The Abomination Of Desolation Spoken Of By Daniel Will Soon Be Implemented By Islam’s Antichrist And This Caused Me (Walid Shoebat) To Become CATHOLIC

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By Walid Shoebat (Shoebat Exclusive)

If I crossed the Jordan River why not cross the Tiber? ‘Why have you you crossed the Tiber?’  you might ask. The Eucharist has everything to do with the unfolding “abomination of desolation” spoken of by Daniel the prophet: “he will stop the sacrifice and grain offering“.

Daniel is speaking of the Eucharist.

I see this coming on the horizon after being sparked by the story about the Muslim Directorate of General of Religious Affairs (Diyanet) in Turkey, taking over the payment of salaries for all Christian priests and Jewish rabbis. This takes us back to the Maccabees and Antiochus and will give control to the future of this nearing Caliphate, not just in dictating church management to the point the services become an abomination to God, but to also prevent the sacrament of the Eucharist. Many of course, expect the abomination of desolation to spark in Jerusalem with a rebuilt Jewish temple.

In this, we will extensively discuss to show how the latter approach to prophecy is in complete error. The “Abomination of Desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet” is unclear to many, and by the time you carefully examine here, which will take some effort, it will be like the virgins with oil in their lamps who will finally understand precisely what they never understood: how scriptures gave us one simple key verse which Christ clearly pointed to in Daniel 9. This key unlocks much detail regarding Antichrist’s abomination that makes churches (not a Jewish temple) desolate and unfit for practice. Please, I implore everyone to read carefully, line by line … every jot, every tittle, every repetition. 

In this I pour sweat and blood, it is crucial to understand, the seven churches, seven lamp stands as well as the seat of the devil were as the New Testament taught, set in Asia Minor (Turkey), and not in Jerusalem Israel. It all begins and ends in Asia Minor to later Christ redeeming Jerusalem where all of Israel will call on His name.

2016 will yield much to monitor Turkey’s rise to a Caliphate system which its initiation was sparked when Hayrettin Karaman, Erdogan’s main Fatwa giver issued a declaration that should interest all prophecy researchers:

“What this [presidential system] looks like is the Islamic caliphate system in terms of its mechanism. In this system the people choose the leader, the Prince, and then all will pledge the Bay’ah [allegiance] to him”.

And now Turkey is beginning control of the Christian and Jewish religious institutions in prepping for doing what is to come: the Abomination of Desolation.

Here is how it all started. In Turkey, the management of priests’ salaries has been met by following archaic traditions that the community who are members of the church paid all salaries in accordance to biblical and church standards. But this is no more. It all started when a traitor named Nazaret Ozsahakyan, the head of an Armenian Church Foundation began to change the old order, the strict tradition were salaries are controlled by the church, Ozsahakyan made an appeal to the Islamic religious institution of Turkey called Diyanet, requesting they pay priests’ salaries instead of following the biblical order.

Of course, this was met with great opposition. How could one traitor determine the management of the entire Christian and Jewish community? The Greek Orthodox Patriarchate, Armenian, Syriac and Jewish communities appealed and said that they were glad to control their own religious affairs. They strongly objected to the state’s interference. Turkey’s Armenian Patriarchate rejected the idea of the Islamic religious institution paying priests’ salaries to be controlled by the state and sent an appeal to keep the old system in place. Turkey instead of respecting the the appeal, they rejected it. The state now, under Erdogan, will begin to control and dictate church practices as well to later establish an abominable act making church practices obsolete.

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Fener Greek Orthodox Patriarch Bartholomew desires to reinstitute Christian worship services in Christian cathedrals like Hagia Sophia. The patriarch worked diligently to restore services in İzmir’s Selçuk district, along with priests and the faithful from Greece and Russia, to preside over religious services at the Meryem Ana Church, a historic Byzantine structure in Ephesus where Mary is believed to have spent her final years with St. John before its conversion to a church.

Now it will all be controlled by the Diyanet (Muslim religious authority in Turkey) as the latest news confirmDiyanet was created in 1924 to replace the Ottoman Sheikh al-Islam, the mufti with the authority to confirm new sultans and caliphs and who also serve as chief legal adviser to the soon to be Caliph Erdogan.

This is similar to when the prior wounded beast, the Antichrist of the time, Sultan Mehemed II, when after the conquest of Constantinople, Sultan Mehmed adopted the imperial title Kayser-i-Rûm “Caesar of Rome,” approved of the election of a traitor, Gennadius Scholarius as patriarch of Constantinople and made sure that he was given generous salary ensuring control of Christian priests to follow Chrislam where the two would have warm and fuzzy discussions on bringing Christianity and Islam closer together.

What we see today as Chrislam, this abominable combination of the two, were many say “we worship the same god” is nothing new. Scholarius was a staunch antagonist of the West and the Catholic Church and was enthroned as the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople-New Rome by the Sultan himself in 1454 A.D. and in turn Gennadius II recognized Mehmed the Conqueror as successor to the throne. Mehmed also had a blood lineage to the Byzantine Imperial family; his predecessor, Sultan Orhan I had married a Byzantine princess, and Mehmed claimed descent from John Tzelepes Komnenos. Erdogan’s origin is from Christian Georgia and like Mehemd, did not honor the God of his fathers (the Christian God).

This control we see today will only escalate to mimmic what that beast did before it got the deadly wound as we see this new Ottoman revival which we spoke about two decades ago when I was Baptist and now you see it just as we said you will as I cross the Tiber.

It is for this reason I appeal to the churches, this study is crucial and will delve into understanding what this “abomination of desolation” is all about and how it is not all what many say. So few even understand the meaning, because they do not correctly connect all the biblical and historic references.

To begin with, most ignore linking all the other verses to this very crucial biblical reference which Jesus warned we watch for this abomination as “spoken of by Daniel the prophet” to happen in Judea and all over Christendom under the control of Antichrist. This instruction would be to study Daniel 9:27:

“And he will enter into a binding and irrevocable covenant with the many for one week (seven years), but in the middle of the week he will stop the sacrifice and grain offering [for the remaining three and one-half years]; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until the complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who causes the horror.” (Daniel 9:27)

As to the “covenant” we recently explained this here. What few recognize is this: what is this “grain offering”? This is our subject here which cracks open a multitude of mysteries and corrects all sorts of misconceptions.

This key resolves the whole issue, but first, while we can clearly see that an “allegiance” spoken by Daniel is very likely the Islamic Bay’at (allegiance to the Caliph) which is Islam’s foundation for a caliphate, where the Muslim world must pledge “allegiance” to him. Al-Bagdadi of ISIS was never able to achieve this as his  caliphate was completely rejected by the Muslim religious authority worldwide. This is not the same case with Erdogan where he is accepted by the highest institution of the Muslim Brotherhood who are his puppet. This is the hallmark of the Antichrist as John declared:

“but the fatal wound [of the empire] was healed! The whole world marveled at this miracle [how it revived] and gave allegiance to the beast” (Revelation 13:3).

And here, this man who is given allegiance to is also called “The Prince”, exactly what Erdogan’s mufti, Hayrettin Karaman titled Erdogan, and is the same title predicted in Daniel 9:26 “the prince” and is happening where Christ Himself said that the seven churches and seven lamp stands including the seat of the devil (Antichrist) is in Pergamum, that is Asia Minor and is no doubt today’s Turkey.

No where in scripture does it insist on Israel re-instituting Temple sacrificial system in Jerusalem and is the reason why many do not see it. Even when one argues that the abomination of desolation happens at a rebuilt temple, notice carefully what Daniel says:

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) (Matthew 24:15)

Notice that there is no temple of any kind, no building structure mentioned in this passage. Therefore, it is not a Jewish physical temple being referred to by Jesus here, but that Jesus is referring to either the area the temple was originally built at or to the city of Jerusalem itself or to another holy place altogether or the church as whole or Christians going apostate defiling their body with the abominable mark of the beast or even all these as a whole. Neither Daniel 9:27, or Daniel 11:31 where it says “they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength” which is not committed by a singular person as in the Antichrist, but by his multitudes “they” (also see Matthew 24:15-16).

But what about the always quoted verse: “He as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God” in 2 Thessalonians 2?

First of all, this does not specify Jerusalem and the Jews do not worship the Son who is the Temple of God. How could this be the Temple of Christ? Is it perhaps another type of temple or a Christian temple? Even the “glorious holy mountain” in Daniel 11:44-45 is not necessarily God’s true holy mountain, according to Barnes’ Notes“… it is also true, that, so far as the language is concerned, it might be applied to any other mountain or mountainous region that was distinguished for beauty, and that was regarded as sacred, or in any way consecrated to religion. I see no objection, therefore, to the supposition, that this may be understood of some mountain or elevated spot which was held as sacred to religion, or where a temple was reared for worship, and hence, it may have referred to some mountain, in the vicinity of some temple dedicated to idol worship, where Antiochus would pitch his tent for the purpose of rapine and plunder”. This could also be Satan’s throne in Turkey: “And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write, ‘These things says He who has the sharp two-edged sword: “I know your works, and where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is.  And you hold fast to My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days in which Antipas was My faithful martyr, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells.  (Revelation 2:12-13, NKJV)

So many ignore, that to God, from a New Covenant perspective, that the old testament levitical system can never be accepted as fulfillment (as we shall explain in detail) which God in Malachi made absolutely clear. Please carefully read:

“Oh that there were one among you who would shut the gates, that you might not uselessly kindle fire on My altar! I am not pleased with you,” says the Lord of hosts, “nor will I accept an offering from you. For from the rising of the sun even to its setting, My name will be great among the nations [gentiles], and in every place incense is going to be offered to My name, and a grain offering that is pure; for My name will be great among the nations [gentiles],” says the Lord of hosts. (Malachi 1:10-11)

This “pure grain offering” links directly to the same “grain offering” in Daniel’s prophecy which Christ instructed us to carefully pay attention to, where Antichrist will stop the “grain offering”. What Malachi prophesied was that basically God will do away with the old sacrificial offering and that God will reach out to the “nations” (the gentiles) with a new system in observing a “grain offering that is pure” and even including “incense” which will be “daily” accomplished from “the rising of the sun even to its setting”. Such daily practice is done as a “sacrificial” system is only practiced under apostolic-succession type churches.

Malachi tells us that animal sacrifices will be no more, and the new offering will be grain sacrifice.

With this in our minds we need to examine the story of Jesus picking wheat in the fields on the Sabbath where  Scriptures say:

“One Sabbath he was going through the grainfields, and as they made their way, his disciples began to pluck heads of grain.”  (Mark 2:23)

When the Pharisees questioned this, Christ told them:

“Have you never read what David did, when he was in need and was hungry, he and those who were with him: how he entered the house of God, in the time of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the bread of the Presence, which it is not lawful for any but the priests to eat, and also gave it to those who were with him?” (Mark 2:25-26)

Notice that our Lord mentions here, this bread is not just any bread, but was “the bread of the Presence”.

The presence of what? The presence of God. This bread was also in the Ark of the Covenant, where God was present. The Disciples were picking grain, which would be the ingredient for the “grain offering,” the Sacrifice in the Last Supper. It is this same Sacrifice of which Christ said, “This is my body, which is given for you.” (Luke 22:19) 

Both the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church declare that the Real “Presence” of the Christ-God is in the Eucharist, which is that grain sacrifice prophesied by the prophet Malachi; and this Real Presence, this is what Christ foretold when He referenced “the bread of the Presence” which David had eaten.   

Christ defied the tyrannical Pharisees when His Disciples were picking grain from the field, as if to say, “Your priesthood is over. You see these Disciples? this is the new priesthood and this is the new temple. This grain they are picking, this is the new sacrifice.”

It can’t get any clearer than this: this is the Communion bread, the Eucharist, the very sacrament done by only apostolic-succession type churches.

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Therefore, I will not address the arguments of transubstantiation vs. consubstantiation, Jesus made it clear and Paul condemns the “unrighteous” as having the spirit of “debate” (Romans 1:29). 

Instead, I will direct a Jesus-style challenge to all who are anti-transubstantiation, that is, the daily sacrifice of the Eucharist, they argue, is re-sacrificing Christ. If this is true, the challenge to the common Messianic assumption, regarding Daniel 9, that if such ‘abomination’ will occur only at a rebuilt Temple by the Jews, for this to become true I ask: how could non-apostolic-succession accuse apostolic-succession believers of re-sacrificing Christ when they are accepting the re-institution of Jews re-sacrificing the Messiah who had already come?

We can’t have it both ways. If this is the case, as westerners say “what should be good for the geese (the Jews) should it not also be good for the ganders (apostolic succession churches)?

It is therefore equally astonishing to see these argue, that Jesus was “sacrifice for sin once and for all” as if this debunks transubstantiation, then they turn and support the re-institutution of another literal sacrificial system in the supposed rebuilt temple in Jerusalem.

How could it be possible that if we accept a re-institution of Israel’s old sacrificial system that we have in Malachi a cancelation of it by God Almighty? “One among you [the Jews],” is the Messiah “who would shut the gates” where “I [that is God] will not accept an offering from you [Israel]”.

So here God completely replaces Israel’s sacrificial system, then according to the folly, to only re-institute it in Ezekiel’s temple in Jerusalem?

God never contradicts Himself.

One cannot ignore the verses in Malachi, this is Israel’s sacrificial system in a literal sense, that was made null and void to be replaced by another, a new one, the “grain offering” which was extended to the gentiles, which is also the purist sacrificial system in a literal sense in the form of a “pure grain offering” without the slaughter of animals. 

The reason many reject this is because a “daily” “grain offering” that is considered a sacrificial system is only and exclusively practiced by apostolic succession type churches. Malachi clearly speaks of a sacrificial offering and I am bound to tell the truth regardless of my own personal prejudices when I was taught by the Baptist church.

If it is literal temple sacrifices in Jerusalem, that scripture alludes to, the other Jesus style question is this: how could non-apostolic succession churches accept such “sacrifice” be used metaphorically, from a new covenant perspective, while Israel, so they say, will re-institute temple sacrifices literally and from an old covenant perspective?

Even perhaps if our Jesus-style questions here are still not convincing or convicting, let us even delve into Ezekiel’s vision of the Temple (Ezekiel 40-44) which we will address first before we get into the meaty subject on how Islam will fulfill this “abomination of desolation”.

Astonishingly Ezekiel’s temple, in Ezekiel 42:13-14, even links to the same key element in Daniel’s prophecy regarding the “grain offering” as a “meat offering” and a “sin offering” even including “priestly garments”:

… where the priests that approach unto the LORD shall eat the most holy things: there shall they lay the most holy things, and the meat offering, and the sin offering, and the trespass offering; for the place is holy. When the priests enter therein, then shall they not go out of the holy place into the utter court, but there they shall lay their garments wherein they minister; for they are holy; and shall put on other garments, and shall approach to those things which are for the people.

Daniel 9, “daily grain sacrificial offering” is in the strictest sense also in Ezekiel, if these sacrifices are a “memorial” as many claim to only be “do this in remembrance of Me” why then it is a “sin offering”? This would means that they too, the non-apostolic-succession would have to make an exception to also accept a ‘re-sacrifice of Christ’. Yet they reject this because they do not believe that a sin offering is necessary since once-saved always saved.

It becomes impossible therefore to ignore or refute; this is the daily sacrifice of the mass regardless how many of us in the non-apostolic denominations object. Only these have a “daily offering”. Joel 1 &2 confirms “an offering” to being the case even at the time just prior to Christ’s coming on “the day of the Lord” when Antichrist would have stopped the daily sacrifice:

“The grain offering and the drink offering. Have been cut off from the house of the LordThe priests mourn, who minister to the Lord … Alas for the day! For the day of the Lord is at hand; It shall come as destruction from the Almighty.”

And amazingly here in Joel, like Daniel, Joel is speaking of the technical (literal) application, tells us as well, not only of the “grain offering” (Eucharist) but also of the “drink offering” (the wine).

While when scripture speaks technicality, it is precise, no animal sacrifice, while when it speaks  allegorically, as in Ezekiel, there is a symbolic animal sacrificial offering. To ensure that this is regarding the end times, Joel confirms the abolition of communion just prior to Christ’s second coming: “the day of the Lord is at hand”.  This happens 3.5 years, just prior to Christ’s coming.

In other words, the Caliphate is established stemming from Turkey with an allegiance for this coming presidency (caliphate) where Muslims give allegiance to this man of sin for a seven year term, and in the midst of it, Islam’s aspiration for Jihad rejuvenates and Sharia will be implemented where wine is forbidden and by extension of this Sharia law, churches throughout are prohibited from observing communion.

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So if communion was not as essential as some claim, how is it that Christ warned of this event “stopping the grain offering” as the abomination where it makes holy worship desolate and the sacrificial system obsolete?

In addition, only an apostolic succession style churches insist on real wine while non-apostolic-succession do away with it. So many fail to link Joel with Daniel which in Joel 2: “Who knows if He will turn and relent, And leave a blessing behind Him—A grain offering and a drink offering For the Lord your God?”

The “drink offering” has always been wine.

In regards to a rebuilt temple, one key to unlock everything and end this argument once and for all, is to see where when Jesus said ‘Destroy this Temple and in three days I will raise it up.’ Then the Jews said, ‘This Temple was forty-six years building, and will you rear it up in three days?’

Jesus Himself was that temple, while the confused, just as I used to be, were speaking of a literal temple. When it comes to heavenly issues, always think in reverse of what the earthly carnal minds think; the ways of God are not the ways of man.

And so lets examine all the divisive argumentation regarding Ezekiel’s Temple and see; Daniel, Ezekiel and even John, were all speaking of the same temple making clear this is not an earthly temple on the Temple Mount, where Ezekiel’s temple, if one takes the literal measures, its about one square mile, larger than the entire ancient walled city of Jerusalem, and the holy portion for priests and Levites (about 40 by 50 miles) would cover an area ten times the circumference of Jerusalem. And if this temple is what some group in Israel called the Temple Institute are planning to build with all the implements, of lamp stand and altar of incense, Ezekiel’s temple has no showbread, no golden lamp stand, no altar of incense, no vail covering the entrance of the holy of holies and even no ark. For this temple to be rebuilt by some Temple Institute in Israel, these non-apostolics must first convince this Jewish group to follow Ezekiel’s design, which spiritually matches Christian theology, and as it appears, these Jews will refuse to do this in order to please non-apostolic Christians just to win an argument.

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Ezekiel’s temple, its altar is approached by steps from the east (Ezekiel 43:17) where steps previously were forbidden because of nakedness, yet here, the Lord has removed our nakedness, or perhaps better put, we’re in a state of nakedness now as were Adam and Eve before they sinned, the east gate was shut and now its open and there is no shame.

No matter how one slices and dices the verses, objections abound, because many believe they can fully comprehend God’s mysteries which these frequently ignore. Many literalize Ezekiel’s Temple while others completely spiritualize it. This is done because many today ignore the ancient golden rule: the ancient church interpreted using the standard they call “the two senses” by applying both the spiritual and the literal.

The Eucharist, for example, can be defined in the ‘two senses’ – one as the actual celebration of remembering the last supper of Jesus (the Rite/Sacrament) as well as the bread and wine which is consecrated and through transubstantiation becomes the body and blood of Christ.

The temple is said to “make atonement for the house of Israel” (45:17) and this excludes it from being just a memorial (not that its not). Again, Christ Himself instituted the use of wine and bread to both commemorate His death (1 Cor. 11:24–26) and to be consumed literally. Unless one understands this duality, we should expect more divisions in the church as if there is not enough which Christ warned never  to do.

For Christ to re-institute animal sacrifice upon His return defies scripture where God replaced animal sacrifices in which God never found any particular pleasure (Ps. 40:6; 51:16; Heb. 10:6). Even the “prince” they speak about who enters the temple, Ezekiel says that “the prince” will offer a sin offering “for himself and for all the people” (45:22). This prince cannot be what many believe as the Messiah. Ezekiel’s prince is required to offer sacrifices for his own sins, this would militate against any theory that identifies him with Christ, who never sinned. So obviously, this is the church’s leader.

Is it possible then that this temple is a centralized worship in a specified geographical place? How could this be, especially when Jesus announced to the Samaritan woman that levitical temple worship will end and be replaced with spiritual worship (John 4:21–24; cf. Acts 7:48–50)? The folly always occurs when we either strictly spiritualize or completely literalize Ezekiel’s text.

And besides this reference, the New Testament clearly defined what this temple is, and at times it is also defined as the Christian:

Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? (1 Corinthian 3:16)

If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. (1 Corinthians 3:17)

What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? (1 Corinthians 6:19)

And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. (2 Corinthians 6:16)

This is also found in Ephesians 2:19-22, Acts 7:44-50, Matthew 12:6, Hebrews 8:1-2, 1 Peter 2:4-6, Revelation 14:1.

This is why it is crucial to go back to Christ when He said “this is My body” and “do this in remembrance of me”. Such references are interpreted using the “two senses”. So just as we see in Ezekiel’s temple, a literal sense is applied with memorial as well, this temple is both and is speaking of the church in its fullest even during the kingdom and the heavenly temple. While many say Ezekiel speaks of an earthly Temple to come, but we say he speaks of the Temple, that is now, and the one that will continue, and the one that Christ cleanses from after the Antichrist inflicts it as He returns making the church His bride.

It is the latter that confuses many since the context includes the entire frame of time from the inception of the church to Christ finally coming down to rule it. Until interpreters can fathom a heavenly temple, then they can expound. Ezekiel predicts Christ’s new order, which, unlike the old order, is permanent and so is the temple, the priesthood and the sacrifices are spiritually applied (1 Pet. 2:5) but this is in regards to actual substance.

It is for this reason, that the mystery of Communion is also the literal presence of Christ. There is no escape, since even the temple had the Shekinah Glory of God literally residing in the temple, in the tabernacle, upon the ark of the covenant, and so will this be through communion which without this “grain offering” we have “an abomination of desolation” as Daniel said and is why the devil hates the Eucharist and has many virgins without oil follow a lie.

The old tabernacle, or any earthly tabernacle for that matter, can never be established since it was a type and shadow of “heavenly things” as described in Hebrews 8 which settles the issue for it needs no explanation:

We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by a mere human being.”

Christ is then the center of Ezekiel’s temple and it is not built “by a mere human being”:

 “Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices, and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer. If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests who offer the gifts prescribed by the law. They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven … But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises. For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another … By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.”

What “will soon disappear” means what it says, it will go away, never to re-appear again, no matter who tries and is why Israel today has no temple since its destruction in 70AD. These modern interpretations will cause many to miss the Antichrist and like the virgins without oil, they are caught off guard when the Bridegroom commeth to defeat him. Everything in these false interpretations is setting up the lazy servant and the five virgins with no oil to fall. This is why apostolic-succession churches like Orthodox Russia to these become “Gog and Magog” and is why the  (Catholic) is made “harlot” and “Antichrist”; where the “seven mountains” are literal mountains in Vatican instead of being Muslim kingdoms. This is why, the real Gog and Magog (literal Turkey), is given a clean bill as an “ally of the U.S”. This is why wine is symbolized and grape juice is consumed instead. This is why sacrifice is undermined and works is frowned upon, and Christ’s sacrifice is sold for non-sacrificial easy believism; there is where we find a definite segregation between the lazy and the prudent, the virgins with oil and without, the sheep from the goats. It all makes perfect sense. It is a crucial question as to why so many err and always allegorize literals and literalize allegories where at times evil is made holy and holy is made evil.

The gist of the Book of Hebrews is regarding the temple which is this new covenant, the covenant with the church, both Jew and Gentile, and will eventually include the whole house of Israel upon Christ’s return as Ezekiel covers in his theme from beginning to end. He was speaking of the church including the end of days and the coming of the Lord. There can never be another covenant with the house of Israel; does God make null and void the new covenant? Impossible. 

Ezekiel must be viewed as John in Revelation. It is crucial to see that Ezekiel had a vision: “In the visions of God He brought me into the land of Israel and set me on a very high mountain” (Ezekiel 40:2).

Is this a literal mountain? Yes and no. John in Revelation also saw a vision when he was taken to the desert and there he saw a woman, a beast with seven heads and ten horns, but was this a literal woman, literal heads and literal horns? Perhaps the desert is just as the mountain can be literal. It is therefore crucial to recognize where the literals are and where the metaphor is. Ezekiel was called “the creator of symbolism”.

However, there is ample evidence that we should reconcile “I have set My King on My holy hill of Zion” (Ps 2:6) and that Christ stands literally on the Mount of Olives and there is a literal battle as well (Ezekiel 38) to end all battles, and there is also a new world order: the Kingdom of Christ and the New City coming down from heaven.

We also have a river: “It was a river that I could not cross, for the water was too deep, water in which one must swim, a river that could not be crossed. He said to me: ‘Son of Adam, have you seen this?.’ Then he brought me and returned me to the bank of the river”(Ez 47:5-6). John in Revelation 22, reflects on the same scenery: “And he showed me a pure river of Water of Life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.” While Ezekiel could not yet cross this river since Messiah has no yet come in his time, and when He did come, the Messiah made it clear to John this water comes from Christ: “He who believes on Me, as the Scripture has said, “Out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.”’ This river also resembles baptism, which embraces the inhabitants of the world, peoples and nations, who come from everywhere (East, west, north, and south). He saw “fish of the same kinds as the fish of the Great Sea; exceedingly many” (Ez 47:10, 22, 23); a reference to the entrance of the Gentiles into the eternal.

If this temple was a literal temple, John makes it clear that “there will be no night there. And they need no lamp, or light of the sun; for the Lord God gives them light.” (Revelation 22:5) “And I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty is its Temple, even the Lamb. And the City [Heavenly Jerusalem] had no need of the sun, nor of the moon, that they might shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it, and its lamp is the Lamb.” (Revelation 22:22-23)

John’s temple is the same temple Ezekiel declared all with its “gates”: “And its gates may not be shut at all by day, for there shall be no night there.” (v.25)

Ezekiel’s Temple can be summarized from the New Testament: “For having been drawn to Him, a living Stone, indeed rejected by men, but elect, precious with God; you also as living stones are built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ” (1 Peter 2:4-5 MKJV).

From the beginning of the Book of Ezekiel in chapter one, we read of the same theme regarding the four creatures and the chariot resembling the Holy Spirit. We ought not to ignore that “When the Living Creatures went, the wheels went beside them; and when the Living Creatures were lifted up …” Ezekiel even explains it “Wherever the Spirit wanted to go, they went, because there the Spirit went; …” (Ez. 1:15-20)

This is exactly what Christ spoke of the Holy Spirit describing Him as the wind: “where the wind blows”. This “storm wind,” is the same fiery wind is brought to the shore – namely to the great day of the Lord, the whirlwind which will segregate sheep from goats, just as it was in the day of the Pentecost, as the whirlwind blew, it granted the Church the Spirit of discernment, not to condemn the wicked outside it, but to spiritually judge those inside it. Such wind is what Christ spoke of “The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit” (John 3:8). It is no wonder why in the Semitic language “wind” and “spirit” sound the same: Ruah (Hebrew) Riyah/Rouh (Arabic).

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Qubat Al-Arwah (Dome of the Spirit) where many believe was the spot of the holy of holies.

Ezekiel even ends his book by a description of the coming temple that came as a symbolic image of the heavenly temple or the higher Jerusalem, similar to the way it came in the book of Revelation.

If this is a literal temple, then this “fiery chariot” and “wheels” is a literal UFO, and the “four living creatures” are actual man, ox, eagle and lion. Why not also insist on the construction of wheels the color of Beryl, and all four must be the same likeness were a wheel must be in the middle of a wheel with rims were full of eyes and when the Living Creatures were lifted up from the earth, the man, ox, eagle and lion, that the wheels are also lifted up?

It was Christ, not some temple institute, who builds Ezekiel’s temple: “He took me there, and behold, there was a man whose appearance was like the appearance of bronze. He had a line of flax and a measuring rod in His hand, and He stood in the gateway” (Ez 40:3) and in John’s Revelations “His feet were like fine brass, as if refined in a furnace” (Rev 1:15) standing in the gateway, proclaims that there is no entry into that holy city except by Him; as He is “the Way, the Truth, and the Life.” He cries out: “I am the Door, if anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture” (John 10:9). “There is no salvation in any other” (Acts 4:12).

This temple has three gates which symbolize the Trinity, the main gate, entrance facing east (Christ) as it is the one leading to the sanctuary and the Holy of the Holies. The other two, one facing north and another facing south; with the same measurements like the one facing east; all three are equal. Ezekiel’s book symbolize the Holy Trinity; Father (His throne), Son, and the Holy Spirit. God’s throne is described in metaphor: “And above the firmament over their heads, was the likeness of a throne …” (we ought to start at chapter 1 and not 40) to end in His heavenly temple and tabernacle. This is the holy city – the higher Jerusalem, man finally uniting with God the Father in His Son through His Holy Spirit. These gates are twelve and are the same twelve gates of the heavenly Jerusalem (Rev 21:13) even in Matthew “Many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven” (Mat 8:11).

This settles this whole issue, especially when we connect the consecration of the altar, a daily sacrifice should be offered for 7 days (Ez 43:25) just as Malachi prophesied “from the rising of the sun to its setting”. This is what apostolic-succession churches do where communion is offered as a “sacrifice” daily.

Ezekiel mentions the eastern gate; but it was shut; and the Lord confirms to him: “This gate shall be shut; It shall not be opened, and no man shall enter by it, because the Lord God of Israel has entered by it; therefore it shall be shut. As for the prince, because He is the prince, he may sit in it to eat bread before the Lord; he shall enter by way of the vestibule of the gateway, and go out the same way”(Ez 44:2-3). What is the shut gate, through which the Lord entered, and goes out, and will stay shut, but the undefiled virginal womb of St. Mary; in which the Lord came to incarnate from her by the Holy Spirit? She gave birth to Him, proving that her virginity remained sealed and is why St. Mary could be a mother and a virgin at the same time and she even returns as the “Ark of the Temple”:

Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple. And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars” (Revelation 11:19-12:1)

Here we have an “ark” coming from this temple, who is a “woman” “crowned” as a Queen stomping the devil and the red dragon. If this woman is strictly Israel or the church, as they say, how can the dragon be angry at the woman [the Church] and then makes war on her offspring who are also the Church? The woman and her offspring are separate individuals of mother and Son. It is here that we must apply the “two senses” and even “three senses” since it is also the church and redeemed Israel in metaphor.

Ezekiel first talked about the gate through which the Lord entered; then about those who minister in the new temple; introducing a special law for them, that fits their work and their priestly mission.

Besides the issues regarding Mary, and I am familiar with all the objections, we must now return to our original case study: the abomination of desolation. It is what defiles the believer’s temple as sin cannot be cleansed without confession and Eucharist (grain offering) both together.

This then relates to the forgiveness of sin. How else must the prophecy of John 20 be fulfilled:

Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” And with that he breathed on them and said, Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

There is that “breath” this “wind” again and then the institution of the absolution of sin is granted. It shuns the argument of non-apostolics who can never answer unless they twist: how can mere men forgive sin?

It is not mere men who forgive, but Christ being one with His church whom He authorized to give the daily grain sacrifice and the absolution of sin. It is not the Church itself that forgives (yet it does), but Christ forgiving through the Church.

The whole story of Daniel, Ezekiel, Joel, Malachi with the “grain offering” is definitely the Eucharist, which defies what non-apostolics say, that according to the words of Christ in the gospel, is to be strictly taken with only a remembrance of Him. This can never be just for remembrance only, but it is also his body and blood as it is stated in Daniel 9 “he will stop the sacrifice and grain offering” altogether which is done daily, not only once a month or every other Sunday as non-apostolics do.

Daniel here uses the term “sacrifice” not “remembrance”. This is the same sacrifice which was offered by the apostles, and in all Christian ages; and is this same sacrifice, according to the prophecy of Malachi 1:11 shall be offered in “all nations to the end of the world“. This doctrine and practice was witnessed by as far back as the ancient Fathers and interpreters. (1)

The Jesus-style question is this: was the church doing all this in error for fifteen centuries and Christ failed to implement “I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it” especially when in Matthew 28:20 Jesus said “I am with you always, even to the end of the age“?

This is impossible to answer unless we accept an apostolic succession view where Christ will continue this institution “even to the end of the age”.

The “abomination of desolation,” is it an end time sign, which will be visually seen, and it will stand in the “Holy Place” at some Christian Temple like Hagia Sohpia in Istanbul or the Vatican or the Temple Mount platform? We should never discount such an act.

Indeed, the “abomination of desolation,” will become absolutely knowable. But to know what it is, it is impossible to avoid 1 and 2 Machabees, which are rejected by non-apostolic succession churches, which explains the apostasy of the Jews and their hierarchy that began in reality with the ascension to the throne of Antiochus IV Epiphanes (175 B.C.) Christ who also added, “he that readeth, let him understand” (Mark 13:12; Matt 24:15), He is admonishing us to read.

What Daniel mentions, Maccabees, contains the detail of such an “abomination of desolation” and we need to pay close attention: one at the time of the Maccabees; and one in the very last days. We have two references and a third at the time of the 1st Jewish revolt 66 A.D.- 73 A.D. In Maccabees 1:57-60 it reads:

On the fifteenth day of the month Casleu, in the hundred and forty-fifth year, king Antiochus set up the abominable idol of desolation upon the altar of God, and they built altars throughout all the cities of Juda round about: And they burnt incense, and sacrificed at the doors of the houses, and in the streetsAnd they cut in pieces, and burnt with fire the books of the law of God: And every one with whom the books of the testament of the Lord were found, and whosoever observed the law of the Lord, they put to death, according to the edict of the king.

According to Josephus, it was Jupiter. When any Christian minister or scholar speaks of the Maccabees, pretty much all they say is that Antiochus killed a poor pig in the Temple. But there are so many details on the religion of Antiochus and his war against the Maccabees that bring us beyond just the slaughter of a pig. What none of these teachers know or teach, is that once we study thoroughly the religion of Antiochus, what we find is that his god is Allah, the god of the Antichrist religion: Islam. The religion which Antiochus enforced was not fully Greek but in reality had its origins in Syria and Asia Minor, the very seat of Antichrist. He wanted the Jews to worship “Zeus Hellenius” (2). Zeus is identified as Zeus-Haddad, and his priests in Syria were referred to as “Abd-Haddad,” or “servant of Haddad.” And we cannot forget that Allah is a counterpart of Zeus and is one and the same with Haddad. History records that Haddad has a semitic meaning (Arabic,  هداد) means thunder and destroyer, he was the “warring God” with the two horned crescent and was worshipped in ancient Asia Minor and by the Trojans and the Hittites.

According to Muslim scholar Reza Aslan, both Allah and Zeus were counterpart deities. (3)  Haddad was the husband of Athtar, and so was Allah the male counterpart to this Arabian goddess Allat which is the feminine root for Allah. The hint is also found in the Bible “Sin-B-Allat” in Nehemiah 4:7 where he became an obstacle to God’s temple which today the servants of Allah are also the obstacle to God’s temple, the church. Macrobius wrote of how the Assyrian Adad was the husband to Atargatis (Saturnalia 1.23.18, trans. Robert A. Kaster), who is the same as her south Arabian prototype Athtar. This makes both Haddad and Allah one and the same. The ancient scholar Lucian equated the Hittite Haddad with  Zeus, which makes Allah one with Zeus, Lucian equated Haddad with Zeus in his Syrian Goddess. (4)

What this means, then, is that the Holy War of the Maccabees, in which they fought Antiochus and his god, foreshadows the coming Holy War that will be fought between Christendom vs. Allah and his followers.

Therefore, the Muslim Antichrist will do the same as in Maccabees “set up the abominable idol of desolation upon the altar of God” is what Muslims already do. This could happen in a Christian temple like Hagia Sophia or even in all the churches under his control. It was Erdogan who promoted celebration of the Turkish conquest that turned Constantinople into Istanbul: “Conquest is the removal of shackles on doors and in hearts,” he said to mark the 561st anniversary of the Byzantine defeat. “Civilization comes with conquest,” he added.

This is a man of war honoring a god of war (Daniel 11). And just as in Maccabees, “and they built altars throughout all the cities of Juda round about” the Muslims will built altars (mosques) throughout all the cities of Judea and in christendom all round about. 

And just as in Maccabees ” … sacrificed at the doors of the houses, and in the streets” Muslims usually do the same on Eid Al-Adha (day of sacrifice) they will sacrifice lambs at the doors of the houses, even in the streets. And they will also cut in pieces, and burn with fire the holy Bibles. 

And just as in Maccabees “they cut in pieces, and burnt with fire the books of the law of God” the Muslims will do with everyone with whom the books of the testament of the Lord (the Bible) were found, and whosoever observed the law of the Lord (Communion) they will put to death, according to the edict of the Antichrist. 

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In Second Maccabees 6: “The Gentiles filled the temple with debauchery and revelry; they amused themselves with prostitutes and had intercourse with women even in the sacred courts. They also brought forbidden things into the temple …. that the altar was covered with abominable offerings prohibited by the laws. No one could keep the sabbath or celebrate the traditional feasts, nor even admit to being a Jew. Moreover, at the monthly celebration of the king’s birthday the Jews, from bitter necessity, had to partake of the sacrifices, and when the festival of Dionysus was celebrated, they were compelled to march in his procession, wearing wreaths of ivy.”

Such desecrations will be reminiscent to the raping Muslims do and in Jerusalem, Zechariah clearly prophesied: “the women will be ravished”  (Zechariah 14:12) and the people would have to eat Halal and wear  the wreaths (symbol/mark/emblem) of the Antichrist on their right shoulder or foreheads that is exclusively a name (creed) of blasphemy. So just as the Jews were forced to do, to take the mark (the wreath) on their foreheads the falling-away Christians will also put a mark on their foreheads even at the “wing of the temple” on the right arm. A wing is an arm and the temple is the Christian since we are “His body”, as Daniel prescribed “And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple”.

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Photo from Turkey

It is impossible to be pleasing to the Lord without an altar of sacrifice, without the grain offering and a drink offering (wine) where we consume the blood and the host. This is why Islam prohibits alcohol and with such prohibition, Antichrist will stop “drink offering” as Joel also predicted. How can one confess sins and partake in the sacrifice without these elements become unimaginable.

Everything I have written here became clear to me only after I, last week, prayerfully decided to examine this “sacrifice” for myself having never believed since I joined the Baptist church which said that apostolic-succession are “harlot” and “Antichrist”. It bothered my inner temple deep within my soul. So I decided to walk into the confessional booth, I must say, the one they told me never to enter, to try this apostolic succession sacrificial flavor if you will.

After my confession, the priest asked: “Why do you allow such intrusive thoughts enter the gates of your temple knowing that they, like the leaven, fester and grow, sin is destructive and destroys the temple, and only leads into more sin?”

Sin starts by a thought which settles in the mind and festers like leaven, it grows, swells, and corrupts and leads to venial or even mortal sin where the temple is completely destroyed and such unclean vessel cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.

The priest addressed the root not just the symptom. It was a free gift. I was the one who got a free offering. I paid no money, no offering, no indulgences, and nothing of what the slanderers claim.

How can this sin be healed if I just go directly to Christ without gaining the proper instruction given by Christ to His first priests, the apostles, and from there onward to the priests to the end of the age? How could Christ only instruct His apostles only during their lifetime when He told them “I will be with you until the end of the age”? He will be with His church forever.

Scriptures throughout, described the church, not the Scriptures, as Christ’s body: “the Church [not just Scripture] is the pillar and bulwark of the truth” (1 Tim 3:15) which without the Church no one can interpret Scriptures correctly. So where was this “pillar and bulwark” for fifteen centuries since the apostles?

Christ is the temple, we need no sun, He mirrors His reflection upon ordained men stemming all the way back from when He gave instruction to His apostles shedding His light in the darkness of our hearts and offers forgiveness.

It is one thing to go in and pray in the closet, but confession in Scripture, was never intended to exclusively be in the closet, and it is another experience when one has to give detail of what they have done to a priest “confess your sins to one another that you may be healed” (James 5:16).

One sins much less if they have to confront the accountant. If Christ ever intended to forgive sin exclusively through Him without priests, why then does the Scriptures make clear: “Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained” (John 20:23).

“sins that you [the apostle/priest] shall forgive”?

I was told at the non-apostolic-succession church that all of our sins—past, present, and future were forgiven once we became Christian.

Then I find the disciples having the authority to continually forgive or even retain sins in John 20. I found nothing in Scripture that says “I forgive your sins, past, present and future”.

Indeed, it is the tradition of men which has become Scripture, traditions instituted by men, who only condemned God’s traditions, while all these verses I shared so far from Scripture here were thrown out the window.

If sins are forgiven, past, present and future, why would Jesus teach: “And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors” (Matt. 6:12)? Why then can’t we just once and for all say “thank you for forgiving us our debts, past, present and future and from this day forward, I will ask and pray no more”.

Jesus was teaching us how to pray and this prayer of Our Father, is central in the apostolic-succession church and is to remain with us including asking for the forgiveness of sins.

Does He forgive our sins, past present and future the moment we invite Jesus? No, We are told “if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:9). How this was understood in the early church, in 70 AD, way before the claim that ‘Constantine changed everything’, the earliest of Christians taught that the believer should:

“Confess your sins in church, and do not go up to your prayer with an evil conscience. This is the way of life. . . . On the Lord’s Day gather together, break bread, and give thanks, after confessing your transgressions so that your sacrifice may be pure” (Didache 4:14, 14:1 [A.D. 70]).

Sacrifice? Do this “confession” before taking communion, never after? In the earliest record of the church, in 70 AD, there was order, not chaos.

In the non-apostolic-succession churches, they even told us that “Genesis 14 indicates that as Abraham arrived with his troops and came before Melchizedek, Melchizedek brought out some food (bread and wine) to feed all these hungry guys” (see Ron Rhodes).

What utter nonsense. The text says: “And Mel-chiz’edek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was priest of God Most High.” The very bringing of the bread and wine was because he was a priest and it was done by a priest.

And Malachi 1:11, again, “My name will be great among the nations, from where the sun rises to where it sets. In every place incense and pure offerings will be brought to me, because my name will be great among the nations,” says the LORD Almighty.”

Only the priesthood can fulfill this with literal incense keeping in mind that this “incense” is not allegoric incense since if there is any smoke or incense on earth, it is always synonymous with sacrifice. Again, keep in mind that this is no old testament sacrifice since just one verse before, in Malachi. 1:10, it says that when this period comes, God would not be accepting the Jewish sacrifices: “Oh, that one of you would shut the temple doors, so that you would not light useless fires on my altar! I am not pleased with you,” says the LORD Almighty, “and I will accept no offering from your hands”.

And if Melchizedek was simply feeding “hungry guys” why would the Psalmist in Psalm 110:4 declare “The LORD has sworn and will not change his mind, “You are a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek“?

He permanently offers sacrifice (offering). Ever wonder why in Ezekiel a grain offering was made including a meat offering? That the grain is the bread and the meat is the flesh (Gen. 4:3-5, Num. 16:15, 1 Sam. 2:17, 29:26:19 Isa. 1:13). Even the protestant early Church historian J. N. D. Kelly confirms:

The Eucharist was regarded as the distinctively Christian sacrifice from the closing decade of the first century, if not earlier. Malachi’s prediction that the Lord would reject the Jewish sacrifices and instead would have a ‘pure offering’ made to Him by the Gentiles in every place was early seized upon by Christians as a prophecy of the Eucharist.

Salvation is a process. So many verses are ignored and are rarely if ever studied by the simpleton who quickly jots a comment with no depth.

It is the devil, through his trickster, institutes disorder. Christ broke the bread and gave it and said “this is my body”.

The trickster will quickly switch from literal into allegory. He also knows that he cannot answer the Jesus-style question: how could the church have for twenty centuries (not just since the sixteenth century) practiced and believed in the Eucharist? Was this all wrongly done and these could not correctly understand what Christ meant by “this is my body”?

To answer this question, they have no other method but to go to the Church fathers and twist everything. For example, they use Clement when he explains:

But you are not inclined to understand it thus, but perchance more generally. Hear it also in the following way. The flesh figuratively represents to us the Holy Spirit; for the flesh was created by Him. The blood points out to us the Word, for as rich blood the Word has been infused into life; and the union of both is the Lord, the food of the babes–the Lord who is Spirit and Word. The food- that is, the Lord Jesus–that is, the Word of God, the Spirit made flesh, the heavenly flesh sanctified…” (The words of the Lord from the bread of life discourse “Eat My flesh and drink My blood,”)

“The flesh figuratively represents…”? Is Clement saying that the Eucharist does not represent the real essence of Christ? Then they even present Clement’s Paedagogus Book 1, chapter 6 “Elsewhere the Lord, in the Gospel according to John, brought this out by symbols, when He said: “Eat ye my flesh, and drink my blood; ” describing distinctly by metaphor the drinkable properties of faith and the promise …”

So is Clement explaining “Eat ye my flesh, and drink my blood” strictly as a Metaphor?

And Clement even concludes the chapter with this:

“Thus in many ways the Word is figuratively described, as meat, and flesh, and food, and bread, and blood, and milk … by His own Spirit He will nourish those who hunger for the Word.”

One can also find Tertullian “and that flesh which was the “bread given for the life of the world,” He also stated “Constituting, therefore, His word as the life-giving principle, because that word is spirit and life, He likewise called His flesh by the same appellation; because, too, the Word had become flesh, We ought therefore to desire Him in order that we may have life, and to devour Him with the ear, and to ruminate on Him with the understanding, and to digest Him by faith. (On the Resurrection of the Flesh 37)

Are the apostolic-succession churches dismantled by these words from Clement and Tertullian?

Hardly. It is here that the trickster avoids the ancient “two senses” in interpreting. Irenaeus, around 180 A.D., close to the time of the disciples of Jesus says of the Eucharist “For as the bread, which is produced from the earth [grain], when it receives the invocation of God, is no longer common bread, but the eucharist, consisting of two realities, earthly and heavenly; so also our bodies, when they receive the eucharist, are no longer corruptible, having the hope of the resurrection to eternity.”

While the context is the “resurrection” of the believer the bread is “no longer common bread“.

This is using the proper scriptural method: the two senses.

To explain Clement’s allegoric interpretation and other church fathers we must understand the multiple facets on how they viewed the text. As Christians in these days, they did not only believe in the Trinity, but also had dual and trinitarian interpretation of the Scriptures pushing aside the “veil of the letter” (Origen, Homily on Numbers. 16.9). Church fathers interpreted such verses as John 6 with triple meanings; the literal, the moral and the mystical. Christ used three when He said His “I Am” adding “The Way,” “The Truth,” and “The Life,” while 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 Paul spoke of the “body” “soul” and “spirit”.

The early church, unlike today’s trickster, interpreted using  allegorical and anthropological approaches. They were not the typical blog commenter of today who jots quick rebuke summing up the whole plan of God in an insulting and gymnastic approach to the Word of God.

This mystery regarding “this is My Body” has various levels of meanings. The Logos (The Word) became flesh and so did the Eucharist. We also have the Word (Christ) and the Word of God (the Bible). Origen says “… but we are said to drink the blood of Christ not only in the rite of the sacraments, but also when we receive his words, in which are life, as he himself …” and is why Clement said “…Thus in many ways the Word is figuratively described, as meat, and flesh, and food, and bread, and blood, and milk …”

Origen, Clement and Irenaeus also saw the word of God in the Communion and the Communion in the word of God. They did not see Christ merely in the consecrated bread and wine, but also the communion of believers and the word of God. The believers were not the only ones who resemble the body of Christ, but that Scriptures and the Body of Christ, both, resembles the Body of Christ.

They used both senses in interpreting scripture, the allegoric and the literal approach that is so much removed today from the modern pulpit of the disco-tech style charismatic churches while dressed up in Hawaiian shirts with multiple colors looking more like an Antichrist with hyacinth blue, sulfur yellow and fiery red.

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Tricksters are recognized from their isolating everything, from verses to context, metaphor from literal,  they isolate the stone from David, and even from God, as only if one of these was the originator and the true killer of Goliath.

The fathers used metaphor, the stone was also Christ, that David used Christ to strike Goliath, that David was not the sole instrument of the judgment of God against Goliath, that God Himself was the originator where David through Theosis (the process of being one with Christ) became one with God and through God’s Son also kills the Antichrist. David also resembles Christ Who will return to accomplish the striking of the serpent’s head, who is both the devil and antichrist. This is why we see in Revelation 11-12 not only the Church and Israel, but also Mary and then the saints in Zechariah standing with Christ on the Mount of Olives. In Revelation 11:19 we see the “temple” of GOD being opened, and within it is the “Ark of the Covenant” then in Revelation 21:22 “And I saw no temple therein. For the Lord GOD almighty and the Lamb are the temple thereof”. This clearly debunks Ezekiel’s temple being rebuilt by some group calling itself The Temple Institute. The lazy replaced Christ, Ezekiel, Joel, Daniel and Paul with a modern outfit, elevating the Jewish system made obsolete over Christ. This in itself is an abomination to God and I ask Christ for forgiveness.

John describes, like Ezekiel taking a measuring rod to measure the temple: “And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.” (Revelation 11:1-2).

Yet this is clearly and primarily the Church (who see the woman, Mary, as the crowned queen) since “the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent … And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” (Revelation 12:14,17)

“the court outside the temple” are the Christians that were not protected, but will be subject to Satan during that same time (Revelation 12:17). Antichrist does not rule the entire globe and his center is in Asia Minor.

It is only when I discovered all this, how to be as wise as a serpent and try to be innocent, confess my sins continually to another who is in authority, receive Christ in the communion, that I could finally say “I was blind, but now I see”.  The disciples forgave as Christ forgives because they were one with Christ. Christ clearly said to the disciples “whatever sins you forgive it shall be forgiven” while the trickster uses a truth will jot “only Christ can forgive sins”. While this is true, no Christians denies it whether apostolic succession or not, Christ is to be our one and absolutely unique mediator who alone can reconcile us to the Father. But this is also ignoring that such a truth has a system that the trickster isolates. Indeed Christ is the only mediator and sin forgiver, yet He told the disciples that He will use them, the first priests, as the mediators between the sinner and Christ “whatever sin you forgive [on earth] it shall be forgiven [from heaven]”.

In Bethlehem, dare you ask for a lady’s hand without using the matchmaker, go to the governor without a dignitary or buy a home without an agent. Only a fool negotiates his sentence, the marriage dowry or the price of his home. Such are thrown out of the Kingdom even including the one who does not come dressed properly to the wedding:

But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. He asked, ‘How did you get in here without wedding clothes, friend?’ The man was speechless. “Then the king told the attendants, ‘Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ (Matthew 22:11-13)

In this, Christ addresses the modern trickster who tells the congregants “come as you are”. Christ speaks prophetically on the condition of the falling away that we so clearly see, coming unprepared to the wedding. The lazy servant is one who comes to God’s wedding, improperly dressed, while for the politician, they dress as if they are entering Christ’s banquet.

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I heard the empty arguments: “Rome insists that the Mass is the very same sacrifice as that of Calvary” (James White) “The whole concept of re-enacting and re-presenting Christ’s sacrifice on the cross is contrary to the clear teaching of Hebrews that this sacrifice occurred once for all time (Heb. 10:12-14)” (Norman Geisler)

But these are only assumptions. No Christian believes in re-sacrificing Christ. The Eucharist is a re-sacrifice if you will, but the same ‘once and for all’ sacrifice being made present to us now.

The argument can easily be countered in a Jesus-style question: John wrote his Gospel between 90-100 A.D., while early church documents at the time make it crystal clear, the Eucharist was being celebrated as the literal Flesh and Blood of Christ across the entire Roman Empire, so why didn’t John have made an explanation to clarify as he always did (see John 1:42; John 21:19) since the entire church was in error telling all Christians that the Eucharist was a re-sacrifice?

And if one insists on using scripture, the other Jesus-style question would be this: why is it that in each Gospel the mention of Satan entering Judas is in the context of the Last Supper that Jesus had this discourse on “eating his flesh” and is when Judas rejected the notion of Christ being the Eucharist? 

God allowed controversies, even Christ spoke in parables, in order to separate sheep from goats.

The goats will never get it.

Even if Christ made the controversial issues crystal clear, using the terms “Trinity,” “Transubstantiation,” and “Assumption,” and the goats believed in the Eucharist, Mary being mother of God and Church, they would still find a multitude of other arguments to defy God’s order, preferring satan’s disorder, as we see fallen apostolic-succession leaders continually have done, to even allow sodomy and paganism to enter the hauls of the Vatican.

Purgatory is taking a shower before you could jump in the pool (heaven) and it is in Maccabees. One needs to knock, seek and find, even ask, why seven books that Jesus used were removed from holy scriptures?

I don’t have a problem with taking showers. That shower, indeed is not for pigs, it is not even designed for humans who behave like pigs either. It is designed to remove whatever crud is left for Christians after living so long in a pig farm we call the world. I am not sure why so much fuss. Even the shower stall they go after to the point I am beginning to believe that such behavior is more fitting for Muslims rather than Christians. What else is left, the confession booth, the altar, the priest … until like locusts the swarm consumes everything and what is left is a bare naked Jesus huddled in the corner of every church.

Even that Jesus, these will insist to remove, barking daily that Jesus cannot be expressed in a statue, but only in a paper-thin photo as thin as their spirit that cannot fathom a trinitarian theology with trinitarian interpretation where Scriptures has so many facets that we could spend a lifetime never being able to fathom.

Even His crucifix, instead of being like Simon of Cyrene, we should be honored to carry the Cross around our necks as the Copts do in Egypt, instead, we would be like the Roman torturer, going after Jesus, flogging Him by tormenting and taunting the saints who like taking daily showers, confessing directly to a priest, to the living saints on earth as they are also in heaven…

Every day I approve comments and see and I am beginning to be convinced 100% that so many are a miserable bunch who go after any sin. Even the infiltrators in the Catholic Church are blamed on every Catholic, Copt, Serbian, Greek, Russian Orthodox … so many are simply the accusers. These roam round about like devils using whatever few verses they remember to thwart the volumes of history and other books of the Bible they so much hate calling these “Apocrypha”. They prefer to feed from smelly cheese crumbs spilled by a glutton named Martin Luther who was an anti-Semite-devil in disguise.

Even exposing this devil, instead, they would rather attack Catholics, never-mind that this devil wrote a treatises titled The Jews and Their Lies. This one, just like these scoffers, taunted the people, begging them to go after poor Jews and requesting they burn their farms and annihilate the people in a holocaust while Pope Pius XII rescued more Jews than any man in history while gaining the title from scoffers as “Hitler’s Pope”.

Slander is key to recognizing the saint. Isn’t that what Jesus taught?

Such holocaust was finally fulfilled from Luther’s instruction to be carried out by Hitler himself. And what is left of Germany today after stripping all the icons, seven books of the Bible, altars and confessional booths? Nothing but the flood of Muslim hordes issued forth from the mouth of the beast after the woman, a bloody river with multitudes from nations, tribes and different tongues raping and molesting as it was in the days of the Maccabees. Soon, Hagia Sophia will be desecrated, the Vatican and the “synagogues of God” where this horde will put their ensigns and hammer and chisel the stones of the Temple of God (Psalm 74). Soon we all will pray:

O God, why have You rejected us forever?
Why does Your anger smoke against the sheep of Your pasture?
Remember Your congregation, which You have purchased of old,
Which You have redeemed to be the tribe of Your inheritance;
And this Mount Zion, where You have dwelt.
Turn Your footsteps toward the perpetual ruins;
The enemy has damaged everything within the sanctuary.
Your adversaries have roared in the midst of Your meeting place;
They have set up their own standards for signs.
It seems as if one had lifted up
His axe in a forest of trees.
And now all its carved work
They smash with hatchet and hammers.
They have burned Your sanctuary to the ground;
They have defiled the dwelling place of Your name.
They said in their heart, “Let us completely subdue them.”
They have burned all the meeting places of God in the land.
We do not see our signs;
There is no longer any prophet,
Nor is there any among us who knows how long.
How long, O God, will the adversary revile,
And the enemy spurn Your name forever?
Why do You withdraw Your hand, even Your right hand?
From within Your bosom, destroy them!

Yet God is my king from of old,
Who works deeds of deliverance in the midst of the earth.
You divided the sea by Your strength;
You broke the heads of the sea monsters in the waters.
You crushed the heads of Leviathan;
You gave him as food for the creatures of the wilderness.
You broke open springs and torrents;
You dried up ever-flowing streams.
Yours is the day, Yours also is the night;
You have prepared the light and the sun.
You have established all the boundaries of the earth;
You have made summer and winter.

Remember this, O Lord, that the enemy has reviled,
And a foolish people has spurned Your name.
Do not deliver the soul of Your turtledove to the wild beast;
Do not forget the life of Your afflicted forever.
Consider the covenant;
For the dark places of the land are full of the habitations of violence.
Let not the oppressed return dishonored;
Let the afflicted and needy praise Your name.

Arise, O God, and plead Your own cause;
Remember how the foolish man reproaches You all day long.
Do not forget the voice of Your adversaries,
The uproar of those who rise against You which ascends continually. (Psalm 74)

To the trickster and the scoffer I ask: where are your “carved work”? “And now all its carved work
They smash with hatchet and hammers..” Can you interpret through the spirit and see the many meanings of all this?

Trickster, the clown and the gymnast, the devil will not only pass to you what he himself does not believe is true, but he will pass through you whatever falsity that you believe through him. You say: “and what use do we have for church fathers when we have Scriptures”? But I say to you: “Why do we deal treacherously each against his brother so as to profane the covenant of our fathers?” (Malachi 2:10) and did He not also say “He will restore the hearts of the fathers to their children and the hearts of the children to their fathers, so that I will not come and smite the land with a curse”?

Has God created a church, or a void that was empty for entire twenty centuries until a trickster named Zwingli showed up fifteen centuries later?

No. I will shun away the trickster and the politician. I will cause an earthquake, shatter myths and take the Grain Offering.

SOURCES
(1) St. Matthew. See St. Ignatius, in his epistle to the people of Smyrna; St. Justin Martyr, in his dialogue with Tryphon; St. Irenæus, lib. 4. chap. xxxii. and xxxiv.; Tertullian, lib. de Velandis Virg.; Eusebius lib. 1. de demonst. Evang. chap. ult.[last]; St. Jerome, ep. ad Evangelu,; St. Ambrose, in Psalm xxxviii. and on 1 chap. of St. Luke; St. Augustine, lib. 16. de civ. Dei. chap. xxii. lib. cont. Advers. legis chap. 22. and lib. ix. Confess. chap. xii.; St. Chrysostom, hom. lx. ad Pop. Antiochenum. et hom. lxxii. in Matt.; The first general council of Nice[Nicaea].

(2) Joseph. Antiq. 12.5.5, trans. William Whiston. Whiston puts Jupiter, but I replaced it with his equivalent Zeus for the sake of clarification.  who had his origins in the ancient Near East, since a prototype of Zeus was the Hittite Teshub and the Syrian Hadad

(3) Reza Aslan, No God But God, ch. i, p. 6

(4) See John Garstang’s introduction to Lucian’s Syrian Goddess pp. 6-7, 10, 15, 17, 19; n. 32; see n. 586 in the Loeb edition of Macrobius’ Saturnalia, trans. Robert A. Kaster. Though these authors never equate Allah with Zeus-Haddad, one and the same as the god of Antiochus.

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  • DeusLoVult

    I think this is the best article you’ve ever written sir. Well……you’ve convinced me. Amazing. I have said so little, yet, I already find myself absent of words. I think the best course of action, is to be silent, just…..take it all in…absorb it. Thank you, Mr. Shoebat. 🙂

    • SuzyQ

      Yes, Deus, and print it up to re-read it so it sinks in. So much information. Thank you, Walid and may God keep you safe.

      • Thank you SuzyQ. Now I need to find these Jesuits so I can conspire. Then the accusation of being a Jesuit spy will fit.

        • racarrera

          I’m rarely in awe, only because I expect to find wisdom here, and, outside of the comments section, I’m never disappointed. Today, I’m in awe. Fine work, chef.

          • Thank you Mr. Carrera. Always a blessing to speak with you.

          • racarrera

            The feeling is ever mutual.

        • racarrera

          Ask those Jesuit reprobates if they need an Eastern Orthodox Commie spy to help out.

        • PelayoHSV

          Just re-watched The Mission last week. Would make you proud to be called a Jesuit. When Jesuit were fearsome warriors for the Faith and His Church.

          • Julie

            There is so much conspiratorial things said about the Jesuits that it just doesn’t face up to reality.

            Here on this site, I spoke of having a Jesuit spiritual advisor and some woman took off telling others like her that I even was being advised by some Jesuit.

            Actually he was training me to be an advisor to priests and had me study Abbot Tanqueray’s, a Sepulcian; they are the ones who train seminarians.

          • Lidia

            Hi Julie! Yes I remember, it was Andrea. She also talked about a black pope too.

          • Julie

            The one I also dealt with was Joan something…they seem to focus on myself and Julie LaBrecque.

        • SuzyQ

          LOLOLOL…love it!

    • Julie

      Agree! Want to make print out of article!

    • Julie LaBrecque

      I would lovingly implore you to make an appointment to speak to a priest and ask to start RCIA.

      • DeusLoVult

        Yes, my lady….I’ll see if I can’t talk to one next Sunday after Mass. 🙂

        • Julie LaBrecque

          Awesome.

        • You go to Mass Deus? I didn’t know that. You partake in the Sacrificial Gran Offering?

          • DeusLoVult

            No sir…..not yet. 🙂 I meant, visit the Catholic Church we have in our small town.

          • Julie

            Remember, you are having insight most Catholics and many priests are not tuned in to.

            I go back to Genesis…where there was only one tree that was good, that was named — the Tree of Life. But Adam and Eve refused to eat of its fruit, and instead chose the bad fruit of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

            Yet there was hope for them. As they were being expelled they saw before them the Tree of Life but it was separated from them by an angel.

            We see the Tree of Life as the Church, and the Eucharist as its Living Fruit.

          • Lidia

            Hi Deus, If you decide to become Catholic, maybe one day you can look into joining the Secular Franciscan Order. It was started by St. Francis and he made 3 interrelated orders:

            First Order-Friars Minor, Second Order-Poor Clares, and the Secular Franciscan Order. There is so much to say about this Order since it was started a long time ago by St. Francis. I can’t write it all done in one comment box. It’s too much info. Here is a start:
            The origins of the Third Order may be found in the movement known as the Penitents, going back to the sixth century. The original Penitents were people who sought to grow in holiness
            through their daily lives and work. This desire for holiness assumed many forms, such as pilgrimages to holy sites; constructing, repairing and rebuilding churches; and caring for the poor and sick. The first Franciscans were, in fact, known as “penitents of Assisi.” Men and women who were attracted by Francis’ way of life, but could not leave their homes and families to become wandering preachers or cloistered nuns, banded together. Thus the Third Order was born. This original Third Order had several names, from the Brothers and Sisters of Penitence to Third Order of St Francis, originally both lay orders. Today the Third Order exists in two forms, the
            original lay order, now the Secular Franciscan Order and the Third Order Regular, (the friars, both priests and brothers TOR and 400+ communities of religious sisters who follow the regular rule for vowed religious). THE SECULAR FRANCISCAN FORMATION PROCES (for the candidates)–takes 2 years to learn all about it–once a month.
            Ongoing Formation (for members) necessarily includes additional information and updating in various areas of spirituality, and deepening of our commitment to the Gospel life. None of us ever completes formation; it is a lifelong process. Monthly Fraternity gatherings are the ordinary place for Ongoing Formation

            I was thinking about you and other young people because a member from this order in my town told me that most of these members are old and are dying. This is my second time to their meeting, which they meet once a month and she was right. I and another person are the youngest ones and I am middle aged.

          • DeusLoVult

            Thank you, my lady. 🙂 What exactly does the Order do?

          • Lidia

            Generally, we gather in fraternity once or twice a month to pray, study, witness, engage in apostolic work, and share community with one another. The Secular Franciscan Order is a true order of the church—our Rule is approved by Rome. We are not bound by vows. At our profession we promise to live the spirit of Poverty, Chastity and Obedience. This simply means that we promise to live the spirit of moderation in all things according to our state in life. We do not live in community; we are married and single; we are young and old; we come from all different cultures and all different walks of life. Although we do not go out to preach the Gospel as the Friars do, through our example, we give witness to the message of Christ in the world. Our Rule tells us to go from Gospel to Life and Life to the Gospel. This means that we take the teachings of Christ and apply them to our everyday lives. We try to set the example of what it is to bring peace and hope into our communities and the world because, as Secular Franciscans, we learn to focus less on our personal needs and desires and more on what is beneficial to those around us.
            What this means is that we promise to live out more fully the
            commitment that was already made for us at our Baptism by
            following the example St. Francis of Assisi.

            Here are some links:

            http://www.rc.net/sfo/olirf/QA.htm

            http://www.stfrancisregion.org/About-the-OFS/Secular-Franciscan-Order

            https://www.nafra-sfo.org/sforule.html

            http://www.franciscanfocus.com/2007/06/secular-franciscan-habit.htm

            Prayer for a Franciscan vocation

            Almighty and Eternal God
            who is Peace and All Good
            Praise and honour to you O’ Lord
            Let your light shine through me
            and enkindle in me the fire of your love
            that I may listen to your call
            to live the Gospel in my daily life
            and if it is your Will, to serve You
            as a Secular Franciscan, priest, sister, brother or deacon
            I ask this through Christ our Lord
            Amen

        • PelayoHSV

          Follow the Spirit, however He might be speaking to you, but know that RCIA is not a requirement. The Catholic Church made plenty of true converts for 1900 years before RCIA was created. You do not have to wait an entire year to enter the Church and begin receiving the sacraments, which are vital to the Life within all of us, to truly walking The Walk.

          If you feel you know enough already and want to join, a few months going over many other basics with a priest should suffice. That’s how I did it.

          Many of the RCIA courses teach Catholic-lite versions of Protestantism. All the bells and whistles of Catholic practices and traditions, and history, but gutted from the kind of Truth and theological clarity that you find here on this website. If you are well-educated by sites like these, you may find you know far more than those administering the RCIA course. So, it’s your choice. I could not handle an entire year of such nonsense, and was more than ready to enter the Church. I wanted the Eucharist, and wanted to start fighting for Mother Church as a true Catholic, as soon as possible. It was only about 3 months for me. If you find Roman priests trying to make you sit through an entire year of RCIA, find an Eastern Catholic church and go through them.

          Check out http://www.churchmilitant.com.

          • DeusLoVult

            Thank you! I’ll keep that in mind. 🙂

          • Dan Knight

            Deus, Everyone I see gave you good advice. Let me add.

            Not all RCIA courses are equal. They vary from Diocese to
            Diocese. I took one in Alaska nearly 30 years ago, and it was virtually New Age. I had to bite my lip at every meeting, and struggle not to pull out either the Bible or the Catechism. My mother went through one in Fort Worth about 5 years ago,
            but it was totally different. It was very solid and delivered by a local history professor. And my daughter went through one 3 years back with a local deacon – a great guy – but he was always lost, and had no understanding of how to answer questions.

            Just beware that RCIA is supposed to reflect Catholic essentials, but it doesn’t always – just like the Pope, clergy, layman, and everyone else. The RCC is a huge institution. She has her glories, honor, her Bridegroom, His mother, and her heroes, but she also has a lot of just plain ‘us.’ Don’t any of ‘us’ get in the way.

          • DeusLoVult

            Sounds like something I will avoid….if the Catholics on here would be willing to teach me, I am certain I can learn far more about the Faith from them than anyone else. History most especially. 🙂

            Thanks Dan. God bless you. :))

          • Dan Knight

            Honestly, I became Catholic after reading the Bible. The more I read it, the more Catholic I become. I go to mass to visit Jesus, and be in communion with Him.

            Although I know many great people who are Catholic though, I also many non-so-good Catholics, and the same goes for other Christians – good ones and bad ones. Being Catholic is about being an adopted son of the Lord, bending one’s knees to and for Jesus, and taking up one’s cross. (and constantly apologizing for idiots who are Catholic, and trying to stay up to speed on non-controversies we don’t care about, and being appalled by actual scandals, … and you get the picture.)

            God bless.

          • susan

            And if on the first day someone asks the teacher what a tabernacle is and where is it located….and the teacher doesn’t know the answer… 🙁 Prepare to do a lot of self-studying.

          • DeusLoVult

            Indeed, my lady.

          • Julie

            Totally sympathize.

            He can also consult with the pastor.

        • AnthonyM

          Great. Talk to a priest for sure. The amount and form of this preparation depends on the individual’s
          circumstance, for example whether validly baptized or not, etc.
          http://www.catholic.com/documents/how-to-become-a-catholic

        • You’ve received some sound advice from so many people in this thread, please carefully consider all that you have been told. If your decision is upon the Roman Rite, please also do not forget to attend, learn and fellowship with the Eastern Rite. I think Walid mentioned he was in a Marionite church. I attend a Byzantine rite, which is actually a Ukranian Catholic church. In America we use the word “Byzantine” but if you asked my priest he would say in Ukraine they just called themselves Greek Catholics. The Eastern Rite Catholics and the Roman Rite Catholics are in communion with each other. However, I was grateful I was recently on travel and was able to visit with a dear Greek Orthodox priest who I consider a spiritual father. He stated he counted me as a son. There is nothing written anywhere that states I cannot be in communion with the Eastern Orthodox or the Roman Catholic. I was born 900+ years after the great schism. Why do I have to adhere to it? Therefore, I chose the eastern Catholic church as I was raised Roman Catholic (my roots), I was graciously taught by an Eastern Orthodox priest (my present) and the Eastern Rite Catholics celebrate both the divine liturgy of St. John Chrysostom and are in communion with Rome. Hierarchically the Eastern Rite Catholics, because of their communion with Rome are not in communion with the eastern Orthodox, but as I stated before, it no where states I cannot be. Blessings be upon you in your search and as you can see many are here for you in your questions.

          • DeusLoVult

            Thank you Vinny. If you could help me…..I am not sure what the differences between the Roman and Eastern Rites are. Might you explain? 🙂

          • The Roman rite basically is the rite that has continued out of Rome and the Latins. Everything you would find among the Roman Catholic Church you can trace all the way back to the western side of the Roman empire and the “Latins.” The eastern rite comes out of the eastern side of the Roman empire and can basically be traced back to the Greeks. In a small, basic, watered down, simplified version, this was ultimately the “schism” that ultimately happened, the misunderstandings between the Greeks and the Latins.

            Are you familiar with the “filioque” clause/controversy? If not read that.

            This was the straw that broke the camel’s back in the great schism (among other problems.) However, in the original Nicene creed, it states “The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and with the Father and Son is worshiped and glorified.”

            In the Latin (Filioque) it states “the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and THE SON, and with the father and the son is worshiped and glorified.”

            The Greeks (Orthodox) argued (and I might add correctly) this was an illegal insertion of the the procession of the Holy Spirit and could also be seen as placing the Holy Spirit in a subordinate role by saying it proceeded from the Father and the Son. The Greeks wanted the original creed left unchanged or also argued that there was never a counsel called by the Roman bishop to debate the clause and decide on its insertion. Therefore the east argued the west inserted and changed the creed without permission and the insertion was illegal. If I’m not mistaken (some wiser than me can correct me that is fine) but the Latins argued this was the correct interpretation and I think the Latin language interpreted it this way. Pretty crazy the whole church could split AND REMAIN SPLIT since 1054 isn’t it? For me, I think of Jesus saying “Happy are the peacemakers.” I am not going to heal the schism, again I can only be obedient.

            However, it is difficult to see the historical liturgy in the Roman Catholic church UNLESS you attend a church that also celebrates the Latin rite. Where I live, there is a Roman Catholic Church that has the Latin mass in the evening. Where I used to live, there was a Catholic church that was solely the Latin Rite. So you have to think back (after you attend the Latin Rite) that what really proceeded out from the early going was the Latin Rite/Liturgy and the Eastern Rite/Liturgy. If you can attend a Latin Rite Mass and an Eastern Rite Mass or what we call the Divine Liturgy, then you would see the two Rites that proceeded down to this day.

            In Rome, they would say the current form was the church modernizing to speak to the people today. Others would argue ecumenism has caused compromise in Rome. I am not going to debate that here. However, with the Eastern Rite Catholic, we celebrate the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom, which is the Liturgy celebrated in the Eastern Orthodox church. The eastern Rite Catholics descend from the Greeks really. However, we are in communion with Rome. We see the pope as our bishop.

            Study also the 5 original bishops, Rome, Antioch, Constantinople, Alexandria and Jerusalem. Rome was in the western half of the Roman empire, the other 4 were in the east. Rome were the Latins, the other 4 were the Greeks. Again I am way oversimplifying it because I am sure as you study these things you will read what is more detailed.

            However, both the Latins and Greeks, Romans and Greeks, East and West, believe in the real presence of Jesus Christ in the Lord’s table. I noted that Walid spoke a bit in detail about Transubstantiation. This was really the western explanation of what happens in the change in the elements. In the east we would just say it is a mystery. Either way, please pay very careful attention at Mass when the priest prays for the change. Note, in the Roman rite and in the east (AND THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT) both invoke the Holy Spirit. They ask the Lord to send down the Holy Spirit to incorporate the change. Both Rites also mention (AND THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT) that this is an UNBLOODY sacrifice.

            This I think is so important because it destroys the evangelical/protestant argument that the priest in resacrificing Christ at the alter and that Jesus is being put to the cross all over again. They like to point to Jesus’ once for all shedding of his blood. It was once and for all. At no point does the priest ever declare there is a shedding of blood in the mass. The Holy Spirit is invoked. However, in the eastern divine liturgy we talk about the mystery and that we will not give this mystery away to our enemies or be traitors like Judas was.

            Also, when evangelicals talk about our “ritualistic” this and that, obviously they must believe something happens at the mass correct? If it was all nonsense, then the bread and wine would just remain bread and wine, right? But be sure of this, when the soldier plunged the spear into Jesus’ side, grape juice did not flow from Jesus body, but water and blood. This was carefully noted by John and also you must note at the mass the priest mingles the water with the wine. This was something very specific that the early church fathers noted and adamantly defended in the early church; i.e. there must be a mingling of the water and the wine at the Lord’s supper. In their day they denounced those who did not want to do this and only wanted to celebrate the Lord’s supper using only water. Well should not those who use only grape juice today be denounced in a similar fashion? Thanks for listening.

          • DeusLoVult

            Thank you Vinny, for this very detailed explanation. So, Eastern Rite is Orthodoxy then? I see. I am familiar with the Filioque controversy. The nearest Orthodox Church is more than two hours away, so attending services would not be possible. My town only has one Catholic Church that I know of, as well. I am fortunate for that.

            You are Orthodox, correct? I took the time to read some of the major differences between the Catholic and Orthodox beliefs. I like both.

          • You probably like both as do I because both are from the same root. Both are apostolic. Both are brother and sister. I do not like the “two lung” term. That seems like something evangelicals like to say and do to sound crafty. There is one Holy, Catholic and apostolic church. I really like a video Steve Smith posted about a priest explaining Orthodoxy, which is not right worship, but right glory. I do not even like to use I am Roman this or Eastern that, because these are really the premises that Evangelicals and Protestants use to determine what camp you are in order to raise their attack (or defense). To say one is Roman and one is Eastern is to try to put these in to a “category” as if Roman or Orthodox were denominations. Further, if we allowed this to happen, then others can be dismissive of Orthodoxy as just another “branch” to be put in a box. But back to Orthodoxy, which when translated properly means “right glory.” In that sense, I think we are all working towards and pursuing Orthodoxy, which is to have right glory. A glory of Christ for the world to see. Am I Orthodox? This I work towards every day.

          • DeusLoVult

            So, you consider them two parts of a whole? That sounds about right to me. By the end, though, they shall be one again.

            God bless you abundantly, Vinny.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            Hello good sir:-). Hope you are well:-). Vinnie is right; we should seek the Right Glory.

          • DeusLoVult

            Greetings, OA. I have been meaning to contact you. I pray you are doing well. And I wholly agree with Vinny. 🙂

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            Very well indeed, insanely busy but well:-)

          • I just consider them one. They both can validly claim apostolic succession. If you ask a Roman Catholic Priest about the Orthodox he will tell you they have valid sacraments and are apostolic. If you ask an Orthodox priest about the Roman Catholics he will tell you they have valid sacraments and are apostolic. In my estimation, that means they both have valid sacraments because they are both apostolic. Therefore they are one. However, I am only laity, I am not hierarchy. I do not have the authority to speak and make declarations. However, I relate and get along with Orthodox and Catholic just the same. How is this possible otherwise if we are not one? So I say, it is my job to just be obedient. Remember the parable by Christ of the two sons, one says I will go but does not and the other says I will not go but eventually does. Jesus asked, “Which one was obedient to the father?” I think this tells us to just be obedient. In sports, there is a simple truth all players on a team must abide by, “Do your job.” If I am worried about whether you are doing your job, my job is not getting done. My job is to be obedient. Blessing be upon you.

          • DeusLoVult

            You make good points. Perhaps we tend to focus too much on how they are different, rather than how they are alike.

      • What is RCIA? If it is not a Jesuit conspiracy I would not be interested. I learned long ago that we must do what they accuse us of.

        • Julie LaBrecque

          Rite of Christian Initiation for Adults.

          • We did the Sacrament of Confirmation at the Maronite Church (Eastern Catholic).

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Awesome – there is a Maronite Church in Tulsa, someday I will attend Mass there.

          • Julie

            Pretty standard. Some people take up to 4 years to complete with all their questions and concerns.

            Nobody is rushed and they are constantly being told to come forward with any concern.

          • PelayoHSV

            Awesome!! Wow. Maronite Catholic. Congratulations Walid. I had the honor of meeting Bishop Melki a few months ago, of Syriac Catholic fame. The priest who performs our Roman services here in Germany is from Kerala, India, and he is bi-ritual, able to celebrate the Syro-Malabar rite as well.

            I am Ruthenian Catholic. Heading to a Ukrainian Catholic church tonite to celebrate The Theopany. I will be sure to thank God tonite for your conversion.

          • Ruthenian Catholic. Never heard of that type of Catholic before, but I am sure that they are as sweet as pomegranates. A hard shell on the outside, seedy in the inside with a fragrance and pungent flavor in the inside. I am more of the prickly pear. Thorny on the outside, but also seedy and mushy sweet but can survive the desert. No need to prune and can survive for hundreds of years 🙂

        • Dan Knight

          Walid, FYI Not all RCIA courses are equal. They vary from Diocese to Diocese. I took one in Alaska nearly 30 years ago, and it was virtually New Age. My mother went through one in Fort Worth about 5 years ago, however that was very solid and delivered by a local history professor. Just beware that RCIA is supposed to reflect Catholic essentials, but it doesn’t always – just like the Pope, clergy, layman, and everyone else.

    • The nugget I found was simply this: prophecy was written not for merely knowing the times, but also so we can find the truth.

      • Eric

        Indeed, Mr. Shoebat. Thank you so much for this. I had to read it twice to absorb it. . .so much information and very eye-opening. God Bless you. 🙂

        • Superman, it is time we all consume the super bread of life.

          • Eric

            Indeed. 🙂

          • Julie LaBrecque

            The Eucharist is the ‘daily bread’ we pray for in the Lord’s Prayer.

          • DeusLoVult

            Is it, my lady? 😀

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Absolutely – read the Greek, there is no question- “epiousious’. Every human being on earth gets get regular bread without praying for it.

          • DeusLoVult

            Wow….that’s my favorite prayer, my lady, and all this time, I have entirely been ignorant of that.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Now you know – the reality of the prayer – it is why it is recited before Communion – I can hardly wait for you meet the Eucharistic King

          • DeusLoVult

            I didn’t know it was recited before Mass, either, my lady…..what I don’t know, must fill several volumes, I suspect, unfortunately. Oh well….have to learn sometime.

          • DANTEontheLake

            Don’t laugh Julie, but do the priests, pardon my poor phrasing, perform a daily routine concerning the Eucharist?

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Are you asking if it is made available everyday – the answer is yes – if you are asking ‘routine’ – yes, The Mass (what the Orthodox call the Divine Mystery/Liturgy), the Eucharistic Prayers that confect the change.

          • DANTEontheLake

            How often is the laity ( non priests) required/encouraged to participate?

          • Grandmere

            Some people go every day.

          • DANTEontheLake

            How often is a confessional available/ encouraged?

          • Julie

            Our Lady of Fatima’s….once a month. Helps cultivate a refined conscience and strengthens one to avoid sin.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            We are required to participate – to not attend Sunday Mass (and other days of obligation) is a grave sin. When we attend Mass, the lay people as ‘priests’ participate, physically, mentally, and spiritually with the Ministerial Priest through prayers – and by offering ourselves and what we have as sacrifice (see Romans 15:16 – get a good version, not one watered down by protestant interpreters – Paul clearly refers to himself as a Liturgical Minister – so that the offering up of the gentiles will be acceptable – compare to Malachi 1:11/Isaiah 56:3-7).

          • racarrera

            This was the joy of living in Eastern Europe for me. If the church wasn’t open, the monastery was. There was never a day without liturgy, and even during the Balkan wars, nothing stopped.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            That’s awesome – for me, I live in a Redneck state with less than 4% Catholic population – plus I live in a very small town where Mass is Sunday only because the priest also has a parish and a school in Tulsa to preside over.

          • racarrera

            It’s really tough to be a properly Apostolic Christian outside of the the metropolis. That’s why I miss the East. There, it’s simply organic. I was speaking with one of our scholars today about what a difference life is between here and there. Over in Skopje, I would go to mass with friends, then afterward, the women would throw us out of the kitchen and get to work, and the men would sit and discuss everything from theology to avant-garde jazz and films, to just silly topics. Everything blended, and there was nothing out of place. Here, life is way too segmented.

          • Julie

            Understand this very well.

          • Seraphim2478

            The Liturgy and Church services are the center of life in Slavic lands and it permeats the culture and customs. I was in a situation for a very long time participating in the Cycles of Church services and there a wonderful rhythm to the seasons of Church. To ponder on such things is the only recourse I have left, I feel as though I have been expelled from the garden of Eden…paradise…I hope one day God in His providence will vochsafe me, to partake in that paradise again…. For now I am an exile and the anti- hesychastic winds blow upon my sinful soul… Lord have mercy…

          • Julie

            I met a Serbian Orthodox. We became friends. She is older than me.

            She grew up in the Balkans. She told me the Muslims and Orthodox did not go to their places of worship but the Catholics were very faithful.

            Every Sunday is Resurrection Sunday, the greatest feast in the Church. Each Sunday the Lord manifests Himself just as He did on the day of the Resurrection 2000 years ago.

          • Eric

            Julie, thank you. That is an amazing detail. 🙂

          • Julie LaBrecque

            You’re welcome – how to help understand what Jesus said and what He did is to put yourself in the mindset of a 1st century Jew – they would have immediately put His words in reference to the ‘daily bread’ of their history – the Manna – which also fell at night as flesh.

          • Eric

            That makes sense, Julie. Perfect sense, actually. I never made that connection with Manna before!

          • Grandmere

            And it was bread that “came down from heaven”. Think on that for a while.

          • Eric

            I will, Grandmere. Thank you. 🙂

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Something that you might try to absorb is this – Jesus led a New Exodus – now try reading the gospels (and Acts) in this light – it will help you understand that realities of what Jesus did. The Jews were awaiting ‘a prophet like Moses’, as had been foretold. So study Moses and the Exodus and the Feasts instituted from that event, I think it will help the NT writings open up to you.

          • Eric

            Thank you Julie! I will! 🙂

      • DeusLoVult

        Incredible sir….how a single thought can transform the soul. This article was quite timely…..I had already been strongly considering conversion….this sealed my convictions.

        • Praise God Deus. Wait till you consume the bread of life Deus and see how your soul transforms.

          • DeusLoVult

            Sir, I am so elated by that prospect, I wish I possessed a time machine, so that I might skip forward to the Sunday next.

        • 1Bobby8

          I would say Walid Shoebat has converted more people to the true faith than anybody else I have ever known.

  • Daniel 8 actually begins to set the scenario:

    1 In the third year of the reign of king Belshazzar a vision appeared unto me, even unto me Daniel, after that which appeared unto me at the first.

    2 And I saw in a vision; and it came to pass, when I saw, that I was at Shushan in the palace, which is in the province of Elam; and I saw in a vision, and I was by the river of Ulai.

    3 Then I lifted up mine eyes, and saw, and, behold, there stood before the river a ram which had two horns: and the two horns were high; but one was higher than the other, and the higher came up last.

    4 I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there any that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great.

    5 And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes.

    6 And he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power.

    7 And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand.

    8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.

    9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

    10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

    11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.

    12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

    13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

    14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

    15 And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man.

    16 And I heard a man’s voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.

    17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.

    18 Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright.

    19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.

    20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.

    21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.

    22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.

    23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

    24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

    25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

    26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.

    27 And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king’s business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.

  • Стефан Евгений

    Well and truly done, brother Walid. God has opened your eyes and you see what we have alway seen.

    This is the Epiclesis the calling down of the Holy Spirit. Bishop Sebastain of Romanian Orthodox Church.

    and this is to show all creation rejoices in Christ.

    • susan

      Thank you. If it wasn’t for the articles from the Shoebats, I would still be viewing Russia from a Cold War lens and not from the clear lens of it’s historic Orthodox Christian past and its glorious future.

      • Julie

        We prayed for the Orthodox during the Cold War and knew of the terrible things done to them.

        I pray for the Russian Orthodox also to work more to be in communion with us.

        • Grandmere

          The nuclear fusion is coming.

          • susan

            Perhaps near the end of this year Grandmere if Iran wants to strike under President Obamas term instead of Trumps. Or God forbid…Villary’s. But it will always be in God’s timing and as Walid has said in the past, these things take longer than we think.

          • Grandmere

            I was referring to the three apostolic churches.

          • susan

            Yep. Me too when I said it will be painful. I’m hoping they’ll view an attack on one as an attack on all and will unify.

          • Grandmere

            Christ’s prayer will not go unanswered.

          • susan

            “And Christ’s prayer will not go unanswered.”

            And that’s something we can ALL celebrate!!! 😀

          • AnthonyM

            Interesting thought; fusion is coming, “a merging of separate elements into a unified whole.
            Fission releases heat energy by splitting atoms, which would occur if a black asteroid is subjected to that process.

          • susan

            Lol. Indeed it does!

          • You better watch what you type Anthony about all this fusion and fission and atoms lest the Iranians kidnap you 😉

          • AnthonyM

            LOL, they’d be in trouble, I don’t rise to the level of Absent-minded Professor.
            https://youtu.be/td389xjjENA?t=26s

          • susan

            And it’s gonna be painful.

          • Grandmere

            I’m looking forward to it.

          • susan

            me too Grandmere. 🙂

      • Стефан Евгений

        Thanks susan, I hope I helped in some small way.

        • susan

          More than words can say 🙂

      • PelayoHSV

        Praise be!!! I have some devout Catholic friends who are still wont to see Putin and Russia as the enemy. They are not, as Walid has proven time and time again.

        • susan

          Thank you for your reply. Part of what I’ve run into is whether the consecration was properly done. 🙂

    • I pray that 2016 will bring glad tidings to Russia. It has been almost 100 years since the Tsar gave their support to the Sykes-Picot Agreement, only to see in 1917 the sudden rise of Communism which had the Tsar family murdered.

      • Стефан Евгений

        Thanks Trevor, we all need to seek the Lord,

      • racarrera

        Amen, indeed!

    • DeusLoVult

      Hello Rusky. I have a gift for you. Enjoy, and if you don’t like it, take it in stolid Rusky fashion, and don’t complain. 😉

      • Стефан Евгений

        yes I like it, DLV you may like this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMNqRXwESJE

        • DeusLoVult

          Yay! Rusky power! I can’t wait till Trump takes office….then hopefully relations with Russia will improve considerably. America and Russia would make a great team.

          • Стефан Евгений

            Putin has said the same time and time again. Will people listen?

    • тефан Евгений

      Thank you for the links. The first was beautiful, everything, the art, the voice, the garments … Jesus accepted the best perfume and did give the story where in the King’s banquette, He expected the best of attire or else …

      • Стефан Евгений

        I loved the swallows in the temple, Here is Patriarch Kirill calling down the Holy Spirit to turn the bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ.

        • susan

          This is how I imagine mass would be in heaven. I notice the Priest faces the tabernacle…not the people. He’s actually guiding the people by his actions. Thank you. 🙂

          • xavier

            Hi Susan,

            Regarding the Priest facing the Tabernacle, I visited Goa, India and we still have Old Churches there(ruin’s Of-course) which had these types of worship and when the mass was in Latin

            Check out the Pic I shot here:-

            http://www.4shared.com/download/mOHxAjhice/IMG_20141220_130835366_HDR.jpg?sbsr=53b013b4d2e6a7cc45075a701afd7566962&lgfp=3000

          • susan

            Thank you!!! 🙂

          • Grandmere

            In the service I attend, the priest faces the altar, not the people.

          • susan

            The Catholic’s used to. And then they switched…at least all the churches I’ve been to so far. I’m glad that it’s still practiced with the Angelicans. 🙂

  • susan

    Your article is beautiful in its straightforward simplicity Mr. Shoebat. Thank you. :).

    • Glad to see that you’re lamp is filled with oil Susan. I can tell you later on where to go to find a good priest. You already know how to ask Jesus-style questions and the author of confusion will never get you.

  • This is so heavy and well written.

    It was only four or five weeks ago when, out of the blue, I asked Grandmere, Rod, and finally Rudy if it were possible that the Eucharist was the daily sacrifice that will be taken away by the Antichrist since it were made from grain. And you write this, Walid.

    And then yesterday, I wrote a blog post – http://tiny.cc/pin87x – about why the Turkey-Israel reapproachement should worry all of us. I find Muhammad to be the partial literal fulfillment of Daniel 11:38, yet he did not completely fulfill it to the letter.

    Walid, thanks for putting up with a knucklehead like me.

    • Trevor,

      Thanks for reading the long essay.

      “I asked Grandmere, Rod, and finally Rudy if it were possible that the Eucharist was the daily sacrifice that will be taken away by the Antichrist”

      Do you have these comments handy? Would like to review the process you had.

      • I can’t find the email. I looked in my Gmail “Sent” folder and finally, I asked Rudy if he may still have the email. I haven’t heard back from Rudy yet.

      • DANTEontheLake

        Pardon me for butting in Walid, but here is my post on your site from a month ago.

        https://disqus.com/home/discussion/walidshoebat/turkey_detained_27_russian_ships_on_the_black_sea_turkey_hunkers_down_in_mosul_all_this_escalation_i/#comment-2414404129

        This speculation was inspired by somethings you wrote and this particular translation of Daniel 9:27

        “Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week, and in the middle of the week, My sacrifice and drink-offering will be taken away:….

        I was wondering (in a foggy sort of way) if this could be the Eucharist.

      • racarrera

        I unfortunately did a cleaning of my emails, and that one went away. It’s a shame, because this would have been perfectly germane to this post.

        • Found it! I just posted the email.

      • FOUND IT! In an email dated 12/17/15, I asked Rudy:

        “In this passage talking about the Antichrist taking away the daily sacrifice:

        “And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate.” ~Daniel 9:27 (boldfaced mine),

        Is it possible that instead of looking for the Jews to rebuild the Temple, a possibility I do not want to ignore, this passage could be referring to the Eucharist since it is technically made from grain? We know the Hagia Sophia have been in the infidels hands for hundred of years and the throbbing desire for the Orthodox is to reclaim it again.”

    • Grandmere

      I went back to try to find it and no luck. I do remember it though.

      • Drats! That’s what I get for cleaning my inbox!

  • mspip

    this is a surprise. going to read all of the article above, then may have comments after doing a bit of thinking. Catholics have much truth. the statues and the rosaries are a bit strange to one that was raised as protestant. my half sister is Catholic. tho i am not.

    • Hang out with your half sister mspip. There is much to be learned from the ancient practices, especially receiving the bread of life.

  • Mark T

    Walid Shoebat!
    God Bless you and this site! I just came upon this site today and have added to my top five favorites. I’ll be reading regularly from now on and telling others about your site. YOU ROCK! Love your work!

    • Thank you Mark. Glad to see you join and give feedback.

  • Louis Capdevila

    Just a theory !!! How easy we make doctrine using a bunch of scriptures to push a theory. I don’t think the med evil martyrs at the hands of evil the Catholics clergy would agree.

    • Julie LaBrecque

      Get a grip. Jesus said it, His word stands, not yours.

      • DeusLoVult

        My lady, you should know better than to argue people who acquired their theology degree from a cereal box. 🙂

        • Julie LaBrecque

          Oh, the voice of reason! I should have asked this dolt to explain Isaiah 56, especially how gentiles and EUNUCHS would be priests – and receive a name BETTER than sons or daughters, but an imperishable name ( v. 3) and ask him how his pseudo church offers burnt offerings on the Lord’s altar (v. 7)

    • Strange, I get to be accused of simply “pushing a theory” while Cahn gets:

      “Whether brother Cahn is right or not all he has presented is the possibilities of the scriptures coming to pass. I have heard him with my own ears say that this may or may not come to pass.”

      This despite that Cahn used the Hebrew Calendar as part of his theory, a calendar that if one believes would prove that Jesus was not the Messiah.

      Care to defend that? You can’t and you won’t. I guarantee it 100%.

      You see Louis, proof takes homework, seeking and such, it is not what you are here to do. You are here to simply jot an “opinion”. Opinions are many, they are a dime a dozen, but serious reproof and correction (which takes effort) is only done by few.

  • JB1794

    Revelation 16:15: Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

    Because the western world looks to the [prophecies through their own perspective, they have no idea how rapidly things are happening. Nor do they look at the persecution of Christians in the middle east, they do not want to. Nor do they look at what the US government is doing to herald these changes in the past few years, again, turning a blind eye away. So, like a thief in the night, these things will occur to those who do not look for the signs.

    • racarrera

      Wisdom, indeed.

  • Julie

    Yes Islam is the Red Dragon’s river of vomit attempting to devour the woman…the Church.

    I cannot forget the video I watched here the other day of this woman screaming as she was taken away by this river of frenzied Muslim men…how horrific…they are in the same mode of frenzy as they kill, try to destroy Christian churches, or carry the bodies of their ‘martyrs’ running down the streets shouting and agitated….the blood and rape feeds their anger, hatred and psychopathology.

    • I guess more dragon vomit is on the way. I like the way you explain Julie.

      • Julie

        Yes…it comes from Rev 12. My Baptist grandmother always said the Red Dragon was China, but i see it more as Marxism that plays the victim and blames innocent people and causes people to oppose and invalidate each other…along with its form of militant atheism.

        The vomit is the rejects, the dumb ones. Learning this from the video…they feed on carnal pleasure to the point it drives them literally nuts and they cannot be satiated. Sickening.

        yes…more on our way.

    • I didn’t realize you had said the same thing in another article. I don’t always get notification that I have new response, and I agree with you. The dragon isn’t done vomiting, but just remember, the earth will help out by swallowing the vomit of flood, and this will enrage the dragon who will turn his wrath against the remainders of Mary’s offspring through the Church.

      • Julie

        Yes…and so I wonder how the earth will help swallow. More on the way. We are Mary’s heel who offer our prayers and suffering with her so she can fulfill her mission to crush the head of the serpent.

        And then ….according to some….we will then have the last epoch of time, the Glory of the Trinity that will last a thousand years.

        • That is a good question.

          Would it be like when the earth swallowed the rebellious Jews who challenged Moses’ authority?

          Would it be when Europe finally having enough rising up and fighting back?

          I don’t know. We must be patient and God will reveal how this will take place.

          • Julie

            Pray and offer up all our daily lives as a sacrifice for Our Lord….very powerful if we unite our mundane ordinary lives with and for Him.

          • That is so true.

            I have been disciplining to pray the Our Father prayer daily, if possible up to 3 times, as directed by The Didache.

          • Julie

            The structure of modern life makes it so difficult.

            In ancient times the Christians would spread their arms out as if on a cross, face east and pray the Pater Noster…9 am noon and 5 pm. I keep forgetting and have a full day…so hard.

  • Diana

    This is the age of deception and misinformation. Be careful, Walid. God Bless.

    • Be careful of what Diana? Crossing the road? The neighbor’s dog? Watch for banana peels lest I step on one … ?????

      • Grandmere

        Crackers and grape juice, Chef. As you know, I believe, as you do, in the true presence of Christ in the Eucharist.

        • susan

          Oh. Is that what she was implying? I see I haven’t read enough of her posts 🙁

          • The Pharisees did the same thing Susan when Jesus healed, they accused him of being from the devil. What these folks were trained for years to think is that anything that is different from them, it must be from the devil. Been there, done that. If this was the case with Jesus, it is the case now. According to them, any miracle in the Catholic Church is of the devil except their healing and signs and wonders.

          • Grandmere

            I think she was implying that he was deceived, Julie.

      • Diana

        I’m not sure, Walid, but it made me think about your decision; about the stories that are NOT publicized are those of Muslims who convert to Biblical Christianity without becoming “Catholics” or “Presbyterians” or “Baptists” or anything. Simply Bible-believing Christians.

        I have no doubt that you are aware that LOTS of Muslims are dissatisfied with Islam and are seeking to abandon it, and they (Catholics) want to persuade them that being a Catholic is the same as being a Christian, but it’s not.

        People who converted from Catholicism to Christianity did so because they (as Catholics), grow in “religion” and in their faith in Mary and the Pope and the Church. They grow in knowledge of “mortal” and “venial” sins, and how to get indulgences and all the rest. But they don’t grow in Christ. The Catholic experience stunts their growth. Might I add that the evangelical churches follow the Catholic model (Roman Catholicism Lite) and get the same results much of the time.

        Jesus wants and deserves a mature bride. If Christians don’t grow, the bride remains immature. One of my core beliefs has been that God Himself does the saving, so Satan can’t do anything to cause anyone to be saved or lost. I understand that position has some problems, but the point of the position is that Satan’s attack isn’t against people getting saved, but against Christians growing up. Again: the “eternal daycare center” suggestion. With your life experiences, I always felt somewhere down the line you put Jesus on speed dial.

        • In every essay I would write, or my son Theodore would write, the comments would be to always change the subject in using two simple techniques: the first, is to hail their problems with Catholicism and the other is to preach the Gospel According to them on how to be ‘born again’ ‘confess your sins’ ‘receive your certificate of salvation’ and now ‘you are on your way to perform heart surgeries’. Everyone became an instant heart-surgeon, Pope, theologian, and historian.

          But what about the “grain offering” arguments? You say nothing.

          • Tom_mcewen

            Using a Catholic book the bible and becoming protestant Christians after some pages are torn out of course, protestant theology is first so modify the bible so you can become bible believers. What is wrong with picture.

          • Diana

            I’m not sure, Walid, about the grain offering. I’ve just always thought so much of you, and it threw me off to hear you endorse the Pope, when as we speak, he’s trying to form a one-world religion in these end of days. He even has a logo on the Vatican plane to that effect. Many think he will be the false prophet spoke of in Revelation. I just don’t understand your logic.

        • Rapheal Sebastian

          So by your own judgement Catholics are not Christian? I wonder if you would call St. John Chrysostom non-Christian, or Justin Martyr. Your problem is that you think everyone else is not a Christian just because they are not like you. Sadly there were Christians who were most definitely Catholic way before any of your churches were even founded and created or started. Before Luther and his Protestant heresy became your bread and butter of worship, All Christians were Catholic, in fact for 1500 years before Luther came around there was no divide. And if you know scripture well, you will have to see where division comes from and where deception comes from. Sadly you will never see this.

    • Julie LaBrecque

      Luther brought in the age of deception and misinformation – what Luther started (ending the Mass), the Anti-Christ will bring to full fruition.

      • DANTEontheLake

        Julie you are finally making sense.

        • susan

          Our “brick” is wonderful isn’t she? :)))

          • DANTEontheLake

            I think my head is the brick.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Too nice.

          • DeusLoVult

            My lady, there isn’t hardly a person on here who wouldn’t agree with her. I know I do. 🙂 By the way, your present is in the mail. 😉

          • Julie LaBrecque

            BTW – thanks, they were beautiful, I especially liked 2, 3, and 4.

          • DeusLoVult

            Yes, my lady, I read your email…I sent you a response. I”m usually quick about that. 🙂

        • Julie LaBrecque

          Thanks.

  • Julie

    That is where it becomes difficult and we have to live our faith in mystery.

    I know Catholic priests look more to Daniel about end times than Revelations.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    All I can say is ‘WOW’ – this is one of the greatest treatises ever written – I can only imagine the hours you spent researching, writing, and preparing this -Hats off!! I do hope that the protestants who come here read the article and join the Church that Christ built so they can partake of the precious body and blood of the Lord. before it is too late.

    • Michellemaria

      Amen to that, Julie.

      • Thank you for all your help and contribution Michellemaria.

        • Michellemaria

          Thank you, Walid and God bless you for all the work you do.

    • Thank you sister Julie. As I said to Deus, prophecy was not given to only find the timing of things, but to find the truth. You know I read the references all you guys posted for the trolls, they ignored them, I paid attention, read, ate and consumed. Gleaning and salvaging is a middle eastern trait. Nothing is to go to waste. One can never work on their sin without confession and Eucharist. It is only then that we can begin to conquer sin.

      • Julie LaBrecque

        Today is my birthday – this article was the greatest gift of all.

        • Happy birthday, friend! Thanks for putting up with a knucklehead like me.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            From one knucklehead to another, thanks.

        • DeusLoVult

          Happy birthday, my lady!!!! 😀 😀 I’ll have to send you an email present later. :))

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Thanks, it will do until I get the champagne!

          • susan

            Happy birthday!!! :))

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Thanks – keep the Haldol handy.

        • Grandmere

          I wont ask how many bricks are on the cake! Happy birthday.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            A bunch!

          • Grandmere

            Mine is the 24th and I want to comfort you . No matter how old you get, I will always be older.

          • DeusLoVult

            I don’t think I can top that gift, my lady. 😉

          • Julie LaBrecque

            I don’t think I’m very far behind though – Happy day to you in advance, hope Pops is well.

          • Grandmere

            Surgery was a wonderful success. He is already on a consulting job.

        • AnthonyM

          Happy Birthday!!

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Thanks, just don’t ask ‘how many candles’!

          • AnthonyM

            ok, fair enough 😉

          • How many candles.

          • AnthonyM

            lol

          • Julie LaBrecque

            50 plus 6

          • Thats about 56,000 miles on the engine. If you change the oil on time, you will still run for an additional 70,000 miles before the shock absorbers go out, but as long as the engine runs, you will be fine. Just make sure your radiator does not explode dealing with all the trolls around here.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            You are too funny!! I wish I could be a mouse in your house – it must be a load of something all the time. By the way, I have that Saddam Hussein poster finally located, what address can I mail it to – it will be in a cylindrical mailing tube.

          • richinnameonly

            You’ll never catch me. I can barely see back that far.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Well – congratulations!

          • richinnameonly

            Thanks, I think. Julie, as an aside would you be so kind as to let me have the RCC or any Orthodox position you may know of on gargoyles? I’ve read a little about them after seeing my son bring one home from a Goodwill store. They look so evil but have been used on church structures. Hadn’t thought about them in years.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            I don’t know much about Gargoyles – other than they are used as decorative down spouts on large buildings.

        • Higlac

          Many happy returns, Ms.LaBrecque!!! [Also posted on Facebook.]

          I’ve just started reading this article – the part about the Desolation of the Temple is critically important all right. [At the same time, it’s likely 7 years since I last ever took Communion in a church (Continuing-tradition Anglican church which since has joined the Roman church) over 110 km. away. I’ve been worried for some time now if God Would be angry with me for avoiding church all this time because the ones I feel closest to theologically are so far away. In fact, my thérapiste has really been nasty with me over that (my bottommost excuse was and is because I’m pretty anti-social)!!]

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Thanks, Higs, always learn from your vast knowledge. I must encourage you to return to Church – it is ever so crucial, esp the closer we get to the end. For a Catholic, not attending Mass is not a choice because we have to participate in the offering. I have a close friend that is somewhat anti-social, not that she doesn’t like people, she just has an anxiety disorder that the medical community prefers to treat with anti-depressants (she does need that too), but not with the medication that will alleviate it because it is so addictive. Maybe if you found a confidant at the church to buddy up with would help.

        • Стефан Евгений
          • Julie LaBrecque

            Thanks my Ruskie friend.

        • rodolfo

          May our Lord Jesus Christ will continue to shine His light upon you not only in this special day but also for the days to come.
          BUON NATALE!

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Thanks so much – I just hope I’m worthy.

          • rodolfo

            Wow! You already received the gift of humility.

          • racarrera

            Tantissimi auguri!

          • rodolfo

            Thanks. Its past Christmas. My mistake.

        • Lidia

          Happy Birthday Julie!!! I learned so much from you about being Catholic. You are an inspiration to me and many others. You are a great spokesperson for the Catholics. Don’t laugh but when you write your comments and constantly explain things to people, especially those who attack the Catholic Church, I think of you as someone like the White House Press Secretary whose primary responsibility is to act as spokesman for the United States government administration and the president.
          I will call you the Catholic Press Secretary!!

          • Julie LaBrecque

            That is hilarious! Thanks, glad you enjoy.

        • ace

          All God’s choicest blessings be yours today (and tomorrow or whenever you see this) and always!

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Thanks, Ace, hope we are all blessed this year.

        • racarrera

          God grant you many years!

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Thanks Rudy – love the family here, hope we get the rest of the way-wards on their way home, Walid sure is rustling them up into the corral, now if they will just get into the squeeze chutes for their medicine.

          • racarrera

            Oh, that would be nice. And to apply it with a good poker would be better. They are in dire need of it.

        • Michellemaria

          Happy belated birthday wishes 🙂

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Thanks Michelle.

        • Kkdgrace

          Well Happy Birthday! Mine was just a couple of days ago…but I’m not into counting my candles as well!

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Belated Happy Birthday to you!

        • 1Bobby8

          Happy Birthday Julie!!!

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Thanks Bobby – glad to see you in here.

        • Kamau41

          Happy belated Birthday Julie.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Thanks Kamau – stay salty!

  • “and has already been fulfilled.”

    Please explain. Would like to see you’re view.

  • Ignacio

    Speechless, I need to read this again, and again… Thank you Walid, God bless you.

  • ace

    Thank you very sincerely for this. I wait to comment in depth until I have fully read and digested it all. I have to now attend to homework for class tomorrow, so I have to pull myself away despite being riveted. The hair on my arms stood up as I was reading parts of this. I have been saying to other Catholics, how could one miss daily Mass when there could come a time when one no longer had easy access to this greatest of gifts, and knowing the missed opportunities of years past?

    Thank you also for the icon of “The Helper in Childbirth”. I printed it out on my computer and placed it in a brown/reddish frame and will have it blessed – beautiful!

    A couple of minor comments before I can later give this article the proper consideration:

    – Truly, it is the “gist” of something, and that is no “jest”.
    – When talking about the Eucharist, I always like to include the Passover sacrifice and why the Eucharist was instituted at a Passover meal, why we use unleavened bread, why the “Bread of the Presence” or Showbread is unleavened, why there were 12 cakes, etc. and why, when celebrating the Eucharistic Passover, we understand that this is what Jesus did for us and does for us when He brings us out from the slavery to our sins…

    Thank you again so very much for this article! Love and prayers to you are yours on this great expose!

    • The Passover, a foreshadow, all right.

    • Ace,

      thank you for your comment and thank you for contributing on here and being with us this whole way.

      I know what you mean, but I wanted to focus on what is rarely discussed as to why this element “the grain offering” was so crucial and it was long as it was.

      “Truly, it is the “gist” of something, and that is no “jest”.”

      I didn’t get that line. What do you mean?

      • Grandmere

        In the text of the article the word gist was spelled as jest. Congratulations and God’s continued blessing on you.

        • Got it thanks Grandmere. I always had trouble with gist and typed jest

      • ace

        Well, I’m done with my homework, hours later and I see that the “jest” is on me since the “gist” is now in the text and I failed to get a screen shot – not that I could post it anymore if I had gotten one ; – )

        Of course, the grain and wine is also echoed in Gen 14:18 “And Melchiz′edek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was priest of God Most High.” and Psalm 110:4 “The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind,’You are a priest for ever after the order of Melchiz′edek.’ ” and, finally, all of Hebrews 7 where Jesus holds his priesthood permanently and forever continues saving and making intercession for us sinners.

        Where many Protestants seem to get hung up with Hebrews is the description of Jesus’ once for all sacrifice. What they need to remember is that time is a construct made by God for man, but that God lives forever at once both outside of time and within time. In the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, Jesus’ once for all sacrifice is again made again present for us and, through faith, we are once more present at the one sacrifice of Calvary.

        How can this be, and why is it necessary. Well, nothing is impossible for God, and folks need only recall that when Jews celebrate the Passover, they don’t merely recall it, but once more make the Exodus salvation present. It is the memorial which is more than a memorial.

        Now as to why the re-making-present of the sacrifice of Calvary is necessary, we have only to remember that God is both merciful and just. When a person comes to know Jesus as their personal Savior, we can only repent of the sins we have already committed. What do we do about the sins we commit after our conversion? Now, this is rather hard to explain, but let me try:

        Proverbs 28:13 reads: “He who conceals his transgressions will not prosper, but he who confesses and forsakes them will obtain mercy.” Indeed, this concept is echoed in Deuteronomy 30 where, after the people have experienced both blessings and curses, they are promised that, if they return to the Lord with all their heart and soul and again obey His voice, he will have compassion (mercy) on them and restore their fortunes.

        Then, in Jeremiah 30:8, the restoration promised includes the words: “I will cleanse them from all the guilt of their sin against me, and I will forgive all the guilt of their sin and rebellion against me.” In the NT, in the prophecy of Zechariah, regarding his son, John the Baptist (Luke 1:76-79), the last of the OT prophets, John is to prepare the way for the Lord, by giving knowledge of salvation to His people in the forgiveness of sins, through the tender mercy of God. As Paul says in 2 Cor 7:10, “For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation.” Hence, repentance leads to God showing his mercy by forgiveness of sin, while the guilt of the sin, is born by Christ’s death which brings about salvation. As it says in Hebrews 9:22, “Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins”.

        So, to receive God’s mercy we have to repent, confess our sins, and have the guilt (penalty) removed by Christ’s sacrifice. The sacrifice cannot be applied until we repent and confess. God will show us his mercy, but he will also show his justice by applying Christ’s sacrifice if we repent and eat of the flesh and drink of the blood (John 6:53-56). That is why we daily need the “supersubstantial” food – the daily bread epiousioswe pray for in the Our Father and consume at the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. (For Protestants and any interested, go look up Strongs G1967 in the Blue Letter Bible)

        • ace

          I was also interested in the part about the god of Antiochus being the same as Haddad and the Muslim Allah and the Maccabees story being a foreshadowing of the Antichrist and why the Muslims prohibit alcohol and the “drink offering”. Thank you again.

  • AnthonyM

    Really excellent article!
    God must abhor a restored meat sacrifice, since His Son Jesus was the fulfillment of the Old Testament sacrifice. A bloody sacrifice after Cavalry would seem offensive and dishonors Jesus’s sacrificial offering.

    It never occurred to me the disciples were collecting grain heads to make bread. I assumed they were just eating the grain (after removing the husks) as they walked. Never thinking it was to make bread. Such great self control, to eat so little when being hungry, thought I.

    Possibly one reason God rejected Can’s wheat offering was to show first must come the bloody sacrifice. After that will come the grain offering (Eucharist) which will be accepted.

    • I love your last point. Excellent observation. First the animal then the wheat.

      I know all about eating the wheat from the fields Anthony. I used to do it all the time with friends. Even at times taking a bundle of wheat and offering it in a burnt offering. My grand mother did this. She said it was old tradition. Now I fully understand why.

      • ace

        Was it the Einkorn single grain wheat? The real “finest wheat” is, of course, the Eucharist, but Einkorn was considered the finest wheat because it was the wheat of the Pharaohs & it probably was the wheat variety the disciples were eating. John 12: 24 is translated “Unless a corn of wheat…” in some translations, and then, there are the Church Fathers, for example:

        “For He, we know, who spoke of his natural body as corn and bread, and, again, called Himself a vine, dignified the visible symbols by the appellation of the body and blood, not because He had changed their nature, but because to their nature He had added grace.” (Theodoret, Diologue I, Eranistes and Orthodoxus.)

        Of course, corn was domesticated in the Americas, so it’s not talking about the corn we normally think of, but rather the grain of wheat or the Einkorn variety of wheat.

        Since you grind your own wheat for bread, thought you might be interested in this bit of trivia, if you didn’t already know. Anyone interested might start their einkorn research here: http://www.einkorn.com/einkorn-nutritional-facts/

      • AnthonyM

        Haven’t burnt bundle of wheat yet, seems like a good tradition. We just the palms from the previous year at Easter time.

  • Julie

    Walid doesn’t believe in rapture though. Not at all.

    There is a monsignor out there….referring to Christ and warning people to flee, a very bad time for nursing women….he thinks that time has already passed….and the 144,000 are the Jews who accepted Christ and were protected with the destruction by the Romans, who found refuge on Mt Zion.

    I think because Scripture is authored by God’s hand Who exists as I Am in eternal time, there are always passages we can relate to in our time that we can draw on.

    I do know Daniel has passages the clergy refer more to than other passages of the Apocrypha. Fr Joseph Iannuzzi is the most formidable studying both Catholic, early Church Fathers, and Protestant apocrypha, and he believes…it is a matter of faith…and it coincides with a priest movement I was part of years ago…that we would experience the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary and the reign of the Sacred Heart of Jesus, not the final judgment or Christ ruling for a thousand years on earth…because then there would be no need for faith or hope.

    We cannot live without faith and hope until the Lord makes for us the New Jerusalem, a new heaven and a new earth.

  • Joseph

    WOW! Best news I’ve heard in weeks. This is simply OUTSTANDING! Good for you, Walid. God has richly blessed you by giving you all the graces you needed to enter the true Church founded by His Son. I teach RCIA at our local parish and I see souls experience this “epiphany”, that the Catholic Church IS the true Church founded by Christ. Then they take the steps necessary to be either baptized and confirmed, or simply received into the Church and confirmed. And it is a beautiful thing to see. It is God’s grace at work in souls! Well done, Walid. I warmly welcome you into the Church. I’ve noticed for years that you have a very Catholic perspective. I only wondered if you might become Orthodox. But to my mind, what you have done is the best of both worlds. If you were confirmed in a Maronite Church, you have all the rich, beautiful liturgy of the Eastern Churches, but you are still “Catholic”. Perfect. God Bless you and your family.

    • Julie

      I want to share this with my pastor and priests and other clergymen.

      • Let me know what they say Julie.

        • Julie

          Yes…but I am thinking about this…and they are so extremely busy. I live in a 8000 registered member parish. We have events all the time. Hispanic and Vietnamese, too.

          There is a parochial vicar I have been planning to ask some questions that is being refuted by my faith formation director and another on Catholic Answers that I learned in training at archdiocese many years ago. So I will ask him if he would like to read your essay. It is very good.

    • Thank you brother Joseph. I thought about Orthodox, then Christ is one, not two. The Church is to be ONE. The original is the original. The history is just remarkable, Lepanto, Potier and the heroism of the saints … just a Niagara falls of miracles all throughout history that is impossible to refute, so much history to consider and too many slanders to fill libraries by the English against Catholic Spain. When I went through all the slander by CNN it was for a reason. It was only then that I identified with what it is like to be slandered. I spent months looking for evidence of my bombing operation in Bethlehem. I even finally found it, to only put up with more slander. Then I read what Pope Pius XII did for the Jews and more slander calling the Pope “Hitler’s Pope”

      What was amazing to me was the Eucharist and the Mark of God on the forehead (Ash Wed). The Eucharist is medicine. Could never get rid of or deal with sins until I confessed and took the bread. Lets talk when you get a chance. Send me a number and I will delete it from the comment section.

      • Joseph

        Thank you for the reply, Walid. I will send you my cell number in an email in a few minutes, if that’s okay with you. Of course, I would love to speak with you further about your ‘conversion’ and about anything else you might want to talk about. Look for the email with my number and call me anytime. I look forward to it!

        • Indeed brother Joseph,

          If I do not get your email (it has to be forwarded to me from the office) call at (877) 832 7200 and speak to Keith and tell him “please forward this number as per Walid’s request”.

          • Joseph

            Yessir, will do! Thanks.

      • racarrera

        The Church is always going to be one. Our quibble is regarding the Pontiff’s position as head of the Church, rather than as First Among Equals. Once that matter is finally settled, there will be reunification. Coincidentally, the 1700th Anniversary of the First Ecumenical Council is in 2025. I play to retire in Nicea and watch this happen.

  • mitman

    That should say clarify and not calcify.
    I also meant to mention that Pope Paul the VI said that “The smoke of Satan had entered the Vatican” and this makes sense to me as Satan will always want to destroy the true Church and where best to that from but within and also through divide and conquer with Luther. What really gets my goat up is how quickly these tricksters try to rewrite history and forget or completely ignore the phenomenal good work that the Catholic church has done throughout the entire world though the ages, particularly hospitals and schools. Even muslims in some european countries, France for example and especially in Marseille, prefer to attend Catholic schools although this is a mystery as in most Catholic schools one must be baptised. In Ireland presently a muslim organisation is trying to get the government to address having to be baptised to enrol in Catholic schools, even though there are mixed schools in Ireland as well that would do. its always Catholicism that’s under attack….hmm!

    • Brother mitman,

      “…always came back to Catholicism because everybody else hated it.”

      This was exactly the case for me since I too was hated and slandered by so many. Slander is key “blessed are you when they say all sorts of slander against you”.

      As far as Fatma, they say that Sister Lucia said that the consecration was accepted. I also refer to Daniel the “bad news from the north” which causes Antichrist to “come to his end”. Catholics divide on the issue.

      “My question is this: in the Islamic accounts of this angel, did he come in a bolt of lighting and where there many other angels with him?”

      Indeed. Muhammad said he saw a multitude of angels when he mounted the Buraq. In this link (see what is written below the video):

      http://shoebat.com/2014/05/30/biblical-evidence-worship-allah-worship-lucifer/

      You will find much on this topic. Also read this one to understand these angelic casting from heaven which is all about the Antichrist:

      http://shoebat.com/2014/10/08/terror-turkey-least-nine-dead-demonstrators-take-streets-across-country-governments-lack-action-isis/

      There is much more. Indeed, Muhammad saw countless of fallen angels and even recognized the demons and made many of them in accordance to his religion to be “good muslims”.

      • mitman

        Thank you so much Walid. It makes so much sense. You are truly a brilliant man and scholar of immeasurable value.

        On another note. Are you aware of the Popes Jubilee year of Mercy. This is an extraordinary gift from God to all sinners and the timing is incredible in light of current events. If you are not aware of this please research it as it is available to all Catholic churches. The passage through the mercy door. Here is a link to the Popes letter entitled “LETTER OF HIS HOLINESS POPE FRANCIS ACCORDING TO WHICH AN INDULGENCE IS GRANTED TO THE FAITHFUL ON THE OCCASION OF THE EXTRAORDINARY JUBILEE OF MERCY” https://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/letters/2015/documents/papa-francesco_20150901_lettera-indulgenza-giubileo-misericordia.html

        Here is the site of all pertaining to the Jubilee Year of Mercy. http://www.im.va/content/gdm/en.html

        I don’t think this is off point of the article, and I believe It is of utmost importance. I myself hope to travel to Rome to do the pilgrimage through the mercy door at St Peter’s basilica. The beautiful thing is that this is not restricted to Rome but is available world wide and all can avail.

        • Interesting Mitman, Jubilee. When I was into the Messianic movement, we always thought of Jubilee from an ancient Israel perspective forgetting that God went to the Gentiles. I hope and pray that in 2017, there will be a cleansing and forgiveness. As far as our previous discussion, keep in mind, always, the Buraq is described as Lucifer was in Isaiah. What we will see is the continual fight between God and the devil, saint and damned …

          • mitman

            Thanking you

  • Seraphim2478

    Great to see you hammering out another excellent article. The Eucharistic mystery…. Wow…it would seem in the notion that Christ is resacraficed again and again is not what occurs at all, it indeed occurs that Christ died once, so maybe the perspective is that each in every time we enter into the Eucharistic mystery, that some how some way we enter “sacred space”, for lack of better words. In a mysterious way the past, the present and the future are brought into perfect and sublime unity…to express the event that takes place is by way of preparation and of course participation in this mystery of mysteries…
    In a mystical and sober way… and may I say in a very real way we are earthly/heavenly communicants in the bloodless sacrifice…where we fall down..in awe… and behold the unbeholdable… Where cheribum, seraphim and angels gaze with fear and love…this most wonderful and fearful mystery…let all mortal flesh keep silent….!!!

    • Grandmere

      So beautifully stated, Angel.

      • Seraphim2478

        Thank you dear Grandmere! I really enjoy you and all the regular spiritual cosmonauts, who make the discussions colorful and comical at times! Lol please keep me in your prayers dear Grandmere!

        • Grandmere

          Always. We have been praying for your situation at work.

    • Love the way you put it. You just described Mount Zion Seraphim. Are you sure you are not an angel I am entertaining here? Love the way you put it all: In a mysterious way the past, the present and the future are brought into perfect and sublime unity… I love Catholics.

      • Seraphim2478

        Walid, I kindly thank you. I was very inspired by the discovery you are making. I know in myself I am a pile of dung, I see nothing, I am like a man that true to his sinful condition can only fall and Get up, fall and Get up…I love what you offer and bring to the table, especially when you write scholarly articles on Church history and of course your articles on Biblical prophecies! Keep up the good work and pray for me brother Walid!

        • Tom_mcewen

          You are part of a family, you have a brother called Jesus, God created you and be did not create you as a pile of dung. God created the universe and you are part of it and said God said it was good.

          • Seraphim2478

            Thank you Tom, I don’t mean that I am dung by nature, certainly not! I mean dung in the sense that my response and by my deeds, by my spiritual condition, how I have defiled my temple. By nature you are correct, created in the image of God. However in Orthodoxy we follow the path of ceaseless self reproach, many of the Holy fathers followed this royal road….we must follow the way of the publican prayer, “God be merciful to me a sinner…” the Holy fathers changed the words slightly of the prayer, to “Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on me a sinner”. It is not uncommon for us to repeat what the Holy Church proclaims during pre Lenten services, “I have not the righteousness of the Pharisee, nor the humility of the publican”. With all this we are not despondent nor joyless…au’ contraire’…..we secretly find great peace and a quiet joy….we wrestle against proud demons and a world that tell us we must be proud and boisterous….we spurn and spit on this lie of the evil one…!! My view is that if the Holy fathers needed self reproach, men and women who were earthly angels and heavenly men, how much do people like me need this salvific medicine! 😉

          • Seraphim2478

            Thank you Tom, I don’t mean that I am dung by nature, certainly not! I mean dung in the sense that my response and by my deeds, by my spiritual condition, how I have defiled my temple. By nature you are correct, created in the image of God. However in Orthodoxy we follow the path of ceaseless self reproach, many of the Holy fathers followed this royal road….we must follow the way of the publican prayer, “God be merciful to me a sinner…” the Holy fathers changed the words slightly of the prayer, to “Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on me a sinner”. It is not uncommon for us to repeat what the Holy Church proclaims during pre Lenten services, “I have not the righteousness of the Pharisee, nor the humility of the publican”. With all this we are not despondent nor joyless…au’ contraire’…..we secretly find great peace and a quiet joy….we wrestle against proud demons and a world that tell us we must be proud and boisterous….we spurn and spit on this lie of the evil one…!! My view is that if the Holy fathers needed self reproach, men and women who were earthly angels and heavenly men, how much do people like me, who are great sinners need this salvific medicine! 😉

          • Seraphim2478

            I posted this comment this morning and it didn’t appear on here…I went back to my diqus home page and found it under my comments…I posted this morning and never surfaced….hmm…??

          • susan

            Some of mine never show up. I think it’s glitches. Most of my stuff is so unimportant I can’t even remember what I wrote 🙂

          • Tom_mcewen

            Well, you are Orthodox therefore you are to be taken seriously. I have met many Russians who suffer for us and punish themselves in the belief that they are taking on the pain as a gift to others. I thought you were using Luther’s language. The Orthodox are tough and they are welcomed by me. Tom

  • Andrea

    Welcome Home Walid!!! May God Bless you and Keep You and May His Face Shine upon You.

  • That is not what your post said, especially in the 2nd paragraph. That is exactly what Preterists teaches, they say everything was fulfilled in 70AD.

    • He must have deleted his comment. I didn’t do it.

      • It would appear so. Shame. It is like quoting St. John of Damascus sent him scurrying.

        He sent you to a website that was blatantly anti-Rome and rejected the Islamic antichrist theory outright.

  • susan

    Not true. It literally DOES have something to do with the end times. You’re reading the inaccurate prophecy interpretations. 🙁

    • There are three views regarding Daniel 9:27 and one of them says that it has nothing to do with end time. Assuming, and just assuming they are correct, what does one do with the volume of end times in other parts of the Bible?

      What this theory is trying to do is to say that Jesus all of the sudden will (puff) just shows up. All these prophecies in the Bible has been fulfilled already. They take what was type of fulfillment and apply it as THE fulfillment. This phenomenon exists in both circles Protestant and Catholic.

      • susan

        I think it got too hot in the kitchen for him. He bailed and took his comment with him.

        • But these comments were not what the topic was. he topic was the importance of Communion. He wanted to say that there is no end-times. Jesus will puff, just show up.

          • Alexander

            I’m more than willing to discuss this in a friendly manner, but redundant comments like Susan’s is what’s turning me off from coming back.

          • Okay Alexander, no need for anyone any alarm here. The article was more on why the Eucharist is crucial. I asked you to explain your position and you said the ball is in my court. So to you “the people of the prince” who is this prince and who and what time in history are these “people of the prince”?

    • Keep in mind Susan, Jesus Himself when He was asked about His coming and He said to look at Daniel and His prophecy regarding the “Abomination of Desolation”. There are a lot of people with lots of theories.

  • susan

    It won’t be a small thing. It will spread quickly.

  • DANTEontheLake

    “dressed up in Hawaiian shirts with multiple colors”

    • They look like space cadets. Never knew that Jesus was a surfer.

  • That website has a huge blunder.

    In verse 26 of Daniel 9,

    “And after the sixty-two weeks, Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself, and the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, and till the end of the war desolation are determined.”

    Jesus was crucified (Messiah shall be cut off) for Israel, and by extension, the whole world. The people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary, which speaks what Rome did with the X Legion when they destroyed the Jewish temple, thus fulfilling Jesus’ words that not one stone would left.

    The next verse, 27,

    Then he shall confirmed a covenant with many for one week; but in the middle of the week he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, even until the consummation, which is determined, is poured out on the desolate.

    How could Jesus cause the abomination that makes desolation? That does not make sense, unless we look at what Islam does, then it suddenly makes sense. Islam hates everything that has to do with Christianity since Christianity are heavily rooted in Judaism as the fulfillment of Judaism because of Christ. Islam denies Jesus’ divinity, which satisfies the litmus test of 1 John 2, for whosoever denies the Son, denies the Father who sent Him.

    That website also contradicts Jesus’ instruction to go out into the world.

    And that website is clearly anti-Rome, which does not surprise me at all. It is clear that website is strictly Preterism. Here is just one quote, “You will see that while radical Muslims are an enemy of Christians, they
    are controlled by the Jesuits of the Roman Catholic Church.” Yup, heard this one too many times. So while y’all are waiting for the Vatican to be destroyed, I will be watching for Mecca, which is home to the most filthy and unholy site in the world where Muslims bow and rise their butt to worship the black stone, which was placed by Muhammad himself to be the direction of worship for all Muslims, being destroyed by their archival, Iran. And this quote, “They helped him write the Qur’an, with beliefs that are very similar to Catholicism.” Oh please!

    I guess they have never heard of St. John of Damascus who would flatly refute that claim. Here, I challenge you to read St. John of Damascus’ critique of Islam – http://orthodoxinfo.com/general/stjohn_islam.aspx. Let see if you have the courage to face the truth that you have been lied to.

    • susan

      Well, even if he won’t admit it, there are probably others that are seeing this for the first time and maybe they’ll get it.

      • I hope so. Accusing Rome for all the evils in the world is slanderous as blaming the Jews for everything under the sun.

        Still, there will be those who will rather remain in ignorance.

        • Alexander

          Keep in mind that I in no way attacked the Catholic Church, that I don’t believe in the end times scenarios, that I’m advocating some ‘Everything is fulfilled’ notion or whatever you’re thinking.

          I simply said that Daniel 9:27 cannot be referring to the end times, that’s all. Every single one of you immediately assumed I advocated all those ideas out of thin air.

          • In the first paragraph, you just proved yourself to be a Preterist.

            In the 2nd paragraph, I addressed that above and have you read St. John of Damascus critique of Islam? If not, why not?

  • “Do you cast out devils?”

    He doesn’t, but I do. I toss them out of my blog.

    “Do lay hands on the sick?”

    Indeed, we do, we give them haldol and there are many nurses here ready to administer the right dose because you might need it. You do not cast devils. Neither do you speak in tongues.

    “Do you speak in other tongues?”

    If you mean repeating shuddbataaahanda a hundred times in a row, the answer is no. We here simply slow down and say “should have bought a Honda” instead of shudabataaahanda..

    “Do you will souls for Christ, instead to your religion?”

    You mean “win should” not “will souls” and the answer is YES, we have had many converts who babbled just like you and now they are healthy taking Communion.

    “Do you plant churches and ministries fir the glory of God?”

    No we do not worship fir trees as you do. Our ministry IS FOR the glory of God and not fir trees.

    “Or do you just gain knowledge and deny the power thereof”

    Actually we quote the scripture correctly over here: “having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.”

    Unlike you, we know that we could be cursed for the lack of knowledge which you encourage by stating “just gaining knowledge”, nothing wrong with gaining knowledge which obviously you lack. But as having a form of godliness is what you seem to be displaying of what Jesus warned “Lord lord we heal in your name and cast devils … ” isn’t that exactly what you claim to do?

    You see Louis, you are no doubt in error. I asked you, do you support using a calendar that denies Jesus? What did you say? Nothing. It mattered NOTHING to you. What mattered to you is that some guy wears a Talit while he spews out heresies.

    • susan

      Do you have another patient Dr. Shoebat? I’ve got the syringe ready.

      • DeusLoVult

        My lady, give him a sedative first. I’ll get the straitjacket.

        • susan

          Better hurry! He’s liable to flee just like our last patient.

          • DeusLoVult

            Hold on, my lady….I’ll administer a dose of, er….hammeritus.

      • Yes, this one belabors something about buying a Honda instead of a Toyota and he says it 1000 times. Give him/her the haldol.

        • Grandmere

          He could go into convulsions at any time. Please – don’t touch his forehead.

          • Стефан Евгений

            We, say ”don’t touch it or it will stink!”

      • Grandmere

        Dang it! Just when we had that last batch settled down! We may have to get nurse Ratched out of retirement.

  • Ratliff

    You said essay, but I think you might have meant dissertation, Walid (he said, smiling wryly).

    Between my first Antiochian Orthodox Mass and this, my head is swimming. I thank G-D for you; you are a game changer.

    • In the Middle East when we say food we mean an entire roasted lamb sitting on a bed of rice the size of a flying saucer.

      So you went to an Antiochian Orthodox Mass Ratliff? Excellent. How was it.

      • Ratliff

        Where do I start? VERY different than what I have known, that is for sure. We liked it. There are quite a few choices around LA.

        My son and I are both convinced that we are going to go deeper and investigate to find a church home. We are on the right track, for sure.

        I am convinced that G-D is moving among the wheat and the tares; some are moving further in the wrong direction while others toward The Most High. It is surprising how receptive evangelical people I know are to the idea of digging back toward the apostolic beginnings.

        Things are happening, brother; it is both beautiful and terrible at the same time.

        • DANTEontheLake

          I am a protestant but I feel I am at this point I must head for higher ground and visit an Orthodox church in my area.

          • Ratliff

            May G-D bless your search. Seek and ye shall find…

          • Ratliff

            I have seen the practices of so many churches in my walk among the evangelical types, and the one thing that comes to mind is leaves being blown by the wind. The doctrines taught are all over the place.

          • DANTEontheLake

            For me and my church it is not what they have taught me. I am convinced it is what they are failing to teach me (ie leaving out).

          • Ratliff

            Exactly. The chain was broken, and there are things that didn’t come with.

          • Grandmere

            I always had such an uneasy feeling about what my parents raised me in. It was not easy when I left, but they did accept it and my mother came to the church before she died.

          • Kkdgrace

            There is so much truth in your statement here. I love your analogy of the doctrines taught as being like leaves being blown by the wind. All too true and the cause of so much confusion in the world of Christendom. I keep reminding myself that God is not a God of confusion, so something must be really “off” here.

          • Have you met my new friend Mr. Ratliff? He’s a great person to fellowship with and marathon runner of the first order 😉

          • mspip

            good comparison!!

          • DANTEontheLake

            It will not be easy. I have been a member of the same (in my mind) very good conservative Bible teaching Baptist church since my conversion to Christ in 1977. The same pastor of the church who married my wife and I in 1986 performed the funeral service for her in 2011. I could go on and on about the blessings I had being part of the church.

          • Ratliff

            Brother, do I EVER understand what you are saying! It took my son urging me to break the inertia after leaving a Calvary Chapel to DO SOMETHING. We had sporadically attended another mega church, but we were not settled. We tried, but something was not happening.

            I must have been hard for Abraham to leave home and family (though he wasn’t completely obedient on the family part) and step out in faith.

          • mspip

            am considering that also. i was protestant, have not attended any church for over 2 years.

          • Grandmere

            That’s because you felt uneasy. You are on the way now.

        • racarrera

          Welcome to it, Ratliff. There is a magnificent Antiochian Church in Riverside, should you ever venture out into the Inland Empire. The priest there, Fr. Josiah, is quite good.

          • Ratliff

            I left that very question on your website a week or two ago; at least, I thought I did. Maybe it was operator error on my part. Thank you, though. I will make a note of that.

          • racarrera

            I never received it. But if you try there again, let me know, and we’ll stay in contact via e-mail.

      • Ratliff

        So invite me to dinner, man.

  • DANTEontheLake

    I have a thought which is coming from a protestant (meaning i do not want to come to this conclusion) but the removing of the Eucharist in the end times may be a culmination of a process that started with the reformation.

    • Grandmere

      That’s right, Dante.

  • Why do you people NEVER answer a question? I asked you regarding the Hebrew Calendar (this is the third time). You had made a comment in support of Cahn. The Hebrew Calendar as the central foundation for setting prophetic Jubilee and Sabbatical years (Shemitah). This became a major problem when Messianic Rabbi, Jonathan Cahn was confronted on one TV program, when one of his major promoters discovered that his date-setting predictions (of supposed coming calamities on America) ended up denying Jesus as the Messiah had him admit he based his book using calculations based on his own privately concocted new Hebrew Calendar, which never even existed.

    Using the current Hebrew Calendar completely makes null-and-void that Jesus was The Messiah, while insisting on the Hebrew Bible (done to avoid using Greek also undermines Jesus’s Messiahship. This Biblical Hebrew Calendar, several Messianic movements claims to being the “Creator’s calendar” that “provides accurate setting for Jubilee and Sabbatical years” is incorrect. There are endless theories and new concoctions on when these dates are to be set.

    First of all, no one can pin-point when creation all started; the calendar which was created by rabbis who denied Jesus as the Messiah, is nowhere found in the Bible and for anyone who claims the faith of Messianic Judaism, to insist on the calendar’s accuracy would make Daniel 9’s Seventy Weeks un-qualify Jesus as Messiah.

    Perhaps you might clarify?

    • racarrera

      If they answer a question, they get outed as fools. Simple as that.

  • Why is it when I come to the defense of Catholics I am accused of being Catholic?

    Oh, it’s because I use my brains and look at doctrines, and to horror of horrors, I actually read the early Church Fathers! If reading them makes me Catholic, I’ll take it.

    But why stop at being Catholic? Why not Orthodox? I like their teachings. Why stop at Orthodox? I like the Coptics, and it was actually the late pope of theirs, a Mr. Shendoua whose theological writings ended my prejudices against Rome. The Coptics hold to many of the same doctrines as Rome. So why not I be a Catholic, Orthodox, or Coptic? In fact, I would like to be an Anglican too, because they have the same 7 Sacrements that Rome and the Coptics have too.

    And since the comments have been removed, it’s a shame because St. John of Damascus’ critique of Islam would have destroyed every high arguments against Rome.

    And I’m talking to myself.

    • Grandmere

      I’m always listening, brother.

      • Стефан Евгений

        and me , I was at church, then went looking for a new house, so i missed most of what happened.

    • racarrera

      All would be proud to have you.

  • I would gladly answer your question. Here, I have prepared an entire essay on that one:

    http://shoebat.com/2014/03/12/drinking-blood-saints/

    Would love to get you constructive input on it.

    • mitman

      Great article.

      Can I add a little something here. The protestants easily forget that they also have a lot of blood on their hands. We know a lot about this in the history of little old Ireland. The carnage, rape, pillage and plunder at the hands of protestants in this country for a number of centuries was astonishing. Also when the famine happened the “they took the soup” (a saying we have here) and left the Catholics to die. Almost 4 million (half the population) died and the even sadder part was it could have been avoided. The British choose to ignore it. Then under penal laws the priests built “Mass Rocks” in the corners and ditches of fields that could be covered and hidden. The penalty for these priests to bring the communion to the flock was execution. The lovely gentleman Oliver Cromwell (bit of auld sarcasm there )scoured the country and burned every Church in the country bar two or three. Many of these priests lost their lives to stand up to this. They also led from the front lines in battle, like Father Murphy at Boolavouge, where the red coats used to take captives and pike them. Now let me explain this; a pike is like a large sickle they would stick two into the top of the torso from the front and another two from behind and hoist up the victim and put them on display. They also rounded up locals men women and children, locked them in barns and burned them alive. This was regular. 1600’s (Father Murphy was 1790’s). In the 1920’s it was still happening with the Black and Tans regiments sent over by the crown. The name Black and Tan is not a reference to skin colour but the colours of the uniform they wore. The Irish routed them out as well. I could go on. apologies for the rant!!!

  • DeusLoVult

    Well, I would type a lengthy response, but Mr. Shoebat covered everything quite nicely. Thank you for that, sir. 🙂

    You, on the other hand…you have been offered a healthy dosage of truth, and rejected it without the slightest consideration. Do us all a favor, and leave.You’re taking up valuable cyberspace by your presence here.

  • All comments need approval Guest. I had seen your comments under a different name and now they are under Guest and I see some that are even deleted. Did you delete them? Not sure what happened there.

  • DANTEontheLake

    I think I am going to visit a Russian Orthodox church first because they have recently passed through the fire and will be a leading church in the end times.

    • racarrera

      Jump on in. The water’s nice and warm!

  • susan

    Yes. That’s what I’m thinking.

  • Well thank you brother Darren. Glad to be of service my friend. Bless you too and your family.

  • rodolfo

    I am lost in the sea of comments. I’ll just wait for those in Judea to start fleeing. I can always get the updates from here.
    Thank you Mr. Walid.

  • Thank you brother Roger. He said seek and you shall find. Seeking takes decades, not minutes, hours or days … decades

  • It won’t just be Turkey. It would be the entire region where Antichrist and Islam rules.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    For all your self-aggrandizing fanfare, you are missing the most important authority from the Apostles – none of them or of their successors has laid their hands on you.

    • racarrera

      More from the professional wrestling part of the Christian faith, I’m afraid, dear Sister in Christ.

      • Julie LaBrecque

        The circus endures – how long oh Rudy?

        • racarrera

          We’ve had to endure clown shows since Judas and Arius. We will weather these folks as well.

        • Rapheal Sebastian

          Happy belated birthday greetings and wishes to you, Julie.

    • Grandmere

      It was Benny.

      • Rapheal Sebastian

        The Benny Hinn Circus? That’s indeed a circus alright.

  • Amazing 600NE. Here I simply searched the Scriptures to think I discovered what has already been discovered. Catholics … what can I say. A history of wealth of knowledge. The Kingdom of Heaven is like a field …

  • Well exwolf, you are always welcome to agree on what you agree and differ on what you differ. Samritans are welcome 😉 next time robbers beat me up, I know who I can rely on.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Thanks Barb – Walid is a HUGE blessing to the Church – I hope more and more Catholics find out about him, I spread his name (and book) everywhere I can.

  • Thank you sister Maryhope. I am sure at times I will be discouraged, but every time I was discouraged I learned more about what Christ expects. For example, I get discouraged when I get slandered, but then I learn how He was slandered and this confirms to me that I am on the right path since He said “blessed are you when they say all sorts of slander against you ….” we are to rejoice.

    So I will get discouraged at times, but I will NEVER give up.

  • Joe, stick with me here for a while and in a while, you will see. But glad you jotted your frank opinion. Wish that you went through where I have a “?” in these Jesus style questions to see your response. Want to take a hack at my challenge?

  • Was that revealed to you from above?

    • Grandmere

      Just before it landed on his head.

    • mspip

      he probably thinks so.

  • Pete Scott

    Well written and informative. Thank you Walid.

  • Kamau41

    WOW. Absolutely amazing and fantastic dissertation brother Walid. Indeed, after reading all of this I’m just speechless. So much to learn and absorb here. This is by far the best and your finest discourse you have ever written. Very profoundly and well done. May God continue to bless you and your family’s home forever…

    • Well 41, while you were rowing, I spent time in the captains quarter, looked out the window and contemplated the sea, the sky and the fish below …

      Glad you liked it. Studying keeps a man alive 41.

      • Grandmere

        And you kept looking at that sea biscuit. Food for thought.

      • Kamau41

        Amen. Without a doubt!! It is truly amazing how much treasure a person will find by searching and studying with a humbled heart.

  • susan

    Lol. I’m staying in my corner and letting you grown-ups talk. It’s past my bedtime. 🙂

  • Lidia

    Walid, I went to Mass today and guess what God’s message was today? It was about truly believing in the Holy Communion. I was so surprised that your message was the same. I don’t think this is a coincidence. The priest talked about a monk who had doubts about the real presence of Jesus in the consecrated bread and wine. His fellow monks prayed over him. One day when he attended Mass, the bread became a piece of bloody flesh and the wine turned into blood. When the monk saw this, he became afraid and cried out to the Lord and believed. Immediately the flesh became bread and the blood became wine and he gave thanks to God. He had to see a miracle like this one to actually believe. How about those people who don’t see this kind of miracle but still believe, the priest continued to say using John chapter 20, verse 29– Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe.

    The Gospel Reading at Sunday Mass was John 2:1-11 when Jesus turned the water into wine at a wedding in Cana. Mary told Jesus that there was no wine left and Jesus told her, “My time has not yet come.” I suppose that is why the priest talked about Holy Communion because there is a connection with this story and the Last Supper.

    Can you imagine if one day, like you said, “Sharia Law will be implemented where wine is forbidden and by extension of this Sharia law, churches throughout are prohibited from observing communion.” That will be the end of Catholic and Orthodox Churches. We would have to go underground like the first Christians did.

    Great article!!!

    • Julie LaBrecque

      Just to add to your wine comment – imagine how the protestants have had their part in this – MANY of the protestants sects FORBID consumption of ANY alcohol.

      • Grandmere

        And they seem to think that fresh grape juice was available at the local grocery store in Antioch. Right next to the freshly squeezed orange juice.

      • susan

        Some Protestants claim we get drunk. :(.

    • mitman

      Lidia.
      I must tell you part of the story of Ireland. There was a particular dark period in Ireland’s 800 year reign by England (as if 800 years wasn’t bad enough). This dark period was where they introduced penal laws. Under these penal laws Catholics were forbidden mass amongst other things. The tyrant Oliver Cromwell scoured the country for Churches and burned them all to the ground bar two or three. To receive mass you could be executed. The priest would certainly have always been executed if caught. What did the Irish do? they build mass rocks everywhere they could..these were mainly constructed in the corners or ditches of fields where they could be covered and hidden. The mass rocks where alters and mass was said and many came and received mass even though it was so dangerous under these laws.
      There is something ingrained in the Irish because of this period. Even though there is a falling away in Ireland, I would like to see anyone try to implement this here. My guess is even the atheists here would rise against it because of the history and its an Irish thing. Try introduce this in the future here here and by God there will be reaction!!!
      p.s. We do we have a much better relationship with England now.

    • O Lidia,

      Always nice to hear stories like this. It was also the same message I got this mass I attended with Jesus and Mary when she told Him to make wine at Cana. It is rather amazing last couple of days where many came here to share their conversion.

      Quite amazing. Praise be to the Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit.

      • Grandmere

        Catholic and Anglican use the same lectionary. What you hear read, I do too!

  • racarrera

    Catholics outside of Rome had been doing plenty to bring changes. It would have happened anyway, indeed. The heretical splitting of the Church was not needed.

  • Lidia

    Walid, did you every hear about the story of St. Clare and the Saracens? I just heard about this story on Thursday at a Secular Franciscan Order meeting which I am planning to join. Great story and again goes along with your article.

    http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/h060rp.StClare.html

    • Julie LaBrecque

      Thanks for the link, I had never heard that miracle. Robert Bellarmine also prophesied that the Anti-Christ “will prohibit all divine worship, which is now practiced in the Church of Christ, and most especially he will prohibit the Most Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.” I believe Robert had a strong connection/devotion to St. Francis of Assisi.

  • 1Bobby8

    This article is a masterpiece. How can any trickster or gymnest dispute anything said in this article…Thank you Mr. Shoebat for this superb writing…God bless you

    • racarrera

      They’ve been trying since the portly drunk German reprobate garnered a bit of success in the 15th Century.

      • mitman

        Just Brilliant

      • Kkdgrace

        Rudy, you have such a “way with words”! Love reading your comments!

        • racarrera

          It comes with teaching English 😀 (though, thanks be to God, I don’t do that anymore).

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Sounds like you are very deficient in OT studies.

  • Rapheal Sebastian

    All I can say is AMEN! Christus Vincit Christus Regnat Chritus Imperat!

  • PelayoHSV

    Praise be, to His Holy Name. To the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning, is now, and will be forever.

    When Walid Shoebat speaks, when I see an article from him with a headline like this one, I stand to attention.

    Thank you Walid. And I count it a great honor, a source of divine pride, to have you as a fellow Catholic, as I only last year decided to enter the Church and reject the heresies and confusion of Protestantism. That conversion and return to the Truth in its fullness was heavily influenced by the research and writing by yourself, Ted, and others here at Shoebat.com.

    Venimus, Vidimus, Dues vincit!!!!

    • Well now Pelay, you have oil in your lamp. Keep it lit. Never forget to keep the oil, unit the Bridegroom commeth. Christus Vincit:

  • Read St. John of Damascus’ critique of Islam. He flatly pre-emptied all accusations against Rome being the creator of Islam.

  • Grandmere

    They opened a Pandora’s box.

  • Andy Holland

    Governments cannot stop the Eucharist, but if there are no more grapes and no more grain, then the abomination of desolation would be everywhere and no Church could serve Holy Communion.

    Perhaps the desolation is a famine so terrible, that bread and wine will be nowhere found. If the Earth is scorched with a GRB or massive solar flare or utter nuclear war, we could run out of food fast and completely.

    Perhaps with so many of us taking Communion so poorly without deep repentance and confession, the Lord will allow it. And then governments would have control over the grain offering and wine offering…….

    • While I like your analogy Andy and it did come to mind this morning when I woke up, keep in mind, that bread will be scarce and not completely gone. This also has a different interpretation if you search on google: “Shoebat” “bread” and “wine” and “”for a denarius”

      • Andy Holland

        I suppose in that situation it would be rationed – or it might also be adulterated. For example it could only be purchased as offered to some idol, and this would include the mark of the beast, likely these Universally Unique IDs that are coming and are on everything. There are only 10 to the 81 power atoms in the entire cosmos, and the UUID tattoos and marks have 10 to the 300+ power – modern databases use UUIDs. To buy or sell would require them: in a ration situation it might require a set of abominable conditions to receive grain and grape to make the host and wine.

  • Kkdgrace

    Thank you for this excellent essay! The more I read from the Church Fathers, and the more I read from Orthodox sources and listen to topics presented by Orthodox priests, as they explain and make clear (to me) so much of what has always proved to be topics of controversy in the evangelical/Protestant world, the more convinced I become that I am on the right path in my search for Orthodox belief. I must credit this sight- both the articles and the posts by many commenters- for sparking my interest in reading from the wealth of Church history and causing me to really examine the things I’ve been taught as truth all of my life. It has all pretty much caused a huge “shift” in how I view matters of belief. May God bless you!

    • Kkdgrace,

      You know very well that you will also have a place in our hearts as we have known you for a while now as a kind and gentle contributor whom I have always enjoyed reading your comments and experiences. May your path be in the Light of Christ and I pray you grow in truth.

      • Kkdgrace

        Such a beautiful and gracious reply- my heart is touched and I thank you for the blessing received from such kind words. The role you have played in my endeavor to grow spiritually is strong and beyond my ability to express. May God continue to richly bless both you and your family.

  • susan

    Okay Alexander. I appreciate your comments. :). My bark is worse than my bite.

  • No problem jean. Was also glad to see the Anglican cast out the harlot U.S. Episcopal out.

    • Grandmere

      It was only the beginning, Chef. If people only knew how long it took and what persecution we have been going through! I am not talking about just slander. Lawsuits, loss of church property, Jeers from other “Christians”, being lumped in with apostates. You and my Catholic and Orthodox friends know exactly what I mean.

  • jean,

    Glad to see that you do not agree with everything I say since at times I disagree with what I said years ago. It is iron sharpening iron. You are ahem jean and every now and then I get a message from you, it lifts up my soul.

  • Thank you Two2trees.

  • mspip

    either the ones you sent this to are still studying on it or they are in some kind of shock. yes, walid has given us something to think on and study, it was surprising to me. still have not gone all the way through his article. deep and thought provoking. may take a while to get finished. my religious back ground was protestant originally, then world wide church of God. that morphed into something called grace communion international which i no longer attend.

    • Grandmere

      Oh, Pip! I am so glad you are out of that. Several people here have had your experience. You are in a good place here with people who understand how you are feeling. All my love to you.

      • mspip

        thanks grandmere. probably they understand because they too have wound up here with a similar journey, it was a long one. is this a good place? yes the best one i have seen thus far!! considering contacting an orthodox church soon. with love to you. always appreciate your comments and sense of humor. still studying on the print out of this article from walid.

  • Thank you Ryan, and glad that you enjoyed the article, although you said you were never baptized in the Baptist church? Is that what you meant to say?

  • The problem is God already told the Jews He hated their animal sacrifices in Malachi. There is a Jewish tradition that said for 30 years after Christ’s Ascension, their lot which they determined which goat to offer as sacrifice was constantly rejected by God. Why then should God change His mind?

  • What can I say Frank, life at times is like the movie Forrest Gump where he just ran and kept on running. And as I said, if I swim through the Jordan River, why not continue and swim through the Tiber. In life, we just keep on swimming. There is no room for the lazy. This is the way how we “seek” and “find”.

    • SuzyQ

      And I have been seeking for many years, Walid and think I have found a way back to the Catholic church I started in. Never lost my belief in prayer and Jesus, and the trinity but got sidetracked with most things i was reading. You have brought me back to square one with your articles. Gotta find a church…

      • Welcome back home SuzyQ. I have been blessed the last couple days with messages similar to yours from many. I will do a follow up article for you. Rejoice.

        • SuzyQ

          Thank you

  • Tony,

    Glad to read disagreements. Would like to hear them and why. But I suggest that you also search and read both sids of the fence, than make up you mind.

  • Elna,

    So nice to get your encouragement and hope that some day we cross paths. As you know, its a marathon, and we never stop until we reach the finish line be it from crossing the Jordan to crossing the Tiber. Glad that you read what we write. Blessings to you sister Elna.

  • mspip

    erdogan likely has a lot of influence. seeing as what he is and who his boss is!

  • Julie

    I don’t know what to think beyond my belief in the coming triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary and the reign of the Sacred Heart of Jesus.
    And the world likewise will look and be different as will be the Church.

    But its essence will always be the same.

    I think there is a question about Christ’s return to our hearts vs the second coming and His final judgment. There could be 2 events.

  • “Forbidding to marry , and commanding to abstain from meats …”

    O God help us. For how long will you remain in the lack of knowledge on Scripture and history. Have you not heard of the Cathars and the Parfaits? It is a well-known fact that the Cathars were vegetarians. To be more precise the Parfaits/Cathars were vegetarians. They refrained from eating meat. They believed that creation is bad, it was therefore forbidden for them to procreate. In fact, it was the Catholics who finally eradicated these and many Protestants like to refer to the Cathars as “saints”.

    The Albigensians, Cathars, Paulicians, and Bogomils, as not
    true or orthodox Christians.

    All of these heretics believed that Christ never died, that His death was an illusion, and that the Creator of the physical world, and the God of the Old Testament, was the devil. This is most definitely antichrist. All of these heretics promulgated the heresy of Manichaeism, which was founded by the false prophet Mani.

    So reality it is groups like yours who by supporting Cathars end up fulfilling by aiding the very verse you so quoted.

    The rest of your writ would take effort, but I assure you, the results will be similar of what I exposed here.

  • “This article was a total waste of brain cells”

    O crap, this would mean that there aren’t any left.

    • Grandmere

      You have one brain cell left. I have one. We have two brain cells! Maybe if we rub them together we might get – a thought.

      • susan

        Lol. I have half of one. Will that help? 🙂

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Please interpret epiousious for us.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Would you share with us the details of this miracle?

  • Thank you brother Fritz. Indeed, as Julie says below, would love to read about the miracle.

  • Grandmere

    The time element has been explained to you. The Eucharist is not a re-sacrifice of Christ on the cross.

  • Thank you Anonymous, I knew it took some effort to post that comment 😉 since some folks find it difficult to follow all these technical instructions. Wish you could share more with us here. Blessings to you and yours.

  • Grandmere

    Welcome to Walid’s falafel stand. You might get a sharp elbow in your ribs sometimes but the food is to die for.

  • Grandmere

    The last supper was before the crucifixion. Read John about 20 times. (not kidding). Grape juice would have been a lot harder to come by than wine in the early years. It is a modern product. Unleavened bread has always been with us but it must be consecrated by the epiclesis or it remains plain old bread and wine. I have never heard the epiclesis in any protestant communion service, and for good reason. They know that they do not have the authority to confect the change.

    • Tom_mcewen

      Wine has alcohol in it to kill the germs that would exist in plain grape juice. It is just common sense to drink something that the passage of time has shown to be safer then water. The ancients did not go to Oxford, but they could do the magic trick of knowing ores and making iron, bricks and woodworking and feeding themselves, of course with a university education we can do all of things, right?

  • Grandmere

    You are right. It was a complete waste on your brain cells.

  • Grandmere

    All I can say is that the way is narrow and few will find it. And many who call themselves Christians will go to perdition.

  • richinnameonly

    All the sweat and blood you poured into this was certainly worth it.
    The article has managed to turn some of the more gelatinous areas of my cranial spiritual learning files into a somewhat more solid substance. I confess to not reading in full or studying the “apocrypha” but see that there is a need. I imagine writing an article such as this can be physically draining, and at the same time satisfying, as you move desperately needed information out to others.

  • Grandmere

    All I can tell you – “is” means “is”. It is going to take you a long time to find what he has found. It was a long journey for him.

  • AnthonyM

    “For Christ to re-institute animal sacrifice upon His return…”
    The Jews may re-institute animal sacrifice, rebuild the temple, etc., but it amounts to nothing. That time of animal sacrifice has come and gone. So why would Jesus be concerned about re-instituted animal sacrifice, and the act be considered in his eyes
    an abomination of desolation?
    To re-institute animal sacrifice declares ‘Jesus we still reject you’. Christians who expect Jesus return because of that act may be missing the bigger picture. The train has left that station.

    “If Communion must be consumed repeatedly to re-cleanse and re-cleanse and re-cleanse…” The Catholic Church says Holy Communion must be consumed once a year minimum. To miss that obligation is a serious mortal sin. Any faithful Catholic that loves Jesus wants to commune with him more often than the minimum.
    Some go every Sunday and Holy Day, some daily.
    So it is more a matter of desire and need, than must do it again, and again as in an act reluctantly performed.
    The sacrament of Confession is used to forgive sins, and for serious mortal sins, confession must be made first.
    What Protestants, atheists, etc., truly believe is impossible for humans to judge. Only God knows what they know,
    what they don’t know, and what they reject in spite of being told.
    If anyone is given some truth, and does not act on it, isn’t that sin?
    They presume on the ‘once saved always saved’ mentality.

    Ignorance is bad, but willful ignorance is terminally sinful. That is the sin that blasphemes the Holy Spirit.

    “closeted Christians in strict Muslim countries” can still be saved as lack of communion is not a rejection by them, but is being denied them against their wishes.

    “What happens to their souls before Christ returns…?” It will certainly be more difficult for them, and they will no doubt pray for grace to bear up, but there soul would not be lost.
    It is sin that separates us from God. Satan is not shutting the door on salvation for them.
    It will be harder for Christians everywhere. For example, WWII was not a ground war in the USA for the most part, but still people in the US endured additional hardship even though the actual war was ‘over there’.
    The Bible warns difficult times, such as never have been, will come.

    • That last paragraph is so true. Many had to endure rations while metal were being sent to support the war effort. Fabric shortage resulted in women having to get creative in recycling materials for curtains, clothing, and even a wedding dress made out of parachute.

      I would imagine America will have to make the same sacrifice again in the future to support the war effort to eradicate the evil barbarians once and for all.

  • Doc

    There is a lot to digest here. I’ll have to re-read this several times. There was one subtle thing not directly articulated, but is undeniable: “once save, always saved” is a doctrine equal to “Indulgences.” There’s no denying it.

    Some concerns:

    1. Even if the apostles were given authority on earth to forgive sins or not, I don’t see how that excludes Jesus also forgiving sins “in the prayer closet.” Where is the evidence they are necessarily exclusive? Could they not both exist?
    2. I think it may in fact be the Eastern Orthodox church and not the Roman Catholic church that is the original with the right of succession. I just see too many corrupting things that have entered the Roman church that don’t seem to have affected the Eastern church.
    3. The $64,000 question: what, exactly, is the “oil” that some of the virgins had that the others didn’t?

    • Grandmere

      There is a general confession of sin made by the congregation before the Eucharist. The people kneel and recite the general confession. Then they receive absolution by the priest. This does not take the place of individual confession of serious sin. I pray the general confession every night as part of my bedtime prayer. May I also suggest praying the Our Father first thing in the morning before you get out of bed.

    • Julie LaBrecque

      “but is undeniable: “once save, always saved” is a doctrine equal to “Indulgences.” There’s no denying it” Could you elucidate what you think indulgences are and what they are for/do?

      • Doc

        Indulgences are where a priest, bishop, or other catholic official offers to forever forgive a person’s sins (past, present, and future) in exchange for a payment of a sum of money or other contribution to the church. In other words: selling salvation for material goods. It reminds me of the TV evangelicals who promise prosperity for those who give generously to some TV ministry. From what I understand, indulgences as I’ve defined them were one of the reasons for the Protestant Reformation, and why I’m inclined to think the Eastern Orthodox church is the “actual” church. (Not that I’m defending Luther. He was no saint for sure).

        • Julie LaBrecque

          Wrong – where did you get this?

          • Doc

            That’s what I was taught. What were you taught?

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Then the question is – who taught you that? Here is the definition according to the Catechism:

            “An indulgence is a remission before God of the TEMPORAL
            PUNISHMENT due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven, which the faithful Christian who is duly disposed gains under certain prescribed conditions through the action of the Church which, as the minister of redemption, dispenses and applies with authority the treasury of the satisfactions of
            Christ and the saints.” CCC 1471

          • Doc

            I would not even remember who taught me that, but that is what we were taught were indulgences.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Protestants have a history of intentionally falsifying what we actually believe – so I don’t doubt that what you said is true.

          • susan

            Julie, what does temporal punishment mean? Thank you. 🙂

          • Julie LaBrecque

            The temporal consequences for our sin (recall David was declared forgiven for adultery/murder, but had to suffer loss of his child as temporal penalty.)

          • susan

            Thank you Julie! 🙂

          • AnthonyM

            Didn’t mean to butt-in, but I did not see your reply and thought you missed his comment.

        • AnthonyM

          So indulgences have nothing to do with salvation. A persons sins are forgiven (or not) in the sacrament of Confession.
          Indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven.
          Also, the Catholic Church does not now nor has it ever approved the sale of indulgences, though a few did that against Church teaching.

          Temporal punishment is remitted by prayer, fasting, and almsgiving. Any good work or sacrifice expiates
          sin, as well as patiently bearing our sufferings and offering them up in
          satisfaction for our sins.

          The main reason for the reformation is the people were unhappy with sending money to Rome. Luther encouraged this sentiment among the people and started his own church.

    • Lidia

      Hi Doc! About #2. The Roman Catholic Church had to deal with a complex history. They share some history with the Orthodox Church up to a point. The bottom line is that the Catholic Church had to deal with so much corruption outside the church which lead to the some corruption on the inside of the church. There were some saints throughout history who confronted these corruptions like St. Francis of Assisi and St. Francis of Paola and others. God intervened through these saints. God never abandoned the Catholic Church. The good always wins in the end. The Catholic Church has been around for a very long time and had to deal with many kings (and other leaders) from different kingdoms and countries, they had to deal with all the hundreds of battles and wars, they had to deal with all the different kinds of heretics, invasions from Muslims and Barbarians. The Orthodox Church also had to deal with their own complex history. Some Orthodox countries like Serbia, Greece, Bulgaria, for example had to deal with Muslim oppression. Constantinople was destroyed and taken over, even Hagia Sophia was changed to a mosque. Then later came Russia who converted to Orthodox from paganism. There was a good reason for that to happen!!!

      People are different in how they deal or cope with stress and other difficult situations. Some people easily give in because it’s easier or they are afraid. It’s not easy to be a good Christian. Sometimes people fall away. This is why Catholics are not perfect. It took St. Francis of Assisi 2 years to convert. Even after you convert, he says that it is still an ongoing process–a lifetime process. This goes for not only lay people, but also priests, monks and nuns.

      I think Europe and other Christian countries–mainly western countries– are going through a new phase of oppression. This time it’s multiple oppressions under one oppressor.

      The Catholic Church, along with other churches, will experience the worst oppression it’s ever experienced.

    • Tom_mcewen

      The oil is corporate works of mercy, you can not borrow feeding the hungry, clothing the naked…Christ’s second commandment was a commandment of love. Some Christians feel the matter is evil and the spirit is all.God created matter and said it was good. The works of the law will not save you, no mercy to others will condemn you, have some oil in the lamp when he shows up. He will be late so you will have time.

    • ” I don’t see how that excludes Jesus also forgiving sins “in the prayer closet.”

      One does both. One cannot take “pray in the closet” to be regarding “confession” for the scriptures also said to ‘confess your sins to another”.

      Never isolate and always incorporate everything and always look deep and apply Scripture in the two senses. Always love to read your questions Doc for I know you’re heart is sincere. The oil as Tom said below is the acts of mercy since when Christ divides between the sheep (with oil) and the goats (without) he alludes to their works of mercy “for I was hungry …”

      • Doc

        Interesting. So those that practice good works a la the book of James have the oil and those whose “faith without works is dead” are the virgins without oil? I will have to ponder this.

        When Jesus refers to “His sheep” is he talking about the Jews as some assert, or both Christians and Jews, or just Christians? When He told Peter “feed My lambs” some have asserted that He was talking principally about the Jews, but I have always thought He meant EVERYONE, Jew and Christian.

        • Julie LaBrecque

          Feed/Tend my sheep – this was Jesus making Peter the Chief Shepard over all the sheep-including the other Apostles.

  • Grandmere

    Just go back and look at Walid’s map in the article.

  • Doc

    Some very good points, and a lot of it agrees with what I was always taught. I also see Walid’s reasoning, and that’s why this is so hard. The new believer must be getting a headache right now. “WHAT MUST I DO TO BE SAVED?” Ain’t so simple it seems.

  • And…?

  • Grandmere

    Did you read the article? It’s all in there.

  • OrthodoxKGC2015

    Hello mr. Shoebat (and friends!:-)). Just thought i’d say that I truly enjoyed the article, and I encourage people strongly to watch every move that Muslim Turkey makes in the near future.

    • Thank you brother Orthodox, I love your name. We will always keep you posted.

      • OrthodoxKGC2015

        And thank you:-) Good work and God Bless!

    • Grandmere

      It is good to hear from our Knight. God bless you.

      • Knight? What are you waiting for Grandmere, welcome him in, set up the table with Hummus plates, stuffed grape leaves, pickles … the works … don’t forget the Hukkah and the falafel assortments and make sure the pita is warm and fresh … hurry up while I run to the kitchen

        • Grandmere

          You funny.

      • OrthodoxKGC2015

        And God bless you:-). I am well, very busy with moving plans and my personal life, but i’m a regular here and won’t quit:-). When it slows down ill post more.

  • Shoebat can answer this for himself, but I believe he is against “Once Saved, Always Saved, ” doctrine. I am against it as well, even though I grew up in Baptist church that taught that as a widely accepted doctrine. The Old Testament stories are put in there to serve as warning against Christians who decide to “partake in the world” rather than to continue serving God.

    Salvation, in Catholics and Orthodox views, is a lifelong process. In my visit to a local Roman Catholic parish, the priest was giving a sermon on Reconciliation, one of the Sacraments of the church, and he said that it is based on the Hebrew understanding of repentance, which means to make a 180 degree turn. God reconciled Himself to mankind through Christ, and the Church are the agency that bring God’s message to the world, daily through the office of priesthood based on Christ, since He is the Priest Forever. The Church is actually based on two system – the Leviticus system of priesthood and a kingdom based on David, since Christ is of the lineage of David through His mother. But, that’s another separate topic to discuss later.

    I am not 100% convinced that we will see a Jewish temple being built, I still leave open the door to that possibility, but as I have said to you earlier, God has rejected the animal sacrifice because Christ has satisfied every requirements of the Law, which were actually against us. As the author of Hebrews said, even the high priest had to offer animal sacrifice for himself and for his family year after year, and Christ fulfilled that requirement. So, as I was once asked, “If the Jews resume animal sacrifice, wouldn’t that be a slap in the face?” I had to honestly answer, “Yes, for us as Christians, it would be a slap in the face.” From the Jews’ perspective, Christ is not the Messiah (He is, by the way), and they are simply waiting for the go-ahead for the animal sacrifice to resume once more. One note, I want to add, there is a Muslim in Turkey that made the claim last year that the Dome of the Rock was built for the Jews to worship God there as well. I find that farfetched, but I digress.

    The only way for the Jews to go to heaven is through Christ. The apostle Paul made that succinctly clear in Romans 9-11, and thank God that there have been and continue to be Jews being converted to Christianity since the Day of Pentecost to today.

    The 2nd Coming is about Christ’s triumph over the flesh, the world, and the devil. For Christians, it is the blessed hope, the Glorious Appearing. I have learned only recently that Catholics and Orthodox reject the literal millennial reign of Christ. They believe in the 2nd Coming which would also result in the resurrection of the dead where Christ will judge them, and after that, the kingdom will be forever. The whole scenario after the 2nd Coming remains vague at best, and it’s why Catholics and Orthodox do not concern themselves over what happens immediately after the 2nd Coming, but they concern greatly with heresies, preparing the Church to endure the tribulations, serving God, preaching the Words, so forth. I think we should emulate that example, not to obsess over the fine details what happens after the 2nd Coming.

    By the way, the link to your WordPress blog takes to a log-in screen. Might want to fix that.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Tell us how eating bread and drinking wine can make you GUILTY OF profaning HIS BODY AND HIS BLOOD – did Jesus have a symbolic Body/Blood or was it real?

  • Julie LaBrecque

    I told you that because it is true – you are obviously ignorant of the fact that the King gives the rule of the House to the Royal Steward.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Only the Royal Steward possesses the Keys – and they were handed down to successors – you do not have any keys –

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Welcome home Ryan –

  • Julie LaBrecque

    They were already clean – only needed their feet washed – which was an ordination ceremony.

    • susan

      Exactly Julie. And as God, He chose to do this for them. Christ said it. Christ did it. Why is this so difficult for them to believe? He could have done it afterwards but He did not. Even when all His followers left—but the twelve—because they refused to eat His flesh and drink His blood. They murmured against Him and said His teaching was too hard. People still feel the same way on this website.

  • Thats the typical booklet. In every essay I would write, or my son Theodore would write, the comments of the grasshopper would be to always change the subject in using two simple techniques: the first, is to hail their problems with Catholicism and the other is to preach the Gospel According to Grasshopper on how to be ‘born again’ ‘confess your sins’ ‘receive your certificate of salvation’ and now ‘you are on your way to perform heart surgeries’. Everyone became an instant heart-surgeon, Pope, theologian, and historian.

  • Beautiful Fajka, the Lord wants us to be ONE. Thank you for sharing this.

  • One of the reasons I became Catholic is that what I read when a Catholic writes. He writes sublime, he sees with more than one sense and his focus is on heaven, sacrifice and brotherhood. Thank you brother Geralnd Harp.

  • Beautiful ermom. I pray that you be well.

  • In every essay I would write, or my son Theodore would write, the comments of the grasshopper would be to always change the subject in using two simple techniques: the first, is to hail their problems with Catholicism and the other is to preach the Gospel According to Grasshopper on how to be ‘born again’ ‘confess your sins’ ‘receive your certificate of salvation’ and now ‘you are on your way to perform heart surgeries’. Everyone became an instant heart-surgeon, Pope, theologian, and historian.

  • Glad that you explained it Alexander. I will ponder this. You make an interesting point and I am sorry for the misunderstanding. But the question then is this: the covenant of seven years. Do you think this comes from where? Who makes it?

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Shannon – can you explain to us why Paul declared a sinner forgiven? Can you explain why Paul assigned a sinner to punishment?

    • Tom_mcewen

      And Jesus breathed on them and said, “……”
      Another 30 verse bible believing Christian.

  • Being a jerk is not helpful. I have already answered you earlier about why their interpretation on Daniel 9:27 was wrong. So it went over your head, not mine.

  • Tom_mcewen

    Walid, be careful while swimming the Tiber there are a lot of protestant sharks cruising the waters, some will even offer you a free ride.

    • Brother Tom,

      If one already have swam with the great white, why would he worry today about swimming with the nurse shark (which hides under the sand), the sting ray (the slanderer) or the box fish (that puffs itself up)?

      • susan

        Darn! Just when I was going to slumber in the sands of time, you plunged forward to swim with the great whites!! 😉

      • Tom_mcewen

        Well, being a Catholic gets richer as time goes on, every treasure has another map to another treasure on and on. It is very concrete and concrete was invented by the Romans and so is some excellent theology too. But since you will be attacked and attacked, you have the Greek scriptures and all the fathers of the church plus the deposit of faith as a wall, a very strong wall. Stay strong, keep your eyes on the Eucharist. Kneel to God when you can.

  • Grandmere

    I don’t think anyone has said that last sin would lead to eternal damnation.

  • Grandmere

    Jesus said the way was narrow. I will just stick with what he said about it.

    • Kkdgrace

      Amen to that, Grandmere! Knowing what Jesus said about the narrow way should be the impetus for us to question anything in the religious world that hints of it as otherwise.

      • susan

        Exactly. The narrow way scares me. When we say we narrowly missed hitting a car for instance…narrow is narrow. Not several lanes.

  • Tom_mcewen

    The key words are faith and reason, if your pastor told you he found scripture that it was safe for you to jump off the cliff, reason would I hope stop you. If reason a gift from God can guide you in life then Reason should be used in finding God’s thinking on salvation. No one has a head lock on God and no one can guarantee you heaven. There are no short cuts in life or heaven only hard work. Words have meaning in your culture, it is a imprecise way of expressing a mental condition, a sentence is a way of refining the thought, the chapter is a further refinement and the book is the beginning not the end of understanding. Stay away from thinking that single verses are golden complete answers. Use reason and research to understand.

    • Grandmere

      Thanks, Tom. What time is it over there?

      • Tom_mcewen

        2:46 pm snowing got to get a chicken 1 dollar a pound, potatoes 60cent per 2.2 pounds, carrots for dinner tomorrow. Two vegs, women do this every day. Clean house laundry work my man’s head swims.

  • Tom_mcewen

    These Christian martyrs are they part of the fifty million murdered by the Catholic church? At the end of the Western Roman empire after famine and plague cut the population to 50 million in europe and until Luther the population was only 78 million due to the black death in three waves, where was the missing 50 millions, we can find no record of their existence in history.

  • michelletherese

    Mr. Walid Shoebat! I know praise is just words, but I just HAVE to say (type?) to you:

    THANK YOU for all of this hard work, this article is yet another priceless gem among many other incredible priceless gems!!!

    You are doing God’s work for sure, you are God’s instrument!!
    Yes, yes, I know you will say that you are full of faults and failings, but we all are, that is why we support each other in our Christian walk. (Etc Etc Etc) I just have to say it though, that there is NO doubt that you are truly doing God’s work in so many ways, including these articles. GOD REWARD YOU!!

    And may God reward also your warrior son, and your entire team here at Shoebat.com who also do the work of God!!

    My husband and I thank you all SO MUCH for ALL of your hard, hard, hard work in putting together these amazing articles, and filing our lamps with oil !!!!

    We can never thank you enough!! God willing, we shall all have one huge party in heaven one day!!

    • Thank you Michelle and send my thank you to thy beloved husband as well. This is very kind of you to offer kind words to lift up my spirit.

      • michelletherese

        My husband, Erlend, is especially thankful, he just became Catholic during Advent of last year. He asked me to emphasis his gratitude to you, and thank you for all of your very hard work. He is a farmer so he understands hard work! 🙂 God bless you all at Shoebat.com and keep you safe.

  • michelletherese

    Congratulations on crossing the Tiber! I did so 17 years ago and I have never looked back! The Eucharist is what keeps me chained to the Church for sure!!

  • “I was sharing the truth of God’s Word”

    Thats what they all say, including the SDA, JW, Mormon … it doesn’t make it true.

  • I have heard this point before. I think the Seventh Day Adventists also believe this. I wonder why.

    When you state that this seven is the Messiah’s what then do you do with “the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the sanctuary”? This would make the destroyer (the people) to be of the “prince” Messiah. Are you saying that Messiah is the destroyer of the Temple?
    But I will keep this issue on my mind and will get to it in more detail when I get a chance and carefully examine both sides of the fence. Here is the other question. Could this “seven” be unrelated to the seventy?

  • One man’s argument sounds good, until it is examined by another.

  • Thank you brother Kanik Raj. Your lifting words made not only my day, not only my entire week, not only my entire month, not only my entire year …. 😉

  • Alexander, not need to get angry. Have patience.

    • I have been reading up on various sources, mainly Orthodox, and apparently there is an uniform opinion that among the Early Church Fathers, the 70 Weeks prophecy were fulfilled in 70AD. The hold outs are Irenaeus and his student, Hippolyatus, as they both saw the final week as a futuristic event.

      That said, I think there is a near and far fulfillment that is going on. How else can we explain that God prophesied Israel would return and never to be uprooted again? The Temple Institute have been making preparations as if they are expecting to rebuild the temple.

      Then, there are the Ante-Nicene Fathers who all taught that there would be the Antichrist who set up his worship in Jerusalem, and they never said anything about a Jewish temple, which seem to lend credence to the theory that it would be a Christian temple.

      Also, there are some gaps in history that bothers me, for example, in Zechariah, God prophesied that the Lord Himself would battle with the nations that comes against Jerusalem, and I cannot find any credible evidence that Christ Himself physically returned to annihilate the Antichrist. Then there are too many parallel between Revelation and Ezekiel as well as Isaiah and Jeremiah regarding the future war where Christ will return triumphant, and it all seem to center on Jerusalem.

      I think that is why the doctrine of Preterism bugs me a great deal…there seem to be details that are lacking. We see what Islam are doing, how they are wiping out the ancient church in Iraq, displacing Syrian Christians, and how they savagely killed those blessed Coptics. They are also threatening murder daily on the Jews that lives in Israel, so badly Israel has relaxed their gun control laws so they could defend themselves against the Muslims.

      In addition, we have Erdogan is taking the same path as Germany did in the lead-up to WWII with purging of academics, media, and even parliament with figures who disagrees with him.

      That is why I was viewing Daniel 9:27 through the lens of Christianity since our faith is heavily based on Judaism as fulfilled in Christ, and things just seem to fall into place, and then when you wrote this essay, it was like everything began to make sense.

      People saw Antiochus Epiphanies as a partial fulfillment of Daniel’s prophesying of abomination of desolation, then again with the Roman abomination of desolation, and will we see a third fulfillment? There was this Christian priest who lamented the fall of Jerusalem to the hands of Saladin.

      So I think you are on the right track. There appears to be a “near and far fulfillment” at works here.

  • The problem lies with your definition of salvation. It is a lifelong process. Even the apostle Paul acknowledged it as much. Even though God already foreknew who will be saved or not does not take away free will and our activity in participating in the salvation process. It is a relationship with God through Christ and our constant response to the Holy Spirit’s prompting and guidance.

    Jesus said in John 6 that whosoever eats of His body and drink of His blood has life. Then when He broke the bread, He said, “Take, and eat, for this is My body broken for you,” and in the same manner with the cup, He said, “Take and drink, for this My blood shed for the remission of sins.” Elsewhere Jesus said to abide in the vine and who is that vine but Christ? Likewise He said that we are to abide in the branch for He is the root that gives life.

    Life flows from the Living Fount, via the Holy Spirit, and we are to be partakers in it. It is literal and figurative. When Jesus said He is the door, He is literally and figuratively the only way to Salvation. Jesus uses metaphor to get the message across.

    The argument over the Echaurist on my opinion is simply over the validation of, “Is it literally the Body and Blood of Christ, or just a symbol?” I say it is both. Just as the cross is the symbol of hope and shame, it is also a literal torture “chamber.”

    For the prophet Isaiah wrote, “The price for our peace was chastisement,” and Jesus purchased our peace. God then reconciled us to Himself through Christ, because of what God did at the cross.

    Our salvation, then, is dependent on Christ’s works at the cross and our continue obedience to God. God said for us to be holy, for He is holy, and nothing unclean shall enter heaven. It is, then, a lifetime commitment of obeying God. The fruit of the Spirit is a byproduct of our walk with Him. It is a struggle daily to obey God, for our flesh wars against the Spirit and the Spirit against the flesh.

    Unfortunately, there have been people who teaches that because of Christ’s works at the cross, we can continue to sin for we are covered by grace, bringing condemnation to themselves for Jude warns that they turned the grace of Jesus into license to do lewdness. And continued disobedience can disqualify the believer and cast them out of God’s presence.

  • Lidia

    What do you think of Yves Dupont’s version of the antichrist?
    He said that the antichrist will rule the world for three and a half years. He said many other things too. His version is creepy, kind of reminds me of the movie, “The Omen.”

  • Julie LaBrecque

    The foot-washing ceremony was a Rite of priestly ordination. Surely you would agree that the New Covenant has better promises and better things – if you agree, then explain how the Old Covenant had the Bread of the Presence, which is said to be the sign of the everlasting covenant ( Lev 24:7), and the Wine of the Presence (Numbers 15:5-7, 28:7)and the Israelites were commanded to go up 3 times a year to see the FACE of God at Passover, Pentecost, and Tabernacle (Exodus 34:23, 23:17). ‘They (the priests) used to lift it (the Golden Table) up and exhibit the Bread of the Presence on it to those who came up for the festivals, saying to them “Behold, God’s love for you!” Babylonian Talmud, Menahoth 29A). “So the priest gave him the HOLY BREAD; for there was no bread there but the Bread of the Presence…” 1 Sam 21:7. Perhaps after digesting these scriptures, you might revisit the Faith of which you left – and return so you can receive the Holy Bread of the Presence – “Come, eat of my bread, and drink of the wine which I have mingled.” Proverbs 9:5

  • “f nothing unclean can enter Heaven – which I believe too – what about those sins we committed between our last Communion and death?”

    Paul said, “Behold, I tell you a mystery, we will not die but will change, in a twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. ” he goes on to describe that our body, corrupted by the consequences of original sin must put on incorruptible and our mortality must put on immortality, so that Christ will have the final victory over death and the grave, which are the final enemies for Christ to vanquish. Revelation says that death and the grave will be cast into the lake of fire.

  • Dan Knight

    Wow. Awesome column Walid. The Eucharist is a complex topic. Few scholars would try to handle it.

  • The context of Philippians 1:21-24, Paul is talking about his desire to be with Christ, nevertheless, he felt that the Church at Phillippi were not ready, mature enough to grow on their own without his guidance, so that’s why he was saying, “It’s better to remain in the flesh for you.”

    Our body will be resurrected, how else do we explain the resurrection in Revelation? Likewise, in 1 Thessalonians, Paul speaking of the rapture (I am not a pre-tribber by the way), he said the dead in Christ will rise first, and we who remain will be caught up with him. Link that with the passage from Corinthians I shared earlier, we can see the natural flow. Our body will be glorified, incorruptible because as I said earlier, nothing unclean will enter heaven.

    As for Paul’s position on the Jews, he made it quite clear that the Jews need the gospel, and in Romans 9, if you read it carefully, you can see and hear the anguish in his writing, the tears falling on the parchment as he is penning his deep longing for the Jews to be reconciled to Christ, even to the point of wishing he could be cursed for the Jews’ sake.

    Myself, I do not agree with Purgatory, and neither do the Orthodox branches. If you truly want to know the Orthodox’s view on salvation, read on here – http://www.goarch.org/ourfaith/how-are-we-saved. If you want to know the Orthodox’s view on Purgatory, check this out – http://orthodoxwiki.org/Purgatory.

    The 7 books of the Bible actually contains some valuable insights, my personal favorite is the Book of Maccabees because it helped me understand why Antiochus Epiphanines have been viewed as an archetype of the Antichrist. I haven’t read the rest of the other books as I don’t have a whole lot of time.

  • I thought you were ignoring my post.

    Edit: You called my comments idiotic in spite of my effort to explain why I saw the original comment as Preterism. That’s why I said being a jerk wasn’t helpful.

    • susan

      There’s something “off” with this person. Ignore. That’s what I’m going to do from now on.

  • Lidia

    I don’t know who the antichrist is or where he will come from so I like Walid’s version and Dupont’s version. Those are my two favorite versions. I know you probably know about Walid’s version since you are on his site.

    According to Yves Dupont, the antichrist is not from Rome, he is from the Middle East. He is from the tribe of Dan. He will be possessed by the devil like his mother. He will be familiar with all the magical arts. He will be a wonder child, endowed with great intelligence and memory. He will be assisted by the devil throughout his life. He will be utterly wicked. He will believe in God but he will rebel against God and he will proclaim himself to be God. His spirituality will be that of the devil. This is why I said that he sounds like “The Omen” child. This is what separates THE antichrist from every evil man that existed in human history. He will be like no other man. He will be a (fake) Jew and he will be made King of the Jewish Nation. The Jews will accept him because they are waiting for their messiah– their king.

    In the end, the Jews will finally accept Christ as the Messiah.

    The most interesting thing about all these prophecies and today’s events is that the antichrist cannot come today into power until AFTER the Great Catholic Monarch reigns (BTW, the GCM does not come from Rome). He will probably come from France or Belgium. The Jewish nation cannot ever become powerful until the Great Monarch comes to remove what today is strangling or weakening Israel–and the rest of the world- and that is Islam.

    Yves Dupont was the Walid of the 1900’s for the Catholics. While others–like the Protestants– thought all sorts of different things about the antichrist during that time, like the antichrist coming from Rome or the European Union, etc., etc. Dupont had a different version. As a teenager, he read prophecy not only from the Bible but private prophecies written by saints, including the early church fathers. He studied hundreds of different prophecies over many years (30 years) and put them all in a book. The Catholic Church and the popes are part of these prophecies and it predicted Vatican II which he states split the church in 2. Mr. Dupont also was a French soldier in Algeria (and WW2) and he saw the horrific killings in Algeria by the Muslims. He knew that one day the Muslims especially from North Africa would be the biggest threat to France and the world. He knew that the Catholic Church (and the world) was going to suffer terrible chastisement from God because we are entering the period predicted by the prophecies in this book.–We are NOW entering the reign of the Great Monarch. What does this mean–war between Christians (mainly Catholics and Orthodox, good native Europeans) and Muslims (with their Leftist Communist partners).

    Here is some of his writings from his book that was published in 1973:
    “The whole world will be involved in the fighting. A unique feature is the internal disintegration of the Western democracies and the invasion of Western Europe by Arab forces.” Has this happened yet? YEP!!!
    “The Mohammedans invade Europe and commit innumerable atrocities.” Has this happened yet? YEP, it’s starting!!!!!

    “The Church is persecuted; the Pope leaves Rome and dies in exile.”

    “Civil wars rage in Western Europe and a Great French Revolution begins.” The GCM begins in France. ” The Christian Prince leads his growing army to battle and wins victory upon victory.”
    ” Communism collapses everywhere. The Mohammedans are thrown back to the sea. The war is carried to Africa and the Middle East, where the Arab Power is dealt a deadly blow. At this stage, if not earlier, U.S. troops come to the assistance of Western Europe.”
    In the end, the Muslims convert to Catholic.

    “Indeed, prophecies are for our edification: They cast a light on many problems; they warn us against errors; they prepare us for dangers to come; and they are a manifestation of the power of God. At the same time, they are an encouragement and a consolation. The current crisis in the Church and in the world was predicted long ago, but the final victory of the Christian forces is also predicted; this is an encouragement and a consolation.”

    • Lidia

      So when I think about that 15 year old Lithuanian boy, Arminas, who was stabbed and killed by a Syrian Muslim refugee and all the rapes in Sweden and elsewhere, I want to think about this great final victory–God’s victory– of the Great Catholic Monarch and his Christian forces! This is an encouragement and a consolation.

    • “….Then will the people of the half-moon of the tribe of Agar overrun many nations towards midnight and commit many atrocities. …”

      I have studied Dupont and find his work intriguing and accurate and I believe that we will prepare for this day by helping to awaken the Church. Antichrist could well sit in the Vatican and other places declaring himself to be God. Islam under the Turks will invade Europe and sack Rome while the anti-Catholics will praise the Muslims. One day I will do a whole analysis of Dupont’s work.

  • John Mungai

    I have been reading for two days.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Jesus Christ built the ONE world religion – HIS CHURCH – unfortunately, you protestants are the ones preaching a different gospel –

    • Diana

      Yes, Julie. Jesus did, but that’s NOT what the Pope is doing, and I quote him:

      “Most of the planet’s inhabitants declare themselves believers,” he states in the production released on the Feast of Epiphany. “This should lead to dialogue among religions. We should not stop praying for it and collaborating with those who think differently.”
      The video then features clips of those from different world religions declaring belief in their various deities.
      “I have confidence in Buddha,” a female lama announces.
      “I believe in God,” a rabbi affirms.
      “I believe in Jesus Christ,” a priest states.
      “I believe in Allah,” an Islamic leader declares.

      Francis contends that all the religions of the world simply represent mankind’s diversity in seeking God. He says that despite the differing beliefs, everyone is a child of the same God.

      “Many think differently, feel differently, seeking God or meeting God in different ways,” he states. “In this crowd, in this range of religions, there is only one certainty that we have for all: we are all children of God.”

      Ref: Pope Francis’ Calls for Collaboration With World’s Religions, Those Who ‘Meet God in Different Ways’” 01/12/16
      If Islam and the Budda’s are “of the same God,” then why are they slaughtering fellow Christians – world-wide?

    • Diana

      Julie, you don’t really think the Buddist and Islam serve the same God we do, do you? If so, then why are they killing all the Bible-believing Christians all over the globe?

      • Julie LaBrecque

        Diana – do you realize that Muslims, Buddhist, and Hindus have been killing CATHOLICS before your man-made ‘Bible-believing Christians’ ever showed up? Can you give me a verse from the CATHOLIC BOOK (how in the heck you believe a book made by the Catholic Church is beyond me)- that allows any man to dissent from the Church that Christ built? Can you give me any verse that allows men to remove any of the books of the Bible – can you tell my why you have a book with 66 books? Do you know that the ‘Bible-believing Christians’ aligned with and assisted the Muslims against the Catholics?

        • Diana

          Babe, we’re just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Jesus – and His Mystical Body the Church – is the final Temple. Only David’s son can build the Temple.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Man sure does contradict the Bible – protestants do a swell job “We have an ALTAR from which those who serve have no right to EAT” Hebrews 13:10 – where is your church’s altar so you can eat the sacrifice?

  • Julie LaBrecque

    “OBEY your leaders and defer to THEM, for they keep watch over your soul and will have to give an account.” Hebrews 13:17

  • Julie LaBrecque

    And what does John call all of the miracles that Jesus did? SIGNS – and His Church would perform greater SIGNS than He did. You have become a gnostic Paul – God uses material things to bring about spiritual realities – Water in Baptism, Oil in confirmation, bread for His body, wine for His blood. Does your newfound church have an altar that they eat a sacrifice from? You need to read Hebrews 13:10. The Mass is where heaven and earth unite.

    • Paul Doyle

      My goodness … you use Hebrews 13:10 to say that mass is where heaven and earth unite and to justify things like transubstantiation? Did you happen to read the verse before that? I did. Hebrews 13:9 “Do not be carried away by various strange teachings, for it is good for the heart to be confirmed by grace, NOT by the food of sacrifices, by which those who walk were not profited.”

      See? How is one confirmed? By the grace of life, which is Christ Himself as the Spirit experienced by us. It is an inward matter of grace. NOT by the food of sacrifices. What about “NOT by the food of sacrifices” do you not understand? It’s not about physical food or a physical altar, as it was in the Old Testament. That’s not to reject physical symbols, such as baptism or the Lord’s table, but it must be noted that without the inward faith and experience of Christ, such things are empty rituals with no substance.You, like many of the Jewish believers in the first century, need a complete transfer from the outward Old Testament practices to the inward, New Testament realities, which are all in the Spirit.

      That’s why the book of Hebrews was written, because so many genuine believers were shrinking back and getting stuck in Old Testament, and the old physical rituals that had no profit and were defrauding them from the experience of Christ as everything. That’s why Peter shrank back from having fellowship with the Gentile believers because of the Judaic influence James and others had on him and had to be rebuked publicly by Paul for his hypocrisy (Gal. 2). That’s why Peter also rejected the Lord’s proposal to “eat” the “unclean” animals in Acts 10:9-16 and had to receive that vision 3 times before he was clear. There are many other example throughout the New Testament of believers, even leading ones like Peter, who, though saved, still needed a complete transfer from the old covenant to the new.

      • “See? How is one confirmed? By the grace of life, which is Christ Himself as the Spirit experienced by us. It is an inward matter of grace. NOT by the food of sacrifices. What about “NOT by the food of sacrifices” do you not understand?”

        Can you show us from the early church that Hebrew 13:9 was indeed interpreted the way you interpreted it?

        The reason I ask is because you miss a crucial word “Hebrews” which is the reason of the whole book.

        The scriptures here is saying that not by way of the Hebrew sacrifices do we come to God, but by an Altar of sacrifice which the Hebrews are NOT allowed to participate in.

        Now. The early church interpreted it the way I just did. Here you come along and say NO NO NO, this is NOT what it means.

        My question is: should I believe YOU or should I believe THEM?

        Remember here, I have the symbol of “?” and I ask you strictly deal with the “?” no long essays, I proposed simple questions here.

      • “See? How is one confirmed? By the grace of life, which is Christ Himself as the Spirit experienced by us. It is an inward matter of grace. NOT by the food of sacrifices. What about “NOT by the food of sacrifices” do you not understand?”

        Can you show us from the early church that Hebrew 13:9 was indeed interpreted the way you interpreted it?

        The reason I ask is because you miss a crucial word “Hebrews” which is the reason of the whole book.

        The scriptures here is saying that not by way of the Hebrew sacrifices do we come to God, but by an Altar of sacrifice which the Hebrews are NOT allowed to participate in.

        Now, laying my opinion and you’re opinion aside here. The early church interpreted it the way I just did. Here you come along and say NO NO NO, this is NOT what it means.

        My question is this: should I believe YOU or should I believe THEM?

        Remember here, I have the symbol of “?” and I ask you strictly deal with the “?” no long essays, I proposed simple questions here. You answer should be simple: a) believe me, or b) believe them. ..

        All I need is a symbol “a” or “b” and then your explanation why.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    You have made such egregious errors – I don’t know where to start. Paul BAPTIZED PEOPLE – to refuse to baptize is to refuse cleansing from sin. “…For it not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the DOERS of the Law that will be justified.” Romans 2:5-13 Paul most assuredly condemned a sinner to punishment (1 Cor 5:3-5), and only AFTER his punishment had been served did Paul declare him forgiven (2 Cor 2:6-11). Now tell me how the ‘common Protestant position’ adheres with what scripture actually says and depicts.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    What do you believe about OT bad priests? Did the quality of the man performing the role of priest influence the sins that they absolved or didn’t absolve? What do you say about Caiphas?

  • Thank you for the short testimony of coming home David G. Never look back indeed and blessing to you as well.

  • Tom_mcewen

    Well, I am sure you are right and I think you should hold your breath until it happens, it will be soon no doubt, I trust your analysis. Hold that breath.

  • Thank you for your encouraging comment brother Jerome. I have been viewing Christendom as a tree with so many branches to only ask myself, why not come down from one limb that could not hold my weight?

    So I decided to come down to the trunk of the Oak tree, that was as solid as the oak tree I saw in front of the tomb of the Patriarchs in Shechem. I am not sure if you get my parable, but on the other hand I think you do.

    Indeed, one is never to change their mind from a gust of wind like the ones I saw in Jericho that brought forth locusts, but there is another gust of wind which Christ spoke of where it “blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

  • To answer you question Concerned American is YES. It is as you said. You have spoken wisely, even more wisely the rest of your statement. The Jesus-style question I ask is why is it attacked from the branch you rest on?

  • Never said I believed in a 7 years tribulation. You continue to ignore my initial comment and then continue to response to me after saying you were going to ignore my comments.

    Now, I did some digging and found that the majority of Church Fathers agrees that the 70 Weeks were fulfilled on 70AD with only Ireneaus and Hipplotpus saying the final week is futuristic. Since there was disagreement in the early church, I think I will continue to believe that the final week, a 3.5 years tribulation is yet to happen. See? I can research and I don’t have any problem admitting when I’m wrong.

    For the record, I do not believe in the pre-trib rapture. And I do not appreciate you calling my comments idiotic which is why I called you a jerk.

  • Tom_mcewen

    I live in Czech and I will never turn my back on Christ, when I paint I pray first and the painting is better, I enjoy the theology of God, I just turn my back on the protestant Christ because he is an insane Greek God in protestant theology, because he is a creature created in man’s mind. The presence of Christ is there in the Catholic church, we have evil and bad priests, so what there are tares every where. No, Luther theology, or worse Calvin or endless preachers who think they are theologians but in their heart are used car salesman, putting bananas in the transmission. I would rather be martyred then return to the heresy of protestantism. I am sorry you met a bad priest, but so have I and Christ before God the Father can plead in their defense, good luck with that. It is too bad that protestants do not see Christ in the Catholic church, but then they don’t take ownership of the knowledge out there, we are not a myth nor nonchristian, but the core of history. Christ is not a simple one dimension as it is in verse Christianity. Words mean something.

  • Walid,

    I carefully took several days while on travel to read this. Thank you for your diligence and scholarship.

    Vinny Zee

  • mspip

    have read a few books concerning NDE’s a fascinating subject. most are quite convincing. glad that you are still around for your children.

  • Tom_mcewen

    Question, why do you go to the Catholic church at all? The readings take 30 minutes at my church and the teachings even longer. My priest is brilliant and expect steak and we get steak not chicken. If you as a Catholic expect to be spoon fed then you are lazy and not interested in the imitation of Christ, it is your path to salvation not the churches, it puts out guard rails and help, if want to drive through the guard rails have at it. Confession is a doctor once a week having you get on the scale to see if you have done what he said about your eating, not telling yourself to eat less. It is your salvation, I have heard the bible in the readings ten times cover to cover and taught. Not just Paul. The word Christian was first used in Antioch because they were taught by the apostle John, then the apostolic fathers then they were called Christians, what they were taught is what I am taught, therefore I am a Christian by definition, protestants are not, period, you have one verse, or Luther’s have your cake and eat it, or Calvin’s have your cake and eat it too, but just for me and my friends. My Catholics were sent to the uranium mines and kept their faith.

  • It’s cool, man. We clearly had our battle lines drawn in the sand, so it’s cool. Water under the bridge and all that.

  • Tom_mcewen

    The word of God, who told you so, by what authority do you proclaim it the word of God? Why when the bible is 100,000 verses do you choose that verse, they are all inspired, why not a verse from numbers, Christ did not write a single word down. The apostles did, how do know they are true. I believe they are true because the church declare them to be true, protestants do not believe the church is true, why then do you declare the bible to be true, I kneeled today and recieved the Eucharist. Which is the body of Christ, you do not, why are saying you are Christian, in protestant theology I can reject Christ all of my life and accept him with my dying breath and be saved, so what does it matter if I am far from God as long as I say the words, no works for the poor, you are a single Christian picking a single verse to match your theology, my theology accepts no single verse to be an universial answer, theology is understanding God’s mind as an adult not as a child being spoon fed by a non authorized preacher. Calculus is not learned from a book, you need a calculus teacher too. Some protestant told me preachers are theologians. I wanted to be closer to Christ so I left Protestantism and became Catholic thank you much for worringabout my soul. I am a work in progress,

    • susan

      After years of reading the posts on this site, I’ve noticed several things. One is that those who claim to be watchmans on the wall…seldom are.

  • susan

    Christ says thou art Peter and upon this rock I shall build my church and you say No, He didn’t.

  • susan

    Scary isn’t it? I wonder how many will be paying attention.

  • susan

    James, time will tell. Keep watching. 🙂

  • susan

    Good question Iggy.

  • susan

    Wow. Thank you for sharing 🙂

  • susan

    I felt as light as a butterfly :). Only cleaner. :)). Hopefully Walid will share soon in another article. 🙂

  • michelletherese

    Read the writings of the Church Fathers, straight from the horses’ mouths. You can find a lot of good books that gather these writings into read-able chunks at such places as Ignatius Press, Sophia Institute Press, TAN Publishers, even Angelus Press even if it is otherwise SSPX.

    Here is a link with several books of Early Church writings:

    http://www.ignatius.com/AdvancedSearch/DefaultWFilter.aspx?SearchTerm=early+church+fathers&ck=t,a,d,c

    Some years ago I bought on sale an entire set of books of the writings of the Church Fathers in the first 300 years, which is known as the anti-nicene era, just means before the Nicene Creed was developed, “anti” doesn’t mean “against” ~ and this collection from very anti-Catholic Mennonites and this little library is fantastic! You can find it at http://www.christianbook.com

    http://www.christianbook.com/the-ante-nicene-fathers-10-vols/9781565630826/pd/30823?event=CPOF

    You could also get in contact with a monastery, Benedictine or Carmelite or Dominican monks or nuns, they could also direct you to primary source writings of the early Church. This then lays down a foundation: which church still teaches all of this?? That is how I became Catholic. It took years because I had very little guidence but wow…

    Also, look at http://www.ewtn.com and http://www.catholic.com which is Catholic Answers, great for learning about the Catholic Faith from the very basics to the deeply profound.

    May God guide you!

  • michelletherese

    Walid Shoebat announces he’s now Catholic.

    And the Protest-ants rise up in their endless REBELLION by spouting all manner of rebellious protests against Christ’s Church.

    Why does this still surprise and annoy me? I should expect it by now!

  • Tom_mcewen

    I do go to mass everyday

  • Tom_mcewen

    I plan to be insulting I find protestants to be insulting to the intelligence of most Catholics. No words of your own, sound bites to replace original thought, a justice system where the attributes of the defense attorney gives the criminal a free pass to heaven, no justice to the victim. God the Father has no solvereign will and the Holy Spirit is a dinner guest who talks crap.

  • susan

    Are you implying that celibacy leads to pedophilia?

  • Mind Pop Corn Ball

    Right off the bat, I want to say that I TRULY love my protestant brothers and sisters in Christ. Great preaching. Love of Scripture. Great music. Love of our Lord. There is a lot to admire. That being said, I was in the same predicament, myself twenty some years, ago that Walid found himself in. The big question for me, the circle I couldn’t square always was this: Would Jesus the Christ, the Savior leave his Church, his people in error for 1500 years to twist in the wind until Martin Luther and the other protestant reformers (who never claimed divine intervention or inspiration) **discovered** the right way??

    Did Martin Luther all of a sudden, just one day, say, “Shazam!!! Listen, folks! You’ve been doing it ALL WRONG for all this time! My 95 theses will tear down this institution in place since Pentecost, but, don’t worry, we will build a new theology based on my preference, take books that Jesus used out of the bible and fundamentally change your relationship with God from Sacraments to “once saved, always saved,” (“sola fide,” i.e., faith is the only thing needed for salvation) and your only guide is to be scripture (“sola scriptura,” i.e., scripture alone). You need to abandon almost EVERYTHING that the Church Fathers taught you in lieu of what I teach you!” It just didn’t sound right.

    Well, it hasn’t been easy for me. Many of our priests are either gay or heretics, or both. Bad teaching, preaching, organizing and forming a community. Many have abandoned Traditions that knit Christian men and women together….and don’t get me started on the evil of the abuse scandal, but, but, but…people are and always have been imperfect and one shouldn’t trust in men (even within His Church), but God, alone. The epistles, right from the get-go, were written to admonish, correct and persuade sinners within His Church…and so it goes, still to this day…broken, imperfect, but His…right from the start…standing in the breech and trying to be light, salt, life, truth and hope to broken and sinful mankind.

  • Tom_mcewen

    Make it simple, Paul laid on hands to Timothy. The holy spirit did not die when the apostles died, Christ created a church that will last to the end of time, the laying on hands is how the spirit of the church passes on the authority given by Christ. You don’t need to believe, but need to believe in some thing, do you believe in Newton gravity or Einstein’s distortion of space time to keep us on earth in our chairs. Our belief effects the universe and the universe effects us. I wish you would give a short sentences of what you believe sigh out scripture. It does no help, the mind picked the scripture but why is a mystery.

  • Tom_mcewen

    No but he tried to keep by his wording to keep the chief priest from sinning.

  • Tom_mcewen

    Why can you say one thing to get one answer.

  • Tom_mcewen

    I don’t accept your theory of the sword of the lord. Those first called Christian did not have the bible nor did any believer until the councils. We were not wandering around in the dark, we were taught. The bible is Not an encyclopedia.

  • Welcome home brother Gerald,

    If I may also invite you to read the continuation of this message (plan to spend a day on it, its long):

    http://shoebat.com/2016/01/25/91567/

  • While you present one truth, you do not negate the other. It is the one sense of interpreting that causes you to miss the mark. Wish you had focused on this (which was covered thoroughly) instead of focusing on the offenses.

  • Iggy,

    The reason I am reluctant to try to dialogue with the western mind is that they are all over the place. They try to get a summary. They love charts and time tables. They try to see into something that was never said. For example; when did I ever say “Protestants are not saved”? I made it clear that Christ will gather into the barn whom He wishes. However, being Protestant is far away from the truth which concerns us Catholics. Westerners are easily offended and is why I’d rather at times refrain. Here, I will ask you to do this: please quote the entire sentence I stated BEFORE you make a comment. Can you do that?

    The issue is the Eucharist, how do we understand how Christ can turn blood into wine and also make the Eucharist His Body. It behooves me that Protestants believe one thing (He can turn water into wine) while the deny the other (Eucharist is an extension of His Body). You have one sense, yet you seem to lack the other. Is that “offensive”? Whether you have a Judas heart or not, is not up to me to decide. However, if you deny the Eucharist is the literal Body, you have acted as Judas did. This is all I am saying.

  • Ask not what “if a person does” and what “if a person does not”, just ask what you should do “in remembrance of Him” and what you must not do in disobedience to Him.

  • Tom_mcewen

    My computer was stolen and I answer my phone. A sentence to ask the question, a paragraph to expand the framework and a sentence to restate. Then I can answer with my thought.

  • Tom_mcewen

    No, the holy spirit is the active element of God the Father. The Father sent him to whom he wills. I am not going to get into the Orthodox, as Christ said, as the Father sent me I send you. Beware of claiming the holy spirit, if you say words you claim are the holy spirit and is not but blasphlemy, then you are toast. Beware of those who claim the Holy Spirit, there are physical signs of this spiritual gift, if you don’t see the signs run, the SS thought they were doing good, the KGB thought why were doing good, Jim Jones thought he was doing good. People don’t think they are doing evil but good. I need the church and its authority to be my rudder in the massive ship which is my prideful soul. Luther and all great sins start in pride.

  • Tom_mcewen

    Right 70 % of Rome was slaves and they were protestants. Keep your myths and fairytales. History has records yours has none.

  • Tom_mcewen

    Well, I hope you go out of the presence of me. Thank you very much.

  • Henk,

    Sorry that you had to type up all your problems with Catholicism which I edited out since each and every point was addressed at some point in time at Shoebat.com. Let me explain how it works. We write. You read. Then if you object to statements that were said, you need to quote them and explain.

    However, I have also written a sequel to this here and it also responds to many of your issues. Would like you get quotes from it and your response:

    http://shoebat.com/2016/01/25/91567/

  • Tom_mcewen

    All of it. Peter was in Rome 25 years orally teaching, Mark is a post it note. The bible is a post it note to the deposit of faith. In 70 AD Peter and Paul had been dead three years. The books you think of as the gospel, Luke, Matthew and John had no author’s name on them, it was the apostolic fathers who testified to the authors, they were the authority and that was far after 70 AD. This theory of pseudo-protestants in spirit fill communities discussing the scripture is crap. The societies of the ancient world was oral, the writings of Homer was recited by memory for hundred of years and there was no injection of error. The bible you claim existed even while John was a slave in the lead mines did not exist. To create a bible would take the death of a thousand sheep, the skins would need to be scraped thin and transparent, ink would be made from animal gall with trace metals, then you would need 8 man years to write it, or you could take reeds, mash them beach them with lye and urine and build a press to bond the fibers. But first you would need the correct letters and apostle’s writings while they lived in a police state as outlaws. The bones of the slaves we have show massive wearing of the joints and groves in the bones from massive loads and malnutrition. The age of these bones at the time of death was 16-25. The ancient civilizations was built on muscle power, the Roman throwaway tools were slaves they had a empire of them. The afternoon entertainment was putting women into cages with bears, a father could kill all of his family and all the slaves it was his right, the state was the Father it was its right to kill. There was no pseudo- Protestant Academy where the philosophical scalpel was use to discuss the man-God Jesus. The apostles taught the people listened, the holy spirit was in the apostles, it was not a debating society, we are one, top down, you have 44,000 sects we have 2+2=4. I like the shepherd of Hermes, but the fathers didn’t so it didn’t get in. The bible is a small part of the deposit of faith, the church created it for the liturgy. The apostles, the apostolic fathers, the fathers the church and its bishops is how you got the bible in 397 AD, not in some well lit of spirit filled people reading the scriptures in 70 AD.

    • I love it when an apostolic succession faith Christian responds with fact and shuns the false accusations and myths. Great comment Tom. Great response.

      • Tom_mcewen

        Thanks, I know I am to hard but falsehood and wooly headed thinking is going to get us killed. The coptics are Christians, they need to realize pseudo- history and one verse bible verses is the french army in 1940.

  • Henk,

    If I allow all the same bullet point complaints about the Catholic Church without giving the article a fair shake, was that fair of you to do? I spend 8 days detailing the issues (which are mostly what you brought up) and addressed them to only get the same repetition that all seem to typically do.

    Imagine if you thought that 1+1=3

    And someone expounded why +1=2 to only get a comment that says “1+=3”? Over and over and over.

    Would editing out the error not be logical?

    Assume that I was wrong and that 1+1 did equal 3 and I explained my wrong position, wouldn’t it be fair at least that you quoted my error and explained it?

    This is what your camp always does. If one speaks on Mariology they object on Icons and if one addresses icons they would address Mariology. They write an entire article and post it on the comment box expecting us to run after the opinion while everyone forgets what was presented.

    Have you addressed my article? Quoted a single quote from it?

    No.

    And now you’re disappointed? How about I? Should i not also be disappointed?

    Imagine I come to your home for a dinner invitation, and while your wife sets up the nice table with all the elaborate food; meat, potatoes, vegetables and desert of all kinds. Then I pull a McDonalds hamburger and eat that instead. Would this be adequate way to treat you and you’re wife for your wonderful hospitality?

    It is one thing to say that you were “censored” and its another thing to say that you did not treat what I have prepared for you to eat. Why not first eat and then decide what you decide to throw aways as bones and pits. But first, at least show us the bones and the pits.

    Now, you’re still welcome to address the article piece by piece and I will be glad to post you’re complete refutation.

    • michelletherese

      Bravo, Mr. Shoebat!

  • Tom_mcewen

    I hope walid can help you, he is more if an authority with better resources. I think we can agree that an Ant is not the same as an Antelope and a Dog is not the same as a Dinosaur. The Deposit of faith is not the bible, part but not the deposit. Words mean things. The literacy rate in the Roman empire was from 5-10 percent, with 80% of the population being farmers. The bible did not give birth to the church, the deposit of faith did. The bible is a tool. Your bible says the pillar and foundation of truth is the church(not the bible). The church is the living body of Christ and guards and explains the the deposit of faith. In the old testament, those who sit in Moses seat explain orally with authority and power over the written word, the church is the same. We call Mary the second Ark because of what the first Ark contained, manna the food from heaven, the stone plates of the words of God, the staff of Aaron. Mary contained the living food from heaven, the living word of God and the rod of iron to rule all nations. The truth comes from the church not the bible, the truth is the oral teaching on what the bible says, one is living one is not. The church has the holy spirit to speak truth. It is an unpopular thing to say, but look at history the church is one, you are like the innumerable locusts of the fields. The history of the growth of the church to one third of the empire by Constantine’s time was oral. Even in medieval times a bible would have taken in today’s dollars over 100,000 dollars to produce. There is no time in we can find where the Eucharist and the liturgy didn’t exist. The liturgy is the teaching of the scripture and the deposit of faith to those today who are the inheritors of the name used in Antioch. I am an exprotestant and the bible is not an icon, it is a tool.

  • Your’e obviously a grasshopper since grasshoppers belabor scripture they do not understand. They consume and produce zilch. 1 John 2:22 says that Antichrist denies Father and Son. Who denies Father and Son, Catholics or Muslims?

    Watch how you will not respond with “Muslims” since grasshoppers do not consume the Word of God, but spin and jump around it.

    Now be gone grasshopper before I puck your wings and you’re legs and feed you to the birds of prey, you’re waisting my time.

  • michelletherese

    We are to, as St. Paul said, “work out your salvation with fear and trembling”…

  • “I understood you see Daniel 9:27 as most important foundation of your interpretation of importance of the Eucharist and the grain offering. I cannot include all of your references to Daniel 9:27 here due to the number of references. ”

    Nonsense. What you are doing here is the typical isolation menthol. Had you inquired the two article on the subject you would find the Malachi 1:10-11 as well as Exodus 12:14 where he sacrifice is forever … had you done this, you would not have typed up this half baked comment. As far as the rest of your objection, I simply present other interpretations, this does not mean that we disagree, but that we have to remain open whether the Antichrist has his abode (castle) place of dwelling here and there. I was NOT being dogmatic about the issue, but I see here you isolated this too.

    And when you write things like “Replacement theology started in early church. (Satan is no fool).” It makes you sound like an amateur interpreter, for if this was true, you would point how the church fathers were “replacement theology”. This is sheer nonsense.

    • michelletherese

      KAzzOW! Walid Shoebat hits it out of the ball park again!

  • Tom_mcewen

    Thank you. You awakened me to why when you separated from the church you broke the fruit of the vine and removed the spirit connection to the bible. The body and the spirit, without the spirit the body is dead, that is what you have done to the bible, it is dead, it is a dead ICON. You know the communists|atheists while they hung shot the Catholic priests, raped the women religious, they left the protestants a lone. They wisely said, That protestants were like a fart, they may smell bad, put they can’t hurt us. That was true they found a verse, that God had appointed our rulers, so if blood ran down the walls at the neighbors, it was okay, the bible is a dead body you can pull any flesh off it you want. The spirit is the church, the spirit is the Eucharist, you have neither. The spirit of the church brought forth the NT and you guys mummified it. Thanks again

  • Tom_mcewen

    I said What I said and Mean what I say. Period

  • Tom_mcewen

    Yes you are not the typical stupid protestant, you are in a league of your own, superman was written in the thirties by two guys hoping to be paid, but they were cheated. You know? Got any proof? Empirical evidence? Witnesse? Proof please not hearsay, not the voice in your head, proof.

  • So besides the Bible you read comic books and Chick publications?

  • You must be high not on the spirit, but on something else.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Go ahead, produce the Greek – it will pulverize what you believe.

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  • Shannon Courtney

    Thank you for the truth of the gospel. I am still reading and digesting articles as well as listening to CD’s by the Mary Foundation through http://www.catholicity.com left in the foyer before entering the sanctuary. The bible supports the Catholic Church- nothing plainer. No wonder I felt bewildered and out of alignment the 30 + years when I left the Catholic Church as my own mother’s Protestant seeds implanted not committing her marriage to fully embrace the Catholic doctrine and definitions- an antagonist- and yet her ancestors as well as my father’s have been Catholic down through the centuries (French, Irish, German) I remember the days when the mass was said in Latin. And now with modern technology- there is Catholic Apologetics. Amazing. God have mercy on me for lapsing some 30 years when the the truth was in me all along being baptized as a baby- in the arms of Jesus since the beginning. I love how the children are brought up in the church- participating and sitting in the pew with parents and siblings- not like most Protestant Churches that drag the children to “Children’s Church”. I sorrow for my children that I chose not to raise them as Catholics. God have mercy on my soul and theirs. The world “salvation” is used in Catholic teachings- why do Evangelicals believe their ‘salvation’ message is a correction to what’s already taught… the tares with the wheat. Bring forth the sickle.

  • Olivia Blick

    I have always had a problem with preachers demonising wine at the Lord’s supper like they are saying Jesus made a mistake and so they try to correct Him by substituting wine with Juice… When Judges 9:13 says wine pleases both God and man… Thank you very much n i love your posts very much, God made u convert frm d devil’s religion for a reason, which reason u r doing perfectly

  • “but Jesus didn’t build the Roman Catholic Church, the Roman Empire did ”

    Then what did Jesus build when He said “I will build My church”?

    You will say: He built a body of believers.

    Okay then, can you name me one name of anyone from prior to Luther who did NOT have ask the saints in heaven to intervene or ONE who did not believe Communion is not the literal Body? Can you show us ONE who believed as you do?

    • CW2 James

      Well let me ask you this. Where in the Bible does Jesus say he will put a “vicar of Christ” on the earth to be idolized by all the true believers?

      From A brief history of the Roman Catholic Church: Although many (including Catholics) claim that the Apostle Peter was the first Pope,
      some historians give this title to the Roman Bishop Leo I (440-461). He
      was the first to claim ultimate authority over all of Christendom.
      Likewise, non-Catholics generally agree that the Roman Catholic church
      as an institution began when Gregory I was appointed as bishop of Rome in AD 590.

      I trust Jesus when he says to know a true disciple of the Lord, to look at their fruits. Now not to insult you, or your faith, but have you looked at the fruits of the current Papacy? I know, I know, Christian televangelers and others have their issues too, I totally give that to you.

      But you never did explain to me why you went from Baptist to Catholic.

      Now to answer your questions, Yes I do believe that Communion is the literal body, and the wine the blood (still waiting on that answer too..lol) and I know MANY who believe the same as I, but no one famous that could corroborate..lol

      Also, I don’t recall any scripture where the Apostles or prophets asked for help from St Patrick, or St. Christoper, or (the idolized) Mary. As to any reference to Luther, I can’t say as I’m not Lutheran nor do I know anything about them.

  • “Did you convert from Baptist to Catholic?”

    Its better to answer your question with a question. What if I converted from Baptist to Coptic. Would it make any difference to you?

    Do you know Who started the Coptic Church CW2?

    I will be glad to delve into a lengthy dialogue about your other question, but on one condition: you remain in this dialogue for at least a full month where we both answer questions. Deal?

  • CW2,

    What is a Copt?