Individualism Is Evil, The Whole Society Needs To Be Under Christianity, And All Anti-Christian Views Need To Be Uprooted

By Theodore Shoebat

Individualism is evil. What we need to adopt is a Christian collectivist society, where evil beliefs are viewed as diseases that need to be uprooted. I did a whole video explaining this:

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  • Diana

    Not if it is men who decide what is and isn’t evil. A theocracy under Jesus is the only thing that will work – forever.

    • Higlac

      For that to work, we need to be in the Blessed Millennium the Bible tells us is coming. THEN Christ and His Saints can – and will – Establish such a collective where the individual’s rights and needs can and will be balanced against the needs of the overall communities.

      If it’s men who try to force things onto other men, we’ll be back to the Middle or Dark Ages – or the Roman Empires, or even further back. [Not that “progress” is always progress by a LONG SHOT!!!!]

      It’s in HUGE MEASURE the concept of individualism that have given us the geniuses like Michelangelo Buonarroti, Leonardo da Vinci, Ludwig van Beethoven, Richard Wagner, Pjótr Iljích Chaykóvskiy; Louis Pasteur, Jonas Salk, Florence Nightingale; George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln; Robert Walpole, Winston Spencer Churchill, Charles Dickens, Fjódor Dostojévskiy and INNUMERABLE other talents from whom ALL Mankind has benefitted!!!!! That evil individuals like Hitler, Stáljin, Mao and Pol Pot on one end of the scale, equally-evil wretches like Berkowitz, Dahmer and others on the other end have been and still are (to be found everywhere and in ALL walks of society!!!) doesn’t mean that individualism needs to be entirely thrown out.

      Consequently, I – against my will – MUST take issue with Mr. Theodore Shoebat and his denunciation of individualism per se. It’s more accurate and better to instead realise and accept that ANYTHING Man does without God is automatically fated to be evil because, like it or not, ALL Mankind IS intrinsically EVIL, straight from when Adam and Eve sinned against God Almighty!!!!

      • susan

        What did you think about the bible references?

        • Higlac

          My comment has fallen into moderation, so let me briefly say that I’ll NEVER go against them. They are more than good; and they DO have a lot of weight for me.

          I blame Marxism (itself a Satanic belief developed by an apparently secret-Satanist, if Wurmbrand is right…) and its proponents for most of the evils of today, to keep things brief. Were it not for our falling for it and its methods of attacking our civilisation (even when it doesn’t in itself believe in the ideas it’s circulating – which in itself shows just how EVIL it is!!!!), we wouldn’t be anywhere nearly this deeply in trouble…

      • Julie LaBrecque

        I disagree with your assertion that all mankind is intrinsically evil.

        • Higlac

          On what basis, Ms. LaBrecque? After all, here are the Biblical proofs: Genesis 8:21; Psalm 51 (especially verse 5); Jeremiah 17:9; Romans 3:10 and 3:23; St. Matthew 19:17; St. Mark 10:18 and St.Luke 18:19.

          Note especially the Gospel verses, where Our Lord and Saviour HIMSELF Says: “…None is good, save one, God.” If He, THE Only-Begotten Son of God the Father Tells us as much, who are we to gainsay Him??

          • Julie LaBrecque

            On the basis of scripture. “Lord, who may abide in your tent? Who may dwell on your holy mountain?” “Whoever walks without blame, doing what is right, speaking truth from the heart; who does not slander with his tongue, does no harm to a friend, never defames a neighbor; Who disdains the wicked, but honors those who fear the Lord; Who keeps an oath despite the cost, lends no money at interest, accepts no bribe against the innocent. Whoever acts like this shall never be shaken.” Psalm 15. Will you state that Mary was intrinsically evil? What about Jesus? What about Joseph, John the Baptist, Jeremiah, Enoch, Elijah…?

          • Higlac

            Most DEFINITELY NOT Jesus Himself, as He Was – and Is – BOTH God and Man!!!!

            The others (Mary, Joseph and all the other Saints, Prophets, Apostles, &c.) escape because of that God Was Dwelling IN THEM!!! When He Dwells in somebody – AS LONG AS the person in question does not act of his own volition but on that of God – the man or woman in question is safe. However, the INSTANT a transgression occurs, the human being’s innate evil surfaces, requiring complete and total repentance and rededication to God before things can be restored.

            That the message of Mankind without God being so intrinsically evil (being mentioned no less than SEVEN times – and I have the feeling it’s yet more – in the Bible) is one nobody can ignore or be lenient with.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            So not all are intrinsically evil.

          • Higlac

            ONLY IF AND WHEN God is Indwelling in them that aren’t – NO other situation The very INSTANT God Is Out of them, back into evil they slip!!!!

  • PaulF

    Certainly we need to deal with the spiritual roots and not only with the symptoms. That is what Elijah did on Mount Carmel. After three and a half years of drought and famine the people were on the point of being wiped out. Elijah pinpointed the spiritual root: They were honoring so called ‘fertility’ gods and had forgotten the only living and true God who had been revealed to them. Once he demonstrated that Yahweh is the only true God, and once they all proclaimed this, he ordered the slaughter of all of the prophets of the false gods. ‘Don’t let one of them escape.’ Then the tide began to turn. The clouds gathered, the rains came, the deadly threat had been brought to an end.
    I don’t believe we Christians should be slaughtering those who have been deceived into following demon gods. We all deserve to die for our sins, but Christ has died on our behalf, to justify us.
    But we should be acting to deal with the spiritual roots, not only with the symptoms. With that I fully agree. The time is coming, we know it from Scripture prophecy, when all the rulers of the earth will come under the gentle kingship of Christ. May that time come soon, and may all who believe in the Name pray and work toward its coming.

  • Delta Rain

    Thank you, Theo-ology. You have evolved. I see where you are. Many of us are not there yet. But I do believe that is where our growth in our Spirit of Christ is supposed to be moving towards. I think it’s our rebellious nature to be independent individuals which does put a block in the path and lead to our transgressions and iniquities.

    • Delta Rain

      Still wrestling with this. Jesus called every disciple publically and individually, by name, to follow Him, to leave everything of his former life. We also know that some had families who chose to also be followers. Many women who kept the home comforts of cooking and washing, followed Jesus.. He recognized and uplifted women’s status. He looked at us (notice that I’m using a collective ‘we’ here?) and He spoke to us as men did not do in those days. He let us know how precious and loved we were by God. We were not cattle, but human beings created with His Love. In fact, I would say more women immediately recognized Him as our Messiah then the men. Mary of Bethany was a devoted disciple and Jesus defended her choice of sitting at his feet, listening to him instead of helping Martha with the household task of serving. The love of Christianity is a collective love, true, but what draws our souls in devotion to Him, with complete humbleness, is His individualized love for each and everyone of us. Knowing that He died for me humbles me to tears because I’m so unworthy and I will never deny Him. The ‘self’ that we must deny are our worldly desires and pride found in self-love AKA: egos. Collective society by men will never be achieved. Only when Jesus returns will that transpire. So we are recognized as individuals by God who wants our choice, given freely, to believe in Him and profess Him as our Savior and Lord and Master of our lives. .. A society, serving God first, determines the survival of that society. Fellowship in worship and to help guide each other is necessary. So each one of us must strive daily to serve Him while denying ourselves. But…God will hold each of us responsible for our own discernment of obedience. We are Individuals to God and striving for the collectiveness of Spirit in fellowship by recognizing that we serve Christ by serving our fellow Christian brothers and sisters. So our lives, devoted to Him, is as constantly vigilant Individuals as well as the fellowship of Collectivism. Jesus said it is a narrow path….Yes, indeed, it is

      • susan

        So which should we put first? Ourselves? Or our neighbor?

        • Catbr

          Hard to do sometimes, but Jesus said we should love our neighbors as ourselves. This puts us on equal footing. One not better than the other.

          • susan

            Hmmm. 😉

  • John Galt

    He has confused individualism with multiculturalism and narcissism (both evil). Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Just not lest ye be judged. These are philosophically individualistic bible passages that logically produce Christian love. Jesus died for my sins and it is ultimately individual self interest that makes you or I be grateful for what he did for us. Experiencing the grace of God causes a person to desire spreading that same love. When the individual is sinking, and Jesus throws you the lifeline of salvation, it is this moment that makes you value God the most. This causes your “selfish” interests to be replaced by sacrificial love because YOU are loved by God.

    God does not care if you are compelled to do good under threat of force by the men running the collective. He only cares if your INDIVIDUAL heart truly desires to do good out of your love of Christ. He has also confused love with force, which is incredibly dangerous, as his own citations prove.

    All forms of collectivism are the evils he needs to be focused on. There is no such thing as a Christian collective of men only. Because a collective is operated under pure force, it is not love that motivates. It is only the force imposed by other men. (Keep in mind I’m not saying that force is evil, it is necessary at times, I’m saying that the force of men should not be the motivator of your good works or your worship of God. It should only be motivated by your love of God)

    • susan

      These concepts are difficult to put in words which is why it pleases me to see Ted explain it. This is a conversation that needs to have a lot of back and forth in order to clarify our perceptions, opinions and experiences. Why would a collective “have” to operate under pure force? Are we not under God’s laws regardless of whether our nation’s laws agree? If i break a law and embezzle hundreds of millions of dollars and am sentenced to seven years imprisonment, does that fulfill God’s requirement of restitution for all the widowers I swindled out of their life savings? Do we not say, rightly so, that they will receive God’s judgement in the next life? Wouldn’t it be better, if as a collective, the widowers could gather together and divide the thief’s property among themselves according to God’s laws of restitution? (Two-fold, etc.) People hear the words “collectivism” and “God’s laws” and fear chokes them, anger stirs in their hearts, “No!! We will not have any part of this! Who made you judge over us?”

      We still have a long way to go. (Sighs)

      • John Galt

        I think you have misunderstood my post. I pointed out that force is necessary and justified as it would be in your example. However, force, in the hands of man, is a corrupting and dangerous thing. Like fire, it can be useful when properly restrained, but very deadly when unrestrained. That is why civilized societies limit the application of force ONLY to the initiation of force. Embezzlement is the initiation of force, so it is justly met with force. And most judges in the US will sentence restitution and jail time. Their property is forcibly confiscated and given to the widows in your example. So what exactly are you objecting to? As far as I can tell we are in agreement. My main point was Ted’s desire to use force against ideas in addition to actions.

        • susan

          Thank you John. I was thinking about Enron and the man who swindled all those investors. Do you remember his name? And i do agree with you on this. But i will also take it further and say wouldn’t it have been nice to have prevented this from going as far as it did? One thing I’ve noticed about evil—huge lies. Huge. And people believe. Just like the emperor with no clothes. Wouldn’t we prefer to stop a nuclear bomb in the planning stages? Or should we wait until it goes off in the football stadium? These seem like no brainers but the idea was taught and tolerated. Anyway. Gotta run. Thank you John Galt. :).

  • John Galt

    Did Christ instruct us to kill all sinners and unbelievers, or to love them? Which one, Ted? What is also shocking as I watch this video is, if you just replace the word “Christianity” with the word “Islam,” Ted sounds exactly like every typical jihadist out there. I didn’t think Christian Jihad was actually a thing, but Ted certainly thinks there is.

    I like a lot of posts here but this one goes way off course.

    • The really slim shady

      This is the exact sentiment ive been picking up.
      You said it so much better than me!
      I never knew how militant Catholicism is, should have, but i didnt.

      Thanks John Galt – even though i still dont know who you are.

      • Catbr

        Dig in deep and hurl away.

      • eassa

        I haven’t seen you name on site lately but I have been too busy to read many articles. I posted a comment in response to Ted’s video. I enjoy Ted but couldn’t agree on his idea of government.

        • The really slim shady

          Hey eassa,
          I havent been on here a ton. Ive started a new job, so my time tables are much different now.

          Yeah, although i love the idea of Christians running governments – history has shown us that Christendom hasnt been a very merciful leader either.
          And that we can see by talk of killing sinners – something were not called to do.
          Governments wont be good until Christ returns.

          • eassa

            Amen. Blessings with the new job.

    • Catbr

      Well this is insulting.

      • John Galt

        Why?

        • Catbr

          I thought that calling Ted an islamist jihadist was a little too much.

          • John Galt

            I suppose I can concede that at least his intentions are in the right place. However, his tactics are not. The medieval church, observing the rapid spread of islam, adopted many of the same jihadist tactics. It’s clear that Ted’s study of church history led him to justify such things. The medieval church did much good, but also frequently deviated from the gospel. The forceful, jihadist tactics used by the church are indefensible.

    • susan

      “Did Christ instruct us to kill ALL sinners and unbelievers, or to love them”? Emphasis mine.

      Not every sin is worthy of death. When searching for a babysitter, how many parents would deliberately choose “proud pedophile” from the babysitter ads? Or a “beastiality is sexy” dog walker ad? Or hire a taxi from “Dan the lovesick Raper”? Or put your beloved mother’s body into the “Necro-romance funeral parlor. Are their “individual” ideas good for us, our families, our neighbors, the collective? Why do you consider Ted a jihadist when he discusses Christianity under individual liberty vs collectivism?

      • John Galt

        Correct me if I’m wrong but it sounds like you are equating individual liberty with moral relativism. If so, you have misunderstood my post since I did not advocate the latter in any way.

        • susan

          :). Do you see how we can get lost in “definitions”? When it’s really just two choices? Light vs Dark. Good vs. Evil. Definitions. :).

    • eassa

      I agree. One nation in the history of the world brought about the finest form of government and America would be highly blessed if we would return to it.
      I posted a comment to Ted also. Perhaps he will think a bit more about his idea and see the danger at the heart of his form of government.

  • Michael Powell

    You took a very interesting turn at about 9:10. I’ll say this; individual life does matter, the body collectively does feel the repurcussions for good or for ill. I have always believed this: I will always suggest that a woman have her child. However, if she chose otherwise, I would pray that that decisions one day convicted her before God, as I believe it does. Countless testimonies say as much; the sting of death is felt. In cases where it is not, God have mercy on them.

    • Michael Powell

      Nice analogy at 14:50; not unlike the unleavened loaf.

    • Michael Powell

      You could say the same for most any -ism you chose, really.

  • Higlac

    I can see reason for Wagner and Chaykóvskiy to be attacked. Yes, both were not the best of characters, yet their music IS sublime and which surely will continue to edify as well as thrill audiences and musicians for a very, very, very LONG time to come… The same applies to the art of Leonardo da Vinci in painting.

    In the end, it ALL comes back down to Mankind’s being evil when it’s without God…

  • Eric Mueller

    When I was in grade school, which was 10+ years ago, I read and learned something about Individualism versus a collectivism of sorts. I remember that they had weird and funny looking names but cannot find or remember the exact terminology right now. I just remember thinking, “Oh, sure would be nice to live in a society where people help each other out and are like family.” You know, kind of like how the Amish live but with all our technology today. Anyway while trying to find the specific terminology I was looking for I came across these websites, if anyone is interested.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hofstede%27s_cultural_dimensions_theory

    http://culturematters.com/what-is-individualism/

    http://www.via-web.de/individualism-versus-collectivism/

    http://www.clearlycultural.com/geert-hofstede-cultural-dimensions/individualism/

    http://freedomkeys.com/collectivism.htm

    • susan

      Thank you Eric.

    • Eric Mueller

      Aha! I found the terminology I was looking for in one of my old textbooks. It is too late for me right now to go into great detail but here they are: Gemeinschaft and Gesellschaft. [Told you they were weird looking terms! : – ) ] It is Gemeinschaft that I found myself wishing to be a part of when I read about it 6 years ago.

      • Eric Mueller

  • richinnameonly

    “Freedom” needs to fit within God’s will, or it will just be destructive in the long term.

  • PelayoHSV

    Note: the was a Protestant government with Queen Elizabeth. She persecuted Catholics relentlessly.

    Second, as a Christian you are supposed to start with the family. His Law in the home, then the community at large, then the nation. If your government is not Christian, you are still obliged to live by His Law personally, in your home, and always seek Christian justice and law in your community and beyond.

    You will be pressured by the devil, spiritually and physically, through doubts and fear as well as threats from other humans, to not stand for Christ and His Law in its fullness. That is the battle, the challenge. It is where Glory is had, in hanging onto the Cross and Truth no matter what comes, even martyrdom.

    • Grandmere

      Bloody Mary Tudor didn’t do too bad herself. Remember?

  • Grandmere

    What should be done within the church concerning the rooting out and execution of pedophile priests and ministers? What should be done with the lavender movement? This is just one example of the Body of Christ being injured and the faith being held up to ridicule. Do you advocate burning at the stake? I am confused.

    • susan

      The priests and ministers should be severed from their roles—so they can no longer commit their wicked deeds. The openly defiant ones are easy, it’s the rotten ones hiding that need inquisition. And with slander so common now a days, how do we expose the unrighteous and protect the righteous?

      • Grandmere

        Should they be sent to prison?

        • Higlac

          If I had my way, most absolutely YES, yes, yes, yes and yes again!!!!

          They need to be so punished (even to the point of live-cremation) as having offended BOTH against individuals AND the church collective!!!

          It’s one thing if they sin with fellow consenting adults IN SECRET (i.e., in their bedrooms); however, the INSTANT a minor and/or consent is in question, the rules MUST change!!! This is redoubled when they also spew false teachings both by precept (e.g., false theology) and by example. [I’ll absolutely NEVER, EVER, EVER forget what I witnessed of a lesbian “ministrix” doing harm to a congregation which once upon a time was very dear to me…]

          Furthermore, while part of me may be an individualist, I also recognise that when a church-collective is involved on precisely the grounds Mr. Theodore Shoebat has stated, that too has to be taken into consideration. Those who thus try to sneak into the collective to do such harm do deserve the extra punishment on the grounds of their having committed a crime as being akin to treason.

          • Grandmere

            Why has the church not handed them over for criminal prosecution by civil law?

          • mspip

            a very good question!

          • Higlac

            If you’re speaking about a specific case, it’s one thing.

            Here I’m speaking about the entire time the Lavender Mafia has been active (roughly 100 years) – which matches and parallels the record of bad and sub-standard clergy in the entire Christian church (regardless of branch or denomination). I can vouch here for enough prelates and other ecclesiastical people NOT reporting such criminals to the secular authorities, to various colleagues, synods and superiors.

            Note, for example, how when obvious “Episcopalian” Marxist heretics like JAT Robinson, Pike, Spong and Righter surfaced, the bulk of “The Episcopal” Organization’s bishops and other authorities categorically REFUSED to bring up heresy charges and proceedings against those wretches!!! FAR too many of their colleagues went as far as to say that the whole concept of heresy was “passé” – which most certainly was, and is, NOT the case: not now, nor then, nor ever!!!! [Heresy and apostasy ALWAYS REMAIN those things: heresy and apostasy.]

            As we saw with the “Episcopalians”, so have we seen with the “mainstream” Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodists, Congregationalists and even some Baptists when it comes to Protestantism. Nor have the other two branches escaped: MANY Catholics and even some Orthodox have been likewise snared.

            If the situation described here pertains to the USA, similar and equivalent evils have occurred THROUGHOUT the Western world and beyond – thanks to Mankind worshipping HIMSELF, a MAJOR result of humanism and leading into Marxism and the rest of those anti-God philosopher types!!!!

            In fact, this whole cycle of re-introducing heresy and apostasy into Christianity was DELIBERATELY PLOTTED by the Marxists (especially those in academe and working in such places like the University of Frankfurt-am-Main – hence its being known as “The Frankfurt School”) as one of the means to undermine and kill our entire Judæo-Christian, Western civilisation.

            Almost certainly this won’t truly cover the whole picture to a satisfactory degree; hopefully it will be a start…

        • susan

          Where else would you have them go? Although now, homosexuality is a protected perversion.

        • Catbr

          Yes. If the law is broken they should be tried in court and dealt with as severely as possible. Doesn’t matter. They are not above the law.

          • Grandmere

            Why has the church not had them tried and sent to prison?

          • Catbr

            They are going to court and to prison. I’ve read about some of this over the last couple of years. People who are convicted of these horrendous offences do not get harsh enough sentences.

          • susan

            Good question.

  • Marcos Filipe Guerra

    I agree. That’s why I stated once that a law need to be made for the society to protect infants from hurtful ideology. Like the homosexual agenda, communism, socialism, Islam, etc. If that is made true, any citizen can act to protect the whole. Law must uphold christian beliefs and good examples. Law should protect the military from the mind from even the leader of the State. Military are to protect the nation’s beliefs and the people. The letter of Independence, in the case of the US, for example. If any men want to rise above that letter, that person should be considered a traitor and should be hanged. That’s what I believe would be ideal for western society. Laws that encourage the nation to act and protect the country from evil people and belief.

  • susan

    Insults? No ideas? No other thoughts? What are you? A drive by shooter?

  • susan

    Wow Theodore! You certainly don’t shy away from difficult subjects. Whether it’s against societal “norms” or expressing in words concepts that don’t lend themselves very easily to typical expressions. The illustrations from the Bible make more sense to me now thanks to your explanations of individualism and…oops, i forgot which word you used. Lol. See what you’re up against? 😉

  • susan

    Does God’s justice force people to hell….if there was no Savior for us?

  • Diana

    To keep a Biblical perspective and avoid the noxious “holier-than-thou” attitude that also offends the nostrils of the Almighty, I think we need to remember that God, in His mercy, has given us better leadership than we deserve. I’m firmly persuaded that all the treachery, debauchery, etc. that we now see in the political realm is simply a reflection of what God sees in Americans in the spiritual realm. That realm includes Christians.

    We recently saw the removal of the Ten Commandments from the Oklahoma. We commonly respond with, “those dastardly deed-doers are at it again!”, but we, as a people and as a nation, abandoned the Ten Commandments from our hearts, our hearths, our homes, and our churches long before civil government followed suit in the schools, court-houses, and capitols, and in lieu of these Commandments, we’ve settled for this moral cesspool run by a band of homosexual, psycho-fascists Miscreants and their 10,000 man-made rules so people can see they can’t survive under their own statutes.

    In short – and you can quote me – we have brought this on ourselves, and every time our political leaders commit another foul deed, we should be prompted to 1) turn off our TV sets, 2) fall on our faces before God, and 3) ask Him to show us our secret sin and cleanse us from it.

    • Catbr

      Not all people have abandoned the 10 commandments. Most people who go to church believe in the 10 commandments and follow them. This is the collectiveness that Theodore is making reference to, I think. Many people also do not settle for homosexual supremacy or accept transgenderism (not sure if this is a word) which is what the lgbt is trying to do.

      • Diana

        You’re right. As long as the church remains on earth, it will keep the evil at bay to a point.

  • Higlac

    NONSENSE!!!!

    It’s PRECISELY the Christian basis from which Messieurs Theodore and Walid Shoebat are arguing that will prevent them from doing anything of the sort. If they or anybody like them try something like this, they lose their Christian base; and the same thing inhibits me from thinking in such terms.

    No, your REAL enemies will be the Moslems.

  • Julie

    So true….but the concept of the constitutional republic is being wiped out…and so many coming in from third world countries and beyond….for a purpose to eliminate it.

  • Zuzana

    I thought that individualism had its basis in Christianity. We are each individually responsible before our Lord and only one other individual Jesus was capable to atone for our sins. I also came from communism and lots of damage was caused by colectivism. In all other ideologies colectivism has caused damage. Masses get brainwashed? Of course we all need to go back to the Bible to seek how then we shall live but that is not an issue of individualism of collectivism. Also in entrepreneurship or design and engineering, you always have a couple of individuals that move forward. If there is a good understanding of values then there is no harm. The problem is if those individuals have no fear of our Lord. I still need to listen to the end though. Looking forward to it.

  • Catbr

    Your post is very anti RC. You said somewhere that you are Orthodox. Aren’t Orthodox and RC supposed to be united at some point? If all orthodox believe and think like you, a unification will never, ever happen not in a million years.

    • Higlac

      MANY Orthodox, especially of the Russian persuasion, deeply and most bitterly hate Romanism and Romanists – if they had their way, the whole branch would be annihilated!!! They DON’T believe in ANY ecumenism with anybody outside of Orthodoxy and consider themselves “top dog”, disdaining even the Patriarch of Constantinople.

      With such, there truly can NEVER be any dialogue or mercy: only God Can Do things with them…

      • Catbr

        This is not good. Surely there must be a way to bridge the gap, make suitable compromises or at least accept that there is a difference in some things but overall agreement on most things. If there is an agreement say to 80 or 90 % this should merit a more than friendly dialogue, almost seeing eye to eye. I hope things will change. Unification is possible. It will happen amongst the level headed on both sides.

        • susan

          The Master physician will painfully seal them together at the mouth. One will still be upper and the other will still be lower. At the mouth, they will be one. Perfectly sealed by Him.

  • Kamau41

    The concept of individualism is evil. We definitely do need a revival of Christian Collectivism, especially out here in the West. Excellent job of delving deep and explaining the difference between the two concepts.

  • susan

    When did they try it? Did they do it in Jesus’ day?

    • Grandmere

      The first settlers in America tried it. It was a miserable failure

  • susan

    Well, since you have no questions, I’ll just move on.

  • Dean Marais

    in other words… christian sharia. do you not realize this is exactly
    what isis practices? you are just putting a christian stamp on it.
    Pretty sure most of the martyrs in history were killed by collectivist
    societies, christian or otherwise.

    • “christian sharia”

      Morons always concocts oxymorons.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Do I need to remind you of the words of St. Irenaeus?

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Clueless.

  • PelayoHSV

    Wrong, what absolute hogwash. Read the entirety of the passage. The entire passage is talking about GODLY Authority, aka that authority which implements God’s Law and His Justice and morality. It is not talking about evil people in power, or those who reject God and His Law.

    It’s amazing how easy it is to refute abject lies and silliness like that. Read the entire passage. Don’t cherry-pick, isolate a verse and then scream nonsense.

  • Trevor

    Sincerely, I have no idea what was said in the video since I am deaf, however, to say that individualism is evil leaves me scratching my head.

    We all are uniquely made in the image of God, we all are given free will to make a choice to either follow God or the devil, and that’s a choice we make down the minute daily.

    When Joshua’s time drew near, he called the house of Israel and gave an address. Near the end of his address, he said, “And if it seem evil to you to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD,” Joshua 24:15, emphasis mine.

    Moses also in his address to Israel said, “I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live; that you may love the LORD your God, that you may obey His voice, and that you may cling to Him, for He is your life and the length of your days, and that you may dwell in the land which the LORD swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give them,” Deuteronomy 30:19-20, emphasis mine.

    When Moses and Joshua strongly encouraged to choose life, they weren’t talking about being pro-life, because after all, they have had to kill pagan people, which included babies, in order to remove and cleanse the land of paganism for the Israel to inherit. Whenever one individual disobey an order as Achan did after the Israelites defeated Jericho, it has an impact on the whole nation, as they were defeated in their battle due to Achan’s disobedience, making an individual choice does impact a community as whole.

    David is another example of making a poor decision that nobody forced him to do when he lusted, seduced, and bedded Bathsheba (who also made a poor decision in bathing in the sight of the palace and going to David in the first place), and then David compounded his error by trying to manipulate his captain, who was a man of great integrity who chose to sleep on the floor instead of bedding his wife as the king ordered, and finally had the captain killed on the front line, which greatly displeased the Lord. As the prophet Nathan confronted David about his adultery, Nathan made a prediction the sword wouldn’t depart from David’s household, and David’s individual decision impacted a nation as civil war broke out between David and his rebellious son.

    All of this, I could be arguing against individualism since the examples cited suggest that individualism wrecked havoc on a nation. Let me use Mary and Joseph, both individuals who each made a decision that changed the course of human history. When Mary was told she was chosen to bear the Seed, that is Christ, she accepted it by faith, and then she had to depend on Joseph making the correct decision, since under Moses’ Laws, Joseph had every right to divorce Mary. Joseph must had wrestled with doubts and fear until the angel repeated the same message Mary received. When given that information, Joseph had a choice to make, and he wisely chose to obey God and remained married to Mary. Both of them, alone, decided their fate, the fate of Christ, and since then, Christ has and continue to change lives.

    We are all part of something greater than ourselves. We live in a community of people. The choice we makes do impact the community at large.

    The problem is…we are all given a choice to do good or evil. As Christians, we should always, always be encouraged to do good by obeying God, to do good works, and to be a light before men. When some Christians make choices that goes contrary to the Word of God, we have a duty and right to confront them so they could either repent and relent, or be cast out as a profane thing. We know that we are all going to stand before the judgement seat of Christ, and will be required to give accounts for what we have done in our bodies, whether they be good or evil (2 Corinthians 5:10), we know that when we make a willful decision to indulge in sin, we receive a fearful expectation of judgement from God (Hebrews 10:27), and when we have false teachers and prophets, who knowing God’s truth, continue to persist in errors, they will be fated to everlasting damnation (2 Peter 2:21, see also the epistle of Jude).

    When Christ and all of His saints return, to establish the everlasting David kingdom and rule in truth and justice, to reward those who diligently followed Christ by obedience and striving daily to do good through faith and grace, to put an end to lawlessness by destroying them, and finally we will experience the true peace that the world has longed for. Mankind have tried for centuries to create peace without God, without His divine Law, and without the Truth of Christ, it all ended in miserable failure, and it will continue to do so until the Blessed and Glorious Appearing of our God, Savior, and Lord Jesus Christ.

  • Julie

    Thanks…we have corrupt majority both native, immigrant and illegals who will vote against constitution and our way of life in next ‘election’.

  • Julie

    The majority is not upholding the republic.

  • OrthodoxKGC2015

    The roots of Individualism as expressed in American culture lie in Protestant Anti-Theology. Society itself is disintegrating in America precisely because it isn’t a society in the traditionally accepted meaning of the world, but America is instead a collection of individuals loosely united by a belief in the social perfectibility of their atomized selves… And this is literally meaningless insanity.

    America, to be truly Christian, must jettison the lies of the truly evil ‘Founding Fathers’, and get rid of the Ideology that blinds American Christians to the realities of the world around them.

    End the American Revolution.

    • susan

      Atomized self. :D. Good one! Individualism must place it’s hands upon the cross. Not one hand. Both. :);). The collective must place their hands upon the cross through each other. I’m not sure how to explain the collective. Can you help me?

  • susan

    They also have that in Saudi Arabia. And most sharia countries. We (the U.S.) allow the individual their freedom to believe in the devil’s lies to our own great peril. Christianity, in a collective, would discover, investigate and prevent this lie from contaminating the whole—which it would (contaminate)(do)—one individual at a time…over time. We view (support) the the individual’s right over the collective. And in the battle of light and darkness, good vs evil. There ARE only Two choices. We shouldn’t get bogged down in the details. And we do. This is why the devil has been so successful in removing Christian values in our nation. Individual FIRST we scream…and the devil smiles and takes his place…FIRST in line.

  • Catbr

    It could lead to tyranny in the wrong hands, but not necessarily in the right hands. People could soon figure this out.

  • “christian collectivism = theocracy. I have read plenty of history as well, and what i said is true.”

    What you said is false. There is no Christian Sharia. If there was, you would proved it. You didn’t. You failed.

    “i dig alot of what yall talk about on your blog, thats why i read it,”

    Well, we failed in healing your error.

    “but why you assume your ideas are above judgement is beyond me.”

    If I was assuming that our ideas is beyond judgment I would have blocked your comments. I didn’t. I welcomed it. But nevertheless, its an oxymoron. It is like saying Capitalistic Communism. There is no such thing. The same of Christian Sharia. It does not exist. Instead of living with my response, pondering it, thinking about it, you raised a shield and a sword.

    “Theodore is radical …”

    And when you can’t answer you resort of painting your brother and labeling him. This is the method of radicals.

    “and while i appreciate alot of his radical ideas (because i “dont hear them in church” haha) i think its only appropriate that people question them from time to time.”

    Well, you didn’t question, you didn’t refute, you simply accused, falsely.

    At any rate, take it easy, this is an open forum where you can speak frankly and openly, like men.

  • Indeed. But when one does not refute and elaborates in showing error, they are just as stupid. Just to say “stupid” without showing stupidity is also stupid, don’t you think? In other words, get off your lazy ass quick strike of the keyboard and guide. Or are you one of these couch potatoes with a big mouth and a lard ass who knows nothing but the word “stupid”?

  • susan

    What you say is truth. How to explain it is the question.

    • OrthodoxKGC2015

      It isn’t easy to express too clearly because of my, of our, fallen propensity to Egoism, to Sin. But, if we contemplate the Holy Trinity in His Three Personhood Deity, we have the very Ideal and Real Society, because we are called by Him to be caught up into and live that very same life that He lives within Himself. Awesome and Mysterious, this call to Glory!

      And yet it is so, If we believe rightly of Christ.

      • susan

        Thank you 🙂

  • “the fascist trend in his rhetoric is exceedingly disturbing to those of us who hold to a very different vision of the world …”

    Actually your rhetoric is exceedingly slanderous and disturbing. Bolshevism is the mortal enemy of the Church as much as of Fascism which we at Shoebat.com oppose both. Spreading noxious odors is not lady like is it IronMaiden.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    So if I’m told by my government to abort babies I should obey?

  • Julie LaBrecque

    You believe that everyone is intrinsically evil? Would you state that Mary was intrinsically evil? St. Joseph? Enoch? Elijah? Baptism washes away the stain of original sin.

    • Higlac

      While I’ve heard that idea (of the stain of Original Sin being washed away by Baptism) a number of times, may I humbly ask you, Ms. LaBrecque, to give the reasoning behind that statement so that we all can see and verify it for ourselves?

      Many thanks in advance.

      • Julie LaBrecque

        “Repent, and be BAPTIZED every one of you in the name of
        Jesus Christ so that your SINS MAY BE FORGIVEN:
        and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit” Acts 2:38. “Then they that gladly received his word were BAPTIZED, and that same day there were added 3,000 souls.” Acts 2:41. “I will sprinkle you with clean WATER and you will be CLEAN
        from all your filthiness…” Ezekiel 36:25. “Do you not know that as many of us as which have been BAPTIZED into Christ Jesus were BAPTIZED INTO HIS DEATH? Therefore, we have been buried with Him by BAPTISM into death, so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.” Romans 6:3-4 “not because of any righteous deeds we had one but because of his mercy, he saved us through the BATH of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.” Titus 3:5. “…during the building of the ark, in which a few persons, eight in all, were SAVED THROUGH WATER. This prefigured BAPTISM which now SAVES you.” 1 Peter 3:20-21

      • Julie LaBrecque

        The reasoning is that Adam sinned and his sin has passed through the generations. That is why scripture (Ephesians 2:3) states that we are born children of wrath, and that nothing unclean will enter heaven (Rev 21:7)

  • Julie LaBrecque

    2. Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its preeminent authority, that is, the faithful everywhere, inasmuch as the tradition has been preserved continuously by those [faithful men] who exist everywhere.

    Against Heresies, Book III, Chapter 3

  • OrthodoxKGC2015

    Funny that you open up with ‘ad hominem’ attacks without actually even attempting to counter anyone’s arguments. More proof that so-called ‘rationalist’ secular liberalism is just weak and effete emotional bathos without logical arguments, just squishy ‘feelings’….

  • eassa

    Ted, I enjoy listening to you and hearing your ideas.
    I believe that perhaps the problem with the system of government you are describing is that there is no human capable of ruling in this manner because the nature of mankind is evil. Men are sinful by nature and the problem is that even in the body of Christ, the various denominations do not agree with each other on many issues. If there are believers who call each other heretics for certain reasons and so forth, how could we hope to have a government run by a particular person, who has his certain religious beliefs to which others disagree. . .who is the winner and who will end up running the show?
    We can look to history to show us the outcome when certain religious groups of people want to dominate according to their particular religious beliefs. It never could bring about peace for the people. What ensures the people that the chosen leaders would not become corrupt and rule according to their corruption by force? We do not have to search into the nature of mankind to see how quickly any person can change. Just a little for instance: a man and woman fall deeply inlove, they become husband and wife with all good intentions and aspirations, but one day, they find that they absloutely hate each other and want out of the marriage, no matter what. Same thing can happen with men who want to rule in a godly, just manner, but in a very narrow definition of a particular Christian belief, which would be defined by themselves.

    Honestly, what our Founders hammered out in the pages of so many of their letters and documents is the wisest form of governance ever created on the face of the earth. These Founders were believers, who all understood they were Founding a Christian nation, nothing less. However, their wisdom was that the government was not to interfere with any of the various Christian denominational doctrines or force one of these donominations creeds on all the rest. The last 100 or so years what the Founders developed has been under attack and twisted.
    Now the problem with what you are suggesting is: whose Christian rules rule? We could solve our national problems if we would strip out most of the ruling being made in the last 100 or so years but we would still be faced with the huge problem of sin in our nation. The kind of nation we were given will only work in a godly society, right? So the real question we should be asking is how can we become a godly nation again? Each of us would have to turn from whatever sinful practices we participate in, and to know what Jesus considers as sin, we would all have to begin to study and meditate on the Word of God.
    What is the whole duty of mankind? I think it can be summed up fairly easily in Micah 6:8 “He has showed you, O man, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.” or perhaps Ecclesiastes 12:13 “Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man.”
    And for those of you on this site who have called me a “heretic” for using the NIV, please refer to the NKJV or whatever version you like. How could we come to a peaceful national religious rule if we are willing to treat someone as a “heretic” due to the version of the bible they use. Just a little personal example of why this form of government wouldn’t work.
    One comment I read and agree with is that when King Jesus returns, then we will have the sort of governments you and I dream of. We will have the one and only Perfect King, who will rule with all authority and kindness, power and love. Personally, it can’t be too soon for me. Come Lord Jesus. See how our prayers speed the return of Jesus?!

  • eassa

    I think that maybe you and bible thumper are saying the same thing, that a nation under the One True God and Jesus came about only one time, at the Founding of America. Might be a good idea for all of us to begin to read the writings of the Founders. Read their personal letters, Federist Papers, Constitution and a host of other origional writings.
    Do you know how many of the men who signed the Constitution were preachers? Do you know how many phrases used in the Founding Documents came from titles of sermons? Our founders were very righteous Christians who did not want a particular Christian denomination to control the government. That did not mean that they wanted nothing to do with the Christian faith in the workings of the government. Check out the religious services that were routinely held in our government buildings. Church services held in these places. It would change the way we all understand our government if we would read these Founding Documents.
    The 2 main books used in the first schools were the Bible and Pilgrim’s Progress.
    Schools and modern history books are hiding the truth from the people, they do not like the truth and do not want us to understand our Founding and why it has been that our nation has been so highly blessed above all nations until the last 40 or so years.

  • Moral Monkey

    You ‘did a video’ proving you don’t understand that there’s not much difference between collectivism and communism, and demonstrating that you are just as immoral (if not worse) as the Islamists seeking to establish a world-encompassing caliphate. Pat yourself on the back kid, you’ve shown that you don’t deserve a seat at the big kids table.

  • OrthodoxKGC2015

    Sound like a Sodomite full of rage.

  • susan

    What do you believe in? Yourself? Do you REALLY know yourself….in every possible scenario?

  • PelayoHSV

    Romans 13:

    1Let every soul be subject to higher powers: for there is no power but from God: and those that are, are ordained of God.

    2 Therefore he that resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God. And they that resist, purchase to themselves damnation.

    3 For princes are not a terror to the good work, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? Do that which is good: and thou shalt have praise from the same.

    4 For he is God’s minister to thee, for good. But if thou do that which is evil, fear: for he beareth not the sword in vain. For he is God’s minister: an avenger to execute wrath upon him that doth evil.

    5 Wherefore be subject of necessity, not only for wrath, but also for conscience’ sake.

    6 For therefore also you pay tribute. For they are the ministers of God, serving unto this purpose.