shortly after three years. Even the beginning and even the ending of Christ’s ministry is prophecy for it too parallels in many ways the church’s ministry, its persecution, the death of the saints and then the resurrection and our eternal existence with Christ.

It reflects how it was just prior to the fall of the Ottomans, when it received its mortal wound when the Young Turks (and then later) the Nazis committed genocide against the Christians first (which receives no recognition by the world) and then the Jews and the Poles later on during Nazism. The world does not esteem the Christians for it found no comeliness in him, he will be despised and rejected just as the Jew and the Polish and Serbian Christians (two million Catholics and a million Orthodox which the world does not talk of them). These too died in prison, hungry, naked, shot and thrown into pits because of eugenics just as Christ was also naked, hungry and in prison for He suffered as they suffered “in All their afflictions, He [Christ] was afflicted” (Isaiah 63:9). Is it no wonder why Christ says “I was hungry … in prison … naked …” in Matthew 25? Every word in scripture has a purpose.

And later on Wisdom 2 reveals the nature of the Antichrist and how the Church’s enemies adhere to such thought. And its not only in Wisdom 2 which reflects this story. The story of Wisdom 2 is also the story of Psalm 22 where God calls the warriors “the fatlings of Bashan”. This is exactly what the nations of Gog and Magog from Asia Minor are called. Both prophecies (Wisdom 2, Psalm 22) are about the Crucifixion of Christ and both parallel when the Muslim and other armies surround God’s people: “Many bulls have surrounded Me; Strong bulls of Bashan have encircled Me” (Psalm 22:12). Therefore, all this gives us a glimpse to the type of belief system the Ottomans will adhere to which is exactly as it was for the Young Turks committing the great genocide of the Armenians.

Bashan points to either Syria or Bashan in the Caucasus in the southern regions of Russia, or even both, but never Russia proper. These are Syria, Turkey and the C.I.S. region (see Isaiah 17, Ezekiel 38) Shiites and Sufis who adhere and follow Rumi’s theology. In Isaiah 17 we find the destruction of Damascus not Moscow. And since the setting of Psalm 22 is the Crucifixion just as it is in Wisdom 2, we must then conclude the obvious: these are the return of a renewed form of Nazism uniting both with theistic evolutionists (Muslim) and atheistic eugenist evolutionists.

We already see the world getting absorbed into all this.

Modern Islam believes in theistic realism. The stance of modernist Islamic scholars adopt a scientific cosmological approach to explaining the formation of the universe initiated from the Big Bang. Therefore, the prophecy reveals the unity and the syncretism within the Antichrist belief system and this is how he is able to unite devils against saints.

Who has ever imagined that over two millennia later, that Muslims would teach theistic evolution claiming that it all came from “smoke” “divine spark” “the heart” “the sun” just as Wisdom 2 predicted they would say?

Muslims argue all this mockery as their miracle from Allah since the Quran is more compatible with science than Christianity’s version of creation. They claim that since these Quranic verses were written over 1400 years ago – long before mankind had reached any level of scientific insight to later on discover evolution. Thus, according to them, modern science has recently uncovered proofs about the universe which contend with these verses. So this, according to them, is an indication that the verses were revealed from the God that created the universe.

So in essence, we have the story of Pharaoh’s magicians combating Moses which also has prophetic revelations pointing towards the future when these attempt to explain the mysteries of God. The Muslim scholars in pride conclude they have the answer that the creation of the human race was the culmination of a gradual evolutionary process kicked off by Allah and so today they mock the Christian as they mocked the Israelites claiming that it would be incorrect to suggest that God formed the human being in an instant and in the Image of God as Wisdom 2 predicted.

But here comes the truly amazing prediction, not from the Quran or the so-called Theory of Evolution, but from Wisdom 2, which accurately prophesied, way ahead of Darwin and Islam’s Muhammad, the Cathar and the Kabbalah to even predicting the coming of modern Eugenics explaining that mankind will devise such faulty understanding. As Wisdom 2 exposes: “this is the false argument they use” (Wisdom 2:1) while they mock the Christian, at the foot of their cross devising final solutions.

SO WHICH SECT OF CHRISTIANS FELL FIRST INTO BELIEVING THESE DECEPTIONS? 
Ever notice why Evolutionists rarely if ever target Islam? Therefore, their main focus is not on religion per se, but converting the Church to accept their narrative by arm-twisting. The language of the evolutionist is always coercive. The Islamic system is well equipped for setting up both stages; that after Islam carrying out much bloodshed, here comes the ointment, Sufism, and after all the ‘peace’ of Sufism is pumped into the souls of many, then here comes the bloodbaths, all over again. This is Islam’s cycle of violence and is why scripture says “by peace he deceives many”.

It really takes someone who understands both scripture, Islam and the devil to be able to withstand satan’s onslaught and is why Christ warned to “be as wise as serpents and as innocent as doves” and is why scriptures warn that “he deceives the elect, if he can”.

And so it is today, after all the bloodbaths by ISIS, soon will come Turkey’s Sufism with “peace” to fulfill Wisdom 2, explaining that true Mohammedanism [Islam], through the Sufi doctrine, which is a good deal in touch with Theosophy, inasmuch as it supposedly preaches one universal creed, and outward respect and tolerance for every popular exoteric faith (except Christianity of course). It is also in touch with Masonry. And by this Antichrist will use “peace” to “deceive many”.

All this, of course, will be welcomed by the eugenists with open arms. And just as it was then, even at the time of Christ, it was the Pharisees that killed Christ, so it is now; Nazism was not labeled “left-wing” but “conservative right wing”. The German Workers’ Party, which became the National Socialist German Worker’s (Nazi) was the creation of the Thule Society, considered to be a right (not left), Aryan-theosophical organization, and Sufi orientalist in their revamped occult practices .

All this will again test the spirit, defining wheat from tares, to prove that in evil, there is no such thing as strange bedfellows. It is after all devil copulating with devil.

Charles Johnson, one of the teachers for the occult Theosophical Society in the early twentieth century, said in a lecture in 1928:

“We are immensely indebted to the great teaching of evolution, which Darwin and Alfred Russel Wallace put forward tentatively in 1859. We could hardly have hoped for the success of the Theosophical Movement had not the teaching of evolution preceded by sixteen years the founding of The Theosophical Society in 1875, because we teach — or, to put the matter in its true order, because we first learned, and then tried to convey, the teaching of spiritual evolution, with a far greater scope and larger potency than anything of which Darwin ever dreamed.” (From Theosophy, lecture 9, Theosophical Quarterly, July, 1928)

Clockwise from top left: Vera Johnston, Charles Johnston, Henry Olcott, Vera Zhelihovsky, and Helen Blavatsky, all of whom were leaders of the occult, Theosophical Society

The Protestant world misses the Book of Wisdom. It is no wonder why the forces of darkness and the principalities had the Book of Wisdom removed from the scripture by Martin Luther who considered it ‘apocrypha’ for without it, the poor soul misses these crucial keys. Evolutionism simply strengthened occultism, and Protestantism merely led to evolutionism. Lets not forget, it was Thomas Malthus, a Protestant minister, who inspired Alfred Russel Wallace, and it was also this same minister who influenced Darwin on natural selection. As Darwin wrote in his autobiography:

“In October 1838, that is, fifteen months after I had begun my systematic inquiry, I happened to read for amusement Malthus on Population, and being well prepared to appreciate the struggle for existence which everywhere goes on from long-continued observation of the habits of animals and plants, it at once struck me that under these circumstances favourable variations would tend to be preserved, and unfavourable ones to be destroyed. The results of this would be the formation of a new species. Here, then I had at last got a theory by which to work”.

From Protestantism to evolutionism, from one form of anarchy to another, while Darwinism sprung from England, it greatly thrived in Germany, the heartland of Protestantism, and a link between Luther and Darwin was being hailed as the triumph of the Northern European over the Catholic Church of Southern Europe. This was being done by Darwin’s German colleague, Ernst Haeckel.

Few pay close attention to how Wisdom 2 is multifaceted and goes beyond a single dimension of time where it does not exclusively speak of the Jews who condemned Christ at the foot of the cross, but ultimately, it catapults way further in time, to the Muslim who is already taken by the flood and to the evolutionist mocking the Christian for believing in creation and in “the Son of God” during their greatest time of tribulation and persecution by these miserable evolutionists and Muslims.

Protestants historically were the first to abandon the faith when they evolved from the 1500s and then the Enlightenment, 1600s, they began to form the earliest forms of evolutionary theory and once Darwinism came, many Protestants swallowed up Theistic Evolution more than any other people on earth. Therefore, cursed is the man, Luther, who took away from the words of Scripture calling it ‘Apocrypha’.

It is no wonder why the predestination of Luther as well as Muhammad’s predestination (Al-Qada wal-Qadar) is taught with theological words, while the predestination of Darwin is taught under scientific terminology. Predestination is a prelude that says to the weak, they are predestined to destruction and that sin is predestined for since God puts it to good use.

Darwin and Luther, once their doctrines are stripped of their scientific and theological sophisms, essentially taught the same thing. Darwin’s teachings are wrapped with secular explanations, while Luther taught through theological terminology. Regardless of these differences, their teachings can be summed up in one line: man is a slave to his animalism and  therefore he is destined to it and cannot be free. Luther taught that man was a slave to his sin nature, and could not be liberated; Darwin taught that man was a slave to his animal nature, and could not be free. Both men advocated and encouraged for the enslavement of self to animal impulses. Whether you call it Lutheranism or predestination, or Darwinism, the end is the same: embrace bondage, embrace slavery, and while you’re at it, be sure to enslave the whole world, to destruction, to death, to chaos.

The history of German thought, from the gnostics, to Luther, to Hegel, and to one who he would later influence, Nietzsche, the prophet of the German tyranny of the First World War, and then for the Nazis. It is no wonder then, that the Nazis — being amongst the greatest haters of humanity — praised Luther’s war against the priesthood — and thus — in hating the physical nature of Catholic dogma, they hated humanity itself. Alfred Rosenberg, the head ideologue of Nazi ideology, wrote:

“the greatness of Luther’s deed does not consist in merely founding a church, but is much more important than the introduction of a division between two versions of faith. However much Luther may still have been deeply embedded in the middle ages, his deed signifies the great revolution in the history of Europe after the penetration of Roman Christianity. Luther denied the priesthood as a power in itself, that is, denied the right of justification by a caste of men who claimed to be in closer relationship with the godhead than others, and who on the basis of alleged knowledge of god presumed they possessed better insight concerning god’s plans for salvation and conditions in heaven. As a result, Martin Luther hindered the further advance of that magical monstrosity [the Catholic Church].”

It all fulfills Wisdom 2:

“So our life will pass away like the traces of a cloud, and will be dispersed like a mist pursued by the sun’s rays and overpowered by its heat. For our lifetime is the passing of a shadow; and our dying cannot be deferred because it is fixed with a seal; and no one returns. Come, therefore, let us enjoy the good things that are here, and make use of creation with youthful zest. Let us have our fill of costly wine and perfumes, and let no springtime blossom pass us by; let us crown ourselves with rosebuds before they wither. Let no meadow be free from our wantonness; everywhere let us leave tokens of our merriment, for this is our portion, and this our lot.”

The violent and fanatic advancement of Luther’s “Slave Will” doctrine is an obvious outcome of his theology, since the bottom line of Luther’s doctrine is the rejection of free-will. He rejected the corporate responsibility that Christ and His Church is one, that they worked in a corporate fashion where through Christ the Christian ‘works out his salvation’. Luther neglected this human participation in man’s salvation. He rejected the human element in salvation which only means that man, like in Islam, is a slave. Luther in his devotion for his rejection of free-will wrote:

“To me, the defense of this truth [predestination] is a matter of supreme and eternal importance. I am convinced that life itself should be set at stake in order to preserve it. It must stand though the whole world be involved thereby in strife and tumult, nay, even fall into ruins.”

So many are the imbeciles. It took the imbeciles of this world thousands of years to unravel the cosmos: “as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand upon the sea shore” (Genesis 22:17) they did not know that the number of stars does in fact correspond to the grains of sands on the shore with so many stars.

Wisdom 2, one of the most amazing prophecies in the Bible. It not only predicted Christ’s Passion being condemned for claiming to be “the Son of God” but it sums up the battle in the latter days with the sons of God being liquidated by the sons of the devil.

It is only when we understand the richness and the wealth of Scripture in its plural, multi-faceted, multi-layered meanings revealing that when God speaks, He covers the whole history of His suffering for our sins and the history of His people’s suffering from the sins of others.

How evolutionary theorists, eugenists, Muslims and Nazis will come about to destroy the Church in the ends of days is now clear. The Passion of Christ and His suffering at the foot of the Cross resembles the end and the resurrection, not just of Christ, but of His Body, the saints when the ‘bulls of Bashan’ of ancient Syria surround them to annihilate them. But few pay close attention to link all this to Wisdom 2.

Therefore, the multiple facets of reviewing prophecy is key and without this key there erupts so many disagreements. 

So that when John writes of “seven mountains” which are “seven kingdoms” and “ten horns”, we find multiple interpretations, none of which completely fit perfectly unless we understand, there are multiple fulfillments which includes the Ottoman Turks.

Wisdom is so amazingly prophetic. Not only does Wisdom prophesy the coming of evolution, but it predicts what the others, the prior schismatics had proclaimed regarding the origin of life.

THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE AND EUGENICS 
Ernst Haeckel was deeply influenced by the German religious teacher, Friedrich Daniel Schleiermacher. In 1799 book, On Religion, Schleiermacher taught that true religion was forged deeply into the human heart, and that all rites and dogmas were merely poor expressions of this true religion. Influenced by Protestantism, Haeckel erected a bridge between Luther’s revolt against the Catholic Church, and Darwin’s revolt against the Christian teaching of Creation.

Protestantism would influence evolutionism, Ernst Haeckel (bottom left), a German evolutionist, was instrumental in influencing the Young Turks (bottom right) on Darwinism. The Young Turks, influenced by Darwinism, would carry out the Armenian Genocide

In October of 1882, just months after Darwin’s death, Haeckel gave a speech in Eisenach in which he expressed his adulation for Darwin, paralleling him with Luther, who in his words:

“with a mighty hand tore asunder the web of lies by the world-dominating Papacy, so in our day, Charles Darwin, with comparable over-powering might, has destroyed the ruling, error-doctrines of the mystical creation dogma and through his reform of development theory has elevated the whole sensibility, thought, and will of mankind onto a higher plane.”

Friedrich Daniel Schleiermacher

Haeckel said that it was in Italy where he finally came to the realization of the distinct nature of the German and Northern European race (now mostly Protestant), from the Southern European peoples (mostly Catholic, Orthodox). Southern Europe is where the ‘ships of Chittim [Mediterranean]’ come from and they fight ‘the little horn’ (Antichrist). Is it any wonder why God forewarned of the enemy from the north? (Daniel 11:44, Isaiah 14:13, Zechariah 2:6, Zechariah 6:8, Jeremiah 1:14, Jeremiah 46:20, Ezekiel 38:15, Joel 2:20)

In an 1859 letter, writing from Messina, he explained how staying in Italy “stirred up and cultivated” more than anything a “heightened inner love for our incomparable German fatherland.” He wrote how anytime he visited Italy, no matter how beautiful its nature and scenery, he felt compelled to express his reverence for Germany. “It has to be heard over all of Italy and Sicily,” he wrote, “in the majestic environment of Naples, as well as on the glorious plains of Palermo, among the quarries of Syracuse, as well as on the peak of Aetna: Deutschland, Deutschland uber alles, uber alles in der Welt! — Ich bin ein Deutscher, will ein Deutscher sein! [Germany, Germany above all, above everything in the world! I am a German, I will be a German!]’ This superiority of Germany over Italy was really a continuation of what was advocated for by Luther in his mission to sever Germany from Catholic Christendom and the universal Church.

Haeckel travelled through Italy with his friend, the German poet Hermann Allmers, who concluded that Darwin had fulfilled the promise of higher German thought, and that Darwinism was the expression of triumph over the Catholic Church. While the two were in Sorrento, they came across a Norwegian traveller. “The common bond,” Haeckel wrote, “of our German racial nature quickly allowed us to become acquainted with him and we were overjoyed to hear so well expressed… the noble and great ideas of the free German spirit.” He referred to other Germans that they met as “sons of the north” and of the “same great national race.” In another note he wrote: “This experience strengthened anew in me my belief that there exists in our common German nation a healthy embryo which is capable of evolution and it is only because of this that one may hope for a healthy surge in social relations.” (See Daniel Gasman, Scientific Origins of National Socialism, p. 3)

Haeckel esteemed Darwinism and evolutionism as the final stage of the German struggle — starting from Luther — against the Catholic Church. “What the Wartburg was for Martin Luther,” wrote Haeckel, “what Weimar was for the greatest heroes of German literature, Jena will remain in the future; a mighty fortress of free thought, free scholarship, free teaching — a mighty fortress of reason!” (See Daniel Gasman, Scientific Origins of National Socialism, p. 17)

The beliefs of Haeckel would impact all of Western Europe, but it would also find significant influence in the souls of violently anti-Christian, Masonic, Islamic elites: The Young Turks.

In 1908, the Turkish secret society, the Committee of Union and Progress, or the Young Turkey Party, commenced a revolution against the Sultan, Abdul Hamid II. The Sultan eventually abdicated his throne and gave it to his brother. But, by 1913, the Young Turks officially took over the empire.

Sultan Abdul Hamid II

Unlike the Sultan, the Young Turks held on to secularism, and believed that through modernization, the Ottoman Empire would be able to stop European expansion into Turkish territory. (See Fromkin, Europe’s Last Summer, ch. 10,  pp. 68-69)

In 1871, Germany became an officially unified nation, and soon after its successful unification, Germany formed an alliance with the Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman elites — statesmen, students, officers and bureaucrats — were the ones who had formed the alliance between Germany and the Ottoman Empire. They had lived in Germany where they studied medicine, military science and engineering, and took a strong interest in German philosophy and ideology. One aspect of German thought that the Ottomans dug into enthusiastically, especially after 1909, was the ideology of the racial nation, the “blood and soil” religion (See Worringer, Ottomans Imagining Japan, ch. 3, p. 50) that would be enacted in Nazi Germany.

The Ottomans learned this ideology through the teachings of both Haeckel and Herbert Spencer, the one who actually termed the phrase, “survival of the fittest.” Haeckel, alongside his fellow German Darwinists, Max Weber and Paul Von Lilienfeld, applied Social Darwinism to economics, praising the principle of economic competition as the force behind Social Darwinism. From this ideology, militarism and the extinction of those considered as “weaker, primitive races”, was justified in the Social Darwinist construct. This eugenist ideology seeped into Ottoman thought, and greatly inspired the annihilation of the Armenians, alongside the Greek and Assyrian Christians. (See Worringer, Ottomans Imagining Japan, ch. 3, pp. 50-51)

Martin Luther (upper far left corner), influenced Ernst Haeckel (top middle), and alongside Herbert Spencer (top right), Max Weber (bottom far left) and Paul Von Lilienfeld (middle bottom), their work would influence the Young Turks who would go on to exterminate the Armenians

The Ottomans, just like the Identitarians of our day, looked to Japan as a prime example of a racially and religiously unified nation. The Ottomans were ashamed that their own empire was too religiously and ethnically diverse, being filled with Christians of Armenian, Greek and Assyrian descent. The Sultan, Abdulhamid II, himself lamented this, and coveted the nation of Japan. The Sultan wrote in 1917:

“I do not know how appropriate it is to compare Ottoman lands to Japan, to expect success from this Sultan similar to that of the Emperor! Japan is a country of islands, tucked away on one side of the Pacific Ocean; it is a great society, ethnically integrated, uni-religious, uni-national. If there is any region in the world that it does not resemble, it is our wretched country. How could I have reconciled the Kurd and the Armenian, the Greek and the Turk, the Arab and the Bulgar? … Never at any time did Mikado Hatsuhito [sic] come up against such obstacles and never did Japan confront such difficulties.” (See Worringer, Ottomans Imagining Japan, ch. 5, p. 126) 

It was this desire for an ethnocentric, religiously unified and nationalist state, that resonated into the minds of the Young Turks. Though the Sultan believed in this, he did not completely enact it, but it was done by the Young Turks. When the Japanese defeated the Russians in the Russo-Japanese War, and when they conquered China, the Turks saw this as proof of the superiority of the Asian race over the European race. As one article written in 1904, and published on the Young Turk magazine, Sura-yi Ummet, expressed this view:

“Some Europeans and some Ottomans who imitate what they see without understanding, consider us a race in the lower part of the racial hierarchy. Let us say it in plain Turkish: they regard the Turks as second class human beings. Japanese people, being of the stock of the yellow race, are annihilating the slander against nature with the progress in their country and with their cannons and rifles in Manchuria.” (Quoted by Worringer, Ottomans Imagining Japan, ch. 5, p. 136) 

The Japanese slaughter of the Russians and the Chinese, were viewed as a sign of racial superiority, by the Ottomans. The popular perspective of neo-Nazis and ultra-nationalists is that Japan is a great example of a homogeneous society, one worthy of emulation. This perspective was as well adopted by the Young Turks. The Young Turk magazine, Turk, praised the “homogeneous” society and the fanatic nationalism of Japan:

“…in all [its] natural disposition and knowledge a homogeneous people that from end to end is touched by the same sentiments, pursues the same hopes. They love the homeland, with zeal fall victim for the sake of the homeland, in an instant they sacrifice lives for honor and dignity, lives that they sincerely loved and appreciated. They never fear death.” (Worringer, Ottomans Imagining Japan, ch. 5, p. 139)

The fascination with Japan and its nationalism by the Ottoman Empire will be, I believe, continuing into the future, and will help motivate and facilitate an Ottoman, German and Japanese alliance. The Young Turks revered the Japanese for their barbarism (giving them the title, with pride, of “barbarians”), their callousness while conducting massacres, and also for the love of patriotism. In the Sura-yi Ummet it reads a praise to the Japanese:

“Behold the work of these barbarians … they whose civilization, achieved in half a century, has become superior to European civilization which has fallen into decay; they who do not have to reproach massacres, who do not have to gag any mouths out of which a liberal word came, who do not have to exile or suppress patriots, who do not have to dynamite any human beings under the pretext that their skin was dark and that it constituted a happy pastime!” (Quoted by Worringer, ch. 5, p. 142) 

The Ottoman military officer, Pertev Bey, praised the Japanese soldiers, and wrote in awe of how they went “one by one, like a machine, emotionless, heartless, spiritless, voiceless” to defend Japan with “patriotic affection”. This talk of patriotism, alongside a reverence for Japan, went in hand in hand with the Ottoman belief in the superiority of the Turanian race. This glorification of the Japanese as a race, overlapped and interconnected with Ottoman universalist religion.

Armenian beheadings (left); mass beheadings done by Japanese soldiers in China (right). The brutality and cruelty of the Japanese was admired by the Ottomans.

The Young Turk magazine, Ictihad, praised the Emperor of Japan and even saw the rise of Japan as an awakener of both Muslims and Hindus as well:

“The land of the Rising Sun [Japan] is today neck and neck with foremost nations of the world, intellectually, technologically, scientifically, productively, commercially, agriculturally, politically, socially, militarily … yes, Japan’s rise made the awakening of the East a consequence. In the liberating motion of this [Japanese] ascension are awakened the dormant passions of the Muslim, the Hindu, the Brahmin, the Confucian. …The miraculous transformation Japan showed, from an oppressive feudalism into an elevated and rather progressive constitutional monarchy, is a development owing to His excellency the late Emperor.” (See Worringer, Ottomans Imagining Japan, ch. 6, p. 167, brackets mine

In wanting to be like Japan, the Young Turks desired a homogeneous society, one free of Christians who refused to integrate to the Ottoman society and conform to the Ottomanist ideology. For the Young Turks, to be a Christian, one was likely to also be a Greek, Armenian, or Arab, in short, they were not Turks and thus were a threat to the utopian vision of a racially and religiously homogeneous society. The Young Turks even began replacing the Arab officials within the government, with Turks. This measure was done on ethnic lines. (See Worringer, Ottomans Imagining Japan, ch. 6, pp. 178-179)

As the historian, Renee Worringer, points out, the Young Turks’ “affinity with Europe and their increasingly exclusive possession of Ottoman political power caused them to be profoundly attracted to racialized concepts of nationhood that would set them apart from others in the Ottoman Empire. This tendency was reflected in their particular view of a Japanese as a racially distinct and homogeneous nation, and their embrace of this attitude appeared frequently in the Ottoman Turkish literature of the period.” (Worringer, Ottomans Imagining Japan, ch. 7, p. 185)  

In order to create a homogeneous society, the empire needed to be purged of Christians and therefore fulfilling Wisdom 2. Since the Christians either Armenians, Greeks or Semites, to be a Christian was to be deemed as being amongst the non-Turk and thus, inferior, races. The genocide of the Armenian Christians, and the Christians of Smyrna and other lands, was done under the fixation on a unified Ottoman Empire, without non-Ottomans, or those who would bring disunity to the empire. (See Worringer, Ottomans Imagining Japan, ch. 7, p. 196)

This violent fixation on unity, on racial and religious lines, was inspired by the view of a “homogeneous” Japan. The Ottoman magazine, Volkan, headed by the Bektashi sufist, Kibrisli Hafiz Dervis Vahdeti, expressed this inspiration from Japan as such:

“Come heroes! Let us unite! Let us assume the strength of character of early Islam, let us be a noble people like the Japanese, who love their governments, their Mikados [emperors], who sacrifice their lives along the way. …Postponing even for a moment what I said will and does cause the homeland to break into pieces.” (See Worringer, Ottomans Imagining Japan, ch. 7, p. 175, brackets mine) 

Kibrisli Hafiz Dervis Vahdeti

Christians were seen as causes of the homeland breaking “into pieces,” and so thus, were exterminated. This envisioning of a unified empire, was inspired by Islam — from the desire for Islamic unity, or the unity of the Umma —, Japanese nationalist ideology, and German nationalism. Yusuf Akcura, a major ideologue for the Young Turks, wrote that “the German interpretation of nationality — one that assumed ethnicity as the basis of nationality … is closer to reality,” and went so far as to put pan-Ottomanism as above pan-Islamism. (See Worringer, Ottomans Imagining Japan, ch. 7, p. 189) 

Yusuf Akcura

The Armenian Genocide was influenced by the theistic evolution of Islam, and the ethnocentric ideologies of Germany and Japan. In summary, Protestant thought would influence Darwinism, and Darwinism would eventually influence the first holocaust of the 20th century, the Genocide done by the Ottoman Empire, and the later Holocaust done by the fatherland of Protestantism — Germany.

LUTHER AND GERMAN NATIONALISM
The anti-Jewish hatred of Nazi Germany was sown into the German soul by Martin Luther. Luther once expressed his violent fantasy against the Jews as such:

“Were I able, I would knock him [the Jew] down and stab him in my anger. It is lawful according to both the human and the divine law, to kill a robber; then it is even more permissible to slay a blasphemer” (Detailed references given in Grisar, Luther, vol. v, p. 413, in Weiner, Luther, p. 73) 

He also said, “We ought to take revenge on the Jews and kill them”, and he lamented:

“it is our own fault that we have not annihilated the Jews but placidly let them stay where they are in spite of all their murders, their curses, blasphemies, lies, violations, and that we even protect their schools, their dwellings, their persons and property.” (In Weiner, Luther, p. 74) 

What Luther wanted

Today we speak of the Ottomans and how they first devised the idea of huddling victims in a train cart, but hundreds of years before the Ottomans and the Nazis carried out their genocides, Martin Luther introduced the idea of forcing all of the Jews into concentration camps and work camps. He pushed for this imposition in his anti-Jewish code:

“Pack them all under one roof or stable, like the gypsies, that they may know that they are not lords and masters in our land as they boast. …Deprive them of the right to move about the country. … Hand the strong young Jews of both sexes flail, axe, mattock, spade, distaff, and spindle; and make them work for their bread in the sweat of their brow, like all the children of Adam. Confiscate their property and drive them out of the country.” (W53, 525 abridged, in Weiner, Luther, p. 75) 

The German Nazis would follow the words of Luther, with their Darwinist ideology, in the Holocaust. German scholars, contemporary to Luther, were repulsed by Luther’s violent envisioning. For example, Heinrich Bullinger of Zurich wrote: “Everyone must be astonished at the hard and presumptuous spirit of the man (Luther). The opinion of posterity will be that Luther was not only a man, but a man ruled by criminal passions.” (See Weiner, Luther, p. 76) 

Heinrich Bullinger of Zurich

Martin Luther was the patriarch of German nationalism. He appointed himself as the mouthpiece for the German race, saying:

“I am the prophet of the Germans, for such is the haughty title I must henceforth assume.” (Weiner, Martin Luther: Hitler’s Spiritual Ancestor, ch. 2, p. 26)

Luther moreover declared:

“As I am the prophet of the Germans, I will act as a faithful teacher and warn my staunch Germans of the danger in which they stand.”

Luther also said:

“I have been born for my beloved Germans, for them will I die!”

For Luther, the Germans were the Herrenvolk,, or “the best nation” just as the Quran said of Muslims as “the best nation” (Q 3:110) “The Germans are conspicuous for their nobility of character,” said Luther, “their constancy, an fidelity.” In another pompous and antichrist statement, Luther said:

“If God is concerned for the interests of His son, He will watch over me; my cause is the cause of Jesus Christ. If God careth not for the glory of Christ, He will endanger His own and will have to bear the shame.” (Quoted in Wiener, Martin Luther: Hitler’s Spiritual Ancestor, ch. 2, p. 26) 

If the Germans were so enthusiastic about a man like Luther, then it should have been no surprise that they accepted Adolf Hitler as their leader. Or in the words of Wiener:

“A nation which found it easy to accept a character like Luther as Christ, could not find it difficult to accept a man like Hitler as Messiah.” (Wiener, Martin Luther: Hitler’s Spiritual Ancestor, ch. 2, p. 27) 

And that is exactly what happened. The Germans were looking for really the fulfillment of Luther’s envisioning of an absolutist leader — a fuehrer —  for Germany. Luther once said:

“Germany is like a beautiful horse that has everything it needs. But it needs a horseman. In the same way as a good horse runs occasionally astray without a good horseman who governs it, so Germany has enough strength and people, but it lacks a good leader.”

Hitler was seen as the grand emulator of Luther. Karl Litzmann, a German general in the First World War who later joined the Nazi Party, definitely saw Hitler in this light. “Hitler,” he said in 1933, “is the greatest German, who can only be compared to Luther.” (See Weiner, Luther, p. 88

In light of Wisdom 2, this inquest on the connections between Darwinism, Protestantism and Islam, the First World War is of the utmost of significance for it was here where the Ottomans were bruised and it is here where they will re-arise to crucify the saints.

So Wisdom 2, reveals this conflict — amongst the most horrific ones experienced by mankind — Islam (which Wisdom predicted), Darwinism (which Wisdom exposed) and Protestantism (that did away with Wisdom), converged together to war against the true faith of Christianity.

So when observing the problems of our present day, and how they presage the rise of another bloody conflict, one realizes somewhere along the road of inquiry, that the First World War parallels our own coming Tribulation Period, and thus is a prerequisite for us to learn about it. In the words of historian George Kennan: “all the lines of inquiry, it seems to me, lead back to it.”

In the heart of Germany’s vision of supremacy, one will find Luther’s name engrained. Adolf Deissman, who was amongst Germany’s leading Protestant theologians during the First World War, unequivocally placed Luther as an inseparable pillar holding up German militarism. In 1914, Deissman wrote down the points of ideology which German Protestants had to follow. It was entitled: “The War and Religion” and in it he proclaimed the diabolical equation of Christianity with German supremacy. He wrote:

“The war has steeled our religion … We Germans can’t believe in anything else but a German God.” (Quoted by Weiner, Luther, p. 90) 

Adolf Deissman

Deissman also said:

“Our present religion is natural and German, and we preach a German God! A German, a national God!” (Ibid) 

By Making God German, what Lutheran ideology did was bring back the German people to its pre-Christian religion, when the Germans worshipped their own Germanic gods. By doing this under the guise of Christianity, it made it easier for people to return to paganism, without the trouble of appearing rebellious. Jesus Christ all of a sudden became a German, as we read in Deissman: “Only in a German cloak can the real Christ breath.” (As quoted by Weiner, Luther, p. 100)

This type of teaching went directly in line with the “back to roots” paganism that so grew in 20th century Germany. From nationalist religion, comes the idea that the race is above the Faith, and in this, do men put their own pride above mankind, and war against humanity itself. Hence why Protestant Germany had no problem in absorbing Social-Darwinism. Even in the words of the Protestant theologian, Deissman, do we find the Darwinist sentiment of “might makes right,” for he said:

“I am proud to preach the religion of might and what our enemies call barbarism.” (As quoted by Weiner, Luther, p. 100)

Protestants claim that there is no animosity to destroy the Universal Church. Fact is, it is all about destroying the Universal Church and is why throughout history these have suffered no martyrdoms in any mass exterminations that fits Psalm 22 or Wisdom 2 for these are of the lot of the persecutors, not the persecuted. 

And in this eleven thousand words essay which we at Shoebat.com carefully analyzed a multifaceted prophecy giving solid clues no one has ever considered. The coming global war on Christianity includes Muslims and Evolutionists pinpointing the common modern accusations leveled against the Christians. Wisdom 2 even uses rhetoric that is patently modern. The mocking language adds more phrases than what was told to Christ at His crucifixion. It adds the reasons from the evolutionists perspective as to why they massacre the remnants of the Universal Church, that is, that the Christian denies their theory; both atheistic and theistic evolution insisting we are not created “by mere chance,” but are created in the “image of God” and by “the Son of God” Who suffered similar consequence: death and then Resurrection. To obtain such a glorious resurrection then one must follow Christ’s command:

Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. (John 6:55-56)

For Christ clearly indicates “He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in them” (John 6:53–56). All who are able to partake and insist on rejecting this, or treat this holy matter as metaphor (as without substance) are ousted from the Kingdom for they reject the authority and the ability of God to fulfill His mystery. Therefore, these do not deserve a resurrection. Christ clearly stated that He will only abide in the one who partake of His Body and only then He will “raise them up at the last day.” This is no metaphor. One cannot have the Holy Spirit or claim that their inner belief system stems from a “divine spark” without this which was ordained through His Universal Church. Christ calls upon your souls: “Come to Me all you labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest”.

“He boasts that he hath the knowledge of God, and calls Himself the son of God” (Wisdom 2:13).

This verse is the most amazing prophecy about Christ’s first coming, but it has been dropped by so many who claim Christianity. Yet when confronted with this prophecy, many who call themselves Christian will mock at the Book of Wisdom denying that God inspired it. But this denial in itself fulfills this prophecy making these of the camp of the mockers.


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  • DanteRivers

    Which verses in this article dose this video represent?

    Ash Scattering at Sunset

    • DanteRivers

      Answer: Wisdom 2:3 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

      3 Which being put out, our body shall be ashes, and our spirit shall be poured abroad as soft air, and our life shall pass away as the trace of a cloud, and shall be dispersed as a mist, which is driven away by the beams of the sun, and overpowered with the heat thereof:

      • DanteRivers

        On second thought this verse cannot be talking about this burial practice. There is no mention of a harmonica in the verse. (joke)

        • DanteRivers

          Brilliant faith strengthening article!!!!!!

      • DanteRivers

        Someday they will hate us for burying our dead and will dig up and destroy our cemeteries. Archeologist have no regard for the dead in their graves now.

  • Of course, Wisdom 2! How often have I read this as part of my daily Scripture reading from OCA.org?! How could I have missed this? The riddle I was asked and I failed to even consider Wisdom 2! Lord have mercy upon me, a sinner!

    In reading the article above, I am impressed, powerfully, that the image that Christ gave of a lighthouse is the Vatican. Jesus said, “You are the light of the world,” and that a city does not be hidden on a hill, that could speak of the Vatican since it is from the Vatican, the Seat of Peter, and first among equal among apostolic Christians that the defense of the divinity of Christ is ruthlessly upheld. The Hagia Sophia, seat of the Eastern Roman Empire and of the Patriarchate of the Eastern Orthodox Church, too was a city on a hill that overlooks the Mediterranean Sea, and was dedicated as being the Temple of the Wisdom of Christ, also is a city upon a hill.

    Alas! We have a war, then, between two cities upon a hill, Vatican City and Istanbul, where the spiritual harlotry that stems from Mecca, Saudi Arabia, will soon consummate in Istanbul where the Antichrist will be enthroned and showing himself to be a god and replace Mecca with Istanbul where many will come to pledge their allegiance to the Antichrist.

    The Vatican City will soon have a pope who is also a warrior at heart that will rally the faithful worldwide and unite Anglicans, Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and a few Protestants (it would be a few, alas) who have not bowed their knees to the bulls of Bashan that will partake in the greatest Crusade the world has ever seen and will never see again, for it will be enjoined with the divine invasion of heaven as led by Christ upon a white horse with the army of heaven behind, and in the words of Wisdom, all of creation will be armed to repeal the devil, his emissary (the Antichrist), and his armies to once and for all destroy all of evil.

    Therefore, to reject the Eucharist as the life-giving food which is also the Real Presence of Christ (only high church Anglicans, Roman Catholics, and Eastern Orthodox upholds those belief) is to make oneself vulnerable to falling to the Antichrist. To reject the Eucharist, then is to reject the veneration of icons, of remembering the saints and to ask of their intercessions, to reject that the Blessed Virgin Mary is alive and powerful, seated at the foot of Christ and intercede for us sinners as the Mother of the Church, and to reject the incense which represents the smoke of our prayers, where in the Apocalypse the angel will gather all of our prayers into a censer and throw it into the cloud of the kingdom of the Antichrist, announcing the arrival of God’s judgment upon the whole world for the rejection of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church whose commission was to make all disciples of all nations and to observe all that Christ has commanded the first generation apostles.

    Thus, it is not surprising that Sufi Islam, through it’s evolutionary theistic approach, will draw in the neo-Paganism, the Protestants who reject the tradition and practice of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, eugenicists, atheists, fallen Catholics and Orthodox (woe to those who have departed the Faith to have their ears tickled!) in order to advance one single camp, under the banner of the devil, the god of this world, against the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church and the Faithful who will offer themselves freely, as lamb led to the slaughter, to prove that we are truly sons of God and joint heir with Christ.

    • Стефан Евгений

      Here Trevor have a good read.
      http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/47866.htm
      For a Christian to be the light of the world he must seek out the acquisition of the Holy Spirit of God. It is up to us all to seek out the Uncreated light.

      • Whew, talk about heavy stuff. That’s the type of stuff I love feasting upon. I’ll finish reading it as I need to get ready for Mass.

    • We need to have you memorize this speech, put you on a horse and have you give it in this fashion:

      • PARKS CURTIS

        “we are so good to take care of our enemies who treat us wrong ” ” the peace lovers ” ( said in ironic sarcasm ) ” put your family first and America is our Family ” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNz2f9W8Z6o

        • Grandmere

          JOY. Jesus first, then others, then yourself. The Biblical secret to happiness.

          • PARKS CURTIS

            RE ” JOY. Jesus first, then others, then yourself. The Biblical secret to happiness” IN RESPONSE TO uncle “Bill” Parks POINTING OUT
            “we are so good to take care of our enemies who treat us wrong ” ” the peace lovers ” ( said in ironic sarcasm ) ” put your family first and America is our Family ” here is the Nation treasure Crusader ”
            this ” joy. ” TOO can be twisted to favor our enemies AGAINST others … I have heard the ” I’m 3rd ” philosophy but our Lord says he did not come to bring peace but a sword and division … this is one of those issues of division placing ” the little ones that believe in me ” as a priority ” the greatest in the kingdom of heaven ” I would also EMPHASIZE PUTTING OUR SELF PRESERVATION FIRST ( WITH EXECPTIONS OF SACRFICE IN BATTLE ETC ) Our own preservation of our OWN Judea Christian children first … PUTTING ON OUR OXYGEN MASK first BEFORE TRYING TO ASSOIST OTHERS THAT EVEN THE LIBERALIZED AIORLINE STEWARDS HAVE REGURGITATED BUT DO THE APLY THAT TO OUR land ? THE J O Y anachronism is powerful only if in context … notice little children like 2 year old Christine Lee Hanson slammed into buildings because we put our enemies ” rights ” to enter our country first …… how about in conxtet and in wisdom we just acknowledge factual tactical spiritually sound principal and reality anmd I would rather proclaim ” JUST OBEY YAHWAEH ” so that we don’t put the wrong things first … Now another 2 year old around the same time ( 2001) was victim of Islamic sexual mutilation BY HER FATJHER IN Georgia … putting OUR5 ENEMIES AND THEIR CHILDREN FIRSTT IS WRONG TO our American family … When we get DECIEVED to use Gods verses against his will and his own people that is not ” bold as a lion ” truth and that is not ” wise as a serpent ” reasoning we are commanded by God not to put anything above the truth and informed that even the devil quotes scriptures and comes disguised as an ” angel of light ” Hitler had biblical quotes about ” truth ” and ” free ” above his enslavement and execution camp built on lies … Muhammad claimed our Angel Gabriel gave him messages while he was in his child rape victims clothing being a cross dressing pedophile ” prophet ” proclaiming that a puppy blocked his wish from coming true …When we use our texts outside of biblical wisdom ( making texts con-texts convincing you of the opposite of how they should be applied by diabolical deception out of context ) to enable evil that is as self defeating and WRONG as when people claim Islam is ” constitutional although it is against free speech / peaceful assembly and freedom of religion and individual rights as well as inalienable rights handed down from the God of Israel .,.. even our 2nd Amendment is opposed by Muslims who are taught to hoard or ” muster ” weapons against us . … please watch the video and consider the truth to be our greatest treasure ,… if we use our constitution based on our scriptures out of context to advance evil and destroy our own children and of our countrymen is that putting our lord first who clearly has them in mind as a priority ? trump has just singed off on bringing 50,000 refugees to America which endangers our children like little Christine Lee Hanson in the most vile ways of death abduction rape slavery sale sexual mutilation and torture BY Satanists … Is that ” Gods will ” ? is that ” JOY ” ?

        • filomena seiffert

          God first, family second, nation third.

          • PARKS CURTIS

            SOMETIMES YOU MUST DIE FOR YOIR COUNTRY IN ORDER TO HONOR GOD AND FAMILY …

          • filomena seiffert

            Only in self defense. This is not the case here, USA with the vassals attacked the muslims, it was like to attack a nest of wasps so can not blame them for want to destroy those nations. Every time one is the aggressor is murder, totally against Gods law, moreover, so far, you have been assassinating people to make the elite richer and more powerful. USA is not a democracy, it is a dictatorship.

    • Kamau41

      Excellent insights my friend.

      • “We call this food Eucharist; and no one else is permitted to partake of it, except one who believes our teaching to be true and who has been washed in the washing which is for the remission of sins and for
        regeneration [Baptism], and is thereby living as Christ has enjoined.”

        That destroys the argument made by others who do not believe that the Eucharist is the Presence of Christ.

        • Grandmere

          Oh, the glory of this most holy mystery!

        • concerned american

          Trevor, posts like this is what keeps me hungry for more. I came from the Nazarene Church…which I left several years ago. Nazarene doctrine teaches the body is corruptible while on earth.

          And now I see that Irenaeus says that our bodies, when we receive the Eucharist, are no longer corruptible. Plus, I was never taught that the Eucharist is the Presence of Christ. Pretty big thing to leave out.

          I’m discovering I’m having to relearn soooo much. The only good I can think of for having to “undo”, if you will, is that I know how the Protestant thinks. I know their arguments. I’m sure I can eventually put that to good use.

          Thank you Trevor for your great posts.

          • You are welcome.

            I have found that Gnostics are those who teach the flesh is so corrupted it is beyond saving. It is those whom St. Paul warned would teach people to abstain from marriage and forbidding to eat meat.

            I am unlearning everything I have learned from growing up as a Baptist. We are learning together.

      • Grandmere

        Amen, 41.

    • Filip

      God Bless you!

    • concerned american

      Trevor, I have a copy of MANY articles written on this site. Call it my library of resources. I have now copied this comment to my library.
      Thank you Trevor.

  • DanteRivers

    Pretrib rapture argument
    Wisdom 2:18 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
    18 For if he be the true son of God, he will defend him, and will deliver him from the hands of his enemies.

    • Only the wise will understand what you jotted. Very true.

  • DanteRivers

    You know you are in the right church when you look up! (meditate on verse while looking at picture)

    But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.” (Hebrews 12:22-24)

    Cristo Pantocrator
    http://byzantineiconsmavridis.gr/images/pantokrator/pantokrator1b.jpg

    • “You know you are in the right church when you look up! (see picture)”

      Well put. I’ll remember that.

    • Kamau41

      Beautiful Dante.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    How do you do it? This is utterly amazing, the connections/ similarities between Sufism/Theosophy/Buddhism/eugenics/Hinduism/Darwinism and Luther — and the silver thread is the devil. I think that the timing of this article is providential as most of the readership here is now solidly Apostolic -(if my count is correct, four converts just thus Easter!!! DEUS, TREVOR, DANTE, DARREN – If I missed a name, I apologize in advance.) . I think thusly because many protestants would/will automatically recoil from the truths that you have uncovered and expounded here ( – if any one remembers a former reader ‘ billo54 ‘, he would have been the first one to jump up and down about this article because of his main man Luther)- I feel bad for people so hardened such as he is/was, even God has a hard time trying to get through to hides that thick. I’m glad this was posted tonight so I had time to read it before going to Mass in the morning. Will read again tomorrow to absorb it better. Fantastic find and well put together — I don’t know when you find time to sleep. Anothe truth about creation that is not in the protestant Bible is the doctrine of ‘ex nihilo’ -creation began from nothing – it is in Maccabees – I think the second book, chapter ,7(?)
    The ancient rabbis believed ( and rightly so) that man was ‘God’s spittle’ – remember in Genesis’s account of God making man using dust ,,- well, dust scatters when blown upon – so God must have ‘spit’ to keep the dust together – now recall the story in the Gospels, I think St John’s, about Jesus using his spittle to cure.

    • “How do you do it? ”

      By watching the strong faith you have, Trevor, 41, Raph, the Russian and others and my priest’s forgiveness during confession and then the Mighty Eucharist …. it works. It really really works.

      These give me all the fuel I need to dedicate my life to the Wisdom of God.

      I shall study your analysis as soon as I dedicate a few hours to God.

      • Julie LaBrecque

        Guess we all do truly need each other. Give Maria my greetings – Carlos too (hope I remembered the name correctly)

        • Thank you sister Julie. You did remember the name ‘correctly’.

          “Guess we all do truly need each other.”

          Whatever comes out of these gates, we stand a better chance of survival if we stay together.

          *from the scene in Gladiator*

          • Brenda

            Currently one of the things I am doing becasue I enjoy it at the moment is commenting with narcissism abuse survivors, So many see these big changes and know something is going on in the world, But with all of the propaganda against Catholics they might not think to go in that direction. But I have seen today one who is Catholic and he mentioned it, Seems there is a connection between having these instincts and these narcissist picking people out for abuse, I think even if they are not aware of it what their goal might be it is to attack people who have had good discernment. So many abuse survivors had it but ignored it thanks to this secular culture. There is a man, a confessed sociopath and he was saying in a comment that he wants war between narcissist and empaths. I think empaths just might be people who have had good instincts or discernment all along and were not taught to trust it so they were easy pray for those with lesser empathy or an inability to feel empathy.

      • Brenda

        Admittedly sometimes it’s the comments by them that are my favorite part of this website, and odd it’s often the shortest comment that will hit the nail right on the head for me.

        • “Admittedly sometimes it’s the comments by them that are my favorite part of this website”

          For me its fuzzy cats. I love cats.

      • Filip

        Mr. Shoebat.. tell the man the truth! You are filled with the Holy Spirit, for you part take in the confession of sins.. and you take the Eucharist! This fuel is like the button at the gas station you do not see.. the one stamped “Spiritual Energy From God” <3

  • Jeff Benton

    Hope ya got your ducks in a row 🙂 🙂 🙂 . My experience is that when ya call out their god -> evolution, thats when they get really mad and hit ya hard…

    I’m going to break a little opsec here, but it is so Obvious I dont believe it matters…
    I imagine their first battle tactic against you shall be the Obvious one…
    It might go something like this — Look at this fellow who calls for people to be killed for their beliefs, saying it is us that will call for peeps to be killed for their beliefs…

    And thats only the first wave of slander… There will be more…

    After that they send in the blaspheming Christ mockers who curse Christ publicly, usually anonymously at first behind hidden screen names… they say things specifically designed to make your stomach turn inside out…

    Yeppers… Get ready brother… Get those ducks in a row 🙂 🙂 🙂

    Just remember to have fun with em…
    When they come for ya with their bs, ask em if there is a sedimentary layer of rock a mile thick in places on every continent 😉
    Then ask em if sedimentary rock means Rock laid down by water 🙂 🙂 🙂
    That Really riles em up LOL…
    Might do some research into soft tissue in “fossils” too… I havent looked into it deeply but I think there are folks who have…
    Cant really use the Law of entropy (2nd law of thermodynamics) anymore since they changed it to this MEP crud or whatever they call it, so it wouldn’t get in the way of their lies…
    But I think knowledgeable sources have already cracked that nut too LOL…
    I just haven’t looked into it since it is these very swine 😉 who seek our deaths in the most horrendous of ways… Nopers… Let em wallow in their filth till the screams begin… Elijah would have killed em all if he could have… he got quite a few of em though!!!
    Of course keep an eye out for the few God seekers here and there among the swine… Got to try and pull em out of the pit when ya spot em…
    Keep up the good work!!!

  • Kamau41

    “interpreting prophecy’s dual purpose is impossible unless one comprehends that scripture does not usually speak to us on an individual level but in a corporate level.” WOW!!!!! This is a very timely, masterpiece, shocking, comprehensive study all around by far, brother Walid. Absolutely phenomenal. It’s truly insightful and fascinating to reveal to us how the book of Wisdom 2 predicted how the theists evolution, eugenics-social darwinism would play a very significant in our times. The connections of Islam/Sufism-Luther is totally unrefutable. Furthermore, you were able to accurately shed much more light on the history of Luther and his writings along with his followerers/the Protestant Revolt, which clearly sided with the Ottomans and the eventual rise of Hitler in Germany. The Russo-Japanese War and seeing those gruesome photos of the Armenian Genocide(which has been sadly ignored by westerners) is definitely heart wrenching. Those who have eyes to see realize that we are witnessing history repeating itself at breathneck speed. As always, thank you so much for such incredible/amazing research.

    • You were supposed to say “blockbuster” 41 and not “wow”. Now you proved that I am no prophet 😉

      Glad that you enjoyed it 41.

      With Wisdom, busting the myths becomes quite easy.

      • Kamau41

        There were so many different responses I had in mind, but I truly enjoyed it indeed! With this particular piece, there is so much to absorb.

        “With Wisdom, busting the myths becomes quite easy.” Without a doubt, Chef!

        • In a few I would have to refer to it myself since I do not remember what I write that I have to look it up just as you do. At times I study my own material just as you do 41. Too much to absorb at once.

          • concerned american

            Indeed, there is too much to absorb at once. Every time you mention a “test”, I think to myself that I probably wouldn’t pass it. 🙂 Soooo much to absorb.

            Then I think, that’s ok, keep studying, keep studying, keep studying.

            The material on this site is truly incredible. This article in particular…absolutely mind blowing.

          • Grandmere

            We must strive to enter the narrow gate. And I believe it is narrower than we think.

  • DanteRivers

    On the subject of Creation verses evolution, I have been a Creation believer for around 40 years. Medical research,for example, is observational science that uses the scientific method to prove or produce something. The Pasteurization process is a proven scientific process that is proven every time I drink month old pasteurized milk and it is not sour. Evolution, on the other hand, historical science. It cannot be proven by the scientific method.

  • Owen Schumacher

    Thank you so much for this analysis, Walid! Humbly I’d like to add that this passage from Wisdom 2—while capturing the beliefs of the Sufi Muslim—also seems to be describing the beliefs of the secular materialist, who prizes reason (“science”) and thinks that consciousness terminates at death. To such a person, “reason” is a “spark” which originates from “the beating of our hearts,” meaning that thinking and consciousness comes from one’s materiality, one’s bodily makeup. (How often, by the way, does the atheist speak of “reason”? For instance, Thomas Paine, the Enlightenment-era deist, wrote The Age of Reason, and the anticlericalists of the French Revolution even built the Temple of Reason.)

    To a materialist, there is no spirit, and we are machines whose “reason” comes from “our hearts.” Thus when the heart dies, “reason” dies. It’s all matter and biology and no spirit. This is why Wisdom 2 emphasizes their belief in coming from chaos (“chance”) and exiting into nothingness: We “shall be as though we had never been” and “our end is without return.” This is nihilism, “voidism,” if you will, and a denial of the afterlife and the resurrection of the dead, which are fundamental tenets of the Nicene Creed. This captures perfectly the anti-afterlife, anti-spirit—and yes, anti-Christ—belief system of the Western man of “reason.” According to him, we enter “by chance” and exit as though “we had never been.” So it seems like Wisdom 2 is describing both eugenist Turks and the Western men of “reason,” who not coincidentally tend to be best friends.

    • When I see the name Schumacher, it means that I need to contemplate on what this man writes.

      I shall study what you wrote here.

    • I hear you brother Schumacher, you make sense, the verses you share reveals that atheistic side, but remember, the verses are like a combination burrito. If we take the verses to be ‘exclusively’ about atheists, what do we do then when it clearly reveals they kill us for proclaiming we are the ‘sons of God’?

      Atheists could care less if someone calls themselves ‘son of God’. This would mean that they are Muslim for only Muslims kill when one says “I am the son of God”.

      But it is a combination burrito for it lumps all of them together. It gets me thinking more about when some say ‘its gonna be a one world religion’ …

      There is some truth to this.

      But we know where the eye of the storm is, and it will generate an entire hurricane no doubt penetrating parts of Europe.

      • Owen Schumacher

        I agree, Walid. Looking at Wisdom 2, the demons of the West, calling on “reason” and evolution, seem to be teaming up with the demons of the East, calling on Sufism and eugenics, to persecute Christians. Both sides hate life and those who love it.

  • Ozibarb

    Wow, wow, wow. What an enlightening and accurate article. And to think that before I became Catholic, I didn’t even know there was a book of wisdom in the bible, except for the wisdom of Solomon. Protestants have missed and are missing so much by rejecting the books of the bible that they say were added by Catholics, but were in fact taken away by Luther. Thank you Walid for expounding on this prophetic chapter so eloquently and so clearly that even uneducated me can understand it.

    • God bless Ozibarb.

    • When did you convert Ozi?

      • Ozibarb

        I was received into the church on 19th December 2015. I was from a very anti catholic family when I was growing up, married a catholic, who was not interested in church at all, so I brought up all my 5 children in the baptist church. Only after reading GWOT and then finding this site did I come to my senses and began to study your articles and the early church fathers, and finally it all made sense. Now my husband attends church again too, after 35 years away from it.

        • “Now my husband attends church again too, after 35 years away from it.”

          That is wonderful.

          Now that you know the truth, life will never be the same for you Ozi. But you are much happier. Confession plus Eucharist … you prepare for happy death and eternal life.

          What about your five children Ozi. Have you reached out to them?

          • Ozibarb

            My youngest son is involved with the baptist church, and will not listen to anything I’ve got to say about the church. My other children don’t go anywhere, with the attitude “the Catholic Church is full of pedophiles”.
            Australia has had media cover saturation with trials and jailing of such priests. So I say what I can when I can to try to get them to think rationally, and pray a lot for them.

          • Ozibarb

            Actually it was over 40 years away from the church,so that’s a miracle. we were married in a registry office way back then, but we were married again by the priest in the church at the same time I was welcomed in. A wonderful day, even though no children were in attendance.

          • Grandmere

            Wow! What a special day for you both. Thank you for telling us this. God is good, all the time. And all the time, God is good!

        • Julie LaBrecque

          Wow – thanks be to God!!!

  • Indian Christian Crusader
    • racarrera

      This should be very interesting…

      • I’m still waiting on the report from…er…that place in the Balkans…

        • racarrera

          What’s going on is this: the Macedonian government has been at a standstill because the left ‘won’ the current elections but a government hasn’t been agreed to yet. Because the leftist leader decided to partner up with the Albanian minority, who are becoming more and more extreme in their wanting to be part of a Greater Albania. So, supporters of the right decided to storm parliament and they roughed up the SDS (leftist) leader and a few other people. The place is teetering on civil war. The last time there was a war was 2001, and thankfully, it was brief. I witnessed it firsthand. This time, I expect things to be more violent. We can thank elements of the US government, NATO, and both Turkey and Albania for their role in this mess.

          • What a perfect excuse for NATO to lean on Turkey to lead effort to mediate in peace, no?

          • racarrera

            It’s an excellent strategic point to hold, unfortunately for my Macedonian friends.

          • There has to be a reason why the Balkans is strategic. Looking at the map, if Turkey was to ever gain a foothold there, the local Muslim jihad groups would be able to immediately pledge allegiance to the coming caliphate, it practically puts the new Ottoman right on the Vatican’s back side, and simultaneously threatens Russia’s southern front.

            This would be the pretext needed for Germany to urge the European nations to contribute to the defense of “western civilization” and who would strenuously object to this except the Vicar of Rome?

            What a CF.

          • racarrera

            I’ll second that. But remember, this is a crossroads, and these places tend to be bloody anyway. The price of pluralism in places like Bosnia and Albania will be paid in an ugly way soon enough.

            Germany helped cause the Yugoslav debacles of the 1990s. That’s what they want – to destabilize the region.

          • Key word, “crossroads.” That is excellent.

          • Grandmere

            We need to keep an eye on this in the tank.

          • DLV has been for us.

          • Kamau41

            He has been very much on top of it.

          • Yeah, he has been.

          • Kamau41

            We definitely will be.

          • Kamau41

            Thanks for the inside scoop and your insights on what is happening there.

          • racarrera

            Always glad to be of service, my friend.

  • Speaking of the Ministerial priesthood…

    St. Ignatius said:

    See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God.. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by a bishop, or by one whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. Chapter VIII, Epistle to the Smyrnaeans

    The greatest problem today among evangelicals is the false notion God did away with the priesthood since in the Epistle to the Hebrews, it mentioned Christ as the High Priest, however, that did not cancel the priesthood, for as St. Peter writes, “But you are a chosen generation, a kingly priesthood, a holy nation, a purchased people: that you may declare his virtues, who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light,” (1 Peter 2:9), which is the continual confirmation and fulfillment of God’s words to the people of Israel through Moses, “And you shall be to me a priestly kingdom, and a holy nation. Those are the words thou shalt speak to the children of Israel,” (Exodus 19:6).

    Therefore, the New Covenant, signified by Christ’s Institution of the Eucharist (aka the Last Supper), canceled the animal sacrifice since as the Epistle of Hebrews stated, the high priest had to first offer an unblemished animal for himself and his family before being able to offer the sins of the nation of Israel, year after year, but Christ, by His one perfect act of obedience, taking upon the role of the scapegoat, being led by hands outside the walls of Jerusalem to die in accordance to the Laws of Moses, and the unblemished Lamb of God, fulfilled forever the requirements of the animal sacrifice. It is of that which St. Paul spoke in the Colossians Epistle that God took the handwritten requirements of the law, contrary and against us, out of the way and nailed it to the Cross.

    Those who are adamantly opposed to the Real Presence of the Christ in the Sacraments of the Eucharist, claiming it to be a mere symbol, or just unimportant, let they be anathema.

    Those who are adamantly opposed to the continual Priesthood among the Apostolic Church, claiming there is no need for the Priesthood, let they remain confounded in their ignorance.

    • Julie LaBrecque

      What do the deniers do with Romans 15:16, in which St Paul specifically states that he performs the PRIESTLY service, the liturgy?

      • infowolf1

        actually it says he is minister by missionary work and makes to God the offering of those gentiles he has converted. the same could be done by anyone. But more clearly the Peter statement does not make all equal priests, because as noted the same sort of statement is made in Exodus, where there were gradations of priesthood. In Orthodoxy it was explained that indeed all are priests, but the laity is the lowest level priest who make sacrifies of worship, praise, thanksgiving and of course burn candles (anc candles and incense at home) and that with Jesus the High Priest in heaven, the next level down priesthood enters the Holy of Holies which didn’t used to be done, and the laity are in the section that only the lesser priests were in in the Temple, so its all ratcheted up a notch as I interpreted it and the priest agreed. The IDEA THAT PRIESTS HAVE A CLOSER AND SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD AND MORE KNOWLEDGE AND ARE A HIGHER LEVEL CLOSER TO DIVINE ETC. is not part of any teaching I ran into as official, but a notion many have.

        • Julie LaBrecque

          No it doesn’t, wolf. Quit trying to change what it says ,,- you are doing what Luther did-

          • Grandmere

            He doesn’t want to yield to apostolic succession. All the other stuff he spouts stems from that. Sending you a little oil for your skillet, I remain your loving sister. Though we be but two, we swing for the fences.

  • George

    Thomas in the Bible may reveal THE ANTICHRIST!

    Deios, Lawrence. That the Pope is that Antichrist: and An answer to the objections of sectaries, which condemn this Church of England Two notably learned and profitable treatises or sermons upon the 19 Verse of the 19 Chapter of the Revelation: the first whereof was preached at Paules Crosse in Easter terme last, the other purposed also to have been there preached (1590)

  • Christian,

    Welcome on my ship. Its nice to see a remnant who understand.

    Prepare for Battle Speed.

  • Monarchy is Best Archy

    Don’t forget about the genocide of Irish Catholics orchestrated by the puritan Oliver Cromwell.

    • You’re right Monarchy.

    • Grandmere

      He did a lot of destruction on the English churches as well. He was an iconoclast and a would be dictator.

  • Paul

    “the Mass is a sacrifice” — Even Mr. Luther did not object to it. I am not convinced that the problem is that simple. I think taken at face value you can get most Protestants to say amen to the wording of the Mass liturgy!
    There are many ways problems can start… One would be as the priest starts preaching during the mass (even though there is evidence the Levitical priests did this in the book of Leviticus)… and he (priests) does not have the patience of Mr. Walid Shoebat for a Q & A…

    • Julie LaBrecque

      “The simple fact that numerous heretics, such as Wyclif and Luther, repudiated the Mass as “idolatry”, while retaining the Sacrament of the true Body and Blood of Christ, proves that the Sacrament of the Eucharist is something essentially different from the Sacrifice of the Mass.”
      From Catholic Answers

      • infowolf1

        the Sacrifice is not redone as in killing Jesus over and over but re – presented the SAME sacrifice also it can be said that the sacrifice initially is of the bread and wine presented to God Who returns it to us as the Body and Blood of Christ. It is called the unbloody sacrifice in some writings, probably referring to the unconsecrated phase of the bread and wine. I have read or heard in a video once in a while the idea that it is a repeated sacrifice of Jesus but this notion that He is killed again on the altar is precisely what protestants protest against, and is not official RC or Orthodox teaching though some few priests might think this. the priest as individual brings baggage from his family and cultural background into the priesthood if its not sought out and corrected, incl. crazy ideas from ignorant villages where religious instruction consists of how to cross yourself etc. that’s it.

        • Julie LaBrecque

          ◄ Isaiah 56:7 ►
          Even them (eunuchs) will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted on my altar; for my house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

  • I’ll stand next to you in battle.

    • Filip

      I’ll die to the side of any Catholic & Orthodox for Christ.. happily.

      • From your lips to God’s ears.

      • Kamau41

        Amen to the Filip.

  • Grandmere

    Don’t feel bad Dante. I grew up in a non denominational church in the fifties/sixties. It was the only “Bible” Church in the whole city back then. It was also a “preacher cult” that owned my parents, lock, stock and barrel. By the time I was twelve I knew something was very wrong. After I went off to college, got married and had some say so about my life, I bounced around in several Baptist churches. I will never forget the first time I set foot in an Anglican church. My husband was very hesitant to follow me, but I could not go back. That is why your link to that song got my tears flowing. I had been there too.

    • So if Wisdom lit your soul at age 12, by now you must be the wisest one in this ship.

      Tell you what, you can steer this ship when I take my naps 😉

    • Kamau41

      What an incredible journey Grand. Now we know why your wisdom and insights is so immense.

      • Grandmere

        Kamau, this is a mind trip. When I was in that “church”, they had “communion” every Sunday. After I got away into main stream Protestantism, I missed it. God uses everything going on in our lives, in a mysterious way, to bring us to a knowledge of the truth.

        • Kamau41

          “God uses everything going on in our lives, in a mysterious way, to bring us to a knowledge of the truth.” He indeed does Grand!

  • Taurnil Oronar

    Welpers. I am not above to acknowledge my ignorance. Till now had not heard of this Book of Wisdom and had to look it up. Once again Walid you have given me a giant sized falafel and this one will take a while for me to munch on.

    • “Walid you have given me a giant sized falafel and this one will take a while for me to munch on.”

      Well, as I said before, come to me all you labor and are heavy laden and I will give you homework 😉

      The one to give you rest will be coming shortly 😉

      • Grandmere

        Truer words were never spoken.

      • 41 and I are more than happy to keep rowing. We have souls to save, storms to ride through, and battles yet to fight.

  • Methusalem

    A very fascinating read! Thanks Walid! I would be glad to hear your thoughts on Georges Ivanovich Gurdjieff in the context of Sufism.

    • Thanks Methusalem.

      As far as “Georges Ivanovich Gurdjieff” all that dung about possessing state of hypnotism and transcend to a higher state of consciousness is simply the dung of Sufism where people chase after a seed but all they find is a glorified witch.

  • Interesting observation. The damned will always reverse everything where hell is their heaven and our heaven is their hell.

    Satan has everything in reverse.

    • Richard Dalessandro

      It is interesting. Wish I could remember the man’s name who said this was what he believed. He even showed how the Bible talked about the layers of the earth and how the layers related to Abraham’s Bosom, the gulf between that and hell then finally the abyss in the center. Apparently the center of a sphere in calculus or geometry is called the abyss. It will be truly a sad day for the folks that are sun worshipers if the sun is the lake of fire and it was in front of them the whole time.

      • “Wish I could remember the man’s name who said this was what he believed.”

        I remember. His name is Richard Dalessandro. He was the one who told me about it.

        • Richard Dalessandro

          There is alot of iron sharpening iron on this site. Great stuff.

          • This means that you will stay for a while and break bread with us? Wonderful.

          • Richard Dalessandro

            I will love to. First Im going to break some pita bread with my wife at this cafe.

          • Grandmere

            Come aboard, Richard. Prepare to sweat!

    • Richard Dalessandro

      Very true.

  • “this is why Satan attacks priests above all others ”

    Excellent point. Today our priest gave the sermon on what constitutes a good shepherd and how hirelings enter the flock.

    • Today it is Good Shepherd Sunday and the priest gave an overview of the Anglican Catholic Church.

  • AnthonyM

    The article has provided much information to ponder and contemplate. And such a surprise!

  • Dick

    Buckle your britches boys & girls. Most folks aren’t prepared for the truth. Yes, Christendom will need a militant church on earth & an triumphant church in heaven to win the day. Edrogan may be calling on demonic spirits (Nippon, Ottomism, Drawism etc..) to heal his head wound an begin his liquidation of the church with no avail. Manning my oar and waiting for battle speed.
    Amen.

  • Jeff Benton
  • Flame blue

    I have not read all the article yet, but want to comment on points of interest. “It’s the wicked who say let us put flowers in our hair and torment the righteous because they say God is their Father, let’s see if he will save them”. Definitely atheists, not those who are religious, yet there were those during Jesus crucifixion who said ” let’s see if his Father will save him” and they shouted out those remarks. The ancient Romans drunk fine wine and lived for what pleased them and they likely corrupted many Jews to do likewise. Yet, l do agree that people of these times are now behaving in the same way. So, yes, history repeats. I will read the rest of the article and look for a Sufi muslim link yet so far Sufi muslims as l understand it think that they believe in God, but of course, their god is not God!

    An interesting scripture for a repeat of history! We overlook that scripture and its good to look at it again!

  • “does this concern you in the scheme of things?? http://www.independent.co.u…”

    What concerns me more is not the Pope, but why people focus so much on talking about the Pope more than anything else. Imagine if you were in King David’s and Solomon’s era, you probably be commenting daily “does Solomon sleeping with a thousand concubines not concern you Walid Bin Yehuda”?

    In fact, you bringing up the Pope is what is more concerning. For it shows how much you lack wisdom and faith. I shall wait for Nathan the Prophet to reprimand the King and God will deal with Solomon’s errors in due time where he will end up writing Wisdom.

    Yet did you ask anything about Wisdom?

    No, of course not, for that is not your concern at all.

    When it comes to the Pope, I hardly pay attention to much of what the media says or what you say about him.

    However, if we take the possibility that the Pope adapted Evolution, and converted the Vatican to a whore house and then had a gay fest orgy at the Vatican and then let loose all sorts of pedophiles to molest nuns … and then he invited Hindus, Muslims and Sufis to also burn incense at the Altar while all this is going on …Whatever the Pope does … convert to Islam, go to Haj at Mecca ….

    Did I give enough examples here?

    All this will not phase me for it will only confirm my faith, not destroy it.

    Why?

    Easily.

    For scripture clearly states that the TRUE church will fall away and that which is not part of the Altar is left without the Temple of God for they are not part of it.

    The faster the Pope falls, the faster we see Jesus.

    Paul already warned us about this.

    But he also warned about somethings else. The whole theme of 2 Thessalonians II is Paul forewarning that if anyone prematurely announces the Antichrist are “deceivers”:

    “Let no man deceive you by any means: for unless there come a revolt first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition”

    “Let no man deceive you” and “by any means”. Paul warns that Antichrist will not come UNTIL “there come a revolt first”. Yet Luther and Calvin prematurely announced the Pope in Rome as Antichrist. This alone debunks all ‘reformers’ as ‘deceivers’.

    St. Bellarmine’s refutation to all who declared ‘apostasy’ and ‘Antichrist’ prematurely was even specifically addressed by Paul who prophetically foreknew that such phenomenon would arise. To St. Bellarmine, Second Thessalonians 2 is key to solving all controversies dealing with heresies and is why its etched the way its etched in Scripture. Most end-times enthusiasts today skim through the chapter to argue rapture theories. But the chapter itself is all prophetic, as every single verse in scripture is “God breathed” (prophetic) where Paul calls such claimers who prematurely pronounce the Antichrist as “deceivers”:

    “Let no man deceive you by any means: for unless there come a revolt first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition”

    “Let no man deceive you by any means” means just what it says, that there will arise genius sophists, who will deceive many, proclaiming who the man of sin is, and that the Day of the Lord is at hand. But Paul warns that we ought not be alarmed until the apostasy “revolt comes first” and that whoever misses pointing the Antichrist are themselves deceivers. Paul warns of sophists “Let no man deceive you” and “by any means” these spin artists proclaim who the Antichrist is; Antichrist will not come UNTIL “there come a revolt first“. This renders these sophists as deceivers of the camp of the workers of iniquity whom we see so many today. Ever wonder why in Matthew 7:23 such prophecy deceivers tell Jesus: “Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name” and Christ says “I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!”

    In fact, these heretics who come to Jesus were part of that very “revolt” which is the great falling away or the great apostasy of the church. The context is so clear “revolt” must come first “and” with it, is the man of sin revealed, both together “and the man of sin be revealed” making the Antichrist the causer of this revolt.

    • Julie LaBrecque

      I Can’t help but interject here – I’ve lately been immersed in books written by Fr Don Calloway (what an amazing conversion story he has)- and in one of the books, he relates being involved in a conversation in which someone said they worried that we might get a Pope that believed in gay marriage, etc – Fr Calloway interrupted and said ‘ hurry up and get a Pope such as that installed – I can hardly wait – because I want you to see how God will pour out His spirit upon that man and prevent him from teaching such a thing. ‘ (paraphrased severely, but you get the point.)

      • Sure. But even if it happened and God did not interject, it will only prove that the Catholic Church is the one for no one can prove that previous popes supported ‘gay marriage’.

        In other words, the only faith that remained intact is this faith and only just before an Antichrist comes a falling away will happen.

        What amazes me the most is that no matter what we write here, these people will always bring up “the Pope”.

        In other words, anti-Catholics, like devils, will always attack the Pope as if true Catholics are not aware that a Pope can fall.

        Even St. Hippolytus (3rd century) warned: “And the churches too will wail with a mighty lamentation, because neither oblation nor incense is attended to, nor a service acceptable to God; but the sanctuaries of the churches will become like a garden-watcher’s hut, and the Holy Body and Blood of Christ will not be shown in those days. The public service of God shall be extinguished.”

        St. Nicholas von Flue (15th century): “The Church will be punished because the majority of Her members, high and low, will become so perverted. The Church will sink deeper and deeper until She will at last seem to be extinguished, and the succession of Peter and the other Apostles to have expired. But, after this, She will be victoriously exalted in the sight of all doubters.”

        St. John Bosco (19th century): “There will be an Ecumenical Council in the next century, after which there will be chaos in the Church.” [1862 Prediction]

        Venerable Anna Katarina Emmerick born in Germany in 1774 spoke of a fallen pope.

        But the case these people present goes like this “the Constitution must be bogus because Americans elected Barack Hussein Obama.”

        This makes us ask a Jesus style question: is the Constitution bogus because Americans elected Obama?

        The two are separate issues.

        But if we begin to taunt them on electing Barack Hussein Obama telling them that the Constitution must be bogus, these will be the first to defend the constitution.

        Yet when it comes to all the glory of the Church, they would not defend it, they will continue to condemn it because they are not of it.

        • “What amazes me the most is that no matter what we write here, these people will always bring up “the Pope”.”

          I find it be incredibly annoying as well. If the article does not mention it, they take it upon themselves to say so.

          If the article critique the Pope, they aren’t found.

          If the article speaks favorable of the Pope, they come out in droves.

          The quotes by the other saints is fascinating, but the one St. Augustine fascinated me because he must had in mind the prediction of a lamentation where the priests will call for a sacred assembly and put on sackcloth and ashes from Joel.

          “This makes us ask a Jesus style question: is the Constitution bogus because Americans elected Obama?”

          No it does not.

          • Richard Dalessandro

            It’s so simple. These people don’t want a Head of Authority in any facet of their life. Ask these people what form of government is best and they will scream democracy while also saying Jesus will come back any second and we all will do as we please. Yet they can’t seem to fathom Jesus is coming back as The King and to rule with a rod of iron. It seems the devil did a brilliant job of creating mass hysteria cough (democracy) of God while making kingship of the devil.

            We went from kings,to republic’s then to democracy (and once the masses have their fill of any and every slavery sorry freedom they can imagine) they will scream for their messiah cough tyrant as long as they can keep on degrading themselves….Then all will be made right when The King of Kings shows up.

          • That is absolutely brilliant, man.

            Glad to have another rower!

          • Richard Dalessandro

            I’ll do my best to keep up with the drum beat

          • Kamau41

            You are off to a great start that’s for sure.

          • Kamau41

            He’s another great addition of rowers on board.

          • Kamau41

            “It’s so simple. These people don’t want a Head of Authority in any facet of their life.” You have totally nailed it. That’s the very crux of the whole issue. Excellent comment Richard.

          • What is even more amazing Trevor is that the Catholic Church has warned about the coming great falling away more than anyone else. It is not as if it did not warn for centuries saying ‘hey the time is coming when we will fall away’.

            But the devil is clever, he uses this to claim this ‘harlot of Babylon’. But he is not as clever as Daniel whom we constantly study Trevor.

            This is why we will never get rammed.

            Row well.

            Battle Speed.

          • Very true. The writings of the Church Fathers consistently warned of the Church “put to flight” from time immemorial.

        • Vinny Zee

          I cannot convince any Protestant to believe the Catholic Church is kept from error. This is because so many of them, since the reformation, have believed the false notion that the Catholic Church fell into and remains in error. Their thinking leads to so many other errors that expose their heresy, but they refuse to listen. However, it is the same argument with them over and over. When Pope Francis granted Priests the ability to forgive abortion recently, I had a snarky Protestant tell a loved one, “tell Vinny the Pope changed the Catholic religion again today” and then they went on in the rest of their heresy.

          Anyway, after that one I determined I was done trying to convince Protestants about the Catholic Church. They have no interest in being Catholic. Worse, they know nothing about Catholicism. I long ago decided I would stop letting Protestants define the Catholic religion and explaining to Catholics “what they really believe.”

          They have no understanding of authority, the dogma of infallibility, and the list goes on. They have no problem claiming the bible is infallible, or the New Testament writers were kept from error though the bible makes no such claim. How can the church be infallible when it wrote the New Testament but later become fallible? They lack all understanding of church history and Holy Tradition. The bible is clear on tradition, this they miss. Thanks for keeping the light shining.

          • Kamau41

            I hear you Vinny. You are definitely not alone.

          • Vinny Zee

            I did read Josh’s article and what he had to say about it on his website. It is a very interesting conversion. On another note, I read an article today Hank Hanegraaff has been kicked off the airwaves. Apparently, according to Protestants, he is no longer the bible answer man. Some I’m sure would even say now he doesn’t know the bible at all. What a shame. Protestants in the west will stop at nothing to attack at Catholics.

          • susan

            They kicked Hank off? :/

          • Vinny Zee

            From the article I read. I never listened to his program, so I don’t know if he is on some other medium. But my understanding was that he is off of the Bible Answer Man program.

            http://www.christianpost.com/news/bible-answer-man-booted-from-bott-radio-network-after-hank-hanegraaff-joins-orthodox-church-180877/

          • susan

            Vinny look at this article! This is scary stuff. I hate to use up space for something as foul as this man’s judgements. I’ll come back and delete it. Just look at his twisted distortion of scripture.

            THE PEN
            Why We Can’t Assume Hank Hanegraaff is Saved and We Should Evangelize Him
            BY JEFF MAPLES · APRIL 14, 2017

            In the recent controversy surrounding Hank Hanegraaff, the ‘Bible Answer Man,’ and his conversion to Greek Orthodoxy, I received numerous, literally hundreds upon hundreds, of emails and messages, asking me to retract my claim that Hanegraaff has departed the Christian faith and telling me that I went too far by saying this. Pulpit & Pen has been accused of being “always cantankerous” to “using a bazooka” against Hanegraaff and “judging his heart.”

            The issue here, however, is not of judging Hanegraaff’s heart. This is not something we, as Christians, can do. We can, however, judge them by their fruits (Matthew 7:16-20), and this is what we have done.

            Therefore, having this ministry by the mercy of God, we do not lose heart. But we have renounced disgraceful, underhanded ways. We refuse to practice cunning or to tamper with God’s word, but by the open statement of the truth we would commend ourselves to everyone’s conscience in the sight of God. –2 Corinthians 4:1-2

            Hank Hanegraaff has implicitly denied the essential doctrines of Christianity–namely the doctrine of salvation by grace alone through faith alone. While he claims that “nothing has changed” in his beliefs that have been “codified” in his numerous books, we must understand that denominational and church affiliation is an expression of one’s faith. In other words, he may give lip service to biblical doctrines, but in practice, he’s now denying them.

            They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. — John 2:19

            The Greek Orthodox Church does not trust solely in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross for salvation. According to the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America, salvation includes faith in Jesus Christ but also requires meritorious works. It states “the reception of the gift of salvation is not a one-time event but a life-time process.” With a nearly identical understanding of salvation as the Roman Catholic Chuch, the Greek Orthodox Church teaches that our good works, even though empowered by the Holy Spirit to do so, are a means of grace, as opposed to the evangelical understanding that our works are a result of grace.

            This fine line may seem insignificant, but in reality, it is the difference between the true gospel and “another gospel.” (Galatians 1:8) It is the difference between trusting in Christ and trusting in something other than Christ. It is the difference between true conversion and false conversion.

            Further, Hanegraaff confirms his affirmation of this other gospel not only by his chrismation into the church that teaches it but in his own words he states that he believes in salvation by “grace alone through an active faith.” An “active faith” is a “faith” that consists of meritorious works as a means of grace.

            In the Orthodox Church, repentance is mediated through a priest. The belief is that, according to the Mysterion of Repentance, while only God can forgive sins, it is necessary for a priest to appeal to God and “invoke” the remission of sins from him.

            The Orthodox Church also rejects the sole infallible authority of God’s word and accepts on equal authority the following doctrines and commandments of men: The first seven ecumenical councils and later church councils, the writings of many “church fathers” throughout the first few centuries A.D., the Church’s canon law, and liturgy. Scripture teaches us to reject these man-made traditions as authority.

            ‘These people honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me. They worship Me in vain; they teach as doctrine the precepts of men.’ –Matthew 15:8-9

            The Orthodox Church practices idolatry through iconography. The Orthodox Church claims that by venerating saints through icons, they are venerating God whose light “shines through their halos.”

            When we praise, worship, and magnify Jesus Christ, we are offering praise, worship, and honor to the all-holy Trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Similarly, when we pay honor to the image of the Son of God in icons, we are paying honor to the prototype—to Jesus Christ himself. And when we honor the Saints, we are honoring the God whose uncreated light shines through their halos. The uncreated light of the shimmering gold leaf as it reflects the light of our oil lamps and candles—symbolic of the faithfulness of God shining forth in their saintly and Christ-like lives (which is, incidentally, why Orthodox Christians pay such close attention to the lives of the Saints).

            This is pure idolatry and this practice is completely foreign to Scripture. It is true that Jesus is “the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature.” (Hebrews 1:3) However, we do not find this image in saints, but in the Word of God.

            In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God…And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. –John 1:1-2,14

            Today, Christ does not dwell among us in bodily form but is seated at the right hand of the Father (Ephesians 1:20). How do we see Christ? In His eternal word. The Scriptures are His self-revelation and it is the Scriptures alone that we find Him, the Scriptures alone that He converts us, and the Scriptures alone that invoke us to worship Him (Romans 10:17).

            Christ cannot and will not be found in the Greek Orthodox traditions, and while it is acknowledged that some can be saved in the Orthodox religion, it would be in spite of their tradition, not because of it. Anyone who professes a belief in the false traditions of men found in the Orthodox religion shall be treated as one who does not understand the gospel and does not know Jesus Christ as savior. His beliefs are expressed not only through his words, but his practice–namely his church. His church is a false church. They teach a false gospel and worship a false Jesus. We must evangelize them.

            This is not a judgment of one’s heart, but a judgment of their fruit.

            But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. –Galatians 1:8

            Pathetic pandering to the uneducated. :(.

          • Grandmere

            We could see this coming from a mile away and I’m sure Hank did too, God bless him.

          • susan

            These faith “alone” idiots would remove Jesus from the equation if they could get away with it.

          • Vinny Zee

            Don’t delete your post. Leave it up for others to learn from. If one wants to see who the real “judges” are, they can judge for themselves on this topic. This article shows exactly what Protestants think of others who don’t think like them. Thanks for the post. Again, don’t delete it.

          • Grandmere

            If they are on the ball, Ancient Faith radio will pick him up. That would be just awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Vinny Zee

      An article within an article. I love it.

  • Flame blue

    ” when we slaughter a creature, we slaughter God”. That’s blasphemy, we cannot slaughter God, ever, and He gives us animals for food. Yes, evil people disguised as caring and compassionate are giving ” New Scriptures” but definitely not from our God. Interestingly, these “compassionate people” don’t much care about people. Some even hate those who eat animals, and they say ” you eat dead animals” yes, they have said that to me and ” you eat the corpses of animals”. I have replied ” well, l am not going to eat living animals”. Nutters they are, plus they claim that the Bible says ” we must be vegetarians”. Yes. I have dealt with those kind. Next part of the article.

    • Flame,

      Its the other half of the article that u need to comment about, but you only read the first half. How will you pass the quiz?

      • Flame blue

        I am commenting as l read your article step by step. It’s a large article. I will be up all night reading it, and when the sun breaks l will still have half of it to read, and l am not a slow reader!

        • Good. Then take your time Flame. Hope you prepared for the Quiz. failing scores will be thrown overboard the ship 😉

          • Flame blue

            Man your heartless throwing people off your ship to drown for not making the grade. I am supposed to be on holiday, and l am up half the night reading your article. That’s just 4 hours sleep l have had! I already feel wrecked!

  • 1Bobby8

    Wow! I will now read Wisdom 2 with new eyes. A masterpiece of an article.

    • “I will now read Wisdom 2 with new eyes.”

      Why replace your eyes 1Bobby8? Just buy glasses from the dollar store like I do. Its a lot cheaper.

      • 1Bobby8

        Too late, you already changed my eyes.

        • It must have been someone else 1Bobby8. I tried spitting on my hands using little dirt and all I got was mud.

          Tell me 1Bobby8, Who is this one who made you a pair of new eyes that I may worship Him?

  • Dick

    The beast is already wearing the mark (bismillia) Badge of servitude. Striving to make all mankind slaves. Projected outcome of a precession nuclear war head on 3 Simultaneous targets. Pyanogun, Pakistan & Tehran. Trump is working on his poker hand. Elam gets neverous & nukes the Kalbal. Christdom misses the Father Land, Nippon & the seat of Satan. All hell breaks lose on earth. The lord Jesus Chirst sprinkles blood in Islamic countries to save the church from extermination and sends the triumphant church to end the persecution. Few see the narrrow gate and accept communion. The blessed mother Mary stomps the dragon like a serpent cwarling on the ground. And only the wise go to heaven. Still rowing my boat.
    Amem.

    • Your comment makes a great headline. But hold on your horses, still a long time left.

    • Kamau41

      Remain patient, just continue to row steadily with us and besure you don’t get burned out when the middle of the storm arrives.

      • The most they last on this ship is 3 years 41. After that we have to get a new circulation of new slaves.

        • Kamau41

          That sounds about right. When the new bunch arrives, together we will be ready to reel them on board.

      • Dick

        Still working my way thru RICA class. Can’t wait until I take commiuon. I have a lot to learn.
        Amen

        • “I have a lot to learn.”

          Now that is Wisdom.

          • Grandmere

            We may have another rower soon. When the time comes, with God’s help, we will achieve ramming speed with fresh rowers on deck.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Good to hear that – we need some fresh legs here – would you ask the chef is there is an ‘Amen Corner’ that us older hands could retire to – if not, can we serve out our time on the observation deck??

          • Grandmere

            Are you kidding me? I’m not gonna ask him because I know what he is gonna say. “Serve until you drop dead on the spot. We promise you a Christian burial. Then it’s bring on the next slave!” And he’s right. So we chain ourselves together. If we have to die, we might as well go over board shouting Alleluia!

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Now that’s a day of sunshine — NOT!!! Maybe a sabbaticsl then?

          • Grandmere

            It’s all up to the King of the Universe. Either way, for you and me, it’s Alleluia.

          • You serve until you drop dead on the spot. We promise you a Christian burial

          • Grandmere

            I just knew it!

          • You can even prove you were prophetic since you posted your comment 12 hours ago and mine was 2 hours later.

          • Yes we will, and whatever comes out of that comment box, we stand better chance of survival if we stick together.

          • Grandmere

            And our battle cry is Alleluia.

          • Kamau41

            I can already tell he is another good one that is coming on board this ship. The more we can get, the better for us in the long run.

          • Doc

            Well said. Wisdom is knowing that I don’t know enough even to ask the right questions.

        • Kamau41

          Truly love it.

  • Kamau41

    Very interesting insight. Never thought about that before, but it makes so much sense.

  • Flame blue

    ” The “divine spark” is the idea that each human being contains within himself a portion of God’s “divine spark” which attempts to explain the purpose of life is to enable the Divine Spark to be released from its captivity in matter and reestablish its connection with or simply return to God (“the Sun”) who is perceived as being the source of the Divine Light.”

    That seems like something Indian, New Ageism but it’s old paganism. It’s Zoroastrianism, maybe. It’s weird!

    I can see that Sufi dance where they put the iman in the centre, and they dance around him, blizzare, paganism, ritualistic. It represents the sun in the centre, and they dance trance like, energetic, robotic.

  • Flame blue

    “The Sufi Muslim Sheikh Ragip, provides lucid descriptions of essential Sufi practices and teachings:

    “The secret of secrets is the divine spark within each of us … It is to get in touch with that divine spark that God has placed within each human being. In the Koran it says that God breathed from the divine soul into Adam; another way of translating that would be that God placed a divine spark into every human being. And that divine spark is the secret of secrets. My master put it this way: That spark in us could set the whole universe on fire. Its greater than the universe itself because its a spark of what is infinite. And its within every one of us. Who we are is far more than who we think we are. “To practice rememberence,” you’ve said, “is to unveil the knowledge and power and beauty of this spark of God within us.“

    Well all l can think is its not like what l read in the Qur’an and it seems an improvement. However, I will stick to The Holy Spirit, he’s got flames too and doves, and fire for those who reject Him, Jesus, and their smoke will go up in the presence of the saints forever.

    • “I will stick to The Holy Spirit, he’s got flames too …”

      You missed it again Flame. Some think they have the “Holy Spirit” are the same as the ones who think they have a “Divine Spark”.

      • Flame blue

        You will have to wait patiently until l get through your long article, and l won’t miss it! There’s no hope for you to get to Heaven without the Holy Spirit. It’s God telling you that Walid, through me His flame! He’s not a spark but he’s bright! No one is going into Heaven without the Holy Spirit!

  • Kkdgrace

    Wow…another Home Run. Even more so. Doesn’t it seem, too, that our world is gearing up to accept these demonic philosophies in full force? With socialized medicine in Europe and the initiation of Obamacare here in America, we are becoming more and more accustomed to the idea of looking at health care from an economic standpoint…more willing to consider other human beings as being nothing more than possible drains on our “collective resources”- and we weigh the sanctity of life in terms of potential economic cost. How easily some seem to have adjusted to the idea that some lives are worth more than others, in terms of the care we either give or choose to withhold.

    Too, the way in which the acceptance of abortion as being common, as being a “right”, has set in so very deeply in far too many minds….so much so that it doesn’t seem to break hearts that this abominable practice is all too often used for population control, for birth control, for sex selection. We turn our heads at the barbarism of partial birth abortion- we hear about it but are not allowed to see media images or reports on the reality of this barbarism, nor on how widespread the use may be. How casual and negligent we’ve become when it comes to the preservation of life! Just look at how casually abortion is spoken of- and how nonchalant so many seem to be about the use of abortion for the harvesting of human organs. And minds and hearts continue to be seared.

    Look at how the envelope is continually being pushed when it comes to the discovery of new scientific abilities and with many of the discussions involving “ethics”- with talk of the manipulation of genetics to “create” a more “perfect” human being, with talk that “post- birth” abortion should be considered “ethical” and allowed well into the first year of life……and when it comes to the different ways science can “create” life, outside the body, in a tube or dish.

    It’s as if the world’s population is a herd, with constant and deliberate attempts made to prod and direct us towards a specific target or “place” in life. What other ways are we being directed towards this nightmare outcome you paint? What about all of the talk that Islam has been “hijacked” by radicals- that they are not practicing the “true” Islamic faith? Won’t that set us up to accept this more “peaceful” version? Only to have it revert once again into another cycle of bloodshed, as you mentioned.
    You suggested the need to study WWI- so strange as just today I looked for a documentary on the subject. I didn’t realize that the day Trump bombed Syria was the 100th anniversary of our decision to get involved as a Nation in that war.

    Look, too, at the increasing reluctance- by many- to willingly accept or live peacefully among those ascribing to different beliefs or ideologies. How rapidly violence has become an “acceptable”- even wide-spread- means to shut down or handle those holding different viewpoints. Additionally, it seems I have heard- and far too often of late- the suggestion that it is okay- and maybe necessary- to “terminate” those holding “politically incorrect” beliefs, or those who don’t agree with “accepted science”- such as climate change. Said all too casually on main stream news and opinion programs.

    When I was still a practicing Protestant, I was too often “stuck” -in terms of matters of faith- with the need to “figure out” how this or that concept or dogma “worked”. And that is at the heart of Protestantism, with all of the rationalism, the “systematic theologies”- that need to find a human or earthly understanding to explain the mysteries of God. I didn’t realize what a burden that was to carry…..or how stunting it is to faith and growth….but especially faith.
    You wrote “Wisdom advises not to attempt to unlock “the secrets of God”. Creation, the Resurrection, the Eucharist, the corporate relationship to saints (holy souls) … these are all “mystery” which no man can fathom and is how you will always find their folly for they focus on solving the mystery while they completely ignore that true faith is “the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen” (Hebrews 11:1).” How so very true!

    Thanks again for a truly excellent read.
    Time to check- and recheck- that oil lamp, maintaining assurance that it remains filled.
    God bless!

    • Kkdgrace,

      I recall once you were gone for a while to care for your elderly mom. Is that correct? Imagine how it would be had these eugenists controlled who lives and who dies. You would be hitting the mountain by now looking for a cave to hide your mom and yourself in. I wonder how it will be by the time we all get old and some half-baked university graduate would decide if we live or die … Euthanasia is coming.

      “When I was still a practicing Protestant, I was too often “stuck” -in terms of matters of faith- with the need to “figure out” how this or that concept or dogma “worked”. And that is at the heart of Protestantism, with all of the rationalism, the “systematic theologies”

      Good point. In fact the more cultic a group is the more they focus on unraveling mysteries. This is how you know them. A Muslim always asks us to unravel the Trinity.

      Christianity’s evidence is simple “show us the things to come” (Isaiah 41:22).

      If they can accurately predict the future then they are from God.

      • Kkdgrace

        Still caring for my Mom…and it gets harder as she continues to decline. But you are all too correct- if the eugenicists were in full control, she probably would have long been “terminated”- I mean, what value can such as these see in an elderly woman who has lost the ability to remember…..even those things of a short term nature? There would be no consideration of the life she has led, the love and sacrifice given over many, many years….nor would they consider her value as a creation of God, one who still pours forth love to others, from that well that still remains in her heart…… I can just imagine the trouble I would have, finding a cave or “hidey-hole” to live in, as well as trying to manage her care (as well as my own) under such circumstances. It is already pretty difficult as it is.
        It just seems so evident- to my eyes, anyway- that many conditions under which we will see a full blown fulfillment of this prophecy, are in already present and in place in this world (or having the “foundations” poured, at the least), if only in an “embryonic” stage. There has been a concerted and unceasing “push” to alter the viewpoints and beliefs of society, changing thoughts re what is or isn’t considered “acceptable”. There are many who are already thoroughly propagandized…..while others have become more or less desensitized to views that previously elicited an automatic recoil of disgust. Even “churched” individuals are not immune to the massive effort underway to both sway and desensitize- especially with our youth. More important than ever to maintain a state of alertness and to guard our hearts with all diligence.

  • Indian Christian Crusader
  • Steven

    I love your research and work, Walid, very eye-opening and inspiring.

    In fact, this has to be one of your best Sunday Specials yet.

  • infowolf1

    While most of these statements in the prophecy are consistent with the world view of there is no future all is soulless materialism etc. so eat drink and be merry because we will all die anyway and nothing matters sort of thinking in all ages, without any specific evolution or other notions, it does have a peculiar fit for the more recent eugenics related versions. however it doesn’t indicate that the soul goes back to the sun but is scattered and disintegrated by sunlight so that nothing is left at all and one ceases to exist.
    ghosts and so forth, their etheric subtle material bodies and manifestation efforts may be dissipated by sunlight, giving the false impression to those who can see things like this that they cease to exist, but they remain as pure (meaning not “pure” as in purity, but unmixed) spirit that generates or acquires etheric material again later. Overall, good analysis Walid.

  • What are you asking?

  • Thanks for confirming my point that a falling away proves Paul and proves Catholicism.

    May I ask why you did not address the biblical argument I presented which reveals that a falling away must come first just before Antichrist appears? Or all this should not matter. It should be discounted so that we can all focus on the Pope and if the Pope falls that the Catholic faith is now “false”?

    Or should I repeat myself all over again while everyone plays the same broken record about the Pope?

    • Grandmere

      He will miss the subtlety of your answer. For some, it takes an oar right to the forehead.

      • So few are balanced and I guess an oar will do. It seems that we are switching from the falafel stand to the ship since throwing them in the frying wok is out of the question.

        • Grandmere

          I, too, have noticed that. We put Tombstone, AZ on the map with the falafel stand. Now we sail to the Mediterranean.

  • Even St. Irenaeus warned against trying to interpret the mark of the beast and the identity of the Antichrist.

    http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103530.htm

  • Cuzick

    Truly a Block Blockbuster
    masterpiece of epic proportion . As I go back thru the article, the weight of the prophetic insight is undeniable. What more does our loving Heavenly Father need to reveal thru his humble Prophet to confirm the time we are living in .

    ” So when observing the problems of our present day, and how they presage the rise of another bloody conflict, one realizes somewhere along the road of inquiry, that the First World War parallels our own coming Tribulation Period, and thus is a prerequisite for us to learn about it. ”

    Let us continue on the narrow path as the Lord stengthens and prepares his remnant for the days ahead.

    Thank you Mr. Shoebat for your relentless pursuit of truth and the love you show the brethren in sharing with us.
    May the presence of the Holy Spirit increase upon you and your family as we continue this journey.

  • Filip

    Amazing article. One can discern easily when God is speaking through someone. God has his ways always! and God, decided to bring to us a man inspired by the Holy Spirit.. all the way from Bethlehem! 🙂 Your insight into prophecy is amazing Mr.Shoebat. Thank you very much for your efforts. I will continue to read up on your articles daily. Both me and my wife are on board. Stand United in Christ! Just as Christ said, “Remain united to me and I will remain united to you!” “He who endures, has eternal life”
    Dogma of the Orthodox Church
    “The Eucharist – is the mystery of the most complete and most effective work of Jesus Christ in the Church and through it in the world. He is present in the Eucharist with His body taken from the Virgin Mary, crucified, resurrected, ascended to heaven and tending to the right hand of the Father, to share ourselves with all that was done in His Body. In the Eucharist, all our salvation is concentrated in order to bring us personally. The Eucharist, by joining us with Christ, makes us like Him, also imparting to us the state capable of sacrifice, the power of resurrection and eternal glory.The entire Tradition inherited by the Orthodox Church from the Primary Church states that the Lord is real in the Eucharist by transforming bread and wine into His Body and Blood. But she refrained from explaining how this transformation is made, and what is the relationship of the Body and Blood of the Lord with the faces of bread and wine that persist after the transformation. Everything is a mystery.”
    Not only are we just as Christ is once we parttake and believe, but we can also discern the devil and everywhere where his actions lay. He is powerless over the true followers of Christ.

    • Indeed brother Filip. What I found out is that discernment intensifies after consuming the Eucharist for I concluded these matters without even reading any ‘dogmas’ and just from reading scripture itself where later I found that scripture and dogma are quite compatible. Keep in mind, us who came out from Protestantism only had ‘scripture’.

      But one issue for certain, no one can conquer flesh, devil and sin without consuming the Bread of Life.

      • Ceirwyn

        I appear to be slightly behind you Walid: I also discovered the power and life in communion; It is waaay more than just something to remember Jesus by. This was while I was in a Baptist church (20 years ago) and got disatisfied with how rare communion was (among other things).

        Now I just moved to different town a couple of months ago, and am currently looking for a church. As it happens, the closest is an Anglican, which meets my personal requirement of communion weekly. Guess where I’ll be going to church Sunday?

        • Grandmere

          Congratulations. It made all the difference for me. There is a lot of upheaval going on right now. Keep to the orthodox teachings and join us in turning the tide.

          • Ceirwyn

            You know, I didn’t realize how many things I believed were the same as what orthodox catholics believe. It’s seems this may be what I’ve been wandering around seeking for several years now.

            Whatever God’s up to, I intend to be right there in the middle of it. Preferably with my brothers and sisters in Christ.

  • Ahhh, its “believer”. I couldn’t recognize you since you must have changed the photo to the face of Christ. Enjoyed reading your addition to our thoughts regarding Wisdom 2.

  • Well put Ecclesia. Well put.

  • Richard Dalessandro

    Well the new priest we have at our parish has let it been known that there has been infiltration into Rome and that the Pope has problems. I don’t know if anyone else catches how subtly he says it. Basically the message is no matter how far the head of the church falls we will still stay true and have The Body and Blood of Christ. I’ve slowly started going back and at my first confession he asked after I told him some things, why am I deciding to come back. I told him ecstalogy and how everything is pointing to the near fulfillment of prophecy. He smiled nodded and had a fire lite up in his eyes. That alone tells me there will be shepards that are being prepared to battle the wolves in sheep’s clothing. Hope this helps.

    • You have a good priest.

      • Richard Dalessandro

        Yes we do. He seems to know things are about to become very rough.

    • Стефан Евгений

      Mt there are a lot of Muslims Who are Jews.
      I can clam being a Jew race wise b/c my great Grandmother converted to Orthodoxy. But i’m very much Russian Orthodox.

      http://www.sharnoffsglobalviews.com/pashtuns-jewish-261/

    • Vinny Zee

      Well an old priest told it to me this way, “In Orthodoxy, it is not the Pope we fear, it is those around the Pope we fear.” The Curia, if I am not mistaken, is the oldest form of government in the world. Has their been infiltration into it? I think prophecy makes it pretty straight forward there would be. In any presidential administration, it is usually those around the President you have to keep your eye on. However, Pope Pius X strictly condemned modernism. Modernism, more than anything, is what has crept in. But we are all warned to avoid modernism, not just the priests, bishops or popes. We all need to be careful.

  • What is this? Our Daily Fletcher?

    What will we get on Tuesday?

    • Grandmere

      She’s like one of those Unicorn Frappicinos.

      • Kamau41

        LOL.

      • More like a happy meal missing the french fries

  • Ahhh the Daily Fletcher. At least you get to think that you are ‘witnessing’, right?

    • Julie LaBrecque

      ◄ Isaiah 56:7 ►
      Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted on my altar; for my house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
      Let these man-made-church acolytes refute Isaiah – their ‘church’ neither has eunuchs nor offers sacrifice – so-called ‘ Bible Christians’ aren’t Biblical after all.

  • Welcome on my ship CTyank. What would you like to learn about? Just ask.

    • My, my, we have so many who want to row with us.

      41 and I will keep throwing in the net. The Lord is blessing us with a harvest already!

      • The only problem is that we only have two fishes and two loaves of bread. It would take a hundred denarius to fee this whole crowd.

        Now what do we do?

        • Do as the disciples did, break them into pieces and distribute them. Let the Holy Spirit do the rest.

          Remember the words from The Didache:

          “As this broken bread, once dispersed over the hills, was brought together and became one loaf, so may thy Church be brought together from the ends of the earth into thy kingdom.” (Chapter 9).

          • You are beaming with Wisdom Trevor. Hope you include this on your next Sunday Special.

          • I thank you. I think we must continue studying Wisdom because it predicted martyrdom of Christians thousand of years before the Apocalypse was written down.

            And when I write the next Sunday Special, I shall include the words from “The Didache.”

  • Your other two comments today, you know, the Monday Fletcher, they were not as good as this comment. This one when read by others will confirm to them your true demonic intent, that is to attack the Holy Eucharist.

    You are doing the work of iniquity. You see Fletcher, the workers on Iniquity do not know that they are workers of iniquity. This is why its a surprise “Lord Lord we ….depart you workers of iniquity”.

    These thought or lets say psyched themselves up to believe they ‘know Jesus’ but they don’t and this is why its a shocker to them.

    • Grandmere

      She forgets.” His written word” – we don’t know what he wrote in the dirt. But whatever it was it shook a lot of men up.

      • Kamau41

        Indeed!!

    • Rick Abbott

      Where is the book of “Wisdom” in the King James Bible? I don’t reference such a book? What do you mean “Wisdom” How can Christians relate to this “book” you say?

      • “Where is the book of “Wisdom” in the King James Bible?”

        Where is King James in the Bible?

      • Try the 1611 KJV. The later version deleted the Book of Wisdom.

  • Fletcher,

    Jesus said that if you love Him you obey His commandments.

    Tell us, what “commandments” are you obeying?

  • Darren Neufeldt

    Well Walid, I was right in that it was in the books that Protestants don’t read, I even glanced over Wisdom when I was wondering where it could be. Obviously my glancing needs work as I was in the right book but didn’t see it.

    I had several items that I wanted to touch on but my notes are at home. (I’ve been in and out of the hospital with my youngest since Thursday, nothing serious, just haven’t nailed down the issue yet) I’ll try to remember some of them.

    One that I remember is the the view of the Spark of life that is mentioned in the Quran I think, can’t find it in the article at the moment. It’s near the beginning. Something similar is in the Transformer movies with the Allspark that is used to give them life. I can see a gullible young person that is a fan of said movies being lured to Islam throught the similarities between the two.

    Another point that I found interesting was the talk of parallelism, the other day while reading through the Old Testament I found myself thinking on the similarities between then and now and how they relate. Then reading this article I found myself again thinking about it and the talk a parallelism struck a cord with me.

    The other points I’m at a loss about, completely gone from my mind. Anyway, great article as always, I really enjoyed reading it.

  • “Trevor you’ve already feasted on it!”

    Feasting on what?

    “That’s why you argue the simplicity of the scriptures!”

    Prove it.

    ” All this feasting on everything that doesn’t honor the Jesus of what’s written, keeps you from having or knowing that Jesus!!”

    Here is Jesus’ own words:

    “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves. “He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. “For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink. “He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. “As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also will live because of Me. “This is the bread which came down out of heaven; not as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live forever.” (John 6:53-58).

    You see, Pam, it is not I who does not honor Jesus. It is you.

    “Will the real Jesus please stand up!”

    In the Real Presence of the Sacrament of the Eucharist, there is Jesus.

    Oh ye of little faith.

    • Pam Fletcher

      You you feast on a mixture of man teaching, Jesus teaching, man recorded history teaching, Mary teaching, Trevor teaching, etc… Don’t you see it?
      A malatov cocktail that blows up the simplicity of what’s written! Your confidence is in the cocktail!
      Cursed is the man that puts his trust in man, makes flesh his strength, and turns his heart from the Lord! (Jer.17:5)!!!! So many voices you can’t possibly know His! As the god of this world has designed it! Working like a charm, don’t you think!!

      • So we should all now put our trust in your Daily Fletcher?

        • I think I am done with Pam Fletcher. She does not refute and insist on attack, attack, and more attack. I don’t have the time to deal with her nonsense.

          • Am about to hit the eject button. I’d hate to have anther Flame Blue harassing customers for two entire years.

          • Grandmere

            We are hauling in the good ones left and right. Best we attend to their needs and get them in fighting shape.

          • Agreed, Grand, agreed.

          • EXACTLY. Instead we focus on the piranhas.

          • Kamau41

            Totally agree and that we will.

          • I read the exchange between you and Flame Blue.

          • Kamau41

            Well past the time to hit the eject button on Pam.

          • resist the devil and he will eject the button by himself

          • Kamau41

            That’s right!

          • Raph Sebastian

            They come, they take the free samples, smack their lips but purchase nothing or offer nothing in exchange. They then demand that you change the recipe of 2000 years because they like their falafels all mushy and full of horse manure.

          • Kamau41

            Don’t waste anymore time with her. Let’s just keep on rowing.

          • You are right. I have wasted precious energy fighting those who don’t want to listen to the Church.

            Thanks for having my back. Let’s keep rowing as you suggested.

          • Kamau41

            Indeed! You’r welcome. We shall keep on keeping on.

        • alexander

          Something to share walid ,

          is it no wonder that in Islam playing for God according their Judgemental Sharia Law

          As Turkey want to bring back the Caliphat . Yes in Islam a Caliph Man is Playing for God , This is Exatly how the Bible Describes the Antichrist , So is it no wonder that in new age and Atheists and Evolutionist Attack Christianity . Because most people would Rally behind islam anyways , Because in islam it is Good to Play God , And this is exactly the First Lie in the garden of Eden , And Satan still uses this Tactic and many fall for it ” This Teaching is practiced in New Age Philosophy and the Longer you Talk with a Atheist or Evolutionist they Give their answers and heart away to Think Like that They are God ‘ Even if they dont say it out Loud with their mouth but the Longer you talk with them they reveal themselves away . In Otherwords Playing for God is the Oldest trick in the book and Scientists love to play for God as well , As we can see now happening in Cern Switserland were The God Shiva (God of destruction Satan) of Hinduism is Stationed . Yes Satan Appairs in Many Forms , Because he is The Instagator of all False Religions of the world , Including False Christianity ,

          Because their is only one Christ as he is Described in the Bible , and erything what not line’s up with what the Bible says , Is not from God but from Charlatans false Prophets false teachers , Because satan is a Copy Cat he Knows the Bible from the beginning to the end but Corrupted his Give wisdom ‘

          Notice that the Prince of Tyrus is as well another name for the Antichrist if you read it in Context Ezekiel 28:1:2 _ 2 Thessalonians 2:3:4

          Ezekiel 28:1:19 , So Yes in Otherwords Satan is Manifesting himself in the Flesh

          Ephesians 2:2:3 , Yes in Otherwords The Spirit of the Power of the Air (Satan) is in all Children of disobedience’s , Because the Bible makes as well another Clear Point 1 John 4:1:3 ,

          As their now is Conspiracy going on in The United nations ,

          Yes Blaim the Jews Because all point Fingers at Israel , Not only the UN

          But many People in The world these days ‘ Is it no Wonder why this is happening ? Why many people in the world are full of Hate and Envy againts Israel and the Jews

          Yes satan his hate againts God’s People the Jews as well Christians is overwellming why many attack the Jews and Christians

          1 Chronicles 21:1 ,

          _____________

          Godbless Walid Great Article

      • Then cursed is the man who would put his strength in Fletcher.

        Listen Fletcher, can you find another bark to chew on? We’re trying to eat our daily spinach in peace.

      • Pam, you have not even bothered trying to refute what I said.

        “Don’t you see it?”

        The only thing I see is your zig-zag logic that is nonsensical.

        “Your confidence is in the cocktail!”

        Cocktail of what? Oh these, “You you feast on a mixture of man teaching, Jesus teaching, man recorded history teaching, Mary teaching, Trevor teaching, etc..”

        For someone who claimed to have the Holy Spirit, you failed to understand that the Bible was written by men under inspiration of the Holy Spirit. It was the Catholic Church, in a major Church Council, that put together the Bible in one single book in the 4th Century! That is a historical fact. You don’t deal in fact. You deal in “Pam Fletcher”-ism.

        “Cursed is the man that puts his trust in man, makes flesh his strength, and turns his heart from the Lord! (Jer.17:5)”

        So, Christ failed to build His Church? The Holy Spirit failed to guard and guide the Church since Christ’s ascension to the Father until Pam Fletcher showed up to correct us all?

        ” So many voices you can’t possibly know His!”

        You assume too much.

        ” As the god of this world has designed it! Working like a charm, don’t you think!!”

        You give the devil far too much credit, it is making him blush.

        ” His Word is His body and blood!”

        And so is the Eucharist.

        “For I received from the Lord what I also handed to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when He was betrayed took a loaf of bread, and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “This is My body that is for you. Do this in remembrance of Me.” In the same way He took the cup also, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes,” (1 Cor. 11:23-26).

        St. Paul was not in the Upper Room the night Jesus instituted the Last Supper, what we call the Eucharist, the perpetual Thanksgiving we celebrate every Sunday during Mass, because as I quoted from John 6 above, Jesus made it clear that to eat of His flesh and drink of His blood, yet St. Paul received this directly from Christ Himself, confirming the Eucharist as a perpetual Thanksgiving. Thus, as St. Paul wrote, “[…] in everything give thanks; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus,” (1. Thess. 5:18).

        You don’t have it because you have blatantly rejected the words of the Lord, professing yourself to be wiser than the apostolic Church who upheld this doctrine for 2,000 years since Christ instituted this in the Upper Room!

  • You are actually confirming the Eucharist.

  • Flame blue

    I have read Walid’s article now, and conclude my opinion on it. I do see references, prophecy, linking these times we live in and the behaviour and attitudes of our times to what the Book Of Wisdom describes. I do believe that Christians are being attacked in all ways in these times by Muslims, Athiests, and definately Eugenists will attack Christians because we won’t go along with their evil view that the weak are to be despised and rejected. Of course, the Book of Wisdom is a valuable book of scripture and proves it is prophetic and inspired by God. It is wise to examine it in these times. In the recent past when atheism was not upfront and Christianity was dominant in the West, l can see the reason that it was ignored as Christians wouldn’t ever hear ” we just came into existence by accident”.

    I didn’t understand the focus on Protestantism and it’s sins within the article, and the condemnation of Protestantism. Certainly as a Presbyterian, l am familiar with the Book of Widom

    • “I didn’t understand the focus on Protestantism and it’s sins within the article, and the condemnation of Protestantism.”

      Why you do not read English Flame? You follow Lutta?

      I thought you said you followed Jesus and not Lutta.

      Whats with this guy named Lutta Flame? Why is he so important to you that if we critique him you point it out?

      Care to debunk what we wrote about Lutta here?

      • Flame blue

        I tell you the truth. I don’t see why Protestants need whipped forever! Was it really all wickedness against the Roman Catholic Church? Rebuke the current Pope because he apologised for the persecution of Protestants by his Church. l am not influenced by Luther. John Knox couldn’t understand him! I liked your article.

        • “l am not influenced by Luther. ”

          Then explain why you get critical when we expose Lutta?

          • Flame blue

            I don’t care about Luther, if it’s just Lutherians you are critising then fine but just call them Lutherians, don’t use the broad description of Protestants. I have no religious links with Mormons, and Jehovah Witnesses and many others, and l don’t go on a JW forum because l don’t have a spiritual connection with their views. I don’t deny their humanity and peaceful nature. I have no condemnation of them. There’s nothing l blame them for and they have no link to Luther. I don’t think they are rebels against Roman Catholics, and l am certain God loves them, even though you and l, don’t agree with their theolgy, and they have indeed added and distorted the Gospel scripture.

          • “I don’t care about Luther”

            Than why object when we write about him?

            “don’t use the broad description of Protestants.”

            You are PROTESTANT. This is a “broad description of Protestants” isn’t it?

            PROTESTANTS DENY THE SEVEN BOOKS.

            IS THIS A BRAOD DESCRIPTION?

            SURE IT IS.

            IS IT FALSE.

            NO.

            DARWIN USED THE WORKS OF MALTHUS.

            IS THIS NOT AN ACCURATE POINT?

            YES IT IS.

            ANY OBJECTIONS SPEAK NOW OR FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE … PROTESTANT.

            YOU ARE PROTESTING? TRUE OR FALSE?

            ITS TRUE.

            THIS MAKES YOU A PROTESTANT BECAUSE YOU PROTEST THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

            WHY IS IT OKAY YOU PROTEST AND IT IS NOT OKAY FOR US TO DEFEND AND EXPOSE?

            TELL US FLAME BLOOOOOOOOOOOO

          • Flame blue

            You are protesting, and you protest about Protestants. I am a Christian. It’s you who tells me l am a Protestant and you call me that because l am not a Roman Catholic. You would be just as well to call me atheist, or apostate, for it comes across as you think that those outside the Roman Catholic Faith are not in Jesus and he’s not in them. As l said, the Book of Wisdom is not rejected by me, so it’s known and used by non Roman Catholics too. True, there are Bibles without it, l agree! The one who believes that Jesus Christ is God, and the Divine Son of God who came to Earth and was crucified as a sin offering for the redemption of sin and is the Resurrected Saviour, is Saved. A person can catch one sheet of scripture that blows onto their remote Island home and read that and believe in its truth and they will be saved. That’s it!

            Peace Walid.

          • DanteRivers

            Hi Flame Blue
            “A person can catch one sheet of scripture that blows onto their remote Island home and read that and believe in its truth and they will be saved. That’s it!”

            As protestant believer for over 40 years and a Catholic for less that 2 weeks, I understand exactly what your are saying. I do not think the catholic/orthodox see themselves as individual believers they see themselves as being a part of the body of Christ that suffered and were martyred and preserved the gospel of Christ for almost 2,000 years.

          • Flame blue

            Thank you. Brother allways retain your belief in Jesus Christ as your Saviour and don’t believe in a Church. What is a church? Some say it’s a building, buildings, offices, congregations, yes, that’s what it is! Some Christians say that it’s a school one must attend. Attending church for fellowship or to hear and ponder the Word of God is good, and God desires we do so, but we can know God through God and never attend church, for Abraham knew God without first knowing scripture, and Adam and Eve knew God without the Bible given to them, and God our Father didn’t build them a special building to worship him in, nor were they instructed to make one of wood.

            A church is a commodity that God desires for us, but now we have the tree in it, of the knowledge of good and evil. That’s why some bicker over churches, the types, the presentation, the liturgy and even over books of the Bible, how many are taught. Some say it’s like a school and a person’s education is lacking if one doesn’t go to the right school, and snobbery is rife, and congregants of different churches sneer at each other, not good fruit they are eating and it shows. God judges each individual and if somehow they don’t have the Holy Spirit, they will not go up for all need Jesus to lift them up. Now here comes the bickerers who will rebuke saying Jesus is not the Holy Spirit for truly they only think they know him.

            Peace and blessings brother. I pray that you enjoy your new choice of worship place.

          • Kkdgrace

            Exactly- the Church is “corporate” in nature. Protestantism focus more on “individualism”.

          • Flame blue

            I don’t protest against the Catholic Church! Do you say that because l don’t join the Catholic Church, is that how you define a Protestant? Obviously, Jesus will take care of Protestant “sins” of not joining the RC Church!

            Peace be with you Walid.

        • “I tell you the truth.”

          I keep forgetting, you never lied, not once in your life. Remember when you said you never sinned?

          Now we know why:

          “I tell you the truth.”

          hmmmm. Are you the one Flame or must we wait for another?

          If you are “the one” Flame it would prove my Erdogan Theory 100% since Messiah will only show up after Antichrist appears.

          Please don’t disappoint us Flame.

          • Flame blue

            I said l have not sinned for many, many years. I hold to the view that God dwells in me and can see everything l do and know everything l think, and it’s not my intention to shame myself. I have no inclination to sin, and lie, so l don’t do it. I don’t think that l am saintly because God’s standard is so high that l won’t reach it, but l am not like a dog that goes back to its vomit, l am clean, and l intend to stay that way.

            What l am, God has told me, and what good l am is to his credit, not mine. You don’t need to wait for Jesus, he is with you. He is with those who are Christians.

          • Ahhhmmm, yep, sure ….O yes, God told you … got it.

            Anything else before I call Susan?

          • Flame blue

            If l tell you God communicates with me, then it’s the truth, why do you not believe me? If God doesn’t communicate with me, then he communicates with no person! God communicates with me as he spoke to Moses, Peter, Mathew, Luke and John. I am not a Liar! That’s the worse thing you can ever call me. Jesus knows how l hate it! Who was it who crucified Jesus? People who thought him a liar, that’s who. If you persecute me, you persecute Jesus. If you call me delusional, then you offend my Lord. That’s the truth!

          • “God communicates with me as he spoke to Moses, Peter, Mathew, Luke and John. I am not a Liar!”

            Then what does he tell you about the seven missing books?

          • Flame blue

            What’s Seven missing books got to do with me? I told you, as long as one sheet of scriptures is believed that states Jesus is Lord then that person is saved! Don’t think of me as a Protestant, because l don’t think of myself that way. It’s leading you astray, thinking in that way, looking down on Protestants. I was sent to the Church l am in, they need me, l have to help them. I must stay there. Understand! And don’t think we exonerate the Roman Church, we are angry with all the churches, and there is not one above the other.

          • “I told you, as long as one sheet of scriptures is believed that states Jesus is Lord then that person is saved!”

            There are a ton of books that say “Jesus is Lord” and are of the devil. Take the Book of Mormon for an example.

            Now you proven 100% that God does not speak to you.

          • Flame blue

            It’s you that’s judging that Mormons aren’t in Jesus and are not saved. I have spoken to Mormons who believe they are saints of the last days, and if their word is true, they say that they believe Jesus is their risen Lord, their sacrificial lamb for the atonement of their sins, then l and God judge them Christians, followers of Jesus. They are saved! You can judge l don’t speak and hear Jesus, so now l want you to tell me who you think l spiritually hear?

          • The more you talk (about how you converse with the Almighty and now Mormons are ‘saved’) the more we can diagnose the problem and we are narrowing it down from anxiety attacks to demonic afflictions.

            However, we do not deal with these symptoms over here in this clinic since it is out of our league but Fr. Chad Reppirger is the real specialist who could help you get rid of these vermin:

          • Flame blue

            All you have proved Walid is there is something wrong with you, not me, and your church is not addressing the matter. If anyone is demon infested it’s the person who believes that Satan can communicate with people but God is too weak to be heard and Satan can infest a person with demons but God He cannot put his Holy Spirit in his Christian.

            Now, you will get news which will cause you to rejoice, but it won’t ever do you a favour. I will remove my favour from you, and shake the dust from my feet, or the cr*p that l have picked up from the dirty place you have been leaving unclean lately. Goodbye Walid. it’s you who has Satan in residence. You have been sinning, and that’s why you have become infested and the priest who hears your confession hasn’t been able to cleanse you, and that bread and wine you take hasn’t worked for you. Of course, l pray for your soul! Goodbye.

          • “All you have proved Walid is there is something wrong with you, not me, and your church is not addressing the matter. If anyone is demon infested it’s the person who believes that Satan can communicate with people but God is too weak to be heard and Satan …”

            The more you write the more I am convinced you do not converse with the Almighty for the Almighty would NEVER approve of Mormonsim which equates Jesus as the brother of Lucifer.

            Your reaction and words further proves my point especially when you start attacking the communion and the confession as a useless sacrament.

            And now you finally departed.

            Finally. It worked. Resist the devil and he will FLEE from you.

          • Flame blue

            I did not attack communion and confession, l said it hasn’t worked for you, that’s the difference!

            Yes, Mormons will enter into Heaven more so than hypocrites who don’t believe in the power of God, but believe fully in the powers of Satan!

            ” What Mormons Believe About Jesus Christ
            The following excerpts are taken from an address to the Harvard Divinity School in March 2001 by Robert L. Millet, former dean of religious education at Brigham Young University. It is offered on Newsroom as a resource.

            What Do We Believe About Jesus Christ?

            Latter-day Saints are Christians on the basis of our doctrine, our defined relationship to Christ, our patterns of worship and our way of life.

            What Do We Believe About Christ?

            We believe Jesus is the Son of God, the Only Begotten Son in the flesh (John 3:16). We accept the prophetic declarations in the Old Testament that refer directly and powerfully to the coming of the Messiah, the Savior of all humankind. We believe that Jesus of Nazareth was and is the fulfillment of those prophecies.
            We believe the accounts of Jesus’ life and ministry recorded in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John in the New Testament to be historical and truthful. For us the Jesus of history is indeed the Christ of faith. While we do not believe the Bible to be inerrant, complete or the final word of God, we accept the essential details of the Gospels and more particularly the divine witness of those men who walked and talked with Him or were mentored by His chosen apostles.
            We believe that He was born of a virgin, Mary, in Bethlehem of Judea in what has come to be known as the meridian of time, the central point in salvation history. From His mother, Mary, Jesus inherited mortality, the capacity to feel the frustrations and ills of this world, including the capacity to die. We believe that Jesus was fully human in that He was subject to sickness, to pain and to temptation.
            We believe Jesus is the Son of God the Father and as such inherited powers of godhood and divinity from His Father, including immortality, the capacity to live forever. While He walked the dusty road of Palestine as a man, He possessed the powers of a God and ministered as one having authority, including power over the elements and even power over life and death.
            We believe Jesus performed miracles, including granting sight to the blind, hearing to the deaf, life to some who had died and forgiveness to those steeped in sin. We believe the New Testament accounts of healings and nature miracles and the cleansing of human souls to be authentic and real.
            We believe Jesus taught His gospel — the glad tidings or good news that salvation had come to earth through Him — in order that people might more clearly understand both their relationship to God the Father and their responsibility to each other.
            We believe Jesus selected leaders, invested them with authority and organized a church. We maintain that the Church of Jesus Christ was established, as the Apostle Paul later wrote, for the perfection and unity of the saints (Ephesians 4:11–14).
            We believe that Jesus’ teachings and His own matchless and perfect life provide a pattern for men and women to live by and that we must emulate that pattern as best we can to find true happiness and fulfillment in this life.
            We believe Jesus suffered in the Garden of Gethsemane and that He submitted to a cruel death on the cross of Calvary, all as a willing sacrifice, a substitutionary atonement for our sins. That offering is made efficacious as we exercise faith and trust in Him; repent of our sins; are baptized by immersion as a symbol of our acceptance of His death, burial and rise to newness of life; and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:37–38; While no one of us can comprehend how and in what manner one person can take upon himself the effects of the sins of another — or, even more mysteriously, the sins of all men and women — we accept and glory in the transcendent reality that Christ remits our sins through His suffering. We know it is true because we have experienced it personally. Further, we believe that He died, was buried and rose from the dead and that His resurrection was a physical reality. We believe that the effects of His rise from the tomb pass upon all men and women. “As in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive” (Corinthians 15:22).
            We do not believe that we can either overcome the flesh or gain eternal reward through our own unaided efforts. We must work to our limit and then rely upon the merits, mercy and grace of the Holy One of Israel to see us through the struggles of life and into life eternal . We believe that while human works are necessary— including exercising faith in Christ, repenting of our sins, receiving the sacraments or ordinances of salvation and rendering Christian service to our neighbors — they are not sufficient for salvation We believe that our discipleship ought to be evident in the way we live our lives.”

            I will leave but not on a curse from you!

          • “I did not attack communion and confession, l said it hasn’t worked for you, that’s the difference!”

            Why? Because I told you off that Mormons are not Christian and that your nuts?

            Wait a minute here. I thought you said that you decided to shut up and that you are ‘shaking the dust off your feet’.

            Lady, you ain’t shaking no dust, your still sticking around and belaboring.

            You didn’t even keep your word.

            And now I am getting the usual booklet on how to obtain salvation which is all a show to try to claim you too (like the Mormon) are ‘Christian’.

          • Flame blue

            Insulting me by calling me lady is rude!

            My study of Mormonism indicates that they don’t believe Jesus and Lucifer are anything but polar opposites, and though they attribute their understanding of Lucifer to be that he was ( past tense) a great Angel that they wrongly call Jesus brother, they do not link the character of Jesus to the character of Satan.

            What is obvious is that lies are told to suggest that they are not Christians. I showed you plainly that they believe in Jesus as their God and Saviour. They are saved! I have also argued the point with those who say Roman Catholics are not Christian giving them the written proof that they are Christians. For you know that there are those who say you are not Christians. I myself have never said such a thing, and have defended your beliefs as Roman Catholics.

            Now, may God find you and keep you safe. Try not to respond to that sentiment from me with more curses?

          • Excuse me, your email shows the name “Ann Jane” so what do you want me to do? That plus Flame Blue sounds like a woman not a man.

            And look how fast you defend Joseph Smith and vacillate for Mormonism which I do not have the time of day to deal with you since you are a can open on both ends that whatever we pour it goes right out the other side while the bottom only shuts when the demon mormons pour their pee than you retain it.

            Listen, we have debated the best Mormon apologist and it ended up that he approved Muhammad since Smith complemented Muhammad.

            So please do not lecture us on Mormonism.

          • Flame blue

            I do use her email address with her permission of course. It’s one she set up for me to use. But it’s not appropriate for you to access that and state it openly, which you have done.

            I leave God to judge J Smith, but his legacy of Mormonism has evolved to a better place these times or is better understood but l believe they have modified their religion, and God judges the hearts of the people individually. Even if someone was raised in atheism or Satanism, God can secure them and save those people, those who acknowledge they need him.

            I am not a can. I am fundamental and spiritual. Shall vessels call each other names, saying ” you are a tin that holds nothing” when God decides what vessels we are, silver, gold, pottery, or a broken clay vessel. God decides! You must become new in Jesus, reborn, for Jesus says that unless you put on the new and are reborn in his Spirit, you will not enter Heaven.

            So, l know you are offended in me, and Jesus l am glad to say is my Judge.

          • O knock it off Flame Blue, you now complained about me ‘giving your name’ when I only gave the first name NEVER the last name. I am not as low as you think and I respect people’s privacy. You complained about me calling you a lady and I explained why. I did not know you were a guy because your first name is a name of a woman.

            You hit the eject button yourself and my policy is always when someone says they are leaving that I never cow tow.

            Nothing ever twists my arm. Many are the ones I got in an arguments with, even brawls over issues and I have always been open to call it a day and move on.

            “I leave God to judge J Smith, but his legacy of Mormonism has evolved to a better place these times or is better understood but l believe they have modified their religion, and God judges the hearts of the people individually.”

            Everything you write is complete rubbish, demonic and plain garbage especially when you stated that you do not sin when scripture is clear that whoever says they do not sin is a liar and the truth is not in them.

            All this bullshit about ‘leaving it to God to judge Jay Smith” when the man praised Muhammad the devil?

            “modified their religion”? What utter bullshit. Have they modified the Book of Mormon you doofus?

            Spiritual Racism was a Mormon doctrine. Joseph Smith (similar to Nazism’s Positive Christianity) and the Nation of Islam, he created his own racial origin rewriting Genesis, where Mormons supposedly descended from Shem who was “white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome” unlike Hem whom “God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them … cursed shall be the seed of him that mixeth with their seed.” Blacks according to Mormonism, are cursed beings “idle people, full of mischief and subtlety” (See Nephi 5:21).

            So I suppose the “skin of blackness” is a metaphor now?

          • “We believe Jesus performed miracles …”
            “We believe Jesus taught His gospel …”

            Whats with this “We” business? Are you Mormon?

            This whole time you told us that we were “entertaining angels” and now we were entertaining mormons?

          • Flame blue

            That was a written statement from a Mormon Leader. He is referring to Mormon beliefs in an attempt to show openness and have condemnatory statements of their beliefs stopped. I showed you what they say are their stated beliefs. I am not a Mormon. I am just a spiritual Christian, very fundamental in my views. You may think that l am liberal but no l am not, but l am fair and just in my judgements, l don’t judge harshly. If they love Jesus that’s good enough for me!

          • Amazing. You will buy Mormon shit before you listen to an Orthodox or a Catholic. This further confirms that you are not truly speaking to God as you claim. You would listen to a MORMON teaching you rubbish. Its like eating hog balls for breakfast lunch and dinner when this whole time the table was right in front of you serving the best of lambs.

            In my neck of the woods we would say you have no brains. NO brains.

            What can I say Flame. Enjoy your Flame Broiled Hog Balls.

          • Kkdgrace

            “If they love Jesus that’s good enough for me!” Huh?!? If I understand correctly, they deny the divinity of Jesus. They worship a “different” Jesus. How can it be “good enough” to equate the false with Truth and view it as valid? Are folks too afraid to judge falsehood? Blasphemy? I think the Lord would want us to judge between what is Truth and what is so obviously false. Too many are accommodating to the “doctrine of demons”, in their misunderstanding of the teachings on “judgement”. Sigh.

          • Grandmere

            Chef kept trying to tell her that Mormons are no better than Muslims. They both “love” Jesus. Just like Arius did.

          • Kkdgrace

            Ai, yi, yi! Far too many are running around worshipping a god of their own imagining. And most don’t realize it. All that defensiveness when someone tries to correct them. That is LOVE- letting them remain comfortable in their delusions is NOT.

          • Oh jeez. To the brig he goes.

          • Grandmere

            Shall I have Susan prepare the patient for transfer?

          • It won’t be necessary. The patient as you see their last comment decided to jump out the window.

          • Grandmere

            I could only see what you quoted, as I had the patient in restraints for about a year. Sometimes, I find I can attend to them in a more loving way if I don’t hear everything they say while they are writhing. You did everything you could. We can’t win them all. Love ya, Doc.

          • Oh here we go again.

          • Grandmere

            The Haldol isn’t working. Patient now having auditory hallucinations.

          • It’s the Pentecost influence. I have experienced people coming up to me and saying, “The Lord has spoken to me about you,” or even worse when my wife and I hit a real rough patch, a gentleman said to me, “The Lord showed me.”

            Come to find out his wife broke the law and disclosed to him what was happening because she thought their own experience would help us out.

            Right intention but wrong approach.

          • Grand, when haldol does not work, its usually an infestation of some sort. Point out the infestation and if the patient goes into convulsions then its a sign especially that within minutes they bolt away running with their gown still on.

          • susan

            Yep. Like a hamster on a wheel. 🙂

          • Well, let’s make sure he had sufficient fresh supply of water.

          • Flame blue

            I repeat in a fuller expression, that you are praiseworthy for referring to the Book of Wisdom and reporting how it does fit with modern times, the times in which we live, in many more ways than it fits with the times of the Crucifixtion of Jesus. I praise you for finding these scriptures. I also praise you that God has revealed to you the number of the Anti-Christ, the Arabic writing. Of course my praise means that l believe in your gift. What l don’t understand is your temper that flairs up without real cause or much cause.

          • Are you kidding? I smile when I write these comments. You see them as “flairs” but I see them as thunder.

            And while you see your mirages that God speaks to you just as He did Peter and such, you see it as “divine spark” but I see them as hallucinations.

          • Flame blue

            ” A divine spark” l don’t accept that scripture from Sufi Islam or New Agers, whatever it is! I said that it was an improvement on what Muslims usually proclaim. They usually proclaim that God is far from man and there’s nothing divine in anyone, including Jesus.

            Colossians 3:12-14

            Put on then, as God’s chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience, bearing with one another and, if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive. And above all these put on love, which binds everything together in perfect harmony.

            1 Corinthians 13:1-13

            If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing. Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; …

            Hebrews 13:2

            Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

  • Kamau41

    Pam, what are you feasting on?

    • Flame broiled locust

      • Kamau41

        ROFL….

      • Grandmere

        I’m losin’ it over here! HA,HA,HA,HA!

  • Flame blue

    Why is Wisdom of Solomon shown with the King James Bible?
    1 For the ungodly said, reasoning with themselves, but not aright, Our life is short and tedious, and in the death of a man there is no remedy: neither was there any man known to have returned from the grave.
    2 For we are born at all adventure: and we shall be hereafter as though we had never been: for the breath in our nostrils is as smoke, and a little spark in the moving of our heart:
    3 Which being extinguished, our body shall be turned into ashes, and our spirit shall vanish as the soft air,
    4 And our name shall be forgotten in time, and no man shall have our works in remembrance, and our life shall pass away as the trace of a cloud, and shall be dispersed as a mist, that is driven away with the beams of the sun, and overcome with the heat thereof.
    5 For our time is a very shadow that passeth away; and after our end there is no returning: for it is fast sealed, so that no man cometh again.
    6 Come on therefore, let us enjoy the good things that are present: and let us speedily use the creatures like as in youth.
    7 Let us fill ourselves with costly wine and ointments: and let no flower of the spring pass by us:
    8 Let us crown ourselves with rosebuds, before they be withered:
    9 Let none of us go without his part of our voluptuousness: let us leave tokens of our joyfulness in every place: for this is our portion, and our lot is this.
    10 Let us oppress the poor righteous man, let us not spare the widow, nor reverence the ancient gray hairs of the aged.
    11 Let our strength be the law of justice: for that which is feeble is found to be nothing worth.
    12 Therefore let us lie in wait for the righteous; because he is not for our turn, and he is clean contrary to our doings: he upbraideth us with our offending the law, and objecteth to our infamy the transgressings of our education.
    13 He professeth to have the knowledge of God: and he calleth himself the child of the Lord.
    14 He was made to reprove our thoughts.
    15 He is grievous unto us even to behold: for his life is not like other men’s, his ways are of another fashion.
    16 We are esteemed of him as counterfeits: he abstaineth from our ways as from filthiness: he pronounceth the end of the just to be blessed, and maketh his boast that God is his father.
    17 Let us see if his words be true: and let us prove what shall happen in the end of him.
    18 For if the just man be the son of God, he will help him, and deliver him from the hand of his enemies.
    19 Let us examine him with despitefulness and torture, that we may know his meekness, and prove his patience.
    20 Let us condemn him with a shameful death: for by his own saying he shall be respected.
    21 Such things they did imagine, and were deceived: for their own wickedness hath blinded them.
    22 As for the mysteries of God, they knew them not: neither hoped they for the wages of righteousness, nor discerned a reward for blameless souls.
    23 For God created man to be immortal, and made him to be an image of his own eternity.
    24 Nevertheless through envy of the devil came death into the world: and they that do hold of his side do find it.

  • Pam,

    “Those who love only His written Word”

    We all love His written word more than you love yacking like a cat in heat. Your statements are NOT the word of God.

    The article above says:

    “The Mass Crucifixions Of Christians: The Holy Bible Reveals The Most Fascinating Hidden Prophecy Predicting Muslims Becoming Evolutionists Will Genocide Christians Worldwide”

    Do you have any comments about the article or must I hit the eject button once and for all?

    Frankly I am getting lots of customer complaints already.

    • She has never addressed the article. She’s just attacking commenters.

      • Kamau41

        Very typical of these people. Nothing new.

        • Seen this movie too many.

  • Flame blue

    Good article Walid. Excellent point to highlight what the Book of Wisdom reveals. Yes, l believe we Christians are suffering and will suffer worse as our Bible is thrown by our enemies into the fire, but the fire cannot burn it, and up it will rise and hit the beast between its eyes with the number that is his name!

  • Kamau41

    “The false miracle of the so called Eucharist, won’t impart His Holy Spirit to anyone!” How do you people arrive at such blasphemous conclusions?

    • Outstanding work, 41.

      • Kamau41

        Thank you my friend!

  • Francesca Posney

    We live our Christianity on such a superficial level. There were many things brought up in this article I had never thought of before yet now I can see their relevance.
    Revelation 12:11
    And they overcame him ( v.10 the accuser of the brethren) by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and THEY LOVED NOT THEIR LIVES UNTO THE DEATH.
    May God help each one of us to seek wisdom and understanding and in these last days to STAND against the lies and deceit of those who pursue evil.

  • Vinny Zee

    Agreed. I was having a discussion on another post with one of our regulars about Protestants who want to come to Orthodoxy, and try to replicate the mass or the divine liturgy. However, without anyone to guide them they struggle with the rubrics. The mass, as a sacrifice, has to be carried out by a legitimately ordained priest. There are so many parts to the divine liturgy, I could not replicate it. Protestants would hardly miss a mass extermination of priests, they don’t believe in the sacrifice of the mass. The faithful, would struggle to have the mass without priests. You raise a very interesting point.

    • racarrera

      This is what happened to the massive Foursquare group in the late seventies who tried to make an Orthodox church without Orthodoxy. They gave up and looked for years to find a church to take them in, and the Antiochians obliged them.

      • Vinny Zee

        Are you referring to Peter Gilchrist or was this another movement? I’m assuming you might be referring to someone else? Now that I think of it, Gilchrist and folks were Campus Crusaders.

        • racarrera

          Actually, another one, though Peter’s movement was indeed very impressive. Looks like the Foursquare movement went along with CCforC!: http://journeytoorthodoxy.com/2010/05/recovering-the-ancient-paths-dennis-corrigan/

          • Vinny Zee

            Thanks. I will keep this link. I have some family members moving steadily into a Foursquare movement start up church. I have been diligently warning them of Pentecostal ideology and theology. What I find interesting is that the leaders, according to them, don’t espouse too much about Pentecostal theology. I find this odd; I told them to be careful. Either they are concealing what they believe to win converts from the current church or they are latching onto Foursquare (who keeps looking to expand) as a way to gain capital to start a new church. I find it odd when Pentecostals consider themselves to be Pentecostal absent the doctrine. I always wonder why they are not just evangelical or non-denominational. Anyway, that was an interesting story.

  • When it comes to comments CTYank, it takes years to learn how not to take them personally. You really have to have a thick skin or else you go mad. You have to tell yourself before you read comments that no matter what you read that you will not be alarmed or hurt.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    No it isn’t Pam. Explain Malachi 1:11. Explain why John saw a lamb standing on the altar as though slain. Explain how he was slain before the foundation of the world. Explain why the Book of Hebrews 8 states that Jesus must have something to offer.
    ◄ Isaiah 56:7 ►
    Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted on my altar; for my house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
    Still want to fuss now??Your man-made church have any eunuchs? Your man-made church offer sacrifice?

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Pam – do you REALLY WANT TO GET CLEAN¿???????????????
    GO to confession. Jesus said if His priests did not forgive your find, then your find are not forgiven. That’s in the Bible dear – ‘ whose sins YOU FORGIVE they are forgiven. Whose sins YOU DO NOT FORGIVE THEY ARE NOT FORGIVEN. St. John 20:23

  • Fair response indeed T-Shea. One minor correction though if I may:

    “I have read a couple of the ‘apocrypha’ ”

    I would not call these ‘apocrypha’ they are the word of God.

  • Joe Fuiten is a righteous man and I love his spirit. I have truly enjoyed speaking at his church, twice. Send him my best regards M Douglas.

  • “The second-hand smoke in the comment section can get a bit thick sometimes.”

    And also keep in mind that I am one of those who is doing all the smoking 😉

  • What topics are you interested in? St. Clement’s Epistles to Corinthians gave great light on the root cause of division that St. Paul tried to put an end to. He also confirms Peter was martyred in Rome as St. Paul was.

    So St. Clement was how I got started.

    For heavy exposition on refuting Gnostic, St. Irenaeus is the best source. His writings is whom I refer to heavily as he reveals the profile of the Antichrist and was the first, I think, to equate the Blessed Virgin Mary to being the Last Eve.

  • Baby step, my friend. Baby step.

  • susan

    I looked in different books wondering where this gem would be found. And if I had guessed, I would have guessed wrongly. Having read some of Rumi’s poetry and his use of the word Beloved, I briefly considered Song of Songs but Song of Songs is a love story. Not a massacre.

    When you pointed out the scripture and had us slowly read it from an Islamic, Jewish, Catholic man’s understanding…it’s stunning. ONLY the Daniel would understand it’s significance. Thank you for sharing! :D.

    • You are welcome Susan. Glad that you can glean from the olive tree 🙂

      • susan

        lol. Thank you for bending the branch down to me. 🙂

  • You can get the writings of the Church Fathers for free.

    http://www.ccel.org/fathers.html

    I have the Ante-Nicene Fathers on my laptop.

    • CTyank

      Trevor, I read St Clement’s Epistle to Corinthians and how he spoke against the division and excommunication of some of the leadership in the Church. It seems to have been done for political reasons. Was this just the beginnings of divisions in general or a specific schism?

      • It has been a while since I’ve read his epistle. Can you direct me to the passage?

        • CTyank

          The strife is summed up briefly in chapter 2. You had written to me the following:
          “St. Clement’s Epistles to Corinthians gave great light on the root cause of division that St. Paul tried to put an end to.”

          • Very good. Prophetic isn’t it?

  • “God said man won’t live on falalalalsfelfelfelsssss!!”

    And had man lived on your Daily Fletcher we would be extinct.

  • alexander

    Is it no wonder that in Islam playing for God according their Judgemental Sharia Law
    As Turkey want to bring back the Caliphat . Yes in Islam a Caliph Man is Playing for God , This is Exatly how the Bible Describes the Antichrist , So is it no wonder that in new age and Atheists and Evolutionist Attack Christianity . Because most people would Rally behind islam anyways , Because in islam it is Good to Play God , And this is exactly the First Lie in the garden of Eden , And Satan still uses this Tactic and many fall for it ” This Teaching is practiced in New Age Philosophy and the Longer you Talk with a Atheist or Evolutionist they Give their answers and heart away to Think Like that They are God ‘ Even if they dont say it out Loud with their mouth but the Longer you talk with them they reveal themselves away . In Otherwords Playing for God is the Oldest trick in the book and Scientists love to play for God as well , As we can see now happening in Cern Switserland were The God Shiva (God of destruction Satan) of Hinduism is Stationed . Yes Satan Appairs in Many Forms , Because he is The Instagator of all False Religions of the world , Including False Christianity ,
    Because their is only one Christ as he is Described in the Bible , and erything what not line’s up with what the Bible says , Is not from God but from Charlatans false Prophets false teachers , Because satan is a Copy Cat he Knows the Bible from the beginning to the end but Corrupted his Give wisdom ‘
    Notice that the Prince of Tyrus is as well another name for the Antichrist if you read it in Context Ezekiel 28:1:2 _ 2 Thessalonians 2:3:4
    Ezekiel 28:1:19 , So Yes in Otherwords Satan is Manifesting himself in the Flesh

    Ephesians 2:2:3 , Yes in Otherwords The Spirit of the Power of the Air (Satan) is in all Children of disobedience’s , Because the Bible makes as well another Clear Point 1 John 4:1:3 ,

    As their now is Conspiracy going on in The United nations ,
    Yes Blaim the Jews Because all point Fingers at Israel , Not only the UN
    But many People in The world these days ‘ Is it no Wonder why this is happening ? Why many people in the world are full of Hate and Envy againts Israel and the Jews
    Yes satan his hate againts God’s People the Jews as well Christians is overwellming why many attack the Jews and Christians
    1 Chronicles 21:1 ,
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    Godbless Walid Great Article

  • Vinny Zee

    Welcome back CTyank. Most protestant pastors will not invite you to read early church history because most of them have never read early church history. Those that do treat them like a grocery story, going in and plucking out what they want or need and leaving. Some attempt to use the early church fathers to support Protestantism. As hard as they may try, it is impossible to do so. The early fathers, were fully Catholic and knew no other way of doing Christianity. For the rest who refuse to read the early church fathers, their sickness is easy to diagnose. They bought into a notion of “sola scriptura” but not even of a brand the reformers had. Theirs is much more inept. Therefore, many protestants believe reading the early church fathers is reading the book of Acts and they convince themselves their church is the same as the church of the book of Acts.

    People come around here all the time accusing us Catholics of following “traditions of men” when just about every single thing a Protestant does is traditions of men. Again, welcome back. We can all learn together when we are willing to listen to one another and not bite. Truth can be declared in a loving manner.

  • Vinny Zee

    Get a copy of the Didache. Eusebius’ Ecclesiastical History. You may also enjoy a Dictionary of the Early Church Fathers. I think I have one by Bercot. Against Heresies by Irenaeus is a bit heady, maybe something for later. You may also enjoy a book by Aquillina title The Mass of the Early Christians.

    • O Vinny, you have been a great blessing in your second year rowing on this ship. Hope you make it for several more years.

      I mean look at that: Didache. Eusebius’ Ecclesiastical History, Dictionary of the Early Church Fathers, Bercot, Against Heresies by Irenaeus …

      Look at you now. A Vinny shining Zee in all dark places …

      What a blessing you are.

      Row well. Battle Speed.

  • Vinny Zee

    Keep pursuing Orthodoxy. Keep shedding off any remnant of Protestantism. You will be well on your way!

  • “Kamau, you make a defense by using writing outside of Jesus’s Writings! ”

    And the Left Behind series fiction books you read are within Jesus’ writings?

    Get out of here with you nonsense, nothing you write is from the Bible.

    Your comments are not in the Bible.

  • “O Walid you were meant to have me in your life,”

    Oh thats just great. If you are in my life, can you do me a great favor and put poison in my tea?

    I’ll gladly drink it.

  • Pam,

    Last time I explain how it works. You critique the article. If someone wants to respond to you than they are welcome to do so. This is not a discussion board. Change the subject and an eject button will be hit.

    We write articles so that they get discussed.

    I am not your servant here approving unrelated comments. We work hard to write these articles and its not right to ignore them and just belabor what was belabored a million times over.

    These are the rules.

  • “Yes, Mr. Zee, I think you speak truth.”

    I can attest to that. Vinny Zee is probably the most articulate one around here 🙂

  • Trust me, you are in good hands with Vinny The Zee.

  • Kkdgrace

    You can also find a majority of the writings of the ante-Nicene Church Fathers on the internet- for free…including the earliest post-apostolic letters. You can also find the Church History written by Eusebius (sp?). In this case, “google” is your friend. TONS of resources and readings available on the internet. There is a site where you can download the ante-Nicene writings with no charge. Don’t remember which site, but I found it easily with google (oops- I see Trevor has already posted a link- what I get for excitedly posting before reading further). Anyway- that is where I started. If you have a smartphone, you can download “Ancient Faith Radio” (or the site can be found on the internet) – it offers a ton of podcasts covering a wide range of material concerning the beliefs of the Church. A smorgasbord. God bless you on your “journey”!

  • Raph Sebastian

    In modern day times, the narco-cartels and narco-sponsored “churches” in Mexico do the same. They kidnap and murder priests. Satan knows who his enemies are.

  • Lance

    Sorry Walid. .–Its hard, but not impossible to follow you when I must reject the premise. (there’s no “Wisdom 2” in my Bible.)

    • Grandmere

      That’s because Luther took it out.

    • “there’s no “Wisdom 2″ in my Bible.”

      Can you spend a year researching Lance to answer a simple question? Why is Wisdom 2 not in your Bible? It was in all the Bibles before Luther.

      Should we follow Christ or Luther?

      • Lance

        I simply don’t have Wisdom 2.–Making it hard to follow if I can’t verify the premise.

    • Kamau41

      If that is the case Lance, then what do you do with the Holy Scriptures that clearly says:
      “ALL scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice, That the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work.”(2 Tim 3:16-17)

      • Lance

        In this case I don’t have “Wisdom 2:2, to verify Walids’ premise.

        • Grandmere

          go to biblehub.com

          • Lance

            God gave us KJV & NIV to read. There’s no “Bel And the Dragon” either.

  • alexander

    Its clear you hate the Catholic Church pam Fletcher or Just Twist Scripture , For speaking Foolishness Concerning The Bread and Wine as a see in one comment from you 2 Days ago to Trevor Pam Fletcher
    __________________

    You you feast on a mixture of man teaching, Jesus teaching, man recorded history teaching, Mary teaching, Trevor teaching, etc… Don’t you see it?

    A malatov cocktail that blows up the simplicity of what’s written! Your confidence is in the cocktail!

    Cursed is the man that puts his trust in man, makes flesh his strength, and turns his heart from the Lord! (Jer.17:5)!!!! So many voices you can’t possibly know His! As the god of this world has designed it! Working like a charm, don’t you think!! His Word is His body and blood!
    ______________________________

    While Trevor tryed to help you

    Here is Jesus’ own words:

    “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves. “He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. “For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink. “He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. “As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also will live because of Me. “This is the bread which came down out of heaven; not as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live forever.” (John 6:53-58).

    You see, Pam, it is not I who does not honor Jesus. It is you.

    “Will the real Jesus please stand up!”

    In the Real Presence of the Sacrament of the Eucharist, there is Jesus.

    Oh ye of little faith.

    Will the real Jesus please stand up!”

    So here is something for you to Learn and see

    https://youtu.be/YNJ5oi1cw2I?list=FLQX8SoKQUtYZz8Y95a7drrQ
    ________________________________

    As well Scripture

    John 6:48:51 , I am The bread Of Life Your Fathers Did Eat Manna in The Wilderness And Are Dead This is That Bread Which Came Down From heaven That a Man may Eat Thereof and not Die I am The Living Bread Which Came Down From Heaven if Any Man Eat of This Bread He Shall Live For Ever and The Bread That i Will Give is My Flesh Which i Will Give For The Life of The World , John 3:16:17 , For God So Loved The World That He Gave His Only Begotten Son that Whosoever Believeth in Him Should Not Perish But Have Everlasting Life For God sent Not His Son Into The World To Condemn The World But That The World Through Him Might Be Saved , John 6:53:58 ,

    Then Jesus Said Unto Them Verily Verily i Say Unto You Except Ye Eat The Flesh of The Son of man and Drink His Blood Ye Have No Life in You Whoso Eateth My Flesh and Drinketh My Blood Hath Eternal Life and i will Raise him Up at The Lastday For My Flesh is Meat indeed and My Blood is Drink Indeed He That Eateth My Flesh and Drinked my Blood Dwelleth in Me and i in Him as The Living Father Hath Sent Me and i Live by The Father so He That Eateth Me Even He shall Live By Me This Is That Bread Which Came Down From Heaven not as your Fathers did Eat Manna and Are Dead He That Eateth of This Bread shall Live For Ever , Matthew 26:26:28 , And as They Were Eating JesusTook Bread and Blessed it and brake it and gave it to The Discipels and said Take eat This is My body And He Took The Cup and Gave Thanks and gave it to them Saying Drink ye all of it For this is my Blood of the new Testament Which is Shed For Many For The Remission of Sins ,
    ___________________

    So here is a Question for you pam Fletcher which Jesus do you follow , The Antichrist Jesus false morning Star son of the dawn moon , hebrew Helal ben Sahar , Lucifer , The Light Bearer ? or the Real Jesus Christ whom is the real Morning star the offspring of Kind David

    Isaiah 14:12:14 _ Revelation 22:16
    Evrything is from the King Kames Version
    ____________

    Because yes indeed Satan is a Copy Cat imitator
    a False Messiah whom is the Spirit of the Antichrist walking and dwelling among many
    Including False Christianity

    2 Corinthians 11:3:4 _ 2 Corinthians 11:14:15
    _____________

    So Here is another Question for you out of Jesus his own mouth

    Matthew 26:26:28 , And as They Were Eating JesusTook Bread and Blessed it and brake it and gave it to The Discipels and said Take eat This is My body And He Took The Cup and Gave Thanks and gave it to them Saying Drink ye all of it For this is my Blood of the new Testament Which is Shed For Many For The Remission of Sins
    __________________

    While you pam Fletcher said to Trevor

    You you feast on a mixture of man teaching, Jesus teaching, man recorded history teaching, Mary teaching, Trevor teaching, etc… Don’t you see it?

    A malatov cocktail that blows up the simplicity of what’s written! Your confidence is in the cocktail!

    Cursed is the man that puts his trust in man, makes flesh his strength, and turns his heart from the Lord! (Jer.17:5)!!!! So many voices you can’t possibly know His! As the god of this world has designed it! Working like a charm, don’t you think!! His Word is His body and blood!
    ________________
    So Here is a Question from me what Mixture of man teaching
    Jesus teaching , What is it what you do not understand Pam
    What Jesus ordered us to do

    Matthew 26:26:28 , And as They Were Eating JesusTook Bread and Blessed it and brake it and gave it to The Discipels and said Take eat This is My body And He Took The Cup and Gave Thanks and gave it to them Saying Drink ye all of it For this is my Blood of the new Testament Which is Shed For Many For The Remission of Sins

    (Do this in Remembrance of me) ,>>> Bread and Wine

    Because i guess you are foolish of King Salomon his wisdom words as well , What Jesus christ gave to him as a warning for mankind ,
    Proverbs 15:10:14 _ Proverbs 18:2:8 _ Proverbs 1:30:31
    ____________________________________

    So which table are you eating Pam ?
    Beware for Jesus one’s have said

    John 5:19:47 , John 10:1:18

    In The greek the Word Verily Verily is Correctly Translated which means beware beware , Which is the same as Verily Verily ,

    Just a warning Pam Fletcher for i Only try to help To show you what the Scripure says , Because Jesus lives not inside a book his book is Guided by the Holy Ghost written by men whom had the Holyghost and only be asking Jesus what we dont understand of the Scriptures he helps us to understand it by the indwelling by the Holyghost were by we are Sealed

    Are you Sealed ? , I dont know but the Holyghost is always Giving a Woe how apostate the Church may be the Holyghost is always giving a Woe , The word Woe means Warning

    Anyway takecare

  • “God says in the last days men won’t tolerate sound doctrine!! ”

    Why pick on men only. You are a woman and you too do not heed to sound doctrine.

  • “You say I haven’t even tried to refute what you said! That is all I do! Definition of refute; to prove to be false or to be in error!!”

    Thats what you wrote Pam. You stated that is all you do is refute. Right?

    Why then have you not refuted this:

    “It was the Catholic Church, in a major Church Council, that put together the Bible in one single book in the 4th Century! That is a historical fact. You don’t deal in fact. You deal in Pam Fletcher”-ism.”

    Have you approved or denied this? That you Bible comes from the Catholic approved books? The Four Gospels were selected from amongst over thirty gospels. So you yourself read what the Catholic Church approved.

    No you have not refuted this and neither did you address this or even spent a minute to study this.

    He asked you:

    “So, Christ failed to build His Church? The Holy Spirit failed to guard and guide the Church since Christ’s ascension to the Father until Pam Fletcher showed up to correct us all?”

    We asked you to show us from the first to the fifteenth century names of Christians who believe as you do.

    Have you refuted our quest? Have you provided the names of Christians who approve your interpretations? No.

    Where are these names Fletcher?

    You either begin to refute or see the exit door. We had enough people here belaboring like grasshoppers.

    I will await your refutation to my quest here and if I do not receive it, please then kindly see exit door.

  • Grandmere

    He died to give us a book???

  • Ha ha. Enjoy and I look forward to your contributions.

  • Vinny Zee

    It is interesting that he would not consider himself Protestant and he’s anti-Catholic. What is he then (in his own eyes)? This is where the “non-denominational” stuff flows from. They see Catholics and Protestants as having denominations and consider themselves simply “Christians following Christ.” Non-Denominational Christians believe they have removed all the obstacles and barriers from keeping people from knowing the true Christ they have found. It is interesting, among some of the outlying Evangelical denominations, even those such as “independent Baptist” “Evangelical Free” and certain Pentecostal denominations, many of them do not even follow their founding documents, decrees or beliefs. Most of these denominations, though they carry the flag of their particular bent, do not really associate themselves with them and just consider themselves “non-denominational.” This really is the continued muddled mess of post-modernism and its deconstructionist views and tendencies that are influencing so many areas of life. Many newer age churches look more like free flowing art studios “expressing” the creativity of the attendees. If there are any traditional churches around, many of them are empty, run down and not catering to the needs of the hip, millennial, post-modern “seeker-sensitive” church attender.

    The megachurch style that drew in the baby boomer is disappearing. The eclectic, hippy style-free form coffee shop type gathering, with ever changing expressions of creativity is drawing in the millennial generation. Generation Xers are being passed over and often find themselves stuck between two self-absorbed generations. They are the ones who often find the ancient church, appreciate her history and theology and carefully consider whether she lends for the truth and stability so absent in the megachurch and post-modern movements.

  • Vinny Zee

    Start slow. Take time to consider their wisdom. You will not grasp the mystery of God, his revelation, the nature of Christ, etc over night. Some doctrines developed over long periods, even centuries. Not all of them can be grasped all at once. I am always happy to share with you.

  • Vinny Zee

    I was not alluding to the fact that 100% of that generation had that type of entitlement, or feeling they needed too. My point was that some of the upheaval that lives within Protestantism today (and the reaction against it) was driven by a number of decisions that were defined by that generation. Every generation has its ups and downs.

  • Vinny Zee

    The point I was making, and I get this from a lot of research I had done on the megachurch movement, was that much of the megachurch movement was a response to the needs and desires of what the baby boomer generation envisioned for Church. Along with that, much of the post-modern movement, (that really started in its infancy in the late 60’s) took full bloom in the 90’s and into the new millennium as a reaction against the megachurch movement. I do know some of what I am saying is only a synopsis as much can be said on this. This was my point when I said, “some of the upheaval that lives within Protestantism today (and the reaction against it) was driven by a number of decisions that were defined by that generation.”

    My main point ultimately is that the “post-modern” movement has, in my opinion, been a disaster for the protestants. However, it really came in response, to some extent, as a reaction against the megachurch and affluence those movements generated.

    • CTyank

      Interesting, Vinny. I hadn’t thought about it much other than to suppose that the changes in the ecclesiastical realm were simply part of the general degeneration of western culture.

  • racarrera

    Considering you worship the Bible over the teachers Christ appointed, you’re no different from the Taliban, except that your kind don’t have the guts to murder Christians anymore like you did in the 16th Century. Try that crap in Orthodox lands and you’d end up skewered.

  • “presumes that Muslims stretch the truth to fit this description. When in fact scientists and astronomers have discovered that the entire cosmos …”

    When the scientists collectively state and the news confirm saying “scientists and astronomers have discovered that the QURAN WAS CORRECT IN ITS REVELATION THAT THE entire cosmos …”

    Then talk to me. Until then, stop you spin it ain’t worth reading.

    The scientists are AVOIDING the Quran because they know its BULLSHIT since as soon as they see that man was made of a leach (or as you spin it, leach like substance bla bla bla) they flee and hit the hills.

    Good luck next time.

  • concerned american

    Hey Walid, I don’t know if any one has posted this but I just ran across it today. Just amazing. Here is a link from Irenaeus, “Against Heresies.”
    http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103124.htm

    And here are some excerpts of Irenaeus presenting the heresies of Saturninus and Basilides:

    Part of #1: “Man, too, was the workmanship of angels, a shining image bursting forth below from the presence of the supreme power; and when they could not, he says, keep hold of this, because it immediately darted upwards again, they exhorted each other, saying, Let us make man after our image and likeness. Genesis 1:26 He was accordingly formed, yet was unable to stand erect, through the inability of the angels to convey to him that power, but wriggled [on the ground] like a worm. Then the power above taking pity upon him, since he was made after his likeness, sent forth a spark of life, which gave man an erect posture, compacted his joints, and made him live. He declares, therefore, that this spark of life, after the death of a man, returns to those things which are of the same nature with itself, and the rest of the body is decomposed into its original elements.”

    Part of #2: “This heretic was the first to affirm that two kinds of men were formed by the angels—the one wicked, and the other good. And since the demons assist the most wicked, the Saviour came for the destruction of evil men and of the demons, but for the salvation of the good. They declare also, that marriage and generation are from Satan. 1 Timothy 4:3. Many of those, too, who belong to his school, abstain from animal food, and draw away multitudes by a feigned temperance of this kind.”

    Once again, more proof that there is no new thing under the sun.

    • Irenaeus was even predicting the coming of the Cathars. Who said that these could not prophecy? They can.

      ” They declare also, that marriage and generation are from Satan. 1 Timothy 4:3. Many of those, too, who belong to his school, abstain from animal food”

      How prophetic.

  • racarrera

    Congratulations, Muslim.

  • You really have no reading comprehension at all. I’m not wasting any more of my time with you.

  • Thanks Elizabeth,

    Glad to see you doing confession and communion. If you are up to a heftier read, you can spend some time in this one which is just as interesting as the one you read:

    http://shoebat.com/2017/05/14/the-most-amazing-bible-prophecies-that-will-blow-you-away-comes-to-light-revealing-who-in-the-church-will-join-the-antichrist-and-who-will-not/