In The End, Many Conservatives Will Join The Antichrist

By Theodore Shoebat

The way I look at the Counter-jihad movement is the same way I see the pro-life movement. For decades, the pro-life movement has said that they are fighting abortion. When the chance comes to treat abortion as actual murder, they oppose it.

Since 9/11, the Counter-jihad movement has said that they are opposing the “Islamization” of the West. Let me tell you, in the end, many of these “counter-jihadists” will side with the very entities they claim to fight against. Look at Le Pen. With her, its all about stopping Islamization. But what does she want to do?

She wants to use the threat of terrorism to justify persecuting Catholics and Jews by preventing them from wearing religious imagery in public. At this point, Le Pen and her ilk will become what they claim to fight, since Muslims enact the same type of laws. The right-wing drools over her as they complain about how Muslims hate Jews and Christians.

The Jews claimed to be enemies of Rome. But when it came to their true objective, their ultimate goal of toppling Christ the King, they revealed themselves and declared that “We have no king, by Caesar.”

They will become what they claim to fight against.

Look at the “ring-wing” movements and you will see a diabolical promotion of homosexuality and eugenics. Geert Wilders and Pamela Geller spoke at the pederastic “gays for Trump” conference last year, and both Wilders and the center-right Mark Rutte are eugenists.   In my debate with the leader of the Austrian Identitarian movement, Martin Sellner, my opponent —  a right-winger — and his group, supported homosexuality and looked up to the fanatic Japanese jingoist, Yukio Mishima, as one of their icons.  All of this reveals something about the right-wing movement: it is filled with people of evil will, and those of an evil will, will always side with Satan in the end. Christ said: “there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect.” (Matthew 24:24) How will the Antichrist deceive the very elect? How will he deceive “conservatives,” other than through a false conservativism? It will be a conservativism that will appear so pure, that so many will not be able to see its corruption. Liberals did not murder Christ; people who appeared to have good morals, murdered Christ. And so if the Jews who murdered Christ are a precursor to the Antichrist, then that means that the Antichrist will be one who’ll be able to deceive those of right-wing values.

There is a reason as to why many conservatives, such as Leon Degrelle, became Nazis. The National Socialists had made themselves as the saviors against Marxist socialism, and so many conservatives praised Hitler as their defender. Today, Islamic terrorism is being used by populist politicians, as Marxism was once used, to swell the fears of the people so that they can follow them. But in the end, many of these very leaders will side with the Muslims.

“We have no king, but Caesar!” These were the words of the mob, declaring allegiance to the very entity that they claimed to be fighting against. Such are the ways of a capricious people whose foundation is built upon the brittle ways of dark will. We see the mobs of today, filled with nationalism and possessed by a jingoist spirit; they look to their political leaders as though they are gods, and wave their flags as though they are holy icons. They worship their language and their race, and exclaim their desire to reach up to heaven on the tower of national egoism.

They will exclaim their agenda as being one of pride, protectionism, culture and morality. They will exclaim as their enemy, foreigners of despot lands, and declare their desire to prevail over them, to establish victory for the nation. But this is only what one witnesses on the outside. For when power is about to be obtained; when the objective is about to be reached; when Pontus Pilate hands over to them the domination that they so thirst for; when the serpent slithers into their minds and brings before their eyes the empire that they so hunger for, these very proclaimers of national pride will side with the very enemy that, just moments before, they were declaring war against.

This is the reality of these rising political parties and politicians that bequeath godhood on the mobs, and attribute their woes to the “elites,” when they themselves are elitist; to the terrorists, when they themselves are terrorists; to the “globalists” when they themselves are seeking for a globalism of their own. What they say they want is contrary to what is in within their own wills, and the end result of their work will only be destruction. Their will is to topple God Himself, and when the opportunity comes to advance in their diabolical goals, and it requires joining forces with those who they had described incessantly as an enemy, they will so take it.

The politicians decry terrorism, they decry mass immigration; but all this is a means to end. It is a means by which to stir up in the bellies of the masses the pride that so benefits the leader; and in this state of pride, the people become slaves, for in their vainglory do they revere the despot as a savior against the enemy, and hence their pride is the means to their enslavement, and the elevation of their master. The Pharisees pointed to the Romans and the Samaritans as the enemy; the evil foreigner who was ruling them and impeding their national destiny. But as bad as the Roman or the Samaritan was, Christ saw the hypocrisy of the populists; He saw that it was their way of gaining power.

They asked Christ if they should pay taxes to the Romans, and Christ asked them whose image was on the Roman coin. When they said that it was Caesar’s, He said “Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.” (Matthew 22:21) These words could be seen as a push for indiscriminate servitude towards the State. But they are not. These words, in truth, express the balance between observing the laws of the land and just resistance against despotism. They are certain things that the State rightfully deserves; but they are things that the State should never attempt to take away or misconstrue, and that is the eternal laws of the moral order. When the State tries to disrupt the harmony of the virtues, then it brings nothing but disarray and chaos to the souls and to the society. When the State demands an acquiescence to disorder or decadence, then it is the duty of the Christian to resist, for Caesar does not deserve such indiscriminate obedience.

When Antiochus Epiphanies told the Hebrews to burn incense to false gods, Judas Maccabees and his armies resisted with zeal and tenacity; when Ahab and Jezebel were slaughtering the priests of God, Elijah slew the prophets of Baal. All of these stories demonstrate the balance between observing law and resisting tyranny; all of these stories are a physical manifestation of Christ’s words.

But, when the mobbish elites had the chance to tell Pilate of the injustice of persecuting Christ; when they had the chance to defy Rome by praising Him who would transform Rome into the beacon of the Faith of Israel, they instead declared with bloody fury: “We have no king but Caesar.” (John 19:15) From being the ardent nationalists of Israel, and the most vehement enemies against the Roman occupation, they now became allies to pagan Rome. They did so, because the reality was that they really did not hate Rome, but simply used the bitterness towards the occupation of their country as a means to rile up the masses, so that they could follow them. The movement against Rome was a means to their power; it was but an object of propaganda for their own run to political influence and popularity.

Their words may have had truth, but their motives were evil. If the will is evil, then words — no matter how just — will only be a means to a sinister end. In the words of Richard of St. Victor: “Whatever a person does cannot be good unless it proceeds from a good will.” (Twelve Patriarchs, ch. lxv) Hence why Christ declared to the Pharisees and scribes: “You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do.” (John 8:44) While they may had said good things, the desires of the devil lied in their hearts, and from this evil will did their actions manifest themselves. St. James said: “I will shew thee, by works, my faith.” (James 2:18) The beliefs that we have within our souls, our internal convictions, manifest themselves through actions. So while the Jewish cause against Rome may have seemed just, the ultimate actions of the Jewish elites manifested their hidden agenda: to topple Christ the King and make themselves the saviors of the people.

While they bemoaned the Roman occupation, Christ speaks of a Roman centurion as such:  “Amen I say to you, I have not found so great faith in Israel.” (Matthew 8:10) For Christ, it was not about race, but about justice, for righteous action flows like a river from the spring of good will. In Christ, Divinity and Humanity are one in the most sublime hypostatic union; Christ is the actual incarnation of love for humanity. God would never create anything that He hates; for God is Love, and thus humanity springs from Love Himself. The Incarnation of God is thus the returning of mankind from his chaotic state, to the original state of his existence: oneness with eternal Love.

One of the greatest deceptions ever taught is that the natural state of man is one of an animal. They will teach that to indulge in all of our concupiscence, is only to be in our natural animal state of existence. To be as an animal is not natural; it is in fact, unnatural and opposed to the innate state of humanity. The natural state of humanity is to be of the harmony of the eternal law. When we strive for justice, when we labor to be one with God, we are in fact in our true selves, “strengthened by his Spirit with might unto the inward man, that Christ may dwell by faith in your hearts” (Ephesians 3:16-17). For in being of the natural order, the order of virtue, one is within oneself, the true self of humanity, and thus there in this spiritual life, a union with the God-Man, Jesus Christ, in Whom Divinity and the wholeness of Man are one. In the words of Lorenzo Scupoli, “in our downfall, we fell away from God, preferring ourselves, we lost also our foothold in ourselves, and fell into the flesh; thereby we went outside ourselves and began to seek for joys and comforts there.” And on another line he writes: “instead of God within, the heart seeks for pleasures without and is content with them.” (Unseen Warfare, p. 1, ch. 21)

So, instead of delving into the inward man, in our sinful ways we leave ourselves, and go contrary to our own nature.

God became one with Humanity, to bring humanity back to its original state of virtue and order. But when mankind is thirsty for power and egoism, he will say things — even statements that are true and just — to fulfill his own desires for domination; and when his will is that evil, the ultimate mission is to overthrow the Kingdom of Heaven. The mob will ceaselessly decry the sins of one group to elevate its own position, but in the end, it will join that very group to murder the Savior of mankind, with the cries of, “We have no king, but Caesar!”     

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  • Ceirwyn

    Well, everyone but Christians are going to go over to the Anti-Christ, so no surprise conservatives will go over there to. Anyone who puts their faith in a political party during this is already hopeless.

  • Shane Bass

    Wow, now this was a great article. Short, to the point, and very well written.

  • Raph Sebastian

    History will repeat itself, this time it would be faux-Christians that will join in with evil in the coming war. Protestants did it during the Crusades, As we know and history doesn’t lie.

    They will do it again simply because of their hate for the Catholic Church and Catholics, despite claiming they hate no one, they do not stand up in their “churches” and say to their pastors that demonizing Catholics is sinful behavior.

    Also faux-Catholics and liberals will join hands and then proceed label true Christians that follow the LORD and His ONLY Church with all sorts of vile names, demonizing Christians.

    How does one spot a faux-Catholic? Easy, ask them what they think about the Church’s teachings and the Catechism, if they say I am faithful and believe all the Church teaches and then say “BUT” I disagree with such and such, these are faux-Catholics, tell them what they are and then keep your distance.

    The test is simple, you either believe and are faithful to all the Church teaches or you are not, being not faithful to all teachings means one is in dissent and does not recognize the authority of the Church, there is a word for that — Protestantism.

  • Kamau41

    “They will become what they claim to fight against.” Excellent article again, exposing the truth of the very real agenda amongst the counter-jihad and ‘conservative’ groups these days. We are seeing more and more clearly how history is repeating itself.
    Many will eventually indeed unite with the Antichrist in the future to persecute the Christians.

    “For there is nothing hidden that will not become visible, and nothing secret that will not be known and come to light.”(St. Luke 8:17)

  • Raph Sebastian

    [“We have no king, but Caesar!”]

    In today’s modern context we more than often hear this ringing out as well. “We have no need for interpretative authority but what my pastor tells me.”

    “We have no need for any other authority other than the bible. We have no need for the teaching seat of St. Peter because we are now able to self interpret and teach what we interpret.”

    • Grace Ziem

      The “teaching seat of Peter”, sadly, tried to appease Muslims and only too late recognized this was dangerous. If the pope, the leader of millions of Catholics, had spoken out earlier on Islam, Obama’s voice would have been less dominant. Is it because the previous pope was shot at by a Muslim? Did the pope value his life more than wisdom for his people?

      I well know too many protestant pastors were also ignorant; did they come here and get run off by anti-protestant comments? We won’t know, but we shouldn’t continue divisiveness AMONG Christ’s people.

      • Raph Sebastian

        You talk about divisiveness from one side of your mouth and yet from the other you allude to stupid things like the pope is trying to appease muslims. You are either blatantly stupid or ignorant. There are 1.3 billion Catholics in this world, a majority of them live in countries that actively persecute Catholics.

        The Middle East, Africa and Asia has killed over 90,000 Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Church members over the last 2 years. In your utter stupidity, you talk of appeasement, when the pope clearly doesn’t want to provoke further murders and martyrdom of his flock.

        If you want to reply to me in the future, at least stop and think and remove your biased lenses and hatred of Catholic first. I gain nothing with interacting with you, in fact I seem to actually lose some intelligence when interacting with you and your ilk.

        You are a hypocrite, supposedly speaking out against division yet you sow that very same thing!

        • Стефан Евгений

          RS, We need more old bishops like this one. He’s retired bishop of Herzegovina Athanasius.

          Protestants, never hear a lecture like this one. Sadly they don’t have clue what we are saying.
          I was taught to neither to go too far left, or right, you can fall in a ditch. But to keep your eyes on Christ and walk your path of salvation in this life.

          • Raph Sebastian

            Amen,Brother Stephan! Excellent vid, I especially liked the part where he said the Protestant heresy of sola scriptura is absolutely man made, made up by the Germans rife with hermeneutics and if God intended for sola scriptura to be the way Christians knew Him then He would have sent it down from heaven, and not used His Church to bring forth Sacred Scripture.nor was there need for the great drama of the Crucifixion and Passion of the LORD..

            Indeed the path is narrow. Peace be upon you and yours during this Lent.

          • racarrera

            Nor do they have a Brother Dobri, nor a Paisios, nor a Maximos the Confessor, etc etc…

          • Стефан Евгений

            We have holy fathers that are guided by Tradition, but these guys reject Tradition and yet follow their own tradition of not following Tradition.

        • Grace Ziem

          Raph; I am sorry if I offended you. I know about the slaughter of Christians in the Middle East: I don’t think of them as Catholics and protestants: I think of them all as Christians and I grieve for all of them.
          I know the pope is now making somewhat stronger statements about Islam, but I was referring to Frances’ statements a few years ago that Allah and our God are the same being. This is not accurate. Did you mean I was stupid to critique his statement, and that only stupid people criticize the pope ever? I was unclear about your point.
          Sir, I don’t want divisiveness on this site. I have tried to swallow a lot of it down, and have reached a point where I think silence is not being true to my conscience. I wish you blessings and a Happy Easter!

          • racarrera

            Thank you, but they are indeed Catholic or Orthodox. These things matter.

          • Grace Ziem

            Many are also evangelicals. All Christians matter. Blessings and enjoy the lovely weekend!

          • racarrera

            In the Middle East? Most of those are in Iran and the Maghreb. Some turn out quite ecumenical and helpful to Apostolic Christians. Too many are taught by anti-Catholic/Orthodox slanderers.

          • Grace Ziem

            I have read evangelical magazine for years about these Christians and I have never once seen anti-Catholic statements, On the contrary, these Christians often object to persecution of Catholics. Please point out to me such slander; I am happy to counter it. Why so eager to distinguish “which” Christians are being martyred? Islam ans Satan both love division between Christians: why give them ANY satisfaction??

          • racarrera

            You must be new here. We receive it on these pages alone weekly. I also grew up near Southern Baptists and Pentecostals, who made absolutely sure that we were “not Christian.” People like Dave Hunt, Benny Hinn, Rod Parsley, the slovenly John Hagee, and other bizarre people have made full careers slandering Catholic and Orthodox. Project Gideon enters Christian countries for the sake of trying to get Christians to convert to their flavor of Protestantism, with no respect for the traditions and Christianity of the people living there.

            It in, in fact, quite rare to find this circle you are a part of. They are a distinct minority, and if you ever travel outside of the country, you’d learn just how obnoxious these people are.

    • Craig A. Mouldey

      As I found out early in my final journey Raph, there is a huge problem with that view of scripture and interpretation advanced by Luther. There was no bible in circulation for over 300 years initially. The bible is not above the Lord’s church. The bible came from the church who produced it and it is this church through it’s leaders who know the proper understanding. I submit to this church ahead of my own understanding. Sola Scriptura is rebellion against the Lord.

      • Raph Sebastian

        Brother Craig, it takes a very spiritually honest and an intellectually honest man to come to the conclusion you have.

        But as you can see from the posts, there will be many that will fall into Luther’s trap and will be unable to dig themselves out of it. They will continue to argue as Luther argued, they will continue to protest as Luther protested.

        For those who manage to climb out out the trap, they will find solace in the fullness of the truth. Welcome home dear brother, may your journey continue to bring you good fruit.

        • Craig A. Mouldey

          I am seeing it Raph. Just like them, it wasn’t long ago that I thought I really knew something. But watching protestants in a forum not able to have a common view, constantly bickering and dividing further, one night I stopped dead and said “something is terribly wrong here”. It was then I started searching for the ancient church. I admit I was confronted with some different doctrinal understandings and a number of things in manner of worship that were strange to me. I decided I was going to let them explain to me why they believe this and do that, rather than following the poisoned and false explanations and accusations of Protestant teachers. The detractors here have swallowed the lie that the original church was corrupted. So much for the Lord’s words that the gates of Hell will not over come it. Until they can see that it is their own church which is corrupted and heretical they won’t seek for the genuine.
          How is everything up in the Arizona highlands? I still have some snow I can ship you if you like.

          • Raph Sebastian

            All praise and adoration be to our LORD. Your testimony just strengthens my long held view of Protestants being unable to even agree amongst themselves.

            There is a saying; you put 20 Protestants from different denominations and they will be at each other’s necks after about 10 minutes.

            Then throw a Catholic with a crucifix around his neck into that room and all of them will turn on that Catholic.

            In other words the only time they are united is to hate on and persecute the Catholic.

          • Craig A. Mouldey

            Wow Raph, it is exactly as you say. And in the forum I used to attend, once in a while a Catholic would come in. It was like a bunch of piranha going after him. The guy did very well and knew scripture as well or better than anyone else. I never treated the guy like they did. And if you want to really upset the apple cart, simply say Mary is the mother of God. Now you have a cage match.

          • Kkdgrace

            Things get especially vicious if a rosary is added to the mix, doncha think?

          • Flash a Rosary every day and it keeps the demons away.

          • Kkdgrace

            Many years ago, when I was still on the Protestant bandwagon, I was nursing in a hospital and had one of the patients’ under my care handmake me a pink rosary. I never got rid of it and recently found it. Now it travels with me wherever I go. I use it more as a prayer rope than a rosary for now, however…..but still. Who’d have thunk?!?

          • “I never got rid of it and recently found it. Now it travels with me wherever I go.”

            Two days ago I met with Стефан Евгений (Stephan), the Russian who comments here. A fine gentleman indeed. He is American made with some Russian temperament. He gave me his father’s rosary. His father was Catholic. Now it goes with me wherever I go. Theo got a rosary too.

          • Kkdgrace

            Isn’t that amazing?! Love to hear that. You know what? It’s a really “small world”, as they say. Not long ago, I found out that our “Steve” lives in the same city as I do. I imagine it would be a great pleasure to meet him. Admire his spirit very much..have also sought his answer as to which Orthodox Church he attends here- there isn’t much in the way of choice in this area. Grateful to know that an Orthodox believer is near. Isn’t that something? God is so good! 🙂

          • I’ve never heard that brought up but I could only imagine! The ‘I gave my heart to Jesus’ crowd would never accept prayer beads.

          • Kkdgrace

            Oh, heck no! Can’t you just see it? Can only imagine!

          • No wonder why I like to read your comments. You have seen the light.

          • Craig A. Mouldey

            God can still take a clump of dry, hard clay and make something useful out of it. I hope he makes something useful in this case. But in the category of ‘you never know what results your words will have’ when I realized I needed to find out if and who the ancient church is I read one of your articles about a year ago. In that article you named the Orthodox churches and the Roman Catholics. In effect, you held up a sign that said ‘look over there’. So, I did. I have so much to learn and am all full of wonder. It’s all worth it. Thank you

          • Raph Sebastian

            The LORD used His spittle to make dry clay and rubbed it into the eye sockets for a man born without eyes. My advise is to go to Mass, dip your hand into the font, make the Sign of the Cross, this is to remind you of your baptism then seek the LORD in the Holy Mass. May He hasten your journey into His Church and may you be able to finally partake of the Blessed Sacrament of the Eucharist.

            If He can use clay to give sight to the blind what more you who have all your senses. You who seek the fullness of the truth in humility and in earnestness you will be rewarded, dear brother, for this. The LORD is waiting for those who truly seek Him and His Church.

            The LORD our God and Savior is indeed Almighty! He can do anything, He can even make bread into His flesh yet it still looks like bread and the same for wine. This is something the Protestants deny, sadly, at their own peril.

  • Filip

    The mistake people do.. is they underestimate God. Remember what God says? “I am the Lord and I do as I please”. No one can stop God.. he does as he pleases and no one can thwart his will. Yet people fail to understand that God is the big man upstairs, not the devil ,not any political party, not isis or any man on this earth. So they put their faith in a politician, in a flawed system that exists on this planet.

  • Grace Ziem

    Amen, Beth. Too many would rather fight than love.

  • Grace Ziem

    When Christ said “render to Caesar that which is Caesar’s”, He knew that NOTHING really belonged to Caesar. It was a trick question, but you can’t fool God: he outsmarted them so well people still miss His point.

    • Julie LaBrecque

      Whose image was on the coin?

      • Grace Ziem

        Really?, we know that was Caesar; that’s not the point (that was Christ’s diversion; they tried to trick Him; he tricked them and they didn’t know it, because what is Caesar’s is NOTHING: everything really belongs to God!; Nothing “belongs to” Caesar). As I said above, people still miss the point.

        • Julie LaBrecque

          Whose image?

  • Raph Sebastian

    Sorry so have to break this to you, but the Catholic Church is mentioned in the Bible, Acts 9:31 in the Greek text clearly states the existence of “Ekklesia kath olou or kath oles, i.e. the Church throughout the land of Judea, Galilee and Samaria, a Church that is Universal i.e. Catholic Church.

    Now show me where is your “church” in the bible? Show me where your denomination is named in the bible?

  • “I’m Conservative”

    What does that mean?

  • Grace Ziem

    I ask everyone’s prayers for Mexico and the brave priests who serve there. reports: “Another Catholic priest has been killed in Mexico, continuing the alarming trend of violence in the country particularly against clergy members… Omar Sotelo, a priest and director of mexico’s Catholic Multimedia Center (Centro Católico Multimedial – CCM), said clergy members are specifically targeted because they advocate on behalf of the poor and are against gangs, drugs, and violence.”

  • Grace Ziem

    What is really your point and can’t you make a more positive contribution?

  • Raph Sebastian

    I care not what she thinks, she has shown a clear pattern of hatred, hypocrisy and ill-intent over the short time she has been commenting on here. A virulent anti-Catholic that seeks to spread and perpetuate the Protestant heresy and clearly agree with anyone who tries to espouse heretical teachings.

    You too apparently are new to Walid’s site as well, If you had been here longer you would realize that we do not suffer fools gladly, especially fools that spout off with utter ignorance.

    I am not a Westerner, I do not subscribe to the softly softly approach. My approach is the same as Walid’s, you post nonsense coupled with ignorance, you get called out for it and you get slammed for it.

    Walid has only one rule on his comment section – post facts. Ignorance and stupidity will always be called out.

    Proverbs 17:28 Even fools who keep silent are considered wise; when they close their lips, they are deemed intelligent.

    • You summed it up perfectly. We offer no sensitivity classes.

  • Raph Sebastian

    [Hell hath enlargened her gates!]

    But keep yourself on the narrow path, speak truth even if it hurts, speak truth without compromise. We have always been called to be soldiers, members of the Church Militant on Earth until we become members of the Church Triumphant in Heaven.

  • He was ‘nasty’ I was ‘nasty’ he was ‘harsh’ I was ‘harsh’ …

    Who cares.

    You do not know for how long Grace and Raph have been arguing over theological issues for months. So you pop up and begin to comment away as if you knew the situation. You don’t.

    You think that Martin Luther is just another nice monk who needed some guidance from his confessor? Had you examined the exchanges you would have learned that what we were arguing about was Martin Luther.

    Grace Ziem wrote a typical comment chastising us about exposing Martin Luther, your greatest enemy.

    Mind you, she read all of our articles about Luther. We have the most extensive research on Luther that is out there.

    You think you are ‘patient’? Here read away:

    It might take you a week to read, but it takes us a month to write. Grace reads all this and it does not phase her.

    You have patience? Are you the one who gives the extra mile when asked?

    I wrote her: “
Luther was anti-semitic and indeed we bash Luther. Would you like us to stop bashing Luther’s anti-Semitism Grace and only bash Hitler?
What exactly is the quote in this article which you consider ‘bashing’ Grace?
Can you at least quote what you oppose and show us where it is wrong so that we may reason them through?

    It was the typical demand saying ‘hands off Luther’.

    She stated: “
In view of the problems people experienced with the church, as mentioned above, this article statement seems to lack balance and objectivity”

    So we asked her to quote us what we wrote that is so objectionable. And here is what she found ‘objectionable’:

    “beginning with the Protestant Revolution, the result over the last 500 years has been the gradual decline and destruction of any idea of divinely revealed, unchangeable truth”

    Now, do you believe that the Protestant Revolution created good in the last 500 years?

    Of course you don’t.

    And here is what she said:

    “Protesters objected to lack of divine truth about why believers should be burned alive for wanting the Bible in their own language, or persecuted because they didn’t want to pay the church for prayers, or disagreed with the whole concept of indulgences etc. ”

    Its the typical jargon. Luther is just a ‘nice guy’ you know.

    Mind you Grace has read a ton of articles on our exposes on Luther and she simply wanted to do the usual, twist arms to stop us from exposing Luther. Its the typical ‘love’ talk with the aim of silencing the truth about Luther.

    Raph tried to tell you “You too apparently are new to Walid’s site as well, or you have been reading only and have not commented until now. If you had been here longer …”

    And now you seem to quickly have knowledge on what is “Christlike” and what is not “Christlike”.

    Lady, do you have a year to discuss what is Christlike and what is not Christlike? Of course not. You have zero patience.

    “Sebastien lost me with his nasty retort to the woman …”

    No one was trying to win you or loose you here. You came in on your own and you left out on your own.

    “there’s so much to choose from out here”

    Are we a window shop in a mall trying to sell you Persian rugs?

    We are glad to keep our Persian rugs. Go and buy your cheap rugs somewhere else.

    “You come across as a pair of yes men, excusing each other for not being able to control your own tempers (based on your agreeing with him).”

    Thats right. You want me to throw Sebastian out for some woman who just popped in and popped out angry like a zit filled with puss?

    Lady, I do not throw out my friendships that easily for some sensitive nonsense. It takes years to build good friends.

    I suggest that next time you butt in a squabble that you think again to either understand what is going on first or mind thy own business. You know nothing about us or what we do over here. We only retain who remains steadfast strong. Its sort of like the Navy Seals over here, you either make it or you don’t.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    One question – who founded your church and when?

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Ignorance is not acceptable. The Catholic Church does not forbid foods – we do FAST from certain foods – so do the Orthodox – prots DONT – the Bible demand fasting – so which side is ‘ biblical’?

    • racarrera

      The lack of fasting shows a hideous ignorance and arrogance which is contrary to Christ’s teachings. Modern faux-Christianity is thankfully being kicked out of places which understand their faith.

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Wrong interpretation

  • Julie LaBrecque

    Mary told that Satan’s last attack would be against the family-

  • “1Tim.4:1-4 says in latter times men will give heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons and they will order men to abstain from certain foods and forbid them to marry! Only the Catholic Church does this! ”

    O you poor soul. Let me explain. This “forbidding to marry” and “abstaining from meats”, was already fulfilled “in latter times”.

    This “in latter times” is not the end times. What Paul meant by “latter time” is as we say today, later on, that is after Paul’s death. What Paul was prophesying, in fact, came to pass (later on):

    “that after my departing [after Paul’s death] shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.” (Acts 20:29)

    Indeed “in latter times” (later on), after Paul departed, the Manichaeans and the Cathars engulfed huge parts of Europe, forbidding marriage, abstaining from meats, and preached poverty. To these, all material things was evil. The most devoted would even kill themselves to put an end to their material existence.

    While Christian history confirms this, and anyone at the tip of their fingers, can search these sects, yet today so many view these sects as ‘saints’.

    Your group (the Protestants) out of all people chose the Cathars who forbade marriage as saints, you you accused who fought them of the very guilt the Cathars committed. Had you been standing with the crowds in Jerusalem you would be part of the side that said “Crucify Him” “Crucify Him”.

    These, who say Cathars are saints, were for centuries, and are still, part of a greater falling away, the one before the appearance of Antichrist.

    The sign of a falling away, is when Cathars are viewed as ‘saints’, while the true saints are viewed as ‘Antichrists’.

    Many even equate the great falling away to the Catholic priesthood, since the prophecy predicts the anti-marriage spirt, but these discount that the text mentions no priesthood here, but a general forbiddance of all marriages.

    If anything, to Catholics, marriage is a sacred sacrament, while divorce damages salvation.

  • No. Look at what she wrote: When Christ said “render to Caesar that which is Caesar’s, He knew that NOTHING really belonged to Caesar.”

    What Jesus said was “render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and unto God what is God’s”.

    In other words, pay to God what is God’s which is the crucial point Christ was making. Grace simply chopped off half of what Jesus said. The coin belonged to Caesar. Protestants like Muslims say that since everything belongs to God that the Churches belonged to God and therefore they sacked and looted Catholic churches.

    You fell into the Protestant trap again.

    Do you know anything about how satan functions?

    • Raph Sebastian

      Brother Walid, I honestly think it is a waste of your precious time to lay out to the willfully blind the traps and snares that lay in the path of those who refuse to tread carefully. Those that shout “unity” and forget their duty, will all fall together with the heresy peddlers.

      You take weeks if not months to work on one Sunday Special, which you put out for all in which you try to educate, warn and call out the pitfalls that lie ahead for all of us. Yet there will be those who will not read, nor be educated nor be warned.

      They prefer “kumbahyah” over history, truth and facts. They prefer feel good more than being prepared and having their oil lamps at the ready.

      There will be many that will fall into the Protestant trap and there will always be those that will side with heresy or feel empathy for those that espouse such heresies, despite being duty bound to reject and forcefully put down such heresies (how Saint Nickolas dealt with heresy spouting blasphemers comes to mind here).

      Some will even try to rationalize the acts, words and deeds of the heresiarch Luther.

      There is only so much you can do to warn those fools, there are none so blind as those that refuse to see and there is none so deaf as those who refuse to hear.

      I am glad to be called nasty, it’s a badge of honor I think, because the truth is nasty to those that refuse to believe.

      I am glad to be labelled as someone who loves to hear myself speak. The truth hurts, even the faux-Catholic would feel the sting when their conscience is pricked when they are called out for their absorption of Protestant B.S.

      • Стефан Евгений

        I’d take nasty any day than being called a Ублюдок (Ublyudok) as i was called.:)

        • Raph Sebastian

          Bro, all these feel good, softly softly, try not to hurt them with the truth and be careful with words, are for snowflakes and weak Catholics. Our Early Church Fathers dealt with heretics and blasphemers rightly and they were men of God.

          Most of them were not Westerners anyway, if people want to believe that St. Nikolas of Smyrna was a white man with a white beard and pot belly who goes Ho Ho ho and not the type who beat the crap out Arius for his blasphemy and heresy, then it’s their problem.

          If they believe that St. Peter is a white man with blue eyes holding the keys to the Pearly Gates then that’s their problem. IF they want to believe that Christ is blonde and had blue eyes, that’s their problem.

          I’d take being called nasty any day than be unwilling to tell the truth.

      • “I am glad to be called nasty, it’s a badge of honor I think, because the truth is nasty to those that refuse to believe.”

        What you wrote above matches certain scriptural verses.

        But you are right. I have met so many who read a book like Dave Hunt who says that Innocent III killing the Cathars was killing ‘saints’. I remember when I first looked up the Cathars and I was healed from Hunt’s books. It didn’t take much. Truth is truth is truth. But this is not so with so many. You can pour truth till your heart stops and it would not phase them.

        I spoke to Hunt before he passed away for lengthy times and I should have recorded it. There is one recording on TV which survives. But the man was dumbfounded every time we spoke. He knew so little and when he asked my advise to debate Muslim scholars, I told him that they would roast him for lunch. He wisely heeded my advise.

        But these people are still hung up on Hunt’s poor research. The man was an accountant with zero knowledge on history.

        But they still refuse and reject the truth so I give up on them.

        Someone like Blue or Grace. These are like a fruit cocktail can without the fruit and the can opened on both sides. We pour into the can but whatever we pour runs at the other end to the ground. It will be foolishness to try to waste a second on these types of people. You are right. And I should have listened to Grand and banned these types. They would drive a man crazy.

        They complain. Yet when Catholics go to their type of blogs they are not given a chance of day.

        Can I borrow your rifle for a second? I promise, it will be quick 😉

        • Raph Sebastian

          Keep them Brother Walid because the nonsense they spout would force fact lovers to “fact check” their posts.

          If you give them enough rope they will indeed hang themselves. It’s fine if the choose to leave. Haters of truth always choose to leave, just lile those who left the LORD at Capernaum because He wasctelling them truth and they hated it.

          All we can do is hope that those that stay manage to let truth into their skulls and heart.

    • Grace Ziem

      Walid, some protestants do bad things. Pope not-so-innocent III did some bad things. This does not make all protestants bad (as some commenters imply) or all Catholics bad. When we do or say bad things, we need to repent, and we need to not excuse bad behavior of others.Those who damage churches are WRONG, and will face judgement. Period.

      I still hope for the day of more love and less animosity toward each other here. Am I dreaming? Wasting my time?
      1 Corinthians 13:4-5 “ Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud or rude. It does not demand its own way. It is not irritable, and it keeps no record of being wronged”.

      God’s BIG plan is the development of an eternal family of Christ-like beings united in loving devotion to Christ and to one other.

      • “Walid, some protestants do bad things.”

        So some Catholic also. Why is that an issue here?

        “Pope not-so-innocent III did some bad things.”

        Such as? You accuse without providing evidence. You write “Pope not-so-innocent III”. This is an accusation. Yet you provided zero evidence.

        Pope Innocent the III was an upright Pope. He annihilated the Cathars. Had he not annihilated these bastards, today you would be living in a serious mess. You have read what we wrote about the Cathars, Luther and such, yet it does not phase you. Yet you NEVER once attempted to refute these issues we write, but simply repeat a record. Why?

        ” This does not make all protestants bad (as some commenters imply)”

        Grace. I don’t care what some commenters say unless they are directed to me.

        “or all Catholics bad.”

        Well you pointed at Innocent III as “bad Catholic” without a shred of evidence.

        “I still hope for the day of more love and less animosity toward each other here. Am I dreaming? Wasting my time?”

        You define “love” as “nice”. I define “love” as “break your legs if I knew that you are about to walk into a cliff”.

        Which of the two is “love”?

        “1 Corinthians 13:4-5 “ Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud or rude. It does not demand its own way. It is not irritable, and it keeps no record of being wronged”.

        Grace. Love is patient and kind indeed. Want to talk about the thousands of times I had patience of an elephant and showed kindness to thousands? Would you like me to brag and write a book titled Walid’s Love And Kindness? If I do so, you would then accuse me of being a show-off.

        This is why I’d rather not be “nice” and this way people take me for a brute while I keep true love and true kindness to my heart.

        “God’s BIG plan is the development of an eternal family of Christ-like beings united in loving devotion to Christ and to one other.”

        You want to see an eternal family of Christ? Come visit my home. See how I treat people. See how we sacrifice.

        I do not think that a comment section is an example of doing much. It is mostly a waste of time invented by morons who created Facebook and Twitter and the Internet which destroyed humanity.

        • Grace Ziem

          I was making a general point, but if you want specifics, Innocent III’s role vs the Fourth Lateran Council stigmatized Jews by wanting the church to control Jewish affairs in ways that had adverse consequences: requiring Jews to wear badges that identified them (long before Nazis did this),

          Jews are not hard to distinguish, by language and custom, but they did not need the church requiring them to wear markings to make them stand out. I know there is debate about the Pope’s role in some of the Crusade excesses that occurred, and I suspect we disagree on whether the church should be slaughtering people,

          But none of this works toward unity. It is not that I mind discussions of differences; I am reluctant to do/say things that lead to unnecessary division during times when unity is so important. I don’t mean we should sacrifice principles for issues like abortion or sodomy, but those are not issues between us.
          My church is like a big Christian family in many ways; and I have actually not even heard gossip there, but rather much love and kindness. Thus this image of God’s desire for an eternal family. We are the adopted sons and daughters of Christ, and thus His eternal family. Blessings to all of you and many thanks for your work!

  • Spend a few years interacting with good priests. Read the fathers. Be patient.

  • Lee Sargeant

    I wonder what is acceptable to Theodore Shoebat. No one is perfect, but I have read articles from him that bash EVERYONE!!!! who tries to deal with the problem of islam.

    • Jesus bashed everybody who tried to deal with the problem of Rome.

  • Kamau41

    Then explain to us why Martin Luther, the man you people follow, revolted against the Church?

    • Raph Sebastian

      I think it’s sarcasm there, Bro Kamau. David Banner might just be being facetious, he probably knows that Luther is exceptionally evil.

      • Kamau41

        There is so much hate toward Catholics, sometimes it is difficult to tell rather a comment is sarcastic. Thank you Bro. Sebastian.

        • Just today I proved a bunch. Sister Grace should track them instead of tracking our refutations on Luther.

  • Kamau41

    Here are the words from Jesus:
    “And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this ROCK I will build my CHURCH, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
    And I will give to thee the KEYS of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.”

  • Craig A. Mouldey

    Not a terribly important point but one of the big names in alt media pushing these movements is the narcissist and blow hard, tip of the spear Alex Jones. Claiming he is Christian he says he is Not anti gay. And by that he means he is ok with this life choice which God calls an abomination.

  • racarrera

    Read up on quite a few Conservatives and you’ll find they are atheists. They’re no friend of the Church nor of Christ, so one need not suffer them.

    • Kkdgrace

      Frankly, I am sick of them ALL- conservatives, liberals, independents, “whatever”. The whole world is a hot mess and things only continue to deteriorate rapidly. I have had to put myself on somewhat of a hiatus when it comes to reading any kind of politically- related blog or commentary, as too much “out there” is chock full of distortion, lies, evil, and/or just plain nastiness. I generally like to keep up with world events but even that is distressing, if only because of the very biased and opinionated way in which so much is reported (or left UNreported).

      I wanted Trump to win over the evil Hillary but now, post- election, I read/ hear comments re Trump that seem to make him out as the ONE, anointed by God- therefore one must not raise the slightest criticism regarding anything he says or does. It honestly borders on worship of the man and is sickening. (If I see one more comment about how he is so smart and plays “3-D chess”, therefore one mustn’t speculate or criticize any of his actions, I will run screaming from the room while ripping out my hair!)

      For the sake of my sanity and my soul, I need desperately to avoid so very much of “the things of the world”…..and invest my time in readying myself to meet my Maker. I still like to stop by here for a read now and then, because events reported are done so in light of the Church and Scripture. Even so, I’m prone to getting myself too stirred up, as I read about all of the escalating evil- I usually come away with a great deal of angst in my heart. I guess I need to find a “happy medium” when it comes to keeping myself informed these days.

      To my Shoebat friends (“family”):

      May you all have a very blessed
      May God bless you all!

      • racarrera

        I couldn’t have said it better myself. I always had to make sure I identified as a Christian Conservative, though I didn’t like being tainted with the Evangelical stripe. Worse yet, when you have people proudly proclaiming their atheism as you do in England and Germany, all while touting themselves as conservatives, I know well enough that my ideas are not wanted there. To think, even libertarianism, which has its roots in the Salamanca School in Spain and staffed by monks as teachers, were the roots of the now agnostic/atheist Austrian School and others like it.

      • I wanted Trump to win over the evil Hillary but now, post- election, I
        read/ hear comments re Trump that seem to make him out as the ONE,
        anointed by God- therefore one must not raise the slightest criticism
        regarding anything he says or does. It honestly borders on worship of
        the man and is sickening. (If I see one more comment about how he is so
        smart and plays “3-D chess”, therefore one mustn’t speculate about or
        criticize any of his actions, I will run screaming from the room while
        ripping out my hair!)

        You know what? I am seeing the same exact thing and it is making me sick. Too many focuses on the economic parameters and refuses to look at the moral and eschatological parameters.

  • Pam,

    You brought an issue up. I answered. You replied with theological issues I am already aware of but without addressing my answers.

    What should I make of this?

    • Raph Sebastian

      [ Pam Fletcher Walid Shoebat • a day ago
      Mr. Shoebat know that I am one who wants nothing to do with modern day Christianity!]

      Oh Brother Walid, the irony! She says she’s not into modern day Christianity but yet she is part of the modern day movement which happened no less than 500 years ago.

      If indeed she is not part of modern day Christianity then she should be searching for the Ancient Church!

      This is just getting ridiculous and yet they refuse to see their own hypocrisy.

      • No matter what I tell Pam, she repeats the same lines. A case of ‘broken record’.

  • “there is one mediator between man and God – the man Jesus Christ!”

    Indeed. But I can also say there is one mediator between man and God – God Who is Jesus Christ!

    This too would be true. I can also say that your pastor intercedes too and he is a mediator between you and Jesus. Why else do you ask for intercessory prayers Pam?

    The disciples also interceded “Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained” (John 20:23).

    This verse says it all. So why do you take a verse and forget this one?

    So if we take your analogy to be true, then John 20:23 lies and you would make God a liar.

    Case closed. Forever. In no way shape or form can you denounce anything I have written here. It is IMPOSSIBLE.

    Yet you will keep repeating what you repeat till Kingdom come.

    This is what grasshoppers do. They chew and chew and chew.

    But Pam, you are not a grasshopper. You are a person.

    One can’t take one truth and discount other truths.



    Now what?

    Watch how you will repeat yourself. Like a broken record.

  • Raph Sebastian

    Jesus listened to Mary. If He did why aren’t you?

  • “This “forbidding to marry” and “abstaining from meats”. Tell us how Catholic “abstain from meats”?

    As I explained it was the Cathars. Look it up.

    Also, show me where scripture says that harlot is “Rome”?

    Also, share with us every verse in scripture that mention “Rome” literally. Any literal references to Rome is destruction?

    • Pam Fletcher

      You know the traditions of lent Friday’s and ash Wednesday’s that you can only eat fish! I had a practicing Catholic neighbor for yrs.
      Finally, You must know that God through the scriptures, had a habit of changing people’s name!
      Simon to Peter
      Saul to Paul
      Rome to mystery Babylon –oh did I say that? Yes I did!! With enthusiasm! The accurate description of Catholocism here, is undeniable! The sooner you denounce her and receive God’s word the better! Jesus said those who receive His Word, Him and His Father will come and make their Home with you!(Jhn.14:23,24). Walid I to define love as you do! Paul also wanted to cut the ground out from under the false apostles, so the truth would remain with us!(2Cor.11:12,13). So I tell you to Crucify the carnal man and all His reasonings, they are Gods enemies!(Rom.8:7). Paul said He died daily! Walid, you have been seated with Him in heavenly places and blessed with all spiritual blessings!(Eph.1:3) He wants you to know His words are trustworthy and true!(Rev.21:5).

      • Pam, prohibiting meat is completely going vegan. This is not fasting on Fridays.

        I asked you to show me “Rome” in a literal sense as mention in Scripture. You failed to answer a simple question for have you done that you would notice that “Rome” shall be called the “city of saints”.

        So I tell you Pam to Crucify the carnal man and all His reasonings, they are Gods enemies!(Rom.8:7).

        You are not using the scripture. I do not see a single verse from you regarding mystery Babylon which John tells us is in a “desert” “he took me to a desert” John says. This is not Rome. Isaiah tells us in chapter 21 its “Arabia”. Have you read Isaiah 21?

        Now, in your next comment I would expect you tells us what Isaiah 21 is all about.

  • Raph Sebastian

    Indeed satan is the father of chaos, division, protest, disobedience, confusion, hatred , invincible arrogance and pride. Why do you think he influenced Luther to come up with his “95 theses” and the Protestant heresy?

    Indeed Jesus warned us of Luther, Zwingli, McArthur, Eddy, the Wesleys, John Smyth, John Smith, LaHaye, Hagee, Hebrew Roots freakshow “leaders”, Luz del Mundo, Iglesia ni Cristo etc etc all chalatans and false prophets who have not only divided the Body of Christ but also put that holy body through thr grinder causing 40000 divisions of the truth!

  • Raph Sebastian

    He did tempt the Lord but He didn’t act on the temptation. There is a huge glaring difference in your argument. JESUS LISTENED AND ACTED AS HIS MOTHER ASKED!

    You thonk you have truth. I know there is only one truth and it’s not the Protestant heresy. That leaves the Christianity that was practiced from the times of the Apostles. No where in all of Protestantism can you find one church where their remains are interred.

    If that is not proof enough that the Catholic Church is the Ancient Church then at least be honest and name me where you worship and I will tell you who founded your brand of “Christianity”.

    If you for one minute believed that Jesus was a Jew, then surely He would have followed the 10 Commandments and honored His mother.

    Imagine that awkward moment when your judgment comes when He asks, “Why did you say those things about my mother?”

    Wrong interpretation of Revelation, try not to be a broken record and repeat the slanders of people like Hunt and company.

    Denominations are man made. The Catholic Church is gounded by the LORD you need to come out of soup du jour, make it up as you go and wing it false man made heresies.

    Next I am afraid you’d be spouting off about suddenly being whisked away into the clouds leaving piles of clothes and crashed vehicles!

  • Raph Sebastian

    Where does it say in the bible that salvation comes through faith?

    • Pam Fletcher

      Eph.2:8! I highly recommend you climb aboard!!

      • Raph Sebastian

        Nope it doesn’t. I suggest you drop that interpretation for what it truly mrans. Faith alone is never taught in authentic Christisnity.

  • Raph Sebastian

    No just who and how he influences those that turn away from truth and those who set up ” churches ” then claim to be of God.

  • Raph Sebastian

    Of course idiots like you will believe that.

  • I asked you to show me “Rome” in a literal sense as mention in Scripture. You failed to answer a simple question for have you done that you would notice that “Rome” shall be called the “city of saints”.

    Have you done this? No. Why?

  • Stop right there Pam. I asked you to explain Isaiah 21. Where is that explanation?

    “Now, in your next comment I would expect you tells us what Isaiah 21 is all about.”

    STOP skipping.

  • Raph Sebastian

    What nonsense! If He didn’t have His authority until His death then He could not give life to the dead, heal the sick, give sight to the blind, make the lepers clean, cast out demons, change water into wine etc etc etc.

    He is God in the flesh, he is The Incarnation of God. This is why you need to come out of Protestantism and come home to the only truth, your pastors are teaching you falsities. What you are saying is exactly what Arius said and received a beating from the real , Santa Claus, St. Nicholas of Smyrna.

    You are spreading the Arian heresy with your nonsense of Jesus not having any authority until His death or worse that HE is just a man.

  • Raph Sebastian

    Perfect example of failed self interpretation.

  • You’re not thorough at all. Isaiah 21 calls this place “Babylon is fallen is fallen” and it refers to Arabia. You missed everything.

  • Raph Sebastian

    I think you don’t even know the amount of blasphemy you have typed. Jesus is FULLY GOD and FULLY Man. He is the Incarnation of God! God made flesh if you do not know what incarnation means. You make as if the Trinity are parts, which is a blatant error bordering on a further unforgivable blasphemy, there are no parts..the Holy Trinity is ONE. Jesus is GOD had all His Almighty powers and authority from the beginning, still had his authority at His birth, at His Passion, at His death and at His resurrection. Nothing changed even as He went through processes of growing up, of travelling, of teaching and of being persecuted.

    This is what that is lacking obviously in your bastardized version that your charlatan pastors teach you. You make Jesus as if He was like you when clearly He was not.

    There is NO SUCH THING as infilling of the Holy Spirit upon Jesus. Only mortal men baptized are infilled with the Holy Spirit unless you are saying Jesus is a mere mortal man. Is that what you are saying? Then you repeat the Arian heresy on top of your Protestant heretical teachings.

    Why would anyone listen to words that are not Christ’s? Then throw out the Letters of St Paul which is the Gospel because most of them were his own words teaching the Corinthians, Romans, Ephesians etc to Timothy etc etc and keep only the words that are in red that Christ said.

    Luther did just that, he even tried to remove James and Revelation, it doesn’t surprise me that you would argue the same way as Luther did.

    Sadly you dependence on the English version of the bible has compromised you. You quote verses out of context and then try to insert meanings that were never there. You will not read this link and it seems like you did not read all the other replies in full. The below is something your pastors are so afraid that you read, the actual Gospel being explained with English words for the Greek. You won’t read this anyway. I waste my time.

  • Raph Sebastian

    The Blessed Mother of God has not taught anyone anything other than being the lowly handmaid of God. She who said yes to God so that the Savior may come into this world, has got nothing to do with salvation I suppose in your mind. Humility, to accept God’s will, to know and see her Son suffer etc etc teaches you nothing.

    As a woman, you cannot even understand these matters? Really? Has she really taught you nothing?

  • RAPH: Where does it say in the bible that salvation comes through faith?

    PAM: “Eph.2:8! I highly recommend you climb aboard!!”

    RAPH: “Nope it doesn’t.”

    PAM: “By Grace we have been saved”


    Pam, its by GRACE through FAITH

    Grasshoppers always use half scriptures. I highly recommend YOU climb aboard.

    • Raph Sebastian

      Exactly dear grace through faith, these people will always shout by faith faith alone…when NO WHERE in scripture does it say that.

      Then accuse us of having man made traditions when clearly Catholics follow the scripture but Protestants DO NOT, especially the Baptists, they follow the traditions of men.

  • Raph Sebastian

    Sorry but you once again twist scripture to fit your narrative, i.e. the Protestant narrative. No where in all of scripture does it say you are saved by faith alone. The word “alone” was inserted by Luther.

    James 2:24 “As you can see, a man is justified by his deeds and not by faith alone.” Blows Luther and your argument out of the water, this is why Luther wanted to remove the whole Epistle of James and like you, you twist.

    You care not of the warning in 1 Peter 3:16 in reference to St. Paul, Peter warned..”speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures. You twist Galatians and Romans when you argue the way you do, because you do not know the circumstance in which St. Paul was in when he said these words.

    If you were a Jew you had to do the works of the law all 613 laws, you had to obey all the laws and ceremonial laws, these are the works of the law, not your way of interpretation, once again your tradition never teaches you context and the language it was written in. You continue to quote in English without knowing the meaning. This is exactly what twisting of scripture means.

    So now I follow what is taught by men? Sorry to break this to you, it is you who follow the traditions of men, while all Catholics follow the scripture and what the Church teaches.

    Once again, I repeat, show me where in all of scripture does it say, “you are saved by faith “ALONE”?

    There is one place in the bible where” faith” and “alone” are in the bible. James 2:24!

    In fact Romans

  • Raph Sebastian

    Fail! So where does it say faith alone?

  • Raph Sebastian

    Why change the subject?

  • Raph Sebastian

    Get some help. Obvoiusly yu refer sander to facts. You can’t even show me where faith alone exists in the bible and I’m supposed to believe you slanderous self interpretion of Scripture.

    Walid is right you are a broken record, you keep saying the same thing despite all your “arguments” being refuted. But this won’t change you. You are steeped into Luther’s heresy you argue like him and are comfortable wallowing in it as your pastors feed you with swill which you then regurgitate as if it was truth.

    Remember what St. Peter said about those who twist scripture. That awkward moment for you is fast approaching where you will be asked at your judgment why do you say such things about the LORD’s mother and His Church.

  • Raph Sebastian

    From the Letter of St. Paul to the Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God—.

    You add words to scripture and will face the consequences. NO WHERE IN ALL OF SCRIPTURE DOES “faith alone” appear or is any one taught that faith alone saves you. This is a blasphemy taught by charlatans.

    The only time it seems to appear is in James 2: 24 As you can see, a man is justified by his deeds and not by faith alone.

    You have heard His Apostles as He taught them, today. Come out of the heresy of Protestantism, stop protesting against the Church Jesus founded, stop your disobedience to Him and stop following men.

  • Raph Sebastian

    Yet you do NOT TAKE HIM in His words be it final or other wise. There is no such thing as faith alone, that would contradict the whole of scripture, FAITH ALONE is UNBIBLICAL, despite your protestations and weak attempts at scripture twisting, you cannot produce one shred of evidence.

    Last chance, if you are a “bible believing” person show me where “faith” and “alone” is in the bible. Just these two word next to each other in that order.