Major Leaders Of The Vatican Gather Together And Demand That The US Government Accept 100,000 Islamic Refugees (Who Are Really Terrorists)

By Theodore Shoebat

Major leaders of the Vatican gathered together and demanded that the US government accept 100,000 Islamic refugees, which would obviously only bring in terrorists into the country. According to the report:

The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) is appealing to the U.S. government to take in 100,000 Syrian refugees by the end of the year, along with an additional 100,000 from other countries. The population of Syrian refugees is overwhelmingly Muslim.

In a message distributed via email, the USCCB is encouraging Catholics to submit a letter to their congressional representatives as well as to President Obama urging the government to “protect the lives and dignity of people in Syria, Iraq and in other countries suffering war, persecution and poverty.” According to the pre-transcribed letter this is to be accomplished by accepting “more Syrian refugees — especially the most vulnerable — and ensuring their safe resettlement” while providing “generous aid to nations in the Middle East that are hosting millions of refugees.”

I wish America had a bishop like Kiss-Rigo, the major bishop in Hungary, who said of the refugees:

They’re not refugees. This is an invasion… They come here with cries of ‘Allahu Akbar.’ They want to take over.

The American bishops are the most corrupt bishops in the entire Church. They are truly a Brood of vipers! (Matthew 12:34). They are filled with homosexuality and are inventors of evil things, tolerating all sorts of evils in the Catholic Church, especially the depraved sin of the sodomites.

There are major homosexual rings in the Vatican, what I like to call “homosexual hornets nests.” I myself have had experience with the homosexual infiltrators in the Catholic Church.

While we were doing some work in Texas we were told of a man named Msgr. Michael Yarbrough (also known as Michael Yarborough), of Holy Trinity Catholic Church, and how he is a deviant priest who forcefully kissed a young man named Hector Escalante on the lips, and how he was supporting a pro homosexual group called Call to Action. Here is a photo of Msgr. Michael Yarbrough:

Msgr. Mike Yarbrough

Well, we decided that we were going to bait Msgr. Michael Yarbrough. I visited him in a confessional booth where I told him my age and apparently it registered an interest and he asked me if I wanted to come and hang out with him. He fell for the bait. I found it very odd that a priest of his high position, with a very busy schedule, would all of a sudden want to spend time with me.

I accepted his offer, and gave him a call, and asked him if we would meet at a book store. He said that he preferred that we meet in his office. I found this quite disturbing because it was in his office where he kissed Hector Escalante. When I did research on Msgr. Michael Yarbrough, I found a 2002 report written in the San Antonio Express which stated:

Hector Escalante complained that Monsignor Michael Yarbrough kissed him on the lips and groped him in his office in 1998 when Escalante was 27, on his last day on the job as a St. Matthew’s Parish employee.

Yarbrough admitted kissing him but said Escalante misunderstood the gesture, which the priest said was common among men in his family. He denied groping Escalante.

Imagine, a man kissing another man on the lips as “common.”

I told Msgr. Michael Yarbrough that it would be better that we meet in a book store, to which he agreed. I asked him how much time he had, and he said, as long as I wanted. After doing some more research, I also found out that on top of kissing a young man on the lips, Msgr. Michael Yarbrough is a also a major donor to a pro homosexual group, called Call to Action, and I found his name on a list made by Call to Action designated as “major donors”. I took a snapshot of the list with Msgr. Michael Yarbrough’s name highlighted:

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So, we had the meeting at the bookstore, and after some conversation, I busted him on his heresies and his scandals, and also paid a visit to his church where I was eventually kicked out by his followers (who probably know nothing on how evil this heretic is). Here is the video:

For years we have seen how the Vatican covers up for sexual predators and deviants, heretics and debased theologians. But we have never seen how the agents of the Vatican cover up for such evildoers in their private conversations. Well, Shoebat.com is now giving you this exclusive video showing you how the conniving is really done.

I confronted Deacon Ron Walker, an official of the Vatican, asking why the Church has done nothing to punish Robert L. Kincl, a priest and canon law judge who was appointed by the Pope himself, who teaches that if two men masturbate each other they do not commit sin, and who himself defended confirmed child molester priest, Fr. Robert Hrdlicka. This is after Shoebat.com filed a complaint against Kincl after we caught him teaching us depravity.

Deacon Ron Walker and the Bishop of Austin, Joe Vasquez, and Vicar General Daniel Garcia, did nothing to have Robert L. Kincl punished, even after they promised to take care of this evil. Shoebat.com realized that they were just patronizing video.

Here is the video:

Robert L. Kincl, who was appointed by the Pope, had befriended us as a fan of Shoebat.com acting as conservative, yet referred to homosexual fondling as permissible in the conversation. Having been shocked at his remarks, I told Kincl:

How can you, as a priest, be so liberal toward such a sick evil as two men fondling each other, or as two men having a “relationship” just as long as they are not going with other men. It is evil and it is reprobate.

I also told him:

It is not tolerable for you, as both a priest and a canon law judge, to be permissive to somebody having a homosexual relationship just as long as they are not being promiscuous with other men. It is deplorable, and in the words of St. Paul, “worthy of death” (Romans 1:32).

Kincl defended his position and responded with a rejection of the Old Testament and a twisting of St. Paul’s condemnation of homosexuality in Romans, stating

We do not follow the Hebrew Scriptures. We follow Jesus Christ who never mentioned gay relationships. When St. Paul mentioned such a relationship he was referring to the promiscuousness of the Romans using sodomy.

Shoebat.com decided to investigate Kincl and found that he has a dark past. In 1993, Kincl worked as a Commander in charge of clergy at the U.S. Navy, and while he was in the service he defended another chaplain confirmed to be guilty of child molestation, named Robert Hrdlicka.

The investigation revealed that Robert L. Kincl had even written the authorities, not to charge the pedophile who molested the young boys, but urged them to send him back to serve as a chaplain:

Catholic chaplain Lt. Robert Hrdlicka pleaded guilty to molesting boys in 1993. Before his sentencing, six other Catholic Navy chaplains and the church’s archbishop for the military services urged authorities to send Lt. Hrdlicka to a church-run treatment center.

“It is my fervent hope and prayer that he will be able to return to the active ministry as soon as possible,” wrote then-Cmdr. Robert L. Kincl.

Instead, Lt. Hrdlicka went to prison.

Shoebat.com looked up Kincl’s My Life page, to find out that after all these years Kincl is still friends with Hrdlicka the pedophile, since he is on his friends list, of which I took snapshots:

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Just as we have Muslims, like Bergdahl, who have infiltrated the military, we have people like Kincl who have infiltrated both the military and the Catholic Church, with their depravity.

Kincl is now serving as a priest in Our Lady’s Maronite Catholic Church alongside Msgr. Don Sawyer. When I confronted Sawyer on Kincl, Sawyer vehemently defended Kincl.

Robert L. Kincl, depraved priest who defended another child molesting priest

Robert L. Kincl, depraved priest who defended a child molesting priest

Don Sawyer, Msgr. at Our Lady's Maronite Catholic Church where Kincl serves

Don Sawyer, Msgr. at Our Lady’s Maronite Catholic Church where Kincl serves

Shoebat.com decided to contact the Diocese of Austin to file a complaint, and spoke with the Very Reverend Daniel E. Garcia as the Vicar General for the Diocese of Austin, and Chancellor and Secretariat Director for Administration, Deacon Ron Walker, who were under Bishop Joe S. Vásquez of the Diocese of Austin.

We asked them how could someone who supports homosexuality and defended a pedophile still be serving as a priest and not be excommunicated, to which Deacon Ron Walker, rolling his eyes, said that the Church’s main objective would be to reconcile him with God, and not excommunicate him.

It seems that the Diocese of Austin could care less if one of its priests supports homosexuality and defended a pedophile.

Bishop Joe S. Vásquez

Bishop Joe S. Vásquez

Vicar General Danny Garcia of the Diocese of Austin

Vicar General Danny Garcia of the Diocese of Austin

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Why is this man serving as a priest when the Catholic Church, in its teachings, forbids homosexuality?

It is not surprising to see how far reaching homosexuality has gone in the Vatican. What other deviancies will enter the Vatican in the next decade remains to be seen. Whatever happened to normal sin? In the good old days, steeling a chicken perhaps constituted such sin, but these days, its sleeping with it.

If your pastor says anything in favor for Islam and homosexuality, confront him, and do so with aggression. If you attend a Christian school or university, and they have events in favor for homosexuality or Islam, go in there and confront the entire event, and do so with aggression.

If our Lord entered the Temple with a whip, the least we can do is confront these devils, and do so with aggression, and film them. Instill fear into their hearts, and horrify them into submission.

It is my aspiration that this video will begin an international movement I call Operation Whip. We must confront the deviant and heretical ministers, and not only that, we must film them and post the videos on the internet. Its time to apply the whip (peer pressure) on them.

This will break their will and put us, the zealous, in the position of power and advantage over them, and make them submit to God and not to money and mammon.

The time for weakness and sycophancy is over, there must be a movement of zealots who will take up cameras, confront these wicked ministers, and make them tremble.

For decades righteous Christians have been being mistreated and ignored by church leaders, and this is because so many Christians have, innocently, placed themselves under the authority of the hirelings with the impression that they are doing the right thing by being submissive, even when they are promoting evil and depravity.

St. Thomas Aquinas calls this indiscriminate obedience, which recklessly obeys all things regardless of how destructive they may be. (Aquinas, Summa Theologiae, IIa IIae, 104, article 5). All tyrannies thrive on indiscriminate obedience, for without those who think that submission to them is righteous, all of their power crumbles.

It is the same with cults and corrupt ministers. The reason why we have them is because of all the people who support them, and agree with them. But even in churches where the minister is corrupt, you have righteous congregants who do want to learn truth, but instead get nothing but the rubbish that springs from the superficial love of mammon.

These righteous Christians will go to the pastor, try to talk to them, but will get nothing but a passing of the buck, some nice words, some empty promises from the pastor that he will “think about it.” Or, they will try to set up a meeting with the pastor, but will get continuous excuses such as “the pastor is very busy” or endless postponements.

The days of wasting time and struggling just to get a useless meeting with a pastor, are over. Now we are in the days that obligate us to confront these wicked ministers, just as our Lord confronted those who were prostituting His Father’s Temple with zeal and a whip.

These are the days of zeal, these are the days in which we must stand up to the hirelings to their faces, film it, and let them fear and respect us, and not the other way around.

This is what Operation Whip is about, confronting pastors and teachers when they preach heresy and evil, get it on film, expose them.

I ask you, confront any wicked pastor or teacher you know, film it, post it online, and send it over to shoebat.com with proof of his evils, and we will make sure that its seen. We have to shift the battle against them.

If we can all do this, then we can clean out the Church in a matter of months.

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  • Eric Mueller

    • DeusLoVult

      Ah, don’t show that…..those guys were all homos*exuals. Here, try this instead:

      • Sublime. My wife plays this all the time. One can never get tired of it.

      • susan

        Truth, wisdom and light granted to those who will expose and fight. 🙂

  • Julie LaBrecque

    “Operation Whip” – I like it!

    • susan

      Me too. It’s time to remove these wolves in sheep’s clothing.

      • And the world does not think that we are self-critical. They think that the only one who is exposing the dirt are them. But the reason they expose it is not that they are concerned for the Church. They expose it to condemn.

        • susan

          It’s disgusting that when a sinner like me goes to confession, the Priest seduces instead of instructs.

          • Nan

            I suggest that you contact the bishop is the priest is attempting seduction.

          • Julie

            Choose your confessor and pray before confession. If you don’t feel comfortable…then go to another priest.

        • susan

          sigh. We expose because the devil has snuck into the swimming pool and is pretending to be a lifeguard.

          • Julie

            And yes…abusive priests have destroyed the lives of the person…

  • Trevor

    It’s everywhere.

  • melissa

    Interesting. Crickets!

  • Kamau41

    Evil is all around us.

  • Julie

    The American bishops should instead calling for asylum for our fellow Christians in Syria and Iraq and I already spoke to my pastor about this.

    I am seeing some charities in a far left perspective. Prior the US Bishops said a few years ago that foreigners were to respect our country, our borders and those entering illegally were to go to the back of the bus…and they were to learn English.

    There are references to the suffering of Christians in Iraq and Syria but not much more. My pastor told us this past week he would want our parish to take in Syrian Christian families but stopped saying anything more.

    I know Cardinal Wuerl, having met him years ago on West Coast. I cannot imagine him not saying anything more than just consoling words.

    • Willing to die for Jesus

      The future of the Church in the USA is with the faithful Spanish-speaking Latin Americans. It was no co-incidence that Pope Francis’s first Mass was in Spanish. This is a consequence of English-speaking US Catholics falling prey to the dual problem of secularism and the Protestant sects. Pray also that these dual threats don’t migrate South where the sects (since the time of JP II) have aggressively been targeting Catholics. These ‘Christian’ missionaries love to go on ‘missions’ to Catholic-majority countries while ignoring the Muslim countries. I cannot respect these groups and I need to control myself in how I see them as totally uncharitable. There cannot truly be Christian unity when we have this intra-competition of ‘conversions’, it is truly offensive and repulsive.

      May God truly have mercy on these “Christians” who take poorly catechized and prey on them away from the fullness of Christ in His Church!
      Blessed Virgin Mary, Our Lady of Guadeloupe pray that your faithful servants repels these sects among your followers! The USA is becoming less Protestant (in 2012, Gallup revealed the USA was no longer more than 50% Protestant; Catholics are holding their number, but now the sects and anti-Catholicism are spreading South of the border and beyond. May a Counter-Reformation be successful! The charismatic Catholics have had somewhat success in adapting to the non-denominational Protestant and charismatic sects. I remember how hurt and upset St John Paul II was with the proliferation of these unchristian sects.

      Pray the Rosary so that their deceptive, unchristian and evil work is foiled!

      • Julie

        Problem is they don’t integrate as they are not cafeteria Catholics like the Anglos. And there are those into excessive devotions…that were cause of scandal to Protestantsa visiting Mexico and elsewhere. A local pastor had to stop a healing service because of the misuse by immigrant Hispanics.

        But over all agree.

        • DeusLoVult

          They are pagan, not Catholic, my lady.

          • Julie

            Hi DeusLoVult….those here many times do not pick and choose and are deeply devout….they are deep in the Cross and very simple people….those that are….don’t go near a church…..

          • DeusLoVult

            I trust none of them, my lady. They are pagan invaders.

        • ace

          Please go “view in discussion” my suggestion to “Willing to die for Jesus” for something to consider doing.

          • Julie

            Sorry…I am not sure which one you are referring to……

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            This is the post that “ace” is referring to, a post sent to me also for your reading:
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            If there are Spanish speakers in your congregation (who doesn’t have any?), please consider helping out by buying some “giveaways” for your parish. I share the link, because some do not know where to go for this basic stuff: http://vidahumana.org/teaching

            These Spanish items are from Human Life International (HLI), a pro-life ministry, and the link tells you what you are buying in English. Prices below do not include shipping. [You have to go to the HLI English site for English Materials] You could, for example, find 1 other person in the parish and each buy $5 worth of each of 3 items, then do one order and split the shipping.)

            Guía práctica para el sacramento de la reconciliación (A Practical Guide for the Sacrament of Reconciliation). Wallet size. IC101 – 20¢

            Esto es lo que creemos (This We Believe). Basic teachings of the Catholic Church. Brochure IC102- 25¢

            ¡Soy católico! ¿De verdad? (I’m Catholic! Really?). Basic, but detailed catechism of Catholic teachings. Brochure IC103 – 15¢

          • Julie

            This parish I am in really needs to bone up the pro life ministry…thanks

          • ace

            Read up from this post, just some cheap pamphlets for basic things like an examination of conscience (in Spanish)… Just a suggestion; something to perhaps do or pass on…

          • Julie

            I just contacted my pastor this past week…he is already working on restoring Catholicism to this dissident parish …it is closest to me when moving here and avoiding it like the plague for over 20 years….I told him I don’t think most Catholics are fully Catholic…they have not been fed and person overseeing faith formation dissents from infant baptism…former Lutheran…and before stated no concern for babies aborted…

            I am telling Fr to put the choice for Christ back on the parishioners…ministers nurturing them…beginning solution simple…even children can do…the Morning Offering where every church going Catholic makes a profession of faith to follow Our Lord…with no compromise every day…and another…do we have faith to lay down our lives for Christ and our neighbor…and this came out at Mass this weekend….

            Our culture is so fast paced and filled with worldly concerns. Hard to get to the chapel just to pray…

          • ace

            Wow! You really do have challenges! Anyone who dissents from infant baptism has no business doing catechesis in the Catholic Church! They are not even professing traditional Lutheran beliefs according to their Catechism. Lutherans also believe, like Catholics, that in an emergency, anyone can baptize and, Catholics do not re-baptize former Lutherans when they enter the Catholic Church.

            I think this woman should be confronted and re-catechized and kicked out if she’s unrepentant. It’s a scandal that she is even allowed to continue in Parish Ministry if she doesn’t clearly and publically admit to have been wrong about abortion (and infant baptism & any other heresy). Perhaps we could start re-catechizing her with this portion of the Didache below (I’m using the Protestant, Lightfoot translation). Sadly, there are so many who do not understand that the Church has always preached against abortion and what a great insult this is against Jesus who we receive body, blood, soul, and divinity in the Holy Eucharist. Jesus lays downs His life when he tells us “This is my Body” and a woman instead kills her baby when she insists “This is my Body”.
            Didache portion: “{Thou shalt do no murder, thou shalt not commit adultery,} thou shalt not corrupt boys, thou shalt not commit fornication, {thou shalt not steal,} thou shalt not deal in magic, thou shalt do no sorcery, thou shalt not murder a child by abortion nor kill them when born, {thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s [sic] goods, thou shalt not perjure thyself, thou shalt not bear false witness,} thou shalt not speak evil, thou shalt not cherish a grudge, thou shalt not be double-minded nor double-tongued; for the double tongue is a snare of death. Thy word shall not be false or empty, but fulfilled by action. Thou shalt not be avaricious nor a plunderer nor a hypocrite nor ill-tempered nor proud. Thou shalt not entertain an evil design against thy neighbour. [sic]{Thou shalt not hate} any man, {but some thou shalt reprove,} and for others thou shalt pray, {and others thou shalt love} more than thy life…”

            Familiar with the book Forming Intentional Disciples? http://www.amazon.com/Forming-Intentional-Disciples-Knowing-Following/dp/1612785905 (Many things I like about this book and a few things I don’t, but it could be a start.)

          • Julie

            YES. Yes. yes. I know. I agree. I agree.

            She picked on me before ever really talking to me. And she is a big woman, tough, very assertive…bossy.

            I met a fellow who told me when we got our new bishop before our new pastor…he already contacted the bishop about her and am sure others have told the new pastor their experiences.

            She really emotionally reacts to anything I say, invalidating me and I left feeling like a mother less child.

            And she was the one leading the table at the parish gathering…and exhibited a reactionary attitude towards me…but I was so pleased to hear what Fr said.

            I also told her we need inserts in parish bulletins responding to people’s concerns…not others that come along as they may…because they are not addressing where people are at. I then said why don’t we have our own parish web page…and answer such questions…people not inclined to going to impersonal parish classes.

            I don’t think it went anywhere.

            but at meeting Fr acknowledged me on the new ‘Rebuilt’ book as being there….and I came only at last hour of two day event…

            And yes…she brought us Forming Intentional Disciples..and I had someone from the Nameless Lay Group come in and want to take over my gathering…never heard of such a thing…and this person had contacts with people from back East…and they wanted to hear more about what I was doing than this person from that group…so I was not so keen…read the book however….and I think the Church now is beyond that….it is too groupy and superficial about people finding their charism as such.

            I have a new friend on parish council…and we both are on same page…and I told this to the woman leader of faith formation…that we all needed to be re educated …and also insulted per haps…that I don’t think Catholics today are really and fully converted…meaning her as well….put that in the follow up letter to the pastor.

            So I have done it…I have said it…

            I have read Weddell’s book….but already shared with pastor to do adult catechesis within these small faith communities …but they need Catholicism 101…that first. And then Catholic Mystogogy…many new converts leave after RCIA because of the level of parish faith programs.

            Small faith community….adoration, morning offering, prayer, devotions, living our faith in hostile secular environment…and Blessed Mother on personal level….all this can develop the personal ambient needed at our local parishes.

            And back to web page…Fr was hearing me talk…use the parish web page to catechize, to connect people, people communicate needs for things, work, prayer…food…to help us in days ahead..didn’t say the latter part but this is what I am thinking. So he told us he is working on it…and one site costs $10 month….and you can download books from this new parish web page.

            He said he didn’t fire anyone. He did remove title of parish pastoral associate from her title…and now pastoral assistant for adult faith formation….and select music at liturgy for another ethnic group.’

            I am sure he has heard other complaints….

            Thanks for your acknowledgement and understanding…I am waiting for them….then hopefully can lead small group. Also told Fr to set up with parish council and faith formation people the right materials…Catholic bible study — not sectarian evangelicals…good as they may be…and also most importantly in some ways…parameters and defining the Christian fraternity within small faith groups so they don’t deviate into questionable materials or form cliques but stay in line with all the others.

            I called up this parish years ago…told new pastor…and I asked if they had Marian devotion …’Oh no….we are not quiet…we are a loving parish.’ So told husband we are not going to that parish!…but culture here is rural, small town…insider and outsider you fit in or you don’t. not universal…and heard same from priests and religious serving here…so it is not just me…I was thinking this pm…as I have been openly sharing…I wish I didn’t come here…but am here…then thought of so many in past times who lived in worst places than here…..and this darkness can be as a light.

            Thanks again…you gave me confidence to keep going…such a day for the Lord’s Day…feeling bum…..

          • ace

            OK, we are just talking, brainstorming if you will, and I am so sorry you are going through the ringer where you are. You have some good ideas and I think you should just go with your instincts, provided you are also praying: “Lord foil any of my plans which are not of you”.

            Have you heard of the Families of Nazareth Movement? http://www.familiesofnazareth.us/about-us How about the book “The Gift of Faith” http://www.amazon.com/The-Gift-Faith-Third-Edition/dp/1933314133

            Of course, making the Traditional Novena to the Sacred Heart on behalf of the parish

            I also like “Read the Bible and the Catechism in a Year!” from the Coming Home Network https://store.chnetwork.org/public/store/product/5003 $1.00/each, but I think you can get a group discount for a large quantity and people can just journal their reflections and then share.

            For HS and College and even Adults, I like “The Real Story” from FOCUS http://www.focus.org/therealstory/ Free, but everyone has to order their own copy and pay $5.95 for shipping.

            Also, “A Biblical Walk Through the Mass (Book): Understanding What We Say and Do In The Liturgy” by Sri is excellent http://www.amazon.com/Biblical-Walk-Through-Mass-Book/dp/1935940007/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1445218061&sr=1-1&keywords=Sri

          • Julie

            I have great inroads into the parish council, newly formed. My friend knows of a program that will impact cafeteria or consumerist Catholicism.

            I think your suggestions are quite good. I like the book suggestion by Sri….really want to talk to Fr more…..and most of all pray. I used to pray about 2 hours a day…before I got going….I am not clear yet what to do although the pastor asked me to help him build one aspect of the parish….I think I have said enough and it looks like things are working out and most likely others out there, inc pastor who have same ideas.

            I have to keep praying for the administrative person.

      • DeusLoVult

        “he future of the Church in the USA is with the faithful Spanish-speaking Latin Americans.”

        Hate to burst your bubble, but there aren’t many of those. The “immigrants” are pagans, not Catholics.

        • OrthodoxKGC2015

          Latin American Christianity has been for too many ‘a mile wide but only an inch deep’, with many ‘converted’ Indians and descendants of African slaves simply pulling the ol’ Padre’s leg. Today they are more open with the pagan religions in Latin America like Condomble, Santeria, Brujera Witchcraft, ‘Santa Muerte’ and Voodoo for examples.

          • DeusLoVult

            Exactly. Like many other tribal, or formerly tribal nations, they have married their pagan beliefs to Christian ones, and the b*stard child we see now, is the result.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            The liberal Christians try to condescendingly call it ‘inculturalization’ when it is nothing more than worldly surrender.

          • DeusLoVult

            It can be a dangerous deception….I don’t trust many of the Latin-American countries….these beliefs run rampant in them. So far, they have been rather quiet…..but I think as we move closer to the End, that will change.

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            Russian Christianity can likewise be regarded as ‘a mile wide but an inch deep’. How is it Russia has the highest abortion and divorce rates in the world? I know the Church accepts divorce so it is convenient for Putin to go around with the semi-official ROC and be photographed taking Communion while the populace continues to contracept and abort itself to death!
            I know this is a problem among all the Western peoples, but some are actively trying to do something about it like Catholic Poland that is very Pro-Life and are certainly more Christian and actively fought against the Soviets for their faith compared to some of the others. Please refrain from your constant anti-Catholic rhetoric, do you hear me take a leaf from the rhetoric of Catholic Croats and Greek Catholic Ukrainians? It works both ways…. just saying, in truth and charity. There are always two sides to things and for non-Catholics, not the least people located in one of the most anti-Catholic locations in the world to make a public record of this is very hurtful. Please stop criticizing Latin Americans and everybody who is Catholic as shallow! Have you seen me denigrate the Orthodox? I can do so easily but I have decorum. Try and take a leaf out of another Catholic convert to the EOC because this whole “Old Rome” talk is only going to elicit feelings of annoyance and the need to defend and then turn to criticizing the Orthodox and their Byzantine problems with Communists and post-Communist State-Church politics, not the least what Russia plans to do to the West and the Ukrainian flashpoint. I have always supported Russia but I can now clearly see it’s only one way – much like dialogue with the Muslims? You referred before and glorified Mohammedan Mongols allowing freedom of the Orthodox to practice in contrast to the Swedes and Teutonic Knights. That’s exactly what the Dutch did when they were proclaiming “better Turk than Papist” against their Spanish “occupiers”!
            The more I look at the world and discourse with people, and informed Catholics, I may have been fooled into thinking Russia is not the “savior” that many Christian conservatives are seeking it to be when such belligerent views are holding sway. If there is any credence being given to Elder Paisos’s “prophesies” about Russia invading Europe isn’t this as bad as those Catholics who continue to assert Russia wasn’t Consecrated validly (and there is so much truth in this when you see the errors of Russia have not led to peace in the world, only a false sense that Russia is fighting the “Christian cause” when it has always been really the spread of Russian ethnic chauvinism and not true Christian evangelization.
            Case in point: Moldova, unfairly taken from Romania, both Orthodox (latin-speaking) countries.The ROC wants to maintain control over the Romanian-speaking (yes, not the artificial linguist construct of “Moldavian” and other ridiculous concoctions the Soviets most likely with the ROC concocted to bring all these ethnicities and newly created ethnicites into the ROC, even though the Greeks will never accept ROC leadership and nor should they since Moscow is not one of the Sees of the Pentarchy! That will never change, and no Rome isn’t “Old Rome” and Moscow isn’t the “New Rome”).

            As you say Christ forgive, but I only post this reply as a counter to your positions about the “truthfulness” of the ROC. I like your zeal but others have zeal too and can defend their Church as well.

            I seriously pray all the best for Russia and the Orthodox nations but I am beginning to realize this isn’t reciprocated much like the dialogue with the Muslims. Every time I point to positive developments like the prophetic acceptance of the invitation by the Ecumenical Patriarch in 2013 at the Inauguration of Pope Francis (the first time in over a 1,000 years an Ecumenical Patriarch was present at the Inauguration of the Bishop of Rome and Francis has been bending over backwards in his ecumenism.

            I really admire Pope Francis for ignoring the lobbying of the Ukrainian “Uniates” and many Catholics support the Russian position, including US Catholics who are the most “hawkish” (with good reason I can add) against Russia and the ROC. I feel perhaps you are one of these “hardliners” that are not truly representative of other Orthodox and want nothing less than a “conversion” of Catholics as though we aren’t Christian! And so you denigrate Spanish-speaking Catholics and speak of Latin Americans no differently to Protestants who go on missions to convert them to their sects… much like they do to the Orthodox. So I would examine your conscience about how (un)charitable your views about your “sister” Church — you seem to act and talk like the mutual excommunications or anathemas that were lifted by the Western and Eastern Churches during Vat II never took place, but I’m sure this was because of Freemasons, Communists or the like.

            I honestly mean no harm but only write this as a counter to your persistent anti-Catholic rhetoric.

            God bless Russia and the Vatican, and may the Apostolic churches be one! And may I remind you that while there’s all this focus on Catholic-Eastern Orthodox division, you seem to ignore we are closer doctrinally than the Monophysites many Eastern Orthodox seem to exalt despite the Christological problems there and yet seem to keep being fixated with the Filoque issue! I would also re-read Timothy Ware’s book on Orthodoxy where he does indeed relate the issue of the Filoque as one that has been over-emphasized by the Orthodox for reasons such as continuing the Schism. I love the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox so much but the EO are in existential danger due to abortion and divorce! There are much greater issues to focus on… and I would ignore the Protestant interference and spreading of false witness to Protestants with little understanding about our Apostolic Churches.

          • Nan

            Keep in mind that the rule on divorce in orthodoxy is a more pastoral position, in which a person wanting to remarry talks to the priest and actually can be approved to marry a third time!

            I don’t know Putin’s marital status or his sins but do know that in the Orthodox Church one must confess before receiving communion. I don’t think that rule would change for Putin. I also assume that he would only receive at his home parish as the Orthodox must have a letter from their priest in order to receive communion elsewhere.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            Dear Tony,

            You said quite a bit, and i’ll have to break it down and try to respond fairly;

            “Russian Christianity can likewise be regarded as ‘a mile wide but an
            inch deep’. How is it Russia has the highest abortion and divorce rates
            in the world? I know the Church accepts divorce so it is convenient for
            Putin to go around with the semi-official ROC and be photographed taking
            Communion while the populace continues to contracept and abort itself
            to death!”

            In a sense, Orthodoxy was put to death during the period 1917-1991, so really the rebuilt Russian Orthodoxy is in a way only about 25 years old, and tremendous strides have been made. But much work remains, and misplaced zeal can set things back considerably. The Church is patient in Her Mercy, more than her members sometimes.

            “I know this is a problem among all the Western peoples, but some are
            actively trying to do something about it like Catholic Poland that is
            very Pro-Life and are certainly more Christian and actively fought
            against the Soviets for their faith compared to some of the others.
            Please refrain from your constant anti-Catholic rhetoric, do you hear me
            take a leaf from the rhetoric of Catholic Croats and Greek Catholic
            Ukrainians? It works both ways…. just saying, in truth and charity.”

            In all truth and charity, you do not realize the constant Roman Anti-Orthodoxy in all the ‘Fatima’ rhetoric for example, and much else besides. To you and to many Romanists, there is only a superficial difference between you and the Orthodox, when that is simply untrue from the Orthodox perspective, at all. And yet, this idea is transmitted to the Protestants, and I am constantly getting lumped in with Romanist practices or confused with those who follow the Pope.

            “There are always two sides to things and for non-Catholics, not the
            least people located in one of the most anti-Catholic locations in the
            world to make a public record of this is very hurtful. Please stop
            criticizing Latin Americans and everybody who is Catholic as shallow!”

            I was a Roman Catholic, from the beginning of the more modern meltdown to a few years ago. I have some insight into both the good and the bad, very much so, personally. I speak my mind on these issues, because I earned the damn right to, my body and my soul.

            ” Have you seen me denigrate the Orthodox? I can do so easily but I have
            decorum.”

            As I said, it’s done constantly, without people even realizing they do it. Maybe they’ll care if they do realize it, maybe not.

            “Try and take a leaf out of another Catholic convert to the EOC ”

            I’m my own person with my own unique experiences and perspective, so I neither judge much what other Orthodox do in this matter, and I do not expect to be judged, as i’ve offered only my own experience, what I saw and heard and felt.

            “because
            this whole “Old Rome” talk is only going to elicit feelings of annoyance
            and the need to defend and then turn to criticizing the Orthodox and
            their Byzantine problems with Communists and post-Communist State-Church
            politics, not the least what Russia plans to do to the West and the
            Ukrainian flashpoint. I have always supported Russia but I can now
            clearly see it’s only one way – much like dialogue with the Muslims? ”

            If you don’t see the errors, than how do you think we who reject them will submit?

            “You referred before and glorified Mohammedan Mongols allowing freedom of
            the Orthodox to practice in contrast to the Swedes and Teutonic
            Knights. That’s exactly what the Dutch did when they were proclaiming
            “better Turk than Papist” against their Spanish “occupiers”!”

            I said that Orthodoxy existed at least under Golden Horde occupation. Latin occupation always has threatened to end Orthodoxy.

            “The more I look at the world and discourse with people, and informed
            Catholics, I may have been fooled into thinking Russia is not the
            “savior” that many Christian conservatives are seeking it to be when
            such belligerent views are holding sway. If there is any credence being
            given to Elder Paisos’s “prophesies” about Russia invading Europe isn’t
            this as bad as those Catholics who continue to assert Russia wasn’t
            Consecrated validly (and there is so much truth in this when you see the
            errors of Russia have not led to peace in the world, only a false sense
            that Russia is fighting the “Christian cause” when it has always been
            really the spread of Russian ethnic chauvinism and not true Christian
            evangelization.”

            More doubletalk. You know what Tony? I’m done.

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            No double talk, honestly. You stopped “refuting” when it got interesting and the issue of Soviet constructions of identities (an example of historical revisionism) and the Monophysites came up…….. you know I read far and wide. I have an open mind. Please don’t be so easily offended nor see me as an enemy. You seem to prefer Protestants over Catholics – Catholics NEVER talk about Orthodox as “Protestants:” yet you keep on intimating that the Schism meant the Catholic Church was the “first Protestant church!” When you speak like this, you are holding onto pre-Vat II positions where the mutual excommunications and anathemas were lifted and hold onto extremist positions like those Greek monks who refused to accept John Paul II’s apologies for the Venetian Crusaders against the Byzantines in Constantinople… yet they were excommunicated if not mistaken at the time and it wasn’t the position of the Church. Anyhow, please realize I am not against you and constantly refer to the Apostolic Catholic and Orthodox Church.. in the USA, the Orthodox make up 0.5% according to Gallup 2012 polls and there’s so much ignorance and yet I promote and continue educating people about the Orthodox without any anti-Orthodox rhetoric, nor any discussion about the need to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. I am so to have offended you, there was no intent there at all, but a need to clarify and understand in honesty and charity.
            Please forgive me!

          • Nan

            You know that syncretic religions were created so that slaves could keep their original nature religions while required to be Catholic, right? So it shouldn’t be a surprise that people were raised in the syncretic religions as they superimpose sainits on their nature spirits.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            Is that something to be proud about?

          • Nan

            It’s information you seemed unaware of.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            That’s the last straw. It doesn’t matter, just please kindly do not reply to my posts.

      • Julie

        I am thinking more about this….and yes….agree that many Catholics have in part adopted to our Protestant Christian culture…and we do have good relations with main line Protestants….I don’t think we hear enough about embracing the Cross…I wish we had deeper spirituality to be shared among us….

        • Willing to die for Jesus

          Julie, the main problem though with the main line Protestants is that they truly become so radically liberal, I don’t know how we can continue even having communications. i think the Russian Orthodox threatened any more dialogue with the Anglicans (rightly so) because of the issue of the ordination of women Bishops (let alone priestesses). Sorry this issue is NEVER going to be accepted by the Church that Christ left behind. John Paul II said it was closed and there’s to be no discussion ever about it.

          And then you have the ordination of openly practicing homosexual clergy – lesbians and male homosexuals, as if the Church hadn’t already had problems with this, not to mention it is outrageously unBiblical to be practicing homosexuals and against the Bible and Catechism.

          Cdl Marx and the St Gallen group (plus some of the Americans) can try all they like, the African bishops are not going to accept their attacks on the Sacrament of Marriage, the Synod on the Family now coming up in its 3rd week will be the most important. Wolves are showing themselves. Abp Cupich is truly going against the Church and he has always been problematic, on issues relating to supporting “gay marriage” and allowing practicing homosexuals to receive the Blessed Sacrament (thereby causing these gays to engage in mortal sin and him playing a role in this), and you may have heard he also gave Communion to the Protestant governor of IL !

          This is ALL a result of the Protestantization of the Church, make no mistake about it. The Church needs to return back to being a light to the world and its clergy to be in this world and not of this world. The Smoke of Satan has entered the Church, this started with VAT II, and the world can attack our Church as much as they like but we have Our Lady’s promise that She will be with us until the end protecting Her Church!

          There was a group of notable converts to the Church who sent a petition to the Synod pleading with them not to make any changes to the rules about divorced and remarried Catholics being allowed to partake in the Blessed Sacrament without annulments (even though these are now “easier” to obtain with the new rules relating to annulments in this year of “mercy” proclaimed by Francis). However, this talk of blessing homosexual unions is absolutely outrageous and Satanic! Pope Francis himself called gay “marriage” a Satanic attack on the Family!

          Benedict XVI specifically established the Anglican Ordinariate in 2011 for disaffected Anglicans. They were entering recommunion because they realized their church was going astray without the anchor of St Peter and the last thing they (or the Church) wants is more dissent, dissent and dissent. That’s what the diminishing main line Protestant sects in terminal decline in the West exist for. As a contact said, “I wish we could trade all the orthodox thinking mainline Protestants and we can trade our heretical-thinking Catholics”, and these Catholics who are challenging the Church’s teaching on morality only stay within the Church to subvert it. They know what they are doing. Communists and Freemasons have previously infiltrated the Church, however, the fact that so much energy is done to subvert our Church by these workers of the Enemy on strengthens my Faith that Our Church is Christ’s Church. When does the Enemy go after the Blessed Sacrament and Consecrated Hosts of non-Catholics (and non-Orthodox to an extent, I have read about many sacrileges in the Orthodox lands). Never!

          Why does the media always focus on and disproportionately emphasize every little small on-going in our church! Because they want to see Her fall! Satan has sown so much discord against Christ and Our Lady and we see this every day, people’s hearts (both within the Church and outside the Church) are growing colder and colder. We must make reparations and listen ton Our Lady whose hand guides our Church and not lose sight of Her. “Protestantization” of the Church ALWAYS goes after our Marian devotions! And the Church is still paying for the fruits of Vatican II as most those in positions of power received their training during the tumultuous and disastrous 1960s.

          What in the world is going on?!!

          Our Lady of Fatima pray for your Church, the Pope and all the clergy!

          • Julie

            What the communist infiltrators did to the Church last century was their admittance to make it Protestant from within.

            Yes…just read about the bishop in Chicago….a group consensus type of bishop….we must love the Lord with all our strength, heart soul and…always to work on developing a more refined conscience.

            We now have a great archbishop who consecrated this diocese to the Immaculate Heart of Mary after he was installed…hope and pray he stays…someone told me he was here only for a short time, intentions to move him to higher places back east.

          • Nan

            Don’t forget about the married bishops!

      • Julie

        My family moved to a rural state because of my husband’ work. It is about the most hostile state to religion, and has history of being anti Catholic.

        But I was not prepared for the small town mentality of Catholics…for ‘outsiders’….Catholics considered such even though they are living in the same town for 30 years….one case I heard. A pastor told me this one town, considered one of the most liveable in the USA….was in a parish where he encountered ‘haters’…wicked bunch. My family and I encountered them and because of them…my kids lost their faith…my daughter put an open diary on the corner of a table in the house and she called them haters…and was drawn to evangelical Christians on campus…but was ‘de baptized and rebaptized’…so taken in she invited us to her new baptism. Her mother in law is very anti Catholic down to the superstitious level and blocks me from ever sharing my faith…talks me down, has to pray over me in front of every one…awful. I forgive her….but back out from being as close to the family as before but still love and care for them, especially for my dear son in law.

        I am glad to have this pastor who comes from out of state…and he knows what I know…it is hard living here…

        And yes, I am so offended when the sects go out to make Catholics Christians…and destroy the faith and prayers once shared together when our faith was one…but I pray for my children…especially my daughter….I love her very much and she is very good to me….she no longer believes in rapture, etc….but still doesn’t have faith in the Eucharist….

        I have to stay out of any disputes talking to the sects as it draws on so much hurt. It does no good.

        • Nan

          Catholics are Christians, what is wrong with those people? I can’t imagine sitting still for a protestant to pray over me. I hope you light a candle for her at church, that she will learn Christ’s Truth!

          • Julie

            I was getting ready to leave…my kids out in living room and she had to go in the bedroom and then come out to pray for me………………Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Meyers…and the day before saying she and her Lutheran friend..a former Catholic, visited this Lutheran church and how they were reciting ‘this creed’..and how they don’t know the Lord……I told her not to judge people by appearances and wonder if she has ever gone to Mass.

            For Christmas I am sending them ‘The Lamb’s Supper’ by Dr Scott Hahn and may also throw in, ‘Consuming the Word’…..

            Some of the practices are for me superstitious and told my daughter to watch out…

          • Nan

            Julie, that sounds awful! I prefer to read the Church fathers so haven’t read anything of his but A Father Who Keeps His Promises, which we were given at church. I don’t know who to give it to.

            Can you slip her a Miraculous Medal?

          • Julie

            She covered her face when first in my house. When I came back from missions and first married, an old roommate told my pastor that my house looked like a chapel.

            Really…all I had was the Sacred Heart of Jesus over the fireplace. Oh..and then I have Divine Mercy in my kitchen and a picture of Mary from a statue…just her face how I would imagine her to look like.

            And then I have this large statue Our Lady of Grace, given to me by my grandmother…who received it from my uncle who obtained it in Italy during the War….

            In my new house I put the statue on a small china cabinet next to my dining area and she saw it….so they are into us as knowing little and Mary idolators.

          • Nan

            She’d freak out at my apartment then. Not only do I have two icons of the Theotokos on display, but also an icon of the Trinity (my badly painted version of Rublev’s), multiple icons of both The Holy Face and St. Michael the Archangel but I have small statues, and religious pictures all over the place. I haven’t yet hung my antique Sacred Heart of Jesus framed with the Immaculate Heart of Mary next to it.

            To compound matters, there’s a table in the living room where I paint icons and make rosaries.

          • Julie

            You paint icons?…how wonderful, so did my friend who passed away recently.

            I was caring for a Greek lady who just got out of the hospital….doing nights. A person came in to replace me…and she told me right away she was a Christian. And I said why say that?…and she pointed to all the icons in the house. I said I am RC and we too have pictures of Mary, may be a little different looking but same person and we are all christian.

            I asked where she went to church, and as usual, such never actually name the church but what town it was in.

            You come on here….those most anti….never at same time reveal their association. The woman was nice and accepted my comment. May be because we work for same agency.

      • ace

        If there are Spanish speakers in your congregation (who doesn’t have any?), please consider helping out by buying some “giveaways” for your parish. I share the link, because some do not know where to go for this basic stuff: http://vidahumana.org/teachings-of-the-catholic-church

        These Spanish items are from Human Life International (HLI), a pro-life ministry, and the link tells you what you are buying in English. Prices below do not include shipping. [You have to go to the HLI English site for English Materials] You could, for example, find 1 other person in the parish and each buy $5 worth of each of 3 items, then do one order and split the shipping.)

        Guía práctica para el sacramento de la reconciliación (A Practical Guide for the Sacrament of Reconciliation). Wallet size. IC101 – 20¢

        Esto es lo que creemos (This We Believe). Basic teachings of the Catholic Church. Brochure IC102- 25¢

        ¡Soy católico! ¿De verdad? (I’m Catholic! Really?). Basic, but detailed catechism of Catholic teachings. Brochure IC103 – 15¢

        • Willing to die for Jesus

          Thanks ace for the link. You’re right about which congregation doesn’t have Spanish speakers. I’m blessed to have some very devout Peruvian Catholics as longtime family friends… very devout Spanish speaking Catholics who miraculously gave birth to their twin children after trying for much time to have a second child for their daughter and instead ended up being blessed with twin girls and sisters for their eldest daughter.

          God bless you for the link. Before I went to university in 2002 I wanted to learn a second language and was close to enroling in a community college to learn Spanish (or Arabic one of the two)… Spanish because I know it’s great to know for serious Catholics including those like me wanting to be involved in more global ministry, and Arabic is a good language to know with this Islamic threat and I’ve got some Maronite Lebanese Catholic women friends who go to our parish and pray the Rosary and I am so inspired by the devotion to Our Lady among these humble servants of Christ and His Mother…. the English speaking Catholics can certainly take a leaf out of the ethnic parishes.

          • ace

            Your welcome. I was wondering myself how hard it would be to learn Arabic. Maybe with the intercession of St. Sharbel (Charbel)? Spanish is also an excellent choice. For language help, consider praying for the intercession of St. Vincent Ferrer : https://olrl.org/lives/ferrer.shtml

            “…The saint was honored with the gift of tongues. Preaching in his own, he was understood by men of different languages, which is affirmed by Lanzano, who says that Greeks, Germans, Sardes, Hungarians, and people of other nations declared they understood every word he spoke, though he preached in Latin or his mother tongue, as spoken at Valencia. There is another marvelous fact which is beyond normal explanation. However far away people might be, everyone heard every syllable. He could make himself heard literally about three miles away, when it was of importance that he should be heard. He also worked many wonders through the Sign of the Cross and through the Holy Name of Jesus. He warned lazy Christians who sloppily made a circular sign of the Cross that they were using a sign of the Devil instead!

            The Moorish king had heard of him; the multitude of his miracles was startling, and for a good Moslem, upsetting. He could not get Vincent out of his head. Finally he decided he must see the man who worked the miracles. He sent for him. The saint arrived lame from a great sore in the leg and rode on his moth-eaten old donkey through all the splendors of the Alhambra grounds under the fixed stare of the marble lions. The King wanted to hear him preach. That in itself was a revolution. They murmured, they listened, and doubtless they understood though he spoke no Arabic. For, after three sermons, eight thousand Moors asked for baptism…”

  • DeusLoVult

    Typical injudicious leanings of the modern Churches. Or perhaps, I should say, spoiled Churches of Western society.

    • Julie

      Yes…spoiled…we have it too good, like a PC club…my parish is addressing this…we have excellent new pastor…who grew up in Detroit ghetto….white, short and chubby…on fire for the faith.

      He said we have been of the ‘consumerist church’. Wants to break it.

      • DeusLoVult

        It is easy to push for the acceptance of invaders, when you have never had to deal with them before. They simply wish to appease the left-wing, my lady, the tyrants in office. They will fold when the situation gets nasty, and righteous, true leaders will replace them.

        • Julie

          Yes…and also read post to me that once they get their hoped for oil pipe line set up, then they will dump the refugees…so far 2.5 million set up for deporting…but I think the refugees will turn the tables on them…it will happen real fast.

          A dear friend of mine from high school, a way long time ago, is German and says we pray for their leaders’ wisdom. And I emailed back saying people there are not to talk about the negative…and she responded that she loved me and my family so much….so I think she is trying not to say anything…worry about her and her family…..

          • DeusLoVult

            I’m praying for different leaders, my lady. The ones we have now, are foul, and there is not wisdom to be found among hearts of evil.

          • Julie

            Yes…we must!

          • Nan

            I hop you mean leaders who believe Christ’s teaching? Because different leaders could mean anything.

          • DeusLoVult

            Obviously……

        • Julie

          Right on.

  • This Little Piggy

    Perhaps these Bishops should do a comparative studying of the meaning of the name Lord & Jesus in Hebrew, with that of these “so-called” refugees prophet, Mohammed.

    https://youtu.be/WXgnOX9RhqQ

    The Bible never ceases to amaze me.

  • jim gazay

    I totally agree with “operation whip”, this is a problem in all of society and institutions, the clergy seem to garner more attention for obvious reasons. Why is this such a problem in the Catholic Church! We have had some cases of this in the Orthodox Church in America, but thank God it is exceedingly rare. What is it about the Catholic Church that attracts homosexuals to enter the clergy or religious orders? I have never understood why they are not screened or vetted. When I was seeking a monastery to enter, it was very Strict there was a lot of testing, if the abott and brotherhood accepted you, you were called an “observer”( pashslushnik). During the time upon acceptance you were tested on obedience, chastity, stability and poverty. This would go on for an interim ate amount of time depending on the monastic tradition of the monastery. Then after you had been thoroughly tested you would then be blessed to be a novice. Then after much Time at least 3 years maybe more you would be tonsured a monk. My point is the Catholic Church should thoroughly test the canidates for clergy or religious life vocations and maybe that would deter most of these bad seeds from causing scandals to the church.

    • Julie

      They let go of the ancient practice of spiritual discernment.

      But I know now that they have so many checks in place. One priest said before ordination, ‘Well, they won’t be watching me so much now…’ Very good priest…Mexican missionary to the Anglo American Catholics.

      • jim gazay

        What do you mean by “discernment”?

        • Julie

          They had old priests who had discernment for vocations. Interview, pray and ask questions…now it is very complex in seminaries…

  • Delta Rain

    Well done, Theodore. Very well done.

  • Smith

    Well, love of money is the root of all evil. Anyone who is 501C3 Incorporated has a good potential although not absolutely certaint, of becoming corrupted

  • Smith

    Here’s an idea: let’s take a hundred thousand refugees, and put them in every Catholic Church where these so called “priests” give their sermons.

    Also, while they’re at it, let’s put every refugee in Europe from Syria into Vatican City 🙂 let’s see how long the diocese wants to keep them there before they want to boot them out

    • Nan

      Since you put priests in quotes I ignore any of your suggestions.

  • Diana

    LOL The Vatican accepted one Catholic family from Pakistan (who aren’t even Middle Eastern) and think they’ve done their part.

  • DeusLoVult

    Is that a joke?

    • ace

      This one with the Hussars and the words

      • DeusLoVult

        I couldn’t tell if he was mocking me. Thanks. 🙂

  • DeusLoVult

    Let’s pray he’s the right man for the job.

  • Stephen Dalton

    These idiot bishops should take in a Muslim family into their own living quarters! I’ll bet in a month’s time they will be all for deporting every Muzzie in the USA!

  • jim gazay

    Wow, Hans… , that is a very unique insight, somehow I don’t. Think it’s that simple.

  • This Little Piggy

    Dear Brothers & Sisters in Christian here is some encouragement for God’s children. No matter if all the churches turn away we know Jesus is faithful & there will be “countless thousands, plus thousands of thousands” of souls with Him. Below are some videos of a child prodigy painter that had visions of heaven & Jesus. She painted such a life like painting of Jesus & with computer analysis of the Shround of Turin it appears that painting is an unbelievable likeness of the face of Jesus.

    Revelation 5: 8 – 14

    8When He had taken the book, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9And they sang a new song, saying,
    “Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation.
    10“You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign upon the earth.”
    Angels Exalt the Lamb

    11Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne and the living creatures and the elders; and the number of them was myriads of myriads, and thousands of thousands, 12saying with a loud voice
    “Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing.”
    13And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, “To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever.”

    14And the four living creatures kept saying, “Amen.” And the elders fell down and worshiped.
    https://youtu.be/zsLnw1rRQi4
    https://youtu.be/EvcLC13ZXfc

    • susan

      Thank you for the links. So very beautiful. 🙂

  • susan

    So it’s all Mary’s fault? It seems as though satan attempted to destroy the Eastern Orthodox Church through communism and the Catholic Church via liberalism.

    • Good point.

      • Nan

        You really do hate the Catholic Church. I have twice posted a reference to the Book of Luke regarding the Blessed Virgin Mary and it has twice disappeared.

        • DeusLoVult

          lol If you had read just about any other article on this website, you would never have made that statement.

  • This Little Piggy
  • susan

    Orkin. That’s a good one!!! 🙂

  • OrthodoxKGC2015

    You always come up with the same historically illiterate crappola man, Islam was founded in the 600’s AD, and the Popes of Old Rome FOUGHT the Mohammadans when they learned of them.

  • OrthodoxKGC2015

    No, not really. Celibacy is great and good and holy, Our Lord and St. Paul for example were Celibate, while St. Peter and some of the other apostles were not. But, those who are naturally fitted for Celibacy, who by grace can become ‘Eunuchs for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven’, lacking grace can ‘fall from their first estate’ and become abominable sinners of a certain kind. It is not just an excessive Marianism or an infantilizing Authoritarianism; it is people lacking the Spirit of God in their lives.

    • DeusLoVult

      Some of the Apostles married? Didn’t know that.

      • OrthodoxKGC2015

        Sure, Christ healed st. Peter’s mother-in-law of illness and she got up and waited on her guests in St. Peter’s house, in the Gospel. St. Peter’s daughter followed him everywhere he went, and died a Martyr too in Rome.

        • DeusLoVult

          Hmm…..it’s been a while….so where do we get the Catholic requirement for celibate priests, if some of the Apostles married?

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            Shortly before the Roman Schism of 1054 AD, the Western Church forced the Clergy to put aside their ‘concubines’ (those who had wives, to be sure) and become Celibate mandatorily, as a ‘reform’ of the ‘corrupt’ Patriarchal church of Rome. It was one of a number of complaints registered against Rome by the One Catholic and Orthodox church that the Western Orthodox Church was falling, getting weird. As i’ve said, Celibacy is awesome, great, but not everybody who can be a Priest of God is fit by God to receive it. To make it mandatory attracts abnormal and deeply hurting people, more abnormal and hurting sometimes than the other sinners they are sent by God to help.

          • DeusLoVult

            I thought it was always part of the Church….I guess I REALLY need to read Church history…..so, how did they justify this action?

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            The way innovators always do-calling for a usually needed ‘reform’ but then veering into error and revolution. The Western Church in those days was particularly ignorant and semi-literate, with a low level of understanding and of morality among clergy and laity alike. The growth of feudalism, necessary as most of it was for Western Europe’s economic survival (being cut off by Islam from the trade routes), gave the main Clerical positions to fellow sons of the feudal aristocracy.

            Anyway, it was believed that Celibacy of all Clergy and Religious would root out the more worldly-minded and immoral people….

          • DeusLoVult

            That doesn’t really make any sense. I had heard (although it might be a load of crap) that the reason was so the Church inherited the property of the Priest. Any truth to that?

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            No, it really doesn’t make sense on the surface, so the real reasons must be along the lines of creating an ultra-hierarchical monarchial church, with clergy and religious with ties only to those above and below them in rank, a type of army, mutually interdependent on each other absolutely.

            In other words, the Western church began to mirror the feudal relationships, duties and obligations, which existed at the time ideally between all the types of armed men in western feudal society, with a village priest like a Knight, Bishops like Barons and Dukes, and the Pope of Rome like a King.

          • DeusLoVult

            (sighs) I guess the Church was quite flawed, even then.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            Churches may fall away, in various localities, but the Church Herself is resplendent and all-holy and the pure spotless Bride of Christ. Hidden from the world, in deep Silence, there are those who put the World to death within themselves, combat the Devil and the Disordered Passions, of whom the world is not worthy. These persons pray for us, and God is merciful and loves Mankind.

            I am fond of saying that, but it’s because I have experienced it and it’s become part of my life, my being.

            And what was once can be so again, working with God’s Grace in Synergy. The West shall rise up again, and the East, and many souls will come to know the Right Belief of Jesus Christ.

            Listen to these Bells, you might hear what I’m saying better than seeing;

            In Christ a Sinner,

            OA

          • DeusLoVult

            Well, I think the modern Churches are more like this helicopter pilot…..right when he realizes he’s made a mistake….but it’s already too late to fix it…..by natural means.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            ‘Natural means’, you said.

          • DeusLoVult

            Yes…..

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            Good thing God is in charge, I trust in His Goodness, I didn’t always. I am retiring for the evening, pray for me as I pray for you.

            God Bless,

            OA

          • DeusLoVult

            I must retire from the field as well. 🙂 Good night and God bless you. Know that you are in my prayers.

          • Julie

            I know what you mean, same here.

          • Grandmere

            For once, we get to enjoy the popcorn.

          • DeusLoVult

            It grows stale rather quickly, my lady, and bitter to the tongue.

          • Nan

            Which totally explains why Orthodox priests dress in the manner of Byzantine royalty. Including the Miter worn by Bishops and some Russian Orthodox priests which is modeled on the Byzantine Crown.

          • DeusLoVult

            Hate Orthodox, eh? They might very well be more Catholic than the modern Catholic Church.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            That’s my position, the real ‘Roman Catholic Church’.

          • Nan

            Yeah because the patriarch would love to hear that.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            A right believing Patriarch would. But what happens when a Pope is a heretic is quite the theological conundrum within the Roman Church.

          • Nan

            If you’re an Orthodox Christian, I meant YOUR patriarch would not appreciate you renaming your church. The Pope is not a heretic.

          • Julie

            A heretic?????????

          • DeusLoVult

            Perhaps….Honorius I, my lady…..

          • Julie

            There was a man with two masters degree who was on EWTN..and how he became Catholic…long story….I cannot remember the details…it was about Honorius….he found out about some cleric who spoke Greek?….a foreign language….and this inquirer went to him and the cleric opened a document….this is all fuzzy so I cannot say all this is totally right….but he found out that Honorius was correct in stating Christ had 2 wills but only followed the Heavenly Father’s will. A teaching moment.

            I spoke to the Theologian Regent at our local seminary after finishing the foundation of the papacy….and he told me the bad popes…Borgias and Medicis….never taught anything…Holy Spirit prevented them…so I cannot recall a pope ever teaching heresy….it is against canon law and all a pope can do is draw on the full deposit of faith defined by the apostles, their successors, early church Fathers…….so I would have to study more about this Pope….how i have been taught…

          • DeusLoVult

            Honorius I was condemned as a heretic, my lady.

          • Julie

            I will check that out….strange.

          • DeusLoVult

            Disproves Papal infallibility, if you ask me, my lady. The argument against that is, his letters were not ex cathedra, but I don’t think it really matters.

          • Julie

            Ha…one of my courses was indeed on papal infallibility And as some have pointed out here….some times pope would leave, other times pa triarchs … living organism, the Church is…full of people.

            Papal infallibility…is a dogma of faith…first one. Didn’t come around until 1856 or so… before that there was no dogma a pope was infallible.

            What it is is let’s say…the pope looks on the faith of the people…on a point of faith and practice…but is not clearly stated in Scripture…so the pope consults with all the bishops and if they agree with him…then he can make a dogma of faith. If the bishops disagree…then he cannot make an infallible statement.

            So the pope was looking at the practice of the faithful for 2000 years and they always saw Mary as perpetual virgin without sin. So he consulted with the bishops and they concurred…so then he made the second dogma: The Immaculate Conception.

            The third dogma of faith was done by Pope Pius XII in the early 1950’s…Mary assumed into heaven..wages of sin is death but Mary did not sin…we cannot say how she entered heaven…but we can assume…note the word, assume….that she was gloriously taken into heaven..whether she died or went to sleep or what, no one knows…it is mystery.

            So there are only 3 dogmas.

            And the papal infallibility also places the pope and bishops in the position as servants…not dictators.

            Note that your local bishop…has the same power as the pope..over his diocese. We follow the pope and communion of bishops…the presence of the Lord manifests himself as communion…where we all feel connected with one another..the Lord and His life shared with all of us.

            And we can always pick up when a pope or bishop is getting a little off….we pray…but stay with them….The Shepherd knows His flock and His flock knows Him…and so if any of the ecclesiastics deviate from the Good Shepherd…we stay with Him and are nurtured by Him and do not break relationships…but pray and do penance.

          • DeusLoVult

            These constant nonsensical additions are what I find myself disliking about the modern Catholic Church, my lady. You see, it’s kind of like our government…..started out great….then they kept adding and adding legislation…..about stuff they had no right nor reason to control…..and now it’s a mess.

          • Julie

            Well…think about how some think we believe in goofy things about Mary and her virginity and how it actually took 1800 years…St. Thomas Aquinas did not believe in the Immaculate Conception…but if he had the scientific background…and how the unborn child has his own DNA…Thomas would have believed this dogma.

          • DeusLoVult

            See, my lady, they shouldn’t use science to add dogma….it’s not necessary. God wouldn’t have given us His perfect Word, only for us to have to wait 2000 years to be able to understand it in full.

          • Julie

            Not sure what you mean here…well I heard this on radio…..some woman named Marie… I knew a Marie who was very upset St. Thomas Aquinas did not see Mary as Immaculate Conception..but others in those days did…the priest answered her saying that in the format Thomas used to develop his theology caused him to arrive at such a position but of course he had great devotion to Christ’s Mother.

            But the priest said that in regards to Aquinas’ format…if he knew about modern biology as we are beginning to know now in the past 20 years or so regarding DNA and so on…Thomas would have arrived at the same conclusion…but it doesn’t mean if a dogma would have been declared then and you have to see where the papacy was in those days…

            Science can never prove anything of God because God is outside of science.

            I began to understand mysteries of Mary after I studied St. Catherine’s ‘Dialogues’ and the study of ascetism….achieving holiness through one ness with God…the unitive way…

          • DeusLoVult

            Can’t you see, my lady? God gave us His Word 2000 years ago….why would He make it so that we would have to wait until we developed advanced technology to interpret it properly? St. Thomas’ approach used reason, not science.

          • Julie

            Science merely proves authentic theology.

          • susan

            God cannot be contained and He is in everything.

          • Julie

            Yes…He is outside time and space…and loves us so much….hard to understand it against this world.

          • susan

            It is hard to remain here in this world. Thank you Julie. I enjoy reading your comments when i can find them. We have lots of problem members in our Church right now. We have a woman heading the Newcomers class that shouldn’t even be a member. Much less lead. She didn’t know what the tabernacle was called and this was the first day. My sentiment is if you don’t want to be Catholic then go to another church. But no, they insist on bringing the outside world into the Catholic teachings. sigh. Please pray for us.

          • Julie

            Yes, to me that is the great great problem of having lay participation in the Church is that many times in the past the spirit of the world and egoism and party spirit and parish strive were brought in.

            and if it is all pleasant, then it is politically correct so you better go along with the program….like social justice and the oblivious response when you say you are concerned about 18 trillion in debt and borders not protected and very bad people coming in as well….no connection. And then you get sense to be quiet.

            I have to pray and pray….as I am caring alot for family members….3 adults…and now 2 year old grandson who is needing to be nurtured back into good health after being in a day care with 5 other little ones in a room with some outing outside….I was pretty upset about it and he got sick alot. Now he is so happy back with us and he can play with kids outside at playground for now.

            Pastor is encouraging people all the time to go to confession and go to sacramental prayer…and for me it is being so so busy when I am not doing anything I want to crash. I have to go through 12 red lights to go down the hill 3 miles.

            We keep working on things and pray and let the Holy Spirit lead you to say the right thing to the right person….usually the pastor. You can share in confession as well. simple and to the point.

          • susan

            That’s the main problem..we have difficulty communicating with our Priest. And of course all the above you mentioned. Our stop lights are straight up the mountainside 😉

          • Julie

            Pray for him…and for an encounter with him…..all you can do…and yours sounds like a very steep place!….climb the mountain of the Lord…..!

          • Julie

            And thanks for the acknowledgment, and your spirit comes through.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            DLV, I hope you have a good night, I’m retiring for the evening, i’m exhausted. But God renews me and raises me up in the morning in spite of my sloth and heedlessness, and does not destroy me in my transgressions, but is my Divine Physician.

            Christ and His Church are about Love and not Power, because our ‘power’ and ‘intellect’ isn’t very powerful at all, while with God’s Love the whole world is renewed and re-created.

            God Bless,

            OA

          • DeusLoVult

            I was already in bed. I pray you slept well. Yes, we are nothing without God. A mere man has no power on his own….as God gives even evil leaders their authority. God bless.

          • Julie

            Dogma…we have only 3…to affirm our ancient belief and practice of honoring the Blessed Virgin…we are not idolators…although this latter position is something held on to by non denominational American Protestants.

            And infallibility does not cover area of failure to teach.

          • Julie

            Catholics have always held such beliefs….but as the apostles dictated long ago…’write it down!’….saw your post from last night…look at the dissension towards Mary by non catholics….very hurtful and wrong to us….

          • Julie

            Not to me…makes sense to me.

          • Julie

            Well….if you saw governing the Church in past times…all the concepts coming out…the Church called to defend and protect our faith…the source of our common unity…with the Eastern Patriarchs…they did not have the communication as today.

            I always accepted our Church’s teaching on Mary. But never came to her until I was a young woman and then when it happened it was incredible and so helpful to my Christian faith.

            And we see so many neglects and blasphemies directed towards her…so dogmas have their place.

          • Julie

            No it doesn’t at all…that is Protestant Webster’s claim..came across him last night. And as usual with their anti Catholic, anti pope stance they are unable to properly grasp the issues and history and lawful authority.

            “Papal infallibility does not mean the bishops of Rome will be holy, wise or as vigilant as they should be in the discharge of their office. While Honorius’s foresights, as well as his vigilance to his pastoral responsibilities, might be faulted, these are not objects of papal infallibility. Neither is a failure to teach — the doctrine of infallibility applies only to what is taught. Consequently, the case of Honorius provides no proof against this Catholic dogma. On the contrary, the history of monothelitism and the Sixth Ecumenical Councils provides striking evidence of the early Church’s acceptance of the primacy and infallible magisterium of the apostolic see.”…Steven O’Reilly.

            Source is from CatholicCulture.org..”Guilty of Failure to Teach”.

            The program I saw on EWTN…the fellow working on two masters in a Protestant seminary…became Catholic because of the case of Honorius. The article condenses the whole issue of Honorius…and the Church consistently opposed monothelitism..always…

            Our Lord said…I come to do the will of the Father…only those who enter heaven are those who do the will of the Father….Let your will be done not mine…The Lord’s human nature had one will and His divine will the other…but the divine will of the Father was what the Lord followed….as one operation. The article states the Orthodox view this as the Lord having two wills and two operations.

            It got down to expression….same with Immaculate Conception…the statement of dogma the Orthodox don’t accept but they do see Mary every virgin and above all women.

            There are rites within Orthodoxy…and i don’t know if rite is the correct word…where someone can marry up to 3 times and another…practice contraception.

            And JPII went to Greece years ago to ask forgiveness for what the Norman rogue crusaders did to Constantinople…and they refused to forgive. I just found out last year…the Byzantines killed many thousands of Latin Christians who were living there and very successful causing resentment among the natives…before the Normans sacking….and we don’t even dwell on any of it…never knew of it…

            If you look at the history of the decision declaring Honorius a heretic, which he was not ….it wasn’t well researched by all involved, more emotional and reactionary…and his two letters mostly burned so no one can even make a decision.

            The pope following him defended him. Again…we are Church, we don’t revolve around one person…there are councils and all sorts of safeguards set up.

            But thanks…you have given me an opportunity to understand more deeply infallibility…and this author further defined it.

            Also note….that after the 3 dogmas…there is nothing to define…that on Christ defined at Council of Nicea in the 300’s.

            Today the popes speak to us in encyclicals…and to make this confusing…not all bear the same weight. And you can follow your conscience and take what you want and leave the rest. Only the bishop will then instruct us if the encyclical is binding as was Humanae Vitae.

          • Julie

            I sent you another post above….he was guilty of not clearly teaching. His position was correct on Christ but it was his silence to a theologian as he thought the whole thing was minutae…

          • DeusLoVult

            My lady, what’s the difference? He was still condemned as a heretic.

          • Julie

            No he was not promoting heresy…but not clearly teaching. Church always condemned that heresy…he too.

          • DeusLoVult

            My lady, “the Acts of the Thirteenth Session of the Council state, “And with these we define that there shall be expelled from the holy Church of God and anathematized Honorius who was some time Pope of Old Rome, because of what we found written by him to [Patriarch] Sergius, that in all respects he followed his view and confirmed his impious doctrines.” The Sixteenth Session adds: “To Theodore of Pharan, the heretic, anathema! To Sergius, the heretic, anathema! To Cyrus, the heretic, anathema! To Honorius, the heretic, anathema! To Pyrrhus, the heretic, anathema!”

          • Julie

            Yes….read all last night….you are only seeing those councils prior to the Council of Constantinople as well as not recognizing the successive pope’s statement on Honorius as well as subsequent popes being ordered by eastern churches to follow suit in declaring Honorius as such…..what he did was simply silence the anathema and not support it. Latin Church always opposed that heresy. For the sake of unity, he should have made clear teaching on it but did not. He was not supporting such…and stood by Latin stand that we see Christ’s nature both human and divine as one operation and not as two natures and two wills disconnected.

            I gave quotes earlier from Christ Himself not following His human will but always submitting to the will of the Father…so in this there is obvious He has two wills but one operative….

            The closing remarks of the link I gave you provided further what was not defined in papal infallibility.

            Protestants use this case to ‘prove’ no papal infallibility….and as I shared at beginning this was what the master’s student held until he began to be drawn to the Church and found a scholar who showed him Honorius’ actual position…and in that, he became Catholic.

          • DeusLoVult

            Well, I’m sorry for missing the link, my lady, but you posted so many responses to my comment, I was having trouble keeping track of which ones I’d read. Anyway, I was looking at this matter from the Catholic opposition perspective….not Protestant. Popes didn’t become infallible on certain issues until what year now? 1870, I think? And, amid Pius IX’s crumbling authority and rapid loss of the Papal States. You don’t find it to be the least bit…..suspicious?

          • Julie

            That is OK…..it is very complicated reading through them and the following popes had to follow suit with the councils…and letters were mostly burned so they could not be further analyzed.

            Heresy is heavy stuff and splits us apart….I learned from this more in depth about areas not covered….but governing is most complicated because you are dealing with such huge regions of Christians and all the work that goes into minute detail. So we depend on the local bishop.

            But I came from a diocese where we never got anything much about what John Paul II was teaching…and no internet like we do now.

            When I moved to another diocese, I heard church bells on this new Catholic radio and it was so wonderful hearing the pope speak in my house…

            Right now the main issue of the day is the synod now happening at the Vatican and we are to pray the rosary daily….at request of my bishop. Worried about watering down of Church disciplines on marriage and gender issues …others as well….Church is human institution, not cut and dried.

            I am still learning about church governing and its history, doctrines, all sorts of things as well as the better part….like the lives of the saints and going to Mass.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            Much Scholastic Theology including from Robert Bellermine among others, dealt with the possibility of a heretic Pope, from the 1500’s on this was an issue among Counter-Reformation minds.

            But all that and much else has been forgotten.

          • Julie

            Stick with the Mass, confession, the catechism and prayer and living out the gospel….

            I am in the Church Universal although I live in Latin Land.

            I enjoy the Latin, Orthodox, Hebrew Catholics…I am one with them although they may not with me.

          • Grandmere

            This very sad to see. I hope they can work something out.

          • Julie

            People will continue as they are. So much happening in the world…Islam destroying their own countries because of conflicts…and now back home, big mud slide hitting S outhern California…saw pictures…and they are expecting this most powerful rain season coming…may be worst ever.

            God is talking. He will be the One to get people to turn to Him, not the Church…people so far gone….our moral culture gone….our way of life gone, so many coming in who will vote Democrat and we will become a third world country…many good people but come from totally different economies and it takes generations to learn to live in our economy to maintain it.

            P Francis spoke in his first encyclical…with P Benedict…about the City of God…want to get hold of it to see how I can learn and apply it….

            Thanks!

          • Grandmere

            LOL. I was talking about Nan and Orthodox KGC working out their differences so they can live in peace!

          • Julie

            Yes….but deflecting…I am trying not to get into them too much…as the Lord is coming to chastise…that really gets people’s brains cleared out and reconciled.

            I did say thanks at end…referring to your great intention!

          • Julie

            I avoid Orthodox debates…awful on Catholic Answers Forum and a friend told me the ones most bull headed were anti Catholic coming from Protestant sects…former Catholics have their convictions….but for me I have my own convictions regarding the Latin Church….but I know where to keep my focus. And I remain in the Church Universal…no divisions…

          • Grandmere

            You are a very wise lady.

          • Julie

            Old lady.

          • Willing to die for Jesus

            He sees Catholics as though the mutual excommunications or Anathemas have not been lifted between the Latin and Orthodox Churches (the pre-Vatican 2 Council position held by some of the Orthodox minority sects like Greek Old Caldendarists and Old Believers)… sees us as heretics and the “original Protestants”… the type in Greece who refused John Paul II’s apology and was so hurt despite the genuine plea and wanting to commence ReCommunion.. You are right that many of the lower ranking clergy and laity continue the Schism. The Russian Church being most resistant and some of the others like the Romanian Church which is uniquely Latin-speaking, being more open to ReCommunion…. I continue to pray for the ReCommunion and for the outside non-Catholic/Orthodox, especially meddling Protestant interference to be foiled so that the Apostolic Churches can be one. Did you not read my posts above? It’s quite offensive if you can’t read between the lines…. but I forgive! And I realize some people have particular experiences in life that shape them to view reality and ‘truth’ in a particular lens, for example, being able to accept the Sacrament of Marriage as not allowing for divorce as the Orthodox allow… but which the Latin Church doesn’t so simply allow and we’re now having this problem with the German Church and shadow councils… they have been drawing on Orthodox views of Marriage… allowing the Sacrament to divorcees and the re-married without valid annulments….

          • Julie

            Well I heard this from two sources where I live that it is the lower rungs keeping the schism– as well as the nationalistic Russian Orthodox. Read their beginning movements after their conversion was to make Russia their Rome.

            Putin is taking on the elements in Syria…and has asked our cooperation….just this am on Fareed Zakaria…pointed out the USA trying to change countries to work for democracy…and all ending in disaster…no sense of history, over inflated sense of democracy…we now immoral majority and recent immigrants having the power over America. We removed Saddam Hussein, Libya’s dictator, Cuba, Kosovo, all ending in disasters. Russian Orthodox Church totally behind Putin. I am as well…

            I also read that in some, one can be remarried 3 times in a particular Orthodox rite but don’t know which. Or the use of contraception.

            Heard a bishop speak last night…that they are going to teach Theology of the Body with Natural Family Planning starting in High School in his diocese.

            Yes…about JPII going to Greece to ask for forgiveness for the Norman rogue crusaders…who now define who the Crusaders were…refused to forgive. That is not Christian. That is nationalism…and look at Greece….

            I have to let God be God now. Too much wrong with the world…seeing so much destruction of Syria, Iraq, …really am seeing the Sunni Muslims of Saudi Arabia as the worst…Wahhabis…so much trouble coming to the earth.

          • Nan

            Comment was meant to be in response to Orthodox KGBs comment about western ecclesial garb which he sneers at due to its mimicry of royalty. I assume he’s a convert.

          • Grandmere

            Julie L and I joke about having cast iron skillets, but she has never swung hers at me nor have I swung mine at her. We save our ammo for the nut jobs. This whole thing is outta control. Now the argument is about vestments? Really?

          • DeusLoVult

            It’s always out of control, my lady. There is never beneficial discourse, only malicious arguing

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            If you look at the old frescos of the late Roman Empire, West and East, Clergy wore clothing appropriate for people expecting to be listened to, which at that time were like the clothes of civil servants. Not imposing dress expecting to be feared and obeyed. It’s not the dress so much, it’s the mental frame of mind and attitude, and external reality reflects inner realities in most cases.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            And a smaller cavil; ‘Byzantine’ is a phrase promulgated more in the 18th century in the West, to obscure the fact that the Roman Empire in the East fell only in 1453 AD, the Roman Empire…. And when the Empire falls, the Fathers say, Antichrist’s Empire has come.

          • Nan

            That’s actually a load of crap. In Scripture, Jesus Himself said it’s better or priests to remain unmarried.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            Proof?

          • Nan

            Read scripture.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            Now you’re just trolling.

          • mspip

            better does not mean necessary

          • Nan

            But it’s a discipline in the Catholic Church. One thing that people don’t factor in is that Catholic parishes have Mass at least once a day, most have benediction at least once a week and have confession 6 days a week. Because the Catholic Church is a top down organization, the priest is in charge of most things, unlike protestant or orthodox churches where he’s an employee. Makes a huge difference in the amount of time he’d have available for a family. Also, many Orthodox and Eastern Catholic priests at small parishes have jobs, as do many protestant ministers. I mean outside paying jobs.

          • Julie

            Interesting…but I do know the Latin rite has a more rigorous demand that those of married priests.

            And as I said before, Latins are not wanting to fork out money for the family…sounds awful but true…because we are used to having clerics provide the Lord for us 24/7.

            I have worked closely with priests. They work themselves to the bone, and then come home and want to be alone…and just crash. So many are happy with their vocation and likewise see themselves unworthy.

            And we never look at married Orthodox as inferior…just different culture, both equal.

          • Nan

            In the Latin Rite, Father is the decision-maker. Parish council’s are advisory boards. My friend was at a country parish for 4 years, during which he learned that there was radon in the small school. He had an addition designed and built which included school rooms, new offices, an adoration chapel and a gathering space as all they had was the church basement. It was a $2mil project and he had paid for all but $200k when he was moved to another parish.

            My Orthodox priest friend has a wife and child and was his son’s caretaker when he was small. He’s at the liturgy on Sunday, has office hours a few days a week, and when the Byzantine Rite priest down the street called him to help carry a body in for a funeral, he wasn’t too busy to come help, nor did he have anything so pressing on his schedule that he couldn’t cancel it and stay for my mom’s funeral.

            Funeral was on Wed because the priest, not busy enough with liturgy on Sunday and perhaps on a weekday evening, has overcommitted himself. He has a wife and cat and a job at the university as well as committing himself to the joint archives of the two churches (his church and the orthodox church referenced above) and a few other things. There was another funeral on Sat, and the following Sat they had a retreat as it was the day before Palm Sunday. We had to take the day that worked best for him.

            My priest friend is at a different parish now, with a school, two churches and a need for a social hall. I went to Mass at the time he told me to, then we went out for lunch afterwards; I saw the house that’s the parish offices and he says it’s just unworkable so no idea if they do a remodel or build something next to it and tear it down or what.

            The funny thing about priests is that it was never their idea in contrast with the women who think they should be priests.

          • Nan

            Actually, the Church was never called the One Catholic and Orthodox Church. The Orthodox, claiming to be the true church, changed their name but thanks for playing.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            “Oh, how the Christians are known by their love for one another!” Marveled the Roman Pagans of old….

            Salvation is serious business, not a game. I’m not playing, but I want people to understand what I believe. And I added the two words to show their identity, when yes the formal name of the Church (which is of the Orthodox Faith) is indeed the ‘One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church’.

          • Nan

            Which Orthodox Church exactly do you speak of? Because where I live there are several, including Ethiopian, Russian (both ROCOR and OCA), Serbian and others. And no, the Church in the East changed its name.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            No, there is only one Church, you are mistaken. I’ve read the various Encyclicals of the Eastern Patriarchs-you should too-and they all use the phrase; ‘One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church. There is only One Church, and that Church condemned any kind of ‘Phyletism’ errors concerning ‘National Churches’ in about 1866 I think. What is true is that while the Church is One, the churches are self-governing under their Bishops. The shameful fact is that in immigrant nations like the USA, each ethnic group governed itself under their ethnic leadership, instead of organizing otherwise. But that is more an Administrative and Political issue, All true Orthodox know that we are brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus.

          • Nan

            There are different churches and you can’t receive communion just in any parish without permission. The Orthodox Church of America isn’t part of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia – one answers to the Patriarch of Moscow, the other doesn’t.

          • Julie

            And of course, there were many who were faithful celibates…..had to put that in…yes though…scandals…and there were priests teaching all sorts of errors who had little education.

            Council of Trent resolved that….we cannot put past in boxes…church is constantly self reforming.

          • Nan

            The Apostles didn’t marry. They were married beforehand. In the Orthodox Church, married men are ordained, first to the Diaconate, then to the priesthood. Priests don’t actually get married.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            You’re showing your ignorance, of even Canon Law in the Roman Church, and the ‘Eastern-Rite’ churches.

          • Nan

            Oh, honey, you might want to do research; first, there’s no such thing as “Eastern-Rite” churches as there’s more than one Eastern Rite. Second, those churches, like Orthodox Churches, ordain married men which is completely different than priests getting married.

            You must be a convert not to know that.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            “Oh, honey,”

            Getting off to a bad start, lose the hate or this discussion can end real quick. I don’t do passive-aggressive sarcasm very well, it speaks to a malicious heart.

            “you might want to do research”

            Did. It’s why I’m Orthodox. And that’s bothering you, otherwise you wouldn’t speak as you do.

            “first, there’s no such thing as “Eastern-Rite” churches as there’s more than one Eastern Rite.”

            As they are all allegedly Autocephalous, they are ‘churches’ with each following different Rites.

            “Second, those churches, like Orthodox Churches, ordain married men which is completely different than priests getting married.”

            I was speaking to the modern practices of the Roman Church, which brings in married Anglicans directly into the Priesthood when Pope Leo XIII definitively declared Anglican Holy Orders invalid in 1888’s ”Apostolicae Curae” . Therefore, they are letting married laymen (by their own rules) enter the Roman Catholic priesthood. I’m not speaking about the validity of Anglican Holy Orders, but of Roman Catholic practices.

            “You must be a convert not to know that.”

            What I do know in the context of this discussion is that while I am indeed often ignorant and a great fool and sinner, I do know that I am now within the actual ‘One Holy Catholic Church’ established by Jesus Christ, the Orthodox Faith. This I believe. That you are so uncharitable about me when many Roman Catholics I know get along just fine with me and even sympathize with my position, speaks to your own insecurities and doubts.

            You probably haven’t encountered much spiritual love within this modern church that is becoming more unhinged with each passing decade. I know, I saw nothing but evil spiritual fruits there all my life.

          • Nan

            I know they’re autocephalus churches. I belong to one. My point is that there’s no such thing as the “Eastern Rite.”

            Actually, it’s converts to Orthodoxy who try to be more Holy than the Patriarch that are a problem; you have in several places on this thread made nasty remarks about the Catholic Church before I appeared so no, it isn’t me.

            Note also that the Catholic Church does bring married Anglicans into the Church and sometimes ordains those who had been Anglican priests; in the spring, there was an Anglican priest who had converted after some education (I don’t know what sort of education is required for them as I have no idea what their seminaries are liked) who was first ordained as a transitional deacon with this year’s crop, then, a month later, as a priest with the rest of the newly ordained priests. So no, we don’t in fact ordain men based on their Anglican holy orders as those are invalid.

            I’m sorry that you had a bad experience with the Catholic Church; note also that both Churches may validly claim (and do both validly claim) to be the One Church that Christ founded. There was only one church until the great schism.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            Ah, a Uniate, that explains everything. As I said, Kindly do not post in reply in the future.

          • Nan

            This is what I’m talking about; first, you have in several places used the slur “Roman” Catholic, first used by the Church of England who somehow still believed they were Catholic although Henry VIII walked away from the Church as an excuse to steal money and land; second, you have called Pope Francis a heretic and third, you have made a nasty personal slur against me. And you wonder that you come across as arrogant? And that’s not even including your commentary about Canon law which is not the authority that laymen generally are expected to cite.

            You also have double standards, asking me for citations in Gospel but generally just mentioning canon law.

            A few things for you to think about when you’re surprised that others believe, based on your commentary, that you’re a) a convert; b) arrogant and c) a jerk.

          • Julie

            It has been proven hard…cannot go into it…but Anglican priests married now serving in Latin Church….hard on family life.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            All kinds of factors there.

          • Julie

            Yes…worked very closely with priests in missions and they knew each other some of them, since they were 9. This Spanish nurse was supposed to work with me and she backed out …so I went to all their meetings, worked along side with them visiting our communities, etc. I could not see them being able to give so much to so many if they were married.

            The priest I was closest to said the one vice his bishop said he could do is smoke. I hated it. Now 40 years later, he had to suddenly leave as pastor…now living in a convent….saw a nose, mouth, throat specialist…praying for him…worry about his health and he is not answering people much now on his web page…real personal loss for me when he goes….

          • Julie

            Well…it is very hard on families when the father is now a Latin priest. Different work load. A Jesuit….the one who named Seattle’s Skid Roe and a true ascetic told me that there are Orthodox priests who told them…not against their wives and families…but they were juggling….like two vocations in one. Albeit celibacy is both discipline and calling.

          • Grandmere

            See my comment to her above. I must say that I am mystified by her attitude toward you. You have very amicable discussions with the two Julies, Steve, Rudy, Susan and even this old shaggy Anglican. It must have been a comment way back before the earth cooled that set her mind. As you remember, I made an agreement with someone to just leave one another alone and so far it is working well for both of us. I hope she will try to live and let live. Love to you from Grandmere.

          • Julie

            I would think they would be concerned about spreading the Good News and establishing Christ’s Church in the face of persecution and death.

          • Nan

            And remember He told His apostles to come with him without going back to say goodbye or to bury their father or whatever. If they were married, you’d think there’d have been a reference to saying goodbye to their wives.

          • Julie

            The bond of marriage cannot be broken. What I know from my seminary class on the papacy is that Peter’s son Marked helped him in formally founding the Church of Rome.

            I cannot imagine after Pentecost, the apostles wanted to remain living ordinary lives.

          • Julie

            Discipline came out later….suggestion started by Spanish priests in the latter 300’s..and this calling to give all to the kingdom….and then priests were marrying then…and there were those committing adultery and so on… discipline of Latin Church.

            We do not think anything less of our Orthodox priests. They are all equal, just different cultures and geography and politics.

        • Nan

          The reason she was hostess is that St. Peter was a widower. Any Orthodox Christian should realize that Bishops are of a celibate class.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            Technically, canon law provides for Bishops and wives, who are to remain chaste and celibate, and usually they would separate not divorce, but still… And even earlier than those Canons, st. John Chrysostom mentions in a sermon the example of someone saying they were holy because their grandfather was a bishop.

            But aside from celibate Bishops and religious, I was specifically talking about Priests being married.

          • Nan

            Canon law in which Orthodox Church? The Orthodox ordain married men. Priests don’t get married.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            Right, and I just provided an example of what the Roman Church considered to be laymen who were married directly into the Roman Catholic priesthood. I’m agreeing with you and you still want to argue.

          • Nan

            You were using that example to show that the Catholic Church considers Anglican holy orders to be valid in contradiction of Leo XIII, not to show that married men are sometimes ordained priests.

          • Grandmere

            Nan, you and Knight have somehow gotten off at a wrong exit. That happened with Higlac and me a long time ago. Guess who is my very good friend now. Higlac. We have a great friendship both here and offsite. Take a break. It will take about a week for any bruises to go away. I guarantee you there is a lot of common ground you guys can explore. If an Anglican like me can do it, so can both of you.

          • Julie

            It most likely will never happen in Latin Church….folks are not too keen providing for priests’ families…but there are former married Protestants now serving as priests..and the demands of the Latin priesthood are as such that they do have their own opinions now of marriage and the priesthood.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            Nobody in this context does not deny that Celibacy is a Holy thing, and a genuine gift and option for the Servants of God and Man. It is also a cross to bear, and must be born willingly and voluntarily. But Marriage is Holy, and also a Sign and Symbol, so that it is just for those Priests who can bear It and their own particular cross in the married life, should be free to bear that too.

            And, it is not unusual, just as in early times in the Church, for Priests and Ministers of God to work for a living and provide for their families, as other men. Not really having to do that and not really having much of that experience can drive a wedge between laymen and clerics.

          • Julie

            Yes…I think those who are experiencing a calling to the priesthood but are also thinking of marriage should inquire in an Orthodox seminary.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            Indeed, and for much else besides:-).

      • Nan

        They may have been married before they became Apostles but priests have never gotten married, nor have bishops ever been married.

        • OrthodoxKGC2015

          Proof of non-married state before Apostleship?

      • mspip

        apostle peter was married, don’t know about the others.

        • Nan

          If St. Peter’s wife was living, she’d have been referenced as the hostess. The only reason a mother in law would be the hostess is that his wife was dead.

          • mspip

            makes sense

          • mspip

            that makes sense. thank you.

  • Nan

    We don’t worship Mary. We venerate her as it says in Scripture.

  • Nan

    I’m so sick of people saying the Vatican can sell its treasures. Do you read the Bible? Judas was also upset at the woman who broke the alabaster jar and anointed Christ as the expensive oils could be sold to feed the poor, who said that the poor will always be with you. So no, selling Vatican treasures won’t help. It will feed people for a short time, but then those treasures are no longer available for use at Mass or for viewing in the museums or for scholarly research in the libraries.

    • melissa

      Christ was the Son of God. That’s different. We cannot afford this.

      • Nan

        Yes, and that’s why Mass is celebrated with gold vessels as we believe the Eucharist to be the Real Presence of Christ, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity.

  • Nan

    Tip, he left the Church so is no longer in active ministry. It is inappropriate to refer to him as Fr.

    • OrthodoxKGC2015

      Well, he’s also dead, too.

      • Nan

        Using also and too in the same sentence is redundant.

        • OrthodoxKGC2015

          Ok that is it. Kindly do not reply in the future to my posts, you’re simply a troll and I want nothing to do with you or whatever spiritual malady you’re suffering from or wish to spread.

          • Nan

            Just because you’re an ineffective writer doesn’t mean I’m a troll.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            You sure are an arrogant one; I never claimed to be or have the desire to be an ‘effective writer’, I just speak from my foolish and sinful heart to my fellow men and Almighty God.

            And you are a ‘troll’ because your posts to me have not served any real purpose other than to be hostile and snarky.

            God know and is just, and merciful too. I say again, with even more vehemence; do not reply to my posts, you are pestering me at this point and if you do not stop I will find a way to report your childish behavior.

          • Take it easy Orthodox, no need to call him “troll” and he calls you a bad speller … you two are brothers. I sent him a message too and I hope you two make up and get along.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            Mr. Shoebat, ultimately we are all guests on this forum, for the appreciation, critique, and discussion of the articles your website team shows us. I’m not here to make waves, and I want Christian Unity as God Himself desires it, but not at the expense of the truth. I do find common ground when I can, and try not to embitter and embarrass others.

            God bless,

            OKGC

            PS- my name is Chris.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            If you want Christian unity, then quit calling us Papists. I am sure you well know the numerous quotes from the Church Fathers that speak of unity/being ‘In the Church’ impossible without holding to the See of Peter, the most ancient Church at Rome, etc.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            Those quotes applied before Rome fell from the Unity, not after. I cannot call you what you are not, but by what others within Orthodoxy have identified as one of your primary errors; ‘Papism’, the rising of the Pope of Rome to a level not supported by the Apostolic Teaching of the Fathers.

            You believe otherwise, and so while I respect you as a person, it does us no good for me to try to fool you and others into thinking we believe pretty much the same, when we in fact do not. Unity is not based on lying to ourselves and each other that no differences are serious and that none of it matters.

            Actually, I respect you and your position too much, than to be false about where things stand.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            So quotes cease to be ‘valid’ quotes just because of the Schism? Why do you state ROME fell from unity? The Orthos fell because they didn’t want to be under the ‘yoke’ of the Pope. Jesus’ teaching alone is enough to validate Peter’s position – Peter is the Head of all the sheep – Peter is to strengthen the brethren – Peter holds the Keys – Jesus prays for Peter’s faith alone to not fail – Peter walks on water – Jesus pays the Temple Tax for himself and Peter – Peter’s death will glorify God – Peter’s name is first in all lists of the Apostles – He is the ‘First’, (which is ‘proto’, as in prototype) even though he was not the 1st Apostle called. He is the Father over the House, as Isaiah 22:20-25 makes crystal clear – and He alone received a name change -and spoke the Holy name on Yom Kippur (signaling that He will be the High Priest).

          • mspip

            name calling is downright rude and orthodox’s mama likely taught him better.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            I’m sure she did, my mom and your mom taught us better, we unfortunately don’t always live up to our raisings. Asking him to cease the usage of ‘Papist’, which is nothing more than a pejorative, would be a token of respect so that the unity he claims to desire might have a chance to blossom.

          • Nan

            Your previous statements indicate that you know all about Catholicism and Orthodoxy, in addition to being holy. So who’s arrogant? The problem here is that you don’t expect people to be able to counter your statements, therefore, you reject their responses. Disagreeing with you is neither hostile nor snarky.

            Oh, is it going to be on my permanent record?

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            I’m going to set the record straight, so that we can bury the hatchet, and not in each other….

            Most of my life was lived in the Roman Church, i’ll stand by my experience good and bad.

            I am now Orthodox Christian, I’ll stand by that experience too.

            As for my being ‘holy’ I most assuredly am not, but among the worst.

            “The problem here is that you don’t expect people to be able to counter your statements, therefore, you reject their responses.”

            People go on thinking they’ve made a point debating, even when they haven’t. When I’m wrong and realize it, i’ll own up to it. My whole life has been a willingness to change no matter the pain, if I feel the Truth is guiding me.

            So, just drop it, and we can find common ground later if we can.

          • He made a point and you are acting as if you were an automatic spell-check machine. Then he says “kindly do not reply” and you reply anyway putting down his writing skills.

          • Nan

            Walid, I do appreciate your request; however, I object to the double standard; the other poster has made nasty remarks about a) the Catholic Church; b) the pope; c) me; and d) posted erroneous information, while objecting to anyone rebutting his statements, which just brings out more insults from him. Disagreeing is not trolling.

  • Nan

    Canard. The Catholic Church is the Church that Christ Himself founded.

  • Nan

    Crazy isn’t proof.

    • DeusLoVult

      Ignore Welder. He likes Hitler. Not kidding.

      • Nan

        Well, he built a nice highway and thought that there should be cars suitable for ordinary people…

        • DeusLoVult

          Tell me you’re joking.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            Could be, bit of a joker it seems.

          • DeusLoVult

            Yeah, maybe.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            Btw, please do me a favor DLV and send Grandmere an email with my email address, and i’ll email you too in a while.

            God Bless,

            OKGC

          • DeusLoVult

            I don’t have her email address. Sorry OA. Let me ask someone, who I think might have it.

          • OrthodoxKGC2015

            It’s alright, I just feel I need to communicate with her, she’s a good woman.

          • DeusLoVult

            Yes, she is. As I said, give me a few moments, I might be able to get it. Hmmm…..first, I think I’ll have him ask her permission.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            I took here comment as ‘tongue-in-cheek’.

          • DeusLoVult

            Still ain’t sure, my lady.

  • OrthodoxKGC2015

    Almost every post of yours turns to the shedding of blood and the ending of human life, if I didn’t know any better, i’d think you were an ‘agent provoceteur’ trying to stir stuff up and draw people away from this site, when they see your inflammatory language.

    No real soldier enjoys having to do what they sometimes have to do, and a Christian wants the conversion of those lost in Islam, not their death and eternal destruction. Get a grip man, it’s easy to talk the way you do on the interwebs, but children and impressionable people are looking at this. Think of your duties and responsibilities as a man and an example, a leader.

    God bless,

    OKGC

  • Jimi,

    In John it says that The Son of God manifested to destroy the works of the devil. These works exist everywhere including in the Catholic Church. I like you Jimi, and will always remember you.

  • ace

    72 Democrats demanded on 9-11-15 (I kid you not) that Obama give asylum to 200,000 refugees by 2016, which is 10 – 20 times more than had been planned at the time, and, furthermore, claimed that 76% of Syrian refugees – over 3 million – are women and children. If this is true, then the U.S. should require a quota, that at least 76% of those admitted be women and children? I’ll give you the link for this one: http://cicilline.house.gov/sit… If you are not outraged by political correctness, perhaps you are just not paying attention? Truth really is stranger than fiction.

    And, now the USCCB comes up with the same total number, just open the doors even quicker? ( Providing 100,000 annual resettlement slots for the most vulnerable refugees fleeing the Syria conflict. [And] Designating an additional 100,000 refugees to be resettled in the U.S. from other countries. http://www.usccb.org/about/migration-policy/syrian-refugee-crisis.cfm ) According to the first link in Theodore’s article http://catholiccitizens.org/news/62562/us-bishops-call-for-influx-of-200000-refugees/ , “… 97 percent of the USCCB’s federal funding consists of money for its Migration Fund…”

    • ace

      OK, I’m going to answer some of my own questions, because I thought I was missing something when I read “Major Leaders of The Vatican…” and then only the USCCB message was cited. That, of course, was a good start and demonstrated good instincts, but I felt a need to dig further, so here’s another clue. (And any other people who want to help, please research and report, because this is a huge issue).

      Until I started reading, I didn’t know anything about the “International Catholic Migration Commission” (ICMC). You can get the start of a background idea by reading the Wiki article here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Catholic_Migration_Commission

      The next clue is that it’s based in Geneva, but the biggest clue is that Peter Sutherland is the president of ICMC and he is also the United Nations Special Representative of the Secretary-General for International Migration. Now go read this for the real dope: http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/item/21730-insider-eu-u-s-must-take-more-refugees-get-rid-of-sovereignty This guy is a globalist and an insider’s insider. GO READ

      The linked article starts like this: “Peter Sutherland, the United Nations special representative of the secretary-general for international migration, is hopping from one pulpit to the next, preaching the message that the refugee tsunami proves national sovereignty is an “illusion,” a mere shibboleth” that must be done away with. Moreover, says Sutherland, the United States and the European Union “have not merely a moral but a legal obligation to protect refugees.” And that means, he makes quite clear, that the United States and EU are obligated to take in an unspecified quota — but potentially millions — of refugees and migrants, most of whom are currently streaming out of the Muslim countries of the war-decimated Middle East and Africa…”

  • OrthodoxKGC2015

    I’m not talking ‘nicey nicey’ and playing pattycake with anybody, i’m not talking about what has to be done necessarily, as i’m talking about the sins that can flow from warfare. It’s not a damn cartoon or video game or shooting down at the range.

    War has to be done sometimes, but it’s parents losing their children, or children losing parents, somebody’s son or brother or boyfriend or husband walking away from their loved ones to go fight and then never being seen alive again. It’s trying to hold someone’s guts in as their life drains away from them and your helpless to do anything.

    But no matter who you fight, they’re still human beings made in the Image of God, and you don’t have to like God-Damned War even if we have to do it.

    • DeusLoVult

      I agree with my chief flight instructor. (former fighter pilot)

      “Let’s start these godd*mn wars already. We wrote the d*mn plans for them 30 years ago.”

  • Nan

    Please take your canards elsewhare. There is a small percentage of Catholic priests who are homosexual and who abuse chilldren; they are found in any cross section of society. Please stop this! Any priest, deacon, employee or volunteer in the Catholic Church is required to be trained to be on the alert for pedophiles as well as to have a background check. The same isn’t true for Lutherans; the volunteers are trained to avoid being accused. Nor do Orthodox Christians require anyone but priests, deacons and employees to be trained.

  • Nan

    Catholics don’t worship the Blessed Virgin Mary. Read the book of Luke, that’ll help you.

  • Nan

    The Roman Catholic Church is the Church founded by Christ. For further proof, it was Russia that preserved the Jesuits when they were suppressed.

  • Nan

    The Catholic Church provides more social services worldwide than any other organization. You want that we should do more than we already do? Any time there’s a disaster and the Red Cross and Salvation Army are going in? The Catholic Church is already there.

  • Julie

    I know about Catholic Charities…social justice….but I don’t think it is…foolish and wonder what they are doing to work bring our Middle Eastern Christians in….attended conferences…but no longer participating…oblivious to our country being 18 trillion in debt, almost 100 million Americans without work….and so on….they are not down to earth…and there is another oblivion to what is happening to our borders.

  • Julie

    Really…that is some really deep spiritual reflection.

  • Julie

    True…and we live in such an unlivable and complex society. I just gave up trying to live out the ancient rule of St. Francis of Assisi…worked up to 1967 or so….

  • Julie

    I am thinking about this more…came across a newly defined ‘Social Doctrine’ of the American Church….and it looks like a groupie perspective. I went to one conference and never went back. It is going more along PC, where there is very strong political connection to it…and dissenters are not listened to. I don’t even bother speaking out…and yes, it is deeply disconcerting that there is absolutely no conversation of how we are going to educate illegals or anyone else about our political and economic system for them to participate in and contribute.

    I worked in the Capuchin missions and we were totally against handouts, knowing it cripples them and denies them the opportunity in their own land through the Word of God to learn how to develop it and it provide the native people a better way of life.

  • AnthonyM

    The ‘migrants’ should be protected and cared for in their own country.
    Just saw this intelligent comment by the Archbishop of Aleppo.

    Europe should stop luring Syrians away from their homeland and instead focus on ending the civil war, the Archbishop of Aleppo has said.

    Hitting back at Anglican bishops who signed a letter calling for Britain to take in tens of thousands more migrants, Archbishop Jean-Clément Jeanbart told BBC Radio 4: “If they look to our country, our communities there, we suffer when people leave our country.

    “What I would ask everybody to do is to try our best to stop feeding and encouraging radicalism and fundamentalism, and find a political solution where compromise may be done.”