The Government Of Colorado Legalizes Assisted Suicide

By Theodore Shoebat

Well, the state of Colorado gets sicker and sicker. With the passing of the legalization of marijuana, and all of the violent shootings that it has had, this story does not surprise me at all. Colorado just legalized marijuana. Here is one report: 

Catholics in Colorado have reacted with dismay after the state voted to legalise assisted suicide.

The vote on legalisation, which came on the same day – Tuesday – as the presidential election, was approved by a margin of 65 per cent to 35 per cent.

Catholic, Mormon, and evangelical leaders played a role in the unsuccessful opposition to the ballot measure.

The Catholic News Agency (CNA) reported the Colorado Catholic Conference as saying yesterday: “The mission we have as citizens of Colorado should be to help people live with dignity – not to offer them more options to kill themselves.”

The conference said the legalisation was “a great travesty of compassion and choice for the sick, the poor, the elderly and our most vulnerable residents”.

The ballot measure, which is modelled on a 22-year-old Oregon law and uses the language of “medical aid in dying,” is called the Colorado End-of-Life Options Act. It will allow an adult with a terminal illness to request a lethal prescription from their doctor. The individual must be deemed mentally competent and two doctors must diagnosis the person as having six months or fewer to live. The measure requires self-administration of the drug, called secobarbital, which is also used for lethal injections in some states, CNS said.

The measure voted on requires the official cause of death to be listed as a patient’s underlying condition, not as an assisted suicide.

The president of the legal assisted suicide advocacy group Compassion and Choices, Barbara Coombs, said the vote was “an especially tremendous victory for terminally ill adults who worry about horrific suffering in their final days,” the Associated Press reported.

But Colorado’s Catholic Conference rejected depictions of assisted suicide as a private choice, saying: “killing, no matter what its motives, is never a private matter; it always impacts other people and has much wider implications.”

The Conference added: “As Pope Francis has noted it only furthers a ‘throwaway’ culture”.

A Colorado-based non-profit hospice and palliative health care provider, Divine Mercy Supportive Care, declared itself a “no-kill provider” in the wake of the vote. The Catholic organisation’s policies follow the US bishops’ ethical and religious directives for Catholic health care.

The organisation said it was “the antidote to assisted suicide.” It added that advances in pain and symptom management have helped alleviate the suffering of advanced illness.

However, it said several other Colorado hospice agencies have said that they are willing to accommodate assisted suicide.

Supporters of legal assisted suicide failed to pass bills in the Colorado legislature in 2015 and 2016, before placing the proposal on the election day ballot.

According to the Denver Post, the ballot measure’s advocates raised $4.8 million from groups like the Compassion & Choices Action Network.

Church groups opposed to the ballot measure raised $2.3 million, including contributions from the dioceses of Denver, St. Louis, and Arlington.

Five other states have similar laws or court action permitting assisted suicide: Washington, Oregon, California, Montana, and Vermont.

Also on election day, California voted to legalise the use of marijuana for recreational use.

A government that supports self-murder, will also support the murder of others.

 

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  • magaforever

    What about those who are suffering in agony from an incurable disease?? Would it be inhumane to put them out of their suffering?

    • Catbr

      Why not just let the terminally ill people who are in agony get narcotics to ease their suffering? Are they afraid they’re going to get addicted? When a person is that close to death why would an addiction matter. This would give them more time to be with family or whatever else.

      • magaforever

        Yes that’s true but what about those without family??

        • susan

          They still have the right to live until God receives them. Why do you think the mother of our Lord Jesus Christ asked us to specifically pray for her intercession during the hour of our death? Things which can’t be seen in the eternal realm are taking place in God’s timing. We dare not tread over God’s plans just because some government bureaucracy says its “legal”.

          • magaforever

            I’m only talking about people in extreme agony due to disease or whatever else.. so if a baby will live for a few years in extreme agony you think it’s better to let it suffer than send it directly to God?

          • susan

            Don’t buy into the extreme agony bs. I’m living with chronic pain myself. It can be managed.

          • magaforever

            I doubt you have to the pain some are feeling from disease..again..why is it humane to put down suffering animals but not suffering humans ??

          • Eric Mueller

            Your original post question is not an easy one to answer. You may have heard it before but since Adam and Eve sinned we live in a broken and fractured world where suffering is a part of life.

            Now I am not sharing this to take one side or the other at this moment but just to share something personally relatable to this topic. I have thankfully not lost any immediate family yet to sickness or illness but we did lose our Labrador, Jake, to nasal cancer over 2 years ago. The tumor had pressed up against his eyes causing him to go blind and in the final days he was coughing and sneezing up blood with chunks in it. I absolutely positively DID NOT want to lose him and put him down but firstly the only other option to us was an expensive surgery which there was a possibility it would not even work. Secondly he wasn’t the same. Jake could not go for long walks with us anymore and we pretty much had to carry a close to 100 pound dog down the stairs, not to mention the bleedouts he was having.

            Having said all that animals are not the same as humans. To think like that is wrong. To be saying humans and animals are the same makes me think of the people that say we evolved from apes. : – / Now I don’t like to see anyone or anything suffer. Whether it be injecting dogs with acid, skinning cats alive, slowly beheading someone, or running someone over with a tank. If I could I’d wish all suffering away but that is not going to happen. We soldier on. We have good moments and bad moments. We soldier on. We have horrible moments and beautiful moments. We soldier on. A quick question. Do you feel people that slit their wrists or hang themselves are doing good or evil? I feel that this assisted suicide is just pretty much the same as that and for me that is wrong.

            Before I go Jesus listed two utmost commandments to follow. Honor and love God like no other and love one another. I guess maybe it is the love one another part that has a lot of people confused since some might feel it is loving to kill a suffering individual to put them out of misery and others (myself included) feel that love one another is to do our utmost to help the sick individual through the pain and suffering and keep them living.

          • Julie

            I wish animals would be given morphine….vets against it.

          • susan

            Thanks for trivializing my pain. I worked at MD Anderson so i am not ignorant of suffering patients. Where have you worked? What have you suffered? People who think like you who have no experience of how it is now possible to keep people alive and in relative comfort should not be the ones pushing policy for assisted suicide. What’s taking place in your mind is worse than what happens in the physical.

          • magaforever

            Right so it’s good to execute a murderer or rapist who hasn’t yet repented and send them to hell forever but it’s bad to mercy kill someone or to not use technology to keep them alive to suffer…what a crock of bs..by your logic all murderers and rapists should just be licked up u til they repent and “GOD ALONE TAKES THEM ONLY GOD ONLY GOD …OH..UNTIL WE WANT TO KILL CRIMINALS OR PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH CATHOLIC DOCTRINE…so did God personally tell all those popes that the heretics they executed would never repent ?? The hypocrisy is what disgusts me…how about a little consistency

          • susan

            Can you explain to me why God Himself chose death for certain sins?

          • magaforever

            But why wasn’t king David put to death ?? Why aren’t we all treated equally and loved equally by God?? I’m sure king David put other adulterers and murderers to death..but like Hillary Clinton he was above the law

          • Craig A. Mouldey

            I find it important to keep in mind if left to ourselves there is no hope. None. He isn’t obligated to come and save anyone. Why He has mercy on some while others he hardens is a choice he makes. He doesn’t force people to do evil. And the pottery is not in a position to question the potter. Very dangerous road to go down.

          • magaforever

            If the potter made a pot that questions him how can he blame the pot for how he made it?

          • Craig A. Mouldey

            because he made it in the loins of Adam at creation. Unfortunately Adam made a wrong choice.

          • magaforever

            Ya it’s great to watch people suffer…wth was ever thinking??

          • magaforever

            Ya it great to watch people suffer…wth was I ever thinking ??

          • magaforever

            So everyone is equal except jewish kings?..theyre above the law I see

          • Craig A. Mouldey

            David was forgiven because he repented. He still suffered through his life for what he did. Not every Jewish king escaped death for their sins just like today. Not everyone who has sinned ends up being executed. Some actually repent. Your gripe is really with the Almighty if you think your righteousness is equal to or greater than his. I will leave that up to you.

          • magaforever

            I just want to ask him why he enjoys watching us all suffer so much

          • susan

            Is that what you really believe? That God is a sadomasochist? That God looked at your birth and said to Himself…let me see how much suffering and pain I can inflict on mega forever before she dies? Be honest. Suffering has no easy answers.

          • magaforever

            Idk what to think anymore .. sometimes that’s how it feels

          • susan

            Sighs. i know megaforever…i know…pat answers from people who’ve never suffered a day in their life. But the truth is…we all suffer…some early. Some late. Some all the way through. Did God create suffering? No, He didn’t. Does He permit it? Yes, He does. I’m actually writing this with tears in my eyes because i don’t want you to give up on God because He permits suffering. If you have a crucifix in your home, please look at Him pierced on the cross…suffering unfathomable agonies for you and for me. He gave meaning to suffering with that one act of His. Just read that sentence over and over and over. Ask God to help you..deeply fathom the significance for you. He didn’t have to go to the cross.

            And don’t be so hard on yourself. In my opinion, understanding suffering is harder than enduring it. 😉

            Goodnite. 🙂

          • I’ve seen life long suffering up real close and personal. My mother. Born November 16, 1928. A depression era child in a family of 5 children. When she was 3 some boy pushed her down a flight of steps and she injured her back. She spent most of her young and teen years in and out of hospital. Mostly in hospital. She had a scar from the base of her head all the way down her spine. She suffered osteomilitus all her life which caused great pain. She also had a curvature of her spine which made it far worse for her lungs when she got emphysema. The last ten years I provided a lot of her care. It was really hard on me. It was especially hard when her blood gasses got out of wack and she had to go to hospital with a raging lung infection and with tubes down her throat she would scribble a note: please let me die. But these episodes always passed until the last time when she had about 1% use of one lung and she passed. There is no way I would ever had said just kill her. She always bounced back until it was time to go. Great sense of humour she had. Maga’s views sound like mine years ago when I didn’t really have faith but I did have a burning to know. I never really give much thought now to why people suffer and I certainly don’t blame God for it. Megaforever needs help to become a real believer. That will take God’s grace and an act of will on that person’s part I guess. That’s about it. My mother passed on October 2, 1995, late afternoon, leaving me an orphan. Or as one of my aunts would say at her funeral: Your mother did this on my wedding anniversary! (she was angry. I told her I didn’t really think she did it on purpose). Magaforever is an angry person who does not trust the Lord yet and has no answers. That is all I really see here.

          • susan

            First of all, I’m sorry for your loss. It sounds as though you’ve had a lot of things to be bitter and angry about throughout your life. As did your mother…. I’m glad to hear you made it to God. :). And past all the lies. The road is narrow and filled with suffering and pain on this side of eternity. And we know the opposite is true for those on the highway to hell.

            I’m just beginning to learn a small bit about megaforever. She has never shared this much with me before. So it would be unkind and unfair to label her as angry and non-trusting. How can she be either if she hasn’t had a chance to know the real Lord and Savior? We all must start from where we are and with what we’ve heard or been taught…much of which is incorrect.

            Goodnite Craig.

          • Good Lord, I’ve just entered the twighlightzone. I’m not angry and bitter. I wrote that in support of what you were saying. Those days and that suffering were hard but there was blessing there too.
            How do you know maga is a woman? From comments this person is so violent I would have thought a man.
            Anyway, after this one, so bizarre and strange I’m seriously thinking of checking out of this. It is like the protestant chat rooms. they are all full of strife too. It is madness.
            I’ve no bad thoughts toward you. but this format and this world is becoming divisive. Sometimes for no reason at all.
            Good night and good bye.

          • susan

            Craig. Obviously I should have added a sentence. I was in a hurry. I was thinking of your mother and all she went through which you witnessed and lived through. It can cause bitterness. I’ve seen it firsthand. I certainly didn’t mean to imply you or your mother were bitter. I meant the opposite because you did not sound bitter nor did you complain about her. Nor did you say she was angry or bitter. And she definitely had a right to be. And Craig you are way too thin skinned. We’ve been having conversations back and forth and the one time I didn’t get every sentence right you blow up. Again I’m sorry. I obviously should have checked it several times but I’m not perfect either.

          • Wow, this is beyond sad. No, I’m not thin skinned. I also did not even come close to ‘blowing up’. I’m just stating facts. I think you may have spent too much time debating with magaforever and now you are projecting on me. The only thing I was trying to contribute was that I entered my mothers suffering for years and there is no way I would have wanted her life to end. She was a blessing even though it was hard. You people are all out of your freaking minds. Seriously! I did not blow up at you. That is coming from somewhere else.
            The end is near. I have things to take care of. I’m done with this. It is no better than the screaming idiots in protestant chat rooms. I’m sorry you and others cannot seem to follow a topic in a conversation. Something is going on and it really worries me when I see this sort of outburst. Good night and good bye.

          • susan

            Honestly I can’t even see every word right now. But I did see most of them. I’m on a tiny screen wearing glasses that I wore two years ago. Not good. Anyway. Why don’t we continue when I can actually read it all. Have a Goodnite. 🙂

          • susan

            Your mother was very blessed to have a son like you take care of her. And I’m sure it’s made you more sensitive to the suffering of others. I have my new glasses now. I can see how poorly I phrased that sentence. I’m sorry. That wasn’t my intent. 🙁

          • susan

            Hi Craig. Sorry it took so long to get back with you. I finally got a new pair of readers at the dollar store. I wrote a reply to you on another comment you wrote. That was a poorly phrased comment. I owe you a whole box of popsicles! 🙂

          • Oh and by the way, my mother was not angry and bitter either. Here that Mag? She suffered all her life and was not bitter.

          • susan

            She sounds like a wonderful mother. 🙂

          • magaforever

            And why it’s OK to mercy kill animals but not fellow humans

          • susan

            Have you even read the story? If you have you’d know exactly the punishment that the prophet told David he would receive. And receive it he did.

          • magaforever

            I’m not saying he didn’t receive any punishment..I’m sayiing I can’t grasp why he wasn’t put to death for adultery and murder when everyone is supposed to be equals

          • susan

            This is not meant to be a criticism. Have you been reading your bible? Now I have to leave for awhile. David did not command or kill him. He did however order him to be put in the front lines and abandoned. So that the enemy would do it for him. If you will study the Just punishments God meted out on David…and His mercy on those who repent…

          • magaforever

            I know he didn’t kill him by his own hand but the blood was still on his hands

          • susan

            Exactly..the intent was there. And yet God Himself could have saved him but He didn’t interfere. I hope you’ll do some reading and get a good catechism. I wasn’t excited to find out the Catholic Church was where I needed to go in the beginning either. Jesus wasn’t kidding when He said the things He said. Have a nice evening. 🙂

          • susan

            Which decree did our Lord allow due to the hardness of men’s hearts? A decree of divorce. Out of all the sins that could have been brought before our Lord…which one did He forgive? And notice that Jesus did NOT say the law should be changed! He does want mercy extended to repentant sinners.

          • magaforever

            *locked up*

          • Christina Marie

            Oh but you just trivialized others pain and that’s ok?

          • susan

            What are you talking about?

          • Christina Marie

            Everyone experiences pain differently. And yes, I have days I’m in extreme agony. Ive had surgeries, injections, pain meds, spinal cord stimulator trial and NOTHING but buttloads of narcotics touches it. The more narcotics I take, the higher my pain climbs. So I am forced to live with it. I think you are a very rude person to say that.

          • susan

            I have no idea what you’re talking about.

          • susan

            First of all, I am an advocate for people suffering chronic painful lives. I have no idea why you’re replying to me. And I certainly would not trivialize anyone’s pain. But I will call out people who do. Usually they’re lacking good information. And I feel for you. It sounds like you’ve been through the ringer and back.

          • 1Bobby8

            Nobody has the right to play god, only God has that right.

          • Eric Mueller

            The demon-rats and Satan worshipers certainly will try their best to be God though. And they will pay for their pride immensely.

          • 1Bobby8

            Amen to that.

          • magaforever

            I understand that concept ..So why is it humane to put down suffering animals but not humane to put down suffering humans

          • 1Bobby8

            Animal life is not the same as human life…Human life is sacred, if you start euthananising people for suffering, where do you draw draw the line?

          • magaforever

            Ya ..nm wth was I thinking.. we’re all made to suffer .. suffer suffer suffer..oh except animals they don’t have to suffer because they’re not sacred ..lol that sounds so stupid… technically painkillers are sin right?? but what do I know where should we draw that line??

          • 1Bobby8

            Maybe Jesus should have killed Himself in his agony in the garden.

          • magaforever

            We’re not Jesus .. are we?

          • 1Bobby8

            We’re suppose to emulate Jesus, and that includes offering up our pains to Him. We’re made in the image and likeness of All Mighty God…Our life isn’t ours to take, but belongs to God.

          • magaforever

            Ya so its good to execute murderers who haven’t repented knowing they will be damned to hell but not good to mercy kill someone to end their suffering ? What about medication?? Should we take medication just so we “cling to this life” to suffer??How can one know a murderer or rapist will never repent?? Sounds like a whole lot of sadistic hypocrisy

          • 1Bobby8

            Yes I can understand the execution of murderers who forfeited their right to live for taking the life of an innocent person. Usually the person condemned to the death sentence has plenty of time to repent before his actual execution which usually takes years.
            But helping somebody end their lives instead of comforting them through their suffering is embracing a culture of death and in essence playing god. And by “mercy killing” aren’t you denying that person time to repent? I have known people who were suffering and contemplated suicide and were grateful they didn’t go through it because afterwards they gained a relationship with God.
            And what about medication? Wouldn’t you think medication would be a better option to relieve ones suffering than putting a pillow over their face or having them either shoot or hang themselves?

          • magaforever

            Ok I guess but I’m talking about taking medication or whatever that keep u alive but only is dragging out a disease making it more agonizing instead of letting them die sooner from it..like pull the plug situations… They didn’t have that technology to keep people alive like vegetables or suffering in agony back in biblical days

          • 1Bobby8

            Well maybe we’re just misunderstanding each other. I’m not advocating methods to prolong a suffering life, I’m just against assisting someone to commit suicide.

          • magaforever

            King David committed murder why not equal justice for him under the law?? Is the law unjust??? Did the popes receive direct word from God that the murderers and heretics the executed would never repent?? I very much doubt it

          • 1Bobby8

            By your logic, why have any type of corporate punishment for murder? How can the greatness of King David be achieved by living in a prison cell for the rest of your life? Should there be any type of punishment for murder?

          • magaforever

            I’m saying why did king David get special treatment ..I thought God shows partiality to none? I thought ALL are equal under the law?

          • 1Bobby8

            You’re gonna have to take that one up with God.

          • magaforever

            At that point my questions won’t really matter will they

          • susan

            Did you ask your minister to explain the answer to that question?

          • susan

            What’s that supposed to mean? That He had supernatural power to endure and lessen His suffering? If you believe that then you have been mislead. He had to live and die by the same rules as all humanity. The only “help” He received was perhaps to live longer so He could suffer longer. He nearly died many times. Read St Catherine of Emmerich.

          • magaforever

            There are people who feel pain equal to Jesus’s crucifixion all their lives due to disease.. he didn’t feel that pain his entire life

          • susan

            Why do you say things like that? Did Jesus see you and your sins when He suffered? When He died? We have six billion people on earth now. Did he see every one of theirs as well? Have you considered what was happening in the agony of the garden? Read these things slowly and meditate thoughtfully on each word. There is so much more for all of us to learn. We will never learn it all on this side of eternity…

          • Julie

            I think he experienced much suffering seeing humanity suffer because of their sins, spiritual suffering intensely painful. And if we know how saints have been abused and suffered greatly, what about Our Lord and the hidden sufferings He endured on earth before His Passion….

          • Julie

            Again…palliative care.

          • Kamau41

            Well expressed Susan.

          • Saved_by_Jesus

            AMEN! Well said Susan!

          • susan

            Thank you! This is something that I am passionate about. I’ve had many family members in hospice and they’ve seemed to be “out of it” for days and weeks only to become coherent and try to leave their bed as they see Jesus or their loved ones…then lay down quietly and die right then. I’ve also volunteered in hospice and seen many things. Hastening death is its own form of eugenics.

        • Catbr

          I don’t know. If a person wants to end their life I don’t think it’s fair for them to drag someone else into this decision. It’s still murder.

      • Julie

        Morphine actually cannot kill.

        I have seen family members dose their loved one every hour to hasten death…but it comes when God decides.

        • Catbr

          I never suggested to give a terminally ill patient narcotics to kill them, far from it. From your response this is what you are implicating. I only said to let them have narcotics to ease the pain of their illness, not to dose them to death which is murder. Narcotics instead of a euthanasia cocktail to kill the patient. I am against assisted suicide.

          • Julie

            They want to hasten them and not allow them to have any pain.

            I looked into one’s eyes…and she was aware and still living.

            You can’t kill someone dosing them with morphine. I used to think that but at the Catholic hospice conference, we were told that.

            But what I saw, it wasn’t necessary or appropriate. Thankfully I was able to leave and not come back.

            I also served a person here with high profile, was in the local newspaper, etc., and it was public knowledge that he was starving himself to death….and likewise, he kept living.

            One of the worst cases was in the paper, a middle age woman pushing to euthanize her mother, who was well and sitting next to her, but obviously in the earliest stages of alzheimer…not comprehending what she was talking about, just smiling lovingly at her daughter.

          • Catbr

            If someone is giving lethal doses of morphine to their family members they are intending to kill them. Same as if a doctor doses a patient to death with narcotics. I myself have witnessed this with a very close family member. I’m certain this is what killed her. They may as well just give them the lethal euthanasia cocktail. This is not humane, it’s murder which I don’t agree with but rather to only give a patient a narcotic (not necessarily morphine) to ease their suffering whether they become addicted or not, but done in the right manner at the right doses and not to kill them.

          • Julie

            It certainly looks like that but morphine cannot shut down vital organs, only slow them down. But it does hasten death.

            So there is an ethical issue at hand as well, to relieve intense suffering, to provide proper doses where patient is comfortable and conscious.

    • Julie

      The palliative care is part of hospice and makes them comfortable and conscious. It requires ongoing observation from hour to hour.

      Been there…Did it.

      • susan

        Me too. Many times.

    • Julie LaBrecque

      We R to suffer to enter the Kingdom.

  • Not a surprise. Terribly sad to witness none the less. Society wants useless eaters, sick and elderly to die so they aren’t a burden on them. Our countries continue to slide into deeper darkness.

  • Eric Mueller

    Well, I know one person that will burn below. Barbara Coombs

    • Catbr

      Who’s Barbara Coombs?

      • Eric Mueller

        “The president of the legal assisted suicide advocacy group Compassion and Choices, Barbara Coombs, said the vote was “an especially tremendous victory for terminally ill adults who worry about horrific suffering in their final days,” the Associated Press reported.”

        • susan

          Thank you Eric. I noticed she used the words “worry about horrific suffering”. She’s trying to frighten people into an early (CHEAP) death… 🙁

          • waffle_anna

            Kyrie Eleison.. I hope that God, in His great mercy, will awaken this nation to turn back to Him.. Pray, pray a great deal for Donald Trump.. Both for his spiritual growth, and for his safety.. he has powerful enemies in the NWO, just like Putin of Russia.

            Our Lady of Guadalupe, pray for us!

          • susan

            Wise warning. We must not be slack in our prayers. We are still in war.

          • Kamau41

            AMEN. Very wise warning.

          • susan

            We’d like you to be a part of a think tank we’ve formed if you’ll have us. You have a bird’s eye view into things over there. Would you be interested? 🙂

          • waffle_anna

            I would.. though what would it entail? And well.. I’m just sharing my perspective on things..

          • susan

            That is exactly what we’d like. Sighs. I forgot about the time gap. Perhaps if you will share things from your perspective on this site? That way many of the regulars can receive your experiences and thoughts much quicker. I’ve gone periods of times where I can’t respond. And that won’t work well.

          • waffle_anna

            Yeah.. though that will require some time for research.. piecing together all the prophecies, the info about the current sentiment in Germany.. but yea, I’d be willing to share my experiences on Shoebat 🙂

          • susan

            Thank you! That would be awesome! :)))

        • Julie

          There is such a thing as good hospice and palliative care. There shouldn’t be horrific suffering, and also in the Journal of Palliative Care, those who are dying and have those who love and care for them, and give them hope experience less pain.

  • Catbr

    To not list a person’s death through assisted suicide as the reason for death but rather listing the medical disorder is a total lie. Shows how messed up everything is.

    • Julie

      I watched the Terri Schiavo case very closely and was shocked how the media quickly came out with the autopsy, and did not tell the public the truth.

      What was damaged was Terri’s motory part of her brain. And she was blind. But the part of her brain that could reason, that was aware and cognizant…was all there.

      She was deprived of water for 13 days, dying a slow death. And the death people saying she was in peace when in fact she was writhing and turning back and forth. Her death mask was horrific. The flowers standing in water next to her bed were given better comfort than she.

  • susan

    There is no reason to hasten death. God works in wondrous ways during the transition from death into eternal realms. We have medications that ease suffering. No one should be forced to end their life early for the convenience of others. God determines our very breath… Allow Him to complete His work. Assisted suicide is an assault on His sovereignty.

    We’ve got to stop the legalization of pot. It’s not a harmless drug. Soros has been behind this evil too. And it IS evil. It changes people for the worse. It also is an open door drug. And that is scary.

    • Eric Mueller

      I saw Florida has legalized medical marijuana. It’s a shame, I was hoping to move there eventually.

      • susan

        I hate to see Florida turn into another California. We’ve got to get the new info about marijuana and its effects on our children out there. And it’s much stronger than when i used it in my misspent youth.

      • magaforever

        According to whom is marijuana not a legitimate medicine??

        • Eric Mueller

          Well. . .me for one. [You kind of walked right into that one] : – )

          But seriously here I’m not seeing positive outweigh the negative with this.

          Since I am pressed for time here is just a few examples:

          Nausea and vomiting

          Medical cannabis is somewhat effective in chemotherapy-induced nausea and vomiting (CINV)[4][20] and may be a reasonable option in those who do not improve following preferential treatment.[27] Comparative studies have found cannabinoids to be more effective than some conventional antiemetics such as prochlorperazine, promethazine, and metoclopramide in controlling CINV,[28] but these are used less frequently because of side effects including dizziness, dysphoria, and hallucinations.[29][30] Long-term cannabis use may cause nausea and vomiting, a condition known as cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome.[31]

          A 2010 Cochrane review said that cannabinoids were “probably effective” in treating chemotherapy-induced nausea in children, but with a high side effect profile (mainly drowsiness, dizziness, altered moods, and increased appetite). Less common side effects were “occular problems, orthostatic hypotension, muscle twitching, pruritis, vagueness, hallucinations, lightheadedness and dry mouth”.[32]

          Pain

          Cannabis appears to be somewhat effective for the treatment of chronic pain, including pain caused by neuropathy and possibly that due to fibromyalgia and rheumatoid arthritis.[34][35] A 2009 review states it was unclear if the benefits were greater than the risks,[34] while a 2011 review considered it generally safe for this use.[35] In palliative care the use appears safer than that of opioids.[36] A 2014 review found limited and weak evidence that smoked cannabis was effective for chronic non-cancer pain. The review recommended that it be used for people for whom cannabinoids and other analgesics were not effective.[37] A 2015 review found moderate quality evidence that cannabinoids were effective for chronic pain.[5] A 2015 meta-analysis found that inhaled medical cannabis was effective in reducing neuropathic pain in the short term for one in five to six patients.[38] Another 2015 systematic review and meta-analysis found limited evidence that medical cannabis was effective for neuropathic pain when combined with traditional analgesics.[39]

          Neurological problems

          The efficacy of cannabis in treating neurological problems, including multiple sclerosis, epilepsy, and movement problems, is not clear.[40] Studies of the efficacy of cannabis for treating multiple sclerosis have produced varying results. The combination of Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and cannabidiol (CBD) extracts give subjective relief of spasticity, though objective post-treatment assessments do not reveal significant changes.[41] Evidence also suggests that oral cannabis extract is effective for reducing patient-centered measures of spasticity.[42] A trial of cannabis is deemed to be a reasonable option if other treatments have not been effective.[4] Its use for MS is approved in ten countries.[4][43] A 2012 review found no problems with tolerance, abuse or addiction.[44]

          Medical use

          There is insufficient data to draw strong conclusions about the safety of medical cannabis.[46] Typically, adverse effects of medical cannabis use are not serious.[4] These include: tiredness, dizziness, cardiovascular and psychoactive effects. Tolerance to these effects develops over a period of days or weeks. The amount of cannabis normally used for medicinal purposes is not believed to cause any permanent cognitive impairment in adults, though long-term treatment in adolescents should be weighed carefully as they are more susceptible to these impairments. Withdrawal symptoms are rarely a problem with controlled medical administration of cannabinoids. The ability to drive vehicle or operating machinery may be impaired until a tolerance is developed.[27] Although supporters of medical cannabis say that it is safe,[46] further research is required to assess the long-term safety of its use.[29][47]

          27] Although supporters of medical cannabis say that it is safe,[46] further research is required to assess the long-term safety of its use.[29][47]

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_cannabis

          I could keep going with the negative effects of recreational use but I’ll stop and let you read the Wikipedia link yourself. Don’t trust Wikipedia? How about one more.

          https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana

          Marijuana overactivates parts of the brain that contain the highest number of these receptors. This causes the “high” that users feel. Other effects include:

          altered senses (for example, seeing brighter colors)
          altered sense of time
          changes in mood
          impaired body movement
          difficulty with thinking and problem-solving
          impaired memory

          Marijuana also affects brain development. When marijuana users begin using as teenagers, the drug may reduce thinking, memory, and learning functions and affect how the brain builds connections between the areas necessary for these functions.

          Marijuana’s effects on these abilities may last a long time or even be permanent.

          For example, a study showed that people who started smoking marijuana heavily in their teens and had an ongoing cannabis use disorder lost an average of eight IQ points between ages 13 and 38. The lost mental abilities did not fully return in those who quit marijuana as adults. Those who started smoking marijuana as adults did not show notable IQ declines.3

          Physical effects

          Breathing problems.

          Increased heart rate.

          Problems with child development during and after pregnancy.

          Long-term marijuana use has been linked to mental illness in some users, such as:

          temporary hallucinations—sensations and images that seem real though they are not
          temporary paranoia—extreme and unreasonable distrust of others
          worsening symptoms in patients with schizophrenia (a severe mental disorder with symptoms such as hallucinations, paranoia, and disorganized thinking)
          Marijuana use has also been linked to other mental health problems, such as depression, anxiety, and suicidal thoughts among teens. However, study findings have been mixed.

          Compared to nonusers, heavy marijuana users more often report the following:

          lower life satisfaction
          poorer mental health
          poorer physical health
          more relationship problems
          Users also report less academic and career success. For example, marijuana use is linked to a higher likelihood of dropping out of school.5 It is also linked to more job absences, accidents, and injuries.6

          Contrary to common belief, marijuana can be addictive. Research suggests that 30 percent of users may develop some degree of problem use, which can lead to dependence and in severe cases takes the form of addiction.9 People who begin using marijuana before age 18 are 4 to 7 times more like than adults to develop problem use.10 Dependence becomes addiction when the person can’t stop using marijuana even though it interferes with his or her daily life.

          Now I’ve given evidence why I do not want marijuana legalized. I give an open invitation to anyone that reads this why people should be allowed easier access to this drug.

          • magaforever

            It has been effective in suppressing seizures.. especially in children from stories I’ve seen …I’m pretty sure they take the psychoactive part out.. if it helps people with seizures then I’m all for it I don’t care what the Vatican says..let the pope concise and foam at the mouth then tell everyone how its such a sin to suppress that

      • magaforever

        Should people with chronic pain not use any sort of narcotics?

        • Eric Mueller

          Just my opinion here but any sort of drug that drastically alters your mind and actions I am against. As mentioned in another comment there have been some miraculous advancements in the medical field just in the past 100 years. I am not totally against medicine and drugs helping people. I just feel personally marijuana is too dangerous to legalize and let anyone use.

          • magaforever

            If it has legitimate medical uses then it is not a sin to use it.. people misuse alcohol .. let’s look at how many people die by alcohol related deaths then how many die from marijuana related deaths..the numbers and stats clearly show alcohol is far more dangerous and should be banned way before marijuana ever is

          • magaforever

            Keep in mind I’m not advocating recreational use

  • Lance

    “for by me thy days shall be multiplied, and the years of thy life shall be increased.” (Wisdom speaks in Proverbs 9)

    • susan

      And this allows anyone who is diagnosed with six months or less to live!!! Six months?!? They can be encouraged/pressured to murder themselves with a huge amount of time left… :((. This is another open door where they will try to cheapen the sanctity of life in all its stages. We kill the unprotected unborn. Now it’s okay to kill the other weakest members of society. The dying are now losing their protection. Don’t kid yourself. It’s not about easing suffering.

      • It’s not comfortable to mention this one but they have also been killing people for years to harvest their organs to transplant into another. They will say the person had an accident, is brain dead and start cutting out the organs. Big money! Lest anyone think they got their new heart from a dead person, they didn’t. As soon as the body dies those organs won’t work. If you are 40 or younger please don’t sign a donor card. If you suffer a traumatic accident and are not conscious, on life support your life will be in grave danger from the doctors.

      • Lance

        I think it contrasts God through the person of Wisdom who multiplies our lifespan, compared to this recurring euthanasia idea in society. The verse doesn’t anesthetize (or “allow”) people to end their life.

  • Jeff Benton

    As was proven in Waco, Our Government already believes it has the right to kill men women and children en mass… Before Trial…
    This is not a huge leap from that…
    Wonder how long before they legalize pre-emptive self defense killing of those you disagree with since they “scare” you???

    Personally I cant wait till some murderer’s family sicks there lawyer on some poor Social Justice Warrior who had to defend him or her self from a home invader…
    It is going to be poetic justice when the murderers family’s lawyers come up with video of the victim in many many safe spaces and whatnot due to “Over Sensitive Feelings” and gets their “I shot them because I feared for my life” defense overturned…

    The laws these wicked politicians pass all the time now are going to bite them in the hiney one day…

  • Pamela Sage

    The image that is in my mind of where we’re heading is the euthanasia
    facility in Soylent Green. I see Sol lying there fading from life to the beautiful music and images. As soon as he’s gone he’s dumped into a garbage truck with a bunch of other bodies and hauled off to the Soylent Green factory to be made into protein squares.

    • I’d rather crawl into the bush and die there. What a horrible, despicable plot they have. I wouldn’t even discount that movie. It is all part of their programming. Great respect should be shown for a persons body. It is the one the Lord will raise. On occasion I just want to leave this world, but I’m also waiting on my delivery of Xtendovite. In my heart, I want to fight through to the end to see how this turn out.

      • Pamela Sage

        Soylent Green was made at the beginning of the 70s when overpopulation was perceived as the greatest threat and global warming was coming into vogue. It failed to foresee the Internet and availability of technology to the masses, so it’s vision of dystopia is off in many ways. However, it caught the dishumanization, elitism, and corruption of the corporations and government cronies that we are seeing and we might well see similar conditions during the Tribulation. Only the elite can afford meat, fruit, and vegetables. The masses can only afford tasteless food supplement squares they are told are made of soy or, in the case of Soylent Green, plankton. Most people don’t even have housing while the elites have luxury apartments equipped with live-in mistresses that are called “furniture”.. Riots are common and police quell them by sending in the “scoops”, which are trucks that are sent in to literally scoop up protesters and haul them off probably to never be seen again. When a member of the board of the Soylent Corporation is murdered, a police officer and his “book” or researcher begin to uncover the secret that he was threatening to expose. Most marine life had actually perished, so the dead were actually being recycled into protein squares to feed the masses. Meanwhile people were being to invited to end their lives prematurely at these euthanasia centers that offered them the only moments of solitude and pleasure that they might ever have in order to meet the demand for Soylent Green.

  • Eric Mueller

    Here is a question for everyone. My dad says the electoral college will vote for the President on December 19th. Who would like to join me in burning Washington D.C and all state capitals to the ground if they all switch their vote to killiary?

    • Eric Mueller

      “The Electoral College never actually meets as one body. Electors meet in their respective state capitals (electors for the District of Columbia meet within the District) on the Monday after the second Wednesday in December, at which time they cast their electoral votes on separate ballots for president and vice president.”

  • susan

    Where did she go? How do you know she was gone? She may have been in a state where she couldn’t respond to you… And I’m sorry for the loss of your mother. That’s a tremendous loss that leaves a hole that is never filled. No one will ever love us like a mother does.
    To me personally, all death is “awful” to witness. It’s very unnatural. And it wasn’t like that until we heeded the words of a serpent all those years ago.

  • susan

    Excellent reply chemtutor!

  • magaforever

    I can understand that ..but why is it humane to put down suffering animals but not suffering humans?

    • Julie

      I would add that they don’t have souls…intellect and will….people want to relieve them of their suffering.

      I got a Van M collie …. she was the best dog…but had 2 hernias…I talked to the vet and decided to get her..it was one of these…where she chose us as well as we her. So kind, not a mean bone in her. Beautiful….

      Anyway, she got sick in May….next day couldn’t get up well…I had to go out for work, came back, and my sister pulled her out of the sun…she was dying.

      I lay down on the grass next to her to see her face as she could not lift up her head.

      Anyway, she would look at me from time to time ….’what is happening to me’…..she was taking her last breaths when the vet came in…said it was a liver shunt. That means a birth defect she had her whole life dealing with toxemia. She behaved more like a mature dog since she was a pup…so it made sense. Shunt means the vessels carrying the toxins bypassed the liver and back into her system. Vet said nothing could have been done to keep her going without having a very compromised life. She wasn’t quite 5 years old.

      My other collie was dying of cancer, but able to get around. One evening in the summer, he was looking at the field down below, the sun made everything golden….July….and the birds were all singing….and he perked up looking like he wanted to return to all of that creation, and he died a few days later at the vet’s. He was ready to go, the other not. He died at the time I expected, around 10….

  • mspip

    praying is the best option. soros is perhaps the most evil being other than his leader….

  • Julie

    Most who commit suicide are white men who are ashamed to have incontinent care…losing control…that is the context.

    Or there are those who are euthanized but their will is compromised because they are clinically diagnosed with depression. It has happened in the past…more voices speaking out against the State allowing this.

  • susan

    If they could isolate the part of it that helps increase appetite in those who are having a hard time eating that would be a good thing.

    • Craig A. Mouldey

      Hi Susan,
      Still alive and still being a ‘good boy’! I haven’t chimed in much on this topic but I agree with everyone here who is against suicide and assisted suicide. This world has a nasty habit of putting a pretty face on horrible sin. Life is a gift. And it is short in the here and now. We should absolutely help the sick and suffering to keep going and offer anything we can to make their days as comfortable and valuable as we can. I do have a comment regarding cannabis. I’m not against it’s use for medical reasons and I do believe there are such uses for it. I doubt smoking it is the best way to gain access to any healing properties it may offer since those elements would get burned up. the only area where I can see smoking it being helpful is for those who have lost their appetite. Smoking does create a food craving. Of course, in a case like that juicing vegetables may be an excellent way for a person to gain high potency nutrition which is much easier to consume than eating a steak when a person is seriously ill. Definitely not in favour of smoking this for ‘recreational use’. I have known those who do that. They are like zombies. It isn’t good for their thinking.
      I’m afraid our society needs to really wake up on this front with ‘mercy’ killing. The elite really want to get rid of those who are of no value to them. It all comes down to money and control. Just another evil to deal with.

  • Eric Mueller

    I wholeheartedly support people taking some medications. Some medications could be very beneficial and could actually save and prolong a person’s life. . .I just don’t like or want this particular drug to be legalized. I don’t have time right now to lecture all the negative consequences of taking marijuana (whether medical or recreational) but after a quick two minute or so search here is a Wikipedia link:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_(drug)#Medical

  • Julie

    Yes…..

  • susan

    It is not her body that is entering the eternal realms. It is her soul. What do you mean by indignities?

  • susan

    It is hard. And I go through periods of depression and hopelessness as do people who have no illnesses. I even listened to satan’s lies and did the unthinkable. This is why i can say don’t do it. God has not left you. Don’t give up.

  • Julie

    You are carrying the Cross…the only way to heaven.

    A Dominican priest told me if he wasn’t suffering for 3 months, he knew he was doing something wrong.

    God bless you!

  • Julie

    Very sad. My friend had cancer and the fluids caused her to have a heart attack and they heavily sedated her to induce a coma like condition.

  • susan

    It is much better to endure suffering here on earth every single day of your life than to spend an eternal moment in the presence of satan. The essence of all evil and failure.