The Duggars Are A Cult

By Theodore Shoebat

The Duggars’ are a cult, they promote the cult organization of Bill Gothard, and many victims have come out to give their accounts on the sexual abuse he inflicted upon them. I have done an entire video exposing the Duggars’ connection with Bill Gothard, and how the Gothard cult, and those like it, resemble greatly the cult of Islam. Both give a facade of godliness, family values, and politeness, and both are filled with sexual deviances.

I understand that there are many people who admire the Duggars, I am not here to attack you, but to warn you on the cult they are promoting. The Duggars are promulgating the cult of Bill Gothard, and not only that, but Jim Bob Duggar and Michelle Duggar are planned to speak at three upcoming national conferences for Gothard’s organization. 34 women have have stated that Gothard sexually harassed them and 4 women reported being sexually assaulted.

Its hard to argue that the Duggars may not know about Gothard’s cultish ways. No one is that naive. The Duggars even received a letter from a girl named Megan Lin, telling them as one who personally suffered under Gothard’s cult the dangers of his movement:

Dear Duggars,

I speak from the perspective of one who experienced firsthand sexual harassment that parallels the personal stories told on the whistleblower website, Recovering Grace. Those stories were written by girls who worked closely with Bill Gothard, who is the founder of ATI, the homeschool curriculum and training convention your family uses and attends every year. I hope that this open letter will be heard from the heart by your family and the many others who are questioning your continued involvement with this group. Today, I am a married mother of two. My objective is to convey to you as a parent the concern I have for children being brought up in the authoritarian lifestyle espoused by Gothard.

My involvement in ATI set the stage for the unwanted sexual attention that I experienced at the hands of Bill Gothard. His teachings requiring unquestioning obedience by children that were taught to me by my parents, which they gained through their training via Bill Gothard’s enormously popular Basic Seminars in the early 70s. When I was a teen, I was sent to volunteer for Gothard at his seminars and training centers. Gothard paid special attention to me, and often asked me to travel in his personal van from center to center. When he was in town, Gothard would periodically request my presence in his office for long hours and late into the night for the purpose of counseling. His behavior toward me was what I would now define as predatory in nature, although at the time because of my over-protected upbringing, I was merely confused and uncomfortable. Bill would sit or stand close to me, stroke my back or my arm, and rub his hand along my leg, as he would tell me that he believed God had brought me to his ministry for a purpose. Even though Gothard taught firmly in his seminars and materials that an unmarried man should not touch a woman in this way, Gothard did so regularly with me and other girls I knew at the time.

Gothard’s followers are astoundingly loyal, even to the detriment of the victim. This may be why personal attempts to address the issues within the ATI movement have fallen on deaf ears until the recent public disclosures on the Recovering Grace website. Once, I went to Gothard’s leadership to express my discomfort with his attentions, and was severely disciplined for my efforts by being confined to my room for weeks, even for meals. At the end of my confinement, I was once again summoned to his office, and I did not complain again. This disciplinary structure pervaded his entire ministry at varying levels, and I believe that it was a direct result of his teachings.

Mr. and Mrs. Duggar, I believe that your family has a sincere desire to live your life for the glory of God, and that you desire the best possible upbringing for your children. However, I also know that the lifestyle you have chosen for your children is more dangerous to them than it is protective of them. I am aware that you list ATI as your homeschool affiliation on your public website. I also know that your family takes a prominent role in the annual homeschool seminars ATI hosts for its families. I appeal to you to reconsider your involvement with this group. Some may suggest that Gothard’s inappropriate behaviors over the past forty years which have been carefully documented on recoveringgrace.org are personal to Gothard, and should not be attributed to his teachings or to his followers, who include your family. I do believe that Gothard saw himself as above his own rules. However, I also believe that the authority structure that he designed for his followers created the opposite of its stated intention: the so-called protections designed for women and children which includes removing the right to say “no” to a person in authority has the effect of setting these same women and children up for abuse from within. I know; it happened to me.

Sincerely,

Megan Lind

I have taken several excerpts from accounts of several of these women, and will quote them all here.

One victim, Charlotte, was even told that her existence was based on Bill, as she wrote herself:

I have been told I am alive because of Bill Gothard. My parents became involved in the seminars in the early 1970s, and at that time they were done with having kids. My parents told Gothard that, because of him, they were convicted to have more children. I was born in 1975, and from the get go I was told that I was special—the seventh child, God’s perfect number—and that I owed my life to Bill Gothard.

Her father, like Gothard, was a sexual predator, and was an absolute fanatic about his teachings:

My father was so deep into Gothard’s teachings, and he preached them so much, that his church board had issues with it. He was forced out of a church in Minnesota. He blamed this on the board not being willing to grow. I have my own theory of why he was forced out, though.

My father was a sexual predator. He had been forced out of churches in California and New Jersey for taking indecent liberties with young girls. My mother turned a blind eye to it all. My father’s sexual abuse of me didn’t start until we moved to a pastorate in New Jersey, when I was seven years old and got my own room.

Gothard began acting inappropriate with Charlotte, touching her breast and giving her cash to purchase certain bras that aroused him:

We would meet after dinner in his office around 7 or 8 p.m. That’s when he started really touching me. I am curvy, and he loved my breasts. He gave me cash and told me to buy bras that pushed me up more; he wanted me to always wear them when I was around him. He never wanted me to show him, though. He just liked to touch over the clothing. He would drive me home so I wouldn’t walk alone to my house in the dark. He would hold my hand and rub my leg and tell me not to tell anyone about what we did in his car.

When Charlotte told her mother, she, like a typical cultist, snapped at her daughter and called her a liar. Gothard arranged for Charlotte to return to him, and she arrived, the cult leader did some severe sexual molestation. Her fallout with Gothard eventually led to her parents rejecting her:

I told my mom about what was happening, and she told me I was lying. Bill arranged my flight back to O’Hare so we could ride back to Headquarters in the car together. That’s when he first put his hand between my legs and felt me all the way up.

There were rumors going around about Bill and me. My brother started hearing things and asked me about it. Of course I denied everything. Bill had sworn me to silence with both guilt and fear. I was the one who was at fault because I was tempting him. If I told anyone, the future of the entire ministry could be compromised. Why would I want to hinder God’s work? He told me that this was our little secret, just between us. If I told anyone, he said he would kick my family out of ATI.

“My parents blackballed me and thought I was the devil because I was sent home from Headquarters. I was a shame to the family for being sent home. I really went on a tailspin after that. I tried to take my life a number of times. I turned to sex and men to make me feel better about myself. I thought that sex was all I was worth.

I had a falling out with my parents

One victim, named Ruth, found it too emotionally difficult to describe her experiences under the Gothard cult, and so her husband wrote it, and here are his words:

When Ruth arrived at the Oak Brook headquarters at the age of 18½, all aspects of her life were controlled by Bill and his brother (who was serving as V.P. of the ministry): where she lived, what she wore and how she wore it, who she saw, where she went to church and the level of involvement she could have with it. Bill once threatened Ruth with dismissal over one male friend of hers, because he couldn’t tolerate her “lack of total commitment” to him.

And this was just over her corresponding with a young man who lived two thousand miles away. Ruth and Bill finally reached a compromise: Bill would read all of the correspondence from this young man and help her write very non-personal letters in response, while discouraging any phone calls between the two. Bill felt that his authority overshadowed Ruth’s parents’ approval of this Christian young man and their relationship.

Image was everything to Bill. Bill would send Ruth and other staff women to his brother for various training, and would preface the direction by saying, “God has given my brother special insight and direction.” These areas of “training” were normally in dress and presentation. Ruth often stated that some of the women complained that Bill’s brother even directed what kind of underwear they should wear.

One could say these young, impressionable staff members were slowly brainwashed, and “God’s blessing” was used as a means of control. Staff members who questioned anything Bill taught were forced to leave and were labeled as failures. Bill would explain that they had failed God and were resistant to God’s chain of command. Questioning was rarely tolerated by Bill and his family. The Gothards were at the top of the chain of command, as evidenced by God’s blessing on the ministry, of course.

Although he taught the highest standards of physical conduct for the sake of outward appearances, Bill started asking Ruth to sit on his lap in his office. He would invite her to come watch the stars, and they would lie on the roof of the old Headquarters building under a blanket together.

Bill would take her to dinner and have her sit next to him on the bench seat of his Olds 98. She told me that he used intimate phrases like “I
don’t know what God has planned for us,” clearly implying that there was something more to their relationship than secretary/boss.

Ruth didn’t love Bill as a suitor, but over time he trained her to rely so exclusively on him for every decision she made that she was willing to do what God commanded and marry him if he asked. While the things that they did would not be terribly unusual for a dating couple outside of the Institute, Bill’s behavior was way out of bounds for a Christian leader and boss, and a clear double standard set against Bill’s own teachings on moral purity.

Individual witnesses reported that in the late ’70s, when Bill was visiting the Northwoods, he would wait until all the staff ladies had gone to bed, and then he would knock on their door to give them a long good night hug while they were dressed in their night gowns.

Ruth often said how much all the girls hated it, but felt powerless to stop it. Ruth’s writings contain this quote, “Bill treated staff women with a level of intimacy only appropriate in marriage and did discuss marriage with several women.

He did so without consulting the parents, even though he teaches in the seminar that this is an evidence of a man with questionable motives. What good purpose could Bill have had in discussing marriage with more than one woman? If this was a means of creating loyalty to himself, it is not one we believe God can bless.”

By this point Ruth had worked at the Institute for 7½ years. Bill had interfered with every relationship she had attempted, yet he failed to move to a point of commitment. He hinted at marriage, discouraged or forbade all other relationships, and left her stuck in emotional “never-never land.” Ruth writes, “I was threatened with demotion by Bill Gothard in 1978 when I asked him to emotionally free me to date and seek to build relationships with men other than him.”

These cults are microcosms of sharia, if they were given their own nations, they would be no different from Muslim nations, with sexual deviancy, incestuous rape, sodomy, molestation, coercion and violence, being the law of the land.

The devil is extremely adaptable. He will adapt to your sense of morality, no matter how puritanical, and use it to take your own souls. He uses the morality of cults to deceive and corrupt the morally minded, and he will take those of a sanctimonious persuasion and form them into the most diabolical sects one can imagine.

Satan will take what seems to be angelic, and contrive the most sinister of doctrines. The devil will utilize morality to bring people into hell.

Let us not forget, America fought against two cults: one worshipped the Japanese emperor, and the other worshipped the Fuhrer. Both were cults of the same spirit as any cult, but they were at a national level and popularity.

We fear Islam because it has taken entire nations, but we should remember that even Muhammad began as but a local cult leader. If it was squashed at its earlier stages it would have never expanded to the degree that it is now.

The small cults that we are indifferent towards do not grow to the level they desire because they are restricted by both legality and their small numbers. If a lunatic like Gothfard ever obtained an empire, there is no doubt that he would indulge his sexual perversions to the most violent extent, he would kill his enemies and enact the severest of tyranny.

Take these cults of America, internationalize them, and that is Islam. Islam is a seemingly conservative cult, just as these other cults contain a facade of conservative precepts. These cults give an impression of family values, politeness, neatness, conformity, and perfection, and this indulges the convictions of so many people, and they fall into the deception, to the point of accepting their evils because one is so overpowered by their highly moral, though sanctimonious, presence.

“Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.” (2 Timothy 3:5) But how many do not turn away? There are myriads of families and people who, being so taken by a societal and collective expectation as to what is Christian, accept whatever group of charlatans who fit the comforts of their folly and fantasy.

Islam is not some new religion that acts distinctly within its movement, but is merely no different in its nature than the other seemingly Christian groups who incessantly and duplicitously utilize the term “spiritual authority” and repetitively use to their lustful disposal the word “god” to impact the frail and feeble, the capricious and superficially pious minds of their sycophants.

Muslims enforce the hijab, and western cults will enforce on women long skirts or even veils, all for the sake of a tyrannical modesty.

Modesty is good, but tyrannical modesty always leads to cultish scandal.

These impostors, with their never ending rivers of heretical bile, are those who “lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts” (2 Timothy 3:6)

When people object to these cults, they must always expect to receive the empty piety of flatterers, whose baseless reasons for acting so are utterly built upon the sand of the servile, who will yammer with the pompousness of the conniving slave, always attacking for the sake of the tyrant who subjugates him, against the one who comes for his liberation.

They are sheep who bear the horns of goats; they come with the genteelness and docility of the former when they flock to the wolf who isolates them from the flock, but will charge with the greatest fury against the shepherd who comes to his rescue, to kill him with his horns of self-deception.

The piety of the deceived is empty. They construct a tower out of babble, ascending up to the hazy clouds of Nimrod’s guile, thinking themselves to be in Heaven when they are truly pursuing hell.

It is quite the reality, that the devil strives to isolate the sheep from the flock, just as these reprobate cultist isolate young children from society under the deceitful pretext of “protecting ourselves from temptation,” only to seclude them to the satisfaction of the cultist’s own temptations. They put them in compounds under the guise of guidance, imprison them with ugliness and bondage and call it modesty, abuse them and esteem it discipline, ravish them and call it sacrifice. They corrupt the most sheepish amongst us, and call it innocence.

These cultists are but beasts. David Koresh, Warren Jeffs, Joseph Smith, Charles Taze Russel, Muhammad, are all of the same contemptible ilk, and are but bondwomen who need to be thrown out of Jerusalem.

“Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers” (Philippians 3:2)

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  • shoebat

    No, why twist words “The Duggars’ are a cult, they promote the cult organization of Bill Gothard” and they belong to it. Look at the first statement in the article. Now, you can argue if this is true or not, but to twist words and convey that “because they are homeschooling” is fallacious.

  • shoebat

    Party A is a child molester and a predator. Party B supports party A, regardless of letters from poor victims, after all, the image of godliness is much more valuable to them. Party A and B has an image that people admire. Then here comes Party C (us) who exposes the sickness of both parties. Then here comes party D, these do not acknowledge the filth or the level of sickness that was just exposed and their comments are voice of the disgust, but instead, what they do is criticize party C (the messenger) in the name of “rebuke” and they too never acknowledge the evil. The only thing they contribute is “the manner in which dissent/debate is handled”. To these I say, see my comment above. I do not tolerate nonsense. I will argue with you no further.

    • Kkdgrace

      Not arguing with you- I only responded out of a sense of shock and disbelief at seeing the wording- it jolted me.. Didn’t feel as if I had to address what is so obviously evil in order to express my dismay at the reply. Speaking of the issue of the “image of godliness”, would sincerely like to know how telling a commenter to “get out of my face” and calling him a “creep” is promoting a truly sincere “image of godliness” -versus the opinion of the Duggars hanging onto that image for their own benefit. . And I don’t exactly think the manner in which a professing Christian presents himself on the net in dealing with comments deemed “nonsense” is irrelevant. It simply takes away from the excellent research in the article- if I were an unbeliever reading comments, my take away would be “wow…look how those Christians respond!” Just chalk it up to “my opinion” I guess. And I will not argue any further. “Thanks” for your reply.

      • shoebat

        “Didn’t feel as if I had to address what is so obviously evil in order to express my dismay at the reply.”

        Do you see what you wrote above?

        So your telling me that if one day you walked into a cult-orgy and you walked out in disgust, and while you remained silent and when others walked in, got upset and spoke about it, you nagged at them for their “tone”, and this in itself makes you so righteous?

        “And I don’t exactly think the manner in which a professing Christian presents …” O I hear this all the time, that “niceness” is what makes a Christian. Do me a favor and stop jabbering nonsense. What is more evil than evil itself is when someone is silent about it. Tell me, are you going to expose this cult? Of course not.

    • Hotdogger71

      By all means, expose the evil of this man and anyone that truly helped him cover it up. Righteous believers will stand with you.
      But accusing someone of supporting that behavior simply because they use the organizations homeschooling materials and speak in favor of the quality of the materials is not right without evidence pointing to knowing complicity in this sin.

      • shoebat

        HotDogger, again, when 40 some girls are molested by a pastor, and they come out talking about it and urging the influential figures to stop supporting that pastor, and these individuals continue on supporting that pastor and do absolutely nothing, I take my gloves off. Thats it. You don’t like how I pressure these folks to stop supporting the pastor, my tone, my method, matters little. Thats it. No need to argue any further. You can get upset with me, chew me out or whatever, my ears are shut. I only think about the molesters, who goes to that church who supports it who donates to it and I go after every one I can find and apply the pressure. Thats it. Don’t waist your time trying to teach me lessons on manners.

        • I back you up, l will fight on your side.. anyone who continues to support or even go to such a church is as guilty as the molester.

    • Kkdgrace

      Okay- as you wish. You’re “spared”. I don’t express admiration out of a sense of flattery- it’s expressed out of true feeling for the work being done. But thanks for discerning my “intent”. Ergo my hesitation to post any type of reply.

      • shoebat

        One day you will learn that your true friends are not the ones who practice niceness only.

        • Jesus did not show niceness when he used the whip in the temple… .LOL and l do not think l would use niceness if l seen someone molesting my child… or any one’s child.. l am a little hot headed at times…

  • Hotdogger71

    So the Duggars are a cult because they use homeschooling materials from an organization whose founder is a pervert? The place that provides the materials has suspended this guy right? I didn’t see anywhere where the Duggars have come to this guys defense. Seems like guilt by association that could convict us all in one way or another.

    Should we not buy anything from Wal-Mart if one of their executives is found to engage in misconduct of this sort? Of course that would be a stretch, because one thing has nothing to do with the other.

    This guys disgusting behavior should be prosecuted and exposed, but to accuse the Duggars of complicity in it seems like bearing false witness. Something you guys are painfully familiar with thanks to the boobs at CNN. To compare God fearing Duggars to sharia law islamists & try to implicate them in another man’s perversion is over the line.

    I say these things as a friend and a brother who has bought materials from this ministry and supported Rescue Christians. Please don’t take on the nature of the accuser of the brethren.

    • shoebat

      Hmmm, so if over 40 girls at your church came to you to tell you that the pastor molested them, will you trust that pastor with your wife, sister or daughter? Of course not. Now if you knew all this and the 40 some girls begged you to stop promoting, attending and donating to this pervert’s ministry and you did nothing but continued your support, what will this say about you? Ha? Tell me? I am waiting. But please, simply answer my questions, no side tracking please.

  • Jennifer Newsom

    I am not writing to defend Bill Gothard or his ministry. I am not writing to defend the Duggars. In no way do I condemn these young women for speaking out and exposing Bill Gothard for any wrongs committed or for expecting those involved in his ministry to do the same. I have no way of knowing what really happened in any of these cases, but because his denial is vague and he has been removed from his position I have to assume the worst. Having stated my “disclaimer” I would like to say that Bill Gothard did not teach or promote in any way “removing the right to say “no” to a person in authority” as stated by Megan Lind in your post. If this were true, his ministry would indeed be a cult. But it is not true. (I am not calling her a liar. Who knows what she was told in his office or by her parents at home?) He actually teaches that God is a person’s ultimate authority and that if a person in authority over you asks you to do something against the teaching of God (something considered by a Christian to be immoral) then you must obey God rather than your earthly authority. This point is stressed in his seminars. This is an extremely important point in light of the accusation. I understand from the information on Recovering Grace and by these testimonies how you would think otherwise. But, read his textbooks and listen to his seminars.
    The standards he expounds are his ideals. He does not connect them with salvation.
    I am not endorsing his standards or his ministry. I am making clear an important fact that has been skewed.
    My prayers and greatest sympathy go out to the girls who have been abused in any way. Those who claim the Bible as their authority are capable of distorting what it says to achieve their own ends. Those attending Bill Gothard seminars are capable of doing the same. Again, I am not defending him or those abusing young girls. I am not saying there aren’t those husbands/families who distort what is taught. I am saying it is possible that the other millions of men who have attended his seminars were unaware of the abuse and because they love God and love their wives as Christ loved they Church they understood the authority teachings as they should have and have loving functional, Christ honoring families.

  • SL2014

    Are the Duggars’ Devotion to Bill Gothard or Jesus Christ?

    • shoebat

      Gothard and mamon. Jesus was not that nice for those who seek a nice Messiah.

  • NorthernConserv

    Round 6!!!!!!!!!! Go GET THEM WALIDDDDD!!!

  • Debi

    Bishop Sheen on confession:

    • Julie LaBrecque

      I love Bishop Sheen, such a wise, holy man with the gift of conveying a message that could enlighten the most illiterate while keeping the literate engaged. Few have that gift.

      • shoebat

        You guys are funny. We are having a fight in here, and you two are talking about Fulton Sheen. Are Catholics always that calm?

        • Julie LaBrecque

          NO! Don’t start a rumor:) !! This Pastor needs serious confession, and perhaps his supporters too. I believe that was why she intervened.

        • Julie LaBrecque

          Here’s a prediction regarding your ‘detractors’ on this article: If the Pastor involved had been a top dog Catholic, and the families still ‘supporting’ him were highly visible ‘Catholic’ families, they would have a very different reaction, if they had one at all.

        • Rapheal Sebastian

          Catholics are mostly calm until stupidity, ignorance and vile slanderers rear their ugly heads. When the child abuse scandals were exposed in the Catholic Church, the laity piled on pressure from their respective parishes to make sure this inhuman and diabolical acts were addressed.

          As we know, the Church had been infiltrated by evil men with evil designs on children and on the Church. Some even had the overt or tacit support of evil like thinking higher ups in the hierarchy. There were attempts to sweep this under the carpet but they could only sweep so much. When the full scope of this came to light and no longer were misled with lies and denials Catholics demanded the severest of punishments both canonical and secular. The Church has accepted full responsibility.

          We have seen great strides in crushing this diabolical scourge and through the grace and intervention of God, the Church will be able to purge this infestation once and for all. In the mean time, reconciliation, aggressive action and prosecution is vigorously pursued. The Church knows there is no amount of reparation in form of compensation from lawsuits can assuage the victims anger, betrayal, distress, psychological damage and injury resulting directly from the outright un-Godly acts of these so called “priests”.

          Recent past months have sown that reconciliation and hopefully through God’s grace, the Church remains vigilant and remove those who are complicit even by omission post haste..

      • Debi

        Thanks Julie,
        Confession is important to keep us in check. Confession is the beginning of healing to our souls and keep us focus on our own Sins. This can keep us away from much gossip and slander, because we focus on our own sins, not on our brother’s specks. I use to be a Catholic (in my early 20’s) then I became a Baptist. I don’t remember once ever in my 20 years of being a Baptist the mention of confession and it’s importance to our spiritual growth. By the Grace of God, I’m back to the Catholic Church. Confession is as important as breathing the air God gives us for life, with out confession there is no repentance, with out repentance, there is no forgiveness from God, with out no forgiveness from God, there IS separation from God and then spiritual death..

        • Julie LaBrecque

          Thank God you found your way back home. To our protestant brothers who have never and may never experience confession according to John 20:23: you don’t know the cleansing and rejuvenation after confessing your sins to a priest, (in persona Christi), and hearing the words, ‘go your way, yours sins have been forgiven, go and sin no more.’

    • AnthonyM

      Bishop Sheen is great. We had to watch him as a family on B&W TV. At the time I didn’t appreciate it fully, but now it is clear he was a wise and holy man.

  • Michael

    I’m your first commenter in the thread…the one you called callous, evil, and a creep. Not appreciated sir. I have respected you to the utmost for your views on end times matters. You have changed me from a left behind believing Tim Lahaye lover to someone who truly sees the Bible from an Eastern perspective. However, I only meant in my ealier comment that the Duggars may not even be aware of this Gothard and the horrible things he has done. I in NO WAY condone that man. He should be at bare minimum in jail however I suspect the Lord will have a much more severe punishment for him.

    For you to come out and say these things about me, when you don’t know me, is incredible. You and your son often speak of tolerance for Catholics and Eastern Orthodox from Evangelicals. However when I simply comment on an Evangelical family being called a cult without due evidence that they know of Gothard’s heinous acts, you come at me as if I’m Satan himself. I still respect your views on prophecy as you are quite insightful but I cannot for the life of me understand why a fellow believer would respond with such vitriol. I do not follow Gothard and from what you say he is a follower of Satan. As another commenter posted….guilt by association….with a curriculum…..if onyl the Duggars had used Bob Jones, or ABECA, or perhaps Houghton Mifflin……then we would not be having this conversation.

    Perhaps you should interview one of the Duggars….

    • shoebat

      “without due evidence”? Seriously? Did you read the evidence? It was all there for you to examine and you refuted it not. Yet you ignored it and came at me trying to show that I am a slanderer. Have you spent a few minutes to read the evidence you would find “The Duggars are promulgating the cult of Bill Gothard, and not only that, but Jim Bob Duggar and Michelle Duggar are planned to speak at three upcoming national conferences for Gothard’s organization. 34 women have have stated that Gothard sexually harassed them and 4 women reported being sexually assaulted.” The links are included so you can examine the Duggards support for Gothard. And now you are coming crying out and upset, no remorse about your false statement “Seriously…..they’re a cult because they use a home school curriculum and keep there kids sheltered from the effects of this demon infested world?” again, when 40 some girls are molested by a pastor, and they come out talking about it and urging the influential figures in that church to stop supporting that pastor, and these individuals continue on supporting that pastor go with him on speaking tours, raise funds for him (this is what the Duggars are doing) and do absolutely nothing, I take my gloves off. Thats it. You don’t like how I pressure these folks to stop supporting the pastor, my tone, my method, matters little. Thats it. my ears are shut. I only think about the molesters, who goes to that church who supports it who donates to it and I go after every one I can find and apply the pressure. Thats it.

    • shoebat

      Not interested in either you or in interviewing the Duggars, as I stated in my first comment, kindly, just get lost and go watch the Duggards and never show your face here again.

  • shoebat

    The Duggars still speak at conferences for Bill Gothard. Its in the article. Did you read the evidence? And now you are asking for “evidence”. The Duggars support this creep. HotDogger, again, when 40 some girls are molested by a pastor, and they come out talking about it and urging the influential figures to stop supporting that pastor, and these individuals continue on supporting that pastor and do absolutely nothing, I take my gloves off. Thats it. You don’t like how I pressure these folks to stop supporting the pastor, my tone, my method, matters little. Thats it. No need to argue any further. You can get upset with me, chew me out or whatever, my ears are shut. I only think about the molesters, who goes to that church who supports it who donates to it and I go after every one I can find and apply the pressure. Thats it. Don’t waist your time trying to teach me lessons on manners.

  • shoebat

    No. again, when 40 some girls are molested by a pastor, and they come out talking about it and urging the influential figures in that church to stop supporting that pastor, and these individuals continue on supporting that pastor go with him on speaking tours, raise funds for him (this is what the Duggars are doing) and do absolutely nothing, I take my gloves off. Thats it. You don’t like how I pressure these folks to stop supporting the pastor, my tone, my method, matters little. Thats it. my ears are shut. I only think about the molesters, who goes to that church who supports it who donates to it and I go after every one I can find and apply the pressure. Thats it.

  • shoebat

    again, when 40 some girls are molested by a pastor in its headquarters, and they come out talking about it that building should be burned and that molester executed. Period.

    Why?

    Who is more important, the girls or the building?

    Because that building if remains, the memory is never forgotten. There are plenty of churches for the rest of the congregation to go to.

    It should be treated as temple orgies, in which in Israel, the Temple was completely destroyed.

    • Hotdogger71

      I guess that means you’ll be torching the Vatican & several diocese soon? I understand they too have been doing despicable things.

      Is the Catholic Priesthood a cult?

      By your standard those places should be a smoldering heap.

  • shoebat

    Go ahead, debate.

  • shoebat

    No it does not break their hearts and its obvious since they did not condemn, expose or fight this evil one iota because what matters is the image of godliness, cleanliness, niceness, groomness, smiles, fame … these are usually the same folks that accuse others of following the tradition of men, yet they are the ones who follow the tradition of men. And it matters little how hard you try to reason with them, their hearts are sealed shut and their souls are seared because they think that God is a respecter of persons.

  • Debi

    Thanks Julie,
    Confession is important to keep us in check. Confession is the beginning of healing to our souls and keep us focus on our own Sins. This can keep us away from much gossip and slander, because we focus on our own sins, not on our brother’s specks. I use to be a Catholic (in my early 20’s) then I became a Baptist. I don’t remember once ever in my 20 years of being a Baptist the mention of confession and it’s importance to our spiritual growth. By the Grace of God, I’m back to the Catholic Church. Confession is as important as breathing the air God gives us for life, with out confession there is no repentance, with out repentance, there is no forgiveness from God, with out no forgiveness from God, there IS separation from God and then spiritual death.

  • shoebat

    Yes Michael, I hear you, but what about the support he still gets from Duggards? Where we wrong to expose that? The links are clear, they support that guy and go on to raise money for him knowing what he did.

  • shoebat

    O what a bunch of nonsense with all that “battlefield” and junk, please spare me the cult shivery as if one repents it eliminates the law from paying for what he did. Thank God that we have police and law. If all think like you, we are better off trusting the system than trusting you. What you say is absolute sickness.

  • shoebat

    If you don’t like my site then why are you in my site? And now you froth more slander that we promote “nudity” and now John Macarthur saying that the Catholics killed 50,000,000 is alright and is not to be exposed as a historic falsity? And now I am also “against unity”? You falsely quoted me saying things I never said, that plus you ignored the evidence I presented. Your a slanderer and nothing more. Plus I asked you to leave and you refused even though this is my site you enforced yourself to sit around as if you were an invited guest and had privileges and you disrespected my request for you to stop coming here.

  • shoebat

    If it broke your heart it would have shown from your first comment and not your last. Apparently, attacking me was more important than the molested girls. Lets keep these facts in perspective, Mr. Johnny come lately with nonsense piety.

  • shoebat

    Kkdgrace,

    Here is my summary of what happened here. You came i and saw what you considered harsh tone with Michael. You focused on the tone and ignored the more important issue–slander.

    Michael says that we presented no evidence.

    Here is my reply:

    “without due evidence”? Seriously? Did you read the evidence? It was all there for you to examine and you refuted it not. Yet you ignored it and came at me trying to show that I am a slanderer. Have you spent a few minutes to read the evidence
    you would find “The Duggars are promulgating the cult of Bill Gothard, and not only that, but Jim Bob Duggar and Michelle Duggar are planned to speak at three upcoming national conferences for Gothard’s organization. 34 women have
    have stated that Gothard sexually harassed them and 4 women reported being sexually assaulted. And the links were
    provided for you to click on and examine the evidence and are all included so you can examine the Duggards support for Gothard. We do our homework, most of the time.

    Then he writes his grand finale:

    “ … Meanwhile your site has displayed gratutious nudity, strong language in videos ( see the post 9/11’s 13th, “open season” stuck mojo video), and routinely puts down ministers such as John Macarthur and others. Definetly not promoting unity
    within the body of Christ….of course unless if you are Catholic or Eastern Orthodox. A former Congregational Holiness boy from the South…..I must be just an evil, callous, creep.”

    So I respond:

    And now you froth more slander that we promote “nudity” and now John Macarthur saying that the Catholics killed 50,000,000 is alright with you and is not to be exposed as a historic falsity because he is Baptist or whatever. And now I am also
    “against unity”? You falsely quoted me saying things I never said, that plus you ignored the evidence I presented. Your a lying slanderer and nothing more.”

    I will put some effort to help you understand, that things are not what they seem to be. Do you know the type of slander and falsity some of these people say and do?

    For example, instead of Michael refuting what I said about Macarthur, the Duggards or any of the evidences I presented, he made a blanket statement just to falsely accuse. Its the nature of slanderers, but you unfortunately didn’t get it.

    Niceness is not the yardstick to make a judgment. Jesus was not so nice when people molested the Temple, was He?

    Anger at times is necessary. Most of the time I am a nice guy, read all my comments before you judge. But even you started judging and this guy is a creep. Yet folks try to evaluate other folks based on righteous anger while they oversee that creep.

  • richinnameonly

    I know of the Duggars and I am familiar with all the cult leaders mentioned at the end of the article, but I’m embarrassed to say I’ve never heard of Bill Gothard. Or should I just be glad?

    • shoebat

      Just be glad.

    • 1Bobby8

      Neither have I.

      • richinnameonly

        I hope that means we’re doing something right, Bobby.

  • Robert Paton

    Awesome Article! I never thought to compare sexual predators with Islam; a true connection. What the hell is wrong with parents? Every, and I mean Every victim I know who told their parents all had a similar reactions from the parents, – denying or blaming the victim. Or, what did you do to cause this?! Parents Don’t be Stupid! Child molesters CANNOT be rehabilitated!

  • shoebat

    We at times argue, bicker and fight, but in the end, we are still family. I was sensitive because molestation was involved, thats all. Ok, lets put this behind us and God bless you Kkdgrace.

  • shoebat

    Can you make better sense? What are you saying, exactly, be clear. And what does the “bombing” have to do with what we are discussing here?

    • Jeremy

      1) None of us are perfect.
      2) Without a fair trial, one cannot absolutely rule out the possibility of false allegations.
      3) If he is guilty, we are under grace, and the church has very limited sanctions available (which is why we don’t attempt to preside over criminal matters) and excommunication is usually the maximum penalty in spiritual matters – correct me if I’m wrong here?
      4) There should always be a pathway available (for anyone) to full restoration (to the ‘battlefield’), if they are humble and repentant e.g. Benny Hinn repented for taking up an offering for a private jet, so we didn’t throw out the baby with the bathwater.
      5) Its a bit naive to expect infallibility/perfection in our leaders, or to allow such failings to prevent us from receiving what they do (or did) have to offer e.g. you’re entitled to make a mistake once and a while, because your unique contributions are rare and valuable.

  • shoebat

    Much appreciated Julie. I spoke at hundreds of these churches, and I said that if Jesus came to your churches, I asked “what would you do? some raised their hands and said “I will worship Him” others said “I will adore Him” and I then would say “no, most likely you would throw Him out”. I would then give a full day lecture on their false accusations about the Harlot of Babylon. Many repent while others don’t. But exposing slander and error is not easy.

    • Julie LaBrecque

      It’s a thankless job as you have found out first hand.

  • Stephen Dalton

    I was a member of a cult 30 + years ago. Sexual abuse and immorality abounded there too, especially at the very top. A friend of mine, who was raised by a father who molested her, told me that Bill Got

    • shoebat

      Great point Stephen. You have seen the bitter herb, and the ones who have not, do not fully understand.

  • shoebat

    The confession is watered down much from the true reality which the girls speak of.

  • shoebat

    Lisa,

    Beware if becoming infallible:

    “But I have His Word written in my heart. And He delivers me out of the spiritual mirey pits I’ve gotten into thus far. There are so many things He shows me.. And I know that I know…. “Yes! this is Truth…”. Or… “nah….doesn’t line up” and sometimes… “watch and learn””.

    While a Christian can at times be infallible, fact is such infallibility is occasional and so many times we believe and think in a fallible way. If everyone thinks that since we are guided by the Holy Spirit, this means that the devil at times does not creep in, we are setting ourselves for trouble. As far as Catholic vs. Protestant, you left the Catholic, but I joined the Evangelical movement when I first believed, met people on the top of the Church chain, and let me tell you, it is not a pretty picture. There is Catholic and then there is Catholocism, there are Protestants and then there is Protestantism. Examine both from their sources and then decide which you would like to join. Have you done that? I usually read and study both sides. When it comes to the Catholic, there is nothing that compares to their history, nothing. When it comes to Evangelicals, they love Israel. What we do, is bring Christians to the truth and to the error regardless.

    • Lisa Ptn

      I’m in no way infallible, that’s why I say He rescued me from the miery pits, (more times than I’d like to admit.) I don’t know how to explain what I meant by “I know that I know when I hear His Truth, it bares witness? I don’t always know when I’m hearing someone telling the truth, a lie, deception, thought or something else, but wHen I hear Truth from God, you just know it,there is no doubts whatsoever. I believed certain things that I was taught by respectable teachers. But when I heard some of your teachings, I knew I was off in my believing! The Lord Is just opening my eyes and ears, what is so simple and plain to see to you. Paul says in 2 Corinthians 11:3 “But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your mind may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.” I don’t want to be deceived, i don’t want to deceive either by my ignorance of what the bible really says. A few days ago, I did not have the resources to buy your teachings, barely internet capable. But Today, I can buy them.
      As far as research churches, I did some, on the one i left only. The ones I went on to, I learned by trial and errors and still learning as we speak. I really know nothing, except Christ crucified..

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  • shoebat

    Very interesting observation.

  • William Milford

    Ted, the video has been taken down. Can you repost it?