Jesus Christ Declared That Turkey Is The Seat Of Satan, He Will Return And Destroy The Satanic Empire Of Islam

By Walid Shoebat (Shoebat Sunday Special PART II Continuation of PART I)

When it comes to making it to heaven the two schools in Christendom offer the same exact view with two slightly different takes. While both Catholics and Protestants teach that “believing in Christ” takes one to heaven; the slight difference is that the Catholic school teaches that the word “believe” entails obeying every single instruction Christ commanded.

Thats it.

These guys say that if you fail to obey every single instruction you then must repent or be permanently banned regardless if you remained virgin all your life. It is for this reason why Catholicism is accused of being the religion of works. Jesus Christ in Matthew 25:1-13 stipulates that in order to make it to heaven no Bridegroom should find his virgin napping on her wedding night preferring to have the lights off. To Jesus this was good enough reason to be locked out of paradise, for good.


This is why in the natural order it is extremely rare to find bridegrooms napping during their wedding nights. It is usually the other way around.

So why does Christ sound stricter on virgin brides than Islam? How could missing a single instruction (napping with the lights off instead of being wide awake with the lights on) become such a major deal breaker with Bridegroom Jesus?

Well, here is how that goes. If the fall of man began by Eve disobeying a single instruction where God said not to eat of one lousy fruit tree; what makes you think that the church age is any exception? Many fall from grace because they disobey a single instruction from God. Here, let me explain in seven thousand words the real reason and the shocking reality as to why these napping virgins turned the lights off at their wedding night:

Ever wonder why at times when you share a clear verse in scripture to most of these virgins they refuse to listen, heed or even pay attention to the verse you are sharing? This is true regardless that the verse is as clear as the sun. They will always respond with this: that all we need is to follow a handful of instructions. They argue that ignoring the rest of the instructions should not effect ones standing with God. In fact you always notice these virgins when they quote the most common verses we all know like John 3:16. You could argue your verse till you are blue at the face, all that virgin is going to do is give you John 3:16 and tell you that that is all you need to know to be saved.

Really? Lets take one instruction they do not share and lets see what happens. Christ said that Pergamum is the “seat of satan” (Revelation 2:12-13). Yet for centuries these rude virgins turned the lights off this one and taught that Rome was the seat of satan instead of Pergamum.

You might think: what’s the big deal?

As the Catholic Encyclopedia questions:

The Papal-Antichrist theory was gradually developed by three historical bodies: the Albigenses, the Waldenses, and the Fraticelli, between the eleventh and the sixteenth centuries: are these the expositors from whom the Church of Christ is to receive the true interpretation of the prophecies?”

You can look up the Albigenses, the Waldenses, and the Fraticelli to find out how nasty these virgins were. The implications of this one intentional twist alone reverses everything. First of all, to proclaim Rome as the seat of satan would transfer satan’s seat of authority to the Church, which was built by Christ and headquartered in Rome. Christ foreknew that the seat of the Church in Asia Minor will seize and will end up becoming the central headquarters for the devil under Islam’s religious order. In fact, this one issue alone directed interpreters for centuries as to how they viewed eschatology. What you will perhaps find amazing is this: with the exception of only the Catholics who focused on Pergamum; Jews, the Messianic, Evangelicals and even Muslims unanimously agreed to nominate Rome as satan’s headquarters instead of Pergamum (satan’s real headquarters). This goes contrary to Christ’s forewarning, Pergamum remained unexposed for all these centuries by these. This is no small issue to ignore.


Listen up. The Boss says its “PERGAMUM”

So lets examine all views; Catholic, Muslims, Protestant, Jewish to see the serious implications:

Way before Protestantism, the Jews adopted an interpretation switching Edom with Rome. Rabbi David Kimchi writes as follows in Obadiam:

“What the Prophets foretold about the destruction of Edom [Arabia] in the last days was intended for Rome, as Isaiah explains (34.1)… For when Rome is destroyed, Israel shall be redeemed.”

In other words, Edom all of a sudden became an allegory for Rome. This is the replacement theology no one tells you about. This switches the curses intended for Islam to the Christian. Rabbi Abraham in his book Tseror Hammor writes:

“Immediately after Rome is destroyed, we shall be redeemed.”

Jewish history explains the Jewish view:

So Rome, Edom, and Christianity became, and are, synonymous with Babylon, and therefore is called mystical Babylon;* … We know too, and are certain that all Protestants first separated themselves and CAME OUT FROM ROME, or the Roman Catholics, in the 16th century, at the Reformation, (so called by Martin Luther) So by this we see Protestants are of the seed of Rome … The Great Wise Men and Rabbis Kimchi, Ibn-Ezra, and Maimonides, and Abarbanel, all unite with the foregoing Scripture testimony in saying, that all the Gentile Christians are the seed, or children, of Esau, or Edom, and that “the prophets did not only prophecy against the land of Edom, which is in the neighborhood of the land of Israel, but against the seed of Rome, or Edom …

If anything switching “Edom” to “Rome” is itself the utter sign of confusion. It is done by the Jewish, Muslim and the Protestant sages. Therefore this type of prejudice always leads many to hell.

The Messianic also picked this up when all they are doing is setting themselves for the great deception. St. Bellarmine quotes Jerome, Gregory, Theodoret, St. Cyril and others who forewarned of the revival of Judaising, the restoration of the Sabbath and how all this will be used by Antichrist to argue he is the true Messiah according to scripture and that he wants to restore the sabbath, levite observances and even animal sacrifices.



The messianic today are excited to see such restorations believing that prophecy is being fulfilled. Reality is  that what is being fulfilled is them being set up for the Antichrist. Who would have ever imagined a few decades ago that we will today have Messianic Judaism sprout as a huge movement globally claiming to “restore all Jewish ceremonies” “want the Sabbath” attack “divine sacrifices” (Eucharist) “openly assault the name of Christ [insisting we must only use Yeshua] and the Sacraments while introducing Jewish ceremonies” opting to follow more of Judaism instead of what was passed down by the fathers.

And if you think that a Messianic Antichrist is farfetched, here, take a look at this Messianic Antichrist:

The Messianic movement is nothing new. History even records them having it their way. These ended up electing a terrible Messianic Antichrist figure. One Messianic who took the helm of Pergamum (Asia Minor) was emperor of the Byzantine Empire named Michael II the Stammerer (770- 829). He was a member of the Athinangoi.

Michael II enforced the Saturday Sabbath on Orthodox Christians, and punished monks and other Church leaders with death and tyranny for doing what he deemed as paganism, that is, having icons and observing Easter.

This is exactly what Messianic movements argue today.

St. Paul warned of this. In fact, the bulk of Galatians 2 deals with such aspiration like the Messianic movement. The utopian Judaizers looks no different than that of the Sharia society of the Muslims.

Judaziers are wont to ceaselessly talk of their fabricated histories, how the Catholic Church murdered “millions” of their people. If they are correct (and they are not), then we would certainly find the utmost of peace and civility under the reign of Judaizing Messianic emperor Michael II.

Whoever doubts what will happen if the Messianic Judaisers took control, they should search the historical record of this man’s rule from primary source accounts like A Synopsis of Byzantine History, by the ancient historian John Skylitzes.

But like all Antichrists, Antiochus Epiphanies (who also ruled Asia Minor), Micahel would mimmic exactly what the Antichrist would do, initiating a false peace treaty. When Michael took power, he promised that he would leave the traditions of the Church, and that he had no intention of changing them. Michael made this statement to the head patriarch, Nikephoros,

Let each one do what seems right and desirable to him, free of punishment and knowing no affliction.

These are all parallels to the coming Antichrist. Michael gave a false sign of peace, and in short time he executed a reign of terror over the Orthodox, killing and imprisoning those who affronted him, and even forbidding children from learning Catholic teachings in order to prevent future generation from condemning his heresies “ordering fasting on Saturdays”, “He ridiculed the feast of salvation-bringing Easter for being celebrated badly and out of season, portraying it as a pagan tradition.” (Skylitzes, A Synopsis of Byzantine History, ch. 3.4, [28]. See also ch. 3.2, [25])

Emperor Michael II with son Theophilos, both Judaizing heretics who killed Christians

Emperor Michael II with son Theophilos, both Judaizing heretics who killed Christians

Only the Catholic view was ‘Pergamum focused’ when it came to Antichrist, while the rest switched up everything to focus on Rome instead.

Lets understand this further. Hippolytus said that Antichrist always imitates Christ:

“Now as our Lord Jesus Christ, who is also God, was prophesied of under the figure of a lion, on account of his royalty and glory, in the same way have the scriptures also beforehand spoken of Antichrist as a lion, on account of his tyranny and violence. For the deceiver seeks to liken himself in all things to the Son of God. Christ is a lion, so Antichrist is also a lion. Christ is a king, so Antichrist is also a king. The Savior was manifested as a lamb, so he too in like manner will appear as a lamb without; within he is a wolf. The Savior came into the world in the circumcision [i.e., the Jewish race], and he will come in the same manner. . . . The Savior raised up and showed his holy flesh like a temple, and he will raise a temple of stone in Jerusalem” (The Antichrist 6 [A.D. 200]).

So in Catholic view, Antichrist will always mimmic Christ. “For as lightning cometh out of the east, and appeareth even into the west: so shall the coming of the Son of man be” (Matthew 24:27). Christ’s kingdom moved like lightening being established from east to west, likewise is His second coming.

Satan also wants to do the same. So he chases after Christ’s seed conquering the Church moving like lightening from east to west. He starts at Pergamum and wants to end up in Rome and is why Christ forewarned that Pergamum will become Satan’s seat. Catholic Rev. FL Gerald’ Culleton in his The Reign of Antichrist states:

The Antichrist would first seize the empire of the East; he would have Jerusalem as his seat and imperial capital. Both the city and the temple were to be rebuilt by him (Culleton, The Reign of Antichrist, p. 115).

The “empire of the east” is Constantinople which was conquered first by satan. This is Pergamum not Rome. Did not the Muslim throughout his history say that he will first seize Constantinople and then he will seize Rome”? Behold, Muhammad’s prophecy foretold by one of his disciples:

“Whilst we were around the Prophet (saw) writing he was asked, ‘Which of the two cities will be opened first, Constantinople or Rome?‘ He (the Prophet Muhammad) answered, ‘The city of Heraclius will be opened first!‘ [Constantinople]”

The “city of Heraclius” was Constantinople. That part of the prophecy, in Muslim eyes, has thus been fulfilled. In Christ’s view, this made Asia Minor remain still the seat and headquarters of satan. But there still remains satan’s unfinished business:

The Great Ottoman, Sultan Muhammad Fatih (rh) fulfilled the first part of this prophecy by conquering Constantinople. Thus, remains the second part. Having been forced out of Andalusia [Spain], and more recently, dispersed across the Balkan states, the city of Gaius Julius Caesar (Rome) remains. So let the da’wah [call to Islam] begin …

The Ottomans have been sitting in the “Empire of the East” (Pergamum) for a while and Erdogan’s July coup seized the power structure. Ezekiel speaks of Gog as “of the land of Magog, chief prince of Meshech and Tubal”. He is not only from Asia Minor, but the Antichrist is the chief prince of it.

One of the greatest Catholic theologians, St. Bellarmine on his work Antichrist, cites Lactantius, (250 A.D – 325 A.D) who explains:

“The Roman name, which now rules the world (the soul shudders to say it, but I will speak on what is going to come), will be abolished from earth, and the Empire overturned in Asia, and again the East will rule and the West will serve it.” 

Only the Catholic has been warning to focus on Pergamum. We have seen the history, and over a millennia after Lactantius, Rome lost the empire in the east (Asia Minor) to Islam. This definitely happened during the first beast, the Ottomans, which will rise again as the second (final) beast.

How can one compare this with the modern prophecy madness, the Jewish and Protestant interpretations to match or even come close to such amazing predictions? This would mean a resurgence in Asia, probably even Asia Minor (Turkey) over Europe. In Book VII Divine Institute Lactantius confirms:

ten kings arise at the same time, who will divide the world, not to govern, but to consume it. These, having increased their armies to an immense extent, and having deserted the cultivation of the fields, which is the beginning of overthrow and disaster, will lay waste and break in pieces and consume all things. Then a most powerful enemy will suddenly arise against him from the extreme boundaries of the northern region [Russia?], who, having destroyed three of that number [from the ten kings] who shall then be in possession of Asia, shall be admitted into alliance by the others, and shall be constituted prince of all.

How Lactantius knew that modernity will move away from farming “deserted the cultivation of the fields” is why we believe this is true prophecy indeed. Antichrist according to Lactantius comes from Asia [Pergamum] and not from Rome. Lactantius even specifically points that Antichrist comes from ancient Syria, which encompassed parts of Asia Minor. Sure Antichrist might rule over Rome, yes, but he does not come from Rome and neither is Rome his seat Pergamum is. The mistake has grave repercussions.

Lactantius even describes how the world during the reign of Antichrist will endure the results of what seems like a nuclear winter which is caused by dust thrown up in the air blocking out sunlight. This will starve all the plants and plankton that rely on sunlight, Lactantius amazingly predicted:

For the atmosphere will be tainted, and become corrupt and pestilential— at one time by unseasonable rains, at another by barren drought, now by colds, and now by excessive heats. Nor will the earth give its fruit to man: no field, or tree, or vine will produce anything; but after they have given the greatest hope in the blossom, they will fail in the fruit. Fountains also shall be dried up, together with the rivers; so that there shall not be a sufficient supply for drinking; and waters shall be changed into blood or bitterness. On account of these things, beasts shall fail on the land, and birds in the air, and fishes in the sea. Wonderful prodigies also in heaven shall confound the minds of men with the greatest terrors, and the trains of comets, and the darkness of the sun, and the colour of the moon, and the gliding of the falling stars. Nor, however, will these things take place in the accustomed manner; but there will suddenly appear stars unknown and unseen by the eyes; the sun will be perpetually darkened, so that there will be scarcely any distinction between the night and the day; the moon will now fail, not for three hours only, but overspread with perpetual blood, will go through extraordinary movements, so that it will not be easy for man to ascertain the courses of the heavenly bodies or the system of the times; for there will either be summer in the winter, or winter in the summer. Then the year will be shortened, and the month diminished, and the day contracted into a short space; and stars shall fall in great numbers, so that all the heaven will appear dark without any lights. The loftiest mountains also will fall, and be levelled with the plains; the sea will be rendered unnavigable.

One BBC documentary that just came out called The Coming War With China explains the aftermath of a nuclear exchange:

How could Lactantius know that nuclear smoke will cause the “atmosphere to be tainted” and that smoke blocks the sunlight from reaching the earth causes the “darkness of the sun”. Temperatures go below freezing from one to three years as “now by cold” and “winter in the summer” makes it too cold to grow food crops which could go on for ten years or longer. What Lactantius prophesied is quite remarkable.

The works of Lactantius is authenticated and approved. He focused on Pergamum not Rome.

Take any instruction from God and ignore it and see what happens. Go ahead, disobey this instruction “there is neither Jew nor Gentile”. This alone sends entire nations to hell since God is not interested in race and could care less what genetic stock or pedigree you come from. He cares less if you are nordic or if you have the perfect Cohanim DNA. To God all this genealogy He considers fables (1 Timothy 1:4, Titus 3:9) and has nothing to do with the spirit. Yet today, since WWI, we have never seen more focus on race and populism more than now. It all just popped up in the last couple years. Nothing has opened up the gates of hell more than when a nation sees itself superior to others. Superiority goes contrary to “the meek shall inherit the earth”. An unhealthy dose of nationalism can send entire nations to hell. Ever wonder why the whole theme of Ezekiel 28-32 is God tossing entire nations into hell? Even when Christ divides sheep from goat; He is dividing entire nations, separating sheep nations from goat nations (Matthew 25:32).

Plenty will be the patriot flag carrying populist who keep perfect Church attendance yet these will end up with the demons in hell for excessively believing in national pride where they think they are superior to others.

Every story, every verse and every instruction is to be a lesson on how to avoid the pitfalls. David’s son Absalom did not care about the rape of Tamar by Amnon the half brother; he used the argument to foment rebellion against authority wanting to remove both Amnon and king David and to replace them by appointing himself as king. The conspiracy ended up only killing Absalom the traitor who like Judas ended up hanging on a tree by his hair and stabbed to death.

The moral of the story is how a controlled opposition starts from within and usurps itself over the authority. Absalom as a controlled opposition was able to convince a huge portion of Israel to follow him instead of King David. This is prophetic in many ways and the story repeats throughout history. Today we have the Cologne sex attacks by Muslims. When we see what happened our natural reaction is to “kill all Muslims”. But most do not think why was this allowed to happen? Over a thousand rapes and the police couldn’t do a thing? This has nothing to do with rape. It was all allowed to happen in order to foment rebellion in Germany to have the populist party rule over the other and by that Germany returns backwards to racism.

In the coming years, pay close attention to God while you shut your windows from this world. Instead of focusing on Jew versus Gentile, focus on why you were not told: Pergamum or Rome, that is the question. Take just this one little itty-bitty piece of information out of a volume of instructions and lets see how much it has to do with salvation.

First of all, this Jesus-style question alone should have us dump five centuries of worthless theological books, sermons and commentaries that promoted an Antichrist agenda leading millions of souls straight to hell. Protestantism falsely focused on Rome as the seat of Satan while it completely ignored Pergamum and in fact aided it. While the protestant school correctly taught that we must be virgins to wed with Jesus, they ignored that the older school taught that “belief'” entails obedience to God’s appointed authority. Belief entails we pay attention not just to the lamp, but the oil and the wick and the spark to ignite it. To say that Rome is the seat of satan is calling Jesus a liar which in itself is an antichrist agenda. Jesus did not say Rome He said Pergamum was the seat of Satan.

And if you don’t think that the majority of Christians are on their way to hell, here answer this other Jesus-style question: Christ said that salvation was a “narrow gate,” why then is “Christendom” the widest gate? Christianity resembles the largest religion in the world today. This would mean that most claiming Christians are on their way to hell or that Jesus lied when He said it is a narrow gate.

Most will end up in hell for ignoring single instructions. If you say “its only a verse” and you disobey and to hell you will go unless you repent. Before Christianity, no one believed in God more than Israel. But Israel had one flaw; they focused more on their national sovereignty wanting independence from Rome rather than being humble in spirit. In the end God favored Rome over Israel.

So as it turned out, God was no respecter of nationalism, to God “there is neither Jew nor Gentile”.

Everything in scripture is given to us for a reason. This includes why Muslims and Protestants hide the “seat of Satan” being “Pergamum” preferring it to be “Rome” instead. This is done for the sole purpose of destroying God’s appointed authority. These are all Absaloms. Controlled oppositions. The grand plan is not to destroy Pergamum or Geneva which the Ottomans (Pergamum) greatly collaborated with, but to destroy Rome’s authority. The results were that both Protestants and Muslims ended up losing at Lepanto thanks to Pope Pius V.


In the end you will see all the anti-Muslim Nazi populists will eventually join the Muslims to kill whatever remnant of Christians that are left on the earth while they invade Jerusalem.

Ignoring Pergamum while focusing on Rome gave us a mountain of five centuries worth of error from Protestant sources. These were not nice five virgins. They picked on the Vatican claiming it sits on seven hills, while Constantinople, Mecca, Brussels and even Jerusalem are cities built on seven hills were left unscathed while Rome got the brunt of the curses from these commentators.

Where did the seed of Protestantism fall? Was it not on the fertile ground amongst the merchants of Constantinople, Germany and Brussels? And what about Mecca? In the Bible, Babylon has two “fallen”: “Babylon is fallen is fallen” (see Rev 14,18, Isa 28).

So why do we have a double “fallen”?

Did not Zechariah 5 as well warn of two abominable women? There are “two women” (two harlots that comprise this Mystery Babylon) based on “the land of Shinar” “that it may be established, and set there upon its own basis” (v.11)

We really have two babylons stemming from the same source at Haran.

Haran was the source of everything from the father of Wahhabism, Ibn Tayymiya, Jewish Cabalism, Muslim Sufism, Masonic Lodge, Indonesia’s Ilmu Khodam, the Thule Society of the German Nazi occultist organization that sparked  the Nazi Party causing WWII. This was all brought from Turkey as we explained here. In other words, it all moved and travelled making its way to the West from Pergamum.


God was not addressing pagans in Zechariah 5 “the house of the thief, and to the house of him that swear falsely by my name“.

This was speaking of cults (not pagans) that swore falsely by God’s true name.

Muhammad, Calvin and Luther swore by God’s name. And weren’t all these thieves likened in that prophecy to “the woman [harlot] sitting in the midst of the vessel”? This is why in Zechariah 5 God promised “every thief shall be judged as is there written”. Even Haydock affirms that Zachariah 5 includes the Protestants:

“Protestants, “resemblance. [v.6]” (Haydock) — This is their picture.” In like. Protestants, “shall cut off as on that side standing to it. [v.3]” (Haydock)

And who are greater heresiarchs in history, greater than Muhammad, Protestant John Calvin and Protestant Martin Luther who swore in God’s name, complemented the Jews to only condemn them all to death in the end when Luther wrote “The Jews And Their Lies” which became the main tract spread by the Nazis?

Should I cut off my tongue for the sake of reconciliation to appease the Calvinist and expose not their collaboration when they spiritually bent over in prostration to make it easy for Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent of the Ottoman Empire to copulate with them before God sank them all; Turk and Calvinist at Lepanto during the era of St. Pope Pius V?


The whole theme of 2 Thessalonians II is Paul forewarning that if anyone prematurely announces the Antichrist are “deceivers”:

“Let no man deceive you by any means: for unless there come a revolt firstand the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition”

“Let no man deceive you” and “by any means”. Paul warns that Antichrist will not come UNTIL “there come a revolt first”. Yet Luther and Calvin prematurely announced the Pope in Rome as Antichrist. This alone debunks all ‘reformers’ as ‘deceivers’.

While we read many things the Jews did, many develop hatred against all Jews and also against all Muslims. These type of people argue by example saying that the Jewish Talmud has so much anti-Christian writings. They say that Lenin and Marx the founders of communism were Jews and the the Jews caused the death of the Tzar. Soros too they argue is a Jew. Many can even give you a list of evils from Jewish bankers to Jews who conspired against Christianity.


The Jesus-style question to all these is this: how are you able to find all these bad Jews while failing to find equally or more bad gentiles?

“There is neither Jew nor Gentile” covers the whole history of the church whether they do good or do evil.

If someone can name bad Jews while they fail to name bad gentiles is a sign of a troubled soul on its way to hell. You either obey “there is neither Jew nor Gentile” or become a Hitler prostitute without salvation. The good virgins see things this way: everywhere in scripture where you read “thus says the Lord” is essential to our salvation. The bad virgins see things this way: I only need the verses that pertain to salvation. I will memorize them and quote them no matter what verse anyone shares.

You have also these anti-holocaust arguments supposedly debunking Hitler’s crematoria and the death camps. The Jesus-style question to all Hitler’s hookers is this: do they also want to deny the death of millions of Polish Catholics murdered by Hitler? Why then aren’t they busy denying the Polish holocaust while only picking on the Jewish holocaust?

A troubled soul is easy to spot.

The devil hates all people. There are no exceptions. Bad virgins are known because they are selective. They insist their prince come riding on the finest white horse. God however says no. He comes looking like the average Joe riding on an average donkey. He dumps the pretty virgins that are picky choosy and looks only for five homely virgins who cared about everything. He knows what inside beauty is all about:



Some Catholics strictly follow what they read on the internet from websites that claim to quote seers who never made the claims in the first place and mostly their commentaries were taken as prophecy. One Catholic brother objects on our conclusions that Turkey and Asia are the center of Antichrist:

“The Catholic Church has been very clear in the nature of The Anti-Christ and the Catholic seers extremely clear. There is no room for ambiguity there.” He continues: “Is Shoebat appearing to pick and choose prophecy to ‘pin’ the label of The AntiChrist on Erdogan?”

If not Erdogan perhaps someone after him, no one yet knows for sure. But the issue is Pergamum. If it is not Pergamum whom ‘the monarch’ (and I say seven monarchs for that matter) who mainly combat Antichrist, who is it then? And speaking of unanimous agreement, here are prophecies whom our Catholic friend himself has more confidence in than I do:

“The Great Monarch … will conquer the (Middle) East.” (Pareus, 17th Century)

“Cyprus, the Turks and Barbarians he will subdue.”(Cataldus, 5th Century)

“The Eagle will also invade the Mohammedan countries.” (St. Bridget, 14th Century)

“He shall destroy the Jewish and Mohammedan sects.” (St. Bridget)

“He shall destroy the Mohammedan sect and the rest of the infidels.” (St. Francis of Paola, 15th Century)

“The Empire of the Mohammedans will be broken up (by him).” (Ven. Holzhauser, 17th Century)

“He shall subdue to his dominion the Mohammedan Empire” (Gekner, 17th Century)

“He shall reign over the House of Agar, and shall possess Jerusalem.” (Isidore of Seville, 7th Century)

With brother Louis Rocco we find:

Terrible wars will rage all over Europe. God has long been patient with the corruption of morals; half of mankind He will destroy. Russia will witness many outrages. Great cities and small towns alike will be destroyed in a bloody revolution that will cause the death of half the population. In Istanbul (Constantinople) the Cross will replace the half-moon of Islamism, and Jerusalem will be the seat of a King. The southern Slavs will form a great Catholic Empire and drive out of Europe the Turks (Mohammedans), who will withdraw to North Africa and subsequently embrace the Catholic faith. (Dupont, p.76)

And I, the doubting Thomas, somewhat agree with these predictions, while I shed doubt on their authenticity as prophecies. However, our Catholic brother would put more stock into these prophecies because he believes much of what he reads out there. I do believe these came as a result of interpretations, yet I tend to agree with much of these conclusions but we need to be cautious.

Why do I reserve some doubt? It is here why I said reader beware. Okay, here is an example. One can read The Christian Trumpet (1873) and find several prophecies in it. But this work was published without formal approbation of ecclesiastical authority. It does not have the stamp of approval. In the Christian Trumpet, we have the seven letters of St. Francis di Paola to a certain Simeon de Limena. None of this can be verified. In one letter attributed to St. Francis Di Paola it states:

Four hundred years shall not pass when his Divine Majesty shall visit the world with a new religious order much needed, which shall effect more good among men than all other religious institutions combined. This religious order shall be the last and the best in the Church; it shall proceed with arms, with prayer, and with hospitality. Woe to tyrants, to heretics, and to infidels, to whom no pity shall be shown, because such is the will of the Most High! An infinite number of wicked men shall perish through the hands of the Cross-bearers, the true servants, of Jesus Christ. They shall act like good husbandmen when they extirpate noxious weeds and prickly thistles from the wheat-field. These holy servants of God shall purify the earth with the deaths of innumerable wicked men. The head and captain of these holy servants of God shall be one of your posterity, and he shall be the great re-former of the Church of God. (Francis di Paola. From Spezzano, 13th of January, 1489)

The Christian Trumpet in my view will not pass the approbation of ecclesiastical authority. How can it be confirmed that Di Paola wrote this? And how can we expect to believe that such a religious order has come to pass especially that 400 years has passed with no fulfillment? 1480 + 400 = 1889. We have no such religious order popping up that fulfilled any of this in 1889 continuing until now to show such militarism and zeal. These days you have a better chance finding such a high quality priesthood to be “made in China” than the Western brand. Faith in the west has deteriorated. Most have become sleeping virgins with oilless lamps, swordless, unconcerned with detail, more loving towards sodomites and more critical of any real zeal. Many are the priests who have become fatty, without sackcloth, they disregard the sacrifice, shepherds who bolt after the service as soon as they see the hungry sheep. These care less about spending time in the confession booth preparing sheep to be “Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.”

However, the focus on the Ottomans by Catholics stems from an interpretation etched in tradition. This interpretation is missing in all other religions from modern Judaism, Protestantism and Islam. But caution should be observed to always find the original sources. For example:

“After the birth of Antichrist the people of the world will be very wicked and godless [exactly what we see today]. People of real virtue will be very scarce [exactly what we see today]. Pastors in many places will neglect the service of God [exactly what we see today], and will live with women….In every period of tribulation God aids His Church, and He will do it in the time before the coming of Antichrist. From the midst of His Church He will raise up a Christian ruler who will perform most remarkable deeds. With divine assistance this ruler will not only lead erring souls back to the true Faith but also deal a heavy blow to the foes of the empire; the Turks, to take away their empire and restore it to Christianity (Connor p.84).

But we have no way to confirm how Connor or Culleton or Dupont obtained their sources (they copy from one another) claiming prophecies to originate from Dionysias of Luxemberg. These provide supposed quotes from Holzhauser and others. So while the conclusions are plausible they are difficult to confirm and perhaps came from interpretations rather than direct predictions. For example, the Venerable Bartholomew Holzhauser is quoted as prophesying:

All heresies shall be banished…the Turkish Empire shall be broken up, and all nations shall come to and worship their God in the true Catholic and Roman faith (Rossi, p. 121)

But fact is, Holzhauser was writing a commentary (he was not making a prophecy) on the Apocalypse (Interpretation on the Apocalypse, Latin addition of Bamburg, 1784, Tom. I. Page 184, and Tom.II. Page 6.)

In modern times many bloggers and writers are taking the commentaries and claiming them as prophecies. This is an error. However, this does not undermine the veracity of these interpretations which correctly conclude certain outcomes.

They do the same with St. Francis Di Paola (see Letters of St. Francis Di Paola to Simeon de Limena, Lord of Montalto, The Christian Trumpet pg 158). Di Paola’s letters are alleged to include both prophecy and his commentary on the Apocalypse predicting the rise of thisChristian Holy Militia. Di Paola died in 1508 and in 1562, his haters the Calvinists took his incorruptible body, desecrated it and dragged it throughout the street (pg. 160). Di Paola allegedly wrote:

He shall destroy the sect of Mahomet, extirpate all tyrants and heresies. He shall bring the world to a holy mode of life. There will be one fold and one Shepherd. He shall reign until the end of time. On the whole Earth there shall be only twelve kings, one emperor, and one pope.

The same goes for claims made to have been written by the Venerable Bartholomew Holzhauser considered one of the enlightened commentators of the Apocalypse. He interpreted a seven-fold division on the seven churches of Asia, the seven candlesticks, the seven stars, the seven seals, seven spirits, seven trumpets, seven plagues of the Apocalypse and also on the seven days of creation mentioned in the first chapter of Genesis.

According to his statement, the first age or special epoch of the Church begins from Jesus Christ and lasts until the first persecution under the cruel pagan emperor, Nero; the second, from Nero to Constantino the Great ; the third, from Constantino till Charlemagne; the fourth, from Charlemagne to Charles V., the pontificate of Leo X., and the heresy of Martin Luther; the fifth age, from Luther to the Great Pope, Papa Angelicus, and the Great Monarch; the sixth will open at the death of these two great men, and shall last till the last persecution of Antichrist.

So far so good, so we, according to Holzhauser are living in the fifth epoch, then he concludes:

“At the sixth epoch of the Church, all unexpectedly shall, through the all-powerful hand of God, be effected such a wonderful change as to surpass all human imagination and expectation. There will be a great and holy pope, and a powerful monarch, who will come as the envoy of God to put an end to disorder. He will subject everything to his power, and will manifest a great zeal for the welfare of the true Church of Jesus Christ. All heresies shall be banished to hell, whence they issued; the Turkish Empire shall be broken up, and all nations shall come to and worship their God in the true Catholic and Roman faith. Then true love, concord, peace, and perfect happiness will reign supreme upon earth”

But the Turkish Empire if we follow the epochs suggested by Holzhauser was broken up during the fifth epoch, unless he is speaking of the revived neo-Ottomans. But to link and predict the fall of the Ottomans is quite remarkable still. It is for this reason I take this work as a commentary, an excellent one at that, but to state this as a prophecy would be an error.

  • Eric

    Sir, excellent as always. Great analysis, clarification, and explanation. The books you have mentioned–Reign of Antichrist, Christian Trumpet, and so on–are on my Christmas list this year, and I am eager to read them and apply my X-ray vision to find any good nuggets of gold. Your guidelines for sifting through them will be of great help.

    As always, amazing work. Blessings, and Merry Christmas. 🙂


  • It is no small matter that Christ Himself pinpointed seven geographical locations that will produce the Antichrist and they all are located in Turkey. To ignore that or to reinterpret Christ’s words is to purchase a one way ticket to hell with no refund unless one repents.

    Frankly the one monarchy I am looking forward to is the one established by Christ to fulfill the prophecy to David because “of His kingdom there will be no end.”

    Hope you have recovered from the flu. It’s no fun.

    • Getting there. But must care for wife now. I gave it to her.

      • Grandmere

        Prayers are going up for you both.

        • Tom_mcewen

          The description of the chaos in the heavens and the earth is unsettling, I am glad I was born in 1945. I would still like to see, do you think purgatory has some small windows I could look out of?

          • Grandmere

            I heard tell they were about the size of the windows on a 757. Anything bigger might scare the hell out of you. Oh, wait. That would be a good thing. XO

          • You fortunate. I worry about our Christian kids.

          • Tom_mcewen

            Yes it is interesting that death is not a horror but an escape. To me I think of an Jewish man dying in his bed in 1934 sorrounded his family or a Jew dying in the camps ten year later. As Patrick Henry said, “Is life so dear or peace so sweet, to purchased at the price of chains and slavery. Forbid it, Almighty God!”. This is until you die is now your history, Walid.

        • Thank you Grandmere.

      • Good man.

        Remember the vow, “In sickness and in health.” All the way to the very end.

        • Amen Trevor.

          • Constantine, there are reports of a Russian ambassador assassinated in Turkey. What are the Arabic press saying?

            I found it curious that Obama condemned the assassination rather quickly, which will not go unnoticed by Erdogan.

          • looking into it

  • Ozibarb

    This is the kind of thing I envisage the 2 witnesses saying in Jerusalem. The Jews, Muslims, Protestants,unbelieving Catholics etc, would be foaming at the mouth with hatred and screaming vitriolic comments at them, (sound familiar, Walid), and finally throw a party when they are silenced.
    Keep on speaking the truth, there are some of us listening and taking heed to the warnings

    • You got that right Ozi. The Two Witnesses will be no respecter of persons, sects or nationalities.

  • Brenda

    So happy I found Walid’s video explaining that the number of the Antichrist was the Islam verses that are wore as head bands and arm bands, Before that the other videos just had me scratching my head thinking..This looks like a kindergarten fairy tale, and then thinking well smh no wonder people are turning away from religion. Then when I saw his about Islam, BAM it was all I was thinking or I should say “sensing” was more real, without really understanding the puzzle. There has been a lot to absorb in details, sometimes too much for me when in comes to all of the history that gets told here, I missed out on a lot of interesting saints and such growing up. But thank god for having the sense to be able to see what it going on and then read here the explanations, Anyone that automatically dismisses it must not have the common sense to just look at what is going on all over the world.

    • Just chew on a thousand words a day and take a week to finish it.

      • Brenda

        Yes and I am getting books to help me as well, I was a tad reluctant to get more books as I have too many now stored away on arts, crafts and housekeeping etc, they are hard to move with you when you need to relocate, LOL! and I really dream lately of having one of those tiny houses, Maybe one that has the off the grid stuff, Maybe a pipe dream like others I had, But oh well, I gotta dream and imagine sometimes.

        • We all dream of a log cabin to hide from the coming storm. Your mind is healthy and your soul is in the right place Brenda.

        • alexander

          Hello dear Sister Brenda , All You need are Just 2 , books in My Opinion , They are From walid shoebat ,
          God’s War on Terror & Why I left Jihad ,

          These Two books talk about the dangers of islam

          Also Why I left Jihad , There in you find as well walid shoebat his testimony ,Back in his days while he was a Terrorist and Converted in 1993 , To the Christian faith ,

          Very Intresting book to read dear Sister ,

          Specially , God’ war on Terror ,

          Anyway here you have a prophecy
          what i learned over the years from walid shoebat

          And a little bit from my self what i discoverd That it was very simple to see Wheter islam is indeed Antichrist And yes indeed it is ,

          So here we Go 🙂

          Revelation 11:2 , But the Court which is without the temple leave out and measure it not for it was given unto the gentiles (Muslims dome of the Rock) and the holy City (Jerusalem _Israel) , shall they tread underfoot forty and two months Revelation 13:4:5 , And they worshipped the Dragon (Satan) , which gave power unto beast and they worshipped the beast saying who is able to make war with him and there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months

          _________________________ But G_D will help us , Wheter the Jew believes in Yesuah (Jesus) yes or no . Still God loves them because one day Jesus will come back and will destroy islam because its Antichrist and Satanic The Bible new Testament and Torah Tannakh (Old Testament) Predicted this very clear what God would do whom would harm his Children Jews & Christians ” But most of all the Chosen people of God Jews . God says Zechariah 2:8 , For thus said the Lord of Hosts after the Glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you for he that toucheth you (Jews) , Toucheth the apple of his eyes (Is-ra-el) Zechariah 3:2 , And the Lord said unto Satan , The Lord rebuke thee O Satan even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem Rebuke thee ; is this not a branch plucked out of the Fire Zechariah 12:1:11 , The burden of the word of the Lord for Israel saith the Lord which stretcheth forth the heavens and Layeth the foundation of the earth and formeth the Spirit of man with in him behold i will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about (Muslims) , When they shall be in the siege both againts Judah and againts Jerusalem and in that day will i (Elohim) make Jerusalem a burden some stone for all the people all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in to pieces (Destroyed) , though all the people of the earth be gatherd together againts it (People whom hate Jews and Israel not all people but most of them do think about Antisemitism or political people world leaders whom want to devide the land of God . Philistines >>Palastine Muslims and (Hamas ?) , Joel 3:1:4_Joel 3:14:21) , Continue with Zechariah 12 up to verse 11 , Zechariah 14:1:4 , Behold the day of the Lord cometh and thy spoil shall be devided in the midts of thee for i will gather all Nations againts Jerusalem to battle and the City shall be taken and the houses rifled and the woman ravished and half of the city shall go forth in to captivity and the residue of the people (Jews) , shall not be cut off from the City , Then shall the Lord go forth and fight againts those nations (Muslim nations) , as when he fought in the day of battle and his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of olives which is before Jerusalem on the east and the mount of olives shall cleave in te midts thereof toward the east and toward the west and there shall be a very great valley and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north and half of toward the south New testament The second epistle of paul the apostle to the Thessalonians Thessalonians 2:1:8 , Now we beseech you brethren by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (Yesuah Messiac) , and by our gathering together unto him that ye be not soon shaken in mind or be troubled neither by spirit nor by word nor by letter as far from us as that the day of Christ is at hand Let no man deceive you by any means for that day shall not come except there come a falling away first and that man of Sin be revealed the Son of perdition (Antichrist) , Who Opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God or that is worshipped so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God Shewing himself that he is God Remember ye not that When i (Elohim) , was yet with you I Told ye these things (Book of Daniel concerning The Antichrist) , And now ye know what with holdeth that he might be revealed in his time for the mystery of iniquity doth already work ; Only he whom now letteth will let , until he be taken out of the way and then shall that wicked be revealed whom the Lord shall consume with the Spirit of his mouth and shall destroy with the Brightness of his coming Revelation 20:10 , And the Devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast (Antichrist) And the false prophet are and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever Isaiah 14:22:25 , For i will Rise up againts them saith the Lord of hosts and cut of from babylon the name and remnant and son and nephew saith the Lord . I will also make it a possession for the bittern and pools of water and i will sweep it with the besom of destruction saith the Lord of hosts , The Lord of hosts hath sworn saying Surely as i have thought so shall it come to pass and as i have purposed so shall it stand That i will break>>(Destroy) the Assyrian (Antichrist) , in my Land (Israel _Jerusalem) , and upon my mountains tread him under foot then shall his yoke depart from of them and his burden depart from of there shoulders For Israel will be saved saith the Lord behold and see that the enemy (Muslims are in your camp they are heathen) But behold i am for you (Jews) says the Lord , Ezekiel 36:1:11 G-D bless the nation of Yerushalaim Yisrael , For he our God is the God of the Jews & Christians He cannot allow that Evil will Prevail For those whom hate Israel hate me says the Lord

          Numbers 10:35:36 , And it came to pass when the Ark set forward that Moses said , Rise up Lord , And let thine enemies be scatterd and let them that hate thee flee before thee and when it rested he said , Return O Lord , unto the many thousands of Israel

          Deuteronomy 7:13:15 , And he will Love thee (Jews) , and bless thee and multiply thee he will also bless the fruit of the womb and the fruit of thy land (Israel -Jerusalem) , thy cornand thy wine and thine oil the increase of thy kine and the flocks of thy sheep in the land (Israel-Jerusalem) , which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee thou shalt be blessed above all people ‘ there shall not be male or female barren among you or among your cattle and the Lord will take away from thee all sickness and will put none of the evil diseases of Egypt which thou knowest upon thee but will lay them upon all them that hate thee

          And here are Two Video’s from Youtube why Walid Left islam

          Enjoy watching and be a Good bearean 🙂 And Lissen very careful what he has to say Concerning Scripture


          Takecare Godbless and Marry Christmas & Happy New Year for the coming next year 2017

          Greetings from the Netherlands

        • alexander

          Scriptures are from the King James Version Brenda ,

          And here is as well Something else
          From The same Scriptures KJV ‘ Plus a Hebrew Song
          Concerning These Scripture’s what you see here Under

          Psalm 24

          The earth is the Lord’s and the fulness thereof the world and they that dwell therein for he hath founded it upon the seas and established it upon the floods who shall ascend into the hill of the Lord or whom shall stand in his holy place he that hath clean hands and a pure heart who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity nor sworn deceitfully he shall receive the blessing from the Lord and righteousness from the God of his salvation

          this is the generation of them that seek him that seek thy face , O Jacob Selah Lift up your heads O ye gates

          and be ye lift up ye everlasting doors and the King of Glory shall come in , Who is this King of Glory

          The Lord strong and mighty the Lord mighty in Battle Lift up your heads O ye gates even lift them up

          ye everlasting doors and the King of Glory shall come in who is this King of Glory The Lords of Hosts he is the King of Glory

          Isaiah 54:13:14

          And all thy Children shall be taught of the Lord and great shall be the peace of thy Children in righteousness

          shalt thou be established thou shalt be far from oppression for thou shalt not fear and from terror for it shall

          not come near thee

          Isaiah 54:17

          No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper and evry tongue that shall rise against thee in Judgement thou shalt condemn this is the heritage of the servants of the Lord and their righteousness

          is of me saith the Lord

          Deuteronomy 20:2:4

          And it shall be when ye are come nigh unto the battle that the priest shall approach and speak unto the people and shall say unto them hear O Israel ye approach this day unto battle againts your enemies

          Let not your hearts faint fear not and do not tremble neither be ye terrified because of them for the Lord

          Your God is he that goeth with you to fight for you against you enemies to save you

          Isaiah 41:10:16

          Fear thou not for i am with thee be not dismayed for i am thy God i will strengeth thee yea i will help thee

          yea i will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness behold all they that were incensed against thee shall be ashamed and confounded they shall be as nothing and they that strive with thee shall perish

          thou shalt seek them and shalt not find them even them that contended with thee they that war against thee

          shall be as nothing and as a thing of nought for i the Lord thy God will hold thy right hand saying unto thee fear not i will help thee fear not thou worm Jacob and ye men of Israel i will help thee saith the Lord and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel behold i will make thee a new sharp treshing instrument having teeth thou

          shalt tresh the mountaints and beat them small and shalt make the hills as a chaff thou shalt fan them

          and the wind shall carry them away and the whirlwind shall scatter them and thou shalt rejoice in the Lord

          and shalt Glory in the Holy One of Israel

          Isaiah 42:13:14

          The Lord shall go forth as a migthy man he shall stir up Jealousy like a man of war he shall cry yea and roar he shall prevail againts his enemies i have long time holden my peace i have been still and refrained myself

          now will i cry like a travailing woman i will destroy and devour at once

          Isaiah 43:15

          I am the Lord your Holy One the Creator of Israel your King

          Isaiah 43:1

          But now thus saith the Lord that created thee O Jacob and he that formed thee O Israel fear not for i have Redeemed thee i have called thee by thy name thou art mine

          Isaiah 44:6

          Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel and his redeemer the Lord of Hosts I am the first and I am the last

          and beside me there is no God

          Isaiah 46:10

          Declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times the things that are not yet done

          Saying my councel shall stand and i will do all my pleasure

          Isaiah 46:13

          I bring near my righteousness it shall not be far off and my salvation shall not tarry and i will place

          salvation in Zion for Israel my Glory

    • mspip

      there is so much going on, it can make our head spin. the world has really changed here lately.

  • AnthonyM

    Excellent, thank you for your efforts. Your articles help illumine the path before us.

    O Leader of the House of Israel, giver of the Law to Moses on Sinai:
    come to rescue us with your mighty power!

    • Thank you brother Anthony. Remember that prayer when the time comes.

  • Tom_mcewen

    This excellent, I wish you could place this as an insert into every chick comic, they would be found doing the Saint Vitus dance. Worth rereading and taking notes.

    • Thank you brother McEwen. I remember I used to read the chick comic, what a comedy.

  • susan

    I’m sharing this with all of my family. Thank you Walid. And may God grant a speedy recovery to you and Maria.

    • Thank you sister Susan. Am getting there, hopefully Maria will be okay by tomorrow.

      • Julie LaBrecque

        oscillococcinum – is excellent for the flu – get some and keep on hand – and we will pray as well. Wonderful article, short and sweet – hope you have. Great Christmas.

        • Julie, what exactly is oscillococcinum and where does one get it? Why have I not heard of this since I’m very interested in herbal medicine. It isn’t an herb.

          • mikifenn

            It’s homeopathic and it can be found in health food stores. Fred Meyer has it in their health food area or you can order it from a health food store online.

          • Thanks. I must look this up.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            If I recall, it is duck liver.

        • There she is. The doctor. Finally. I will buy a couple of bricks worth and try it. Much appreciated.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            We really like it – helps even if someone just feels bad — hope Maria gets well soon.

        • mikifenn

          I believe you need to take oscillococcinum early on as soon as you feel symptoms. At least it is more effective when you take it early.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            We always keep a large box on hand, even take it when we just feel poorly – it really helps – Wal-Mart carries it in their pharmacy area.

          • mspip

            not very expensive either. am thinking it is homeopathic.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            Not at all expensive – we have been using it for about 6-7 years.

  • Renato Steri

    Reading ancient scriptures of the Saints who experienced afterlife and of exorcists who effectively fought satan we get the understanding why it is important to literary follow each order of Christ and God. Doing otherwise is to open the doors to the devil to enter our soul. The faith is 100% real, it’s no fiction. Even Alister Crowley repented shortly before his death. This is the sense why our life was cut short because of primordial sin, but who believes will be resurrected

  • Kamau41

    “In the coming years, pay close attention to God while you shut your windows from this world.” Amen to that indeed…The quotes and works you have shared from St. Bellarmine, Lactantius and Rev. FL Gerald is truly amazing and nails the conditions of our present times and what we can expect in the future with great accuracy. Without question, the Catholic view has always been on the right track that is irrefutable concerning the region where the Antichrist will come from, which is also consistent with the Holy Scriptures. Absolutely excellent, amazing work brother Walid. As always, well done and I pray for you and Maria’s speedy recovery from the flu.

    • Thank you 41. I always know you read everything since you give a summary 😉

      We read while we row 😉

      Am doing much better, thank you, just waiting for my wife to recover, hopefully by tomorrow.

    • Brenda

      Amen to that shutting windows, I feel like closing my Twitter account again, too many stupid comments praising Hitler to want to be there now, and I have mine set to where they need to ask permission to follow me, But still just looking at the comments it’s obvious there is mass confusion, and those wanting to confuse.

      • mspip

        facebook has some real dingbats on it, oh wait i do spend a bit of time there….

      • Kamau41

        Don’t blame you at all Brenda. You are very wise. I totally stay far away from twitter and Facebook.

    • Стефан Евгений

      Kamau41. Turkey is still at it’s old tricks they banned the Orthodox liturgy.

      • Kamau41

        Good read…The speed in terms of the timeframe of Turkey banning the Orthodox liturgy is quite astonishing.

  • AnthonyM

    Just heard this song for the first time, and want to share it with you all. It is acapella, 6 part for women. Give it a listen to the end.

    • Стефан Евгений

      This is more my style, Cossacks!

      silent night

      • AnthonyM

        Those are good. Deep voices.

        • Стефан Евгений

          Its Russian tradition, it mimics church bells.

  • Wilma Mills

    All the virgins slumbered and slept. The difference was the wise obtained their oil first. Salvation is given first by the Spirit when he comes into the believer at the New birth upon faith in Christ’s finished work of total obedience, even unto the death of the cross. The work we can never do to the total perfection required to be declared righteous by works.

    • Good grief Wilma, you sound like Calvin himself.

      Wilma, there are several parables in Matthew 25. You can even write your own and it will fit. They all culminate into the conclusion that one group cared and another simply didn’t. The last one has one group cared about the suffering and the other group didn’t. The one that didn’t never really followed the instruction to “love one another” because if they truly loved one another they would have clothed the naked and fed the hungry brethren …

      In other words, one group simply took care of the suffering Christians and Jews during the Tribulation, the other simply said “Christ’s finished work of total obedience, even unto the death of the cross is sufficient. The work we can never do to the total perfection required to be declared righteous by works” and therefore this group did nothing to help these suffering.

      Guess what, you will end up on the left side of the field.

      Stay away from this German systematic theology, it will kill you.

      But again, I doubt it very much that you will heed my advise 😉

      • Wilma Mills

        And I you Walid. You know Baptists believe in doing every good work, but we know good works have nothing to do with our ETERNAL salvation. Yes, they have everyting to do with working out our salvation on this earth,(the two senses of the word salvation in scripture.)
        Through Christ we’ve been given the gift of eternal salvation, and now we work to get our loved ones and everyone else we can into the fold, and our good works adorn the doctrine of Christ.
        If my works are to get myself into the Pearly Gates, then who am I loving? Myself !!! Christ set me free to forget self and live to save others. He’ll reward me according to how well I’ve done this.

        • Doc

          I partially agree with this, but Jesus also said that not everyone who says “Lord Lord” will enter Heaven, but only those who do the Will of the Father.

          The sticking point, which probably will not be resolved here, either, is whether works are required for salvation, or if they are an outward expression of one’s salvation.

          One obvious problem I see: if one must obey every command or repent, what becomes of the person who “happens to miss one” command, and therefore never has a chance to repent of it? It’s the same as the person who has been faithful all of this life, only to die unexpectedly before that one last confession.

          Is that person told (in a divine sense), “Thanks for playing, but sorry you didn’t win.”

          This is the problem I have with a faith where works are emphasized as being necessary to salvation, and not merely an expression of it.

          • Wilma Mills

            “What must we do to work the works of God?” And Jesus said unto them, this is the work of God, that you believe on Him whom he hath sent.”

          • Raph Sebastian

            [ that you believe on Him whom he hath sent.”]

            Is the above something you do? Do you believe, and here believe means obey in Greek. So does obedience require an act? And is an act a work?

        • Funny, neither side believes that works gets us to the Pearly gates, yet it seems that every time any subject comes up, this also comes up. I am talking about Wilma repeating systematic Calvin who I doubt very much made it to the Pearly gates.

        • Julie LaBrecque

          Wilma – the Baptists are wrong – works, according to JESUS, have everything to do with eternal salvation – either that or Jesus wasted a lot of oxygen in Matt 24.

          • Raph Sebastian

            Astonishing to me that even when the LORD’s words and commands are clear, there seem to be people that want to make it out as allegory. As always there will be those like at the temple in Capernaum, who will say those are harsh words to accept.

            He wasn’t being allegorical in Matthew 25:31-46. Just Just like He wasn’t being allegorical in John 6:22-70.

          • Julie LaBrecque

            ‘RED LETTERS TO BOOT” – these fools know that every word Jesus spoke is in Red Letters – yet somehow, “Red Letters’ aren’t pertinent to their theology. Go figure.

        • susan

          “Walid, you know Baptists believe in doing every good work, but we know good works have nothing to do with our ETERNAL salvation.”

          Hi Wilma. :). I wanted to go ahead and post this part of what Jesus said about judgement.

          True and False Disciples

          21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

          The Wise and Foolish Builders

          24“Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”

          Did you notice the ones who are rejected by the Master…also cried out that they too had performed “works” AND that they had performed these “works” in His name. Notice what the Master says, “I never knew you”. I think about these words and i am just stunned. What exactly does it mean? How do we make sure that our Lord knows who we are? Then Jesus said, “Whoever hears my words and puts them into “practice” is like the wise man who built his house on a foundation of rock.” So practice is obviously something we DO. And what “practices” did Jesus implement as the foundation of His church? And I couldn’t help but notice “rock”….which brought to mind Peter. I would love to read what the early Fathers of our Catholic faith wrote about this stunning admission of our Lord. Wouldn’t you? 🙂

          Anyway, Merry Christmas to you and yours Wilma. 🙂

          • Wilma Mills

            Merry Christmas to you !!! “Though I speak with the tongues of men and angels, and have not charity, it profeteth me nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and have not charity, it profeteth me nothing. And though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profeteth me nothing.”
            If what I do is to get me inside the Gates, it will profit me nothing.
            My citizenship is already in Heaven. In God’s mind I’m already seated in heavenly places in Christ Jesus. God wants my works done to help, and win others, and bring glory to his name, out of love and thanksgiving to him, not out of self preservation. “It is God that worketh in you, both to will and to do his good pleasure. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which he hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”

          • susan

            Wilma, what is the definition of the word charity?

          • Wilma Mills

            I’d say it’s love for God and others. I think it’s 1st Cor. 13 that tells us what charity is.

  • Ceirwyn

    The only nationalism God cares about is toward the Kingdom of God.

    I came to the same conclusion as you on where satan’s throne is and who is going to be a problem in revelation (so have the other few folks I know and respect for their knowledge and thought on scripture). It seems fairly obvious if you look at everything in context.

    I think one of the trickiest things for a Christian in America to understand is that once you’re grafted into God via that covenant, the power to do the things God wants comes from Him not you. So many Christians keep struggling with obeying God because they’re trying to dredge up their own willpower instead of telling God they can’t and asking for Him to do it though them (and taking communion). God does the work, even giving you His will to obey the Father, so He gets all the glory and you get none.

    And if you are even half paying attention, the Holy Spirit will hound you endlessly if you start to rebel against His will.

    • Indeed Ceirwyn, I see many today are falling right back into ultra-nationalism. Man its growing leaps and bounds and its troubling, especially in Europe and is why we want to focus on this issue lest some fall.

  • Wilma Mills

    “Christ is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification.”

    • Julie LaBrecque

      Strive for holiness without which no one will see the Lord.

      • Wilma Mills

        “For by GRACE (unmediated favor) are ye saved through FAITH, and that not of yourselves, it is the GIFT of God and NOT of works, lest any man should boast.” Eps. 2:8-9

        “Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt, (God owes you) but to him that worketh not, but believeth on Him that justified the ungodly, HIS FAITH is counted for righteousness.” Rms. 4:4-5

        “…without holiness no man shall see the Lord.” There’s two senses to this verse. The Lord said “seek my face” now on earth. When we,walk with the leading of the Holy Spirit, we have, and can see by faith His smiling countinence shining on us.
        Christ gave me his righteousness and eternal sanctification so that I can stand in His presence one day. “He is able to sanctify them forever who come to God by him.”

        • We all know this Wilma.

        • susan

          Wilma, the very bible you quote..that you believe in…through grace and faith…was compiled and put together by the early church which was Catholic. So your roots are Catholic in origin…now later Luther came along and removed books…changed doctrine and now generations have been robbed of the truth. When we tell you we agree with what you believe AND we state further what Jesus ALSO taught…which we must by grace and faith believe AND practice…then a lot of Protestants (of which I was one) fall back and declare its too hard to believe…just as the 70 did who walked away from Jesus and their salvation. AND Jesus ALLOWED them to walk away. We don’t see Him running after them…trying to convince them to stay. Jesus was getting ready to implement a “new practice”. Instead of a real lamb for the Passover feast…Jesus gave to His disciples His real flesh and blood. Under the veil of bread and wine..Jesus gives us His body and blood. When we say the Lord’s Prayer…”give us this day our daily bread…” Why do you believe Jesus put “daily bread” into that prayer? God allows miracles to take place…the unveiling..and these miracles are still taking place today. I’m not trying to change your “religion”. What i am trying to do is show you your true roots. One of the accusations I heard most often on my journey home to Catholicism was this…”I just can’t believe that God would….” (fill in the blank). In today’s world, where so much information is available at the touch of a finger…I don’t see how it will be possible for us to justify to our Lord why we chose not to investigate ALL of His commands to see whether or not they were truth worthy and true. Whether or not our belief or disbelief and practice of them would cause our own damnation. Whether or not we might possibly be one of those who will be protesting our condemnation..crying Lord, Lord I cast out demons in your name! I did miracles of healing in your name! I prophesied in your name! Notice that these are NOT small deeds. They are great deeds! I’d be very excited if if so and so prayed in Jesus’ name and I got a miraculous healing!! Or delivered from a demon because Reverand so and so cast it out in Jesus’ name. Or if I received a prophesy or word of knowledge from miss so and so that came true in Jesus’ name. These are things that happen in nearly EVERY church today. But according to Jesus…these works WON’T get you into heaven. But feeding, clothing and visiting those in prison are works that WILL. Now of course Jesus commanded us to do other things as well. We must be obedient in ALL things. It is interesting that Jesus gave a stark condemnation…”I NEVER KNEW YOU”. It makes me wonder…did they really know Jesus? Obviously they thought they did… Somewhere they MUST have rejected Jesus…

          • Wilma Mills

            How can you make sure you obey Jesus and purchase what he says you need?
            I’m sure of this”…for to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. We are confident I say, and willing rather to depart and be with Christ which is far better.”

          • susan

            From Catholic Answers:

            “This sounds pretty definitive, I agree. The problem is, St. Paul never said those words or anything like them. This is a misquotation of II Cor. 5:6,8 that we hear quite often from Evangelicals. I immediately took the pastor and all in the room to the actual text–adding verses nine and ten for clarity’s sake–which we read together:

            So we are always of good courage; we know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord . . . we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord. So whether we are at home or away, we make it our aim to please him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive good or evil, according to what he has done in the body.

            The only thing St. Paul claims we have absolute assurance of is the fact that while we are sojourning on earth, we are “away from the Lord.” He then states his aspiration is to be “away from the body and at home with the Lord.” We would all concur with this sentiment. But this is not a definitive declaration that “absence from the body” means ipso facto that we would be “present with the Lord.”

            Reading verses nine and ten, we find the greater point St. Paul is making. We must all live to please God at all times in view of the fact that we will all stand before God at the Final Judgment, where we will receive either “good or evil” according to our works done in this life. There is not even a hint of an absolute assurance of salvation anywhere to be found here.”

          • Wilma Mills

            I’m so busy with Christmas prep and fatigued and pain of RA, I’ll have to get back with you later on this one Susan, but LORD willing I will. 🙂

          • susan

            lol. That’s okay Wilma. We can continue our bible study together after Christmas. :).
            God bless you and yours.

  • Lactantius comments? Wow. Reading a wide range of reporting on events, he describes now. Without a nuclear war volcanoes are bowing all over the planet. The sun is in a solar minimum cycle with these giant ‘holes’. Chemtrail spraying is ongoing. Rukushima is ongoing. The gulf oil blow out is ongoing. All this is in the atmosphere. A nuke war would just top it off. Scientists who are not bought by the U.N. already say we are going into a mini ice age. There was a year, 1816 I believe is called the year without summer. that was just one volcano. what is going on now looks to me to reflect end time events.
    Good point also that the anti Christ appears after the apostasy has begun, not before. I used to argue with a guy on a forum who came in loaded up with his Catholic hate and backed by the reformers. I asked him over and over which pope was the anti Christ? He finally said it was the office of the pope. How can that be? Revelation says two individuals are thrown into the lake of fire, not an office. Having said that, the rebellion appears to be underway. I’m afraid there will be problems for some who believe the popes can do no wrong. I read an article today about the atmosphere in the Vatican and it is not good. It is oppressive and what is being pushed is progressive. This is not a good time for slumbering.

    • sorry for the multiple spelling errors. We all are editors

    • Indeed anyone who announced the falling away prematurely is a deceiver according to Paul. Got that from the works of St. Bellarmine. This alone proves that the official church cannot be fake since only Antichrist and the Falling away will come together and as long as that has not happened yet, the church is still “authority”.

    • Kamau41

      Hey Craig, read this regarding the sunspot min. This cycle could last for the next few decades.

      • Been hearing the warnings for several years about global cooling coming from scientists who are not on the U.N. payroll. I’m astonished that so many people don’t seem to notice the calamities coming upon the earth. It is just everything coming at once, one after another. I know I’ve got a ways to go in obedience to the Lord. A couple of things I don’t know how to fix because of where I live. But if I was devoid of faith and was aware of what I see unfolding, I would be crushed by anguish and fear. Thankfully I know where it all leads.
        One thing they didn’t mention in that little film that is different from the 17 hundred is the population. There are many more mouths to feed now. At it is going to be a challenge growing crops.

    • Julie LaBrecque

      And so it goes – as it always has- I’ve read that 4 out of 5 Bishops sided with Arius – and the minority position, the correct position, prevailed at the Council of Nicea…fast forward to the 16th century – Henry VIII – almost all clergy sided with the ‘wrong’ position (to grant an annulment) with the exception of St. John Fisher. We will weather the storm.

      • John Fisher. Now that name rings a bell. Yes. To the best speaker I have ever heard in my life:

        I love that Pope.

  • ezekiel22

    Does all of this mean I am supposed to obey what the Catholic Church says and what the Pope says? If I do not that means that I and others will be going to Hell? If not then how do I discern the truth? If I question what is said does that condemn me? If yes why and if not why? Jesus my Lord is not the author of confusion so there had better be a strongly consistent answer to all those issues above.
    My understanding is just as there are jews in all the world some of them not yet counted such as in Africa and Palestine there are also many Christians in and out of the Catholic Church. Paul and Peter even had a big fight over qualifications in the Church which is where we get the admonition to not eat meat sacrificed to idols. This incident in Acts also is a chief bulwark against judaizers then and today. Look at Apollos preaching Jesus before he was ordained. What about those believers?
    You mentioned the wide gate that leads to condemnation. I could get very wordy here on that one. Those that trust not in Jesus are guaranteed to follow that path. You put your trust in a man, organization, The Law, any church to save you from Hell and you are condemned already. There is no doctrine of man that can save you. It is by Grace alone that we are saved. Those that genuinely accept Christ as Lord and Savior are not perfect in the sight of men; just in the sight of God. They spend the rest of their human lives growing in that grace some slower than others but we grow! So many times I have stated that we approach our salvation with fear and trembling not taking what Christ did lightly and thanking Him everyday. James the brother of Jesus aka the Bishop of Jerusalem had the nickname of Camel Knees. Do you know why? Did you know that he thought Jesus was not all together in the head? Yet look how he changed.
    It is fair enough that you have shown that the tribes named are in Turkey as well as the nations that Christ judges are all islamic. The pre-trib crowd in their dispensational eschatology never made sense if you were to try to draw it out on a time line. Since the Bible was written to priests, kings, shepherds, and fisherman as well as farmers the KISS rule should be able to be employed successfully. That means the simplest explanation is correct. God only confounds His foes not those seeking Him.

    • “Does all of this mean I am supposed to obey what the Catholic Church says and what the Pope says?”


      Has it not been said that at times you do what the Pharisee tells you to do but you do not do what they do? Has Israel severed from David’s authority because he sinned or from Solomon’s because he brought in strange gods?

      • ezekiel22

        Thanks for the reply Walid. When I posted that I figured that I would be blackballed from your site.
        You have a wonderful message to share to the world. I even understand not only that you strongly disagree with Luther and Calvin but why. As you know I disagree with the Catholic Church on different points. Believe it or not I think disagreements are a good thing when kept in a civil exchange. Since Peter and Paul argued between themselves the Church still grew both Messianic Jews and Gentiles. It should be the same today as long as nobody is asked to or made to compromise faith.
        Calvinists do have issues just bring up pre-destination. Lutherans are no angels regardless of what the upper echelons say. Both belong to the WCC and both have signed onto many anti-Israel proclamations that completely ignore what is said by God about them.
        I know that you have heard about some of the corruption of previous Popes. The non-Catholic world is not without sin in that area. I mean after all we have had Marjo Gortner a child evangelist, Oral Roberts, Joel Osteen, Hagee, Creflo Dollar, etc, as well as cults like Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses and Moonies. They all had the same fault in that they all instead of pointing to Christ they pointed to themselves. They all compromised the simplicity and the surety of the Gospel for their gain.
        When I was a lot younger I was privileged to witness denominations slur each other and that includes the Catholic Church. Even then and after I was saved I knew that that was not of Christ. I also heard insults from Catholics too. The question to be asked is why? We are to serve Christ not fight each other. There are instances or better yet examples of people preaching Jesus without the blessing of the Apostles. There are people being baptized by the Holy Spirit before they are Baptized in water. My point is that there are many Christians in this world that do not belong to the Catholic Church but would still lay down their lives for you regardless. I am sure you have worked with some already considering your Rescue work. As a family the Church fights but they forget to kiss and make up.
        While we both know the answer to your question in the end I will answer by citing past history. In my church members can challenge the pastor within certain bounds. I still maintained membership and attendance even though one pastor was an adulterer, one was an embezzler, and another was weak and another liked young girls. However it still cost in lost membership and fodder for Satan. We can still maintain and grow through Jesus but when your leadership is AWOL it is not easy.

  • infowolf1

    the virgins in the parable were not going to wed the bridegroom that woman was waiting for him in the house, these were party goers from the town a wedding is a big event for everyone in a village and also they would be a formal escort for Him.

    • Wilma Mills

      They were like bridesmaids.Sort of.

  • infowolf1

    Here is a verse to answer those unwise vergins spouting verses out of context: Jesus speaking:

    “And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
    ” Luke 6:46

  • Julie LaBrecque

    A fascinating and enlightening read – superb and timely information in an easy-to-digest format- your research is stellar – keep these types of articles coming!!

    • Sure thing doc. Sure thing.

      • Julie LaBrecque

        You always have a new angle… a new find… a new discovery …a new nugget – thanks for all your (includes Maria) hard work.

  • chinese

    When it comes to making it to heaven the two schools in Christendom offer the same exact view with two slightly different takes. While both Catholics and Protestants teach that “believing in Christ” takes one to heaven; the slight difference is that the Catholic school teaches that the word “believe” entails obeying every single instruction Christ commanded.

    Very true indeed.

  • chinese

    Christ said that Pergamum is the “seat of satan” (Revelation 2:12-13). Yet for centuries these rude virgins turned the lights off this one and taught that Rome was the seat of satan instead of Pergamum.

    I believe Pergamum is the seat of Satan.

    • mspip

      that is correct!

  • chinese

    These days you have a better chance finding such a high quality priesthood to be “made in China” than the Western brand.

    Thank you Mr Walid but there are currently also many great Western Missionaries and Bible Teachers too. I want to thank, on behalf of Asia, all the western Missionaries and Bible Teachers who had brought the Teaching of Christ to us. They had indeed saved our many souls from the lake of fire.

    • Indeed Chinese. These western missionaries are dwindling and maybe tomorrow the missionaries will come from China to the West.

      • Стефан Евгений

        Walid, It breaks my heart to read comments to kill, blow up Moslems and Jews, and even Russians like me. God shows mercy on who he wishes.. I was not brought up like that. Old Russians told stories like this one by Met, Philaret, of blessed memory ( his body is incorrupt)

        I wish that FAKE! Russian Orthodox monk would just go away and work out his own salvation. Real Jew News is just nasty. All of us Russians here know he is a nutter and needs meds.
        He does not speak for the church.
        Russians with proper churching know we are all guilty for the downfall of the Tsar. It was the Russian Nobles have more blood on there hands than the Communist Jews.
        Happy St Nicolas Day Walid.
        Miracles of St Nicolas

        • mspip

          you must mean “brother nathan” … so he is a fake?? a friend sent me some of his writings.

          • Стефан Евгений

            Yes, he is not in a monastery. and has a cross on the outside…. only a priest can do that… he’s not a priest.

            The Synod of Bishops of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia has recently received repeated complaints about the activities of and statements made by a certain Nathanael (Kapner), who lives on the territory of the Western American Diocese, but has no relation to it.

            The clergymen and laity of the Russian Church Abroad are hereby informed that the actions of Nathanael (Kapner) do not have the blessing of the Synod of Bishops.

            Profoundly saddened by the state of his soul, we call upon Nathanael (Kapner) to refrain from posting on the Internet, to a life of repentance of peace in Christ, “where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all” (Colossians 3:11).

            Archbishop of Western America and San Francisco
            Secretary of the Synod of Bishops.

            July 17, 2013

          • mspip

            thanks for the information about this person. do not want any more of his writings.

          • Higlac

            Yes, I remember encountering a few of his videos: his rabid anti-Semitism immediately turned me off. Thank God that the wretch got recognised at this end post-haste. After all, that entire “Replacement Theology” is entirely ODIOUS!!!!

          • Стефан Евгений

            and he is a Jewish convert,,,,,, to Orthodoxy OHY!!!!!

          • mspip

            have not seen his postings for quite a while, don’t plan on looking again.

        • I knew I would not be disappointed to click on your links. Wonderful, comforting stories of miracles when people have no answers. Thank you.

          • Стефан Евгений

            Need more? thanks brother.

        • Tom_mcewen

          Yes, I like Putin but he is not the Tsar, I wish the Russians would crown a Tsar of the blood. I think Russia would be better for it, the nobles not at all, treasonous bums most of them. I remember when the great…grandson of Tolstoy returned to Russia, the women would come to him to resolve issues and to one up one another because in their minds he was the count. The loss of the Tsar was more destructive then can be imagined.

          • Стефан Евгений

            All of our holy Elders speak of God revealing an Orthodx Tsar, the key is deap repentance, its happening, but we are not there yet. the Ac will fear him.

    • Grandmere

      Hudson Taylor comes to mind. Merry Christmas, my Chinese brother.

  • Methusalem

    Thanks Walid, a wonderful read, as usual!

    When I read the news about the Turkish government’s ban on Christmas celebrations and songs at a German high school in Turkey, my immediate thought was, Turkey is embarrassing Europe on a daily basis, and Turkey depends almost for everything on European nations, so, why are these nations reluctant to take a tough measurement or sanctions against the evil state of Turkey? It didn’t take them a week to impose sanction against Orthodox Russia. Our Judeo-Christian God tells us the fear of the LORD is a fountain of life. So, is it possible that European nations are now fearful of Satan who dwells in Pergamum? Does this explain their reluctance?

    On another note, I found a story on the UK’s Daily Star how Theodore predicted the exact date of the end of the world. When did Theo predict that? I never found his take on that!

    • Thanks Methusalem,

      People read that trash called the Daily Star? We never predicted any dates. NEVER. Its a grave sin. They never show a quote or link from us and they use some guy named Parker who predicted a date and then they blame it on us.

      What a twisted pile of trash that website is. I have even seen Youtube videos supposedly by us making similar claims. False. Fabrications. Slander. Trash and nothing more.

  • You read my ten miles long article jmaggief and the least I can do is read your kind comment 🙂 Thanks for the “all of a sudden” correction. Grammar is a thorn in my side.

    Merry Christmas to you too and to your family.

    • Grandmere

      But I like “all of the sudden”. It’s just one of many things that make you unique. Please keep saying it.

  • Bill,

    So glad to read your comment brother Bill Bearback. Wish that we some day get an opportunity and have a breakfast altogether and add some eggs, bacon and sausage to that corn and white bread 😉 you speak of. What a breakfast that would be 😉

    All I do is bring the strong coffee to help us all wake up.

  • “Dont most Evangelicals believe (the final) Anti-Christ will be Muslim?”

    No. Most Evangelicals do not believe that Antichrist will be Muslim. This idea began only years ago when we pioneered it. Indeed, many Evangelicals are the kindest of Christians and they care for Catholics and Copts. But they also convert Copts and Catholics to their denomination when they are better off concentrating on the 10-40 window.

    • harbidoll

      You did have a big influence but they think “from out of Arabia”. Dont know of the 10-40 window.

      • 10-40 is the Muslim world.

        • mspip

          thank you, was wondering what the 10-40 is, continually learning things here. just who did evangelicals think the antichrist would be?

          • Raph Sebastian

            Rome and the Pope.

  • Catholic and Orthodox. No one wants to regain Asia Minor more than the Orthodox.

  • Eric Mueller

    Off topic but I thought I’d share my third favorite TSO Christmas song.

    “Another year has come and past
    Like moments through an hourglass
    And at the end of this year’s trail
    An offering, a final tale

    Of love, long lost
    And then refound
    And the child by which
    Those dreams were bound

    Of a dusty hotel
    That was long past old
    And the shadows and the memories
    Its hallways still hold

    For things that are old
    Have the best tales to tell
    And usually,
    They tell them well

    And so it’s here, my dear children
    That our story truly starts
    When the lord sent once more to the earth
    An angel, with a childlike heart

    And on this night his mission was
    To find somewhere on this earth
    That human that best reflected his son
    And carried on his work

    And since this mission from his lord
    Had to be completed on this one night
    The angel quickly unfolded his wings
    And towards the earth took flight

    And this night, in case you have not guessed
    Was once more christmas eve
    When snow and light and angels’ flights
    All together weave

    But of the angel’s instructions
    There was one thing more
    That would make this journey to the earth
    Harder than all the ones before

    For the lord had also told the angel
    That he could only use his wings twice this christmas eve
    Once when he descended to the earth
    And once more when he would leave
    (not unlike ourselves some think,
    Or at least so i believe)

    Now this put quite a complication
    In what the angel planned
    For now he had to choose most carefully
    Exactly where he would land

    He needed to find a single place
    That would represent all mankind
    But humans were such a varied lot
    Such a place would surely be hard to find

    A single place where there would be
    Humans of every race and creed
    The rich and poor, the thrilled and bored
    The failures with those who succeed

    But after a few moments
    Carefully placed in thought
    The answer appeared in the angel’s mind
    The city called new york

    And as he neared that city
    Where all those souls did dwell
    He felt himself being drawn towards
    An old, rundown hotel

    For in a city that usually had
    Guards at nearly every single door
    This one just had a sign that said “vacancies,
    There is always room for one more”

    Now why the angel decided to stop there
    He could not quite say the reason
    But he thought the sign upon that hotel
    Somehow fit the sentiment of this season

    Now even after all these years
    The building was still a work of art
    And though some facade had crumbled here and there
    Most still had their parts

    The walls were made of granite
    Not aluminum or steel
    And every pillar and ballistrade
    Still had its artist’s feel

    Every gutter had a gargoyle
    Every gargoyle had its wings
    For angels can appreciate
    Other flying things

    So he landed on a cathedral roof
    Across the street from that hotel
    And looked down upon the world below
    Where all those souls did dwell

    And sitting on that rooftop
    With his friend the winter wind
    He gazed carefully at that scene below
    As he slowly took it in ”

    “On a street in the night
    In the cold winter’s light
    A child stands alone and she’s waiting

    And the light that’s out there
    It just hangs in the air
    As if it was just hesitating

    And the snow it comes down
    And it muffles the sound
    Of dreams on their way to tomorrow

    And when they appear
    This night will hold them near
    For where they will lead
    She will follow

    For here in this city of lights
    This evening awakens
    The dreams that it might
    The winter it conjures
    The spells it will weave
    The snow gently covers the ground
    Christmas eve

    In this scene
    On this night
    There’s an ancient hotel
    Where shadows they do tend to wander

    And the ghosts that live here
    Hold each moment so dear
    For time’s not a thing one should squander

    And they recount their sand
    As it runs through their hand
    And examine each moment for meaning

    It can be wished upon
    Till the moment it’s gone
    Like day disappears into evening

    For here in this city of lights
    This evening awakens
    The dreams that it might
    The winter it conjures
    The moment is seized
    The snow gently covers the ground
    Christmas eve

    Merry christmas
    Merry christmas
    Merry christmas
    Merry christmas


    Through this night
    The dream still wanders
    As it was meant to be
    And every year this night grows fonder

    Of children and circumstance
    Caught in this childhood dance
    As the world turns around
    Keeping dreams on the ground

    Windows of frosted ice
    Prisming candlelight
    And somehow we
    Start to believe

    In the night and the dream
    As it cuts through the noise
    With the whisper of snow
    As it starts to deploy

    In the depths of a night
    That’s about to begin
    With the feeling of snow
    As it melts on your skin

    And it covers the land
    With a dream so intense
    That it returns us all
    To a child’s innocence

    And then what you’d thought lost
    And could never retrieve
    Is suddenly there to be found
    On christmas eve
    On christmas eve
    On christmas…”

  • A Jesus-style question would be:

    Which is easier: to have faith alone or prove you have faith by putting them into action?

  • Dough Believer:

    I have taught on Replacement Theology while you were spinning in the flour mixer before you became a lump of dough. You’re funny. Have you baked a couple loafs yet? How is your Hebrew? Has it advanced from since you only knew how to spell “יהוה”? You are still drinking that same stash of RCC Cola?
    Have you evolved from the dough to become Maïmonide et Averroès?

    Humor us more about your greatest accomplishments Mr. soft pillsbury by quoting something from the article and then commenting with use of original sources.

    Until then, we’ll keep punching the dough to remove the air caused by the leaven.

    “Jews equated Rome to Edom, not only it sounds very similar, but also the RCC doctrine of replacement theology and anti-semitism and persecution (inquisition, disputation) did everything to make that point.”

    Does a dough know anything besides repeating this mush?

    • Julie LaBrecque

      Poof – and he is gone like a fart in the wind.

      • Стефан Евгений

        You made my day dear Lol. it was in the 80s n over night it dropped to 25 degrees. You are keeping me warm by laughing so hard. Have a happy Christmas dear!

  • Jesus gave us His criteria on how He will judge all of us on the Day of the Lord.

    He also was quite emphasizing the value of works, “Let your light so shine that men may see your good works and glorify your Father who is in heaven.”

    Well done, Richard. Actions speaks louder than words, indeed.

  • Wilma Mills

    My last comment disappeared.

    • Don’t know how that happens. I thought the Rapture was supposed to take the believers. Instead is took the comment and you were left behind 😉

      • Hahaha, priceless! SNAP!

        • mspip

          gigantic snap

      • Grandmere


      • Raph Sebastian

        Laughed so hard I had tears in my eyes!

      • Wilma Mills

        I found it. My tablets getting old and feeble like me, but soon I’ll be changed and perfect like Jesus. 😉

      • mspip

        you got the best of her!!!

      • Kamau41

        Too Funny.

    • Tom_mcewen

      Wilma, think of it this way, it was dynamic and no doubt stunning, the best thing ever written, a comment to knock us off our chairs, I hope it never appears I prefer to think of it that way, you can reference it to answer any argument at any time. It is definitely the my father can beat your father. I like comments that disappear the best. I up voted your comment.

  • Renato Steri

    By the way, Hitler considered Slavs an inferior race, that’s why he wanted to occupy their countries and exterminate the inhabitants. That is a very good argument for holocaust deniers, why nobody try to deny the deaths of Slavic peoples in the extermination camps of Hitler? Obviously it doesn’t suit the political agenda.

  • Dan

    Walid , breaking news ; the ambassador to Russia was just shot in the back and killed while at a show in Ankara
    .Andrey Karlov was visiting a photo exhibition when he was shot in the back, local media reports. Photos from the scene showed a man lying on the ground with an armed man dressed in a suit standing near him. Mr Karlov had represented Russia in the country since 2013.

    The Russian foreign ministry confirmed the attack mounted as Ambassador Andrei Karlov made a speech at the opening of a photographic exhibition. Hurriyet newspaper said Turkish special forces had surrounded the building. NTV said three other people were wounded.

    • Juan

      The Theotokos will protect Holy Russia and will guide Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. Pray for Her intercession for Russia.

  • Juan

    It’s quite interesting that in his speech after Aleppo’s conquest president Bashar el Assad mentioned explicitly Our Lord Jesus but not demonic Muhammad. He told about the prophet but not mentioning any name.
    Satan is acting now through the Turkish policeman (not confirmed) that killed Russian ambassador. The demon have no patience because he knows he is already defeated and his only triumph is to kill, to hate and to perish in his own arrogance.

    • susan

      He knows his time is short. He still thinks he can win.

      • Hi Susan,
        Not as a point of argument but only an opinion. I’m doubtful Satan and his little army think they can win. I think they know their fate all to well and their aim now is simply to destroy all of God’s creation.
        Matthew 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
        That doesn’t sound like a statement of possible victory but one of resignation.

        • susan

          Ah well. Perhaps you can tell him that when you meet him. That he’s resigned to his fate. Personally…I haven’t seen his resignation papers yet. I’m not sure they exist.

          Of course I’m saying this tongue in cheek. ;). And what you quoted in the bible is absolutely correct.

    • Стефан Евгений

      Juan, how is your Russian? this is from Russian TV.

      • Juan

        I don’t speak Russian, Stefan… just understand a bunch of isolated words.

        • Стефан Евгений

          Like my English,LOL

          • Grandmere

            Kind of like me saying Nastrovia? LOL

          • Стефан Евгений

            Even I have problems with Russian, I have to ask sometimes. You foget if you don’t use it often. We have words in Ruslish they don’t have in Russia.

  • I don’t believe in the pre-trib rapture. The Catholics look too for the Second Coming and are taught to actively to live for today.

  • Стефан Евгений

    Brick, we would like nothing better than to get this church back.

  • Ozibarb

    I was brought up in a very anti catholic family, so the things Walid says about Protestant hatred of Catholics, and all the lies they sprout, I experienced first hand. I converted to catholic only a year ago. I married a catholic, and all his family were devout Catholic, so I began to learn a little truth. Then I stumbled across Walids path, and have learnt soooo much more.

  • By the way, you didn’t answer the Jesus-style question I asked.

  • So, which is it, a or b?

  • David W

    On Saturday we had the opportunity to venerate the Relics of Saint John of Damascus and the Icon of the Theotokos “With Three Hands”. And I remembered Walid’s writings, and how he introduced more than a few of us (in 2014) to the work of St John of Damascus. I am thrilled to read his denunciation of the vile iconoclasts and his understanding of the Islamic nature of the Antichrist. May you and Theo and Maria have a blessed Christmas!

    • St. John of Damascus’ critique of Islam is huge. Before the Shoebat, he was the first to link Islam to Arianism, separated only by five centuries, after St. Athanasius exposed the fallacies of Arianism before the First Nicene Council.

  • Tom_mcewen

    it is just an accident of my interpretation which I reject because I am not Luther Zwingli Calvin or a stranger to the body, put I liked the Eagle will also invade the Muhammeden countries, I thought not of the US but the two headed Byzantine empires eagle on the coat of arms of the Russia state. The southern empire of the slovs will form a great empire I thought of the catholic Visegrad states. The Russians will not be pleased with the murder of their representative in Turkey and there will not be bear hugs and tea, there will be Putin putting his fingerprints on justice Russia style.

    • I took careful note of Putin’s statement. They wants to send their own people to Turkey to investigate and find out exactly who ordered this murder. Patient, careful and determined. Last Thursday Obama said they were going to hit Russia in their own way and time for the fictional election hacking. Obama as usual went golfing. His so called government is littered with Muslim Brotherhood. How much trouble can and will this one cause in the month he has left?

      • Стефан Евгений

        “How much trouble can and will this one cause in the month he has left?” Lots i’m afraid Craig. It’s the snake that you cut the head off you look out for.
        My father would put me out to “flag” for the crop duster to spray STAM, on the rice (America not Russia guys). I had a brella in one hand, and a rice spade in the other. the spray would burn the snakes, and Huge! cottonmouths come out mad and bite at you.
        Cut their head off with the spade…. then that is why you had to be cautious, they can still bite with poison fangs. Obama reminds me of the cottonmouth just when you think it’s dead it can still kill or make you suffer.

        • susan

          My goodness! You’re very brave!

          • Стефан Евгений

            The cottenmouth was easy, it was my father. i avoided trouble with. No sissy works on a farm

          • susan

            I do remember picking blackberries as a child. And found a huge snake coiled up in the middle of a large brangey bush. The next time I went picking for blackberries I was very careful not to pick them deep from the bushes where the snake may be hiding. So concerned about the inner bush berries…I had taken my eyes off the top berries…When lo and behold the huge snake was now crawling on top of the huge bushes! That was enough for me. I went and picked off the little bushes. 😉

  • Kevin Nicholson

    “Christ said that salvation was a “narrow gate,” why then is “Christendom” the widest gate?”

    “Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.” Romans 11:22-23

    God is an equal opportunity Boss and brings glad tidings:

    “work out your salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.” Philippians 2:12b-13

    Well done Maria – er Walid, well whoever is in charge… : }

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Kudos to you!!!!!!! Now let’s hope Wilma listens….I’m not holding my breath

  • Jenny,

    “Actually Wally the demons believe in CHRIST.”

    Really? Didn’t know that.

    “Christians put their faith in Him”

    Really? Didn’t know that.

    “like putting on a parachute and jumping out of a plane.”

    O ya, the parachute thing.

    “Biblical Christains don’t sit on their buts”

    The don’t?

    “we serve Him and live for Him out of love for Him.”

    HOW DO YOU SERVE HIM? Examples please?

    “We surrender our lives to Him even unto death.”

    When did you face death for Him? Can you provide us examples?

    “We don’t have to do good works to get into heaven”

    Now that sounds like you are sitting on your butts. No one goes to heaven for their works, but out of love of God we work.

    “we are saved by faith”

    No. We are saved by GRACE through FAITH. Get your priorities straight. Faith is a mental work. So here you failed the test of salvation already.

    Can you answer the Jesus style questions in the article instead of making us all have to listen to the same record playing out of the same jukebox? Can you show me a single line you wrote that we haven’t heard a million times over and over and over?

  • “You hear all this, but you cannot comprehend one bit of it”

    So you know what I comprehend and what I do not comprehend?

    All I was saying is that why do you think it necessary to repeat yourselves over and over and over and over of things we ALREADY COMPREHEND?

    “your still on the Catholic crusade and Mary bandwagon”

    I see. This is your bone of contention. The bone always somehow comes out.

    Now kindly, if you care to challenge what is in the article, then quote and challenge, otherwise, lets not waste any more time because you sound like a windmill.

  • You are completely incorrect on the Spanish Inquisition. It actually saved many Jews from being unjustly condemned by a mob mentality.

    Second, the idea that we are to keep the Sabbath is in violation of what is taught under the new covenant as Jesus is our Sabbath Rest. What you are proposing is what is called Judazing the faith and that has been condemned by St. Paul and by centuries worth of Church Councils.

    Replacement theology is utterly false. The Church has never replaced Israel but rather became a continuance of Israel. The Mass that is held daily where bread are broken (literally) and the liturgy are all heavily rooted in Judaism.

  • All I see in your comment is contradiction.

    On one hand you say you pray for Walid for the “fog” to be lifted, and then on the other hand you shame him.

    Well, I would rather be a Catholic than be one of the multiple, ever dividing Protestant camps that cannot even agree on which interpretation of the Scriptures are correct.

  • Wilma Mills

    For the second time the same scripture verse I put on here has been removed. The last time was about a year ago. Hummm.

  • Rebellious spirit. The Bible says nothing of what you wrote here. Hebrews 13:17 “Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.”

    You are obeying yourself. And when you accused “twisted arguments” and such, without providing any evidence it constitutes slander and disobedience to God’s word which prohibits slander.

  • You say the “Bible clearly states” without clearly stating what the Bible states. You are too lazy to even look up the Bible much try to refute an article which does NOT predict dates or does it pin-point the name of the Antichrist.

    Stop wasting comment space and worry about your own confusions. Its either that or contribute something intelligent.

  • Aww aren’t you precious? You tell me to stop wasting time yet you are wasting time bashing others for monitoring the signs of the time.

  • The Jews were expelled because the Protestants poisoned the Spanish monarch. That is one thing you will never ever hear from pro Israel lobby. The Vatican protested and it fell on deaf ears of the Spanish monarch.

    Ever wondered why the ships that sailed to the new world had Catholic names? That was something that always bothered me and now I know why. The Church went to great pain of protecting the Jews.

    And it’s not surprising to hear you adhere to “sola scriptura”.

  • Thomas F Madden is an authority on the Spanish Inquisition and having access to the Vatican documents on what really went happened, I would give it a thorough read.

    As for the Ezekiel two stick, why do you ignore that when Christ came, He said, “I have come to seek the lost sheeps of the house of Israel?” What you are arguing from is from a wrong teaching known as British-Israelism which is a heresy.

    Second, the New Testament flatly refute your claim that to observe the Torah and the Law is to disregard Christ’s work at the Cross.

    It’s painfully evident you are part of a Jewish Christian cult.

  • “I am very skeptical about all this Catholic talk.”

    What if it was Coptic talk? What the word Catholic alarms you?

    Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic

    How do you feel now? More alarmed? Sounds like sirens?

    • lol another good one! I’m feeling rather skeptical about those who belong to a church which has been around 50-100 years, or 500 years somehow think they have cornered the market on truth and apostolic churches which have been here since the days of the apostles spreading truth before there was a bible are somehow deficient. This is like an infant trying to instruct the parent.

  • I am following what is in the Scriptures. You simply are not paying attention to what is taught under the new covenant and as such it is YOU that is making the new covenant null and void by insisting on adhering to a modern Hebrew interpretation instead of what the Church have taught since the time of the apostles.

  • “You might reconsider your doctrine. You have to choose to accept The Holy Bible as the word of God or you reject it.”


    Stop repeating what we hear all the time. We reject YOUR private interpretation of the Bible. Show us ONE word where we “rejected the Bible”?

    On the contrary, it is YOU who rejected centuries worth of interpretations. So stop with this pious talk that you uphold the Bible while pointing fingers at us of not doing so.

  • Stop accusing me of censorship because you would be full of it.

  • You speak of scripture claiming that no authority is needed. Yet when scripture defies your statement as I quoted the very scripture you referred to which mandates you follow your pastor, instead you belabored unrelated nonsense. No one is speaking about me here or my ego, but your ego which rejected the scripture. Yet when you failed to address the quote (Hebrews 13:17) you resorted to empty accusations which proves a rebellious spirit. Therefore, I will refrain from addressing your nonsense any longer.

  • Peter, I do realize that me and you were born different. I happen to be the lucky one who was not born and lived to become an ass-kisser to some French guy named Calvin who believed in Islam style fatalism where he taught that evil is God’s will.

  • Lorilyn,

    Why is it very common in western circles to always have a compliment first, then I find the word “But” and I know where the message is going?

    Who is discussing salvation? And how can you say that you are a staunch supporter of Israel while at the same time be a staunch supporter of Luther who wrote “The Jews and Their Lies”?

    This would be like saying that you are a staunch supporter of both Hitler and the Jews.

    And why defend Luther who said “sin and sin boldly”:

    “If you are a preacher of grace, then preach a true and not a fictitious grace; if grace is true, you must bear a true and not a fictitious sin. God does not save people who are only fictitious sinners. Be a sinner and sin boldly, but believe and rejoice in Christ even more boldly … as long as we are here [in this world] we have to sin … No sin will separate us from the Lamb, even though we commit fornication and murder a thousand times a day.” (Letter to Melanchthon, August 1, 1521, American Edition, Luther’s Works, vol. 48, pp. 281-82. Von Loewenich Walther, Martin Luther: The Man and His Work, P.p. 204. Placher William Carl The Domestication of Transcendence: How Modern Thinking about God Went Wrong, P.p. 89. Bayne Peter Martin Luther, His Life and Work, Volume 2, P.p. 156-157.)

    I follow Christ, not Luther. Luther was evil. Very evil.

    • Lorilyn Roberts

      Walid, I’m not sure that Luther can be blamed for all the Nazism that you want to attribute to him. I am questioning how much can be, and I’m not condoning by any means his anti-Semitic comments later in life. It’s very disturbing. But there were other things that contributed to Germany’s nationalism that related to the retributions from WW I that Germany had to pay. It’s more complicated than you make it seem.

      The Catholic Church was in a mess — I’m sure you are familiar with the abuses, and Martin Luther challenged that. It needed to be done. To throw away the Protestant Reformation and what it meant is just wrong.

      There was also another issue you raised that I questioned — Edom. Edom comes down from Esau, where his descendants intermarried with the descendants of Ishmael. The descendants of this people group is not Rome. I couldn’t tell whether this is what you believe or you believe that Westerners have fallen for this lie.

      You are not from the West, and again, I just want to emphasize, some of the strongest supporters for Israel are Evangelical Christians. It is counterproductive to “throw the baby out with the bath water” when it comes to Martin Luther. He wasn’t evil. He might have been bitter in his old age, and certainly he was an imperfect human, but he was not evil as you said in your comments. He stood up to the Catholic church and brought about the reforms that were needed. I would encourage you to read some of Thomas Horn’s books on the Catholic Church. A good book to read that details the historical linkage of various people groups in the Middle East is “Isis, Iran, Israel: And the End of Days,” by Mark Hitchcock.

      Lastly, I am a staunch supporter of Israel. I am not a staunch supporter of Luther beyond the fact without him there would have been no Protestant Reformation. We are saved by grace, not by works. This was not the message the Catholic Church was preaching at that time. Christ alone is sufficient. And through our love for Christ, we are compelled to live our life for Christ and die for Him. Works follow because of His grace in us. But works do not save us. This was the crux of Martin Luther’s 95 Thesis. Surely you don’t think his 95 Thesis was evil….

      • “Walid, I’m not sure that Luther can be blamed for all the Nazism that you want to attribute to him.”

        No? Show me a single pope or Catholic Church father who wrote anything remotely close to Luther’s The Jews and Their Lies?

        “I am questioning how much can be, and I’m not condoning by any means his anti-Semitic comments later in life.”

        They were throughout his life not later. Have you ever read Luther’s life? Have you read “Martin Luther, Hitler’s Spiritual Ancestor” by Peter Winer?

        “But there were other things that contributed to Germany’s nationalism that related to the retributions from WW I that Germany had to pay. It’s more complicated than you make it seem.”

        Its not that complicated.

        “The Catholic Church was in a mess — I’m sure you are familiar with the abuses, and Martin Luther challenged that. It needed to be done. To throw away the Protestant Reformation and what it meant is just wrong.”

        There are always ‘messes’ its like saying that the Jews should have followed Absalom instead of David because David sinned.

        “There was also another issue you raised that I questioned — Edom. Edom comes down from Esau, where his descendants intermarried with the descendants of Ishmael. The descendants of this people group is not Rome. I couldn’t tell whether this is what you believe or you believe that Westerners have fallen for this lie”

        Edom is not Rome and has nothing to do with it. What are you getting at exactly?

        “You are not from the West”

        No. I am from Bethlehem. You will sing about us in couple days.

        “and again, I just want to emphasize, some of the strongest supporters for Israel are Evangelical Christians.”

        I know.

        “It is counterproductive to “throw the baby out with the bath water”

        Hmmm, excuse me but since I am from the east, maybe I need to understand here: when it comes to Evolution, should we throw Darwin out with the bathwater or should we keep baby Darwin and only throw out eugenics?

        How about Aryus? How about the Manichaeans and the Cathars? Should we not throw them out with the bathwater?

        What if I gave you a bowl punch and dropped in a cyanid drop. Should you throw out the whole bowel with the bathwater?

        I mean please explain this. Every time I write anything about Luther, I get this whole bathtub things. What do bathtubs have to do with Luther?

        “when it comes to Martin Luther. He wasn’t evil.”

        To advocate killing all Jews and burning their farms is “not evil”? Okay, I got it. Next article I will write will be about why we all should “kill Jews”. Would you comment on my blog with a comment “Walid, I don’t think you are evil”?

        Why is it when a smalltime Joe Shmow says something evil, they are condemned, but when one who is notoriously famous, says the same things, he is not condemned?

        I mean Pope Francis would never turn away an issue regarding the Armenian Genocide, yet everyone condemns the Pope. But when Mike Pence chickens out on the Armenians, he is praised. Why? Can you help me out, an ignorant man from a little village called Bethlehem? Here is the honorable Pence:

        “He might have been bitter in his old age”

        Why is it only people like Pence, Luther or Graham can be allowed to be “bitter in their old age” while others like the popes can’t?

        Can you please help a simple shepherd who cannot seem to fathom your western ways?

        “and certainly he was an imperfect human, but he was not evil as you said in your comments.”

        I see. So Luther is good but Pope Pius XII is evil?

        “He stood up to the Catholic church and brought about the reforms that were needed.”

        Reforms? What reforms? The Protestant reformation caused the 30 years war. Have you heard about it?

        “I would encourage you to read some of Thomas Horn’s books on the Catholic Church.”


        I consumed much more than Horn’s books.

        They all say that the Catholic Church killed millions of Christians. I have been searching to find these Christians so I can expose the Catholic Church. Can you help me out?

        Depending on which author one reads, the numbers even extends to 68 million, 100 million, 120 million, and 150 million Bible believing Christians murdered by the Catholic Church, a history that no one in history verified; neither was the Papacy born in 606 A.D. as claimed by John MacArthur, the “reputable” theologian.

        But drilling down to find where this came from, I obtained MacArthur’s quote in which he quoted John Dowling’s The History of Romanism, Book 8, Ch. 1, pp. 542, 543:

        From the birth of Popery in 600, to the present time, it is estimated by careful and credible historians, that more than FIFTY MILLION of the human family have been slaughtered for the crime of heresy by popish persecutors, an average of more than forty thousand religious murders for every year of the existence of Popery.

        And here is the crux of all this slander: in MacArthur’s quote, “According to Protestant Historian John Dowling,” as it turns out, John Dowling was a “pastor Dowling”, not “historian,” who held his pastorates in New York, Philadelphia.

        It even gets worse, besides that Dowling has no credentials in history; Dowling, while he stated “fifty million,” he simply created such numbers out of thin air, his note explaining the number he admits:

        No computation can reach the numbers who have been put to death, in different ways, on account of their maintaining the profession of the Gospel, and opposing the corruptions of the Church of Rome, A million Waldenses and Albigenses perished during a crusade proclaimed by Pope Innocent III in 1208; beginning from the establishment of the Jesuits in 1540 to 1580, nine hundred thousand were destroyed; one hundred and fifty thousand perished by the Inquisition in 30 years; within the space of thirty-eight years after the edict of Charles V against Protestants, fifty thousand persons were hanged, beheaded, or burned alive for heresy; eighteen thousand more perished during the administration of the Duke of Alva in five and a half years … but the total amount will never be known, till the earth shall disclose her blood (13)

        Dowling even admits that “no computation” was done, that the only way to know is that “till the earth shall disclose her blood”. There was no tally, yet an enormous number was provided despite that when we examine the statement, there were no “million Waldenses and Albigenses perished”.

        After noticing the outlandish quotes, I attempted to investigate even further as to what historian with his sane mind would declare that the Papacy murdered 100 million people. I finally found the source from a book, Who Are These Three Angels, by Jeff Wehr, P.p. 31-32:

        For professing faith contrary to the teachings of the Church of Rome, history records the martyrdom of more than one hundred million people. A million Waldenses and Albigenses perished during a crusade proclaimed by Pope Innocent III in 1208; beginning from the establishment of the Jesuits in 1540 to 1580, nine hundred thousand were destroyed; one hundred and fifty thousand perished by the Inquisition in 30 years; within the space of thirty-eight years after the edict of Charles V against Protestants, fifty thousand persons were hanged, beheaded, or burned alive for heresy; eighteen thousand more perished during the administration of the Duke of Alva in five and a half years.—Brief Bible Readings for Busy People , No. 8.

        The source used by Wehr, as it turned out, was from an insignificant booklet titled A Brief Bible Studies for Busy People (page 16), which was by Frances L. Carroll.

        Carroll wasn’t even a historian but a housewife.

        You heard it right.

        It even gets worse, she was a Jehovah’s Witness serving with her husband as full-time volunteer traveling ministers of Jehovah’s Witnesses. (14)

        Carroll, the housewife, simply plagiarized Dowling’s quote and simply inserted her own “one hundred million”.

        But this is only taking a couple of quotes randomly that I was able to find a monumental fraud and outright slander. The Protestant World Christian Encyclopedia says that Roman Catholics killed 4.9 million Christians. Of course, such source lumps the Manichaeans, Arians, Cathars, Priscillianists, Paulicians, Bogomiles, Waldensians, Albigensians, Lollards and Hussites as ‘Bible believing Christian’. Eliminate these heretics and the numbers go down drastically. The “millions” figure is not supported by any serious historian. It is difficult to manipulate history without notice and is why such authors resort to theologians proclaiming them as historians. That is these are self-ordained historians.

        I had even tracked countless publications to only find out the main sources for such false information were not credible:

        Peter De Rosa (aka Neil Boyd) was not a historian (15) but an X-priest, novel writer and Professor of Metaphysics.

        John Wesley was not a historian but a theologian.

        Alexander Hislop was not a historian but a Pastor of East Free Church of Arbroath in Scotland.

        Schmucker was not a historian but a Professor of Theology.

        William Craig Brownlee was not a historian but a reverend and an American clergyman and professor of languages.

        Joseph Martin McCabe was not a historian but an x-Catholic priest.

        Charles Buck was not a historian but a reverend and author of Theological Dictionary.

        Vergerius was not a historian but a religious ‘reformer’.

        Thomas Armitage was not a historian but a Protestant theologian.

        George Bourne was not a historian but a pastor.

        Cushing B. Hassell was not a historian but a writer.

        Dr. M. Geddes was not a historian but a Chaplain.

        John B. Wilder was not a historian but a writer.

        Taylor Bunch was not a historian but a Prophecy author.

        Nathaniel Crouch (pseud. Robert Burton) was not a historian but a writer. (16)

        Henry Southwell was not a historian but a reverend.

        John Wylie was a not a historian but minister of the Free Church of Scotland.

        J. M. Carroll was not a historian but a Southern Baptist minister.

        Avro Manhattan was not a historian but a British writer.

        Charles Chiniquy was not a historian, but a Canadian x-Catholic priest who was twice suspended from his priestly ministry (for moral turpitude).

        R. W. Thompson, was not a historian but a politician.

        John William Bowden was not a historian but theologian.

        Walter j. Veith is not a historian or a “world acclaimed international lecturer” but a zoologist (17)

        Frances L. Carroll, was not a historian but simply a housewife.

        I could go on and on and on.

        Such is the type of references used by evangelical authors when they need to exaggerate historic accounts. With no accountability by a higher order, evangelical authors can do as they wish under the first amendment but as long as man is man, true science and ripe scholarship, and sound reasoning, can be only the heritage of the few. (18)

        Similarily, Tim LaHaye, in a description reminiscent to the blood libel against Jews, writes that under the Spanish Inquisition:

        “no fewer than 900,000 Protestants were put to death, in the Pope’s war for the extermination of the Waldenses. Think of monks and priests directing, with heartless cruelty and inhuman brutality, the work of torturing and burning alive innocent men and women; and doing it in the Name of Christ, by the direct order of the “Vicar of Christ.” (LaHaye, Revelation Unveiled)

        How could 900,000 Protestants be killed in the Pope’s war against the Waldenses when the Waldenses were hundreds of years before the Protestant Reformation?

        But we are not willing to remove our books anytime soon and neither will we repent, instead, we choose to slander.

        So who truly “drank the blood of the saints”?

        Can you help?

        “A good book to read that details the historical linkage of various people groups in the Middle East is “Isis, Iran, Israel: And the End of Days,” by Mark Hitchcock.”

        I sat with Hitchcock on a two hours plane ride. I shall tell you the story someday. The guy was a cracker and didn’t know much about history, the Bible or Prophecy. It was so funny. Wish that I recorded it.

        I am still searching for smart teachers on Prophecy here in the West. I couldn’t find much. Really.

        Anyway, back to my sheep herding, excuse me.

  • “Walid, why do you feel like you need to discredit so many people?”

    Never knew that credit depends on the number of erroneous claims. Are you saying that the more the merrier?

    “You are perpetuating the differences when we are both on the same team.”

    Indeed. We are on the same team on many issues. But should we agree on everything like in Communist Russia or Communist China?

    “I believe you are born again Christian, and you bring knowledge to the forefront that is not well known in Western circles.”

    Well thank you. I think you are a nice lady, but I am simply dialoguing with you. A simple shepherd with a sophisticated westerner.

    Hold on, let me take a sip from the leather bag of goat milk.

    Ahhhh, refreshing. Anyway, let me see what else you have

    “But by putting labels on Christians in the West and generalizing so much”

    I didn’t put labels. I gave the names of the authors and how they are not historians and how the historians set the record straight. Should I trust the historian on history or the theologian on history?

    Would you go to the doctor if you were ill or to the pastor?

    What about if your house is on fire? Will you call 911 or the local pastor?

    “you make it difficult for me to trust you in areas with which I’m not familiar.”

    Well, I am familiar. I know this stuff as I know how to herd sheep and how to milk goats.

    “I’d like to read your blog without questioning whether what you are saying is true.”

    Thank you.

    “I don’t feel at this point that I could reference you in any of my own writings or books, and I do that from time to time.”

    Thats okay Lorilyn. I like you already. At least your not like the others who start yelling and scare all my sheep. I usually play my flue to keep them huddled and close lest the wolf comes.

    You know, I usually leave all 99 to go and fetch for one lost sheep. Right now I think you are a little lost.

    “One of my friends recommended a book to me that you co-wrote with Joel Richardson, “God’s War on Terror.” I’ll pass along your comments to me here — I don’t think she is aware of your stance on these other issues which I’m sure would be as concerning to her as to me.”

    O ya, you need to warn them of course. Tell them to stay away lest they fall. I hear ya. Don’t confuse them with the facts since the issue is not the truth, but our presuppositions.

    “Two other quick things, Walid”

    Okay, yes my dear, what is it.

    “In that historical time period of Martin Luther, everyone was anti-Semitic, His anti-Semitism was like everyone else. He was no worse or no better.”

    Really? If you recall I asked you a question about the popes and what they wrote about Jews for 2000 years will shock you.

    Would you like to hear a book’s worth? But its documented from real historians you know. I am not sure if we should listen to historians right?

    “That’s the way it was.”

    I don’t think so. I read much works by many Catholic theologians on the Jews and they always taught that the Jews are our spiritual connect.

    “I’m not condoning it”

    Your not? You just kept the bathwater with the baby Luther. You said his diapers stunk, but as a baby he’s okay. I know, who could throw away a baby. I don’t throw baby goats much less throw a real baby.

    “but history should be viewed in the time it took place, not based on today’s standards.”

    The Muslims says the same things about Muhammad’s anti-Semitism. Should we excuse Muhammad? Yes or No?.

    “What bothers me”

    Oh Oh, here it comes. What is it God forbid. I thought we were having a nice discussion.

    “though, is that Christians tend to overlook that part of his history, and I think the total person of Martin Luther should be taken into account, not just what he did in connection with the Catholic Church.”

    Why do we overlook his virulent Anti-Semitism Lorilyn? I have been search for an answer for this question. Maybe you can help.

    “Also, when I went back and reread your comments on Edom, it seems like you think that all Christians believe Edom is Rome.”

    Not all Christians. Just Protestants. You know, like yourself.

    “I do not”

    That makes me so happy to hear Lorilyn.

    “and I don’t know of anyone who does.”

    I do. Would you like to know them? I can fill a book for you. Just ask and you shall receive.

    “It’s just another example where you have generalized incorrectly.”

    Let me know if you still insist.

    “Now, I’ll save you any efforts to discredit me.”

    Would never do such a thing Lorilyn. You’re my friend.

    “I am an author”

    You are? Wow. When can I get your autograph?

    “have written nine books”

    Amazing. Just amazing.

    “both fiction and nonfiction.”

    I’ll take the nonfiction. I don’t like fiction much.

    “I graduated from the University of Alabama Magna Cum Laude and have a Masters in Creative Writing.”

    How impressive. I didn’t graduate from anything. Just a local sheep herder.

    “I provide broadcast captions for live television, including extensive news coverage from around the world.”


    “I am an avid reader and world traveler, having been to the Middle East, Asia, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, and other places not relevant here.”

    I hear you. I happen to have been taken by a flying carpet to thrice those numbers of nations you have. Hated it. I’d rather hang out with sheep.

    “I’ve been an Evangelical Christian for many years and I adopted two daughters as a single mother from Asia.”

    That is sweet. God bless you for that sister Lorilyn.

    “My closest friends growing up America were Jews.”

    Me too. I have spoken to more Jews than Paul.

    “I was jealous of that God, and was saved from reading the Gospel of Matthew. I did not grow up in a Christian home, but have been active in an evangelical church for the last 30 years. Now you have all the information you need to discredit me if that is your desire.”

    Would never discredit you. Let me know the non-fiction so I can peruse and learn.

    “I am praying that God will open your eyes to extend grace to those Christians who may hold differing opinions from you.”

    So kind of you.

    “Trying to discredit other Christians needlessly doesn’t serve the cause of Christ, and I know that is not your intention.”

    Oh common now. I could say that you are trying to discredit me. Not fair.

    “Thanks for allowing me to express my views on your blog. Have a blessed Christmas.”

    You are always welcome on my farm. Merry Christmas to you too sister.

  • You can try and attack me any way you wish, I know where I stand.

    Here is my profession of faith based on the Apostle Creed:

    I believe in God the Father Almighty, Creator of the heavens and earth, and in Jesus Christ, His Son, our Lord, conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, crucified under Pontius Pilate, died and was buried. He descended to hell and on the third day, He arose again. He ascended to heaven, sitteth at the right hand of the Father Almighty, and from thence He shall come again to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, and life everlasting. Amen.

    You can argue whatever you want you are still Judazing the faith explicitly condemned in the New Testament and subsequent Church Councils. You have no authority over me, so be gone rebellious spirit for I will have no part with you.

  • O get out of here, being against judaising is not hating Jews you slandering tongue.

  • To be a Catholic is to be a Jew.

    That is something you will never get because you have been going at it wrong. Period.

    And here…even an anti-Catholics website get it right…we as Christians are no longer under the Law.

  • Just what are you complaining about now JDB? I fight against rebellion.

  • “Walid, it looks like you deleted the second message I posted and never posted the third.”

    False. I never deleted your messages.I even replied to your message from yesterday.

    “I would like to cancel that”

    Contact Rescue Christian. The info is on the website.

  • Kkdgrace

    Thanks for another great Sunday Special. Lots of meat here to both think and chew on. I welcome the challenge to formerly held beliefs and to those beliefs that may still linger. Looks like I need a lot of time to both study and Ponder. God bless once again.

  • You SIMPLY do not understand the terms of the new covenant which we are now under which is GRACE. You want to burden yourself by submitting to the Hebrew laws, knock yourself out.

    St. Paul the apostle made it quite clear as I have sent you to a link which explicitly explained in no uncertain terms that to Judaize the faith is to undermine Christ’s work at the Cross.

    Finally in Matthew Christ Himself laid down the exact condition of how He is going to judge us all and your arguments fall flat against His.

    He came to fulfill the laws. Christ fulfilled the IMPOSSIBLE requirements of the law which was against us and God canceled the law by nailing it to the cross and made a public triumph over it. We are no longer under the law because it was our tutor until Christ came and now we have been transferred from being under the law to being under grace.

    Until you get out of your damn Judazing cult you won’t get it. Period.

  • You, sir, are a slander.

  • didn’t delete your comment

  • Knock it off. If comments are deleted why are these appearing?

  • Grandmere

    Your posts are going into moderation, just like mine did when I first came here. You are not getting off to a good start by being accusatory. Chill, bro.

  • Obviously RUSSIAN hackers are removing your posts.